WEBVTT - Heaven—When Faith Becomes Sight 0:00:07.910 --> 0:00:11.210 If ever there was a place of wonder, it's heaven. 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:14.600 When was the last time you truly wondered about heaven? 0:00:14.630 --> 0:00:17.180 I mean, if heaven is our eternal destiny as believers, 0:00:17.180 --> 0:00:19.820 shouldn't we give it more thought, more study? And and 0:00:19.820 --> 0:00:21.860 shouldn't our daily agenda be shaped by the need to 0:00:21.890 --> 0:00:25.490 prepare for that life to come? Well, coming up, a 0:00:25.489 --> 0:00:28.970 fabulous look at heaven. You'll love our sneak preview. By 0:00:28.970 --> 0:00:31.580 the way, welcome to the land and the book. Our 0:00:31.580 --> 0:00:34.580 host is a man whose heart never leaves Israel. Doctor 0:00:34.580 --> 0:00:38.090 Charlie Dyer, and I'm John Gager. You know, we asked 0:00:38.090 --> 0:00:40.280 Charlie at this time of year, what does Passover mean 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:43.550 for us as believers in Jesus? Some will remember the 0:00:43.550 --> 0:00:45.410 story from the book of Exodus, but there's a lot 0:00:45.409 --> 0:00:47.540 more to it. For example, did you know that the 0:00:47.540 --> 0:00:50.990 Last Supper was actually a Passover meal? Not only did 0:00:50.990 --> 0:00:55.040 Jesus and his disciples celebrate Passover, it also foreshadowed his 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:57.500 death on the cross for our redemption, right? 0:00:57.530 --> 0:01:00.200 That's right. John, Jewish people have been keeping the feast 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:03.830 of Passover for thousands of years. Understanding the history and 0:01:03.830 --> 0:01:07.160 importance of this holiday will help you connect with your 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:10.130 Jewish friends and neighbors. And what better way is there 0:01:10.130 --> 0:01:14.510 to learn about Passover than to experience a Passover Seder yourself? 0:01:14.540 --> 0:01:17.840 If you've never celebrated Passover, our friends at Life in 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:20.810 Messiah would love to partner with you in hosting a 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:24.860 Seder experience. Every year, their staff engage churches and small 0:01:24.860 --> 0:01:29.510 groups in an interactive Messiah in the Passover Seder, allowing 0:01:29.510 --> 0:01:33.650 participants to taste and see the redemption story. If you're 0:01:33.650 --> 0:01:36.620 interested in having someone come lead a Seder in your area, 0:01:36.650 --> 0:01:39.919 visit Life in Messiah. Org and click on the Moody 0:01:39.950 --> 0:01:44.750 Radio button there to learn more. That's life in messiah.org. 0:01:45.050 --> 0:01:47.510 And let's bring our focus now toward current events from 0:01:47.510 --> 0:01:50.510 the Middle East. This week, President Trump's plan to have 0:01:50.510 --> 0:01:53.810 the people of Gaza relocated to Egypt, Jordan and other 0:01:53.810 --> 0:01:57.590 places has been rejected by most countries as nothing more 0:01:57.620 --> 0:02:01.250 than ethnic cleansing. What are the legal issues involved and 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:02.900 is the plan even workable? 0:02:02.930 --> 0:02:05.060 Yeah, let me break that down into a couple bite 0:02:05.090 --> 0:02:08.570 sized chunks. First, is this ethnic cleansing and is it 0:02:08.570 --> 0:02:12.500 even legal? Well, population movement and resettlement has, at least 0:02:12.500 --> 0:02:15.440 until recent times, been seen as a logical way to 0:02:15.470 --> 0:02:18.800 resolve ethnic tensions. After the Greek Turkish War, back in 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:23.480 1919 to 1922, a population exchange took place in which 0:02:23.510 --> 0:02:26.930 a half million Turks living in Greece were sent to Turkey, 0:02:26.930 --> 0:02:29.930 while hundreds of thousands of Greeks and Turkey were sent 0:02:29.930 --> 0:02:35.270 to Greece. In 1937, the British Peel Commission recommended transferring 0:02:35.270 --> 0:02:39.380 more than 200,000 Arabs from the proposed Jewish state to 0:02:39.410 --> 0:02:42.590 the Arab state. Following World War Two, there were an 0:02:42.590 --> 0:02:47.060 estimated 40 to 60 million people displaced due to redrawn 0:02:47.060 --> 0:02:52.370 borders and ethnic tensions. This ultimately included 650,000 Arabs who 0:02:52.370 --> 0:02:56.140 fled their homes in what became Israel, and about 850 0:02:56.139 --> 0:02:59.869 to 950,000 Jews who were forced to flee their homes 0:02:59.870 --> 0:03:03.680 in the surrounding Arab countries, and in the early 1990s, 0:03:03.710 --> 0:03:07.340 after the breakup of Yugoslavia. The war between Bosnia and 0:03:07.340 --> 0:03:11.420 Serbia resulted in the displacement of over 2 million refugees. Now, 0:03:11.419 --> 0:03:15.109 in that case, several individuals were convicted of war crimes 0:03:15.110 --> 0:03:19.040 for the forced transfer and deportation of Bosnians. The bottom 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:22.340 line today is that forced population transfer is considered a 0:03:22.340 --> 0:03:26.660 war crime. However, President Trump stressed a voluntary transfer to 0:03:26.690 --> 0:03:30.440 improve living conditions. That's more of a gray area. Which 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:33.800 leads to the second question is this plan even workable? 0:03:33.830 --> 0:03:36.500 And my answer is probably not, at least not as 0:03:36.500 --> 0:03:39.530 it was described. But it's possible that the very point 0:03:39.530 --> 0:03:42.500 of the plan is its absurdity. It's Trump's Art of 0:03:42.530 --> 0:03:45.590 the deal, where you start with an extreme demand that 0:03:45.590 --> 0:03:48.620 forces everyone to shift the boundaries of what was previously 0:03:48.620 --> 0:03:52.760 considered possible. Since his proposal, Arab countries have been meeting 0:03:52.790 --> 0:03:55.850 to develop an alternative plan, which is far different than 0:03:55.850 --> 0:03:59.030 their earlier position that Gaza must return to. Exactly what 0:03:59.030 --> 0:04:02.750 it was before October 7th. One proposal suggests forming a 0:04:02.750 --> 0:04:07.910 national Palestinian committee to govern Gaza, replacing Hamas. Jordan offered 0:04:07.910 --> 0:04:11.390 to take in several thousand children from Gaza for medical treatment, 0:04:11.390 --> 0:04:15.230 and Egypt's president traveled to Saudi Arabia to discuss an 0:04:15.230 --> 0:04:18.020 Arab plan that could include up to $20 billion from 0:04:18.020 --> 0:04:23.060 the region for reconstruction. Ultimately, however, over $53 billion is 0:04:23.060 --> 0:04:25.610 going to be needed over the next ten years. The 0:04:25.610 --> 0:04:28.849 initial $20 billion would only cover the first three years. Now, 0:04:28.850 --> 0:04:31.070 I have a friend who once described the type of 0:04:31.070 --> 0:04:34.670 negotiation technique that President Trump used here as the equivalent 0:04:34.670 --> 0:04:37.339 of throwing a hand grenade on a conference table. What 0:04:37.339 --> 0:04:39.320 he meant by that was when all sides are so 0:04:39.350 --> 0:04:43.220 entrenched and no one's willing to compromise, propose something totally 0:04:43.220 --> 0:04:46.310 outrageous and out of the box and suggest it as 0:04:46.310 --> 0:04:49.580 your course of action. It forces everyone to scramble for 0:04:49.580 --> 0:04:54.140 other alternatives. Now, hopefully, President Trump's plan will get people 0:04:54.140 --> 0:04:56.919 to cooperate in reaching an acceptable compromise. 0:04:56.950 --> 0:04:59.920 Charlie, quick question about Hamas. I read a headline, didn't 0:04:59.920 --> 0:05:03.070 really explore it much from a Hamas representative who stated 0:05:03.070 --> 0:05:05.590 that they will not be in charge of whatever becomes 0:05:05.589 --> 0:05:08.800 of Gaza in the future. Was that just words, or 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:10.180 do you think that might be true? 0:05:10.390 --> 0:05:12.400 That, I think, is words. In fact, I believe what 0:05:12.430 --> 0:05:15.520 Hamas would say is we'll just be regular Palestinians. And 0:05:15.550 --> 0:05:18.159 of course, then there will eventually be elections. And of course, 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:20.080 our people will run in the elections and they'll be 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:22.600 voted into office and and we'll take over again by 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:26.110 the ballot box. So don't believe everything Hamas says. 0:05:26.110 --> 0:05:29.500 Several news outlets have reported that Israel is planning to 0:05:29.500 --> 0:05:33.250 attack Iran's nuclear facilities in the near future. How accurate 0:05:33.250 --> 0:05:34.600 are these reports, do you think? 0:05:34.630 --> 0:05:37.180 Yeah, when it comes to these reports, everything isn't always 0:05:37.180 --> 0:05:40.029 what it seems to be. We do know the International 0:05:40.029 --> 0:05:43.300 Atomic Energy Agency believes time is running out for any 0:05:43.300 --> 0:05:46.089 kind of a nuclear deal with Iran right now. Iran 0:05:46.089 --> 0:05:50.890 has enough highly enriched uranium to eventually construct six nuclear weapons, 0:05:50.890 --> 0:05:53.680 and they're apparently exploring ways to more quickly turn that 0:05:53.710 --> 0:05:58.360 uranium into crude nuclear bombs. Now, these recent reports suggest 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:02.770 Israel is planning to attack Iran's nuclear facilities sometime this year. 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:05.229 But here's the problem. We don't know if those reports 0:06:05.230 --> 0:06:09.340 are stories that were uncovered by reporters or stories planted 0:06:09.339 --> 0:06:12.670 by the U.S. or Israel. It's possible the U.S. or 0:06:12.670 --> 0:06:15.430 Israel want to frighten Iran into being more willing to 0:06:15.460 --> 0:06:19.210 negotiate a deal to limit their nuclear program. President Trump 0:06:19.210 --> 0:06:22.270 has said this would be his preferred outcome. But in 0:06:22.270 --> 0:06:25.539 light of Iran's intransigence, it's also possible the stories were 0:06:25.540 --> 0:06:28.539 intended as a final warning to Iran that time is 0:06:28.540 --> 0:06:32.350 running out. I suspect the second option is more likely. 0:06:32.380 --> 0:06:35.170 Israel and the U.S. are discussing ways to eliminate or 0:06:35.170 --> 0:06:40.120 severely degrade Iran's nuclear facilities. The main question is whether 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:42.940 Israel will act alone, or if the U.S. will assist 0:06:42.940 --> 0:06:47.770 with technical and logistical support, like providing tankers for refueling planes, 0:06:47.770 --> 0:06:50.380 or if the two countries will actually unite in a 0:06:50.380 --> 0:06:53.919 joint attack. In the past week, Israel took delivery of 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:58.779 1500 bunker busting bombs from the US. These 200 £0 0:06:58.779 --> 0:07:02.169 bombs could damage a great deal of Iran's nuclear facilities, 0:07:02.170 --> 0:07:05.230 though it's uncertain if they could reach the underground facilities 0:07:05.230 --> 0:07:08.500 at places like Fordow. However, the US has developed a 0:07:08.500 --> 0:07:11.980 30 zero zero £0 bomb that's apparently able to destroy 0:07:11.980 --> 0:07:15.790 a facility hundreds of feet underground. If the US and 0:07:15.790 --> 0:07:18.790 Israel do conduct a joint strike on Iran, it's likely 0:07:18.790 --> 0:07:22.030 they would set back Iran's nuclear program for years and 0:07:22.030 --> 0:07:26.170 send a message to other countries as well, like North Korea. Unfortunately, 0:07:26.170 --> 0:07:28.630 we won't know if the news stories are real or 0:07:28.630 --> 0:07:30.580 planted until later this year. 0:07:30.610 --> 0:07:32.980 This is the land and the book from Moody Radio 0:07:33.010 --> 0:07:36.700 with Middle East expert Doctor Charlie Dyer. 3000 Years of 0:07:36.700 --> 0:07:39.790 Jewish history is now on display in a new exhibit 0:07:39.790 --> 0:07:43.480 at Israel's Ben-Gurion airport. What exactly is on display and 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:44.830 how long will it be there? 0:07:44.860 --> 0:07:48.160 Yeah, those traveling through Ben-Gurion airport can now spend time 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:52.510 exploring this new archaeological Illogical exhibition. It's called The Eternity 0:07:52.510 --> 0:07:56.410 of Israel, and the exhibit takes visitors through 3000 years 0:07:56.410 --> 0:07:59.980 of Jewish history, showing Israel's connection to the land. Now, 0:07:59.980 --> 0:08:02.290 part of the reason for the exhibit is to show 0:08:02.290 --> 0:08:05.500 how the archaeological history of the land and the history 0:08:05.500 --> 0:08:09.580 of Israel and the Jewish people do intertwine. It reinforces 0:08:09.580 --> 0:08:13.360 the reality of Israel's historical connection to this strategic piece 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:17.440 of real estate. The exhibit includes both photographs and actual discoveries, 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:20.710 including a five ton stone from the western wall of 0:08:20.710 --> 0:08:23.770 the Second Temple in Jerusalem. It also features a hoard 0:08:23.770 --> 0:08:27.100 of coins discovered in the desert, tools from a Hasmonean 0:08:27.100 --> 0:08:31.030 era farm near Mount Arbel, ancient weapons and a seal 0:08:31.060 --> 0:08:34.720 bearing the name Ahab, the King of Israel, who married Jezebel. 0:08:34.750 --> 0:08:37.690 Every display and photo comes with its own QR code 0:08:37.690 --> 0:08:40.630 that will allow passengers to access videos filmed at the 0:08:40.630 --> 0:08:44.320 excavation sites and other details. Now, the exhibit is scheduled 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:47.679 to run through the end of this year and Lord willing, John, 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.320 I'm looking forward to seeing it during my trip in November. 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:53.080 And we'll look forward to hearing your report on that exhibit. Well, 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:56.320 speaking of Ben Gurion Airport, what's the latest on travel 0:08:56.350 --> 0:08:59.740 to Israel? Is the country finally opening for tourism as 0:08:59.740 --> 0:09:02.949 we hear about more airlines going ahead with flights? 0:09:02.980 --> 0:09:05.679 Yeah, I've got good news and less good news, but 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:08.770 thankfully it's not bad news. Air France did resume flights 0:09:08.770 --> 0:09:12.130 from Paris to Tel Aviv on January 25th, and Lufthansa 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:16.240 began flying February 1st. Several other major U.S. and international 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:19.420 airlines have also announced they'll begin flying in the coming weeks. 0:09:19.570 --> 0:09:23.020 United said it will resume flights starting on March 15th, 0:09:23.020 --> 0:09:26.260 and Delta will begin flying April 1st. British Air is 0:09:26.260 --> 0:09:29.680 scheduled to follow with direct flights from London beginning April 5th. 0:09:29.710 --> 0:09:32.470 The one major airline that's still not planning to fly 0:09:32.470 --> 0:09:35.980 anytime soon is American Airlines. They've said they won't start 0:09:35.980 --> 0:09:39.489 flights until September. Now, the number of daily flights will 0:09:39.490 --> 0:09:42.670 start out slowly, which means ticket prices aren't expected to 0:09:42.670 --> 0:09:45.160 start falling until later in the summer. And that's one 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:48.580 part of the less good news. But as airlines expand flights, 0:09:48.580 --> 0:09:51.820 hopefully ticket prices will also begin to drop. The other 0:09:51.820 --> 0:09:55.120 less good news is that beginning in January, travelers are 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:59.110 now required to obtain an electronic travel authorization prior to 0:09:59.140 --> 0:10:01.900 flying to Israel. It's similar to the requirements that are 0:10:01.900 --> 0:10:04.870 in place in the UK and other places in Europe 0:10:04.870 --> 0:10:06.850 that are going into place this summer, and we have 0:10:06.850 --> 0:10:10.059 a similar system for visitors who arrive here from other countries. 0:10:10.090 --> 0:10:13.209 Israel's program is going to cost about $7. It's applied 0:10:13.210 --> 0:10:15.640 for online and it will be valid for two years. 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:17.650 So it's a bit of a hassle, but then it's 0:10:17.650 --> 0:10:19.839 a small price to pay to help make sure that 0:10:19.870 --> 0:10:22.030 there's no one on that plane who's going to cause 0:10:22.059 --> 0:10:23.830 problems once they get to Israel. 0:10:23.830 --> 0:10:26.260 And that's a look at current events from the Middle East. 0:10:26.260 --> 0:10:28.120 In our next segment, we're going to take a look 0:10:28.150 --> 0:10:30.520 at heaven itself. You know, when was the last time 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:34.209 you really wondered about heaven? If our eternal destiny is 0:10:34.210 --> 0:10:38.080 not here, not now. Shouldn't we give the future more thought, 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:40.719 more study? Well, that's where we're headed in a conversation 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:43.300 you don't want to miss on the land and the book. 0:10:43.330 --> 0:10:46.480 Then it's Bible questions and answers and Charlie Dyer's devotional 0:10:46.540 --> 0:11:03.760 All Ahead on the land and the book. If ever 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.520 there was a place of wonder, it's heaven. But when 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:09.640 was the last time you actually wondered about heaven? If 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:12.190 that's our eternal destiny as believers, shouldn't we give it 0:11:12.190 --> 0:11:15.970 some thought, some study, some prep? Even I think so. Hey, 0:11:15.970 --> 0:11:18.850 welcome back to the land and the book. I'm John Gager. 0:11:18.850 --> 0:11:22.959 We're about to separate what's true about heaven from what's legend. 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:25.570 But while we remain here, we're called to share the 0:11:25.570 --> 0:11:28.720 love of Christ and His saving message with everybody. So, hey, 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:30.820 what do you say we take another shot of encouragement 0:11:30.820 --> 0:11:33.910 for reaching out to our Jewish friends? Have you ever 0:11:33.940 --> 0:11:36.790 wondered what the Bible is referring to when it talks 0:11:36.790 --> 0:11:40.960 about Israel's spiritual blindness? Let's ask Wes Tabor, who's an 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:44.319 ambassador with life in Messiah. What do we mean by that? Well, 0:11:44.350 --> 0:11:46.380 all non-believers are blinded by Satan. 0:11:46.380 --> 0:11:50.010 John. Second Corinthians four says, but even if our gospel 0:11:50.010 --> 0:11:52.440 is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:56.310 whose minds the God of this age has blinded, but 0:11:56.309 --> 0:11:59.640 God also judicially blinded, rebellious Israel, you know, back in 0:11:59.670 --> 0:12:04.170 Isaiah six. Second Corinthians 315 says that there's a veil 0:12:04.170 --> 0:12:07.440 on their hearts when the Torah is read. And Paul 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:11.130 says in Romans, this blindness is both partial and temporary. 0:12:11.130 --> 0:12:14.040 So in light of this spiritual blindness, what can we 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:15.270 as believers do? 0:12:15.300 --> 0:12:18.060 Well, pray. Pray for the veil to be removed and 0:12:18.059 --> 0:12:22.020 for God's Spirit to enliven the truth. Paul prays in 0:12:22.020 --> 0:12:24.660 Ephesians one, I pray that the eyes of your heart 0:12:24.690 --> 0:12:26.490 may be enlightened. Verse 18. 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.770 What a great prayer. May the eyes of your heart 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:33.810 be enlightened. That's Wes Tabor with life in Messiah. Jennifer 0:12:33.809 --> 0:12:37.080 Rothschild cannot see, but that hasn't stopped her from much 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:40.050 of anything blind. Since the age of 15. She's written 0:12:40.050 --> 0:12:44.760 19 books and Bible studies, including her video based Bible study, Heaven. 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:50.340 When Faith Becomes Sight, Jennifer travels the country offering fresh, sensible, 0:12:50.370 --> 0:12:53.850 biblical advice to audiences who, like her, are determined to 0:12:53.850 --> 0:12:57.420 pursue healthy and productive lives. Jennifer has shared her inspiring 0:12:57.420 --> 0:13:01.290 message to the arena sized audiences of the popular women 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:05.100 of Faith conferences and media outlets, including Doctor Phil, Good 0:13:05.130 --> 0:13:08.400 Morning America, as well as a Billy Graham television special. 0:13:08.429 --> 0:13:11.220 We really enjoyed our last visit. Jennifer. We had to 0:13:11.220 --> 0:13:13.470 have you come back and talk about heaven. Thank you 0:13:13.470 --> 0:13:14.550 for reconnecting. 0:13:14.580 --> 0:13:17.429 Oh, I loved our last conversation and I'm really looking 0:13:17.429 --> 0:13:18.900 forward to talking about heaven. 0:13:18.929 --> 0:13:21.480 All right, let's give a quick overview, for starters about 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:23.910 what this video based Bible study is all about. You're 0:13:23.910 --> 0:13:26.160 not the first to tackle the subject of heaven, and 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:27.150 it's a big one. 0:13:27.210 --> 0:13:30.150 It's such a big one. It was daunting and I 0:13:30.150 --> 0:13:32.730 thought it was a great idea until I started writing 0:13:32.730 --> 0:13:38.220 the Bible study, and I realized I knew so little. 0:13:38.220 --> 0:13:42.030 And the real interesting thing, John, is heaven is this 0:13:42.030 --> 0:13:45.300 place we all want to go and some of us 0:13:45.300 --> 0:13:48.960 think we're going. And so what I recognized is there's 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:53.670 so much misunderstanding about heaven. And in that misunderstanding, people 0:13:53.670 --> 0:13:58.020 miss not just going there when they die, but missing 0:13:58.020 --> 0:14:01.199 the impact of heaven now. So, oh, listen, I learned 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:03.840 so much about it. It's a six week Bible study 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.809 which is video based, and we go through what heaven is, 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:09.900 what heaven is, not, what the Bible says about our 0:14:09.900 --> 0:14:13.290 eternal life, our resurrected bodies. But I do it in 0:14:13.290 --> 0:14:16.200 such a way that it's like holding the hand of 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:19.170 the reader, because I needed somebody to hold my hand 0:14:19.170 --> 0:14:22.680 as I was learning. And so the beautiful thing is, 0:14:22.710 --> 0:14:28.229 we learn that God called us to live with him 0:14:28.230 --> 0:14:31.410 forever in heaven. That's why Jesus came to bring us 0:14:31.410 --> 0:14:35.910 to heaven someday. But even better, it's to bring heaven 0:14:35.910 --> 0:14:36.660 to earth. 0:14:36.660 --> 0:14:40.590 Now let's ponder a bit of basic theology you write. 0:14:40.590 --> 0:14:44.370 Our hope of heaven rests on the resurrection. Yeah. For 0:14:44.370 --> 0:14:46.680 somebody who's never given it a thought, why is that 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:47.520 so critical? 0:14:47.850 --> 0:14:52.590 Well, if Jesus had not died and risen from the grave, 0:14:52.620 --> 0:14:57.060 then according to First Corinthians chapter 15, there would be 0:14:57.090 --> 0:15:00.540 zero resurrection. In other words, when we think of heaven, 0:15:00.570 --> 0:15:04.110 or at least when I originally thought of heaven, I thought, well, 0:15:04.110 --> 0:15:06.570 if I close my eyes to this life right now, 0:15:06.570 --> 0:15:08.250 that I'm going to show up in heaven with this 0:15:08.250 --> 0:15:11.040 glorified body, and I'm going to be able to see 0:15:11.070 --> 0:15:13.980 and dance, and I'll probably have beautiful blonde hair, even 0:15:14.010 --> 0:15:15.690 though I don't have it here on earth. I just 0:15:15.690 --> 0:15:19.830 pictured this glorified body. Okay. And the more I studied heaven, 0:15:19.830 --> 0:15:23.400 the more I realized, no, there is a present heaven 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.460 where yes, we go when we close our eyes to 0:15:26.490 --> 0:15:29.490 this earth. Because to be absent from the body is 0:15:29.490 --> 0:15:33.420 to be present with the Lord. But it's not necessarily 0:15:33.420 --> 0:15:38.760 the glorified body that we will receive someday when Christ returns. See, 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:41.820 when the Bible talks about heaven. For the most part, 0:15:41.850 --> 0:15:45.810 it's it's speaking of our glorious, unending, this new heavens 0:15:45.810 --> 0:15:49.110 and new earth. And that's where we will receive this 0:15:49.110 --> 0:15:53.610 resurrected body. And the beautiful thing is, John, the Bible 0:15:53.610 --> 0:15:56.910 says it will be like Jesus resurrected body. And if 0:15:56.910 --> 0:15:59.850 you study what Jesus's body was like when he raised 0:15:59.850 --> 0:16:03.300 from the grave, it was a material body. Yes, he ate, 0:16:03.330 --> 0:16:06.450 he drank, he laughed. And so heaven is not just 0:16:06.450 --> 0:16:13.170 this ethereal place. It will be a material, literal, glorious, unending. 0:16:13.170 --> 0:16:14.790 When our faith becomes sight. 0:16:14.820 --> 0:16:17.340 We're looking up into heaven as best we can. On 0:16:17.340 --> 0:16:20.190 today's edition of The Land and the book leading our 0:16:20.190 --> 0:16:23.580 exploration is an adventurer by the name of Jennifer Rothschild. 0:16:23.580 --> 0:16:25.290 You know, when it comes to what we'll be doing 0:16:25.290 --> 0:16:28.140 in heaven, Jennifer, the Bible is a little thin. Yeah, 0:16:28.170 --> 0:16:30.090 I sometimes wish we had more to go on. Part 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:32.610 of me says, you know, if people really understood how 0:16:32.610 --> 0:16:35.550 awesome it'll be, they'd step up their game spiritually. They'd 0:16:35.550 --> 0:16:38.670 get more excited about heaven. They'd share Jesus more with 0:16:38.670 --> 0:16:41.070 their unsaved friends? But the other part of me says 0:16:41.070 --> 0:16:44.670 we've already been told I has not seen nor ear heard. 0:16:44.670 --> 0:16:46.590 Neither has it entered into the heart of man. The 0:16:46.590 --> 0:16:49.320 things that God has prepared for those who love him. 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:52.410 So oddly. Heaven itself is a trust issue even after 0:16:52.410 --> 0:16:54.900 we've trusted Christ for our salvation. How do you react 0:16:54.900 --> 0:16:55.470 to that? 0:16:55.860 --> 0:16:58.230 Well, you know the same way I react every time 0:16:58.230 --> 0:17:00.480 I get on an airplane. And here's what I mean 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:03.030 by that. When I get on an airplane, I am 0:17:03.030 --> 0:17:06.660 not a licensed pilot. I am a passenger. And I 0:17:06.660 --> 0:17:09.690 will sit on the airplane and I will buckle up. 0:17:09.690 --> 0:17:14.399 And I trust the pilot. Yes, I trust things I 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:17.310 don't understand, and I literally put my life in that 0:17:17.310 --> 0:17:21.570 pilot's hands, knowing that he knows more than me. You 0:17:21.570 --> 0:17:24.480 know the Apostle Paul in second Corinthians 12, he had 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.510 this experience where he was caught up to what he 0:17:27.510 --> 0:17:31.530 called the third heaven Paradise. It would be like what 0:17:31.530 --> 0:17:36.180 we consider today the present heaven where God dwells, where 0:17:36.180 --> 0:17:40.080 our deceased loved ones in Christ are right now. And 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:43.590 so Paul said, I have this experience. And he said 0:17:43.590 --> 0:17:45.209 several times, whether it was in the body or out 0:17:45.210 --> 0:17:48.660 of the body, I do not know. God knows. That's 0:17:48.660 --> 0:17:52.410 how we deal with heaven. But God does, and we 0:17:52.410 --> 0:17:56.250 can trust him. And really, the point of heaven is 0:17:56.250 --> 0:18:00.690 Christ Himself. All of the questions we may have, all 0:18:00.690 --> 0:18:05.580 the longing. Those are pointers. They're not the destination. They're 0:18:05.609 --> 0:18:08.909 the pathway to get to the ultimate point of heaven, 0:18:08.910 --> 0:18:13.200 which is oneness with Christ, which we were created for. 0:18:13.230 --> 0:18:17.820 Heaven is our ultimate home because Jesus is our Savior, 0:18:17.820 --> 0:18:20.340 and so he's the point of heaven. Everything else just 0:18:20.340 --> 0:18:21.120 points to it. 0:18:21.150 --> 0:18:22.080 Yes. 0:18:22.290 --> 0:18:27.119 Jennifer Rothschild founded Women's Ministry Net back in 1998, an 0:18:27.150 --> 0:18:31.409 online leadership resource providing tools for women in the local church. 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:33.270 She talks with us today on the land and the 0:18:33.270 --> 0:18:36.000 book about her book, Heaven when Faith Becomes Sight, which 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:38.790 is also partnered with a video series. You got to 0:18:38.790 --> 0:18:41.429 check it out. We'll have a link at our website. Jennifer, 0:18:41.430 --> 0:18:44.939 there's no shortage of legends and mistruths about heaven. What 0:18:44.940 --> 0:18:47.280 are the first 1 or 2 that come to your mind? 0:18:47.730 --> 0:18:51.600 Well, as a little girl, John, I remember singing that song. 0:18:51.630 --> 0:18:55.560 I've got a mansion just over the hilltop and I 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:57.810 literally thought, okay, I have got a mansion. I have 0:18:57.810 --> 0:19:00.480 been decorating it in my mind's eye since I was 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.869 eight years old. And then that's based on, of course, 0:19:03.869 --> 0:19:07.889 John chapter 14, where Jesus says in the King James Version, 0:19:07.890 --> 0:19:11.190 in my father's house are many mansions. Well, a more 0:19:11.190 --> 0:19:16.619 accurate rendering is many rooms, many dwelling places. So it's interesting. 0:19:16.619 --> 0:19:23.910 I had a very, oh gosh, self-centered, Jennifer centric view 0:19:23.910 --> 0:19:26.399 of heaven. It was about me. I can't wait to 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:29.159 get there. I'm blind now, but I'm going to be 0:19:29.190 --> 0:19:31.949 able to see there that is heaven, or I'm going 0:19:31.980 --> 0:19:34.170 to have a mansion. I'm going to have freedom. Oh, 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:37.460 that's heaven, or I'm going to get to see my dad, 0:19:37.670 --> 0:19:41.570 who I miss so much. Oh that's heaven. And the 0:19:41.570 --> 0:19:46.850 more I realized and unlearned what Scripture says about heaven, 0:19:46.850 --> 0:19:50.390 I realized, no, that's not the point of heaven. If 0:19:50.390 --> 0:19:53.119 I've got nothing, if I'm just a doorkeeper in the 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:55.850 house of the Lord, and I get to see Jesus 0:19:55.850 --> 0:20:00.680 face to face, which I will. That's heaven enough right there. 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:02.330 And so I think if we can move from a 0:20:02.330 --> 0:20:05.600 self-centered view of heaven to a Christ centered view of heaven, 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:07.910 then we're going to really begin to experience the reality 0:20:07.910 --> 0:20:09.260 of heaven here on this side. 0:20:09.290 --> 0:20:09.830 You know, it really. 0:20:09.830 --> 0:20:11.629 Seems to me that the issue is how much do 0:20:11.630 --> 0:20:14.570 we love Jesus? I mean, as you've correctly pointed out, 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:18.770 heaven is essentially being with Jesus. It's not necessarily the 0:20:18.770 --> 0:20:21.110 place and all of its accoutrements, although I'm sure those 0:20:21.109 --> 0:20:25.070 will be mind blowing. Heaven is Jesus. It's presence with Jesus, 0:20:25.070 --> 0:20:27.919 living with Jesus, worshiping with Jesus. That either excites us 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:29.270 or it doesn't. Seems to me. 0:20:29.300 --> 0:20:33.830 Yeah, yeah. You know, unfortunately, on this side of eternity, 0:20:33.830 --> 0:20:37.820 Unless Christ returns, we have to die to get to heaven. 0:20:37.820 --> 0:20:41.180 And so sometimes we're still afraid of death, that we 0:20:41.180 --> 0:20:43.369 make that the period at the end of our sentence like, well, 0:20:43.369 --> 0:20:45.770 there's nothing, you know. Yes, heaven is good, but it's 0:20:45.770 --> 0:20:49.400 an afterthought. And what I'm learning is, no, death is 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:51.619 not like the period at the end of a sentence. 0:20:51.650 --> 0:20:53.780 It's not like the end of our story. It's the 0:20:53.780 --> 0:20:58.100 comma that transitions us to the forever story of our 0:20:58.100 --> 0:21:03.080 life this side of eternity. It's beautiful, but it's the prologue. 0:21:03.230 --> 0:21:07.070 The better story is part of the better country. And 0:21:07.070 --> 0:21:09.739 so when, when we can consider it that way, we 0:21:09.740 --> 0:21:12.590 look at it almost like C.S. Lewis did, like this 0:21:12.590 --> 0:21:16.669 is the Shadowland, but there's going to be a greater substance. 0:21:16.670 --> 0:21:20.119 And when it comes to longing for heaven, I mean, 0:21:20.150 --> 0:21:22.429 he even talked about death, that we have one of 0:21:22.430 --> 0:21:26.480 three ways that we experience it. We either fear it, 0:21:26.600 --> 0:21:29.869 we ignore it, which he contends, most of us in 0:21:29.869 --> 0:21:32.990 culture do even Christian culture. And then he said, or 0:21:32.990 --> 0:21:36.140 we desire it. And I don't really none of us 0:21:36.140 --> 0:21:39.170 listening right now would desire death. But I think what 0:21:39.170 --> 0:21:41.900 he's referring to is what Paul did, you know, that 0:21:41.900 --> 0:21:45.680 I would rather I would more desire to be with Christ. 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:48.859 And that's that longing that you're talking about seeing that 0:21:48.890 --> 0:21:52.790 heaven is about Jesus. And I remember one day, John, 0:21:52.790 --> 0:21:54.590 I was in the kitchen with my daughter in law. 0:21:54.619 --> 0:21:57.650 She was new in our family, and with blindness, it's 0:21:57.650 --> 0:22:01.700 really hard to do a lot of things. Yeah, my cooking. 0:22:01.700 --> 0:22:04.070 But I was convinced I was going to impress her 0:22:04.070 --> 0:22:08.060 and make Thanksgiving dinner by myself. So she's sitting there 0:22:08.060 --> 0:22:09.949 at the kitchen bar and she's like, can I help you? 0:22:09.950 --> 0:22:12.740 I'm like, no, I got this. Well, it was clear, John, 0:22:12.740 --> 0:22:14.960 after a little bit, I did not have it. Like 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:17.090 I left the microwave open and banged into it in 0:22:17.090 --> 0:22:20.030 my face. I burned my hand and she keeps saying, 0:22:20.060 --> 0:22:21.530 can I help you? And I'm like, no, I got it, 0:22:21.530 --> 0:22:26.330 I got it. Well, finally she pauses and she goes, man, 0:22:27.020 --> 0:22:32.300 blindness must be really hard. And I paused and it 0:22:32.300 --> 0:22:34.580 was like the kindness of the Lord. He just echoed 0:22:34.580 --> 0:22:37.250 this phrase in my heart, and I've clung to it 0:22:37.250 --> 0:22:39.889 ever since. I looked at my daughter in law and 0:22:39.890 --> 0:22:44.810 I said, yes, blindness is hard, but earth is. 0:22:44.810 --> 0:22:45.740 Short. 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:49.790 And heaven is long. And I think, John, that was 0:22:49.790 --> 0:22:52.340 the kindness of God to me. And I say it 0:22:52.340 --> 0:22:54.140 to you, and I say it to all of us 0:22:54.140 --> 0:22:58.100 right now who are listening, that our true home is 0:22:58.100 --> 0:23:02.540 heaven and earth is short, but heaven is long. And 0:23:02.540 --> 0:23:06.260 if we can attach our hope and our treasure to heaven, 0:23:06.380 --> 0:23:09.440 then even the hard things here on earth, they begin 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:13.790 to work within us that far greater weight of glory. 0:23:14.210 --> 0:23:18.050 Jennifer, talk to that listener right now who has up 0:23:18.050 --> 0:23:20.270 to this point thought they're going to get to heaven 0:23:20.300 --> 0:23:22.700 on their own. They're going to try hard enough. They've 0:23:22.700 --> 0:23:24.679 got this just like you in that kitchen. You're going 0:23:24.710 --> 0:23:27.800 to do this. You're going to. And frankly, they've banged 0:23:27.830 --> 0:23:31.710 their head and they've burned their hands and and they're 0:23:31.710 --> 0:23:34.380 not headed for heaven, and they don't know what to do. 0:23:34.410 --> 0:23:36.870 Would you explain real simply what they need to do 0:23:36.869 --> 0:23:39.180 to receive the gift of eternal life? 0:23:39.330 --> 0:23:42.990 Well, you know, when Jesus was talking to his disciples, 0:23:42.990 --> 0:23:45.720 the guys who loved him, and he was saying, you know, 0:23:45.750 --> 0:23:48.389 don't let your heart be troubled. You know, you believe 0:23:48.390 --> 0:23:51.239 in God. You believe also in me. And that's when 0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:53.670 he started talking about heaven. And he said, in my 0:23:53.670 --> 0:23:56.340 father's house there are many rooms. And if it were 0:23:56.340 --> 0:23:59.310 not so well, then I would have told you so 0:23:59.340 --> 0:24:02.220 I'm going to prepare a place for you. So then 0:24:02.220 --> 0:24:05.820 these guys who are trust in Jesus, they say like 0:24:05.820 --> 0:24:08.820 one of them named Thomas. He says, okay, that's good Jesus. 0:24:08.820 --> 0:24:10.709 But like, how do we know the way? 0:24:10.740 --> 0:24:11.130 Yeah. 0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:13.320 And that's essentially what you're saying because that's what we 0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:15.750 want to know. How do we know the way? And 0:24:15.750 --> 0:24:19.620 Jesus said the most simple and profound way. He didn't say, well, Thomas, 0:24:19.619 --> 0:24:22.710 you work hard enough. You please me, you make me happy. 0:24:22.710 --> 0:24:25.470 You be a good guy, a great citizen. You go 0:24:25.470 --> 0:24:29.660 to church, you love your people. No. All he said was, Thomas, 0:24:29.690 --> 0:24:33.350 I am the way, I am the truth, and I 0:24:33.380 --> 0:24:36.020 am the life. And nobody comes to the father except 0:24:36.020 --> 0:24:38.690 through me. So if you've been banging your head and 0:24:38.690 --> 0:24:43.189 burning your hands trying to get to heaven, that's because 0:24:43.190 --> 0:24:45.889 you're trying to make a way. When Jesus is the way. 0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:48.470 So to go to heaven simply means you say, Jesus, 0:24:48.470 --> 0:24:51.500 I trust that you are the way. You are the truth. 0:24:51.530 --> 0:24:54.229 It's not my truth. It's not anybody else's truth. It's 0:24:54.230 --> 0:24:57.410 your truth. And because you died on the cross, that 0:24:57.410 --> 0:25:01.940 cross became the bridge that I can walk across. When 0:25:01.940 --> 0:25:06.380 I trust you to walk from my sin into your salvation. 0:25:06.380 --> 0:25:10.550 From my sad, sinful ending to the glorious, unending of 0:25:10.550 --> 0:25:12.050 being with you forever. 0:25:12.350 --> 0:25:15.890 You know, if you have given that thought and right now, 0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:18.109 or even praying that prayer, we'd love to connect with you. 0:25:18.109 --> 0:25:22.670 You can email us at The Land and the book@moody.edu, 0:25:22.700 --> 0:25:24.560 if you would like to talk with a real human 0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:26.720 being right now, who knows Jesus, who knows the way 0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:29.510 to heaven and they'll be glad to pray with you. 0:25:29.660 --> 0:25:34.909 Call 888. Need him. 888. Need him. Jennifer. Our time 0:25:34.910 --> 0:25:38.150 is gone, man. It's a blast. Always to connect. Thank 0:25:38.180 --> 0:25:39.800 you for your work on this book. Thank you for 0:25:39.800 --> 0:25:40.790 sharing with us. 0:25:40.820 --> 0:25:43.250 Yeah. My pleasure. Thank you John. Bless you. 0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:45.770 And again, a link to Jennifer's book about heaven when 0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:50.570 Faith Becomes Sight at our website, the land and the book.org. 0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:52.790 What are you wondering about when you read the Bible? 0:25:52.790 --> 0:26:07.040 We'll talk about it next on the land and the book. Hey, 0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:09.080 thanks for listening to the land and the book. If 0:26:09.109 --> 0:26:12.080 you weren't listening, then probably nobody would be listening. I mean, 0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:14.510 come on, it takes all of us, right? Thanks for 0:26:14.510 --> 0:26:17.389 your company. Appreciate knowing you're out there. I'm John Geiger, 0:26:17.390 --> 0:26:20.570 by the way. Segment three is devoted to questions and 0:26:20.570 --> 0:26:24.680 answers from Doctor Gerald Peterman, our resident Bible expert here 0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:28.130 on the Moody Bible Institute faculty. How's your day going today, Jerry? 0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:30.530 Ah, I haven't got frostbite, so I'm doing really well. 0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:33.530 Okay, well, you know, I'm going to get to our 0:26:33.530 --> 0:26:37.070 first question after I focus for a moment on Passover itself. 0:26:37.100 --> 0:26:40.490 What does Passover mean for us as believers in Jesus? 0:26:40.490 --> 0:26:43.070 Some might remember the story from the book of Exodus, 0:26:43.070 --> 0:26:45.860 but there's so much more to it. Did you know 0:26:45.859 --> 0:26:48.890 that the Last Supper was actually a Passover meal? Not 0:26:48.890 --> 0:26:52.639 only did Jesus and his disciples celebrate Passover, it also 0:26:52.640 --> 0:26:55.790 foreshadowed his death on the cross for our redemption. And 0:26:55.790 --> 0:26:58.340 Jewish people have been observing the feast of Passover for 0:26:58.369 --> 0:27:02.090 thousands of years and understanding the history. The importance of 0:27:02.090 --> 0:27:04.460 this holiday will help you and me better connect with 0:27:04.460 --> 0:27:07.609 our Jewish friends and neighbors and coworkers. Hey, what better 0:27:07.609 --> 0:27:11.600 way is there to learn about Passover than to experience 0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:14.480 a Passover Seder yourself? We did this last year. It 0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:18.050 was awesome. And if you've never celebrated Passover well, our 0:27:18.050 --> 0:27:20.540 friends at Life in Messiah would love to partner with 0:27:20.540 --> 0:27:24.590 you in hosting a Seder experience. Every year their staff 0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:28.800 engaged churches and small groups in an interactive Messiah in 0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:33.000 the Passover Seder, allowing participants to taste and to see 0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:36.360 the redemption story firsthand. If you're interested, and I bet 0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:39.030 you are in having somebody come lead a Seder in 0:27:39.030 --> 0:27:45.090 your area, just head to life in messiah.org. Life in messiah.org. 0:27:45.090 --> 0:27:47.879 Click on the Moody Radio button there to learn more. Again, 0:27:47.910 --> 0:27:52.170 that's life in messiah.org. All right. He's got a lot 0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:54.810 of time invested in your questions, and I'm looking forward 0:27:54.810 --> 0:27:57.300 to hearing some of those answers. Ready for this first one. 0:27:57.300 --> 0:27:58.020 Yes, sir. 0:27:58.050 --> 0:28:00.480 All right Gerald Peterman never breaks a sweat. Here he 0:28:00.480 --> 0:28:02.820 is with a question from Ken who takes us to 0:28:02.850 --> 0:28:06.720 Daniel 11. Verse 37 says the Antichrist will have no 0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:09.990 interest in women. I've heard various opinions on what this means, 0:28:09.990 --> 0:28:12.300 but I'm wondering if he will be gay. What is 0:28:12.300 --> 0:28:13.050 your opinion? 0:28:13.050 --> 0:28:16.619 Well, good. Let's go to Daniel 1137 and read it. 0:28:16.650 --> 0:28:20.190 We see two things that the Antichrist will pay no 0:28:20.190 --> 0:28:24.040 attention to. It says he shall pay no attention to 0:28:24.070 --> 0:28:27.129 the gods of his fathers. So gods is the first thing. 0:28:27.130 --> 0:28:31.390 He's anti-God. Further, it says he will pay no attention 0:28:31.390 --> 0:28:35.680 to the one who is loved by women. So it's 0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:39.700 not ignoring women, but ignoring the one loved by women. 0:28:39.700 --> 0:28:43.060 I think Doctor Michael Dolnick has it right when in 0:28:43.060 --> 0:28:46.390 the Moody Bible Commentary he says this is a reference 0:28:46.390 --> 0:28:49.420 to the longing of Jewish women to give birth to 0:28:49.450 --> 0:28:53.860 the Messiah. So in other words, it's not a romantic reference, 0:28:53.860 --> 0:28:57.820 but a spiritual one. The Antichrist, as his name tells us, 0:28:57.850 --> 0:29:00.160 is opposed to the Christ. 0:29:00.670 --> 0:29:01.300 Lorna. 0:29:01.330 --> 0:29:04.000 Wants to know about. First Chronicles two seven and first 0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:07.540 Chronicles four, verse one, that mention Karmi as a descendant 0:29:07.540 --> 0:29:10.330 of Judah who was Karmi, and also who was the 0:29:10.330 --> 0:29:12.310 father of her and Shobal. 0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:16.720 From first Chronicles, it's clear that Karmi is a descendant 0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:20.290 of Judah, but it's difficult to know exactly how Karmi 0:29:20.290 --> 0:29:25.930 is remembered as the father of aCaa, or sometimes spelled akin, 0:29:25.930 --> 0:29:30.040 who defied Israel by stealing and hiding in his tent. 0:29:30.070 --> 0:29:33.280 Things taken from Jericho. I'll go back and read that story. 0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:36.580 It's well worth reading. That event takes place in Joshua nine, 0:29:36.580 --> 0:29:39.580 but we should keep in mind that Genesis 46 tells 0:29:39.580 --> 0:29:42.970 us Judah and his brothers and their families went into Egypt, 0:29:42.970 --> 0:29:47.050 and then 400 years later, out comes Joshua with the 0:29:47.050 --> 0:29:49.480 people of God for the conquest of the land. So 0:29:49.480 --> 0:29:52.930 there's a very large gap of time between Judah and 0:29:52.930 --> 0:29:56.470 his descendant Carmi. Now, wait, there's a second part of 0:29:56.470 --> 0:29:59.740 this question, and that's about her and Shobal. Her and 0:29:59.740 --> 0:30:03.190 Shobal are mentioned in First Chronicles four one. They're descendants 0:30:03.190 --> 0:30:05.890 of Judah, but in both cases it's difficult to know 0:30:05.890 --> 0:30:08.980 where to place them. Exactly. I think probably they're from 0:30:08.980 --> 0:30:12.100 the family of Caleb, from the Tribe of Judah. 0:30:12.130 --> 0:30:15.460 Gina is reading Charlie Dyer's book, Who Owns the Land? 0:30:15.460 --> 0:30:18.760 And she says. In it, Doctor Dyer describes the rise 0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:22.870 of Christian animosity toward Jews in the Byzantine era as 0:30:22.900 --> 0:30:26.980 assassins of God and their authority being more merciless than 0:30:26.980 --> 0:30:29.920 their heathen enemies. She wants to know what events led 0:30:29.950 --> 0:30:32.500 to the decline of the early church under Peter to 0:30:32.530 --> 0:30:35.710 allow such hatred toward the Jews. Aside from their perception 0:30:35.710 --> 0:30:39.700 of being assassins, surely the apostles and their students taught otherwise. 0:30:39.700 --> 0:30:43.090 You are right to wonder how the apostles and the 0:30:43.090 --> 0:30:46.900 early church leaders thought about Jews. And we don't need 0:30:46.900 --> 0:30:51.370 to speculate. We can go right to Romans and Romans nine, 0:30:51.370 --> 0:30:54.489 verses three and four. Paul says, I could wish that 0:30:54.490 --> 0:30:57.370 I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for 0:30:57.370 --> 0:31:00.280 the sake of my brothers, those of my own race, 0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:03.610 the people of Israel. And then he begins chapter 11. 0:31:03.610 --> 0:31:07.420 He's asking questions. Did God reject his own people? And 0:31:07.420 --> 0:31:13.300 his answer is by no means so clearly, Paul, the 0:31:13.300 --> 0:31:16.690 early church. The book of acts. They're not anti-Jewish. They're 0:31:16.690 --> 0:31:20.410 not anti-Semitic. So the question is, what happened. A key 0:31:20.410 --> 0:31:23.080 turning point was the rise of the allegorical method of 0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:27.190 interpreting Scripture, which happened during the time of origin. He 0:31:27.190 --> 0:31:31.360 was a Christian theologian in the second century. This allegorical 0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:34.120 reading of scripture was adopted by Jerome. You might recognize 0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:37.270 that name and by Augustine, and it became prominent well 0:31:37.270 --> 0:31:41.050 up into the Reformation era. Why does that matter? It 0:31:41.050 --> 0:31:46.120 matters because in the allegorical interpretation, all the kingdom promises 0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:50.170 made to Israel in the Old Testament were transferred to 0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:53.830 the church. And then once the church, or at least 0:31:53.830 --> 0:31:57.400 some people in church, were thinking of themselves as a 0:31:57.400 --> 0:31:59.800 replacement for Israel as the people of God, it opened 0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:03.130 the door for the church to meld together with the 0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:07.930 anti-Semitism of the secular Roman Empire, which was evident following 0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:09.880 the Jewish revolt in the first century and then in 0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:13.090 the second century. So that's that's kind of a quick 0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:14.800 history of how this happened. 0:32:14.830 --> 0:32:17.230 From Moody Radio. This is the land and the book. 0:32:17.230 --> 0:32:20.320 I'm John Gager with our Bible answer man, Doctor Gerald 0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:23.890 Peterman of Moody Bible Institute faculty. We're glad to have 0:32:23.890 --> 0:32:26.530 you on board with us. Since we've already brought Peter 0:32:26.530 --> 0:32:29.290 into the conversation. Let's continue with this question from Betty. 0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:32.260 She says in acts two, when the Holy Spirit came 0:32:32.260 --> 0:32:35.800 and enabled the apostles to speak in other languages, thus 0:32:35.800 --> 0:32:39.670 spreading the gospel message, did the apostles change the language 0:32:39.670 --> 0:32:42.250 as they spoke to different peoples, or did some speak 0:32:42.250 --> 0:32:46.150 in one dialect and others in another? And when Peter spoke, 0:32:46.150 --> 0:32:49.180 did the Holy Spirit act as a universal translator, so 0:32:49.180 --> 0:32:52.060 that Peter spoke in one language? But the people gathered, 0:32:52.060 --> 0:32:54.520 each heard in their own language? Well, I. 0:32:54.520 --> 0:32:57.580 Really appreciate that question. We go to acts two four 0:32:57.610 --> 0:33:00.310 and here's what we're told. And they were all filled 0:33:00.310 --> 0:33:02.530 with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other 0:33:02.530 --> 0:33:06.760 tongues as the spirit gave them utterance. Now this word 0:33:06.790 --> 0:33:09.550 tongue is a typical word in the New Testament for 0:33:09.580 --> 0:33:14.800 a language or a dialect. Revelation five nine. Revelation seven nine. 0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:18.970 So the spirit gave this supernatural ability to speak in 0:33:18.970 --> 0:33:23.200 other languages, namely the languages of the people who had 0:33:23.200 --> 0:33:26.350 all gathered together for the festival in Jerusalem, its people 0:33:26.350 --> 0:33:30.070 from all over Parthians and Medes and Elamites, and residents 0:33:30.070 --> 0:33:34.420 of Mesopotamia. It's a stunning work of God. So I 0:33:34.420 --> 0:33:38.530 take it that the spirit enables the people in the 0:33:38.530 --> 0:33:41.890 church to speak the languages they don't know. So the 0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:46.630 gospel is spread. It's a spirit given utterance. But I 0:33:46.630 --> 0:33:49.990 take it later when Peter preached his first sermon, acts two, 0:33:50.020 --> 0:33:54.490 verses 14 to 36, he preaches a language he knew, 0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:58.270 probably Aramaic, although it might have been Greek, and gave 0:33:58.270 --> 0:34:03.310 that first gospel message and 3000 people came forward. Stunning stuff. 0:34:03.340 --> 0:34:03.730 Yeah. 0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:04.690 For sure. 0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:08.380 All right, let's head to Thessalonians. Todd asks if the 0:34:08.380 --> 0:34:12.010 church's removal is the next event on the prophetic calendar. 0:34:12.010 --> 0:34:15.609 Why did Paul not tell the Thessalonians the fact that 0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:18.580 they were still here to hear his letter was proof 0:34:18.580 --> 0:34:20.529 that the day of the Lord had not come. Instead, 0:34:20.530 --> 0:34:23.680 he says, the proof was that the man of lawlessness 0:34:23.680 --> 0:34:27.040 had not appeared in Second Thessalonians chapter three. Wouldn't the 0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:29.859 fact that the Thessalonians were still there have been the 0:34:29.860 --> 0:34:30.850 greatest evidence? 0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:34.120 Well, thanks, Tony, I appreciate that question. Basically, I think 0:34:34.120 --> 0:34:37.000 what Paul did was he answered the way he did 0:34:37.030 --> 0:34:41.560 because the question the church asked didn't focus specifically on 0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:45.100 rapture or why they were still there. Paul went back 0:34:45.100 --> 0:34:47.950 to a teaching he had given them previously in First 0:34:47.950 --> 0:34:52.120 Thessalonians chapter four. But apparently the believers in Thessalonica had 0:34:52.150 --> 0:34:55.870 either received a fake letter supposedly written by Paul, or 0:34:55.870 --> 0:34:58.330 a verbal report from someone who claimed to have heard 0:34:58.330 --> 0:35:02.830 from Paul. Because we come to Second Thessalonians chapter two, 0:35:02.860 --> 0:35:06.009 we find this concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus 0:35:06.010 --> 0:35:08.680 and our being gathered to him. We ask you, brothers, 0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:12.100 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy 0:35:12.100 --> 0:35:15.629 or report or letter supposed to have come from us 0:35:15.630 --> 0:35:18.450 saying that the day of the Lord had already come. Now, 0:35:18.450 --> 0:35:21.719 I suspect that the persecution they were experiencing added to 0:35:21.750 --> 0:35:26.970 their emotional distress, making this fake news even more plausible 0:35:26.969 --> 0:35:30.870 to them. The fact that they were still there, experiencing 0:35:30.900 --> 0:35:34.800 terrible persecution, was what was causing them to doubt the 0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:37.500 order of events that Paul had previously taught. So he 0:35:37.500 --> 0:35:40.680 takes them back to what he previously taught. He chose 0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:44.460 one piece of teaching that could help them be confident 0:35:44.460 --> 0:35:46.799 that they were not in the day of the Lord, 0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:48.690 and that fact was the reality that the day of 0:35:48.690 --> 0:35:51.780 the Lord would not come until the rebellion came first 0:35:51.780 --> 0:35:55.440 and the man of lawlessness was revealed, the man doomed 0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:58.830 to destruction. It was clear that that man had not 0:35:58.830 --> 0:36:01.529 showed up yet. So because that was the fact that 0:36:01.530 --> 0:36:04.410 he had previously told them, he reminds them of it 0:36:04.410 --> 0:36:06.899 so they can be confident that the day had not 0:36:06.900 --> 0:36:07.740 yet come. 0:36:07.770 --> 0:36:09.900 And that's a look at some of the Bible questions 0:36:09.900 --> 0:36:12.930 that have come our way. And if you didn't hear yours, well, 0:36:12.930 --> 0:36:15.480 it's either in the queue or you didn't ask it. 0:36:15.510 --> 0:36:18.000 All right, now the fun part is on us. The 0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:19.710 other is on you. If you didn't ask it, you 0:36:19.710 --> 0:36:22.320 still can. Why not send an email to Doctor Gerald 0:36:22.320 --> 0:36:28.410 Peterman in care of the land and the book@moody.edu. The 0:36:28.410 --> 0:36:31.590 land and the book at Moody dot. Edu. How long 0:36:31.590 --> 0:36:33.630 does it take to get an answer? Typically from you. 0:36:33.660 --> 0:36:35.310 Anywhere from 2 to 3 days. 0:36:35.340 --> 0:36:37.110 Okay, so it's not horrible. You're not waiting a week. 0:36:37.110 --> 0:36:39.540 Two weeks. No. Thanks for your good work on that. 0:36:39.540 --> 0:36:41.760 Thank you for being a part of the land and 0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:44.580 the book. We're up next. We're opening up our Bibles. 0:36:44.580 --> 0:36:46.740 We're going to somewhere in the Holy Land. We're going 0:36:46.739 --> 0:36:49.440 to somewhere in Scripture. Charlie Dyer will weld them together. 0:36:49.440 --> 0:37:05.520 You'll never forget it in his devotional. Next. His name 0:37:05.520 --> 0:37:08.790 was Uzziah. And believe it or not, an inscription that 0:37:08.790 --> 0:37:11.730 has everything to do with his life and death. Well, Charlie, 0:37:11.730 --> 0:37:14.580 that's the subject of your devotional coming up. Is that right? 0:37:14.610 --> 0:37:17.609 That's exactly right, John. And we're headed for Second Chronicles, 0:37:17.610 --> 0:37:20.640 chapter 26. Welcome back to this final segment of The 0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:23.220 land and the book. By the way, before we head 0:37:23.219 --> 0:37:26.070 to Charlie's devotional, let's pause for a thought from somebody 0:37:26.070 --> 0:37:28.530 who's traveled to the Holy Land and has this reflection 0:37:28.530 --> 0:37:29.490 for you and me. 0:37:33.630 --> 0:37:38.219 The highlight for me was today at Mount Nebo. Whenever 0:37:38.219 --> 0:37:41.850 we've been to a site, a biblical site that is 0:37:41.850 --> 0:37:46.500 for certain site and not are we really think it's 0:37:46.500 --> 0:37:54.690 been overwhelming. And to stand there and visualize Moses looking 0:37:54.690 --> 0:37:58.739 over the promised land where God in his grace let 0:37:58.739 --> 0:38:03.360 him see it. But even for a godly man like that, 0:38:03.390 --> 0:38:09.960 disobedience had consequences. It was a tremendous learning experience and reminder. 0:38:09.960 --> 0:38:15.450 Very sobering reminder. And then our moody faculty teacher in 0:38:15.450 --> 0:38:19.800 reading the Scripture, said something I had never thought about, 0:38:19.800 --> 0:38:23.670 and that was that. On the Mount of Transfiguration, God 0:38:23.670 --> 0:38:28.530 showed his grace to Moses by letting him stand in 0:38:28.530 --> 0:38:31.049 the Promised Land. I had never thought of that in 0:38:31.050 --> 0:38:31.860 my life. 0:38:31.890 --> 0:38:35.969 What was important to me was time on Mount Arbel 0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:39.419 to be able to look over all of the land 0:38:39.420 --> 0:38:45.030 where Jesus walked and preached, and for me, it was 0:38:45.030 --> 0:38:51.270 a real time of spiritual rejuvenation recommitment, and it was 0:38:51.270 --> 0:38:54.960 extremely emotional and moving to be able to have that 0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:55.890 time there. 0:38:57.660 --> 0:39:00.029 All right, Charlie, you've got a continuing devotional series here. 0:39:00.030 --> 0:39:01.200 What's our theme again? 0:39:01.230 --> 0:39:01.620 Well, it's. 0:39:01.650 --> 0:39:04.650 Actually going to focus on 11 inscriptions that connect us 0:39:04.650 --> 0:39:07.200 with the Word of God. And and in this series, 0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:10.620 we're examining this inscription uncovered by archaeologists. That will give 0:39:10.620 --> 0:39:14.370 us additional insight into our understanding of God's Word and 0:39:14.370 --> 0:39:17.190 today's journey. Well, it might seem just a bit ghoulish 0:39:17.190 --> 0:39:20.910 because we're heading to a tomb. Well, not actually a tomb, 0:39:20.910 --> 0:39:23.400 but to an inscription that was once affixed to the 0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:26.310 entrance of a tomb. The stone plaque is rather small. 0:39:26.310 --> 0:39:28.859 It's about a foot square, and it's now in the 0:39:28.860 --> 0:39:31.680 Israel Museum. But it was discovered by an archaeologist in 0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:35.940 1931 at the Russian Orthodox Church on the Mount of Olives. 0:39:35.940 --> 0:39:38.670 The plaque, written in a Hebrew script that was in 0:39:38.670 --> 0:39:41.640 use about the time of Jesus, says rather simply and 0:39:41.640 --> 0:39:45.150 yet directly to this place were brought the bones of Uzziah, 0:39:45.180 --> 0:39:49.050 king of Judah, not to be opened the bones of 0:39:49.050 --> 0:39:52.710 King Uzziah buried somewhere on the Mount of Olives, but 0:39:52.710 --> 0:39:56.009 with a plaque dating to the time of Jesus. That's 0:39:56.010 --> 0:39:59.219 a mystery worthy of the legendary Sherlock Holmes. And to 0:39:59.250 --> 0:40:02.580 solve it, we need to visit Jerusalem during the reign 0:40:02.610 --> 0:40:05.640 of this amazing monarch. So join me on a journey 0:40:05.640 --> 0:40:09.240 to discover the triumphs and tragedies of one of Judah's 0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:12.690 longest reigning monarchs. The story of Uzziah is found in 0:40:12.690 --> 0:40:15.989 the Books of Kings and Chronicles, but relatively few know 0:40:15.989 --> 0:40:18.720 any of the details concerning his life. Here's what the 0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:22.080 Book of Second Chronicles tells us about him. Uzziah was 0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:24.870 16 years old when he became king, and he reigned 0:40:24.870 --> 0:40:28.919 52 years in Jerusalem. The only king who ruled for 0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:32.820 a longer period of time was Manasseh. But more significant 0:40:32.820 --> 0:40:35.790 than the length of his reign was the spiritual quality 0:40:35.790 --> 0:40:39.240 of it. The writer of Chronicles summarized it this way, 0:40:39.480 --> 0:40:42.029 and he did right in the sight of the Lord. 0:40:42.210 --> 0:40:46.440 He was one of the good kings militarily. Uzziah strengthened 0:40:46.469 --> 0:40:49.410 the kingdom. He prevailed over the Philistines on the west, 0:40:49.410 --> 0:40:52.680 and the ammonites, Mennonites and Arabian kingdoms to the east. 0:40:52.710 --> 0:40:56.790 His reign saw an emphasis on national defense. He fortified 0:40:56.790 --> 0:41:00.060 the walls of Jerusalem, and he built defensive structures in 0:41:00.060 --> 0:41:02.640 the wilderness. In fact, the Bible goes out of its 0:41:02.670 --> 0:41:07.000 way to focus on all his military preparations. Patients. Much 0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:10.540 like modern Israel, Uzziah developed a trained army that could 0:41:10.540 --> 0:41:13.210 be called up for battle at a moment's notice, and 0:41:13.210 --> 0:41:16.240 he also focused on making sure his defenses included the 0:41:16.239 --> 0:41:20.470 most advanced weapons of the day. Moreover, Uzziah prepared for 0:41:20.469 --> 0:41:24.940 all the army shields, spears, helmets, body armor, bows, and 0:41:24.940 --> 0:41:28.510 sling stones, and in Jerusalem he made engines of war, 0:41:28.510 --> 0:41:31.210 invented by skilled men, to be on the towers and 0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:33.850 on the corners for the purpose of shooting arrows and 0:41:33.850 --> 0:41:38.560 great stones. But Uzziah focused on more than just the military. 0:41:38.590 --> 0:41:41.200 The writer of Second Chronicles goes on to say he 0:41:41.230 --> 0:41:44.440 hewed many cisterns, for he had much livestock, both in 0:41:44.440 --> 0:41:47.320 the lowland and in the plain. He also had plowmen 0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:50.140 and vine dressers in the hill country and the fertile fields, 0:41:50.140 --> 0:41:53.259 for he loved the soil. In an age when water 0:41:53.260 --> 0:41:56.680 and food weren't things taken for granted, Uzziah worked to 0:41:56.680 --> 0:42:00.460 ensure a steady supply of both for his people. King 0:42:00.460 --> 0:42:05.259 Uzziah was militarily and economically strong. He was smart, talented 0:42:05.260 --> 0:42:10.050 and godly. And then he made one incredibly stupid decision. 0:42:10.050 --> 0:42:13.140 He started to believe all the accolades and praise being 0:42:13.140 --> 0:42:16.710 heaped on him by the people. I really am amazing. 0:42:16.710 --> 0:42:20.700 In fact, I'm indispensable. God needs me and it's time 0:42:20.700 --> 0:42:23.670 I approached him on a more equal basis. Other kings 0:42:23.670 --> 0:42:26.790 get to lead worship in their nations, why can't I? 0:42:26.820 --> 0:42:28.589 I have a right to go to the temple and 0:42:28.620 --> 0:42:30.989 offer incense to God. And that's just what I'm going 0:42:31.020 --> 0:42:34.920 to do. Uzziah went to the temple to burn incense 0:42:34.920 --> 0:42:37.950 on the altar. The high priest, along with 80 other 0:42:37.950 --> 0:42:41.669 courageous priests, tried to block his way. It is not 0:42:41.670 --> 0:42:44.340 for you, Uzziah, to burn incense to the Lord, but 0:42:44.340 --> 0:42:47.730 for the priests, the sons of Aaron. Were it not 0:42:47.730 --> 0:42:51.630 so tragic? This scene would almost be comical. Picture it. 0:42:51.630 --> 0:42:54.120 The doorway to the holy place of the temple is 0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:57.779 open and standing at the threshold as King Uzziah censer 0:42:57.810 --> 0:43:01.560 in hand, ready to offer the burning incense. Behind him 0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:05.149 on the steps are the palace guard, his royal secret service, 0:43:05.150 --> 0:43:08.210 while inside the temple is the High priest, and filling 0:43:08.210 --> 0:43:11.719 the space behind him are 80 other priests, all trying 0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:15.530 to block his path. The Bible says Uzziah became enraged 0:43:15.530 --> 0:43:17.840 at the priests. Who do you think you are? Don't 0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:20.390 you know I'm the king? I can do whatever I want. 0:43:20.420 --> 0:43:23.780 The priest took their lives in their hands to oppose Uzziah, 0:43:23.780 --> 0:43:26.660 and I suppose it really was a frightening moment for them. 0:43:26.660 --> 0:43:30.110 But they needn't have worried, because God was about to 0:43:30.140 --> 0:43:33.110 step out from behind the curtain to resolve the issue. 0:43:33.110 --> 0:43:35.960 And he did it in a most dramatic way. As 0:43:35.960 --> 0:43:40.339 Uzziah screamed at the priests, leprosy broke out on his forehead. 0:43:40.370 --> 0:43:43.490 Leprosy was seen as a sign of God's displeasure. And 0:43:43.489 --> 0:43:46.939 just like God did to Moses's sister Miriam. So now 0:43:46.940 --> 0:43:50.600 he extended his hand of judgment against King Uzziah. The 0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:52.850 king was forced to flee from the temple, and the 0:43:52.850 --> 0:43:57.230 Bible records the sad conclusion to an otherwise amazing life. 0:43:57.260 --> 0:43:59.810 And King Uzziah was a leper to the day of 0:43:59.810 --> 0:44:02.660 his death, and he lived in a separate house, being 0:44:02.660 --> 0:44:04.610 a leper, for he was cut off from the house 0:44:04.610 --> 0:44:07.430 of the Lord. So Uzziah slept with his fathers, and 0:44:07.430 --> 0:44:09.350 they buried him with his fathers in the field of 0:44:09.350 --> 0:44:12.440 the grave which belongs to the kings. For they said, 0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:16.400 he is a leper. Uzziah went from triumph to tragedy. 0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:19.549 In one dramatic moment, the king, who thought so highly 0:44:19.550 --> 0:44:22.340 of himself that he could barge into God's house and 0:44:22.340 --> 0:44:25.460 presume on God, ended up being barred from his own 0:44:25.460 --> 0:44:28.549 royal palace, and when he died, they buried him in 0:44:28.550 --> 0:44:31.430 the field where the royal tomb was located, but not 0:44:31.430 --> 0:44:34.190 in the tomb itself. And the last word spoken about 0:44:34.190 --> 0:44:37.969 him in Second Chronicles 36 tells us why he is 0:44:37.969 --> 0:44:41.150 a leper. Fast forward to the time of Jesus. New 0:44:41.150 --> 0:44:44.480 construction is taking place in Jerusalem, and during the construction 0:44:44.510 --> 0:44:47.960 a tomb is uncovered, the separate tomb hewn for leprous 0:44:47.989 --> 0:44:51.260 King Uzziah. The bones need to be moved. The grave 0:44:51.260 --> 0:44:55.490 relocated outside the expanding city. The likely location is on 0:44:55.489 --> 0:44:57.739 the Mount of Olives and the grave is about to 0:44:57.739 --> 0:45:01.040 be sealed up. A small plaque is placed at the entrance, 0:45:01.070 --> 0:45:04.730 a plaque that reminds visitors about the tomb's occupant. To 0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:08.510 this place were brought the bones of Uzziah, king of Judah. 0:45:08.540 --> 0:45:11.899 Not to be opened. So what lesson can we learn 0:45:11.900 --> 0:45:15.799 from this small limestone plaque? And the king it commemorates? 0:45:15.830 --> 0:45:21.860 Perhaps it's this many start well, but far fewer finish well. 0:45:21.890 --> 0:45:25.010 However far along you are in your walk with Christ, 0:45:25.040 --> 0:45:28.489 don't ever let yourself reach a point where you forget 0:45:28.489 --> 0:45:32.000 that he is indispensable to you, and start thinking that 0:45:32.000 --> 0:45:35.930 you are indispensable to him. It only takes one foolish 0:45:35.930 --> 0:45:39.350 mistake to ruin a life. That's the real message of 0:45:39.350 --> 0:45:42.260 the inscription on Uzziah's tomb. And it ought to be 0:45:42.260 --> 0:45:45.860 a flashing warning light to all of us. Now, if 0:45:45.890 --> 0:45:48.080 you'd like to see a photo I took of this plaque, 0:45:48.080 --> 0:45:50.750 which is now in the Israel Museum, be sure to 0:45:50.780 --> 0:45:53.210 head over to our land in the book Facebook page 0:45:53.210 --> 0:45:55.010 where I'll be posting that photo. 0:45:55.040 --> 0:45:58.040 Thank you Charlie. And maybe as you listen to this 0:45:58.040 --> 0:46:03.290 whole conversation, this arrogant king you're saying to yourself, quite frankly, 0:46:03.290 --> 0:46:06.020 I've been calling the shots in my life. I've been 0:46:06.020 --> 0:46:09.529 the king and it hasn't been God himself. And maybe 0:46:09.530 --> 0:46:11.630 you've come to the place where you realize you need 0:46:11.630 --> 0:46:14.870 the Lord in your life. You. You need a Savior. Well, 0:46:14.900 --> 0:46:18.020 today is your day to take action on that. Charlie, 0:46:18.020 --> 0:46:20.450 we've we've got a volunteer at a phone number. We're 0:46:20.450 --> 0:46:24.049 going to give out. It's called eight, eight, eight. Need him? Eight. Eight. 0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:26.930 Eight need him. And listeners can call there. And right now, 0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:29.960 talk to a real volunteer who knows Jesus and who 0:46:29.960 --> 0:46:32.420 can help them know Jesus. Seems to me this is 0:46:32.420 --> 0:46:34.219 something we ought to take care of today, right? 0:46:34.250 --> 0:46:36.710 Oh, I agree completely. And there's no pressure on the individual. 0:46:36.710 --> 0:46:39.890 But if you want to find solid answers to life's questions, 0:46:39.890 --> 0:46:41.240 that's where you need to go right now. 0:46:41.270 --> 0:46:45.470 Again, that toll free number is 888. Need him. Always 0:46:45.469 --> 0:46:48.319 great to visit with our host, Charlie Dyer. I'm John Gager, 0:46:48.320 --> 0:46:50.899 thanking you for listening to the Land and the book, 0:46:50.930 --> 0:46:55.040 a production of Moody Radio, a ministry of Moody Bible Institute.