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S3: Carl and crew. And we've got an interesting week here,

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S3: Yeah. So we want you to get loaded up with

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S3: some questions for our special guest, Susie Larson, best selling author,

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S3: national speaker. Really a contagious woman of God. My bride.

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S3: right now. Good morning. Susie. How are you, young lady?

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S5: Good morning friends. Well, you just made my day. Calling

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S5: That's such a great question, Carl. You know, Scripture talks

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S5: Yes. Okay. And I pray, friends, you don't get whiplash,

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S2: Ask the Experts week with Carl and crew.

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S3: It's Carl and crew that's helping you take your next

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S4: Absolutely, Susie. Go ahead.

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S5: Then I would agree, Karl, that there would be. But again,

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S4: It's someone who's struggling with forgiveness. Uh, this text says

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S5: don't forgive, you're not forgiven. This is a very big deal,

442
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,520
S5: but it is also a battleground that's soaked with the

443
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,879
S5: precious blood of the Lord Jesus and all the saints

444
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,720
S5: who've gone before us, who've had to forgive. So there's

445
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,359
S5: three aspects here I want to talk to you about.

446
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,880
S5: One is you do need some trauma help, and everybody does.

447
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,879
S5: Everybody goes through trauma. This is significant. So I'm praying

448
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,480
S5: that you find a counselor to sort through the trauma,

449
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,720
S5: because it would be absolutely wrong for me to sit

450
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,800
S5: here and say, you just got to forgive him. It's

451
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,840
S5: just not that easy. When you've got offense upon offense

452
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,640
S5: upon offense, you need to deal with just what it's

453
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,560
S5: done to your soul, what it's cost you and that

454
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,840
S5: accuser that's going to rehearse and rehash to the point

455
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,439
S5: that justifies your attitude. Someone who helps you cast a

456
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,280
S5: vision for what does God have for you in this

457
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,840
S5: next season? And then forgiveness is like hot potato. You

458
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,480
S5: offer it up in obedience. You don't have to feel

459
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,250
S5: like forgiving. You do it because you fear God and

460
00:22:23,250 --> 00:22:25,490
S5: you want more for your life, and you keep offering

461
00:22:25,490 --> 00:22:29,010
S5: it up. So that's the other thing is when you decide,

462
00:22:29,010 --> 00:22:32,169
S5: because I fear God, I'm going to obey God and

463
00:22:32,170 --> 00:22:34,850
S5: I'm going to walk through this process. So the third thing,

464
00:22:35,130 --> 00:22:36,770
S5: I hope it's okay to say this, but it's the

465
00:22:36,770 --> 00:22:40,530
S5: best process of forgiveness I know of. And my show,

466
00:22:40,530 --> 00:22:42,810
S5: it's a good friend of mine, Melissa Coleman. He's a

467
00:22:42,810 --> 00:22:46,250
S5: lawyer and God showed her legally, like how to forgive

468
00:22:46,250 --> 00:22:50,369
S5: someone spiritually in a way that disentangles you. Because she says,

469
00:22:50,369 --> 00:22:54,410
S5: as long as you're walking in harboring your offense, the

470
00:22:54,410 --> 00:22:57,530
S5: enemy gets to triangulate in that relationship. He gets a

471
00:22:57,530 --> 00:23:00,450
S5: voice in the relationship, and he gets to keep stealing

472
00:23:00,450 --> 00:23:04,010
S5: from you. And she created something called a mercy trial.

473
00:23:04,010 --> 00:23:06,810
S5: In essence, she has you write down, you don't just say,

474
00:23:06,810 --> 00:23:08,450
S5: I forgive you for all the bad things you did

475
00:23:08,450 --> 00:23:12,050
S5: to me. You. It's almost like, uh, what is the word?

476
00:23:12,050 --> 00:23:14,690
S5: I can't remember what what lawyers do. Inquisition, I can't remember.

477
00:23:14,690 --> 00:23:16,930
S5: But anyway, they take, they do kind of an intake.

478
00:23:17,090 --> 00:23:19,210
S5: So she she she gave me a pad of paper.

479
00:23:19,250 --> 00:23:21,580
S5: Did those boys pull your hair? Yes. Did they punch

480
00:23:21,580 --> 00:23:24,180
S5: you in the face? Yes. Did they push you down? Yes.

481
00:23:24,180 --> 00:23:27,179
S5: So I wrote everything down that they did. And she

482
00:23:27,180 --> 00:23:29,939
S5: says you bring that before the Lord. And you say,

483
00:23:30,100 --> 00:23:34,020
S5: these people did these things to me, and they're guilty

484
00:23:34,020 --> 00:23:36,660
S5: and deserving of punishment. And then you look above those

485
00:23:36,660 --> 00:23:39,020
S5: things to the Lord. You say, but, Lord, because of

486
00:23:39,020 --> 00:23:42,100
S5: the mercy that I have received from you, I extend

487
00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:44,140
S5: mercy to them. I forgive them, and I not just

488
00:23:44,140 --> 00:23:47,780
S5: forgive them. I release mercy to them which disentangles me

489
00:23:47,780 --> 00:23:50,859
S5: from the enemy. I will no longer triangulate with him

490
00:23:50,900 --> 00:23:53,420
S5: when it comes to my present or my future. I'm

491
00:23:53,420 --> 00:23:56,100
S5: just giving you a quick synopsis. But her process of

492
00:23:56,100 --> 00:23:59,540
S5: walking people through forgiveness, they are literally getting free. So

493
00:23:59,540 --> 00:24:01,620
S5: if you go wherever podcasts are played and just type

494
00:24:01,619 --> 00:24:05,379
S5: in Susie Larson, Mercy Trials or Susie Larson, Melissa Coleman,

495
00:24:05,540 --> 00:24:07,899
S5: I think it will help you. But I would friend

496
00:24:07,940 --> 00:24:10,540
S5: be so committed to your freedom for the sake of

497
00:24:10,540 --> 00:24:13,540
S5: your calling and your children's calling. If you have faith

498
00:24:13,540 --> 00:24:16,820
S5: in God, you can know he'll restore what that enemy's stolen.

499
00:24:16,859 --> 00:24:19,830
S5: He will redeem what the enemy has destroyed. So take

500
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:22,390
S5: the power away from your husband. Don't let him have

501
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:26,230
S5: the voice in the story anymore. And a bigger story.

502
00:24:26,270 --> 00:24:29,149
S5: Don't let the enemy have a voice and determine. Because

503
00:24:29,150 --> 00:24:31,550
S5: your fear of God and your love for your family,

504
00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:33,429
S5: you're going to move into a better place. It's not

505
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:35,990
S5: going to be easy, but it's the only path that's

506
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:36,750
S5: worth taking.

507
00:24:37,470 --> 00:24:40,869
S4: Susie Larson, our guest this morning, bestselling author, national speaker.

508
00:24:40,869 --> 00:24:43,230
S4: If you want more on Susie, she's got a book

509
00:24:43,270 --> 00:24:45,710
S4: out Waking Up to the Goodness of God. You can

510
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:51,990
S4: link to her website podcast. Just text good to (800) 555-7898.

511
00:24:52,030 --> 00:24:56,470
S4: Text good to 800 555 7898.

512
00:24:57,670 --> 00:25:00,830
S2: Get to know the team behind the scenes. Follow Carl

513
00:25:00,830 --> 00:25:02,990
S2: and crew on Facebook and Instagram.

514
00:25:03,030 --> 00:25:05,830
S4: You know, for every question that's been asked this morning,

515
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:08,870
S4: you know that there are hundreds, maybe thousands of people

516
00:25:08,869 --> 00:25:12,109
S4: going through the exact same thing, even though sometimes it

517
00:25:12,109 --> 00:25:14,350
S4: feels like we're alone in whatever it is we're dealing

518
00:25:14,350 --> 00:25:18,200
S4: with so many people facing battling the same thing. We've

519
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,920
S4: got an anonymous caller this morning from Ohio. Anonymous. Go

520
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,800
S4: ahead and give us your question for Susie.

521
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:29,919
S9: Hi, Susie. Good morning. Um, my question this morning is, um,

522
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,080
S9: I've been through a lot of trauma throughout my whole life.

523
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:40,280
S9: I'm actually 59 years old today, and I just wonder.

524
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:42,320
S9: I'm sorry.

525
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,919
S4: She said happy birthday, anonymous. Oh.

526
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:50,040
S9: Thank you. Thank you. I just wonder, is this how

527
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:55,000
S9: it's always going to be like trauma after trauma? Um.

528
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:03,879
S9: I've had I lost my parents at a young age. Um,

529
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:10,440
S9: I've been through two divorces. I'm currently in an unhappy marriage,

530
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:20,859
S9: and I had A relationship of several years ago. And he.

531
00:26:23,220 --> 00:26:27,540
S9: I gave him to, um. I gave him anyway. I

532
00:26:27,540 --> 00:26:31,139
S9: believed he was coming to meet me, and we were

533
00:26:31,140 --> 00:26:34,740
S9: going to be together. We were in love, I thought,

534
00:26:34,740 --> 00:26:40,340
S9: and that never happened. And I just kept sending them money.

535
00:26:40,340 --> 00:26:43,940
S9: And I feel bad about that. It's hard to forgive

536
00:26:43,940 --> 00:26:45,020
S9: myself for that.

537
00:26:45,260 --> 00:26:47,500
S4: Yeah. Anonymous from Ohio. I want to make sure we

538
00:26:47,500 --> 00:26:50,860
S4: get time for Susan to answer your question. Susie. Go ahead.

539
00:26:52,420 --> 00:26:54,340
S5: I want to just start by praying for you. If

540
00:26:54,340 --> 00:26:56,820
S5: I could, father, I lift up my dear sister to you,

541
00:26:56,820 --> 00:26:59,939
S5: and I thank you, Lord. Um, I think of the

542
00:27:00,140 --> 00:27:03,939
S5: the woman caught in adultery brought before people that would, uh,

543
00:27:03,940 --> 00:27:06,340
S5: wanted to accuse her. Really, what they wanted to do

544
00:27:06,340 --> 00:27:10,100
S5: was accuse you. And, Lord, you're in your wisdom, said you,

545
00:27:10,140 --> 00:27:13,510
S5: without sin cast the first stone, and, uh. The and

546
00:27:13,630 --> 00:27:15,790
S5: and then he said, where are your accusers? Neither do

547
00:27:15,790 --> 00:27:18,310
S5: I condemn you. Go and sin no more. What? The

548
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:21,390
S5: amazing thing about belonging to you, Lord, is there's new

549
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:26,389
S5: morning mercies. There are new beginnings every day. And let

550
00:27:26,390 --> 00:27:29,350
S5: me ask you, have you trusted Jesus? And I don't

551
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:31,030
S5: mean to put you on the spot, but this makes

552
00:27:31,030 --> 00:27:33,590
S5: the conversation a different one. But have you come to

553
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:36,469
S5: a place where you've truly trusted Jesus for your eternity,

554
00:27:37,030 --> 00:27:39,230
S5: for your salvation, to pay for your sins?

555
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:46,990
S9: I believe I have. Um. Sometimes I wonder about that too.

556
00:27:47,030 --> 00:27:54,669
S9: I doubt my. You know, being saved. Um, because I

557
00:27:54,670 --> 00:27:57,270
S9: don't see anything changing around me.

558
00:27:58,470 --> 00:28:01,990
S5: So if you were to if you were to if

559
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:04,990
S5: this is a very basic and common question in this conversation.

560
00:28:04,990 --> 00:28:07,590
S5: But if you were to come to Jesus tonight, if

561
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:11,800
S5: you were to die tonight and face the gates of Heaven.

562
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,800
S5: And let's say an angel was standing there going, why

563
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,159
S5: should you be allowed in? What would your answer be?

564
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:27,840
S9: Because I love Jesus. I love my father, God in heaven. Um, I,

565
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,399
S9: you know, I am a Christian. I do go to

566
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,720
S9: mass every week. I do pray.

567
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,600
S5: And so I might just just because we don't have

568
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,920
S5: a ton of time, I want to say, the truth is,

569
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,840
S5: the only thing that would open that door is not

570
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,720
S5: because of what you've done, but because of what Jesus did.

571
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,840
S5: You would stand there and say, because of what Jesus

572
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,680
S5: did on the cross is my only only reason I

573
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,960
S5: get to have eternity with him. It's what he's done,

574
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,520
S5: and I've received that gift as my own. And the

575
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,200
S5: reason this is an important question because the enemy can

576
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,760
S5: accuse you all day long. And if you've not trusted

577
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,920
S5: Jesus for salvation, the enemy is right. I mean, even

578
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,850
S5: though he's a liar. We're condemned without Jesus. But if

579
00:29:12,890 --> 00:29:15,330
S5: you are in Christ and you know there was a

580
00:29:15,330 --> 00:29:19,090
S5: moment where you said, I cannot do this, I'm a sinner,

581
00:29:19,090 --> 00:29:21,690
S5: I need a Savior. I can't save myself. I've tried

582
00:29:21,690 --> 00:29:24,209
S5: to be good. You know, going to church doesn't save you.

583
00:29:24,210 --> 00:29:27,210
S5: It's important, but it doesn't save you. Acknowledging that God

584
00:29:27,210 --> 00:29:29,850
S5: is real and Jesus is real are important, but they

585
00:29:29,850 --> 00:29:33,090
S5: don't save you. The Bible says, for by grace we

586
00:29:33,090 --> 00:29:36,570
S5: are saved through faith, not of ourselves. It's a gift

587
00:29:36,570 --> 00:29:39,170
S5: from God, not a result of works. So nothing you've

588
00:29:39,170 --> 00:29:42,450
S5: done so no one can brag about being saved. So

589
00:29:42,450 --> 00:29:44,930
S5: the truth is, you come to a transactional moment where

590
00:29:44,930 --> 00:29:48,370
S5: you say, I'm a sinner, I need a savior. I

591
00:29:48,370 --> 00:29:50,490
S5: believe you lived and died. It says, if you believe

592
00:29:50,490 --> 00:29:52,970
S5: with your heart and you confess with your mouth, Jesus

593
00:29:52,970 --> 00:29:55,890
S5: is Lord, you will be saved. So can we pray

594
00:29:55,890 --> 00:29:58,530
S5: that prayer together? If you're ready, can we pray? Unless

595
00:29:58,530 --> 00:29:59,610
S5: you feel like you already.

596
00:30:01,210 --> 00:30:03,530
S9: Yes, I am ready. I would love that.

597
00:30:04,650 --> 00:30:06,850
S5: This is you know, this is not a formulaic prayer.

598
00:30:06,850 --> 00:30:09,700
S5: So you know someone saying these things and not meaning

599
00:30:09,700 --> 00:30:12,420
S5: these things does nothing. But if in your heart and

600
00:30:12,420 --> 00:30:14,740
S5: soul you feel like I've tried it on my own,

601
00:30:14,740 --> 00:30:17,620
S5: I cannot fix my life. I want not only to

602
00:30:17,660 --> 00:30:20,860
S5: know that I'm eternally secure, but I want to live

603
00:30:20,860 --> 00:30:22,620
S5: in the land of the living, with the presence of

604
00:30:22,620 --> 00:30:24,860
S5: God and the promises of God before me. If you

605
00:30:24,860 --> 00:30:26,900
S5: believe that in your heart and soul, then just repeat

606
00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:28,219
S5: after me, dear Jesus.

607
00:30:29,900 --> 00:30:30,780
S9: Dear Jesus.

608
00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:32,500
S5: There you go. I am a sinner.

609
00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:35,380
S9: I am a sinner.

610
00:30:35,900 --> 00:30:37,180
S5: I need a savior.

611
00:30:38,980 --> 00:30:40,300
S9: I need a Savior.

612
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:46,740
S5: I believe. I believe that you lived and died.

613
00:30:48,780 --> 00:30:50,460
S9: That you lived and died.

614
00:30:50,980 --> 00:30:52,100
S5: And you rose again.

615
00:30:53,780 --> 00:30:54,980
S9: And you rose again.

616
00:30:55,500 --> 00:30:57,300
S5: You defeated sin and death.

617
00:30:58,700 --> 00:31:00,620
S9: You defeated sin and death.

618
00:31:00,860 --> 00:31:02,060
S5: And you did it for me.

619
00:31:03,780 --> 00:31:04,980
S9: You did it for me.

620
00:31:05,940 --> 00:31:09,030
S5: I'm a sinner. I need a savior. Come into my life.

621
00:31:11,910 --> 00:31:18,870
S9: I'm a sinner. I need a Savior. Come into my life.

622
00:31:19,550 --> 00:31:20,990
S5: Forgive me of my sins.

623
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:24,550
S9: Forgive me of my sins.

624
00:31:25,070 --> 00:31:27,350
S5: Cleanse me from all unrighteousness.

625
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:31,710
S9: Cleanse me from all unrighteousness.

626
00:31:32,670 --> 00:31:33,750
S5: Heal my soul.

627
00:31:36,790 --> 00:31:38,030
S9: You know my soul.

628
00:31:38,270 --> 00:31:39,430
S5: And make me whole.

629
00:31:41,670 --> 00:31:43,030
S9: And make me whole.

630
00:31:43,510 --> 00:31:44,910
S5: Fill me with your spirit.

631
00:31:47,150 --> 00:31:48,790
S9: Fill me with your spirit.

632
00:31:49,310 --> 00:31:51,390
S5: I confess Jesus is Lord.

633
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:55,630
S9: I confess Jesus is Lord.

634
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:56,950
S5: He is my king.

635
00:31:58,710 --> 00:32:05,040
S9: He is my King, my Savior, my Savior, my deliver,

636
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:07,640
S9: my deliverer.

637
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:08,880
S5: And my defender.

638
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:11,520
S9: And my defender.

639
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,720
S5: My eternity is secure.

640
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,680
S9: My eternity is secure.

641
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,000
S5: I am saved.

642
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,240
S9: I am saved.

643
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:24,480
S5: I am loved.

644
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,000
S9: I am loved.

645
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,040
S5: And I have a hope and a future.

646
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,600
S9: And I have a hope in the future.

647
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:34,880
S5: In Jesus name.

648
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:37,520
S9: Jesus name.

649
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:38,600
S5: Amen.

650
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:41,000
S9: Amen.

651
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,880
S5: Honey, if you could see what's happening in the heavens

652
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,160
S5: right now. If you prayed that with all your heart,

653
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,680
S5: and I believe you did, there is a party. Scripture

654
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,920
S5: says there's a celebration in heaven when one person repents

655
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,960
S5: and turns to God, and there's a supernatural transaction that's happened.

656
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:58,800
S5: Let me off if you have to, but I gotta

657
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,400
S5: explain this. Unless I need to go. But I want

658
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,890
S5: you to picture two tables when I speak at conferences,

659
00:33:03,890 --> 00:33:06,130
S5: I'll often have an orphan table and an air table

660
00:33:06,130 --> 00:33:08,770
S5: on the stage. The orphan tables are rickety old table

661
00:33:08,770 --> 00:33:11,330
S5: with a stale piece of bread. The air table looks

662
00:33:11,330 --> 00:33:15,290
S5: like something of royalty. Before you're saved in Christ Jesus,

663
00:33:15,450 --> 00:33:18,650
S5: you're stuck as a spiritual orphan. But when you trust

664
00:33:18,650 --> 00:33:21,290
S5: in Jesus, you are transferred out of the kingdom of

665
00:33:21,290 --> 00:33:24,130
S5: darkness into the kingdom of God's Son, and you are

666
00:33:24,130 --> 00:33:26,810
S5: now an heir of God. You are part of the family,

667
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S5: and no enemy can yank you from your place at

668
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S5: the table. He can accuse, he can harass, he can

669
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S5: steal your fruit. He can't touch your identity, he can't

670
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S5: touch your eternity. And so as you start to live

671
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S5: into the truth of who you are as a saved person,

672
00:33:40,650 --> 00:33:43,170
S5: and how many people can say they were saved on

673
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S5: their birthday? I mean, come on. But I challenge you now, friend.

674
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S5: Start reading the Bible. I would start in the Gospels.

675
00:33:49,210 --> 00:33:51,650
S5: In the New Testament. I would get into a Bible

676
00:33:51,690 --> 00:33:55,890
S5: believing church and surround yourself with people who are who

677
00:33:55,890 --> 00:33:58,850
S5: love Jesus and are serious about him. And I would

678
00:33:58,850 --> 00:34:02,140
S5: start to live, honey, with a heart of expectancy where

679
00:34:02,140 --> 00:34:05,380
S5: you say, Lord, every day I welcome your best for me.

680
00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:08,740
S5: I welcome your best for me. Give me eyes to see,

681
00:34:08,980 --> 00:34:11,660
S5: ears to hear. Heart to do your will. I welcome

682
00:34:11,660 --> 00:34:13,859
S5: your best for me. And I'm telling you, as you

683
00:34:13,860 --> 00:34:17,020
S5: start to look above your problems and you see yourself

684
00:34:17,020 --> 00:34:19,259
S5: as the heir of God, you are, your story is

685
00:34:19,260 --> 00:34:21,219
S5: going to start to change because you now have the

686
00:34:21,219 --> 00:34:23,339
S5: Spirit of God in you. And when you feel that

687
00:34:23,340 --> 00:34:25,620
S5: inner wince like, let's say you say something or you

688
00:34:25,620 --> 00:34:28,940
S5: believe something or you do something you shouldn't, you will

689
00:34:28,940 --> 00:34:31,860
S5: feel a conviction of the spirit. That is the benefit

690
00:34:31,860 --> 00:34:34,140
S5: that we get as Christians is the Spirit of God

691
00:34:34,140 --> 00:34:36,859
S5: is alive in us and guards and guides us and

692
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S5: leads us. So mind that check when you feel the check,

693
00:34:39,980 --> 00:34:42,219
S5: when you feel the wince. That is the Spirit of

694
00:34:42,219 --> 00:34:45,060
S5: God teaching you, guarding you, guiding you and how to

695
00:34:45,100 --> 00:34:48,580
S5: live as a Christ follower. I'm telling you, I'm so

696
00:34:48,580 --> 00:34:50,899
S5: honored to be with you on the air today, and

697
00:34:50,900 --> 00:34:54,339
S5: I just pray God's richest blessings on you. I don't

698
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S5: know if you want to add anything to this.

699
00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:59,020
S4: Well, Carl, go ahead. I know you have something you

700
00:34:59,020 --> 00:35:00,150
S4: want to jump in with?

701
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S6: Yeah.

702
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S3: First I want to say to anonymous, welcome to the family.

703
00:35:03,790 --> 00:35:09,310
S3: If if there's truly been this moment, this moment of

704
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S3: metanoia where you are repenting and you are changing your

705
00:35:13,630 --> 00:35:18,070
S3: mind and the direction of your life, and you're surrendering

706
00:35:18,070 --> 00:35:22,390
S3: all to Jesus, whom the son sets free, is free indeed.

707
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:25,870
S3: And one thing that Susie said to you, anonymous, and

708
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S3: this is probably many hundreds of people are listening in

709
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S3: right now going, I just had this happen. I prayed

710
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S3: along text the word new to anonymous. Just as soon

711
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:39,710
S3: as you can, just text the word new to our

712
00:35:39,710 --> 00:35:46,870
S3: number here 800 555 7898. And if others of you listening,

713
00:35:47,150 --> 00:35:50,109
S3: you prayed along. That wasn't just for anonymous, that was

714
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S3: for you, and you joined in that prayer. Welcome to

715
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S3: the family. If that's your heart cry and it's not

716
00:35:56,750 --> 00:36:00,290
S3: about a prayer that's prayed. It's a cry of the

717
00:36:00,290 --> 00:36:04,969
S3: soul that says, I surrender all I am to Jesus today.

718
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S3: And if that's you, one of the most important things

719
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S3: and I want you to speak to this, Susie is getting, look,

720
00:36:11,489 --> 00:36:15,890
S3: there's no perfect church, but there are churches that are

721
00:36:15,890 --> 00:36:19,089
S3: far more inclined, opening the Word of God, preaching the

722
00:36:19,090 --> 00:36:22,489
S3: true gospel, and helping people grow and go with God.

723
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S3: That's vital. So just text the word new right now

724
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S3: to (800) 555-7898. If this is you today, you are surrendering

725
00:36:31,610 --> 00:36:35,290
S3: your life to Jesus, and never before have you come

726
00:36:35,290 --> 00:36:39,250
S3: to this point where you repented of sin. I know

727
00:36:39,250 --> 00:36:44,209
S3: that sounds old school, but it's it's timeless and it's

728
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S3: the only way. Ali, myself, Susie Young Thunder super. It's

729
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S3: the only way we came to faith in Christ. If

730
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S3: this is your moment today, just text the word new

731
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S3: and one of the embedded links is going to tell

732
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S3: you how to find a church that is spirit filled.

733
00:37:00,060 --> 00:37:03,060
S3: Opening the word. Helping you grow and go with God.

734
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S3: Text new to 800 555 7898. Right now, Susie, we

735
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S3: have scores and scores of people surrendering to Christ in

736
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S3: this moment or acknowledging that they've cried out to God.

737
00:37:15,340 --> 00:37:17,540
S3: It's a cry of the soul, though, isn't it, Susie?

738
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S5: Oh, it so is. And as I often say, heaven

739
00:37:20,820 --> 00:37:23,259
S5: knows who's who in the zoo. You know, if you know,

740
00:37:23,540 --> 00:37:26,460
S5: when I'm speaking at conferences, I talk about, you know,

741
00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:28,620
S5: how do the how do the angels look down on

742
00:37:28,620 --> 00:37:31,379
S5: earth and figure out who are believers? Do you think

743
00:37:31,380 --> 00:37:34,500
S5: they're looking at behavior? They're just not because some people

744
00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:37,020
S5: who don't profess Christ behave better than those who do.

745
00:37:37,060 --> 00:37:39,420
S5: And our behavior matters, and God deals with us. I'm

746
00:37:39,420 --> 00:37:42,299
S5: just saying. But Scripture says it's the light of Christ

747
00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:45,299
S5: shining in our hearts. And what you either have the

748
00:37:45,300 --> 00:37:47,379
S5: light of Christ in your heart or you don't. And

749
00:37:47,380 --> 00:37:52,100
S5: that only comes from a humble submitted. You know, literally

750
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:54,950
S5: getting on your knees, going, I cannot save myself. I

751
00:37:54,989 --> 00:37:58,069
S5: can't jump high enough to make this happen. And when

752
00:37:58,110 --> 00:38:02,830
S5: Scripture Jesus says, many, many in the last days will

753
00:38:02,830 --> 00:38:05,069
S5: have this false sense of security, they will say, Lord,

754
00:38:05,070 --> 00:38:07,990
S5: and he's like, I never knew you. And so really

755
00:38:07,989 --> 00:38:10,430
S5: important not to have a false sense of security, to think, well,

756
00:38:10,430 --> 00:38:12,190
S5: I go to I go to church or my parents

757
00:38:12,190 --> 00:38:15,470
S5: are super. They pray all the time. He has no grandchildren.

758
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:18,870
S5: God knows he wants an intimate personal relationship with you.

759
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S5: So on one hand, we don't want you questioning your

760
00:38:21,110 --> 00:38:23,830
S5: salvation all the time if you're truly saved. But on

761
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S5: the other hand, we don't want you walking around with

762
00:38:25,710 --> 00:38:28,870
S5: a false sense of security because you pray to formulate prayer.

763
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S5: Or could you go to church every week? It's so

764
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S5: important to have a heart posture change where you go.

765
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:37,350
S5: I cannot do this. I want Jesus as Lord and

766
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S5: you come into the kingdom where there's a king.

767
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S2: When you don't know who's better to ask than an expert.

768
00:38:44,070 --> 00:38:45,950
S2: You're listening to Carl and crew.

769
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S6: Carl and crew with a.

770
00:38:47,390 --> 00:38:50,390
S3: Very special week. And this has been overwhelming in the

771
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S3: best possible way. I don't know how else to describe it? What?

772
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S3: What a sweet week. I just can't get over this.

773
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:03,520
S3: The amount of interest in these topics is amazing. And boy,

774
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,640
S3: have we got one that is relevant for every one

775
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,480
S3: of us listening right now. I think it's unavoidable. This

776
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,440
S3: thing called clutter. Ali, what do you say?

777
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,359
S4: The stuff that you have in your house. And, you know,

778
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,000
S4: on a serious note, there was a couple years ago

779
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S4: that we asked people about the thing that was kind

780
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S4: of defeating them. Do you remember this, Carl? Do you remember?

781
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S4: And how many times we heard from people who were

782
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S4: struggling with clutter, organization, even hoarding people even use that word.

783
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S4: And it's kind of this quiet, secret, shameful thing that

784
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S4: people have going on. And we saw a real trend

785
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S4: there that a lot of people are battling with this.

786
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,719
S3: Yeah, it's it's very real. And we do want you

787
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,690
S3: to know two things exist. Number one, God may be

788
00:39:51,690 --> 00:39:54,410
S3: convicting you of the need to clean some things up.

789
00:39:54,930 --> 00:39:58,049
S3: But Satan is trying to condemn you, and there is

790
00:39:58,050 --> 00:40:02,250
S3: therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

791
00:40:02,530 --> 00:40:04,850
S3: So coming up with Cathy Lip, we are going to

792
00:40:04,890 --> 00:40:08,330
S3: open our eyes wide. Take an honest look at the

793
00:40:08,330 --> 00:40:11,450
S3: stuff in our lives. How do we bring order to it?

794
00:40:11,450 --> 00:40:16,010
S3: Because we know that order can clear our minds, lift

795
00:40:16,010 --> 00:40:20,090
S3: weights from our shoulders, and allow us to walk with

796
00:40:20,090 --> 00:40:24,610
S3: a more robust step as we follow Jesus Christ.

797
00:40:25,290 --> 00:40:29,090
S2: Your spiritual pit stop to keep you going in the race.

798
00:40:29,210 --> 00:40:31,490
S2: You're listening to Carl and crew.

799
00:40:31,530 --> 00:40:35,530
S3: Carl and crew helping you take your next step with Jesus.

800
00:40:35,570 --> 00:40:39,850
S3: His way is better. What a week we're having here.

801
00:40:39,850 --> 00:40:46,089
S3: I can't, I'm about to just absolutely spontaneously combust. What

802
00:40:46,090 --> 00:40:46,810
S3: do you say, ally?

803
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S4: We've got. Well, we are going to tackle a brand

804
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S4: new topic. We are shifting gears in a big way

805
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S4: to clutter organization. Want to introduce Kathy Lipp, who's going

806
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S4: to be with us? She's an author, speaker, blogger, host

807
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S4: of the Clutter Free Academy podcast. And Kathy, we have

808
00:41:03,180 --> 00:41:05,460
S4: already questions coming in. But before we get to them,

809
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S4: we got to find out who you are. How do

810
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S4: you become someone who's on a radio show, who's an

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S4: expert on clutter and organization? You've just been organized your

812
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S4: whole life, right?

813
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S10: Okay, so you're starting off the morning with a laugh,

814
00:41:19,940 --> 00:41:25,500
S10: I love that. Let's embrace that. Uh, no. My dad

815
00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:29,219
S10: was a hoarder, which is, of course not funny. But

816
00:41:29,260 --> 00:41:32,060
S10: you know what? Here's the thing. People don't want me

817
00:41:32,060 --> 00:41:34,379
S10: to come to their house because they're like, you're going

818
00:41:34,420 --> 00:41:37,180
S10: to judge me. I'm like, I am the safest person

819
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S10: in the world to come to your house, by the way. Um, yeah.

820
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S10: You can sit me down next to a pile of

821
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S10: magazines and we're all good, because that's how I grew up.

822
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S10: And so. But I needed to function in life, and

823
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S10: I didn't learn how to do that growing up. So

824
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:57,270
S10: here we are. I had to a lot of it

825
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S10: was self-taught. A lot of it was hit and miss,

826
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S10: but I think I found a real way. I've gone

827
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S10: from being the daughter of a hoarder to running multiple Airbnbs.

828
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S10: And so you can't have clutter with Airbnbs. So it's

829
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S10: it's a real journey for me.

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S4: Cathy, give us a little bit of how this touched

831
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S4: you personally, obviously with your father's story. But then there

832
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S4: was some of those habits that sort of followed you

833
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S4: into your own, uh, family rearing. Did would you have

834
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S4: considered yourself as someone who struggled with a relationship with stuff?

835
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S4: You wouldn't necessarily use the word hoarder, but but clutter

836
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S4: became a problem for you, too.

837
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S10: Oh, Ellie, you know, you think about it this way.

838
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S10: When you grow up surrounded by so much stuff. And

839
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S10: even if you didn't, all of us have this weird

840
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:52,440
S10: relationship with things. Things become meaning. And Jesus talks more

841
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,799
S10: about money and stuff than anything else in the New Testament.

842
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,920
S10: So this is not a surprise that this is a struggle.

843
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S10: But I thought if I had more clothes, if I

844
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:08,640
S10: had more food because I also grew grew up broke, right?

845
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S10: So I wanted the security of always having enough. And

846
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S10: when you come to realize that you're using, you're putting

847
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,960
S10: your faith in things instead of in Christ. That hits

848
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S10: different as a mom, as a wife, as an adult.

849
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S10: And I really had to untangle this relationship with stuff

850
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S10: because that's where I was putting my security.

851
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S3: Cathy Lipp is our guest with Ask the Expert. She

852
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S3: is dynamite on this topic. We're going to get after

853
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S3: it here. Let's begin. Big. Somebody texted in and said,

854
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S3: I enjoy listening to you guys. Oh, in my entire

855
00:43:51,210 --> 00:43:54,969
S3: house is a junk drawer these days. What do you say, Cathy?

856
00:43:55,170 --> 00:43:57,690
S3: And you know what? On a serious note, that could

857
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S3: sound funny if it wasn't so picking overwhelming. Cathy. It's hard.

858
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S10: Yeah, it absolutely is. And it it can be funny

859
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S10: to a point. And then you get to a point

860
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S10: where you realize, I'm not doing the things in life

861
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S10: that I want to be doing because I have so

862
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S10: much stuff. So my first piece of advice, when they

863
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S10: say my whole house is a junk drawer, start with,

864
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S10: I would say, pick three spots in your house, the

865
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S10: three spots that are going to give you the most peace.

866
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S10: Maybe it's a spot on the counter, the kitchen counter

867
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S10: because man, I have a hard time making dinner because

868
00:44:38,210 --> 00:44:41,210
S10: I have to move things before I even start to chop.

869
00:44:41,210 --> 00:44:46,060
S10: Maybe it's your nightstand because we sleep better in a

870
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S10: room that is decluttered because our brains are pinging off

871
00:44:49,100 --> 00:44:52,660
S10: of that clutter even when we're asleep. And then maybe

872
00:44:52,660 --> 00:44:55,299
S10: your third spot is somewhere in the living room. I

873
00:44:55,300 --> 00:44:58,259
S10: just want you to have a couple of places of peace.

874
00:44:58,500 --> 00:45:02,660
S10: And my advice is to set a timer for 15 minutes.

875
00:45:02,900 --> 00:45:06,220
S10: And just for 15 minutes. What can I get rid

876
00:45:06,260 --> 00:45:09,500
S10: of out of this space? What is it that no

877
00:45:09,500 --> 00:45:13,820
S10: longer is serving me? Get that stuff out! If. And

878
00:45:13,860 --> 00:45:18,660
S10: I know people. Guys, we are environmentally conscious over here. Um,

879
00:45:18,700 --> 00:45:22,219
S10: we we believe in it. But for my cluttery friends,

880
00:45:22,340 --> 00:45:25,020
S10: if you just need to throw things away for a

881
00:45:25,020 --> 00:45:27,500
S10: little while, can I give you some permission to do that?

882
00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:30,060
S10: A lot of people are really struggling with how to

883
00:45:30,060 --> 00:45:32,220
S10: get rid of stuff, and if you need to just

884
00:45:32,219 --> 00:45:34,939
S10: throw things away for a little bit so that you

885
00:45:34,940 --> 00:45:39,100
S10: can get some breathing room. I you know what? Major

886
00:45:39,100 --> 00:45:42,150
S10: corporations are throwing away a lot more than you. Let's

887
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:46,430
S10: let's just take advantage of some momentum and clear a

888
00:45:46,430 --> 00:45:49,390
S10: few spaces in your house. And as you see that

889
00:45:49,390 --> 00:45:53,870
S10: space widening, you know you're able to breathe more. It's

890
00:45:53,870 --> 00:45:56,910
S10: going to translate to other places in your house. And

891
00:45:56,910 --> 00:45:59,469
S10: that's what I want for you all these patches of

892
00:45:59,469 --> 00:46:01,150
S10: peace around your house.

893
00:46:01,590 --> 00:46:04,950
S4: Let's go to Marley, who's calling in this morning from McKinley, Illinois.

894
00:46:04,989 --> 00:46:06,390
S4: Go ahead with your question.

895
00:46:06,830 --> 00:46:10,109
S11: Hi. Thanks for having me on. Um, I have a

896
00:46:10,110 --> 00:46:16,030
S11: grandson who is a collector and, uh, bordering on hoarder. Um,

897
00:46:16,070 --> 00:46:17,270
S11: any advice for me?

898
00:46:18,110 --> 00:46:24,790
S10: Absolutely. Uh, collectors. Here's what I, I needed when I

899
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:30,670
S10: was really into collecting. We all need some boundaries, so

900
00:46:30,830 --> 00:46:34,750
S10: to say. Hey, this is this is getting out of control.

901
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:38,549
S10: Or if it's impacting other people in the family, it's

902
00:46:38,690 --> 00:46:43,410
S10: impacting the space. They're not able to function. Then, uh,

903
00:46:43,410 --> 00:46:50,410
S10: my favorite word in all of decluttering and organizing is curation.

904
00:46:50,890 --> 00:46:54,930
S10: Helping your grandson curate to keep the best and get

905
00:46:54,930 --> 00:46:58,330
S10: rid of the rest. So when he was first starting

906
00:46:58,370 --> 00:47:03,650
S10: to collect, he probably had some things that were very,

907
00:47:03,650 --> 00:47:06,410
S10: very exciting to him. But now he has new, more

908
00:47:06,410 --> 00:47:10,850
S10: exciting things. Is there something he could share that collection with?

909
00:47:10,890 --> 00:47:13,210
S10: Is there a new collector that he could give some

910
00:47:13,210 --> 00:47:16,770
S10: of those lesser things to? And then to really help

911
00:47:16,770 --> 00:47:20,089
S10: him understand the impact it's having on the family as

912
00:47:20,090 --> 00:47:24,049
S10: a whole? If it's taking over other rooms. So we

913
00:47:24,050 --> 00:47:26,370
S10: want to keep the rest, get rid of the rest,

914
00:47:26,410 --> 00:47:29,490
S10: keep the best, get rid of the rest. And uh,

915
00:47:29,489 --> 00:47:36,489
S10: to say, you know, collecting is really about not how much.

916
00:47:36,530 --> 00:47:40,339
S10: It's not how big the collection is, but how wonderful,

917
00:47:40,380 --> 00:47:44,500
S10: how much that connection collection connects with you, how much

918
00:47:44,540 --> 00:47:48,339
S10: it reflects your unique tastes. So get you know, we

919
00:47:48,340 --> 00:47:50,580
S10: all have stuff that it was fun at one point,

920
00:47:50,580 --> 00:47:54,140
S10: but it needs to be passed on. So really and

921
00:47:54,140 --> 00:47:56,379
S10: maybe it needs to be sold. You know, if there

922
00:47:56,420 --> 00:47:59,740
S10: are other collectors in that area that would be excited

923
00:47:59,739 --> 00:48:04,020
S10: about that. So that's what you want to, you know,

924
00:48:04,060 --> 00:48:08,300
S10: help them level up in their collecting by only keeping

925
00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:10,420
S10: what really is meaningful to them.

926
00:48:10,820 --> 00:48:13,860
S3: Kathy, there's biblical support for this because the early church

927
00:48:13,860 --> 00:48:16,940
S3: gave to each other as they had need. And and

928
00:48:16,940 --> 00:48:20,259
S3: that's real. Um, one of the things that can keep us,

929
00:48:20,260 --> 00:48:23,779
S3: I guess, from what you're proposing, from getting cluttered or

930
00:48:23,820 --> 00:48:26,660
S3: just too much stuff is beginning to see our stuff

931
00:48:26,660 --> 00:48:29,740
S3: as who can it advantage that has some need. That's

932
00:48:29,739 --> 00:48:31,820
S3: not a bad way of looking at it, would you say?

933
00:48:32,780 --> 00:48:36,989
S10: Oh my goodness, you know, I Cluttery people. I say

934
00:48:36,989 --> 00:48:40,030
S10: this all the time. They are the nicest people in

935
00:48:40,030 --> 00:48:44,510
S10: the world except to one person themselves. And if you

936
00:48:44,510 --> 00:48:48,549
S10: said I like that shirt, they would either run, you know,

937
00:48:48,590 --> 00:48:50,549
S10: run to the store and get you a copy of

938
00:48:50,590 --> 00:48:53,870
S10: that shirt, or inappropriately take their shirt and give it

939
00:48:53,870 --> 00:48:57,710
S10: to you. I mean, that's how wonderful these people are.

940
00:48:57,750 --> 00:49:02,190
S10: And I count myself among them. And so when we're

941
00:49:02,190 --> 00:49:06,470
S10: able to say, hey, this clutter has a purpose. I

942
00:49:06,469 --> 00:49:08,710
S10: may have told this story on here, but I'm just

943
00:49:08,750 --> 00:49:12,750
S10: it's worth retelling. Okay. When I was a single mom,

944
00:49:13,110 --> 00:49:16,229
S10: I absolutely broke. And for the first time, I had

945
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:19,630
S10: to go to goodwill in order to get my kids

946
00:49:19,630 --> 00:49:22,750
S10: ready for school. And that was a new experience for them.

947
00:49:23,070 --> 00:49:27,870
S10: And my son was wearing a size 12 men's shoe

948
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:32,029
S10: in junior high. And he I mean, his feet were

949
00:49:32,030 --> 00:49:36,080
S10: growing faster than anything I'd ever seen before. And we

950
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,680
S10: get to goodwill. And of course, you know the selection.

951
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,080
S10: It's old men's shoes. And my son, he goes, I

952
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,399
S10: want shoes like this. And he pulled out some from

953
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,799
S10: the eight and a half, and they were Nikes. And

954
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,960
S10: I'm like, buddy, you know what? I would love to

955
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,600
S10: get those for you, but it's not going to fit.

956
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,560
S10: And I grabbed them to put them back. And I

957
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,920
S10: noticed that they were a brand new pair of men's

958
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:05,520
S10: size 12 Nike's. And I think about the person, whether

959
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,440
S10: it was that gentleman or his wife every single day

960
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:14,040
S10: who donated those shoes that made such a difference at

961
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,680
S10: such a hard time in my life, and that she

962
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,960
S10: could be the interview shirt. Could be the shirt that

963
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:27,960
S10: that mom goes to work in. Um, you know, those

964
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,640
S10: shoes could be the shoes that that junior hire who

965
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:36,330
S10: is now in a single mom household, so that he

966
00:50:36,330 --> 00:50:39,730
S10: gets to where to feel a little bit more comfortable

967
00:50:39,730 --> 00:50:42,810
S10: at his first day at a new school. What you're

968
00:50:42,810 --> 00:50:45,730
S10: giving away can make the difference in somebody else's life,

969
00:50:45,730 --> 00:50:48,009
S10: and you don't need to know who they are. You

970
00:50:48,010 --> 00:50:51,650
S10: need to just trust that God will get the right

971
00:50:51,650 --> 00:50:55,770
S10: items into the right people's hands. And what a difference

972
00:50:55,770 --> 00:50:56,490
S10: that can make.

973
00:50:56,530 --> 00:50:59,169
S4: Wow, what a what a powerful motivation to get that

974
00:50:59,170 --> 00:51:02,370
S4: bag of clothes out of your trunk and into the

975
00:51:02,410 --> 00:51:05,770
S4: donation bin. Kathie Lee, our guest. You have a.

976
00:51:05,770 --> 00:51:07,210
S10: Bag of clothes in your trunk.

977
00:51:07,450 --> 00:51:08,850
S4: Doesn't everybody?

978
00:51:08,890 --> 00:51:10,210
S10: I've never heard that before.

979
00:51:10,250 --> 00:51:14,690
S4: Doesn't everybody do something? I do drop off. Yep. If

980
00:51:14,730 --> 00:51:20,009
S4: you want more in our guest, Tex. Clutter to (800) 555-7898.

981
00:51:20,050 --> 00:51:26,090
S4: Lots of resources on our website. Tex. Clutter to (800) 555-7898.

982
00:51:26,130 --> 00:51:28,570
S4: Coming up let's tackle this one. Came in by text.

983
00:51:28,890 --> 00:51:30,980
S4: My mother in law passed away. They said my husband

984
00:51:31,020 --> 00:51:33,459
S4: was in charge of everything. A lot of her stuff

985
00:51:33,460 --> 00:51:36,420
S4: didn't sell and now is in my basement and garage.

986
00:51:36,420 --> 00:51:39,460
S4: My husband says he wants to sell everything, but a

987
00:51:39,460 --> 00:51:42,260
S4: year later it's still there and when I bring it up,

988
00:51:42,260 --> 00:51:46,620
S4: he gets frustrated. How can I help? More coming up.

989
00:51:47,460 --> 00:51:50,700
S2: Get in the know. With life's biggest questions, it's Ask

990
00:51:50,739 --> 00:51:52,780
S2: the Experts week with Carl and crew.

991
00:51:53,180 --> 00:51:57,660
S4: Our expert this hour. Kathi Lipp, author, speaker, blogger, host

992
00:51:57,660 --> 00:52:01,580
S4: of the Clutter Free Academy podcast. Question that came in

993
00:52:01,580 --> 00:52:04,900
S4: from a dear listener who recently experienced the loss of

994
00:52:04,900 --> 00:52:07,420
S4: a mother in law. So my husband was in charge

995
00:52:07,420 --> 00:52:10,540
S4: of everything. Long story short, a lot of that stuff

996
00:52:10,780 --> 00:52:13,500
S4: is now in our space. When I bring it up,

997
00:52:13,940 --> 00:52:16,939
S4: he gets frustrated. It's been a year now. Is there

998
00:52:16,940 --> 00:52:19,580
S4: anything that I can do to help Kathy? What do

999
00:52:19,580 --> 00:52:21,900
S4: you say? What is helpful here?

1000
00:52:22,780 --> 00:52:28,420
S10: Yeah. So I think first of all, I love her approach, uh,

1001
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:32,150
S10: that she. She wants to help. You know, she is

1002
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:37,430
S10: championing her husband. She wants to be an encouragement to him.

1003
00:52:37,590 --> 00:52:43,230
S10: I can hear it in this message. And, uh, I'm

1004
00:52:43,230 --> 00:52:46,590
S10: sure her husband is still grieving here after a year.

1005
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:52,790
S10: And the combination of all of that stuff, plus mixed

1006
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:56,390
S10: with grief can be so frustrating. So one thing that

1007
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:58,710
S10: you may want to consider, and here we come back

1008
00:52:58,710 --> 00:53:03,230
S10: to that. That word I love curate. Uh, one thing

1009
00:53:03,550 --> 00:53:06,910
S10: that you may want to consider is taking going through

1010
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:10,469
S10: the boxes to find. Are there a few things that

1011
00:53:10,469 --> 00:53:13,710
S10: need to be kept? Maybe, you know, in the rush

1012
00:53:13,790 --> 00:53:17,630
S10: after her passing, you know, things were thrown in boxes.

1013
00:53:17,630 --> 00:53:21,910
S10: But maybe it's time now to organize a little bit more. Uh,

1014
00:53:21,950 --> 00:53:27,200
S10: maybe instead of selling everything, there are some charities that

1015
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:31,319
S10: it might go better to serve. And we also have

1016
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:35,640
S10: to understand sometimes our stuff is not even a charity

1017
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,680
S10: is not going to want it. So going through those things,

1018
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:43,320
S10: making a few different piles. But if if he's resistant

1019
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,640
S10: and says, I don't even want to look at them,

1020
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,719
S10: this may not be a clutter issue. This may be

1021
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,600
S10: more of a grief issue that needs to be addressed

1022
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:56,640
S10: with a counselor or a pastor. And so I would

1023
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,880
S10: get to the heart of it and just ask, you know,

1024
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,839
S10: what's the resistance if if you're like, I just don't

1025
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,440
S10: want to open up those wounds again, then it's a

1026
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,480
S10: grief issue that needs to be dealt with. If it's

1027
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:12,200
S10: a I just feel overwhelmed by it again, maybe taking

1028
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,800
S10: one box at a time instead of trying to tackle

1029
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,719
S10: it all at once. So I think in this case,

1030
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,120
S10: it's it's not so much about the clutter, but it's

1031
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,439
S10: about getting to the root issue of the resistance. And

1032
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:27,810
S10: I think you'll make some headway once you understand that, Kathy.

1033
00:54:27,850 --> 00:54:29,930
S4: Along those same lines, we had another person text in

1034
00:54:29,969 --> 00:54:32,810
S4: who wants to help a friend declutter her house. She

1035
00:54:32,810 --> 00:54:36,169
S4: says I'm concerned for her health. I'm unable to give

1036
00:54:36,170 --> 00:54:39,489
S4: physical help with the decluttering due to mobility issues, but

1037
00:54:39,489 --> 00:54:41,330
S4: this person does have a heart to help.

1038
00:54:43,330 --> 00:54:46,370
S10: I first, I love this so much and I love

1039
00:54:46,370 --> 00:54:51,450
S10: that she sees the impact. Here's something that may help.

1040
00:54:51,489 --> 00:54:54,210
S10: She may not be able to physically get in there

1041
00:54:54,210 --> 00:54:58,010
S10: and get to boxes, but there is something that is

1042
00:54:58,010 --> 00:55:02,010
S10: called body doubling. And this is a term that's used

1043
00:55:02,010 --> 00:55:07,290
S10: a lot in the ADHD community where where I think

1044
00:55:07,330 --> 00:55:09,330
S10: let's just be clear, I think a lot of cluttery

1045
00:55:09,330 --> 00:55:14,210
S10: people maybe are undiagnosed late in life with some of

1046
00:55:14,210 --> 00:55:19,330
S10: those kind of issues, just to physically be present in

1047
00:55:19,330 --> 00:55:23,210
S10: a room with somebody. Um, that's what body doubling is

1048
00:55:23,210 --> 00:55:26,180
S10: to say, I'm not going to do the work for you,

1049
00:55:26,180 --> 00:55:29,739
S10: but I'll be here whether it's on the phone, whether

1050
00:55:29,739 --> 00:55:35,020
S10: it's on FaceTime, on, on, uh, you know, over video

1051
00:55:35,219 --> 00:55:39,660
S10: or physically in the presence of somebody to just be

1052
00:55:39,660 --> 00:55:42,660
S10: there to say, I see what you're doing. I'm cheering

1053
00:55:42,660 --> 00:55:47,219
S10: you on. Uh, it makes such a huge difference. There

1054
00:55:47,219 --> 00:55:50,739
S10: is something about, you know, how when you're cleaning to

1055
00:55:50,739 --> 00:55:53,020
S10: have somebody else in your family, even if you're not

1056
00:55:53,020 --> 00:55:55,140
S10: working on the same thing, but you know that they

1057
00:55:55,180 --> 00:55:58,620
S10: are cleaning at the same time? It focuses you. Right?

1058
00:55:59,180 --> 00:56:01,620
S10: And that's what we want for this person.

1059
00:56:01,660 --> 00:56:03,460
S3: All right. I'm going to caveat this because I'm going

1060
00:56:03,500 --> 00:56:05,540
S3: to play off of what Ali just asked you there.

1061
00:56:05,940 --> 00:56:10,820
S3: Can a spouse do this for someone if that one

1062
00:56:10,820 --> 00:56:14,459
S3: that they're helping feels like this person's really wanting to

1063
00:56:14,460 --> 00:56:16,780
S3: help and not condemn.

1064
00:56:17,700 --> 00:56:23,600
S10: Right. That's it's the coming along side, right? And so

1065
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,280
S10: to say, because we all have issues we struggle with.

1066
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,280
S10: And this has been my issue and my husband has

1067
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,680
S10: issues that he struggles with. And so when I say,

1068
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,960
S10: you know what, what I'm looking for for you is

1069
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:41,480
S10: a win. I want to be part of this winning team.

1070
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:45,080
S10: I want to come alongside you. I'm cheering you on

1071
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:49,000
S10: and we're moving in the same direction. So you really can't.

1072
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:54,040
S10: It's very hard to declutter for somebody else. That's really,

1073
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:58,560
S10: really tough. But you can come alongside and say it

1074
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,359
S10: seems like you're overwhelmed with this decision. How can I

1075
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:05,760
S10: help you, uh, figure this out or do we need.

1076
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,040
S10: I think one of the things that we can do

1077
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:12,040
S10: is say, hey, we're going to have a donation truck

1078
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:15,560
S10: come every other Friday. And so let's have at least

1079
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,600
S10: one bag out there. I'm going to donate some stuff.

1080
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,930
S10: Can you donate some stuff? It's the come along, come

1081
00:57:21,930 --> 00:57:26,090
S10: along side without condemnation that can make a real difference

1082
00:57:26,090 --> 00:57:26,930
S10: in a home.

1083
00:57:26,970 --> 00:57:29,690
S3: Love it. Okay. More questions. Going to be tackling here

1084
00:57:29,690 --> 00:57:32,450
S3: in a moment. Well we got some big responses here

1085
00:57:32,450 --> 00:57:38,610
S3: with regard to paperwork. In fact one person said. Paper. Paper. Paper.

1086
00:57:38,810 --> 00:57:41,570
S3: And when guests come over, I cram it into a

1087
00:57:41,610 --> 00:57:44,450
S3: big old box, haul it away so that they don't

1088
00:57:44,450 --> 00:57:47,530
S3: see my paper. Sometimes that's the big problem here.

1089
00:57:47,890 --> 00:57:50,650
S2: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

1090
00:57:50,690 --> 00:57:56,730
S3: Okay, Kathy Lipp with us, our expert on all things clutter. Paper, paper, paper.

1091
00:57:56,730 --> 00:58:00,210
S3: And Dakota in Palatine. Why don't you go ahead? What's

1092
00:58:00,210 --> 00:58:02,290
S3: your question for Kathy? Along these lines?

1093
00:58:03,210 --> 00:58:07,250
S7: Oh my God. Okay. Paperwork is my nemesis, and I'm just.

1094
00:58:07,450 --> 00:58:10,450
S7: I wanted to ask you, what kind of strategy do

1095
00:58:10,450 --> 00:58:13,770
S7: you have for maintaining and dealing with and getting rid

1096
00:58:13,850 --> 00:58:18,090
S7: of appropriate or inappropriate paperwork, things that need to be

1097
00:58:18,090 --> 00:58:19,700
S7: saved And just how.

1098
00:58:20,060 --> 00:58:24,380
S12: Help help help help help.

1099
00:58:24,900 --> 00:58:27,540
S3: You know, she's laughing, but it's real. Kathy.

1100
00:58:27,900 --> 00:58:28,220
S12: Oh.

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00:58:28,540 --> 00:58:31,420
S10: Yeah. It's so real. And I'm throwing you a life

1102
00:58:31,420 --> 00:58:38,220
S10: preserver made out of old catalogs and bills. I get it, friend. Dakota.

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00:58:38,260 --> 00:58:41,300
S10: I totally get it. And this is something I think

1104
00:58:41,300 --> 00:58:44,060
S10: we're going to struggle with our whole lives. But there

1105
00:58:44,060 --> 00:58:47,340
S10: is hope. So I want you to think about four

1106
00:58:47,460 --> 00:58:52,660
S10: categories for paper. So there's your action paper. This is

1107
00:58:52,660 --> 00:58:56,220
S10: bills that need to be paid. There's that car registration

1108
00:58:56,220 --> 00:59:00,420
S10: that needs to be sent in. Uh, and so we,

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00:59:00,580 --> 00:59:03,420
S10: we cluttery people. We want to be so clever. We

1110
00:59:03,420 --> 00:59:07,620
S10: want to have, like, little color coordinated bins, and we

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00:59:07,620 --> 00:59:10,620
S10: want to have everything pretty and maybe in a rainbow

1112
00:59:10,620 --> 00:59:13,980
S10: color or, you know, colors of the unicorn. I don't know,

1113
00:59:13,980 --> 00:59:16,460
S10: but can I just say you need a place on

1114
00:59:16,460 --> 00:59:19,510
S10: your desk where you can put those action papers you

1115
00:59:19,710 --> 00:59:22,910
S10: Cluttery people need to be able to see things because

1116
00:59:22,910 --> 00:59:26,430
S10: we feel like if we file it away, we're not

1117
00:59:26,430 --> 00:59:29,110
S10: going to act on it. So it's okay to have

1118
00:59:29,110 --> 00:59:32,510
S10: one pile of papers. Get like a tray or something

1119
00:59:32,510 --> 00:59:36,150
S10: like that. That's your action papers and that you have

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00:59:36,150 --> 00:59:38,310
S10: to go through at least once a week so you

1121
00:59:38,310 --> 00:59:41,030
S10: can stay on top of those bills, forms to fill

1122
00:59:41,030 --> 00:59:44,310
S10: out school work, that kind of thing. And then your

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00:59:44,310 --> 00:59:49,070
S10: next category is reference papers. So you need some kind

1124
00:59:49,070 --> 00:59:52,710
S10: of small filing system. You don't need the filing system

1125
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:55,710
S10: that our grandparents had that, you know, took up half

1126
00:59:55,710 --> 01:00:00,150
S10: a room. You because so much is digital now. But

1127
01:00:00,630 --> 01:00:03,750
S10: make sure it's actually stuff that you need to keep.

1128
01:00:03,790 --> 01:00:06,630
S10: Do you need to keep that manual, or can you

1129
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:10,030
S10: go to the Dyson website and look that up? Let

1130
01:00:10,030 --> 01:00:14,190
S10: me just tell you, my Dyson, uh, vacuum wasn't working.

1131
01:00:14,350 --> 01:00:18,400
S10: I went to the Dyson website and it had a

1132
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:23,880
S10: whole thing to walk you through troubleshooting your Dyson vacuum.

1133
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,200
S10: It was it was the best thing I've ever done,

1134
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,240
S10: and I fixed my own vacuum. I have never felt

1135
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,200
S10: so accomplished in my entire life, so I don't need

1136
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:36,800
S10: to keep that booklet anymore, right? That's true. To keep

1137
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:41,480
S10: that it's true. So get get check the manual online

1138
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,840
S10: and if there's a manual online, toss it then. But

1139
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,840
S10: file the rest of it. And if you need to

1140
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:50,640
S10: just do one file for one piece of paper, it's okay.

1141
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:52,760
S10: But you have to be able to find it. You

1142
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,160
S10: need to be able to retrieve those reference papers, two

1143
01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:00,120
S10: other kinds. There's sentimental papers. So if there's things that

1144
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:04,760
S10: you want to keep, cards, letters, art, if it's kid's stuff,

1145
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:10,240
S10: have one tub for each kid for their entire school

1146
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,520
S10: year and kindergarten. You're going to fill it up. But

1147
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:14,490
S10: you know what you're going to start to go through

1148
01:01:14,490 --> 01:01:17,530
S10: that and you're going to curate it. And your last

1149
01:01:17,530 --> 01:01:20,689
S10: category is shred and recycle. So make sure you have

1150
01:01:20,690 --> 01:01:24,570
S10: a great paper shredder that's really, really important and get

1151
01:01:24,570 --> 01:01:28,050
S10: rid of anything that you are not going to look

1152
01:01:28,050 --> 01:01:30,450
S10: for or you don't need to act on.

1153
01:01:30,490 --> 01:01:33,090
S4: Kathy Lip, I want to get right back to it.

1154
01:01:33,130 --> 01:01:36,330
S4: How about photos? A couple of questions that have come in, people.

1155
01:01:36,330 --> 01:01:38,650
S4: What do I do? I've got thousands of photos in

1156
01:01:38,650 --> 01:01:42,610
S4: loose boxes. Another person asked about photos that have accumulated

1157
01:01:42,610 --> 01:01:45,530
S4: over the years of loved ones who have gone on

1158
01:01:45,570 --> 01:01:48,090
S4: to their reward. What do I do with all these pictures?

1159
01:01:49,050 --> 01:01:52,010
S10: Okay, so let me just say this. You're probably never.

1160
01:01:52,050 --> 01:01:55,330
S10: If you haven't put them into an album yet, it's

1161
01:01:55,330 --> 01:01:58,010
S10: probably not going to happen. And can I say, I

1162
01:01:58,010 --> 01:02:01,970
S10: think that there is something lovely and charming about just

1163
01:02:01,970 --> 01:02:07,090
S10: having a box of photos? Here's the the kicker though.

1164
01:02:07,410 --> 01:02:11,290
S10: You need to get yourself an archival pin so you

1165
01:02:11,290 --> 01:02:14,300
S10: can get that at any you can get that at target.

1166
01:02:14,300 --> 01:02:17,340
S10: You can get it at Walmart, um, your office store.

1167
01:02:17,340 --> 01:02:20,419
S10: But it has to be archival. And what that does

1168
01:02:20,660 --> 01:02:24,660
S10: is that is giving your you can write on the

1169
01:02:24,660 --> 01:02:27,060
S10: back of the photos, because here's what we don't want

1170
01:02:27,060 --> 01:02:31,380
S10: to have happen. Is that uncle Bill or is that

1171
01:02:31,420 --> 01:02:34,020
S10: the neighbor from seven houses ago?

1172
01:02:36,340 --> 01:02:39,660
S12: I'm sorry, but I needed that. Who is that guy

1173
01:02:39,660 --> 01:02:41,380
S12: and why is he in my box?

1174
01:02:42,140 --> 01:02:44,700
S10: Right. And why is he hugging grandma?

1175
01:02:44,740 --> 01:02:51,300
S12: Like, what's going on here? Did we just discover something nefarious?

1176
01:02:51,300 --> 01:02:52,860
S12: I'm sorry, I needed that.

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01:02:52,900 --> 01:02:58,660
S10: Exactly, exactly. So let's label who these people are, because

1178
01:02:58,860 --> 01:03:02,500
S10: here's that's the beauty of going through old photos is

1179
01:03:02,500 --> 01:03:05,700
S10: seeing these past lives. You know, seeing my dad on

1180
01:03:05,860 --> 01:03:10,270
S10: the beach with his friends, it's. I love it so much,

1181
01:03:10,270 --> 01:03:13,390
S10: but I need to know who's in the photos. And

1182
01:03:13,390 --> 01:03:17,510
S10: you may not know everybody, but that is if you

1183
01:03:17,510 --> 01:03:21,350
S10: have somebody in your family who's interested and going through,

1184
01:03:21,390 --> 01:03:24,710
S10: you know, genealogy and fun stuff like that, what a

1185
01:03:24,750 --> 01:03:26,910
S10: gift you're going to give them by writing those names

1186
01:03:26,910 --> 01:03:30,030
S10: on the back. And if you can do dates and locations,

1187
01:03:30,030 --> 01:03:32,550
S10: even if you just say, you know, I think that

1188
01:03:32,550 --> 01:03:37,390
S10: was 92 or 93, that's going to make a huge difference. Also,

1189
01:03:37,390 --> 01:03:41,670
S10: find out if your kids want some of those photos,

1190
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:44,430
S10: or maybe your cousins want some of those photos. And

1191
01:03:44,430 --> 01:03:47,830
S10: if they say no, that's okay. They don't have to

1192
01:03:47,870 --> 01:03:52,270
S10: accept them. It's we need to be living in the moment.

1193
01:03:52,430 --> 01:03:55,390
S10: And it's great to know our history, but let's not

1194
01:03:55,390 --> 01:03:58,190
S10: be tied up in it and feel guilty about not

1195
01:03:58,190 --> 01:04:00,270
S10: having everything perfectly organized.

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01:04:00,310 --> 01:04:05,830
S3: So good. Kathy Lipp, our expert right now, all things decluttering, getting, uh,

1197
01:04:06,350 --> 01:04:09,360
S3: in our lives and give us your best 30s on

1198
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:12,520
S3: blue sky vision for why? Getting order in our rooms,

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01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,840
S3: in our closets, in our drawers. How can that help

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01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,120
S3: us in our spiritual trajectory? Cathy.

1201
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:25,160
S10: Oh, peace, peace, peace. I want you to. There you

1202
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:29,280
S10: can experience peace by opening a drawer. You really, really can.

1203
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:32,240
S10: If you've been living in chaos and you go to

1204
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,240
S10: that drawer and you can actually find what you're looking for.

1205
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,240
S10: You know, God's given each of us a purpose, and

1206
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,840
S10: our clutter gets in the way of that purpose. And

1207
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,680
S10: I want you to have peace and purpose in your life.

1208
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,439
S4: Cathy, our guest right now, I cannot tell you how

1209
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:48,800
S4: much you are right about this. I cleaned out my

1210
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,480
S4: garage for the first time in. Okay, wait for this.

1211
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,560
S4: Five years of living in this house and I cleaned

1212
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,080
S4: out the garage. And when I drive in and out

1213
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,960
S4: of that garage every day, I have a smile on

1214
01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:01,000
S4: my face.

1215
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:05,720
S12: Oh, there is something. How fulfilling is that, by the way?

1216
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:07,610
S4: Oh, boy, I mean it, and it was it was

1217
01:05:07,610 --> 01:05:11,490
S4: really messy. And now it is so neat. I want

1218
01:05:11,530 --> 01:05:14,610
S4: to have the garage door open so my neighbors can see. Right.

1219
01:05:15,890 --> 01:05:19,130
S10: Ally, I'm so incredibly proud of you because. Thank you.

1220
01:05:19,170 --> 01:05:22,130
S10: I tell you, that is like the goal of so

1221
01:05:22,130 --> 01:05:26,729
S10: many people in our our clutter free Academy group that

1222
01:05:26,730 --> 01:05:29,930
S10: they want to even be able to wedge their car

1223
01:05:29,930 --> 01:05:32,850
S10: into the garage. Yes. And then you took it a

1224
01:05:32,850 --> 01:05:35,730
S10: step further. And now the garage is organized and you

1225
01:05:35,730 --> 01:05:39,530
S10: want to bask in that garage. I'm so incredibly proud

1226
01:05:39,530 --> 01:05:40,130
S10: of you.

1227
01:05:40,170 --> 01:05:43,250
S3: Yeah, there's photos of her standing there, just standing.

1228
01:05:43,290 --> 01:05:46,890
S4: Smiling with my arms out. Look what we did. Text

1229
01:05:46,890 --> 01:05:51,370
S4: clutter to 800 555 7898. If you've got a question

1230
01:05:51,370 --> 01:05:56,130
S4: for Kathy, text clutter to 800 555 7898.

1231
01:05:56,930 --> 01:06:00,170
S2: Get in the know with life's biggest questions. It's Ask

1232
01:06:00,210 --> 01:06:02,290
S2: the Experts week with Carl and crew.

1233
01:06:02,530 --> 01:06:05,260
S3: Boy, have we got some action going on. This is

1234
01:06:05,300 --> 01:06:09,020
S3: Ask the Experts week. Ali, let's get back on our

1235
01:06:09,020 --> 01:06:10,220
S3: track shoes. Here, sister.

1236
01:06:10,260 --> 01:06:13,500
S4: Let's go to Rick. Calling in this morning from worth, Illinois. Rick,

1237
01:06:13,500 --> 01:06:15,060
S4: go ahead with your question for Kathy.

1238
01:06:15,820 --> 01:06:19,860
S13: So my question is how do you emotionally declutter as

1239
01:06:19,860 --> 01:06:21,220
S13: you get older especially?

1240
01:06:22,260 --> 01:06:24,100
S3: Great question. What do you say, Kathy?

1241
01:06:24,300 --> 01:06:28,860
S10: Uh, okay. So a couple of different thoughts on this. Uh,

1242
01:06:28,980 --> 01:06:34,580
S10: if if we're talking about, uh, I'm just overwhelmed with

1243
01:06:34,580 --> 01:06:37,060
S10: emotions about our stuff.

1244
01:06:37,220 --> 01:06:40,420
S4: Rick. Clarify. Rick, you want to clarify? Are you talking about.

1245
01:06:40,460 --> 01:06:40,980
S10: Yeah, that.

1246
01:06:40,980 --> 01:06:45,420
S4: Would be decluttering your emotional like your emotional state, your emotions,

1247
01:06:45,420 --> 01:06:48,380
S4: your feeling or the emotional attachment to things.

1248
01:06:49,980 --> 01:06:53,180
S13: I think in general, it's the emotional attachment to things.

1249
01:06:53,460 --> 01:06:57,580
S13: As we get older, we we gather crap. And it

1250
01:06:57,620 --> 01:07:00,140
S13: is well, it was so wonderful then.

1251
01:07:00,620 --> 01:07:02,940
S4: Okay. Thanks for that clarification. Go ahead Kathy.

1252
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:06,920
S10: Oh, yeah. Okay. Thank you for that. So here's what

1253
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:11,040
S10: I would say is I am so grateful for digital cameras.

1254
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:14,920
S10: Now that, you know, we whenever we're taking pictures of

1255
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,640
S10: things that were important to us at one point, uh,

1256
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:21,520
S10: we don't have to worry about burning the film. You know, uh,

1257
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,920
S10: Carl and I remember this very, very well. You know what.

1258
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:26,680
S12: Are easy now? Easy now.

1259
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:30,960
S10: Those 18, those 18 pictures were really, really important. And,

1260
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:34,240
S10: you know, we weren't just taking pictures of anything, right? Right. Hey,

1261
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,080
S10: I'm putting myself right there in.

1262
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:36,840
S12: That category.

1263
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:40,520
S10: With you. But here's what I would say. It is

1264
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:44,520
S10: okay to keep some of the things that were important

1265
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:47,600
S10: to you at a different time. Again, this is all

1266
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:53,840
S10: about curation. What's not okay is to drag your past

1267
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:57,120
S10: into your present, where it's going to harm your future.

1268
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,800
S10: And so I want you to say, you know, I'm

1269
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,690
S10: keeping these couple of things. Maybe there were some ribbons

1270
01:08:03,690 --> 01:08:06,930
S10: from when, you know, you were doing bike racing or

1271
01:08:06,930 --> 01:08:09,570
S10: something like that. And I want you if you're going

1272
01:08:09,570 --> 01:08:14,050
S10: to keep something, I want it to be kept in

1273
01:08:14,050 --> 01:08:19,490
S10: a place that it signifies how special it is. Because

1274
01:08:19,530 --> 01:08:22,809
S10: you we always say you if you love it, if

1275
01:08:22,810 --> 01:08:24,929
S10: you use it or would buy it again, you get

1276
01:08:24,930 --> 01:08:28,889
S10: to keep it. But if that stuff is in a

1277
01:08:28,890 --> 01:08:32,250
S10: box in your garage, I question your love. I do

1278
01:08:32,290 --> 01:08:35,130
S10: not think that it's that important to you. If you

1279
01:08:35,130 --> 01:08:38,570
S10: say no, it really is, then I need you to

1280
01:08:38,610 --> 01:08:41,170
S10: curate it. I need you to frame those ribbons. I

1281
01:08:41,170 --> 01:08:43,530
S10: need you to put them in your study. I need

1282
01:08:43,530 --> 01:08:46,970
S10: you to pull out grandma's apron and hang it on

1283
01:08:46,970 --> 01:08:49,610
S10: a hook in your kitchen so that you can see it.

1284
01:08:49,850 --> 01:08:55,370
S10: And it's. We keep things because we're afraid we're going

1285
01:08:55,370 --> 01:08:59,130
S10: to lose the memories. But if it's important, we're not

1286
01:08:59,130 --> 01:09:01,939
S10: going to lose that memory. So either take a picture

1287
01:09:01,939 --> 01:09:04,219
S10: of it, display it, or donate it.

1288
01:09:04,860 --> 01:09:07,420
S3: Kathy. What is clutter doing in us that God can

1289
01:09:07,420 --> 01:09:08,100
S3: do better?

1290
01:09:09,500 --> 01:09:16,259
S10: Ooh, safety. It is giving us a false sense of safety. Uh,

1291
01:09:16,420 --> 01:09:20,860
S10: I've had so many people tell me that they are

1292
01:09:21,220 --> 01:09:25,580
S10: stocking up because of tariffs, because of what's going on

1293
01:09:25,580 --> 01:09:29,500
S10: in the world. They're feeling this uneasiness. And I am

1294
01:09:29,500 --> 01:09:33,380
S10: not I'm not condemning anybody. But that's not where our

1295
01:09:33,380 --> 01:09:36,500
S10: safety is. It's okay to, you know, buy a couple

1296
01:09:36,540 --> 01:09:40,780
S10: extra tubes of toothpaste and I guys I'm I'm a

1297
01:09:40,780 --> 01:09:45,100
S10: light prepper. There is canned food in my garage, but

1298
01:09:45,460 --> 01:09:48,700
S10: that is not where my safety lies. My there are

1299
01:09:48,820 --> 01:09:53,219
S10: resources there that if something is to happen, I can

1300
01:09:53,220 --> 01:09:55,939
S10: share with my community. I can help take care of

1301
01:09:55,939 --> 01:09:59,790
S10: my neighbor. But again, that's not where my safety lies.

1302
01:09:59,790 --> 01:10:04,630
S10: My safety lies only in God and God alone. And

1303
01:10:04,630 --> 01:10:08,630
S10: so from God, I have wisdom about how to take

1304
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:11,070
S10: care of my household. I have wisdom about how to

1305
01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:14,870
S10: take care of my neighbors. But my safety does not

1306
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:18,590
S10: lie in canned food. My safety does not lie in

1307
01:10:18,630 --> 01:10:22,510
S10: having an extra six pairs of jeans, because what if

1308
01:10:22,510 --> 01:10:26,550
S10: I get a hole in one of my safety only

1309
01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:27,429
S10: lies in God?

1310
01:10:27,990 --> 01:10:30,309
S4: Cathy Lipp. Our guest right now. If you want more

1311
01:10:30,550 --> 01:10:33,670
S4: resources on her website, there are so many there. Text

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01:10:33,670 --> 01:10:41,430
S4: clutter to 800 555 7898. Clutter to (800) 555-7898. I'm going

1313
01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:43,670
S4: to give you a two part question, Cathy. These came

1314
01:10:43,670 --> 01:10:46,349
S4: in back to back text messages. One of them deals

1315
01:10:46,350 --> 01:10:50,509
S4: with clothes. Um, how do I get rid of old clothes?

1316
01:10:50,510 --> 01:10:53,229
S4: I'd like to go back to maybe a different size.

1317
01:10:53,229 --> 01:10:55,189
S4: I'm going to hang on to this stuff. So when

1318
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:58,439
S4: I lose weight, I'll wear it again. Another one deals

1319
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:03,439
S4: with some of the electronic stuff that we're holding on to. CDs, DVDs, videotapes.

1320
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:05,519
S4: Speak first to the clothes and then you can get

1321
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:06,879
S4: to the electronic stuff.

1322
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:10,840
S10: Yeah. So close. Here's what I would say. If if

1323
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:15,520
S10: you are actively working on changing the size of your body,

1324
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,920
S10: then curate the stuff that you loved when you were

1325
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:23,560
S10: that size, maybe get, you know, four pairs of pants,

1326
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:28,559
S10: six shirts, a couple of dresses, a skirt and pack

1327
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:32,920
S10: those away. And as your body changes, you can open

1328
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,200
S10: that up. But you don't need to keep everything from

1329
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,200
S10: that era. You don't need to keep it all. I

1330
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:42,000
S10: know most decluttering experts would say get rid of everything,

1331
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:45,360
S10: but I understand wanting to have a few safety clothes,

1332
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:49,160
S10: but those should not be hanging out with the. The

1333
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:52,080
S10: only thing in your closet should be things that you

1334
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,969
S10: could put on right now and wear and feel great in.

1335
01:11:55,210 --> 01:11:58,849
S10: And so if that is not the criteria you have,

1336
01:11:58,850 --> 01:12:02,570
S10: it's time to declutter and get rid of those things.

1337
01:12:02,770 --> 01:12:05,650
S10: And it's a lot of the things that you love.

1338
01:12:06,370 --> 01:12:09,729
S10: As somebody who has lost £100, I know there were

1339
01:12:09,729 --> 01:12:14,410
S10: things that I absolutely loved when I was smaller, and

1340
01:12:14,410 --> 01:12:17,090
S10: then there were things that I bought just as filler

1341
01:12:17,210 --> 01:12:20,330
S10: to keep the things that you love. And as your

1342
01:12:20,330 --> 01:12:23,729
S10: body changes, though, as an expert on this, because I

1343
01:12:23,770 --> 01:12:26,969
S10: have lost the weight, you don't want to go back

1344
01:12:26,970 --> 01:12:30,089
S10: to most of those clothes. When you have a new body,

1345
01:12:30,130 --> 01:12:33,250
S10: you you want to dress it differently. You want to

1346
01:12:33,290 --> 01:12:36,689
S10: be different in how you show up. So only keep

1347
01:12:36,689 --> 01:12:40,050
S10: the things that you're like, no, this was my absolute favorite.

1348
01:12:40,290 --> 01:12:45,849
S10: And when it comes to electronics one. Find the donation

1349
01:12:45,850 --> 01:12:49,849
S10: place in your community. Know where it is. Get to

1350
01:12:49,890 --> 01:12:54,780
S10: know the name of the guy. Go there regularly the I.

1351
01:12:54,820 --> 01:12:58,299
S10: I mean the amount. I live with an engineer. Okay,

1352
01:12:58,340 --> 01:13:02,340
S10: this is a battle that we fight and you have

1353
01:13:02,340 --> 01:13:05,580
S10: to get those obsolete things out of your house. They are.

1354
01:13:06,020 --> 01:13:09,820
S10: Technology never comes back into fashion. That is just not

1355
01:13:09,820 --> 01:13:14,059
S10: a thing. And when it comes to, um, VCR tapes

1356
01:13:14,060 --> 01:13:16,939
S10: and things like that, you're most of them, you're just

1357
01:13:16,939 --> 01:13:19,019
S10: going to want to pitch most of them. But if

1358
01:13:19,020 --> 01:13:22,500
S10: there are things like your, your son's first birthday, they're

1359
01:13:22,540 --> 01:13:26,099
S10: just Google places in your community, or there are things

1360
01:13:26,100 --> 01:13:28,979
S10: that you can send things off to to have those

1361
01:13:28,979 --> 01:13:33,540
S10: converted into digital media, if that's important to you. But

1362
01:13:33,740 --> 01:13:39,300
S10: I would tapes denigrate over time. And so it's if

1363
01:13:39,340 --> 01:13:42,700
S10: you put that into a VCR today and it's 30

1364
01:13:42,740 --> 01:13:45,939
S10: years old, it may not even play. It's time to

1365
01:13:45,979 --> 01:13:50,140
S10: either throw them away or make the decision to invest

1366
01:13:50,140 --> 01:13:52,590
S10: in getting that turned into digital media.

1367
01:13:52,630 --> 01:13:55,589
S3: Phenomenal content here. Going back to the phone lines, Trish,

1368
01:13:55,590 --> 01:13:58,349
S3: thanks for holding on. First time caller in Palm Beach.

1369
01:13:59,110 --> 01:14:01,670
S14: Um yes. Thank you. I moved from California. I have

1370
01:14:01,670 --> 01:14:05,550
S14: a garage full of everything, electronics and a couple pieces

1371
01:14:05,550 --> 01:14:08,389
S14: that mean a lot to me. Uh, but I need

1372
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:13,509
S14: to figure out the pieces are on Facebook market. Let go.

1373
01:14:13,510 --> 01:14:16,549
S14: And many other apps to let go of these items.

1374
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:20,070
S14: I'm not getting a lot of attention. So what should

1375
01:14:20,070 --> 01:14:20,589
S14: I do?

1376
01:14:21,790 --> 01:14:23,349
S3: Great question. What do you say, Kathy?

1377
01:14:24,110 --> 01:14:28,150
S10: That's a great question. So here's my question. What? What

1378
01:14:28,150 --> 01:14:32,269
S10: do you need more the money or the space? And

1379
01:14:32,390 --> 01:14:36,510
S10: that will help you determine whether it's time to let

1380
01:14:36,510 --> 01:14:40,830
S10: it go. Also, uh, if there's an expert in your area,

1381
01:14:40,870 --> 01:14:44,710
S10: because sometimes we assign value to something because it's old,

1382
01:14:44,710 --> 01:14:49,229
S10: but maybe, you know, like an old pedal sewing machine. Uh,

1383
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:53,000
S10: those are a dime a dozen. I mean, they're really

1384
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:57,599
S10: they're not unique because everybody's great grandmother. Grandmother had one

1385
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,719
S10: of those. And so find out if it's really worth

1386
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:04,360
S10: what you think it's worth. And if it's not, it's

1387
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:09,519
S10: okay to lower your expectations. And, uh, but oftentimes we

1388
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,360
S10: need the space more than the money. And so maybe

1389
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:15,040
S10: it's time to donate it. Maybe it's time to put

1390
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:18,240
S10: it out on the curb with a free sign. But

1391
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:21,320
S10: if you're like, no, there is real money there, then

1392
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:26,040
S10: I would look at some of those Facebook groups and say,

1393
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:29,320
S10: are they advertising something similar in a different way? Have

1394
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:33,639
S10: they taken different pictures? Maybe you need to, uh, you know, uh,

1395
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:36,839
S10: restore it a little bit before you sell it. And

1396
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:39,360
S10: if you're not willing to do all that, you probably

1397
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:41,160
S10: need the space more than the money.

1398
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,639
S4: Great. Great response. Kathy Lipp, our guest right now taking

1399
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:49,050
S4: your questions on clutter organization. Her podcast is called The

1400
01:15:49,050 --> 01:15:52,210
S4: Clutter Free Academy. If you want more text clutter to

1401
01:15:52,250 --> 01:15:56,849
S4: 800 555 7898. Let's go back to the phones. We've

1402
01:15:56,890 --> 01:16:00,049
S4: got Mark calling in. First time caller from Memphis, Tennessee.

1403
01:16:00,090 --> 01:16:01,970
S4: Good morning. Mark. Go ahead with your question.

1404
01:16:03,570 --> 01:16:03,889
S8: Yeah.

1405
01:16:03,890 --> 01:16:07,050
S15: What do we do when our spouse doesn't want to declutter?

1406
01:16:08,090 --> 01:16:10,890
S3: That's a that's a fair, tough question. What do you

1407
01:16:10,890 --> 01:16:11,530
S3: say Kathy?

1408
01:16:11,570 --> 01:16:15,009
S10: It it is one of my most common questions too.

1409
01:16:15,050 --> 01:16:18,970
S10: And I'm sorry you're in that situation. Uh, there are

1410
01:16:18,970 --> 01:16:22,650
S10: a couple of levels. So I always say, don't argue

1411
01:16:22,650 --> 01:16:28,330
S10: about stuff. Agree on space. So if if you've got

1412
01:16:28,330 --> 01:16:32,130
S10: a garage and you feel like it's overwhelmed. Now, first

1413
01:16:32,130 --> 01:16:34,290
S10: of all, take care of your side of the street.

1414
01:16:34,290 --> 01:16:38,090
S10: Make sure that your decluttering what you can declutter. But

1415
01:16:38,090 --> 01:16:40,969
S10: for a long time, what we agreed on is you

1416
01:16:40,970 --> 01:16:45,450
S10: have one gorilla rack. I have one gorilla rack. And you.

1417
01:16:45,490 --> 01:16:48,190
S10: I don't care what you keep on your gorilla rack,

1418
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:50,910
S10: as long as it's on the gorilla rack. The other

1419
01:16:50,910 --> 01:16:55,670
S10: thing I would say is, uh, to make sure that

1420
01:16:55,950 --> 01:17:00,990
S10: your spouse understands the reason you want to declutter, that

1421
01:17:00,990 --> 01:17:03,830
S10: you're not just picking on them and saying, you know,

1422
01:17:03,870 --> 01:17:06,269
S10: if you if you're saying I want to have a

1423
01:17:06,270 --> 01:17:10,269
S10: home that I can rest my brain in the clutter

1424
01:17:10,270 --> 01:17:12,670
S10: makes me anxious, or I want to be able to

1425
01:17:12,710 --> 01:17:17,830
S10: invite our grandkids here, and I. I don't feel safe

1426
01:17:17,830 --> 01:17:23,189
S10: with all of this clutter. Give the underlying reason, uh,

1427
01:17:23,310 --> 01:17:27,030
S10: that is often so. It doesn't feel like you're picking

1428
01:17:27,030 --> 01:17:29,389
S10: on each other. But what you're saying is, I have

1429
01:17:29,390 --> 01:17:32,510
S10: a deeper reason. Instead of not just I want to

1430
01:17:32,510 --> 01:17:35,189
S10: be a neatnik. I really want to be able to

1431
01:17:35,189 --> 01:17:38,590
S10: have a functional home. And then the third level, I

1432
01:17:38,590 --> 01:17:41,990
S10: would say, you know, the first one is agree on

1433
01:17:42,030 --> 01:17:46,840
S10: on space. Don't argue about stuff. Number two, give the

1434
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:50,799
S10: underlying reason why you want to declutter. And number three,

1435
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:56,640
S10: sometimes it's it's a marital issue. I truly, um I

1436
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:58,679
S10: don't care that you want to have a clean house.

1437
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:01,120
S10: I don't want to. I don't care that this is

1438
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:04,800
S10: causing you anxiety. If it's getting to that level, then

1439
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:09,000
S10: that's a marital issue, not a clutter issue. And you. Yeah.

1440
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:10,880
S10: See a pastor. Absolutely.

1441
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:13,799
S4: Kathy Lipp, our guest right now, this is a question.

1442
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:15,800
S4: This is a unique one. Maybe you've gotten this one

1443
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:19,120
S4: before Kathy, but got a question about digital clutter. Says

1444
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:22,840
S4: I have almost 500 tabs on my iPhone. That's the

1445
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,000
S4: max that it will allow. I go through and close

1446
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:27,880
S4: some of them because. But I feel like I need

1447
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:30,200
S4: to get back to reading that. But then I open more.

1448
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,559
S4: The number goes back up, the thought of someone closing

1449
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,639
S4: all of my tabs as my family tells me just

1450
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:37,840
S4: to do, just to close them all. I panic at

1451
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,280
S4: the thought. Had another similar question about someone who feels

1452
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,689
S4: the same way about their or their laptop or their

1453
01:18:42,689 --> 01:18:45,769
S4: desktop that they have an overwhelming amount of digital clutter

1454
01:18:45,770 --> 01:18:48,490
S4: and aren't quite sure how to get rid of that.

1455
01:18:49,530 --> 01:18:53,010
S10: Yeah. So let's talk about tabs first. And I don't

1456
01:18:53,010 --> 01:18:59,450
S10: want to overspiritualize here, but I think oftentimes, uh, you know,

1457
01:18:59,490 --> 01:19:02,929
S10: I'm going to close my tabs and trust that God

1458
01:19:02,930 --> 01:19:08,330
S10: will bring me new information. I, I don't want to overspiritualize,

1459
01:19:08,530 --> 01:19:14,490
S10: but sometimes I think it is a not trusting God

1460
01:19:14,610 --> 01:19:19,689
S10: for the next thing. And so I, I want to

1461
01:19:19,729 --> 01:19:23,729
S10: encourage you go through can you give yourself a goal

1462
01:19:23,729 --> 01:19:28,450
S10: of closing 100 tabs? You know, things that you know. Oh,

1463
01:19:28,490 --> 01:19:31,010
S10: that recipe looked good, but, you know, I'm probably not

1464
01:19:31,010 --> 01:19:35,090
S10: going to make it. That article looked interesting. So either

1465
01:19:35,090 --> 01:19:39,129
S10: read the article or close it and trust that something

1466
01:19:39,130 --> 01:19:42,740
S10: better is going to come along. And because I will

1467
01:19:42,740 --> 01:19:46,219
S10: tell you what I believe open tabs are they are

1468
01:19:46,340 --> 01:19:51,140
S10: open loops in our brain. We can't concentrate because we

1469
01:19:51,140 --> 01:19:55,099
S10: have so many open tabs going on. It can be

1470
01:19:55,340 --> 01:20:01,700
S10: it's anxiety producing. So, uh, I would really encourage you

1471
01:20:01,979 --> 01:20:05,660
S10: try to close 100 tabs. I know that seems overwhelming,

1472
01:20:05,660 --> 01:20:08,580
S10: but I bet as you start to go through, you say, oh,

1473
01:20:08,660 --> 01:20:11,260
S10: you know what? There's new information on this or that

1474
01:20:11,260 --> 01:20:16,179
S10: article was from 2024. There's, you know, news has happened

1475
01:20:16,180 --> 01:20:20,020
S10: since then. And then when it comes to digital media,

1476
01:20:20,300 --> 01:20:24,019
S10: it can be quite overwhelming. I would say one of

1477
01:20:24,020 --> 01:20:26,660
S10: the things that I think is very important for everybody

1478
01:20:26,660 --> 01:20:31,099
S10: to have is a password manager. And so, uh, you

1479
01:20:31,100 --> 01:20:35,820
S10: can to make sure you're not keeping passwords in different

1480
01:20:35,820 --> 01:20:40,189
S10: places because that can be overwhelming. And then also when

1481
01:20:40,189 --> 01:20:44,669
S10: it comes to email, sometimes you just have to call

1482
01:20:44,710 --> 01:20:47,910
S10: an audible and say, you know what, I'm going to.

1483
01:20:47,950 --> 01:20:53,070
S10: I would encourage you to unsubscribe from every store, every

1484
01:20:53,229 --> 01:20:57,870
S10: mail list, everything that is not serving you. And then

1485
01:20:57,910 --> 01:21:00,710
S10: at some point, just contact the people that you have

1486
01:21:00,710 --> 01:21:04,429
S10: not responded to and say, hey, you know what? I'm

1487
01:21:04,430 --> 01:21:07,910
S10: sorry I haven't responded for the last six emails. Let's

1488
01:21:07,910 --> 01:21:12,670
S10: start over. Sometimes you just need to to get out

1489
01:21:12,670 --> 01:21:16,070
S10: of that. And when it comes to files on your computer, uh,

1490
01:21:16,229 --> 01:21:23,110
S10: go through and probably anything before 2018 if you are

1491
01:21:23,110 --> 01:21:26,349
S10: not looking at it, look, look at where the dates

1492
01:21:26,350 --> 01:21:31,030
S10: on your files and delete anything that you haven't used

1493
01:21:31,189 --> 01:21:34,070
S10: in the past 7 to 8 years. That is going

1494
01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:37,070
S10: to give you, uh, a little bit of freedom and

1495
01:21:37,070 --> 01:21:38,349
S10: a little bit of breathing room.