1 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,119 S1: You know what that music means. That's right friend. It's 2 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,760 S1: time again for a conversation. From the heart to the heart. 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,760 S1: For the heart. We call it Chris Fabry Live. And 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,840 S1: every month we feature two men who come alongside us 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,360 S1: and answer questions about the Bible. Not trivia questions, but 6 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,200 S1: questions you have when you are reading through the Bible 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,000 S1: and you wonder, why is that in here? How do 8 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,840 S1: I interpret that? How do I understand this in light 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,680 S1: of the other verses that say this? Well, that's why 10 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,520 S1: the two Michaels are here right now. So you have, 11 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,720 S1: if you have a question, maybe a Christian life question, 12 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:38,600 S1: jump on the phone right now. Don't wait until the 13 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:48,959 S1: end of the hour. Call 87754836758775483675. The two Michaels are 14 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,479 S1: straight ahead at the radio backyard fence. Find out more 15 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:56,040 S1: about us online@chris.org and thank our team behind the scenes. 16 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,000 S1: Ryan McConaughey doing all things technical. Trish is our producer. 17 00:00:59,340 --> 00:01:02,620 S1: Lisa's helping out. Josh will be answering your calls. Now, 18 00:01:02,620 --> 00:01:04,620 S1: here they are. They put the odd in podcast the 19 00:01:04,620 --> 00:01:07,060 S1: out and devout the fish and efficient co-editors of the 20 00:01:07,060 --> 00:01:10,420 S1: moody Bible commentary doctor Michael Rudnick, host of open line 21 00:01:10,459 --> 00:01:14,300 S1: professor emeritus of Jewish Studies and Bible at Moody Bible Institute, 22 00:01:14,500 --> 00:01:17,539 S1: and Doctor Michael Van Landingham, retired professor from Moody and 23 00:01:17,540 --> 00:01:21,140 S1: former pastor of biblical research at Harvest Bible Chapel in Elgin, Illinois. 24 00:01:21,180 --> 00:01:26,300 S1: Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the two Michaels. Yay! Yay! 25 00:01:29,660 --> 00:01:32,899 S1: It worked well. Ryan, can that we got to use 26 00:01:32,900 --> 00:01:34,979 S1: that again? Because that was just the perfect way for 27 00:01:34,980 --> 00:01:38,140 S1: the music to come in there and everything that was there. 28 00:01:38,459 --> 00:01:38,979 S1: I even liked. 29 00:01:38,980 --> 00:01:42,059 S2: It. Even Tricia got excited. Yes she did. Her waving 30 00:01:42,060 --> 00:01:42,979 S2: her arms and everything. 31 00:01:43,020 --> 00:01:48,060 S1: And Lori was waving too. Thank you Lori. I called 32 00:01:48,060 --> 00:01:51,940 S1: I mistakenly called Lisa Lori last week, and they're not 33 00:01:51,940 --> 00:01:54,900 S1: letting me forget it, and neither will I. Yeah, yeah. 34 00:01:55,140 --> 00:01:57,220 S1: Doctor Van Landingham, you doing okay today? 35 00:01:58,250 --> 00:02:00,690 S3: I am, I. My voice is kind of messed up, 36 00:02:00,690 --> 00:02:02,450 S3: but that's because of Covid a year and a half 37 00:02:02,450 --> 00:02:06,050 S3: ago and otherwise I am in the pink of health. 38 00:02:07,290 --> 00:02:10,170 S1: We are raring to go. Okay, first question is from 39 00:02:10,210 --> 00:02:14,810 S1: our pal Wayne. Wayne writes me periodically, and he does 40 00:02:14,810 --> 00:02:18,049 S1: you to doctor because he listens to open line and 41 00:02:18,050 --> 00:02:21,850 S1: he says, I'm at page 92 of my book, How 42 00:02:21,850 --> 00:02:25,410 S1: Should Christians Think About Israel? It's been very interesting. I 43 00:02:25,450 --> 00:02:29,169 S1: have seen a rise in anti-Semitism. So my question is, 44 00:02:29,690 --> 00:02:32,850 S1: is this one of the growing pains of the end times, 45 00:02:33,010 --> 00:02:36,930 S1: or am I reading too much into this? So, Doctor Rudnick, 46 00:02:36,970 --> 00:02:37,490 S1: you start. 47 00:02:38,210 --> 00:02:41,690 S2: Well, I think that the answer is yes and no. 48 00:02:41,690 --> 00:02:45,450 S2: Here's the, uh, what we see in Scripture is that 49 00:02:45,450 --> 00:02:48,250 S2: there will be a massive rise in hatred of the 50 00:02:48,250 --> 00:02:51,810 S2: Jewish people and particularly of Israel. It says that at 51 00:02:51,810 --> 00:02:56,050 S2: the end of days, the campaign of Armageddon. God promises 52 00:02:56,050 --> 00:02:59,310 S2: that all nations will gather against Jerusalem at the end 53 00:02:59,310 --> 00:03:02,750 S2: of days. They will be defeated. But there is this 54 00:03:02,750 --> 00:03:07,070 S2: idea of the nations gathering. There's the idea of the 55 00:03:07,070 --> 00:03:12,790 S2: future false Messiah, the Antichrist who will persecute the Jewish people. 56 00:03:12,830 --> 00:03:17,669 S2: Satan is noted for that in revelation 12. Uh, so 57 00:03:18,470 --> 00:03:21,230 S2: could this be the foreshadowing of that? The answer is yes. 58 00:03:21,910 --> 00:03:23,910 S2: But on the other hand, if you look at the 59 00:03:23,910 --> 00:03:27,270 S2: history of hatred of the Jewish people, there's a reason 60 00:03:27,270 --> 00:03:29,990 S2: people call it the oldest hatred. And it kind of 61 00:03:30,030 --> 00:03:34,430 S2: ebbs and flows. It's kind of something that's always under 62 00:03:34,430 --> 00:03:42,350 S2: the surface and then, uh, erupts periodically. I can't imagine 63 00:03:42,350 --> 00:03:44,630 S2: that it's at this point, we're not as bad as 64 00:03:44,630 --> 00:03:50,950 S2: we were in 1935 in Germany, so or 1939 or 65 00:03:50,990 --> 00:03:53,750 S2: whatever we're going to say. So it seems to me 66 00:03:53,750 --> 00:03:57,140 S2: that I understand anti-Semitism in this way, the rise of 67 00:03:57,140 --> 00:04:02,300 S2: anti-Semitism that. Just as I think there's always someone that 68 00:04:02,300 --> 00:04:05,580 S2: Satan could use to become the future false Messiah in 69 00:04:05,580 --> 00:04:10,740 S2: every generation, there's someone that he might indwell and, and 70 00:04:10,740 --> 00:04:15,180 S2: empower to do that so that as circumstances come about 71 00:04:15,180 --> 00:04:17,220 S2: in the end of days, he could use that person. 72 00:04:17,220 --> 00:04:21,339 S2: So I think he always rises, causes anti-Semitism to rise. 73 00:04:21,580 --> 00:04:25,820 S2: So that should the end of days come about and 74 00:04:25,860 --> 00:04:30,099 S2: the the period of the tribulation were to start, he 75 00:04:30,100 --> 00:04:33,020 S2: would have the world ready for what it is that 76 00:04:33,020 --> 00:04:36,580 S2: he wants to accomplish. So I'm not one for saying, oh, 77 00:04:36,620 --> 00:04:39,900 S2: this is it. Now, it may be or it may 78 00:04:39,940 --> 00:04:44,380 S2: be another time, but that's why I think that that, uh, 79 00:04:44,540 --> 00:04:47,580 S2: it's sort of like under the surface at all times 80 00:04:47,580 --> 00:04:51,060 S2: and ready to be to erupt. That's what I think 81 00:04:51,100 --> 00:04:51,900 S2: with Jew hatred. 82 00:04:53,300 --> 00:04:57,160 S3: Yeah. I, I mean, that's a really good nuanced answer 83 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,600 S3: and not much. I could improve on that. All I 84 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,120 S3: can say is, is that what we're experiencing now is 85 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,680 S3: probably something like what's going to be taking place in 86 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,560 S3: our prophetic days in the future. It'll be sort of 87 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,080 S3: along the same lines as this, only it'll get much, 88 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,320 S3: much worse as well. So that's that's how I would 89 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:15,760 S3: see it. 90 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,920 S2: Can I just say something that Mike V, one of 91 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:23,200 S2: the most encouraging things about my friendship with Mike is 92 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:28,800 S2: that he's one that will always stand against this rise. Uh, he's, 93 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,760 S2: he's the kind of person, you know, we Jewish people, 94 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,480 S2: we think a little differently than others. We think if 95 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,520 S2: the Nazis come, who's going to turn us over? MM. 96 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,800 S2: Of our friends. And who would do anything to save us? 97 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,640 S2: Mike's one of the people. Mike and Sue, they're the 98 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,080 S2: people that would save us. And that that means a 99 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:47,640 S2: tremendous amount to me. 100 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,760 S1: What do you think we were talking before? What do 101 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:55,350 S1: you think about the situation with Iran, the strikes and 102 00:05:55,350 --> 00:05:57,630 S1: what's going on there militarily. Michael? 103 00:05:57,950 --> 00:06:00,190 S2: Well, first of all, I think that there are there 104 00:06:00,230 --> 00:06:02,830 S2: are even believers who are saying that we went to 105 00:06:02,870 --> 00:06:05,750 S2: war for Israel. I want to be really clear about this. 106 00:06:06,390 --> 00:06:09,830 S2: We did not. The United States of America did not 107 00:06:09,830 --> 00:06:12,750 S2: go to war for Israel to think that the that 108 00:06:12,790 --> 00:06:17,469 S2: the state of Israel and Benjamin Netanyahu could somehow make 109 00:06:17,470 --> 00:06:23,070 S2: Donald Trump do anything is ridiculous. Uh, the, the the 110 00:06:23,230 --> 00:06:28,909 S2: truth of the matter is that Iran was working on 111 00:06:29,190 --> 00:06:32,270 S2: obviously developing nuclear warheads, but they were also working on 112 00:06:32,270 --> 00:06:35,590 S2: ballistic missiles. They wanted to get to ballistic missiles that 113 00:06:35,589 --> 00:06:39,830 S2: wouldn't just reach the Gulf states, reach Europe and reach, uh, 114 00:06:40,110 --> 00:06:43,870 S2: reach Israel. They wanted ballistic missiles that would reach the 115 00:06:43,870 --> 00:06:47,029 S2: United States of America. That's what they were working on. 116 00:06:47,029 --> 00:06:49,870 S2: Long distance ballistic missiles that they could arm with a 117 00:06:49,870 --> 00:06:54,210 S2: nuclear warhead and hold America hostage. This is the information 118 00:06:54,210 --> 00:06:57,210 S2: that wasn't just secret to the president. It was known 119 00:06:57,490 --> 00:07:01,850 S2: to everyone. And the president of the United States determined 120 00:07:01,850 --> 00:07:04,450 S2: that it was closer than we thought. And that's why 121 00:07:04,450 --> 00:07:06,290 S2: he acted the way he did. And I think it's 122 00:07:06,290 --> 00:07:10,850 S2: really important that people recognize this, that that whether you 123 00:07:10,850 --> 00:07:14,730 S2: agree with Donald Trump or not, he did it not 124 00:07:14,730 --> 00:07:20,090 S2: for Israel, but for the United States of America. And, uh, the, 125 00:07:20,130 --> 00:07:22,970 S2: the idea that, I mean, I think Israel had their 126 00:07:22,970 --> 00:07:28,410 S2: own reasons, obviously, you know, the Ayatollah Khamenei called Israel, uh, 127 00:07:28,410 --> 00:07:33,330 S2: a one bomb country. He, they wanted the nukes so 128 00:07:33,330 --> 00:07:38,930 S2: they could destroy Israel. Uh, and so Israelis, wherever they 129 00:07:38,930 --> 00:07:45,570 S2: are politically today, left, right, center, they support this, uh, 130 00:07:45,930 --> 00:07:50,950 S2: war because they saw Iran as an existential threat. And 131 00:07:50,950 --> 00:07:54,470 S2: and so that's what's going on in Israel, however, for 132 00:07:54,470 --> 00:07:58,670 S2: the United States. Uh, it was because of the threat 133 00:07:58,710 --> 00:08:02,310 S2: of a nuclear warhead landing in Washington or New York 134 00:08:02,310 --> 00:08:06,550 S2: City that that act that caused President Trump to call 135 00:08:06,550 --> 00:08:07,910 S2: for this. Yeah. 136 00:08:08,110 --> 00:08:10,429 S1: Doctor Van Landingham, any any follow up to that? 137 00:08:10,790 --> 00:08:14,070 S3: Sure. Um, it's very interesting to me. I assume that 138 00:08:14,070 --> 00:08:18,150 S3: these reports are are accurate, but their celebrations in the church, 139 00:08:18,230 --> 00:08:19,470 S3: in the streets of Iran. 140 00:08:19,550 --> 00:08:19,870 S2: Yeah. 141 00:08:19,910 --> 00:08:25,310 S3: Because of the, the, the current, um, administration being overthrown there. 142 00:08:25,310 --> 00:08:27,390 S3: And so I'm thinking, well, if they're happy, we ought 143 00:08:27,390 --> 00:08:31,070 S3: to be happy for them, I think. And, and you're right, Michael. 144 00:08:31,310 --> 00:08:34,510 S3: I mean, eventually, probably sooner rather than later, they were 145 00:08:34,510 --> 00:08:36,510 S3: going to have nuclear weapons and they would have used 146 00:08:36,510 --> 00:08:39,870 S3: them against the little Satan, which is Israel and the 147 00:08:39,870 --> 00:08:43,790 S3: Big Satan, which is America. And, and the fact that, uh, Mr. 148 00:08:43,790 --> 00:08:47,750 S3: Trump is catching so much flak about having done this, 149 00:08:47,790 --> 00:08:52,460 S3: I think people just don't understand how serious those those 150 00:08:52,460 --> 00:08:55,820 S3: people are. The Iranians are about trying to do damage 151 00:08:55,820 --> 00:08:58,500 S3: to us, and I think it was the wisest thing 152 00:08:58,500 --> 00:09:00,020 S3: that our president could have done. 153 00:09:00,380 --> 00:09:04,060 S2: Mhm. I'll go one other step. I don't know if 154 00:09:04,059 --> 00:09:06,740 S2: we can exercise regime change. I would hope it. I 155 00:09:06,740 --> 00:09:09,459 S2: pray for it. I've been praying for regime change there 156 00:09:09,460 --> 00:09:14,020 S2: for a long time. But there are other factors that 157 00:09:14,020 --> 00:09:19,420 S2: cause this, uh, to, to happen. And, uh, and the 158 00:09:19,420 --> 00:09:21,660 S2: other thing that I've noticed that has to do with 159 00:09:21,660 --> 00:09:25,300 S2: China and America and China and things like that. However, uh, 160 00:09:25,300 --> 00:09:28,620 S2: because Iran was the number one supplier of oil for China. 161 00:09:28,860 --> 00:09:30,860 S2: And so this has to do with our relations with 162 00:09:30,860 --> 00:09:38,900 S2: China as well, but I will. Say this, Iran is 163 00:09:38,900 --> 00:09:44,260 S2: using committing war crimes every day. They're using ballistic missiles 164 00:09:44,260 --> 00:09:49,160 S2: deliberately going into, uh, Civilian areas. They are not trying 165 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:53,360 S2: to reach military targets at all. And all those people 166 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,640 S2: that scream about war crimes are not saying a single word. Uh, 167 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,920 S2: and I think that that isn't that interesting. As long 168 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:02,959 S2: as the war crimes are being committed against Israel, no 169 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,520 S2: one seems to care. In the UN and places like that. 170 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:11,400 S1: That's Doctor Michael, doctor Michael Vanlandingham, they are yours. They 171 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,959 S1: are in the house on today's edition of Chris Fabry Live. 172 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,920 S1: If you have a question or a comment about what 173 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,439 S1: we've said thus far or question about the Bible, Wayne 174 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:25,280 S1: had a really good question about the whole Israel anti-Semitism, 175 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,079 S1: the end times. He wrote that to me in an email. 176 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:38,480 S1: I want you to call us 87754836758775483675. We have open 177 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,199 S1: lines for you right now. All the lines are open. 178 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,320 S1: You're going to get through. We'll get to as many 179 00:10:43,320 --> 00:11:02,870 S1: of your questions as we can Again (877) 548-3675. You are 180 00:11:02,870 --> 00:11:04,750 S1: going to get through today and talk with the two 181 00:11:04,790 --> 00:11:07,870 S1: Michaels here on Saint Patrick's Day. I haven't even mentioned 182 00:11:07,870 --> 00:11:15,429 S1: Saint Patrick's Day. Uh (877) 548-3675 is our number. You can 183 00:11:15,429 --> 00:11:19,750 S1: ask your question from Genesis to Revelation and everything in between. 184 00:11:19,990 --> 00:11:23,429 S1: I've got a question here from, uh, Skeeter who saw you. 185 00:11:23,470 --> 00:11:27,230 S1: Michael in Saudi Daisy, Tennessee. And we're going to get 186 00:11:27,230 --> 00:11:29,150 S1: to that here in a minute. Let me just throw 187 00:11:29,190 --> 00:11:33,030 S1: Saint Patty's Day first to you, doctor Van Landingham, anything 188 00:11:33,030 --> 00:11:36,870 S1: to say about Patrick and what he did in Ireland 189 00:11:36,910 --> 00:11:37,950 S1: all those years ago? 190 00:11:38,910 --> 00:11:41,110 S3: You know, I don't know enough about him to comment 191 00:11:41,110 --> 00:11:42,670 S3: other than he was a really good guy. And I'm 192 00:11:42,670 --> 00:11:45,610 S3: not sure why everybody wants to get drunk on his holiday, right? 193 00:11:45,850 --> 00:11:48,370 S3: But it's you know, I mean, he was quite a 194 00:11:48,370 --> 00:11:52,010 S3: missionary that that much I know. But, um, that's about it. 195 00:11:52,330 --> 00:11:55,170 S2: I drove the snakes out of Ireland. Right. Isn't that 196 00:11:55,170 --> 00:11:56,210 S2: what he did in theory? 197 00:11:56,250 --> 00:11:57,210 S4: Yeah, that's what they say. 198 00:11:57,250 --> 00:12:01,010 S2: So, you know, he actually had a tremendous impact. And 199 00:12:01,210 --> 00:12:05,930 S2: so did the church that was established in Ireland. Wonderful 200 00:12:05,970 --> 00:12:10,530 S2: book written. Now the author escapes me, but it was 201 00:12:10,530 --> 00:12:15,929 S2: called How the Irish Saved Civilization. And it's a good read, 202 00:12:16,090 --> 00:12:20,650 S2: and it's a great reminder of how influential the Irish were. 203 00:12:20,850 --> 00:12:27,130 S2: Irish monks were in copying the great philosophers from Greece and. 204 00:12:27,130 --> 00:12:31,050 S2: And in the dark ages of Europe. In Ireland they 205 00:12:31,050 --> 00:12:36,530 S2: were maintaining in knowledge that Thomas Cahill. Thomas Cahill. That's right. 206 00:12:36,570 --> 00:12:39,130 S2: So that's that's what I would say. There was an 207 00:12:39,130 --> 00:12:44,360 S2: interesting article today in the Wall Street Journal for, uh, 208 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:48,760 S2: this has to do with the first question that was asked. Uh, uh, 209 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,840 S2: someone named Hennessey, Matthew Hennessey wrote an article about the 210 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,960 S2: explosion of hatred of Jewish people in Ireland. And the 211 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,280 S2: irony of it that just a generation ago, there was 212 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:07,000 S2: an Irish, a Jewish mayor of Dublin, uh, the mayor Briscoe. 213 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,880 S2: And at the same time at the the president of 214 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:16,040 S2: Israel was, uh, Chaim Herzog, who was from Ireland and, uh, 215 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,720 S2: born in Ireland. And in fact, today his son Isaac 216 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:24,959 S2: Herzog is the president of Israel. But, uh, so, but he, 217 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:30,240 S2: he addressed in this article the irony of one time, uh, 218 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:35,760 S2: such a tight relationship and now it has exploded since ten, seven, uh, 219 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,440 S2: 23 with the, the attack by Hamas, how it has 220 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,380 S2: turned the nation virtually against Israel and tolerate hatred of 221 00:13:43,380 --> 00:13:46,740 S2: Jewish people. By the way, a great, uh, in the 1980s, 222 00:13:46,740 --> 00:13:48,780 S2: there was a good history of Israel written by the 223 00:13:48,780 --> 00:13:53,660 S2: Irish ambassador to the UN, Conor Cruise O'Brien. And, uh, 224 00:13:53,660 --> 00:13:58,420 S2: that was an outstanding, very supportive of Israel history written 225 00:13:58,420 --> 00:13:59,380 S2: called the siege. 226 00:14:00,980 --> 00:14:03,939 S1: Interesting. All right, let's go to our phones. Peter is 227 00:14:03,940 --> 00:14:06,380 S1: in Berwyn, Illinois. Peter, you were the very first to 228 00:14:06,380 --> 00:14:11,420 S1: call today at (877) 548-3675. It was easy, wasn't it? Easy 229 00:14:11,420 --> 00:14:14,020 S1: just to call and ask your question so far? 230 00:14:14,059 --> 00:14:15,420 S5: It sure was. Thank you. 231 00:14:16,420 --> 00:14:18,620 S1: All right. You've got the two Michaels. Go right ahead. 232 00:14:19,460 --> 00:14:22,940 S5: Hi, brothers. Um, yeah, I just want to know. I'm 233 00:14:22,940 --> 00:14:25,940 S5: a little bit in the dark about is America in 234 00:14:25,940 --> 00:14:28,740 S5: the Bible. And in the end time, will America go 235 00:14:28,740 --> 00:14:30,300 S5: against Israel also? 236 00:14:33,060 --> 00:14:36,220 S3: Um, America is not in the Bible, as near as 237 00:14:36,220 --> 00:14:40,420 S3: far as I know. Um, it, it, it might be 238 00:14:40,420 --> 00:14:44,370 S3: an extension of the Roman Empire, but I don't think so. Um, 239 00:14:44,370 --> 00:14:47,570 S3: it seems to me that there's obviously more concern about 240 00:14:47,570 --> 00:14:52,010 S3: what's happening in Europe and maybe even Africa and the East, 241 00:14:52,010 --> 00:14:54,490 S3: as well as the Middle East. But I also want 242 00:14:54,530 --> 00:14:56,810 S3: to suggest that, you know, it could be a couple 243 00:14:56,850 --> 00:14:59,850 S3: of things. People say that we're not in Bible prophecy 244 00:14:59,850 --> 00:15:03,130 S3: because the United States is going to be destroyed. That's 245 00:15:03,130 --> 00:15:07,490 S3: a possibility. But another possibility is that we've just become 246 00:15:07,490 --> 00:15:10,570 S3: that we might become so isolationist that we just want 247 00:15:10,610 --> 00:15:12,570 S3: to stay out of all of that. It seems to 248 00:15:12,570 --> 00:15:15,250 S3: me that that might be the more likely thing to understand. 249 00:15:15,770 --> 00:15:18,570 S3: And so I don't think the Bible does talk about 250 00:15:18,570 --> 00:15:21,930 S3: America in end times, but, um, but we'll see. It's 251 00:15:21,930 --> 00:15:23,010 S3: remotely possible. 252 00:15:23,770 --> 00:15:29,050 S2: I think it's interesting that some of the leading potential 253 00:15:29,370 --> 00:15:35,570 S2: candidates for president on the democratic world are embracing a 254 00:15:35,570 --> 00:15:43,990 S2: very strong anti-Israel policy. The governor of California, Newsom, has 255 00:15:44,150 --> 00:15:49,950 S2: called Israel a genocidal nation, and others are along that line. 256 00:15:49,950 --> 00:15:52,830 S2: And then what we're seeing on the right and the 257 00:15:52,830 --> 00:15:58,710 S2: Republican Party is a growing faction of haters of Israel, 258 00:15:59,190 --> 00:16:04,510 S2: led by certain podcasters. Uh, and so it seems to 259 00:16:04,550 --> 00:16:09,990 S2: me that we don't know Israel, America might become isolationist, 260 00:16:09,990 --> 00:16:13,110 S2: as Michael said, or might be among those nations that 261 00:16:13,110 --> 00:16:18,350 S2: gather against Jerusalem someday. Um, we just don't know. Here's 262 00:16:18,350 --> 00:16:20,910 S2: the thing that we have to be with prophecy. We 263 00:16:20,910 --> 00:16:24,590 S2: have to be really humble because so often people want 264 00:16:24,590 --> 00:16:26,630 S2: to know what's going to happen. Mike and I, we 265 00:16:26,630 --> 00:16:29,190 S2: were going to write that book, what exactly what's going 266 00:16:29,190 --> 00:16:31,950 S2: to happen in prophecy so that we could, you know, 267 00:16:31,990 --> 00:16:38,270 S2: make a mint. But we opted not to do that because. Because, uh, 268 00:16:38,530 --> 00:16:41,890 S2: even though we could write it and speculate it, we thought, well, 269 00:16:41,930 --> 00:16:44,250 S2: probably that wouldn't be true to the text. We have 270 00:16:44,250 --> 00:16:46,930 S2: to have a humble attitude and see what's going to happen. 271 00:16:47,290 --> 00:16:49,010 S6: Yeah, it's a good question, Peter. 272 00:16:49,010 --> 00:16:52,490 S1: Thank you for calling today. Let's go a little further 273 00:16:52,490 --> 00:16:55,570 S1: into this. And it's interesting that all of our callers 274 00:16:55,570 --> 00:16:58,530 S1: so far are men. Craig is in Cleveland. Craig, what 275 00:16:58,530 --> 00:17:00,210 S1: did you want to ask the two? Michaels. 276 00:17:01,370 --> 00:17:05,290 S7: Yes. Thank you so much for taking my call. I 277 00:17:05,570 --> 00:17:08,290 S7: recently listened to a podcast this weekend, and they were 278 00:17:08,290 --> 00:17:14,689 S7: talking about winning the physical war militarily, but losing the 279 00:17:14,850 --> 00:17:19,330 S7: the battle politically. And what they had spoke about was 280 00:17:19,330 --> 00:17:24,570 S7: the fact that in this podcasters view, we took out a. 281 00:17:27,090 --> 00:17:31,930 S7: An interim leader that was, so to speak, pro-American. And 282 00:17:31,930 --> 00:17:36,290 S7: we have now put in place a more radical leader 283 00:17:36,290 --> 00:17:42,240 S7: that is more pro, you know, nuclear bombs than the 284 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,680 S7: previous regime. And so I just wanted to get your 285 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,120 S7: feedback or your comments on that. Uh. 286 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:52,000 S2: Well, I can't imagine. I'm just jumping in, Craig. I 287 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:56,560 S2: can't imagine what podcast said that. Uh. 288 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,520 S1: You don't have to tell us. Don't tell us. 289 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:03,600 S2: Don't tell us. But, uh, the there was no, there 290 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:08,720 S2: were no moderates in the leadership of Iran. Absolutely none. 291 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:13,160 S2: And today, Israel announced that they got the de facto leader, 292 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:18,080 S2: Ali Larijani. Uh, if he. And he was like the 293 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:24,480 S2: guy that was the COO for Ayatollah Khomeini. And if 294 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:29,960 S2: he had not agreed with the leadership's hatred of Israel, 295 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:37,660 S2: their financing of terrorist groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, The Houthis. Uh, 296 00:18:38,100 --> 00:18:41,780 S2: if if he had not agreed with that boy, he 297 00:18:41,780 --> 00:18:46,860 S2: was pretty ineffective in getting that to stop. Uh, no, I, 298 00:18:46,900 --> 00:18:49,580 S2: I think that this is someone trying just to find 299 00:18:49,619 --> 00:18:55,220 S2: fault with what the United States and Israel are doing, uh, 300 00:18:55,220 --> 00:18:58,340 S2: not based on facts, but based on wanting to turn 301 00:18:58,380 --> 00:19:01,139 S2: people and make them doubt what, what is happening. 302 00:19:01,980 --> 00:19:03,580 S1: Mike V, anything to add to that? 303 00:19:03,859 --> 00:19:06,700 S3: No. Got nothing to say. That's Michael's right. 304 00:19:07,580 --> 00:19:10,780 S1: Craig, uh, respond to that. Tell me what you think. 305 00:19:12,220 --> 00:19:15,740 S7: Uh, it's, um. And I don't have all the credentials 306 00:19:15,740 --> 00:19:19,100 S7: of the person, but they, they seemed, um, that they 307 00:19:19,140 --> 00:19:24,419 S7: have been involved in, um, you know, uh, directing military 308 00:19:24,420 --> 00:19:28,980 S7: leaders and stuff before so that it's just very difficult 309 00:19:28,980 --> 00:19:31,820 S7: today because there's a lot of conflicting information and it's 310 00:19:31,820 --> 00:19:35,369 S7: hard to know what the truth is. Um, I'd be 311 00:19:35,410 --> 00:19:39,170 S7: happy to share privately with you what the podcast was. 312 00:19:39,210 --> 00:19:41,050 S7: And so, uh. 313 00:19:41,490 --> 00:19:44,890 S2: Hey, Craig, just just remember that there was no one 314 00:19:44,890 --> 00:19:49,850 S2: allowed in leadership that was, uh, moderate. There was no 315 00:19:49,850 --> 00:19:53,770 S2: one that was pro-American in leadership. The man that was killed, 316 00:19:53,810 --> 00:19:59,970 S2: if we're talking about Ali Larijani, uh, his, he was the, 317 00:19:59,970 --> 00:20:04,690 S2: the guy that facilitated everything that the Iranian revolutionary government 318 00:20:04,690 --> 00:20:09,649 S2: was doing. So just, just be cautious. There are people 319 00:20:09,650 --> 00:20:13,010 S2: who are going to say things like that to undermine 320 00:20:13,010 --> 00:20:16,210 S2: what's being done. That's all. And by the way, I 321 00:20:16,210 --> 00:20:18,250 S2: don't know if this will turn out good. We don't know. 322 00:20:18,609 --> 00:20:24,890 S1: Right. Exactly. Uh, it could be that, uh, in geopolitical terms, 323 00:20:24,890 --> 00:20:27,970 S1: that what the podcaster said will be true, that there 324 00:20:27,970 --> 00:20:32,250 S1: would be something that far worse comes up. We're going 325 00:20:32,290 --> 00:20:34,350 S1: to get back now to the Bible and I'm going 326 00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:37,750 S1: to ask a question. All right. So Craig, thank you. Oh, 327 00:20:38,430 --> 00:20:41,350 S1: and at some point we're going to get you send 328 00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:44,390 S1: me an email. Craig, tell me what the podcast was. Uh, 329 00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:48,070 S1: I saw Michael in Soddy-daisy, Tennessee at the open line event. 330 00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:52,270 S1: It was great. Here's my question. It concerns James chapter four, 331 00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:56,070 S1: verse five. So as my friends turn to James chapter four, 332 00:20:56,109 --> 00:20:59,830 S1: verse five, here's the question. The Bible knowledge commentary says 333 00:20:59,830 --> 00:21:05,270 S1: it's most likely the human spirit which indwells you yearns 334 00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:10,389 S1: to envy, but he, God, gives more grace. The moody 335 00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:13,870 S1: commentary says it means the spirit he has caused to 336 00:21:13,910 --> 00:21:19,790 S1: live in us by regeneration yearns jealously for our fidelity 337 00:21:19,950 --> 00:21:23,910 S1: to God and Skeeter's question is, why is there a 338 00:21:23,910 --> 00:21:28,310 S1: difference here in James chapter four verse five, Mike V. 339 00:21:28,630 --> 00:21:30,669 S2: I'm going to I'm going to give a little introduction 340 00:21:30,670 --> 00:21:33,820 S2: to Mike V Okay. Because if I remember right when 341 00:21:33,820 --> 00:21:37,020 S2: I taught James, that's the hardest verse, one of the 342 00:21:37,020 --> 00:21:40,740 S2: hardest verses in the whole New Testament to translate. And 343 00:21:40,740 --> 00:21:44,100 S2: that's why we have a Greek prof here to help. 344 00:21:45,140 --> 00:21:47,820 S3: Yeah. I mean, it's tough. It's a tough thing. And 345 00:21:47,820 --> 00:21:50,899 S3: the reason why the English versions are so different is 346 00:21:50,900 --> 00:21:53,660 S3: precisely because the Greek is not clear. It's a little 347 00:21:53,700 --> 00:21:57,180 S3: bit ambiguous. I think really the idea is, is that 348 00:21:57,180 --> 00:22:00,740 S3: because we have the Holy Spirit dwelling within us, God 349 00:22:00,740 --> 00:22:03,020 S3: wants us then to live in the power of the 350 00:22:03,020 --> 00:22:07,300 S3: spirit to live with him, as it were. Um, inasmuch 351 00:22:07,300 --> 00:22:09,500 S3: as as we are now temples of the Holy Spirit. 352 00:22:09,540 --> 00:22:11,659 S3: You know, I think it's a similar idea that we 353 00:22:11,660 --> 00:22:14,900 S3: have in First Corinthians six that, you know, we need 354 00:22:14,900 --> 00:22:17,820 S3: to glorify God in our bodies. We don't we're the 355 00:22:17,859 --> 00:22:20,500 S3: we are the temple of the Holy Spirit. And we've 356 00:22:20,500 --> 00:22:23,420 S3: been bought with a price. And therefore our bodies are 357 00:22:23,420 --> 00:22:26,699 S3: not our own to do with as we wish. And 358 00:22:26,700 --> 00:22:29,139 S3: so it seems to me that because of the spirit 359 00:22:29,140 --> 00:22:32,720 S3: dwelling in us, Um, but the Lord wants us then 360 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,920 S3: to be living in the power of the spirit for him. 361 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,640 S3: That's how I would understand this. 362 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,240 S2: Yeah. I do think it's interesting that the CSB Bible 363 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,200 S2: that I'm using has the translation. Or do you think 364 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,240 S2: it's without reason? The scripture says that the spirit who 365 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:52,440 S2: lives in us, yearns, lives in us, yearns jealously. But 366 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,920 S2: then it has. I've never seen this in a translation before. 367 00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:00,479 S2: It's got a footnote and then it's got three alternate translations. 368 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:02,119 S3: Right? 369 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,840 S2: Not one. Not a word different. Three whole sentences with 370 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,760 S2: an alternate translation. Three different. 371 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,720 S1: Isn't that. Doesn't that point out, though, how how difficult 372 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,800 S1: it is? Some some verses are not difficult at all 373 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,439 S1: to translate because I see the same thing. That's what 374 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,240 S1: I'm reading here. Or he who caused the spirit to 375 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:29,300 S1: live in us yearns jealously or the spirit he caused 376 00:23:29,300 --> 00:23:33,820 S1: to live in us yearns jealously or he jealously yearns 377 00:23:33,820 --> 00:23:37,340 S1: for the spirit. He made to live in us so 378 00:23:37,580 --> 00:23:43,100 S1: that that Greek of phrase could be translated in any 379 00:23:43,100 --> 00:23:45,179 S1: of those ways, right? 380 00:23:45,220 --> 00:23:45,740 S2: Yeah. 381 00:23:46,940 --> 00:23:48,660 S3: I mean, here's one of the things that we know 382 00:23:48,660 --> 00:23:51,380 S3: for sure, what we have in verse five is that 383 00:23:51,380 --> 00:23:53,300 S3: God is serious about sin, and he wants us to 384 00:23:53,300 --> 00:23:56,140 S3: live for him. We can say that in verse four, 385 00:23:56,180 --> 00:23:58,940 S3: you know, people who are friendly with the world and 386 00:23:58,940 --> 00:24:03,420 S3: a little bit soft toward God. James calls them adulteresses. 387 00:24:03,820 --> 00:24:06,980 S3: And so what we're looking at in verse five is, however, 388 00:24:06,980 --> 00:24:09,660 S3: we understand it is a really strong statement about us 389 00:24:09,660 --> 00:24:12,060 S3: being faithful to the Lord. And the Spirit's involved in 390 00:24:12,100 --> 00:24:12,580 S3: that too. 391 00:24:13,060 --> 00:24:15,900 S2: Yeah. So the main idea is easy to get, even 392 00:24:15,940 --> 00:24:20,380 S2: though the precise translation right is, is, is a challenge. 393 00:24:20,380 --> 00:24:25,260 S2: By the way, when I took Greek in seminary and college, 394 00:24:26,140 --> 00:24:28,330 S2: I thought for sure I was just going to know 395 00:24:28,330 --> 00:24:32,810 S2: everything because in the New Testament, once you learn Greek 396 00:24:32,810 --> 00:24:37,210 S2: and and learn syntax, wow, that's you just know everything 397 00:24:37,250 --> 00:24:39,250 S2: is going to be clear. What I found is the 398 00:24:39,250 --> 00:24:42,090 S2: more I understood, the more I learned, the less I 399 00:24:42,090 --> 00:24:45,290 S2: understood that. Yeah, there are so many more options that 400 00:24:45,290 --> 00:24:47,530 S2: got confusing to me. I had to really settle down 401 00:24:47,530 --> 00:24:48,530 S2: and read it plainly. 402 00:24:48,730 --> 00:24:51,730 S1: Yeah, well, Skeeter said that was his question. The day 403 00:24:51,730 --> 00:24:53,970 S1: when he was in Saudi. Daisy, and he did not 404 00:24:53,970 --> 00:24:56,330 S1: get to ask it. So he wrote, I put this 405 00:24:56,369 --> 00:25:01,010 S1: on Facebook. I just asked it. Asked it. Now you know, Skeeter. 406 00:25:01,010 --> 00:25:05,010 S1: Their answer. What about you, friend? We've got more men 407 00:25:05,010 --> 00:25:07,850 S1: calling in here today than ever before, and we want 408 00:25:07,890 --> 00:25:12,130 S1: to hear from you, man or woman. Eight. Seven. Seven. Five. 4836. 409 00:25:12,170 --> 00:25:15,770 S1: Seven five. If you go to the website chris.org, you'll 410 00:25:15,770 --> 00:25:18,450 S1: see links right there. And you can find out more 411 00:25:18,450 --> 00:25:23,290 S1: about the Moody Bible commentary or the 50 most important 412 00:25:23,290 --> 00:25:27,149 S1: questions in the Bible. Right. Michael. If you could find 413 00:25:27,150 --> 00:25:30,629 S1: that and a whole lot more, just go to chris.org. 414 00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:34,990 S1: But right now I have several lines open for you. 415 00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:37,429 S1: Ask your question. We might get to it today at 416 00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:45,550 S1: the radio backyard fence. (877) 548-3675. Good Friday and Easter Sunday 417 00:25:45,550 --> 00:25:47,630 S1: are coming up. We'll talk a little bit about that 418 00:25:47,630 --> 00:25:50,790 S1: as well. Straight ahead, this is Chris Fabry live on 419 00:25:50,790 --> 00:26:05,750 S1: Moody Radio. The two Michaels are with us at the 420 00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:09,310 S1: radio backyard fence. Back to your questions in just a moment. 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I think the lady was a 455 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,480 S8: lot of help. She found it right for me. 456 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,679 S1: That lady's a lot of help. Tricia. Thumbs up to you. 457 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,040 S1: All right, so revelation 18, 19 and 20, what's your question? 458 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:14,080 S8: Uh, in one hour, desolation will become something like that. And, um, 459 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,200 S8: I'm in a store shopping right now, and I just 460 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,879 S8: had to pull over and sit still here because I 461 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,310 S8: don't have my Bible, so I can't tell you. And 462 00:28:22,550 --> 00:28:25,550 S8: I heard the two Michaels on today. And Michael Riddle 463 00:28:25,790 --> 00:28:28,670 S8: signed my moody Bible commentary for me years ago when 464 00:28:28,670 --> 00:28:29,750 S8: I went to Moody Bible. 465 00:28:30,150 --> 00:28:33,070 S1: Ah, look at you. Okay, wait. What store are you in? 466 00:28:33,070 --> 00:28:35,909 S1: Are you in, like a big box store or a 467 00:28:35,950 --> 00:28:36,830 S1: grocery store? 468 00:28:37,270 --> 00:28:39,590 S8: Yeah. Uh, Walmart. 469 00:28:41,230 --> 00:28:45,070 S1: Okay, so everything's blue and yellow around, but he said, see, 470 00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:47,430 S1: now here's the thing, friends. You can ask a question 471 00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:49,630 S1: to the Michaels, even if you're going to a big 472 00:28:49,670 --> 00:28:54,590 S1: box store. So revelation the 18 verses 19 and 20, 473 00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:56,550 S1: what is happening in that one hour? 474 00:28:57,590 --> 00:29:01,350 S8: Uh, desolation is brought on the great Babylon. 475 00:29:01,910 --> 00:29:02,510 S6: Okay. 476 00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:05,790 S1: Uh, let's start with Mike V. What's your answer to that, Mike? 477 00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:10,710 S3: Well, um, I take it that the Babylon is being 478 00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:14,390 S3: referred to is more or less on the same side 479 00:29:14,390 --> 00:29:20,510 S3: as ancient Babylon and is experiencing the judgment of God. Um, 480 00:29:21,090 --> 00:29:24,810 S3: even though people worshipped this, this place, this city, as 481 00:29:24,810 --> 00:29:28,450 S3: it were. Uh. Nevertheless, God brings it down just because 482 00:29:28,450 --> 00:29:34,090 S3: it was so antagonistic to his people and his purposes. So, uh, uh, 483 00:29:34,130 --> 00:29:36,370 S3: Babylon and Michael, you got to correct me if I'm wrong. 484 00:29:36,370 --> 00:29:42,330 S3: Babylon is going to be located actually in Iraq. And so, uh, 485 00:29:42,770 --> 00:29:44,890 S3: I don't who knows what's going to be happening with that? 486 00:29:44,890 --> 00:29:47,450 S3: It seems to me that at least Iraq has to 487 00:29:47,450 --> 00:29:52,250 S3: become prosperous so that people are attracted to her. And 488 00:29:52,370 --> 00:29:55,210 S3: she's not quite that now, but, uh, but it seems 489 00:29:55,210 --> 00:29:57,010 S3: like that has to be the case in the future 490 00:29:57,010 --> 00:29:59,130 S3: in order for her to have the kind of clout 491 00:29:59,130 --> 00:30:01,650 S3: that she's got in the ancient world. But God will 492 00:30:01,650 --> 00:30:02,850 S3: undo all of it. 493 00:30:03,290 --> 00:30:03,770 S6: Mhm. 494 00:30:03,930 --> 00:30:08,210 S2: Well, I, I there are, you know, some classical interpreters 495 00:30:08,210 --> 00:30:14,850 S2: have seen Babylon here as like religious Babylon. Babylon. And, uh, 496 00:30:15,170 --> 00:30:18,450 S2: and so they see it as sort of symbolic. Uh, 497 00:30:18,450 --> 00:30:22,320 S2: but I agree with you, Michael. I believe that this 498 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:27,960 S2: is the actual re sort of restored Babylon being destroyed 499 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:34,600 S2: and interestingly destroyed by the Antichrist because the beast is 500 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:41,040 S2: the one that destroys her. Uh, and, uh, and yet 501 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,320 S2: God has said to be the one that destroys her 502 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,640 S2: because even Satan is God. Satan, as Erwin Lutzer loves 503 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:52,640 S2: to quote Luther for saying that. Uh, so, uh, he 504 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,000 S2: is going to bring judgment on Babylon right now. I 505 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,280 S2: do know this about Iraq. They have the second largest 506 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,840 S2: oil reserves in the whole world. And at the end 507 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,440 S2: of days, when there's war, uh, oil reserves will, will 508 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,200 S2: actually make make any nation wealthy if they are able 509 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,880 S2: to tap them. So, uh, that could very well be it. 510 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,340 S2: Of course. Again, we don't know, but it could be it, 511 00:31:18,340 --> 00:31:21,340 S2: but I do think that she will become. And will 512 00:31:21,340 --> 00:31:24,100 S2: it be exactly on the site of Babylon? Or maybe 513 00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:28,380 S2: it's referring to Babylon in the general country rather than 514 00:31:28,380 --> 00:31:34,300 S2: the individual city. Broaden it. I don't know, but there 515 00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:36,260 S2: is something going to happen. It's going to be a 516 00:31:36,260 --> 00:31:40,220 S2: literal Babylon in Iraq. And the the book The Rise 517 00:31:40,220 --> 00:31:43,740 S2: of Babylon by Charlie Dyer would be pretty helpful, uh, 518 00:31:43,980 --> 00:31:47,980 S2: to see about that. And, uh, he also wrote some 519 00:31:47,980 --> 00:31:51,860 S2: journal articles for those of you who are more academic that, uh, 520 00:31:51,860 --> 00:31:55,260 S2: make the case for it being a literal Babylon, uh, 521 00:31:55,260 --> 00:31:58,460 S2: and relating this to Jeremiah 50 and 51. 522 00:31:59,020 --> 00:32:00,660 S1: Roger. Does that help today? 523 00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:05,620 S8: Well, um, no, he's talking about Babylon. I'm talking about 524 00:32:05,620 --> 00:32:09,220 S8: the great Babylon. The great Babylon is the United States 525 00:32:09,220 --> 00:32:14,420 S8: of America. Rick Pearson from the prophecy USA show has 526 00:32:14,420 --> 00:32:18,000 S8: found 53 descriptions that's been sealed up till the time 527 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,680 S8: of the end, which is now. And he's been going 528 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,360 S8: through these. And there's 53 descriptions of how the United 529 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,560 S8: States of America meets the criteria of great Babylon. 530 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,080 S2: Well, Roger, you know, I would just say I would 531 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:37,840 S2: disagree with that. Uh, and, uh, you know, I just, uh, 532 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,320 S2: I don't think that we should take it symbolically if 533 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,480 S2: the plain sense makes sense. Seek no other sense lest 534 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,360 S2: it result in nonsense. And the great city here is Babylon, 535 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:48,520 S2: and that's what it's called. 536 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,840 S3: It seems. It seems to me also that. And this 537 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,480 S3: is one of the points that Charlie Dyer makes is 538 00:32:55,480 --> 00:33:00,719 S3: that since Babylon so dominated and so abused Israel, um, 539 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,360 S3: all throughout Israel's history, I mean, off and on that 540 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,520 S3: it makes sense that there would be a literal Babylon 541 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,440 S3: that would be undone in the prophetic days. It just 542 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,720 S3: seems like that there's a sense of justice associated with 543 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,350 S3: that because of how they used to treat Jerusalem, Israel. 544 00:33:18,590 --> 00:33:19,030 S6: Yeah. 545 00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:23,070 S1: Roger. I noticed the answer didn't. Not the answer you wanted, 546 00:33:23,070 --> 00:33:27,070 S1: but happy shopping to you. And whether you go through 547 00:33:27,390 --> 00:33:31,790 S1: the self checkout aisle or the other one, I hope 548 00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:34,750 S1: you pay everything that you needed to pay there. And 549 00:33:34,750 --> 00:33:37,830 S1: thank you for calling today. There's another happy customer, or 550 00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:41,870 S1: at least a customer to Chris Fabry live. Martha is 551 00:33:41,870 --> 00:33:44,390 S1: in Akron, Ohio. Martha, why did you call today? 552 00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:49,470 S9: Hi. I called with a question, I guess, for doctor Nick. Um, 553 00:33:50,110 --> 00:33:53,790 S9: so I heard Doctor Ryojinak say that shortly after the 554 00:33:53,790 --> 00:33:57,110 S9: October incident, a year or whatever it was ago, um, 555 00:33:57,310 --> 00:34:01,790 S9: that Ireland turned against Israel and it just brought up 556 00:34:01,790 --> 00:34:04,990 S9: some other things I've heard him say about people being 557 00:34:05,030 --> 00:34:09,710 S9: against Israel. And my question is, how can we, um, 558 00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:13,830 S9: how can we decry the terrible things that are happening 559 00:34:13,830 --> 00:34:18,850 S9: on both sides. Um, and the terrible results that they 560 00:34:18,850 --> 00:34:24,810 S9: have and not be accused of being anti-Israel. So for instance, 561 00:34:25,090 --> 00:34:27,330 S9: many of my evangelical friends and I, when it first 562 00:34:27,330 --> 00:34:30,810 S9: happened in October, we were all appalled and we were 563 00:34:30,810 --> 00:34:34,130 S9: all cheering for Israel and we were all opposed to Hamas. 564 00:34:34,530 --> 00:34:37,570 S9: But as the battles drew on in, the months drew 565 00:34:37,570 --> 00:34:41,450 S9: on and the fatalities increased and the atrocities increased on 566 00:34:41,450 --> 00:34:45,850 S9: both sides, it's becoming hard to know how do we 567 00:34:45,890 --> 00:34:51,930 S9: stand for what is right and not get accused of 568 00:34:51,930 --> 00:34:58,330 S9: being terrorist sympathizers or anti-Israel? I mean, even people in 569 00:34:58,330 --> 00:35:02,609 S9: Israel are opposed to what Israel is doing, so can 570 00:35:02,610 --> 00:35:03,570 S9: you address that? 571 00:35:03,690 --> 00:35:04,130 S6: Sure. 572 00:35:05,010 --> 00:35:11,250 S2: Uh, first of all, uh, the, the presumption there is 573 00:35:11,250 --> 00:35:18,160 S2: that Israel committed atrocities, and that is one of the 574 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,440 S2: ways that we can be careful not to turn against 575 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,719 S2: Israel is not to believe what those who are opposed 576 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,040 S2: to Israel say. Now, here's what I want to be 577 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:34,760 S2: really clear about. Uh, Israel has done more to preserve 578 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:40,600 S2: civilians in Gaza in this two year war than any 579 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,960 S2: nation in history has done in war. Uh, and what 580 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:50,920 S2: I mean by that is they have provided food for Gazans. 581 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:57,680 S2: They have provided leaflets, text messages, uh, phone calls to 582 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,160 S2: tell people to get out of the way. They've created 583 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,040 S2: safe zones. You know, that's not something the United States 584 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,080 S2: did in Berlin during World War Two. It's not something 585 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,360 S2: that Great Britain did in Dresden, in World War Two. Uh, 586 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:16,779 S2: they they the civilian count, even according to Hamas. They 587 00:36:16,780 --> 00:36:22,500 S2: finally have admitted that the the numbers are really low. 588 00:36:22,739 --> 00:36:25,859 S2: And part of the reason why Hamas has. Why there 589 00:36:25,900 --> 00:36:29,140 S2: are so many Palestinian civilians that have died is Hamas 590 00:36:29,340 --> 00:36:34,340 S2: wouldn't allow civilians to get to the safe areas. Now, 591 00:36:34,820 --> 00:36:39,900 S2: I have to say this no civilian death is acceptable 592 00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:42,660 S2: or something that we should be happy with, but it 593 00:36:42,660 --> 00:36:48,500 S2: is something that that happens in war, uh, a war 594 00:36:48,540 --> 00:36:53,660 S2: that Israel didn't want and didn't start. Uh, so I'm, 595 00:36:53,660 --> 00:36:57,060 S2: I'm just always concerned when people believe those, uh, you know, 596 00:36:57,100 --> 00:36:59,219 S2: if you say genocide enough times, people are going to 597 00:36:59,219 --> 00:37:01,620 S2: start believing it. That's what Hitler said. Tell a lie 598 00:37:01,660 --> 00:37:04,100 S2: long enough and loud enough. People will take it as 599 00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:08,940 S2: the truth. And what has happened is the proponents are 600 00:37:09,219 --> 00:37:11,770 S2: against those who are against Israel have used that word 601 00:37:11,770 --> 00:37:15,330 S2: genocide so much that people actually believe it's happening when 602 00:37:15,330 --> 00:37:18,489 S2: there's it's the furthest from the truth. When you think 603 00:37:18,489 --> 00:37:21,410 S2: about it and the reason why it really offends me 604 00:37:21,610 --> 00:37:24,090 S2: when people use that term, not you, Martha, but when 605 00:37:24,130 --> 00:37:29,570 S2: people use that term because my family was subject to genocide. 606 00:37:29,969 --> 00:37:32,770 S2: I know what genocide is. I know what the laws 607 00:37:32,770 --> 00:37:36,090 S2: state about genocide. I had four brothers and a sister 608 00:37:36,250 --> 00:37:42,770 S2: killed by the Nazis at Auschwitz. My grandparents and all 609 00:37:42,770 --> 00:37:47,370 S2: my aunts and uncles except for one aunt. I know 610 00:37:47,530 --> 00:37:51,569 S2: what genocide has to what it means. And to take 611 00:37:51,570 --> 00:37:57,370 S2: this where the actual US population has grown in Gaza 612 00:37:57,370 --> 00:38:00,330 S2: during the two years of war and call it a 613 00:38:00,330 --> 00:38:08,009 S2: genocide is just propaganda and it's atrocious. I did write 614 00:38:08,010 --> 00:38:12,310 S2: a blog. Israel is not committing genocide and you could 615 00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:15,550 S2: always look that up. Michael. Org and go to that blog. 616 00:38:15,950 --> 00:38:20,830 S2: But the point is, we have to be really careful 617 00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:24,390 S2: not to just believe every lie. Is war ugly? Is 618 00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:29,390 S2: it terrible? Yes. But to equate what Israel does in 619 00:38:29,390 --> 00:38:35,350 S2: defending herself with the atrocities, the beheading of babies and 620 00:38:35,350 --> 00:38:39,470 S2: the raping of women that Hamas did is just, uh, 621 00:38:40,350 --> 00:38:43,870 S2: it's it's atrocious. We should never do it. That's an atrocity. 622 00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:46,029 S1: Martha, I'm glad you got through today. Thank you for 623 00:38:46,030 --> 00:38:48,710 S1: your call. It's a really good point. And it allowed 624 00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:51,109 S1: Doctor Adeleke to respond there. We're going to take some 625 00:38:51,110 --> 00:38:54,830 S1: more questions. We have just one segment left, and we're 626 00:38:54,830 --> 00:38:57,430 S1: going to get to your calls right here on Chris 627 00:38:57,469 --> 00:39:02,070 S1: Fabry Live and Moody Radio Online. Chris Fabry live dot 628 00:39:03,110 --> 00:39:17,410 S1: more straight ahead on Moody Radio. It is so fun 629 00:39:17,410 --> 00:39:19,489 S1: to have the two Michaels with us. And here we 630 00:39:19,489 --> 00:39:22,650 S1: are as we ramp up to Holy Week and Good 631 00:39:22,650 --> 00:39:27,530 S1: Friday and then Resurrection Sunday. That's going to be coming up. Wow. 632 00:39:27,650 --> 00:39:30,649 S1: Early feels early this year. I'm sure we could ask 633 00:39:30,650 --> 00:39:35,049 S1: that question. Why? Why does Easter happen on? Michael would 634 00:39:35,050 --> 00:39:36,690 S1: have a good answer for that, but I want to 635 00:39:36,690 --> 00:39:40,050 S1: get your questions in here. Alita is in Chicago. Hi, Alita. 636 00:39:40,090 --> 00:39:40,850 S1: Go right ahead. 637 00:39:42,210 --> 00:39:48,370 S10: Hi. Um, I have a question. Um, it's, um, from 638 00:39:48,610 --> 00:39:53,770 S10: Psalm 122, and it says for to pray for the 639 00:39:53,770 --> 00:39:58,170 S10: peace of Jerusalem. And I wanted to ask both Michael's, um, 640 00:39:58,170 --> 00:39:59,969 S10: how can we pray for Israel? 641 00:40:00,969 --> 00:40:03,730 S2: I've been praying for peace for the last two and 642 00:40:03,730 --> 00:40:05,650 S2: a half years, but the way I would like to 643 00:40:05,650 --> 00:40:11,120 S2: see peace. Is peace and safety. For Jerusalem. And when 644 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,960 S2: I pray for the peace of Jerusalem. You know, Israel 645 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,640 S2: has a population of about 10 million, 20% of which 646 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,680 S2: are Arabs. Uh, and I pray for their safety just 647 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,279 S2: as much as I pray for the safety of everyone 648 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:32,280 S2: else in the country. Um, and the, the idea right now, 649 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,520 S2: at this moment, what I would be praying for is 650 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,120 S2: for the, the missiles that are being shot over the 651 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,600 S2: civilian areas of Israel to come to nothing and not 652 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,960 S2: be effective for Israel to be able to shoot them 653 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,759 S2: out of the sky. And then I would pray for 654 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:48,759 S2: peace as well. 655 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:49,120 S6: Yeah. 656 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,880 S3: Mike V well, and I, I mean, I pray the 657 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:58,360 S3: same things, but I would say also, um, I pray 658 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:04,080 S3: that all Israel will be saved. Romans 820 1126 and 659 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,259 S3: so we know that a massive amount, massive percentage of 660 00:41:07,260 --> 00:41:10,180 S3: the Jewish people will come to their Messiah. And then 661 00:41:10,180 --> 00:41:13,500 S3: after that, it's going to come the second coming. And 662 00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:16,459 S3: I actually pray for that, that that all Israel will 663 00:41:16,460 --> 00:41:19,219 S3: come to the point where she will trust her Messiah, Jesus, 664 00:41:19,660 --> 00:41:22,859 S3: and that Jesus will come and set everything right. That's 665 00:41:22,860 --> 00:41:23,700 S3: what I pray for. 666 00:41:23,980 --> 00:41:25,380 S6: Amen. Yeah. 667 00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:29,180 S1: The two Michaels. Alita. Thank you for that question. Uh, 668 00:41:29,180 --> 00:41:32,180 S1: Denise is in Tennessee. Denise. Why did you call today? 669 00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:36,620 S11: Hi. I've been thinking a lot about what Jesus said 670 00:41:36,620 --> 00:41:41,180 S11: about the deception in the end times. And, um, I 671 00:41:41,219 --> 00:41:43,819 S11: got scammed a few months ago, and that's really got 672 00:41:43,820 --> 00:41:47,259 S11: me thinking how easily I was deceived. And so it's 673 00:41:47,260 --> 00:41:50,340 S11: been on my mind, but switching back. Um. 674 00:41:50,820 --> 00:41:52,740 S1: Okay, wait a minute. Let me stop you right there. 675 00:41:52,780 --> 00:41:54,580 S1: I want to use I want to use what happened 676 00:41:54,580 --> 00:41:57,020 S1: to you? Was this somebody on a phone call? Was 677 00:41:57,020 --> 00:41:58,980 S1: it an email? Was it a text? 678 00:41:59,020 --> 00:42:02,140 S11: It, it was a, it was a phone call. And 679 00:42:02,180 --> 00:42:04,690 S11: I was so frightened and so afraid. And I did 680 00:42:04,690 --> 00:42:09,730 S11: everything they said. And. And I was out a little 681 00:42:09,730 --> 00:42:15,250 S11: less than $10,000. Wow. And, um, yeah, but you know, 682 00:42:15,570 --> 00:42:19,210 S11: it it I feel like if it taught me a lesson, 683 00:42:19,210 --> 00:42:21,569 S11: it's worth way more than that because it let me 684 00:42:21,610 --> 00:42:24,730 S11: see how easily I was deceived, even in my, in 685 00:42:24,730 --> 00:42:26,969 S11: my heart, I knew I was doing the wrong thing 686 00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:29,890 S11: and I just kept going, you know, they just almost 687 00:42:29,890 --> 00:42:32,969 S11: had me hypnotized. But, you know, it really got me 688 00:42:32,969 --> 00:42:36,610 S11: thinking about deception in the end times. And I thought, Jesus, 689 00:42:36,610 --> 00:42:39,210 S11: I thought I was really smart. What happened to me 690 00:42:39,210 --> 00:42:42,690 S11: that day and how easily might I be deceived otherwise, 691 00:42:43,090 --> 00:42:46,090 S11: you know? So so that's just been really hanging heavy 692 00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:46,650 S11: on me. 693 00:42:47,050 --> 00:42:49,569 S1: Thank you for saying that. And I wanted you to 694 00:42:49,610 --> 00:42:52,529 S1: just explain a little bit more for somebody else who's 695 00:42:52,530 --> 00:42:55,290 S1: been in the same situation, and they haven't told anybody 696 00:42:55,450 --> 00:42:57,730 S1: or for someone else who gets a phone call and 697 00:42:57,730 --> 00:42:59,450 S1: they say, you know, go to the store and buy 698 00:42:59,450 --> 00:43:01,890 S1: these cards and blah, blah, blah, or whatever they're asking 699 00:43:01,890 --> 00:43:04,950 S1: you to do. Give us your bank account number or whatever. 700 00:43:05,310 --> 00:43:08,430 S1: To know that they are really good at what they 701 00:43:08,430 --> 00:43:11,910 S1: do and they they instill that fear. If you don't 702 00:43:11,910 --> 00:43:14,190 S1: do this with me, then we're going to send the 703 00:43:14,190 --> 00:43:17,870 S1: police after you and all that kind of stuff. So 704 00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:20,830 S1: with that as a precursor, what is your question then 705 00:43:20,830 --> 00:43:22,150 S1: about the end times? 706 00:43:23,150 --> 00:43:27,430 S11: Well, my question is, um, I'm afraid to venture out 707 00:43:27,590 --> 00:43:30,430 S11: beyond what I already know. I've been a Christian for 708 00:43:30,430 --> 00:43:34,710 S11: a very long time, but everybody's talking about and I 709 00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:38,670 S11: say everybody, it's been promoted heavily on the internet and, um, 710 00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:43,190 S11: YouTube especially, um, the Ethiopian Bible, the book of Jasher, 711 00:43:43,230 --> 00:43:46,509 S11: the book of Enoch, the Jubilees and all that. Is 712 00:43:46,510 --> 00:43:51,190 S11: there anything to be gained by my reading all those, 713 00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:54,430 S11: or should I just stay in my safe zone where 714 00:43:54,430 --> 00:43:58,270 S11: I am and not venture out? I don't know if 715 00:43:58,270 --> 00:44:00,629 S11: it would be wrong for me to go look at 716 00:44:00,739 --> 00:44:04,259 S11: something else when I already know the truth. Do I know? 717 00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:04,660 S6: Okay. 718 00:44:04,739 --> 00:44:06,060 S11: Great question. I need more. 719 00:44:06,420 --> 00:44:09,460 S1: Got about a minute and a half left. Go ahead. Michael. 720 00:44:10,219 --> 00:44:14,100 S3: Okay. I, you know, I, I would say that, um, 721 00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:17,300 S3: for every second you look at things on the web, 722 00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:20,299 S3: spend an hour in your Bible. I mean, I think 723 00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:24,500 S3: that's probably the best place to start. Um, and then 724 00:44:24,900 --> 00:44:27,779 S3: it never hurts to invest in a few really good sources. 725 00:44:28,020 --> 00:44:29,940 S3: And so of course, everybody's going to laugh when I 726 00:44:29,940 --> 00:44:32,540 S3: say this, the moody Bible commentary. Frankly, you can't really 727 00:44:32,540 --> 00:44:35,779 S3: go wrong with that, I don't think. And so, um, 728 00:44:36,020 --> 00:44:39,020 S3: you know, listen to your pastor, probably he's knowledgeable and 729 00:44:39,020 --> 00:44:41,980 S3: hopefully he has, um, enough insight to be able to 730 00:44:42,020 --> 00:44:44,820 S3: steer you, but I think you have to be so 731 00:44:44,820 --> 00:44:46,900 S3: careful about the things that you hear on the web. 732 00:44:46,900 --> 00:44:48,939 S3: You just have to be so careful about them. 733 00:44:48,980 --> 00:44:49,900 S6: Yeah, yeah. 734 00:44:50,140 --> 00:44:52,259 S2: The Bible is the Bible. You don't need to get 735 00:44:52,260 --> 00:44:56,219 S2: the Ethiopic Bible. Uh, those other books are not part 736 00:44:56,219 --> 00:45:01,920 S2: of scripture. Uh, Jasher and the book of Enoch. Enoch 737 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,680 S2: quoted in the Bible for the part where there's a 738 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:09,600 S2: truth statement within it. But it's not. It's not the Bible. 739 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,359 S2: You don't have to go get it. Uh, if we 740 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,920 S2: spent enough time reading the scriptures, we'll be much better off. 741 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,160 S1: Well, we've even heard it here today about someone who interprets. Well, 742 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,600 S1: this is America, and here's the 50 ways of all 743 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,680 S1: of this. And I'm not doubting the person who called here, 744 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:29,080 S1: but this it's very easy to be swayed by something 745 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:33,080 S1: like that. That seems pretty logical. And they've got all 746 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,399 S1: of this, the verses that you know, that they to 747 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,840 S1: back them up. But then in the abundance of counselors, 748 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:44,600 S1: there's wisdom. And most people, students of the Bible who 749 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,360 S1: are serious about that don't go in that direction. Michael 750 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:49,719 S1: Riedel you know what I'm talking about. 751 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,920 S2: Exactly. We want to stick to what the text of 752 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,680 S2: the scripture says, not add to it. And and you 753 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,549 S2: don't need those other books. Uh, I think it's really 754 00:45:59,550 --> 00:46:01,310 S2: important that we spend time with the books that we 755 00:46:01,310 --> 00:46:03,470 S2: know are in Scripture that have been in the historic 756 00:46:03,469 --> 00:46:05,670 S2: canon that we have recognized. 757 00:46:06,350 --> 00:46:08,509 S1: Denise, I'm glad you got through today. Thank you. And 758 00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:11,350 S1: I'm again, I'm sorry for what happened to you, those 759 00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:15,350 S1: scam artists that took all that. But I like your 760 00:46:15,350 --> 00:46:18,750 S1: heart in saying I learned a lesson here, and I'm 761 00:46:18,750 --> 00:46:22,430 S1: letting that inform me not to be afraid of everything, 762 00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:26,310 S1: but to have your eyes open and to be understanding. 763 00:46:26,310 --> 00:46:28,870 S1: And my guess is there's somebody who needed to hear 764 00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:31,670 S1: that story that you told here today. So thanks for 765 00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:35,350 S1: doing that. And Michaels, thank you both for coming along here. 766 00:46:35,350 --> 00:46:37,470 S1: I hope we get to talk again in April. Okay. 767 00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:38,150 S2: Looking forward to. 768 00:46:38,190 --> 00:46:38,470 S6: It. 769 00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:40,190 S3: Yeah, that'll be great. 770 00:46:40,430 --> 00:46:40,790 S6: Yeah. 771 00:46:41,110 --> 00:46:41,990 S2: Thanks for helping us. 772 00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:45,790 S1: Find out more about them. Chris Fabry live.org. Our program's 773 00:46:45,790 --> 00:46:49,550 S1: production of Moody Radio, a ministry of Moody Bible Institute.