1 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:08,080 S1: Oh, I have been looking forward to this conversation at 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:12,240 S1: the Radio Backyard fence, because I love programs that talk 3 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,840 S1: about real life, real issues and don't just jump to 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,400 S1: all the answers, but kind of linger in the middle 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,640 S1: of the struggle to try to figure out where am I? 6 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:23,440 S1: How do I get here, and how do I get 7 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,439 S1: from where I am to where I want to be, 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,680 S1: and where do I want to be? My guess is 9 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:32,320 S1: there is somebody listening right now who feels anxious about something. 10 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,400 S1: And if you're a Christian, you may feel guilty or 11 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,560 S1: have a bit of shame because you know you're not 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,080 S1: supposed to be anxious about anything. So if you are 13 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:45,680 S1: able to identify that you are feeling anxious, you're already 14 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:50,080 S1: losing because you're anxious. But wait, I want you to 15 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,840 S1: listen up today because our guest says in her life, 16 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:58,440 S1: anxiety became the best thing that ever happened to her faith. 17 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,010 S1: How can that be? Blair Lynn is back. You have 18 00:01:02,010 --> 00:01:04,850 S1: to hear her heart today and hear about the deer 19 00:01:05,209 --> 00:01:08,729 S1: who lost its life in order to bring you this conversation. Well, 20 00:01:08,730 --> 00:01:13,050 S1: we actually don't know what happened to the deer, but 21 00:01:13,050 --> 00:01:16,450 S1: you'll hear that story. And if you are anxious or 22 00:01:16,450 --> 00:01:19,690 S1: if you know somebody who has this crippling anxiety or 23 00:01:19,690 --> 00:01:23,690 S1: who has panic attacks, their anxiety is kind of it 24 00:01:23,690 --> 00:01:26,490 S1: feels like they're controlling them. There's a lot of help 25 00:01:26,530 --> 00:01:29,010 S1: and a lot of hope ahead. Today on Chris Fabry 26 00:01:29,010 --> 00:01:31,569 S1: live program from the heart to the heart for the heart, 27 00:01:31,569 --> 00:01:36,330 S1: that's H.e.a.r.t dot HRT. If you go to Chris org, 28 00:01:36,370 --> 00:01:38,970 S1: you'll see our featured resource by Blair and I'll tell 29 00:01:38,970 --> 00:01:41,850 S1: you more about that straight ahead. First, thanks to Ryan 30 00:01:41,850 --> 00:01:45,490 S1: McConaughey doing all things technical. Tricia is our producer. Lisa 31 00:01:45,490 --> 00:01:48,250 S1: is back with us today. Josh is going to be 32 00:01:48,250 --> 00:01:51,490 S1: answering your calls. I am anxious about our thank you 33 00:01:51,490 --> 00:01:53,170 S1: this month, because I really want to put this in 34 00:01:53,170 --> 00:01:55,930 S1: your hands before Christmas, and it takes time to get 35 00:01:55,930 --> 00:02:00,330 S1: it from our post office to your mailbox. I gotta 36 00:02:00,330 --> 00:02:03,570 S1: settle down. I gotta count to four. Uh, it's the 37 00:02:03,570 --> 00:02:10,049 S1: creative little Christmas carol coloring, activity, coloring, and activity book 38 00:02:10,570 --> 00:02:15,130 S1: illustrated by our pal Jo Sutphen, who did Watership Down 39 00:02:15,130 --> 00:02:19,570 S1: and illustrated that, as well as Little Pilgrim's Progress. It 40 00:02:19,570 --> 00:02:22,090 S1: has pages to color and word searches and mazes and 41 00:02:22,090 --> 00:02:24,650 S1: word jumbles and crossword puzzles. And I would love to 42 00:02:24,690 --> 00:02:26,650 S1: send you this and have you take a picture of 43 00:02:26,650 --> 00:02:29,850 S1: your kids or your grandkids not looking at a screen, 44 00:02:30,210 --> 00:02:33,329 S1: but doing something creative like this with the page. Now 45 00:02:33,330 --> 00:02:35,530 S1: here's how to get a copy. Give a gift of 46 00:02:35,530 --> 00:02:38,770 S1: any size in November. So there's more anxiety of mine. 47 00:02:38,770 --> 00:02:41,810 S1: 11 days left in November, and we'll try to get 48 00:02:41,810 --> 00:02:45,010 S1: it to you as quickly as possible. There, there comes 49 00:02:45,050 --> 00:02:49,890 S1: bubbling up again. Here's the number 866953. Oh. I'm saying 50 00:02:49,889 --> 00:02:54,090 S1: that too fast. Chris Fabry live for you. See how 51 00:02:54,090 --> 00:02:56,650 S1: this grips me. Thank you for your support here as 52 00:02:56,650 --> 00:02:58,820 S1: we hurtled toward a new year. We can't do what 53 00:02:58,820 --> 00:03:01,860 S1: we do without you. Your gift today will lessen my anxiety. 54 00:03:01,860 --> 00:03:09,420 S1: So call us (866) 953-2279 or go to Chris Fabry lives 55 00:03:10,860 --> 00:03:14,420 S1: and you'll see how you can receive this wonderful little 56 00:03:14,460 --> 00:03:18,220 S1: is a 32 page book. I think it's going to 57 00:03:18,540 --> 00:03:20,780 S1: going to make a difference for you and for your 58 00:03:20,780 --> 00:03:24,380 S1: kids grandkids. If you go to that website, you'll also 59 00:03:24,380 --> 00:03:28,100 S1: see more about Blair Lynn l I n n e 60 00:03:28,660 --> 00:03:32,220 S1: she's the author of. We talked about finding my father 61 00:03:32,220 --> 00:03:37,580 S1: on a former broadcast, teaches the Bible. She's an actress. 62 00:03:37,580 --> 00:03:41,820 S1: She's a spoken word artist. She's creator of the podcast 63 00:03:41,820 --> 00:03:48,060 S1: Glow Glow with the Gospel Coalition. She's toured globally and 64 00:03:48,100 --> 00:03:50,900 S1: is known as one of the originators of the Christian 65 00:03:50,900 --> 00:03:55,940 S1: spoken word genre, proclaiming the gospel of Christ through speaking 66 00:03:55,940 --> 00:04:00,100 S1: and spoken word is her passion. She and her husband, Shai, 67 00:04:00,140 --> 00:04:03,780 S1: live in Dallas with their three children, and the book 68 00:04:03,780 --> 00:04:08,260 S1: that she's written made to tremble how anxiety became the 69 00:04:08,260 --> 00:04:12,700 S1: best thing that ever happened to my faith. Blair, welcome 70 00:04:12,700 --> 00:04:14,460 S1: back to the program. How are you doing today? 71 00:04:14,980 --> 00:04:17,780 S2: I'm doing well. Thank you for having me on again. 72 00:04:18,220 --> 00:04:20,740 S1: Okay, I got I got the first question you write 73 00:04:20,740 --> 00:04:23,180 S1: in the book. I went from believing anxiety was the 74 00:04:23,180 --> 00:04:26,820 S1: worst thing that could happen to me, to now knowing 75 00:04:26,860 --> 00:04:29,219 S1: anxiety became one of the best things that has ever 76 00:04:29,220 --> 00:04:31,460 S1: happened to my faith. How in the world can you 77 00:04:31,460 --> 00:04:32,140 S1: say that? 78 00:04:32,500 --> 00:04:35,740 S2: I know that's right. That's a good question. Um, it 79 00:04:35,740 --> 00:04:38,940 S2: took me some time to get there. Um, as the 80 00:04:38,940 --> 00:04:43,700 S2: quote suggests, because initially I didn't think that Christians would 81 00:04:43,700 --> 00:04:46,500 S2: deal with anxiety or should be dealing with anxiety. And 82 00:04:46,500 --> 00:04:50,100 S2: so when anxiety first came into my life, I had 83 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:52,739 S2: a lot of shame. I had a lot of isolation 84 00:04:52,740 --> 00:04:55,470 S2: regarding it. I tried to handle it on my own, 85 00:04:56,270 --> 00:04:58,910 S2: and one of the things that I ultimately saw and 86 00:04:58,910 --> 00:05:02,710 S2: learned in the thick of my anxiety was it was 87 00:05:02,710 --> 00:05:05,150 S2: exactly where I needed to be. Once I began to 88 00:05:05,190 --> 00:05:09,750 S2: see how the Lord was using my anxiety to help 89 00:05:09,750 --> 00:05:15,549 S2: me see my weakness, to help me see my humanity. Um, 90 00:05:15,710 --> 00:05:20,670 S2: it was then a portal, an opportunity to help me 91 00:05:20,710 --> 00:05:26,830 S2: depend more greatly, more desperately upon God, and to tremble 92 00:05:26,870 --> 00:05:30,750 S2: before him. And so that's why, in short, I could 93 00:05:30,750 --> 00:05:33,350 S2: say it's now one of the best things that ever 94 00:05:33,350 --> 00:05:34,550 S2: happened to my faith. 95 00:05:34,750 --> 00:05:37,309 S3: Yes. Okay. What? You just said. 96 00:05:37,310 --> 00:05:40,390 S1: Exactly where I needed to be. There are people who 97 00:05:40,430 --> 00:05:43,310 S1: are listening who say, no, no, God doesn't want me 98 00:05:43,310 --> 00:05:47,270 S1: to be in in this anxiety. What you're saying is 99 00:05:47,270 --> 00:05:54,600 S1: the anxiety is the litmus test that, uh, your dependence 100 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,320 S1: has to be on him. So in that sense, it 101 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:01,720 S1: is this portal, this gateway, this opportunity to trust him 102 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,440 S1: more in the middle of the the situation. Right. 103 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:10,520 S2: That's right. Because what anxiety is. And I walk through 104 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,760 S2: three different types of fear in the book. A natural fear. Uh, 105 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,560 S2: there is a sinful fear. There is religious fear. Um, 106 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,599 S2: what happened for me was I had a car accident, 107 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,000 S2: as you mentioned. The deer came out of nowhere, um, 108 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,720 S2: and totaled our car. And as a result, it spiraled 109 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:33,159 S2: me into this season of panic attacks. Feeling anxious all day, 110 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:38,080 S2: every day, ultimately being given a label of having generalized 111 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:42,040 S2: anxiety disorder. And and it was hard to grapple with that. 112 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,520 S2: I think a month in, we were kind of like, okay, uh, 113 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,080 S2: how long is this going to last? You know, a 114 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,600 S2: year in two years in. Then it kind of made 115 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,040 S2: us think, is this the way it's always going to be? 116 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,839 S2: And I remember being in bed for weeks, unable to 117 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,039 S2: do anything because not only was I dealing with panic attacks, 118 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,040 S2: it was all these extra symptoms on top of the symptoms. 119 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,880 S2: And and I was in bed and just crying out 120 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,640 S2: to the Lord and trying to read books, actually, on 121 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,000 S2: the topic to get encouragement. Uh, and I didn't walk 122 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,560 S2: away very encouraged by what I was reading. Honestly, if 123 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,640 S2: I'm honest, I almost felt, you know, more shame and 124 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,000 S2: more guilt about what I was feeling. But what I, 125 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,720 S2: what I learned on the other side was one that 126 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:30,600 S2: anxiety and fear is not always sin. So my body 127 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,600 S2: was responding to this accident. So I would wake up 128 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,360 S2: around the time of the accident. I would at times 129 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,760 S2: be dreaming about deer. This was subconscious. It wasn't like 130 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,800 S2: I was sitting there thinking, I want to replay this 131 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:45,920 S2: accident again and again. In my mind, it was almost 132 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:51,010 S2: like a PTSD element to the angst and and so 133 00:07:51,050 --> 00:07:53,770 S2: I'm dealing with all of these symptoms. And then my 134 00:07:53,770 --> 00:07:56,850 S2: heart starts racing, you know. And I'm, you know, all. 135 00:07:57,010 --> 00:07:59,050 S2: And then I'm thinking, oh no, because I'm about to 136 00:07:59,050 --> 00:08:01,290 S2: have a panic attack. So then my mind says, well, 137 00:08:01,290 --> 00:08:04,050 S2: what's wrong with my body? What's going on? So that's 138 00:08:04,050 --> 00:08:07,290 S2: when the spiraling or the rumination would happen of what's 139 00:08:07,290 --> 00:08:10,530 S2: wrong with my body, which is actually normal, right? Like, 140 00:08:10,570 --> 00:08:13,810 S2: if anything is happening, you would say, my heart is pounding. 141 00:08:13,810 --> 00:08:16,010 S2: It feels like it's about to pound out of my chest. 142 00:08:16,010 --> 00:08:19,490 S2: Is this a medical emergency? And so that was eye 143 00:08:19,530 --> 00:08:23,010 S2: opening for me. I think looking in the Scripture and 144 00:08:23,010 --> 00:08:29,850 S2: seeing so many people, godly people, righteous people, experienced fear, um, 145 00:08:29,850 --> 00:08:32,650 S2: that this is common to man, I think was helpful 146 00:08:32,650 --> 00:08:36,130 S2: for me. What ends up happening was with anxiety is 147 00:08:36,170 --> 00:08:39,690 S2: it then turns into the sinful fears, my body, my 148 00:08:39,690 --> 00:08:43,090 S2: nervous system. Then it's almost like out of whack. And 149 00:08:43,090 --> 00:08:46,370 S2: so there are moments where I shouldn't be concerned, but 150 00:08:46,370 --> 00:08:49,410 S2: my body is saying, be concerned. Concerns. And then my 151 00:08:49,410 --> 00:08:52,730 S2: mind says, well, I want some sense of control. I 152 00:08:52,730 --> 00:08:56,170 S2: feel out of control. I'm concerned about the future and 153 00:08:56,170 --> 00:08:59,690 S2: what could potentially happen, which for me, one of those 154 00:08:59,690 --> 00:09:03,130 S2: concerns was that another deer would come when I'm driving 155 00:09:03,130 --> 00:09:06,690 S2: on a turnpike. What if another deer happens and having 156 00:09:06,690 --> 00:09:10,729 S2: to grapple with that and ultimately seeing, well, my God 157 00:09:10,970 --> 00:09:14,450 S2: rules the deer. You know, my God is over these 158 00:09:14,650 --> 00:09:18,850 S2: real concerns that I have. And so if I'm in 159 00:09:18,850 --> 00:09:23,090 S2: a position where I can't control the deer I like, 160 00:09:23,130 --> 00:09:25,929 S2: I don't have that type of power I wish I did. Right. 161 00:09:25,970 --> 00:09:29,290 S2: That would be great, but I don't. So I have 162 00:09:29,290 --> 00:09:32,970 S2: to entrust myself to the God who is over all things, 163 00:09:32,970 --> 00:09:36,250 S2: visible and invisible. I have to entrust myself to the 164 00:09:36,290 --> 00:09:38,850 S2: God who is over the universe, right? Who has the 165 00:09:38,850 --> 00:09:42,250 S2: whole world in his hand. Um, and so that's why 166 00:09:42,250 --> 00:09:45,050 S2: I say it's the proper place, the best place to be. 167 00:09:45,330 --> 00:09:49,100 S2: Because in my vulnerability, ability. I could ask God, God, 168 00:09:49,100 --> 00:09:52,460 S2: help me to breathe. God help me. I'm feeling anxious. 169 00:09:52,460 --> 00:09:56,660 S2: I'm nervous about driving. I can't do this apart from you. 170 00:09:57,059 --> 00:10:00,500 S2: But the truth is, we can't do anything apart from God. 171 00:10:00,780 --> 00:10:03,500 S2: What happens is, when we're not in that place of 172 00:10:03,500 --> 00:10:07,300 S2: suffering or concern, sometimes we begin to think that we 173 00:10:07,300 --> 00:10:10,620 S2: can do a lot of things without God. But we 174 00:10:10,620 --> 00:10:13,580 S2: all need God to breathe. We all need God to 175 00:10:13,620 --> 00:10:16,060 S2: tie our shoe. Right? To read a book, to listen 176 00:10:16,059 --> 00:10:20,020 S2: to this conversation. It's God who is working in us. Um, 177 00:10:20,020 --> 00:10:23,700 S2: and so seeing that it really changed everything, really a 178 00:10:23,740 --> 00:10:28,339 S2: high view of God and learning to apply the text 179 00:10:28,340 --> 00:10:32,900 S2: on anxiety in its proper context so that it doesn't 180 00:10:32,900 --> 00:10:36,700 S2: keep me filled with shame and isolation, but it actually 181 00:10:36,740 --> 00:10:39,260 S2: helps me to lean into God and lean into my 182 00:10:39,260 --> 00:10:40,620 S2: community as well. 183 00:10:41,100 --> 00:10:44,660 S1: Well, and lean into the relationship with him. Because my 184 00:10:44,700 --> 00:10:48,429 S1: guess is some of those books that you read about anxiety, 185 00:10:48,470 --> 00:10:51,309 S1: the part of the problem is, well, just do. Here's 186 00:10:51,309 --> 00:10:54,429 S1: the ten steps, and here's the ten verses to kind 187 00:10:54,470 --> 00:10:57,470 S1: of soothe and save you. And and then all these 188 00:10:57,510 --> 00:11:00,110 S1: years later, you know, you ought to be you ought 189 00:11:00,110 --> 00:11:01,990 S1: to be over this. Why aren't you over this? And 190 00:11:01,990 --> 00:11:04,470 S1: so then comes the shame and the guilt and all that. 191 00:11:04,470 --> 00:11:07,350 S1: And this is exactly why I said at the beginning, 192 00:11:07,550 --> 00:11:11,189 S1: I'm so excited for this program, because there's somebody who's 193 00:11:11,190 --> 00:11:14,190 S1: walking through this. Maybe it was not a car accident 194 00:11:14,190 --> 00:11:18,350 S1: that has you in that spiral. Maybe it was something else, 195 00:11:18,350 --> 00:11:22,150 S1: some decision that somebody else made or a decision that 196 00:11:22,150 --> 00:11:25,829 S1: you made, and it all went south and you're stuck there. 197 00:11:26,350 --> 00:11:28,590 S1: I hope you'll listen to Blair. And if you go 198 00:11:28,590 --> 00:11:32,510 S1: to Chris org, you'll see our featured resource Made to 199 00:11:32,550 --> 00:11:36,390 S1: Tremble how anxiety became the best thing that ever happened 200 00:11:36,390 --> 00:11:40,510 S1: to my faith. You'll see it right there at Chris Lives. 201 00:11:40,990 --> 00:11:45,870 S1: Click through today's information Chris Fabry lives Typekit if you 202 00:11:45,870 --> 00:11:53,510 S1: have a question or comment, this touches a nerve. (877) 548-3675. 203 00:12:01,070 --> 00:12:04,470 S1: Special guest today on Chris Fabry Live is Blair Lynn. 204 00:12:05,030 --> 00:12:09,150 S1: Her latest is Made to tremble how anxiety became the 205 00:12:09,150 --> 00:12:11,189 S1: best thing that ever happened to my faith. It's our 206 00:12:11,190 --> 00:12:17,670 S1: featured resource. Click through the information there today at Chris Fabry. Okay, Blair, 207 00:12:17,670 --> 00:12:19,990 S1: I want you to take us back because I, I 208 00:12:20,070 --> 00:12:23,950 S1: really want our listeners to to hear the story you 209 00:12:23,950 --> 00:12:28,670 S1: were driving. You and your family were driving from Philadelphia 210 00:12:28,710 --> 00:12:32,590 S1: to Grand Rapids, Michigan. This was actually you were in 211 00:12:32,590 --> 00:12:35,590 S1: a van and it was a rental van, right? 212 00:12:35,630 --> 00:12:39,430 S2: Yes. That's right, we were. And yeah, my family's in 213 00:12:39,429 --> 00:12:42,470 S2: Grand Rapids, Michigan. We had just moved to Philly like 214 00:12:42,510 --> 00:12:46,520 S2: three months prior. Um, my husband helped plan a church 215 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,600 S2: in Philly, so we were a young family in ministry. 216 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,079 S2: We had three kids, three and under. Uh, so I 217 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,080 S2: don't know if somebody out there is listening you in 218 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,280 S2: that situation. The Lord bless you and keep you. Um, 219 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,280 S2: because it wasn't easy. It was a tough season. Um, 220 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,920 S2: it was a new city for me. And we're taking 221 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:08,800 S2: this trip and maybe an hour in, my husband gets tired, 222 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:10,920 S2: and so he. So I'm like, I'll jump into the 223 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:15,880 S2: driver's side. We're driving and I'm from California, so I 224 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:20,000 S2: am not familiar with deer on the road. Okay. Um, 225 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,959 S2: it was, you know, new for me and about actually, 226 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,520 S2: an hour before the deer hit the car, there was 227 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,520 S2: something that ran across the road, a little, uh, little 228 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,679 S2: animal that ran across the road. And my husband, before 229 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,680 S2: he went to sleep, he said, you never swerve for animals. 230 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,480 S2: You want to drive straight ahead. And an hour later, 231 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,240 S2: I'm looking to my right because I know it's deer season. 232 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,880 S2: The signs say it very clearly. Watching for dear. I'm 233 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,920 S2: in the left hand lane. The fast lane. Well, this 234 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:52,400 S2: deer comes from the left, so like over the wall. 235 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,600 S2: Just completely caught me off guard. I didn't have time 236 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,719 S2: to respond. And, you know, initially we were just so 237 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,000 S2: thankful that we were physically well, you know, we pulled 238 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:07,199 S2: over to the right, the deer went and like a boomerang, 239 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,880 S2: I mean, went over to the right. Um, it's like midnight, 240 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,800 S2: 1:00 in the morning. And so, you know, we pulled 241 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,640 S2: off of the turnpike and, and it was hard because 242 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,320 S2: there were a lot of cares. There were a lot 243 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:23,400 S2: of cares. But what ended up happening, maybe a week later, 244 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,680 S2: I was driving from a small group, friends of mine, 245 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,680 S2: these sisters had asked me about the accident and I 246 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,040 S2: just replayed the accident to them. You know, this is 247 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,520 S2: what happened. And as I'm driving home now, this is 248 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,720 S2: at night. It's late at night. I all of a 249 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,410 S2: sudden feel like I can't breathe. Abbrev. And so I 250 00:14:41,450 --> 00:14:44,610 S2: rolled down the window to get some fresh air. Now 251 00:14:44,610 --> 00:14:46,810 S2: this is in the Philly winter. So it's cold. But 252 00:14:46,810 --> 00:14:50,410 S2: I'm like let me get some breeze going. And I 253 00:14:50,410 --> 00:14:53,130 S2: still feel like I can't breathe, like I can't swallow. 254 00:14:53,650 --> 00:14:56,730 S2: And so all of a sudden my heart. Then the 255 00:14:56,730 --> 00:15:01,690 S2: concern comes because I can't breathe like I usually can. 256 00:15:01,690 --> 00:15:03,850 S2: And so I call my husband and I say, I 257 00:15:03,850 --> 00:15:05,730 S2: don't know what's going on, but we need to get 258 00:15:05,730 --> 00:15:08,690 S2: to the hospital. And I'm not familiar with Philly to 259 00:15:08,730 --> 00:15:11,490 S2: know where the hospital is. But my husband says, make 260 00:15:11,490 --> 00:15:13,930 S2: it home and you know I'll take you. We go 261 00:15:13,930 --> 00:15:17,690 S2: to the hospital and they do all of the tests, EKG, 262 00:15:17,770 --> 00:15:22,130 S2: and they say everything is fine. You're fine. No one 263 00:15:22,130 --> 00:15:24,690 S2: explained to me that I had had a panic attack, 264 00:15:24,690 --> 00:15:28,370 S2: so I had no idea what happened. But I did know, 265 00:15:28,370 --> 00:15:31,170 S2: and I was super thankful that things calmed, that I 266 00:15:31,170 --> 00:15:33,770 S2: was feeling better. Um, and then I went on to 267 00:15:33,810 --> 00:15:38,090 S2: just have several more panic attacks before I reached out 268 00:15:38,090 --> 00:15:40,260 S2: to a group of older women who I used to 269 00:15:40,260 --> 00:15:43,100 S2: attend church with saying, I'm not sure what's going on. 270 00:15:43,340 --> 00:15:46,700 S2: And then they just opened up and said, oh, I've 271 00:15:46,940 --> 00:15:49,580 S2: struggled with panic attacks. I think that's what's going on. 272 00:15:49,860 --> 00:15:53,020 S2: One said, I have a thyroid issue and so I 273 00:15:53,020 --> 00:15:56,100 S2: struggle with anxiety. Another one, you know, they just kind 274 00:15:56,140 --> 00:15:57,900 S2: of came out of the woodworks and I was like, 275 00:15:58,500 --> 00:16:01,140 S2: I had no idea. You know, I wish we had 276 00:16:01,140 --> 00:16:03,940 S2: spoken about this sooner, but I'm so glad we could 277 00:16:03,940 --> 00:16:06,660 S2: have this conversation now. Yeah. 278 00:16:06,900 --> 00:16:10,860 S1: And that's why I mentioned before the break that, uh, 279 00:16:10,860 --> 00:16:15,020 S1: the books that you were reading that weren't helpful were 280 00:16:15,500 --> 00:16:18,780 S1: more the, you know, four steps, five steps, ten steps, 281 00:16:18,780 --> 00:16:22,100 S1: whatever it is, what you needed was the presence of 282 00:16:22,100 --> 00:16:26,860 S1: other people who had gone through similar, something similar in 283 00:16:26,860 --> 00:16:30,260 S1: their life, and they weren't telling you, here, take this 284 00:16:30,260 --> 00:16:33,940 S1: supplement or take this pill or just read this verse. 285 00:16:34,340 --> 00:16:34,860 S2: Mhm. 286 00:16:34,900 --> 00:16:37,380 S1: They were walking through it with you. Right. 287 00:16:37,380 --> 00:16:42,580 S2: That's right. And and offering spiritual help but also practical 288 00:16:42,580 --> 00:16:46,380 S2: helps in the Scripture is practical. Don't get me wrong. 289 00:16:46,660 --> 00:16:49,500 S2: We need the Scripture and we need to pray for 290 00:16:49,500 --> 00:16:53,620 S2: one another as we deal with anxiety. But also like 291 00:16:53,620 --> 00:16:57,540 S2: someone sent me a workbook which would help me differentiate 292 00:16:57,540 --> 00:17:00,140 S2: between a panic attack and a heart attack. That was 293 00:17:00,140 --> 00:17:02,580 S2: really helpful. For the next time, I would have a 294 00:17:02,580 --> 00:17:05,179 S2: panic attack to know no one's ever died from a 295 00:17:05,180 --> 00:17:08,780 S2: panic attack. Um, you know, I was able to get 296 00:17:08,820 --> 00:17:12,660 S2: a counselor, and that was helpful to even think through 297 00:17:12,660 --> 00:17:15,859 S2: breathing techniques. Or, you know, what might it look like 298 00:17:15,859 --> 00:17:19,140 S2: to journal and to begin to wrestle with God and 299 00:17:19,140 --> 00:17:22,140 S2: learn to cast my cares over to the Lord. So 300 00:17:22,340 --> 00:17:25,580 S2: there were a lot of helps. And, you know, I 301 00:17:25,580 --> 00:17:28,740 S2: was used to being very strong and kind of, you know, 302 00:17:28,780 --> 00:17:30,859 S2: the mom who can do it all and just add 303 00:17:30,859 --> 00:17:34,380 S2: more on my plate pile, more on our schedule. And 304 00:17:34,380 --> 00:17:37,590 S2: so to have to pull everything back and now begin 305 00:17:37,590 --> 00:17:39,950 S2: to ask my husband for help. When I would wake 306 00:17:39,950 --> 00:17:41,830 S2: up in the middle of the night and say, I'm 307 00:17:41,830 --> 00:17:43,790 S2: in the thick of a panic attack, would you pray 308 00:17:43,790 --> 00:17:48,830 S2: for me? So community is a huge part of my story. 309 00:17:49,230 --> 00:17:51,750 S2: As you read the book, you'll see that so many 310 00:17:51,750 --> 00:17:57,350 S2: people came along to help me, and that counteracted the shame, 311 00:17:58,310 --> 00:18:01,870 S2: the condemnation, even those few voices that tried to say, well, 312 00:18:01,869 --> 00:18:05,750 S2: where's the sin in your life that's bringing this on? Um, 313 00:18:05,950 --> 00:18:08,670 S2: so it was so helpful. It was huge for my. 314 00:18:08,710 --> 00:18:11,350 S1: Okay. Here's a here's a question I have for about shy. 315 00:18:11,550 --> 00:18:16,550 S1: So he's asleep in the driver, the passenger side when 316 00:18:16,550 --> 00:18:19,470 S1: this happens with the deer. And then you walk through 317 00:18:19,470 --> 00:18:23,270 S1: that whole thing together. Um, do you think if you 318 00:18:23,270 --> 00:18:26,270 S1: had been in the passenger side, it would have been 319 00:18:26,270 --> 00:18:30,869 S1: any different meaning since you were driving? You were the 320 00:18:30,869 --> 00:18:33,470 S1: one who had to react to it. Do you think 321 00:18:33,470 --> 00:18:36,950 S1: if you had been asleep at that time, your body 322 00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:40,230 S1: or your your life would have been any different. 323 00:18:40,590 --> 00:18:43,949 S2: That's a good question. You know, probably I mean, I 324 00:18:43,950 --> 00:18:48,790 S2: would say yes, being able to experience that impact. Um, 325 00:18:48,990 --> 00:18:52,310 S2: you know, that the shock of that impact, that was immediate, 326 00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:56,350 S2: it was unexpected, um, I think was very different than 327 00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:58,629 S2: all the other people in the car who were asleep. 328 00:18:58,630 --> 00:19:01,310 S2: And they didn't feel that. I mean, she did wake 329 00:19:01,310 --> 00:19:05,470 S2: up out of his sleep yelling like, ah, you know, but, um, 330 00:19:05,790 --> 00:19:07,710 S2: but he didn't, you know, it was kind of an 331 00:19:07,710 --> 00:19:11,350 S2: after effect, uh, because the deer had already hit the 332 00:19:11,350 --> 00:19:13,510 S2: car at that point, so. 333 00:19:13,550 --> 00:19:13,790 S1: Okay. 334 00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:15,790 S4: So so here's here is the. 335 00:19:16,150 --> 00:19:22,310 S1: The corollary to that then since you are having a problem, uh, 336 00:19:22,350 --> 00:19:25,150 S1: if you've got three little kids and he's got all 337 00:19:25,150 --> 00:19:28,990 S1: this responsibility with church and everything and you can't drive, 338 00:19:29,150 --> 00:19:31,629 S1: you know, you drive ten minutes and you kind of 339 00:19:31,670 --> 00:19:36,080 S1: seize up. How does he react to all that does? 340 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,320 S1: Is there any part of him that said, come on, 341 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,879 S1: you know, snap out of it, Blair. There's nothing here. 342 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,320 S2: Right? Yeah. You know, I mean, I think initially I 343 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:48,080 S2: talked through when I called him, uh, when I was 344 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,040 S2: having my very first panic attack and he said, come 345 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,159 S2: on home. What he said to me, he said, you know, 346 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,840 S2: I have a cup of water for you, uh, waiting. 347 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,920 S2: And and I hung up the phone and I thought, water. 348 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,080 S2: You know, I need a doctor. You know, um, I 349 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:06,000 S2: don't think he understood initially what I saw in the process. 350 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,000 S2: Not only did the Lord transform me, the Lord transformed 351 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:13,480 S2: my husband. Uh, because to see, you know, initially, something 352 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:19,280 S2: he didn't understand become, you know, his, you know, I think, joy, 353 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,120 S2: to be able to walk with me through one of 354 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,840 S2: the hardest things that I've experienced in my life, um, 355 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,359 S2: you know, to to partner with me to, you know, 356 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,890 S2: not join, I guess, the amen corner of shame, you know. 357 00:20:32,930 --> 00:20:35,410 S2: But to say, you know, I'm going to seek to understand. 358 00:20:35,410 --> 00:20:38,489 S2: I don't fully understand this. Um, but I want to 359 00:20:38,490 --> 00:20:41,570 S2: be with you in the process. And it was a huge, um, 360 00:20:41,810 --> 00:20:44,850 S2: you know, I mean, it transformed our whole family because 361 00:20:45,090 --> 00:20:47,970 S2: I remember we're a young family and ministry, not a 362 00:20:47,970 --> 00:20:50,449 S2: lot of money for those who are in ministry, you know? 363 00:20:50,450 --> 00:20:53,850 S2: And so when I wasn't able to homeschool anymore, we 364 00:20:53,850 --> 00:20:56,449 S2: had to think about putting our kids in school. And 365 00:20:56,730 --> 00:21:00,050 S2: as you said, I couldn't drive beyond ten minutes for 366 00:21:00,050 --> 00:21:03,330 S2: a long time and not sure can I drive my kids, 367 00:21:03,450 --> 00:21:07,530 S2: you know, to the childcare? Um, and then my husband 368 00:21:08,050 --> 00:21:12,090 S2: really questioned if he would continue in ministry full time 369 00:21:12,130 --> 00:21:15,290 S2: on staff. And so eventually, a few years in, he 370 00:21:15,290 --> 00:21:19,450 S2: decided to step out of ministry on staff. I should 371 00:21:19,450 --> 00:21:22,649 S2: say he was still ministering and helping the church, but 372 00:21:22,650 --> 00:21:26,130 S2: that was intentional. To be around his family, to serve 373 00:21:26,130 --> 00:21:29,689 S2: me and our children. Um, and so it really changed 374 00:21:29,690 --> 00:21:32,930 S2: the whole trajectory of our lives. We moved here, right, 375 00:21:32,970 --> 00:21:36,330 S2: to serve this church. And now things were changing and 376 00:21:36,330 --> 00:21:39,530 S2: that was really hard. That was really hard for our family. 377 00:21:39,730 --> 00:21:44,090 S1: I love it that you include that because, um, what 378 00:21:44,090 --> 00:21:46,770 S1: what we want in a story is resolution. We want 379 00:21:46,770 --> 00:21:51,010 S1: the finger snapped, and we want people to act exactly 380 00:21:51,010 --> 00:21:53,570 S1: the way that they need to. They ought to act 381 00:21:53,570 --> 00:21:56,210 S1: and they don't. And you see this in the Scripture. 382 00:21:56,250 --> 00:21:58,890 S1: You know, that's the thing that encourages me so much about, 383 00:21:58,890 --> 00:22:02,090 S1: especially the New Testament, the Old Testament, too. But in 384 00:22:02,090 --> 00:22:04,250 S1: the New Testament, you have these people who are walking 385 00:22:04,250 --> 00:22:06,850 S1: with Jesus himself. You know, the Lord has come down 386 00:22:06,890 --> 00:22:09,129 S1: and he's doing this and they're getting it wrong, and 387 00:22:09,130 --> 00:22:11,850 S1: they're not trusting him and they're doubting and they're, you know, 388 00:22:12,210 --> 00:22:15,450 S1: crying when the waves come over and it's like, okay, 389 00:22:15,570 --> 00:22:19,490 S1: God takes you right where you are. And if this thing, 390 00:22:19,490 --> 00:22:22,369 S1: if this thing of anxiety is the thing that is 391 00:22:22,369 --> 00:22:26,050 S1: pressing down on your nerve, it is okay to struggle 392 00:22:26,050 --> 00:22:29,810 S1: with this and to allow yourself to, uh, I love it. 393 00:22:29,900 --> 00:22:32,899 S1: You know, you could also say, I'm not going to 394 00:22:32,900 --> 00:22:34,900 S1: tell anybody that I had to go to a counselor 395 00:22:34,900 --> 00:22:39,580 S1: because that means I'm weak. No, no, actually, you're showing 396 00:22:39,580 --> 00:22:41,900 S1: how strong you are to say, I can't do this 397 00:22:41,940 --> 00:22:45,540 S1: on my own. I need help here. Oh, and and 398 00:22:45,540 --> 00:22:47,859 S1: when you went to the counselor, one of the things 399 00:22:47,859 --> 00:22:52,020 S1: that bubbled to the surface was walking back through your 400 00:22:52,020 --> 00:22:57,940 S1: own life. And you remembered that at 18, you had 401 00:22:57,980 --> 00:23:02,780 S1: trouble breathing and you had to go to the hospital. 402 00:23:02,820 --> 00:23:06,100 S1: And I found that I found that really, really interesting. 403 00:23:06,100 --> 00:23:12,580 S1: And then at 13, your brother died of SIDs while 404 00:23:12,580 --> 00:23:17,100 S1: your mom was in jail. Yeah. And and your family 405 00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:21,340 S1: never was able to talk about this. And these things 406 00:23:21,380 --> 00:23:24,740 S1: kind of came back. So in our next segment, I 407 00:23:24,740 --> 00:23:27,340 S1: want to talk more about that. And if you have 408 00:23:27,340 --> 00:23:30,470 S1: an answer to our question today of whether or not 409 00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:33,870 S1: anything good can come from anxiety in your life. I'd 410 00:23:33,869 --> 00:23:36,030 S1: love to hear from you because some folks have answered 411 00:23:36,030 --> 00:23:47,630 S1: on Facebook. Uh, and you can call us at 87754836758775483675. 412 00:23:47,670 --> 00:23:51,389 S1: Has anything good come from anxiety in your life? Uh, 413 00:23:51,390 --> 00:23:54,350 S1: tell us your story today and respond to what Blair 414 00:23:54,350 --> 00:23:56,910 S1: has said. I want you to respond before we take 415 00:23:56,910 --> 00:24:00,230 S1: a break, though. Blair. What? That, you know, at 18 416 00:24:00,230 --> 00:24:02,950 S1: years old and then at 13 years old, the loss 417 00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:04,910 S1: of your brother, what did that do? 418 00:24:05,470 --> 00:24:08,950 S2: Oh, my. I mean, it was so difficult. And I 419 00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:10,950 S2: thought when I was going into counseling, I'm just going 420 00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:13,150 S2: to deal with this accident and be done with it, 421 00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:16,109 S2: you know? And so to be able to dig through 422 00:24:16,150 --> 00:24:20,350 S2: my life and, and see these things that I never really, 423 00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:24,950 S2: really peered into, it was life changing. Um, there was 424 00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:27,669 S2: so much healing that needed to take place because there 425 00:24:27,670 --> 00:24:31,430 S2: was so much pain still below the surface. Um, and 426 00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:37,150 S2: so I was so grateful. Grateful for counselor. My counselor. Um, because, yeah, 427 00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:38,830 S2: she walked me through so much. 428 00:24:39,230 --> 00:24:40,790 S4: So well. 429 00:24:40,830 --> 00:24:45,629 S1: And. And how much, uh, job's friends when they showed 430 00:24:45,630 --> 00:24:48,870 S1: up and didn't say anything, how good that was. And 431 00:24:48,869 --> 00:24:50,510 S1: then they opened their mouths. 432 00:24:51,390 --> 00:24:51,869 S4: You know. 433 00:24:52,430 --> 00:24:55,230 S1: The more I, the more I, the longer I live, 434 00:24:55,270 --> 00:24:58,909 S1: the more I've learned that the better thing to do 435 00:24:58,950 --> 00:25:01,910 S1: than to give advice is to ask questions. And that's 436 00:25:01,910 --> 00:25:03,630 S1: what your counselor did, right? 437 00:25:03,869 --> 00:25:06,950 S2: That's right, she did. And so to be able to 438 00:25:06,990 --> 00:25:11,470 S2: unfold these things that I had never really shared with 439 00:25:11,470 --> 00:25:15,590 S2: many people, you know, my brother, him passing away when 440 00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:19,830 S2: I was 13, and I remember running out every year 441 00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:21,590 S2: when it was around the time that he died, I 442 00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:24,149 S2: would I would feel sick to my stomach. I would 443 00:25:24,150 --> 00:25:27,440 S2: smell the smell in the morgue, and I would run 444 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,119 S2: out of my class in tears. And so, you know, 445 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,960 S2: to be able to heal those pains, those deep rooted pains, 446 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:36,920 S2: it was so helpful. 447 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,400 S1: Made to tremble is written by Blair Lynn. It's our 448 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:47,800 S1: featured resource at Chris Fabry Livorno. Chris Fabry, Livorno. This 449 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,520 S1: is this next segment is going to help somebody. Stay 450 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:51,000 S1: with us. 451 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,760 S4: This is Chris Fabry live. 452 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,000 S1: And we're so glad to have Blair Lynn talking openly 453 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,439 S1: and honestly about anxiety today. If you know somebody who 454 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,680 S1: needs to hear this program, let them know. Think about 455 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,400 S1: the anxious hearts of women who take a pregnancy test 456 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,359 S1: and see a positive. And they didn't want to see 457 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,359 S1: a positive. And the father of that child who didn't 458 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,760 S1: want to see that either. Anxious moments staring at the 459 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,560 S1: plus sign. 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When I read 479 00:27:47,410 --> 00:27:51,410 S1: the title Blair, I thought of the old hymn, uh, 480 00:27:51,410 --> 00:27:54,050 S1: prone to wander. Lord, I feel it. Prone to leave 481 00:27:54,050 --> 00:27:58,650 S1: the God I love because you, the title made to tremble. Lord, 482 00:27:58,650 --> 00:28:02,490 S1: I feel it. Why did you use that? Uh, use 483 00:28:02,490 --> 00:28:04,690 S1: that word, that motif of tremble. 484 00:28:05,090 --> 00:28:09,810 S2: Yeah. So there's many layers there. So, you know, made 485 00:28:09,810 --> 00:28:12,370 S2: to tremble. Why are we made to tremble? Well, because 486 00:28:12,369 --> 00:28:15,850 S2: of natural fear. And I talk about these three definitions 487 00:28:15,850 --> 00:28:19,090 S2: of fear. Um, that actually I got from John Flavel, 488 00:28:19,130 --> 00:28:23,580 S2: the Puritan, uh, who was around in the 1600s. But 489 00:28:23,580 --> 00:28:26,980 S2: I have found it so helpful. Um, a lot of 490 00:28:26,980 --> 00:28:32,459 S2: times the Puritans really had, I think, a wider concept of, um, 491 00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:34,859 S2: not only. Yeah, when it came to fear, when it 492 00:28:34,859 --> 00:28:37,580 S2: came to mental health, I think they had a very 493 00:28:37,619 --> 00:28:42,820 S2: thorough understanding that somehow we've kind of lost along the way. So, 494 00:28:42,860 --> 00:28:46,700 S2: you know, he described natural fears, the trouble of mind 495 00:28:46,820 --> 00:28:52,260 S2: from the apprehension of approaching evil or impending danger. And so, 496 00:28:52,460 --> 00:28:55,140 S2: you know, it's that fight or flight, right? So it's 497 00:28:55,140 --> 00:28:58,180 S2: not always sinful, but we know it is the fruit 498 00:28:58,180 --> 00:29:02,260 S2: of and consequence of sin, right? So it started in 499 00:29:02,260 --> 00:29:05,500 S2: the garden. Uh, when when Adam and Eve. Right. They sinned. 500 00:29:05,500 --> 00:29:08,780 S2: And it says they were afraid, so they hid. Um. 501 00:29:09,220 --> 00:29:11,380 S2: And so we know it started there. But it's not 502 00:29:11,380 --> 00:29:14,820 S2: always sin. Um, but it is in our nature. And 503 00:29:14,820 --> 00:29:17,660 S2: so there's no shaking off fear. And and that's why 504 00:29:17,660 --> 00:29:21,020 S2: when you look at the scriptures, the Old and New Testament. 505 00:29:21,020 --> 00:29:24,340 S2: You see, from Abraham to the disciples. I mean, like 506 00:29:24,380 --> 00:29:29,060 S2: all the patriarchs, Jobe, Isaiah, Jeremiah. These prophets, they all 507 00:29:29,060 --> 00:29:33,820 S2: experience fear. So it's not that we do experience it. 508 00:29:33,860 --> 00:29:36,820 S2: It is common to man. But then the New Testament 509 00:29:36,820 --> 00:29:41,980 S2: describes sinful fear or worry, um, as this anxiousness. And 510 00:29:42,100 --> 00:29:45,180 S2: it really means you're caring to the point where you're 511 00:29:45,180 --> 00:29:49,740 S2: divided or you're separated into parts. And so your attention 512 00:29:49,740 --> 00:29:54,140 S2: is so divided in all of your devotion, it's been 513 00:29:54,140 --> 00:29:57,940 S2: diverted away from God and to your worry, it's now 514 00:29:57,940 --> 00:30:02,020 S2: on your worry. And so that's when we see passages like, um, 515 00:30:02,260 --> 00:30:05,580 S2: Philippians four, you know, be anxious for nothing. That's speaking 516 00:30:05,580 --> 00:30:08,340 S2: of that sinful fear. I think sometimes we read our 517 00:30:08,340 --> 00:30:12,180 S2: anxiety or panic attacks into verses like this, but that's 518 00:30:12,180 --> 00:30:16,660 S2: not what Paul was suggesting. He's talking about this worry 519 00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:19,630 S2: where all of our devotion is focused in on it. 520 00:30:19,630 --> 00:30:23,390 S2: And that anxiousness right, being divided or pulled apart in 521 00:30:23,390 --> 00:30:26,990 S2: different directions. He says don't be anxious about anything. But 522 00:30:26,990 --> 00:30:31,630 S2: then he says, but right. Contrasting that in everything. In 523 00:30:31,630 --> 00:30:34,270 S2: other words, I'm going to show you what you do 524 00:30:34,270 --> 00:30:38,470 S2: when that worry is there. You pray right by prayer 525 00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:42,590 S2: and petition with thanksgiving. And I think that's really important 526 00:30:42,590 --> 00:30:48,710 S2: because thanksgiving, it helps us remember our God. Anxiety often 527 00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:51,590 S2: helps us to forget. And the minute in the moment 528 00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:54,230 S2: of our anxiety, all we see is the very thing 529 00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:59,470 S2: we're concerned about. Thanksgiving reminds us, but wait, who's greater 530 00:30:59,790 --> 00:31:04,870 S2: than our anxiousness or our anxieties? Right? Prayer. It shows 531 00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:08,350 S2: us and points us to who's greater. That's why we 532 00:31:08,350 --> 00:31:11,870 S2: offer our prayers and petitions. Because we have a God 533 00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:16,310 S2: who is actually over everything that we're concerned about. And 534 00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:19,030 S2: then the Scripture says, and the peace of God. And 535 00:31:19,030 --> 00:31:22,110 S2: I love that because peace there, it means to tie 536 00:31:22,150 --> 00:31:26,830 S2: together the parts. So anxiety had us diverted, right? It 537 00:31:26,830 --> 00:31:30,950 S2: had us divided and pulled apart in different directions. Well, 538 00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:34,510 S2: the peace of God. It ties us together, ties together 539 00:31:34,510 --> 00:31:37,510 S2: the parts. Now, that doesn't mean that you don't experience 540 00:31:37,510 --> 00:31:41,510 S2: natural fear. Even if you're made to tremble. You still 541 00:31:41,510 --> 00:31:45,390 S2: have someone. You're made to tremble before. Who's greater than 542 00:31:45,390 --> 00:31:48,350 S2: the things that might cause your body to tremble for. 543 00:31:48,750 --> 00:31:50,950 S2: And that is our God. And that's where the religious 544 00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:54,390 S2: fear comes in. And for the unbeliever, that may look 545 00:31:54,390 --> 00:31:57,070 S2: like a terror, right? Because of God's wrath. But for 546 00:31:57,070 --> 00:32:01,230 S2: the believer, this is not a terror. This is not, uh, 547 00:32:01,230 --> 00:32:04,830 S2: being concerned with condemnation. This is not a fear that 548 00:32:04,830 --> 00:32:07,190 S2: has to do with punishment. We know all of our 549 00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:10,310 S2: punishment has been placed upon Christ. So this is a 550 00:32:10,350 --> 00:32:15,070 S2: sanctified fear. This is having an all and reverence, uh, 551 00:32:15,070 --> 00:32:18,960 S2: because we love God. Because he first loved us. So 552 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,200 S2: this is a child responding to his or her father. Uh, 553 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,880 S2: this is the type of fear that and the trembling 554 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,080 S2: that we were made for that we will always have. 555 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,280 S2: And so it's those layers there. The natural fear, the 556 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,640 S2: sinful fear. But ultimately, the fear of God that we're 557 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,240 S2: made to tremble before God. And I love that there's 558 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,200 S2: that hymn from Martin Luther. We tremble not for him. Right? 559 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,080 S2: We tremble not for the evil one. Right. We know 560 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,120 S2: one little word shall fail him. We have a God 561 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:54,080 S2: who is victorious. We have a God who who we know. 562 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,280 S2: You know the end of the story, right? That we 563 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,680 S2: will prevail. And we are more than conquerors. Now we 564 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:06,080 S2: might tremble. Things might cause us to tremble in this life. 565 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,600 S2: But ultimately our God is over those things, and we 566 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:14,480 S2: can entrust ourselves and our fears and concerns to him. 567 00:33:15,930 --> 00:33:19,570 S1: So much. There so much. And I I've got a 568 00:33:19,570 --> 00:33:23,610 S1: thousand thoughts running through my head. But the the prayer 569 00:33:23,610 --> 00:33:27,210 S1: that I have been praying, especially with that that idea 570 00:33:27,210 --> 00:33:31,690 S1: of fear is, oh God, order my fears, help me 571 00:33:32,130 --> 00:33:36,890 S1: fear or reverence you above all of the other fears. 572 00:33:36,930 --> 00:33:39,410 S1: And I got a bunch of them. Every day I 573 00:33:39,450 --> 00:33:41,890 S1: wake up and I've got all this fear about this, that. 574 00:33:41,890 --> 00:33:44,170 S1: And the other thing is like, God, would you would 575 00:33:44,170 --> 00:33:47,690 S1: you order my fear so that I put you above 576 00:33:47,690 --> 00:33:51,330 S1: everything else and that and there's a fear that you 577 00:33:51,330 --> 00:33:55,410 S1: had that was layered into the deer situation. That was 578 00:33:55,650 --> 00:34:01,050 S1: you had a rental van and the insurance company wasn't 579 00:34:01,090 --> 00:34:06,010 S1: taking care of even the accident for a while. So 580 00:34:06,010 --> 00:34:09,529 S1: you had to worry or have anxiety. How are we 581 00:34:09,530 --> 00:34:11,569 S1: going to pay for this? You know, are they going 582 00:34:11,610 --> 00:34:15,810 S1: to come through? And and you add that layer to 583 00:34:15,850 --> 00:34:19,490 S1: the physical, you know, the panic attacks and everything else 584 00:34:19,489 --> 00:34:23,169 S1: and not being able to drive. And it's debilitating, isn't it? 585 00:34:23,489 --> 00:34:26,770 S2: It is. It sure is. And and this is where, 586 00:34:26,969 --> 00:34:30,090 S2: you know, as believers, we can trust the Holy Spirit 587 00:34:30,090 --> 00:34:33,530 S2: to parse out what's going on inside of us, because 588 00:34:33,530 --> 00:34:37,370 S2: sometimes we don't even know the full story. But God 589 00:34:37,370 --> 00:34:40,810 S2: knows us and God can parse out, you know, what 590 00:34:40,810 --> 00:34:44,370 S2: is what is of this fear that you're experiencing is natural. 591 00:34:44,370 --> 00:34:48,210 S2: These are physiological symptoms. And when is the sinful fear coming? 592 00:34:48,210 --> 00:34:50,970 S2: When is this just worry? Because that's what was happening 593 00:34:50,969 --> 00:34:53,570 S2: when it came to that rental car. We had insurance 594 00:34:53,570 --> 00:34:55,890 S2: on the rental car, but the rental car company, they 595 00:34:55,890 --> 00:34:59,009 S2: didn't want to honor it initially. Um, and so I 596 00:34:59,010 --> 00:35:02,970 S2: remember them sending this $18,000 bill and thinking, well, we're 597 00:35:02,969 --> 00:35:05,130 S2: a family in ministry. Like, how are we going to 598 00:35:05,130 --> 00:35:08,730 S2: do this? And sometimes we are faced with circumstances and 599 00:35:08,730 --> 00:35:12,500 S2: we're wondering, how are we going to get through? I 600 00:35:12,540 --> 00:35:16,300 S2: have a friend who her children are, like, extremely allergic 601 00:35:16,300 --> 00:35:19,980 S2: to peanuts, you know. And there's a concern, you know, 602 00:35:20,140 --> 00:35:25,180 S2: if my child goes to someone's house, you know, I'm concerned. Right. 603 00:35:25,219 --> 00:35:28,740 S2: So what do we do? And, you know, fear not 604 00:35:28,739 --> 00:35:32,379 S2: is the most often command in Scripture. Yes. And I 605 00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:37,380 S2: believe it is that because God knows us. Our heavenly father, 606 00:35:37,380 --> 00:35:41,180 S2: our shepherd, knows the sheep. And. And so there's so 607 00:35:41,180 --> 00:35:43,740 S2: many text that says, do not fear, do not fear. 608 00:35:43,980 --> 00:35:46,500 S2: But I think often what I have found is I 609 00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:49,860 S2: was growing up in church. It was used like a rebuke. 610 00:35:49,860 --> 00:35:52,580 S2: Like you said earlier. Just get over this. Right. But 611 00:35:52,580 --> 00:35:56,860 S2: that's not how the Scripture tells us and gives us 612 00:35:56,860 --> 00:36:01,020 S2: this command. Um, often when we look at like Isaiah 41, 613 00:36:01,020 --> 00:36:05,140 S2: for example, verse ten, it says, do not fear. But 614 00:36:05,140 --> 00:36:09,100 S2: then it gives the reason why. For I am with you. 615 00:36:09,540 --> 00:36:13,219 S2: Do not be afraid, for I am your God. I 616 00:36:13,260 --> 00:36:16,540 S2: will strengthen you. I will help you. I will hold 617 00:36:16,540 --> 00:36:19,620 S2: on to you with my righteous right hand. And that's 618 00:36:19,620 --> 00:36:21,900 S2: what I had to realize with all of these fears. 619 00:36:21,940 --> 00:36:26,620 S2: Even sinful fears. Natural fears. I don't recall who's with 620 00:36:26,620 --> 00:36:28,700 S2: me in the midst of it. So even if the 621 00:36:28,739 --> 00:36:33,860 S2: worst case scenario were to come and be a reality 622 00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:37,020 S2: for me, for our family, right? If we do have 623 00:36:37,060 --> 00:36:43,380 S2: a $18,000 bill from this rental van company, well, my 624 00:36:43,420 --> 00:36:48,500 S2: God is our provider right now. When all I'm focused 625 00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:50,540 S2: in on is the worry, it's hard for me to 626 00:36:50,540 --> 00:36:53,860 S2: recall that, which is why I think community can help 627 00:36:53,860 --> 00:36:56,459 S2: us in that. But to say, even if I have 628 00:36:56,460 --> 00:37:00,339 S2: this bill, my God is with me. Even if I'm 629 00:37:00,340 --> 00:37:04,140 S2: driving and there's another deer on the road, my God 630 00:37:04,140 --> 00:37:08,100 S2: is over the deer. If there is sickness in my body, 631 00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:11,350 S2: if I am And diagnosed with cancer. My God is 632 00:37:11,390 --> 00:37:14,710 S2: with me, right? So those out there, I think, who 633 00:37:14,750 --> 00:37:18,230 S2: are listening and you're dealing with real things. Cancer and 634 00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:22,589 S2: peanuts and deer. Right. And financial strains and, you know, 635 00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:25,310 S2: losing jobs. So many people have lost jobs and food 636 00:37:25,310 --> 00:37:29,750 S2: insecurity recently. Right? There is a God who is here, 637 00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:33,270 S2: and he's with us in the sick of the battle. 638 00:37:33,550 --> 00:37:38,350 S2: And sometimes it takes us going through the suffering, because 639 00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:41,750 S2: that's the moment that we actually look to the one 640 00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:45,910 S2: who has sufficient resources. That's the moment where we realize, 641 00:37:46,070 --> 00:37:49,350 S2: I can't do this. I don't have this. When I 642 00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:52,990 S2: started writing this book a month in, my mom died 643 00:37:52,989 --> 00:37:57,270 S2: of cancer, stage four cancer. You know, like we in 644 00:37:57,310 --> 00:38:01,149 S2: this life, we will have trouble, right? But he said, 645 00:38:01,230 --> 00:38:03,989 S2: fear not, for I am with you like I will 646 00:38:03,989 --> 00:38:07,630 S2: help you. I will be your aid. Um. And so. 647 00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:10,959 S2: And in that age, as I said earlier, it comes 648 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,480 S2: through the spiritual means of picking up his word, renewing 649 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:19,320 S2: our mind when those ruminating thoughts keep roaming right. When 650 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,520 S2: you know a thought comes and we're overly concerned about 651 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:28,080 S2: something that's, uh, an, uh, it's it's not a rational fear, right? 652 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,600 S2: This is something that just pops in our mind. We 653 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,160 S2: can trust that to God. When we have the symptoms. 654 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,239 S2: We can entrust that to God. We can call on 655 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,000 S2: our our our friends and our family and our church 656 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,839 S2: community to say, I need your help. I need you 657 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,760 S2: to be a little better than job's friends, you know, 658 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,640 S2: walk with me, listen to me. And that's what happened 659 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,480 S2: for me. A community came around, they gave meals, they 660 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:59,080 S2: came and folded towels. You know, they loved our family. Um, 661 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,600 S2: and then to get a counselor and to learn breathing 662 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,640 S2: techniques and even the benefit of nature and green space 663 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,080 S2: and blue space. These gifts God has given to maybe 664 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,120 S2: take away some of the caffeine. Because we have so 665 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,200 S2: much caffeine these days and so much social media and stimulation. 666 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,600 S5: Okay, Blair, look, look, you just you've just taken me to. No, no, 667 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,959 S5: you've just taken me to our last segment because I. 668 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,040 S1: I thought, I want to take a breath here, and 669 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,040 S1: I want you to tell me more about that. The 670 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,120 S1: breathing techniques that you know, that that are helpful to you. 671 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,719 S1: This is just a practical thing along with the spiritual thing. 672 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,799 S1: And I think breathing is spiritual, too. And then I 673 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,960 S1: want you to also present a spoken word before we 674 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,560 S1: end today. And we're going to do that. It's in 675 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,600 S1: the book. If you get the book go to Chris org, 676 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,279 S1: you'll see it. We have it linked at Chris Walker 677 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,680 S1: made to tremble how anxiety became the best thing that 678 00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:14,089 S1: ever happened to my faith again. Chris Fabriclive. Made to tremble. 679 00:40:14,090 --> 00:40:19,489 S1: Remember that Blair Lynn l I n n e is 680 00:40:19,489 --> 00:40:22,210 S1: our guest today, and now you know why I'm excited 681 00:40:22,210 --> 00:40:24,850 S1: to have her on the program. There's so much in 682 00:40:24,850 --> 00:40:28,969 S1: here from Scripture. There's also some really practical things about 683 00:40:29,410 --> 00:40:33,290 S1: breathing techniques. So, Blair, uh, take a couple of minutes. 684 00:40:33,290 --> 00:40:36,250 S1: Tell me how this has helped you in your anxiety. 685 00:40:36,730 --> 00:40:40,489 S2: Yeah, it's helped me in those moments where I feel 686 00:40:40,489 --> 00:40:44,569 S2: a panic attack about to come on. Um, and, you know, 687 00:40:44,610 --> 00:40:47,250 S2: it's amazing. Now, it almost makes me think about birth. 688 00:40:47,370 --> 00:40:49,730 S2: If anyone is giving birth, you know, when my husband 689 00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:52,410 S2: would come along and kind of help me breathe and 690 00:40:52,410 --> 00:40:55,850 S2: calm down. And when you're having a panic attack, it 691 00:40:55,850 --> 00:41:00,090 S2: can just be so helpful because often your breathing becomes 692 00:41:00,090 --> 00:41:03,850 S2: very shallow. Um, and so to kind of help and 693 00:41:03,890 --> 00:41:07,490 S2: be intentional about working on that. Deep breathing can help 694 00:41:07,489 --> 00:41:08,450 S2: calm you down. 695 00:41:09,890 --> 00:41:13,610 S1: Yeah. Is there is there a favorite thing that you do? 696 00:41:14,210 --> 00:41:15,090 S2: Um, yeah. 697 00:41:15,370 --> 00:41:15,850 S1: Yeah. 698 00:41:16,130 --> 00:41:18,810 S2: Yeah. So, yeah. So actually in the back of the book, 699 00:41:18,810 --> 00:41:21,569 S2: I have, um, a lot of resources. One of those 700 00:41:21,570 --> 00:41:24,609 S2: resources is a breathing technique. And basically what you do, 701 00:41:24,650 --> 00:41:27,290 S2: you place one hand on your chest and you place 702 00:41:27,290 --> 00:41:30,770 S2: the other hand on your belly while you're holding your diaphragm, 703 00:41:30,770 --> 00:41:34,450 S2: and you just try a full abdominal breath until you 704 00:41:34,450 --> 00:41:38,370 S2: breathe in slowly and regularly without a big breath. And 705 00:41:38,370 --> 00:41:41,169 S2: then you try to inhale and out. Actually, you just 706 00:41:41,170 --> 00:41:45,290 S2: inhale and count to five, and then you slowly exhale, 707 00:41:45,290 --> 00:41:48,450 S2: counting to five, and you pause at the end of each. 708 00:41:48,730 --> 00:41:51,370 S2: And so if you took a deep, deep breath, you 709 00:41:51,570 --> 00:41:58,370 S2: breathe in two, three, four, five pause. And then breathe 710 00:41:58,410 --> 00:42:04,300 S2: out two, three, four, five. And sometimes you could do 711 00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:07,460 S2: that with a prayer. So breathe in by saying God 712 00:42:07,460 --> 00:42:12,020 S2: is in control. Pause and then breathe out, saying I 713 00:42:12,060 --> 00:42:16,580 S2: am safe in him. Pause. And so that's one technique 714 00:42:17,020 --> 00:42:20,820 S2: that I've found really helpful when my breathing is shallow. 715 00:42:20,980 --> 00:42:22,739 S5: Yes. That's great. Okay. 716 00:42:22,780 --> 00:42:24,299 S1: That's all in the book. If you go to Chris, 717 00:42:25,660 --> 00:42:29,500 S1: we have that linked. You also have a poem that 718 00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:31,420 S1: you have written, and I want you to do a 719 00:42:31,420 --> 00:42:34,540 S1: section of that for us today. So put on your 720 00:42:34,540 --> 00:42:36,060 S1: spoken word voice. 721 00:42:36,660 --> 00:42:36,899 S5: And. 722 00:42:36,900 --> 00:42:37,660 S1: Take over. 723 00:42:37,700 --> 00:42:38,379 S5: Go for it. 724 00:42:38,620 --> 00:42:42,660 S2: All right. And this poem, um, it is titled Our 725 00:42:42,660 --> 00:42:49,900 S2: Resurrection Hope amidst suffering. When anxiety causes us to shatter 726 00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:57,020 S2: like folded stained glass. Remember the color. Remember the beauty 727 00:42:57,020 --> 00:43:03,150 S2: in brokenness. Remember we are a sanctuary, a frail cathedral. 728 00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:08,030 S2: The greater the awareness of weakness, the more we depend 729 00:43:08,030 --> 00:43:13,149 S2: by his grace. Remember how with more shards come. More 730 00:43:13,150 --> 00:43:19,390 S2: opportunities for light to travel. Remember your God. Remember your 731 00:43:19,390 --> 00:43:24,790 S2: living hope. Remember when your body and mind feel brittle 732 00:43:24,830 --> 00:43:28,790 S2: like bark. Ready to break. Anxiety is smothering you with 733 00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:34,670 S2: her lies. Tempting you to fear the truth. Remember God's words. 734 00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:40,310 S2: Remember to meditate when inclined to forget. Remember that we 735 00:43:40,310 --> 00:43:43,390 S2: are to be a tree. We live in a harsh 736 00:43:43,390 --> 00:43:47,190 S2: sun and tumultuous water, but it helps us bear fruit 737 00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:52,149 S2: in season. Our leaves are alive. God is holding our 738 00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:59,230 S2: body together. Although outwardly perishing inwardly we are being renewed, broken, 739 00:43:59,230 --> 00:44:04,710 S2: yet blessed hope is discovered in the night of adversity. 740 00:44:05,110 --> 00:44:09,430 S2: We are living stones collectively built upon that glorious rock 741 00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:13,790 S2: and his glorious words, neither of which will ever perish. 742 00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:16,549 S2: So may no evil ever rest on the tip of 743 00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:20,709 S2: our tongue. May we never tiptoe around the pain. When 744 00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:25,230 S2: we are held with nails ordained. May we never roll 745 00:44:25,230 --> 00:44:29,149 S2: our eyes or suck our teeth. But choose death in 746 00:44:29,150 --> 00:44:32,149 S2: order to live free in the will of God. May 747 00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:37,750 S2: we bear up under these trials with joy. Always remembering 748 00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:45,590 S2: our God, remembering our living hope, remembering our resurrection, remembering 749 00:44:45,590 --> 00:44:51,310 S2: that we were made to tremble and everything that God 750 00:44:51,350 --> 00:44:53,989 S2: has made is good. 751 00:44:55,630 --> 00:44:59,520 S1: That is Blair Lynn from the book Made to tremble 752 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,319 S1: how anxiety became the best thing that ever happened to 753 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,080 S1: my faith. And there's more to that poem, but we'll 754 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,520 S1: end it right there. I love what Paul David Tripp 755 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:15,000 S1: said as well in the introduction. Um, and I believe 756 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,960 S1: this is. What did Paul say? Yeah. Here it is. Uh, 757 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,600 S1: anxiety is God's expose. It is one of the many 758 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:27,320 S1: ways he confronts us with the inescapable reality of our weakness. 759 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,239 S1: He uses anxiety to reveal our weakness, not as an 760 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,520 S1: action of mockery or condemnation, but as a response of 761 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:41,360 S1: redeeming love. In exposing our weakness, God is wrapping arms 762 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,000 S1: of divine love around us and drawing us near to 763 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:50,040 S1: find in him what we cannot find in ourselves or 764 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:55,400 S1: in anything or anyone else. And from that forward, then 765 00:45:55,400 --> 00:46:00,000 S1: Blair unpacks all of that through her life and the 766 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,400 S1: situation and the deer and the driving and and everything 767 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:08,000 S1: else from her past, and provides a path forward, not 768 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,160 S1: ten steps do this, but a way forward with the 769 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:17,439 S1: presence of God, her walking alongside there with you. And 770 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,520 S1: I hope it'll be encouraging to you today. Go to 771 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:25,520 S1: the website. Chris again, Made to Tremble is the title 772 00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,799 S1: of the book. Blair, thanks so much for being with 773 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:32,160 S1: us today. Keep. Keep driving. Keep writing. Keep talking. Okay. 774 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,920 S6: Thank you so much for having me. 775 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,280 S1: What a pleasure. And I hope that you have been encouraged. 776 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,239 S1: Love to hear your response to today's program. Just go 777 00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:46,840 S1: to the website. Chris. Chris Fabry Live is a production 778 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:51,080 S1: of Moody Radio, a ministry of Moody Bible Institute. Thanks 779 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:51,759 S1: for listening.