WEBVTT - The Treasure Principles – Part 1

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<v S1>Today on bold steps, Mark Joe begins a message about

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<v S1>the treasures of your heart.

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<v S2>So many of us are living our lives with our

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<v S2>treasures in the wrong place. We need to redefine what

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<v S2>our treasure is so that our heart can follow our treasures.

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<v S2>And many of us, our heart is in the wrong place.

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<v S2>And if your heart is in the wrong place, you're

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<v S2>living the wrong way for the wrong things, with the

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<v S2>wrong priorities, and ultimately wasting your life.

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<v S1>Welcome to Bold Steps with pastor Mark Jobe, president of

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<v S1>Moody Bible Institute and senior pastor of New Life Community

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<v S1>Church in Chicago. I'm Wayne Shepherd and Mark. I like

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<v S1>this illustration of a backpack when it comes to what

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<v S1>we're carrying around in life. Today, you're going to challenge

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<v S1>us to open up that life pack and see if

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<v S1>what we're lugging around is really worth it, or if

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<v S1>there are things in there that God would like us

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<v S1>to replace. Huh?

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<v S3>Yeah, And I tell an illustration at the beginning of

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<v S3>this message of my little grandson, my firstborn grandson. His

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<v S3>name is Finn, and he he doesn't anymore. But when

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<v S3>he was young, he had a little backpack and everything

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<v S3>special to him. Little rocks and little figurines he'd put.

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<v S3>And he did not want to take that backpack off

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<v S3>when he got in his car seat. I think he

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<v S3>wanted to keep it on when he took a back

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<v S3>a bath, because it was his little treasure trove. Love it.

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<v S3>And you may not have a backpack, a physical one,

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<v S3>but you do have treasures and our heart is close

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<v S3>to our treasure. And that's really the point here where

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<v S3>your treasure is, there will your heart be also. That's

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<v S3>what it tells us in Matthew chapter six. So we're

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<v S3>going to unpack that and see what God says to

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<v S3>us today.

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<v S1>All right. Let's get into this message. The Treasure Principles

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<v S1>on Bold steps with Mark job.

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<v S2>A few years ago, I entered into a whole new

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<v S2>phase of life. Oh, I would highly suggest it. I

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<v S2>became a grandfather. You know, I realized I'm the typical

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<v S2>grandfather now. I've become that typical grandfather. When someone is

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<v S2>talking and they say, do you have grandkids? I say, oh, yeah,

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<v S2>you want to see pictures? Uh, you know, it's just

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<v S2>I don't know. And of course, you show them the

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<v S2>pictures and they're like, oh, they're cute. What are they

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<v S2>going to say? You're the grandfather. They have to say

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<v S2>they're cute, right? And they call me Papa. Except for

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<v S2>Josiah's little son, Saint. For some reason, he's gone to

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<v S2>calling me Papa. So that's my new name, Papa. But

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<v S2>my oldest grandson. I noticed this about a year ago.

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<v S2>And his mother, my daughter told me he has this

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<v S2>unique habit of carrying a backpack around with him wherever

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<v S2>he goes. Wherever he goes, he has this little backpack. Well,

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<v S2>I should say little. It seems like it's almost as

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<v S2>big as he is, but he carries it around with

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<v S2>him and he doesn't want to take it off. He

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<v S2>guards it. He. When they want to put him in

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<v S2>his car seat, they got to struggle with him because

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<v S2>he doesn't want to take it off. He's always aware

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<v S2>of where where it's at. And I'm like, hey, Finn,

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<v S2>why is it what's in that backpack? And he'll say, okay, Papa,

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<v S2>I'll show you. And so he has an assortment of

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<v S2>little things he's picked up, from rocks to shiny things to,

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<v S2>I don't know what else in there, just little random

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<v S2>pieces that he thinks are valuable. And so he puts

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<v S2>it in his backpack and he carries it around. Now

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<v S2>he he really treasures that he really holds to it.

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<v S2>I'm convinced that when he's 30 years old. And I

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<v S2>were to take that backpack and show that little colorful

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<v S2>backpack to him. He would look at it and say,

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<v S2>what is this junk? Because you see, as we grow,

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<v S2>as we mature that which we value, at one stage,

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<v S2>we may not value in our maturity. I'm talking to you,

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<v S2>some of you here today. I believe that some of

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<v S2>us are still in a immature stage in our spiritual

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<v S2>walk in terms of what we treasure and what we value.

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<v S2>And today, I want to talk to you about the

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<v S2>words of Jesus, specifically about where is our treasure? Where

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<v S2>is our heart? What do you value? And I'm convinced

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<v S2>that some of you, a year from now, may look

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<v S2>at your proverbial backpack that you have today and look

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<v S2>at it and say, what was I thinking? That was

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<v S2>just junk. I've exchanged it for stuff that's much, much

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<v S2>more valuable. So I want you to take your Bibles,

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<v S2>and I want you to turn to Matthew chapter six.

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<v S2>Matthew chapter six. We're going to be looking at verses

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<v S2>19 through 24 of Matthew chapter six. This is in

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<v S2>the context of the sermon on the Mount. Jesus message

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<v S2>his most iconic, powerful, legendary message. We call it the

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<v S2>sermon on the Mount, where Jesus is explaining to his disciples,

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<v S2>really the culture of the kingdom. And at the beginning

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<v S2>of this passage, his disciples say, we want to learn

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<v S2>how to pray like your disciples pray. And Jesus teaches

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<v S2>them a prayer that many of us. If you grew

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<v S2>up in religious, Christian religious circles, you've probably repeated many times.

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<v S2>We call it the Our Father. And it starts out

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<v S2>by saying, Our Father who art in heaven, Then hallowed

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<v S2>be your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done.

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<v S2>On earth as it is in heaven. Jesus taught him

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<v S2>this prayer, but then he goes on and he explains

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<v S2>to them this powerful principle about treasures and heart. And

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<v S2>I'm going to read to you beginning in verse 19,

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<v S2>it says, do not. This is Jesus speaking. Do not

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<v S2>lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and

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<v S2>rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But

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<v S2>lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth

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<v S2>nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in

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<v S2>and steal. Listen. Here it goes. For where your treasure is,

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<v S2>there your heart will be also. Let me repeat that

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<v S2>last phrase. For where your treasure is, there your heart

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<v S2>will be also. I want to introduce you to three

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<v S2>treasure principles that I see in this passage. Number one,

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<v S2>you can write this down. Treasure. Principle number one. Your

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<v S2>heart will always be close to where your treasure is at.

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<v S2>Show me what you value and that's where your heart

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<v S2>is at. Show me what's important to you. And your

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<v S2>heart is going to be close. Your affection, your emotions,

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<v S2>your interest will lie very close to where your treasure

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<v S2>is at. If I want to know what's important to someone,

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<v S2>it's not always what they say with their lips, but

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<v S2>it's what they talk about. Think about what they get

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<v S2>emotional about. What that Indicates where their heart is at.

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<v S2>And Jesus was saying this. In essence, what Jesus was

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<v S2>telling us is that most of us here on earth,

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<v S2>we tend to make our make our treasure things that

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<v S2>we can physically touch and see. And Jesus is saying,

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<v S2>many of you are putting your treasure in the wrong place,

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<v S2>because your treasure needs to be placed in something that

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<v S2>is not just temporary, but eternal. In fact, he describes, um,

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<v S2>what people put their treasure in. He says, do not

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<v S2>lay up your treasure. Don't make your treasure that that

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<v S2>which moths and rust destroy. And thieves break in. Back

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<v S2>in the days of Jesus, the wealthy people. Their garments,

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<v S2>their robes were one of their treasures. And he said,

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<v S2>moths can eat that. I don't know, I remember going

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<v S2>to my grandmother's house and opening her closet and I said, grandma,

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<v S2>what's that smell? And she said, it's mothballs. Anybody grow

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<v S2>up smelling mothballs? I don't know where all the moths

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<v S2>has gone, but I don't. I don't think moths are

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<v S2>a thing anymore. If I asked my kids, do you

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<v S2>know what a moth is? They probably say no. But

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<v S2>I guess back in the day, moths would get into

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<v S2>closets and they would eat your clothes and you would

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<v S2>have holes in them, I don't know. The moths disappeared.

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<v S2>We don't do that anymore. I don't know. But basically,

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<v S2>moths eat clothes. And so back in the day, if

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<v S2>moths got in your clothes, they would destroy your clothes.

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<v S2>A lot of the Jewish people in the day are

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<v S2>back in the days of Jesus. They. They didn't have, uh,

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<v S2>bank accounts or cryptocurrency. They had, uh, silver and gold

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<v S2>and jewelry, and that's what they valued. And Jesus says

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<v S2>that kind of treasure rusts with time. If it gets

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<v S2>wet and moist and not in the right conditions, it'll rust.

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<v S2>And he also says, you know, there is the threat

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<v S2>of someone stealing what you have so you can what

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<v S2>you have could be stolen. That that's all temporary treasures.

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<v S2>And Jesus is saying, I'm challenging you to make sure

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<v S2>that you lay treasures in a place where moth or

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<v S2>rust or thieves cannot touch. In other words, I want

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<v S2>you to start thinking more eternal than temporal. Do you

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<v S2>realize that most of us here, we probably don't put

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<v S2>a lot of thought into what happens after we die?

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<v S2>In fact, some people think, well, pastor, that's morbid. No,

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<v S2>it's only morbid if you are obsessed with the death part,

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<v S2>but don't understand what happens after we die. I was

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<v S2>interested in discovering what most people think about life after

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<v S2>death here in America. And, uh, Pew Foundation did some

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<v S2>research not too long ago about life after death. And

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<v S2>here's what they discovered that 75% of adults believe in

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<v S2>some kind of heaven. They believe that there is some

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<v S2>sort of Paradise after we die. Some place of no suffering,

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<v S2>some place of no tears, no pain, some utopia of

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<v S2>some sort. It may not be a biblically defined heaven,

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<v S2>but they believe in that 75% of people. Interestingly enough,

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<v S2>that 37% of people that are not religiously affiliated also

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<v S2>believe in heaven. 17% of adults in America do not

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<v S2>believe in any life after death. In other words, they

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<v S2>believe that once you die, it's over. You're like an animal.

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<v S2>You're done buried. Life is over. The only existence that

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<v S2>you have is the years that you have on earth.

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<v S2>And you say, well, pastor, how many years do we

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<v S2>have on earth? Well, the average American lives to be about.

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<v S2>The average American male is 73 lives to be 73

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<v S2>years old. The average American woman lives to be 79.

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<v S2>Come on, let's hear it. For the women, they live longer.

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<v S2>I'm not sure what that tells us, but. Nonetheless, let

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<v S2>me say this. The great majority of us, I believe

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<v S2>we live primarily conscious of what we can touch and feel,

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<v S2>the here and the now. And what Jesus is saying

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<v S2>is that you need to live with a with a

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<v S2>bigger mindset.

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<v S1>This is bold steps with Mark job. And before we

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<v S1>continue examining what we truly treasure, I want to make

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<v S1>sure you know that you can revisit any of these

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<v S1>It's a great way to continue learning and growing in

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<v S1>return to Mark's message about evaluating what treasures were investing in,

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<v S1>both here and in eternity.

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<v S2>The Bible talks in first Thessalonians that we are body, soul,

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<v S2>and spirit. Some people call it the trichotomy of man.

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<v S2>Your body is that which you you know. it's the

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<v S2>physical part of you. It sounds like at 73, we

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<v S2>start to wear out. How many of you are already

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<v S2>feeling the wearing out? Boy, I don't know. Some of you.

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<v S2>Just to get up in the morning, there's grunts and

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<v S2>groans and, ah, you know, sounds like you just run

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<v S2>a marathon. You're just getting out of bed. Um, because

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<v S2>your body is not meant to last forever. Your body

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<v S2>has an expiration date. And the moment that your body dies,

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<v S2>your heart stops beating. Your brainwaves stop functioning. Your body

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<v S2>is done. It goes to the grave, but your soul

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<v S2>and your spirit do not have an expiration date. In fact,

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<v S2>your soul. The Bible talks about the soul of man

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<v S2>and woman and your soul. Is that unique part of

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<v S2>you that, uh non-tangible invisible part of you that we

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<v S2>that makes up who you are? It's your personality. It's

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<v S2>your mind, your intellect, your volition. It's who makes you. You.

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<v S2>The Bible says that that does not have an expiration

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<v S2>date when you die. Listen to me. When you die,

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<v S2>when your body dies, your soul continues to exist. That's

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<v S2>not only taught in the Bible, but you will find

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<v S2>even a lot of other scientific, um, studies that have

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<v S2>indicated that when people die, their heart stops, yet they

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<v S2>have this consciousness of seeing their body still on the

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<v S2>bed there. And they have these experiences that scientists and

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<v S2>doctors can't explain because there's an awareness, a consciousness, even

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<v S2>after their body has died, of what was happening in

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<v S2>the room. Because your body, your soul, it doesn't pass

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<v S2>away when your body passes away. But then you also

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<v S2>have a spirit. Every person is born with a spirit.

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<v S2>You are a spirit being. Uh, when you are born,

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<v S2>the spirit part of you is the part that interacts

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<v S2>with the spiritual world. So you have a body, you

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<v S2>have a soul, and you have a spirit. Now don't

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<v S2>confuse that with the Holy Spirit because you are a

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<v S2>spiritual being. But the Holy Spirit, which is a third

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<v S2>person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit. When you become

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<v S2>a believer, he quickens or makes your spirit alive, and

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<v S2>suddenly you are conscious of the spiritual world. God speaks

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<v S2>to you in powerful ways. The Word of God comes

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<v S2>to life. You're convicted. You're led, you're prompted. You're helped.

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<v S2>You're empowered through the Holy Spirit. Amen. So body, soul,

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<v S2>and spirit, your body passes away. And what Jesus is

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<v S2>saying to us, listen to me. This is important. What

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<v S2>Jesus is saying to us is most of us live

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<v S2>valuing a very temporary treasure when our treasure needs to

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<v S2>be more eternal. And what Jesus is saying is that

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<v S2>most of us, our heart is fixed on the here

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<v S2>and the now. um, he tells us where your treasure is.

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<v S2>There your heart will be also. Listen to me. Your

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<v S2>heart follows your treasure. So look for what you value

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<v S2>the most. And you will find where your heart is at.

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<v S2>And when you find where your heart is at. You

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<v S2>will also find the greatest influence on your life. Many

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<v S2>of us get deluded into thinking that what other people value,

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<v S2>the material world that we live in, that that is

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<v S2>the most important thing, and our heart is close to that.

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<v S2>And we live very shallow, superficial lives because our values

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<v S2>are placed on things that are temporary. Can I tell

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<v S2>you something? I mean, that scratch that you got in

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<v S2>that newer car that you have that almost sent you

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<v S2>to therapy. You just couldn't get over talking about it

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<v S2>for weeks on a time, and you were angry and

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<v S2>upset about it. Can I tell you something? When you

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<v S2>are on your deathbed, you are not going to have

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<v S2>one thought about that scratch on your car. Can I

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<v S2>tell you something else? When you're on the other side

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<v S2>of life, that is going to seem like some of

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<v S2>the little items in Finn's backpack. You're going to look

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<v S2>and say, that was so dumb. Why did I care

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<v S2>so much about that? And so what Jesus is reminding

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<v S2>us of is he's telling us, listen, so many of

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<v S2>us are living our lives with our treasures in the

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<v S2>wrong place. We need to redefine what our treasure is

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<v S2>so that our heart can follow our treasures. And many

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<v S2>of us, our heart is in the wrong place. And

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<v S2>if your heart is in the wrong place, you're living

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<v S2>the wrong way for the wrong things, with the wrong priorities,

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<v S2>and ultimately wasting your life. Number two, not only your

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<v S2>heart will always be close to where your treasure is at.

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<v S2>But secondly, the second treasure principle is this the way

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<v S2>the lens through which you view life will determine how

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<v S2>you live life. Notice what Jesus tells us in verse 22.

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<v S2>It's in the context of our priorities, our treasures, our heart.

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<v S2>He says this the eye is the lamp of the body.

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<v S2>So if your eye is healthy, your whole body will

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<v S2>be full of light. But if your eye is bad,

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<v S2>your whole body will be full of darkness. If then

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<v S2>the light in you is darkness, how great is that darkness?

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<v S2>He uses a physical illustration to represent a spiritual truth.

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<v S2>He says if you're blind and can't see, then your

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<v S2>body is full of darkness. Through your eyes you see light.

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<v S2>And when you see light, You know where you're going.

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<v S2>Your body's full of light. You have direction. You have purpose.

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<v S2>But if your eyes are not open, then your entire

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<v S2>being will be full of darkness. What is Jesus saying?

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<v S2>I believe that Jesus is talking about how we see

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<v S2>the world and clarity of vision. Clarity of vision. Many

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<v S2>people don't see clearly the purpose and the priorities in

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<v S2>their life. And when you don't see clearly the purpose

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<v S2>and priorities of your life, you start to live the

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<v S2>wrong way. You will always make mistakes and wrong turns

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<v S2>if you cannot see clearly where you're going spiritually in life. Listen,

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<v S2>some of you right now have made a virtual mess

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<v S2>of your life your marriage, your family, your relationships, your priorities,

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<v S2>your finances, your emotions, your mind. Why? You've made a

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<v S2>mess because there's been a lack of clarity. You have

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<v S2>not seen things clearly, spiritually speaking, in your life. And

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<v S2>when there's a lack of clarity, you make a lot

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<v S2>of mistakes. Recently, I was driving down I-55, and I

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<v S2>don't know if anybody else got caught up in this,

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<v S2>but as I was driving, they had predicted a storm.

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<v S2>The sky got dark, the clouds rolled in, and then suddenly,

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<v S2>at first very lightly, but then I got pelted with

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<v S2>huge hailstones. Was anybody else in that? The point was,

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<v S2>I couldn't see clearly because of the, uh, because of

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<v S2>the hail, because of the darkness that was there. When

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<v S2>you can't see clearly, you end up in accidents. And

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<v S2>there are multiple accidents that happened because of lack of clarity. Listen,

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<v S2>what second Corinthians chapter four, verse 18 says, so we

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<v S2>fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on

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<v S2>what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but

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<v S2>what is unseen is eternal.

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<v S1>You're listening to Bold Steps with Mark Jobe and today's message,

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<v S1>titled The Treasure Principles, is just getting started, so be

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<v S1>sure to join us tomorrow when we continue this fundamental lesson.

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<v S1>And of course, if you ever missed one of these messages,

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<v S1>be sure to catch up online by going to Bold steps.org. Mark,

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<v S1>we are pleased to have doctor Heather Holloman with us

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<v S1>briefly on the program here today to talk about her book,

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<v S1>The Six Conversations. This is a very timely book, isn't it?

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<v S3>I think it's very timely. You know, it seems like

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<v S3>a lot of the conversations that should be happening are

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<v S3>more shouting at each other or angry conversations or stereotyping people.

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<v S3>And so it seems more and more difficult to have

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<v S3>conversations with people that maybe have other ideologies.

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<v S1>So, Heather, help us out here. How can how can

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<v S1>you advise us?

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<v S4>Well, I learned from the research what it means to

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<v S4>believe the best about people. And it's profoundly biblical right

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<v S4>out of Romans 12 and Philippians two. What would life

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<v S4>look like if you began to honor one another, to

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<v S4>value others above yourself, and to bless those who persecute

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<v S4>you and love your enemies? It's a countercultural way to live.

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<v S4>And when you believe the best about people, you're seeking

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<v S4>to learn from them. So my neighbors that believe different

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<v S4>things politically or socially, instead of arguing with them, I say,

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<v S4>I can tell you really care so passionately about this issue.

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<v S4>I'd love to hear the story of when you first

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<v S4>started believing these things. Now we're having a warm connection,

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<v S4>and I can share things that I'm learning from the

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<v S4>Bible or anything important about my life.

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<v S1>So your goal here is to help us get deeply

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<v S1>into other people's lives and share things with them spiritually.

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<v S4>Yes. And you can have those warm connections that really

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<v S4>were designed for the research is clear. People are suffering

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<v S4>because of loneliness and disconnection. So this book is really

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<v S4>an intervention in a health crisis that we're also seeing

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<v S4>across the nation.

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<v S2>I love it. One of the greatest challenges that we

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<v S2>live is isolation, lack of connection. And so whether this

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<v S2>is at church with other believers, or whether this is

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<v S2>with a neighbor that maybe does not share your faith

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<v S2>or politically is at odds with you. This is a

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<v S2>great book. The Six Conversations by doctor Heather Holloman. Look

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<v S2>forward to getting this book into so many people's hands.

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<v S1>Heather, thanks for your partnership.

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<v S4>Thank you.

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