1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,480 S1: Hi friends. Thanks so much for downloading this podcast, and 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,000 S1: I hope truly that you will hear something that will encourage, edify, equip, 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,360 S1: and enlighten you to get out there and influence and 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,040 S1: occupy until he comes. And on that note, may I 5 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,080 S1: take just a few moments here to describe this month's 6 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,920 S1: truth tool? It's by pastor Jack Hibbs. He's written the 7 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,040 S1: book called Called to Take a Bold Stand. I absolutely 8 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,520 S1: love this book because it reminds us that in Christ 9 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,480 S1: all things pass away. All things become new, that we 10 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,240 S1: are standing for his truth, that we have a new nature. 11 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,080 S1: Because of him, we should be living boldly. But far 12 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,120 S1: too often we retreat out of fear from cultural blowback. 13 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,600 S1: So I want to encourage all of us to just 14 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,800 S1: stand up for Christ, to be unashamed of who we 15 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,120 S1: are in him, and to go into a culture that's 16 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,600 S1: telling us in no uncertain terms. They're lost and they're hurting. 17 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,760 S1: So if you'd like a copy of Pastor Hibbs new 18 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,400 S1: book called Call to Take a Bold Stand, just give 19 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,720 S1: a gift of any amount by calling eight, seven, seven. 20 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,680 S1: Janet 58. 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Now 39 00:01:37,310 --> 00:01:39,190 S1: please enjoy the broadcast. 40 00:01:41,990 --> 00:01:43,510 S2: Here are some of the news headlines we're watching. 41 00:01:43,830 --> 00:01:46,150 S3: The conference was over. The president won a pledge. 42 00:01:46,190 --> 00:01:48,270 S4: Americans worshiping government over God. 43 00:01:48,590 --> 00:01:52,030 S5: Extremely rare safety move by a major 17 years. 44 00:01:52,030 --> 00:01:54,030 S4: The Palestinians and Israelis negotiated. 45 00:01:56,390 --> 00:02:10,300 S5: With the. Hi friends. 46 00:02:10,300 --> 00:02:12,820 S1: Welcome to In the Market with Janet Partial. Very happy 47 00:02:12,820 --> 00:02:15,180 S1: Tuesday to you. Thanks so much for choosing to spend 48 00:02:15,180 --> 00:02:17,340 S1: the hour with us. We've got a lot of important 49 00:02:17,380 --> 00:02:19,620 S1: news to cover, but let me start with this. Tomorrow 50 00:02:19,620 --> 00:02:22,700 S1: is April Fool's Day, otherwise known as April 1st. Now 51 00:02:22,700 --> 00:02:25,060 S1: be kind, but I will tell you what that means 52 00:02:25,060 --> 00:02:28,299 S1: is tonight at midnight, this month's truth tool by pastor 53 00:02:28,300 --> 00:02:30,820 S1: Jack Hibbs goes back on the shelf and becomes truth 54 00:02:30,820 --> 00:02:34,540 S1: tool history. So today, until midnight is your very last 55 00:02:34,540 --> 00:02:36,740 S1: chance to get a copy of Call to Take a 56 00:02:36,740 --> 00:02:40,020 S1: Bold Stand. But Jack Tibbs does in this book remind 57 00:02:40,060 --> 00:02:42,340 S1: us that time is fleeting, that Jesus is coming, that 58 00:02:42,340 --> 00:02:44,700 S1: we live in a wicked and perverse generation, and yet 59 00:02:44,700 --> 00:02:47,820 S1: we are to shine like lights. So how do we 60 00:02:47,820 --> 00:02:50,780 S1: become bold in a decaying culture? Boy, would a timely 61 00:02:50,780 --> 00:02:52,780 S1: book and I'll tell you, the news of the day 62 00:02:52,820 --> 00:02:55,740 S1: can be overwhelming. Sometimes good is called evil. Evil is 63 00:02:55,740 --> 00:02:59,239 S1: called good. We condemn what was celebrated, we celebrated what 64 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,600 S1: was condemned, and now we punish those who do not 65 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,400 S1: celebrate what is condemned. This is the day in which 66 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,760 S1: we find ourselves. So are you going to be in 67 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,200 S1: but not of this world? Are you going to let 68 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,520 S1: your light so shine? Want to know how to do that? Well, 69 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,519 S1: that's what this book is designed to help you do 70 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,160 S1: to be a bright light in a dark culture. 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You can 81 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,800 S1: also become a partial partner you give every month at 82 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,880 S1: a level of your own choosing. My way of saying 83 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,160 S1: thank you. You get every month's truth tool plus a 84 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,840 S1: weekly newsletter. That's my way of saying thank you. So 85 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,320 S1: eight seven, seven. Janet 58. Or online at in the 86 00:03:55,430 --> 00:03:58,870 S1: market with Janet Parshall. So we're going to turn our attention, 87 00:03:58,870 --> 00:04:01,070 S1: as we have been for quite some time and will 88 00:04:01,270 --> 00:04:03,350 S1: for the foreseeable future. Take a look at what's going 89 00:04:03,350 --> 00:04:06,990 S1: on in Iran. And now we have some Gulf states 90 00:04:06,990 --> 00:04:09,470 S1: that are urging President Trump to keep up the fight 91 00:04:09,470 --> 00:04:13,230 S1: with Iran. Here is CBN news Julie Stahl with a report. 92 00:04:13,470 --> 00:04:17,190 S6: U.S. Gulf allies are privately urging President Trump to keep 93 00:04:17,190 --> 00:04:22,190 S6: up the fight against Iran, reports say officials from Saudi Arabia, UAE, 94 00:04:22,230 --> 00:04:26,229 S6: Kuwait and Bahrain, who spoke on condition of anonymity, say 95 00:04:26,230 --> 00:04:29,310 S6: their countries do not want the war to stop until 96 00:04:29,310 --> 00:04:34,630 S6: the Iranian leadership is significantly changed or their behavior shifts dramatically. 97 00:04:34,830 --> 00:04:38,830 S6: In a Truth Social post, Trump said great progress is 98 00:04:38,830 --> 00:04:41,589 S6: being made in talks with Iran. But if a deal 99 00:04:41,589 --> 00:04:45,710 S6: isn't reached shortly and the Strait of Hormuz immediately reopened, 100 00:04:45,750 --> 00:04:50,710 S6: the U.S. would broaden its offensive by completely obliterating power plants, 101 00:04:50,710 --> 00:04:55,900 S6: oil wells, Kharg Island and possibly even desalination plants. Still, 102 00:04:55,900 --> 00:04:59,700 S6: the Wall Street Journal reports Trump has told aides he's 103 00:04:59,700 --> 00:05:03,300 S6: willing to end the fighting against Iran without reopening the 104 00:05:03,300 --> 00:05:07,700 S6: Strait of Hormuz, because that complex operation would push the 105 00:05:07,700 --> 00:05:12,140 S6: warfare beyond his timeline. But consumers in the U.S. remain 106 00:05:12,140 --> 00:05:15,180 S6: concerned about the price of gas, which is now over 107 00:05:15,180 --> 00:05:19,419 S6: $4 a gallon. Iran kept up its missile launches against 108 00:05:19,420 --> 00:05:23,900 S6: Israel today, including several impacts in central Israel that caused 109 00:05:23,900 --> 00:05:27,500 S6: damage to buildings and cars, and lightly wounded at least 110 00:05:27,500 --> 00:05:31,980 S6: six people, including children. Secretary of State Marco Rubio told 111 00:05:31,980 --> 00:05:36,179 S6: Good Morning America it's important to remember the war's objectives. 112 00:05:36,180 --> 00:05:40,339 S7: We are destroying Iran's navy. We are destroying their ability, 113 00:05:40,380 --> 00:05:43,060 S7: their missile launchers, by a significant percentage. We're going to 114 00:05:43,100 --> 00:05:45,460 S7: wipe out their defense industrial base. There is a way 115 00:05:45,460 --> 00:05:48,060 S7: forward here to achieve our objectives. We are going to 116 00:05:48,060 --> 00:05:50,620 S7: achieve our objectives in a matter of weeks, not months. 117 00:05:50,860 --> 00:05:55,010 S6: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says the war has achieved 118 00:05:55,010 --> 00:05:59,050 S6: more than half its goals. However, in an interview with Newsmax, 119 00:05:59,050 --> 00:06:01,529 S6: he said he wouldn't put a time frame on when 120 00:06:01,529 --> 00:06:04,250 S6: the war would end. Since the beginning of the war, 121 00:06:04,290 --> 00:06:07,650 S6: the Israeli air force has dropped more than 13,000 bombs 122 00:06:07,650 --> 00:06:11,730 S6: on the Iranian regime and military sites and conducted hundreds 123 00:06:11,730 --> 00:06:15,890 S6: of attacks against Hezbollah targets in Lebanon. All this as 124 00:06:15,890 --> 00:06:20,570 S6: Israelis prepare for Passover and Christians for Holy Week. Israeli 125 00:06:20,570 --> 00:06:23,930 S6: police worked out a plan with religious leaders to allow 126 00:06:23,970 --> 00:06:27,570 S6: limited services in the church of the Holy Sepulchre. Prayer 127 00:06:27,610 --> 00:06:30,930 S6: is prohibited for security reasons at the Western Wall. The 128 00:06:30,930 --> 00:06:34,570 S6: priestly blessing that usually involves tens of thousands of Jewish 129 00:06:34,570 --> 00:06:38,969 S6: people praying there will be conducted over video with 50 130 00:06:39,010 --> 00:06:43,330 S6: priests blessing Israel. Julie Stahl CBN news, Jerusalem. 131 00:06:43,490 --> 00:06:46,850 S1: Gary Lane from CBN news talks about getting Bibles into Iran. 132 00:06:46,890 --> 00:06:47,730 S1: Have a listen. 133 00:06:47,890 --> 00:06:52,029 S8: As airstrikes continue to pound Iran, Christians there are praying 134 00:06:52,029 --> 00:06:55,710 S8: for God to step in and bring freedom to their country. 135 00:06:55,750 --> 00:06:59,710 S9: They're still gathering and they're still praying. And I think 136 00:06:59,710 --> 00:07:01,950 S9: there are a lot more cautious now. They're really kind 137 00:07:01,950 --> 00:07:04,029 S9: of staying closer to home if they can. 138 00:07:04,070 --> 00:07:08,229 S8: Patrick Klein, president of Vision Beyond Borders, tells CBN news 139 00:07:08,230 --> 00:07:12,030 S8: he and his Bible smuggling team recently met in Armenia, 140 00:07:12,070 --> 00:07:14,750 S8: just a stone's throw from the Iranian border. 141 00:07:14,790 --> 00:07:17,550 S9: A lot of trucks, about a thousand oil tankers coming 142 00:07:17,550 --> 00:07:21,590 S9: across the border every day carrying oil to Western Europe. 143 00:07:21,790 --> 00:07:24,790 S9: So it's a great border. And we just went with 144 00:07:24,790 --> 00:07:26,630 S9: our team and prayed at the border and asked the 145 00:07:26,630 --> 00:07:27,950 S9: Lord to open the borders. 146 00:07:28,230 --> 00:07:31,150 S10: The doors are going to open up, and if they do, 147 00:07:31,190 --> 00:07:32,910 S10: it's going to be a flood. It's going to be 148 00:07:32,910 --> 00:07:34,030 S10: a flood that opens up. 149 00:07:34,230 --> 00:07:38,510 S8: Dirk Smith, vice president at Eastern European Mission, says his 150 00:07:38,510 --> 00:07:41,510 S8: team is ready to send a huge shipment of children's 151 00:07:41,510 --> 00:07:45,950 S8: and teen Bibles, plus other Christian books in Farsi, into Iran. 152 00:07:45,990 --> 00:07:49,030 S8: Some Christians say you may be getting ahead of God here. 153 00:07:49,030 --> 00:07:52,420 S8: They warned that civil war and insurgency could soon make 154 00:07:52,420 --> 00:07:54,980 S8: Iran too dangerous for spreading the gospel. How do you 155 00:07:54,980 --> 00:07:55,860 S8: respond to that? 156 00:07:57,460 --> 00:08:00,140 S10: Too dangerous to spread the gospel. How does that work? 157 00:08:00,620 --> 00:08:02,540 S10: I guess I would. I guess I would ask somebody, 158 00:08:02,580 --> 00:08:05,540 S10: find me the scripture. You know, we pray for safety 159 00:08:05,580 --> 00:08:08,180 S10: a lot. I find that interesting. And, you know, I 160 00:08:08,180 --> 00:08:10,060 S10: go to church and I hear, keep us safe, keep 161 00:08:10,060 --> 00:08:12,340 S10: us safe. And I'm like, I don't know that I 162 00:08:12,340 --> 00:08:15,260 S10: find that in the Bible. I don't find a prayer 163 00:08:15,260 --> 00:08:19,300 S10: for safety. How how is something too risky? Is it 164 00:08:19,340 --> 00:08:22,140 S10: is it ever too risky to share the gospel of 165 00:08:22,140 --> 00:08:23,820 S10: Jesus with someone? 166 00:08:24,020 --> 00:08:27,380 S8: Smith believes God will answer prayer in a big way, 167 00:08:27,540 --> 00:08:30,980 S8: something like a Berlin Wall moment. In other words, he 168 00:08:30,980 --> 00:08:36,179 S8: expects a historic change and dramatic breakthrough that changes everything. 169 00:08:36,220 --> 00:08:39,420 S10: Our prayer is that we're prepared. We're ready to go. 170 00:08:39,460 --> 00:08:42,460 S10: And that was what what happened when the wall came 171 00:08:42,460 --> 00:08:46,740 S10: down in 89? The opportunity came. And again, when we pray, 172 00:08:46,980 --> 00:08:50,170 S10: God will. God will open those doors. And that's what 173 00:08:50,170 --> 00:08:53,010 S10: happened when the wall came down with the Soviet Union. 174 00:08:53,010 --> 00:08:55,730 S10: We were able to walk in and and distribute hundreds 175 00:08:55,730 --> 00:08:56,850 S10: of thousands of Bibles. 176 00:08:57,090 --> 00:09:00,650 S8: Klein urges Christians worldwide to pray for a future where 177 00:09:00,650 --> 00:09:04,210 S8: every Iranian can own a Bible and read it freely. 178 00:09:04,490 --> 00:09:07,250 S9: One man just got one, and he was so grateful. 179 00:09:07,530 --> 00:09:10,290 S9: And he said, now I have the truth for myself. 180 00:09:10,290 --> 00:09:12,370 S9: I can read the Word of God anytime I want, 181 00:09:12,410 --> 00:09:15,250 S9: day or night. And he's just so grateful to have 182 00:09:15,250 --> 00:09:17,250 S9: the Word of God. We believe God is going to 183 00:09:17,250 --> 00:09:19,210 S9: change Iran, and I believe it's going to affect the 184 00:09:19,210 --> 00:09:20,490 S9: whole Islamic world. 185 00:09:20,929 --> 00:09:22,770 S8: Gary Lane, CBN news. 186 00:09:24,050 --> 00:09:25,890 S1: Lot of that going on in the world. Lots of 187 00:09:25,890 --> 00:09:28,170 S1: things to be praying about, praying for. And aren't you 188 00:09:28,170 --> 00:09:30,490 S1: glad that God called us for such a time as this? 189 00:09:30,490 --> 00:09:31,770 S1: When we come back, we're going to take a look 190 00:09:31,770 --> 00:09:35,210 S1: at what's going on on college campuses and in classrooms 191 00:09:35,210 --> 00:09:38,010 S1: all across America. This is in the market with Janet Partial. 192 00:09:38,010 --> 00:09:46,170 S1: Glad you're joining us. The Bible calls us to stand 193 00:09:46,170 --> 00:09:48,360 S1: for his truth that we are in Christ and that 194 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,120 S1: we have a new nature because of him. So why 195 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,720 S1: don't we live boldly? That's why I've chosen call to 196 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,920 S1: take a bold stand by pastor Jack Hibbs as this 197 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,520 S1: month's truth tool. Discover how to stand firmly in your 198 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,040 S1: faith and make every moment count for him. As for 199 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,120 S1: your copy of call to take a bold stand when 200 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,080 S1: you give a gift of any amount to in the market, 201 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:08,559 S1: call 877. Janet 58. That's 877. Janet 58. Or go 202 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,960 S1: to in the market with Janet dot o r g. Well, 203 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,880 S1: today is a really good day to talk with a 204 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,520 S1: lawyer because we woke up to some outstanding news this morning. 205 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,200 S1: The US Supreme Court ruled today against a Colorado law. 206 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,000 S1: What is going on in the state of Colorado? They're 207 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,440 S1: like a dog and a bone on this issue. They 208 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:32,160 S1: wanted to restrict licensed mental health professionals from having talk 209 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:36,400 S1: based therapy to people who were struggling with their sexual orientation. 210 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,160 S1: I'm not even going to use the word conversion therapy. 211 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,440 S1: That's a cudgel. It's a made up term. No Christian 212 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,320 S1: counselor that I know worth their salt even uses that. 213 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,560 S1: It's a made up term and it makes it sound 214 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:50,510 S1: like you're losing using electric prods and waterboarding, etc. it's 215 00:10:50,510 --> 00:10:53,550 S1: nothing of the sort. It's saying to somebody who struggles 216 00:10:53,550 --> 00:10:55,949 S1: and says, I don't feel good. This doesn't feel right. 217 00:10:55,950 --> 00:10:58,430 S1: I want to talk to somebody about it. Okay, well, 218 00:10:58,429 --> 00:10:59,990 S1: there are some people who don't even want you to 219 00:11:00,030 --> 00:11:02,390 S1: talk to someone who's struggling. They'd rather they be caught 220 00:11:02,390 --> 00:11:05,830 S1: in their pain, their sin, and their struggle. Not today. 221 00:11:05,830 --> 00:11:08,910 S1: The Supreme Court said 8 to 1. That's almost a 222 00:11:08,910 --> 00:11:10,670 S1: slam dunk. Will tell you the one was in a bit. 223 00:11:10,710 --> 00:11:14,390 S1: 8 to 1. Uh, sorry. There's nothing here that you 224 00:11:14,390 --> 00:11:16,310 S1: can stop. This has everything in the world to do 225 00:11:16,309 --> 00:11:19,110 S1: with free speech. And it just happened to come down on, 226 00:11:19,350 --> 00:11:23,429 S1: like there was such a thing. Transgender day of visibility. Yeah. 227 00:11:23,470 --> 00:11:25,350 S1: I didn't know there was such a thing, but apparently 228 00:11:25,350 --> 00:11:28,950 S1: there is. The High Court determined that Colorado's 2019 law 229 00:11:28,990 --> 00:11:32,230 S1: likely trampled on First Amendment protections and ruled in favor 230 00:11:32,230 --> 00:11:34,949 S1: of a Christian therapist by the name of Kayleigh Charles. 231 00:11:34,950 --> 00:11:38,990 S1: The case officially is called Charles V Salazar. And in 232 00:11:39,030 --> 00:11:42,030 S1: the 23 page. Now I want you to know that 233 00:11:42,030 --> 00:11:46,410 S1: 23 page opinion Gorsuch wrote. For the majority. Sotomayor wrote 234 00:11:46,410 --> 00:11:53,450 S1: a concurring. And Ketanji Brown Jackson was the dissent 35 235 00:11:53,450 --> 00:11:55,890 S1: pages in the dissent. More on that in a minute. 236 00:11:56,010 --> 00:11:59,050 S1: But the 8 to 1 decision says, nope, sorry, you 237 00:11:59,050 --> 00:12:01,770 S1: did some trampling here. And Gorsuch wrote, we do not 238 00:12:01,809 --> 00:12:04,970 S1: doubt that the question how to best how best to 239 00:12:05,010 --> 00:12:07,930 S1: help minors struggling with issues of gender identity or sexual 240 00:12:07,929 --> 00:12:12,530 S1: orientation is presented a subject of fierce public debate. But 241 00:12:12,530 --> 00:12:15,130 S1: he went on to say, but Colorado's law addressing, quote, 242 00:12:15,170 --> 00:12:19,490 S1: conversion therapy does not just ban physical interventions in cases 243 00:12:19,490 --> 00:12:23,730 S1: like this, it's censor speech based on viewpoint. Colorado may 244 00:12:23,730 --> 00:12:26,969 S1: regard its policy as essential to public health and safety. Certainly, 245 00:12:26,970 --> 00:12:31,329 S1: censorious governments throughout history have believed the same. Oh, touchdown. Wow. 246 00:12:31,330 --> 00:12:34,050 S1: That's really good. So this has everything to do with 247 00:12:34,050 --> 00:12:39,490 S1: free speech. And it's also about bigotry. Viewpoint discrimination. Colorado 248 00:12:39,490 --> 00:12:41,250 S1: says we don't like the way you look at the world. 249 00:12:41,250 --> 00:12:43,719 S1: Kind of like the Chicago Bulls when they don't like 250 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,040 S1: the way one particular basketball player happens to think about 251 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,040 S1: the world around them. More on that later this week. 252 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:50,920 S1: We've got lots to talk about that, by the way, 253 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,600 S1: several basketball players, several NFL players who are followers of 254 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,920 S1: Jesus Christ are coming out now strongly in support of 255 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,800 S1: Jaden Ivey. We'll talk more about that later this week. Unbelievable. 256 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,440 S1: Shame on you, Chicago Bulls. Back to the courtroom and 257 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,640 S1: off the court. Well, this is a wonderful decision and 258 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,439 S1: I don't know why so many of these keep coming 259 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,199 S1: out of the state of Colorado. So we cleared the decks. 260 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:11,680 S1: This is going to be the first thing we're talking 261 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,079 S1: about today. And it isn't even the end of the term. 262 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,400 S1: So there's still some Lollapalooza still coming down before the 263 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:17,800 S1: end of the term at the end of June. But 264 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,520 S1: this was a biggie. Sarah Perry, what a wonderful day 265 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,760 S1: to have not only a daughter who's brilliant and beautiful 266 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:24,600 S1: and follows the Lord, but also happens to know a 267 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,840 S1: thing or two about the law. She is vice president 268 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,080 S1: and legal fellow at defending editor. She's former senior counsel 269 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,720 S1: to the assistant secretary for civil rights at the US 270 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,439 S1: Department of Education. Sarah, this was a big. I almost 271 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,160 S1: called you Craig. I don't know, can't tell the lawyers 272 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,840 S1: apart from each other. Um, but this was a biggie 273 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,750 S1: today and an 8 to 1 decision. Unbelievable. Talk to 274 00:13:43,750 --> 00:13:44,470 S1: me about this. 275 00:13:45,150 --> 00:13:47,589 S11: Yeah. This is a pretty common sense decision that came 276 00:13:47,590 --> 00:13:49,510 S11: down from the Supreme Court and quite frankly, one that 277 00:13:49,510 --> 00:13:51,630 S11: I think a lot of us anticipated. And that's because 278 00:13:51,670 --> 00:13:54,190 S11: Colorado can't seem to figure out how to use the 279 00:13:54,190 --> 00:13:57,430 S11: First Amendment. In fact, its lawyers need to go back 280 00:13:57,429 --> 00:13:59,189 S11: to law school. One of the problems that we see 281 00:13:59,230 --> 00:14:03,750 S11: coming out of Colorado is an absolute avowed hostility to 282 00:14:03,790 --> 00:14:08,310 S11: any religious perspective that runs contrary to notions of sexual 283 00:14:08,309 --> 00:14:13,070 S11: orientation and gender identity. So in two cases, with masterpiece Cakeshop, 284 00:14:13,070 --> 00:14:16,150 S11: we remember Jack Phillips, the cake baker who did not 285 00:14:16,150 --> 00:14:18,910 S11: want to make a wedding cake for a same sex marriage. 286 00:14:19,030 --> 00:14:23,510 S11: We also remember 303 creative versus the Christian website designer, 287 00:14:23,510 --> 00:14:25,870 S11: who did not want to do the same for Christian 288 00:14:25,870 --> 00:14:29,630 S11: for a same sex couple. Now we've got a Christian counselor, 289 00:14:29,630 --> 00:14:33,470 S11: and once again we see Colorado attempting to throttle viewpoints. 290 00:14:33,470 --> 00:14:38,270 S11: It doesn't like. This way was through the conversion therapy ban, 291 00:14:38,310 --> 00:14:42,540 S11: which banned every clinical practice in the state of Colorado 292 00:14:42,580 --> 00:14:48,140 S11: except for those affirming. Sexual orientation and gender identity. So 293 00:14:48,140 --> 00:14:52,980 S11: right there, Colorado is selecting winners and losers under its 294 00:14:52,980 --> 00:14:57,340 S11: legal auspices. It has decided that you may only, in 295 00:14:57,340 --> 00:15:01,660 S11: your clinical practice, affirm sexual orientation and gender identity. Your 296 00:15:01,660 --> 00:15:06,260 S11: own individual, personal or religious beliefs be hanged. And no 297 00:15:06,260 --> 00:15:09,100 S11: matter what you may think are the best approaches for 298 00:15:09,100 --> 00:15:11,940 S11: a minor child, well, as you mentioned, 8 to 1 299 00:15:11,940 --> 00:15:14,980 S11: today in an opinion written by Justice Gorsuch, who, by 300 00:15:14,980 --> 00:15:20,660 S11: the way, indicated in 303 creative versus Alanis conduct versus 301 00:15:20,660 --> 00:15:23,300 S11: speech is a question that will come back to us 302 00:15:23,340 --> 00:15:25,620 S11: yet again. I don't know if he knew that came 303 00:15:25,620 --> 00:15:29,020 S11: with a money back guarantee because he was, again, the 304 00:15:29,020 --> 00:15:33,820 S11: authoring opinion in this case, great common sense, even joined 305 00:15:33,820 --> 00:15:36,060 S11: by Sotomayor and Justice Kagan. 306 00:15:36,100 --> 00:15:38,580 S1: Which I thought is significant. I wanted to point that out. 307 00:15:38,620 --> 00:15:41,530 S1: Let me get you ask you to respond to Governor 308 00:15:41,930 --> 00:15:44,770 S1: Gavin Newsom, who has presidential aspirations. So he wants to 309 00:15:44,810 --> 00:15:46,650 S1: weigh in on things, even if it's an issue that 310 00:15:46,650 --> 00:15:49,450 S1: doesn't come out of his state. So he's blasting the ruling, 311 00:15:49,690 --> 00:15:53,090 S1: and he called the practice of, quote, conversion therapy again, 312 00:15:53,090 --> 00:15:56,170 S1: a cudgel I will not use. It's a made up term. Um, 313 00:15:56,170 --> 00:16:00,250 S1: he called the practice junk science and warned that this 314 00:16:00,250 --> 00:16:04,130 S1: decision could endanger vulnerable young people. So he said this 315 00:16:04,170 --> 00:16:06,090 S1: on X and I want you to respond after the break. 316 00:16:06,090 --> 00:16:10,330 S1: Conversion therapy is discredited. Junk science that inflicts harm on 317 00:16:10,330 --> 00:16:14,170 S1: LGBTQ youth. The Supreme Court's decision is disappointing and puts 318 00:16:14,210 --> 00:16:17,410 S1: vulnerable kids at risk. I'm sorry, governor, I thought this 319 00:16:17,410 --> 00:16:22,090 S1: was about free speech and viewpoint discrimination. It wasn't about, quote, 320 00:16:22,130 --> 00:16:25,610 S1: junk science. We'll get Sarah's response when we return. Big 321 00:16:25,610 --> 00:16:28,650 S1: happenings at the court today, and it's a solid victory 322 00:16:28,650 --> 00:16:31,410 S1: for free speech. I'm glad this Christian counselor can now 323 00:16:31,450 --> 00:16:33,290 S1: tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the 324 00:16:33,290 --> 00:16:54,550 S1: truth right after this. Visiting with Sarah Perry. Yep. My daughter, 325 00:16:54,550 --> 00:16:58,030 S1: vice president and legal fellow at defending education, former senior 326 00:16:58,070 --> 00:17:00,430 S1: counsel to the assistant secretary for civil rights at the 327 00:17:00,430 --> 00:17:04,190 S1: US Department of Education. And we're talking about this wonderful 328 00:17:04,190 --> 00:17:07,020 S1: decision that came down from the Supreme Court today, 8 329 00:17:07,020 --> 00:17:10,910 S1: to 1 ruling that the Colorado law prohibiting licensed therapists 330 00:17:10,910 --> 00:17:16,670 S1: from performing talk based, quote, conversion therapy on minors again. 331 00:17:16,710 --> 00:17:20,750 S1: That is such a tortuously inappropriate word on minors likely 332 00:17:20,750 --> 00:17:23,750 S1: violates the First Amendment. Siding with a Christian counselor who 333 00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:27,389 S1: argued the restriction amounted to unconstitutional viewpoint discrimination. By the way, 334 00:17:27,390 --> 00:17:30,470 S1: for the record, more than 20 states, including California. Hence, 335 00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:33,830 S1: I guess, why Newsom's weighing in prohibit licensed therapists from 336 00:17:33,830 --> 00:17:36,900 S1: performing conversion therapy on minors. This means Jo Dallas is 337 00:17:36,900 --> 00:17:38,460 S1: free to do what he wants to do and what 338 00:17:38,460 --> 00:17:40,980 S1: God has called him to do. And California does have 339 00:17:40,980 --> 00:17:42,740 S1: a dog in this fight. They became the first state 340 00:17:42,740 --> 00:17:46,660 S1: in the union to ban this back in 2012. So, Sarah, 341 00:17:46,700 --> 00:17:49,500 S1: just to get a reaction from Newsom on this, talking 342 00:17:49,500 --> 00:17:53,500 S1: about junk science, what's junk science is lying to somebody 343 00:17:53,500 --> 00:17:56,180 S1: and telling them that they can't change that. If that's 344 00:17:56,220 --> 00:17:58,900 S1: if that's true, by the way, it belies everyone who's 345 00:17:58,900 --> 00:18:02,380 S1: detransitioned or was formerly someone who dealt with same sex 346 00:18:02,380 --> 00:18:04,900 S1: attraction but no longer does. And it makes a liar 347 00:18:04,900 --> 00:18:07,460 S1: out of the scriptures. And Brother Paul in particular, who said, 348 00:18:07,500 --> 00:18:11,380 S1: among other panoplies of sins and such were some of you. 349 00:18:11,380 --> 00:18:13,460 S1: So this is a biggie. This is a headline in 350 00:18:13,460 --> 00:18:15,619 S1: heaven as much as it is out of Washington, D.C.. 351 00:18:16,580 --> 00:18:19,020 S11: Yeah, I would agree with that wholeheartedly. In fact, what 352 00:18:19,020 --> 00:18:22,700 S11: we're seeing today is the exercise of common sense from 353 00:18:22,700 --> 00:18:25,740 S11: the start to the finish of this entire process, from 354 00:18:25,740 --> 00:18:29,179 S11: oral arguments all the way to the earliest stages of litigation. 355 00:18:29,180 --> 00:18:32,860 S11: Gorsuch recognized that the question before the court was a, quote, 356 00:18:32,900 --> 00:18:37,250 S11: narrow one. And in fact, she challenged only the application 357 00:18:37,250 --> 00:18:39,810 S11: of the law that struck at the heart of the 358 00:18:39,850 --> 00:18:44,730 S11: First Amendment's protections for pure speech. It was a very 359 00:18:44,730 --> 00:18:48,850 S11: narrow question. Kagan even wrote separately this is a liberal 360 00:18:49,210 --> 00:18:52,130 S11: who is concurring in the judgment, saying that the First 361 00:18:52,130 --> 00:18:55,970 S11: Amendment question would have been harder if Colorado had instead 362 00:18:56,010 --> 00:19:02,010 S11: enacted a content based but viewpoint neutral law instead. They 363 00:19:02,010 --> 00:19:05,970 S11: picked and chose the viewpoints that they wanted to present, 364 00:19:05,970 --> 00:19:09,210 S11: and that's a viewpoint that's in line directly with Governor 365 00:19:09,210 --> 00:19:10,129 S11: Gavin Newsom. 366 00:19:10,170 --> 00:19:13,690 S1: Yeah, exactly. Let's talk about the dissent, because it's historic 367 00:19:13,730 --> 00:19:16,850 S1: a in its length. And it's it's so flawed in 368 00:19:16,890 --> 00:19:19,570 S1: terms of its legal reasoning. Um, I guess it all 369 00:19:19,570 --> 00:19:22,130 S1: depends on whose ox is being gored. What's interesting is 370 00:19:22,130 --> 00:19:24,530 S1: that Justice Jackson came out in support of Dobbs and 371 00:19:24,530 --> 00:19:27,650 S1: against Roe and Casey and said in a dissent, there 372 00:19:27,650 --> 00:19:30,850 S1: is no right to practice medicine, which is not subordinate 373 00:19:30,850 --> 00:19:34,120 S1: to the police power of the States. This was true 374 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,880 S1: 100 years ago, and it should be true today. And 375 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,640 S1: then she flips that completely around in her dissent today. 376 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:40,760 S1: So talk to me about this. 377 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,320 S11: Yeah. So she argued that the court's First Amendment precedent have, quote, 378 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:49,720 S11: far less salience when the speakers are medical professionals and 379 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:55,200 S11: their treatment related speech is being restricted, what she called, incidentally, 380 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,480 S11: to the state's regulation of medical care. Well, the court 381 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:03,400 S11: said very distinctly this is not incidental to medical care. 382 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,240 S11: The only thing she's providing is pure speech. In fact, 383 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,560 S11: it would not have gotten any easier. It was about 384 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,440 S11: as easy a question as Gorsuch writes as they could 385 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,760 S11: possibly have wrestled with. But she said that the state 386 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:21,320 S11: was restricting a dangerous therapy modality again. Governor Gavin Newsom 387 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:27,080 S11: approach that, incidentally, provides speech. Well, Kaylee Childs does not 388 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:32,900 S11: provide prescriptions. She doesn't provide hormones, cross-sex hormones, puberty blockers, 389 00:20:32,900 --> 00:20:36,940 S11: medical referrals. Nothing. All she does is talk. That is 390 00:20:36,940 --> 00:20:41,220 S11: the nature of a counselor's relationship with a patient. And 391 00:20:41,220 --> 00:20:44,500 S11: she was the only one, Justice Jackson, who failed to 392 00:20:44,500 --> 00:20:48,580 S11: see the very simple First Amendment calculus. But as often 393 00:20:48,580 --> 00:20:51,380 S11: the case, I find that the people who have the 394 00:20:51,380 --> 00:20:54,620 S11: most to say often have the least rationale on which 395 00:20:54,619 --> 00:20:55,380 S11: to say it. 396 00:20:55,420 --> 00:20:58,340 S1: Well, Lady Justice is blindfolded for a reason, and the 397 00:20:58,340 --> 00:21:01,100 S1: scales of justice held high above her head bend with 398 00:21:01,100 --> 00:21:04,900 S1: the evidence. Also, I'm reminded of First Kings 18 when 399 00:21:04,900 --> 00:21:09,420 S1: you limp between two opinions. So last year, Justice Jackson 400 00:21:09,420 --> 00:21:12,220 S1: ruled that states do not have the right to ban 401 00:21:12,260 --> 00:21:16,140 S1: child sex changes. Yet rules today that states do have 402 00:21:16,140 --> 00:21:19,020 S1: the right to ban counselors from telling boys that they're 403 00:21:19,020 --> 00:21:23,580 S1: not girls. That is not only, um, there's no continuity 404 00:21:23,580 --> 00:21:26,060 S1: in that line of thinking legally. So either states do 405 00:21:26,100 --> 00:21:29,180 S1: or do not have certain rights. But here she is 406 00:21:29,180 --> 00:21:32,010 S1: cherry picking what rights She thinks the state should have, 407 00:21:32,010 --> 00:21:32,609 S1: am I right? 408 00:21:33,210 --> 00:21:35,690 S11: And that's exactly it. And in fact, it's very interesting. 409 00:21:35,690 --> 00:21:40,850 S11: The entire distinction here rests on the distinction between speech 410 00:21:40,850 --> 00:21:45,090 S11: and conduct. Right. So when you are talking as a professional, 411 00:21:45,130 --> 00:21:48,570 S11: are you engaging in conduct or are you still speaking? 412 00:21:48,609 --> 00:21:52,010 S11: And the courts made very clear in previous cases, like 413 00:21:52,010 --> 00:21:55,770 S11: the Nifla versus Becerra case, that even though you are 414 00:21:55,770 --> 00:21:59,570 S11: a professional who gets paid for your speech and that 415 00:21:59,570 --> 00:22:05,170 S11: may be speech related to medicine or the provision of psychotherapy, 416 00:22:05,410 --> 00:22:09,130 S11: it is still speech. There is nothing else involved here. 417 00:22:09,210 --> 00:22:12,450 S11: And in fact, to try to call this conduct as 418 00:22:12,450 --> 00:22:16,210 S11: opposed to speech Gorsuch wrote, was little more than a, quote, 419 00:22:16,250 --> 00:22:20,490 S11: labeling game. They were playing games with words. That was 420 00:22:20,490 --> 00:22:24,810 S11: something obviously Justice Jackson agreed with. But eight other justices 421 00:22:24,810 --> 00:22:29,090 S11: roundly disagreed. It is now the fourth time because there 422 00:22:29,090 --> 00:22:32,520 S11: were two in masterpiece Cakeshop, 1 in 3 with three creative. 423 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,000 S11: One now with Charles versus Salazar that they have lost 424 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,800 S11: on a First Amendment challenge at the Supreme Court, which 425 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,760 S11: is part of the reason our organization has brought its 426 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,800 S11: own against the state of Colorado. Once again, for another 427 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,119 S11: violation of the First Amendment in public accommodations law. 428 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:50,720 S1: Well, I want to get to that in a minute. 429 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,560 S1: Let me just wrap up this business with the Supreme 430 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,000 S1: Court and talk about application. So it is a ruling 431 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,960 S1: from the High Court. It deals specifically with the law 432 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,600 S1: out of Colorado. There are 20 states, including California, as 433 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,920 S1: I noted earlier, uh, that prohibit therapists from having this 434 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,399 S1: kind of conversational therapy. Exactly the kind that Caleb Charles 435 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,920 S1: has with today's ruling. What happens to those 20 states? 436 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,240 S1: Is this an overruling that renders then in their state 437 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,159 S1: unconstitutional these prohibitions? 438 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,000 S11: This will have to be a case by case determination. Now, 439 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,840 S11: for the most part, any state that has a conversion 440 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,760 S11: therapy so-called ban can continue to operate those banned. But 441 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:32,030 S11: this is good news for every conservative, every religious clinical practitioner. 442 00:23:32,030 --> 00:23:34,870 S11: And there are many. And they are such a blessing 443 00:23:34,869 --> 00:23:38,030 S11: because that's such a calling to hear the Lord's call 444 00:23:38,030 --> 00:23:39,710 S11: on your life, to say, I'm going to minister to 445 00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:43,350 S11: people through my gifts of service, go into counseling, talk 446 00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:46,190 S11: to them about where they are, their mental health needs. 447 00:23:46,190 --> 00:23:49,109 S11: There are Christian counselors across the country. If they happen 448 00:23:49,109 --> 00:23:52,350 S11: to live in a state with these so-called conversion therapy bans, 449 00:23:52,350 --> 00:23:56,550 S11: they are now protected and can speak in accordance with 450 00:23:56,550 --> 00:23:58,790 S11: their sincerely held religious beliefs. 451 00:23:59,230 --> 00:23:59,590 S5: Wow. 452 00:24:00,109 --> 00:24:01,870 S1: I tell you, that's amazing. And that's why I referenced 453 00:24:01,869 --> 00:24:04,870 S1: Joe Dallas earlier, being situated as he is in California, 454 00:24:04,910 --> 00:24:08,350 S1: having a counseling business, a counseling ministry, more to the 455 00:24:08,350 --> 00:24:12,310 S1: point that he's had for, oh, decades. This is something 456 00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:13,990 S1: that he was concerned about. What was it going to 457 00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:15,950 S1: do in terms of his ability to be able to 458 00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:18,510 S1: share when people are struggling and want out? That's the 459 00:24:18,510 --> 00:24:21,390 S1: entire spinal column of his practice. Thank you Lord. Now 460 00:24:21,390 --> 00:24:24,070 S1: he's protected today. So 8 to 1. That means even 461 00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:27,139 S1: the liberal wing, except for one voted. This was so 462 00:24:27,540 --> 00:24:31,740 S1: common sensical and so thankful Lord for that decision. Wow. 463 00:24:31,740 --> 00:24:33,419 S1: We've got a lot to talk about now. Defending it. 464 00:24:33,460 --> 00:24:35,420 S1: It's been busy out there taking a look at what's 465 00:24:35,420 --> 00:24:38,340 S1: happening on college campuses across the country. I want you 466 00:24:38,340 --> 00:24:40,899 S1: to know, so that you are ready and more prepared 467 00:24:40,900 --> 00:24:55,820 S1: to look well to the ways of your household. Jesus 468 00:24:55,820 --> 00:24:57,700 S1: told us to go into the world and not run 469 00:24:57,700 --> 00:24:59,580 S1: away from it, and he didn't say it would be easy. 470 00:24:59,580 --> 00:25:01,659 S1: In the market with Janet, partial is a program designed 471 00:25:01,660 --> 00:25:03,860 S1: to come alongside and walk with you into the marketplace 472 00:25:03,859 --> 00:25:06,580 S1: of ideas. Partial partners are those friends who support our 473 00:25:06,580 --> 00:25:09,300 S1: program on a regular monthly basis. They know the mandate 474 00:25:09,300 --> 00:25:11,940 S1: of influencing and occupying until he comes. So why don't 475 00:25:11,940 --> 00:25:14,460 S1: you become part of the inner circle of support? Call 476 00:25:14,460 --> 00:25:17,860 S1: 877 Janet 58 or go to in the market with 477 00:25:17,859 --> 00:25:23,260 S1: Janet Parshall. For visiting with Sarah Partial Perry, vice president 478 00:25:23,260 --> 00:25:26,200 S1: and legal fellow at Defending Education. She is a former 479 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,200 S1: senior counsel to the assistant secretary for civil rights at 480 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,520 S1: the U.S. Department of Education. And yes, she is my 481 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,600 S1: daughter and I'm very proud of her and so glad 482 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,520 S1: we get to have these conversations. So, Sarah, I want 483 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,199 S1: to go back to Scotus for a minute before we 484 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,360 S1: move from the courtroom to the classroom. Talk about Mirabelli, 485 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,040 S1: because this is still the trans issue. And as I 486 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,600 S1: understand it, there's still some pending stuff going on here. 487 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:47,720 S1: Talk to me about this. 488 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,320 S11: Yeah, that's a great, great point. And in fact, a 489 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,320 S11: lot of these decisions, I think, are often misunderstood as 490 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,520 S11: being immediately impactful for the entirety of the country. Sometimes 491 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,600 S11: the Supreme Court weighs in on what's called its emergency docket, 492 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,960 S11: also referred to as the rocket docket or the shadow docket. 493 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,320 S11: And that means that something comes to the court on 494 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,240 S11: an emergency basis with a request for relief that has 495 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,959 S11: to apply immediately. For example, something like getting an injunction, 496 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,240 S11: which simply means you halt the operation of a law 497 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,280 S11: or policy simply during the pendency of the litigation. That's 498 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,990 S11: what happened coming out of California on a challenge to 499 00:26:26,030 --> 00:26:30,070 S11: the gender secrecy policies in the state. Remember Governor Gavin Newsom? 500 00:26:30,270 --> 00:26:34,030 S11: What's bad in California generally shows up at the Supreme Court. 501 00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:38,070 S11: This is precisely what happens here. These gender secrecy policies 502 00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:43,150 S11: are directives to teachers and administrators to actively lie to 503 00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:47,830 S11: parents about the expressed gender identity of minor children when 504 00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:51,510 S11: they're at school. If the child so requests it now, 505 00:26:51,790 --> 00:26:54,109 S11: a lot of children think that they know best. I 506 00:26:54,109 --> 00:26:56,390 S11: think I did at some point, but you could probably 507 00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:57,950 S11: confirm whether that's the case. 508 00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:58,670 S1: Never. 509 00:26:59,190 --> 00:27:02,189 S11: You know, I was 99% of the time, right? I 510 00:27:02,190 --> 00:27:05,790 S11: just will say my children also like to think that 511 00:27:05,790 --> 00:27:09,830 S11: they too are correct on everything at 16, 19 and 512 00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:12,470 S11: almost 22. But I will tell you, there comes a 513 00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:15,669 S11: point at which we recognize that the court, the diminished 514 00:27:15,670 --> 00:27:19,990 S11: capacity of minors, they can't buy cigarettes, alcohol, register for 515 00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:23,740 S11: the draft, sign a contract, serve jury duty, and that's 516 00:27:23,740 --> 00:27:27,660 S11: because they don't have the emotional ability or the intelligence 517 00:27:27,660 --> 00:27:31,900 S11: to make those exact decisions. That is directly implicated here 518 00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:35,500 S11: with gender secrecy policies. And so very recently, the Supreme 519 00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:39,899 S11: Court issued what's called a per curiam opinion. It's unsigned. 520 00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:44,659 S11: So we don't know how the justices specifically voted. However, 521 00:27:44,660 --> 00:27:48,420 S11: we got something very interesting from Justice Amy Coney Barrett, 522 00:27:48,460 --> 00:27:51,780 S11: who was the only one to write a separate opinion, 523 00:27:52,380 --> 00:27:56,300 S11: and in which she said specifically, these types of policies 524 00:27:56,460 --> 00:28:00,660 S11: directly interfere with the fundamental right of parents to direct 525 00:28:00,660 --> 00:28:04,740 S11: the upbringing, education and medical care of their children. The 526 00:28:04,740 --> 00:28:07,300 S11: first time the Supreme Court recognized that was all the 527 00:28:07,300 --> 00:28:11,820 S11: way back in 1923 with a case called Meyer versus Nebraska. That's, 528 00:28:11,820 --> 00:28:15,700 S11: to my mind, indicates that we will see another case, 529 00:28:15,700 --> 00:28:19,540 S11: and probably two, because there are two active search petitions. 530 00:28:19,540 --> 00:28:23,770 S11: Those are requests for review at the Supreme Court currently pending. 531 00:28:23,770 --> 00:28:28,090 S11: Both of them have been rescheduled no fewer than 12 times. 532 00:28:28,090 --> 00:28:30,730 S11: What does that mean? Well, then, for people who like 533 00:28:30,730 --> 00:28:33,570 S11: to read the tea leaves like myself, I was once told, 534 00:28:33,609 --> 00:28:36,970 S11: never prognosticate, never predict. I like to do it anyway, 535 00:28:37,010 --> 00:28:39,410 S11: so sue me. This is one of the things I 536 00:28:39,410 --> 00:28:43,650 S11: will predict. They have been rescheduled 12 times. That indicates 537 00:28:43,690 --> 00:28:46,890 S11: three of the justices want to take these cases up, 538 00:28:46,930 --> 00:28:49,450 S11: and a fourth is on the fence. You only need 539 00:28:49,450 --> 00:28:53,170 S11: four justices to get a search grant. That's exactly it. 540 00:28:53,170 --> 00:28:56,490 S11: And so we've got probably three. These continue to be 541 00:28:56,490 --> 00:29:00,209 S11: rescheduled because we think there's one that's still on the fence. 542 00:29:00,330 --> 00:29:03,770 S11: This decision, though, in Mirabelli versus Bonta, while it applies 543 00:29:03,770 --> 00:29:07,010 S11: only to California, is a very good signal to other 544 00:29:07,010 --> 00:29:10,010 S11: school districts across the country that they should definitely be 545 00:29:10,050 --> 00:29:12,650 S11: watching their back on challenges like this in the future. 546 00:29:12,690 --> 00:29:16,450 S1: Well, um, any possibility that we're going to see any 547 00:29:16,450 --> 00:29:19,410 S1: of these kinds of cases adjudicated or have oral arguments 548 00:29:19,410 --> 00:29:21,070 S1: before the end of the term in June. 549 00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:25,310 S11: So that's a great question. In fact, a lot of 550 00:29:25,310 --> 00:29:28,390 S11: people have wondered, is this something that they could take up? 551 00:29:28,430 --> 00:29:30,590 S11: The short answer is no, and here's why. We've got 552 00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:33,790 S11: oral arguments or arguments already set for every single one 553 00:29:33,790 --> 00:29:36,910 S11: of the cases that has currently been docketed. They're full 554 00:29:36,910 --> 00:29:38,990 S11: through the end of the year. And then generally, what 555 00:29:38,990 --> 00:29:41,469 S11: will happen at the end of April, beginning of May, 556 00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:43,870 S11: is that we will see an avalanche of opinions begin 557 00:29:43,870 --> 00:29:46,350 S11: to roll out. That means that because we are now 558 00:29:46,350 --> 00:29:49,670 S11: going into April 1st, tomorrow, we are not likely to 559 00:29:49,670 --> 00:29:53,750 S11: see one of these taken up and argued before next term, 560 00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:57,470 S11: which would be October of 2026. To my mind, what 561 00:29:57,470 --> 00:30:01,190 S11: I think will happen and again, I'm just prognosticating. But 562 00:30:01,190 --> 00:30:04,470 S11: we know what we've seen from these particular justices, three 563 00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:07,710 S11: of whom have been confirmed by the current sitting president. 564 00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:11,070 S11: They have indicated their willingness to take this up and 565 00:30:11,070 --> 00:30:14,790 S11: not once, but twice. Justices Alito and Thomas have said 566 00:30:14,790 --> 00:30:17,910 S11: this is an issue of growing national importance that we 567 00:30:17,910 --> 00:30:19,940 S11: cannot continue to ignore. Yeah. 568 00:30:19,980 --> 00:30:22,060 S1: Okay, so there's something for your prayer list, friends, that 569 00:30:22,060 --> 00:30:24,020 S1: you can pray that there will be the moral courage 570 00:30:24,020 --> 00:30:26,900 S1: necessary by these high justices to be able to take 571 00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:29,940 S1: these cases up, because it's impacting so many classrooms all 572 00:30:29,940 --> 00:30:31,860 S1: across the country. I want to pick up on a 573 00:30:31,860 --> 00:30:35,620 S1: hanging participle. You referenced the defending editor, your organization and 574 00:30:35,620 --> 00:30:38,860 S1: a complaint in Colorado. Tell me the story. What's happening? 575 00:30:39,540 --> 00:30:41,900 S11: So one of the things that we've done in Colorado 576 00:30:41,900 --> 00:30:44,180 S11: is actually bring a challenge. On behalf of some of 577 00:30:44,180 --> 00:30:47,060 S11: our parent members, we represent hundreds of parents and parent 578 00:30:47,060 --> 00:30:50,100 S11: organizations across the country, which is wonderful. We get a 579 00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:52,500 S11: chance to provide them the resources and training that they 580 00:30:52,500 --> 00:30:55,700 S11: need to learn how to file civil rights complaints, speak 581 00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:58,580 S11: up at school board meetings, ask for examination of the 582 00:30:58,580 --> 00:31:01,460 S11: curriculum their children are being taught. We love our religious 583 00:31:01,460 --> 00:31:04,540 S11: school friends. We love school choice. We love our homeschooling friends. 584 00:31:04,540 --> 00:31:08,140 S11: We also recognize that more than 85% of American kids 585 00:31:08,140 --> 00:31:11,660 S11: go to public schools. That's a function of financial necessity 586 00:31:11,660 --> 00:31:15,180 S11: or special needs protections, which is something my own boys needed. 587 00:31:15,380 --> 00:31:17,770 S11: This is a challenge that we've brought on behalf of 588 00:31:17,810 --> 00:31:21,850 S11: two of our individual parents and their parent groups in 589 00:31:21,850 --> 00:31:25,650 S11: public accommodations, where our two parents like to hold conferences 590 00:31:25,650 --> 00:31:29,250 S11: for other parents on gender identity and the dangers of 591 00:31:29,250 --> 00:31:33,210 S11: gender identity for minors. They are now being told that 592 00:31:33,210 --> 00:31:38,530 S11: they will be tagged with a 5000 per incident violation 593 00:31:38,530 --> 00:31:44,210 S11: for every incident. They fail to use mandatory preferred pronouns. 594 00:31:44,370 --> 00:31:50,650 S11: Public accommodations mean any business open to the public that is, hotels, restaurants, businesses, 595 00:31:50,650 --> 00:31:56,890 S11: dry cleaners that is, train services, airlines, anyone operating or 596 00:31:56,890 --> 00:31:59,850 S11: located in the state of Colorado. If you fail to 597 00:31:59,890 --> 00:32:03,570 S11: use a preferred pronoun, not an operator of a public accommodation, 598 00:32:03,570 --> 00:32:06,810 S11: simply a user, a regular person like you and me 599 00:32:06,850 --> 00:32:09,490 S11: who might go into a restaurant for dinner. If we 600 00:32:09,490 --> 00:32:13,250 S11: do not use preferred pronouns in the state of Colorado, 601 00:32:13,410 --> 00:32:16,160 S11: thanks to a brand new amendment that was signed into 602 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,960 S11: law by Governor Polis a few months ago. That is 603 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,040 S11: now a $5,000 civil rights violation. Well, that wasn't going 604 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,040 S11: to stand for us. And so we sued together with 605 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,000 S11: an organization called Do No Harm, which are Christian and 606 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,440 S11: religious doctors who are very critical of gender medicine. They, too, 607 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,120 S11: have brought what we'd like to call a super suit 608 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,800 S11: based on the First Amendment. And we are hoping in 609 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,800 S11: very short order, to have an opinion from the trial court, 610 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,520 S11: which will determine our next steps. 611 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,920 S1: Wow. And it's not a pejorative. It's an objective observation. 612 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,880 S1: What is going on in the state of Colorado on 613 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,520 S1: this issue? And by the way, if this were baseball, 614 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,360 S1: they're not going to get anywhere near the playoffs, let 615 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,640 S1: alone play in the series. Every time they're up to bat, 616 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,200 S1: they strike out on this eventually. 617 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,480 S11: I have a legal friend who called them the New 618 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,440 S11: York Jets of the Supreme Court, because every time they 619 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,240 S11: get a chance, they whiff the ball. 620 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,760 S1: Okay. Baseball. Football. It clears mud. We're doing this. I 621 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,840 S1: get that. Wow. Okay, so moving on. Just in deference 622 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,880 S1: to time. Talk to me now, because one of the 623 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,430 S1: things that you do, and we talked about this the 624 00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:18,350 S1: last time you were on that, when you file a complaint, 625 00:33:18,390 --> 00:33:21,270 S1: it then is up to an agency, the Department of Education, 626 00:33:21,270 --> 00:33:24,430 S1: the Department of Justice, to say, we think there's enough 627 00:33:24,430 --> 00:33:27,070 S1: there there to really move forward. And maybe this is 628 00:33:27,070 --> 00:33:30,390 S1: prosecutable or enforceable, and we need to get involved. So 629 00:33:30,390 --> 00:33:33,150 S1: that's the background out of something that comes now from 630 00:33:33,150 --> 00:33:35,150 S1: the state of New Hampshire. Talk to me about this. 631 00:33:36,190 --> 00:33:39,590 S11: So back in August, I filed a civil rights complaint 632 00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:42,310 S11: with the Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights, where 633 00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:44,710 S11: I used to be one of the senior attorneys. Again, 634 00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:47,670 S11: for anyone who's listening, if you see discrimination in any 635 00:33:47,670 --> 00:33:50,430 S11: one of your public schools, whether that's on someone's color 636 00:33:50,430 --> 00:33:53,470 S11: of their skin or where they were born, whether or 637 00:33:53,470 --> 00:33:55,550 S11: not they were a boy or girl, it's a very 638 00:33:55,550 --> 00:33:59,790 S11: easy process. You can go to OCR, dot gov and 639 00:33:59,790 --> 00:34:02,230 S11: file these complaints on your own. Now I happen to 640 00:34:02,230 --> 00:34:05,110 S11: have the advantage of also being an attorney working with 641 00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:08,270 S11: a great team of litigators. So we get our complaints very, 642 00:34:08,270 --> 00:34:11,549 S11: very airtight. But we had reason to believe that there 643 00:34:11,550 --> 00:34:14,610 S11: was some malfeasance coming out of New Hampshire, because a 644 00:34:14,610 --> 00:34:18,010 S11: lot of these blue states, blue governors and blue mayors, 645 00:34:18,010 --> 00:34:22,770 S11: quite frankly, are actually flouting federal civil rights directive because 646 00:34:22,770 --> 00:34:25,569 S11: they want to wait out the current administration on civil 647 00:34:25,570 --> 00:34:28,609 S11: rights law. Well, one of the things that's implicated here 648 00:34:28,650 --> 00:34:32,570 S11: is title nine of the Education Amendments of 1972, simple 649 00:34:32,570 --> 00:34:36,370 S11: statute passed during the women's liberation movement. It simply says 650 00:34:36,370 --> 00:34:39,489 S11: you cannot prohibit, you cannot discriminate on the basis of 651 00:34:39,489 --> 00:34:44,170 S11: sex in federally funded education. Very simple, shortest civil rights 652 00:34:44,370 --> 00:34:46,930 S11: sentence we have in all of our canon. The Biden 653 00:34:46,930 --> 00:34:50,410 S11: administration turned sex on its head by adding gender identity, 654 00:34:50,410 --> 00:34:52,650 S11: and as a result of that, we've got a lot 655 00:34:52,650 --> 00:34:55,010 S11: of blue states and a lot of blue cities who've 656 00:34:55,010 --> 00:34:57,810 S11: decided their school districts will say, you know what? We 657 00:34:57,810 --> 00:34:59,930 S11: prefer to wait this one out. We're going to use 658 00:34:59,930 --> 00:35:03,970 S11: our state law and the previous administration's interpretation to keep 659 00:35:03,969 --> 00:35:07,969 S11: boys in girls bathrooms. While we filed some public records requests, 660 00:35:08,010 --> 00:35:11,530 S11: got Ahold of information about what the principal was representing 661 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,680 S11: in what's called Con Val or Conduit Valley, New Hampshire 662 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,600 S11: high schools. And sure enough, they've actually said, we're going 663 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,920 S11: to let biological boys into girls bathrooms. And as soon 664 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,239 S11: as we found that out, that prompted the filing of 665 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,680 S11: a civil rights complaint in August. Just today, the Department 666 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:33,200 S11: of Education announced that they have indeed opened a formal investigation, 667 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,000 S11: and the school district will have to answer for its malfeasance. 668 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,040 S1: Well, let me break that down a little bit so 669 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,000 S1: people understand. In other words, let's go back to sports again. 670 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,799 S1: This is running the clock. Their attitude is, look, with 671 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,680 S1: the new administration. This is why elections count, by the way, 672 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,640 S1: because elections are about worldviews. So what the people who 673 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,120 S1: are antithetically opposed to the idea that boys should play 674 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,480 S1: on boys teams and use boys bathrooms, they think there 675 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,799 S1: isn't any distinction. They want to run the clock, and 676 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,120 S1: they're thinking that given a new administration and maybe even 677 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,160 S1: perhaps an overturning of Congress in the midterms, they're going 678 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,640 S1: to get their things their way. And so let's just 679 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,149 S1: run the clock. Well, that's why what's happening now at 680 00:36:12,190 --> 00:36:15,430 S1: the Doe and other agencies is extremely important because if 681 00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:17,310 S1: you're up against the clock, you can't sit back on 682 00:36:17,310 --> 00:36:19,509 S1: these issues. You have to move forward. When we come 683 00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:21,669 S1: back again, Sarah, only in deference to time, because there's 684 00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:24,390 S1: so much news that you bring to today's conversation. I 685 00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:26,029 S1: want to talk about a piece that you wrote for 686 00:36:26,030 --> 00:36:30,990 S1: the Civitas Institute that deals with Montgomery County schools. This 687 00:36:30,989 --> 00:36:33,190 S1: is the district where the Mahmoud decision came out. So 688 00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:36,350 S1: I want to find out exactly what's percolating up there. Again, 689 00:36:36,350 --> 00:36:38,509 S1: go to the website because one of the things defending 690 00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:41,710 S1: editor has is this great report of things that are 691 00:36:41,710 --> 00:36:43,870 S1: happening all across the country that you need to know about, 692 00:36:43,870 --> 00:36:47,549 S1: including the NEA's advancing of LGBTQ rights. You want to 693 00:36:47,550 --> 00:37:03,149 S1: read that article on my website? Sarah Perry is with us, 694 00:37:03,150 --> 00:37:06,830 S1: vice president and legal fellow at Defending Education. Sarah, you 695 00:37:06,830 --> 00:37:09,580 S1: recently wrote a piece for the Civitas Institute with a 696 00:37:09,580 --> 00:37:14,140 S1: headline that says the government schools persist in mandating gender ideology. 697 00:37:14,460 --> 00:37:17,020 S1: And in this article, you make the case that really 698 00:37:17,020 --> 00:37:18,860 S1: and truly, so many of these questions that are swirling 699 00:37:18,860 --> 00:37:21,819 S1: around the issue of so-called trans rights don't come at 700 00:37:22,140 --> 00:37:25,379 S1: the expense of our constitutional heritage. I thought that was 701 00:37:25,380 --> 00:37:27,900 S1: a great statement. What is the situation in Montgomery County? 702 00:37:28,620 --> 00:37:31,140 S11: Well, I think we should start by saying Montgomery County 703 00:37:31,180 --> 00:37:34,459 S11: Schools is the Colorado of school districts, right? It can't 704 00:37:34,460 --> 00:37:36,420 S11: seem to get things right. It's already been to the 705 00:37:36,420 --> 00:37:40,540 S11: Supreme Court, not just on Mahmood versus Taylor's decision related 706 00:37:40,540 --> 00:37:43,460 S11: to religious parents and their their rights of opt out 707 00:37:43,460 --> 00:37:46,819 S11: from objectionable material. But they also were subject to a 708 00:37:46,820 --> 00:37:49,420 S11: challenge that was not taken up by the Supreme Court 709 00:37:49,460 --> 00:37:53,580 S11: on gender secrecy policies, just like in Mirabel from the 710 00:37:53,580 --> 00:37:58,060 S11: last Supreme Court term, prompting a dissent from Justice Alito, saying, 711 00:37:58,060 --> 00:38:00,100 S11: this is one of the cases that we've got to 712 00:38:00,140 --> 00:38:04,140 S11: consider in the future. So these guys are prototypical bad actors, 713 00:38:04,140 --> 00:38:07,339 S11: just like the state of Colorado. Once again, this is 714 00:38:07,450 --> 00:38:11,169 S11: a situation where a court has botched a First Amendment analysis, 715 00:38:11,410 --> 00:38:14,489 S11: an opinion that was specifically written by Judge King and 716 00:38:14,489 --> 00:38:19,090 S11: joined by Judge Thacker, who were two Biden appointees, specifically 717 00:38:19,090 --> 00:38:22,450 S11: related to whether or not a substitute teacher who does 718 00:38:22,450 --> 00:38:25,410 S11: not want to lie to parents about the expressed gender 719 00:38:25,410 --> 00:38:30,130 S11: identity of their minor child or who won't use preferred pronouns, 720 00:38:30,330 --> 00:38:33,529 S11: has a claim for violation of a First Amendment rights. 721 00:38:33,530 --> 00:38:37,810 S11: And the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals just said no. Now, 722 00:38:37,810 --> 00:38:41,450 S11: this was such a botched analysis. There are different questions 723 00:38:41,450 --> 00:38:46,650 S11: involved when we talk about government employees than about private citizens, 724 00:38:46,650 --> 00:38:49,690 S11: because to a certain extent, the government has a right 725 00:38:49,690 --> 00:38:52,730 S11: to buy the speech that it wants and then control 726 00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:56,969 S11: that speech. Makes perfect sense. That's sort of a principle 727 00:38:56,969 --> 00:39:01,010 S11: laid out in a case called Garcetti versus Caballos. But 728 00:39:01,010 --> 00:39:04,610 S11: there is a balancing principle and a case called Pickering 729 00:39:04,610 --> 00:39:09,390 S11: versus Board of Education and in Pickering, the court clarified 730 00:39:09,390 --> 00:39:14,430 S11: that when an individual government employee like here, a substitute 731 00:39:14,469 --> 00:39:18,670 S11: teacher is speaking on a matter of public concern that 732 00:39:18,670 --> 00:39:22,150 S11: is currently in the public debate, that is a pressing 733 00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:27,270 S11: national issue. They have protected First Amendment rights, and those 734 00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:31,669 S11: have to be balanced against the school's orderly administration of 735 00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:34,670 S11: the school day. Well, there was nothing that the substitute 736 00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:38,910 S11: teacher here was actually doing to disrupt class. In fact, 737 00:39:38,910 --> 00:39:43,270 S11: she actually said, here are the accommodations I will provide 738 00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:46,950 S11: for the gender dysphoric students. I'll call all kids by 739 00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:51,590 S11: their last names. Montgomery County Schools said no, not good enough. 740 00:39:51,630 --> 00:39:55,390 S11: Terminated her employment. And that prompted the decision that we 741 00:39:55,390 --> 00:39:58,270 S11: just got from the Fourth Circuit. What I saw in 742 00:39:58,270 --> 00:40:03,069 S11: the tea leaves, in justice, Justice Wilkinson's dissent. And he 743 00:40:03,070 --> 00:40:07,300 S11: is the sitting chief Justice, who will probably soon take retirement. 744 00:40:07,340 --> 00:40:11,700 S11: Years ago, actually as a student practitioner in the Fourth 745 00:40:11,739 --> 00:40:14,500 S11: Circuit appellate litigation clinic when I was in law school. 746 00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:17,739 S11: And that was many, many decades ago. He actually was 747 00:40:17,739 --> 00:40:20,980 S11: the just justice that I argued in front of. This 748 00:40:20,980 --> 00:40:24,700 S11: is an individual who recognized how simple the question was. 749 00:40:24,700 --> 00:40:28,459 S11: Once again, the First Amendment gone terribly wrong. But as 750 00:40:28,460 --> 00:40:30,980 S11: I predicted, it has already made its way to the 751 00:40:30,980 --> 00:40:34,100 S11: Supreme Court on a request to take it up in 752 00:40:34,100 --> 00:40:34,660 S11: the fall. 753 00:40:34,780 --> 00:40:38,459 S1: Wow. So incident paradoxical that in this hour, we've really 754 00:40:38,460 --> 00:40:40,980 S1: come full circle because we started out with the ruling today, 755 00:40:41,020 --> 00:40:45,020 S1: 8 to 1 significant ruling that said that a Christian 756 00:40:45,020 --> 00:40:48,620 S1: counselor in California, Kayleigh Childs, cannot be told that she 757 00:40:48,620 --> 00:40:51,580 S1: can't talk to her clients when they're struggling with gender 758 00:40:51,580 --> 00:40:54,140 S1: identity or same sex attraction, or feel like they're trapped 759 00:40:54,140 --> 00:40:57,580 S1: in their own body. That is, they said, viewpoint discrimination 760 00:40:57,860 --> 00:41:00,060 S1: isn't the core of what you just talked about coming 761 00:41:00,060 --> 00:41:02,660 S1: out of Montgomery County, the same thing. It's viewpoint discrimination. 762 00:41:02,660 --> 00:41:05,770 S1: In other words, what you have are some people in authority, 763 00:41:05,770 --> 00:41:10,970 S1: local people, little power, local authority. But unfortunately, that power 764 00:41:10,969 --> 00:41:14,170 S1: is powerful because it's closest to your kitchen table. They're 765 00:41:14,170 --> 00:41:16,650 S1: making the decisions that impact your baby's. It's not some 766 00:41:16,650 --> 00:41:21,530 S1: overseas international diplomacy issue or geopolitical issue. It's your kitchen table. 767 00:41:21,530 --> 00:41:24,530 S1: It's your child. And now you've got someone who's being told, 768 00:41:24,690 --> 00:41:27,810 S1: if you don't march in lockstep with our particular worldview, 769 00:41:27,850 --> 00:41:31,010 S1: then we're going to punish you. That's basic common parlance. 770 00:41:31,130 --> 00:41:33,450 S1: I'm not using legal language, but the takeaway on this 771 00:41:33,489 --> 00:41:36,570 S1: in plain talk, is you don't do it our way 772 00:41:36,570 --> 00:41:39,370 S1: and it's an opinion. It's subjectivity. Then we're going to 773 00:41:39,370 --> 00:41:42,930 S1: make you get punished. Um, you know, I find it interesting. 774 00:41:42,930 --> 00:41:45,569 S1: This is a role reversal when your father and I 775 00:41:45,570 --> 00:41:49,410 S1: were on college campus, um, we saw firsthand people protesting 776 00:41:49,410 --> 00:41:52,009 S1: the Vietnam War. They would wear black armbands, and they 777 00:41:52,010 --> 00:41:54,290 S1: would disrupt classes and they'd riot in the streets. And 778 00:41:54,290 --> 00:41:56,489 S1: the only time your daddy ever got teargassed when he 779 00:41:56,489 --> 00:41:59,330 S1: was sharing the gospel on a street outside of a 780 00:41:59,370 --> 00:42:02,239 S1: Big Ten university, and there were a bunch of writers 781 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,520 S1: against the war in Vietnam, and they tear gassed, and 782 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,839 S1: he got caught in the scuffle as he was trying 783 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,799 S1: to share the gospel with students on the street up there. 784 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,840 S1: So we've gone from that kind of protection for free speech. 785 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,640 S1: And at that point, that was very much of an 786 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,959 S1: issue unto the left, to the point now where free 787 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,000 S1: speech is a treasure to the right, and the left 788 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,640 S1: doesn't care at all about it, they're much more interested 789 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,760 S1: in total utter compliance, it seems to me. 790 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,920 S11: Oh, that's absolutely what it is. In fact, this is 791 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,520 S11: the government picking and choosing perspectives that it likes and 792 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,040 S11: throttling perspectives that it doesn't like. It's regardless of whether 793 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,600 S11: or not an individual is speaking as a private citizen 794 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,120 S11: on a matter of public concern, but happen to be 795 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,040 S11: employed by a government agency, or whether or not it's 796 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,960 S11: someone operating in a public accommodation, or someone who actually 797 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,600 S11: runs a business and is a professional who wants to 798 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:54,960 S11: speak in accordance with their sincerely held religious perspectives. This 799 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,960 S11: particular viewpoint discrimination is not only endemic to the state of, 800 00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:03,339 S11: I think, modern cultural warfare between the left and the right, 801 00:43:03,340 --> 00:43:07,620 S11: between light and darkness, between reality and sort of the 802 00:43:07,620 --> 00:43:10,939 S11: fiction of gender identity. It's something I think we're going 803 00:43:10,940 --> 00:43:14,340 S11: to see in increasing measure before the Lord comes back. 804 00:43:14,940 --> 00:43:16,979 S1: I couldn't agree with you more. One of the things 805 00:43:16,980 --> 00:43:19,460 S1: I love about the website for defending education is you 806 00:43:19,460 --> 00:43:22,859 S1: have something called an indoctrination map. Tell our friends what 807 00:43:22,860 --> 00:43:24,500 S1: this is all about because you're talking to people all 808 00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:26,980 S1: across the country. And my guess is that everybody listening 809 00:43:26,980 --> 00:43:28,980 S1: can find their state somewhere on this map. 810 00:43:29,820 --> 00:43:32,020 S11: It's one of my favorite resources. If you go to 811 00:43:32,060 --> 00:43:35,779 S11: t dot o r g. You can find our indoctrination 812 00:43:35,780 --> 00:43:39,380 S11: map right on the homepage. Search by state, school district 813 00:43:39,380 --> 00:43:42,660 S11: and incident. You can pick from any number of criteria 814 00:43:42,660 --> 00:43:46,420 S11: and find out exactly what we've discovered in your homeschool. 815 00:43:46,820 --> 00:43:49,260 S1: And one article of interest, and I've got it right 816 00:43:49,260 --> 00:43:51,819 S1: there as a fast reference on my information page is 817 00:43:51,820 --> 00:43:57,540 S1: one entitled National Education Association's Upcoming advancing LGBTQ Plus Justice 818 00:43:57,540 --> 00:44:04,090 S1: and Transgender advocacy. Mouthful training includes employee transition guides, promotes 819 00:44:04,130 --> 00:44:09,450 S1: a race class, gender narrative and promotion, and claims opponents are, quote, strategic, 820 00:44:09,450 --> 00:44:14,290 S1: are using strategic racism and transphobia. That transphobia that harms 821 00:44:14,290 --> 00:44:17,410 S1: us all. A lot of words. Bottom line is the 822 00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:20,489 S1: NBA is this aggressive? It doesn't have anything to do 823 00:44:20,489 --> 00:44:23,610 S1: with student rights. It's all about this sort of union 824 00:44:23,610 --> 00:44:27,009 S1: boss Marxist ideology. And they're not a friend of the teacher, 825 00:44:27,010 --> 00:44:29,009 S1: and they're certainly not a friend of the student, but 826 00:44:29,010 --> 00:44:30,850 S1: they do have influence. So mom and dad, you need 827 00:44:30,850 --> 00:44:32,649 S1: to know. Sarah. Thank you. There's so much more we 828 00:44:32,650 --> 00:44:34,730 S1: can talk about, and I'm so glad you come and 829 00:44:34,730 --> 00:44:36,650 S1: visit with us on a regular basis because there is 830 00:44:36,650 --> 00:44:39,570 S1: so much we should talk about. So in the meantime, 831 00:44:39,570 --> 00:44:43,810 S1: defending editor. Oh, there's a ton of excellent information there, 832 00:44:43,810 --> 00:44:46,330 S1: including an indoctrination map. So you can see what's happening 833 00:44:46,330 --> 00:44:47,690 S1: in your neck of the woods, or you can let 834 00:44:47,770 --> 00:44:50,650 S1: other parents know. So they're looking well to their household 835 00:44:50,650 --> 00:44:52,610 S1: as well. Thank you Sarah. Thank you friends. We'll see 836 00:44:52,610 --> 00:44:54,969 S1: you next time on In the Market with Janet Parshall.