WEBVTT - Hour 2: More Bible Questions from NRB 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:04.840 From the National Religious Broadcasters Convention in Dallas, Texas. Welcome 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:16.840 to Open Line. Hello, friends. It's time for the second 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:20.360 hour of Open Line with Michael Ray Moody Radio's Bible 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:25.480 Study Across America. We're talking about your questions about the Bible, 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:29.040 God and the spiritual life. My name is Michael Ray. 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:32.319 I'm the academic dean and professor of Jewish studies and 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:37.080 Bible at Moody Bible Institute. And we are not live 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:39.559 today as we usually are. We're not taking your calls 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:44.240 as this is a special pre-recorded edition of Open Line. 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:48.400 We are live at the National Religious Broadcasters. We're recording 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:51.159 it for you to hear there's an audience here. They 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:53.040 are the ones that are going to be asking the 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:56.440 questions today. If you'd like to ask a question, normally 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:58.760 I'd say call, but not today. Just go to our 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:02.840 website openline. radio.org. You'll see a link there that says 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:05.800 Ask Michael a question. Click on that and you can 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:08.679 post your question right there and we'll get to it 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:13.080 in upcoming weeks. But don't call today. Just listen. And 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:15.399 I'm sure that someone will ask the question that you 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:19.319 were thinking about. Joining me for this special hour is 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:24.160 my friend and I would say regular co-host or regular 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:28.440 substitution host on Open Line doctor Mike Fabares of Compass 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:31.360 Bible Church in Aliso Viejo. I hope I'm saying that right. 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:33.160 It's good. Uh, California. 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:35.520 Your English and Spanish are as good as your Hebrew. 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:37.480 Yeah, I wish I could pronounce it better if it 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:39.680 was in Hebrew. I'll tell you that. Anyway, I'm glad 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:40.280 you're here with me. 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:42.320 Oh, it's great to be here. Thanks for asking me 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:43.720 to to come on the program. 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:46.360 Yeah. You know, I really want people to know, uh, 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:50.920 that there are there are some people this is, I think, 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:53.680 really crucial. There are some people that love to study 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:56.520 the Bible and answer questions about it. That's how I 0:01:56.520 --> 0:02:00.430 actually found you online. The very first time I was 0:02:00.430 --> 0:02:04.070 listening to your, uh, the podcast of your worship services. 0:02:04.110 --> 0:02:04.550 Oh, yeah. 0:02:04.590 --> 0:02:07.270 Right. At at Compass Bible. And once a year, I 0:02:07.310 --> 0:02:08.430 guess you do it. Is that what you do? 0:02:08.470 --> 0:02:10.109 Once a year and three services? That's right. 0:02:10.150 --> 0:02:12.870 And you take Bible questions. I said this guy's not 0:02:12.870 --> 0:02:15.590 afraid of anything. He'll take them cold I love this, 0:02:15.590 --> 0:02:18.750 this is great. So anyway. And I'm so grateful that we've. 0:02:18.790 --> 0:02:20.790 Well, you should tell the whole story because I've heard 0:02:20.790 --> 0:02:23.230 it before. It's because I answered something. 0:02:23.270 --> 0:02:23.750 Yeah. 0:02:23.790 --> 0:02:25.910 Appropriately about Israel, I think. 0:02:25.950 --> 0:02:26.550 Not only did I. 0:02:26.550 --> 0:02:28.590 Listen to what hooked you, that's what made you stand 0:02:28.590 --> 0:02:29.750 up and cheer at that point. 0:02:29.790 --> 0:02:33.150 Yeah, it was the very first question that you answered was, 0:02:33.150 --> 0:02:35.790 how should a Christian think about Israel and the Jewish 0:02:35.790 --> 0:02:38.630 people today? And I thought, oh, okay, now this is 0:02:38.630 --> 0:02:39.109 the test. 0:02:39.150 --> 0:02:39.270 Yeah. 0:02:39.310 --> 0:02:42.510 Here we go. And you answered it exactly as I would. 0:02:42.590 --> 0:02:44.230 There you go. Well, then I had to be right. 0:02:44.230 --> 0:02:46.589 And I thought, okay, whether I'm right or wrong. 0:02:46.630 --> 0:02:47.070 That's right. 0:02:47.110 --> 0:02:47.590 I like. 0:02:47.590 --> 0:02:49.910 Him. That's right. That was good. 0:02:50.630 --> 0:02:52.630 So I'm so glad about that. Well, we're going to 0:02:52.669 --> 0:02:54.910 start taking some questions right now. Let's do it. 0:02:56.070 --> 0:02:58.030 Hi, Michael. Hi. This is Heather. 0:02:58.230 --> 0:02:58.950 Hi, Heather. 0:02:59.230 --> 0:03:04.350 Okay, so my question has to do with the animal 0:03:04.350 --> 0:03:08.270 sacrifices in the Old Testament. I just recently heard someone 0:03:08.310 --> 0:03:11.510 make a comment kind of like, well, they weren't good enough, 0:03:11.830 --> 0:03:16.190 so Jesus came. But my question is, really, what was 0:03:16.190 --> 0:03:20.310 the purpose of those? We know in Hebrews it says 0:03:20.310 --> 0:03:23.470 the blood of bulls and goats could never wash away sin. 0:03:24.230 --> 0:03:29.269 We understand Jesus death was the payment for sin. But 0:03:29.270 --> 0:03:33.710 then in Ezekiel it talks about a new temple and 0:03:33.950 --> 0:03:38.150 sacrifices again, which is like, wait a minute, I thought 0:03:38.470 --> 0:03:40.950 that was over. So then it makes you begin to go, 0:03:40.990 --> 0:03:43.190 what was the whole point of the sacrifices? 0:03:43.230 --> 0:03:46.750 Well, let's start with the purpose of Levitical sacrifices. You 0:03:46.750 --> 0:03:47.590 want to go with that? 0:03:47.630 --> 0:03:50.350 Sure. Yeah. If you look at Leviticus chapter one, verse four, 0:03:50.390 --> 0:03:55.190 this was a great image of substitution. That's the idea, right? 0:03:55.230 --> 0:03:58.340 Bring the best animal you have. You lay your hand 0:03:58.340 --> 0:04:00.660 on the head of the animal, and then that blood 0:04:00.700 --> 0:04:03.380 is spilt and splattering on your sandals and your toes. 0:04:03.380 --> 0:04:06.860 And here was this picture of you going home saying, okay, 0:04:06.900 --> 0:04:11.220 God forgives me. And yet my animal did nothing wrong. 0:04:11.260 --> 0:04:14.380 It it it stays there. It becomes food for the 0:04:14.380 --> 0:04:17.779 Levitical priests and their kids. Or it's a burnt offering. 0:04:17.779 --> 0:04:20.900 It's burnt up. So the picture was simply that the 0:04:20.900 --> 0:04:24.500 shedding of this blood reminds us that we deserve death. 0:04:24.500 --> 0:04:27.460 Wages of sin is death, and here is death that 0:04:27.460 --> 0:04:31.580 symbolically represents what we need, and that is we need. 0:04:31.620 --> 0:04:33.540 If we're ever going to survive in the presence of God, 0:04:33.540 --> 0:04:36.220 we need somebody to take our place. And of course, 0:04:36.220 --> 0:04:37.620 we can't have an animal take the place of a 0:04:37.620 --> 0:04:40.260 human being, right? We need the perfect human being to 0:04:40.300 --> 0:04:43.020 take the place of sinful human beings. And so that 0:04:43.020 --> 0:04:44.900 was the image of it. It all looked forward. Hebrews 0:04:44.940 --> 0:04:47.820 ten verse one. It was the shadow of the things 0:04:47.820 --> 0:04:50.020 that were to come. The substance is in Christ. So 0:04:50.020 --> 0:04:52.940 we know it was all a picture of what was 0:04:52.940 --> 0:04:53.660 to come. 0:04:53.700 --> 0:04:57.460 Yeah. So they, they're pointing forward but they really although 0:04:57.460 --> 0:05:00.940 I do believe there was a genuine sense of forgiveness. Uh, 0:05:00.940 --> 0:05:03.340 those sins were covered the way I kind of look 0:05:03.339 --> 0:05:06.860 at those Levitical sacrifices. It's sort of like when you 0:05:06.860 --> 0:05:11.500 run up your, your credit card, spend too much money, 0:05:11.500 --> 0:05:15.299 and the bill comes and you can't possibly pay it. 0:05:15.300 --> 0:05:17.580 So what you do is you pay the minimum, which 0:05:17.580 --> 0:05:21.260 doesn't even cover anything, really. And then you keep running 0:05:21.260 --> 0:05:23.820 up your credit card and next month you pay the minimum. Well, 0:05:23.820 --> 0:05:27.220 that's how the Yom Kippur sacrifice worked. It never took 0:05:27.220 --> 0:05:31.340 away the guilt, but it covered it until until it 0:05:31.339 --> 0:05:34.180 came due again next year. So that's what. And but 0:05:34.180 --> 0:05:37.540 it was pointing forward to the sacrifice that would pay 0:05:37.660 --> 0:05:41.260 the principal and the interest on on that sin. And 0:05:41.260 --> 0:05:43.180 that was the death of the Messiah. And then he 0:05:43.180 --> 0:05:45.980 was resurrected. And he can give us life. But the 0:05:45.980 --> 0:05:50.219 question then is, why are there sacrifices in Ezekiel 40 0:05:50.260 --> 0:05:53.260 through 48 and this? And so some people want to 0:05:53.260 --> 0:05:58.219 say it's symbolic, not real. But I think there's really 0:05:58.220 --> 0:06:01.460 going to be a temple. There will really be sacrifices. 0:06:01.460 --> 0:06:03.100 And people say, well, how can that be now that 0:06:03.100 --> 0:06:05.900 the sacrifice has been paid? The answer is the Old 0:06:05.900 --> 0:06:10.020 Testament sacrifices didn't take away sin either. The the Ezekiel 0:06:10.220 --> 0:06:13.860 temple sacrifices won't take away sin. But there will be 0:06:13.860 --> 0:06:18.100 people born in the messianic kingdom in the millennium, the 0:06:18.140 --> 0:06:21.660 thousand year reign of Jesus on earth. And there will 0:06:21.660 --> 0:06:24.500 be people who will not have glorified bodies. They will 0:06:24.500 --> 0:06:27.419 go into the kingdom. They will marry. They will have kids. 0:06:27.660 --> 0:06:29.860 Their kids will have to come to know the Lord. 0:06:30.220 --> 0:06:34.500 It says in Isaiah 65 that if someone dies at 100, 0:06:34.779 --> 0:06:37.780 they will be young. And so as a result of that, 0:06:37.820 --> 0:06:41.820 death won't be as prevalent. And so people, when they 0:06:41.860 --> 0:06:44.140 when they are born in the millennium, they will have 0:06:44.140 --> 0:06:46.460 to trust that Jesus died for them and rose again. 0:06:46.460 --> 0:06:50.860 And they won't be as, uh, how should I put it? 0:06:50.860 --> 0:06:55.010 Aware of the significance of that statement because people won't 0:06:55.010 --> 0:06:59.210 be dying as much, and as a result, there's going 0:06:59.210 --> 0:07:02.130 to be actual sacrifices. Like we have the Lord's Supper 0:07:02.130 --> 0:07:05.650 today to remember what the Lord Jesus did. They will 0:07:05.650 --> 0:07:08.690 point back. They will be. They won't take away sin, 0:07:08.690 --> 0:07:10.890 but they will remind us of what the Lord Jesus 0:07:10.890 --> 0:07:14.090 did for us in taking our our sin in his 0:07:14.090 --> 0:07:15.210 sacrificial death. 0:07:16.050 --> 0:07:18.010 Yeah. I just think there's two ways for us to 0:07:18.010 --> 0:07:20.250 look at this. You got to look at the big picture, right? 0:07:20.290 --> 0:07:24.290 Israel did not do what they were supposed to do correctly. 0:07:24.490 --> 0:07:26.850 And with the Messiah on on the throne, this is 0:07:26.850 --> 0:07:29.570 all going to be done, right? Yeah. Right. And everything 0:07:29.570 --> 0:07:33.370 about the Levitical system will be done right. And so 0:07:33.410 --> 0:07:35.810 that's part of why it's there. And of course, a 0:07:35.810 --> 0:07:38.410 lot of people will say, hey, this is looking back. 0:07:38.450 --> 0:07:41.570 It's symbolic. And that's true. Just like the the sacrifices 0:07:41.570 --> 0:07:44.850 before Christ look forward. But if you read that section carefully, 0:07:44.850 --> 0:07:48.370 there is a sense of clean and unclean that is effectuated. 0:07:48.530 --> 0:07:50.010 A ceremonial and clean. Unclean. 0:07:50.210 --> 0:07:55.090 Correct and clean. Unclean. Just those buzzwords are about ceremonial acceptance. 0:07:55.330 --> 0:07:59.090 And that is is really the way that that section 0:07:59.090 --> 0:08:02.850 of Scripture reads. So in the Jewish system, there will 0:08:02.850 --> 0:08:06.170 be something to those sacrifices, just like you had Jesus 0:08:06.170 --> 0:08:08.290 in his earthly ministry. Of course, this is prior to 0:08:08.290 --> 0:08:12.050 the veil ripping. Uh, you had the leper that was 0:08:12.330 --> 0:08:15.530 cleansed and he said, go to the priest, show yourself 0:08:15.530 --> 0:08:18.090 to the priest, bring the appropriate sacrifices. There was a 0:08:18.090 --> 0:08:21.290 way to do Israel right, and it's going to be 0:08:21.290 --> 0:08:24.250 done right in the Millennial Kingdom, which will include those 0:08:24.250 --> 0:08:27.050 sacrifices that do not take away sin. But they do. 0:08:27.090 --> 0:08:30.610 They are the gate for clean and unclean, and that's ceremonial. 0:08:30.610 --> 0:08:31.370 And that's important. 0:08:31.810 --> 0:08:35.209 Isn't it? Isn't it also true that it's all along? 0:08:35.210 --> 0:08:36.250 It was faith. 0:08:36.929 --> 0:08:37.609 Always. 0:08:38.090 --> 0:08:40.570 It's faith in. Well, God told us to do this, 0:08:40.570 --> 0:08:43.450 to offer these sacrifices. We do it even if we 0:08:43.450 --> 0:08:46.850 don't understand it as an act of faith and obedience. 0:08:46.890 --> 0:08:49.400 I do think they understood that they were because they 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:52.000 had to lay their hand on the sacrifice, the animal 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:55.880 and then identify. You know, they take this, this animal, 0:08:56.240 --> 0:09:00.640 identify with it by putting their sin symbolically on the animal. 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.200 Then the death of the animal, there's an exchange of life. 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:05.760 So so the animal dies and I live. So they 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:07.760 understood it, but they what they had to do was 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:12.720 they had to exercise faith in that process, and then 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.920 their sins would be forgiven. The the same way that 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:20.760 the death of Jesus as our substitute, it's not enough 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:23.000 to say, well, he died. And whether I believe in 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:26.840 him or not, God's going to apply his atonement to me. No, 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:30.680 there must be faith in his death and his resurrection 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:33.880 in order for that benefit to accrue to us. 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:36.680 Thank you. I just think for many of us, there's 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.360 a we don't quite understand all that. So thank you. 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:45.679 Yep. Okay. Uh. We're going to we're going to take. Oh, 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:47.200 we're going to take another question. Okay. 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:50.240 Hi, Michael. Jonathan here with a question. I was reading 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:52.960 Micah six earlier today. And you know, Micah six eight 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:56.400 has the the classic passage. And what does the Lord 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:58.440 require of you but to do justice and to love 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:02.000 kindness and to walk humbly with your God? But continuing 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:06.240 on the conversation about sacrifices before that, in the first, uh, 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:10.079 the first two verses preceding in six and seven, it says, 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:12.680 with what shall I come before the Lord and bow 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.240 myself before God on high? And it talks about, shall 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.360 I come before him with burnt offerings? Uh, a thousand 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:21.960 a thousand goats and or rams, and then, uh, ten 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:26.160 thousands of rivers of oil and and so talking about that, 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:28.600 it says, well, should I give these sacrifices to, to him? 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:30.360 Will this be pleasing to him? And then he says, 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:33.000 but this is what I require of you. Uh, when 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.280 I read that, it kind of struck me and made 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:38.560 me think, well, he he did require sacrifices, as you 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.800 have mentioned. How do I take what he's saying? This 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:44.880 is all that I require of you. But them taking 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:47.200 the requirements of of books in the past. 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:48.679 You want to go first? 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:51.480 Yeah. Jonathan. I mean, here's exactly what we just had 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:55.000 from our last question, in essence, is that it doesn't matter. 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:57.280 This is like Psalm 50. It doesn't matter if you 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:00.520 bring all these animals, right? God's like, oh, great, I'm hungry. 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:03.120 I need these animals. I've got to have this. God 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:05.360 is not in need of anything, right? All of this 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:08.760 was to be the icing on top of the cake 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:11.760 of a heart that understands. It falls short of the 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:15.560 glory of God. And we need God's mercy and his forgiveness. 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:18.280 And I think that's where we're looking at verse eight, 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:22.559 the rectification, the repentance, the fruit of repentance that starts 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:26.280 in our heart. And of course, it's not the icing 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:29.080 that makes the cake, right. This is just what we 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.600 do as an expression of our heart that is made 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:35.200 right with the King. And this is why in Matthew 23, 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:38.360 when the Pharisees are castigated for just going through the 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:42.120 motions of everything and tithing out their spices, but they're 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.589 not interested in justice and doing what's right. This is 0:11:45.590 --> 0:11:48.790 a great text that really embodies that truth. And the 0:11:48.790 --> 0:11:51.190 truth is, you better have your heart right. And all 0:11:51.230 --> 0:11:54.750 of your extension of of worship in the Old Testament 0:11:54.750 --> 0:11:56.350 systems got to it's got to come from that. It's 0:11:56.350 --> 0:11:59.110 like if you go Jonathan to church and you're singing 0:11:59.110 --> 0:12:03.230 the songs of wonderfully theologically sound words, it means nothing, right? 0:12:03.270 --> 0:12:05.470 Micah one take away the noise of your songs. It 0:12:05.470 --> 0:12:07.990 doesn't matter. Unless, of course, your heart is right, then 0:12:07.990 --> 0:12:10.030 it matters a great deal. And this is very pleasing 0:12:10.070 --> 0:12:12.550 to the Lord. Of course, the Lord is pleased if 0:12:12.550 --> 0:12:14.829 if Israelites of the Old Testament do what is right. 0:12:14.830 --> 0:12:17.870 But it starts with where you are as a human being, 0:12:17.870 --> 0:12:20.830 and that it presupposes the predicate of it is a 0:12:20.830 --> 0:12:24.030 repentant heart. And I think that's throughout the Old Testament. 0:12:24.070 --> 0:12:26.350 Yeah. When you look at Isaiah one, it says, what 0:12:26.350 --> 0:12:29.710 are your sacrifices to me? I've had enough of burnt 0:12:29.750 --> 0:12:33.070 offerings and rams and the fat of well-fed cattle. I 0:12:33.110 --> 0:12:35.949 have no desire for the blood of bulls, lambs or 0:12:35.950 --> 0:12:39.110 male goats. When you come to appear before me, who 0:12:39.110 --> 0:12:43.710 requires this from you? Why, God requires it. But they 0:12:43.710 --> 0:12:49.110 were coming without faith, without a desire. They were ritualistic. 0:12:49.309 --> 0:12:51.710 It was mere ceremony. And they thought as long as 0:12:51.710 --> 0:12:55.390 I got the sacrifice, I'm covered. And God was saying, no, 0:12:55.429 --> 0:12:58.469 I need your heart and your sacrifice. He goes on 0:12:58.510 --> 0:13:01.790 to say that he hates their new moons. He hates 0:13:01.790 --> 0:13:04.949 their solemn assemblies. Why do you even lift up your 0:13:04.950 --> 0:13:09.470 hands in prayer? The point is prayer. Obviously, God wants 0:13:09.470 --> 0:13:13.710 us to pray, but not if our hearts aren't right 0:13:13.710 --> 0:13:17.270 with him. And so it's not, uh, it's both and 0:13:17.270 --> 0:13:19.550 not either or. So that's that's what I'm saying. We're 0:13:19.550 --> 0:13:22.350 going to take a break here. And when we come back, 0:13:22.670 --> 0:13:24.990 we are going to take more of your questions right 0:13:24.990 --> 0:13:29.350 here at the National Religious Broadcasters Convention. Joining me today 0:13:29.350 --> 0:13:32.790 is doctor Mike Fabares, and I'm Michael Melnick, and you're 0:13:32.790 --> 0:13:36.030 listening to Moody Radio's Open Line. We'll be right back 0:13:36.030 --> 0:13:51.660 with more questions straight ahead. Jewish people completed our annual 0:13:51.660 --> 0:13:56.179 Passover observance last weekend. 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And we're 0:15:18.300 --> 0:15:20.500 going to go right back to questions right now. 0:15:20.780 --> 0:15:24.060 Hi. My name is Shannon. And my question is, with 0:15:24.060 --> 0:15:27.180 heaven being a perfect place of peace and communion with God, 0:15:27.180 --> 0:15:28.700 what does free will look like? 0:15:30.300 --> 0:15:32.740 First of all, I just want to say that, uh, 0:15:32.740 --> 0:15:37.220 free will is something there's a moral responsibility that we 0:15:37.220 --> 0:15:41.460 all have. And Adam and Eve had sort of an 0:15:41.460 --> 0:15:47.460 untested freedom, I guess you could say. And then they failed. 0:15:48.980 --> 0:15:54.500 And it affected all of us. And then God redeemed us. 0:15:55.180 --> 0:15:57.620 And when we're in his presence, the Bible says, when 0:15:57.620 --> 0:16:00.900 we see him, we shall be like him. Uh, those 0:16:00.900 --> 0:16:03.180 of us who know him. And so I would say, 0:16:03.740 --> 0:16:06.940 what happens is we are confirmed in his likeness. We 0:16:06.940 --> 0:16:09.820 are now free to do the right thing and not 0:16:09.820 --> 0:16:13.060 the wrong. And so I think that's the simplest answer, 0:16:13.060 --> 0:16:15.860 is that we are we're free. Uh, do you want 0:16:15.900 --> 0:16:16.700 to add anything to that? 0:16:16.740 --> 0:16:19.100 Yeah, I wrote a chapter on this because it is 0:16:19.100 --> 0:16:22.180 it's an eventual question you're going to have. Right? Most 0:16:22.180 --> 0:16:24.820 people think, well, I'm going to be like Adam and Eve, right? 0:16:24.860 --> 0:16:27.860 I'm going to be I'm going to be holy. And 0:16:27.860 --> 0:16:29.620 why can't I do what Adam and Eve did? But 0:16:29.620 --> 0:16:33.860 that's not what theologians have rightly understood. And you use 0:16:33.860 --> 0:16:36.580 the word and they use it a lot. We're confirmed 0:16:36.860 --> 0:16:39.250 in our righteousness. It was a hard chapter to write. 0:16:39.250 --> 0:16:42.010 Probably the hardest in this book called Ten Mistakes People 0:16:42.010 --> 0:16:44.610 Make About Heaven hell in the afterlife, not a moody publication. 0:16:44.610 --> 0:16:45.570 So it's not great. 0:16:45.610 --> 0:16:46.290 No, it's a. 0:16:46.290 --> 0:16:47.370 Good book, but it's not a great. 0:16:47.370 --> 0:16:49.530 Book. I mentioned it all the time anyway. 0:16:49.570 --> 0:16:53.370 That book I worked to find everything I could, knowing 0:16:53.410 --> 0:16:57.770 the basic concept. Here's where the easy, the simple person 0:16:57.770 --> 0:17:01.130 can go. Jesus says forever and ever, right? He makes 0:17:01.130 --> 0:17:04.010 it clear. So if you don't care about what happens 0:17:04.010 --> 0:17:06.010 when you flip the switch and how the electricity gets 0:17:06.010 --> 0:17:07.689 to the bulb and how it lights up, that's all 0:17:07.690 --> 0:17:10.090 you need to know, Jesus said, forever and ever. Right? 0:17:10.090 --> 0:17:13.290 We're going to be there, perfected in a perfect place, 0:17:13.290 --> 0:17:16.210 making perfect good decisions forever and ever. But if you 0:17:16.210 --> 0:17:18.250 want to understand it, that's where I think Jonathan Edwards 0:17:18.250 --> 0:17:20.570 and others have rightly dug into this to try and 0:17:20.570 --> 0:17:23.650 come to a conclusion that there's something about that post 0:17:23.690 --> 0:17:26.889 tested experience. Even in the millennial Kingdom, I would assume 0:17:26.890 --> 0:17:30.050 you have this view. Uh, the reason Satan is let 0:17:30.090 --> 0:17:32.010 out at the end of this, right? You need that 0:17:32.010 --> 0:17:36.250 time of post testing confirmation. Everyone in the kingdom, including 0:17:36.250 --> 0:17:40.050 the angels, are post tested. And I think there's something 0:17:40.050 --> 0:17:43.930 about that. Testing and redemption and all that. We see 0:17:43.930 --> 0:17:45.850 that we're going to glorify God, not because we're going 0:17:45.890 --> 0:17:48.570 to say, look, I made good decisions, but because Christ 0:17:48.609 --> 0:17:52.369 has has redeemed me. And now we're going to be perfected. 0:17:52.490 --> 0:17:55.730 And there'll be nothing against that perfection. Our flesh totally 0:17:55.730 --> 0:18:00.210 in sync with, with God, our minds, our hearts, our spirit. No, tempter. 0:18:00.450 --> 0:18:02.570 All of that I think is key to this. Or 0:18:02.570 --> 0:18:04.330 we go back to what Jesus said forever and ever. 0:18:04.330 --> 0:18:05.609 We're going to be in this place forever and ever. 0:18:05.650 --> 0:18:08.409 Also, will those of us who have glorified bodies in 0:18:08.410 --> 0:18:10.570 the Millennial Kingdom. That won't be a test for us. 0:18:10.609 --> 0:18:13.650 That's true, that's true. But the people who are born 0:18:14.090 --> 0:18:18.130 in or enter the millennial Kingdom without glorified bodies, they're believers, 0:18:18.130 --> 0:18:21.130 but they enter the kingdom. That's what that test is 0:18:21.170 --> 0:18:24.610 at the end of the thousand years. That's right, that's right. So, okay. 0:18:25.570 --> 0:18:29.889 Hi, this is Brenda from Tupelo, and I was reading 0:18:29.890 --> 0:18:32.570 the Bible but was confused and maybe you could help me. 0:18:32.890 --> 0:18:37.320 I don't know, understand what's the difference between the tabernacle 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:41.399 and the temple? The same thing seemed to be happening, 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:43.439 and I don't. I don't know the difference. Could you 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:45.320 help me understand that? Thank you. 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:46.200 Sure. 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:49.640 The Prentiss sounds sweet. 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:53.800 Yeah, yeah. Southern. Uh, there we go. Uh, well, Brenda, 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:59.480 here's the thing. It's the Leviticus, uh, or Exodus lays 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:05.200 out the tabernacle, and it was temporary. But in the 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:07.960 the Torah, it says over and over that God's going 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:11.720 to choose a place where he will make his name dwell. 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:15.480 And that was always an anticipation that there would be 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:19.160 a permanent structure where God would commune with people, where 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:22.400 there would be fellowship restored, and that would be the temple. 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:24.440 And of course, that's what Solomon. 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:27.560 Yeah, the simple answer, Brenda, is one's a tent and 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:31.800 one's a building. Yeah. And yeah, even the Feast of Tabernacles, 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:34.800 if you depending on the translation you're reading, right? They were. 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:38.080 They were tenting. They were intense. The feast of Booths. Right. 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:40.480 Picture it that way. The idea of them going through 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.160 the wilderness, they were all intense. And of course, the 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:45.120 worship center was going to be in a tent. That's 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:47.760 the tabernacle. Yeah. One day it'll be a temple. Temple? 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:48.480 That's a building. 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.800 Yeah. And so there was first, it's so interesting. There 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:54.680 was a tabernacle, then there was the first temple, then 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:56.800 there was the second temple. Then the second temple was 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:59.720 rebuilt and became Herod's Temple. Because it was so fancy 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:02.120 that was destroyed. There's going to be a Ezekiel temple. 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:04.280 There's going to be a temple before that. The false 0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:09.359 messiahs temple in the in the tribulation period. Uh, but 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:11.880 there's all just this is going to sound funny, but 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:15.919 it's all just one temple. Uh, and I kind of 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:19.440 think of Yankee Stadium. Uh, there was a Yankee Stadium, 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:22.560 the house that Ruth built, and then, uh, it was 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:27.040 taken down to the foundations and rebuilt about 1970. And 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:29.919 then it was torn down and it was rebuilt across 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:33.520 the street. It's still Yankee Stadium, And that's sort of 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:36.960 how the temple is from generation to generation. 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:38.200 Okay. 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:41.879 So hi, I have a question. My name is Rob. Um, 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:46.000 would you recommend reading the additional books that are in the, say, 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:48.080 Orthodox or Catholic Bibles? 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:51.159 Would I recommend reading them? 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:54.159 There seems to be some. There's additional books that are 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:55.520 not in a traditional Bible. 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:57.320 Like the apocryphal books. 0:20:57.359 --> 0:20:58.840 Exactly. Is there value in that. 0:20:58.840 --> 0:20:59.600 Book of Tobit? 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:01.399 Things like that. What's your thoughts on that? 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:05.240 Well, first of all, the I would always just say, 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:09.800 I don't believe that they have the mark of, of 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:13.239 canon on it. They are not inspired. And, uh, the 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:17.439 Bible uses the word inspired. All Scripture is inspired. God breathed. 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:20.280 And so I would say, uh, they are not inspired, 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:21.719 but that doesn't. There are a lot of books I 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:26.080 read that aren't inspired. And I remember when I was 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:30.520 a first year college student at Moody Bible Institute and 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:34.389 I took New Testament survey. Uh. Did you you were 0:21:34.390 --> 0:21:35.110 a moody student. 0:21:35.150 --> 0:21:36.750 I was. And I took New Testament survey. 0:21:36.790 --> 0:21:38.870 And we had to read the Apocrypha before we read 0:21:38.869 --> 0:21:41.830 the New Testament. And the reason was to set the 0:21:41.830 --> 0:21:46.150 cultural religious milieu of where the New Testament was sitting. 0:21:46.190 --> 0:21:48.830 So, yeah, I think that, uh, I would say the 0:21:48.830 --> 0:21:51.870 practical question to answer your question directly, if you've read 0:21:51.869 --> 0:21:54.910 the Bible through from cover to cover ten times, then 0:21:54.910 --> 0:21:56.750 I don't mind someone reading through the Apocrypha. 0:21:56.790 --> 0:21:57.310 There we go. 0:21:57.350 --> 0:21:59.229 Because you really need to set the base. And if 0:21:59.230 --> 0:22:01.750 you do read the Apocrypha, after being well acquainted with 0:22:01.750 --> 0:22:04.750 the Bible, you'll find this. This is obvious why it's 0:22:04.750 --> 0:22:09.590 not canonical. It doesn't even, uh, in many places have 0:22:09.590 --> 0:22:13.910 a kind of integrity historically. And so there's nothing wrong 0:22:13.910 --> 0:22:17.790 with reading it. The problem today is especially with Roman Catholics, 0:22:18.109 --> 0:22:20.510 this is because the Council of Trent and after in 0:22:20.550 --> 0:22:23.389 the in the Counter-Reformation, they were looking for a few 0:22:23.390 --> 0:22:27.270 passages to pin some of their doctrines on. And so 0:22:27.310 --> 0:22:30.230 they said, well, we're going to make these the scripture. Well, 0:22:30.230 --> 0:22:34.870 everyone was into reading the Apocrypha before the Reformation and 0:22:34.869 --> 0:22:37.390 even after the Reformation. But then they said you are 0:22:37.430 --> 0:22:41.710 anathema if you don't see these on par with Scripture. 0:22:41.910 --> 0:22:44.990 And that's where there became a battle. But before that, 0:22:44.990 --> 0:22:46.310 everyone said, yeah, if you want to learn some of 0:22:46.310 --> 0:22:48.350 the things, particularly in First and second Maccabees, you need 0:22:48.350 --> 0:22:51.070 to read these books, because they give us the historical 0:22:51.109 --> 0:22:53.790 bridge between the two Testaments. But everyone knew there was 0:22:53.790 --> 0:22:55.470 a 400 year period of silence. 0:22:55.510 --> 0:22:59.910 Yeah. And as Lou Goldberg, my predecessor at Moody Bible Institute, 0:22:59.910 --> 0:23:03.150 used to say, it was dime store literature. I don't 0:23:03.150 --> 0:23:05.190 know if anyone knows what a dime store is anymore, 0:23:05.310 --> 0:23:09.590 but it's what that that common literature that people read 0:23:09.590 --> 0:23:13.190 all the time. And they were they found it kind 0:23:13.190 --> 0:23:17.150 of religious and interesting, but they didn't give it the 0:23:17.150 --> 0:23:22.750 authority of Scripture. What I fear today, like we read 0:23:22.750 --> 0:23:26.070 it as historical cultural background to the New Testament, as 0:23:26.070 --> 0:23:29.110 we said. But what I fear today is that when 0:23:29.109 --> 0:23:31.869 people read it, they're looking for something deeper than Scripture, 0:23:31.869 --> 0:23:36.190 more than Scripture. Uh, and, and so I would just 0:23:36.190 --> 0:23:39.670 be cautious about that, that they give us a cultural milieu, 0:23:39.670 --> 0:23:40.470 but that's it. 0:23:40.750 --> 0:23:42.590 But it sounds like scripture. And that's why sometimes if 0:23:42.590 --> 0:23:46.870 you read like Ben Sira and the, uh, proverbial books, 0:23:47.070 --> 0:23:49.070 they sound like you're reading the Book of Proverbs. They're 0:23:49.070 --> 0:23:53.830 just that ancient Jewish literature. Um, that basically can can 0:23:53.869 --> 0:23:56.389 lure you into thinking, well, I'm reading the Bible, but 0:23:56.430 --> 0:23:59.550 you've got to know that the church never accepted these 0:23:59.590 --> 0:24:04.270 as canonical, on par as God breathed until the Counter Reformation. 0:24:04.310 --> 0:24:07.630 You read wisdom books like that in the Apocrypha. It's 0:24:07.630 --> 0:24:10.590 sort of like reading the seven Habits of Highly Effective People. 0:24:10.869 --> 0:24:14.510 It might have some truth in there, but it's not Scripture. Correct. 0:24:14.550 --> 0:24:17.830 So good. Uh, well, uh, we're going to ask a 0:24:17.830 --> 0:24:20.350 question real quick. Let's let's see if we can get 0:24:20.350 --> 0:24:22.470 that last one in before the break. 0:24:22.510 --> 0:24:26.750 Hello. My name is George. And where was Noah's Ark 0:24:26.750 --> 0:24:28.980 AAC builds are. 0:24:29.940 --> 0:24:33.380 I'm just going to start by saying Mike Fabares has 0:24:33.380 --> 0:24:37.179 a big backyard. That's right. And that's that's where. 0:24:37.180 --> 0:24:38.460 All the big ships are built. 0:24:38.500 --> 0:24:44.300 Yeah. It's near the Pacific Ocean, that's why. So, uh, uh, 0:24:44.300 --> 0:24:48.060 where was it built? Uh, I'm not sure that that 0:24:48.060 --> 0:24:49.260 there's an answer to that. 0:24:49.300 --> 0:24:51.620 No, I mean, how could we know? We're not even. 0:24:51.980 --> 0:24:54.220 Here's what you need to remember about the flood. Everything 0:24:54.220 --> 0:24:57.940 from Genesis 6 to 9 that catastrophically changed the world. 0:24:58.180 --> 0:25:00.979 And so when people are asking questions about everything prior 0:25:00.980 --> 0:25:05.380 to Genesis six, I don't have any definitive answers. And 0:25:05.660 --> 0:25:09.179 I don't have my geography anywhere in my own mind, 0:25:09.220 --> 0:25:12.220 completely satisfied that even some of the rivers that are 0:25:12.220 --> 0:25:15.300 named the same prior are found in the same place. 0:25:15.340 --> 0:25:19.500 Everything was the foundations of the deep, uh, were were 0:25:19.660 --> 0:25:22.659 brought up. They were huge earthquakes that changed the topography 0:25:22.660 --> 0:25:26.300 of the Earth. It changed so much of of the area. 0:25:27.460 --> 0:25:32.860 How do you know? You can't possibly know. So, uh. Well, anyway, we're, uh, 0:25:33.140 --> 0:25:34.859 let me just say where we're at. We're at the 0:25:34.900 --> 0:25:39.060 National Religious broadcasters. People are here. We've got a live audience, 0:25:39.060 --> 0:25:42.100 but it's a pre-recorded program, so don't call today. Joining 0:25:42.100 --> 0:25:45.780 me today is Mike Fabares from Compass Bible Church. We're glad. 0:25:45.780 --> 0:25:48.699 I'm glad that he's here helping with the hard questions. 0:25:48.700 --> 0:25:51.020 And we're going to come right back with more. This 0:25:51.020 --> 0:25:54.060 is Michael Ray Dolnick, and you're listening to Open Line. 0:26:00.619 --> 0:26:03.820 We're so glad that Febc partners with Open Line with 0:26:03.820 --> 0:26:07.900 Doctor Michael Ray Dolnick bringing the Febc mailbag every week. 0:26:08.100 --> 0:26:11.179 Learn how far East Broadcasting Company is taking Christ to 0:26:11.220 --> 0:26:15.540 the world at febc. Org on their weekly podcast. Until 0:26:15.540 --> 0:26:18.260 all I've heard with Ed Cannon, you'll hear stories of 0:26:18.260 --> 0:26:22.379 lives changed by Messiah all across the globe. Again. You 0:26:22.380 --> 0:26:28.410 can hear the podcast when you visit Febc. Org. That's Febc. Org. 0:26:38.730 --> 0:26:43.010 Welcome back to this very special edition of Open Line. Uh, 0:26:43.010 --> 0:26:45.490 my name is Michael Ray Melnick, and we are at 0:26:45.490 --> 0:26:49.010 the National Religious Broadcasters Convention. And we have a live 0:26:49.010 --> 0:26:52.050 audience here, but we're still going to do the Febc mailbag. 0:26:52.090 --> 0:26:56.170 Joining me is doctor Mike Fabares. And now joining me is, uh, 0:26:56.730 --> 0:27:00.090 Tricia McMillan, producer of Open Line. And I do want 0:27:00.130 --> 0:27:04.250 to say that I appreciate Febc Far Eastern Broadcasting Company 0:27:04.250 --> 0:27:07.210 for partnering with us to bring the mailbag every week. 0:27:07.410 --> 0:27:10.370 It's a wonderful ministry that brings the gospel to people 0:27:10.369 --> 0:27:16.169 through media and personal contact through people. And I think 0:27:16.170 --> 0:27:18.729 that is a marvelous ministry. If you want to know more, 0:27:18.850 --> 0:27:22.370 check out their podcast. 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Very often I do get the 0:27:52.130 --> 0:27:54.090 call from time to time to host this wonderful show 0:27:54.130 --> 0:27:54.890 with Trish. 0:27:55.130 --> 0:27:56.410 Or if I'm traveling. 0:27:56.410 --> 0:27:57.970 Or when you're traveling. That's right. 0:27:58.010 --> 0:28:01.850 Or I know you're going to host, uh, at graduation 0:28:01.890 --> 0:28:04.090 when I'm the dean, I've got to be there handing 0:28:04.090 --> 0:28:07.890 out diplomas. So, uh, happily, you get to go in 0:28:07.890 --> 0:28:10.729 and answer questions. I'd rather do what you're doing that way. 0:28:10.770 --> 0:28:12.129 And, Trish, are you going to be there that day? 0:28:12.130 --> 0:28:13.250 I'm going to be there. Oh, good. 0:28:13.290 --> 0:28:16.290 Very good. So, uh, I appreciate you sitting in. That's 0:28:16.290 --> 0:28:18.609 part of the team. I really do appreciate it. And 0:28:18.609 --> 0:28:20.410 Trish is always part of the team. We have this 0:28:20.410 --> 0:28:24.010 great team. 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Thanks, Tricia. 0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:28.320 You're welcome. 0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:28.760 Okay. 0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:31.320 There we go. Okay, we're going to do the mailbag 0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:32.400 right now. So, what do we got? 0:29:32.440 --> 0:29:34.920 Our first question is from Andy in Ohio. He listens 0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:38.360 to CRF. He's doing a deep dive into Isaiah and 0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:41.880 said it's pretty cool. Mhm. So he got to Isaiah 1412. 0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:45.880 And the King James version uses Lucifer's name. But none 0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:48.920 of the other translations do. Uh, and he said the 0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:51.000 presence of that name has impacted how I read the 0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:54.160 entire passage. And I've heard many sermons about the five 0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:56.640 I will statements that come later. And all of those 0:29:56.640 --> 0:29:59.719 treat this passage as being about Satan. But now I'm 0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:02.200 wondering if I'm barking up the wrong tree because I'm 0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:06.200 not finding this in some of the other places I've looked. Uh, 0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:08.160 do you have any insight as to why the King 0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:11.520 James translators decided to put Lucifer's name in the passage? 0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:13.560 And is this passage talking about Satan? 0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:20.160 Okay, well, first of all, Lucifer is not in that text. 0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:24.080 I looked it up in Hebrew and it it actually 0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:29.320 has these words. Uh, it says star of the morning. 0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:33.080 Sun of the dawn. Those are the Hebrew. That's the 0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:37.920 translation of the actual Hebrew words. So, uh, I'm not. 0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:40.480 I can't speak to why. Maybe, you know, why do 0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:41.240 you think it's. 0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:43.640 It comes from the Vulgate, as I recall. I don't 0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:46.360 have any notes in front of me, but it has 0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:49.200 a etymological connection to being a light bearer. 0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:50.920 Okay. So the Latin word. 0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:51.440 Yes. 0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:53.920 There we go. Okay. So, because Luce. 0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:56.440 Would be light, I assume. Yes. 0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:57.960 Luce. Like, illuminate? Yes. 0:30:57.960 --> 0:30:58.720 Right. Yeah. Okay. 0:30:58.760 --> 0:31:00.680 So? So that's. So that comes from there. 0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:02.360 And here's the objection, by the way. A lot of 0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:05.320 people say, oh, it can't we don't like that because 0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:09.240 that's a name of of Jesus. And I've had people 0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:11.440 call in and say that to me like, well, he's 0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:14.520 the morning star. That's what Peter says. Well that's true. Right. 0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:18.070 He's also called a lot of things that Jesus is called, right? 0:31:18.110 --> 0:31:20.430 So it's not a stumbling block for us to see 0:31:20.430 --> 0:31:25.150 that here. Daystar. Right. Is Christ is the real Daystar, obviously, right. 0:31:25.190 --> 0:31:28.430 He's an angel of light, right? But he's neither angel 0:31:28.430 --> 0:31:30.350 nor light, right. In the sense that we would say 0:31:30.390 --> 0:31:32.550 angel in the in the vocabulary of people think he's 0:31:32.550 --> 0:31:36.110 a good he's a demon and, you know, he's darkness, but. 0:31:36.110 --> 0:31:37.790 So we shouldn't stumble. 0:31:37.830 --> 0:31:40.670 Think about this in John eight, uh, the Lord Jesus says, 0:31:40.870 --> 0:31:43.590 I am the light of the world. In Matthew five 0:31:43.630 --> 0:31:46.190 he says, you are the light of the world. And 0:31:46.190 --> 0:31:50.030 so when I believe that this. Now let me just 0:31:50.030 --> 0:31:52.230 jump here. And I think we agree about this. We 0:31:52.230 --> 0:31:56.310 mentioned it earlier that Isaiah 14 is being directed to 0:31:56.350 --> 0:31:59.990 the king of Babylon, but with the king of Babylon, 0:31:59.990 --> 0:32:04.310 there's all these earthly, powerful kings. According to Daniel, ten 0:32:04.550 --> 0:32:11.030 have forces behind them, evil forces. Uh, and so I 0:32:11.030 --> 0:32:13.710 think what happens here in the middle of the chapter 0:32:13.710 --> 0:32:17.350 when it addresses him as son of the morning. Uh, 0:32:17.390 --> 0:32:20.430 son of the dawn. Whatever it is. Uh, it's going 0:32:20.430 --> 0:32:25.390 to the power behind this evil king of Babylon. And 0:32:25.630 --> 0:32:29.790 there you have the five I wills. Yeah. Where? But 0:32:29.790 --> 0:32:32.550 he says he wants to be, like, the Most High. 0:32:33.270 --> 0:32:39.390 And when he was created, he was a beautiful, created being. Right. 0:32:39.430 --> 0:32:42.670 And then he wanted to be the very one who 0:32:42.670 --> 0:32:44.950 was the uncreated being. He wanted to be as great 0:32:44.950 --> 0:32:45.390 as him. 0:32:45.430 --> 0:32:47.470 Yeah. The answer to the question. I wouldn't stumble over 0:32:47.470 --> 0:32:50.790 the translation because there's a connection to what is in 0:32:50.790 --> 0:32:53.710 the Hebrew text here. It's just that if you're going 0:32:53.750 --> 0:32:56.229 to look at this and try and back off of 0:32:56.230 --> 0:32:58.750 the fact that Satan is seen in the background here, 0:32:58.750 --> 0:33:00.310 if not in the foreground of some of these, I 0:33:00.310 --> 0:33:03.870 will statements go to Ezekiel 28. It does the same thing. 0:33:03.910 --> 0:33:05.990 It sets up a perfect paradigm for us that I 0:33:05.990 --> 0:33:09.910 think is followed here as we read this, because Ezekiel 28, 0:33:09.950 --> 0:33:12.270 I mean, it's hard to deny it, right? The way 0:33:12.310 --> 0:33:14.070 the cherubim is used. Right. 0:33:14.510 --> 0:33:15.310 You were in Eden. 0:33:15.310 --> 0:33:19.990 Right in Eden. So that one to me is is, uh, absolutely, 100%. 0:33:19.990 --> 0:33:23.270 This one I know gets a lot of of, uh, criticism. 0:33:23.270 --> 0:33:26.310 And we've talked about this off air before. We didn't 0:33:26.310 --> 0:33:28.870 get to this statement. But I think so many people 0:33:28.870 --> 0:33:31.790 shy away from these things when they start looking at 0:33:31.830 --> 0:33:35.870 Isaiah or Ezekiel or any text of Scripture as purely 0:33:35.870 --> 0:33:39.470 a human, uh, authorship. Right. And we've got to remember 0:33:39.470 --> 0:33:42.470 the dual authorship of Scripture from beginning to end. If 0:33:42.470 --> 0:33:45.750 these are words that are God breathed, right, God is 0:33:45.750 --> 0:33:49.950 communicating something beyond what the knowledge of Isaiah or Jeremiah 0:33:49.950 --> 0:33:53.550 would have. God is the ultimate author of Scripture, and 0:33:53.590 --> 0:33:56.510 this shouldn't open up our minds to all kinds of interpretation, 0:33:56.510 --> 0:33:58.070 but it does. We've got to keep in mind the 0:33:58.110 --> 0:34:01.150 dual authorship. And in this I think we see the 0:34:01.190 --> 0:34:04.510 satanic power behind Babylon. 0:34:04.550 --> 0:34:06.910 And listen, I don't think Isaiah would be surprised to 0:34:06.950 --> 0:34:11.830 think that the King of Babylon was empowered syntactically. And 0:34:11.830 --> 0:34:14.100 just think of Genesis three. I've heard people say, well, 0:34:14.140 --> 0:34:18.860 Satan is in in Genesis three. It's only a serpent. Well, 0:34:18.860 --> 0:34:24.339 wait a minute. Even in Genesis. Snakes didn't talk. And 0:34:24.340 --> 0:34:27.420 they certainly all things that God made were good. So 0:34:27.420 --> 0:34:30.980 this snake seems to have a malicious intent to. So, 0:34:30.980 --> 0:34:33.780 you know, there's a power behind the serpent that's opening 0:34:33.780 --> 0:34:34.420 its mouth. 0:34:34.460 --> 0:34:36.940 And revelation puts it to rest. Yeah, right. 0:34:36.980 --> 0:34:39.299 Clearly. Yeah. The serpent of old. So I think that's 0:34:39.300 --> 0:34:41.300 what's happening with the king of Babylon. That's what's happening 0:34:41.300 --> 0:34:43.899 with the king of Tyre in Ezekiel 28. Yes, it's 0:34:43.900 --> 0:34:46.900 addressing them. But then it goes, you know what's empowering? This? 0:34:47.260 --> 0:34:48.980 This is the enemy. Okay. 0:34:49.020 --> 0:34:52.220 All right. Thank you. Thank you for that answer. Uh, 0:34:52.219 --> 0:34:58.900 CK in Washington listens to KMP in Luke 1941 through 44, 0:35:00.060 --> 0:35:03.299 which says as he approached this is Jesus and saw 0:35:03.300 --> 0:35:05.899 the city. He wept over it, saying, if you knew 0:35:05.940 --> 0:35:08.500 this day what would bring peace, but now it is 0:35:08.500 --> 0:35:10.980 hidden from your eyes. For the days will come on 0:35:11.020 --> 0:35:13.660 you when your enemies will build an embankment against you, 0:35:13.700 --> 0:35:16.819 surround you and hem you in on every side. They 0:35:16.820 --> 0:35:19.660 will crush you and your children within, within you, to 0:35:19.700 --> 0:35:22.460 the ground, and they will not leave one stone upon 0:35:22.500 --> 0:35:25.380 another in you, because you did not recognize the time 0:35:25.380 --> 0:35:29.739 of your visitation. So CJ wants to know what is 0:35:29.739 --> 0:35:33.700 it that if they had known that that day, what 0:35:33.700 --> 0:35:36.100 would have been different? It's as if you knew that 0:35:36.100 --> 0:35:38.100 day what would bring peace. But now it's hidden. So 0:35:38.140 --> 0:35:42.180 like would, would Rome not have sacked Jerusalem or would 0:35:42.180 --> 0:35:43.900 it have altered other events? 0:35:44.980 --> 0:35:49.900 Well, the simple question here is what? Why? Why did 0:35:49.900 --> 0:35:54.020 Jerusalem get destroyed? And the answer is because Israel failed 0:35:54.020 --> 0:35:57.980 to recognize as a nation not not individuals, but as 0:35:57.980 --> 0:36:01.660 a whole. The nation did not recognize their time of 0:36:01.660 --> 0:36:05.580 visitation by the Messiah. They didn't recognize that Jesus was 0:36:05.580 --> 0:36:08.700 the Messiah. And as a result, the discipline that God 0:36:08.739 --> 0:36:11.690 brought was the destruction of Jerusalem, not the rejection of 0:36:11.690 --> 0:36:14.330 Jewish people for all time, not taking away their promises 0:36:14.330 --> 0:36:18.410 that God made, but the destruction of Jerusalem. And it's 0:36:18.410 --> 0:36:22.290 important to see that the Lord wept over this. And, uh, 0:36:22.330 --> 0:36:24.370 to me, you know, you stand on the Mount of Olives. 0:36:24.370 --> 0:36:27.569 There's a church there called Dominus Flevit in Latin. Our 0:36:27.570 --> 0:36:31.530 Lord wept. And I had a student that one summer 0:36:31.530 --> 0:36:34.689 spent the whole summer. She said she was going to 0:36:34.730 --> 0:36:37.930 figure out what broke God's heart so that she could 0:36:37.930 --> 0:36:41.490 serve in that ministry, whatever it is. And so she 0:36:41.530 --> 0:36:44.570 spent the summer reading the New Testament. What breaks God's heart? 0:36:44.570 --> 0:36:49.650 And she said, Jesus wept twice, once at Lazarus grave 0:36:49.690 --> 0:36:53.770 over the unbelief of the people, and once here over 0:36:53.770 --> 0:36:57.810 Jerusalem for the unbelief about the Messiah. She said, it's 0:36:57.810 --> 0:37:00.290 the unbelief of Israel that made the Lord Jesus weep. 0:37:00.610 --> 0:37:02.650 And she said, now I know what breaks his heart. 0:37:02.770 --> 0:37:08.930 And she's serving in Jerusalem now, which I think is phenomenal. Uh, but, uh, 0:37:08.930 --> 0:37:11.610 I think that that's that's wouldn't you agree that that's 0:37:11.610 --> 0:37:12.370 the Jerusalem. 0:37:12.410 --> 0:37:15.850 Absolutely. I agree with that. Precisely. And I think Romans 0:37:15.850 --> 0:37:18.649 11 is a great commentary on this text. Right. Hidden 0:37:18.650 --> 0:37:22.049 from your eyes here in verse 42, again, as Doctor 0:37:22.050 --> 0:37:25.489 Riedel rightly said, it's not to every last Jew, but 0:37:25.489 --> 0:37:28.689 he says, this partial hardening of Israel has come right. 0:37:28.770 --> 0:37:32.770 And so that's what they miss. They miss their Messiah 0:37:33.050 --> 0:37:35.850 and the kingdom being offered, as we often say. Right. 0:37:35.890 --> 0:37:39.890 They they rejected Christ, and Christ wept over that. And 0:37:39.930 --> 0:37:42.570 in God's big plan, obviously now we have this period 0:37:42.570 --> 0:37:45.690 of time with this new thing called the church, and 0:37:45.810 --> 0:37:48.850 that's going to fulfill God's plan until we get back 0:37:49.010 --> 0:37:53.450 to seeing that great Romans 11 revival of Jacob being 0:37:53.489 --> 0:37:54.610 turned to the Messiah. 0:37:54.850 --> 0:37:57.410 And the great news here as we go to break, 0:37:57.690 --> 0:38:02.489 is that there's even today, in this period, a remnant 0:38:02.489 --> 0:38:05.610 according to God's gracious choice. That's sort of down payment, 0:38:05.610 --> 0:38:09.089 because one day God's going to bring all Israel. The 0:38:09.090 --> 0:38:12.450 whole nation will turn in faith to Jesus and be 0:38:12.450 --> 0:38:15.210 redeemed by him and delivered by him. We're looking forward 0:38:15.210 --> 0:38:17.650 to that day. 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You 0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:45.480 like this program so much, I may be out of 0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:46.920 the way soon. So. 0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:48.760 Well, that's all up to Trish. 0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:52.239 Yeah, right. Well, we're going to go right back to 0:39:52.280 --> 0:39:53.760 questions right now okay. 0:39:53.920 --> 0:39:55.799 My name is Greg and I just have a I 0:39:55.920 --> 0:39:59.440 just marvel at the, um, just the synergy of the 0:39:59.440 --> 0:40:02.560 Bible from front to back. And, um, we were reading 0:40:02.560 --> 0:40:05.640 the daily Bible reading with our kids and In numbers 0:40:05.640 --> 0:40:08.160 eight just the other day, and it says it's talking 0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:10.960 about the cleansing of the Levites. And it says thus 0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:14.040 you shall separate the Levites from among the people of Israel, 0:40:14.040 --> 0:40:15.920 and the Levites shall be mine. And then you go 0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:18.040 down a few verses and he says, for they are 0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:20.799 wholly given to me from among the people of Israel, 0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:23.520 instead of all who opened the womb, the firstborn of 0:40:23.520 --> 0:40:26.440 all the people of Israel. So I'm fascinated, first of all, 0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:31.680 of that pattern of substitution. But why there? He had 0:40:31.680 --> 0:40:35.359 all the firstborn. That would be a substitution. But now 0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:37.919 he's going to make all the Levites. A substitution. Can 0:40:37.920 --> 0:40:39.560 you maybe expound on that a little? 0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:48.160 Well, God's choice is what I would say. Uh, I 0:40:48.360 --> 0:40:52.600 think that he, uh. I don't think God changes his mind. 0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:55.359 I think he wanted to. Because today in Judaism, we 0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:59.239 still do the redemption of the firstborn. So that's to 0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:04.430 remind people that God redeemed the firstborn. Uh, and it 0:41:04.430 --> 0:41:12.590 is a, a sense that, uh, people still have to 0:41:12.630 --> 0:41:17.830 remember that, uh, that God redeemed the firstborn out of 0:41:17.830 --> 0:41:21.630 Egypt and they belong to him. And now God chose 0:41:21.630 --> 0:41:24.990 to make, uh, the the priests and the Levites serve him, 0:41:25.190 --> 0:41:27.509 and but they still have to remember they it's sort 0:41:27.510 --> 0:41:31.750 of like they're substitutes for the the firstborns that were redeemed. 0:41:31.750 --> 0:41:34.469 Yeah. And I just think the concept in general. Right. 0:41:34.510 --> 0:41:39.870 The hierarchy of siblings, this represents everyone living on borrowed time, right? 0:41:39.910 --> 0:41:44.190 No one deserves. Which goes back to the Exodus. Right? 0:41:44.230 --> 0:41:49.110 In Exodus chapter 12, the idea of God saying, you, 0:41:49.110 --> 0:41:51.470 you all deserve to die. The wages of sin is death, 0:41:51.630 --> 0:41:52.630 but you get to live. 0:41:52.670 --> 0:41:53.830 We all deserve to die. Right. 0:41:53.830 --> 0:41:56.630 That's true. Yeah. And here is the representative of your family, 0:41:56.630 --> 0:42:00.590 this generation from this mom. And. Yeah, but the Levites 0:42:00.590 --> 0:42:03.189 end up being that. And remember, they don't get land, 0:42:03.190 --> 0:42:05.750 they don't get property. The Lord is their inheritance. And 0:42:05.750 --> 0:42:09.230 they become. And I remember being struck by that to 0:42:09.270 --> 0:42:12.589 reading that afresh. It's just interesting how they serve as 0:42:12.590 --> 0:42:15.350 the stand ins. As God says, these are mine. They 0:42:15.350 --> 0:42:17.989 don't have they don't get to have a regular Jewish 0:42:17.989 --> 0:42:22.670 life in an agrarian society. They now are God's people, 0:42:22.670 --> 0:42:25.710 serving God's interests and doing God's work. And think about 0:42:25.710 --> 0:42:27.950 it even on the Sabbath, as the Bible points out, 0:42:27.950 --> 0:42:30.310 they don't get to rest like everyone else. They're working. 0:42:30.350 --> 0:42:30.830 They're working. 0:42:30.950 --> 0:42:34.989 The idea of them being just focused on God was 0:42:35.150 --> 0:42:37.350 God's way of saying, you all should do that. 0:42:37.350 --> 0:42:39.469 But I just think, but they did get to eat 0:42:39.469 --> 0:42:40.190 more steak. 0:42:40.230 --> 0:42:41.910 They did. They ate a lot of steak and smelt 0:42:41.910 --> 0:42:42.950 good at their workplace. 0:42:42.950 --> 0:42:44.430 That's right. So okay. 0:42:44.710 --> 0:42:49.070 I am Keith from Peoria, Illinois, WGBH radio, and we're 0:42:49.110 --> 0:42:52.750 appearing to be closer to Jesus's return. I just wondering 0:42:52.750 --> 0:42:54.069 if you could comment a little bit on the things 0:42:54.070 --> 0:42:57.910 that you're seeing, signs of the times, the temple being rebuilt, 0:42:58.190 --> 0:43:00.830 the red heifer, things like that, where we're getting excited 0:43:00.830 --> 0:43:03.989 for his return and some of those signs. 0:43:04.230 --> 0:43:06.750 I'm just going to start by saying that I happen 0:43:06.750 --> 0:43:09.870 to believe, and I think it's from what the Lord 0:43:09.870 --> 0:43:12.590 Jesus said, no one knows the day or hour is coming. 0:43:13.030 --> 0:43:17.630 I believe in Imminency, and it's one of the reasons 0:43:17.630 --> 0:43:24.630 that I believe that the rapture when the Lord what 0:43:24.630 --> 0:43:28.030 I call it, the the great swoosh. No, the the. 0:43:28.950 --> 0:43:31.310 The great swoosh. No, I'm writing that down. 0:43:31.590 --> 0:43:35.790 You know, when we're just called up, you know, uh, 0:43:36.670 --> 0:43:41.630 that can happen any moment and nothing else has to happen. Uh, 0:43:41.630 --> 0:43:49.430 because Imminency requires that. And and so because of that, uh, it's, 0:43:49.430 --> 0:43:53.950 it's important that that we recognize that so often we think, oh, oh, 0:43:54.390 --> 0:43:57.830 these things have to happen first. And no, nothing has 0:43:57.830 --> 0:44:00.140 to happen. Although I have to say that the rebirth 0:44:00.140 --> 0:44:01.779 of the State of Israel. So many of the end 0:44:01.780 --> 0:44:04.979 time events revolve around what's going on in Israel. That 0:44:04.980 --> 0:44:10.940 tells me we're closer. However, I think that the the 0:44:10.940 --> 0:44:17.220 idea is that the we can be snatched at any moment. Uh, 0:44:17.219 --> 0:44:18.140 did you want to say anything? 0:44:18.180 --> 0:44:18.980 I was just going to say. 0:44:18.980 --> 0:44:21.380 I do think that God would have us all expect 0:44:21.380 --> 0:44:24.420 his return. I absolutely believe in the imminence. The doctrine 0:44:24.420 --> 0:44:26.100 of the imminence. I think it could happen at any time. 0:44:26.100 --> 0:44:31.180 Nothing has to happen in history or archaeology or politics 0:44:31.180 --> 0:44:34.380 to have Christ take his church home. But I think 0:44:34.380 --> 0:44:36.739 all of these things, like in every generation, we should 0:44:36.739 --> 0:44:39.020 be expecting it. If we're not supposed to be surprised 0:44:39.020 --> 0:44:41.060 at his coming. The only way to not be surprised 0:44:41.060 --> 0:44:43.500 is something that's not announced is to always expect it. 0:44:43.620 --> 0:44:45.420 And so I even think some of the things in, 0:44:45.420 --> 0:44:49.100 in the news, uh, sometimes are just little reminders and 0:44:49.100 --> 0:44:51.420 nudges from God's Spirit to always be ready. 0:44:51.460 --> 0:44:51.980 Yeah. 0:44:52.340 --> 0:44:53.779 We always have to be ready. And I would even 0:44:53.780 --> 0:44:57.180 go further. Uh, a lot of the stuff you hear. Oh, 0:44:57.219 --> 0:45:02.259 they're rebuilding the temple. No they're not. Uh, the red heifer. 0:45:02.300 --> 0:45:05.660 The red heifer is completely misunderstood. Judaism said there has 0:45:05.660 --> 0:45:08.940 to be a red heifer without even one white hair. 0:45:08.940 --> 0:45:12.339 That's not what the Bible requires. So there's a lot 0:45:12.380 --> 0:45:13.980 of things. And every time there's a war in the 0:45:13.980 --> 0:45:17.740 Middle East, people say, ah, this is it. Well, truth 0:45:17.739 --> 0:45:19.700 to tell, there have been a lot of wars in 0:45:19.700 --> 0:45:25.300 the Middle East. Uh, when someone called Open Line during 0:45:25.300 --> 0:45:28.780 the pandemic and said, I heard that the vaccine, the, uh, 0:45:29.420 --> 0:45:34.180 the required vaccine is that that's the mark of the beast. 0:45:34.380 --> 0:45:36.700 And I said he said, I heard a rumor about that. 0:45:36.700 --> 0:45:40.100 I said, did you start that rumor? So, uh, the 0:45:40.380 --> 0:45:42.980 the point is, there's always going to be something happening 0:45:42.980 --> 0:45:45.620 during the days of World War Two, it was Hitler 0:45:45.620 --> 0:45:50.140 and Mussolini, uh, during the time of the Reformation. Martin 0:45:50.140 --> 0:45:52.340 Luther said it was the Pope who was the Antichrist 0:45:52.340 --> 0:45:55.900 that was being revealed. And so there's always something happening 0:45:55.900 --> 0:45:58.850 in history. And I think you're right, Mike. It's just 0:45:58.850 --> 0:46:00.810 to keep us on our toes. It could happen at 0:46:00.810 --> 0:46:02.090 any moment, don't you think? 0:46:02.130 --> 0:46:02.690 Absolutely. 0:46:02.730 --> 0:46:05.970 Yeah. And be ready. Be ready. Everybody be ready. Uh, well, 0:46:05.969 --> 0:46:07.250 thank you for joining me this hour. 0:46:07.290 --> 0:46:08.050 It's been fun. 0:46:08.090 --> 0:46:11.210 I really, really appreciate it. And that's the program for 0:46:11.250 --> 0:46:15.009 the for the week. Uh, thanks for listening. Everyone out there. Uh, 0:46:15.010 --> 0:46:19.009 especially thanks to those of you here who asked the questions. 0:46:19.010 --> 0:46:22.570 Really appreciate you doing that. And thanks, Tricia, for all 0:46:22.570 --> 0:46:27.009 you do. And, Chris, uh, to keep the program on target. 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