1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,479 S1: Something good always happens when she joins us here at 2 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,400 S1: the Radio Backyard fence. And this year, as I looked 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,560 S1: at this date on the calendar, Maundy Thursday, I thought, 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,680 S1: what could happen if Doctor Rosalie De Rossi brings all 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,400 S1: of her love of the literary and the biblical to 6 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:29,360 S1: this day, as we remember Gethsemane, Golgotha, day after the crucifixion, 7 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,200 S1: and then the resurrection. What good places of the heart 8 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,320 S1: might we go? Or going to find out straight ahead 9 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,160 S1: on Chris Fabry live, and we invite you into these 10 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:43,160 S1: thoughts and musings with us today. 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But to think 52 00:03:08,300 --> 00:03:11,380 S1: deeply about what God has done for us and how 53 00:03:11,380 --> 00:03:15,380 S1: to embrace the truth of the sacrifice that Jesus made 54 00:03:15,380 --> 00:03:17,420 S1: and live in light of that. I think a lot 55 00:03:17,460 --> 00:03:20,780 S1: of times we get into this transactional mode with God, 56 00:03:20,780 --> 00:03:22,740 S1: you did this for me, God. So I'm going to 57 00:03:22,740 --> 00:03:26,180 S1: do this for you. You died for me. So let's see, 58 00:03:26,180 --> 00:03:28,740 S1: what do I need to do to earn that? And 59 00:03:28,740 --> 00:03:32,980 S1: you can't, you don't earn something given freely to you 60 00:03:32,980 --> 00:03:37,260 S1: by mercy and grace. You simply embrace it with thanksgiving, 61 00:03:37,860 --> 00:03:41,460 S1: and you allow that gift to transform you from the 62 00:03:41,460 --> 00:03:43,660 S1: inside out. I want to talk about that and a 63 00:03:43,660 --> 00:03:46,740 S1: whole lot more with Doctor Roseli de Rossi, adjunct professor 64 00:03:46,740 --> 00:03:50,140 S1: of literature at Moody Bible Institute, where she's taught for 65 00:03:50,140 --> 00:03:54,380 S1: more than 50, probably 60 years now. Rosie, is that right? 66 00:03:54,420 --> 00:03:57,200 S1: 57 Only 57. 67 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:58,320 S2: Only 57. 68 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,720 S1: Seduced and unshaken, the place of dignity in a woman's 69 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,720 S1: choices is always our featured resource and shall be forevermore. 70 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,920 S1: To go to Chris Fabry live.org. Rosie respond to that. 71 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:14,880 S1: We the transactional thing of Jesus. You did this for me. 72 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,039 S1: I want to do this for you. To earn your favor, 73 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,960 S1: to earn your love. That's not what the gospel is about, 74 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:23,200 S1: is it? 75 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:24,960 S3: I was just talking to a couple of students this 76 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,720 S3: morning about it. It is amazing how many students are tired. 77 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,800 S3: They're tired with trying. They know they're not feeling all 78 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,559 S3: that they need to feel. And part of the reason 79 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,040 S3: they're not feeling what they need to feel is because 80 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:41,640 S3: they compare to the kind of sometimes glib, unintentionally glib. Really, 81 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,720 S3: it's youth and or the the completeness of so many 82 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:50,279 S3: people's expressed experience about faith when it's actually quite arduous 83 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,760 S3: and hard. And I said to a young woman this morning, 84 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,130 S3: I said, you're exhausted. I said, because all you do 85 00:04:57,130 --> 00:05:00,290 S3: is keep trying to feel something, trying to do something, 86 00:05:00,690 --> 00:05:03,210 S3: trying to earn it. And I said, why don't you 87 00:05:03,210 --> 00:05:07,409 S3: just do nothing all weekend? Just go to the services 88 00:05:07,730 --> 00:05:10,770 S3: that hit you. What hits you? Don't try to work 89 00:05:10,770 --> 00:05:14,890 S3: anything up. Don't just just quit. Just quit. God is 90 00:05:14,930 --> 00:05:17,490 S3: with you and Christ is with you. But I said 91 00:05:17,490 --> 00:05:21,250 S3: more than that. They really are. They love you and 92 00:05:21,250 --> 00:05:23,330 S3: they want you to quit trying. They want you not 93 00:05:23,330 --> 00:05:27,050 S3: to be so tired in this effort. And maybe when 94 00:05:27,050 --> 00:05:32,050 S3: you have let down, let down your hoarded resources, as 95 00:05:32,050 --> 00:05:35,330 S3: we say, if something will hit you. I mean, there 96 00:05:35,330 --> 00:05:37,690 S3: have been times in my life where I just couldn't 97 00:05:37,810 --> 00:05:40,770 S3: wrestle anymore. I couldn't ask for more any more forgiveness. 98 00:05:40,770 --> 00:05:43,849 S3: I couldn't try once more. I couldn't keep doing it. 99 00:05:44,170 --> 00:05:48,609 S3: There was everything was so functional and so, so much 100 00:05:48,650 --> 00:05:52,089 S3: on my shoulders. And I think the less I feel 101 00:05:52,089 --> 00:05:55,310 S3: like it's on my shoulders. That, and the more I 102 00:05:55,310 --> 00:05:59,469 S3: feel the the face of Christ smiling at me and 103 00:05:59,470 --> 00:06:04,310 S3: and with me, the more I feel his mercy. And 104 00:06:04,310 --> 00:06:06,830 S3: that brings you in. That brings you in. Then it 105 00:06:06,830 --> 00:06:10,350 S3: starts to mean more. So yes, I do think we 106 00:06:10,350 --> 00:06:12,830 S3: make it transactional. I think we're not even aware of 107 00:06:12,830 --> 00:06:15,150 S3: how much we do that. It's part of our experience 108 00:06:15,150 --> 00:06:17,990 S3: in every other way. And I think sometimes we just 109 00:06:17,990 --> 00:06:20,909 S3: need to take in. As I told her, I said, 110 00:06:20,950 --> 00:06:27,070 S3: God's not psychologically disabled by your by your doubts, questions, numbness, 111 00:06:27,110 --> 00:06:30,110 S3: none of it. But he wishes you'd let go. 112 00:06:30,150 --> 00:06:33,790 S1: Yes. Okay, so I've just thought a new definition for 113 00:06:33,790 --> 00:06:40,710 S1: the gospel and that is believing. When Jesus said three 114 00:06:40,710 --> 00:06:45,190 S1: words that he meant it, agreeing with the three words 115 00:06:45,190 --> 00:06:50,230 S1: of Jesus from the cross, it is finished. He he 116 00:06:50,270 --> 00:06:53,609 S1: he did it. He accomplished that. And the gospel is 117 00:06:53,850 --> 00:06:57,289 S1: you agree with God about you and about what he 118 00:06:57,290 --> 00:07:01,409 S1: has done, and then live in light of that and 119 00:07:01,450 --> 00:07:06,409 S1: embracing that, it is finished for me. Do you agree 120 00:07:06,410 --> 00:07:06,770 S1: with that? 121 00:07:06,810 --> 00:07:10,650 S3: Oh, I agree with that. I agree, it's such a relief. 122 00:07:11,250 --> 00:07:14,610 S3: And nobody comes down and crushes you because you haven't 123 00:07:14,650 --> 00:07:19,010 S3: risen to the task or the Christian list of having 124 00:07:19,010 --> 00:07:21,369 S3: earned that. Maybe this is a good time to start 125 00:07:21,370 --> 00:07:24,410 S3: this weekend, to just take in the beauty of the 126 00:07:24,410 --> 00:07:27,410 S3: services that may be before you, without feeling as though 127 00:07:27,930 --> 00:07:32,690 S3: you have to come up with some huge wave of emotion. Yeah. 128 00:07:33,530 --> 00:07:36,489 S1: And, and that's why I love being able to slow 129 00:07:36,490 --> 00:07:40,130 S1: down here on a Thursday. They call it Monday, Thursday. 130 00:07:40,130 --> 00:07:42,850 S1: Why do they call it that? Rosie's going to explain that. 131 00:07:43,090 --> 00:07:47,090 S1: We've got some poetry. We have some thoughts, obviously some 132 00:07:47,090 --> 00:07:50,170 S1: scripture that we're going to be talking about alluding to. 133 00:07:50,790 --> 00:08:02,750 S1: and we'd love to hear from you at 87754836758775483675. More 134 00:08:02,750 --> 00:08:16,310 S1: straight ahead on Moody Radio. As I was looking at today, 135 00:08:16,350 --> 00:08:19,910 S1: you know, we've done this program for 18 years or so. 136 00:08:19,950 --> 00:08:21,550 S1: I was looking at it. I don't think I've ever 137 00:08:21,550 --> 00:08:27,070 S1: had rosy on, on Maundy Thursday and, and just had 138 00:08:27,070 --> 00:08:32,790 S1: you bring all of your poetry, literary, uh, feel to 139 00:08:32,830 --> 00:08:35,429 S1: this program. And I thought this would be a good conversation. 140 00:08:35,429 --> 00:08:38,150 S1: So that's what we're going to do today. Doctor Rose. Rose. 141 00:08:38,150 --> 00:08:41,950 S1: You can find out more about her. Chris. We'll open 142 00:08:41,950 --> 00:08:45,069 S1: the lines. Let's start with that. Michael card was on, 143 00:08:45,070 --> 00:08:49,969 S1: on Tuesday and we did talk about the Latin derivative 144 00:08:49,970 --> 00:08:52,449 S1: of Maundy. And he said, I've never, never known this. 145 00:08:52,450 --> 00:08:56,329 S1: So for people who didn't hear that, what what is 146 00:08:56,330 --> 00:08:58,490 S1: this day mean? Take me into that. 147 00:08:58,530 --> 00:09:01,450 S3: It was sort of surprising to me to it's mandatum, 148 00:09:01,450 --> 00:09:06,050 S3: which is commandment referencing Jesus command to love others as 149 00:09:06,050 --> 00:09:10,410 S3: he loved them after washing the disciples feet. Uh, and 150 00:09:10,450 --> 00:09:13,569 S3: of course, it's marked by it's the holy day before 151 00:09:13,570 --> 00:09:16,650 S3: Good Friday that commemorates the Last Supper of Jesus Christ 152 00:09:16,650 --> 00:09:20,449 S3: with his apostles washing of the feet. Love one another. 153 00:09:20,450 --> 00:09:22,329 S3: And the key symbols, of course, are the bread and 154 00:09:22,330 --> 00:09:25,410 S3: the wine. A basin and a towel and the stripping 155 00:09:25,410 --> 00:09:28,410 S3: of the altar. So in liturgical churches they will then 156 00:09:28,410 --> 00:09:31,890 S3: strip the altar in preparation for Good Friday and the 157 00:09:31,890 --> 00:09:37,010 S3: morning of Good Friday. And, uh, so you have, you 158 00:09:37,010 --> 00:09:41,690 S3: have communion foot washing in some services, depending sometimes I've 159 00:09:41,690 --> 00:09:44,690 S3: seen a service of lights in connection with this, and 160 00:09:44,690 --> 00:09:48,630 S3: I'm very interested in the, the issue of washing of feet. 161 00:09:48,630 --> 00:09:50,750 S3: And I think it's because my pastor talked about it 162 00:09:50,750 --> 00:09:54,390 S3: in living detail on Sunday, and he talked about really 163 00:09:54,390 --> 00:09:59,470 S3: how impossibly humiliating and even disgusting he said that word 164 00:09:59,470 --> 00:10:02,390 S3: the washing of feet could be. And of course, you 165 00:10:02,429 --> 00:10:04,510 S3: know that Peter resists that he's doing a series on 166 00:10:04,510 --> 00:10:07,670 S3: Peter who is so funny and and he says, wash, 167 00:10:07,910 --> 00:10:09,390 S3: you know, all of me. And he says, well, you know, 168 00:10:09,429 --> 00:10:10,910 S3: if you don't need a shower, we don't need to 169 00:10:10,910 --> 00:10:14,190 S3: do that. But the washing of feet, I mean, I 170 00:10:14,190 --> 00:10:16,550 S3: resist the idea of having my feet washed. I don't 171 00:10:16,550 --> 00:10:19,670 S3: think I ever have or have, nor have I done it. 172 00:10:19,950 --> 00:10:22,750 S3: And it's basically because it feels embarrassing to me, not 173 00:10:22,750 --> 00:10:26,790 S3: because I understand the symbolic quality of it, but the 174 00:10:26,790 --> 00:10:30,070 S3: humility it takes to do that. And for the washing 175 00:10:30,110 --> 00:10:33,110 S3: of feet in that day was a necessity. They had 176 00:10:33,110 --> 00:10:37,110 S3: opened shoes and their feet were probably disgusting. They were dirty, 177 00:10:37,150 --> 00:10:41,590 S3: very dirty, maybe scabbed, all kinds of things. And how 178 00:10:41,630 --> 00:10:47,650 S3: much that that that symbolizes humility. and what could be 179 00:10:47,650 --> 00:10:50,050 S3: more important than humility. We talked about that in a 180 00:10:50,050 --> 00:10:53,570 S3: whole program based on a book that, uh, we talked 181 00:10:53,570 --> 00:10:56,450 S3: about earlier this year or last year, I guess it was. 182 00:10:56,690 --> 00:11:02,410 S3: But humility, what a good thing to emphasize on on 183 00:11:02,450 --> 00:11:06,530 S3: right before the Easter season. It's such a hard one quality. 184 00:11:06,530 --> 00:11:11,490 S3: It's such an unselfconscious quality. It's such a not a basement, 185 00:11:11,490 --> 00:11:17,130 S3: but surrender and submission and thinking about somebody beside yourself 186 00:11:17,410 --> 00:11:20,570 S3: and going to that. And so I have so much 187 00:11:20,570 --> 00:11:24,010 S3: appreciation for the foot washing part of that, which is 188 00:11:24,010 --> 00:11:27,570 S3: probably a good preface to the taking of the Eucharist. 189 00:11:29,650 --> 00:11:31,570 S1: Right. Um. 190 00:11:32,210 --> 00:11:35,809 S3: And of course, the day includes a focus on Jesus 191 00:11:35,809 --> 00:11:39,290 S3: betrayal by Judas in the Garden of Gethsemane, which is 192 00:11:39,290 --> 00:11:42,650 S3: why the decorations are all removed to signify the abandonment 193 00:11:42,650 --> 00:11:44,850 S3: of Jesus in the beginning of the passion. 194 00:11:45,830 --> 00:11:49,429 S1: Yes. And that was what I was thinking about today. 195 00:11:49,470 --> 00:11:53,950 S1: This morning I was thinking about the aloneness. Jesus being alone. 196 00:11:53,950 --> 00:11:58,150 S1: And I wrote, um, the tears of Peter are my tears, 197 00:11:58,150 --> 00:12:00,870 S1: my tears for running away, for letting my fear of 198 00:12:00,870 --> 00:12:04,870 S1: people grow larger than my reverence for you. And Jesus 199 00:12:04,870 --> 00:12:08,069 S1: knows I am. But dust, that's the other thing that 200 00:12:08,070 --> 00:12:10,630 S1: gets me is we were talking about the gospel, is 201 00:12:10,830 --> 00:12:16,830 S1: that Jesus didn't cast Peter or castigate him out. In fact, 202 00:12:16,830 --> 00:12:20,390 S1: he prepared him. You're going to deny me? No I'm not. No, 203 00:12:20,390 --> 00:12:22,950 S1: I'll die with you. No, you're going to deny me. 204 00:12:23,510 --> 00:12:26,910 S1: And so he even tells him that. And then what 205 00:12:26,910 --> 00:12:30,270 S1: does he do afterward? You know, we'll get to that. Um, 206 00:12:30,390 --> 00:12:33,709 S1: and and this, the forgiveness that he had, the meal 207 00:12:33,710 --> 00:12:36,709 S1: that they had together, but I wrote and Jesus knows 208 00:12:36,710 --> 00:12:39,750 S1: I am but dust that my heart wants to follow 209 00:12:39,750 --> 00:12:42,589 S1: but is weak. And then I said, I think of 210 00:12:42,590 --> 00:12:45,689 S1: you all alone in the garden. Alone, but not alone 211 00:12:45,970 --> 00:12:49,650 S1: in the presence of your father, communicating, communing with him, 212 00:12:49,929 --> 00:12:55,410 S1: but still in agony, still being pressed. And what I 213 00:12:55,410 --> 00:12:59,370 S1: took away from that today was I can be close 214 00:12:59,370 --> 00:13:04,490 S1: to God. And still it's okay. It's more than okay 215 00:13:05,170 --> 00:13:08,689 S1: to feel the pressure of my circumstances. I can be 216 00:13:08,690 --> 00:13:13,530 S1: near God and still sweat drops of blood from the 217 00:13:13,530 --> 00:13:17,730 S1: pressure that I'm under. And that's a comforting thing to 218 00:13:17,770 --> 00:13:20,730 S1: me because a lot of people will say, well, if 219 00:13:20,770 --> 00:13:23,170 S1: you if you doubt or if you struggle, then you 220 00:13:23,210 --> 00:13:26,290 S1: don't have any faith because I go to Gethsemane. That's 221 00:13:26,290 --> 00:13:30,250 S1: not true. He was living reality there, right? 222 00:13:30,290 --> 00:13:34,130 S3: Oh, that's absolutely true. I don't I think we have 223 00:13:34,130 --> 00:13:37,490 S3: a very difficult time living in the tension of doubt 224 00:13:37,490 --> 00:13:40,530 S3: and faith in the two things. And I think we 225 00:13:40,530 --> 00:13:42,870 S3: think that if we're that It's the girl that I 226 00:13:42,870 --> 00:13:45,309 S3: talked to this morning who was talking about intimacy with God. 227 00:13:45,350 --> 00:13:49,190 S3: The assumption is, is that you're not happy or you're 228 00:13:49,190 --> 00:13:55,750 S3: completely content, or everything's hunky dory. No intimacy with God 229 00:13:56,510 --> 00:13:59,310 S3: in that. That's a whole other subject. It means that 230 00:13:59,309 --> 00:14:01,429 S3: you can take him anything. I mean, you can you 231 00:14:01,429 --> 00:14:05,590 S3: can be in his presence with with the deepest kind 232 00:14:05,590 --> 00:14:09,110 S3: of grief and agony, and that his presence is what 233 00:14:09,110 --> 00:14:12,910 S3: makes you continue to live. It brings meaning into the 234 00:14:12,950 --> 00:14:15,910 S3: into the difficulty. It doesn't erase it on this earth. 235 00:14:15,910 --> 00:14:18,750 S3: We just don't get all that stuff erased or done 236 00:14:18,750 --> 00:14:23,110 S3: away with. Uh, unless you're, I suppose, on something. I'm 237 00:14:23,310 --> 00:14:26,430 S3: happy to say it. We we just don't. And I'm 238 00:14:26,470 --> 00:14:29,070 S3: tired of it. It's chirpy. Christianity is. 239 00:14:29,110 --> 00:14:30,990 S1: That's what we want to be, though. We want to 240 00:14:30,990 --> 00:14:33,950 S1: be on something. We want to move past. That's why we. 241 00:14:33,950 --> 00:14:36,150 S1: That's why I have a hard time with Maundy Thursday. 242 00:14:36,190 --> 00:14:38,510 S1: I have a problem with Gethsemane. I have a problem 243 00:14:38,510 --> 00:14:41,760 S1: with crucifixion. Get me to Sunday. I want to get this. 244 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:43,560 S1: I want to get to victory. I want to get 245 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,320 S1: to the overcome. I resurrection new life. That's what I want. 246 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:52,160 S1: But to linger here is the reality. It's the same 247 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:56,400 S1: thing that happened to Jesus when Lazarus was dead. He 248 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,760 S1: knew that he was going to live again, but he 249 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,840 S1: still went through that, you know, visceral response, right? 250 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,520 S3: Yes. He did. I mean, that's I just was speaking, 251 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,640 S3: did the did the meditation at a funeral service of 252 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,880 S3: a very young woman who died, uh, of metastatic liver cancer. 253 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,240 S3: And she was very, very courageous. She was not chirpy. 254 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,920 S3: She wasn't in denial. She just was very courageous. And she, 255 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:25,760 S3: she held the tension and, and I just said this, 256 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,960 S3: we're not a hallmark card, you know, and look at Christ. 257 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,040 S3: He wept. Why would he need to weep knowing he 258 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:36,680 S3: was about to resurrect Lazarus? Because he wept over the 259 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,940 S3: fact that death ever had an entrance into this world. 260 00:15:39,940 --> 00:15:44,620 S3: Death is an enemy. We don't sentimentalise death. Death is 261 00:15:44,620 --> 00:15:47,020 S3: the loss of all good things. It was introduced in 262 00:15:47,020 --> 00:15:50,140 S3: the garden with Adam and Eve. When? When Adam took 263 00:15:50,140 --> 00:15:52,540 S3: the fruit. And I mean when Eve took the fruit. 264 00:15:52,540 --> 00:15:55,060 S3: And Adam stood beside her and did not correct it. 265 00:15:55,220 --> 00:15:58,660 S3: And if evermore you know, it was a Pandora's box, 266 00:15:58,860 --> 00:16:01,620 S3: and Christ wept over the fact that death had to 267 00:16:01,620 --> 00:16:05,980 S3: be a reality on this earth. How dare we then, uh, 268 00:16:06,820 --> 00:16:12,380 S3: you know, really sentimentalize it. We can't just leap to eternity. 269 00:16:12,420 --> 00:16:15,460 S3: We have to stay in the fact of the loss. Uh, 270 00:16:15,460 --> 00:16:17,300 S3: you know, my brother died a few years ago. You've 271 00:16:17,300 --> 00:16:20,420 S3: had family members that died. I still am in the 272 00:16:20,420 --> 00:16:23,660 S3: loss of that person in my life. Which brings me sadness. 273 00:16:23,940 --> 00:16:26,340 S3: It's not. That's why it says we do not despair 274 00:16:26,340 --> 00:16:29,380 S3: as others do. And without hope. Right? 275 00:16:29,420 --> 00:16:32,820 S1: And that's when we talk with Nancy DeMoss. Wolgemuth. Yesterday 276 00:16:32,820 --> 00:16:36,700 S1: we had John Perkins a tribute to him. I lost 277 00:16:36,740 --> 00:16:39,400 S1: a really good friend who had a lot to do 278 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,640 S1: with the beginning of this program. Just last week, and 279 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,080 S1: I found out about it a couple of days later. Um, 280 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,360 S1: so it feels like there is a season of loss 281 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,760 S1: that we're going through. But back to the point that 282 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,120 S1: you just made about, and if you're listening and you're 283 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,640 S1: going through that kind of loss, I hope what Rosie 284 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,120 S1: just said is a real encouragement to you that you 285 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,040 S1: do not have to rush past this. It's kind of 286 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,120 S1: what Nancy said yesterday. She said just now, a couple 287 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,320 S1: of months. I'm just now sensing some of the fog lifting. 288 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:16,560 S1: But there's tears. You know, grief is it's really hard. 289 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:21,080 S1: You can't harness it. It harnesses you, and that's okay. Yeah. Um, 290 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,720 S1: but when you talked about, you know, when when he 291 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:27,400 S1: wept at the tomb of Lazarus, it those weren't just 292 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,520 S1: put on tears. It was the reality. And I think 293 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,719 S1: with the foot washing, it was the same thing. It 294 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,080 S1: was not Jesus saying, okay, well, I guess I'm going 295 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,699 S1: to have to do this because I've told them that 296 00:17:37,700 --> 00:17:39,780 S1: I want them to love each other and they need 297 00:17:39,780 --> 00:17:41,780 S1: to serve each other. And so I'm going to get 298 00:17:41,780 --> 00:17:46,140 S1: down here and do this. It was it was as if, um, 299 00:17:46,260 --> 00:17:49,980 S1: you know, he waited. No one else did this. And 300 00:17:49,980 --> 00:17:51,260 S1: he stepped in. 301 00:17:51,619 --> 00:17:52,180 S2: To do it. 302 00:17:52,300 --> 00:17:56,500 S1: To show them partly, but also I think there was 303 00:17:56,500 --> 00:18:02,220 S1: something about him that wanted to, um, not just show them, 304 00:18:02,220 --> 00:18:06,340 S1: but to do this for them. You know, he having 305 00:18:06,380 --> 00:18:09,060 S1: having given given every loved them to the he loved 306 00:18:09,060 --> 00:18:11,580 S1: them to the end. We talked about that the other day. 307 00:18:11,859 --> 00:18:13,940 S1: This was the way that he did it. 308 00:18:14,260 --> 00:18:16,540 S3: And can you imagine the scene? Can you imagine the 309 00:18:16,540 --> 00:18:19,659 S3: feeling of Christ getting down and washing your feet? I. 310 00:18:19,820 --> 00:18:21,780 S3: I mean, that could make you weep if you really 311 00:18:21,780 --> 00:18:27,220 S3: thought about it long enough. How unbelievably humble and loving 312 00:18:27,260 --> 00:18:30,820 S3: that was, and how tenderly he must have washed their feet, 313 00:18:30,820 --> 00:18:33,860 S3: and how thoroughly. He probably noticed the sores. He probably 314 00:18:33,859 --> 00:18:37,639 S3: was careful. He. He. hee! New. And each person, he 315 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,359 S3: was thinking about them. He wasn't just going through a 316 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:44,920 S3: perfunctory ceremony where let's let's let's wash feet. He was. Oh, 317 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:46,679 S3: it's so personal. 318 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,760 S1: And to think of this. He washed Judas's feet. 319 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:51,200 S2: Ah. 320 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,800 S3: Yes. And Judas, knowing what he was going to do, 321 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,719 S3: and Jesus knowing what he was going to do. 322 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:58,240 S2: Yes, and still. 323 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,680 S1: I. You just gave me a thought. Imagine that. Imagine 324 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:08,360 S1: Jesus with Thomas's feet and and washing them, you know, 325 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,600 S1: was their conversation. Thomas, do you remember the time? Because 326 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,680 S1: that's what you know. That's what guys will do. Hey, 327 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,920 S1: do you recall or with Peter or with John, the 328 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,120 S1: the one that Jesus loved. 329 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:21,320 S2: You know, the disciple. 330 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:26,800 S1: Yeah. John, do you remember? And, and just thinking about 331 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,600 S1: those types of things, this is what we're entering into 332 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,480 S1: today on Maundy Thursday. And you brought this poem by 333 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,020 S1: Jo Joe Bailey, who as soon as you mentioned, as 334 00:19:37,020 --> 00:19:39,580 S1: soon as I saw this in your list, I thought of, 335 00:19:39,820 --> 00:19:42,739 S1: you know, the the loss that he went through. The 336 00:19:42,740 --> 00:19:44,939 S1: view from a hearse, I think was a book that 337 00:19:44,940 --> 00:19:45,659 S1: he wrote about. 338 00:19:45,859 --> 00:19:48,820 S2: The gospel blimp view from the Gospel blimp, a whole. 339 00:19:48,820 --> 00:19:49,700 S3: Bunch psalms of my. 340 00:19:49,700 --> 00:19:49,940 S2: Life. 341 00:19:49,980 --> 00:19:51,459 S1: So creative, wasn't he? 342 00:19:51,540 --> 00:19:53,660 S3: He was. That's a long time ago. He's been gone 343 00:19:53,660 --> 00:19:54,540 S3: a long time. 344 00:19:54,740 --> 00:19:55,100 S2: Yeah. 345 00:19:55,140 --> 00:19:55,780 S3: Yes. 346 00:19:56,020 --> 00:19:57,860 S1: To read this for us. What is this? 347 00:19:58,100 --> 00:20:02,500 S3: Tonight, Lord Jesus Christ, you sat at supper with your friends. 348 00:20:02,900 --> 00:20:06,580 S3: It was a simple meal. That final one of lamb, 349 00:20:06,859 --> 00:20:11,260 S3: unleavened bread and wine. Afterward, you went out to die. 350 00:20:11,780 --> 00:20:15,580 S3: How many other meals you shared beside the lake? Fried 351 00:20:15,580 --> 00:20:20,100 S3: fish and toasted bread at Scion's Banquet Hall. A feast 352 00:20:20,100 --> 00:20:24,380 S3: at Lazarus's home in Bethany. The meal Martha cooked on 353 00:20:24,380 --> 00:20:27,859 S3: mountain slope where you fed hungry crowd at close of 354 00:20:27,859 --> 00:20:32,260 S3: tiring day. Please sit with us tonight at our small 355 00:20:32,260 --> 00:20:37,200 S3: meal of soup and rolls and tea. Then go with 356 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:41,400 S3: us to feast of bread and wine that you provide, 357 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,840 S3: because afterwards you went out to die. 358 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,120 S1: What stands out in that poem for you? 359 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,480 S3: I think what I was thinking about when I saw 360 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:57,080 S3: this is. Maybe we should take this day and even 361 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:01,520 S3: the supper meal that's ahead. And before. If. Before we 362 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,280 S3: go to service. If we do. If you do. And 363 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,600 S3: I want to say something that I was not raised 364 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,000 S3: with these liturgical days, the low church didn't celebrate them. 365 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,520 S3: It's something that has improved. I didn't I don't think 366 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,160 S3: I even understood about Maundy Thursday. Of course, everybody knows 367 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,640 S3: about Good Friday. I was in a country where probably 368 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:23,520 S3: Good Friday was more more important than, uh, Resurrection Sunday. 369 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,280 S3: And certainly I wasn't raised with Saturday when you're in waiting. 370 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,000 S3: And so these are good ceremonies. Find somewhere that does it. 371 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,900 S3: And but if you only just have a simple meal, 372 00:21:32,900 --> 00:21:37,060 S3: remember this the fact that the Lord is with us. 373 00:21:37,100 --> 00:21:41,220 S3: You know that he washed feet. Uh, and and and 374 00:21:41,220 --> 00:21:44,100 S3: remember that all the meals he did. That is something, 375 00:21:44,580 --> 00:21:49,260 S3: something to think about. And remember that tomorrow he died. 376 00:21:49,940 --> 00:21:53,419 S1: Yes. Uh, a couple of years ago, we had Doctor 377 00:21:53,420 --> 00:21:57,700 S1: Leland Ryken on, and he brought a book titled Poetry 378 00:21:57,700 --> 00:22:03,100 S1: of Redemption An Illustrated Treasury of Good Friday and Easter Poems. 379 00:22:03,619 --> 00:22:07,619 S1: And he read this by William B Tappan, who lived 380 00:22:07,619 --> 00:22:12,740 S1: 1794 to 1849. And I want you to hear a 381 00:22:12,740 --> 00:22:16,100 S1: little bit of this from Doctor Leland Ryken. 382 00:22:17,140 --> 00:22:21,659 S4: I find it interesting that the author composed this hymn 383 00:22:22,060 --> 00:22:26,900 S4: at age 28. He had just been appointed as president 384 00:22:26,900 --> 00:22:30,440 S4: or superintendent of the American Sunday School Union, which is 385 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,520 S4: a way of saying he wrote with an eye on children. 386 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,360 S4: And having said that, I am taken back in memory 387 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,919 S4: to my own grade school days. I particularly associate this 388 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,520 S4: hymn with my grade school days and in fact once 389 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:50,960 S4: sang it with others at a program. Tis midnight, and 390 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,720 S4: on Olive's brow tis midnight. And on Olive's brow the 391 00:22:55,720 --> 00:23:00,800 S4: star is dimmed. That lately shone. Tis midnight in the garden. 392 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:06,840 S4: Now the suffering Saviour prays alone tis midnight. And from 393 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:11,840 S4: all removed the Saviour wrestles alone with fears. Even that 394 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:16,920 S4: disciple whom he loved. Heeds not his master's grief and tears. 395 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,639 S4: Tis midnight. And for others guilt. The man of sorrows 396 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:26,280 S4: weeps in blood. Yet he that hath in anguish knelt 397 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:31,420 S4: is not forsaken by his God. Tis midnight. And from 398 00:23:31,420 --> 00:23:36,619 S4: heavenly plans is born the song that angels know. Unheard 399 00:23:36,619 --> 00:23:41,900 S4: by mortals are the strands that sweetly soothe the Savior's woe. 400 00:23:44,340 --> 00:23:51,300 S1: And I. Love that sweetly soothe the Savior's woe. You know. 401 00:23:51,340 --> 00:23:57,220 S1: Thinking about God having pain. God having anguish to the 402 00:23:57,220 --> 00:24:00,940 S1: point of sweat. Drops of blood. It just makes it 403 00:24:00,940 --> 00:24:04,899 S1: all come to the surface in our hearts, doesn't it? 404 00:24:05,180 --> 00:24:09,140 S4: Yes. And now that you highlighted the word woe. John 405 00:24:09,140 --> 00:24:12,540 S4: Donne wrote a sonnet that concludes with the idea that 406 00:24:12,580 --> 00:24:18,700 S4: in the incarnation, God became weak enough that he could suffer. Whoa! 407 00:24:19,460 --> 00:24:19,900 S2: Wow. 408 00:24:20,020 --> 00:24:22,860 S3: Oh my goodness. That he became weak enough that he 409 00:24:22,859 --> 00:24:26,700 S3: could suffer woe. And maybe sometimes we just try to 410 00:24:26,700 --> 00:24:30,510 S3: have a false strength and buck up. You know, it's 411 00:24:30,510 --> 00:24:36,629 S3: not about bucking up. It's it's settling into that and 412 00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:40,270 S3: and suffering the woe. And then Christ means so much. 413 00:24:40,430 --> 00:24:41,910 S1: I think the enemy wants. 414 00:24:41,910 --> 00:24:42,270 S2: Us. 415 00:24:42,670 --> 00:24:44,830 S1: To to buck up and to, you know, not not 416 00:24:44,830 --> 00:24:47,869 S1: that there's not a place for that to have a spine, 417 00:24:47,910 --> 00:24:50,070 S1: you know, but I think the enemy wants us to 418 00:24:50,109 --> 00:24:53,470 S1: do things in our own strength. And what Jesus was 419 00:24:53,470 --> 00:24:59,070 S1: doing in the garden was emptying himself and allowing, you know, 420 00:24:59,150 --> 00:25:02,670 S1: not my will, but thy will be done here in 421 00:25:02,670 --> 00:25:06,270 S1: this time, in what is ahead, which what must have 422 00:25:06,270 --> 00:25:08,670 S1: been anguish. And I want to ask you, Rosie, about 423 00:25:08,670 --> 00:25:13,710 S1: that whole the separation of Jesus and the father. Um, 424 00:25:14,430 --> 00:25:16,030 S1: I don't know how much we can get into the 425 00:25:16,030 --> 00:25:19,109 S1: theological there, because I've heard that and heard that it's like. 426 00:25:19,150 --> 00:25:21,790 S1: And the two Michaels have said, no, wait, now time out. 427 00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:25,310 S1: You know, that that that's not going to happen. So anyway, 428 00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:27,530 S1: when I get to that. And I'm going to take 429 00:25:27,530 --> 00:25:31,169 S1: your calls too, today. If there's something rolling around your soul. 430 00:25:31,210 --> 00:25:36,010 S1: On this Maundy Thursday, maybe a hymn that you remember 431 00:25:36,210 --> 00:25:38,530 S1: that you want to bring up or a poem of 432 00:25:38,810 --> 00:25:49,290 S1: of some kind. Eight. Seven. 75483675 is our number (877) 548-3675 433 00:25:49,290 --> 00:26:04,650 S1: more with rosy straight ahead on Moody Radio. We're going 434 00:26:04,650 --> 00:26:07,930 S1: to Gethsemane today on Chris Fabry live doctor. Rosalee de 435 00:26:07,930 --> 00:26:12,170 S1: Rose is with us. And of course, after Gethsemane and 436 00:26:12,210 --> 00:26:17,250 S1: that night and then the trials, the mock trials, they 437 00:26:17,290 --> 00:26:24,330 S1: were the injustice. They crucified him. And so you cannot 438 00:26:24,330 --> 00:26:29,790 S1: look at this. This dinner that they have, this Seder 439 00:26:29,790 --> 00:26:35,030 S1: that they share together. Without seeing, you know, at the time, 440 00:26:35,030 --> 00:26:38,510 S1: they didn't know that that was going to happen. Uh, 441 00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:41,950 S1: the disciples, they thought, here's another Seder. We've done this 442 00:26:41,950 --> 00:26:45,830 S1: before with Jesus. It's going to be the same. And 443 00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:48,709 S1: then they went out to the to the garden, which they. 444 00:26:48,750 --> 00:26:51,990 S1: Had done before as well. It's this is the same. 445 00:26:52,190 --> 00:26:56,270 S1: This is following a pattern. But. You know, watch and pray. 446 00:26:56,310 --> 00:27:00,590 S1: Stay with me. And they couldn't keep their eyes open. They. 447 00:27:00,830 --> 00:27:05,629 S1: You know. So, um, you can't see this night without 448 00:27:06,109 --> 00:27:09,430 S1: looking back, without looking at what happened the next day. Right? 449 00:27:09,470 --> 00:27:09,710 S2: No. 450 00:27:09,710 --> 00:27:15,790 S3: You can't. They're intricately connected. Yeah. It's a continuous narrative. 451 00:27:16,109 --> 00:27:20,669 S1: You've brought a Frederick Buechner poem or ideas. 452 00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:21,190 S2: Thoughts. 453 00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:22,389 S1: Musings. Tell me about. 454 00:27:22,390 --> 00:27:22,630 S2: It. 455 00:27:22,830 --> 00:27:28,090 S3: Well, Calvin Miller, the old Baptist preacher writer, uh, said once, 456 00:27:28,090 --> 00:27:30,369 S3: one cannot even begin to understand the life of Christ 457 00:27:30,369 --> 00:27:33,210 S3: without understanding his death. And it's very easy to say, 458 00:27:33,210 --> 00:27:35,850 S3: I don't think he said it easily. But Frederick Buechner, 459 00:27:35,850 --> 00:27:38,969 S3: who is always thoughtful, I don't agree with everything Buechner writes, 460 00:27:38,970 --> 00:27:44,050 S3: but he wonders about what passed before Christ Christ's eyes 461 00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:47,530 S3: on the cross. And it's the idea of what goes. 462 00:27:47,570 --> 00:27:49,810 S3: If you've ever been close to somebody dying or been 463 00:27:49,810 --> 00:27:51,570 S3: there with them in the dying process, what are they 464 00:27:51,570 --> 00:27:54,130 S3: thinking about? What comes up? And it is it is 465 00:27:54,130 --> 00:27:58,410 S3: really something if you've been through that and he was 466 00:27:58,410 --> 00:28:01,490 S3: losing his life and in his humanity, we are. So 467 00:28:02,130 --> 00:28:05,370 S3: I think we believe so often that he didn't go 468 00:28:05,369 --> 00:28:08,570 S3: through it like a normal person. He was fully human 469 00:28:08,570 --> 00:28:11,850 S3: and fully divine. And we have to believe that he did. 470 00:28:12,250 --> 00:28:14,850 S3: And what could he have thought about what things he 471 00:28:14,850 --> 00:28:18,290 S3: had said to someone, how they responded? You know, the 472 00:28:18,290 --> 00:28:21,090 S3: things that go through our head even when we're in crisis, 473 00:28:21,090 --> 00:28:23,750 S3: how it gets us down to the very edge of things. 474 00:28:23,869 --> 00:28:28,110 S3: A growing sense of his destiny, Buechner says he hopes 475 00:28:28,109 --> 00:28:32,030 S3: he remembered the good times the healings were. The gratitude 476 00:28:32,030 --> 00:28:35,510 S3: of those he healed was huge. The woman with the 477 00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:40,310 S3: issue of blood. Jairus daughter, the blind man who leaped about. 478 00:28:40,390 --> 00:28:43,590 S3: I mean the incredible healing of the madmen of the 479 00:28:43,630 --> 00:28:47,430 S3: Nazarenes about whom Tracy wrote, wrote a whole novel, and 480 00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:49,990 S3: how much he wanted to never be far away from Jesus. 481 00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:53,830 S3: Did he think about those, uh. Or could he? Or 482 00:28:53,870 --> 00:28:56,070 S3: what could have seemed like the failure of the last 483 00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:58,510 S3: days when only a handful gathered to watch him enter 484 00:28:58,510 --> 00:29:02,350 S3: the city on the foal of a donkey? The terror 485 00:29:02,350 --> 00:29:04,630 S3: that he knew in the garden that was so fresh, 486 00:29:04,910 --> 00:29:07,390 S3: the sleeping of his disciples and his humanity. He had 487 00:29:07,390 --> 00:29:11,510 S3: to have felt so hurt by the fact they could 488 00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:16,390 S3: not stay awake. They somehow had caught no sense of his, 489 00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:19,990 S3: the impending passion. I mean Mary of Bethany, who wept 490 00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:23,690 S3: over his feet, who entered? You know, in Mark 14, uh, 491 00:29:24,050 --> 00:29:29,690 S3: a boy's club without the benefit of Danish and coffee and, uh, 492 00:29:29,930 --> 00:29:34,330 S3: and just absolutely instinctively broke the perfume. And. And what 493 00:29:34,330 --> 00:29:36,730 S3: was it supposed to be? Cheap perfume. Judas is complaining, 494 00:29:36,730 --> 00:29:40,370 S3: and the disciples are complaining, and they couldn't do it. 495 00:29:40,370 --> 00:29:43,730 S3: They couldn't be with him. And the terror he must 496 00:29:43,770 --> 00:29:45,690 S3: have felt. I mean, this is death, and it's an 497 00:29:45,690 --> 00:29:48,970 S3: awful death and the sleeping of his disciples, as I said. 498 00:29:49,290 --> 00:29:52,130 S3: And then Buechner says, and the God in him, moving 499 00:29:52,130 --> 00:29:55,090 S3: his swollen lips to forgive them all. 500 00:29:55,570 --> 00:29:56,010 S2: MM. 501 00:29:56,730 --> 00:30:01,330 S3: That is so powerful. And, uh, I think what we 502 00:30:01,330 --> 00:30:05,290 S3: need to understand is that there is no experience, no 503 00:30:05,290 --> 00:30:09,969 S3: diagnosis of people that we love or our own diagnosis, 504 00:30:10,130 --> 00:30:13,770 S3: no loss. And there are horrendous losses. I think about 505 00:30:13,770 --> 00:30:16,770 S3: the girl who was just killed near my house on 506 00:30:16,770 --> 00:30:21,910 S3: a pier, um, you know, execution style. Uh, Christian girl, 507 00:30:22,270 --> 00:30:25,310 S3: part of crew. What the parents feel about that, right 508 00:30:25,310 --> 00:30:29,670 S3: at this time of year. Those losses that that that occur, uh, 509 00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:33,670 S3: that the, the diminishment of age. You know, I'm beginning 510 00:30:33,670 --> 00:30:37,030 S3: to know about that. He knew them. He felt them. 511 00:30:37,030 --> 00:30:39,350 S3: He mourned over them. We can mourn over them. What 512 00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:43,350 S3: was he thinking? And yet we have to come especially 513 00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:46,710 S3: to forgiveness of all those dark things. And forgiveness is 514 00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:51,190 S3: such a result of humility. It is. I feel every 515 00:30:51,230 --> 00:30:53,430 S3: day of my life I need to continue to forgive 516 00:30:53,470 --> 00:30:57,630 S3: as I am forgiven. And I think of William Cooper, 517 00:30:57,830 --> 00:31:01,150 S3: who wrote so many beautiful hymns and there is much 518 00:31:01,150 --> 00:31:04,070 S3: written about him, but he suffered lifelong depression. When my 519 00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:07,950 S3: students read his short autobiography written by a Christian writer 520 00:31:07,950 --> 00:31:10,469 S3: in Christianity Today many years ago, they say, was he 521 00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:13,550 S3: even a Christian? I mean, he was contemplating suicide. He 522 00:31:13,550 --> 00:31:17,230 S3: was always terribly depressed. He probably would have been diagnosed 523 00:31:17,230 --> 00:31:20,890 S3: bipolar or some other category, and probably medicated and never 524 00:31:20,890 --> 00:31:24,530 S3: written a good hymn, I might add. But he continued 525 00:31:24,530 --> 00:31:27,770 S3: throughout it all and kept coming up like a bad 526 00:31:27,770 --> 00:31:30,610 S3: penny with one of these beautiful hymns that showed his 527 00:31:30,610 --> 00:31:33,730 S3: belief out of emotional neediness. And one of the great 528 00:31:33,730 --> 00:31:36,770 S3: ones is there is a fountain filled with blood drawn 529 00:31:36,770 --> 00:31:41,650 S3: from immanuel's veins, and sinners plunged beneath that blood flood 530 00:31:41,650 --> 00:31:45,970 S3: lose all their guilty stains. The dying thief rejoiced to 531 00:31:46,010 --> 00:31:49,690 S3: see that fountain in his day. And there may I, 532 00:31:50,050 --> 00:31:53,930 S3: as vile as he wash all my sins away. E'er 533 00:31:53,930 --> 00:31:58,210 S3: since by faith I saw the stream. Thy flowing wounds supply. 534 00:31:58,410 --> 00:32:03,050 S3: Redeeming love has been my theme. And shall be till 535 00:32:03,050 --> 00:32:03,890 S3: I die. 536 00:32:06,410 --> 00:32:09,170 S1: And. And you pronounce his name correctly too. And I've 537 00:32:09,170 --> 00:32:11,450 S1: always looked at it C o w p e r. 538 00:32:11,490 --> 00:32:13,290 S1: And I called him Casper for so long. 539 00:32:13,330 --> 00:32:14,930 S2: And it's Cooper. I think it is Cooper. 540 00:32:14,930 --> 00:32:18,790 S1: Cooper yeah, I agree. Okay, so so back to then 541 00:32:18,830 --> 00:32:21,390 S1: the two Michaels and we have talked about this and 542 00:32:21,390 --> 00:32:23,270 S1: we'll probably talk about it in a couple of weeks. 543 00:32:23,670 --> 00:32:28,950 S1: But the, the abandonment of, of Jesus on the cross 544 00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:33,070 S1: that the father, there was separation there. And what the 545 00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:38,350 S1: Michaels say is when Jesus cried from the cross, My God, 546 00:32:38,350 --> 00:32:41,950 S1: my God, why have you forsaken me? What he was 547 00:32:41,950 --> 00:32:47,590 S1: doing is quoting Psalm 22, which says exactly those things 548 00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:50,630 S1: from Psalm of David. My God, my God, why have 549 00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:53,270 S1: you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me? 550 00:32:53,310 --> 00:32:57,590 S1: From the words of my groaning? And verse eight, he 551 00:32:57,590 --> 00:33:00,790 S1: trusts in the Lord. Let him deliver him. Let him 552 00:33:00,790 --> 00:33:03,670 S1: rescue him, for he delights in him. You can see 553 00:33:03,670 --> 00:33:07,310 S1: those all who see me mock me. They make mouths 554 00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:11,310 S1: at me. They wag their heads. Jesus was living the 555 00:33:11,310 --> 00:33:16,160 S1: reality of Psalm 22 there on the cross, And I 556 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:22,600 S1: think what they would say is that this going because 557 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,760 S1: the Michael Rudnick says that the the Psalms are Jesus 558 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,240 S1: hymn book. You know, this is this is what he read. 559 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,560 S1: This is what he lived, uh, his faith through as 560 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,560 S1: he was reading the Old Testament, reading the, the Psalter, um, 561 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,200 S1: but that him quoting, My God, my God, why have 562 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:48,480 S1: you forsaken me? Didn't mean total separation from God in 563 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,960 S1: the Godhead, that there was a separation there that, um, 564 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,040 S1: that it was, uh, and this is one of the things, 565 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,040 S1: while some argue that temporary break occurred in the Trinity, 566 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,800 S1: others maintained the father did not literally abandon the son 567 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,160 S1: as the bond between them is eternal. Rather, Jesus was 568 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:12,240 S1: experiencing the consequence of sin separation from God on behalf 569 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:18,859 S1: of humanity. So enter into that theological realm there. 570 00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:21,140 S3: I'm going to I'm going to take a little different approach. 571 00:34:21,140 --> 00:34:22,779 S3: I think that's all very well and good. And it's 572 00:34:22,780 --> 00:34:24,940 S3: probably very good theology. And I don't argue with that. 573 00:34:24,940 --> 00:34:28,060 S3: I don't argue with Doctor Dalynick, but I one of 574 00:34:28,060 --> 00:34:30,779 S3: the things I would say, he felt completely separated. 575 00:34:30,820 --> 00:34:31,340 S2: Yes. 576 00:34:31,380 --> 00:34:35,980 S3: He felt abandonment in his humanity, regardless of the reality, 577 00:34:36,020 --> 00:34:39,339 S3: which is really, really the metaphor, not the metaphor, the 578 00:34:39,340 --> 00:34:42,260 S3: way it is with us. We feel abandoned by God. 579 00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:44,900 S3: I talked to kids all the time that feel abandoned 580 00:34:44,900 --> 00:34:48,380 S3: by God. They are. They feel it. They are not abandoned. 581 00:34:48,580 --> 00:34:52,299 S3: But it's important that they know that even Christ felt 582 00:34:52,300 --> 00:34:54,340 S3: that whether he was or not. 583 00:34:55,980 --> 00:35:00,460 S1: Bingo. Absolutely. The same way that we've just talked about 584 00:35:00,460 --> 00:35:01,780 S1: at Lazarus grave. 585 00:35:01,820 --> 00:35:02,340 S2: Exactly. 586 00:35:02,380 --> 00:35:06,540 S1: He felt the the, the weight and the the boiling 587 00:35:06,580 --> 00:35:11,060 S1: anger to at sin and at what death did, uh, 588 00:35:11,140 --> 00:35:14,880 S1: in Gethsemane, those sweat drops of blood didn't come because 589 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,239 S1: he worked them up. No, it's because he genuinely felt that. 590 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,720 S1: And when he's on the cross, he genuinely felt forsaken. 591 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:29,200 S1: That that God had had left him there knowing. Now 592 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,640 S1: here's the other thing. Knowing that he had prayed not 593 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,839 S1: my will, but thy will be done. Knowing this was 594 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,800 S1: the will of the father did not keep him from 595 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,440 S1: experiencing it. 596 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:43,440 S2: That right? 597 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,560 S3: Exactly right. That's exactly right. I mean, that is the point. 598 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,080 S3: I mean, I while I think that we we have 599 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,560 S3: a very difficult time balancing the divine and the human. 600 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,960 S3: But he was fully human. He he felt it. He 601 00:35:58,960 --> 00:35:59,640 S3: felt it. 602 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,440 S1: He did. And and why did he feel it? Why 603 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,279 S1: did he do this? You know, he he did it 604 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,480 S1: for you and me. He did it to pay the 605 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,780 S1: penalty that we could not pay. Absolutely. But I think 606 00:36:14,820 --> 00:36:19,339 S1: the the deeper answer, even before even underneath that is 607 00:36:20,020 --> 00:36:22,259 S1: this is the will of the father. 608 00:36:22,260 --> 00:36:23,860 S2: This is what he asked. 609 00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:28,219 S1: He was obedient unto death. And what was the result 610 00:36:28,219 --> 00:36:33,980 S1: of that? Our redemption, yes, but also the name Philippians two. 611 00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:37,259 S1: He is given the name above every other name. Every 612 00:36:37,260 --> 00:36:41,540 S1: knee will bow, every tongue confess. So there is a 613 00:36:41,660 --> 00:36:45,180 S1: hierarchy of things that happen because of that. And it 614 00:36:45,180 --> 00:36:49,500 S1: just so happens that we are able to plunge beneath 615 00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:53,580 S1: the flood and lose all their guilty stains because of 616 00:36:53,580 --> 00:36:54,300 S1: what he did. 617 00:36:54,500 --> 00:36:55,460 S2: Right? Exactly. 618 00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:57,219 S3: It's a resounding yes. 619 00:36:58,100 --> 00:36:59,660 S5: And that's what we're celebrating. 620 00:36:59,660 --> 00:37:03,739 S1: And so I want to take the last part of 621 00:37:03,739 --> 00:37:07,940 S1: our program today and, and enter into that what Jesus 622 00:37:07,940 --> 00:37:12,160 S1: did and make it clear what the gospel is and isn't. 623 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,920 S1: Doctor Rosalee De Rose is with us today. If you 624 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,600 S1: go to Chris farrell.org, look at click through today's information. 625 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,080 S1: You'll see her book. If you haven't read UN Seduced 626 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,120 S1: and Unshaken The Place of Dignity in a Woman's Choices, 627 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,920 S1: you need to. It's our featured resource today. Chris Fabry 628 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:50,040 S1: dot more straight ahead on Moody Radio. Isn't it interesting 629 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,479 S1: that at the cross, those who are talked about. There's 630 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:59,000 S1: only one disciple who's mentioned at the cross. It's John, 631 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,400 S1: unless I'm mistaken about that. But there are several women 632 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,200 S1: who are mentioned. And Liz Curtis Higgs is going to 633 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,160 S1: be with us tomorrow. This is from a Best-of broadcast 634 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,060 S1: from a few years. Good. Few good Fridays ago. I'm 635 00:38:11,060 --> 00:38:14,819 S1: going to play again as we look at that. And 636 00:38:14,860 --> 00:38:18,219 S1: what happened on the cross through the eyes of the 637 00:38:18,219 --> 00:38:20,540 S1: women who were there. So that's what we're going to 638 00:38:20,540 --> 00:38:23,300 S1: do tomorrow. Today. Doctor Rosalie De Rossi is with us. 639 00:38:23,580 --> 00:38:26,540 S1: Kelly is in Tennessee. Kelly, tell me why you called. 640 00:38:27,660 --> 00:38:31,739 S6: Well, I called because I'm interested in the conversation you 641 00:38:31,739 --> 00:38:33,180 S6: were having about humility. 642 00:38:35,140 --> 00:38:35,660 S3: Okay. 643 00:38:36,620 --> 00:38:37,340 S7: Tell me more. 644 00:38:38,020 --> 00:38:42,339 S6: Well, a few weeks ago, I was diagnosed with brain cancer. 645 00:38:43,620 --> 00:38:48,739 S6: And that humbles you quick because you realize that you 646 00:38:48,739 --> 00:38:51,540 S6: can only do what you can do, and you have 647 00:38:51,540 --> 00:38:53,140 S6: to leave the rest up to God. 648 00:38:53,260 --> 00:38:54,940 S2: Mhm. Mhm. 649 00:38:55,860 --> 00:39:00,219 S6: And I think Jesus and I don't presume to speak 650 00:39:00,219 --> 00:39:04,819 S6: for Jesus, but I think at Gethsemane, he had the 651 00:39:04,820 --> 00:39:08,560 S6: same realization. He could he was doing what he needed 652 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:13,000 S6: to do and trusting the rest to God. To his father. 653 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,080 S6: And so that's that's where I am this Easter. I'm, 654 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,399 S6: I'm glad that God loves me and that, you know, 655 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,399 S6: he he's in charge of everything. No matter how much 656 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:28,320 S6: I want to be. 657 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:29,960 S2: Yeah. 658 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,040 S3: I think that you probably could add to the discussion 659 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:37,440 S3: on humility. You're living something very, very profound and very hard. 660 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,400 S3: And I hope that you will write things down as 661 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,440 S3: you go through this very dark time. 662 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,719 S2: Yes. Kelly. 663 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:51,440 S1: Um, what are you praying for? Before I, before I, 664 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,239 S1: you know, jump in here and say, well, we're going 665 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,400 S1: to pray for well, what do you pray for? 666 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,000 S6: Well, I, I'm praying for physical healing. 667 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:00,280 S3: Of course. 668 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,759 S6: Um, but if I'm not physically healed, I'm with Jesus. 669 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:10,100 S6: So I win. Yeah. I'm just I'm really praying for 670 00:40:10,100 --> 00:40:13,220 S6: my physical healing. And if that's not the father's will. 671 00:40:13,219 --> 00:40:15,020 S6: I pray for the ones that love me, that I 672 00:40:15,060 --> 00:40:15,940 S6: leave behind. 673 00:40:15,980 --> 00:40:16,500 S3: Yeah. 674 00:40:16,860 --> 00:40:17,420 S7: Bingo. 675 00:40:18,180 --> 00:40:18,819 S2: That's. 676 00:40:18,980 --> 00:40:22,500 S1: That's the hardest, isn't it? The to know that you 677 00:40:22,500 --> 00:40:24,540 S1: have no control over. Right. 678 00:40:25,700 --> 00:40:29,859 S6: Yeah. I don't. Not one bit. Except doing what my 679 00:40:29,860 --> 00:40:33,020 S6: doctors tell me. And being a good steward of that. 680 00:40:33,260 --> 00:40:33,820 S2: Right. 681 00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:38,700 S1: Uh, let's just pause right here. This is the perfect time. Uh, Rosie, 682 00:40:38,739 --> 00:40:40,979 S1: would you would you pray for Kelly and what she's 683 00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:41,580 S1: going through? 684 00:40:42,540 --> 00:40:45,739 S3: Father, I pray for Kelly and great humility. I am 685 00:40:45,739 --> 00:40:49,020 S3: not in her situation, though. I have just come through 686 00:40:49,020 --> 00:40:53,220 S3: the the sickness and passing of a very young woman 687 00:40:53,219 --> 00:40:55,339 S3: I've known. But I just pray for her. I pray 688 00:40:55,340 --> 00:40:59,660 S3: for courage. I pray for her real awareness that Christ 689 00:40:59,660 --> 00:41:04,140 S3: is with her, that she doesn't need to sentimentalize it, 690 00:41:04,140 --> 00:41:06,440 S3: that she can mourn it and at the same time 691 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,560 S3: rest in him? I pray for the doctors who are 692 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,960 S3: helping her for great wisdom, and I pray for beautiful 693 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,520 S3: times with the people that she loves. In Jesus name, Amen. 694 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,280 S8: Oh. Thank you. 695 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:19,080 S7: Yes. 696 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,400 S2: And the wrestling. 697 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,319 S1: The wrestling that we, uh, Doctor Ryken talked about a 698 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,840 S1: little earlier in that poem that he read the wrestling 699 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,360 S1: in the garden. It's okay for you to wrestle with 700 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,400 S1: this and and to let other people in on the 701 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,000 S1: wrestling and which is what you've done for us here today. Kelly. 702 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:40,920 S6: Mhm. Thank you. 703 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:42,480 S1: Thank you for doing that. 704 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:47,000 S6: Well, you know, we we are all adopted children of 705 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:51,280 S6: the Lord. And if one of us, you know, needs 706 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,759 S6: a prayer or needs a hand, we're supposed to be 707 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:54,840 S6: there to do that. 708 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,320 S2: Mhm. Mhm. 709 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:56,760 S7: Yeah. 710 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,720 S1: And that's that's what I'm thinking about, too. That's where 711 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,100 S1: you got choked up. It's not about you. It's the 712 00:42:04,100 --> 00:42:06,660 S1: people that you love and who love you, right? 713 00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:08,380 S6: Correct. 714 00:42:08,420 --> 00:42:08,900 S2: Yeah. 715 00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:09,460 S7: Yeah. 716 00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:11,660 S6: Correct. I'm not choked up anymore. I'm good. 717 00:42:13,860 --> 00:42:14,620 S1: Well, Kelly. 718 00:42:14,660 --> 00:42:19,660 S6: I do I do want to say, um, one other thing. Um, 719 00:42:19,820 --> 00:42:23,379 S6: I wasn't going to listen to your program today. I was, 720 00:42:23,420 --> 00:42:26,620 S6: I'm in the middle of everything of doctor's appointments and everything. 721 00:42:26,940 --> 00:42:29,460 S6: I didn't have time, but I made time when I 722 00:42:29,460 --> 00:42:30,980 S6: heard the title of that book. 723 00:42:32,500 --> 00:42:33,020 S2: Yeah. 724 00:42:33,060 --> 00:42:34,540 S6: Because I'm in my 50s. 725 00:42:35,020 --> 00:42:35,420 S5: Ah. 726 00:42:37,060 --> 00:42:39,900 S7: You know what? If you hold on. Kelly. 727 00:42:42,140 --> 00:42:44,700 S1: I want to send this to you on a fast track. 728 00:42:44,860 --> 00:42:47,100 S1: Not old, not young, not done. We're going to do that. 729 00:42:47,100 --> 00:42:49,340 S1: So Tricia will get your information. But go ahead, finish 730 00:42:49,340 --> 00:42:50,140 S1: your sentence. 731 00:42:50,620 --> 00:42:52,980 S6: Yeah. Because I don't think God's done with me. 732 00:42:55,219 --> 00:42:56,540 S3: Oh, of course not. 733 00:42:57,940 --> 00:42:59,340 S1: And he's proved it today. 734 00:42:59,540 --> 00:42:59,980 S2: Yeah. 735 00:43:00,420 --> 00:43:03,190 S1: He's proved it today with this conversation that we've had. 736 00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:07,830 S1: He's not done with you. And it doesn't matter how 737 00:43:07,870 --> 00:43:11,350 S1: done you may feel, he's not. Because all you, all 738 00:43:11,350 --> 00:43:13,549 S1: you bring to him is what you have and who 739 00:43:13,590 --> 00:43:16,710 S1: you are. So. All right, Kelly, you hang on. Tricia's 740 00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:18,350 S1: going to get your information, and we're going to send 741 00:43:18,350 --> 00:43:21,590 S1: you a copy of Christopher Ash's book. Not old, not young. 742 00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:26,230 S1: Not done. Thank you for calling today, my friend. Um. 743 00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:33,190 S1: Tis midnight. The Savior wrestles lone with fears. Um, that's 744 00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:35,669 S1: what rolls around as I think about what Kelly was 745 00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:38,790 S1: talking about. Rosie. I've got three minutes left. What do 746 00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:40,350 S1: you want to read for us? 747 00:43:40,830 --> 00:43:45,469 S3: Well, maybe I should read the C.S. Lewis wonderful resurrection 748 00:43:45,469 --> 00:43:49,750 S3: of Aslan. He's with Lucy and Susan, which is appropriate 749 00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:52,430 S3: because the women were there. You know, I feel my 750 00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:54,910 S3: strength coming back to me. Oh, children, catch me if 751 00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:57,750 S3: you can. He stood for a second, his eyes very bright, 752 00:43:57,750 --> 00:44:01,330 S3: his lips quivering, lashing himself with his tail. Then he 753 00:44:01,330 --> 00:44:03,569 S3: made a leap high over their heads and landed on 754 00:44:03,570 --> 00:44:06,210 S3: the other side of the table, laughing, even though she 755 00:44:06,210 --> 00:44:08,970 S3: didn't know why. Lucy scrambled over it to reach him. 756 00:44:09,250 --> 00:44:12,890 S3: Aislinn leaped again. A mad chase began round and round 757 00:44:12,890 --> 00:44:15,130 S3: the hilltop. He led them, and now hopelessly out of 758 00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:17,969 S3: their reach, now letting them almost catch his tail. Now 759 00:44:18,010 --> 00:44:20,890 S3: diving between them, now, tossing them in the air with 760 00:44:20,890 --> 00:44:24,410 S3: his huge and beautifully velvety paws, and catching them over 761 00:44:24,410 --> 00:44:27,250 S3: and over again, stopping unexpectedly so that all three of 762 00:44:27,250 --> 00:44:29,810 S3: them rolled over together in a laughing heap of fur 763 00:44:29,969 --> 00:44:32,650 S3: and arms and legs. And it was such a romp 764 00:44:32,650 --> 00:44:35,609 S3: as no one has ever had except in Narnia. And 765 00:44:35,610 --> 00:44:37,930 S3: whether it was more like playing with a thunderstorm or 766 00:44:37,930 --> 00:44:40,770 S3: playing with a kitten, Lucy could never make up her mind. 767 00:44:41,130 --> 00:44:43,490 S3: And the funny thing was that when all three finally 768 00:44:43,489 --> 00:44:46,770 S3: lay together panting in the sun, the girls no longer 769 00:44:46,770 --> 00:44:50,850 S3: fell in the least bit tired or hungry or thirsty. 770 00:44:51,730 --> 00:44:54,650 S3: And that is resurrection. And in the words of Clarence 771 00:44:54,650 --> 00:44:58,730 S3: Jordan too, in raising Jesus from the dead, God is 772 00:44:58,730 --> 00:45:01,910 S3: refusing to take our no for an answer. He is saying, 773 00:45:01,910 --> 00:45:04,430 S3: you can kill my boy, but I'm going to raise 774 00:45:04,430 --> 00:45:06,430 S3: him from the dead and put him right smack dab 775 00:45:06,430 --> 00:45:09,270 S3: down there on earth again. It is God saying, I 776 00:45:09,310 --> 00:45:11,870 S3: am not taking no for an answer. I'm going to 777 00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:14,509 S3: raise him up, plant his feet on the earth, and 778 00:45:14,510 --> 00:45:18,109 S3: put him to preaching, teaching, and healing again. 779 00:45:19,870 --> 00:45:24,750 S1: I love that Aslan, that that scene there. And it 780 00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:27,150 S1: reminds me of the woman at the well. You know, 781 00:45:27,550 --> 00:45:30,230 S1: you drink this water, you'll get thirsty again. You drink 782 00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:33,750 S1: the water that I it'll spring up within you. And 783 00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:35,989 S1: that's where, you know, I said I wanted to, to 784 00:45:36,030 --> 00:45:39,310 S1: talk about the gospel. That's why we get it wrong that. Okay, 785 00:45:39,350 --> 00:45:41,630 S1: God did such great things for us. We got to 786 00:45:41,630 --> 00:45:45,230 S1: do great things for God to kind of even the score. 787 00:45:45,590 --> 00:45:49,310 S1: The scales never balance out, friend. It's not about balancing 788 00:45:49,310 --> 00:45:54,870 S1: the scales. He did this wonderful thing for you, for me, 789 00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:59,930 S1: so that we could be fully restored, fully redeemed, fully 790 00:45:59,930 --> 00:46:04,489 S1: forgiven and not add an ounce of anything from us. 791 00:46:04,489 --> 00:46:08,250 S1: We receive it and then we begin to live it out. 792 00:46:08,530 --> 00:46:10,450 S1: Which is why he gave him a new command. I 793 00:46:10,489 --> 00:46:13,210 S1: give you a new command. Love one another just as 794 00:46:13,210 --> 00:46:16,490 S1: I have loved you. You must also love one another. 795 00:46:16,489 --> 00:46:18,649 S1: By this all people will know that you are my 796 00:46:18,650 --> 00:46:22,810 S1: disciples if you have love for one another. Isn't that 797 00:46:22,810 --> 00:46:26,370 S1: a great picture? And the washing of the feet is 798 00:46:26,370 --> 00:46:28,930 S1: a part of that. And, Rosie, you've done such a 799 00:46:28,930 --> 00:46:30,970 S1: good job. I knew this was going to be good. 800 00:46:31,370 --> 00:46:35,410 S1: Thank you for coming alongside us today, friend. And friends, 801 00:46:35,410 --> 00:46:38,010 S1: pray for Kelly and for others who are going through 802 00:46:38,010 --> 00:46:40,370 S1: some of the loss that we've been talking about today. 803 00:46:40,690 --> 00:46:43,410 S1: And come on back tomorrow, we're going to the cross 804 00:46:43,410 --> 00:46:46,210 S1: with Liz Curtis Higgs and the women that are there. 805 00:46:46,530 --> 00:46:49,489 S1: Chris Fabry Live is a production of Moody Radio, a 806 00:46:49,489 --> 00:46:51,930 S1: ministry of Moody Bible Institute.