WEBVTT - Hour 2: Understanding the Bible 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:14.200 Hello friends. It's time for the second hour of Open 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:17.960 Line with Doctor Michael Ray. Domenic Moody Radio's Bible Study 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:22.600 Across America. We're talking about your questions about the Bible, 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:25.520 God and the spiritual life. My name is Michael Ray. 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:29.000 I'm the academic dean and a professor of Jewish studies 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:32.520 and Bible at Moody Bible Institute. We're live today sitting 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:36.000 around the radio kitchen table taking your questions. So give 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:46.440 me a call right now. The phone number (877) 548-3675. That's (877) 548-3675. 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:50.400 Beginning the hour. Always the best time to call. So, uh, 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:56.800 give us a call (877) 548-3675. If you can't call, you 0:00:56.800 --> 0:01:00.280 can go to our website, open line radio.org. There's a 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:03.600 link there that says Ask Michael a question. Click over 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:06.399 there and you'll you'll be able to post your question 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:10.080 and Trish will collate it. Put it all together and 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:12.399 we'll put them in the mailbag and take them at 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:15.080 a future day. I hope you have your second cup 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:17.839 of coffee and your Bible still open, because we're going 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:22.280 to continue talking about the scriptures, and we're going to 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.320 start with trip in central Illinois listening on the Moody 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:28.160 Radio app. Welcome to Open Line Trip. How can I 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:28.959 help you today? 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.640 Good morning. Thank you for having me on. So I've 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:35.120 been a Christian a long time, listened to Moody Radio 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:41.680 for several decades. So many excellent speakers such as yourself. 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:46.640 My question is regarding the Trinity, and one of the 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:49.680 things that I've picked up is that, of course, and 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:53.240 I believe the Trinity is three distinct persons, just like 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:56.559 Jesus was 100% man, 100% God when he was here 0:01:56.560 --> 0:02:00.970 on earth. The Trinity is three distinct persons in quotes. 0:02:01.570 --> 0:02:04.250 And then the last part of that is we will 0:02:04.250 --> 0:02:07.010 never fully understand the Trinity till we get to heaven. 0:02:07.690 --> 0:02:11.250 So my question is if it's if God the Father, 0:02:11.290 --> 0:02:15.889 God the Son, God the Holy Spirit is three distinct persons. 0:02:16.290 --> 0:02:18.930 Am I not supposed to have a relationship with each 0:02:18.930 --> 0:02:22.090 three each of the three? Should I not be speaking 0:02:22.130 --> 0:02:25.050 to each of the one praying to each of them? 0:02:25.570 --> 0:02:28.090 And that would be like having three gods, wouldn't it 0:02:28.090 --> 0:02:30.490 be trip? Or is there just one God? 0:02:30.530 --> 0:02:35.490 No. Well, again, it's this mystery of three persons or 0:02:35.570 --> 0:02:37.330 3 in 1. So I tried. 0:02:38.250 --> 0:02:41.010 Wait, wait. Trip trip trip trip trip. I hear what 0:02:41.010 --> 0:02:46.369 you're saying. But three persons. But one essence. Yes. I mean, 0:02:46.930 --> 0:02:53.410 there's only one God. Uh, yes. And and so, uh, 0:02:53.410 --> 0:02:57.330 it seems to me that we should pray in the 0:02:57.330 --> 0:03:00.770 way that the Lord Jesus taught us to pray. Right. 0:03:00.810 --> 0:03:01.330 How's that. 0:03:01.370 --> 0:03:03.450 Lord's Prayer? That was that was my next part of 0:03:03.450 --> 0:03:05.970 my question. We have that. But what other scripture? That's 0:03:05.970 --> 0:03:08.010 the other part of my question. What scripture do we 0:03:08.010 --> 0:03:09.890 have to lead us one way or the other in 0:03:09.889 --> 0:03:12.210 this understanding or misunderstanding? 0:03:12.650 --> 0:03:16.090 First of all, we have the Lord's Prayer which directs us. 0:03:16.130 --> 0:03:17.970 He gives us a model prayer. It's not that we 0:03:17.970 --> 0:03:21.970 pray that very prayer. It's a model. It's exemplary. It 0:03:21.970 --> 0:03:25.090 teach us to pray. Pray in this way. And it 0:03:25.090 --> 0:03:27.730 starts off by saying, our Father in heaven. 0:03:29.130 --> 0:03:29.570 Mhm. 0:03:30.050 --> 0:03:33.810 And so we we address our prayers to God the Father. 0:03:36.010 --> 0:03:40.090 And then if you read the Upper Room discourse, the 0:03:40.090 --> 0:03:46.890 Lord directs the disciples in John 14 1516, uh, to 0:03:46.930 --> 0:03:55.820 pray in the name of the son. Uh, for example. Well, uh, 0:03:56.060 --> 0:04:00.100 John 1413, whatever you ask in my name, I will 0:04:00.100 --> 0:04:02.660 do it so that your father may be glorified in 0:04:02.660 --> 0:04:09.540 the son. Uh, and, uh, so the idea is that 0:04:09.540 --> 0:04:17.300 we pray to the father in the name of the son. But, uh, 0:04:17.300 --> 0:04:21.060 where's the Holy Spirit in this? Well, it's interesting to me. 0:04:22.180 --> 0:04:25.540 In John 15, it says that the spirit of truth 0:04:25.540 --> 0:04:32.619 who proceeds from the father, he will testify about me. So, uh, 0:04:32.620 --> 0:04:35.380 some people have called that the shy. The reason that 0:04:35.380 --> 0:04:38.340 the the the shy, the shy person of the Godhead, 0:04:38.339 --> 0:04:42.700 the Holy Spirit is not about himself, but about pointing 0:04:42.700 --> 0:04:49.420 people to the son. And, uh, so the shy Holy Spirit, 0:04:49.420 --> 0:04:52.659 by the way, again, John 16, I assure you, anything 0:04:52.660 --> 0:04:56.980 you ask the father in my name. He will give you. Uh, 0:04:57.980 --> 0:05:02.700 and so the clearest, clearest teaching I have from the 0:05:02.700 --> 0:05:06.260 Lord Jesus himself about prayer is that we should pray 0:05:06.260 --> 0:05:10.620 to the father in the name of the son. But 0:05:10.620 --> 0:05:15.780 the Holy Spirit has a role in empowering our prayers. Uh, 0:05:16.540 --> 0:05:20.779 the Holy Spirit guides us. Uh, and even we can 0:05:20.779 --> 0:05:25.380 ask God to have the Holy Spirit guide us into 0:05:25.380 --> 0:05:27.540 what we need to pray. I think God has to 0:05:27.540 --> 0:05:30.179 be in our prayer list as well. Uh, the Holy 0:05:30.180 --> 0:05:32.779 Spirit also, when we don't know how to pray anymore, 0:05:32.820 --> 0:05:35.900 we're at the end of our rope. It says in 0:05:35.900 --> 0:05:40.940 Romans eight that the Holy Spirit prays for us. In 0:05:40.940 --> 0:05:43.620 the same way, the spirit also joins to help in 0:05:43.620 --> 0:05:46.860 our weakness, because there are times we do not know 0:05:46.860 --> 0:05:49.660 what to pray for as we should, but the spirit 0:05:49.660 --> 0:05:54.430 himself intercedes for us. So the Holy Spirit and words 0:05:55.029 --> 0:05:58.950 and groans too deep for words. It's not audible in 0:05:58.950 --> 0:06:02.870 any way. But the Holy Spirit will intercede for us. 0:06:05.470 --> 0:06:13.469 And I think there's a verse in Philippians, uh, that, uh, 0:06:14.390 --> 0:06:18.349 seems to talk about the Holy Spirit's power. Oh, this 0:06:18.350 --> 0:06:22.270 is it. Uh, uh, it's Ephesians 618. Pray at all 0:06:22.270 --> 0:06:28.990 times in the spirit. Sometimes people take that, uh, as being, uh, 0:06:29.470 --> 0:06:33.150 praying in a unlearned language or something like that, or, 0:06:33.510 --> 0:06:37.390 or ecstatic utterance or something like that. That's not what 0:06:37.390 --> 0:06:39.310 it means. It means pray at all times in the 0:06:39.310 --> 0:06:43.110 power of the spirit, allowing the Holy Spirit to invade 0:06:43.110 --> 0:06:47.870 our prayer lists. Um, and and that's what what it's 0:06:47.870 --> 0:06:53.430 talking about. So, uh, The idea is that when we pray, 0:06:53.430 --> 0:06:58.150 we pray to the father in the name of the son, 0:06:59.670 --> 0:07:04.109 by the power of the Holy Spirit invading our prayer lists. 0:07:04.310 --> 0:07:07.630 And that's how we should pray, not as having we 0:07:07.670 --> 0:07:11.750 not like having an individual relationship with each member of 0:07:11.750 --> 0:07:14.590 the Godhead, but praying to the one God, to the 0:07:14.590 --> 0:07:18.070 father in the name of the son, by the power 0:07:18.070 --> 0:07:20.870 of the spirit. Does that help at all, Tripp? 0:07:21.590 --> 0:07:25.350 Well it helps. I'm still a little bit murky on this. And, 0:07:25.390 --> 0:07:30.390 you know, there's all kinds of songs and so forth about, 0:07:30.430 --> 0:07:33.510 you know, I walk with Jesus and Jesus carries me 0:07:33.550 --> 0:07:36.590 and on the sand and so forth. And it. 0:07:37.150 --> 0:07:40.950 Does. Yeah. Let me ask you, Tripp. Tripp. Tripp, where 0:07:40.950 --> 0:07:43.670 are you going? To get your guidance for how to 0:07:43.710 --> 0:07:46.870 pray from the Lord Jesus and the word of God 0:07:47.030 --> 0:07:47.950 or from songs? 0:07:47.990 --> 0:07:48.390 Yes. 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:51.480 I hope not. From songs, of course. 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:53.239 Right. Right. 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:54.640 Okay. 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:55.040 No. 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:56.200 That's true. That's a. 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:56.640 Basic. 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:02.840 Yeah. Uh, we don't we don't, uh, make decisions by 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:06.160 what we think is a good idea. Uh, we don't 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.600 make decisions about how to pray based on a song 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:11.280 that we've heard, or a poem that we've read or 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.640 a poster we've seen. The way we learn how to pray. 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:17.600 And by the way, I would recommend wonderful books. I 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.320 can't even you know how to resurrect a dead prayer. 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.680 Life is one of them. But there are many books, 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:27.600 several books written about prayer by doctor Bill Thrasher, a 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:31.280 professor at Moody. Uh, you can look up Bill Thrasher 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:35.040 about all the books he's written about prayer. I would 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:38.680 I would really encourage you, uh, to pick up some 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:42.800 of those books. He gives a great biblical guidance on 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:46.839 how we're supposed to be praying. Uh, he's he's one 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:50.160 of the godliest men I know. He's, uh. I've known 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:53.920 him for 50 years. Uh, he is. He's taught spiritual 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:58.720 life at Moody for about 49 of those 50 years. Uh, 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.120 he was a doctoral student when I was a graduate student, 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:05.920 a master's student in graduate school, and, uh. 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:06.280 Wow. 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:09.920 I just I've known him forever. And he has lived 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.280 out that commitment to prayer. And he teaches people how 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:17.480 to pray better than anyone I know. So, uh, why 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:19.240 don't you pick up some of his books there? So. 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:20.079 Okay. 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.600 Uh, they're so biblical. Uh, that's what I love. He 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:27.360 he gets the guidance for how? There we go. Uh, 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:30.599 my producer just posted one A Journey to Victorious Praying 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:34.760 by Bill Thrasher. That's a great book, too. So, um. 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:35.560 Check. 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:36.040 Check it. 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:37.720 You know what? You know what, trip? 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:40.640 I'm. That's a moody book. So how about you hang 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:44.520 on a second? Uh, I bet Moody Publishers, uh, would 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:48.209 happily send you a copy of A Journey to Victoria 0:09:48.210 --> 0:09:51.010 spraying everyone out there. If you're listening and you think 0:09:51.010 --> 0:09:54.569 I would like to enhance my prayer life, uh, that's 0:09:54.570 --> 0:09:58.810 a a great, great book, I'd encourage you to pick 0:09:58.809 --> 0:10:03.290 it up. You can go to Moody publishers.com, and you 0:10:03.290 --> 0:10:06.850 can find it there, or any online bookstore or Christian bookstore, 0:10:06.850 --> 0:10:09.130 wherever you want to go. But trip, you hang on. 0:10:09.130 --> 0:10:13.090 We'll get your, uh, your address and, uh, to here. 0:10:13.090 --> 0:10:15.530 We'll get that information and we'll send you a copy 0:10:15.530 --> 0:10:19.890 of Bill Thrasher's Journey to Victorious. Praying. Okay. 0:10:20.370 --> 0:10:21.050 Thanks so much. 0:10:21.890 --> 0:10:27.010 Yeah, sure. Uh, thanks. Thanks for your call. Uh, you know, 0:10:27.050 --> 0:10:29.970 we're going to take a break here. Uh, and when 0:10:29.970 --> 0:10:34.770 we come back, uh, we'll have time to, uh, to 0:10:34.809 --> 0:10:40.929 take your question, the phone number (877) 548-3675. You're listening to 0:10:41.130 --> 0:10:44.010 Open Line on Moody Radio. My name is Michael Melnick. 0:10:44.290 --> 0:10:47.569 More questions coming up straight ahead. So stay with us. 0:11:06.450 --> 0:11:10.170 And we're back. Uh, you know, I think that, uh, 0:11:11.850 --> 0:11:14.450 this is Michael Ray Melnick. You're listening to Open Line. 0:11:15.050 --> 0:11:20.050 There are times when I just can't encourage you enough, uh, 0:11:20.250 --> 0:11:25.410 to consider giving a gift to open line. Not because 0:11:25.410 --> 0:11:30.130 I think. 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Um, you were, uh, were you were 0:13:33.580 --> 0:13:35.660 on the run the other day, and, uh, someone asked 0:13:35.660 --> 0:13:40.460 you where, uh, in scripture does Jesus say that he's God? And, uh, 0:13:40.460 --> 0:13:42.940 that's my question. And I've got pen in hand to 0:13:42.980 --> 0:13:43.780 write it down. 0:13:44.380 --> 0:13:46.020 Okay. You got a pen in hand, right? 0:13:46.380 --> 0:13:46.700 Well. 0:13:48.540 --> 0:13:52.060 Where does Jesus exclusively. Is that what you're talking about? 0:13:52.100 --> 0:13:54.500 Where does Jesus claim deity, or where does the New 0:13:54.500 --> 0:13:57.059 Testament attribute deity to him? 0:13:57.660 --> 0:13:59.740 Well, I would say both, because I want to write 0:13:59.740 --> 0:14:03.260 that down. That's something I've been wanting steady for quite 0:14:03.260 --> 0:14:03.820 some time. 0:14:03.860 --> 0:14:04.300 Okay. 0:14:04.860 --> 0:14:12.660 Okay. Um, well, a good place to start is, uh, 0:14:12.660 --> 0:14:17.660 John 14. You know, I was all all ready to 0:14:17.700 --> 0:14:19.580 go to. But if we're going to look at I 0:14:19.580 --> 0:14:26.180 was going to go to the Pauline epistles, but John 14. Uh, 0:14:27.940 --> 0:14:34.060 in verse eight, uh, Philip says, Lord, show us the father. Uh, 0:14:34.100 --> 0:14:36.260 John 14 eight Jesus said to him, have I been 0:14:36.260 --> 0:14:38.660 among you all this time without your knowing me, Philip? 0:14:38.860 --> 0:14:42.070 The one who has seen me has seen the father. 0:14:42.150 --> 0:14:44.550 How can you say. Show us the father. Don't you 0:14:44.550 --> 0:14:46.910 believe that I am in the father? And the father 0:14:46.910 --> 0:14:50.830 is in me? Uh. The words I speak to you. 0:14:50.830 --> 0:14:52.750 I do not speak on my own. The father who 0:14:52.750 --> 0:14:55.190 lives in me does his works. Believe in me that 0:14:55.190 --> 0:14:57.350 I am in the father, and the father is in me. 0:14:57.390 --> 0:15:00.670 If you've seen me, you've seen the father. In other words, 0:15:00.670 --> 0:15:04.990 if you've seen me as deity, you've seen the deity 0:15:05.430 --> 0:15:08.590 of the father as well. The essence of deity. That's 0:15:08.590 --> 0:15:14.910 one place, uh, and uh, then, uh, another uh, verse 0:15:15.390 --> 0:15:16.750 is in John eight. 0:15:18.710 --> 0:15:19.870 Where 24. 0:15:21.550 --> 0:15:26.550 Well, no, that's not that's not the verse. But, uh, when, uh, 0:15:26.990 --> 0:15:30.910 your father Abraham was overjoyed that he would see my day. 0:15:30.950 --> 0:15:35.790 That's verse 56. He saw it and rejoiced. And they said, 0:15:35.830 --> 0:15:39.910 you're not even 50 years old. And you've seen Abraham. 0:15:40.630 --> 0:15:44.630 Jesus said to them, I assure you, before Abraham was, 0:15:45.310 --> 0:15:50.550 I am. He is declaring his pre-existence. That's one thing. 0:15:50.550 --> 0:15:52.830 But more than that, when he says I am, he 0:15:52.870 --> 0:15:56.630 is using the Jewish name, the Jewish name for deity, 0:15:56.670 --> 0:15:59.870 for God. And so by saying, I am who I am, 0:15:59.870 --> 0:16:07.110 basically Jesus is claiming deity. Uh, other places where, uh, 0:16:07.110 --> 0:16:15.390 people pick up stones to stone him are significant as well. Uh, so, Jesus, uh, 0:16:15.950 --> 0:16:24.110 that happens in, uh, in, uh, John ten, uh, 25 0:16:24.150 --> 0:16:33.070 through 33. Uh, that's. That's one of the important verses, uh, 0:16:33.190 --> 0:16:39.240 where he says, uh, No one is able to. I, 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:43.320 the father and I are one. John 1030. And they 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:47.320 picked up stones to stone him, because they understood that 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:50.400 that he was claiming deity. That's the same thing that 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:54.320 happened when he said before Abraham was I am. In 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:58.680 John 859 they also picked up stones to throw at 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:03.360 him because he was equating himself with deity. Uh, so 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:07.720 I think lots of places in John. Also, when asked 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:10.880 if he is the Messiah, the Lord Jesus says, you'll 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:14.760 see the Son of Man descending. That's in Matthew, uh, 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:18.720 which is a claim of deity. And the high priest 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:22.840 understands this. Uh, he tears his robes and says, what 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:26.200 more do we need? He's committed blasphemy. He understands this. 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:27.239 And I. 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:29.280 Think one. Really? Pardon me. 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:30.920 That's Matthew. What? 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.920 Uh, I'll tell you. Yeah. You expect me to know? 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.760 Off the top of my head? I should, but it's 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:53.520 in Matthew chapter 20. And it says in 26. Uh, 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:55.600 let's see if I can find it. There it is, 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:01.080 verse 20, chapter 26, verse 63. Tell us if you 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:03.960 are the Messiah, the Son of God. Verse 64, you've 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:06.480 said it. Jesus told him, but I tell you, in 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:10.320 the future you will see the Son of Man seated 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:14.080 at the right hand of power. That's deity and coming 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:17.480 on the clouds of heaven. That's citing from Daniel 713, 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.720 where there's this deity figure called the Son of Man. 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:25.640 And the high priest tore his robes and said, he 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:30.480 has blasphemed because he's claiming deity. Why do we need witnesses? Look, 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:35.250 now you've heard that. Blasphemy. What is your decision. So 0:18:36.010 --> 0:18:45.409 Matthew 26, verses 63 through 64. And of course this 0:18:45.410 --> 0:18:49.530 is in written by John. It's not a self-declaration in 0:18:49.530 --> 0:18:54.010 John by the Messiah, but here's what it says in 0:18:54.010 --> 0:18:57.770 John chapter one. In the beginning was the word, and 0:18:57.770 --> 0:19:01.690 the word was with God, and the word was God. 0:19:02.250 --> 0:19:05.250 He was with God in the beginning. All things were 0:19:05.250 --> 0:19:08.010 created through him, and apart from him not one thing 0:19:08.010 --> 0:19:11.090 was created that has been created. Life was in him 0:19:11.090 --> 0:19:13.730 and that life was the light of men. The light 0:19:13.730 --> 0:19:16.489 shines in the darkness. The darkness did not overcome it. 0:19:16.530 --> 0:19:22.730 Then you look at. Verse 14, the word that was 0:19:22.730 --> 0:19:26.170 the eternal God. The word became flesh and took up 0:19:26.170 --> 0:19:32.770 residence among us. Uh, so, uh, that's a verse that 0:19:32.770 --> 0:19:36.050 indicates that Jesus is fully God and the God man. 0:19:36.290 --> 0:19:38.730 He became flesh. Okay. 0:19:39.290 --> 0:19:40.609 Okay. Are there any. 0:19:40.609 --> 0:19:41.570 More? There's a lot more. 0:19:41.690 --> 0:19:46.850 I really encourage you, uh, to do. Do you have 0:19:46.850 --> 0:19:52.490 a book like, um, uh, the Moody Handbook of Theology? 0:19:53.450 --> 0:19:54.290 Uh, no, I don't. 0:19:54.810 --> 0:19:56.689 Okay, well, you hang on. We're going to get you 0:19:56.690 --> 0:19:59.689 a copy of the Moody Handbook of Theology. Uh, the 0:19:59.890 --> 0:20:04.090 Moody Handbook of Theology goes through the deity of the Messiah, 0:20:04.210 --> 0:20:08.449 the deity of Christ, in a in a very clear way. Uh, 0:20:08.810 --> 0:20:10.690 and I think this is one of the problems that 0:20:10.690 --> 0:20:14.609 we have is, you know, we we sometimes forget that 0:20:14.609 --> 0:20:16.730 we need to pull together everything that the Bible says 0:20:16.770 --> 0:20:19.450 on a particular subject. Uh, and that's why we have 0:20:19.450 --> 0:20:22.330 a book like the Moody Handbook of Theology. Uh, because 0:20:22.330 --> 0:20:30.460 it does that very thing. Okay. So you hang on, Lee, uh, to, uh, uh, Well, 0:20:30.900 --> 0:20:33.780 if you get Lee's address, if you're listening and you 0:20:33.780 --> 0:20:36.419 think I'd like a better grip of theology, that's one 0:20:36.420 --> 0:20:39.340 of the books that you could get the the Moody. 0:20:39.380 --> 0:20:43.020 It's and it's easy to understand. It's written for everyday people. 0:20:43.020 --> 0:20:47.300 It's the Moody Handbook of Theology by Paul Ends. Great tool. 0:20:47.300 --> 0:20:50.899 I really, really encourage you to get a copy that's 0:20:50.900 --> 0:20:54.780 going to help you a lot. Um, we're going to 0:20:54.780 --> 0:20:57.900 go back to the phones now and talk to, uh, 0:20:58.780 --> 0:21:02.420 Ruth in Tampa Bay, Florida, listening on Moody Radio. Uh, 0:21:02.740 --> 0:21:04.900 welcome to Open Line. Ruth. How can I help you today? 0:21:05.980 --> 0:21:10.139 Well, hello, Michael. I am a kitchen table partner. Saturday morning. 0:21:10.180 --> 0:21:12.460 Hey. Thank you. Thank you so much. 0:21:14.420 --> 0:21:16.699 I appreciate it, I love it. You've been listening to 0:21:16.700 --> 0:21:19.380 you for many years. I grew up listening to Moody Radio. 0:21:19.580 --> 0:21:23.260 I have a new friend here in, um, the community 0:21:23.260 --> 0:21:27.500 in Florida here who said, I've never had any pastor 0:21:27.500 --> 0:21:29.540 be able to answer this question. I said, well, ask me, 0:21:29.580 --> 0:21:31.420 you know, maybe I'll call Michael and ask him about. 0:21:31.420 --> 0:21:34.980 So here we are. He she said, um, she said. 0:21:35.100 --> 0:21:37.220 Now is he. Let me ask you, is he a 0:21:37.220 --> 0:21:39.180 cynic or is he someone that believes? 0:21:39.380 --> 0:21:43.020 No, she believes she is a lady. She believes. Believes Arianna. 0:21:43.100 --> 0:21:46.220 She believes. And, um, but she's a baby Christian. She 0:21:46.220 --> 0:21:50.340 just accepted Christ through my friend who's an evangelist, and she's, um. 0:21:50.380 --> 0:21:52.820 She's a riot. She's so much fun. So we're spending 0:21:52.820 --> 0:21:54.540 a lot of time together because she makes me laugh, right? 0:21:54.540 --> 0:21:58.780 So that's always a good thing anyway. So. Yeah. And we're, um. 0:21:59.300 --> 0:22:00.899 I was just thinking I should have invited you to 0:22:00.900 --> 0:22:03.940 the wedding. We're we're we're getting we're having a reception 0:22:03.940 --> 0:22:06.060 next week. We got married in January in Chicago, and 0:22:06.060 --> 0:22:08.980 now we're down here to have receptions. But anyway, sorry 0:22:08.980 --> 0:22:11.179 I didn't get you an invitation. Anyway, this is her 0:22:11.180 --> 0:22:15.220 question now. Um, Genesis three, Adam and Eve. Okay, so 0:22:15.220 --> 0:22:18.460 she said, how could the the how could the devil, 0:22:18.500 --> 0:22:21.740 the serpent, have tempted Eve when he hadn't even been 0:22:21.740 --> 0:22:24.180 kicked out of heaven yet? And she said, she's asked 0:22:24.180 --> 0:22:25.860 all these pastors this. And I said, you know what? 0:22:25.859 --> 0:22:27.379 I think I know the answer, but I'm going to 0:22:27.380 --> 0:22:29.790 ask Michael because I think it has to do with timing. 0:22:29.790 --> 0:22:32.310 He had to have already been kicked out of heaven. 0:22:32.310 --> 0:22:35.470 He already was the serpent. Right. And then it made 0:22:35.470 --> 0:22:37.750 me think, well, I wish there was a way we 0:22:37.750 --> 0:22:39.990 could know, because, you know, the Bible, the Old Testament especially, 0:22:39.990 --> 0:22:44.030 isn't in order, right? It's it's like, is there something 0:22:44.030 --> 0:22:46.230 like with this, this new book, you're saying the dictionary 0:22:46.230 --> 0:22:50.030 or the commentary? Does it talk about the order of 0:22:50.030 --> 0:22:52.389 the actual. Because I know anyway. 0:22:52.430 --> 0:22:54.790 Well, I'm sure The Moody Handbook of Theology is a 0:22:54.790 --> 0:22:58.550 book that I don't remember off the top of my head, 0:22:59.070 --> 0:23:01.189 whether it does, but I'm pretty sure it's got a 0:23:01.190 --> 0:23:03.950 section on Angelology, and it has the. 0:23:03.990 --> 0:23:06.070 Oh, that's what it's called. Entomology. 0:23:06.550 --> 0:23:08.389 Angel ology. Angel ology? 0:23:08.430 --> 0:23:09.830 Oh, angelology. 0:23:10.030 --> 0:23:12.990 Oh, yeah. Yeah. Now who's getting married? 0:23:14.270 --> 0:23:18.470 I, I got married in January in Chicago, and we're 0:23:18.470 --> 0:23:20.390 here because I have a place in Florida, and we're 0:23:20.390 --> 0:23:22.149 having two receptions because I have a. 0:23:22.470 --> 0:23:24.190 Who are you marrying? Is what I want to know. 0:23:24.230 --> 0:23:28.270 I am, I am, I'm Marrying. I'm marrying Rick Howell. 0:23:28.310 --> 0:23:29.470 He's the most wonderful man. 0:23:29.590 --> 0:23:29.909 Okay. 0:23:29.950 --> 0:23:31.750 Okay. I already married him. I already married him. But 0:23:31.750 --> 0:23:33.750 I was like, oh, man, I should have invited Michael. 0:23:33.750 --> 0:23:35.470 You could have had a trip down to Florida. 0:23:35.869 --> 0:23:37.830 Yeah, that would be great. That's great. I was a 0:23:37.830 --> 0:23:44.270 little confused there when you. What you were saying? Okay, okay. Uh, now, um. 0:23:47.550 --> 0:23:52.310 And revelation 12, it talks about, uh, the Satan and 0:23:52.310 --> 0:23:55.910 his tail swept away a third of the stars and 0:23:55.950 --> 0:24:00.470 hurled them to earth. Uh, and so at the rebellion 0:24:00.470 --> 0:24:03.830 of Satan, I believe Satan was cast out of heaven. Uh, 0:24:03.830 --> 0:24:06.830 the Lord Jesus says the same thing, uh, when he says, 0:24:06.830 --> 0:24:11.470 I saw Satan cast from heaven. Okay. When he fell, 0:24:11.470 --> 0:24:14.190 he was cast out of heaven. But that didn't mean 0:24:14.710 --> 0:24:18.110 that he didn't have access to. 0:24:18.390 --> 0:24:19.230 Uh, um. 0:24:19.710 --> 0:24:21.950 To heaven. So that we see in the book of 0:24:21.950 --> 0:24:26.110 job when all the sons of God present themselves. Satan 0:24:26.109 --> 0:24:29.270 presents himself there with the other angels, the sons of 0:24:29.270 --> 0:24:32.869 God being a term for angels. So and in the 0:24:32.869 --> 0:24:35.430 middle of the tribulation he will be cast out of 0:24:35.430 --> 0:24:40.470 heaven one more time for good. But the original casting 0:24:40.470 --> 0:24:44.430 out of Satan happened when he fell, which was likely 0:24:44.790 --> 0:24:49.030 before the world was even created, or perhaps after the 0:24:49.030 --> 0:24:51.989 world was created. And that's why he that's when he 0:24:51.990 --> 0:24:56.950 became the God of this world. And that's when he, uh, uh, 0:24:57.390 --> 0:25:02.830 tried to tempt Satan. Satan tried to tempt Eve. And so, uh, 0:25:02.869 --> 0:25:10.110 they he was cast out upon, uh, his rebellion, but 0:25:10.109 --> 0:25:12.790 still had access. And he will have his final casting 0:25:12.790 --> 0:25:15.510 out right about the middle of the tribulation. And he's 0:25:15.510 --> 0:25:19.310 going to turn with venom, uh, on the people of God, 0:25:19.310 --> 0:25:22.550 the Jewish people, uh, during the tribulation period. That's what 0:25:22.590 --> 0:25:24.800 revelation 12 indicates. 0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:29.800 But the access is what? That's interesting. That's the question. 0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:31.160 The access that he has. 0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:33.560 Yeah. He's. Yeah. People think, well, how can he have 0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:37.320 access to God if God it's a place of purity. Uh, but, uh, 0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:42.160 God gives him access and is not affected by Satan's sin. Uh. 0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:45.320 Jobe. Anyway, Jobe, I know we got music coming, but. 0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:46.639 Yeah, well. 0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:50.120 Uh, in job chapter one, we're going to come right 0:25:50.119 --> 0:25:52.679 back with more of your questions in just a moment. 0:25:52.680 --> 0:26:09.840 Stay with us. And we're back. I'm so glad to 0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:12.959 be with you today. My name is Michael Riedel, and 0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:18.760 it's time for the Febc mailbag. We're grateful that the 0:26:18.760 --> 0:26:22.680 Far Eastern Broadcasting Company partners with Openline to bring you 0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:28.240 the weekly Febc mailbag. Febc is a wonderful organization, and 0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:31.480 it brings the good news of Jesus to people all 0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:34.720 over the globe, through media, through personal engagement. It is 0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:39.920 a terrific ministry. You can check out their podcast. It's 0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:44.840 called Until All Have Heard by going to Febc. Org 0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:49.920 or to wherever you get your favorite podcasts. Check out febc. 0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:54.960 Great location to see all about this really terrific ministry. 0:26:55.320 --> 0:27:01.600 Joining me right now is Taira Taira Haynes. She is the, uh, 0:27:01.880 --> 0:27:07.440 producer of Open Line. Uh, producer, associate producer, secondary producer. 0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:09.600 Other producer. What do we call you? I don't know. 0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:13.119 My official title is producer. Uh, just in general for 0:27:13.160 --> 0:27:16.639 Moody Radio. But, of course, Tricia is the Open Line 0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:17.560 senior producer. 0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:23.649 She's. Tricia is my boss, course. I always say whatever 0:27:23.650 --> 0:27:26.970 Tricia says I do. You know? That's what I do. Hey, 0:27:27.010 --> 0:27:30.490 you know, uh, people have been asking me, when are 0:27:30.490 --> 0:27:35.970 we going to go back to Israel? Yes. And I have, uh, I'm. 0:27:36.290 --> 0:27:37.969 I know people are a little nervous. They say, oh, 0:27:37.970 --> 0:27:39.370 there's a war. We're not going to go any place 0:27:39.369 --> 0:27:41.409 that's dangerous. We're going to be in a safe place. 0:27:41.410 --> 0:27:45.570 But we're going September 7th. Uh, there's, uh, a great trip. 0:27:45.570 --> 0:27:48.970 We're going to walk. Uh, I always say we we 0:27:49.010 --> 0:27:51.810 not only walk where? Jesus. Walk where you walk where? Jesus. Uh, 0:27:52.450 --> 0:27:54.730 we all sail where Jesus walked. That's what we'll do, 0:27:54.730 --> 0:27:56.850 because we're going to go on a boat on the 0:27:56.890 --> 0:27:59.090 Sea of Galilee. And, uh, we're going to have a 0:27:59.090 --> 0:28:03.810 great time. And if you're interested in joining me in Israel, 0:28:03.810 --> 0:28:05.850 a great way to do that is go to Open 0:28:05.850 --> 0:28:12.010 Line radio.org. Click on the link that says Michael's, uh, 0:28:12.050 --> 0:28:15.570 web page. And that will take you to my web page, michael.org. 0:28:15.609 --> 0:28:18.490 And there's a link there about trips to Israel, upcoming 0:28:18.530 --> 0:28:22.169 trips in a variety of ways. So if you're interested 0:28:22.170 --> 0:28:24.810 in that, check out Open Line Radio org and go 0:28:24.810 --> 0:28:27.610 to the link that says Michael's personal web page. 0:28:28.369 --> 0:28:29.209 Thank you for that. 0:28:29.810 --> 0:28:33.090 Yeah. And okay, so we've got some questions here. 0:28:33.650 --> 0:28:37.850 We do. Yes. Thank you. Our first question is from 0:28:37.850 --> 0:28:43.130 Lisa in Ohio. Listening from she says, I have a 0:28:43.130 --> 0:28:47.010 friend who believes the Gospels were written 300 years ago, 0:28:47.170 --> 0:28:51.250 written 300 years ago. She says she has not heard that, 0:28:51.250 --> 0:28:54.330 but she does want to know when they were written 0:28:54.330 --> 0:28:57.010 and how she should respond to her friend. 0:28:58.010 --> 0:29:06.650 Yeah. Well, uh. Robinson wrote a book called Redating the Gospels. 0:29:06.650 --> 0:29:11.050 I believe it is. Uh, I'm looking it up right now. 0:29:11.730 --> 0:29:16.890 Uh redating. The New Testament, that's what it's called. Um, 0:29:17.700 --> 0:29:20.740 Rethinking the dates of the New Testament. Maybe that's it, 0:29:20.740 --> 0:29:25.380 but Don A.T. Robinson wrote redating the New Testament. Uh, 0:29:25.700 --> 0:29:28.500 that's a book that really makes a case for the 0:29:28.500 --> 0:29:32.940 New Testament being including the Gospels being much earlier than 0:29:32.980 --> 0:29:36.980 critics have assessed. And I think that's a really great thing. But, 0:29:36.980 --> 0:29:41.180 for example, the Gospel of John is one is considered 0:29:41.180 --> 0:29:44.820 the latest gospel. Most people believe it was written about 95, 0:29:45.380 --> 0:29:50.700 90 to 95. And we have the John Rylands document. 0:29:50.700 --> 0:29:55.739 It's a fragment in Coptic, not even in Greek, the 0:29:55.740 --> 0:29:58.940 original language. It's a fragment from the Gospel of John 0:29:58.940 --> 0:30:06.340 found in Egypt, not in Israel. And it's dated about 125, 120, 0:30:06.380 --> 0:30:11.740 something like that. Some people even say earlier. Now, the 0:30:11.740 --> 0:30:15.300 point about that is, if the Gospel of John was 0:30:15.300 --> 0:30:17.860 not written to 300. How do we have a fragment 0:30:17.860 --> 0:30:20.220 of the Gospel of John in a different language that's 0:30:20.260 --> 0:30:23.380 already been translated in a different location, from a different 0:30:23.380 --> 0:30:28.460 from where it was written? I mean, that's ludicrous. We 0:30:28.460 --> 0:30:34.140 have this fragment. Also, there are many, many papyri. A 0:30:34.180 --> 0:30:39.580 papyrus was sort of a writing paper that was used 0:30:39.740 --> 0:30:42.739 in Egypt, and because of the dry climate there, it 0:30:42.740 --> 0:30:47.459 was preserved. And we have papyri of the New Testament 0:30:47.620 --> 0:30:51.220 from much earlier, from the late first century and early 0:30:51.220 --> 0:30:56.460 second century. And, and it shows that the critics, who 0:30:56.900 --> 0:30:59.459 mostly in the mid 19th century, wanted to redate the 0:30:59.460 --> 0:31:04.100 New Testament as 304 hundred were completely wrong, because all 0:31:04.100 --> 0:31:10.660 the fragments we have the papyri from Egypt from late 0:31:10.660 --> 0:31:14.500 first century, early second century, but I would say redating 0:31:14.500 --> 0:31:17.950 the New Testament by John A.T. Robinson, which deals with the. 0:31:17.990 --> 0:31:19.830 It's about a 50 year old book, but it deals 0:31:19.830 --> 0:31:23.790 with 20 20th century evidence of the early books of 0:31:23.790 --> 0:31:24.790 the New Testament. 0:31:25.510 --> 0:31:28.870 Thank you for that resource. Thank you. We also have 0:31:28.870 --> 0:31:34.790 a question from Jennifer in Illinois. She says that the story, 0:31:34.870 --> 0:31:37.630 she wonders, is the story of Jonah real when it 0:31:37.630 --> 0:31:42.070 comes to him being swallowed by the whale or large fish? 0:31:43.910 --> 0:31:50.230 Is the story of Jonah wrong? Hmm. Ah. You know, 0:31:50.230 --> 0:31:53.430 people get all worked up that there was a miracle 0:31:53.430 --> 0:31:57.510 that Jonah survived, right? But, you know, the parting of 0:31:57.510 --> 0:32:01.110 the Red sea. Big miracle. Resurrection of Lazarus. Big miracle. 0:32:03.550 --> 0:32:07.110 If you believe in a God of creation, that God 0:32:07.110 --> 0:32:12.150 can create the world with a word. Uh, then certainly 0:32:12.870 --> 0:32:15.750 Jonah could have been real and that story could be true. 0:32:16.070 --> 0:32:18.910 And I believe it is now. I guess in terms 0:32:18.910 --> 0:32:24.710 of genre, when the Bible has narrative story, it doesn't 0:32:24.710 --> 0:32:28.070 present it as myth in the sense of, oh, this 0:32:28.190 --> 0:32:32.230 is just a story. It's not a just so story. Uh, 0:32:32.430 --> 0:32:37.310 like Rudyard Kipling did. It's not Greek mythology. What it is, 0:32:37.830 --> 0:32:42.950 is it's factual. It states as fact what happened? Uh, 0:32:43.070 --> 0:32:47.590 now it's certainly, uh, composed in such a way to 0:32:47.630 --> 0:32:52.750 communicate a message. There's no doubt about that. But it 0:32:52.750 --> 0:32:56.670 is not. It is taken as at face value as true. 0:32:56.910 --> 0:33:00.270 And so, in light of that being the nature of 0:33:00.390 --> 0:33:03.710 Hebrew narrative, uh, in the Bible, I would say that 0:33:03.710 --> 0:33:08.030 the story of Jonah, particularly the narrative portions, should be 0:33:08.030 --> 0:33:11.070 accepted as factual and that Jonah really was a person, 0:33:11.070 --> 0:33:13.160 especially when you think about the Lord Jesus. He talks 0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:15.880 about Jonah like a real person. Uh, I think he 0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:20.400 would know if he wasn't so. So I would say, yeah, uh, yeah, 0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:22.120 we should take it at face value. 0:33:22.600 --> 0:33:26.719 Thank you so much for that question. We have another question. 0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:30.320 And this one is from Sheila in North Carolina. Listening 0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:35.120 through what she is reading a book about communion. And 0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:38.120 she says there are, um, are there scriptures that says 0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:41.440 communion has the power to heal us and that we 0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:44.200 should take communion or that we should take communion to 0:33:44.200 --> 0:33:47.600 be healed? And then also, is communion supposed to be 0:33:47.600 --> 0:33:50.200 taken with only your blood family, or is it to 0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:52.520 be taken with the body of Christ? 0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:57.480 Well, first of all, the easier question is the second one, uh, 0:33:57.480 --> 0:34:01.120 or the gentler answer is first Corinthians 11 teaches that 0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:05.320 it's a fellowship meal for believers. So we take it 0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:10.400 in the in our congregations together with other followers of Jesus. Um. Uh, 0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:16.239 the she she bases this on a book called The 0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:20.320 Power of Communion Assessing miracles through the Body and Blood 0:34:20.320 --> 0:34:26.319 of Jesus. Um, now, let me just say, first of all, 0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:28.799 the Bible tells us what the purpose of communion is, 0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:36.760 and it never says it's healing. The Bible says, uh, that, uh. 0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:43.480 Jesus said, do this in remembrance of me. So the 0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:45.680 point of it, just like a Passover meal, which is 0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:48.920 this the the Lord's Supper is rooted in the Passover meal, 0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:56.680 just as in the same way, uh, uh, the Passover 0:34:56.680 --> 0:34:59.879 was a memorial meal. So the Lord's Supper is a 0:34:59.880 --> 0:35:05.040 memorial meal. It's to remember, uh, the Lord's death and 0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:09.960 resurrection implied, uh, until he comes. So we do this 0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:14.120 in remembrance of him. It's a proclaim. It's a proclamation meal. 0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:17.359 It proclaims our faith because we show forth the Lord's death. 0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:21.239 Until he comes. We proclaim. We proclaim his death and 0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:26.160 resurrection and return with this meal. So we're remembering and 0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:31.239 we're proclaiming by taking it. There's nothing in Scripture that 0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:38.680 would say that, uh, communion heals us. Uh, there's a 0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:43.319 book review by Ben Johnson on this book called The 0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:47.040 Power of Communion. And the book review Ben Johnson says 0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:52.239 he quotes Spurgeon. Spurgeon says discernment is not knowing the 0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:56.960 difference between right. This is what the quote that he 0:35:56.960 --> 0:36:00.080 has of Spurgeon. Discernment is not knowing the difference between 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:02.839 right and wrong. It's knowing the difference between right and 0:36:02.840 --> 0:36:08.290 almost right. Now, what I think is funny is that 0:36:08.530 --> 0:36:14.770 this author who wrote the review said, unfortunately, there's nothing 0:36:14.770 --> 0:36:18.770 even almost right in this book. It is utterly and 0:36:18.770 --> 0:36:26.610 completely wrong and don't even waste a minute on reading it. Uh. 0:36:26.810 --> 0:36:32.370 The power of communion. Uh. Waste of time. Totally unbiblical. So. Okay. 0:36:32.969 --> 0:36:34.010 Thank you so much. 0:36:34.489 --> 0:36:38.609 You know, before we, uh, break here, I do want 0:36:38.690 --> 0:36:40.770 to say thank you for being part of the team 0:36:40.770 --> 0:36:44.610 to hear you're here. Even when Tricia is, uh, you 0:36:44.650 --> 0:36:47.610 do so much, uh, to help out during the week. 0:36:47.610 --> 0:36:50.410 And I appreciate how much you do on all these 0:36:50.410 --> 0:36:53.250 different moody radio programs. And I really appreciate you being 0:36:53.250 --> 0:36:55.850 part of the Open Line team, as is Lisa, who's 0:36:55.850 --> 0:37:00.410 there today. Uh, I think it is just a great help. 0:37:00.410 --> 0:37:05.370 And I appreciate Omar, who keeps keeps me sounding good 0:37:05.410 --> 0:37:08.890 and keeps me from cutting off and other things like that. 0:37:08.930 --> 0:37:12.930 Omar Mendoza's great team member and I appreciate every listener. 0:37:12.930 --> 0:37:14.890 I think a listener is part of the team too. 0:37:15.050 --> 0:37:17.049 You know, what would we do if we had this 0:37:17.050 --> 0:37:20.010 program and no one was listening? No one was calling? Uh, 0:37:20.130 --> 0:37:23.250 it is amazing and I'm grateful for that. 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We're 0:38:37.219 --> 0:38:39.660 going to come right back with more of your called 0:38:39.660 --> 0:38:42.779 in questions, not your mailed in questions in just a moment. 0:38:42.980 --> 0:38:45.180 You're listening to Open Line with Michael Ray Melnick to 0:38:45.219 --> 0:38:49.060 hear Haynes. And we'll be right back. More Bible study 0:38:49.060 --> 0:39:01.100 across America. America coming up straight ahead. Welcome back to 0:39:01.140 --> 0:39:03.779 Open Line. My name is Michael Radonich. I've had a 0:39:03.780 --> 0:39:06.540 great time with you this morning studying the Bible together. 0:39:06.900 --> 0:39:11.180 People frequently ask questions about the Jewish people and Israel. 0:39:11.180 --> 0:39:12.980 I see we have a caller that we hope we 0:39:12.980 --> 0:39:16.299 can get on the air. Who has a question about that? Uh, 0:39:17.700 --> 0:39:19.660 where do the Jewish people fit in the plan of God? 0:39:19.660 --> 0:39:22.980 Are they still the chosen people? Well Chosen People Ministries, 0:39:22.980 --> 0:39:26.140 one of our radio partners, is offering a free book, 0:39:26.180 --> 0:39:29.660 Why Israel? It explores the topic of Israel through the 0:39:29.660 --> 0:39:33.020 lens of Scripture as the church replaced Israel and the 0:39:33.020 --> 0:39:35.980 plan of God. Does ethnic Israel still have a future? 0:39:36.260 --> 0:39:39.819 What should we think about Israel today? These questions and 0:39:39.820 --> 0:39:43.140 more are answered in this book. Why Israel? For a 0:39:43.140 --> 0:39:47.980 free copy, just go to our website openline. radio.org. Scroll 0:39:47.980 --> 0:39:50.899 down until you see the link that says A free 0:39:50.940 --> 0:39:54.700 gift from Chosen People Ministries. Click on that. You'll be 0:39:54.700 --> 0:39:56.779 taken to a page where you can sign up for 0:39:56.780 --> 0:40:05.630 your own copy of Why Israel? We're going to talk 0:40:05.630 --> 0:40:10.430 to Claudio in Skokie, Illinois, listening on WNBA. Welcome to 0:40:10.469 --> 0:40:12.350 Open Line, Claudio. How can I help you? 0:40:12.390 --> 0:40:15.549 Thank you, thank you. Doctor? Doctor. Uh, yeah. So my 0:40:15.550 --> 0:40:19.469 question is, um, as we're, you know, growing up in 0:40:19.510 --> 0:40:22.509 a Christian family or Christian church, and we're taught to 0:40:22.510 --> 0:40:25.710 fear the Lord, uh, as we mature and we accept 0:40:25.710 --> 0:40:28.030 the Lord as savior and we mature. Does that fear 0:40:28.510 --> 0:40:31.910 get replaced more by love? And I'm thinking, because of 0:40:31.950 --> 0:40:35.430 the passage in one John that says that perfect love 0:40:35.469 --> 0:40:38.590 casts out fear. So what fear of the Lord should 0:40:38.590 --> 0:40:41.030 we have as we mature in him? 0:40:42.430 --> 0:40:45.790 Well, first John 418 is what you're talking about. That's 0:40:45.790 --> 0:40:48.630 what I was heading for as you were starting to talk. 0:40:48.830 --> 0:40:52.310 There's no fear in love. Instead, perfect love drives out 0:40:52.310 --> 0:40:58.990 fear because fear involves punishment. So the one who fears 0:40:58.989 --> 0:41:02.190 has not reached perfection. in love. We love because he 0:41:02.190 --> 0:41:04.509 first loved us. Well, that's just talking about that. We 0:41:04.550 --> 0:41:09.110 don't have that servile, cringing fear of God that others 0:41:09.110 --> 0:41:12.270 would have standing before a holy God. We stand before 0:41:12.310 --> 0:41:15.190 a father who loves us one day. 0:41:15.230 --> 0:41:17.750 Okay, okay, that makes sense. 0:41:18.510 --> 0:41:21.350 And it's it's that's what it's saying. On the one hand, 0:41:21.550 --> 0:41:27.630 there isn't that kind of fear, that servile, terrified, uh, 0:41:27.950 --> 0:41:31.469 breathtaking fear. On the other hand, there's a verse that 0:41:31.469 --> 0:41:35.750 I want to encourage you to consider. Uh, it says 0:41:35.790 --> 0:41:40.910 in first Peter one, if you address as father the 0:41:40.910 --> 0:41:44.830 one who judges impartially based on each one's work, you 0:41:44.830 --> 0:41:47.469 are to conduct yourselves in fear during the time of 0:41:47.469 --> 0:41:50.830 your temporary residence, your time on earth. For you know 0:41:51.030 --> 0:41:53.590 that you were redeemed from your empty way of life, 0:41:53.590 --> 0:41:57.510 inherited from the fathers, not with perishable things like silver 0:41:57.510 --> 0:42:02.879 or gold, with the precious blood of of Messiah. Like 0:42:02.880 --> 0:42:07.799 the lamb without defect or blemish. Uh. So the one 0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:09.960 who called you is holy or to be holy. And 0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:12.600 if you address as father the one who judges impartially 0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:15.359 based on each one's work, you are to conduct yourselves 0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:18.720 in fear. What does that mean? If we're if perfect 0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:22.880 love drives out fear. That servile fear. How do we 0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:26.320 have fear of God the Father who loves us? Well, 0:42:27.280 --> 0:42:32.560 I think there's a a genuine recognition that even as 0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:36.520 a child of God, he could discipline me, and I, 0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:40.240 I don't want to be disciplined. I would rather, uh, 0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:44.560 not face correction for wrongdoing. How about you, Claudia? 0:42:46.000 --> 0:42:47.040 Yes, that that. 0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:49.560 That's a healthy fear. Don't you think that's a healthy 0:42:49.560 --> 0:42:54.200 fear to have? Uh, my son, I preach first Peter one. 0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:56.920 My son was listening. He was about eight years old. 0:42:56.920 --> 0:43:00.160 We went for a bike ride that afternoon. He said, dad, 0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:06.120 how come you said we should fear God because you 0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:08.879 know God loves us? That's the very question he had. 0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:11.800 And it was that passage in first Peter one. And 0:43:11.800 --> 0:43:15.200 I said to him, well, uh, do I love you? Yes. 0:43:15.200 --> 0:43:18.000 Are you afraid of me? He said, absolutely not. I said, 0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:21.920 what if you told a lie? He said, oh, you'd 0:43:21.920 --> 0:43:24.800 really give it to me. And I thought, yeah, he's right. 0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:28.600 And he does have a fear of fear of me. 0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:32.080 It's a healthy fear. So what I would say is, uh, 0:43:32.080 --> 0:43:35.360 first John 418 is saying that perfect love casts out unhealthy, 0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:38.640 servile fear. But if we love the father and we 0:43:38.640 --> 0:43:41.600 want to be holy, uh, then we have a healthy 0:43:41.600 --> 0:43:45.120 fear of what he expects of us. Don't you think? 0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:47.040 Yes, I appreciate that. 0:43:47.040 --> 0:43:47.800 Thank you so much. 0:43:47.840 --> 0:43:48.280 Yeah. 0:43:48.440 --> 0:43:52.040 Okay. Thanks, Claudia. Appreciate that. We're going to talk to 0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:57.410 Teresa in Georgia. Uh, who is listening, I guess, on 0:43:57.410 --> 0:43:59.370 the app. Welcome to Open Line. Theresa. How can I 0:43:59.370 --> 0:43:59.810 help you? 0:44:01.290 --> 0:44:07.290 Hi. Well, I had the comment about the Book of Enoch. 0:44:08.610 --> 0:44:10.730 Well, just go ahead. And we're really running up against 0:44:10.730 --> 0:44:12.890 the clock, so why don't you just go ask your question? 0:44:12.930 --> 0:44:13.850 I just, I just. 0:44:13.850 --> 0:44:18.569 Think it's very, uh, knowledgeable to open eyes from the 0:44:18.570 --> 0:44:22.770 Ethiopian standpoint, which is not in the King James Version. 0:44:22.810 --> 0:44:27.650 And it speaks more vividly about heaven. 0:44:27.690 --> 0:44:30.450 Okay. Wait, wait. Theresa is your is your question is, 0:44:30.489 --> 0:44:33.489 is the Book of Enoch in the Bible? 0:44:34.450 --> 0:44:35.210 It's not. 0:44:36.130 --> 0:44:36.610 Okay. 0:44:36.650 --> 0:44:36.930 It is. 0:44:36.930 --> 0:44:37.610 Not. Uh. 0:44:38.010 --> 0:44:41.049 Well, good. Well, it's, uh, it's not in the Bible. 0:44:41.050 --> 0:44:45.050 It is not inspired, uh, and it is not something 0:44:45.050 --> 0:44:49.850 that should be considered authoritative. Uh, and so I would 0:44:49.850 --> 0:44:52.330 just caution you about reading that. I, you know, it's 0:44:52.330 --> 0:44:54.969 hard enough to read the Bible every day. Stick with 0:44:55.090 --> 0:44:58.009 the Bible. I think it'll be better for us. Okay. 0:44:58.890 --> 0:45:01.330 But it does stick with the Bible. That's the whole point. 0:45:01.890 --> 0:45:05.570 Well, I don't think so. Appreciate you, Teresa, but no, 0:45:05.610 --> 0:45:09.090 I'm just saying stick with the Bible. You're you're going 0:45:09.090 --> 0:45:12.410 to do better with that if you stick with the word. Uh, 0:45:12.410 --> 0:45:14.529 we're going to quickly talk to Kirk. Kirk, go ahead 0:45:14.530 --> 0:45:18.210 and ask your question, because we're we only have about 30s. 0:45:19.370 --> 0:45:23.009 Okay. You opened the show with the information about the 0:45:23.050 --> 0:45:25.969 things against Israel and the Jewish people. My son has 0:45:25.969 --> 0:45:28.810 been doing a dig for a couple of years, and 0:45:28.810 --> 0:45:33.930 he's believing that, uh, uh, the Jews that are in 0:45:33.930 --> 0:45:38.410 Israel are not true Jews, uh, that the Jewish people 0:45:38.530 --> 0:45:44.089 are not God's chosen people, uh, that there's no rapture. 0:45:44.130 --> 0:45:47.130 He's been following some people and reading books and so forth. 0:45:47.170 --> 0:45:49.370 And what do I do to talk to him? 0:45:51.090 --> 0:45:54.980 Well, uh, I'm sorry that he's fallen into this, uh, 0:45:55.580 --> 0:46:00.379 anti-Semitic hole. I'm really, really sorry about that. Uh, I 0:46:00.420 --> 0:46:02.460 think the best thing to do maybe pick up that 0:46:02.460 --> 0:46:05.060 book from chosen people, Israel. And they also have one 0:46:05.100 --> 0:46:09.340 called Why the Jewish People? That would be a great gift, 0:46:09.340 --> 0:46:12.020 maybe to deal with him, uh, and help him or 0:46:12.020 --> 0:46:14.299 help you understand what he's saying. 0:46:14.860 --> 0:46:18.380 We can read him. Yeah. Great. Thanks for your call, Kirk. 0:46:18.420 --> 0:46:20.140 Sorry about the shortness of time. 0:46:20.380 --> 0:46:21.140 That's okay. 0:46:21.900 --> 0:46:24.820 That's the program for the week. I can't can't believe 0:46:24.820 --> 0:46:30.500 how quickly, uh, this show has gone. Really appreciate you listening. 0:46:30.500 --> 0:46:32.700 And all of you who called or wrote in. Thanks 0:46:32.700 --> 0:46:36.100 to Tahira and Omar and everyone that checked, checked out 0:46:36.100 --> 0:46:38.820 and helped us get through the program. Keep reading the Bible. 0:46:38.820 --> 0:46:42.060 We'll talk about it next week. 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