WEBVTT - Identify and Overcome Idolatry 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:04.360 Coming to you from the Morning Star Mission sponsored studio. 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:09.040 This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio. All right, 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:12.560 I'm going to prove something here. Super die. What's one 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:18.560 of your favorite not not secular tunes that just comes 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:20.119 to your mind that you just love? 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:22.520 Oh my goodness. Secular tunes. 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:22.880 Come on. 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:25.680 Come on. Just just pick one. Just pick one. Anything 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:26.360 by U2. 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:30.600 Okay, so pick one by U2. What? Which one is. 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:33.240 It? Um. Still haven't found what I'm looking for. 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:36.200 Yeah. That's great. So give me some of the lyrics 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:38.880 to that. You don't have to sing it, but give me. 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:39.879 Give me some of the lyrics. 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:42.320 Oh, you're putting me on the spot. Yeah. Uh, just 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:45.760 I can't, I can't I'm sorry. I'm. I'm totally stumped. 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:46.120 Great. 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:46.760 So, yeah. 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:49.080 This is absolutely ruining my whole. 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:50.240 And I apologize. 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:50.919 I can help with this. 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:53.479 The fear of the moment. All right, go ahead, young thunder. 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:55.080 Uh, Hall and Oates. Maneater. 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:56.440 All right, give me the lyrics. 0:00:56.480 --> 0:01:01.790 Oh, here she comes. Watch out, boy, she'll chew you up. Oh, 0:01:02.150 --> 0:01:04.910 here she comes. She's a maneater. 0:01:05.069 --> 0:01:06.630 Do you know any more of the song? Give me 0:01:06.630 --> 0:01:07.350 some more lyrics. 0:01:07.390 --> 0:01:11.510 Uh, man. No, not on that one. But do you 0:01:11.510 --> 0:01:13.430 want another song with. With other lyrics? 0:01:13.470 --> 0:01:15.510 Yeah. Give me, give me another song. Some more lyrics. 0:01:15.550 --> 0:01:17.030 Honesty. Billy Joel. 0:01:17.069 --> 0:01:19.670 All right. Just. Just kind of voice. Slash. Sing them. 0:01:19.670 --> 0:01:20.069 Go ahead. 0:01:20.110 --> 0:01:24.510 Honesty is such a lonely word. Everyone is so untrue. 0:01:24.790 --> 0:01:28.470 Honesty is hardly ever heard. But it's mostly what I 0:01:28.470 --> 0:01:29.630 need from you. 0:01:29.990 --> 0:01:32.830 Yeah, you did good. I mean, the pressure here is hard. 0:01:32.870 --> 0:01:33.949 Super dive now. 0:01:34.150 --> 0:01:34.630 Coming to you. 0:01:34.670 --> 0:01:35.670 Now that you relaxed. 0:01:35.709 --> 0:01:36.190 A little bit. 0:01:36.230 --> 0:01:36.630 Yes. Okay. 0:01:36.630 --> 0:01:39.830 Go ahead. Okay. All right. Breathe, breathe. I know breathing. 0:01:39.830 --> 0:01:40.270 She's breathing. 0:01:40.270 --> 0:01:42.870 She's not new to radio. But radio can make you wiggy. 0:01:42.910 --> 0:01:43.630 It can, it can. 0:01:44.910 --> 0:01:46.590 It can seize you up. All right, go ahead. 0:01:46.990 --> 0:01:49.430 I have climbed the highest mountains. I have run through 0:01:49.430 --> 0:01:53.350 the fields only to be with you. I've scaled city walls, 0:01:53.750 --> 0:01:56.310 these city walls again. Only to be with you. But 0:01:56.310 --> 0:01:58.850 I still haven't found what I'm looking for. 0:01:58.850 --> 0:01:59.530 I'm looking for. 0:01:59.530 --> 0:02:01.330 Still haven't found. 0:02:01.450 --> 0:02:01.610 Yeah. 0:02:01.650 --> 0:02:03.570 It's a good song I'm looking for. Yeah. 0:02:03.810 --> 0:02:07.650 That's. Yeah. Okay, so here's the thing. I'm proving to 0:02:07.650 --> 0:02:09.169 you the power of music, right? 0:02:09.490 --> 0:02:10.050 Yes. 0:02:10.250 --> 0:02:13.690 No doubt. It's amazing if you can't memorize a verse, 0:02:13.730 --> 0:02:15.650 put a song to it, and you're probably going to 0:02:15.650 --> 0:02:16.130 do it. 0:02:16.490 --> 0:02:19.370 Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And there's some songs that when I 0:02:19.370 --> 0:02:20.650 try to think of the lyrics, I'm like, oh, I 0:02:20.650 --> 0:02:22.570 don't know how that goes. But then the tune starts 0:02:22.570 --> 0:02:24.890 playing and it all just starts coming out and I'm like. 0:02:25.169 --> 0:02:26.770 Oh, you think you know the lyrics? And it's like, 0:02:26.770 --> 0:02:29.010 oh no, that's not the lyric. 0:02:29.330 --> 0:02:30.290 That happens to. 0:02:31.210 --> 0:02:34.210 All right, somebody come on here right now and sing 0:02:34.250 --> 0:02:37.210 your favorite song without a cheat sheet in front of 0:02:37.210 --> 0:02:39.610 you right now. Come on. And it's got to be 0:02:39.610 --> 0:02:43.130 a secular song. Come on right now. 800, 500. No, 0:02:43.130 --> 0:02:51.930 not 800, 500, 800, 555, 78, 98, 805 five, five, 78, 98. 0:02:51.930 --> 0:02:54.290 Somebody come online right now and sing your favorite song. 0:02:55.090 --> 0:02:57.560 There's a Carl prize pack here, and I don't want 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:00.320 you to sing much because we can't handle that. But 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:02.440 we'll take a few phrases. That's all you got to 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:04.760 do is a few phrases. You get a prize back. 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:10.160 I'm proving something to you here. 800 555. 78. 98. 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:15.440 Light em up. Come on, let's go. 805. Five. Five. 78. 98. 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:23.240 Your favorite tune. Secular tune. 800 555 78. 98. Wow. 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:24.440 This could be a lot of fun. 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:26.040 I was waiting for you to sing. Carl. 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.480 No, no no no. Like I say, man, I can 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:31.800 make a joyful noise. But singing something else. 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:36.800 She's a choreographer extraordinaire. And everything is Greek to her. 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:40.960 Super die is in the crew. It's Carl and crew 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:42.240 on Moody Radio. 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:45.920 Okay. Setting up a point here. This is a powerful point. 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:49.880 You look at the Psalms and my goodness, you got 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:54.310 chapter after chapter, or really song after song iterated there. 0:03:54.350 --> 0:03:58.990 It's pretty cool. Okay. Getting a couple of singers in here. Ruth, 0:03:59.030 --> 0:04:00.950 give me a song. What do you got that you 0:04:00.950 --> 0:04:02.830 don't even need a cheat sheet for? You just got 0:04:02.830 --> 0:04:04.670 it on your heart. What is it? Give me a couple. 0:04:05.030 --> 0:04:06.630 Climb, climb every mountain. 0:04:06.670 --> 0:04:10.670 All right. Give me a few mountain. 0:04:11.350 --> 0:04:24.830 For every stream. For every byway. Till you find your dreams. 0:04:24.870 --> 0:04:27.750 All right, Ruth, see there? See there, right there. Stay 0:04:27.750 --> 0:04:29.950 on the horn. You're going to get a choral and 0:04:29.950 --> 0:04:31.590 crew prize pack. Proving a point here. 0:04:31.630 --> 0:04:31.950 Hang on. 0:04:32.310 --> 0:04:35.150 Hang on. Uh, Paul, Oak Grove, what do you got, Paul? 0:04:36.510 --> 0:04:38.590 Chantilly lace by the Big Bopper. 0:04:38.630 --> 0:04:39.750 Oh, give me a little bit. 0:04:39.790 --> 0:04:44.990 Chantilly lace and a pretty face and a ponytail hanging down. 0:04:44.990 --> 0:04:47.350 A wiggle in the walk and a giggle in the talk. 0:04:47.390 --> 0:04:50.710 Lord makes the world go round, round, round. There ain't 0:04:50.710 --> 0:04:53.010 nothing in the world like a big eyed girl with 0:04:53.010 --> 0:04:56.450 big Axel. Make me spend my money. Make me feel 0:04:56.450 --> 0:04:59.730 real loose like a long neck goose. Like a girl. Oh, baby, 0:04:59.730 --> 0:05:01.090 that's what I like. 0:05:01.130 --> 0:05:03.010 All right. Come on, man. 0:05:03.050 --> 0:05:05.089 Yeah, the mustard and everything on that one. 0:05:05.930 --> 0:05:08.170 Paul, stay on the horn. You're getting Carl and crew. 0:05:08.170 --> 0:05:13.770 Prize pack. Chantilly lace. Oh, my goodness. All right, so 0:05:13.770 --> 0:05:20.570 here's the point. The power of worship music is profound. 0:05:22.130 --> 0:05:23.170 That was the point. 0:05:23.290 --> 0:05:23.970 Yes. 0:05:24.690 --> 0:05:25.250 Wow. 0:05:25.529 --> 0:05:30.609 Here's why. Look at how readily those lyrics come to mind. 0:05:30.650 --> 0:05:31.330 That's right. 0:05:32.370 --> 0:05:36.729 And this is why music is such a central part 0:05:36.730 --> 0:05:42.130 of worship services. And going down the road. And when 0:05:42.130 --> 0:05:45.330 you're down, sometimes more than a verse coming to mind, 0:05:45.370 --> 0:05:49.970 a verse put to music comes to mind and that 0:05:49.970 --> 0:05:56.120 will lift your soul. Do we underestimate the power of music? 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:58.000 I think we do. Boy, I got a special guest 0:05:58.000 --> 0:05:59.840 coming in here in just a few minutes. Who's going 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:02.960 to blow that notion out of the water? Because he 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:10.239 has been absolutely in the pocket for decades, writing music 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:12.839 that's been impacting lives. Hang on. 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:15.799 She was trying to earn her way to God, but 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:19.320 God showed her she didn't have to. Ali is in 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:22.680 the crew. It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio. 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:25.560 One of my heroes is with me today. 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:31.159 Boy, you know how to start an interview. Carl. Hey, Gloria. 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:32.320 Did you hear that? 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:36.200 Yeah. You got to get your wife in to listen 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:40.600 to this. Bill gates is here with us, guys, and 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:42.280 I want to. I want to thank you. I got 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.279 to just stop here and tell you this right now. 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:47.080 Bill Gaither, for those of you that are listening, are 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:50.660 tuned in going. Bill Gaither. Some of you. It's like, 0:06:50.660 --> 0:06:54.580 who is that for vast swaths of you? You're saying, 0:06:54.580 --> 0:06:58.060 I know that, man. It's a funny thing, Bill, because 0:06:58.100 --> 0:07:00.500 we're you know, we do ministry for a lot of 0:07:00.500 --> 0:07:02.860 years and you've been in the trenches now for how 0:07:02.860 --> 0:07:05.020 many decades? Doing music, my man? 0:07:05.339 --> 0:07:11.260 Oh, probably probably six. I'm 89 Friday. So when I 0:07:11.260 --> 0:07:15.780 was 16, 17, I was out with my sister, my brother, 0:07:15.980 --> 0:07:20.020 and we were singing in every little nook and cranny 0:07:20.060 --> 0:07:23.180 in central Indiana. And every time I talk to a 0:07:23.180 --> 0:07:26.100 young artist and they'll say, can I get some advice? 0:07:26.140 --> 0:07:28.460 I said, sure, and they say, how do we get started? 0:07:28.460 --> 0:07:31.220 I said, right where you are. My next question is, 0:07:31.220 --> 0:07:32.540 do they ask you back? 0:07:34.140 --> 0:07:37.060 Bill Gaither, you are something else. You know what? I 0:07:37.060 --> 0:07:40.260 want to just stop here and celebrate. He goes all 0:07:40.260 --> 0:07:43.060 the way back to the sons of Korah, who, by 0:07:43.060 --> 0:07:47.810 the way, 18 generations after they saw the father Cora 0:07:47.810 --> 0:07:51.050 himself gobbled up in rebellion. These became some of the 0:07:51.050 --> 0:07:55.570 lead worship leaders that for 18 generations they didn't neglect 0:07:55.570 --> 0:07:59.690 bringing songs before God. You know, I think we've just 0:07:59.690 --> 0:08:03.170 taken for granted the power of music to lift souls. 0:08:03.170 --> 0:08:05.410 I don't even think we talk about it enough. Bill, 0:08:05.410 --> 0:08:06.770 why don't you speak to that? 0:08:07.210 --> 0:08:11.250 I kid my my theological friends and my preacher friends. 0:08:11.410 --> 0:08:14.330 I say, you know, in the end, we poets are 0:08:14.330 --> 0:08:19.770 going to win. Because if you can rhyme it, I mean, 0:08:19.810 --> 0:08:21.810 you know, when you get in a hole, you think 0:08:21.810 --> 0:08:26.130 back and say many things about tomorrow. I don't seem 0:08:26.130 --> 0:08:30.050 to understand, but I know who holds tomorrow. Yeah, and 0:08:30.050 --> 0:08:33.490 I know who holds my hand. Now, that's not scripture, 0:08:33.730 --> 0:08:37.850 but it's based solidly, you know, in so many scriptures. 0:08:37.890 --> 0:08:38.850 Absolutely. 0:08:38.890 --> 0:08:41.610 That we are in good hands. And so, to answer 0:08:41.610 --> 0:08:45.880 your question, Carl, Gloria and I both love theology. And 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:49.120 I hope our songs are biblically based, and that it's 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:52.520 just a wonderful way to put a handle on important 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:55.800 scriptures like the first commandment there shall be no other 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:59.000 gods before me. And we have a song that says, 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:02.479 I'll worship only at the feet of Jesus, his cup alone. 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:07.280 My holy Grail. There'll be no other gods before me. 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:11.760 Just Jesus only will never fail. And we can take 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:16.280 major truths and bury them in the middle of a song. 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:20.880 And Corrie ten Boom said in some of her toughest times, 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:23.800 she said A little verse of a song would come 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:28.160 to me, you know, and our minds are like a computer. 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.720 What we put into it makes all the difference in 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:31.120 the world. 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.040 And putting song into it is powerful. Bill Gaither is 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:38.199 my guest right now. He's married to Gloria Gaither and 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:41.320 they've been a dynamic duo for so many years. I 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:44.939 got to talk with you about because he lives and 0:09:44.940 --> 0:09:48.140 the King is coming. My goodness, I was a little guy, 0:09:48.179 --> 0:09:51.500 wasn't following Jesus yet. Got saved in my early 20s. 0:09:51.820 --> 0:09:54.500 But there was something. Even as I look back as 0:09:54.500 --> 0:09:58.100 a young boy in church, hearing because he lives. What 0:09:58.100 --> 0:10:03.100 makes that song so powerful? Bill, what does it say? 0:10:03.140 --> 0:10:06.819 Carl I think when writers write songs, we don't ever know. 0:10:07.140 --> 0:10:10.340 And I can remember we had already written He Touched 0:10:10.340 --> 0:10:14.540 me and something about that name. Something beautiful. And probably 0:10:14.580 --> 0:10:16.900 we wrote The King is Coming. And because he lives 0:10:16.900 --> 0:10:20.340 maybe about the same time. Okay. But God has a 0:10:20.340 --> 0:10:24.660 way of taking what we do and multiplying it. We 0:10:24.660 --> 0:10:27.540 bring what we bring. And I can remember after we 0:10:27.540 --> 0:10:30.260 wrote it, I said, I think it's good. I don't 0:10:30.260 --> 0:10:33.699 know how good it is, but I got to tell you, 0:10:33.740 --> 0:10:36.980 50 years later, I mean, it's been translated into so 0:10:36.980 --> 0:10:40.660 many different languages, and we're overwhelmed when we hear the. 0:10:40.900 --> 0:10:44.290 And we went to Brazil maybe about ten years ago 0:10:44.490 --> 0:10:48.370 and started singing because he lives 8000 people, and all 0:10:48.370 --> 0:10:51.449 of a sudden we couldn't hear ourselves singing because the 0:10:51.490 --> 0:10:52.770 8000 folks. 0:10:52.809 --> 0:10:53.610 I get chills. 0:10:53.650 --> 0:10:56.650 Took it over in Portuguese and sang it back to us. 0:10:56.690 --> 0:10:59.850 You know, it's then you say that song is not mine. 0:10:59.890 --> 0:11:01.450 That you know that belongs to the Lord. 0:11:01.570 --> 0:11:04.330 What are you most astounded by over your years of 0:11:04.330 --> 0:11:08.570 following Jesus? You've obviously seen the father, son, and Holy 0:11:08.570 --> 0:11:12.090 Spirit at work in your life, and he's used music 0:11:12.090 --> 0:11:16.050 powerfully that way. What most astounds you about the power 0:11:16.050 --> 0:11:18.290 of God to change Bill Gaither? 0:11:18.650 --> 0:11:21.890 I think the scripture in James that says, life is 0:11:21.890 --> 0:11:25.329 but a vapor here today, and it's gone so quickly. 0:11:25.450 --> 0:11:28.450 And my dad, I think, helped me more than anything 0:11:28.490 --> 0:11:31.410 as a kid when he would say things like, Bill, 0:11:31.730 --> 0:11:34.610 this is not the rehearsal. This is the real thing. 0:11:35.290 --> 0:11:38.410 And I think I looked at the good and the 0:11:38.410 --> 0:11:41.480 bad of how people would live lives, and many of 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.120 them either lived in the past or in the future. 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:48.839 Very few, and sometimes even followers of Jesus would live 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:52.680 in the now. And you know, in this day, and 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:56.360 I think the thing that gripped us pretty quickly was 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.880 the moment we had this moment to hold in our 0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:03.560 hands and to touch as it slips through our fingers 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:08.280 like sand. Yesterday is gone. Tomorrow may never come. But 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:10.720 we have this moment today. And I would say this 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.680 to all the listeners. There are moody an hour history 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:16.319 with Moody goes clear back 50 years ago when we 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:20.160 first started. I can still remember the concerts in that 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.960 big old church downtown Chicago. But I would say to 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:26.200 all of our moody listeners, this is the day the 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:29.160 Lord hath made, and we need to rejoice and be 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.959 glad in it and drain it for all it's worth. 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:35.480 Live it to its fullest. And I look back on 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:38.160 these 63 years of glory. And I have been married 0:12:38.260 --> 0:12:42.140 now and it's not been without struggles just like any 0:12:42.140 --> 0:12:45.380 other life. But the joy is still in the journey, 0:12:45.420 --> 0:12:47.140 both the good and the bad. 0:12:47.460 --> 0:12:49.620 All right, Bill, I got one more question for you here. 0:12:49.620 --> 0:12:52.940 And this is an important one. You're a joyful man. 0:12:53.100 --> 0:12:55.339 What do you do when your heart gets down? 0:12:56.260 --> 0:12:58.780 I don't know if anybody enjoys life all kind of 0:12:58.780 --> 0:13:01.660 life any more than I do. What do I do 0:13:01.660 --> 0:13:05.020 when I get down? Usually I sing. You know, I 0:13:05.059 --> 0:13:07.860 sing because I'm happy. I sing because his eye is 0:13:07.860 --> 0:13:10.220 on the sparrow. And I know he watches me. 0:13:10.260 --> 0:13:13.780 Well, interesting. Bill. Bill Gaither, my guest. Right now. The 0:13:13.780 --> 0:13:17.020 king is coming. What's your take? I know you probably 0:13:17.020 --> 0:13:21.020 don't want to postulate too much on this one, but 0:13:21.020 --> 0:13:24.100 you've seen a lot of living, and we see what's 0:13:24.100 --> 0:13:26.860 going on in the Middle East. And there's a big 0:13:27.020 --> 0:13:31.420 song of revival springing up around every nation, tribe and tongue. 0:13:31.940 --> 0:13:35.459 It seems like the King is coming soon here, Bill. 0:13:36.020 --> 0:13:38.490 And a given concert. We can't sing all of our 0:13:38.490 --> 0:13:41.450 big songs because it's just too many high notes. But 0:13:43.050 --> 0:13:45.250 I mean, we do sing because they do sing. He 0:13:45.250 --> 0:13:47.929 touched me and we do sing. The King is coming sometimes, 0:13:47.929 --> 0:13:51.410 not all on the same night, but anytime we pull 0:13:51.410 --> 0:13:54.490 that song out, that seems to hit a new nerve 0:13:54.490 --> 0:13:56.050 with people these days. 0:13:56.210 --> 0:13:56.570 Yeah. 0:13:56.610 --> 0:14:00.610 You know, and we love to sing it. And for everybody, 0:14:00.610 --> 0:14:03.250 I suppose they have to fill in the blank as 0:14:03.250 --> 0:14:06.410 to what are the things that are getting, you know, 0:14:06.450 --> 0:14:09.850 are getting their attention. I got to come back to, uh, 0:14:09.850 --> 0:14:13.730 our basic philosophy and theology has driven us from the beginning. 0:14:13.890 --> 0:14:16.370 Life is a vapor. It is here today, and it's 0:14:16.370 --> 0:14:20.010 gone so quickly. The first song we sing every night 0:14:20.050 --> 0:14:23.290 is I'm going to love like I'm leaving. Laughing till 0:14:23.290 --> 0:14:26.290 it takes my breath away. I'm going to say what 0:14:26.290 --> 0:14:29.890 needs saying. Pray what need. Praying I'm going to love. 0:14:30.090 --> 0:14:33.570 Like I'm leaving here today. And the King is coming. 0:14:33.610 --> 0:14:36.200 Could be today, could be tomorrow. It could be a 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:37.800 lot sooner than any of us think. 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:40.680 Yeah. Bill Gaither, I got to tell you, you are 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:46.720 a blessing. You've inspired myself in so many millions of disciples. 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:50.120 And one day we're going to be singing around the 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:53.800 throne room of God. And I can't wait to be 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:55.920 standing there beside you. I'm going to make sure I 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.880 get right up alongside you to try to harmonize. Okay? 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.680 You're more than welcome. And I tell you what the 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:04.640 good part about that. Everybody's going to be in tune 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:05.240 that day. 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:06.920 It's going to be that's. 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.600 It's going to be perfect. And I wasn't saying that 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:11.960 because I've not heard you sing. 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:13.800 No, no, no, I need it, I need it. I'm 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:15.840 willing to say it. I can carry a tune, but 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:18.240 harmonies are disaster for me. That's why I say I 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:21.160 get to harmonize in glory. Bill Gaither, thank you. And 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:24.920 we've got a link boom crew. Because this man is 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:29.880 still on fire. There are special Easter programmings and we 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.280 want to link you up with them. All you got 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:37.780 to do is text the word bill to 800 555 7898. 0:15:37.820 --> 0:15:41.580 Just text Bill and you're going to find programming that 0:15:41.580 --> 0:15:47.420 is going to inspire during this Easter season. Text bill 0:15:47.460 --> 0:15:51.380 to 800 555 7898. 0:15:51.460 --> 0:15:53.940 Let me leave you with one little story. A new 0:15:53.940 --> 0:15:56.660 usher at a church. Ask an older lady, where do 0:15:56.660 --> 0:15:59.180 you want to sit? She said, I want to sit 0:15:59.180 --> 0:16:01.460 on the front row. He said, I'll take you down there. 0:16:01.460 --> 0:16:04.260 But I got to warn you, our pastor is pretty boring. 0:16:04.300 --> 0:16:07.220 She says, young man, do you know who I am? 0:16:07.260 --> 0:16:09.780 She said, no, I'm the pastor's mother. He looked at 0:16:09.780 --> 0:16:13.300 her and said, do you know who I am? She said, no. 0:16:13.460 --> 0:16:14.900 He said, good. 0:16:20.380 --> 0:16:25.980 Oh, oh, you made my day. Bill gates for everybody. Oh. 0:16:26.580 --> 0:16:28.300 God bless you, buddy. Have a good one. 0:16:28.540 --> 0:16:31.260 You can take him out of Alaska, but you can't 0:16:31.370 --> 0:16:35.170 take Alaska out of him. Carl is in the crew. 0:16:35.370 --> 0:16:37.930 It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio. 0:16:38.290 --> 0:16:42.650 We are messengers. Wholehearted and wholehearted is exactly what God wants. 0:16:42.690 --> 0:16:44.650 We find in the book of James. Don't let a 0:16:44.650 --> 0:16:47.850 double minded man believe he will receive anything from the Lord. 0:16:47.850 --> 0:16:52.050 That term is best translated double souled. That just means 0:16:52.050 --> 0:16:55.290 that we've got a divided allegiance, and divided allegiance is 0:16:55.330 --> 0:16:58.250 a constant battle that we're going to face as Christ's followers. 0:16:58.250 --> 0:17:00.930 But let me be really clear here. The root of 0:17:00.930 --> 0:17:04.609 all our sins is that something or someone is taking 0:17:04.609 --> 0:17:07.570 the place of God. And I just want to give 0:17:07.570 --> 0:17:10.209 you a little guide to think through this. If you 0:17:10.210 --> 0:17:13.290 look at the sin of pride, our highest authority is 0:17:13.290 --> 0:17:17.570 not God. It's. It's actually self. Gluttony is satisfaction apart 0:17:17.570 --> 0:17:22.330 from God. Greed is discontent with the generosity of God. 0:17:22.890 --> 0:17:28.330 Hoarding is security not found in God. Lust is gratification 0:17:28.369 --> 0:17:32.550 apart from God. Envy is contentment, not found in God. 0:17:32.590 --> 0:17:36.990 Cowardice is fear of man more than God. And laziness 0:17:36.990 --> 0:17:39.950 or being a sluggard is just lacking the wisdom of God. 0:17:41.590 --> 0:17:44.350 So I want to take you back to a story 0:17:44.869 --> 0:17:48.150 that I just had from yesterday. Had a conference call. 0:17:48.350 --> 0:17:50.550 Kind of. It wasn't even a counseling session. It was 0:17:50.550 --> 0:17:53.830 just an encouragement time, because a friend of mine from 0:17:53.830 --> 0:17:56.110 many years ago was handed a book from another friend 0:17:56.109 --> 0:17:58.550 of mine called Killing Sin, a book that I wrote 0:17:58.550 --> 0:18:00.590 here recently. And this is one of the most encouraging 0:18:00.590 --> 0:18:04.949 stories that I've heard. She was expressing that her and 0:18:04.950 --> 0:18:09.030 her husband were feeling all kinds of stress related to 0:18:09.070 --> 0:18:12.710 a venture that they had picked up that they really 0:18:12.710 --> 0:18:15.950 felt was given to him by God. And in retrospect, 0:18:15.950 --> 0:18:19.470 it was. But what it turned into was something that 0:18:19.470 --> 0:18:23.030 was put in extraordinary, extraordinary amount of pressure on them 0:18:23.030 --> 0:18:25.950 to perform. As a matter of fact, I can veil 0:18:25.950 --> 0:18:27.990 this a little bit so that no one would know 0:18:28.100 --> 0:18:32.180 who I'm speaking of here, but it was a it 0:18:32.180 --> 0:18:37.619 was a outdoor adventure experience that turned and very exclusive, 0:18:38.260 --> 0:18:43.620 that turned into this heavy ball and chain. And as 0:18:43.619 --> 0:18:46.340 she spoke, she began to pour out her heart, saying 0:18:47.060 --> 0:18:50.500 that the survival of this very thing that God gave 0:18:50.500 --> 0:18:54.219 them as a gift became such an epic kind of 0:18:54.260 --> 0:18:58.260 front of mind thing that soon they found or she 0:18:58.260 --> 0:19:02.820 was discovering, that their love and their joy that they 0:19:02.820 --> 0:19:05.940 had in their relationship with God as a couple and 0:19:05.940 --> 0:19:10.820 together was now long gone. And now everything in their 0:19:10.820 --> 0:19:14.780 life was consumed with sustaining this thing that was ultimately 0:19:14.780 --> 0:19:20.540 a gift from God. She was sitting by the ocean, 0:19:20.540 --> 0:19:25.020 looking out after she had just been landed, and still 0:19:25.020 --> 0:19:29.209 had the book killing Sin in her lap, and the 0:19:29.210 --> 0:19:34.050 Lord began to speak to her that this gift had 0:19:34.050 --> 0:19:39.130 become an idol. She didn't know how her husband would 0:19:39.130 --> 0:19:41.770 receive this, but he was on the phone with us 0:19:41.770 --> 0:19:45.850 yesterday as well. She went to him and said, honey, 0:19:46.490 --> 0:19:49.290 here's where I'm at. I feel like this thing that 0:19:49.290 --> 0:19:52.410 we got given by God, we've taken control of and 0:19:52.410 --> 0:19:55.090 we've we've tried to sustain it and make it in 0:19:55.090 --> 0:19:58.250 our own power, and it's causing us to even behave 0:19:58.250 --> 0:20:01.250 in ways. And she went on to say that she, 0:20:01.330 --> 0:20:04.369 because it's a high end kind of situation that they've 0:20:04.369 --> 0:20:08.690 been given by God, she started to act in ways 0:20:08.690 --> 0:20:12.369 that were inconsistent with how she's even designed start to 0:20:12.369 --> 0:20:15.369 wear clothes, in ways that she's are inconsistent with the 0:20:15.369 --> 0:20:19.530 way that she was designed. So she took it to 0:20:19.530 --> 0:20:23.490 her husband. And her husband said, I couldn't agree more. 0:20:25.310 --> 0:20:27.110 Now I was able to tell him, this is an 0:20:27.109 --> 0:20:31.230 awesome thing because when a husband and wife agree on something, 0:20:31.590 --> 0:20:34.950 you have got some power. It's one thing to have 0:20:34.950 --> 0:20:37.909 one person recognize something that is a joint effort between 0:20:37.910 --> 0:20:41.189 the two of you, or something that is clearly a 0:20:41.190 --> 0:20:45.710 problem for both of you. It's a challenge when one 0:20:45.710 --> 0:20:47.750 person sees it and the other one doesn't. But when 0:20:47.750 --> 0:20:50.470 both people see it, look out, Katie, bar the door. 0:20:52.390 --> 0:20:56.070 And this is what I shared with her. Number one, 0:20:56.070 --> 0:20:59.270 it's dynamite to identify that this has become an idol. 0:21:00.950 --> 0:21:04.310 Your next move is to do everything you can, in 0:21:04.310 --> 0:21:08.950 the spirit of Josiah, to remove that from a position 0:21:08.950 --> 0:21:12.670 of idolatry, no matter what it takes. Josiah went throughout 0:21:12.670 --> 0:21:15.030 the land at the age of 21, and he took 0:21:15.030 --> 0:21:18.470 all the idols of the land. He crushed them to powder. 0:21:18.910 --> 0:21:22.430 He did the same with the priests who were offering 0:21:22.540 --> 0:21:26.060 idols from the nation of Israel up to these false gods. 0:21:30.700 --> 0:21:32.780 And I went on to say, it's important, too, that 0:21:32.780 --> 0:21:35.220 you have people around you who you trust that you 0:21:35.260 --> 0:21:39.260 share this with, because well-meaning people will try to talk 0:21:39.300 --> 0:21:43.100 you out of the revelation God gives you at times. 0:21:43.260 --> 0:21:44.780 You ever notice that before, guys? 0:21:45.260 --> 0:21:47.780 Yeah, absolutely. Definitely. Are you sure you heard that right? 0:21:49.820 --> 0:21:55.260 And there will there will constantly be a bombardment on 0:21:55.260 --> 0:21:59.859 your soul. I shared with them that maybe you didn't 0:21:59.859 --> 0:22:03.060 hear from the Lord. So having these quiet times of 0:22:03.060 --> 0:22:06.420 introspection where you're allowing God to be the God of 0:22:06.420 --> 0:22:10.940 this venture that you have yet again will change everything. 0:22:12.580 --> 0:22:16.739 Funny thing is, they went on to share that they 0:22:16.780 --> 0:22:19.500 had shared this with some other family members, and the 0:22:19.500 --> 0:22:22.050 other family members had a kind of a rescue mode. 0:22:22.050 --> 0:22:24.810 We've got to keep without saying these words. We've got 0:22:24.810 --> 0:22:27.689 to keep this thing going. And they were kind of 0:22:27.730 --> 0:22:31.210 appealing for let's just keep this in its place of 0:22:31.210 --> 0:22:36.850 idolatry without saying that. And they were able to tell 0:22:36.850 --> 0:22:41.650 these family members that this generational thing of holding on 0:22:41.690 --> 0:22:45.490 to this by sheer grit is going to end right now. 0:22:45.850 --> 0:22:50.370 They were able to tell a family member, you're released 0:22:50.369 --> 0:22:53.449 from this, too. We're going to give this back to 0:22:53.490 --> 0:23:01.570 God fully. So I don't know what you have in 0:23:01.570 --> 0:23:05.090 your life that is keeping you from the abundant life 0:23:05.090 --> 0:23:09.530 that is found in Jesus. But I have learned over 0:23:09.530 --> 0:23:13.050 the years and from personal experience, I'm walking my own 0:23:13.050 --> 0:23:19.250 walk with Jesus. That a daily consecration before the Lord 0:23:19.350 --> 0:23:22.990 is the only remedy to not let idols into your life. 0:23:24.510 --> 0:23:26.550 And they come in so many forms. But the root 0:23:26.550 --> 0:23:30.070 of all our sin is that something or someone is 0:23:30.070 --> 0:23:34.949 taking the place of God. And I just want to 0:23:34.990 --> 0:23:41.710 ask you today, what is that something or someone that 0:23:41.710 --> 0:23:47.590 has taken the place of God in your life? I 0:23:47.590 --> 0:23:51.070 want you to think about that for a moment. You 0:23:51.070 --> 0:23:53.790 might say, well, Carl, how do I identify if something 0:23:53.790 --> 0:23:56.670 or someone is taking the place of God in my life? 0:23:58.070 --> 0:24:04.190 I truly believe if there isn't a conscious effort, which 0:24:04.190 --> 0:24:07.229 is a healthy effort, to keep this thing before the 0:24:07.230 --> 0:24:09.310 Lord and surrender it back to him and to put 0:24:09.310 --> 0:24:10.869 it at the foot of the cross, we could be 0:24:10.869 --> 0:24:14.150 in a real danger zone when our energy and our 0:24:14.150 --> 0:24:18.379 resources and what we say and what we do is 0:24:18.380 --> 0:24:23.540 consumed with keeping this idol alive, because we can't imagine 0:24:23.540 --> 0:24:27.619 what life would be without it in that position. We're 0:24:27.660 --> 0:24:33.620 in trouble and God wants to set you free. So 0:24:33.619 --> 0:24:37.140 I just want to ask you, what are you battling 0:24:37.140 --> 0:24:43.379 with today? What is that potential idol that is nudging 0:24:43.380 --> 0:24:47.220 out the one true and living God? Can ministry become 0:24:47.220 --> 0:24:52.660 an idol? Can I mean being a pastor become an idol? Yes, 0:24:52.660 --> 0:25:00.139 my friend, trust me. We can make idols out of anything. 0:25:02.820 --> 0:25:07.380 As has been said so many times, our hearts are 0:25:07.380 --> 0:25:11.540 idol factories. That's why we need to go into the 0:25:11.540 --> 0:25:14.180 inner reaches of our heart and go, God, search me, 0:25:14.180 --> 0:25:19.000 know me, try me. So coming up here, I'm going 0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:25.360 to talk very practically about how to get free from 0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:27.080 any idol in your life. 0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:31.080 Today he was sharing the gospel on the radio and 0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:35.439 then he got saved. Young thunders in the crew. It's 0:25:35.440 --> 0:25:37.560 Carl and crew on Moody Radio. 0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:45.560 Scripture is loaded with biblical guidance on how to put 0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:48.240 idols to death in our life so that we can live. 0:25:48.600 --> 0:25:50.800 I mean, it's loaded. So I'm going to give you 0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:54.119 the top three things that I see reoccurring themes throughout 0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:58.080 the Scripture. One confess it. If you got an idol 0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:01.080 in your life, I don't care what it is. Bring 0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:04.000 it out of the shadows and into the light. And 0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:08.000 how practically, practically does this work? You confess first to God, 0:26:08.520 --> 0:26:11.800 but then you go to others. There's power in breaking 0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:14.510 the back of Satan's power by just admitting. And by 0:26:14.510 --> 0:26:19.109 the way, this is only the courageous need apply for this. 0:26:19.109 --> 0:26:23.430 But this is how you walk free in Christ. See, 0:26:23.430 --> 0:26:25.790 the root of all our sins? Is that something or 0:26:25.790 --> 0:26:28.390 someone is taking the place of God? It can be 0:26:28.390 --> 0:26:32.230 a pick up truck. Yeah, it can be a pick 0:26:32.270 --> 0:26:37.230 up truck. It can be a spiritual gift that God 0:26:37.230 --> 0:26:41.910 gave you. It can be pride. It can be gluttony. 0:26:41.910 --> 0:26:43.990 It can be greed. It can be hoarding. It can 0:26:43.990 --> 0:26:49.910 be lust. It can be envy. There can be so 0:26:49.910 --> 0:26:54.149 many things that crowd out God in our life. So 0:26:54.150 --> 0:26:57.990 you got to confess it. Obviously, first you got to 0:26:57.990 --> 0:27:00.469 identify it and have the courage as this person that 0:27:00.470 --> 0:27:02.670 I was just talking about, we had a great conference 0:27:02.670 --> 0:27:06.429 call with just quietly, humbly before the Lord said, God, 0:27:06.430 --> 0:27:09.709 why is my joy being ripped off from me? Why 0:27:09.869 --> 0:27:13.580 am I getting ripped blind here? your confession is powerful. 0:27:14.500 --> 0:27:16.700 We had a sweet time on the phone yesterday afternoon 0:27:16.700 --> 0:27:20.660 for about an hour and just pouring it out. This 0:27:20.660 --> 0:27:22.580 is how I've been ripped off. This is what it's 0:27:22.580 --> 0:27:27.300 done to my life. Awesome. Confess it to God and 0:27:27.300 --> 0:27:31.300 1 or 2 trusted people. Bring it out into the light. Secondly, 0:27:31.300 --> 0:27:33.180 you got to attack it. You might say, well, Carl, 0:27:33.180 --> 0:27:35.900 how in the world do I attack this idol or 0:27:35.900 --> 0:27:39.940 this sin in my life? We have underestimated the power 0:27:39.940 --> 0:27:41.780 of God's Word. In fact, when we were on this 0:27:41.780 --> 0:27:44.060 call yesterday, even before I got what I'm about to 0:27:44.060 --> 0:27:46.340 tell you out of my mouth, my friend who was 0:27:46.340 --> 0:27:48.540 on this conference call at a well, talked about how 0:27:48.540 --> 0:27:51.460 he went through a plant that he owned. It was 0:27:51.460 --> 0:27:54.860 a fabrication plant that had become an idol in his life, 0:27:54.980 --> 0:27:59.420 and he began to walk around just speaking out the 0:27:59.420 --> 0:28:02.500 word of God and the truth that his identity is 0:28:02.500 --> 0:28:04.900 not in this plant. He ran a plant with hundreds 0:28:04.900 --> 0:28:11.520 of guys overseeing it, and he owned and operated this plant, 0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:13.719 and it had become an idol and he began to 0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:16.760 just march. Around speaking out loud the Word of God. 0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:20.880 Now that's got biblical roots in it. And I think 0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:24.440 the most important root there's two actual terms here. One 0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:28.600 is Hagar. Meditation actually means to speak, utter moan, shout. 0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:31.520 It's to speak out loud. It's talking about Michael, right? 0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:33.120 Don't think about it. And he goes, yeah, we. Got 0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:36.040 to keep hammering that. It's so true. But the other 0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:39.560 one is the word rhema. Choose 70 to 70 times 0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:42.880 in the New Testament. It means the spoken word of God. 0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:46.080 It means getting the Word of God on your lips. 0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:49.320 And you begin attacking the idol with the truth of 0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:56.160 God's Word. And what you do is you find Scripture 0:28:56.160 --> 0:29:04.120 passages that align with issues like sexual lust, greed, anything 0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:06.200 that you can find. As you read the Word of God, 0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:10.550 you begin to get those words Coming off your lips 0:29:10.550 --> 0:29:14.710 and you speak it out boldly, just as Jesus did. 0:29:15.190 --> 0:29:19.550 Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word. 0:29:19.550 --> 0:29:21.830 The Greek word there is rhema that proceeds from the 0:29:21.830 --> 0:29:25.430 mouth of God. Get God's Word on your lips. Jesus 0:29:25.950 --> 0:29:30.670 actually fought back at Satan with the Word of God. 0:29:31.150 --> 0:29:35.670 Quoted Deuteronomy three times. Get the Word of God in you. 0:29:35.710 --> 0:29:38.670 Get it on your lips. Third thing. Build boundaries around 0:29:38.670 --> 0:29:44.710 your life. Boundaries. Strong boundaries. Get people, places, and things 0:29:45.310 --> 0:29:48.910 away from your periphery that have been a stumbling block 0:29:48.910 --> 0:29:50.670 in the past and you're going to get some victory, 0:29:50.670 --> 0:29:57.430 I promise you that. God wants to give you victory. Confession. 0:29:57.550 --> 0:30:00.830 Attacking it with the word and building boundaries are a 0:30:00.830 --> 0:30:05.670 powerful means to get that victory. I don't know what's 0:30:05.670 --> 0:30:08.580 holding you up today, But it's time to do battle. 0:30:10.740 --> 0:30:14.940 Go conquer that one thing that is defeating you today. 0:30:16.060 --> 0:30:20.420 It's a great grief for a moment, but in time, 0:30:20.420 --> 0:30:25.140 you're going to find freedom like you've never imagined. And 0:30:25.140 --> 0:30:28.660 that first step of confession to God and a person 0:30:29.260 --> 0:30:31.780 is a powerful first step. Live it today. 0:30:32.820 --> 0:30:35.900 This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio. 0:30:36.700 --> 0:30:39.420 Everything we do here is about God not leaving us 0:30:39.420 --> 0:30:43.260 where we are, but taking us someplace new. And I 0:30:43.300 --> 0:30:45.020 got a dear friend with me here. This guy is 0:30:45.060 --> 0:30:48.460 a flamethrower for Jesus. He's doing a great work. He's 0:30:48.460 --> 0:30:50.940 the founder and director of Christ Life Ministries. I'll give 0:30:50.940 --> 0:30:52.340 you a link at the end of this time that 0:30:52.340 --> 0:30:54.660 we have together here, but we're just going to podcast 0:30:54.660 --> 0:30:56.260 this thing a little bit. We're just going to have 0:30:56.260 --> 0:31:01.220 a conversation bringing in Greg Dempster. Uh, Greg, you're seeing 0:31:01.220 --> 0:31:05.680 a lot of people, especially ministry leaders, elders, ministry Industry directors, 0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:09.960 senior pastors, worship leaders get freed from idols that we've 0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:11.200 created in our life. 0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:15.480 We're seeing renewal. God's bringing renewal to the church and 0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:19.760 pastoral leaders who have been beaten up by sin, who 0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:23.840 have been in their own thinking, separated by their sin 0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:30.000 from God, are just humbly returning, experiencing grace. Experiencing renewal. 0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:34.160 Experiencing renewed relationship with God. And it's going to spread 0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:37.880 from those leaders to the congregants that they serve. And 0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:39.600 it's just thoroughly exciting. 0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:43.320 How does a leader come to a point or any person? 0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:46.120 Because I know you work specifically with leaders. In fact, 0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:48.560 I was just glancing at your website and the amount 0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:53.200 of testimonies Greg, you've got on your site from pastoral leaders. 0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:56.240 I mean, scores of them that have that are now 0:31:56.280 --> 0:32:02.720 walking free is astounding. How does a leader identify that 0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:05.670 they've made something into an idol, or they've let a 0:32:05.710 --> 0:32:09.470 besetting sin just kick their tail and they've been living 0:32:09.470 --> 0:32:12.150 in secret. I mean, does it? It's there has to 0:32:12.150 --> 0:32:14.790 become a point of brokenness, right? 0:32:14.830 --> 0:32:17.310 I think it's just really simple. The leaders that come 0:32:17.310 --> 0:32:19.670 in to meet with me, and they're feeling a sense 0:32:19.670 --> 0:32:22.590 of restlessness, like a lack of satisfaction. And you know 0:32:22.590 --> 0:32:24.790 as well as I do, Augustine was the one who 0:32:24.790 --> 0:32:29.750 quoted ages ago where he said, our hearts are restless 0:32:29.990 --> 0:32:34.190 until they find their rest in you, God, and they 0:32:34.190 --> 0:32:36.750 come in. We're not as off as we think we are. 0:32:36.910 --> 0:32:41.150 The reality is we just know something's not working internally. 0:32:41.190 --> 0:32:44.070 We just don't know how to identify that and how 0:32:44.070 --> 0:32:45.710 to actually move towards freedom. 0:32:46.430 --> 0:32:53.710 When you identify something. Confession is everywhere in Scripture. Why 0:32:53.710 --> 0:32:56.390 is confession just a. And by the way, it's not 0:32:56.390 --> 0:32:59.390 like we're revealing something to God, but agreeing with them. 0:32:59.790 --> 0:33:03.900 This is why I'm off and then going to people. 0:33:03.900 --> 0:33:07.140 This is why I'm off. Why is that threshold so 0:33:07.180 --> 0:33:08.620 tough to cross through? 0:33:08.860 --> 0:33:12.100 I think it's because we built our lives around ourselves. 0:33:12.100 --> 0:33:16.500 It was Blaise Pascal who said that the inexcusable sin 0:33:16.620 --> 0:33:20.620 is making ourselves our own ruler, our own master, our 0:33:20.620 --> 0:33:27.220 own provider. And when we live in, develop appetites around 0:33:27.220 --> 0:33:31.820 us being the center, us being our own provider. The 0:33:31.820 --> 0:33:34.580 reason why it's difficult to break out of those patterns 0:33:34.580 --> 0:33:37.540 is because the opportunities that God gives us to live 0:33:37.540 --> 0:33:40.980 his way have been left untried or untried. We just 0:33:40.980 --> 0:33:44.300 know something works in a minimal sense over here, although 0:33:44.300 --> 0:33:48.260 it leaves me bankrupt and restless and we don't know 0:33:48.260 --> 0:33:51.700 what God can provide or how God can step in 0:33:51.700 --> 0:33:55.300 and bring freedom because those options have been remained or 0:33:55.340 --> 0:33:56.900 have remained untried. 0:33:57.100 --> 0:33:59.739 Yeah, yeah. Coming up here in a few minutes, I 0:33:59.740 --> 0:34:04.760 want to talk to you. Pride. Your highest authority isn't God. Gluttony. 0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:13.520 Satisfaction apart from God. Greed. Discontent with the generosity of God. Hoarding. Lust. Envy. Cowardice. 0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:16.399 Maybe I don't know what it is you're battling with, 0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:18.640 or what you've made into an idol. And what's wild 0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:20.879 about idols is you can take a pickup truck you 0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:24.000 got from God and turn it into the very idol 0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:26.240 that God never intended it to be. Isn't that wild? 0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:27.280 How that works, guys? 0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:28.200 It's so wild. 0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:30.560 Coming up, more with Greg Dempster. We're going to talk 0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:33.960 about how to come out from under this heap of 0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:37.680 shame and condemnation, because that's really a layer in here 0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:38.600 as well. Hang on. 0:34:39.120 --> 0:34:42.040 You're listening to Carl and crew on Moody Radio. 0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:45.319 The root of all our sins. Is that something or 0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:48.320 someone is taking the place of God and it rips 0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:50.680 us off with me. Greg Dempster, dear friend and an 0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:54.200 incredible guy. Great worship leader and a great man of 0:34:54.200 --> 0:35:00.110 God who coaches, actually senior leaders And leaders of every 0:35:00.110 --> 0:35:03.350 size church. You can imagine watching them fall in love 0:35:03.350 --> 0:35:06.470 with Jesus again, and some for the very first time. Greg. 0:35:06.469 --> 0:35:10.150 When someone identifies a sin or an idol, something that's 0:35:10.150 --> 0:35:13.110 taken the place of God, how do you walk people 0:35:13.110 --> 0:35:15.070 through the process of deliverance? 0:35:15.350 --> 0:35:19.069 It's multifaceted. I think we need to understand why we 0:35:19.070 --> 0:35:21.950 make the choices that we do, and we bring a 0:35:21.950 --> 0:35:24.910 person through what we call the awareness, where they can 0:35:24.910 --> 0:35:31.510 understand how their mind. Romans 12 two was formed over time, 0:35:31.510 --> 0:35:35.589 and often understanding that helps them begin to get set 0:35:35.590 --> 0:35:39.550 free to understand the why behind the dysfunctional lifestyle choices 0:35:39.550 --> 0:35:40.350 that they're making. 0:35:41.110 --> 0:35:44.270 So to get it that why I know that you 0:35:44.310 --> 0:35:48.070 are big on going back to some family of origin things. 0:35:48.070 --> 0:35:51.310 Earliest memories. Why is that important? To reach back in 0:35:51.310 --> 0:35:52.430 order to go forward? 0:35:52.469 --> 0:35:55.790 I think it's a practical part of discipleship, Carl. I mean, 0:35:56.270 --> 0:36:00.089 Romans 12 two. We read it. We hear it preached 0:36:00.090 --> 0:36:04.410 all the time to be the experience, metamorphosis or transformation 0:36:04.410 --> 0:36:07.450 through the renewing of the mind. The Greek word for 0:36:07.489 --> 0:36:11.009 mind is nous, and it represents how I perceive, how 0:36:11.010 --> 0:36:14.170 I understand, how I feel, how I judge, and how 0:36:14.170 --> 0:36:17.930 I determine. Last time I checked, no one comes out 0:36:17.930 --> 0:36:20.489 of the womb with a fully developed mind, right? It's 0:36:20.489 --> 0:36:25.810 developed through experience. My interpretation of those experiences and then 0:36:25.810 --> 0:36:26.730 my response. 0:36:27.770 --> 0:36:30.930 So take a case study here. Take a take a 0:36:30.930 --> 0:36:36.489 senior pastor that genuinely loves God wants people to hear 0:36:36.489 --> 0:36:41.090 the gospel. There's a there's a big motivation there. But 0:36:41.090 --> 0:36:45.729 but from his earliest recollection, he never measured up. How 0:36:45.730 --> 0:36:50.050 can you reorient that pastor to where now the preaching 0:36:50.050 --> 0:36:52.569 of the word comes from a healthy place? 0:36:53.690 --> 0:36:55.920 Boy, we could be on the radio for two hours 0:36:55.920 --> 0:36:59.560 talking about this. But really, simply stated, we need to 0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:05.239 understand what events formed or began the process of informing 0:37:05.480 --> 0:37:08.799 the distorted perspective that's driving them. And then we need 0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:12.920 to uncover the disruptive emotion that comes from that distortion. 0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:16.839 And then what's underneath all these dysfunctional lifestyle choices. And 0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:21.120 then we begin to help them become aware, moment by moment, 0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:24.200 throughout the day of the disruptive emotion that they're feeling 0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:26.640 and the distortion that's underneath. And then all of a 0:37:26.640 --> 0:37:30.160 sudden they're empowered like never before to come before the 0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:34.080 Hebrews for throne of Grace, the throne that we call 0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:35.760 the throne of. I will do it for you. Because 0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:38.239 of course, grace is God doing something for us that 0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:41.280 we can't do for ourselves. And they begin to experience 0:37:41.320 --> 0:37:44.640 a God who loves them. A God who's completely committed 0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:47.239 to freeing them. That's really the first step. 0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:50.680 That's beautiful. To the person out there who knows they've 0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:53.630 identified something in their life that's become an idol, a 0:37:53.670 --> 0:37:57.510 reoccurring kind of. We've heard the term besetting sin. You sin, 0:37:57.510 --> 0:38:00.710 you got shame, you repent, and you repeat. What do 0:38:00.710 --> 0:38:02.630 you offer up to that person today? 0:38:03.469 --> 0:38:07.990 I think grace is is grace. Not a whole pass 0:38:07.989 --> 0:38:13.910 regarding my sin, but grace as the invitation to approach 0:38:13.950 --> 0:38:17.189 a God who is willing to do something that we 0:38:17.190 --> 0:38:20.509 absolutely cannot do for ourselves. We have all these people 0:38:20.550 --> 0:38:25.029 who who are absolutely convinced that they can't conquer their 0:38:25.030 --> 0:38:28.630 own sin. And that's actually correct. They need a God 0:38:28.630 --> 0:38:32.750 stepping in through the power of his grace to love 0:38:32.750 --> 0:38:35.710 them in the midst, in the middle of their brokenness, 0:38:35.750 --> 0:38:37.990 and then provide a route of escape. I would encourage 0:38:37.989 --> 0:38:40.509 the people to just bow down right now. Pull your 0:38:40.510 --> 0:38:43.629 car over, bow down right now, and just say, I 0:38:43.630 --> 0:38:46.629 need grace like I've never had it before. Pour down 0:38:46.630 --> 0:38:49.469 your grace. You promised grace to me. You call me 0:38:49.469 --> 0:38:52.290 to approach your throne of grace. to help me in 0:38:52.290 --> 0:38:55.009 my time of need. That would be the first step 0:38:55.010 --> 0:38:55.890 towards freedom. 0:38:56.210 --> 0:38:59.930 I love it. Greg Dempster. You just barely got a 0:38:59.930 --> 0:39:02.609 snippet here, but some of you and this is awesome. 0:39:02.610 --> 0:39:05.410 Every time I have Greg on, people go, there's something 0:39:05.410 --> 0:39:08.489 different here that I love. And it is. And it 0:39:08.489 --> 0:39:15.049 is grace based. Counsel. Grace based. Living God's power in 0:39:15.050 --> 0:39:16.850 us to do what we can't do in ourselves. I 0:39:16.850 --> 0:39:18.290 got a link for you. If you want to check 0:39:18.290 --> 0:39:20.489 out Greg's website, you might be a pastor or a 0:39:20.489 --> 0:39:23.049 leader or know someone who's hurting. You might want to 0:39:23.050 --> 0:39:26.170 just get some a good road map. Just text the 0:39:26.170 --> 0:39:32.330 word life to our number. Just life to (800) 555-7898. Just 0:39:32.330 --> 0:39:39.009 the word life to 800 555 7898. Greg, I want 0:39:39.050 --> 0:39:41.250 to thank you. I love you, man. And you're always 0:39:41.250 --> 0:39:46.570 an inspiration and a go to man here. Text life 0:39:46.810 --> 0:39:50.850 to 800 555 7898.