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S2: Here are some of the news headlines we're watching.
S3: The conference was over. The president won a pledge.
S4: The Americans worshiping government over God.
S5: Extremely rare safety move by a major 17 years.
S4: The Palestinians and Israelis negotiated.
S5: This is not true.
S1: Hi friends. Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall.
S1: A very happy Tuesday to you. Get your passports ready
S1: because we're going to wing our way Down Under and
S1: catch up with our favorite Scottish apologist who has a
S1: thing or two to say about a thing or two.
S1: But first, we've got to give you some news. If
S1: you were watching last night and I certainly was midnight
S1: East Coast time, the cease fire between Israel and Iran
S1: was supposed to have taken place 27 minutes after midnight.
S1: Tehran shoots rockets at Israel again into an area where
S1: citizens lived. Not a hospital, not a military base where
S1: people lived, and there were people who were killed as
S1: a result. Israel then responds. The president then gets a
S1: little hot under the collar as he leaves to go
S1: to NATO, and is angry at both because both he
S1: decide broke the cease fire. I understand that technically that's true,
S1: but apparently Donald Trump is about to learn something about
S1: the Israelis and their government. They don't ask permission to
S1: defend themselves. That is a nation built with a shovel
S1: in one hand and a rifle in the other. And
S1: when individuals are attacked by Iran, especially when Iran agreed
S1: to the cease fire and the president put it out
S1: on truth Social, in fact, he said, congratulations to everyone.
S1: It's been fully agreed by and between Israel and Iran
S1: that there will be a complete and total cease fire.
S1: I held my breath because I thought, yeah, this is
S1: kind of like the deal that Hamas does on a
S1: regular basis. They always say the same thing, and then
S1: the next thing you know, they're firing more missiles. So
S1: I'm not the least bit surprised. So what is going
S1: to happen in the days ahead? Will there be a
S1: cease fire? If there is, will it hold? Well, for
S1: more news on this, I turn to CBN news where
S1: my friend Chris Mitchell reports.
S6: Israel and Iran agreed to President Trump's cease fire announcement,
S6: but within hours, Iran fired two missiles toward northern Israel.
S6: Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz ordered the IDF to strike Tehran.
S6: President Trump urged Israel to call off the response and
S6: said he's unhappy with both sides.
S7: So I'm not happy with them. I'm not happy with
S7: Iran either, but I'm really unhappy if Israel is going
S7: out this morning because of one rocket that didn't land
S7: that was shot, perhaps by mistake that didn't land. I'm
S7: not happy about that.
S6: Just before the cease fire began, a deadly Iranian missile
S6: slammed into the southern Israeli town of Beersheba. CBN Middle
S6: East correspondent Julie Stahl visited the scene.
S8: The seven story building behind me got a direct hit
S8: from Iranian missile, just about the time the cease fire
S8: was supposed to take effect. One bystander commented that this
S8: is what an Iranian ceasefire looks like. Killing Jews to
S8: the last minute.
S6: President Trump posted the cease fire announcement on Monday night.
S6: Congratulations to everyone. It has been fully agreed by and
S6: between Israel and Iran that there will be a complete
S6: and total cease fire. He followed that with another post
S6: that said, Israel and Iran came to me almost simultaneously
S6: and said, peace. I knew the time was now. The
S6: world and the Middle East are the real winners. This
S6: just hours after Iran launched a barrage of missiles at
S6: a U.S. military base in Qatar. 13 of the 14
S6: missiles were intercepted and the attack did little damage. Iran
S6: notified Qatar of the attack beforehand, giving the U.S. time
S6: to prepare. After Trump's announcement, the Israeli government released a
S6: statement and said it achieved the main goals of its
S6: military operations against Iran. Israel has removed a dual immediate
S6: existential threat both in the nuclear field and in the
S6: field of ballistic missiles. In addition, the IDF achieved complete
S6: air control over the skies of Tehran. Inflicted severe damage
S6: on the military leadership and destroyed dozens of central Iranian
S6: government targets in the past two days. The IDF also
S6: hit Evin Prison, the headquarters of the Bee-gees, and the
S6: Israel destruction Clock inside Tehran.
S9: These are not sites that have strategic significance, but they
S9: have immense political significance. They are the pillars, if you will,
S9: of this horrendous regime. And by bombing them, Israel has
S9: weakened that regime. And so, ultimately, the greatest guarantee we
S9: have for a non-nuclear, non-dangerous, non-threatening Iran is by the
S9: removal of the regime.
S6: Also on Monday, Reza Pahlavi, the son of the late
S6: Shah of Iran, presented himself as a figure who can
S6: unify the country if the Iranian government Collapses, he said.
S6: The regime is on its last legs.
S10: The Islamic Republic is collapsing. Credible reports indicate that Ali
S10: Khamenei's family and the family of senior regime officials are
S10: making preparations to flee Iran.
S6: It remains to be seen if this cease fire will
S6: provide a lifeline to the ayatollah, or if the 12
S6: day war has so weakened the regime that the people
S6: of Iran could rise up to overthrow the government. In
S6: an ominous statement, the head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organization
S6: said it plans to restart their nuclear program. Chris Mitchell
S6: CBN news, Jerusalem.
S1: So you and me praying for the situation far from over.
S1: Now again, one of the concerns is Iran retaliates by
S1: sleeper cells that have worked their way into the United States.
S1: The previous administration we had porous borders, millions of people
S1: poured in. And CBS news now reports that 11 Iranians
S1: have been arrested in the last 48 hours by Ice.
S1: Have a listen.
S5: The Department of Homeland Security says Yousef Merendino had been
S5: living in the United States illegally for nearly eight years,
S5: since U.S. officials determined he lied on a visa application.
S5: On Sunday, just four months after the Iranian foreign national
S5: was added to the U. S known or suspected terrorist list,
S5: he was arrested in central Mississippi. He's now in Ice
S5: custody pending removal proceedings. And he's not alone. Over the
S5: past 48 hours, Ice officials have arrested 11 Iranian nationals
S5: spanning eight states nationwide. Among them, five possessed previous criminal convictions,
S5: their crimes ranging from grand larceny to drug and firearm possession.
S5: Also among those apprehended, Ribar Karimi while arresting him in
S5: northern Alabama. Ice officials say they found his Islamic Republic
S5: of Iran Army identification card and allege he served as
S5: an Iranian sniper between 2018 and 2021.
S1: So more reasons for us to keep praying. Absolutely. Now
S1: we're going to trust in the Lord. He's still on
S1: the throne. He hasn't been unseated despite what's going on
S1: in the Middle East. But it's an opportunity yet again
S1: for you and me to be praying for those in authority,
S1: particularly now as the world leaders are meeting at NATO,
S1: all of them talking about world economic situations. But obviously
S1: Zelenskyy is there and there are other representatives from other countries. So,
S1: you know, they're going to be talking about wars, rumors
S1: and wars, coalitions, alliances, the list goes on and on
S1: and on. I don't know about you, but if there
S1: were ever a meeting when wisdom needs to take a
S1: seat at the table, it would be that meeting. Also,
S1: pray for those in authority in Iran and in Israel,
S1: but particularly pray for the people of Iran and Israel.
S1: They all want liberty and freedom, and particularly the people
S1: of Iran, who would love for there to be a
S1: regime change. But they're hungry for something more than what
S1: they've had for the last 46 years. Pray for them
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S11: Britain's parliament voted on Tuesday to decriminalise abortion in England
S11: and Wales.
S12: The eyes are right.
S11: 379 lawmakers voted 379 to 137 to end prosecutions of
S11: women for ending pregnancies. Abortions have been legal in England
S11: and Wales for nearly 60 years, but only up until
S11: 24 weeks, and with two doctors approvals. Women choosing to
S11: end a pregnancy after that could face criminal charges and
S11: up to life in prison, while criminal charges for breaking
S11: the law are rare. They've risen since the pandemic, when
S11: a change in the law allowed abortion pills to be
S11: taken at home within ten weeks of conception. Tonia Antoniazzi,
S11: a Labour member of Parliament who proposed the amendment, said
S11: the law had been used to investigate 100 women in
S11: the last five years. That included some women who had
S11: given birth prematurely or had been forced into abortions by
S11: abusive partners. The proposal to decriminalise abortion could still change
S11: or be rejected, as it's part of a bigger bill
S11: going through Parliament. If passed, it would bring the abortion
S11: laws in England and Wales in line with other Western countries,
S11: including France, Canada and Australia. Some politicians warned the amendment
S11: was rushed and could have unintended effects. Rebecca Paul, a
S11: conservative member of Parliament, said it could see, quote, fully
S11: developed babies be aborted by a woman with no consequences,
S11: while women under the proposed law would not face prosecution.
S11: Medical professionals who assist them in getting abortions after 24
S11: weeks would still be liable. In May, a British woman
S11: was acquitted after taking abortion pills past the legal limit,
S11: saying she didn't know how far along she was.
S1: That, by the way, is a major problem that we've
S1: discussed on this programme over and over again. It's why
S1: the abortion pills went all the way up to the
S1: United States Supreme Court. There is a limit. If you
S1: read the label and you apply it of no more
S1: than ten weeks gestational age, and one of the concerns
S1: people have said put some guardrails back in around this
S1: medication is if mama like this story reports doesn't know
S1: how far along she is, is she going to hemorrhage
S1: to death in the bathroom? Who's going to be there?
S1: How is that pro-woman? We know that it's going to
S1: kill the baby, but it might kill the mother, too.
S1: How is this a good idea? So this little abortion pill,
S1: which is really two pills and a two step regime,
S1: is really manufactured in hell. And it is completely changed
S1: this debate. So David Robertson didn't skip a beat on this.
S1: And he writes an article for Christian today, not to
S1: be confused with Christianity Today. And his opening line is this.
S1: At first I didn't take it seriously. I heard the
S1: news that a couple of amendments to the Crime and
S1: Policing Bill were coming to the UK Parliament to, in effect,
S1: allow abortion on demand up to birth. And I assumed
S1: that this was the work of the radical extremists who
S1: think that any woman should be able to kill her
S1: own child up to birth. I assumed that such an
S1: extreme measure would be overwhelmingly rejected, but I was wrong.
S1: And then some. David joins us from Australia, where it
S1: is tomorrow. So I always say in terms of my eschatology,
S1: I guess it means that the Lord doesn't come tomorrow
S1: because David's living there and we're having this conversation, and
S1: I know he loves Jesus and I know he follows him.
S1: He is a Scottish Presbyterian minister, is currently serving as
S1: Scots Kirk, Newcastle, New South Wales in Australia. He broadcasts,
S1: he writes, he blogs, he does a column. He hosts
S1: The Quantum of the Wee Flea, and he's a fabulous writer.
S1: We get to talk to him on a monthly basis,
S1: and I am so grateful. And I have a link
S1: to The Wee Flea so you can follow his writings,
S1: because he is Johnny on the spot with all of
S1: these stories that are making headlines, including reacting rightfully and
S1: immediately to this unconscionable move inside the Parliament. David, the
S1: warmest of welcomes, I want to cut right to this. Why?
S1: What was the need? What was the move to be
S1: able to do this? Because I think the conservative MP
S1: was right when she said that this is going to
S1: open the doors to be able to say you can
S1: have abortion up to the moment of birth. Talk to
S1: me about this.
S13: Yeah. It's a it's a sad day, you know, um,
S13: I let me let me just say at the beginning
S13: that as, as always, Janet, I was thinking about this.
S13: It's a privilege to talk to you. We talk every month.
S13: And I think it was about ten years ago that
S13: we had a one off conversation. And it's just kept going.
S13: So truly, it's been brilliant. You know, one day I
S13: hope we meet up before we get to heaven. You
S13: know about what? One day I'll come over to the
S13: States and surprise you. And we can do something in
S13: your studio. That would be lovely.
S1: I would love.
S13: It. Or you could. Or you could come over here.
S14: Um, I would love. One of the.
S13: Things I do here is I do write. And, you know,
S13: it's so interesting because I wrote about this and, um,
S13: I incidentally, I also wrote an article on, uh, what
S13: happened a couple of days later when euthanasia was approved
S13: by the UK Parliament and talked about it being a
S13: quiet judgment. But I spoke about this as an absolute evil.
S13: I felt very passionately about it. I mean, two things
S13: have amazed me about about that. Number one is both
S13: my articles have been the two most popular articles on, uh,
S13: the Christian Today website ever since I wrote them, and
S13: that is simply because Christians want clarity about this, you know,
S13: and they want information. And that's incidentally, I'll just put
S13: a plug in for your show that that's what you do.
S13: You provide information which is really helpful and helps helps
S13: us to pray. And the other thing that struck me
S13: is by using the phrase absolute evil. This is always
S13: the case. Immediately there were Christians who picked up on
S13: that and said, whoa, whoa, tone down the language. This
S13: isn't helpful. You know, and I'm going, what do you
S13: call it? What do you call it when you say
S13: to a mother, you can kill your baby one hour
S13: before they are born, but if you kill them an
S13: hour after they are born, you'll be prosecuted. And the answer,
S13: of course, is that this bill was it is not.
S13: It's not even about abortion. It's about infanticide. And one
S13: of the things, and you and I have talked about
S13: this before, I've been saying this for years. As the
S13: West turns away from Christianity, particularly in the United Kingdom.
S13: We are not progressing to a secular nirvana. We are
S13: regressing to a Greco-Roman pagan view of the world. And
S13: I the fact that MPs voted for this. I'm not
S13: usually shocked by what they do, but they voted by
S13: such a large majority for it, which indicates both the
S13: level of their stupidity. And I'm saying that word advisedly
S13: because they were they bought into the oh, we don't
S13: want to prosecute the, you know, they name a couple
S13: of cases. And let me just say this always exceptions
S13: always make bad rules.
S14: Yes, yes.
S13: But they didn't think about what they were doing. They
S13: didn't know that they were legalising, in effect, infanticide. And
S13: that made me feel sick.
S1: Yeah. Well, there's so much more to this. And I
S1: do want to talk about the assisted suicide part of
S1: this as well. David Robertson is with us. I cannot
S1: stress enough how much you're missing if you don't follow
S1: him on X. And if you don't go to the wifely.com,
S1: that is his website. He just writes prolifically about a
S1: wide variety of topics. But the best part? Always from
S1: a biblical perspective, I just love it. More with David
S1: Robertson right after this.
S15: Is this is a leaf.
S16: As teary appeals rolled. A ten foot tall puppet of
S16: a British judge brandishing a syringe loomed with. Opponents of
S16: a bill that would open the door to legal assisted death.
S17: As a Christian. It's murder. It's wrong. The scriptures say
S17: thou shalt not kill.
S16: Critics say it would put the vulnerable at risk, and
S16: that end of life care needs to be improved so
S16: people would choose to live. Just steps away. Proponents of
S16: that bill stood calmly in solidarity with the bright pink
S16: campaign for Dignity in Dying.
S18: My best friend died crying in agony, begging us to
S18: put an end to her life. It's just everybody's personal choice.
S16: Jenny hopes for that choice. She has terminal cancer and
S16: says she wants a more humane way to die.
S19: To allow my children to see me in a peaceful
S19: state would be so much better for them.
S16: Inside Parliament's House of Commons.
S20: Order, order.
S16: Ministers debated passionately but respectfully. Kim Leadbeater introduced the bill.
S21: Any one of us or our loved ones could be
S21: unfortunate or unlucky enough to receive a terminal diagnosis.
S16: The legislation applies to people expected to live six months
S16: or less. Two doctors would need to give approval, then
S16: a judge. The person must administer the lethal drugs themselves.
S22: The eyes to the right 330. The nose to the
S22: left 275.
S16: The result in favour was met only with murmurs, ministers
S16: reflecting on the gravity of their vote.
S1: Same thing. Nothing new under the sun. It's the same
S1: shtick they used in the United States to try to
S1: push it. It's the same angle they took with Canada,
S1: and it's a manipulation of language, and we'll get into
S1: that in a bit. But this was A12 punch. This
S1: all took place last week in the UK. In fact,
S1: it was a week ago today that this vote on
S1: decriminalizing abortion was voted on. Two days later they dealt
S1: with assisted suicide. So I'm going to unpack these one
S1: at a time. David Robertson is with us. He graciously
S1: joins us all the way from Australia. I always thank
S1: the Lord for the technology so that we can connect together.
S1: He wears many hats, all of them wonderfully. Broadcaster, writer, blogger, columnist,
S1: host of The Quantum of the Wee Flea and most importantly,
S1: the Scottish Presbyterian minister serving right now at Scots Kirk,
S1: Newcastle in New South Wales. I want to do a
S1: crash course on discernment because this is why I say
S1: in this program regularly be a good Berean test, all things,
S1: and know when you're being taken captive, as it says
S1: in the book of Colossians. Colossians three. Vain and hollow philosophy.
S1: So I have to tell you, this is a headline
S1: that was in Reuters now. Reuters is a news service
S1: that provides news, quite literally for copy around the globe.
S1: And I want you to hear the power of language
S1: to manipulate. Here's what the Reuters headline said for the
S1: vote in the UK. UK Parliament votes to decriminalise abortion
S1: comma repeal Victorian era law. Now every one of you
S1: just had the same reaction. It was like, oh it's arcane.
S1: Oh goodness. We of course we've got to get rid
S1: of it. We're so modern now. We want to get
S1: rid of old fashioned ideas. Really? Well, truth never goes
S1: out of style. Transcendent, objective. Knowable. Truth is always there.
S1: The same yesterday, today and forever. And the idea of
S1: being able to kill your child an hour before they're born,
S1: as David just put out in that hypothetical, although sadly,
S1: it's a reality, would be protected an hour after you're
S1: going to be prosecuted is absolutely ludicrous. So this is
S1: how they started it. Britain's parliament voted on Tuesday to
S1: decriminalise abortion in England and Wales, to stop a growing
S1: number of women from being investigated by police for terminating
S1: pregnancies under legislation dating back to the mid 19th century. Now,
S1: do you understand there's a remedy in that paragraph? Rather
S1: than saying open the floodgates of hell, let them go
S1: all the way through abortion, how about you work on
S1: your policing aspects first, you didn't need to open the gates.
S1: And then it goes on to say abortion has been
S1: legal in England and Wales for almost 60 years, but
S1: only up to 24 weeks. And with the approval of
S1: two doctors, women can face criminal charges if they decide
S1: to end a pregnancy after 24 weeks. Under a Victorian
S1: era law that carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.
S1: I bet if you looked at the books, you'd see
S1: little to no women who have ever spent life in
S1: prison for getting an abortion. David, this is this is
S1: the part where saints have to grow up. This is
S1: a 500 level Sunday school class, not a 100 level.
S1: And they're going to have to understand manipulation, delusion, and
S1: vain and hollow philosophies of what this is. So it's arcane.
S1: It's an old idea. A woman could go to prison
S1: for a year. All of this yellow journalism, no facts,
S1: all emotion. It's ludicrous on its face. But at its core,
S1: it challenges truth, does it not?
S13: Well, it it absolutely challenges truth. I mean, and what
S13: you've said there is we need to be very careful
S13: how we manipulate it. So you gave one example of
S13: the Victorian. Well, you know, the Victorians also thought it
S13: was a rather bad idea to murder people. If that's
S13: a Victorian.
S14: Law.
S13: Should we get rid of it? You know, so I
S13: think that that's an, you know, an issue. It's just
S13: this idea that somehow being more modern, we are more civilised.
S13: You know, I hope and pray that in 100 years time,
S13: people will be looking back and it won't be you
S13: and I, but I don't think so. Anyway, people will
S13: be looking back, going, ah, you know, Weren't they barbaric
S13: in the 21st century that they slaughtered their babies? You know,
S13: because it's much the same way as we look back
S13: at the barbarism of slavery, although many people at the
S13: time supported it the other way that they manipulate and
S13: use language. You notice the little clip there where the
S13: girl says about her friend dying in agony.
S1: Yes.
S13: And of course, everyone immediately goes, oh no, no, we
S13: can't have that. That's terrible. If you don't support euthanasia,
S13: you're supporting people dying in agony. There's absolutely no no
S13: need for anyone to die in agony. Uh, you know,
S13: we can all tell different stories, but the fact is
S13: that palliative care. I remember I did a debate on
S13: euthanasia many years ago, and one of the people on
S13: our side was a doctor. The person on their side. Incidentally,
S13: it was very interesting that all the people on their
S13: side were very posh, wealthy people who were just concerned
S13: entirely about autonomy. They wanted to be in control, which
S13: is what this issue really is about.
S14: Yes.
S13: And dying there was he? This man was a palliative
S13: doctor and he said, there is no need for anyone
S13: to die in agony. Well, if that was true ten
S13: years ago, it's certainly true. Today. We provide palliative care.
S13: We don't kill people so that they avoid pain.
S1: Thousand percent. Spot on. By the way, that's why there's hospice.
S1: I'm glad you used the word palliative care. That's exactly right.
S1: This was a woman who didn't get proper pain management.
S1: There's always another way than playing God. Back after this.
S1: Christians are called to go into the marketplace of ideas.
S1: Throughout history, men and women of God have been thought leaders,
S1: innovators and forces for good. We want this program to
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S1: we help Christians take a bold stand in the marketplace
S1: of ideas. Call today 877 Janet 58 or go online
S1: to in the market with Janet So appreciate and admire
S1: David Robertson. He is joining us all the way on
S1: the other side of the globe, where it is tomorrow morning.
S1: I'm so glad he comes and visits on a regular basis,
S1: because we learned so much from his Biblio centric thinking,
S1: and I love the way this precious Scottish apologist knows
S1: how to apply the whole truth, the whole gospel, to
S1: the whole world around him. So not only is he
S1: a minister at Scots Kirk, Newcastle in New South Wales
S1: in Australia, but he's a tremendous communicator and every time
S1: the Lord opens the door, a platform for him to go.
S1: You heard him talking about debating euthanasia in the past.
S1: He goes and he represents Jesus Christ as an ambassador
S1: and does a superb job. He writes, he blogs, he
S1: writes columns. We talked about his piece that just showed
S1: up in Christian today, both on the euthanasia bill, the
S1: the assisted suicide bill and the abortion bill as well.
S1: And he's got a fabulous podcast called The Quantum of
S1: the We Flee. You can learn all about this by
S1: going to the Weekly.com, the Weekly.com. So I want to
S1: go back if I can, just a little bit because
S1: I think these are such serious issues that we need
S1: to be thinking biblically about this. So two days after
S1: the abortion pill, they moved to pass and again, an
S1: overwhelming vote. The terminally ill adults end of life law,
S1: which gives mentally competent terminally ill. These are important phrases
S1: in the law. Adults in England and Wales with six
S1: months or less to live, the right to choose to
S1: end their lives with medical help. First thing they went
S1: through my mind, David, is the Scripture that says it's
S1: appointed unto man once to die, and after that the judgment.
S1: So man and his hubris says, I've determined it's going
S1: to be six months. What if God says no? That's
S1: a mortal's perspective. I, the creator and author of life,
S1: who appointed when you would arrive and when you will depart,
S1: you have a different plan in mind, and it's longer
S1: than that. And so you've you've jumped ahead, decided that
S1: you know better than God. And it's, it's there's an
S1: arrogance in that. At its core, I'm not being unkind
S1: by any stretch of the imagination. My mother was a
S1: hospice nurse. But I'm really and truly saying at its core,
S1: there's a sense of arrogance about this. That man knows
S1: better than God. Number one. Number two, this is always
S1: the opening salvo. This is how it started out. Made
S1: now is out of control in Canada. My Canadian listeners
S1: right now are nodding their head in agreement. You start
S1: out with the idea that you're mentally competent and then
S1: you start moving as they're doing it in Belgium and Switzerland,
S1: where now you're going to go to the mentally incompetent
S1: or you're depressed or you have down's, or you just
S1: want to end life because you're weary of life. This
S1: is the opening door. It never stops here. So how
S1: does a Christian respond to all of this?
S13: Yeah, I mean, some people want to bury their heads
S13: in the sand, you know, and just say, let's not
S13: do this. I mean, we've got to speak truth, you know,
S13: into the lies. We've got to show light in the darkness.
S13: You know, you were saying before how things get manipulated that, um,
S13: that bill, this will maybe help your listeners understand how
S13: these things work and how we need to think about language. Remember,
S13: it's the devil who who confuses and who's the father
S13: of lies. So that Bill was actually called assisted dying.
S13: We moved from euthanasia to assisted suicide to assisted dying.
S13: Now I say to people, I am all for assisted dying.
S13: I refuse to give up the language to those who
S13: twist it and change it, because assisted dying is is
S13: to assist people who are dying. It's to give them
S13: palliative care. It's like when my mother in law died
S13: from cancer, she didn't want any further chemotherapy because she said,
S13: I'm ready to be with the Lord. You know, he
S13: knows when I'm going. You don't need to keep me going,
S13: you know, etc.. So withdrawing that treatment wasn't, um, killing her,
S13: providing her with pain relief was assisting her as she died.
S13: And we all want that. But what they're talking is
S13: assisted suicide. And I'll give you another example. And without
S13: mentioning names here in Australia, uh, what they call voluntary
S13: assisted dying. And often it's not voluntary because the, the
S13: pressure is put on people because of finance and all
S13: your your family's inheritance, and you don't want them to
S13: see you in pain. All the emotional abuse that goes
S13: on with this, that in reality, uh, what happens is, uh,
S13: even Christian organizations, if someone who's staying in a care
S13: home that's a Christian care home, wishes to have voluntary
S13: assisted dying, the care home doesn't have to do it,
S13: but they have to let someone come in to do it.
S13: And I can think of one example of a member
S13: of staff who told me that, uh, a client had said,
S13: you know, uh, I'm going to die tomorrow at 3:00.
S13: And she said, the blackness and the darkness and the
S13: misery over the whole place. You know, people think, oh,
S13: this is great. This is wonderful. No it's not. You're
S13: going to go meet your maker. You no more have
S13: the right to take your own life than you have
S13: the ability to decide when you come into the world.
S14: Exactly.
S13: You know, and I know that there are hard cases,
S13: and I know that there are great difficulties. And I
S13: pray that I don't live in pain. And I know
S13: that when my father died, I felt a sense of relief,
S13: and I understand all of that. But under no circumstances
S13: am I prepared to let the state have the right
S13: to kill people, even if it's supposed to be voluntary,
S13: because it soon becomes involuntary. 10% of euthanasia cases in
S13: the Netherlands and Belgium are involuntary. In Canada, 49% of
S13: young people think that if you're poor, you should be
S13: eligible for, uh, maid, you know? It is unbelievably wicked.
S13: And it will only get worse. And Christians need to
S13: think about this properly. We need to understand the enormous
S13: value that we have on life. I quote in my
S13: article about the evil, um. Hitler's secretary Traudl Junge, said
S13: that Hitler's view on Christianity that it was an outdated
S13: religion which, amongst other things, sought to keep alive the
S13: weak and those who didn't deserve to live. Well, people
S13: go on and on and on about the Nazis and maybe,
S13: you know, they say you shouldn't bring them in. But
S13: I'll tell you this. Euthanasia, abortion on demand and everything else.
S13: You don't get anything more Nazi than that. It is
S13: absolute evil. And I am not afraid to say that.
S13: But I am ashamed of Christians who try and back
S13: away from it. Of course there are difficult cases. Of
S13: course we we're not heartless and things. You know. I
S13: don't want to die in pain. I've come very, very
S13: close to death, and I've been in a lot of pain. But, um,
S13: you know, by the way, I need to tell you this.
S13: This was a funny story when I was in hospital,
S13: and I was in a coma in and out of
S13: a coma. Uh, my teenage daughter, who was 14 years
S13: old at the time, um, the staff said I was
S13: in a, you know, the high dependency unit and critically,
S13: critically ill. And they said, why don't you, you know,
S13: read your father some of your work from school. So
S13: she came in and she read me her essay on euthanasia,
S13: and they were horrified and and And my mother said, oh, sorry.
S13: My mother, my wife said, oh no, he would absolutely
S13: love that. He would absolutely love that. You know, that would.
S13: So oh my goodness. So it was just priceless, you know. Um, but, uh,
S13: you know, we we have got to stand for life.
S13: If we don't stand for for life, what's the point
S13: of us being Christians?
S1: Thank you. Yeah. I love the eloquence of your writing.
S1: I'm the one. Both of them, by the way. You
S1: can find this at Christian TODAY.com and you will see
S1: literally there's a column called Most Popular. And David's right
S1: there is his piece on what happened a week ago
S1: today on abortion. And then there his piece is his
S1: piece called The Quiet Judgment on the UK. And listen
S1: to how he writes this. And so it has happened.
S1: It came not as a bolt of lightning, not as
S1: a flash of thunder, not with a mighty roar, like
S1: an earthquake. It did not come in the form of war,
S1: plague and famine. It came as the pale horse whose
S1: rider was named death. Revelation six 68. The judgement of God.
S1: I'm going to come back to that. The judgment of
S1: God has finally come upon the United Kingdom. Quietly, silently,
S1: like a thief in the night. It came in the
S1: form of an irrational, emotive and godless Parliament who this
S1: week voted to permit the killing of babies in the
S1: womb up until birth, and now has introduced the National
S1: Suicide Service with its vote to permit assisted suicide. God
S1: has given us what we voted for. Now, before you respond, David,
S1: let me just say in full disclosure, we're exactly in
S1: the same place that the United States. I'm not finger
S1: pointing at all. We are doing the exact same thing.
S1: We have a movement of people who are trying to
S1: get death on demand through every 50 states. Praise be
S1: to God. It hasn't happened yet that some states have resisted.
S1: There was an attempt to do it at the federal level.
S1: Didn't happen. Thanks be to God. And now with the
S1: abortion pill, even though we've got a decision that dismantled
S1: the law in this country that allowed abortion on demand,
S1: I have to tell you that there are states that
S1: have counter moved against that. And they likewise allow exactly
S1: what the Parliament voted on a week ago abortion up
S1: through the moment of birth. Oh, and they'll tell you
S1: we don't even we never do that. But then you
S1: ask where the restrictions are, and they'll give you a
S1: blank stare and not answer. So if God's judgment is
S1: on the UK, it is likewise on the United States.
S1: What does that mean for a believer to hear that
S1: when we turn our back on some of the most
S1: basic principles of His Word, why we can expect God's judgment?
S13: Well, I think it's Romans one. You know, I think
S13: Romans one is just the most pertinent passage for today.
S13: In fact, you know, to be honest, not just Romans one.
S13: As I read through the Bible, I keep thinking, oh,
S13: this is so relevant. Oh, this is so relevant. You know,
S13: I find it amazing that people don't find the Bible relevant.
S13: I mean, sometimes it's maybe people like, you know, preachers
S13: like me, it's our fault because we, we sort of
S13: try and, you know, update things. And in so doing
S13: in adding to the word we take away from it
S13: because the word is just relevant. It's just simply that.
S13: And I think Romans one is really relevant and God's
S13: judgment for me, God's judgment can come in different ways.
S13: so God can punish us and discipline us as a
S13: father disciplines his children, which is for good. God can
S13: sometimes smite us, if you like. You know there can
S13: be something drastic or really strong happen. But I think
S13: the worst possible punishment is the Romans one one where
S13: God says, okay, you didn't want me. You want to
S13: do without me. Have it your way. You know, there's
S13: a famous burger chain who said, you know, have it
S13: your way. Of course. Frank Sinatra's I did it. I
S13: did it my way. Uh, no. No. Christians, if we
S13: do it our way, we just get things so wrong,
S13: we really screw it up. You know, we just. We
S13: make such a mess. And that's why it's actually compassionate
S13: for us as Christians. Not just to yell and say, oh,
S13: this is terrible. This is really bad. But we can
S13: actually say to people, there is a better way. There's
S13: the way of Christ, you know? And that's actually what
S13: our culture has been built on. So, I mean, some
S13: of us, you and I have been looking at this
S13: kind of stuff for years and years and years, and
S13: we see the trajectory on which we're going. And it's
S13: it's not loving for us to keep quiet and look.
S13: The Lord, this has happened before and the Lord has
S13: turned it around before, and I pray he would do
S13: so again.
S1: Yes, yes. But in the midst of all of this,
S1: and you make such an important point, we are never
S1: ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ with grace. The
S1: Bible says, but seasoned with salt, you speak the truth
S1: in love because in fact, that's the kindest, most loving
S1: thing you can possibly do. God's laws are protective, not punitive.
S1: More with David Robertson all the way from Australia right
S1: after this. David Robertson is with us, Scottish Presbyterian minister,
S1: currently the minister of Scots Kirk, Newcastle, New South Wales.
S1: I've got a link to his website where there is
S1: just chock full of information the Weekly.com. What else would
S1: you expect a Scotsman to name his website the Wifli. Com.
S1: He makes commentary on everything under the sun and it's fascinating,
S1: including you can get access to the two articles that
S1: I talked about before, and we started on a serious
S1: note as well. We should, because literally we were talking
S1: about life and death, but there's always a spot for
S1: the absurd. And David picked up on it. And this
S1: is I think it's important we end on this kind
S1: of a story. You know, we talk about how we
S1: struggle with words and we struggle with truth. Maybe it's
S1: because we're dumbing down our students. So there is a private,
S1: a very posh private school in London that apparently now
S1: is going to teach a book by Panti Bliss, a
S1: drag queen, and it's going to be taught alongside Shakespeare
S1: as part of a diversification of literature program at a
S1: £30,000 a year private school, the private school is teaching
S1: pupils queer theory alongside the works of drag queen and
S1: non-binary writers as part of a drive to diversify its
S1: English curriculum. So the staff at the school, which is
S1: southeast of London, said in a post that its English
S1: department has introduced the authors as part of a five
S1: year overhaul and general genuine diversification of the literature taught
S1: at the school. It also disclosed that the £30,000 a
S1: year co-educational day school was going to use Shakespeare's plays
S1: to discuss racial and gender equality and challenge, quote, white centric,
S1: patriarchal and cisgender ideologies. Yes, I'm sure that was very
S1: much on his mind when he took out his quill
S1: pen and was writing some of his plays. Oh my word, David,
S1: how absurd. First of all, £30,000. These poor parents are
S1: not going to get their money's worth. They're dumbing down
S1: their kids.
S13: They are. Although, again, um, you know, can I say
S13: in the race to the bottom in posh schools, the
S13: United States is definitely winning.
S1: Yes. We drew guilty as charged.
S13: You know, I have I have seen I think there
S13: was a school in New York that was $50,000 a year,
S13: and the stuff that they were teaching, you know, I
S13: would have sued them for it, never mind pay them.
S13: I mean, the fact that that, you know. You wonder, uh,
S13: the stupidity of humanity. So this particular school, what got
S13: me about it was so they're teaching queer theory as
S13: part of their diversity, equality and so on. Um, but
S13: this is school that charges, what, $50,000 a year?
S1: Yeah, yeah.
S13: So let me tell you this in terms of diversity
S13: and equality and so on. 95% of people in the UK,
S13: if not more, could not afford to send their kids
S13: to that school. That school is deliberately exclusionary by the
S13: amount of money it costs you to go there. So
S13: when it's like you get all these people, I mean,
S13: we live in this crazy world where at least, at
S13: least when when I grew up, there was kind of,
S13: you knew that communists and socialists and so on, you know,
S13: there was a kind of defined view of economics and
S13: so on. Now you get billionaires calling themselves communists, you know,
S13: or there's a wonderful presenter on the BBC who's not
S13: really wonderful. She really annoys me. But, um, she, she, she, she, uh,
S13: calls herself a luxury communist, you know? Yeah. Of course.
S1: That's an oxymoron.
S13: Isn't that what Marx? Yeah, that's what Marx meant. That's
S13: exactly what he was saying. You know, millionaire communists. But
S13: the point about it is this. They see everything through
S13: this filter, which makes them feel virtuous. You know, they
S13: themselves are almost certainly, you know, they'll be they'll be
S13: white and they'll be wealthy and they'll be so on.
S13: But because they stand up for the queer, it's like
S13: the corporates now in the US, I have to say,
S13: the US has seen a turnaround, I think, particularly since
S13: Donald Trump has come to power, where there's less and
S13: less sponsoring of pride marches, but for corporations, it was
S13: an easy win. You could go and take money out
S13: of anywhere. You could exploit whoever you want, but as
S13: long as you had a pride flag, then hey, you were,
S13: you know, standing up for the oppressed and you were
S13: helping the poor, which was just an absolute lie. But
S13: that's the insanity of where we're at in our culture.
S13: And I think, you know, you and I, we can
S13: talk about this, we can talk about the abortion. We
S13: can talk about everything else. Well, people say, okay, it's
S13: all very well to point out how crazy it is,
S13: because you get people like Jordan Peterson and Douglas Murray
S13: and others pointing out the craziness of it. But what's
S13: your solution? Well, our solution is the gospel.
S1: Amen.
S13: You know, I had a guy come into my church
S13: and he had a go at me last week, and
S13: he ended up actually assaulting me. But he was saying,
S13: you know, uh, I'm, you know, indigenous and, you know,
S13: you're white scumbag. And, you know, I said, I just
S13: looked at him and said, I couldn't care two hoots
S13: about what your skin color is. I just don't care.
S13: I care that you're a human being. I care that
S13: you're somebody made in the image of God, and you
S13: and I can talk on that basis, or you can
S13: carry on with this rather pathetic justification for your abusive violence.
S13: And I think that's where we need to go to people.
S13: I think we need to point out what the evil is,
S13: but the best way to show the evil is by
S13: shining the light. And I think the gospel, all the
S13: subjects that you and I discuss, the gospel has an
S13: answer for it. We value the child in the womb
S13: because they're made in God's image. They are fearfully and
S13: wonderfully made. Psalm 139. We pray for and we value
S13: the elderly, sick person who is dying because we know
S13: that they will leave this world and they will go
S13: to a place of their believer where there's no more tears,
S13: no more pain, no more suffering. And if they're not
S13: a believer, they will go and face judgment before God.
S13: And so we urge them to repent. And when it
S13: comes to education, we long for people to be taught
S13: so that they can think so that they can be logical,
S13: like their creator, the logos, so that they can appreciate
S13: beauty and not be indoctrinated in the lies of the devil,
S13: which is exactly what this school is doing, no matter
S13: how posh it is.
S1: Yeah, couldn't agree more. Isn't there a wake up call
S1: for parents on this? You know, the Bible tells us
S1: to look well to the ways of our household. Even
S1: if you can afford $50,000 a year to go to
S1: a private school, I don't see scripture saying, that's right,
S1: Mom and Dad, now you've given up your responsibility. You're
S1: a parent by divine appointment, not by election. And so
S1: it seems to me, when you see so much of
S1: what's going on in the world, this is a clarion
S1: call for moms and dads to do what Nehemiah said.
S1: When you hear the sound of the trumpet to fight
S1: for your families, is it not?
S13: Absolutely. And I think we are responsible for our children.
S13: And yes, schools is great, and it's great to have
S13: Christian schools, by the way. And John Knox argued, where
S13: you have a church, there, you have a school. We
S13: are responsible for our children, and we're responsible for how
S13: we proclaim the gospel in this dark world. And the
S13: dark darkness of the world just lets us shine the
S13: light more brightly.
S1: Amen. What a note to end this conversation on. Wow.
S1: This is why we love talking to David. In the meantime,
S1: do a couple of things for me because I think
S1: you're really missing out if you don't. You follow David
S1: on X, right? He's remarkably in tune. He's been when
S1: when the things were happening in the UK Parliament last week,
S1: he was Johnny on the spot. He was reacting immediately.
S1: He and I loved the way he responds to so
S1: much of what is making news in the United States.
S1: His astute observations are striking and you don't want to
S1: miss them. But again, if you go to his website,
S1: his podcasts are fabulous. His teaching of the Scripture is fabulous,
S1: his understanding the world around us and applying the whole truth,
S1: the whole word to that situation is remarkable. And it's
S1: a tutorial for us because that's exactly what we're called
S1: to do. It's can I use this word? It's applied Christianity,
S1: taking the truth of the gospel and applying it to
S1: the entire world around us. And as David just said,
S1: God has given us the answer, the person of Jesus Christ,
S1: and we get the privilege of telling his story. Now
S1: go and tell. Thank you David. Thank you friends. See
S1: you next time on In the Market with Janet Parshall.