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S1: Now let's get to today's episode.

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S2: Coming to you live from the call of Hope studio.

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S2: This is Carl and crew.

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S3: Can you believe this guy?

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S1: It's hard to believe. I mean, every year around this time,

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S3: I wish I could. Yeah, it's coming, I mean, it's coming.

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S4: You know what I mean?

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S1: And I love that you're telling us that you can't

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S8: reaching younger people, is going to respond based on duty

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S8: and responsibility. We should teach on duty. We should teach

450
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S8: on responsibility. But also the younger generations disproportionately respond to joy.

451
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S8: If we're talking about next generations, they just did a

452
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S8: study on Gen Alpha, and they literally disproportionately respond to

453
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S8: the feeling of joy because their dopamine has been burnt

454
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S8: through modern technology when they get in an in real

455
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S8: life experience. If you can surf to them the stories

456
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S8: of life change and transformation. They, because they are cause based,

457
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S8: will respond disproportionately to that.

458
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S3: This is fascinating. Vance Roush, our guest right now, pastor

459
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S3: and founder CEO of something called overflow. We'll get into

460
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S3: that in just a moment. And this is if you're

461
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S3: a pastor or ministry leader. Keep stay on the alert.

462
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S3: We got something for you coming up here. Okay, now,

463
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S3: let me tell you, I'm a boomer. I'm a boomer.

464
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S3: But I'm not sure that I'm. I'm a sucker for

465
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S3: a story, to be honest with you. Vance, I'm wondering

466
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S3: if maybe we've missed the. Missed the broad side of

467
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S3: the barn here, my man. Speak to the need for

468
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S3: vision through story for all generations.

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S8: Absolutely. I mean, the reality is, as churches continue to age,

470
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S8: the historical churches, these great churches that have been in

471
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S8: the community for decades, what can happen sometimes is the

472
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S8: way they started is not the way they're currently going.

473
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S8: So every great organization, especially churches, start with a great vision.

474
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S8: And that great vision produces all this start up energy.

475
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S8: And you're focused on the future. You're focused on innovation.

476
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S8: You're focused on continuing to take territory and make progress

477
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S8: and continue to serve the least of these. I think

478
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S8: sometimes when you go for a while, what could happen,

479
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S8: especially for the older generations that are running the organizations,

480
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S8: is we forget that, right? And all of a sudden,

481
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S8: our giving campaigns and year end capital campaigns are about

482
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S8: keeping the lights on. The reality is, whether you're a

483
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S8: boomer or you're Gen Z, people are not compelled to

484
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S8: give catalytically to keep the lights on, to make sure

485
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S8: that the air condition is continuing to work. Uh, you know,

486
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S8: I pray that there's continually people getting in conviction of

487
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S8: the tithe to make sure that there is enough provision

488
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S8: in the house to do those type of things. But really,

489
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S8: if you're looking for catalytic generosity to be reignited in

490
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S8: the church or be ignited in the church for the

491
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S8: first time, it's going to be through vision. And that

492
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S8: vision is most effectively communicated through story. Right. You know,

493
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S8: it's awesome to give stats, but the stats have to

494
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S8: represent a story. It's awesome to give numbers and make

495
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S8: sure that those are nice and tidy. But those numbers

496
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S8: need to represent a name. And so that's just a reminder.

497
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S8: Many people might know that, but just a reminder and

498
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S8: a refresher that what people are moved by is story

499
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S8: and making sure we keep the main thing. The main thing.

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S8: Life transformation.

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S3: Yeah, I love this. Vince Rausch, our guest right now.

502
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S3: I love this because as a lead pastor of a

503
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S3: couple of campuses here in Chicagoland, I've always been a

504
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S3: big story guy. But it's easy to get into this default.

505
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S3: You know, this is our budget. This is what we're

506
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S3: trying to hit. And that gets into the doldrums of

507
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S3: the yeah, let's keep the lights on and everything cooking here.

508
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S3: Tell us about the average young person. You don't see

509
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S3: them as opposed to giving or are they. Or is

510
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S3: it more what catalyzes them to do it? Is there

511
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S3: a gap between Boomers and Gen Z, let's say between

512
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S3: just their their desire, just pure desire? Or is is

513
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S3: it just the means that we're communicating to them?

514
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S8: It's both communication and the way that we facilitate it.

515
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S8: I actually believe that millennials and Gen Z will go

516
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S8: down as the most generous generation that the world has

517
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S8: ever seen.

518
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S6: Really?

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S8: Okay. Just because based on their current income levels, they

520
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S8: don't have the income levels of boomers yet. Based on

521
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S8: their current income levels, proportionately, they are actually giving more

522
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S8: than any other generation previous to them. Right. And really,

523
00:27:16,340 --> 00:27:20,179
S8: it's a power law towards the organizations that are compelling

524
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S8: them through causes and through story. I will say this

525
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S8: the biggest chasm between boomers and millennials and Gen Z

526
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S8: right now is they way they prefer to give. For

527
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S8: millennials and Gen Z that grew up in a world,

528
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S8: even still today, where they can literally tap to pay

529
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S8: for their coffee or tap to pay for their groceries.

530
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S8: I'm telling you, it needs to be that easy for

531
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S8: when they are compelled to give towards their church or

532
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S8: their charitable organization. And so I believe that people are

533
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S8: wired to give. I believe that they're designed to give.

534
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S8: I believe that you don't have to twist people's arm

535
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S8: to be generous, but the moment is gone if it's

536
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S8: hard to complete that intent.

537
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S3: I got two thoughts here. And then I want to

538
00:28:06,420 --> 00:28:08,700
S3: get into this thing called overflow, because there's a lot

539
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S3: of ministry leaders. There's a lot of not for profit leaders.

540
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S3: There's a lot of lead pastors, Administrative pastors listening all

541
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S3: across the nation in the world right now. I'm going

542
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S3: to get to that. Here's my thought. I think parents

543
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S3: right now that are listening and say, you're 40 years

544
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S3: old or 35 and you got maybe there's 35 year

545
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S3: olds that have teenagers that are or at least getting

546
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S3: into that age. It seems to me, rather than telling them, well,

547
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S3: let's give the firstfruits. Maybe we give stories of how

548
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S3: we've seen God's hand move in our life as a

549
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S3: result of giving. That might be the catalyzing parenting move.

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S3: What do you say, Vance?

551
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S8: Absolutely right. Even Paul says that you should not give

552
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S8: by compulsion. That it should be cheerful. It should be joyful.

553
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S8: And so Paul actually prophesied what Gen Alpha would be

554
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S8: disproportionately responding to is that feeling of joy in saying

555
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S8: that I do believe in biblical principle. I do believe

556
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S8: we should teach people Malachi 310 to bring the tithes.

557
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S8: I do believe in the principle of bringing your first 10%

558
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S8: to the storehouse, And this is so cool. What Valkyrie

559
00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:17,420
S8: ten says is, when you do that, the Lord of

560
00:29:17,420 --> 00:29:22,260
S8: heaven will open up a window of blessing, right? That

561
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S8: you would not have room to contain it. That God's

562
00:29:25,460 --> 00:29:29,580
S8: window of blessing is often much bigger than the room

563
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S8: that we make for him. I was actually, you know,

564
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S8: feeding my son the other day. He's five years old,

565
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S8: but he's like a soccer phenom and he eats a ton. Okay.

566
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S8: And he was, you know, just excited because he loves salmon.

567
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S8: We're Asian. And so I put soy sauce on that

568
00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:48,180
S8: thing and it's amazing. He loves it. And as I'm

569
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S8: about to serve him the salmon he goes, dad, dad, dad,

570
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S8: can I have more salmon? And I'm like, son, there

571
00:29:54,500 --> 00:29:58,660
S8: is more salmon in the oven, but your plate is full.

572
00:29:58,980 --> 00:30:01,540
S8: Show me that you can clear your plate. Show me

573
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S8: that you can eat your salmon and I will get

574
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S8: you more salmon. Show me you're an eater and I'll

575
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S8: show you more salmon. I feel like God in heaven

576
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S8: is saying sometimes. Show me your a sewer. Show me

577
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S8: your a giver and I will show you more supply.

578
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S8: Because I am your supplier.

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S6: Oh.

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S3: You just gave us a story. They got everyone going. Okay,

581
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S3: really quick shift of gears here. Overflow. You're the founder

582
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S3: and CEO of this incredible app that is barnstorming the

583
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S3: nation right now. For every person that is a decision maker,

584
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S3: I'm talking elder pastor, you've got a not for profit.

585
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S3: What's your attempt with overflow here?

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S8: Vince Rausch we started overflow over five years ago. Uh,

587
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S8: it was from my experience in technology. I started my

588
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S8: career at Google while also serving as a lay executive

589
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S8: pastor at my church at the time. And what I

590
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S8: realized is that technology wasn't catching up to our conversation here,

591
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S8: the way that the next generations wanted to give. And

592
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S8: so I decided to solve that by building a new

593
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S8: giving platform called overflow. And so it's been really, really cool.

594
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S8: We've been building for over five years. We served nearly

595
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S8: 1000 churches and nonprofits, and really we serve them through

596
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S8: online giving technology so people can give, you know, traditionally online.

597
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S8: But our claim to fame is we've unlocked the most

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S8: ways to give. So you can not just give through

599
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S8: debit and credit, but also you can give through stock

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S8: and crypto. And our most recent innovation is we installed

601
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S8: these NFC tap disks that can be branded to your

602
00:31:38,830 --> 00:31:41,950
S8: church on the back of seats or the back of pews.

603
00:31:42,510 --> 00:31:46,430
S8: And as people are at church, they can literally tap

604
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S8: to give within the giving moment of the church. And

605
00:31:49,390 --> 00:31:51,630
S8: it takes literally five seconds. They don't have to create

606
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S8: an account. Their digital wallet comes up Apple Pay, Google Pay,

607
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:58,270
S8: and they can give their ties, or they can give

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S8: towards a capital campaign or a vision campaign, literally in

609
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S8: five seconds. I love it this year, Carl and Ali,

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S8: we are on track to facilitate over $1 billion worth

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S8: of generosity in Jesus name.

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S3: Vance, you are killing it. And some of you are going,

613
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S3: oh man, are we are we making it? You know,

614
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S3: to are we appealing to lowest common denominator? No. When

615
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S3: checks came out they were saying the same thing about

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S3: check writers. So we got to catch up with what

617
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S3: is going on technologically. All right. We got a key

618
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S3: word for you. Boom crew. Light them up. It is overflow.

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S3: One word overflow. Text overflow to 805 five five 7898.

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S3: This is going to take you to an incredible website.

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S3: Text overflow one word to 800 555 7898 a new

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S3: way to help people become stewards of God's Kingdom. Resources

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S3: is here. Text overflow to 800 555 7898.

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S2: Standing on the rock each and every day. You're listening

625
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S2: to Carl and crew.

626
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,560
S1: It's true that the gospel changes everything. Sometimes, though, we

627
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S1: can feel this disconnect between, you know what we read,

628
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S1: what we hear, what we, and what we actually experience

629
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S1: in our day to day life. How can we allow

630
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S1: the gospel to touch every area? Our marriages, our family life,

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S1: our local church. Joining us right now, Larry McCall, he's

632
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S1: the founder and director of Walking Like Jesus Ministries. I'm

633
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S1: very intrigued. You're the the mission of your of your

634
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S1: ministry is based on just this helping Christians understand in

635
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S1: practical ways how the gospel shapes our most important relationships.

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S1: Explain to me how God gave you the vision for this.

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S9: You know, I think it really started in our marriage.

638
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,360
S9: Our marriage was struggling. We were married 50 years, but

639
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S9: about 20 years in, we kind of hit a low

640
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S9: point and the Lord had to show me that I

641
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,760
S9: was treating my wife just in reaction to how I

642
00:34:03,850 --> 00:34:06,970
S9: felt she was treating me, and he had to help

643
00:34:06,970 --> 00:34:09,529
S9: me see afresh that the way I was to treat

644
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S9: my dear wife was the way Christ treats me. To

645
00:34:13,330 --> 00:34:16,969
S9: go vertical and to see his love, his grace in

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S9: our lives. And then transfer that to my relationship with

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S9: my wife. So it started personally.

648
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S1: And what were some of the practical things that the

649
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S1: Lord showed you? I mean, obviously there's what we see

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S1: in Scripture, what you're called to be as a as

651
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S1: a man, as the head of the household. But how

652
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S1: did that break down in like, the practical changes you

653
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S1: knew you had to make?

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S9: Yeah, it was very practical, very applied. Ali. You know,

655
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S9: I think just I was thinking about this just recently.

656
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S9: You know, we often talk about the golden rule, treat

657
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S9: other people the way you want them to treat you.

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S9: But really, the gospel centered life is treat one another

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S9: the way Christ treats us. So, you know, why should

660
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S9: I forgive my wife? Why should my wife forgive me?

661
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S9: It's not because of our worthiness, but because of the

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S9: worthiness of Christ. So got real practical that forgiving one

663
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S9: another and loving one another and bearing with one another.

664
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S9: We're all based on how Christ treats us with forgiveness

665
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S9: and patience and love. So, uh, it's just very practical

666
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S9: each day in every situation, remembering how Christ treats us

667
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S9: and then transferring that to our spouse.

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S1: And let's extend that to some of the other key relationships.

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S1: Larry McCall, our guest right now, founder and director of

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S1: Walking Like Jesus Ministries. What about parenting and even grandparenting?

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S1: I know that's a special passion of yours.

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S9: It sure is, Ali. Yeah. With parenting, I think sometimes we, uh,

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S9: parents tend to want to have rules for their family,

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S9: and rules aren't necessarily bad, but they need to be

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S9: saturated and grace. They need to be marinated in the

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S9: gospel because we don't just want outward conformity. We want

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S9: heart transformation. We want our kids to see Christ as

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S9: as valuable, Christ as beautiful. Someone we want to know,

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S9: someone we want to please. And I think the more

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S9: parents lean into God's grace, the more parents lean into

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S9: God's gospel. It will transform their relationship with their kids,

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S9: whether they're little kids or teenagers or even adults. And Allie,

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S9: you're right. Grandparenting is a passion of ours, and we

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S9: have seven grandkids. The oldest just turned an adult last week.

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S9: He's 18 and the youngest is six. But when we

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S9: think about our roles grandparenting, it's more than just being

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S9: our grandchildren's cheerleaders. It's being called by God to tell

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S9: them the glorious story of God so that, as it

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S9: says in Psalm 78, so that they would set their

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S9: hope in God. So grandparents that understand that God's put

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S9: us on a mission to pass on the gospel. It

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S9: just gives us a new sense of divine purpose in

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S9: our grandparenting.

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S1: How have you seen this impact your own grandparenting?

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S9: Yeah, we are delighted that we get regular time with

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S9: all seven of our grandkids. Several of them just live

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S9: a mile from us, and just yesterday we spent a

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S9: couple hours with a ten year old granddaughter talking to

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S9: her about Christ and how he applies to her life.

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S9: That's glorious. And then we have some other grandkids for

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S9: grandkids that live in another state. But every week we

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S9: have a video call with them and we get about

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S9: a half hour or so with each of them individually.

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S9: And we talk about their lives and talk about Christ.

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S9: We talk about what they're learning in the Bible, and

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S9: it just gives us, as grandparents, a sense of mission

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S9: that goes even beyond our lifetime, that our grandkids will

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S9: one day look back and realize that part of their

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S9: desire for Christ, or passion for Christ, was gained even

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S9: in their relationship with us while they were growing up.

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S1: You know, walking like Jesus, that it's it sounds like

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S1: this worthy aim. And it is. It's the call on

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S1: the life of the Christ follower. Speak to the person

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S1: who feels stuck. Maybe they've been walking with the Lord,

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S1: but they don't really feel like they're making the kind

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S1: of forward progress that they'd like to be making in

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S1: relationships or otherwise.

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S9: I think that sometimes people get stuck because they keep

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S9: focusing on their own failures. They focus on I got

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S9: to try harder and so they try harder and that

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S9: doesn't work. And so they try harder again and that

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S9: doesn't work. And then they say, this isn't working and

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S9: they just give up. But I think when we look

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S9: at Christ and we saturate our minds, our hearts with

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S9: the story of his grace and encourages us, it reminds

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S9: us that he is the one that supplies both the

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S9: motivation and the means of living the Christian life, that

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S9: it's his grace that fuels us. And so I encourage

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S9: people that feel stuck, spend more time looking for Christ.

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S9: And when I have my devotions in the morning, I

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S9: always pray before I read Holy Spirit, show me Christ

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S9: today and wherever I am in the Bible. Uh, where

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S9: does it show me my need for Christ? Where does

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S9: it show me the value of Christ? And the Holy

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S9: Spirit wants to honor the second person of the Trinity,

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S9: Jesus Christ. And so he's glad to answer that prayer request.

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S1: You know, we've been looking this week here on Carl

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S1: and crew. Uh, what? The gospel. What the Bible says

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S1: about prosperity. You know, the prosperity gospel is we know

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S1: that it often gets abused and manipulated for personal gain.

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S1: But this particular day, we've been in Mark four and

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S1: talking about how when the gospel is applied, it's rewarded

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S1: with more. Uh, we see that in Mark four verse 24.

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S1: And he said to them, pay attention to what you

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S1: hear with the measure you use. It will be measured

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S1: to you, and still more will be added to you.

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S1: For to the one who has, who has more will

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S1: be given, and from the one who has not, even

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S1: what he has will be taken away. How do you

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S1: see this principle applied that that that when the gospel's applied,

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S1: it's rewarded with more? How do you see that reflected

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S1: in the ministry that you're doing specifically in relationships?

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S9: Yeah, I think the rewards go several directions. One is

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S9: I think that we as recipients of God's grace and

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S9: as the communicators of God's grace, we're benefited because as

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S9: we live in a Christ centered way, as we live

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S9: in a gospel saturated life, um, we value Christ more.

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S9: And so our hearts are encouraged, our lives are encouraged.

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S9: But then the people we're ministering to, whether it's showing

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S9: them love or patience or forgiveness, they're benefited because they're

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S9: reaping God's grace through us as we remind them of

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S9: who he is. And and I think, too, Allie, we

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S9: need to remember that the reputation of Christ benefits because

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S9: it's the watching world sees us living out the gospel.

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S9: It makes the gospel attractive. That's a term Paul uses

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S9: in Titus two. He told those new believers there on

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S9: the island of Crete to to live in a gospel

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S9: centered way, to make the gospel attractive so that the

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S9: watching world leans in and says, what makes you so different?

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S9: And we draw their attention not to us, but to

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S9: our Lord Jesus Christ. So the reputation of Christ benefits to.

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S1: Larry McCall, our guest right now, Walking Like Jesus ministries.

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S1: Before we let you go, I would love to hear

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S1: just your own personal testimony. Did you? When did you

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S1: come to faith? How did the Lord call you out

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S1: of darkness and into light?

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S9: He was so kind to me that I grew up

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S9: in a Christian home. We were financially poor and spiritually rich,

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S9: and I would much rather have it that way than

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S9: very true. I cannot remember my parents not talking to

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S9: me about the gospel. My dad was a coal truck driver.

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S9: My mom was a homemaker. But they talked to us

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S9: five kids about Christ regularly. They lived it out. And

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S9: so the Lord stirred my heart when I was just

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S9: maybe seven years old, that I wanted Christ. And he

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S9: changed my life, even at a young age, and put

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S9: me on a path that continues. Now. I'm in my

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S9: 70s and I'm still revel in his kindness to me,

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S9: to call me to himself while I was still a boy.

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S1: Wow. And you know, your your testimony of of coming

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S1: to genuine faith in Christ at a at a young age.

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S1: It's cool to hear here and on Carly. Can we

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S1: talk a lot about how sometimes the being raised in

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S1: a Christian home, raised around the things of God, if

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S1: we don't actually genuinely repent and turn from our sin

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S1: and come to Jesus for ourselves, it can lead to this, uh,

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S1: great hallucination or or delusion illusion of salvation, which are

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S1: lead host Karl talks a lot about, has a great

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S1: passion for really distinguishing between what is true biblical Christianity

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S1: versus cultural Christianity that can delude so many. Give us

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S1: your heart on that.

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S9: Yeah. I think it's so important that we are honest

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S9: with where we are with Christ. And, um, yeah, I

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S9: think a lot of people profess faith in Christ, but

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S9: they're not living it out. And I like to tell

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S9: people the life has to back up the lips. You know,

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S9: if you say, I'm a follower of Christ, well, first,

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S9: the base verse for our ministry walking like Jesus is

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S9: first John two five and six. It says those who

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S9: claim to be in him must walk as he walks,

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S9: and so are our lives a reflection of the words

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S9: of Christ. Our lives are a reflection of the life

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S9: of Christ, and if they're not, then it's quite possible,

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S9: maybe even probable, that we're deluding ourselves. And so, rather

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S9: than living in delusion to repent of that and turn

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S9: to Christ.

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S7: Yeah.

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S1: Good word, Larry McCall. If you want more walking like

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S1: Jesus Ministries, text walking to 800 555 7898. Walking to

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S1: 800 555 7898.

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S2: Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to

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S2: Carl and crew.

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S3: Have yourself a merry little Christmas. It's Carl and crew.

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S3: And speaking of Christmas, we're just going to banner ad

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S3: this a couple more times here, because tomorrow is a

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S3: big day here on the Moody campus. You might be saying, Carl,

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S3: I'm not on the Moody campus. I'm not near the

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S3: Moody campus. But wait, there's more. And it's coming to

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S3: you December 20th. Give us all the facts here, Ali.

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S1: Candlelight carols set up. Diana was just mentioning that the

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S1: campus is just beginning to transform. Christmas is upon us,

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S1: and we're celebrating in a special way. Candlelight carols is

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S1: a long standing tradition here at Moody Bible Institute. Centers

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S1: around this concert slash drama, lots of different musical styles.

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S1: But then also outside there's a Christmas market and food trucks.

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S1: So an opportunity to kind of make a whole experience

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S1: of it if you can get to downtown Chicago. So

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S1: if that's you, just text carols. Tickets are still available

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S1: for at least three of the four shows. Text carols

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S1: to 855 five 7898. Carols to 855 57898. And as mentioned,

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S1: we will be broadcasting Candlelight Carols, the replay of it

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S1: on the Moody Radio Network on December 20th. So if

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S1: you can't get here and you are far from Chicago,

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S1: you will be able to still at least hear the

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S1: beautiful music on December 20th.

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S3: Would it surprise you if I told you that I

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S3: used to love, love.

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S6: Love.

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S3: To go caroling?

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S6: Really? Yes. Actually, that does surprise me. When you were

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S6: a kid.

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S4: Or as an adult?

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S3: As a kid, a kid. I loved it, man.

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S6: I picture.

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S10: You going. Actually, I'm the opposite.

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S3: I think it was the get out in the cold

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S3: thing that I loved more than anything else.

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S6: Did you really.

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S1: Sing your heart out?

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S3: I sang my heart out.

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S1: Oh.

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S3: I sang my heart out.

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S6: What was your favorite song?

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S3: Oh, I don't know that it even had a favorite song. Um,

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S3: you know, we I can't not even one comes to

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S3: my mind right now. It was the whole experience. And,

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S3: you know, caroling in Alaska was a different kind of deal,

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S3: because it's not like you've got row houses here in

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S3: Chicago or anything like that. I mean, it's a good

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S3: distance from house to house. So after we would Carol

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S3: at one home, it's everybody pile back into the cars

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S3: and we're talking.

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S6: Wow.

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S3: Six, seven cars loaded to the gills with people.

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S4: That's kind of fun. It's like a parade showing up

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S4: at your house.

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S3: Yeah. We drive down to the next person's home, pile out, and. Oh, man,

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S3: it was just great to watch. You know, you just

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S3: start bellying away, and then somebody knocking on the door

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S3: to get their attention. And then, you know, even though

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S3: it was, it was generally cold. I mean, we'd go

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S3: caroling when it was below zero, we'd go caroling below zero.

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S3: Just bundle up and go get back in the car,

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S3: get warmed up. And then people invariably had these big

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S3: old thermoses with hot cocoa. And so we'd get out

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S3: of the car, get some hot cocoa, and then head

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S3: to another door.

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S6: That's nice. Oh, it was.

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S3: It was so much fun. I think what I love

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S3: most about caroling was making people's nights. I mean, there's

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S3: no one that was like an old curmudgeon or something

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S3: like this.

893
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:37,270
S6: Well that's good. It'd be just that.

894
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:40,950
S3: People were just going nuts. And we didn't just go

895
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:45,270
S3: to people in the church. We we ambush people that,

896
00:46:45,310 --> 00:46:47,270
S3: you know, out of the blue, man, it looked like

897
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:49,390
S3: there was lights on at home. Let's hit this one.

898
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:51,229
S6: You know, I wonder if.

899
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:54,150
S1: Caroling still happens because I, I mean, I think it's

900
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:56,790
S1: one of those things. Now you get a knock on

901
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:58,989
S1: your door from people that you don't know. I think

902
00:46:58,989 --> 00:47:01,430
S1: most people are probably not even going.

903
00:47:01,430 --> 00:47:01,910
S10: To answer.

904
00:47:01,950 --> 00:47:05,669
S1: Answer, but I'm curious to quick text poll. Um, do

905
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:08,350
S1: you still go caroling or does caroling still happen in

906
00:47:08,350 --> 00:47:09,190
S1: your neighborhood?

907
00:47:09,230 --> 00:47:09,910
S6: Good question.

908
00:47:09,950 --> 00:47:12,509
S1: During the holiday season, give us a yes if you

909
00:47:12,510 --> 00:47:15,190
S1: and where you live if it's still happening, because I

910
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:20,430
S1: would love to hear it. 800 555 7898 still caroling.

911
00:47:20,430 --> 00:47:24,350
S1: Is that still a thing? 800 555 7898.

912
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:27,390
S4: So for me, the answer would definitely be no.

913
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:27,989
S1: Nobody goes.

914
00:47:27,989 --> 00:47:28,350
S6: Caroling.

915
00:47:28,350 --> 00:47:31,590
S4: No, no, I mean, for me, I'm never going caroling again.

916
00:47:31,590 --> 00:47:33,870
S4: So when I was like 9 or 10.

917
00:47:34,430 --> 00:47:34,870
S6: I was.

918
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:35,190
S3: Going.

919
00:47:35,230 --> 00:47:36,270
S6: South. Oh yeah.

920
00:47:36,310 --> 00:47:38,990
S4: No, you'll see. When I was like 9 or 10,

921
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:41,880
S4: I went out caroling with, uh, you know, our church

922
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,400
S4: had a bunch of different groups. We went out to

923
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,400
S4: a bunch of different neighborhoods, and and the the group

924
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,400
S4: that I was with, we were going from house to

925
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,920
S4: house and people were listening, and it was great. It

926
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,120
S4: was fine. Everyone was happy. There was this one house

927
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,560
S4: that we went to, and this lady opened the door

928
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,680
S4: and as we're singing, her little dog is is out

929
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,000
S4: and barking the whole time that we're singing and we're

930
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,000
S4: ignoring it, we're singing, we're going on. And when we finish,

931
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,280
S4: the dog continues to bark. And it kind of jumped

932
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,880
S4: at me. And so I moved back a little bit scared,

933
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,200
S4: and she said, oh no, don't be scared. You know

934
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,680
S4: how you get him to stop? You take two fingers

935
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,040
S4: and you jab him in the neck. And she said,

936
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,200
S4: she said, come here. And she walked up and she

937
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,839
S4: grabbed my hand and she made me. She said, now

938
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,439
S4: take your two fingers. And she made me jab her

939
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:31,480
S4: talk in the neck. Jonathan and everybody in my caroling

940
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,359
S4: groups just watching, letting, letting her do it. And I said,

941
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,279
S4: I think I'm done with caroling after that.

942
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,439
S6: That is a little dramatic. I was ready.

943
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,200
S4: To be done. No more Christmas caroling for me.

944
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:43,000
S6: Wow.

945
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:49,120
S3: Yes, yes. Christmas caroling in Cleveland, Tennessee. Yes, in Spartansburg, Pennsylvania. Nice.

946
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:50,600
S3: Got a couple out there?

947
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:52,600
S1: Yeah, not a lot. I mean.

948
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:53,960
S3: Wakonda, Illinois. Yes.

949
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,200
S4: Doesn't happen nearly as much.

950
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,600
S3: Tennessee? Yes. Somebody said I wish. Okay. Yeah.

951
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,120
S6: Well, this is Tennessee.

952
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:03,480
S1: Connecticut?

953
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:04,760
S6: Okay.

954
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:09,320
S3: Yeah. I love this, guys. This is great. So maybe I'm.

955
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,600
S3: I'm just thinking here last minute. Do we do an

956
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,839
S3: organization of our church campuses to go do some caroling?

957
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,279
S3: For crying out loud, resurrect this thing.

958
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:20,839
S10: I know there's a small group from our church. When

959
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,719
S10: they do the caroling, they go to the homes that

960
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,919
S10: they know of, like people of the congregation. They can't

961
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,359
S10: get out so they know where they're going. So that's

962
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,479
S10: where they go. Caroling is familiar homes or the people

963
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,919
S10: of the congregation, or to the nursing home or residential homes.

964
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,680
S10: And that's how they go. They go caroling.

965
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:40,450
S3: Now the nursing home. residential home I'm talking. That would be.

966
00:49:40,450 --> 00:49:43,010
S6: Great. Yes. Great place to go, Karen. Yes.

967
00:49:43,489 --> 00:49:49,930
S3: So great. Hey, we're getting it here. Uh, we're getting it. Alliance, Ohio. Holland, Michigan.

968
00:49:49,969 --> 00:49:50,330
S6: Okay.

969
00:49:50,370 --> 00:49:52,410
S3: Yes, yes. Yeah.

970
00:49:52,450 --> 00:49:53,570
S6: Love that. I love it.

971
00:49:54,050 --> 00:49:57,210
S3: And you gotta have a good number of people because,

972
00:49:57,250 --> 00:49:57,730
S3: you know.

973
00:49:58,130 --> 00:50:00,530
S1: Otherwise it's knocking on the door and singing a solo

974
00:50:00,530 --> 00:50:04,890
S1: for somebody. Chestnuts roasting on.

975
00:50:04,890 --> 00:50:08,930
S6: An open fire. Could you imagine a solo caroler?

976
00:50:09,290 --> 00:50:09,810
S4: I would love.

977
00:50:09,810 --> 00:50:10,170
S6: To see it.

978
00:50:10,210 --> 00:50:13,009
S3: If you don't have a Mariah Carey type chops, you

979
00:50:13,010 --> 00:50:14,250
S3: better stay at home, man.

980
00:50:14,290 --> 00:50:14,650
S6: All of a.

981
00:50:14,650 --> 00:50:15,250
S1: Sudden, it goes.

982
00:50:15,250 --> 00:50:15,890
S6: From sweet.

983
00:50:15,890 --> 00:50:18,610
S1: And festive to really awkward and creepy.

984
00:50:18,850 --> 00:50:19,930
S6: Oh that's funny.

985
00:50:21,330 --> 00:50:25,370
S2: Walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to Carl

986
00:50:25,370 --> 00:50:25,970
S2: and crew.

987
00:50:26,010 --> 00:50:28,450
S3: Carl and crew. All right, I gotta tell you, little

988
00:50:28,489 --> 00:50:30,410
S3: blaze story B, the blaze.

989
00:50:30,450 --> 00:50:31,650
S6: I'm ready. Blaze.

990
00:50:31,690 --> 00:50:34,489
S3: Little blaze, tell about blaze here. Ali. He's new to

991
00:50:34,489 --> 00:50:35,050
S3: the show.

992
00:50:35,090 --> 00:50:36,610
S6: Yeah, he's new to the show.

993
00:50:37,130 --> 00:50:39,290
S1: It feels like he's a part of the crew. He is?

994
00:50:39,330 --> 00:50:40,930
S1: What now? A 12 week old?

995
00:50:41,170 --> 00:50:41,970
S3: Yeah. He's 11.

996
00:50:42,250 --> 00:50:46,450
S1: 11 week old puppy that Carl flew to Alaska and got.

997
00:50:46,489 --> 00:50:48,330
S1: He's a he's a husky, right?

998
00:50:48,450 --> 00:50:52,370
S3: He's a husky. Alaskan husky. Comes from Mitch Seavey championship line.

999
00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:55,250
S3: His mom and dad, blaze, his mom and dad are

1000
00:50:55,250 --> 00:50:59,530
S3: both Iditarod champions in the winning team like Golden Harness

1001
00:50:59,530 --> 00:51:00,330
S3: award winners.

1002
00:51:00,570 --> 00:51:01,250
S6: Wow, that sounds.

1003
00:51:01,250 --> 00:51:03,250
S1: So funny to say about a dog. I know he

1004
00:51:03,250 --> 00:51:06,250
S1: could talk. Yeah, my parents both won the Iditarod.

1005
00:51:06,370 --> 00:51:10,370
S6: That's right. I'm cool. What a flex.

1006
00:51:10,410 --> 00:51:11,290
S1: Blaze. What a.

1007
00:51:11,290 --> 00:51:11,850
S6: Flex.

1008
00:51:12,810 --> 00:51:16,609
S3: So funny, so funny. So here's the deal. I let

1009
00:51:16,650 --> 00:51:24,049
S3: out blaze this morning because he's got bladder. Bladder control

1010
00:51:24,050 --> 00:51:31,730
S3: issues and. So he. I let him out this morning early.

1011
00:51:33,050 --> 00:51:34,090
S3: You know what he does. Allie.

1012
00:51:34,090 --> 00:51:34,660
S6: Ali. What?

1013
00:51:34,940 --> 00:51:38,180
S3: Submarine dives at zero degrees right into a snowbank.

1014
00:51:38,219 --> 00:51:41,459
S6: Really? You didn't have a camera. That would have been great.

1015
00:51:41,500 --> 00:51:43,060
S3: Just submarine dive.

1016
00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:43,700
S6: Bang!

1017
00:51:43,739 --> 00:51:45,140
S3: Wow. Right. Right into a.

1018
00:51:45,140 --> 00:51:46,420
S6: Snowbank. I love it.

1019
00:51:46,460 --> 00:51:49,620
S3: Yeah, I love this guy. So here's what I've been

1020
00:51:49,620 --> 00:51:51,900
S3: learning with him. So he's gone through a couple little

1021
00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:53,819
S3: phases just in a couple of weeks, and now he's

1022
00:51:53,820 --> 00:51:56,980
S3: in this phase. Man, I love home. Home is fun.

1023
00:51:56,980 --> 00:51:59,780
S3: There are chew toys. I play tug of war with dad.

1024
00:51:59,780 --> 00:52:04,779
S3: We have a ball. And so we got to go

1025
00:52:04,780 --> 00:52:07,620
S3: out and stretch his legs. But you never want to

1026
00:52:07,620 --> 00:52:10,460
S3: pull on a dog's leash to get him to run.

1027
00:52:10,460 --> 00:52:12,980
S3: You never want to tug them. You've got to help

1028
00:52:12,980 --> 00:52:16,300
S3: encourage them. In the metaphor here is with our Heavenly Father,

1029
00:52:16,300 --> 00:52:19,100
S3: isn't he? That way he doesn't drag us along on

1030
00:52:19,100 --> 00:52:22,060
S3: the path and go, come on, we gotta walk. So

1031
00:52:22,060 --> 00:52:25,220
S3: when he sits down, looks at me, he starts panting

1032
00:52:25,219 --> 00:52:28,780
S3: and wagging his tail like, are we going back? I'm like, no,

1033
00:52:28,780 --> 00:52:33,380
S3: we're going for a walk, buddy. So I pick him up. Well,

1034
00:52:33,380 --> 00:52:38,060
S3: then he realizes. Hold it a second. This isn't that good.

1035
00:52:38,300 --> 00:52:43,899
S3: This is really awkward, having Karl carry me so he'll

1036
00:52:43,900 --> 00:52:45,739
S3: start squirming around. I'll go. All right. Do you. Do

1037
00:52:45,739 --> 00:52:48,060
S3: you want to walk? Because if you do, we're going to.

1038
00:52:48,060 --> 00:52:49,180
S3: We're going to go places.

1039
00:52:49,180 --> 00:52:50,739
S6: This is so funny.

1040
00:52:50,739 --> 00:52:51,780
S1: This whole conversation.

1041
00:52:52,020 --> 00:52:52,540
S6: So I said.

1042
00:52:52,580 --> 00:52:56,220
S3: I set him down and he'll walk a little bit.

1043
00:52:56,219 --> 00:53:00,259
S3: And immediately I don't say I don't get on him

1044
00:53:00,260 --> 00:53:02,780
S3: or anything. I just pick him up and go, okay,

1045
00:53:02,820 --> 00:53:05,739
S3: I'll carry you. And then he's like, no squirming around,

1046
00:53:05,739 --> 00:53:09,379
S3: squirming around. After about three of those, he's like, oh,

1047
00:53:09,620 --> 00:53:12,500
S3: I get it. The only way to be comfortable on

1048
00:53:12,500 --> 00:53:15,620
S3: this walk is to walk. That's what I got to do.

1049
00:53:15,660 --> 00:53:20,420
S3: I gotta, I gotta walk. Well, then we he discovers

1050
00:53:20,420 --> 00:53:23,419
S3: something and it's so cool. And he's a little guy,

1051
00:53:23,420 --> 00:53:28,540
S3: but he's already learned through the crosswalk. G is right.

1052
00:53:28,580 --> 00:53:32,950
S3: He's left and he's getting it. It's crazy. It's just

1053
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:35,550
S3: a little guy. But he is smart as can be.

1054
00:53:36,590 --> 00:53:39,950
S3: And now he's realizing. Whoa, there's a lot of G

1055
00:53:39,950 --> 00:53:43,070
S3: in whores. And there's a lot of new territory out here.

1056
00:53:43,070 --> 00:53:48,830
S3: If I just get down and walk, and then he's

1057
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:51,590
S3: tugging at the leash. And by the time we're about

1058
00:53:51,590 --> 00:53:54,230
S3: 20 minutes into a walk, he's like, where are we

1059
00:53:54,270 --> 00:53:58,989
S3: going now? No more of having me carry him. Our

1060
00:53:58,989 --> 00:54:02,430
S3: Heavenly Father works the same way. He's called us to

1061
00:54:02,469 --> 00:54:05,870
S3: walk with him. He calls us to walk with him.

1062
00:54:07,150 --> 00:54:12,990
S3: He'll carry us. He'll carry us until we realize that

1063
00:54:12,989 --> 00:54:16,590
S3: the real joy of this adventure with God is getting

1064
00:54:16,590 --> 00:54:20,629
S3: some feet on the terra firma and going ourselves. And

1065
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:25,030
S3: then you know what happens. We go into new places,

1066
00:54:25,230 --> 00:54:30,470
S3: new neighborhoods, new territory. We get to take a G,

1067
00:54:30,510 --> 00:54:34,110
S3: take a whore on ahead. We get to see places

1068
00:54:35,150 --> 00:54:40,790
S3: we'd never seen before. That's exactly what this story Jesus

1069
00:54:40,790 --> 00:54:45,310
S3: is teaching here means. He said to them, pay attention

1070
00:54:45,870 --> 00:54:49,870
S3: to what you hear, the measure, you use it, it

1071
00:54:49,870 --> 00:54:52,310
S3: will be measured to you, and still more will be

1072
00:54:52,310 --> 00:54:56,270
S3: added to you. For the one who has more will

1073
00:54:56,270 --> 00:55:00,630
S3: be given. What an incredible principle of the spiritual life

1074
00:55:01,230 --> 00:55:01,469
S3: it is.

1075
00:55:01,510 --> 00:55:04,190
S1: And I love, I love that we're talking about this

1076
00:55:04,190 --> 00:55:09,590
S1: because this is something good to pursue in terms of reward.

1077
00:55:10,030 --> 00:55:13,710
S1: This is a good incentive. And I don't think that

1078
00:55:13,710 --> 00:55:15,430
S1: we think about it like that.

1079
00:55:15,469 --> 00:55:19,430
S3: It's big. And, Ali, uh, from your life, where can

1080
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:23,189
S3: you look at something that you've said? Okay, God's told

1081
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:26,950
S3: me to walk here. And as you obeyed and you

1082
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:29,800
S3: heard his word to walk here. He opened up more

1083
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,240
S3: doors of opportunity.

1084
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,839
S1: You know, I remember this was oh, goodness, this is

1085
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,959
S1: when I really started to realize that I hadn't been

1086
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,879
S1: walking with the Lord in the way that I had

1087
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,040
S1: thought I had. And so I had a season of

1088
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,680
S1: really digging in and going deep with the Lord in

1089
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,360
S1: a way that I had never done before. And so

1090
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,520
S1: I remember getting a phone call one day and, and,

1091
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,680
S1: and I got asked to share a little devotion with

1092
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,440
S1: the choir. I was in a, I was in the

1093
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,080
S1: church choir, and before some of the practices, they would

1094
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,280
S1: have somebody to come up and just share a quick

1095
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,799
S1: little word, something that they had been learning, seeing to

1096
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,040
S1: exhort and encourage us before we start the choir practice.

1097
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,480
S1: And I remember this deep sense of, okay, God, you've

1098
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,360
S1: been preparing me for this. I'm going to take this step.

1099
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,520
S1: And that started a journey of where I was able

1100
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,799
S1: to go back and track. The time would pass, and

1101
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,480
S1: then something else would, be put in front of me.

1102
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,920
S1: That was felt like a little bit more of a

1103
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,919
S1: reach than the last thing. And over the course of

1104
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,320
S1: a year, maybe two years, I just could see where

1105
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:40,160
S1: each time I took that step, there was another one

1106
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,840
S1: coming that was a little bit more, and it was

1107
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,719
S1: linked to the obedience in the last one. And it

1108
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,640
S1: was really cool to kind of reflect on that and

1109
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,000
S1: see how God had orchestrated it, really leading up to

1110
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:54,600
S1: me coming here to Moody.

1111
00:56:55,560 --> 00:57:00,360
S3: Boom, boom. And that did lead up to that.

1112
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:01,120
S6: Yes.

1113
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,799
S3: Lunch that we had on a patio with Matt McNeely.

1114
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:04,320
S6: Yeah.

1115
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,120
S1: Where I didn't touch the soup.

1116
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S6: Yeah. That was what? Wait a minute. You didn't tell

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S6: that one.

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S1: When you do an interview over lunch, can you really

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S1: eat and answer questions at the same time? So Matt

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S1: and Carl still joke? I can't about the fact that

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S1: I ordered a cup of soup politely because you can't

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S1: not order. But then I didn't touch it. I was

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S1: so nervous. I'm trying to answer the question. So I

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S1: sat there.

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S6: I figured, yeah.

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S1: The lunch where I didn't actually eat.

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S11: It's so great.

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S3: Oh, so here's the principle. What is God calling you

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00:57:43,530 --> 00:57:49,730
S3: to walk in today? That the Holy Spirit's almost ringing

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S3: the dinner bell saying, go walk it out? In fact,

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S3: I want to get text messages. What are you hearing

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S3: the voice of God saying today that you need to

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S3: go walk in because you're holding on to the promise

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S3: that more doors are going to open, you're going to

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S3: take new territory. God's going to open up more opportunities

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S3: for you. And the Spirit of God is just telling

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S3: you to walk in this right here. What is this?

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S3: What is that? Text us 800 555 7898 800 555 7898.