1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,080 S1: The dedication to the new book, On Our Way Home 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,000 S1: is to those who have asked God to give me 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,840 S1: more days. This book is the fruit of your prayers. 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:16,319 S1: You really mean that, don't you? 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,279 S2: I mean that with all my heart. That could make 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,600 S2: me cry. Just hearing it again. I mean that with 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,919 S2: all my heart. There were so many people I wanted 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,320 S2: to dedicate this book to. I really wrestled over it 9 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,160 S2: and then just looked, stepping back and looking at that 10 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:34,960 S2: big picture of so many people write to me and say, 11 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,560 S2: I pray for you every day. And I've never met them. 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,760 S2: And I just, um, it's, it's all the people, the 13 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,199 S2: ones who are close to me and the ones who 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,760 S2: I've never met who, um, God has said yes to 15 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:47,840 S2: more days and I'm just so grateful. 16 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,920 S1: The voice of Colleen Chow, who has been on her 17 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,880 S1: way home the last four years, and a week ago 18 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,480 S1: last Monday, she left the pain and the struggle and 19 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,710 S1: the land of cancer to see the face of the 20 00:01:00,710 --> 00:01:03,910 S1: one who loved her most, who has been singing over 21 00:01:03,910 --> 00:01:07,709 S1: her all this time. And today on Chris Fabry Live, 22 00:01:07,709 --> 00:01:10,430 S1: we are going to pay tribute to Colleen and let 23 00:01:10,430 --> 00:01:13,990 S1: her speak to us. From conversations that we've had in 24 00:01:13,990 --> 00:01:16,390 S1: the last few years. I have some friends who are 25 00:01:16,390 --> 00:01:20,150 S1: going to come along and share about their relationship with Colleen. 26 00:01:20,870 --> 00:01:24,069 S1: So their sadness in today's program. But there's also an 27 00:01:24,069 --> 00:01:27,949 S1: awful lot of hope as you listen, keep your ears 28 00:01:27,950 --> 00:01:32,429 S1: open for her laugh. It's in every conversation that we had. 29 00:01:32,430 --> 00:01:35,229 S1: Let me thank our team. Ryan McConaughey doing all things technical. 30 00:01:35,270 --> 00:01:38,510 S1: Trish is our producer. Lisa's helping out. Josh will be 31 00:01:38,510 --> 00:01:41,470 S1: answering your calls today. And I also want to thank 32 00:01:41,510 --> 00:01:44,870 S1: the team at Revive Our Hearts. Their program yesterday, paying 33 00:01:44,950 --> 00:01:49,550 S1: tribute to Colleen was a masterpiece, and they've produced a 34 00:01:49,550 --> 00:01:53,590 S1: film that we have linked at Chris fabriclive.org titled In 35 00:01:53,590 --> 00:01:57,070 S1: the Hands of a Fiercely Tender God. It's really amazing. 36 00:01:57,470 --> 00:02:00,780 S1: And my thanks to Nancy DeMoss, Wolgemuth and Justin Converse 37 00:02:00,780 --> 00:02:03,980 S1: and Phil Kraus for access to some of that live 38 00:02:03,980 --> 00:02:08,420 S1: audio from the True Woman Conference, as well as the video, 39 00:02:08,460 --> 00:02:11,460 S1: the film that I just mentioned. In fact, let's start 40 00:02:11,460 --> 00:02:15,540 S1: there with Colleen and her son Jeremy and her husband 41 00:02:15,580 --> 00:02:20,100 S1: Eddie from that film as they rehearse. What happened early 42 00:02:20,100 --> 00:02:23,020 S1: on when Colleen was diagnosed with cancer. 43 00:02:23,740 --> 00:02:26,980 S3: So that first diagnosis, I came home that day to 44 00:02:27,020 --> 00:02:30,780 S3: my six year old son. I said, we got hard 45 00:02:30,780 --> 00:02:35,260 S3: news today. It's cancer, but God is going to use 46 00:02:35,260 --> 00:02:38,980 S3: this for our good, for your good. He was absorbing 47 00:02:38,980 --> 00:02:42,540 S3: it like a little six year old does just processing 48 00:02:42,580 --> 00:02:43,900 S3: and got teary eyed. 49 00:02:44,220 --> 00:02:47,859 S4: I remember asking to read the passage in Daniel. 50 00:02:47,860 --> 00:02:50,460 S3: It seemed out of the blue, but he said, can 51 00:02:50,460 --> 00:02:52,940 S3: we read this story of the fiery furnace? 52 00:02:52,980 --> 00:02:55,620 S4: I think it was one of my favorite stories as 53 00:02:55,620 --> 00:02:56,620 S4: a younger kid. 54 00:02:56,660 --> 00:02:59,570 S3: So Eddie grabbed the Bible. We're all sitting in our 55 00:02:59,570 --> 00:03:02,930 S3: bedroom and Eddie reads the story. 56 00:03:02,970 --> 00:03:06,050 S5: Then Nebuchadnezzar was filled with rage, and the expression on 57 00:03:06,050 --> 00:03:10,210 S5: his face changed toward Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. He gave 58 00:03:10,210 --> 00:03:13,570 S5: orders to heat the furnace seven times more than was customary, 59 00:03:14,169 --> 00:03:16,329 S5: and he commanded some of the best soldiers in his 60 00:03:16,330 --> 00:03:20,169 S5: army to tie up Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego and throw 61 00:03:20,169 --> 00:03:21,930 S5: them into the furnace of blazing fire. 62 00:03:22,010 --> 00:03:23,730 S3: It doesn't matter how many times you've heard that story. 63 00:03:23,730 --> 00:03:27,370 S3: It's an amazing story and just kind of reliving it 64 00:03:27,370 --> 00:03:30,970 S3: in that moment of this terrible diagnosis. 65 00:03:31,130 --> 00:03:34,570 S5: Then King Nebuchadnezzar jumped up in alarm. He said to 66 00:03:34,610 --> 00:03:39,410 S5: his advisers, didn't we throw three men bound into the fire? Yes, 67 00:03:39,410 --> 00:03:44,010 S5: of course, Your Majesty. They replied to the king. He exclaimed, look! 68 00:03:44,410 --> 00:03:48,130 S5: I see four men not tied walking around in the 69 00:03:48,130 --> 00:03:52,010 S5: fire unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of 70 00:03:52,010 --> 00:03:52,690 S5: the gods. 71 00:03:53,490 --> 00:03:57,840 S3: And then Eddie closes the Bible And Jeremy said, there 72 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:02,279 S3: are four of us in this family, and I just 73 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,760 S3: marvel at the fact that God gave a six year 74 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,240 S3: old eyes to see the Son of God and the 75 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:16,240 S3: fire with us. And that was one of those amazing 76 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:23,520 S3: moments that we just saw God creating this story for us, 77 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,760 S3: that he was going to do us good. It's what 78 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,400 S3: I just told Jeremy, you know, he's going to use 79 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,400 S3: this for good in your life. And here is his 80 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,080 S3: faith being able to see God with us. It was 81 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:38,800 S3: an extraordinary moment that I treasure, that I got to 82 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,680 S3: see a glimpse of God meeting my son in the fire, 83 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,080 S3: that this would turn his world upside down. And I 84 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,240 S3: couldn't control that. And as moms, we want to control that. 85 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,680 S3: But I was seeing God, I'm going to take care 86 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,160 S3: of your son and I'm going to reveal myself to him. 87 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:58,070 S3: Amazing in this scenario. These men, these young men are 88 00:04:58,070 --> 00:05:00,870 S3: doing what's good and right. They're obeying God and putting 89 00:05:00,870 --> 00:05:03,150 S3: their lives on the line. And instead of just being 90 00:05:03,150 --> 00:05:07,029 S3: thrown into the regular furnace, that's going to kill them anyway. 91 00:05:07,790 --> 00:05:14,469 S3: Nebuchadnezzar is so angry at their defying his godship for 92 00:05:14,470 --> 00:05:18,350 S3: their God that he has that furnace heated seven times 93 00:05:18,350 --> 00:05:21,950 S3: the normal heat. And it has been so often my 94 00:05:21,950 --> 00:05:26,430 S3: experience that God does not pave the way with ease. 95 00:05:26,470 --> 00:05:28,030 S3: He makes it harder. 96 00:05:28,310 --> 00:05:31,750 S4: I mean, my mom got the second diagnosis, which was terminal. 97 00:05:32,150 --> 00:05:35,870 S4: It was definitely harder. But God has been with us 98 00:05:35,870 --> 00:05:36,870 S4: each step of the way. 99 00:05:36,870 --> 00:05:42,870 S3: He ups that heat because he's he's making pure gold. 100 00:05:43,470 --> 00:05:45,550 S3: I feel so deeply with Paul when he says, I'm 101 00:05:45,550 --> 00:05:47,550 S3: the chief of sinners. That is what I feel. I 102 00:05:47,589 --> 00:05:49,830 S3: am the chief of sinners. And it's taken a lot 103 00:05:49,830 --> 00:05:53,420 S3: of fire. And I think some people, maybe Maybe they 104 00:05:53,420 --> 00:05:55,940 S3: only need it heated two times or three times, but 105 00:05:56,100 --> 00:05:58,900 S3: with my hard heart and thick skull and I'm slow 106 00:05:58,900 --> 00:06:01,859 S3: to learn like I need that seven times hotter furnace. 107 00:06:01,860 --> 00:06:05,140 S3: And so God has done that. And at times I, 108 00:06:05,180 --> 00:06:09,500 S3: I throw some punches in my spirit, like, why are 109 00:06:09,500 --> 00:06:12,180 S3: you making this harder and harder and hotter and hotter? 110 00:06:12,540 --> 00:06:14,940 S3: And it's so that he can reveal himself with me 111 00:06:14,940 --> 00:06:17,620 S3: and so that he can make me look more like him. 112 00:06:17,860 --> 00:06:20,620 S3: And that is a slow, painful, messy process. This is 113 00:06:20,620 --> 00:06:23,940 S3: not overnight. This is not something that I do well. 114 00:06:24,420 --> 00:06:27,339 S3: I experience this presence and become more like him. 115 00:06:28,660 --> 00:06:31,460 S1: Maybe you are in the middle of that gnarly process 116 00:06:31,460 --> 00:06:36,420 S1: that Colleen has been through. Maybe you are listening today 117 00:06:36,460 --> 00:06:40,580 S1: as the caretaker for somebody who is in a really 118 00:06:40,580 --> 00:06:44,900 S1: difficult valley, I want you to be encouraged by Colleen's 119 00:06:44,900 --> 00:06:47,779 S1: story that was from the film, titled In the Hands 120 00:06:47,779 --> 00:06:51,770 S1: of a Fiercely Tender God produced by Revive Our hearts. 121 00:06:51,770 --> 00:06:55,530 S1: We have a link to it@kris.org. We have a link 122 00:06:55,570 --> 00:06:58,130 S1: to the books that Colleen wrote in these last four 123 00:06:58,130 --> 00:07:00,330 S1: years of her life that we were privileged to tell 124 00:07:00,330 --> 00:07:04,690 S1: you about. Just go to that website, Chris Fabry live.org, 125 00:07:06,089 --> 00:07:08,810 S1: and you can find out more coming up. A work 126 00:07:08,810 --> 00:07:11,850 S1: colleague joins us to tell us how Colleen's life spoke 127 00:07:11,850 --> 00:07:15,010 S1: to her. We're going to hear thoughts from Nancy DeMoss, Wolgemuth, 128 00:07:15,410 --> 00:07:19,170 S1: and Colleen. Sister Katie will join us. It's coming up 129 00:07:19,170 --> 00:07:22,970 S1: straight ahead. This is Chris Fabry live on Moody Radio. 130 00:07:23,170 --> 00:07:34,050 S1: Here's our number 87754836758775483675. More of you A tribute to 131 00:07:34,130 --> 00:07:46,850 S1: Colleen Chow straight ahead on Moody Radio. We are celebrating 132 00:07:46,850 --> 00:07:49,650 S1: the life of Colleen Chow today at the radio backyard fence. 133 00:07:49,650 --> 00:07:53,440 S1: This is Chris Fabry live. Colleen passed away on July 27th, 134 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:55,960 S1: and I want you to hear from a colleague of 135 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,480 S1: hers in the publishing industry. You know, Trillia Newbell is 136 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,600 S1: host of living by Faith here on Moody Radio, but 137 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:08,000 S1: she is also acquisitions and editorial director for Moody Publishers. 138 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,480 S6: Colleen was so dear to me. She was actually one 139 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:18,240 S6: of my first authors that I got to acquire, and 140 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:23,160 S6: she and I built such a sweet friendship over the years. 141 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:27,200 S6: And to be really honest, um, when we first released 142 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:32,760 S6: her book in 2022, her first book, she thought she 143 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,839 S6: only had a year. So she did not think when 144 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,600 S6: we contracted that book in 2021 that she would still 145 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:45,120 S6: be with us. And so it was it's been a remarkable, um, several, 146 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,199 S6: four years of just getting to know her and to 147 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,830 S6: see her faith and how much she truly believed what 148 00:08:51,830 --> 00:08:55,390 S6: she preached, what she wrote, she believed. And it was 149 00:08:55,390 --> 00:08:56,950 S6: it was remarkable. 150 00:08:57,230 --> 00:09:01,710 S1: I remember we had her on in April, and then 151 00:09:01,990 --> 00:09:05,429 S1: because the book was coming out in October, and then 152 00:09:05,429 --> 00:09:07,910 S1: we gave the book away to anyone who gave a gift, 153 00:09:07,950 --> 00:09:11,150 S1: you know, in that October, because we didn't know would 154 00:09:11,150 --> 00:09:14,470 S1: she be here in October? And she didn't know either. 155 00:09:14,470 --> 00:09:17,190 S1: And I think one of the things that I remember 156 00:09:17,190 --> 00:09:20,630 S1: her saying is don't pray for a miracle for me. 157 00:09:20,870 --> 00:09:23,590 S1: I just want this day. I just want this day 158 00:09:23,590 --> 00:09:27,350 S1: to be, you know, all it is that I embrace. 159 00:09:27,350 --> 00:09:29,590 S1: And she lived that way the rest of her life, 160 00:09:29,590 --> 00:09:30,189 S1: didn't she? 161 00:09:30,390 --> 00:09:33,870 S6: She did. And and I have never walked with someone 162 00:09:33,870 --> 00:09:39,150 S6: who is facing eternity like she was where, where any 163 00:09:39,190 --> 00:09:42,070 S6: day could go. And we all know it because we 164 00:09:42,110 --> 00:09:45,230 S6: are all, um, our, our, our days are numbered. All 165 00:09:45,230 --> 00:09:48,620 S6: of us know this. But she, the reality of it, 166 00:09:48,620 --> 00:09:51,660 S6: where she would wake up and she would think, well, 167 00:09:51,700 --> 00:09:54,900 S6: today could be the day that I see Jesus. But 168 00:09:55,059 --> 00:10:02,860 S6: she chose to, um, to embrace that tough mystery, to 169 00:10:03,260 --> 00:10:07,900 S6: embrace the waiting, um, and to love people so well. 170 00:10:07,900 --> 00:10:10,700 S6: She loved her family. She loved her friends. I would 171 00:10:10,700 --> 00:10:15,140 S6: get phone calls from her and she would leave voice messages. 172 00:10:15,340 --> 00:10:19,340 S6: That would be all encouragement. She wanted me to be 173 00:10:19,340 --> 00:10:23,220 S6: built up in her sorrow and suffering. She was always 174 00:10:23,220 --> 00:10:27,380 S6: thinking of others. And that meant something to me. It, 175 00:10:27,420 --> 00:10:31,260 S6: it taught me in many ways, um, to, to be 176 00:10:31,300 --> 00:10:35,140 S6: others focused and to see people, to see people where 177 00:10:35,140 --> 00:10:35,700 S6: they are. 178 00:10:35,940 --> 00:10:39,780 S1: And she wasn't in it for the best seller, you know, 179 00:10:40,260 --> 00:10:43,140 S1: though she wanted the, the books to sell. Well, she 180 00:10:43,140 --> 00:10:46,060 S1: wanted people to read her writing and what she was 181 00:10:46,210 --> 00:10:49,930 S1: working through. But there was a there was a bigger 182 00:10:49,929 --> 00:10:52,410 S1: call on her life, and it was just to be 183 00:10:52,410 --> 00:10:54,770 S1: faithful with what God had given her. Right. 184 00:10:55,130 --> 00:10:59,570 S6: Absolutely. Yes. Her heart and desire. I don't even think 185 00:10:59,570 --> 00:11:03,449 S6: the idea of best seller would have come into her mind. 186 00:11:03,490 --> 00:11:08,489 S6: She really was hoping to. And desiring to serve people, 187 00:11:08,490 --> 00:11:11,650 S6: serve people where they are, to remind people of Jesus, 188 00:11:11,650 --> 00:11:15,730 S6: to remind people of heaven to to remind people of 189 00:11:15,770 --> 00:11:20,410 S6: eternity and. And so that we might fix our eyes 190 00:11:20,410 --> 00:11:23,010 S6: on the person we will be worshiping for the rest 191 00:11:23,010 --> 00:11:26,849 S6: of our lives for eternity. And so, um, so she 192 00:11:27,290 --> 00:11:30,770 S6: did not think about book sales. I don't even think 193 00:11:30,770 --> 00:11:34,090 S6: she ever asked me. She never once asked me about 194 00:11:34,090 --> 00:11:39,329 S6: her book sales. Um, but she was curious and about, um, 195 00:11:39,490 --> 00:11:43,050 S6: how people were going to be served. And so her hope, 196 00:11:43,090 --> 00:11:48,559 S6: her desire was to write well, write clearly, write faithfully, 197 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,520 S6: and to serve others. And. And that was her hope. 198 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,200 S6: And that's her desire and her words will. And have 199 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,640 S6: served so many people. And we are grateful. 200 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,320 S3: I was steeping in this scripture this morning as I 201 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:01,679 S3: laid in bed. It's hard for me to get out 202 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,560 S3: of bed in the mornings. And so I listened to 203 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,680 S3: my audio Bible. I was listening through the Psalms, and 204 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:11,240 S3: Psalm 36, um says how priceless your faithful love is. God. 205 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,800 S3: People take refuge in the shadow of your wings. They're 206 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,960 S3: filled from the abundance of your house. You let them 207 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:21,040 S3: drink from your refreshing stream, for the well-spring of life 208 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,680 S3: is with you by means of your light. We see 209 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:29,040 S3: light and that idea of drinking from a refreshing stream. 210 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,840 S3: That's not a hurried thing, you know, that's it's abiding. 211 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:38,760 S3: It's abundant. It's, um, it's restful. It's, it's this idea 212 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:46,069 S3: of my soul can experience God's love and wickedness. As 213 00:12:46,070 --> 00:12:49,270 S3: I drink from His Word, I have to stay in 214 00:12:49,270 --> 00:12:53,110 S3: His Word and engage with him in that. And so, um, 215 00:12:53,150 --> 00:12:55,390 S3: those are the songs I'm drawn to and the poems 216 00:12:55,390 --> 00:12:59,550 S3: I'm drawn to are those that talk about, um, that 217 00:12:59,550 --> 00:13:03,790 S3: nearness and beauty of experiencing Jesus in the waiting. 218 00:13:05,230 --> 00:13:08,470 S1: I love what D.L. Moody said one day you'll hear that, 219 00:13:08,510 --> 00:13:10,950 S1: you know Moody is dead. Don't you believe it? Because 220 00:13:10,950 --> 00:13:13,030 S1: I'll be more alive than than I've ever been. 221 00:13:13,070 --> 00:13:14,069 S3: Oh, yes. Yes. 222 00:13:14,110 --> 00:13:15,390 S1: Do you agree with that? 223 00:13:15,790 --> 00:13:20,510 S3: Absolutely. I feel like, you know, we it's it's that 224 00:13:20,510 --> 00:13:25,870 S3: seeing dimly reality of we feel things. I think it 225 00:13:25,870 --> 00:13:28,630 S3: was C.S. Lewis who said, we haven't seen colors yet. 226 00:13:28,670 --> 00:13:30,590 S3: You know, all these things are just going to burst 227 00:13:30,590 --> 00:13:34,550 S3: into a life we can't fathom, um, for how we're 228 00:13:34,550 --> 00:13:37,670 S3: experiencing life here. So yeah. Oh, absolutely. 229 00:13:37,830 --> 00:13:40,870 S1: You, you just name drop see that Lewis is another 230 00:13:40,870 --> 00:13:42,310 S1: person that you're going to want to see when you 231 00:13:42,420 --> 00:13:46,340 S1: get to heaven, you know. 100% go up. Hey, hey, 232 00:13:46,420 --> 00:13:50,660 S1: CS Clive, let me ask you. But you Spurgeon, you 233 00:13:50,660 --> 00:13:53,500 S1: talked about Spurgeon. We read Anne Steele. What is it 234 00:13:53,500 --> 00:13:57,220 S1: about Spurgeon's life that really touched you? There's another one 235 00:13:57,220 --> 00:13:58,179 S1: with suffering, right? 236 00:13:58,220 --> 00:14:03,939 S3: Yeah. Spurgeon. Um, he understood deep bouts with depression. And 237 00:14:03,940 --> 00:14:09,780 S3: that's part of my history, um, big cycles of deep depression. 238 00:14:09,780 --> 00:14:15,059 S3: And he, the way he treated that was so beautiful. 239 00:14:15,059 --> 00:14:18,500 S3: I think we're weird about depression sometimes. And he just, 240 00:14:18,860 --> 00:14:22,940 S3: he let it drive him to Jesus and he taught me, 241 00:14:22,980 --> 00:14:24,940 S3: he has taught me so much about that. And then 242 00:14:24,940 --> 00:14:29,980 S3: his own chronic illness, um, the suffering he had physically, um, 243 00:14:29,980 --> 00:14:33,820 S3: and then the criticism he faced from, you know, different 244 00:14:34,180 --> 00:14:37,220 S3: other pastors who did not like him and saw him 245 00:14:37,220 --> 00:14:41,450 S3: as competition and just, he, he just was a man of. 246 00:14:41,610 --> 00:14:43,970 S3: He was a lover of Jesus and all these things 247 00:14:43,970 --> 00:14:47,770 S3: that God allowed in his life. Um, he let you know, 248 00:14:47,850 --> 00:14:50,410 S3: dash him against the Rock of ages. One of his quotes. 249 00:14:50,410 --> 00:14:53,050 S3: So I'm just so grateful for him and his example. 250 00:14:53,410 --> 00:14:55,130 S1: One of the things we didn't get to talk about 251 00:14:55,130 --> 00:14:58,730 S1: on the program, um, was, and you know, you talk 252 00:14:58,770 --> 00:15:01,770 S1: about the nitty gritty details of life and the struggles, 253 00:15:01,770 --> 00:15:05,850 S1: but I was captivated by this. Uh, I can't remember 254 00:15:05,850 --> 00:15:09,770 S1: the last time I enjoyed food without complications. Decades of 255 00:15:09,770 --> 00:15:13,370 S1: food intolerances and allergies and the side effects of cancer 256 00:15:13,370 --> 00:15:17,650 S1: treatments have made food a daily struggle for me. And 257 00:15:17,650 --> 00:15:20,370 S1: that's one of the things that I'm looking forward for 258 00:15:20,370 --> 00:15:22,610 S1: you about heaven, is that you're not going to have 259 00:15:22,610 --> 00:15:24,130 S1: to worry about that, right? 260 00:15:24,170 --> 00:15:28,010 S3: No more food issues. Yeah, it's such a complicated thing here, 261 00:15:28,010 --> 00:15:29,890 S3: but I can't wait. And my son has a lot 262 00:15:29,890 --> 00:15:32,090 S3: of the same issues. And so we'll tell each other 263 00:15:32,090 --> 00:15:36,210 S3: when we're really like, especially around the holidays. It's just crazy. Um, 264 00:15:36,210 --> 00:15:40,440 S3: but we'll say in heaven, we're going to gonna be feasting, 265 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,920 S3: and I think we'll appreciate it even more because of 266 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,000 S3: what we've done with out here. So yeah. Can't wait. 267 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,680 S1: I like that sass. See, I couldn't see you when 268 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,240 S1: we were. And there's that sass that you're just using that, uh, 269 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:55,760 S1: that Colleen Chow sass. How is your relationship with your son? 270 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,080 S1: How is that? Because three and a half years ago, 271 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,800 S1: you started writing him letters. And, you know, there was 272 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,200 S1: the video that was done. So how's that going at 14? 273 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,520 S1: He's 14. Can you believe he is? 274 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,440 S3: I can't believe it. And he when I first was diagnosed, 275 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,400 S3: he was nine, about to turn ten. And I can't 276 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,240 S3: believe when I on his birthdays I marvel. But to 277 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:22,240 S3: see him turn 14 and sprout and he. The conversations 278 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,400 S3: we have, he just loves Jesus. He loves Jesus and 279 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,840 S3: he loves his word. And so we talk these deep 280 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:33,040 S3: theological talks and it's extraordinary. And I don't know what 281 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,360 S3: his future holds. You know, like, I don't mean that 282 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,910 S3: he's perfect by any stretch. He his His path is 283 00:16:38,910 --> 00:16:40,670 S3: going to be messy like the rest of ours, but 284 00:16:40,910 --> 00:16:44,710 S3: he is, um, he is a joy, this beautiful soul 285 00:16:44,710 --> 00:16:47,710 S3: on loan to me. And he's God's, he's God's. I 286 00:16:47,750 --> 00:16:50,790 S3: can trust God with him. But, um, we laugh every day. 287 00:16:51,110 --> 00:16:55,630 S3: That kid is a blast. So grateful to see. 288 00:16:56,030 --> 00:16:57,670 S1: That's what you said at the end of the program 289 00:16:57,670 --> 00:16:59,390 S1: that that on the day that you die, you hope 290 00:16:59,390 --> 00:17:02,430 S1: you will laugh. And I said, I can't, I can't 291 00:17:02,430 --> 00:17:05,750 S1: imagine you not, you know, because we've, we've had these 292 00:17:05,750 --> 00:17:11,830 S1: conversations and there's that just that genuine, authentic chuckle, you know, from, 293 00:17:11,830 --> 00:17:15,510 S1: from the belly, uh, that that's, that's going to happen. 294 00:17:15,510 --> 00:17:21,350 S1: But I and the program, um, on that Wednesday, there 295 00:17:21,350 --> 00:17:24,590 S1: was something about it to me and we're recording this 296 00:17:24,590 --> 00:17:27,030 S1: right after it. So I haven't fully processed. I'm a 297 00:17:27,030 --> 00:17:29,670 S1: slow processor, but there was something about it. There was 298 00:17:29,670 --> 00:17:35,350 S1: something free and genuine and, and full of life. I 299 00:17:35,510 --> 00:17:38,540 S1: think of that John 1010. Abundant life you brought to 300 00:17:38,580 --> 00:17:39,260 S1: us that day. 301 00:17:41,060 --> 00:17:44,820 S3: I think the more I've sensed this too, and what 302 00:17:44,820 --> 00:17:47,980 S3: I have to stop and remember sometimes is not to 303 00:17:48,020 --> 00:17:51,540 S3: jump to what God has done over a long period 304 00:17:51,540 --> 00:17:57,859 S3: of time because the process is gnarly. Um, but there are, 305 00:17:58,820 --> 00:18:02,980 S3: there are moments in this journey that are very free 306 00:18:03,780 --> 00:18:08,340 S3: and full of joy. And then, then we'll plunge again. 307 00:18:08,340 --> 00:18:11,100 S3: And it's kind of like, hold on, hold on for 308 00:18:11,100 --> 00:18:14,420 S3: life here. Um, but the last few weeks have been 309 00:18:14,420 --> 00:18:19,980 S3: free and just so, so sweet and hard. They're always hard. 310 00:18:20,020 --> 00:18:23,260 S3: It's really hard. Um, but sometimes God just gives an 311 00:18:23,260 --> 00:18:26,180 S3: extra dose. I think of I'm going to let you 312 00:18:26,180 --> 00:18:30,540 S3: experience even more joy and life right now. Um, and 313 00:18:30,540 --> 00:18:33,340 S3: it's a sweet, it helps us endure for the next 314 00:18:33,340 --> 00:18:35,699 S3: plunge of, of really, really hard. 315 00:18:35,770 --> 00:18:38,609 S1: So there was something in the book, though, where you 316 00:18:38,650 --> 00:18:44,050 S1: went into you'll hear these whispers or you'll begin to think, um, yeah, 317 00:18:44,050 --> 00:18:46,170 S1: but I'm going to miss this. Yeah. But I won't 318 00:18:46,170 --> 00:18:49,410 S1: get to be there when. And that can send you 319 00:18:49,410 --> 00:18:52,369 S1: down that, uh, down that road. Right? 320 00:18:52,690 --> 00:18:56,369 S3: Absolutely. And it's weird. Grief is grief is a beast. 321 00:18:56,369 --> 00:18:58,969 S3: And it just catches you in the strangest places. I 322 00:18:58,970 --> 00:19:01,610 S3: can have my hands in a sink full of dishes 323 00:19:01,609 --> 00:19:06,130 S3: and all of a sudden, bam! You know, I'm just, um. 324 00:19:06,170 --> 00:19:10,209 S3: But it could be when Jeremy talks about his children someday, 325 00:19:10,210 --> 00:19:13,050 S3: and I, you know, will just quietly. I try not to, 326 00:19:13,730 --> 00:19:17,570 S3: you know, let him enter into that moment of grief 327 00:19:17,570 --> 00:19:20,850 S3: with me at that moment. Um, so I hide those tears, 328 00:19:20,850 --> 00:19:23,850 S3: but little tears will trickle down my cheeks. Like I 329 00:19:23,850 --> 00:19:27,330 S3: don't get to see his kids, you know? And, um, 330 00:19:27,770 --> 00:19:30,250 S3: so those are the moments where I just go, God, 331 00:19:30,290 --> 00:19:33,609 S3: there is something bigger and better and you are worth it. 332 00:19:33,609 --> 00:19:37,800 S3: But it's hard. The grief can be pretty brutal sometimes, 333 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,639 S3: but that's where we meet him. He joins us there. 334 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,480 S3: I think a grief is an invitation to experience him 335 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,000 S3: in a very unique way. Um, so I'm grateful. 336 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,960 S1: Grateful for. We don't want lament. I want smooth sailing. 337 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,480 S1: I want ease, and that's why I love control. You know, 338 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,359 S1: because we talked about control is like, if I can and, 339 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,440 S1: and I've said this on the program, it's like if 340 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:05,000 S1: I get overcharged by $0.10, you know, at the at 341 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,040 S1: the store, if I go back, spend $3 in gas, 342 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,639 S1: you know, to get that right. It's like there I would, 343 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,520 S1: I made it just, I know, I know that's. 344 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:15,320 S3: I know that's. 345 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,200 S1: That's not it, you know, but, but okay, you know, 346 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,160 S1: Lord and, and here's the other thing, the surrender that 347 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,280 S1: you're talking about. Because when you truly believe in the 348 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,920 S1: sovereignty of God, that he does have this, it doesn't 349 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,870 S1: make it doesn't make everything go, you know, like you 350 00:20:33,869 --> 00:20:39,550 S1: planned or it doesn't sav every, uh, lament that you have, 351 00:20:39,950 --> 00:20:42,910 S1: but it gives you another opportunity to put that in 352 00:20:42,910 --> 00:20:44,190 S1: his hand, right? 353 00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:47,230 S3: That's a beautiful way to say it. It is another opportunity, 354 00:20:47,230 --> 00:20:50,350 S3: I think. Yes. I think that word is a key 355 00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:55,270 S3: word for this whole journey is opportunity. Um, to experience 356 00:20:55,270 --> 00:21:00,070 S3: more of him. It's usually an invitation into more of Jesus. Right. So, um, 357 00:21:00,109 --> 00:21:03,950 S3: but yeah, I, that has been a long, crazy journey 358 00:21:03,950 --> 00:21:08,070 S3: for me to let go. I'm a type a ambitious, driven, 359 00:21:08,109 --> 00:21:10,990 S3: do all the things, you know, girl. And so to 360 00:21:11,030 --> 00:21:14,869 S3: just do this while, like I said on the program 361 00:21:14,869 --> 00:21:18,830 S3: while I still work hard, that's a weird mix. That's a, 362 00:21:19,230 --> 00:21:21,909 S3: that's basically parenting in a nutshell. But it's a lot 363 00:21:21,910 --> 00:21:25,229 S3: of other things too, right? You labor, you, you bleed 364 00:21:25,230 --> 00:21:28,310 S3: out for things, but then you just go, God, you 365 00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:30,710 S3: can use it however you want. You know, like that's 366 00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:33,740 S3: in your hands. That's not mine. That's hard. But it's 367 00:21:33,740 --> 00:21:35,300 S3: a good, good, good pursuit. 368 00:21:36,180 --> 00:21:39,020 S1: That was from a video that Colleen Chao and I recorded. 369 00:21:39,020 --> 00:21:42,219 S1: After one of our conversations. She wrote a number of 370 00:21:42,220 --> 00:21:45,700 S1: books on our way home, in the hands of fiercely 371 00:21:45,700 --> 00:21:49,459 S1: Tender God Out of the Shadow World, which was a 372 00:21:49,500 --> 00:21:54,180 S1: novel for children and adults. Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth had a 373 00:21:54,180 --> 00:21:57,300 S1: special relationship with Colleen, and I want you to hear 374 00:21:57,300 --> 00:22:01,380 S1: a little bit of Nancy's ending to revive our hearts 375 00:22:01,380 --> 00:22:07,060 S1: from yesterday's program, a masterpiece. These words, I think, give 376 00:22:07,060 --> 00:22:11,940 S1: us a peek into a friend's view of Colleen, her priorities, 377 00:22:11,940 --> 00:22:15,700 S1: the comfort that she gave somebody walking through a time 378 00:22:15,740 --> 00:22:19,940 S1: of struggle, and then the glimpse of eternity that she 379 00:22:19,940 --> 00:22:22,340 S1: has provided us. Here's Nancy. 380 00:22:23,540 --> 00:22:26,060 S7: Colleen has been a dear friend to me over the 381 00:22:26,060 --> 00:22:29,620 S7: course of many years. I rejoice for her to be 382 00:22:29,660 --> 00:22:33,890 S7: finally free from the excruciating pain she was in, especially 383 00:22:33,890 --> 00:22:37,250 S7: during the final months of her life. But I'm going 384 00:22:37,290 --> 00:22:41,330 S7: to miss her greatly. Over the past several months. She's 385 00:22:41,330 --> 00:22:44,570 S7: reached out many times to weep with me and to 386 00:22:44,609 --> 00:22:49,210 S7: encourage me in the loss of my beloved husband. We've 387 00:22:49,210 --> 00:22:54,010 S7: communicated a lot, mostly through texts and voice messages about 388 00:22:54,010 --> 00:22:57,050 S7: the hope and the joy that are awaiting us in heaven. 389 00:22:58,050 --> 00:23:02,050 S7: I'll never forget Colleen's incredible kindness to me, even as 390 00:23:02,050 --> 00:23:07,090 S7: she was in hospice, facing intense pain and death. I've 391 00:23:07,090 --> 00:23:11,090 S7: been touched by her perception as she drew closer and 392 00:23:11,090 --> 00:23:17,210 S7: closer to heaven. Colleen loved writing poetry. She sent me 393 00:23:17,250 --> 00:23:22,010 S7: one several weeks ago that she wrote. June 6th, 2026. 394 00:23:22,330 --> 00:23:26,330 S7: It's called My Life's Twilight. And here's just the last 395 00:23:26,330 --> 00:23:30,760 S7: stanza she wrote. So death wields its sting for a 396 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:35,240 S7: brief moment more. Till life swallows it up. And glory 397 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,080 S7: makes up for all this pain and heartache a million fold. 398 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:45,960 S7: With pleasures in your presence and joys untold. That's written 399 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,720 S7: by a woman who knew she was so close to 400 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:53,399 S7: seeing Jesus a few weeks ago. I texted Colleen a 401 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,639 S7: poem that said to be the Dying Prayer of the 402 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:03,200 S7: Puritan pastor, Richard Baxter. Here's just a part of that prayer. Come, Lord. 403 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,439 S7: When grace has made me meet thy blessed face to see. 404 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,240 S7: For if thy work on earth be sweet, what will 405 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,919 S7: thy glory be? Then I shall end my sad complaints 406 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:20,800 S7: and weary sinful days. And join with the triumphant saints 407 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:27,120 S7: that sing my Savior's praise. I texted Colleen soon we 408 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,350 S7: too shall join with the triumphant saints that sing our 409 00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:36,310 S7: Savior's praise. What glory that will be. I said I'm 410 00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:42,550 S7: crying now. Thinking of you with my precious Robert. Singing 411 00:24:42,550 --> 00:24:47,909 S7: his praise. Those of us left behind for now. Long 412 00:24:47,950 --> 00:24:51,150 S7: to join you before the throne. When he calls us home. 413 00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:57,750 S7: It won't be long. Heaven rules. Jesus is near. I 414 00:24:57,750 --> 00:25:02,110 S7: love you so, dear friend. I'll see you in the morning. 415 00:25:06,350 --> 00:25:10,030 S1: Straight from the heart of Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth. That was 416 00:25:10,030 --> 00:25:13,389 S1: the end of the program yesterday on Revive Our Hearts. 417 00:25:13,390 --> 00:25:16,190 S1: We have a link at their website where you can 418 00:25:16,190 --> 00:25:18,430 S1: hear that program, and you can see the film in 419 00:25:18,430 --> 00:25:22,190 S1: the hands of a fiercely tender God about Colleen and 420 00:25:22,190 --> 00:25:27,540 S1: her family. You'll see Eddie, you'll see Jeremy Coming up. 421 00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:32,180 S1: She called Colleen. Sis, you're going to hear from her. 422 00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:37,020 S1: And don't miss Colleen's prayer for you. That is coming 423 00:25:37,020 --> 00:25:40,300 S1: up straight ahead. Before we end today on Chris Fabry 424 00:25:40,300 --> 00:25:47,540 S1: Live online, Chris Fabry, live.org. We're celebrating the life, the love, 425 00:25:47,540 --> 00:25:52,260 S1: the ministry, the faith of Colleen Chow today, the radio 426 00:25:52,260 --> 00:26:08,700 S1: backyard fence. Colleen Chow is no longer on her way home. 427 00:26:08,700 --> 00:26:12,379 S1: She is home. And if you go to chris.org, you'll 428 00:26:12,380 --> 00:26:15,540 S1: see a lot of links, a lot of resources about 429 00:26:15,540 --> 00:26:19,020 S1: her and from her. I am grateful for those who, 430 00:26:19,020 --> 00:26:22,100 S1: for the last four years supported this program. You're hearing 431 00:26:22,100 --> 00:26:25,850 S1: Colleen's voice today because of that support. So if you'd 432 00:26:25,850 --> 00:26:29,090 S1: like to contribute the best way, go to Chris Fabry live.org. 433 00:26:29,130 --> 00:26:31,369 S1: You'll see how you can be a partner. Give a 434 00:26:31,410 --> 00:26:33,490 S1: gift each month. You can give a one time gift 435 00:26:33,490 --> 00:26:36,010 S1: that helps us out a whole lot. Go to Chris 436 00:26:36,010 --> 00:26:41,170 S1: fabry.org or call 866995 Fabry or. Thank you. This month 437 00:26:41,170 --> 00:26:43,729 S1: is for parents who have some kind of relationship struggle 438 00:26:43,730 --> 00:26:47,970 S1: with their adult children. If that's right down your alley 439 00:26:48,130 --> 00:26:57,090 S1: of interest to you, click through chris.org or call (866) 953-2279. 440 00:26:57,690 --> 00:27:01,330 S1: We called her Colleen. She called her sis. Her name 441 00:27:01,330 --> 00:27:04,890 S1: is Katie Colon, and she's the much younger sister of 442 00:27:04,890 --> 00:27:08,409 S1: Colleen Chao. Katie, thank you for spending a few minutes 443 00:27:08,410 --> 00:27:10,410 S1: with us to talk about Sis today. 444 00:27:11,850 --> 00:27:14,450 S8: It is an honor to be here. Thanks for the invitation, Chris. 445 00:27:14,890 --> 00:27:17,690 S1: You told me before we went on here that you 446 00:27:17,690 --> 00:27:20,250 S1: and you would talk with Colleen about interviews that she 447 00:27:20,250 --> 00:27:23,530 S1: would do and. And that it feels like you're coming 448 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,440 S1: home here with us to to have a conversation at 449 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:27,520 S1: the back fence, right? 450 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:33,200 S8: Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, Colleen loved everybody here and just 451 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,680 S8: always loved opportunities to talk about the Jesus that she 452 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,440 S8: loved so much. Um, and she loved doing that here. 453 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,840 S8: And so when you reached out, it was a little 454 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,000 S8: bit of a no brainer to be in a space 455 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,720 S8: that she loved and, um, with people that she loved 456 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,000 S8: and just be able to talk and remember her together. 457 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:53,840 S1: I'm so sorry of, of her loss. And it's, it's different. 458 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,520 S1: You told me there's a word that you've used a 459 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,560 S1: lot around your family. Surreal. Tell me about that. 460 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,879 S8: Absolutely. I mean, you know, even it was mentioned a 461 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,959 S8: couple times already earlier, I think Tricia mentioned, you know, 462 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,800 S8: we didn't think that we would have five years. Um, 463 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,199 S8: that first year especially, uh, it seemed that it would, 464 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:14,960 S8: it would be a surprise if she made it through 465 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,520 S8: that year. Um, and so it has been a surreal 466 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,990 S8: five years. Um, kind of every, every day is not 467 00:28:22,990 --> 00:28:26,630 S8: a given. And it's not for any of us. But, um, 468 00:28:26,670 --> 00:28:31,110 S8: it was especially real, um, for her. Um, and so 469 00:28:31,109 --> 00:28:33,030 S8: the last five years have been odd and surreal. And 470 00:28:33,030 --> 00:28:37,030 S8: then that surreal feeling has, um, just manifested in a 471 00:28:37,030 --> 00:28:41,230 S8: different way with her actually, um, being home. Um, and 472 00:28:41,230 --> 00:28:44,670 S8: so definitely elements of reality in it and then moments 473 00:28:44,670 --> 00:28:46,550 S8: in which it's just hard to compute. 474 00:28:47,070 --> 00:28:49,870 S1: Yeah. I feel, I feel that it's like it doesn't 475 00:28:49,870 --> 00:28:55,350 S1: feel real yet, but it is. And I know it is. Um, what, 476 00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:58,470 S1: what did her journey over the last few years or 477 00:28:58,510 --> 00:29:01,270 S1: even her life, just looking back at it from when 478 00:29:01,270 --> 00:29:04,550 S1: you were born until today. How did Colleen affect you? 479 00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:08,470 S8: Uh, we don't we don't have enough time for all 480 00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:12,709 S8: of that, but, um, yeah, I mean, she, she was 481 00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:15,430 S8: 17 years older than me. Um, and so that's a 482 00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:19,110 S8: really unique older sister relationship. You know, I just absolutely 483 00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:21,460 S8: adored her and looked up to her in so many 484 00:29:21,460 --> 00:29:25,220 S8: ways for the duration of my life. Um, and she, 485 00:29:25,260 --> 00:29:28,300 S8: and she allowed that, you know, she, she allowed a 486 00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:31,660 S8: tag along kid sister, um, in so many spaces in 487 00:29:31,660 --> 00:29:34,900 S8: her life. Um, and I think, I think the beauty 488 00:29:34,900 --> 00:29:38,460 S8: of being able to watch her life for so long, 489 00:29:38,500 --> 00:29:41,100 S8: as you know, we mentioned, we mentioned this before, Chris, 490 00:29:41,260 --> 00:29:44,740 S8: everything comes back to love for her. Um, and when 491 00:29:44,740 --> 00:29:47,740 S8: I think about the impact that she's had on me, um, 492 00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:50,380 S8: you know, we could, we could talk about it a 493 00:29:50,380 --> 00:29:54,220 S8: thousand ways to Sunday, but it always comes back to love. Um, 494 00:29:54,540 --> 00:29:59,580 S8: and her, uh, really encouraging me and inspiring me, um, 495 00:29:59,620 --> 00:30:03,180 S8: to love deeply and to love those around me. Um, 496 00:30:03,180 --> 00:30:06,300 S8: and to love when it's hard and it's complicated. Um, 497 00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:10,260 S8: and to love Jesus with your heart, soul, mind and strength. Um, 498 00:30:10,460 --> 00:30:13,420 S8: and even when it is the absolute hardest and the 499 00:30:13,420 --> 00:30:18,820 S8: absolute darkest and the, the midnight hours of life, um, to, 500 00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:21,770 S8: to love with everything. And I got to see the 501 00:30:21,770 --> 00:30:25,450 S8: fruit of that in her life. Um, and I got to, um, 502 00:30:25,770 --> 00:30:27,490 S8: you know, I joke that I have done a lot 503 00:30:27,490 --> 00:30:30,250 S8: of copy pasting of her life and going that that 504 00:30:30,250 --> 00:30:32,330 S8: seems like something I should do. Can you show me 505 00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:34,210 S8: how you did that? And can I copy and paste 506 00:30:34,210 --> 00:30:36,810 S8: that in my life? Um, but it always comes back 507 00:30:36,810 --> 00:30:37,770 S8: to love with her. 508 00:30:38,050 --> 00:30:38,530 S3: Yeah. 509 00:30:39,130 --> 00:30:41,490 S1: I want to play her voice. I asked her a 510 00:30:41,490 --> 00:30:44,050 S1: question during one of our conversations. What do you hope 511 00:30:44,050 --> 00:30:47,170 S1: to be doing on the day you die? And that 512 00:30:47,170 --> 00:30:50,610 S1: sounds like a morbid question, but I could ask her anything. 513 00:30:50,610 --> 00:30:52,970 S1: I could talk about anything. And colleagues, I'm. 514 00:30:52,970 --> 00:30:53,410 S9: There with you. 515 00:30:53,970 --> 00:30:56,610 S1: So here's here's her answer to that question. 516 00:30:57,130 --> 00:31:00,010 S3: I have prayed that I will still be able to 517 00:31:00,050 --> 00:31:03,610 S3: laugh and have so much joy and live from the 518 00:31:03,610 --> 00:31:06,130 S3: heart Jesus has given me, and I know the end 519 00:31:06,370 --> 00:31:08,330 S3: is going to be. You know, if it's not a 520 00:31:08,330 --> 00:31:11,530 S3: car accident before cancer takes me, uh, it's going to 521 00:31:11,530 --> 00:31:15,770 S3: be a pretty rough end. Um, and yeah, pretty grueling 522 00:31:15,770 --> 00:31:19,840 S3: for everyone involved. So I have prayed that the way 523 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:25,520 S3: that I die will show the glory and faithfulness of Jesus. Um, 524 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:30,080 S3: and his love for everyone that's there with me. Um, 525 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,960 S3: and I just, I, I hope I can laugh and 526 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:33,880 S3: have a little joy. 527 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,920 S1: Yeah. Okay. So Katie, did that happen? 528 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,719 S8: You know, I heard, I heard someone say, uh, one time, 529 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:48,000 S8: you know, about facing death, uh, with, with Jesus's presence, uh, 530 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,120 S8: you either get healed or you get healed, right? Um, 531 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,880 S8: you're either healed here or healed on the other side. Um, 532 00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:00,959 S8: and the end was really brutal for sis. Um, you know, 533 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,160 S8: those who have walked cancer all the way to the end, uh, they, 534 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,280 S8: they know there's no, there's no shortcuts left at that time. 535 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,080 S8: And so, um, she, she really suffered a lot in 536 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,440 S8: those last weeks. Um, and so she wasn't cognizant enough 537 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,390 S8: to be able to be laughing at the end and 538 00:32:17,670 --> 00:32:19,790 S8: laughter even hurt during the last months because of the 539 00:32:19,790 --> 00:32:22,790 S8: way the cancer was growing in her body. Um, she 540 00:32:22,790 --> 00:32:26,790 S8: she wasn't able to physically laugh. Um, but she still 541 00:32:26,790 --> 00:32:30,430 S8: had her snark and, uh, you know, she, she, at 542 00:32:30,430 --> 00:32:33,470 S8: one point I was giving her some of the medicine 543 00:32:33,470 --> 00:32:35,670 S8: at the, you know, in some of the last days. 544 00:32:35,910 --> 00:32:39,310 S8: And she, um, you know, she, she pretended to be 545 00:32:39,310 --> 00:32:41,910 S8: asleep to avoid the dose of medicine just to mess 546 00:32:41,910 --> 00:32:43,989 S8: with me. And I said, she just closed her eyes. 547 00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:45,590 S8: When I came over with the medicine, I said, are 548 00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:47,990 S8: you really pretending to be asleep right now? And she, 549 00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:49,709 S8: in the corner of her mouth just quirked up. You know, 550 00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:52,070 S8: she couldn't couldn't smile and struggle to talk and everything, 551 00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:55,270 S8: but she couldn't laugh, but she could still smile. And, um. 552 00:32:55,270 --> 00:32:58,150 S8: And I just busted out laughing, you know, almost laughing 553 00:32:58,150 --> 00:32:59,950 S8: on her behalf. And then she opened her eyes and 554 00:32:59,950 --> 00:33:02,270 S8: just looked at me. And so she still had that. 555 00:33:02,270 --> 00:33:05,230 S8: She still had that humor. She, you know, physically couldn't laugh, 556 00:33:05,230 --> 00:33:08,750 S8: but she still had that snark and that sass. And, um, 557 00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:11,030 S8: you know, on the, on the day that she passed, 558 00:33:11,070 --> 00:33:13,390 S8: she wasn't able to pass with laughter, but she passed 559 00:33:13,390 --> 00:33:17,340 S8: in two laughter. Um, Um, and I know that, uh, 560 00:33:17,380 --> 00:33:21,260 S8: maybe that laughter wasn't able to be here on this side. Um, 561 00:33:21,260 --> 00:33:23,140 S8: but I know without a doubt that that's what she 562 00:33:23,140 --> 00:33:26,460 S8: passed into. And so there was laughter. It's just not 563 00:33:26,460 --> 00:33:28,620 S8: laughter that we were able to see at the end there. 564 00:33:29,420 --> 00:33:31,460 S1: Did you have a last conversation? 565 00:33:33,660 --> 00:33:37,860 S8: You know, uh, it's so interesting because we had five 566 00:33:37,900 --> 00:33:43,020 S8: years of last conversations. Um, and when the next day 567 00:33:43,020 --> 00:33:46,620 S8: is not guaranteed, you, you kind of live with the 568 00:33:46,620 --> 00:33:50,020 S8: reality that every, every conversation might be the last, every 569 00:33:50,020 --> 00:33:53,420 S8: goodbye to head home after dinner might be the last. Um, 570 00:33:54,380 --> 00:33:57,780 S8: and at the end, you know, we talked and, and um, 571 00:33:58,220 --> 00:34:01,219 S8: a few months before she passed, um, she was like, 572 00:34:01,220 --> 00:34:04,620 S8: I don't want to say goodbye. Um, you know, and, 573 00:34:04,620 --> 00:34:06,900 S8: and we knew that it was goodbye, but we just 574 00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:09,259 S8: kind of had an agreement to not, not say that 575 00:34:09,260 --> 00:34:14,649 S8: final goodbye. Um, one of the last goodbyes and on 576 00:34:14,650 --> 00:34:17,450 S8: a visit before I caught a plane home. Um, we 577 00:34:17,489 --> 00:34:20,770 S8: didn't say goodbye. We just started, um, quoting scripture to 578 00:34:20,810 --> 00:34:25,210 S8: one another and, um, she was quoting from Isaiah and 579 00:34:25,210 --> 00:34:30,969 S8: Revelation and, um, I was remembering lines from Psalm 126, um, 580 00:34:31,010 --> 00:34:32,810 S8: where it says that, you know, when the Lord restored 581 00:34:32,810 --> 00:34:35,609 S8: the fortunes of Zion, we were like ones who dream 582 00:34:36,090 --> 00:34:39,370 S8: and those who sow with tears, going along, weeping with 583 00:34:39,370 --> 00:34:42,450 S8: a bag of seed, will come back with shouts of joy, um, 584 00:34:42,489 --> 00:34:47,290 S8: carrying the sheaves. And, um, we just quoted those promises 585 00:34:47,290 --> 00:34:50,850 S8: to one another. Um, and it wasn't our last conversation. Um, 586 00:34:50,850 --> 00:34:53,170 S8: but it was, it was a significant one to be 587 00:34:53,210 --> 00:34:56,370 S8: able to look at one another and remind one another 588 00:34:56,370 --> 00:35:00,209 S8: of the promises that we're carrying. Um, and, uh, and 589 00:35:00,210 --> 00:35:02,890 S8: the reality that we were both clinging to of the 590 00:35:02,890 --> 00:35:04,650 S8: truth of Christ in the midst of it. 591 00:35:05,969 --> 00:35:11,690 S1: Her journey was public. And I never felt like even 592 00:35:11,690 --> 00:35:14,959 S1: though she, you know, did a lot of different things 593 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,640 S1: like the program and the writing and everything. I never 594 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,319 S1: felt like she crossed the line. And I don't know 595 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,680 S1: what to call this. You know, this wasn't a Colleen's 596 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:29,200 S1: reality show. This wasn't Colleen's exhibition, you know? She's just 597 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,440 S1: sharing her life in a way that showed how she 598 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,359 S1: was struggling to grow and the fire that she and 599 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,280 S1: her family were walking through. Does that make sense to you? 600 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,000 S8: Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. She and I talked about that so 601 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,839 S8: much of, um, you know, I think at risk of 602 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,160 S8: sounding overly simplistic, I think it was because her desire 603 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,440 S8: was always to make much of Jesus. Um, and it, 604 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,080 S8: it really, it was settled in her heart that it 605 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,839 S8: was not the Colleen show before she ever, you know, 606 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,120 S8: got in front of a microphone or an audience or 607 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:08,960 S8: started writing. Um, and she, um, she shared honestly, but 608 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,989 S8: she never, she never used the public for processing in 609 00:36:12,989 --> 00:36:15,030 S8: a way that she, you know, knew that she needed 610 00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:19,230 S8: to with Jesus or with counselors or with close friends. And, um, 611 00:36:19,230 --> 00:36:23,230 S8: she knew what belonged where. Um, and her heart and 612 00:36:23,230 --> 00:36:26,589 S8: her intention really was to make much of Jesus. She 613 00:36:26,590 --> 00:36:29,390 S8: would text me sometimes before going, you know, live on 614 00:36:29,390 --> 00:36:31,109 S8: a conversation or when she was in the middle of 615 00:36:31,110 --> 00:36:34,190 S8: writing a chapter and rewriting and rewriting it. And she 616 00:36:34,190 --> 00:36:37,030 S8: would text me and say, just, can you please pray that, 617 00:36:37,310 --> 00:36:39,310 S8: you know, people see Jesus? I don't want them to 618 00:36:39,310 --> 00:36:41,550 S8: see me. I want them to see Jesus. And I think, 619 00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:44,790 S8: you know, especially as her, as her younger sister, um, 620 00:36:44,830 --> 00:36:47,790 S8: she would have, especially when I was younger, she would 621 00:36:47,830 --> 00:36:50,750 S8: have totally been able to convince me into some hero 622 00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:52,870 S8: worship of her, right? Like I just adored her as 623 00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:57,070 S8: a kid and stuff. And she was so proactive to say, um, 624 00:36:57,110 --> 00:36:59,670 S8: these are, these are my faults, these are my shortcomings, 625 00:36:59,670 --> 00:37:01,589 S8: this like this, these are the ways that God is 626 00:37:01,590 --> 00:37:04,910 S8: working on my heart. And it's all Jesus because she 627 00:37:04,910 --> 00:37:08,190 S8: wanted people to know that, um, they had access to 628 00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:12,220 S8: that same healing and hope that she had been given. Um, 629 00:37:12,219 --> 00:37:14,380 S8: and it wasn't just that she was something special, it 630 00:37:14,380 --> 00:37:17,060 S8: was that she had been given something special and she 631 00:37:17,060 --> 00:37:20,100 S8: wanted to turn around and give that to the next person. Um, 632 00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:23,620 S8: and I think that transparency and that humility, um, she 633 00:37:23,620 --> 00:37:27,500 S8: and I talked about humility so much, uh, really shines 634 00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:30,540 S8: through when you listen to her and that that protected 635 00:37:30,540 --> 00:37:33,300 S8: her right from the. Yeah. You know, the reality show 636 00:37:33,340 --> 00:37:36,820 S8: nature of that could have been very easy for her, um, 637 00:37:37,219 --> 00:37:40,180 S8: to access, but she, um, she just wanted people to 638 00:37:40,180 --> 00:37:41,060 S8: see Jesus. 639 00:37:42,420 --> 00:37:45,420 S1: How can we pray for Eddie and Jeremy and you 640 00:37:45,420 --> 00:37:47,100 S1: and the entire family? 641 00:37:49,020 --> 00:37:49,739 S9: Yeah. 642 00:37:49,980 --> 00:37:54,980 S8: Um, you know, I, I don't know, I, I, uh, 643 00:37:55,700 --> 00:37:58,020 S8: keep coming back to the word mercy for the last 644 00:37:58,020 --> 00:38:03,259 S8: maybe three months. Um, she and I exchanged conversations and 645 00:38:03,260 --> 00:38:06,780 S8: some of the, um, last weeks of saying, isn't it? 646 00:38:06,820 --> 00:38:11,610 S8: Isn't it good that we have the Holy Spirit interceding 647 00:38:11,610 --> 00:38:15,050 S8: on our behalf with groanings that words cannot even express. 648 00:38:16,770 --> 00:38:19,650 S8: I think there are so many things. Uh, you know, 649 00:38:19,810 --> 00:38:21,810 S8: some of us have been given prayers to pray especially 650 00:38:21,810 --> 00:38:24,410 S8: for Eddie and Jeremy right now. I also think there's 651 00:38:24,410 --> 00:38:26,810 S8: something to be said for just sitting in the silence 652 00:38:26,810 --> 00:38:30,610 S8: with the Lord and and groaning before God and saying, 653 00:38:30,610 --> 00:38:34,130 S8: I don't even know the words. Um, will you intercede 654 00:38:34,130 --> 00:38:38,450 S8: before the throne, you know, on my behalf? Um, I 655 00:38:38,489 --> 00:38:41,930 S8: think praying as lead and, and even praying without words 656 00:38:41,930 --> 00:38:45,450 S8: is sometimes, um, the only response we can access in 657 00:38:45,450 --> 00:38:48,890 S8: these moments. And that's okay. Um, but I would, I 658 00:38:48,890 --> 00:38:51,370 S8: would add to that as well. Um, just always coming 659 00:38:51,370 --> 00:38:54,890 S8: back to what she wanted prayed for, um, for those 660 00:38:54,890 --> 00:38:57,330 S8: around her and those close to her. And Eddie and 661 00:38:57,330 --> 00:39:00,930 S8: Jeremy especially is just that God would be so tangibly 662 00:39:00,930 --> 00:39:03,049 S8: close and they would know his presence and know his 663 00:39:03,050 --> 00:39:04,090 S8: love in the midst. 664 00:39:05,330 --> 00:39:09,680 S1: I love what you said about Uh, just groaning because 665 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,480 S1: there are so many times when you'd ask her a 666 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,320 S1: question and that's what she would do. She would make this. Mhm. 667 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,040 S1: You know, she'd be thinking about it. 668 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:16,760 S9: Yeah, yeah. 669 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,600 S1: You know, just do the. Mhm. Yeah. Colleen. Mhm. 670 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,080 S9: And. Yeah, exactly. 671 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,960 S1: That's what we need to do with God. Uh, for 672 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:30,160 S1: for you and for those who loved her. Uh, Katie, 673 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,719 S1: I can't thank you enough for doing this today. I 674 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,200 S1: know it wasn't easy, but as you said, it was. 675 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,880 S1: It was good. You knew you wanted to. So thanks 676 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,000 S1: for for coming alongside us today. 677 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,680 S8: Absolutely. Thank you, Chris, and thanks for, um, yeah, just 678 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,000 S8: remembering my sister so well. And, um, the family, you know, feels, 679 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,760 S8: feels the love and the support from so many and 680 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,319 S8: we're so grateful for, um, just the glimpses into the 681 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,400 S8: ways that she touched lives. 682 00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:58,200 S9: Yeah. 683 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,560 S1: That's Katie Colon who's joining us today. And when we 684 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:07,029 S1: come back, our last segment, you have to hear Colleen 685 00:40:07,070 --> 00:40:10,350 S1: pray for you. I'm going to play that for you 686 00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:13,830 S1: here as we conclude our conversation, as we give a 687 00:40:13,830 --> 00:40:19,189 S1: tribute to Colleen Charles Savior here at the Radio Backyard Fence. 688 00:40:19,230 --> 00:40:22,110 S1: Go to Chris Fabry live.org. You can find out more. 689 00:40:22,430 --> 00:40:39,510 S1: Chris Fabry live.org. In February of last year, Colleen Chao 690 00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:41,509 S1: and I had a chat, and at the end of 691 00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:45,549 S1: the program, I asked her to pray. And I want 692 00:40:45,550 --> 00:40:48,070 S1: you to hear her heart and how it was turned 693 00:40:48,070 --> 00:40:51,990 S1: toward you as you listen today. We had talked earlier 694 00:40:51,989 --> 00:40:56,589 S1: in that conversation about God singing over us. So I 695 00:40:56,590 --> 00:40:58,710 S1: asked Colleen, would you pray? 696 00:40:59,630 --> 00:41:03,469 S3: Yes, I just got down on my knees before God. 697 00:41:03,469 --> 00:41:09,540 S3: Hear Jesus. Thank you for who you are. Thank you 698 00:41:09,540 --> 00:41:15,140 S3: that someday you make all of this right and make 699 00:41:15,140 --> 00:41:19,180 S3: all things new. Thank you that you are the end 700 00:41:19,180 --> 00:41:22,939 S3: and the beginning. Thank you that you hold us by 701 00:41:22,940 --> 00:41:26,100 S3: our hand and guide us with your counsel. And afterward 702 00:41:26,100 --> 00:41:29,020 S3: you will take us to yourself in glory. And I 703 00:41:29,020 --> 00:41:37,020 S3: pray for your precious children who you bought with your blood. Um, 704 00:41:37,060 --> 00:41:40,460 S3: and who you put your love and goodness on. You've 705 00:41:40,460 --> 00:41:44,700 S3: dressed them in yourself and then ask them to bear 706 00:41:45,260 --> 00:41:50,380 S3: really heavy burdens. And I pray that you would give 707 00:41:50,380 --> 00:41:53,820 S3: them more of yourself, that they would know you more. God, 708 00:41:53,820 --> 00:41:57,620 S3: please let them know you more and love you more. 709 00:41:57,900 --> 00:42:00,660 S3: Would you surround them with people who hold up their 710 00:42:00,660 --> 00:42:05,690 S3: hands like Aaron held up the arms of Moses. Um. 711 00:42:06,489 --> 00:42:10,649 S3: Would you give them encouragement from your word? Would promises 712 00:42:10,650 --> 00:42:14,529 S3: come alive as you've been so faithful to do for me? 713 00:42:14,530 --> 00:42:19,370 S3: Would you speak through Your word, reveal your glory in 714 00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:23,850 S3: the face of Christ, in your Word? Lord? Would you 715 00:42:23,890 --> 00:42:27,930 S3: hem them in before and behind be their sun and 716 00:42:27,930 --> 00:42:33,450 S3: their shield? And um Lord, thank you that your nearness 717 00:42:33,489 --> 00:42:37,010 S3: is our good. Would you be gracious to let them 718 00:42:37,010 --> 00:42:40,089 S3: experience that even today? If it's a day where they 719 00:42:40,090 --> 00:42:42,410 S3: just don't know how they could face one more day 720 00:42:42,489 --> 00:42:47,129 S3: of this suffering? Um, would your presence break through in 721 00:42:47,130 --> 00:42:50,730 S3: a very tangible, palpable way? We just love you so much. 722 00:42:50,730 --> 00:42:55,049 S3: Thank you that we can trust you with all these things. Amen. 723 00:42:58,130 --> 00:43:03,920 S10: The Lord your God is with you. He is mighty 724 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:12,280 S10: to say. He will take great delight in you. He 725 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:17,360 S10: will quiet you with his love. He will rejoice over 726 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,320 S10: you with singing. 727 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,040 S1: Colleen, your treasure. And I'm so glad that I've had 728 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,680 S1: these listeners who have emailed said, how's she doing? Now 729 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,279 S1: we know how you're doing, and they know how they 730 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,120 S1: can pray for you and Eddie and Jeremy and the 731 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,000 S1: book that's coming out. Uh, can't wait for that in October. 732 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,200 S1: So we are going to talk again, whether here or 733 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,799 S1: in the Kingdom. You we're going to talk again. Isn't 734 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:46,160 S1: that great. 735 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:46,680 S10: That. 736 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:47,759 S3: We got forever? 737 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:51,280 S11: There it is. 738 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,600 S1: There's that laughter. So how do you end a tribute 739 00:43:55,600 --> 00:44:00,400 S1: to somebody who had such life, such joy, in the 740 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,629 S1: middle of great pain and sorrow. How do you do 741 00:44:02,670 --> 00:44:06,469 S1: justice to such a life? I've been mulling that the 742 00:44:06,469 --> 00:44:09,270 S1: last few days. When I heard that she had passed away, 743 00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:11,230 S1: and it just came to me a couple hours ago. 744 00:44:11,469 --> 00:44:14,590 S1: Colleen wanted to introduce people to the one who loved 745 00:44:14,590 --> 00:44:18,630 S1: her most, to the one who gave himself for her 746 00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:22,630 S1: so that she could experience eternal life. She wanted people 747 00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:26,750 S1: to know that her final destination was not achieved by 748 00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:30,109 S1: her good works, her positive attitude, the smile on her 749 00:44:30,110 --> 00:44:33,509 S1: face in the face of death. She had the hope 750 00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:37,190 S1: of heaven, the sure hope of heaven. Because God himself 751 00:44:37,469 --> 00:44:43,350 S1: paid the debt that she couldn't. He substituted himself for 752 00:44:43,350 --> 00:44:48,029 S1: her on the cross, was buried, and then walked out 753 00:44:48,030 --> 00:44:53,469 S1: of that grave a victor over death and separation from God. 754 00:44:54,070 --> 00:44:57,190 S1: And anyone who sees their need of a Savior. Anyone 755 00:44:57,190 --> 00:45:02,060 S1: who realizes God is holy and I am not. Anyone 756 00:45:02,060 --> 00:45:05,939 S1: who believes and trusts fully in what Jesus did for them. 757 00:45:05,940 --> 00:45:09,580 S1: The Bible says God loved the world so much this way. 758 00:45:09,580 --> 00:45:12,060 S1: He loved you so much. He gave his one and 759 00:45:12,060 --> 00:45:15,739 S1: only son so that whoever believes in him should not 760 00:45:15,739 --> 00:45:20,380 S1: perish but have eternal life. And if you've heard Colleen's 761 00:45:20,380 --> 00:45:22,339 S1: story today and you've said, boy, I could never live 762 00:45:22,380 --> 00:45:24,580 S1: up to what she did. I can't do that. Listen 763 00:45:24,580 --> 00:45:27,420 S1: to me. She didn't live that way on her own power. 764 00:45:27,420 --> 00:45:30,779 S1: She didn't claim heaven as her final destination because she 765 00:45:30,780 --> 00:45:33,899 S1: had a lot of courage. She put her full faith 766 00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:36,820 S1: and hope and trust in what God did for her. 767 00:45:36,980 --> 00:45:39,980 S1: And you can do the same thing right now. I'm 768 00:45:39,980 --> 00:45:42,620 S1: going to give you a phone number. Text this number 769 00:45:43,300 --> 00:45:51,339 S1: 805 557898. Text the word new to that number. If 770 00:45:51,340 --> 00:45:55,180 S1: you want that same assurance, that same sure hope of 771 00:45:55,180 --> 00:45:58,969 S1: heaven today because of what Jesus did, will send you 772 00:45:58,969 --> 00:46:00,970 S1: a link that will show you the steps to take 773 00:46:01,210 --> 00:46:05,890 S1: to receive the new life that Colleen found in Jesus. 774 00:46:06,370 --> 00:46:12,330 S1: Text the word new and E w to 800 555 775 00:46:12,770 --> 00:46:22,489 S1: 7898 (800) 555-7898. Father, thank you for Colleen. Thank you for 776 00:46:22,489 --> 00:46:26,130 S1: what you did in her and through her for us. 777 00:46:26,570 --> 00:46:30,090 S1: You created her in Christ for good works that you 778 00:46:30,090 --> 00:46:32,770 S1: prepared in advance for her to do, and she ran 779 00:46:32,770 --> 00:46:35,850 S1: her race well. But I know she would want to 780 00:46:35,850 --> 00:46:39,690 S1: make much of Jesus today. Thank you. Thank you for 781 00:46:39,690 --> 00:46:43,489 S1: Eddie and Jeremy and Katie and all the family. Pray 782 00:46:43,530 --> 00:46:46,770 S1: mercy over them. Thank you for your great love. We 783 00:46:46,770 --> 00:46:49,609 S1: pray in Jesus name. Amen.