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S1: Welcome to In the market with Janet Partial. A very

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S9: so it really I started going, how do women do this?

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S9: How do moms do this? And then realizing that even

442
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S9: if I woke up early and maybe had a little

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S9: bit of, you know, quote unquote quiet time with my

444
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S9: Bible and a cup of coffee and a few prayers for,

445
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S9: I don't know, whatever I was doing that day, that

446
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S9: it wasn't enough to sustain me throughout the day. And

447
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S9: so as I kind of started wrestling with, okay, what does,

448
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S9: what does walking faithfully with Jesus actually look like? And

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S9: specifically for my life, my life as a mom and

450
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S9: working part time and maybe to back up a little bit.

451
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S9: I mean, I think I love your show so much, Janet,

452
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S9: and I know your listeners are so savvy. They care

453
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S9: deeply about what's happening in the world culturally and politically

454
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S9: and spiritually. And I think sometimes we get so caught

455
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S9: up in thinking about what's happening out there, and we're

456
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S9: not thinking about what's happening inside here. And I know

457
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S9: we're on the radio. I am, you know, touching my

458
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S9: chest cavity, that thing behind my chest cavity, that that

459
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S9: heart of mine, um, and faithfulness in a complicated culture

460
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S9: really just grows out of a steady life with God.

461
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S9: And so again, for me, I wanted to repackage what

462
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S9: the traditional practice of spiritual disciplines could look like in

463
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S9: ways that were small, easy habits that fit into our

464
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S9: day again, so that we're just living daily life with

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S9: the Lord.

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S1: Yeah, I absolutely love that. So talk to me about

467
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S1: what you call seed habits. You use this word, the

468
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S1: coupling of these words throughout the entire book.

469
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S9: Sow a seed habit is we're taking a large identity

470
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S9: based goal. I want to be a woman who knows

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S9: and loves God's Word. That is my long term goal.

472
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S9: I want to be a 90 year old woman who just,

473
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S9: you know, just breathes in and out God's word. Okay,

474
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S9: so to make that a seed habit, we're going to

475
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S9: say we got to make it so small and so

476
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S9: easy so that every day we're just sprinkling little seeds

477
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S9: all throughout our day that are going to take root

478
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S9: and grow up and grow into me becoming that woman

479
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S9: who loves and knows God's Word.

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S1: Well, I love that. So when we come back, there

481
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S1: are four components. Make it small, make it easy, make

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S1: it fit, let it grow. I'm throwing that out. I

483
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S1: want my friends to think about that because we're going

484
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S1: to take a break and come right back. And so

485
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S1: how do we do this? This is very germane. So

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S1: you don't get overwhelmed. First of all, I like spiritual

487
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S1: habits as opposed to spiritual disciplines. They're both apropos. They're

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S1: both accurate. I get it, but I'm drawn. I don't

489
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S1: know if you are friends, but I'm more drawn to

490
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S1: the idea of creating a healthy habit, a healthy spiritual habit,

491
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S1: than about a discipline. Because again, it's just this kind

492
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S1: of applied overlay of works there. I don't want that,

493
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S1: but I want the habits that help me grow closer

494
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S1: to him. More with Hannah Seymour right after this. The

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S1: Bible says the Word of God illuminates our walk through life.

496
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S1: It's a lamp to our feet and a light to

497
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S1: our path. Without it, we stumble and fall in the

498
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S1: market with Janet, partial is designed to help you look

499
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S1: at the headlines of the day through the lens of Scripture.

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S1: When you become a partial partner, you help to make

501
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S1: this broadcast possible, and as a partial partner, you'll receive

502
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S1: exclusive benefits. So why not become a partial partner today?

503
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S1: Call 877 Janet 58 or go to in the market

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S1: with Janet dot o r g. We are visiting with

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S1: Hannah Seymour, who is an author, a Bible teacher and

506
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S1: a podcast host. Oh yes, and a wife and a

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S1: mother of three young children. She joins us today as

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S1: the author of her newest book, Everyday Spiritual Habits Small

509
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S1: Simple Ways to Transform Your Faith Starting Now. So I

510
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S1: said for things before, and Hannah, I'd love for you

511
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S1: to pick up on this because you make it doable.

512
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S1: The old adage, how do you eat an elephant? One

513
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S1: bite at a time. So these are how you take

514
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S1: the little bites. Make it small. Make it easy. Make

515
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S1: it fit. Let it grow. Talk to me about this.

516
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S9: So I took this from the science of habit formation.

517
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S9: I started nerding out big time about habit formation science.

518
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S9: Well before I was even thinking about writing a book

519
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S9: about spiritual disciplines. And the formula that I kind of

520
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S9: came up with is we take the desired behavior, who

521
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S9: we want to become, these habits that we want to

522
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S9: instill in our lives, and we make them small and easy.

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S9: And there's a we don't even have time to go

524
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S9: into it. There's so much science as to why that

525
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S9: matters and why it works. But we make it small.

526
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S9: We make it easy. It has to fit into our day.

527
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S9: And so this is where we've heard a lot of

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S9: people talk about habit stacking and a lot of my book. Honestly,

529
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S9: I give a ton of habit stacking examples, but we,

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S9: we find a place that fits into our day and

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S9: then we let it grow. And slowly over time, these

532
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S9: tiny seed habits that we've planted compound and they grow,

533
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S9: you know, deep roots and become large oak trees pointing

534
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S9: us to the person that we want to become.

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S1: I love it. And again, I'm going to put out

536
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S1: the definition again of a spiritual habit, spiritual. And before

537
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S1: we go into this, spiritual habits are your definition. Spiritual

538
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S1: habits are intentional practices that help us know and love God,

539
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S1: sustain fellowship with him, and shape us to reflect his character.

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S1: So using this scientific approach of little seed habits, make

541
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S1: it small, make it easy, make it fit, let it grow.

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S1: You take that paradigm and you drop it within each

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S1: one of these spiritual habits. And the first one, and

544
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S1: it's not rocket science at all, is you have to

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S1: get into the word. So give me some of these.

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S1: The book is filled with this, by the way, I'm

547
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S1: doing a 35,000 flyover friends, 30,000, 35,000 foot flyer. And

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S1: there's tons of just pragmatics. Being a good teacher, Hannah

549
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S1: does an excellent job of summarizing the end of the chapter,

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S1: of asking us to do some things, to work this out,

551
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S1: to really start applying what we've read to our lives

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S1: so that you and I can recognize that it's doable.

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S1: And by the way, for the record, if you're going

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S1: to start getting into this, can I just give you

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S1: a warning here? You think the enemy is going to

556
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S1: take that lying down? He's going to say, oh, she

557
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S1: was asleep. Don't bother her. Oh she's awake. Oh, now

558
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S1: I got trouble. Okay, so now he's going to try

559
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S1: to scuttle every one of these little plans. So be

560
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S1: prepared for that. When you start to say, I'm going

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S1: to get even more serious about being conformed to, transformed

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S1: to the image of Christ by developing a deeper intimacy

563
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S1: with him through these daily spiritual habits. So just so

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S1: you know that, okay, just suit up and then get

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S1: up and let's get to work. So devouring the Bible.

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S1: This is like Christianity 101. But boy, I tell you,

567
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S1: we've got every excuse under the sun to not to

568
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S1: do that. In fact, you talk about Jerry Jenkins talking

569
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S1: to Billy Graham when he was writing his biography, and

570
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S1: he talked about, well, how did you feel when you

571
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S1: missed today? And Billy, in his inimitable way, said, never

572
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S1: missed a day. Wouldn't have been doing it. It would

573
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S1: be like going out without eating my food. I couldn't

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S1: do it. All of us longed to get to that point, Hannah,

575
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S1: where we really and truly look not as this route. Okay,

576
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S1: I have to read it through in a year, and

577
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S1: I'm in the book of Leviticus now, and I'm plowing

578
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S1: my way through, but rather see it as I can't

579
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S1: wait to sit down at the banquet table. He's prepared

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S1: for me through His Word. So using this growth paradigm

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S1: where you make it small to start with, make it easy,

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S1: make it fit, and then let it grow. How do

583
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S1: you make it small when you're starting to go deeper

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S1: into the spiritual habit of being in the word on

585
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S1: a regular basis?

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S9: So for folks that have truly never cultivated a daily

587
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S9: habit of reading the Bible, I often have friends text me,

588
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S9: you know, late December, early January. What's the Bible reading

589
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S9: plan in a year that I should do? And my

590
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S9: first question is, have you ever read the Bible for

591
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S9: 365 consecutive days? Because if the answer is no, then

592
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S9: signing up to read the Bible in a year. I

593
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S9: mean to your point, like it dies in Leviticus, we

594
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S9: Tucker out because Leviticus is hard, you know? So to

595
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S9: someone who says, okay, again, the science of habit formation

596
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S9: says we are trying to cultivate the habit of showing up.

597
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S9: I just want to show up to the Word of

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S9: God every morning. So one seed habit idea that I offer,

599
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S9: and it's probably my favorite one, honestly, is if you

600
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S9: drink coffee in the morning or you make tea or

601
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S9: whatever that morning beverage is for you. When you do

602
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S9: that thing, you are going to read your Bible during

603
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S9: that time. So when you press the start button on

604
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S9: your coffee maker, you're going to read your Bible for

605
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S9: two minutes. That is a small, easy habit. Now some

606
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S9: may say like, well, what does that do? Well, again,

607
00:30:11,690 --> 00:30:15,970
S9: if you've never read the Bible every day for 365 days,

608
00:30:15,970 --> 00:30:19,160
S9: guess what? Two minutes a day for 365 days is

609
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S9: going to add up to a lot more than you

610
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S9: were doing last year. And what's so fun is the

611
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S9: science of habit formation tells us if you do it,

612
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S9: it'll grow. But then we know that Scripture tells us

613
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S9: when we come to the Lord, even with humble offerings

614
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S9: and we start small. The Lord delights in the small,

615
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S9: and you better believe he's going to delight growing your

616
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S9: desire to be in God's Word. So another. My probably

617
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S9: favorite thing when it comes to biblical intake is if

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S9: you're already someone who's like, no, I read the Bible

619
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S9: in a year and I've got a steady, you know,

620
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S9: good amount of time every morning, I love that. Why

621
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S9: don't you start memorizing Scripture and memorizing scripture is fun

622
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S9: because you don't need any additional time in your day

623
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S9: to do it. You can memorize scripture while you're washing

624
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S9: the dishes, while you're waiting in the carpool pickup line,

625
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S9: while you're in between sets at the gym. You know

626
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S9: what I mean? Like, it can happen anytime, anywhere, any

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S9: part of your day.

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S1: Yeah, I love that. Keep going.

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S9: So anyway, so I'm trying to think of other biblical

630
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S9: intake seed habits. Um, hearing scripture is another huge way

631
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S9: people get into this. If you are an auditory learner,

632
00:31:29,670 --> 00:31:32,350
S9: when you get in your car, instead of putting on music,

633
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:36,430
S9: put on five minutes of Bible reading. Plug in the

634
00:31:36,430 --> 00:31:38,950
S9: Bible app or dwell. There's so many apps out there

635
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S9: now and listen to five minutes of the Psalms, read

636
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S9: over you or some Proverbs and then and then meditate

637
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S9: on it. But again, I mean, I probably have in

638
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S9: the biblical intake chapter, I bet I've got 50 seat

639
00:31:51,230 --> 00:31:55,070
S9: habit ideas of, again, small, easy ways that you can

640
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S9: just start putting God's Word in your head and in

641
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S9: your heart and carrying it with you throughout your day.

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S1: Boy, that's such a wonderful idea. You know, for there

643
00:32:03,870 --> 00:32:07,350
S1: was a time where I and Bonnie Barrow's Cliff Barrow's

644
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:08,989
S1: daughter and I went to the same church at the

645
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S1: same time. And like all three of us, she had

646
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S1: her kids in short order. And so I would ask

647
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S1: her about how she could spend time in the word

648
00:32:16,580 --> 00:32:18,460
S1: on a regular basis, and she would say what she

649
00:32:18,460 --> 00:32:20,500
S1: would do is she'd have a Bible open to a

650
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S1: passage and it would be on her dresser. And so

651
00:32:22,740 --> 00:32:24,140
S1: when she would go in to fold the laundry, there

652
00:32:24,140 --> 00:32:25,860
S1: would be the passage that she could see it again,

653
00:32:25,860 --> 00:32:27,780
S1: she'd write it down, she'd put a sticky note somewhere

654
00:32:27,780 --> 00:32:30,300
S1: in the kitchen there would be the same passage. So

655
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S1: that really helped meditate, even though you still were cleaning

656
00:32:33,860 --> 00:32:36,660
S1: up after babies and doing laundry and getting supper ready,

657
00:32:36,780 --> 00:32:39,740
S1: you constantly had that ability to meditate on the word.

658
00:32:39,740 --> 00:32:42,020
S1: Now look, something's going to go on between your ears

659
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S1: on a regular basis. I don't know about you, but

660
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S1: I would rather be setting my mind on things above

661
00:32:46,220 --> 00:32:49,740
S1: rather than ruminating on, you know, that Bill, the dog,

662
00:32:49,780 --> 00:32:52,780
S1: getting to the vet, whether or not I'm going to

663
00:32:52,780 --> 00:32:55,140
S1: be able to pay the bill this month, it just

664
00:32:55,180 --> 00:32:58,380
S1: that that proximity to the word all the time just

665
00:32:58,380 --> 00:33:01,220
S1: creates a hunger to spend more time there, not less

666
00:33:01,220 --> 00:33:03,220
S1: time there. And I can only attribute that to a

667
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S1: supernatural change. Why would I want to be drawn to

668
00:33:06,140 --> 00:33:10,060
S1: this word? It's because it's not Dickens, it's not Melville,

669
00:33:10,060 --> 00:33:12,980
S1: it's the word of God. And there's something transformative about it,

670
00:33:13,050 --> 00:33:13,729
S1: is there not?

671
00:33:14,530 --> 00:33:17,490
S9: Absolutely. Robert Morgan, who I quote a few times in

672
00:33:17,490 --> 00:33:21,170
S9: the book, talks about, um, you know, if the Word

673
00:33:21,170 --> 00:33:24,010
S9: of God is in fact the Word of God, which

674
00:33:24,010 --> 00:33:26,450
S9: you and I absolutely believe that it is, that it's

675
00:33:26,450 --> 00:33:30,290
S9: the most powerful radioactive, you know, incredible words that we

676
00:33:30,290 --> 00:33:33,130
S9: could ever think on. So, so why would we waste

677
00:33:33,130 --> 00:33:36,610
S9: having any anything else rattling around between our ears? You know,

678
00:33:36,650 --> 00:33:40,410
S9: it can change our thought life. It can change our behavior. Um,

679
00:33:41,130 --> 00:33:43,970
S9: and so to your point, I mean, your example is

680
00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:46,690
S9: exactly what I wrote about that Billy Graham did. He

681
00:33:46,690 --> 00:33:50,090
S9: had open Bibles in every room of his house. And

682
00:33:50,090 --> 00:33:52,570
S9: the way he explained it to his grandson is I

683
00:33:52,610 --> 00:33:55,890
S9: sip on the Word of God all day long. And

684
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S9: so I talk about in that book, what does it

685
00:33:57,770 --> 00:34:00,690
S9: look like for you to just sip, sip, sip all

686
00:34:00,690 --> 00:34:04,050
S9: day long on the very Word of God? Yeah.

687
00:34:04,490 --> 00:34:06,850
S1: Well, I bet you Bonnie got it from Cliff. Who

688
00:34:06,850 --> 00:34:08,810
S1: got it from Billy. And that's how they learned how

689
00:34:08,810 --> 00:34:10,529
S1: to do it. It's a small world when you think

690
00:34:10,530 --> 00:34:12,609
S1: about it. Okay. Let me tell my friends that there

691
00:34:12,650 --> 00:34:14,890
S1: is so much more in every one of these chapters

692
00:34:14,890 --> 00:34:18,129
S1: that deal with specific spiritual habits. And Hannah has such

693
00:34:18,130 --> 00:34:21,050
S1: a lovely, winsome way of writing about this and teaching

694
00:34:21,050 --> 00:34:23,969
S1: us how to do it small. So we create a

695
00:34:23,969 --> 00:34:27,330
S1: greater desire to grow in this particular habit. So even

696
00:34:27,330 --> 00:34:29,650
S1: though we just talked about devouring the word, and I

697
00:34:29,650 --> 00:34:31,569
S1: hope that that's the word that you use in your

698
00:34:31,570 --> 00:34:33,529
S1: approach to Scripture, that you're so hungry for it, you

699
00:34:33,530 --> 00:34:36,130
S1: can't get enough. There's so much more even in the

700
00:34:36,130 --> 00:34:37,730
S1: book we didn't get a chance to talk about, but

701
00:34:37,730 --> 00:34:39,529
S1: in deference to time, if I may, just to get

702
00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:42,170
S1: you thinking about what's in this book, let's talk about

703
00:34:42,170 --> 00:34:45,770
S1: being devoted to prayer. Oh, collective groan through heard throughout

704
00:34:45,770 --> 00:34:47,810
S1: the land. I don't know why this is such a

705
00:34:47,810 --> 00:34:50,370
S1: hard topic for us as believers, but bowing your head

706
00:34:50,370 --> 00:34:52,410
S1: and the next thing you know your mind is, what

707
00:34:52,450 --> 00:34:54,649
S1: did I turn the light off on the porch and

708
00:34:54,650 --> 00:34:57,530
S1: the mind just starts going. So talk to me about

709
00:34:57,530 --> 00:34:59,930
S1: if I'm going to take this spiritual habit and I

710
00:34:59,930 --> 00:35:02,890
S1: want to start from square one, where do I begin

711
00:35:02,890 --> 00:35:06,290
S1: to make this not only a habit, but a desire

712
00:35:06,290 --> 00:35:07,810
S1: to be in his presence more?

713
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S9: Okay, my favorite seed habit for prayer is when I

714
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,240
S9: pick up my toothbrush and you do that hopefully twice

715
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,440
S9: a day, right? When I pick up my toothbrush, I

716
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,480
S9: will pray and ask God to increase my desire and

717
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,839
S9: ability to pray. Such a simple prayer. It doesn't even

718
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,319
S9: have to be the whole two minutes that you're brushing

719
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,839
S9: your teeth. And we know that is God's will. That

720
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,360
S9: we would desire to pray more, and that our ability

721
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,480
S9: to connect with him, to communicate with him, to listen,

722
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,120
S9: would grow. And then my other favorite place to pray,

723
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,640
S9: and this has kind of changed my life, honestly, is

724
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,680
S9: I pray when I fold laundry and the way I

725
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,880
S9: started was actually praying for the person who owned whatever

726
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,200
S9: laundry I'm folding. So if I'm folding my daughter's clothes,

727
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,840
S9: I'm praying for her. I'm thinking about her play clothes

728
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,880
S9: versus her sleep clothes versus her school clothes. I'm praying

729
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,080
S9: for her in all of those different areas of her life. Um,

730
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,120
S9: I heard about a man who prays while he does

731
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,520
S9: his budget and as he's, you know, paying the electricity bill,

732
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,270
S9: he's asking that the Holy Spirit would give him energy

733
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:12,750
S9: as he's paying the water bill. He's asking the living

734
00:36:12,750 --> 00:36:15,029
S9: water would flow through his life. And so we can

735
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:19,030
S9: get really creative praying in our tangible life, but asking

736
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:21,029
S9: God to open our eyes to the spiritual life that

737
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:21,710
S9: we're living.

738
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S1: Yeah, I love it. I want to linger a little

739
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:25,350
S1: bit longer in prayer because I think this is a

740
00:36:25,390 --> 00:36:27,630
S1: biggie for so many of us. The book is fabulous.

741
00:36:27,630 --> 00:36:31,750
S1: It's called Everyday Spiritual Habits Small Simple Ways to Transform

742
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:34,710
S1: Your Faith starting now. Now, Hannah's giving you several of these,

743
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:36,989
S1: but the book has got loads and loads of them.

744
00:36:36,989 --> 00:36:39,670
S1: So you start small so that you can grow big,

745
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:41,870
S1: but you got to start. That's the challenge. And if

746
00:36:41,870 --> 00:36:44,550
S1: nothing else, I want this conversation to be a catalyst

747
00:36:44,590 --> 00:36:46,790
S1: for you to start putting these habits in place back

748
00:36:46,790 --> 00:37:04,070
S1: after this. Hannah Seymour's brand new book is called Everyday

749
00:37:04,070 --> 00:37:08,220
S1: Spiritual Habits Small Simple Ways to Transform Your Faith, starting now.

750
00:37:08,219 --> 00:37:09,819
S1: By the way, on our information page, I have a

751
00:37:09,820 --> 00:37:12,300
S1: link to her website. Lots of wonderful things there. Longer

752
00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:14,700
S1: bio for Hannah. But on the right hand side, there's

753
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:17,580
S1: this beautiful book. Click on through. You know, it's never

754
00:37:17,580 --> 00:37:19,379
S1: too late to start. I know we're real big on

755
00:37:19,380 --> 00:37:22,580
S1: New Year's resolutions, and they don't generally last past the

756
00:37:22,580 --> 00:37:25,779
S1: month of January, but this is a life long experience.

757
00:37:25,780 --> 00:37:27,859
S1: You heard Hannah say, who do you want to be?

758
00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:29,899
S1: You know, she wants to be a 90 year old

759
00:37:29,900 --> 00:37:32,180
S1: woman and she keeps going to the gym. She's got

760
00:37:32,180 --> 00:37:34,859
S1: six workout plans a week for her. Okay. You know,

761
00:37:34,900 --> 00:37:37,460
S1: I'm lucky if I get 60s, but I digress. The

762
00:37:37,460 --> 00:37:39,859
S1: point is, she'll get to 90. Okay? But the point is,

763
00:37:39,860 --> 00:37:41,660
S1: when she gets there, she wants to be a woman

764
00:37:41,660 --> 00:37:44,020
S1: who loves Jesus, who knows his word and has a deep,

765
00:37:44,020 --> 00:37:47,540
S1: intimate relationship with him, and that she has been transformed

766
00:37:47,540 --> 00:37:51,299
S1: to his image by spending time through these spiritual habits.

767
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S1: So I'm going to linger. And we've only just talked

768
00:37:53,060 --> 00:37:55,300
S1: about devouring the Bible. Now we're talking about being devoted

769
00:37:55,300 --> 00:37:57,219
S1: to prayer. And I want to linger just a little

770
00:37:57,260 --> 00:37:59,899
S1: bit longer to prayer. You say that prayer is an

771
00:37:59,900 --> 00:38:04,500
S1: exercise of faith. Maybe that would dramatically change our perspective

772
00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:07,730
S1: if we could really grasp hold of that concept. Why

773
00:38:07,730 --> 00:38:10,330
S1: and how is it an exercise of faith?

774
00:38:11,530 --> 00:38:13,930
S10: You know, I got to.

775
00:38:14,090 --> 00:38:18,250
S9: Dive into prayer in one of my seminary classes, and

776
00:38:18,250 --> 00:38:21,050
S9: I just really started to geek out about it because

777
00:38:21,450 --> 00:38:24,490
S9: why did God invent prayer? He doesn't need prayer. He

778
00:38:24,770 --> 00:38:27,530
S9: knows what we need before we know what we need.

779
00:38:27,770 --> 00:38:29,890
S9: You know, the psalmist says, you know a word before

780
00:38:29,890 --> 00:38:34,009
S9: it's on on my tongue. So God created prayer to

781
00:38:34,050 --> 00:38:38,290
S9: give us an opportunity to communicate and fellowship with him.

782
00:38:38,290 --> 00:38:42,410
S9: And I think he especially delights in it because prayer

783
00:38:42,410 --> 00:38:46,090
S9: takes faith for us to pray to an unseen God

784
00:38:46,090 --> 00:38:48,850
S9: and trust him to do something that we cannot do

785
00:38:48,850 --> 00:38:52,970
S9: for ourselves that requires faith. And so I believe that

786
00:38:52,969 --> 00:38:56,930
S9: it pleases the Lord when we pray for that, just

787
00:38:56,930 --> 00:38:59,930
S9: that one reason that it requires faith. And we know

788
00:38:59,930 --> 00:39:03,730
S9: Scripture says, without faith it's impossible to please God. So

789
00:39:03,890 --> 00:39:08,290
S9: I just, I think the practice of prayer is can

790
00:39:08,290 --> 00:39:11,410
S9: be challenging. The disciples even asked Jesus, Lord, teach us

791
00:39:11,410 --> 00:39:13,330
S9: to pray. You know, I mean, I think that shows

792
00:39:13,330 --> 00:39:16,330
S9: us from from the beginning, we've struggled with this idea

793
00:39:16,330 --> 00:39:19,049
S9: of praying to an unseen God and trusting him with

794
00:39:19,050 --> 00:39:23,210
S9: the outcomes of things that we, um, so deeply desire.

795
00:39:23,570 --> 00:39:27,129
S9: But if we can start thinking about praying without ceasing,

796
00:39:27,690 --> 00:39:30,290
S9: not that you literally never stop praying, but that it's

797
00:39:30,290 --> 00:39:34,810
S9: a compulsive habit that we just are continually triggered to pray.

798
00:39:35,250 --> 00:39:38,089
S9: And if you want a place in your life to

799
00:39:38,130 --> 00:39:41,850
S9: start coupling, praying with. I love to pray. When I wait,

800
00:39:41,890 --> 00:39:45,050
S9: you know, we wait. I think I read somewhere that

801
00:39:45,170 --> 00:39:47,970
S9: the average person waits anywhere from 20 to 40 minutes

802
00:39:48,010 --> 00:39:50,049
S9: a day. You know, we're waiting at traffic lights. We're

803
00:39:50,050 --> 00:39:53,170
S9: waiting in line for our coffee. We wait on people

804
00:39:53,170 --> 00:39:55,609
S9: like crazy for my kids to put on their shoes,

805
00:39:55,610 --> 00:39:58,089
S9: for your spouse to come home for, you know, the

806
00:39:58,090 --> 00:40:01,010
S9: meeting to start. We wait when for tech to load

807
00:40:01,010 --> 00:40:04,920
S9: our microwaves, elevators, all these places we wait. What if

808
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,040
S9: you just started praying? Instead of picking up your phone

809
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:13,760
S9: when you wait, you just. Hi, Lord. I'm here. You're here.

810
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,800
S9: Why do we need to talk about right now? What

811
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,040
S9: is bouncing around in my head that I need to

812
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,040
S9: submit to you? Where do I have anxieties and worries?

813
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,160
S9: Because I'm not trusting you. Who is someone that you've

814
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,800
S9: put in my life that needs your spirit to move?

815
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,640
S9: How can I be interceding for them?

816
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,719
S1: Oh, again, they're so you know what I loved about

817
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,400
S1: what you just did? You exemplified a relationship. Not a ritual,

818
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,239
S1: not a routine, but a relationship. You talked like you

819
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,680
S1: would talk to somebody that you cared about was a

820
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,200
S1: best friend. You know, what should we talk about and

821
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,480
S1: willing to listen to what the other person has to say?

822
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,279
S1: What is it that keeps us from seeing? You know,

823
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,520
S1: that old hymn, what a Friend We have in Jesus.

824
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,560
S1: He's so much more than that. But if we don't

825
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,839
S1: recognize him as a friend that we. He prays for us.

826
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,000
S1: He walks with us. He. He's our all in all.

827
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,030
S1: If we can't get past the routine and the rituals,

828
00:41:04,030 --> 00:41:06,150
S1: we'll never get to the relationship, it seems to me.

829
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:10,469
S9: I think we just forget that we are actually praying

830
00:41:10,510 --> 00:41:13,230
S9: to the God of the universe. He hears you. The

831
00:41:13,230 --> 00:41:18,350
S9: psalmist says, you bend down to hear me. I think

832
00:41:18,350 --> 00:41:21,230
S9: so often we open our mouths before a meal, especially,

833
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:23,189
S9: you know, dear Lord, thank you for this day. Thank

834
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:24,990
S9: you for this food. Amen. It's like, no, no, no,

835
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:29,550
S9: you just had the ear of the all sovereign, King

836
00:41:29,590 --> 00:41:32,669
S9: of kings, Lord of lords, creator of the universe. He

837
00:41:32,670 --> 00:41:35,910
S9: is seated at the right hand of God interceding for you.

838
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:39,069
S9: And you just had his ear talk to him. This

839
00:41:39,070 --> 00:41:40,630
S9: does not have to be. You don't have to have

840
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:42,790
S9: all the right words. You don't need to be a

841
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:47,989
S9: prayer ninja. Praying is not a supernatural spiritual gift. It's

842
00:41:48,270 --> 00:41:52,190
S9: breathing for the believer in Jesus Christ. We need it

843
00:41:52,190 --> 00:41:55,350
S9: to fuel us to communicate and connect with our Lord.

844
00:41:55,590 --> 00:41:59,550
S9: So you know, my encouragement is just come as you are.

845
00:41:59,750 --> 00:42:03,260
S9: My pastor says, pray what you got? You know, it's like, what? What?

846
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:06,900
S9: The Lord knows what's already bouncing in between your ears anyway,

847
00:42:06,900 --> 00:42:09,020
S9: so why don't you just talk to him about it?

848
00:42:09,020 --> 00:42:11,379
S9: But I think to your point, we over communicate or

849
00:42:11,380 --> 00:42:14,060
S9: we over complicate it, and we think it has to

850
00:42:14,100 --> 00:42:16,660
S9: sound a certain way or look a certain way. And

851
00:42:16,660 --> 00:42:18,700
S9: I think the Lord is just waiting for us to

852
00:42:18,739 --> 00:42:19,620
S9: show up.

853
00:42:19,860 --> 00:42:22,819
S1: Yeah, I do too. And I don't know, it's so

854
00:42:22,820 --> 00:42:24,700
S1: much of it depends on how we raise. The older

855
00:42:24,700 --> 00:42:26,500
S1: I get, the more I really realize this, that if

856
00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:28,899
S1: you had a a dad that was absentee, then you

857
00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:30,500
S1: pray and you think that God's not there. If you

858
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:32,859
S1: had a punitive dad, then he's playing whack a mole

859
00:42:32,860 --> 00:42:34,540
S1: with you at every turn and he's going to really

860
00:42:34,540 --> 00:42:37,300
S1: ground you if you do something wrong. But we can't

861
00:42:37,300 --> 00:42:39,460
S1: get you right beautifully. Right at the beginning of the

862
00:42:39,460 --> 00:42:42,020
S1: book about God is love. And we really I don't

863
00:42:42,020 --> 00:42:43,899
S1: know if we ever grasped fully aware of that. We've

864
00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:45,819
S1: got little Mickey Mouse mortal minds. I don't know how

865
00:42:45,820 --> 00:42:48,540
S1: we can conceptualize the great King of the universe, who

866
00:42:48,540 --> 00:42:50,660
S1: is the only one of whom, it is said is love.

867
00:42:50,700 --> 00:42:53,940
S1: How can we constantly bring that in, particularly when the

868
00:42:53,940 --> 00:42:57,820
S1: mortal experience is predicated on conditional love, and the only

869
00:42:57,820 --> 00:43:00,540
S1: one who ever has or ever will love us unconditionally

870
00:43:00,540 --> 00:43:03,219
S1: is God Himself. Just as a sister in the Lord.

871
00:43:03,219 --> 00:43:04,660
S1: How do you get over that? How do you begin

872
00:43:04,660 --> 00:43:07,740
S1: to try to grasp all. Paul writes about this beautifully.

873
00:43:07,739 --> 00:43:09,660
S1: We can't really grasp the width and the depth and

874
00:43:09,660 --> 00:43:11,780
S1: the breadth of God's love, but oh, if we could,

875
00:43:11,780 --> 00:43:13,899
S1: that would change us so dramatically. How do we do that?

876
00:43:13,940 --> 00:43:17,020
S9: Yeah, not to beat a dead horse, Janet, but I

877
00:43:17,020 --> 00:43:19,620
S9: think it's time in his word. You know, my dad

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S9: always says, apart from God's word, God's Spirit and God's people,

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S9: we cannot grow in this spiritual life. But I think

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S9: the combination of those three things will show you. The

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S9: character of God, will show you his love for you,

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S9: and you just have to trust it and believe it.

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S1: I agree, but you have to start somewhere. And that's

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S1: really what the book is all about. Can I just apologize?

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S1: We barely touched on two. There are several more that

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S1: we didn't even get to. Seven yes, I wanted to

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00:43:49,300 --> 00:43:52,380
S1: talk about toasting the joy. That's one I absolutely loved.

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00:43:52,420 --> 00:43:54,700
S1: I thought, oh, I'm digging into the book of Philippians

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S1: right now. So that really resonated with me to talk

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S1: about toasting to joy and cultivating friendship and abiding in

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S1: him and scattering seeds. Just excellent. Excellent counsel. Hannah, I'm

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S1: so thankful that I personally had a chance to read

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S1: the book, because it really helped me to go back

894
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S1: to the basics again, not the discipline that that's a

895
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S1: negative word that has an ambience that pulls you back

896
00:44:13,650 --> 00:44:16,529
S1: rather than pulls you in. Then look at it instead

897
00:44:16,530 --> 00:44:20,410
S1: as spiritual habits. Habits that can change you completely. I'm

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00:44:20,410 --> 00:44:22,730
S1: going to go back to Hannah's definition because it's brilliant.

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S1: Spiritual habits are intentional practices means you got to. The

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S1: will precedes the emotion. You have to, with volitional choice, say,

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S1: I'm going to do this. Why? Because they will help

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00:44:32,890 --> 00:44:35,930
S1: us know and love God. They will help us sustain

903
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S1: fellowship with him, the King of all creation. We get

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S1: to have a relationship with him. And last but not least,

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S1: to shape us to reflect his character. That's so important. Hannah.

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S1: I love the book. Friends, get a copy and then

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S1: get two more and give it to two friends. Thanks, Hannah,

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S1: for a great conversation. Thank you friends. We'll see you

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S1: next time on In the Market with Janet Parshall.