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Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall. 45 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,760 S1: Thank you so much for joining us. You know, one 46 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,440 S1: of the privileges, and I counted as such to be 47 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,079 S1: located here in the nation's capital is as a follower 48 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,760 S1: of Christ to bring to your attention issues, I think, 49 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,000 S1: that are of importance to us as followers of Jesus Christ. 50 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:27,480 S1: Our directive scripturally, is to go and tell. And one 51 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,200 S1: of the blessings that we enjoy in this country, one 52 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,880 S1: of those inalienable rights, which means they were given to 53 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,440 S1: us by God, not by government. It's government's job to 54 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,320 S1: protect those rights. Is this idea of free speech? Why 55 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,359 S1: is free speech so important? Not so that I can 56 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,240 S1: make some obscene piece of art, or set an American 57 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,880 S1: flag on fire? I get it, those are the troublesome cases. 58 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,240 S1: But free speech means you and I can tell somebody 59 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,800 S1: over the airwaves, over the print, on the street corner, 60 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,399 S1: over our backyard fence. Hey, Jesus loves you. And he's 61 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,840 S1: the way, the truth and the life. And no man 62 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,600 S1: comes to the father, but through Jesus, we don't have 63 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,480 S1: to give equal time, equal footing, because we have so 64 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,440 S1: many multiple gazillion media outlets. Now, if you don't like it, 65 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,520 S1: change the channel. There is no fairness doctrine anymore. And 66 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,359 S1: we're very, very blessed because of all of the avalanche 67 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,960 S1: of technology that we've got. But there is mission creep happening. 68 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,200 S1: It is enshrined in that First Amendment. The founders knew 69 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,080 S1: exactly what they were doing under the divine hand of Providence, 70 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,880 S1: if I may use their words to put together in 71 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,040 S1: that assemblage of the First Amendment, those precious rights that 72 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:32,559 S1: were so crucial to keeping and protecting a republic, a democracy. 73 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,880 S1: And one of them was, of course, the freedom of 74 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:39,000 S1: speech and also the freedom to assemble, the freedom to worship. 75 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,480 S1: That government wasn't going to establish a religion by any 76 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,000 S1: stretch of the imagination. You were left to the rights 77 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,279 S1: of your own conscience to make that kind of decision. 78 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,280 S1: So we as believers don't engage in the protection of 79 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,640 S1: the First Amendment for political reasons. Let others do that. 80 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,600 S1: We engage in the protection of the First Amendment to 81 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:59,120 S1: protect our right in this country, to proclaim without blush, embarrassment, hesitation, 82 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:03,680 S1: or government intrusion the full counsel of God. We talk 83 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,800 S1: regularly on this program with representatives from countries all around 84 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,400 S1: the globe where that precious liberty is not present, and 85 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,240 S1: as a result, their floating Bibles over the North Korean 86 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,919 S1: South Korean Division line the DMZ, and they're sending Bibles 87 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,200 S1: over with helium balloons so that people can get it 88 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,120 S1: in North Korea. You can't set up a Christian radio station, 89 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,360 S1: and most of the countries that are Islamic dominated. You 90 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,839 S1: can't have a church, you can't preach the gospel and 91 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,800 S1: now go to countries like our neighbors just on the 92 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,800 S1: other side of the pond. When we start looking at 93 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,600 S1: what's happening in the UK, it's a severe threat. And 94 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,159 S1: so Congress picked up on that. And in September of 95 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,920 S1: last year, they had their first hearing on what they 96 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:45,200 S1: recognized as the European threat to American speech and innovation. 97 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,279 S1: So they held a hearing in September. They brought in 98 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,159 S1: four witnesses, and they wanted to examine European threats to 99 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,349 S1: American free speech and innovation and innovation. So they specifically 100 00:04:54,350 --> 00:04:58,030 S1: looked at the UK Online Safety Act is called the OSA. 101 00:04:58,070 --> 00:04:59,670 S1: By the way, I'm going to give a lot of initials. 102 00:04:59,670 --> 00:05:02,110 S1: That's what we talk here in DC and the European 103 00:05:02,110 --> 00:05:05,310 S1: Union's Digital Services Act. This is a biggie. The DSA 104 00:05:05,589 --> 00:05:08,230 S1: and how all of those are threatening Americans right to 105 00:05:08,270 --> 00:05:11,350 S1: free speech online. Now it's an over there problem you think. 106 00:05:11,350 --> 00:05:13,670 S1: But you would be mistaken. It is very much of 107 00:05:13,670 --> 00:05:16,990 S1: a problem that's here right now. So what they decided 108 00:05:16,990 --> 00:05:19,550 S1: to do in the beginning of this month was to 109 00:05:19,550 --> 00:05:22,910 S1: have another hearing. This time the hearing was called Europe's 110 00:05:22,910 --> 00:05:27,110 S1: Threat to American Free Speech and Innovation, Part two. And 111 00:05:27,110 --> 00:05:29,950 S1: during the course of this, the purpose was to highlight 112 00:05:29,950 --> 00:05:33,630 S1: the threats to free speech. They brought in four witnesses 113 00:05:33,630 --> 00:05:37,630 S1: Graham Linehan, who is a journalist, but he's also a comedian, 114 00:05:37,670 --> 00:05:40,830 S1: a comedian who's a writer and a director, Lorcan Price, 115 00:05:40,830 --> 00:05:45,390 S1: he's a barrister, part of the Alliance Defending Freedom International branch. 116 00:05:45,430 --> 00:05:48,190 S1: Doctor Ronson will talk more about her. A member of 117 00:05:48,190 --> 00:05:50,550 S1: the Finnish parliament. Oh, what she's been through. And then 118 00:05:50,550 --> 00:05:53,110 S1: they brought in the executive director of the American Civil 119 00:05:53,110 --> 00:05:56,390 S1: Liberties Union of Minnesota. To kind of set the stage, 120 00:05:56,390 --> 00:05:59,109 S1: I want you to hear from Larkin Price, again, barrister, 121 00:05:59,110 --> 00:06:02,830 S1: legal counsel with Alliance Defending Freedom International. He had this 122 00:06:02,830 --> 00:06:03,310 S1: to say. 123 00:06:04,150 --> 00:06:07,870 S5: I'm delighted to share the panel today with fellow Irishmen, 124 00:06:08,070 --> 00:06:10,750 S5: Graham Lennon. I'm not a comedy writer, so I won't 125 00:06:10,750 --> 00:06:13,190 S5: make a joke about two Irishmen who walk into Congress. 126 00:06:13,230 --> 00:06:15,270 S5: Of course, I might be arrested on returning to London, 127 00:06:15,430 --> 00:06:18,310 S5: as you experienced, Graham. I'm also delighted to share it 128 00:06:18,310 --> 00:06:21,990 S5: with our client, who will speak in due course about 129 00:06:22,150 --> 00:06:25,750 S5: her ordeal in Finland on the last occasion that we spoke. 130 00:06:25,790 --> 00:06:27,990 S5: Ladies and gentlemen, on this subject, we had a discussion 131 00:06:27,990 --> 00:06:32,070 S5: on the censorship potential of the EU's Digital Services Act. 132 00:06:32,070 --> 00:06:34,910 S5: And at that point we were speaking in the theoretical. 133 00:06:34,950 --> 00:06:37,469 S5: It may cause censorship, it has the potential to affect 134 00:06:37,470 --> 00:06:40,550 S5: Americans and so on. And many were not convinced. However, 135 00:06:40,550 --> 00:06:44,190 S5: now it's unmistakable that it has indeed caused the censorship 136 00:06:44,190 --> 00:06:47,990 S5: that we warned of. We have moved from theory to practice. 137 00:06:47,990 --> 00:06:50,950 S5: There can be no doubt that the European Digital Services 138 00:06:51,110 --> 00:06:54,990 S5: Act is the tip of a massive censorship industrial complex. 139 00:06:55,630 --> 00:06:58,750 S5: The enormous fines levied on X Corporation by the European 140 00:06:58,750 --> 00:07:01,670 S5: Commission since the last hearing has proved beyond all doubt 141 00:07:01,670 --> 00:07:04,469 S5: that the European Union means to strangle free speech by 142 00:07:04,470 --> 00:07:08,350 S5: a systemic assault on US companies. The EU has a 143 00:07:08,390 --> 00:07:12,430 S5: multi-pronged strategy to open multiple investigations, to add more and 144 00:07:12,430 --> 00:07:16,670 S5: more regulations and to impose crippling fines, and ultimately, I fear, 145 00:07:16,670 --> 00:07:19,430 S5: to attempt to break up or ban companies such as 146 00:07:19,430 --> 00:07:22,550 S5: X who are pro free speech. But it goes deeper. 147 00:07:22,910 --> 00:07:26,030 S5: This censorship campaign is not just aimed at destroying free 148 00:07:26,030 --> 00:07:30,630 S5: speech in Europe, it's about imposing European laws globally. Make 149 00:07:30,630 --> 00:07:34,950 S5: no mistake that Europeans draconian Europe's draconian speech laws are 150 00:07:34,950 --> 00:07:39,190 S5: being imposed on your citizens via global content moderation rules, 151 00:07:39,190 --> 00:07:42,830 S5: as indeed, this committee's investigation has so aptly pointed out, 152 00:07:43,470 --> 00:07:46,350 S5: the EU's obsession with eliminating free speech means they have 153 00:07:46,350 --> 00:07:51,310 S5: a global campaign to ensure that all speech online and 154 00:07:51,510 --> 00:07:55,630 S5: platforms that allow it are banning illegal content to prevent, quote, 155 00:07:55,670 --> 00:08:01,150 S5: systemic risk to the discourse. US companies are therefore transformed 156 00:08:01,150 --> 00:08:04,070 S5: into a global censorship police. They must engage in a 157 00:08:04,070 --> 00:08:09,470 S5: process of analyzing how platform design algorithms and content moderation 158 00:08:09,510 --> 00:08:14,550 S5: impacts public debate, misinformation and media pluralism. This is what 159 00:08:14,550 --> 00:08:17,110 S5: is being forced on American companies today. 160 00:08:18,190 --> 00:08:20,590 S1: So why are we having this conversation? By the way, Craig, 161 00:08:20,590 --> 00:08:22,710 S1: partial is with me because whenever we talk about a 162 00:08:22,710 --> 00:08:25,510 S1: biblical worldview and the Constitution, there's no better person to 163 00:08:25,510 --> 00:08:28,470 S1: talk about that than Craig. Partial thrilled he's with us. 164 00:08:28,470 --> 00:08:30,310 S1: But let me just kind of set the background that 165 00:08:30,310 --> 00:08:32,070 S1: I want to ask you a question. Craig and I 166 00:08:32,070 --> 00:08:34,309 S1: have a ton of audio. You can't be here. I 167 00:08:34,309 --> 00:08:38,470 S1: brought it to you. And this was a woefully underreported event. 168 00:08:38,470 --> 00:08:40,870 S1: And so much of the gospel was the core of 169 00:08:40,870 --> 00:08:42,390 S1: the hearing on the Hill, which is why I'm sharing 170 00:08:42,390 --> 00:08:44,550 S1: it with you. So if you're like most Americans, your 171 00:08:44,550 --> 00:08:46,950 S1: idea of global censorship is that it's bad, but it 172 00:08:46,950 --> 00:08:49,310 S1: doesn't feel like it's a real threat. The fact is 173 00:08:49,510 --> 00:08:54,870 S1: that 30 British subjects are arrested, arrested every day for, quote, 174 00:08:54,910 --> 00:08:59,070 S1: speech crime. Sounds dire, but distance. That's over there. But 175 00:08:59,070 --> 00:09:02,350 S1: it's going to come here. The ongoing crusade to arrest 176 00:09:02,350 --> 00:09:05,910 S1: and prosecute UK grandmothers and clergy members for tweets and 177 00:09:05,910 --> 00:09:10,309 S1: peaceful and peaceful protests is infuriating, but it's also far 178 00:09:10,309 --> 00:09:13,550 S1: from our shores, one would think this hearing points out 179 00:09:13,550 --> 00:09:16,590 S1: the fact that it's not far at all. It's already here. 180 00:09:16,590 --> 00:09:39,870 S1: We'll give you more right after this. Are you constantly 181 00:09:39,870 --> 00:09:42,110 S1: feeling like God is disappointed in you, or do you 182 00:09:42,110 --> 00:09:44,710 S1: feel like he's too busy for your problems? Well, that's 183 00:09:44,710 --> 00:09:47,550 S1: why I've chosen secure how to have a healthy attachment 184 00:09:47,550 --> 00:09:50,590 S1: to God. As this month's truth tool, learn to grasp 185 00:09:50,590 --> 00:09:52,950 S1: the depth of God's love for you. Ask for your 186 00:09:52,950 --> 00:09:54,870 S1: copy of secure. When you give a gift of any 187 00:09:54,870 --> 00:10:00,270 S1: amount to in the market, call 87758. That's 877858 or 188 00:10:00,309 --> 00:10:01,990 S1: go to in the market with Janet Parshall. 189 00:10:07,510 --> 00:10:11,270 S5: If they don't comply, then they face possibly endless investigations 190 00:10:11,270 --> 00:10:15,470 S5: and crippling fines. There are multiple ongoing investigations into X, 191 00:10:15,510 --> 00:10:20,190 S5: including for not allowing illegal content in Europe. Illegal content 192 00:10:20,190 --> 00:10:23,310 S5: can mean calling a German politician an idiot or posting, 193 00:10:23,350 --> 00:10:26,230 S5: as we know, a Bible verse. So let's be clear 194 00:10:26,230 --> 00:10:29,750 S5: what's happening to X now is that free speech is 195 00:10:29,750 --> 00:10:32,270 S5: such a threat to the European elites that they will 196 00:10:32,309 --> 00:10:37,069 S5: either cripple X with fines and investigations, break up the company, 197 00:10:37,070 --> 00:10:38,990 S5: or force them to bend the knee at the altar 198 00:10:38,990 --> 00:10:42,390 S5: of censorship. I hope that they stand strong because we 199 00:10:42,390 --> 00:10:45,750 S5: need free speech in Europe now more than ever. I 200 00:10:45,750 --> 00:10:48,190 S5: want to commend this committee on its investigation, which shows 201 00:10:48,190 --> 00:10:51,830 S5: that US companies are already having to adopt EU standards 202 00:10:51,830 --> 00:10:54,630 S5: in relation to their content moderation policies. So it is 203 00:10:54,630 --> 00:10:59,190 S5: directly affecting to answer Congressman Raskin point. First amendment rights 204 00:10:59,190 --> 00:11:03,510 S5: of Americans today in practice. There are ongoing actions as 205 00:11:03,510 --> 00:11:06,750 S5: well under the Digital Markets Act and various other regulations. 206 00:11:07,030 --> 00:11:09,510 S5: And I think it's fair to say that it's become 207 00:11:09,510 --> 00:11:13,390 S5: a point where the European Union has fines of American 208 00:11:13,390 --> 00:11:16,550 S5: companies as a line item in their annual budget. Last year, three, 209 00:11:16,590 --> 00:11:21,230 S5: or roughly €3.8 billion, was levied in fines against US companies. 210 00:11:22,190 --> 00:11:24,230 S5: National countries are also trying to get into the act. 211 00:11:24,270 --> 00:11:27,710 S5: We saw that the French police raided Aix's offices in 212 00:11:27,710 --> 00:11:30,870 S5: Paris just this week, and the Spanish prime minister has 213 00:11:30,870 --> 00:11:35,030 S5: announced criminal liability against company owners for so-called hate speech. 214 00:11:35,710 --> 00:11:39,230 S5: I have submitted in my written testimony a excerpts of 215 00:11:39,230 --> 00:11:41,390 S5: the ridiculous hate speech laws that we have to suffer 216 00:11:41,390 --> 00:11:44,750 S5: under in Europe. Of course, hate speech has no real 217 00:11:44,750 --> 00:11:47,189 S5: meaning other than speech they hate. And what I would 218 00:11:47,190 --> 00:11:50,230 S5: say to our American friends is, you cannot allow the 219 00:11:50,230 --> 00:11:52,870 S5: EU's rules on hate speech to be imposed on the 220 00:11:52,870 --> 00:11:56,750 S5: entire digital world via the DSA. Americans know how this goes. 221 00:11:56,750 --> 00:11:59,470 S5: When this committee in the past has exposed censorship around 222 00:11:59,470 --> 00:12:04,750 S5: Covid tech, censorship, denudes and eliminates free speech online. The 223 00:12:04,750 --> 00:12:06,750 S5: threat is real and it is with us now. 224 00:12:08,070 --> 00:12:12,670 S1: That is attorney Larkin Price. He's with Alliance Defending Freedom International. 225 00:12:12,710 --> 00:12:14,429 S1: He's their legal counsel. And that was part of his 226 00:12:14,429 --> 00:12:17,630 S1: testimony on Capitol Hill. So we are sharing with you 227 00:12:17,630 --> 00:12:20,110 S1: a hearing that was held this month in front of 228 00:12:20,110 --> 00:12:23,110 S1: the U.S. House of Representatives Judiciary Committee, chaired by Jim 229 00:12:23,110 --> 00:12:25,990 S1: Jordan of Ohio. And he has made it clear that 230 00:12:25,990 --> 00:12:29,590 S1: this form of crushing online censorship isn't just headed to 231 00:12:29,590 --> 00:12:32,110 S1: the U.S. it's already here. How do we know that? 232 00:12:32,350 --> 00:12:36,550 S1: Because Chairman Jordan has released subpoenaed evidence that the EU 233 00:12:36,750 --> 00:12:41,870 S1: has been has been pressuring American big tech platforms like Google, meta, TikTok, 234 00:12:41,910 --> 00:12:45,790 S1: Twitter and LinkedIn to censor content including content they knew 235 00:12:45,790 --> 00:12:49,870 S1: to be factually true. Since 2015. Craig, your thoughts so far? 236 00:12:50,190 --> 00:12:54,310 S6: Yeah, this is a multi-pronged attack on free speech that's 237 00:12:54,309 --> 00:12:56,550 S6: coming out of Europe and the rest of the world 238 00:12:56,550 --> 00:12:59,270 S6: against the United States, whether we know it or not. 239 00:12:59,270 --> 00:13:02,150 S6: And this is just one prong. That is the Digital 240 00:13:02,150 --> 00:13:07,230 S6: Services Act. This is their attempt to regulate internet companies 241 00:13:07,230 --> 00:13:13,950 S6: and digital platforms like Meta or Facebook, Instagram, Google, Twitter. 242 00:13:13,990 --> 00:13:16,469 S6: That is now called X. But to show you how 243 00:13:16,510 --> 00:13:22,349 S6: outrageous their standard is substandard, I should say more accurately, 244 00:13:22,510 --> 00:13:27,150 S6: in viewing what free speech is or isn't, in contrast 245 00:13:27,190 --> 00:13:30,230 S6: to our First Amendment over here and our ideas, robust 246 00:13:30,230 --> 00:13:34,189 S6: ideas of free speech over there, they've passed the DSA, 247 00:13:34,470 --> 00:13:39,589 S6: which really requires that you, um, are forced to censor 248 00:13:39,830 --> 00:13:44,339 S6: any ideas, any opinions that they deem to be either 249 00:13:44,340 --> 00:13:48,979 S6: hate speech or harmful to certain groups or certain ideas. 250 00:13:49,500 --> 00:13:54,820 S6: As a perfect example, during the last presidential election cycle, uh, 251 00:13:55,820 --> 00:13:58,860 S6: Elon Musk, who now owns X, that used to be Twitter, 252 00:13:59,460 --> 00:14:02,179 S6: a big social media platform, was going to have a 253 00:14:02,179 --> 00:14:06,699 S6: live stream of one of the presidential candidates before the election. 254 00:14:07,260 --> 00:14:11,340 S6: He was sent a letter immediately before the broadcast from 255 00:14:11,340 --> 00:14:16,100 S6: the head of the digital regulatory agency in the EU, 256 00:14:16,340 --> 00:14:20,900 S6: warning him that he better watch, uh, what is said 257 00:14:20,940 --> 00:14:23,580 S6: on his platform and what is said in that interview 258 00:14:23,580 --> 00:14:26,860 S6: with the presidential candidate, because they will come after him 259 00:14:26,860 --> 00:14:30,060 S6: and he will be penalized, and he will. And frankly, 260 00:14:30,060 --> 00:14:31,860 S6: they will go after his platform as well to try 261 00:14:31,860 --> 00:14:35,060 S6: to shut it down. Uh, if they don't agree with 262 00:14:35,060 --> 00:14:39,620 S6: what's said in a live stream interview with a presidential 263 00:14:39,780 --> 00:14:43,940 S6: candidate in the United States. That's where this is going. 264 00:14:43,980 --> 00:14:47,700 S6: And that's how outrageous these particular acts are over in Europe. 265 00:14:47,700 --> 00:14:49,220 S1: So let me give you a sense of how this 266 00:14:49,220 --> 00:14:52,140 S1: went back and forth on Capitol Hill. I don't want 267 00:14:52,140 --> 00:14:54,380 S1: you here. This is a dialogue back and forth between 268 00:14:54,380 --> 00:14:58,900 S1: Congressman Harris from Maryland and Doctor Brosnan. Now, by the way, 269 00:14:58,900 --> 00:15:00,980 S1: you heard reference to the DSA before. I told you 270 00:15:00,980 --> 00:15:05,340 S1: that would be crucial. That's the European Union's censorship machine. 271 00:15:05,340 --> 00:15:08,460 S1: They call it the Digital Services Act. This is going 272 00:15:08,500 --> 00:15:11,140 S1: to the core of why they think they can superimpose 273 00:15:11,300 --> 00:15:15,860 S1: on American corporations their perspective on speech and why they 274 00:15:15,860 --> 00:15:20,500 S1: think under that DSA, they can censor American companies. Now, 275 00:15:20,620 --> 00:15:23,980 S1: Doctor Rosen is from Finland. She's a member of parliament, 276 00:15:23,980 --> 00:15:27,860 S1: and she has been hounded by the Finnish government for 277 00:15:27,860 --> 00:15:30,820 S1: seven years. This was such an important case that even 278 00:15:30,820 --> 00:15:33,140 S1: the Billy Graham Association just released a press release on 279 00:15:33,140 --> 00:15:35,740 S1: her testimony recently, and I'll share that with you during 280 00:15:35,740 --> 00:15:38,020 S1: the course of our conversation this hour. But listen to 281 00:15:38,060 --> 00:15:41,940 S1: how Congressman Harris asked the question to Doctor Rossman about 282 00:15:41,940 --> 00:15:45,180 S1: what she did online that was so bad, terrible, awful 283 00:15:45,180 --> 00:15:46,859 S1: in quotation marks. Have a listen. 284 00:15:47,020 --> 00:15:51,420 S7: Bible verse. Did you post that caused you to be 285 00:15:51,460 --> 00:15:53,300 S7: criminally prosecuted? 286 00:15:55,260 --> 00:15:58,740 S8: Thank you. It was from the book of Romans, first 287 00:15:58,780 --> 00:16:02,220 S8: chapter and verses 24 to 27. 288 00:16:02,660 --> 00:16:07,260 S7: Okay. And could you help me know why you chose 289 00:16:07,380 --> 00:16:09,540 S7: that particular passage to post? 290 00:16:10,940 --> 00:16:15,500 S8: The Apostle Paul teaches in these verses, uh, about the 291 00:16:15,500 --> 00:16:21,020 S8: marriage and about the same sex, uh, relationships. And he 292 00:16:21,060 --> 00:16:24,140 S8: defines them as sinful and shameful. 293 00:16:25,220 --> 00:16:28,700 S7: And what message were you trying to convey in that? 294 00:16:29,620 --> 00:16:37,900 S8: Uh, I wanted to make it clear that, uh. What 295 00:16:37,940 --> 00:16:43,859 S8: if the leadership of the church is supporting the pride event? 296 00:16:43,900 --> 00:16:48,980 S8: It is in contradiction with with its basis, the Bible. 297 00:16:50,180 --> 00:16:53,700 S7: Okay. And after you posted the Bible verse, if I 298 00:16:53,700 --> 00:16:58,820 S7: understand correctly, you were charged under Finland's war crimes and 299 00:16:58,820 --> 00:17:00,700 S7: crimes against humanity law. 300 00:17:01,140 --> 00:17:04,420 S8: Yes, we have in that section we have a law 301 00:17:04,420 --> 00:17:07,139 S8: about agitation against minorities. 302 00:17:07,660 --> 00:17:13,020 S7: Wow. As a pastor for 37 years now, myself, to 303 00:17:13,060 --> 00:17:16,820 S7: think of someone that can be criminally charged for posting 304 00:17:16,820 --> 00:17:20,900 S7: a Bible verse in the EU and NATO country worries 305 00:17:20,900 --> 00:17:25,859 S7: me deeply. And as you've already heard from this panel today, 306 00:17:25,980 --> 00:17:29,020 S7: God bless you. God bless you for coming here today 307 00:17:29,220 --> 00:17:32,100 S7: to share your story. And my prayer is that it 308 00:17:32,180 --> 00:17:35,220 S7: causes people to wake up to the threats that we 309 00:17:35,220 --> 00:17:38,660 S7: are facing from those who seek to undermine our God 310 00:17:38,700 --> 00:17:40,460 S7: given right to free expression. 311 00:17:41,740 --> 00:17:44,060 S1: So we're going to come back. We've got much more 312 00:17:44,060 --> 00:17:46,459 S1: from this. Again, I told you that what was in 313 00:17:46,460 --> 00:17:49,580 S1: the doc, ultimately, it isn't about cat pictures and where 314 00:17:49,580 --> 00:17:52,420 S1: you ate at the restaurant last night. In the crosshairs 315 00:17:52,420 --> 00:17:54,419 S1: is the gospel of Jesus Christ. That's why this is 316 00:17:54,420 --> 00:17:57,020 S1: an extremely important hearing. And we've got so much more 317 00:17:57,020 --> 00:18:13,699 S1: to share with you right after this. We're going to 318 00:18:13,700 --> 00:18:16,100 S1: continue with our sharing with you. The audio from a 319 00:18:16,100 --> 00:18:19,060 S1: House Judiciary Committee hearing that was held this month entitled 320 00:18:19,060 --> 00:18:23,580 S1: Europe's Threat to American Speech and Innovation for witnesses. And 321 00:18:23,580 --> 00:18:26,859 S1: one of them was a member of the ACLU. Doctor. 322 00:18:27,020 --> 00:18:29,459 S1: Excuse me, Mr. Mail, who's the executive director of the 323 00:18:29,460 --> 00:18:33,820 S1: American Civil Liberties Union of Minnesota. Jim Jordan comes from Ohio. 324 00:18:33,820 --> 00:18:35,379 S1: He's a rep there, there, but he's also the chairman 325 00:18:35,420 --> 00:18:38,179 S1: of the House Judiciary Committee. And have a listen to 326 00:18:38,180 --> 00:18:38,900 S1: how that went. 327 00:18:39,660 --> 00:18:42,100 S9: Mr. mayor, did the Biden administration censor people? 328 00:18:42,380 --> 00:18:44,580 S10: Thank you for your question. I'm here to talk about 329 00:18:44,580 --> 00:18:45,780 S10: what's happening. A simple. 330 00:18:45,780 --> 00:18:46,620 S9: Question did they do. 331 00:18:46,619 --> 00:18:47,100 S10: It on. 332 00:18:47,140 --> 00:18:50,780 S9: The previous administration? Censor American speech? You're from the ACLU. 333 00:18:50,820 --> 00:18:52,100 S9: Should care about that, too. 334 00:18:52,260 --> 00:18:54,740 S10: We we do care about free speech. But what I'm 335 00:18:54,780 --> 00:18:57,980 S10: talking about here today is the most significant threat to. 336 00:18:58,020 --> 00:18:59,900 S9: I got that you said that every time I asked 337 00:18:59,900 --> 00:19:01,379 S9: you a question, I want to know. Did the previous 338 00:19:01,380 --> 00:19:03,180 S9: administration censor American speech? 339 00:19:04,660 --> 00:19:07,140 S10: Chair, this is not what is happening in Minnesota is 340 00:19:07,140 --> 00:19:07,860 S10: not normal. 341 00:19:07,900 --> 00:19:10,460 S9: Well, here's what Mark Zuckerberg said to the committee in 342 00:19:10,460 --> 00:19:14,260 S9: August of 2024. Senior officials from the Biden administration. 343 00:19:14,260 --> 00:19:16,979 S11: What on what time is the is the chairman asking this? 344 00:19:17,020 --> 00:19:18,220 S9: My time is ticking. 345 00:19:18,260 --> 00:19:21,580 S12: He hasn't gone yet. Okay. Could we restore the time? 346 00:19:21,619 --> 00:19:24,700 S9: The gentleman yielded back, and it's my five minutes. Um, 347 00:19:25,180 --> 00:19:27,700 S9: officials from the Biden administration, including the white House, repeatedly 348 00:19:27,700 --> 00:19:31,420 S9: pressured our teams for months to censor Covid 19 content, 349 00:19:31,420 --> 00:19:35,419 S9: including humor and satire. Did it happen, Mr. Mayo? 350 00:19:36,420 --> 00:19:37,260 S10: Chair. I would. 351 00:19:37,260 --> 00:19:37,660 S9: Love to. 352 00:19:37,700 --> 00:19:40,860 S10: Mark Zuckerberg talking about online privacy, but I'm here talking 353 00:19:40,859 --> 00:19:42,220 S10: about what's happening on the street. 354 00:19:42,340 --> 00:19:44,420 S9: Zuckerberg lying to the committee when he said that. 355 00:19:44,460 --> 00:19:47,140 S10: Uh, I'm not here to speak about that. Well, here's 356 00:19:47,140 --> 00:19:48,900 S10: how I wish I was, but I'm here to speak 357 00:19:48,940 --> 00:19:51,260 S10: about the most significant threat to Mr. Price. 358 00:19:51,260 --> 00:19:53,540 S9: Let me ask. Here's how it works. Day three of 359 00:19:53,540 --> 00:19:56,700 S9: the Biden administration. They send a tweet from the white 360 00:19:56,700 --> 00:20:00,179 S9: House to Twitter. Take down this tweet ASAP. It was 361 00:20:00,180 --> 00:20:02,899 S9: a tweet from RFK Jr and it was about Covid. 362 00:20:03,140 --> 00:20:07,100 S9: So that's how it started. Specific tweets. Then it progressed 363 00:20:07,220 --> 00:20:10,300 S9: to policy. We have all kinds of documents we got 364 00:20:10,300 --> 00:20:13,460 S9: in our investigation last Congress which show the policy change. 365 00:20:13,460 --> 00:20:18,699 S9: Your policy leadership to ask misinformation policy, a couple of 366 00:20:18,700 --> 00:20:22,340 S9: teams on product policy to brainstorm some additional policy levers. 367 00:20:22,540 --> 00:20:25,140 S9: So then it was broader. First, it's just a specific tweet. 368 00:20:25,140 --> 00:20:28,060 S9: So we got to stop this tweet from influential people. 369 00:20:28,060 --> 00:20:32,900 S9: Then it's a broader policy. And now we got foreign 370 00:20:32,900 --> 00:20:38,220 S9: governments trying to impact American speech. And it's so pervasive 371 00:20:38,420 --> 00:20:42,300 S9: that you have individuals who put a Bible verse up 372 00:20:42,300 --> 00:20:45,180 S9: that they're coming out. That's the progression this takes. Is 373 00:20:45,180 --> 00:20:46,379 S9: that accurate, Mr. Price? 374 00:20:46,540 --> 00:20:47,060 S5: Yes, sir. 375 00:20:48,500 --> 00:20:52,100 S9: That's how that's how it goes. One tweet we don't 376 00:20:52,100 --> 00:20:54,860 S9: like RFK. Oh, by the way, everything RFK Jr said 377 00:20:54,859 --> 00:20:57,899 S9: in that tweet was true. Back to Mr. Kiley's point. 378 00:20:58,500 --> 00:21:01,540 S9: So many things they said to take down were true. 379 00:21:02,619 --> 00:21:04,580 S9: I bet Mr. Linehan would agree with that too. That's 380 00:21:04,580 --> 00:21:07,300 S9: how it goes sometimes. The thing they want to censor 381 00:21:07,300 --> 00:21:10,340 S9: is the truth. That's how this works. 382 00:21:11,340 --> 00:21:15,020 S1: So every single Democrat on this committee and remember there's 383 00:21:15,020 --> 00:21:18,540 S1: representatives there from both parties. Asked Mr. Male of the 384 00:21:18,540 --> 00:21:24,180 S1: ACLU of Minnesota questions about Ice in Minnesota. The hearing 385 00:21:24,300 --> 00:21:27,540 S1: was taking a look at global censorship. It didn't have 386 00:21:27,540 --> 00:21:31,179 S1: anything to do. It's a great pivot. Okay. that'd be fine, 387 00:21:31,180 --> 00:21:34,100 S1: I guess if you're playing football. But don't forget that. 388 00:21:34,140 --> 00:21:37,020 S1: Chairman Jim Jordan was a former wrestling coach, so I 389 00:21:37,020 --> 00:21:40,139 S1: would say both shoulders down pin. Craig, your response to 390 00:21:40,140 --> 00:21:40,740 S1: the ACLU? 391 00:21:40,780 --> 00:21:47,340 S6: Yeah. Not only was Congressman Jordan correct and accurate, but 392 00:21:47,340 --> 00:21:51,380 S6: the US Supreme Court, all nine justices in one way 393 00:21:51,380 --> 00:21:53,939 S6: or the other in a decision that went up to 394 00:21:53,980 --> 00:21:58,260 S6: them about this issue of the last administration pressuring. And 395 00:21:58,260 --> 00:22:00,980 S6: I think that was the word or pushing and words 396 00:22:00,980 --> 00:22:04,859 S6: of the Supreme Court, um, these big social media platforms 397 00:22:04,859 --> 00:22:08,859 S6: to start censoring first things about Covid that were politically 398 00:22:08,859 --> 00:22:14,860 S6: incorrect or inconvenient to the administration's position, or about elections, 399 00:22:14,859 --> 00:22:18,100 S6: or about election processes, or about the way in which 400 00:22:18,220 --> 00:22:21,940 S6: we vote and the rules connection with the election. Those 401 00:22:21,940 --> 00:22:26,100 S6: things all ended up being censored. So that was absolutely accurate. 402 00:22:26,140 --> 00:22:29,700 S6: What's interesting, Janet, is when somebody is called to testify 403 00:22:29,700 --> 00:22:32,020 S6: as a witness before Congress. I've had that honor. Our 404 00:22:32,020 --> 00:22:35,340 S6: daughters had the same honor. And. And so what you do, 405 00:22:35,380 --> 00:22:37,660 S6: and they ask you to do this and prepare a 406 00:22:37,940 --> 00:22:41,300 S6: written testimony that's very lengthy, usually 5 to 10 pages, 407 00:22:41,660 --> 00:22:44,100 S6: and then you're only given, of course, a short period 408 00:22:44,100 --> 00:22:46,780 S6: of time, three minutes to give your opening statement. And 409 00:22:46,780 --> 00:22:50,940 S6: then they ask you questions in the prepared statement by 410 00:22:51,180 --> 00:22:55,740 S6: Attorney Mail on behalf of the ACLU. I read the 411 00:22:55,740 --> 00:23:02,860 S6: entire thing many, many pages. The word international was not 412 00:23:03,060 --> 00:23:06,620 S6: in there. Any reference to the Digital Services Act was 413 00:23:06,619 --> 00:23:09,540 S6: not in there. Anything having to do with the topic 414 00:23:09,540 --> 00:23:12,900 S6: to which he was called to address free speech in Europe? 415 00:23:12,900 --> 00:23:17,899 S6: Free speech in America compared the two was never mentioned. 416 00:23:17,980 --> 00:23:21,100 S6: All that he mentioned was what was going on in 417 00:23:21,100 --> 00:23:26,940 S6: Minnesota in terms of the ice, um, uh, activities with 418 00:23:26,940 --> 00:23:30,490 S6: regard to illegal aliens. That was it. Everything he had 419 00:23:30,490 --> 00:23:33,130 S6: to say in his prepared statement had to do with 420 00:23:33,130 --> 00:23:35,010 S6: that and not the subject at hand. 421 00:23:35,050 --> 00:23:38,130 S1: Well, it's really kind of shady because you know exactly 422 00:23:38,130 --> 00:23:39,850 S1: what the name of the committee is. You know exactly 423 00:23:39,850 --> 00:23:42,130 S1: what the name of the hearing was, and you weren't 424 00:23:42,130 --> 00:23:44,330 S1: called there to testify about Ice. That'd be a whole 425 00:23:44,330 --> 00:23:46,570 S1: different committee. It'd be a whole nother issue. So for 426 00:23:46,570 --> 00:23:48,690 S1: him to try and weave and Bob and talk about 427 00:23:48,690 --> 00:23:51,970 S1: what's going on in Minnesota, it was was quintessential political 428 00:23:51,970 --> 00:23:55,649 S1: theater at its worst. Yeah. And the real threat wasn't 429 00:23:55,650 --> 00:23:57,129 S1: even being addressed, by the way, in terms of the 430 00:23:57,130 --> 00:23:59,570 S1: real threat, I want you to know that the, uh, 431 00:23:59,609 --> 00:24:03,050 S1: the Judiciary Committee has put out 160 page report. I'm 432 00:24:03,050 --> 00:24:05,410 S1: looking at it right here in my desk. The Foreign 433 00:24:05,410 --> 00:24:08,090 S1: Censorship Threat, part two. Remember, this is the second hearing 434 00:24:08,090 --> 00:24:10,290 S1: had one in September. Then they had one in February. 435 00:24:10,570 --> 00:24:14,010 S1: And it's entitled Europe's decade long Campaign to censor the 436 00:24:14,010 --> 00:24:17,169 S1: Global Internet and how it harms American speech in the 437 00:24:17,170 --> 00:24:19,890 S1: United States. So there's an old saying, and I think 438 00:24:19,890 --> 00:24:23,250 S1: it applies here. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're 439 00:24:23,250 --> 00:24:25,290 S1: not out to get you. So we have a reason 440 00:24:25,290 --> 00:24:28,970 S1: to be cautious about this mission creep of censorship in 441 00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:57,050 S1: our country back after this. If what you hear on 442 00:24:57,050 --> 00:24:59,970 S1: in the market with Janet partial encourages you, enlightens you, 443 00:24:59,970 --> 00:25:02,250 S1: engages you, and equips you, I want to ask you 444 00:25:02,250 --> 00:25:05,010 S1: to become a partial partner today. This program depends on 445 00:25:05,010 --> 00:25:07,930 S1: the faithful and ongoing support of listeners just like you. 446 00:25:07,930 --> 00:25:11,090 S1: By supporting this program on a regular, ongoing monthly basis. 447 00:25:11,130 --> 00:25:14,770 S1: You'll receive several benefits that only my partners receive, so 448 00:25:14,770 --> 00:25:19,330 S1: please call today 877 Janet 58 or go online to 449 00:25:19,369 --> 00:25:20,969 S1: In the market with Janet Parshall. 450 00:25:30,210 --> 00:25:34,689 S13: Yes or no. Major social media platforms generally apply one 451 00:25:34,690 --> 00:25:39,330 S13: global set of content moderation rules worldwide. We're part of 452 00:25:39,330 --> 00:25:42,850 S13: globalism now. We're all the same. Yes or no? Yes, 453 00:25:43,690 --> 00:25:48,130 S13: because platforms rely on global rules. Global, not American rules. 454 00:25:48,130 --> 00:25:50,050 S13: Forgive me. I know some of us aren't American, but 455 00:25:50,050 --> 00:25:53,209 S13: I want to talk about America. Global rules. Changes to 456 00:25:53,250 --> 00:25:58,090 S13: those rules affect users or people that cherish freedom. In America, 457 00:25:58,090 --> 00:25:59,609 S13: it affects us. Yes or no? 458 00:25:59,650 --> 00:26:00,330 S5: Yes it does. 459 00:26:00,850 --> 00:26:04,170 S13: Under the Digital Services Act, platforms can be fined up 460 00:26:04,170 --> 00:26:09,170 S13: to 6% of their global revenue for non-compliance. Yes or no? 461 00:26:09,210 --> 00:26:10,530 S5: Global turnover? Yes, sir. 462 00:26:11,730 --> 00:26:15,450 S13: That how that boy, that's a real effective way to 463 00:26:15,490 --> 00:26:18,810 S13: stop freedom and freedom of speech. That's what we're supposed 464 00:26:18,810 --> 00:26:21,970 S13: to be talking about today. Not all this other stuff 465 00:26:21,970 --> 00:26:23,890 S13: we can have a hearing We are going to have 466 00:26:23,890 --> 00:26:26,970 S13: Kristi Noem. We are going to have the attorney general. 467 00:26:26,970 --> 00:26:29,250 S13: We are going to have other hearings. We may have 468 00:26:29,250 --> 00:26:31,290 S13: a hearing on Minnesota, I don't know. And we'll talk 469 00:26:31,330 --> 00:26:34,369 S13: about those issues then. But let's talk about this big 470 00:26:34,410 --> 00:26:38,530 S13: bad issue that threatens the very foundation of America and 471 00:26:38,530 --> 00:26:42,130 S13: American freedom. Yes or no? Are the threats of fines 472 00:26:42,130 --> 00:26:47,969 S13: that that large designed to pressure platforms to over censor 473 00:26:47,970 --> 00:26:51,170 S13: speech to avoid getting punished in that way? 474 00:26:51,650 --> 00:26:52,970 S5: Yes, sir. They have that effect. 475 00:26:53,210 --> 00:26:56,010 S13: Yes or no? When Americans are censored because of foreign 476 00:26:56,010 --> 00:27:00,609 S13: government pressure, they have no ability to talk about taxation 477 00:27:00,609 --> 00:27:03,969 S13: without representation. This is worse. You lose your freedom of 478 00:27:03,970 --> 00:27:06,409 S13: speech and you have no ability to get those people 479 00:27:06,410 --> 00:27:09,490 S13: out of office. They're in another country. They're not liable 480 00:27:09,490 --> 00:27:12,250 S13: to you at all, but you have to acquiesce to them. 481 00:27:12,250 --> 00:27:13,010 S13: Yes or no? 482 00:27:13,050 --> 00:27:14,690 S5: Yes. We can't get them out of office either. 483 00:27:14,730 --> 00:27:18,129 S13: I know it's scary if Americans are losing their speech 484 00:27:18,130 --> 00:27:21,649 S13: rights because of laws written overseas, then this is not 485 00:27:21,730 --> 00:27:25,010 S13: just a tech issue. This is not some boring issue 486 00:27:25,050 --> 00:27:27,490 S13: that people want to put in a closet somewhere where 487 00:27:27,490 --> 00:27:30,330 S13: people yawn and forget about it. It's freedom of religion, 488 00:27:30,330 --> 00:27:33,290 S13: freedom of speech, freedom of the way to raise your 489 00:27:33,290 --> 00:27:35,810 S13: family the way you want to. All the freedoms that 490 00:27:35,810 --> 00:27:38,010 S13: we cherish in America. Yes or no? 491 00:27:38,050 --> 00:27:38,530 S5: Yes, sir. 492 00:27:38,930 --> 00:27:43,370 S13: Is it a direct attack on American sovereignty? And shouldn't 493 00:27:43,369 --> 00:27:45,450 S13: we do everything we can to stop it? 494 00:27:46,090 --> 00:27:46,770 S5: Absolutely. 495 00:27:47,130 --> 00:27:50,210 S13: That's the bottom line here. Ladies and gentlemen, this is 496 00:27:50,210 --> 00:27:52,850 S13: a big deal. I'm sorry for what you went through. 497 00:27:53,090 --> 00:27:56,010 S13: God knows. I mean to believe. It doesn't matter if 498 00:27:56,050 --> 00:27:59,610 S13: they agree with your faith. It's your faith. And it's 499 00:27:59,609 --> 00:28:02,490 S13: your right to represent that faith. And you shouldn't go 500 00:28:02,490 --> 00:28:05,409 S13: to jail, and you shouldn't be fined, and you shouldn't 501 00:28:05,410 --> 00:28:08,010 S13: be embarrassed and you shouldn't be censored. 502 00:28:09,450 --> 00:28:12,929 S1: So that is Representative Andrew from new Jersey. And he 503 00:28:12,930 --> 00:28:16,210 S1: was directing that line of questioning to Lorcan Price again, 504 00:28:16,250 --> 00:28:18,610 S1: ADF international. Craig, your thoughts? 505 00:28:18,810 --> 00:28:24,690 S6: Um, The danger of this, really, and I'm very slow 506 00:28:24,850 --> 00:28:29,370 S6: to ring bells and send up distress signals. But the 507 00:28:29,369 --> 00:28:35,450 S6: danger to this, to American free speech is cannot be overstated. Um, 508 00:28:35,530 --> 00:28:39,810 S6: these tech companies are they're all Silicon Valley, the big ones. 509 00:28:40,370 --> 00:28:45,890 S6: And yet, even though they're American companies starting out in 510 00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:51,490 S6: America with investment capital from Americans for the purpose of giving, uh, 511 00:28:51,690 --> 00:28:56,410 S6: you know, expressive, uh, communication to Americans have become global 512 00:28:56,650 --> 00:28:58,890 S6: as a result of that. Now, what happens in the 513 00:28:58,890 --> 00:29:04,890 S6: Digital Services Act in Europe under European ideas of free speech? Basically, 514 00:29:04,890 --> 00:29:08,130 S6: they believe free speech really isn't free, that it has 515 00:29:08,130 --> 00:29:11,130 S6: to be regulated, has to be minimized, and you can 516 00:29:11,130 --> 00:29:13,570 S6: be punished criminally if you don't say the right things 517 00:29:13,570 --> 00:29:16,970 S6: the right way, uh, under the right conditions. That's their 518 00:29:16,970 --> 00:29:20,970 S6: view of speech. Over here we have a robust free speech. 519 00:29:20,970 --> 00:29:24,930 S6: And let me tell you, Janet, while constitutional lawyers, those 520 00:29:24,930 --> 00:29:27,050 S6: of us who do this stuff, we can we can 521 00:29:27,050 --> 00:29:29,610 S6: argue with each other and have disagreements about the finer 522 00:29:29,610 --> 00:29:33,610 S6: details of Supreme Court decisions about free speech in certain cases. 523 00:29:34,170 --> 00:29:38,410 S6: But on the on the overall issue of American free 524 00:29:38,410 --> 00:29:45,050 S6: speech and the European, the very bad European view of expression, 525 00:29:45,450 --> 00:29:48,410 S6: there's no absolutely no comparison. As a matter of fact, uh, 526 00:29:48,410 --> 00:29:51,570 S6: a legal scholar by the name of Lloyd, uh, Abrams, 527 00:29:51,770 --> 00:29:54,490 S6: he and I would agree on, uh, many cases, but 528 00:29:54,490 --> 00:29:57,290 S6: we'd also disagree on a lot of other, uh, free 529 00:29:57,290 --> 00:30:00,250 S6: speech cases. He gave a speech back in 2017 to 530 00:30:00,290 --> 00:30:05,490 S6: an international organization, and he said, Mark my words, the 531 00:30:05,490 --> 00:30:08,890 S6: exceptionalism of America is the exceptionalism of the First Amendment. 532 00:30:08,890 --> 00:30:12,330 S6: And you Europeans have it wrong. He talked about a 533 00:30:12,330 --> 00:30:15,650 S6: guy being convicted in Belgium for holding a sign up saying, 534 00:30:15,850 --> 00:30:20,450 S6: please don't turn Belgium into an Islamic state. Ended up 535 00:30:20,450 --> 00:30:24,650 S6: getting criminally convicted. Mentioned cases in England. Mentioned cases like 536 00:30:24,650 --> 00:30:28,490 S6: that in Canada. So the threat is there and not 537 00:30:28,490 --> 00:30:31,410 S6: just knocking on our door. They're going to control the 538 00:30:31,410 --> 00:30:34,610 S6: tech companies that many of us use for communications. 539 00:30:34,650 --> 00:30:37,970 S1: Representative not hails from North Carolina. And his line of 540 00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:41,090 S1: questioning was directed to Doctor Rosen. Have a listen. 541 00:30:41,930 --> 00:30:43,890 S14: Doctor. I want to start with you by thanking you 542 00:30:43,890 --> 00:30:47,690 S14: for taking a stand. And you in many ways represent, um, 543 00:30:47,690 --> 00:30:51,050 S14: concern that Christians all over the world fear that is 544 00:30:51,050 --> 00:30:56,690 S14: growing hostility towards our faith from leftist governments. And I 545 00:30:56,690 --> 00:30:59,290 S14: want to talk to you specifically about what you were 546 00:30:59,290 --> 00:31:03,290 S14: prosecuted for. You did not post a Bible verse in 547 00:31:03,290 --> 00:31:04,970 S14: an official capacity. Correct? 548 00:31:05,890 --> 00:31:08,770 S8: Yes, I posted it in. 549 00:31:09,090 --> 00:31:11,650 S14: It was not part of a state action. It was. 550 00:31:11,690 --> 00:31:13,210 S14: It was a personal action, correct? 551 00:31:13,250 --> 00:31:14,770 S8: Yes, yes. My personal. 552 00:31:14,850 --> 00:31:19,010 S14: And then you issued a pamphlet in your personal capacity. 553 00:31:19,170 --> 00:31:20,930 S8: Yes. Yes, it is here. 554 00:31:20,970 --> 00:31:25,450 S14: Yes. You did not incite. You did not advocate for violence. 555 00:31:25,450 --> 00:31:27,650 S14: You did not advocate for the silencing. 556 00:31:27,690 --> 00:31:31,410 S8: No. Absolutely not. And I said, for example, in this 557 00:31:31,410 --> 00:31:34,890 S8: pamphlet that I believe that all people are equal and 558 00:31:34,890 --> 00:31:36,730 S8: we have to respect all people. 559 00:31:37,490 --> 00:31:41,690 S14: And in regards to your litigation, your case, you won 560 00:31:41,690 --> 00:31:43,730 S14: your case at the trial level, correct? 561 00:31:43,810 --> 00:31:44,290 S8: Yes. 562 00:31:44,570 --> 00:31:45,530 S14: How many times? 563 00:31:45,810 --> 00:31:46,570 S8: Two times. 564 00:31:46,570 --> 00:31:47,210 S14: Two times. 565 00:31:47,250 --> 00:31:47,690 S8: Yes. 566 00:31:47,850 --> 00:31:50,930 S14: And then the prosecutor appealed. 567 00:31:51,170 --> 00:31:54,490 S8: Yes. It is possible in Finland, even though that you 568 00:31:54,530 --> 00:31:58,490 S8: are acquitted, that the prosecutor can appeal to the Supreme Court. 569 00:31:58,610 --> 00:32:00,290 S8: And so the highest level. 570 00:32:00,330 --> 00:32:02,930 S14: What remedy is this prosecutor looking for? Do they want 571 00:32:02,930 --> 00:32:04,450 S14: to put you in jail? Do they want to find you? 572 00:32:04,610 --> 00:32:09,250 S8: They they want to have they want to find me. 573 00:32:09,370 --> 00:32:12,810 S8: But what is the most dangerous? They want to ban, 574 00:32:12,810 --> 00:32:16,840 S8: for example, this booklet and my Twitter post. 575 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,200 S14: Well, ultimately they want to ban your belief in Scripture. 576 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,320 S14: They want to ban your ability to cite the Bible, 577 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,520 S14: to believe in the Bible. Yes. And to make it 578 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,880 S14: socially unacceptable to do so. Correct? 579 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:29,440 S8: Yes. 580 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,120 S14: And I want to make this very clear. As a 581 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,880 S14: former prosecutor myself, I find it grossly offensive that the 582 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,200 S14: resources of the state are going after wonderful people like you. 583 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,240 S14: While crime of every sort has increased over the last 584 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,080 S14: number of years in your home country. Property crimes, sex crimes, 585 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,840 S14: violent crime, they're increasing and they're going after you. 586 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,719 S8: Yes. And at almost seven years now. 587 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,840 S14: That's disgusting. And again, thank you for your faith. Thank 588 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,040 S14: you for your bravery. And know that we are behind 589 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,480 S14: you in full support. 590 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,560 S1: So the Billy Graham Association actually put out a notification 591 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,120 S1: that this hearing was taking place because, again, this is 592 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,680 S1: Capitol Hill. This is the halls of government. And what 593 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,800 S1: are they talking about, censoring a biblio centric worldview. And 594 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,440 S1: as she said, they have been going after her since 2019. 595 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,080 S1: And God bless this woman who is a doctor. She's 596 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,880 S1: a member of the Finnish parliament, but she also happens 597 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,040 S1: to be a pastor's wife. And the booklet that she's 598 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,959 S1: referring to is a booklet that talks about what the 599 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,800 S1: Bible says about homosexuality and the traditional family and again, 600 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,400 S1: what biblical truth is all about. And they just will 601 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,160 S1: not leave her alone. I quite think that Finland wants 602 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,239 S1: to make an example of her, and they want to 603 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,160 S1: create a chilling effect for any other Christian out there. 604 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,040 S1: Remember the official church we have separation of church and 605 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,440 S1: state here. We have no official church in America, but 606 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,920 S1: in Finland, the official church there is the Lutheran church, 607 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,040 S1: and they were supporting a gay pride parade. And that 608 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,200 S1: was the catalyst for all of this. So, Craig, it 609 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,040 S1: isn't an alarm warning here. This is Nehemiah. This is 610 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,480 S1: being a watchman on the wall and understanding that because 611 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,160 S1: we are an intersected global community, that we've got TikTok 612 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,239 S1: and we've got Twitter and we've got X and all 613 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,000 S1: of these other platforms redundant between Twitter and X, but 614 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,440 S1: what's happening is because they have an international impact, these 615 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:19,200 S1: arrogant governmental entities like the EU or the UK in 616 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,920 S1: their little digital police force, think that they have a 617 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,680 S1: right to superimpose censorship on somebody in America who has 618 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,200 S1: posted something that disagrees, that apparently doesn't come into alignment 619 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,839 S1: with the UK or the EU. So you don't have 620 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,880 S1: to be living in the EU. You don't have to 621 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,160 S1: be living in the UK. And they can still try 622 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,440 S1: to go after you and censor you. 623 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,600 S6: Yeah. Which is interesting because I don't think any of 624 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,880 S6: our lawmakers in the 90s, when they were taking a 625 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,680 S6: look at how or whether they should even regulate this 626 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:52,880 S6: burgeoning new, um, web on the internet, and then the 627 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,200 S6: companies that would later be created, social media companies and 628 00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,600 S6: Google and so forth. Um, they wanted to keep hands off, 629 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,040 S6: but there was no way in which Congress back then, 630 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,120 S6: in the 90s, could have envisioned the fact that these 631 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,520 S6: were going to go global. The internet was going to 632 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,640 S6: be a global phenomena. And then part of that globe 633 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,399 S6: across the ocean. European nations that are part of the 634 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,640 S6: EU that have a completely different and a very downgraded 635 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,839 S6: view of the importance of free speech. And let me 636 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,719 S6: address this for a minute, because, uh, you know, when 637 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:31,960 S6: a former member of Finnish parliament is posting not about 638 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:37,239 S6: government policy, she was debating what her church's position was 639 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,080 S6: that she thought was unbiblical, and she was addressing her 640 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:44,240 S6: church in an ecclesiastical way, but using the technology of today. 641 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,560 S1: Not as an underscore this because you're making such an 642 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,800 S1: excellent point, not as a member of Parliament. Right. Individual 643 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,800 S1: free speech, not a, quote, state action. 644 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,839 S6: So if if Christians out there are thinking, well, how 645 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,440 S6: does that really I mean, it's okay, I get free speech, 646 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,120 S6: but how does this come down to my front doorstep? 647 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,359 S6: I'd say look at Romans 1014. Paul says, how can 648 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,759 S6: they call on him in whom they have not believed? 649 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,799 S6: How shall they believe in him and whom they have 650 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,799 S6: not heard? How shall they hear without a preacher? You 651 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,719 S6: can preach, you can teach, and you can share globally, 652 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:23,360 S6: on the internet, on these platforms. Unless Europe gets its way. 653 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:24,680 S6: And then you won't. 654 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,160 S1: That's why this hearing is important, and probably because what 655 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,480 S1: was primarily in the crosshair was your biblio centric worldview 656 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,880 S1: might be the reason it didn't get a lot of 657 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,960 S1: press coverage out there, but somebody paying attention on Capitol 658 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,239 S1: Hill and they're cognizant of the threats. We've got more 659 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,960 S1: audio for you and what the proposed remedy might be 660 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,440 S1: going forward. This is in the market with Janet Parshall. 661 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:45,360 S1: More after this. 662 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,839 S15: Mr.. Lanahan, I want you to just walk us through 663 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,719 S15: what happened to you. Because you were in the United States. 664 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,319 S15: You put up a tweet. You're a comedian. You use 665 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,560 S15: some off color language. Maybe different than the way I 666 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,879 S15: would say things sometimes, but that's what you do. And 667 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,200 S15: you made a comment about the propriety of biological males 668 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,200 S15: being in female only spaces. Can you tell me exactly 669 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,680 S15: what happened when you landed at Heathrow Airport in some detail? 670 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,160 S16: Well, as I said, because I because I'd been arrested 671 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,640 S16: before and because I have, uh, because I'm sort of 672 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,920 S16: the victim of, of kind of village gossip on a 673 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:45,360 S16: global scale. Uh, I when the plane actually taxied to 674 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,560 S16: a stop and we were kept there for longer than 675 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,400 S16: as usual, I sort of immediately knew that I might 676 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,560 S16: be about to be arrested. Um, so but I when 677 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,200 S16: I got to the door, I couldn't believe it. There 678 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,440 S16: were five police, all of them armed, which is standard 679 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,359 S16: in Heathrow. Um, but it was a shock, you know, 680 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,719 S16: I didn't think they, I didn't I didn't see how 681 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,600 S16: five police were necessary, especially as I was coming into 682 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,839 S16: the country to testify in another trial. And they would 683 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,399 S16: have known that. So, um, uh, so, yeah, I have 684 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,080 S16: to say, even though it was shocking and unpleasant, um, 685 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,080 S16: and I ended up having such high blood pressure that 686 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:29,160 S16: I had to be transferred to a hospital. Um, in 687 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,160 S16: many ways, I'm very glad it happened to me, because 688 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,160 S16: my voice has been silenced so long in the UK. 689 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,680 S16: I'm very much a niche voice, uh, because of the, uh, 690 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,040 S16: kind of control gender ideology has over the whole country, 691 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:44,880 S16: over institutions. 692 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,319 S15: It's also probably the chilling effect, right? You put up 693 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,919 S15: a tweet, you say something that you believe, and you're 694 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,600 S15: met by five armed guards who put you in jail. 695 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,759 S15: What effect does that have on other people speaking their minds. 696 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,200 S16: As you know, as you say, chilling effect. Who knows? 697 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,920 S16: Who knows what effect it has? Uh, you know, since 698 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,800 S16: the censorship that's at play when it comes to, issues 699 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,560 S16: around women's rights is a kind of quiet censorship. People 700 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,320 S16: are counseled quietly. They just stop being invited to things. 701 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,680 S16: They stop getting contracts and so on. So, um, uh, 702 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,880 S16: so yeah, that's one of the things I wanted to 703 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,760 S16: get across to people, that there's more than one form 704 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,520 S16: of censorship. It's not just the government being heavy handed. 705 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:32,160 S16: It's a sort of, uh, orthodoxy that has been imposed across, uh, 706 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:38,160 S16: British society, especially in certain industries that, um, attract very privileged, 707 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:44,120 S16: middle class people. So we have publishing, theater, uh, the media, um, uh, 708 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,080 S16: and the NHS now, which is very frightening. Um, all 709 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,200 S16: these institutions have been captured by gender ideology and, uh, 710 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,239 S16: no one is objecting to it. Just the fact that 711 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,680 S16: no one is objecting to it does not mean that 712 00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,040 S16: people don't object to it. 713 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,720 S1: How true that is. Again, that's Graham Linehan. He's a journalist. 714 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,720 S1: An award winning comedy writer and director stopped at Heathrow 715 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,960 S1: five armed guards because he's been speaking out on the 716 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,719 S1: issue of transgenderism. One more clip I want you to hear. 717 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,560 S1: This is representative Chip Roy of Texas talking to Doctor 718 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:15,840 S1: Rosin and have a listen. 719 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,440 S17: First of all, thank you. Thank you for standing up. 720 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,040 S17: Thank you for standing up in the face of the 721 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:27,000 S17: tyrannical interference with your ability to carry out your faith 722 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,640 S17: and speak freely about it. As you know, a number 723 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,040 S17: of us have been watching this very closely, and we 724 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,480 S17: are proud of what you have been doing to send 725 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,319 S17: a message around the globe. Let me ask you just 726 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,719 S17: a couple of quick questions. Is it is it correct 727 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,760 S17: that the alleged crimes against you that were charged against 728 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,400 S17: you consisted solely of, as you described before, a Bible 729 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,080 S17: verse posted on social media, comments during a radio debate 730 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,680 S17: and a religious pamphlet published years earlier? 731 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,600 S8: No, I don't think that it is right because I 732 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:02,270 S8: have not insulted anyone. My my speech has been Peaceful. 733 00:41:02,310 --> 00:41:05,029 S17: And at no point did you call for violence, coercion 734 00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:06,390 S17: or unlawful conduct. 735 00:41:06,430 --> 00:41:09,510 S8: No, no. I have told all the time that all 736 00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:12,910 S8: people are equal, and we all are sinners, and we 737 00:41:12,910 --> 00:41:16,509 S8: all are in need of grace. So I do not 738 00:41:16,510 --> 00:41:17,189 S8: insult any. 739 00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:21,230 S17: Is it true that prosecutors reportedly compared portions of the 740 00:41:21,230 --> 00:41:25,070 S17: Bible to extremist literature when they were going after you? 741 00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:31,110 S8: Uh, yes. Uh, the prosecutor, uh, filed up charges because 742 00:41:31,110 --> 00:41:36,230 S8: of my white Twitter update where the main focus was 743 00:41:36,270 --> 00:41:37,670 S8: on the Bible verses. 744 00:41:38,270 --> 00:41:41,469 S17: And it was it is the prosecution reportedly offered you 745 00:41:41,469 --> 00:41:46,310 S17: a deal to recant your statements in exchange for avoiding prosecution. 746 00:41:46,350 --> 00:41:47,310 S17: Is that accurate? 747 00:41:47,710 --> 00:41:52,230 S8: Uh, already in the police investigation, the police gave me 748 00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:57,270 S8: two weeks time to take away my my writings, and and, uh, 749 00:41:57,270 --> 00:42:02,430 S8: I said that I will stand up. And before these teachings. 750 00:42:04,070 --> 00:42:05,589 S1: Now you know why we're playing this for you and 751 00:42:05,590 --> 00:42:07,590 S1: why it's important. I'm not talking to voice of the martyrs. 752 00:42:07,590 --> 00:42:09,830 S1: I'm not talking to open doors. This is a hearing 753 00:42:09,830 --> 00:42:13,709 S1: on Capitol Hill about the encroachment of censorship on our shores, 754 00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:16,549 S1: not future. It's here right now. Craig, we've looked at 755 00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:18,950 S1: the problem, and there's more audio I could play because 756 00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:21,350 S1: these hearings go on for hours. What's the remedy? 757 00:42:21,550 --> 00:42:24,630 S6: Well, there's going to be some suggestions for a remedy 758 00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:28,950 S6: that go in completely the wrong direction. Um, and there 759 00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:31,310 S6: are a lot of different political positions, but the most 760 00:42:31,310 --> 00:42:35,430 S6: extreme one, uh, Hillary Clinton just mentioned recently saying we 761 00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:39,110 S6: need our own version of the Digital Services Act over here, 762 00:42:39,350 --> 00:42:42,030 S6: just like the Europeans are. So in other words, let's 763 00:42:42,030 --> 00:42:45,910 S6: diminish the idea of free speech as we've had it blessed, uh, 764 00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:51,750 S6: for over 200 years. But there are some concrete ways 765 00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:56,590 S6: in which both the free speech rights of Silicon Valley 766 00:42:56,630 --> 00:43:00,990 S6: tech companies can be respected, but also the opinions of us, 767 00:43:01,030 --> 00:43:04,669 S6: the citizens who use their platforms. Their services can have 768 00:43:04,670 --> 00:43:07,069 S6: our free speech rights protected. I've had the honor of 769 00:43:07,070 --> 00:43:10,350 S6: suggesting some to members of Congress. A lot of policymakers 770 00:43:10,350 --> 00:43:13,350 S6: have other ideas, so there's a way to balance that. 771 00:43:13,870 --> 00:43:17,110 S6: But in terms of the European threat, one of the 772 00:43:17,110 --> 00:43:20,750 S6: ideas and by the way, our Secretary of state, Rubio, 773 00:43:21,150 --> 00:43:28,509 S6: has since last August been quietly pressuring the European Union 774 00:43:28,510 --> 00:43:32,390 S6: to take the DSA and radically amend it. So it's 775 00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:36,430 S6: not it's it is pro free speech rather than anti-free speech. 776 00:43:36,430 --> 00:43:39,750 S6: Then the problem is solved, and we can apply pressure 777 00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:43,310 S6: in a number of different ways on our European friends, uh, 778 00:43:43,390 --> 00:43:46,230 S6: to be able to do that. But they decided to 779 00:43:46,270 --> 00:43:49,790 S6: basically regulate us. We're now going to regulate them. 780 00:43:49,790 --> 00:43:50,910 S1: Do you think that will happen? 781 00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:53,950 S6: I think there's a good chance, but it all depends 782 00:43:54,110 --> 00:43:58,470 S6: on what Congress does. What we do in elections who 783 00:43:58,510 --> 00:44:02,830 S6: we elect to Congress. Because after all, Congress makes the laws. 784 00:44:03,070 --> 00:44:06,670 S6: The president simply enforces them and the and the court, 785 00:44:06,670 --> 00:44:09,589 S6: Supreme Court and other courts simply interpret it. Congress is 786 00:44:09,590 --> 00:44:11,670 S6: the lawmakers, and they need to hear from us. 787 00:44:11,710 --> 00:44:14,509 S1: You know, this is not a Republican or Democratic issue. 788 00:44:14,510 --> 00:44:17,029 S1: It is not a right and left issue. It's a 789 00:44:17,070 --> 00:44:21,190 S1: right and wrong issue. Free speech means everybody. So the 790 00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:24,230 S1: difference here is, again, this is one of our treasured 791 00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:27,630 S1: liberties in this country. And I think that American spirit, 792 00:44:27,630 --> 00:44:30,710 S1: that spirit coming through on our 250th anniversary is going 793 00:44:30,750 --> 00:44:32,710 S1: to come through loud and clear. We're going to fight 794 00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:34,790 S1: hard for this. Regardless of where you fall on a 795 00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:37,550 S1: political spectrum, every one of us should have the right 796 00:44:37,550 --> 00:44:41,150 S1: to say what we believe in a public square without 797 00:44:41,150 --> 00:44:44,430 S1: fear of pushback or censorship, or even threat of imprisonment 798 00:44:44,430 --> 00:44:47,870 S1: and fines. Absolutely ludicrous. This is a wake up call. Again, 799 00:44:47,870 --> 00:44:51,069 S1: God hasn't given us a spirit of fear, but power, love, 800 00:44:51,070 --> 00:44:53,510 S1: and of a sound mind. We'll use all of that. Thanks, friends. 801 00:44:53,550 --> 00:44:55,069 S1: We'll see you next time on In the Market with 802 00:44:55,070 --> 00:44:55,950 S1: Janet Parshall.