WEBVTT - Hour 2: Richard Dawkins or Intelligent Design? 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.800 Hi friend, thank you so much for downloading this podcast 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:06.920 and I truly hope you hear something that edifies encourage, equips, enlightens, 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:09.520 and then gets you out there in the marketplace of ideas. 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:11.440 But before you go, I want to tell you about 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:14.680 this month's truth tool. It's called Have You Ever Wondered? 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:17.720 And I absolutely love this topic because if you're like me, 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:19.600 going out into the night sky and looking up and 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:22.439 seeing a million stars, don't you just stop and think 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:24.560 about God? 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Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall. 0:02:24.380 --> 0:02:26.900 A very happy Tuesday to you. Get your passports ready 0:02:26.900 --> 0:02:29.380 because we're going to wing our way Down Under and 0:02:29.380 --> 0:02:32.220 catch up with our favorite Scottish apologist who has a 0:02:32.220 --> 0:02:33.900 thing or two to say about a thing or two. 0:02:34.100 --> 0:02:35.859 But first, we've got to give you some news. If 0:02:35.860 --> 0:02:38.380 you were watching last night and I certainly was midnight 0:02:38.419 --> 0:02:41.820 East Coast time, the cease fire between Israel and Iran 0:02:41.820 --> 0:02:45.700 was supposed to have taken place 27 minutes after midnight. 0:02:46.380 --> 0:02:50.260 Tehran shoots rockets at Israel again into an area where 0:02:50.300 --> 0:02:52.859 citizens lived. Not a hospital, not a military base where 0:02:52.860 --> 0:02:54.740 people lived, and there were people who were killed as 0:02:54.740 --> 0:02:58.510 a result. Israel then responds. The president then gets a 0:02:58.510 --> 0:03:00.310 little hot under the collar as he leaves to go 0:03:00.310 --> 0:03:03.230 to NATO, and is angry at both because both he 0:03:03.230 --> 0:03:07.269 decide broke the cease fire. I understand that technically that's true, 0:03:07.270 --> 0:03:09.750 but apparently Donald Trump is about to learn something about 0:03:09.750 --> 0:03:12.790 the Israelis and their government. They don't ask permission to 0:03:12.830 --> 0:03:15.790 defend themselves. That is a nation built with a shovel 0:03:15.790 --> 0:03:17.590 in one hand and a rifle in the other. And 0:03:17.590 --> 0:03:22.030 when individuals are attacked by Iran, especially when Iran agreed 0:03:22.030 --> 0:03:24.430 to the cease fire and the president put it out 0:03:24.430 --> 0:03:27.709 on truth Social, in fact, he said, congratulations to everyone. 0:03:27.710 --> 0:03:30.110 It's been fully agreed by and between Israel and Iran 0:03:30.110 --> 0:03:32.429 that there will be a complete and total cease fire. 0:03:32.750 --> 0:03:34.910 I held my breath because I thought, yeah, this is 0:03:34.910 --> 0:03:36.910 kind of like the deal that Hamas does on a 0:03:36.910 --> 0:03:38.790 regular basis. They always say the same thing, and then 0:03:38.790 --> 0:03:41.030 the next thing you know, they're firing more missiles. So 0:03:41.030 --> 0:03:43.470 I'm not the least bit surprised. So what is going 0:03:43.470 --> 0:03:45.230 to happen in the days ahead? Will there be a 0:03:45.230 --> 0:03:47.710 cease fire? If there is, will it hold? Well, for 0:03:47.710 --> 0:03:49.950 more news on this, I turn to CBN news where 0:03:49.950 --> 0:03:51.750 my friend Chris Mitchell reports. 0:03:51.950 --> 0:03:55.490 Israel and Iran agreed to President Trump's cease fire announcement, 0:03:55.490 --> 0:03:59.450 but within hours, Iran fired two missiles toward northern Israel. 0:03:59.810 --> 0:04:04.570 Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz ordered the IDF to strike Tehran. 0:04:04.770 --> 0:04:08.170 President Trump urged Israel to call off the response and 0:04:08.170 --> 0:04:10.529 said he's unhappy with both sides. 0:04:10.570 --> 0:04:13.170 So I'm not happy with them. I'm not happy with 0:04:13.170 --> 0:04:16.289 Iran either, but I'm really unhappy if Israel is going 0:04:16.290 --> 0:04:19.490 out this morning because of one rocket that didn't land 0:04:19.490 --> 0:04:22.930 that was shot, perhaps by mistake that didn't land. I'm 0:04:22.970 --> 0:04:24.210 not happy about that. 0:04:25.730 --> 0:04:29.049 Just before the cease fire began, a deadly Iranian missile 0:04:29.050 --> 0:04:33.330 slammed into the southern Israeli town of Beersheba. CBN Middle 0:04:33.330 --> 0:04:36.210 East correspondent Julie Stahl visited the scene. 0:04:36.770 --> 0:04:40.490 The seven story building behind me got a direct hit 0:04:40.490 --> 0:04:43.890 from Iranian missile, just about the time the cease fire 0:04:43.890 --> 0:04:47.890 was supposed to take effect. One bystander commented that this 0:04:47.890 --> 0:04:51.370 is what an Iranian ceasefire looks like. Killing Jews to 0:04:51.410 --> 0:04:52.330 the last minute. 0:04:52.690 --> 0:04:56.300 President Trump posted the cease fire announcement on Monday night. 0:04:56.660 --> 0:05:00.539 Congratulations to everyone. It has been fully agreed by and 0:05:00.540 --> 0:05:03.860 between Israel and Iran that there will be a complete 0:05:03.860 --> 0:05:07.540 and total cease fire. He followed that with another post 0:05:07.540 --> 0:05:11.620 that said, Israel and Iran came to me almost simultaneously 0:05:11.620 --> 0:05:15.339 and said, peace. I knew the time was now. The 0:05:15.339 --> 0:05:20.860 world and the Middle East are the real winners. This 0:05:20.860 --> 0:05:24.380 just hours after Iran launched a barrage of missiles at 0:05:24.380 --> 0:05:28.219 a U.S. military base in Qatar. 13 of the 14 0:05:28.220 --> 0:05:32.540 missiles were intercepted and the attack did little damage. Iran 0:05:32.540 --> 0:05:36.779 notified Qatar of the attack beforehand, giving the U.S. time 0:05:36.779 --> 0:05:41.060 to prepare. After Trump's announcement, the Israeli government released a 0:05:41.060 --> 0:05:43.860 statement and said it achieved the main goals of its 0:05:43.860 --> 0:05:49.660 military operations against Iran. Israel has removed a dual immediate 0:05:49.660 --> 0:05:53.470 existential threat both in the nuclear field and in the 0:05:53.470 --> 0:05:57.990 field of ballistic missiles. In addition, the IDF achieved complete 0:05:58.029 --> 0:06:02.710 air control over the skies of Tehran. Inflicted severe damage 0:06:02.710 --> 0:06:07.070 on the military leadership and destroyed dozens of central Iranian 0:06:07.070 --> 0:06:11.150 government targets in the past two days. The IDF also 0:06:11.150 --> 0:06:15.229 hit Evin Prison, the headquarters of the Bee-gees, and the 0:06:15.230 --> 0:06:18.310 Israel destruction Clock inside Tehran. 0:06:18.550 --> 0:06:21.830 These are not sites that have strategic significance, but they 0:06:21.830 --> 0:06:25.990 have immense political significance. They are the pillars, if you will, 0:06:26.310 --> 0:06:30.470 of this horrendous regime. And by bombing them, Israel has 0:06:30.470 --> 0:06:34.590 weakened that regime. And so, ultimately, the greatest guarantee we 0:06:34.589 --> 0:06:39.310 have for a non-nuclear, non-dangerous, non-threatening Iran is by the 0:06:39.310 --> 0:06:40.470 removal of the regime. 0:06:40.510 --> 0:06:43.510 Also on Monday, Reza Pahlavi, the son of the late 0:06:43.550 --> 0:06:47.350 Shah of Iran, presented himself as a figure who can 0:06:47.350 --> 0:06:51.880 unify the country if the Iranian government Collapses, he said. 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:54.240 The regime is on its last legs. 0:06:54.440 --> 0:07:01.880 The Islamic Republic is collapsing. Credible reports indicate that Ali 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:07.200 Khamenei's family and the family of senior regime officials are 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:09.880 making preparations to flee Iran. 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:12.640 It remains to be seen if this cease fire will 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:16.560 provide a lifeline to the ayatollah, or if the 12 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.520 day war has so weakened the regime that the people 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:23.240 of Iran could rise up to overthrow the government. In 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:27.560 an ominous statement, the head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organization 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:31.480 said it plans to restart their nuclear program. Chris Mitchell 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:33.440 CBN news, Jerusalem. 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:36.840 So you and me praying for the situation far from over. 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:39.880 Now again, one of the concerns is Iran retaliates by 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:42.040 sleeper cells that have worked their way into the United States. 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:45.280 The previous administration we had porous borders, millions of people 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:49.530 poured in. And CBS news now reports that 11 Iranians 0:07:49.530 --> 0:07:51.850 have been arrested in the last 48 hours by Ice. 0:07:51.890 --> 0:07:52.610 Have a listen. 0:07:52.650 --> 0:07:56.650 The Department of Homeland Security says Yousef Merendino had been 0:07:56.650 --> 0:08:00.730 living in the United States illegally for nearly eight years, 0:08:00.770 --> 0:08:04.530 since U.S. officials determined he lied on a visa application. 0:08:04.570 --> 0:08:08.170 On Sunday, just four months after the Iranian foreign national 0:08:08.170 --> 0:08:12.170 was added to the U. S known or suspected terrorist list, 0:08:12.210 --> 0:08:15.930 he was arrested in central Mississippi. He's now in Ice 0:08:15.970 --> 0:08:19.850 custody pending removal proceedings. And he's not alone. Over the 0:08:19.850 --> 0:08:25.210 past 48 hours, Ice officials have arrested 11 Iranian nationals 0:08:25.210 --> 0:08:31.250 spanning eight states nationwide. Among them, five possessed previous criminal convictions, 0:08:31.250 --> 0:08:35.570 their crimes ranging from grand larceny to drug and firearm possession. 0:08:35.850 --> 0:08:40.450 Also among those apprehended, Ribar Karimi while arresting him in 0:08:40.450 --> 0:08:44.530 northern Alabama. Ice officials say they found his Islamic Republic 0:08:44.530 --> 0:08:49.220 of Iran Army identification card and allege he served as 0:08:49.220 --> 0:08:52.980 an Iranian sniper between 2018 and 2021. 0:08:54.500 --> 0:08:57.860 So more reasons for us to keep praying. Absolutely. Now 0:08:57.860 --> 0:08:59.660 we're going to trust in the Lord. He's still on 0:08:59.660 --> 0:09:02.020 the throne. He hasn't been unseated despite what's going on 0:09:02.020 --> 0:09:04.620 in the Middle East. But it's an opportunity yet again 0:09:04.900 --> 0:09:07.100 for you and me to be praying for those in authority, 0:09:07.100 --> 0:09:09.820 particularly now as the world leaders are meeting at NATO, 0:09:10.179 --> 0:09:14.020 all of them talking about world economic situations. But obviously 0:09:14.059 --> 0:09:17.179 Zelenskyy is there and there are other representatives from other countries. So, 0:09:17.179 --> 0:09:19.179 you know, they're going to be talking about wars, rumors 0:09:19.179 --> 0:09:22.300 and wars, coalitions, alliances, the list goes on and on 0:09:22.300 --> 0:09:23.699 and on. I don't know about you, but if there 0:09:23.700 --> 0:09:25.540 were ever a meeting when wisdom needs to take a 0:09:25.540 --> 0:09:28.580 seat at the table, it would be that meeting. Also, 0:09:28.580 --> 0:09:31.660 pray for those in authority in Iran and in Israel, 0:09:31.660 --> 0:09:34.860 but particularly pray for the people of Iran and Israel. 0:09:35.100 --> 0:09:38.260 They all want liberty and freedom, and particularly the people 0:09:38.260 --> 0:09:39.940 of Iran, who would love for there to be a 0:09:39.940 --> 0:09:42.459 regime change. But they're hungry for something more than what 0:09:42.460 --> 0:09:45.420 they've had for the last 46 years. Pray for them 0:09:45.420 --> 0:09:58.790 back after this. The questions that matter most often come 0:09:58.790 --> 0:10:01.470 while watching a sunset, or listening to music, or looking 0:10:01.470 --> 0:10:04.110 into the night sky. That's why I've chosen. Have you 0:10:04.110 --> 0:10:07.230 ever wondered, as this month's truth tool? God draws us 0:10:07.230 --> 0:10:09.510 to himself through a sense of awe and wonder, and 0:10:09.510 --> 0:10:11.750 this book will help you discover how. As for your 0:10:11.750 --> 0:10:13.510 copy of. Have you ever wondered when you'd give a 0:10:13.550 --> 0:10:17.550 gift of any amount in the market? Call eight 7758, 0:10:17.590 --> 0:10:21.150 that's eight 7758 or go to in the market with 0:10:21.150 --> 0:10:21.870 Janet Parshall. 0:10:27.550 --> 0:10:31.710 Britain's parliament voted on Tuesday to decriminalise abortion in England 0:10:31.710 --> 0:10:32.470 and Wales. 0:10:33.630 --> 0:10:34.790 The eyes are right. 0:10:34.830 --> 0:10:41.829 379 lawmakers voted 379 to 137 to end prosecutions of 0:10:41.830 --> 0:10:45.560 women for ending pregnancies. Abortions have been legal in England 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.400 and Wales for nearly 60 years, but only up until 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:52.720 24 weeks, and with two doctors approvals. Women choosing to 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:56.400 end a pregnancy after that could face criminal charges and 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:59.840 up to life in prison, while criminal charges for breaking 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:02.840 the law are rare. They've risen since the pandemic, when 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.079 a change in the law allowed abortion pills to be 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:09.439 taken at home within ten weeks of conception. Tonia Antoniazzi, 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:12.680 a Labour member of Parliament who proposed the amendment, said 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:15.480 the law had been used to investigate 100 women in 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:18.520 the last five years. That included some women who had 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:22.120 given birth prematurely or had been forced into abortions by 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:26.880 abusive partners. The proposal to decriminalise abortion could still change 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.600 or be rejected, as it's part of a bigger bill 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:33.000 going through Parliament. If passed, it would bring the abortion 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:36.559 laws in England and Wales in line with other Western countries, 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:41.480 including France, Canada and Australia. Some politicians warned the amendment 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:45.740 was rushed and could have unintended effects. Rebecca Paul, a 0:11:45.740 --> 0:11:49.579 conservative member of Parliament, said it could see, quote, fully 0:11:49.580 --> 0:11:54.579 developed babies be aborted by a woman with no consequences, 0:11:54.700 --> 0:11:58.140 while women under the proposed law would not face prosecution. 0:11:58.260 --> 0:12:01.979 Medical professionals who assist them in getting abortions after 24 0:12:01.980 --> 0:12:05.339 weeks would still be liable. In May, a British woman 0:12:05.340 --> 0:12:09.140 was acquitted after taking abortion pills past the legal limit, 0:12:09.140 --> 0:12:11.740 saying she didn't know how far along she was. 0:12:13.100 --> 0:12:15.020 That, by the way, is a major problem that we've 0:12:15.020 --> 0:12:17.939 discussed on this programme over and over again. It's why 0:12:17.940 --> 0:12:19.700 the abortion pills went all the way up to the 0:12:19.700 --> 0:12:22.700 United States Supreme Court. There is a limit. If you 0:12:22.700 --> 0:12:25.020 read the label and you apply it of no more 0:12:25.059 --> 0:12:27.860 than ten weeks gestational age, and one of the concerns 0:12:27.860 --> 0:12:30.100 people have said put some guardrails back in around this 0:12:30.100 --> 0:12:33.460 medication is if mama like this story reports doesn't know 0:12:33.460 --> 0:12:35.220 how far along she is, is she going to hemorrhage 0:12:35.220 --> 0:12:36.939 to death in the bathroom? Who's going to be there? 0:12:36.940 --> 0:12:38.780 How is that pro-woman? We know that it's going to 0:12:38.780 --> 0:12:40.420 kill the baby, but it might kill the mother, too. 0:12:40.460 --> 0:12:43.590 How is this a good idea? So this little abortion pill, 0:12:43.590 --> 0:12:46.110 which is really two pills and a two step regime, 0:12:46.350 --> 0:12:49.630 is really manufactured in hell. And it is completely changed 0:12:49.630 --> 0:12:53.310 this debate. So David Robertson didn't skip a beat on this. 0:12:53.309 --> 0:12:55.590 And he writes an article for Christian today, not to 0:12:55.590 --> 0:12:58.630 be confused with Christianity Today. And his opening line is this. 0:12:58.630 --> 0:13:01.070 At first I didn't take it seriously. I heard the 0:13:01.070 --> 0:13:03.030 news that a couple of amendments to the Crime and 0:13:03.030 --> 0:13:06.230 Policing Bill were coming to the UK Parliament to, in effect, 0:13:06.270 --> 0:13:09.270 allow abortion on demand up to birth. And I assumed 0:13:09.270 --> 0:13:11.390 that this was the work of the radical extremists who 0:13:11.390 --> 0:13:13.350 think that any woman should be able to kill her 0:13:13.350 --> 0:13:15.990 own child up to birth. I assumed that such an 0:13:15.990 --> 0:13:19.510 extreme measure would be overwhelmingly rejected, but I was wrong. 0:13:19.790 --> 0:13:22.830 And then some. David joins us from Australia, where it 0:13:22.830 --> 0:13:25.630 is tomorrow. So I always say in terms of my eschatology, 0:13:25.630 --> 0:13:28.230 I guess it means that the Lord doesn't come tomorrow 0:13:28.230 --> 0:13:31.910 because David's living there and we're having this conversation, and 0:13:31.910 --> 0:13:33.990 I know he loves Jesus and I know he follows him. 0:13:33.990 --> 0:13:36.990 He is a Scottish Presbyterian minister, is currently serving as 0:13:37.030 --> 0:13:41.160 Scots Kirk, Newcastle, New South Wales in Australia. He broadcasts, 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:43.320 he writes, he blogs, he does a column. He hosts 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:46.280 The Quantum of the Wee Flea, and he's a fabulous writer. 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:48.040 We get to talk to him on a monthly basis, 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:49.560 and I am so grateful. And I have a link 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:52.320 to The Wee Flea so you can follow his writings, 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:54.600 because he is Johnny on the spot with all of 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:58.559 these stories that are making headlines, including reacting rightfully and 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:02.880 immediately to this unconscionable move inside the Parliament. David, the 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:06.680 warmest of welcomes, I want to cut right to this. Why? 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:08.520 What was the need? What was the move to be 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:11.000 able to do this? Because I think the conservative MP 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:13.280 was right when she said that this is going to 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:15.040 open the doors to be able to say you can 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:17.800 have abortion up to the moment of birth. Talk to 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:18.559 me about this. 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:24.440 Yeah. It's a it's a sad day, you know, um, 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:26.400 I let me let me just say at the beginning 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:28.440 that as, as always, Janet, I was thinking about this. 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:31.040 It's a privilege to talk to you. We talk every month. 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.280 And I think it was about ten years ago that 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:35.800 we had a one off conversation. And it's just kept going. 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:39.330 So truly, it's been brilliant. You know, one day I 0:14:39.370 --> 0:14:41.690 hope we meet up before we get to heaven. You 0:14:41.690 --> 0:14:43.570 know about what? One day I'll come over to the 0:14:43.570 --> 0:14:45.850 States and surprise you. And we can do something in 0:14:45.850 --> 0:14:47.850 your studio. That would be lovely. 0:14:47.890 --> 0:14:48.410 I would love. 0:14:48.410 --> 0:14:50.690 It. Or you could. Or you could come over here. 0:14:50.810 --> 0:14:52.170 Um, I would love. One of the. 0:14:52.170 --> 0:14:55.970 Things I do here is I do write. And, you know, 0:14:56.010 --> 0:15:00.730 it's so interesting because I wrote about this and, um, 0:15:00.730 --> 0:15:04.130 I incidentally, I also wrote an article on, uh, what 0:15:04.130 --> 0:15:07.570 happened a couple of days later when euthanasia was approved 0:15:07.570 --> 0:15:10.010 by the UK Parliament and talked about it being a 0:15:10.010 --> 0:15:14.210 quiet judgment. But I spoke about this as an absolute evil. 0:15:14.250 --> 0:15:18.170 I felt very passionately about it. I mean, two things 0:15:18.210 --> 0:15:21.130 have amazed me about about that. Number one is both 0:15:21.130 --> 0:15:26.290 my articles have been the two most popular articles on, uh, 0:15:26.290 --> 0:15:30.170 the Christian Today website ever since I wrote them, and 0:15:30.170 --> 0:15:36.490 that is simply because Christians want clarity about this, you know, 0:15:36.850 --> 0:15:39.980 and they want information. And that's incidentally, I'll just put 0:15:39.980 --> 0:15:41.780 a plug in for your show that that's what you do. 0:15:41.780 --> 0:15:45.260 You provide information which is really helpful and helps helps 0:15:45.260 --> 0:15:47.700 us to pray. And the other thing that struck me 0:15:47.700 --> 0:15:50.980 is by using the phrase absolute evil. This is always 0:15:50.980 --> 0:15:54.420 the case. Immediately there were Christians who picked up on 0:15:54.420 --> 0:15:56.460 that and said, whoa, whoa, tone down the language. This 0:15:56.460 --> 0:15:59.500 isn't helpful. You know, and I'm going, what do you 0:15:59.540 --> 0:16:03.220 call it? What do you call it when you say 0:16:03.580 --> 0:16:09.980 to a mother, you can kill your baby one hour 0:16:10.540 --> 0:16:13.260 before they are born, but if you kill them an 0:16:13.260 --> 0:16:17.860 hour after they are born, you'll be prosecuted. And the answer, 0:16:17.860 --> 0:16:22.740 of course, is that this bill was it is not. 0:16:22.780 --> 0:16:26.580 It's not even about abortion. It's about infanticide. And one 0:16:26.580 --> 0:16:28.500 of the things, and you and I have talked about 0:16:28.500 --> 0:16:32.820 this before, I've been saying this for years. As the 0:16:32.820 --> 0:16:36.870 West turns away from Christianity, particularly in the United Kingdom. 0:16:37.110 --> 0:16:40.350 We are not progressing to a secular nirvana. We are 0:16:40.350 --> 0:16:44.670 regressing to a Greco-Roman pagan view of the world. And 0:16:44.790 --> 0:16:47.470 I the fact that MPs voted for this. I'm not 0:16:47.470 --> 0:16:50.670 usually shocked by what they do, but they voted by 0:16:50.670 --> 0:16:54.990 such a large majority for it, which indicates both the 0:16:54.990 --> 0:16:58.670 level of their stupidity. And I'm saying that word advisedly 0:16:59.150 --> 0:17:02.310 because they were they bought into the oh, we don't 0:17:02.310 --> 0:17:05.310 want to prosecute the, you know, they name a couple 0:17:05.350 --> 0:17:08.510 of cases. And let me just say this always exceptions 0:17:08.510 --> 0:17:09.950 always make bad rules. 0:17:09.990 --> 0:17:10.550 Yes, yes. 0:17:10.590 --> 0:17:12.750 But they didn't think about what they were doing. They 0:17:12.750 --> 0:17:16.350 didn't know that they were legalising, in effect, infanticide. And 0:17:16.350 --> 0:17:17.510 that made me feel sick. 0:17:17.869 --> 0:17:19.710 Yeah. Well, there's so much more to this. And I 0:17:19.710 --> 0:17:21.869 do want to talk about the assisted suicide part of 0:17:21.869 --> 0:17:24.350 this as well. David Robertson is with us. I cannot 0:17:24.350 --> 0:17:26.590 stress enough how much you're missing if you don't follow 0:17:26.590 --> 0:17:30.189 him on X. And if you don't go to the wifely.com, 0:17:30.190 --> 0:17:33.109 that is his website. He just writes prolifically about a 0:17:33.109 --> 0:17:36.399 wide variety of topics. But the best part? Always from 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:39.000 a biblical perspective, I just love it. More with David 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:40.200 Robertson right after this. 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:58.760 Is this is a leaf. 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:04.400 As teary appeals rolled. A ten foot tall puppet of 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:08.720 a British judge brandishing a syringe loomed with. Opponents of 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:12.199 a bill that would open the door to legal assisted death. 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:16.320 As a Christian. It's murder. It's wrong. The scriptures say 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:17.639 thou shalt not kill. 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:20.880 Critics say it would put the vulnerable at risk, and 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:23.680 that end of life care needs to be improved so 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:28.639 people would choose to live. Just steps away. Proponents of 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:32.199 that bill stood calmly in solidarity with the bright pink 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:34.650 campaign for Dignity in Dying. 0:18:35.170 --> 0:18:39.169 My best friend died crying in agony, begging us to 0:18:39.210 --> 0:18:42.410 put an end to her life. It's just everybody's personal choice. 0:18:42.730 --> 0:18:47.090 Jenny hopes for that choice. She has terminal cancer and 0:18:47.090 --> 0:18:49.970 says she wants a more humane way to die. 0:18:50.450 --> 0:18:53.890 To allow my children to see me in a peaceful 0:18:53.890 --> 0:18:56.450 state would be so much better for them. 0:18:56.650 --> 0:18:59.050 Inside Parliament's House of Commons. 0:18:59.210 --> 0:19:00.730 Order, order. 0:19:00.850 --> 0:19:06.530 Ministers debated passionately but respectfully. Kim Leadbeater introduced the bill. 0:19:06.850 --> 0:19:09.010 Any one of us or our loved ones could be 0:19:09.010 --> 0:19:12.370 unfortunate or unlucky enough to receive a terminal diagnosis. 0:19:12.530 --> 0:19:16.370 The legislation applies to people expected to live six months 0:19:16.369 --> 0:19:19.810 or less. Two doctors would need to give approval, then 0:19:19.810 --> 0:19:24.170 a judge. The person must administer the lethal drugs themselves. 0:19:24.210 --> 0:19:28.050 The eyes to the right 330. The nose to the 0:19:28.050 --> 0:19:30.330 left 275. 0:19:31.510 --> 0:19:35.990 The result in favour was met only with murmurs, ministers 0:19:35.990 --> 0:19:38.550 reflecting on the gravity of their vote. 0:19:40.150 --> 0:19:43.390 Same thing. Nothing new under the sun. It's the same 0:19:43.430 --> 0:19:45.830 shtick they used in the United States to try to 0:19:45.869 --> 0:19:48.590 push it. It's the same angle they took with Canada, 0:19:48.750 --> 0:19:51.750 and it's a manipulation of language, and we'll get into 0:19:51.750 --> 0:19:54.350 that in a bit. But this was A12 punch. This 0:19:54.350 --> 0:19:57.390 all took place last week in the UK. In fact, 0:19:57.390 --> 0:20:00.070 it was a week ago today that this vote on 0:20:00.070 --> 0:20:04.270 decriminalizing abortion was voted on. Two days later they dealt 0:20:04.270 --> 0:20:06.590 with assisted suicide. So I'm going to unpack these one 0:20:06.590 --> 0:20:09.510 at a time. David Robertson is with us. He graciously 0:20:09.510 --> 0:20:11.510 joins us all the way from Australia. I always thank 0:20:11.510 --> 0:20:14.189 the Lord for the technology so that we can connect together. 0:20:14.350 --> 0:20:18.669 He wears many hats, all of them wonderfully. Broadcaster, writer, blogger, columnist, 0:20:18.670 --> 0:20:22.150 host of The Quantum of the Wee Flea and most importantly, 0:20:22.470 --> 0:20:25.630 the Scottish Presbyterian minister serving right now at Scots Kirk, 0:20:25.630 --> 0:20:27.989 Newcastle in New South Wales. I want to do a 0:20:27.990 --> 0:20:30.400 crash course on discernment because this is why I say 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:33.879 in this program regularly be a good Berean test, all things, 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:36.440 and know when you're being taken captive, as it says 0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:39.840 in the book of Colossians. Colossians three. Vain and hollow philosophy. 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:42.080 So I have to tell you, this is a headline 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:44.359 that was in Reuters now. Reuters is a news service 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:47.600 that provides news, quite literally for copy around the globe. 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:50.600 And I want you to hear the power of language 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:53.280 to manipulate. Here's what the Reuters headline said for the 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:57.119 vote in the UK. UK Parliament votes to decriminalise abortion 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:02.520 comma repeal Victorian era law. Now every one of you 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:05.000 just had the same reaction. It was like, oh it's arcane. 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:06.480 Oh goodness. We of course we've got to get rid 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:08.560 of it. We're so modern now. We want to get 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:12.399 rid of old fashioned ideas. Really? Well, truth never goes 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:17.520 out of style. Transcendent, objective. Knowable. Truth is always there. 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:20.719 The same yesterday, today and forever. And the idea of 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:23.520 being able to kill your child an hour before they're born, 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:26.040 as David just put out in that hypothetical, although sadly, 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:29.570 it's a reality, would be protected an hour after you're 0:21:29.570 --> 0:21:32.290 going to be prosecuted is absolutely ludicrous. So this is 0:21:32.290 --> 0:21:35.090 how they started it. Britain's parliament voted on Tuesday to 0:21:35.130 --> 0:21:38.050 decriminalise abortion in England and Wales, to stop a growing 0:21:38.050 --> 0:21:42.050 number of women from being investigated by police for terminating 0:21:42.050 --> 0:21:45.650 pregnancies under legislation dating back to the mid 19th century. Now, 0:21:45.690 --> 0:21:48.450 do you understand there's a remedy in that paragraph? Rather 0:21:48.450 --> 0:21:50.530 than saying open the floodgates of hell, let them go 0:21:50.530 --> 0:21:52.730 all the way through abortion, how about you work on 0:21:52.730 --> 0:21:56.330 your policing aspects first, you didn't need to open the gates. 0:21:56.530 --> 0:21:58.330 And then it goes on to say abortion has been 0:21:58.330 --> 0:22:01.290 legal in England and Wales for almost 60 years, but 0:22:01.290 --> 0:22:03.610 only up to 24 weeks. And with the approval of 0:22:03.650 --> 0:22:06.850 two doctors, women can face criminal charges if they decide 0:22:06.850 --> 0:22:10.010 to end a pregnancy after 24 weeks. Under a Victorian 0:22:10.010 --> 0:22:13.290 era law that carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment. 0:22:13.290 --> 0:22:15.330 I bet if you looked at the books, you'd see 0:22:15.369 --> 0:22:17.770 little to no women who have ever spent life in 0:22:17.770 --> 0:22:21.090 prison for getting an abortion. David, this is this is 0:22:21.090 --> 0:22:23.169 the part where saints have to grow up. This is 0:22:23.170 --> 0:22:26.250 a 500 level Sunday school class, not a 100 level. 0:22:26.290 --> 0:22:30.180 And they're going to have to understand manipulation, delusion, and 0:22:30.180 --> 0:22:33.060 vain and hollow philosophies of what this is. So it's arcane. 0:22:33.060 --> 0:22:34.980 It's an old idea. A woman could go to prison 0:22:34.980 --> 0:22:38.660 for a year. All of this yellow journalism, no facts, 0:22:38.660 --> 0:22:41.940 all emotion. It's ludicrous on its face. But at its core, 0:22:42.100 --> 0:22:44.380 it challenges truth, does it not? 0:22:45.980 --> 0:22:49.300 Well, it it absolutely challenges truth. I mean, and what 0:22:49.300 --> 0:22:51.100 you've said there is we need to be very careful 0:22:51.100 --> 0:22:54.140 how we manipulate it. So you gave one example of 0:22:54.140 --> 0:22:56.820 the Victorian. Well, you know, the Victorians also thought it 0:22:56.820 --> 0:22:59.420 was a rather bad idea to murder people. If that's 0:22:59.420 --> 0:23:00.420 a Victorian. 0:23:00.540 --> 0:23:00.940 Law. 0:23:01.180 --> 0:23:04.020 Should we get rid of it? You know, so I 0:23:04.020 --> 0:23:07.780 think that that's an, you know, an issue. It's just 0:23:07.820 --> 0:23:13.139 this idea that somehow being more modern, we are more civilised. 0:23:13.340 --> 0:23:16.420 You know, I hope and pray that in 100 years time, 0:23:17.100 --> 0:23:19.100 people will be looking back and it won't be you 0:23:19.100 --> 0:23:22.020 and I, but I don't think so. Anyway, people will 0:23:22.020 --> 0:23:27.270 be looking back, going, ah, you know, Weren't they barbaric 0:23:27.270 --> 0:23:31.070 in the 21st century that they slaughtered their babies? You know, 0:23:31.109 --> 0:23:33.910 because it's much the same way as we look back 0:23:33.910 --> 0:23:36.750 at the barbarism of slavery, although many people at the 0:23:36.750 --> 0:23:40.830 time supported it the other way that they manipulate and 0:23:40.830 --> 0:23:44.070 use language. You notice the little clip there where the 0:23:44.310 --> 0:23:47.790 girl says about her friend dying in agony. 0:23:47.830 --> 0:23:48.350 Yes. 0:23:48.550 --> 0:23:50.550 And of course, everyone immediately goes, oh no, no, we 0:23:50.550 --> 0:23:53.350 can't have that. That's terrible. If you don't support euthanasia, 0:23:53.390 --> 0:23:57.270 you're supporting people dying in agony. There's absolutely no no 0:23:57.270 --> 0:24:00.709 need for anyone to die in agony. Uh, you know, 0:24:00.950 --> 0:24:03.670 we can all tell different stories, but the fact is 0:24:04.070 --> 0:24:06.590 that palliative care. I remember I did a debate on 0:24:06.590 --> 0:24:09.950 euthanasia many years ago, and one of the people on 0:24:09.950 --> 0:24:13.950 our side was a doctor. The person on their side. Incidentally, 0:24:13.950 --> 0:24:15.630 it was very interesting that all the people on their 0:24:15.630 --> 0:24:18.550 side were very posh, wealthy people who were just concerned 0:24:18.550 --> 0:24:21.510 entirely about autonomy. They wanted to be in control, which 0:24:21.510 --> 0:24:22.869 is what this issue really is about. 0:24:23.270 --> 0:24:23.670 Yes. 0:24:23.710 --> 0:24:27.760 And dying there was he? This man was a palliative 0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:31.439 doctor and he said, there is no need for anyone 0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:33.280 to die in agony. Well, if that was true ten 0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:36.680 years ago, it's certainly true. Today. We provide palliative care. 0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:39.240 We don't kill people so that they avoid pain. 0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:42.880 Thousand percent. Spot on. By the way, that's why there's hospice. 0:24:42.880 --> 0:24:45.360 I'm glad you used the word palliative care. That's exactly right. 0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:47.960 This was a woman who didn't get proper pain management. 0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:51.320 There's always another way than playing God. Back after this. 0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:02.800 Christians are called to go into the marketplace of ideas. 0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:05.479 Throughout history, men and women of God have been thought leaders, 0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:08.280 innovators and forces for good. We want this program to 0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:11.000 continue in that bold tradition. Join me by becoming a 0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:13.440 partial partner. Your monthly gift will make a difference as 0:25:13.440 --> 0:25:15.760 we help Christians take a bold stand in the marketplace 0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:20.360 of ideas. Call today 877 Janet 58 or go online 0:25:20.359 --> 0:25:26.890 to in the market with Janet So appreciate and admire 0:25:26.890 --> 0:25:29.810 David Robertson. He is joining us all the way on 0:25:29.810 --> 0:25:32.050 the other side of the globe, where it is tomorrow morning. 0:25:32.050 --> 0:25:34.170 I'm so glad he comes and visits on a regular basis, 0:25:34.170 --> 0:25:37.570 because we learned so much from his Biblio centric thinking, 0:25:37.570 --> 0:25:40.930 and I love the way this precious Scottish apologist knows 0:25:40.930 --> 0:25:43.090 how to apply the whole truth, the whole gospel, to 0:25:43.130 --> 0:25:45.609 the whole world around him. So not only is he 0:25:45.609 --> 0:25:48.450 a minister at Scots Kirk, Newcastle in New South Wales 0:25:48.450 --> 0:25:51.690 in Australia, but he's a tremendous communicator and every time 0:25:51.690 --> 0:25:54.090 the Lord opens the door, a platform for him to go. 0:25:54.130 --> 0:25:56.690 You heard him talking about debating euthanasia in the past. 0:25:56.730 --> 0:25:59.570 He goes and he represents Jesus Christ as an ambassador 0:25:59.570 --> 0:26:02.090 and does a superb job. He writes, he blogs, he 0:26:02.090 --> 0:26:04.169 writes columns. We talked about his piece that just showed 0:26:04.170 --> 0:26:07.689 up in Christian today, both on the euthanasia bill, the 0:26:07.690 --> 0:26:10.530 the assisted suicide bill and the abortion bill as well. 0:26:10.690 --> 0:26:13.170 And he's got a fabulous podcast called The Quantum of 0:26:13.170 --> 0:26:15.770 the We Flee. You can learn all about this by 0:26:15.850 --> 0:26:19.689 going to the Weekly.com, the Weekly.com. So I want to 0:26:19.690 --> 0:26:21.550 go back if I can, just a little bit because 0:26:21.550 --> 0:26:23.870 I think these are such serious issues that we need 0:26:23.869 --> 0:26:27.429 to be thinking biblically about this. So two days after 0:26:27.430 --> 0:26:31.070 the abortion pill, they moved to pass and again, an 0:26:31.070 --> 0:26:34.470 overwhelming vote. The terminally ill adults end of life law, 0:26:34.470 --> 0:26:38.270 which gives mentally competent terminally ill. These are important phrases 0:26:38.270 --> 0:26:41.230 in the law. Adults in England and Wales with six 0:26:41.230 --> 0:26:43.429 months or less to live, the right to choose to 0:26:43.430 --> 0:26:45.510 end their lives with medical help. First thing they went 0:26:45.510 --> 0:26:47.510 through my mind, David, is the Scripture that says it's 0:26:47.510 --> 0:26:50.590 appointed unto man once to die, and after that the judgment. 0:26:50.590 --> 0:26:52.950 So man and his hubris says, I've determined it's going 0:26:52.950 --> 0:26:56.389 to be six months. What if God says no? That's 0:26:56.390 --> 0:26:59.390 a mortal's perspective. I, the creator and author of life, 0:26:59.390 --> 0:27:01.590 who appointed when you would arrive and when you will depart, 0:27:01.590 --> 0:27:04.149 you have a different plan in mind, and it's longer 0:27:04.150 --> 0:27:07.750 than that. And so you've you've jumped ahead, decided that 0:27:07.750 --> 0:27:11.149 you know better than God. And it's, it's there's an 0:27:11.150 --> 0:27:13.830 arrogance in that. At its core, I'm not being unkind 0:27:13.830 --> 0:27:15.590 by any stretch of the imagination. My mother was a 0:27:15.590 --> 0:27:19.070 hospice nurse. But I'm really and truly saying at its core, 0:27:19.109 --> 0:27:21.800 there's a sense of arrogance about this. That man knows 0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:24.520 better than God. Number one. Number two, this is always 0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:26.920 the opening salvo. This is how it started out. Made 0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:29.359 now is out of control in Canada. My Canadian listeners 0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:32.120 right now are nodding their head in agreement. You start 0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:34.080 out with the idea that you're mentally competent and then 0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:36.560 you start moving as they're doing it in Belgium and Switzerland, 0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:38.760 where now you're going to go to the mentally incompetent 0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:41.120 or you're depressed or you have down's, or you just 0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:44.280 want to end life because you're weary of life. This 0:27:44.280 --> 0:27:47.639 is the opening door. It never stops here. So how 0:27:47.640 --> 0:27:49.400 does a Christian respond to all of this? 0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:54.120 Yeah, I mean, some people want to bury their heads 0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:56.320 in the sand, you know, and just say, let's not 0:27:56.320 --> 0:28:00.280 do this. I mean, we've got to speak truth, you know, 0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:03.200 into the lies. We've got to show light in the darkness. 0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:07.080 You know, you were saying before how things get manipulated that, um, 0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:12.360 that bill, this will maybe help your listeners understand how 0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:16.119 these things work and how we need to think about language. Remember, 0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:19.889 it's the devil who who confuses and who's the father 0:28:19.890 --> 0:28:24.050 of lies. So that Bill was actually called assisted dying. 0:28:24.090 --> 0:28:29.210 We moved from euthanasia to assisted suicide to assisted dying. 0:28:29.650 --> 0:28:32.969 Now I say to people, I am all for assisted dying. 0:28:32.970 --> 0:28:35.490 I refuse to give up the language to those who 0:28:35.530 --> 0:28:38.890 twist it and change it, because assisted dying is is 0:28:38.890 --> 0:28:41.290 to assist people who are dying. It's to give them 0:28:41.290 --> 0:28:44.450 palliative care. It's like when my mother in law died 0:28:44.570 --> 0:28:48.970 from cancer, she didn't want any further chemotherapy because she said, 0:28:48.970 --> 0:28:50.650 I'm ready to be with the Lord. You know, he 0:28:50.650 --> 0:28:53.010 knows when I'm going. You don't need to keep me going, 0:28:53.050 --> 0:28:58.050 you know, etc.. So withdrawing that treatment wasn't, um, killing her, 0:28:58.090 --> 0:29:01.130 providing her with pain relief was assisting her as she died. 0:29:01.130 --> 0:29:03.890 And we all want that. But what they're talking is 0:29:03.890 --> 0:29:06.570 assisted suicide. And I'll give you another example. And without 0:29:06.570 --> 0:29:10.130 mentioning names here in Australia, uh, what they call voluntary 0:29:10.130 --> 0:29:13.850 assisted dying. And often it's not voluntary because the, the 0:29:13.890 --> 0:29:16.610 pressure is put on people because of finance and all 0:29:16.780 --> 0:29:19.300 your your family's inheritance, and you don't want them to 0:29:19.340 --> 0:29:21.980 see you in pain. All the emotional abuse that goes 0:29:21.980 --> 0:29:26.740 on with this, that in reality, uh, what happens is, uh, 0:29:26.860 --> 0:29:30.580 even Christian organizations, if someone who's staying in a care 0:29:30.580 --> 0:29:33.100 home that's a Christian care home, wishes to have voluntary 0:29:33.100 --> 0:29:35.460 assisted dying, the care home doesn't have to do it, 0:29:35.460 --> 0:29:37.500 but they have to let someone come in to do it. 0:29:37.820 --> 0:29:41.380 And I can think of one example of a member 0:29:41.380 --> 0:29:46.580 of staff who told me that, uh, a client had said, 0:29:46.900 --> 0:29:50.900 you know, uh, I'm going to die tomorrow at 3:00. 0:29:51.740 --> 0:29:54.780 And she said, the blackness and the darkness and the 0:29:54.780 --> 0:29:58.620 misery over the whole place. You know, people think, oh, 0:29:58.620 --> 0:30:00.860 this is great. This is wonderful. No it's not. You're 0:30:00.860 --> 0:30:03.660 going to go meet your maker. You no more have 0:30:03.660 --> 0:30:05.620 the right to take your own life than you have 0:30:05.620 --> 0:30:08.260 the ability to decide when you come into the world. 0:30:08.300 --> 0:30:08.780 Exactly. 0:30:08.820 --> 0:30:10.820 You know, and I know that there are hard cases, 0:30:10.820 --> 0:30:13.020 and I know that there are great difficulties. And I 0:30:13.020 --> 0:30:15.100 pray that I don't live in pain. And I know 0:30:15.260 --> 0:30:17.750 that when my father died, I felt a sense of relief, 0:30:17.750 --> 0:30:21.469 and I understand all of that. But under no circumstances 0:30:21.510 --> 0:30:24.070 am I prepared to let the state have the right 0:30:24.070 --> 0:30:26.990 to kill people, even if it's supposed to be voluntary, 0:30:26.990 --> 0:30:31.229 because it soon becomes involuntary. 10% of euthanasia cases in 0:30:31.230 --> 0:30:36.390 the Netherlands and Belgium are involuntary. In Canada, 49% of 0:30:36.390 --> 0:30:38.830 young people think that if you're poor, you should be 0:30:38.830 --> 0:30:45.270 eligible for, uh, maid, you know? It is unbelievably wicked. 0:30:45.270 --> 0:30:48.470 And it will only get worse. And Christians need to 0:30:48.470 --> 0:30:52.510 think about this properly. We need to understand the enormous 0:30:52.510 --> 0:30:55.870 value that we have on life. I quote in my 0:30:55.870 --> 0:31:02.110 article about the evil, um. Hitler's secretary Traudl Junge, said 0:31:02.110 --> 0:31:04.990 that Hitler's view on Christianity that it was an outdated 0:31:04.990 --> 0:31:07.710 religion which, amongst other things, sought to keep alive the 0:31:07.710 --> 0:31:11.310 weak and those who didn't deserve to live. Well, people 0:31:11.310 --> 0:31:13.750 go on and on and on about the Nazis and maybe, 0:31:13.790 --> 0:31:16.000 you know, they say you shouldn't bring them in. But 0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:20.080 I'll tell you this. Euthanasia, abortion on demand and everything else. 0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:22.800 You don't get anything more Nazi than that. It is 0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:28.200 absolute evil. And I am not afraid to say that. 0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:31.040 But I am ashamed of Christians who try and back 0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:33.840 away from it. Of course there are difficult cases. Of 0:31:33.840 --> 0:31:37.320 course we we're not heartless and things. You know. I 0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:39.320 don't want to die in pain. I've come very, very 0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:43.280 close to death, and I've been in a lot of pain. But, um, 0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:44.680 you know, by the way, I need to tell you this. 0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:47.240 This was a funny story when I was in hospital, 0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:48.600 and I was in a coma in and out of 0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:51.760 a coma. Uh, my teenage daughter, who was 14 years 0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:54.720 old at the time, um, the staff said I was 0:31:54.720 --> 0:32:00.640 in a, you know, the high dependency unit and critically, 0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:03.520 critically ill. And they said, why don't you, you know, 0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:06.080 read your father some of your work from school. So 0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:08.480 she came in and she read me her essay on euthanasia, 0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:14.810 and they were horrified and and And my mother said, oh, sorry. 0:32:14.970 --> 0:32:19.090 My mother, my wife said, oh no, he would absolutely 0:32:19.090 --> 0:32:21.970 love that. He would absolutely love that. You know, that would. 0:32:22.810 --> 0:32:29.970 So oh my goodness. So it was just priceless, you know. Um, but, uh, 0:32:30.090 --> 0:32:32.730 you know, we we have got to stand for life. 0:32:32.730 --> 0:32:35.690 If we don't stand for for life, what's the point 0:32:35.690 --> 0:32:36.930 of us being Christians? 0:32:37.770 --> 0:32:40.410 Thank you. Yeah. I love the eloquence of your writing. 0:32:40.450 --> 0:32:41.729 I'm the one. Both of them, by the way. You 0:32:41.730 --> 0:32:44.130 can find this at Christian TODAY.com and you will see 0:32:44.170 --> 0:32:46.730 literally there's a column called Most Popular. And David's right 0:32:46.730 --> 0:32:49.330 there is his piece on what happened a week ago 0:32:49.330 --> 0:32:51.970 today on abortion. And then there his piece is his 0:32:51.970 --> 0:32:55.210 piece called The Quiet Judgment on the UK. And listen 0:32:55.210 --> 0:32:57.650 to how he writes this. And so it has happened. 0:32:57.650 --> 0:32:59.650 It came not as a bolt of lightning, not as 0:32:59.650 --> 0:33:02.050 a flash of thunder, not with a mighty roar, like 0:33:02.050 --> 0:33:04.610 an earthquake. It did not come in the form of war, 0:33:04.850 --> 0:33:08.490 plague and famine. It came as the pale horse whose 0:33:08.490 --> 0:33:12.620 rider was named death. Revelation six 68. The judgement of God. 0:33:12.620 --> 0:33:14.260 I'm going to come back to that. The judgment of 0:33:14.260 --> 0:33:18.580 God has finally come upon the United Kingdom. Quietly, silently, 0:33:18.580 --> 0:33:20.660 like a thief in the night. It came in the 0:33:20.660 --> 0:33:23.980 form of an irrational, emotive and godless Parliament who this 0:33:23.980 --> 0:33:26.300 week voted to permit the killing of babies in the 0:33:26.300 --> 0:33:29.660 womb up until birth, and now has introduced the National 0:33:29.660 --> 0:33:33.460 Suicide Service with its vote to permit assisted suicide. God 0:33:33.460 --> 0:33:36.300 has given us what we voted for. Now, before you respond, David, 0:33:36.300 --> 0:33:38.660 let me just say in full disclosure, we're exactly in 0:33:38.660 --> 0:33:40.660 the same place that the United States. I'm not finger 0:33:40.700 --> 0:33:43.260 pointing at all. We are doing the exact same thing. 0:33:43.260 --> 0:33:44.860 We have a movement of people who are trying to 0:33:44.860 --> 0:33:47.300 get death on demand through every 50 states. Praise be 0:33:47.300 --> 0:33:50.060 to God. It hasn't happened yet that some states have resisted. 0:33:50.060 --> 0:33:51.860 There was an attempt to do it at the federal level. 0:33:51.860 --> 0:33:54.260 Didn't happen. Thanks be to God. And now with the 0:33:54.260 --> 0:33:57.540 abortion pill, even though we've got a decision that dismantled 0:33:57.540 --> 0:34:00.140 the law in this country that allowed abortion on demand, 0:34:00.500 --> 0:34:02.020 I have to tell you that there are states that 0:34:02.020 --> 0:34:05.340 have counter moved against that. And they likewise allow exactly 0:34:05.340 --> 0:34:08.379 what the Parliament voted on a week ago abortion up 0:34:08.380 --> 0:34:10.520 through the moment of birth. Oh, and they'll tell you 0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:12.440 we don't even we never do that. But then you 0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:14.239 ask where the restrictions are, and they'll give you a 0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:17.359 blank stare and not answer. So if God's judgment is 0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:20.320 on the UK, it is likewise on the United States. 0:34:20.320 --> 0:34:22.359 What does that mean for a believer to hear that 0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:24.640 when we turn our back on some of the most 0:34:24.640 --> 0:34:29.040 basic principles of His Word, why we can expect God's judgment? 0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:32.920 Well, I think it's Romans one. You know, I think 0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:36.520 Romans one is just the most pertinent passage for today. 0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:39.200 In fact, you know, to be honest, not just Romans one. 0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:41.160 As I read through the Bible, I keep thinking, oh, 0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:43.680 this is so relevant. Oh, this is so relevant. You know, 0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:47.480 I find it amazing that people don't find the Bible relevant. 0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:50.320 I mean, sometimes it's maybe people like, you know, preachers 0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:53.120 like me, it's our fault because we, we sort of 0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:56.880 try and, you know, update things. And in so doing 0:34:57.040 --> 0:35:00.480 in adding to the word we take away from it 0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:02.680 because the word is just relevant. It's just simply that. 0:35:02.680 --> 0:35:05.400 And I think Romans one is really relevant and God's 0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:07.920 judgment for me, God's judgment can come in different ways. 0:35:08.370 --> 0:35:11.290 so God can punish us and discipline us as a 0:35:11.290 --> 0:35:16.250 father disciplines his children, which is for good. God can 0:35:16.290 --> 0:35:18.850 sometimes smite us, if you like. You know there can 0:35:18.850 --> 0:35:23.970 be something drastic or really strong happen. But I think 0:35:23.969 --> 0:35:26.730 the worst possible punishment is the Romans one one where 0:35:26.810 --> 0:35:29.650 God says, okay, you didn't want me. You want to 0:35:29.650 --> 0:35:32.969 do without me. Have it your way. You know, there's 0:35:32.969 --> 0:35:34.730 a famous burger chain who said, you know, have it 0:35:34.730 --> 0:35:37.410 your way. Of course. Frank Sinatra's I did it. I 0:35:37.410 --> 0:35:42.410 did it my way. Uh, no. No. Christians, if we 0:35:42.850 --> 0:35:45.250 do it our way, we just get things so wrong, 0:35:45.250 --> 0:35:47.650 we really screw it up. You know, we just. We 0:35:47.650 --> 0:35:54.810 make such a mess. And that's why it's actually compassionate 0:35:54.810 --> 0:35:57.969 for us as Christians. Not just to yell and say, oh, 0:35:57.969 --> 0:36:00.410 this is terrible. This is really bad. But we can 0:36:00.410 --> 0:36:02.450 actually say to people, there is a better way. There's 0:36:02.450 --> 0:36:05.969 the way of Christ, you know? And that's actually what 0:36:05.969 --> 0:36:10.020 our culture has been built on. So, I mean, some 0:36:10.020 --> 0:36:11.700 of us, you and I have been looking at this 0:36:11.700 --> 0:36:13.940 kind of stuff for years and years and years, and 0:36:13.940 --> 0:36:18.820 we see the trajectory on which we're going. And it's 0:36:19.660 --> 0:36:23.020 it's not loving for us to keep quiet and look. 0:36:23.060 --> 0:36:25.020 The Lord, this has happened before and the Lord has 0:36:25.020 --> 0:36:26.940 turned it around before, and I pray he would do 0:36:26.940 --> 0:36:27.739 so again. 0:36:27.780 --> 0:36:30.700 Yes, yes. But in the midst of all of this, 0:36:30.700 --> 0:36:33.860 and you make such an important point, we are never 0:36:33.860 --> 0:36:36.819 ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ with grace. The 0:36:36.820 --> 0:36:40.060 Bible says, but seasoned with salt, you speak the truth 0:36:40.060 --> 0:36:42.980 in love because in fact, that's the kindest, most loving 0:36:43.020 --> 0:36:47.060 thing you can possibly do. God's laws are protective, not punitive. 0:36:47.060 --> 0:36:49.379 More with David Robertson all the way from Australia right 0:36:49.380 --> 0:37:02.060 after this. David Robertson is with us, Scottish Presbyterian minister, 0:37:02.060 --> 0:37:05.430 currently the minister of Scots Kirk, Newcastle, New South Wales. 0:37:05.550 --> 0:37:07.469 I've got a link to his website where there is 0:37:07.469 --> 0:37:11.270 just chock full of information the Weekly.com. What else would 0:37:11.270 --> 0:37:14.350 you expect a Scotsman to name his website the Wifli. Com. 0:37:14.870 --> 0:37:17.790 He makes commentary on everything under the sun and it's fascinating, 0:37:17.790 --> 0:37:20.430 including you can get access to the two articles that 0:37:20.430 --> 0:37:22.270 I talked about before, and we started on a serious 0:37:22.270 --> 0:37:24.430 note as well. We should, because literally we were talking 0:37:24.430 --> 0:37:26.670 about life and death, but there's always a spot for 0:37:26.670 --> 0:37:28.790 the absurd. And David picked up on it. And this 0:37:28.790 --> 0:37:31.950 is I think it's important we end on this kind 0:37:31.950 --> 0:37:33.589 of a story. You know, we talk about how we 0:37:33.590 --> 0:37:35.790 struggle with words and we struggle with truth. Maybe it's 0:37:35.790 --> 0:37:39.630 because we're dumbing down our students. So there is a private, 0:37:39.670 --> 0:37:43.910 a very posh private school in London that apparently now 0:37:43.950 --> 0:37:47.030 is going to teach a book by Panti Bliss, a 0:37:47.070 --> 0:37:50.670 drag queen, and it's going to be taught alongside Shakespeare 0:37:50.710 --> 0:37:53.589 as part of a diversification of literature program at a 0:37:53.590 --> 0:37:59.150 £30,000 a year private school, the private school is teaching 0:37:59.150 --> 0:38:03.350 pupils queer theory alongside the works of drag queen and 0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:06.319 non-binary writers as part of a drive to diversify its 0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:09.080 English curriculum. So the staff at the school, which is 0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:11.480 southeast of London, said in a post that its English 0:38:11.480 --> 0:38:14.560 department has introduced the authors as part of a five 0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:19.360 year overhaul and general genuine diversification of the literature taught 0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:23.080 at the school. It also disclosed that the £30,000 a 0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:26.880 year co-educational day school was going to use Shakespeare's plays 0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:31.719 to discuss racial and gender equality and challenge, quote, white centric, 0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:36.120 patriarchal and cisgender ideologies. Yes, I'm sure that was very 0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:37.759 much on his mind when he took out his quill 0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:41.600 pen and was writing some of his plays. Oh my word, David, 0:38:41.600 --> 0:38:44.200 how absurd. First of all, £30,000. These poor parents are 0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:45.919 not going to get their money's worth. They're dumbing down 0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:46.640 their kids. 0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:52.000 They are. Although, again, um, you know, can I say 0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:54.640 in the race to the bottom in posh schools, the 0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:56.360 United States is definitely winning. 0:38:56.520 --> 0:38:58.880 Yes. We drew guilty as charged. 0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:02.040 You know, I have I have seen I think there 0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:05.250 was a school in New York that was $50,000 a year, 0:39:05.690 --> 0:39:07.890 and the stuff that they were teaching, you know, I 0:39:07.890 --> 0:39:10.130 would have sued them for it, never mind pay them. 0:39:10.170 --> 0:39:17.050 I mean, the fact that that, you know. You wonder, uh, 0:39:17.530 --> 0:39:22.089 the stupidity of humanity. So this particular school, what got 0:39:22.090 --> 0:39:26.250 me about it was so they're teaching queer theory as 0:39:26.250 --> 0:39:31.330 part of their diversity, equality and so on. Um, but 0:39:31.410 --> 0:39:35.050 this is school that charges, what, $50,000 a year? 0:39:35.090 --> 0:39:35.730 Yeah, yeah. 0:39:35.969 --> 0:39:38.650 So let me tell you this in terms of diversity 0:39:38.650 --> 0:39:43.730 and equality and so on. 95% of people in the UK, 0:39:43.770 --> 0:39:45.930 if not more, could not afford to send their kids 0:39:45.930 --> 0:39:50.969 to that school. That school is deliberately exclusionary by the 0:39:50.969 --> 0:39:54.129 amount of money it costs you to go there. So 0:39:54.130 --> 0:39:56.290 when it's like you get all these people, I mean, 0:39:56.330 --> 0:39:59.330 we live in this crazy world where at least, at 0:39:59.370 --> 0:40:01.739 least when when I grew up, there was kind of, 0:40:02.100 --> 0:40:05.820 you knew that communists and socialists and so on, you know, 0:40:06.060 --> 0:40:08.460 there was a kind of defined view of economics and 0:40:08.460 --> 0:40:12.620 so on. Now you get billionaires calling themselves communists, you know, 0:40:12.660 --> 0:40:15.219 or there's a wonderful presenter on the BBC who's not 0:40:15.219 --> 0:40:21.260 really wonderful. She really annoys me. But, um, she, she, she, she, uh, 0:40:21.540 --> 0:40:25.180 calls herself a luxury communist, you know? Yeah. Of course. 0:40:25.219 --> 0:40:26.020 That's an oxymoron. 0:40:26.060 --> 0:40:29.259 Isn't that what Marx? Yeah, that's what Marx meant. That's 0:40:29.260 --> 0:40:32.660 exactly what he was saying. You know, millionaire communists. But 0:40:32.660 --> 0:40:36.340 the point about it is this. They see everything through 0:40:36.380 --> 0:40:41.980 this filter, which makes them feel virtuous. You know, they 0:40:41.980 --> 0:40:45.500 themselves are almost certainly, you know, they'll be they'll be 0:40:45.500 --> 0:40:48.260 white and they'll be wealthy and they'll be so on. 0:40:48.260 --> 0:40:50.940 But because they stand up for the queer, it's like 0:40:50.940 --> 0:40:53.100 the corporates now in the US, I have to say, 0:40:53.100 --> 0:40:55.980 the US has seen a turnaround, I think, particularly since 0:40:55.980 --> 0:40:58.779 Donald Trump has come to power, where there's less and 0:40:58.780 --> 0:41:02.109 less sponsoring of pride marches, but for corporations, it was 0:41:02.110 --> 0:41:04.190 an easy win. You could go and take money out 0:41:04.190 --> 0:41:06.870 of anywhere. You could exploit whoever you want, but as 0:41:06.870 --> 0:41:10.230 long as you had a pride flag, then hey, you were, 0:41:10.270 --> 0:41:12.750 you know, standing up for the oppressed and you were 0:41:12.750 --> 0:41:16.670 helping the poor, which was just an absolute lie. But 0:41:16.670 --> 0:41:19.990 that's the insanity of where we're at in our culture. 0:41:19.989 --> 0:41:22.029 And I think, you know, you and I, we can 0:41:22.030 --> 0:41:23.750 talk about this, we can talk about the abortion. We 0:41:23.750 --> 0:41:26.390 can talk about everything else. Well, people say, okay, it's 0:41:26.390 --> 0:41:28.069 all very well to point out how crazy it is, 0:41:28.070 --> 0:41:30.710 because you get people like Jordan Peterson and Douglas Murray 0:41:30.710 --> 0:41:34.150 and others pointing out the craziness of it. But what's 0:41:34.150 --> 0:41:37.270 your solution? Well, our solution is the gospel. 0:41:37.390 --> 0:41:37.910 Amen. 0:41:38.030 --> 0:41:40.470 You know, I had a guy come into my church 0:41:40.510 --> 0:41:42.390 and he had a go at me last week, and 0:41:42.750 --> 0:41:44.830 he ended up actually assaulting me. But he was saying, 0:41:44.870 --> 0:41:48.430 you know, uh, I'm, you know, indigenous and, you know, 0:41:48.469 --> 0:41:51.190 you're white scumbag. And, you know, I said, I just 0:41:51.190 --> 0:41:52.870 looked at him and said, I couldn't care two hoots 0:41:52.870 --> 0:41:55.670 about what your skin color is. I just don't care. 0:41:55.710 --> 0:41:57.630 I care that you're a human being. I care that 0:41:57.630 --> 0:41:59.529 you're somebody made in the image of God, and you 0:41:59.530 --> 0:42:01.850 and I can talk on that basis, or you can 0:42:01.850 --> 0:42:06.049 carry on with this rather pathetic justification for your abusive violence. 0:42:06.530 --> 0:42:09.410 And I think that's where we need to go to people. 0:42:09.410 --> 0:42:11.609 I think we need to point out what the evil is, 0:42:11.610 --> 0:42:13.890 but the best way to show the evil is by 0:42:13.930 --> 0:42:16.529 shining the light. And I think the gospel, all the 0:42:16.530 --> 0:42:20.010 subjects that you and I discuss, the gospel has an 0:42:20.010 --> 0:42:22.850 answer for it. We value the child in the womb 0:42:22.850 --> 0:42:25.330 because they're made in God's image. They are fearfully and 0:42:25.330 --> 0:42:29.170 wonderfully made. Psalm 139. We pray for and we value 0:42:29.170 --> 0:42:32.890 the elderly, sick person who is dying because we know 0:42:33.250 --> 0:42:35.489 that they will leave this world and they will go 0:42:35.489 --> 0:42:38.650 to a place of their believer where there's no more tears, 0:42:38.690 --> 0:42:41.089 no more pain, no more suffering. And if they're not 0:42:41.090 --> 0:42:43.729 a believer, they will go and face judgment before God. 0:42:43.730 --> 0:42:46.049 And so we urge them to repent. And when it 0:42:46.050 --> 0:42:49.810 comes to education, we long for people to be taught 0:42:50.010 --> 0:42:52.969 so that they can think so that they can be logical, 0:42:52.969 --> 0:42:56.210 like their creator, the logos, so that they can appreciate 0:42:56.340 --> 0:43:00.340 beauty and not be indoctrinated in the lies of the devil, 0:43:00.340 --> 0:43:02.819 which is exactly what this school is doing, no matter 0:43:02.820 --> 0:43:03.860 how posh it is. 0:43:04.020 --> 0:43:06.899 Yeah, couldn't agree more. Isn't there a wake up call 0:43:06.900 --> 0:43:08.940 for parents on this? You know, the Bible tells us 0:43:08.940 --> 0:43:11.140 to look well to the ways of our household. Even 0:43:11.140 --> 0:43:13.460 if you can afford $50,000 a year to go to 0:43:13.460 --> 0:43:16.660 a private school, I don't see scripture saying, that's right, 0:43:16.700 --> 0:43:19.660 Mom and Dad, now you've given up your responsibility. You're 0:43:19.660 --> 0:43:23.259 a parent by divine appointment, not by election. And so 0:43:23.260 --> 0:43:25.219 it seems to me, when you see so much of 0:43:25.580 --> 0:43:28.180 what's going on in the world, this is a clarion 0:43:28.180 --> 0:43:30.620 call for moms and dads to do what Nehemiah said. 0:43:30.620 --> 0:43:32.140 When you hear the sound of the trumpet to fight 0:43:32.140 --> 0:43:33.540 for your families, is it not? 0:43:34.980 --> 0:43:39.100 Absolutely. And I think we are responsible for our children. 0:43:39.100 --> 0:43:40.940 And yes, schools is great, and it's great to have 0:43:40.940 --> 0:43:42.940 Christian schools, by the way. And John Knox argued, where 0:43:42.940 --> 0:43:44.500 you have a church, there, you have a school. We 0:43:44.500 --> 0:43:47.299 are responsible for our children, and we're responsible for how 0:43:47.300 --> 0:43:49.859 we proclaim the gospel in this dark world. And the 0:43:49.860 --> 0:43:52.859 dark darkness of the world just lets us shine the 0:43:52.860 --> 0:43:53.859 light more brightly. 0:43:54.100 --> 0:43:56.870 Amen. What a note to end this conversation on. Wow. 0:43:56.870 --> 0:43:59.310 This is why we love talking to David. In the meantime, 0:43:59.350 --> 0:44:00.870 do a couple of things for me because I think 0:44:00.870 --> 0:44:03.830 you're really missing out if you don't. You follow David 0:44:03.830 --> 0:44:06.910 on X, right? He's remarkably in tune. He's been when 0:44:06.910 --> 0:44:09.549 when the things were happening in the UK Parliament last week, 0:44:09.550 --> 0:44:12.110 he was Johnny on the spot. He was reacting immediately. 0:44:12.310 --> 0:44:14.190 He and I loved the way he responds to so 0:44:14.190 --> 0:44:16.630 much of what is making news in the United States. 0:44:16.750 --> 0:44:19.589 His astute observations are striking and you don't want to 0:44:19.590 --> 0:44:22.110 miss them. But again, if you go to his website, 0:44:22.110 --> 0:44:25.350 his podcasts are fabulous. His teaching of the Scripture is fabulous, 0:44:25.350 --> 0:44:28.830 his understanding the world around us and applying the whole truth, 0:44:28.830 --> 0:44:32.069 the whole word to that situation is remarkable. And it's 0:44:32.070 --> 0:44:34.669 a tutorial for us because that's exactly what we're called 0:44:34.670 --> 0:44:37.509 to do. It's can I use this word? It's applied Christianity, 0:44:37.550 --> 0:44:39.750 taking the truth of the gospel and applying it to 0:44:39.790 --> 0:44:42.150 the entire world around us. And as David just said, 0:44:42.430 --> 0:44:45.910 God has given us the answer, the person of Jesus Christ, 0:44:45.910 --> 0:44:48.629 and we get the privilege of telling his story. Now 0:44:48.630 --> 0:44:50.830 go and tell. Thank you David. Thank you friends. See 0:44:50.830 --> 0:44:53.230 you next time on In the Market with Janet Parshall.