1 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,680 S1: It started 20 years ago, and it was begun by 2 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,680 S1: someone who didn't ask for the position. She is what 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,760 S1: I would call a good steward of the pain God 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,600 S1: has allowed in her life. And today, at the Radio 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,760 S1: Backyard Fence, we celebrate 20 years of widow connection with 6 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,440 S1: Miriam Neff. Through the years, she has joined me on 7 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,160 S1: this program, and I know there's somebody listening today whose 8 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,720 S1: life has been enriched by our conversations, by the books 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,000 S1: she has written, her website, and a whole lot more. 10 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,040 S1: I want to hear from you today. I've called her 11 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,600 S1: our correspondent to Unwanted Change. And if you have some 12 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,520 S1: of that going on in your life right now, if 13 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,000 S1: you feel like the rug was pulled out from under 14 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:51,080 S1: you this last weekend, don't miss the conversation straight ahead 15 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,680 S1: with Miriam and yours truly. This is Chris Fabry live program, 16 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,760 S1: from the heart to the heart for the heart. Let 17 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:58,960 S1: me thank Ali and the Riddell Nicks for sitting in 18 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,630 S1: for me last week. Sounds like a folk group from 19 00:01:01,630 --> 00:01:04,550 S1: the 60s, doesn't it? Ali and the riddle. I want 20 00:01:04,550 --> 00:01:08,190 S1: their first album. Thank you for keeping the conversations going here. 21 00:01:08,230 --> 00:01:10,990 S1: Last week, Ali and Michael and Eva. And let me 22 00:01:10,990 --> 00:01:13,709 S1: thank our team today. Ryan is away this week. He 23 00:01:13,709 --> 00:01:16,630 S1: tagged out so he has this week off in his 24 00:01:16,630 --> 00:01:19,870 S1: place as the ever competent captain Chris Siegert. Captain Siegert, 25 00:01:19,870 --> 00:01:22,789 S1: welcome back. Tricia is back from a trip to Chattanooga 26 00:01:22,790 --> 00:01:25,550 S1: with her family. Josh is going to be answering your 27 00:01:25,550 --> 00:01:29,030 S1: calls today. Lisa is here and there's one other team 28 00:01:29,030 --> 00:01:32,110 S1: member I want to mention. That's you. Thank you for listening, 29 00:01:32,110 --> 00:01:35,309 S1: for responding to the questions that we ask. Hey, don't 30 00:01:35,310 --> 00:01:39,509 S1: forget tomorrow Rosie's back. It's the return of Rosie's book club. 31 00:01:39,750 --> 00:01:42,990 S1: Don't miss our first book club of the new era. 32 00:01:43,270 --> 00:01:47,069 S1: It was, I think, 20, 21 years ago that she 33 00:01:47,069 --> 00:01:50,910 S1: did the The Book Club on midday connection with the 34 00:01:50,910 --> 00:01:54,790 S1: book Shane by Jack Schaefer. We're going to feature some 35 00:01:54,790 --> 00:01:57,310 S1: spoilers to that novel. If you haven't read it, read 36 00:01:57,310 --> 00:02:01,100 S1: it fast and join us tomorrow right here on Chris 37 00:02:01,140 --> 00:02:03,860 S1: Fabry Live. We are smack dab in the middle of June, 38 00:02:04,060 --> 00:02:06,380 S1: and we need your help in making our financial goal 39 00:02:06,380 --> 00:02:08,420 S1: this month. So if you can go to the website 40 00:02:08,740 --> 00:02:10,700 S1: and see the thank you hat we have for a 41 00:02:10,700 --> 00:02:14,299 S1: gift of any size, go to Chris Fabry live.org or. 42 00:02:14,300 --> 00:02:16,100 S1: Thank you. This month is a book by a man 43 00:02:16,100 --> 00:02:18,660 S1: who said this. I think that when the Lord puts 44 00:02:18,660 --> 00:02:21,660 S1: fire in your belly and a call on your life, 45 00:02:22,139 --> 00:02:26,020 S1: quitting is not an option. Doctor John Perkins had a 46 00:02:26,020 --> 00:02:30,700 S1: fire for reconciliation, for God and people as well as 47 00:02:30,700 --> 00:02:33,820 S1: people of different races. I want to send you a 48 00:02:33,820 --> 00:02:37,220 S1: book for such a time as this one. Blood. Parting 49 00:02:37,220 --> 00:02:40,299 S1: words to the church on Race and love. It's. 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And thank you for your 55 00:03:00,889 --> 00:03:03,930 S1: support of the Radio Backyard Fence, where we get to 56 00:03:03,930 --> 00:03:06,649 S1: have conversations like the one we're going to have today. 57 00:03:06,889 --> 00:03:09,570 S1: I received an email from Miriam Neff at the end 58 00:03:09,570 --> 00:03:13,130 S1: of May that said this. 20 years ago, I sat 59 00:03:13,169 --> 00:03:22,530 S1: where so many of you have sat numbed, know, numb, puzzled, vulnerable, sad, frightened, angry, 60 00:03:23,010 --> 00:03:26,730 S1: yet somehow still laughing at things most don't find so funny. 61 00:03:26,730 --> 00:03:30,209 S1: I had become a widow. I still don't like that word. 62 00:03:30,530 --> 00:03:34,410 S1: Out of that grief, God planted a seed. No widow 63 00:03:34,410 --> 00:03:38,930 S1: should walk this road alone. From that seed widow connection 64 00:03:38,930 --> 00:03:42,770 S1: was born. A ministry built on the simple sacred truth. 65 00:03:42,770 --> 00:03:47,330 S1: That one widow walking beside another carries a kind of comfort. 66 00:03:47,330 --> 00:03:51,810 S1: The world cannot. Two decades later, I look back, astonished 67 00:03:51,810 --> 00:03:54,690 S1: at what God has done, and I wanted to set 68 00:03:54,690 --> 00:03:58,360 S1: aside this day, Miriam, to have you on. And just 69 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,880 S1: take a look in the rear view mirror at what 70 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,200 S1: God has done in you, first of all, and then 71 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,280 S1: through you. Welcome back to the program. How are you 72 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:06,920 S1: doing today? 73 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,880 S2: I'm always glad to be here, and it's always good 74 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,800 S2: when listeners call in. And I love a question that 75 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,880 S2: comes up that I think I don't know the answer 76 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,120 S2: to that. So I say, Chris, what do you think? 77 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,120 S2: But I think this topic is really important because a 78 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,000 S2: lot of times someone thinks, you know, if I'm on 79 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,680 S2: this platform and I fall off or I got get 80 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,280 S2: kicked off the platform, what options do I have? And 81 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,120 S2: God says, I'm throwing you a trapeze and you're going 82 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,960 S2: to rise and you're going to rise higher to some 83 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:38,760 S2: place you never thought you'd get to. 84 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,240 S1: Did you doubt in those early days when this seed 85 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,760 S1: was planted in your heart, would have connection? Did you 86 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,800 S1: have any doubts? Like, I don't know if this gonna 87 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:48,520 S1: work or not. 88 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,760 S2: No, that wasn't where my doubt was. My problem with 89 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,990 S2: God is I told God this. I said, God, you 90 00:04:54,990 --> 00:04:58,150 S2: took the wrong person. Now let me just say, it's 91 00:04:58,150 --> 00:05:01,670 S2: not a good idea to tell God he did something wrong. 92 00:05:02,190 --> 00:05:05,670 S2: But I said Bob had important biblical work to do, 93 00:05:05,670 --> 00:05:09,550 S2: and I'm just a counselor in public high schools. I 94 00:05:09,589 --> 00:05:12,470 S2: should have been the one to leave, to go to 95 00:05:12,510 --> 00:05:17,029 S2: heaven now. And it was only seven months after that 96 00:05:17,029 --> 00:05:20,830 S2: night when he went to heaven that I, I don't, 97 00:05:20,830 --> 00:05:22,950 S2: I don't I didn't feel God tapped me on the 98 00:05:22,950 --> 00:05:26,630 S2: shoulder literally, but I felt him tapped me on. It's 99 00:05:26,630 --> 00:05:30,270 S2: like you've seen the plight. And I was in Africa 100 00:05:30,270 --> 00:05:33,430 S2: at the time, trying to connect with a radio lady 101 00:05:33,430 --> 00:05:36,510 S2: that he had helped start, and I'd seen the plight 102 00:05:36,510 --> 00:05:40,190 S2: of widows and I thought, this is not right. And 103 00:05:40,190 --> 00:05:43,310 S2: that's when it was like feeling God tapped me on 104 00:05:43,310 --> 00:05:45,670 S2: the shoulder saying, what are you going to do about it? Miriam? 105 00:05:45,910 --> 00:05:46,310 S1: Mhm. 106 00:05:46,470 --> 00:05:48,830 S2: And then if you looked at my newsletter, you look 107 00:05:48,870 --> 00:05:52,270 S2: at the what? I don't know how many projects we've done. Now. 108 00:05:52,310 --> 00:05:56,850 S2: I don't count projects. I praise God for whatever we 109 00:05:56,850 --> 00:06:00,330 S2: can do, and some of them are more different. Some 110 00:06:00,330 --> 00:06:03,609 S2: of them. The first one was the hardest I've ever done. 111 00:06:03,970 --> 00:06:08,050 S2: Mocha Tweenie village. There was no electricity in that in 112 00:06:08,089 --> 00:06:11,690 S2: that remote, remote village. And it's kind of like everything 113 00:06:11,690 --> 00:06:14,730 S2: went wrong. But there's a missionary, and I wish I 114 00:06:14,730 --> 00:06:18,809 S2: remembered the missionary that said that. But he said that 115 00:06:18,810 --> 00:06:23,409 S2: the the what the fact is it's impossible, difficult. And 116 00:06:23,410 --> 00:06:27,490 S2: then done. And he was a missionary who attempted to 117 00:06:27,490 --> 00:06:31,250 S2: do impossible things and difficult things happened. But then it 118 00:06:31,250 --> 00:06:35,050 S2: was accomplished. And I can say I have seen God 119 00:06:35,089 --> 00:06:39,370 S2: be faithful to that. Not that it's easy. I mean, 120 00:06:39,410 --> 00:06:44,089 S2: a village with no running water and no electricity. I 121 00:06:44,130 --> 00:06:49,090 S2: like air conditioning. I like. And instead of an outhouse, 122 00:06:49,089 --> 00:06:53,800 S2: I like a bathroom. I like to see. Well, didn't 123 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,880 S2: have any of it. And that was okay. 124 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,919 S1: See, and that's where I think the power comes in, 125 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:02,760 S1: because you had to fully trust that God was in 126 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,880 S1: control of all of this, that he had at least 127 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,600 S1: allowed Bob's home going to put you in this place, 128 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,600 S1: but you could have run away from that. You could 129 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,680 S1: have just said, you know what, I'm going to check out. 130 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,840 S1: I'm going to do something else with my life. But 131 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,840 S1: he kind of catapulted you in front of those, those 132 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:25,720 S1: women and men as well. Come to Widow connection.com. Um, 133 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,320 S1: the men and the women who have had this deep 134 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:32,440 S1: loss and God used you to walk alongside them. That's 135 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:33,680 S1: pretty amazing, isn't it? 136 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,280 S2: Well, part of it is, you know, pain is there 137 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,320 S2: for a reason. So you pay attention and say what? 138 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,200 S2: What needs to happen for the pain to go away. 139 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,400 S2: And I can tell you there's no greater joy than 140 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,280 S2: seeing a bunch of graduates, whether it's Mocha Tweenie Village 141 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,750 S2: or Uganda or wherever it is and see that they 142 00:07:52,750 --> 00:07:55,870 S2: can support themselves. They don't have to be a prostitute 143 00:07:55,870 --> 00:08:00,470 S2: anymore to feed their children. I mean, it's such a joy. 144 00:08:00,470 --> 00:08:02,670 S2: I almost think I don't need a plane to fly 145 00:08:02,670 --> 00:08:06,110 S2: back to Chicago. I'll just leap up in the air 146 00:08:06,230 --> 00:08:08,950 S2: and fly. Now, that's an exaggeration. 147 00:08:08,990 --> 00:08:11,190 S1: Okay, well, I want I want that same thing to 148 00:08:11,230 --> 00:08:15,110 S1: happen for somebody today. And as you listen today, maybe 149 00:08:15,110 --> 00:08:17,750 S1: it's not the loss of a spouse, but maybe that's 150 00:08:17,750 --> 00:08:20,630 S1: where you are. You've lost this person who's been dear 151 00:08:20,630 --> 00:08:23,670 S1: to you for years and years, or you're a young 152 00:08:23,950 --> 00:08:30,270 S1: widow and your husband passed away through some unexpected situation 153 00:08:30,270 --> 00:08:32,950 S1: that you're walking through right now, and you don't know 154 00:08:33,270 --> 00:08:35,030 S1: where you're going to go. And you're looking at the 155 00:08:35,030 --> 00:08:38,110 S1: radio and you're saying, hey, you're talking about this. You're 156 00:08:38,110 --> 00:08:44,510 S1: talking about my life. Let me give you the number (877) 548-3675. 157 00:08:44,670 --> 00:08:48,189 S1: If you're walking through that fresh grief, or maybe it's 158 00:08:48,190 --> 00:08:51,780 S1: been 20 years and you're saying to yourself, why do 159 00:08:51,780 --> 00:08:55,900 S1: I still feel that loss way deep down inside? I 160 00:08:55,900 --> 00:09:02,220 S1: want Miriam to talk to you today. (877) 548-3675. And the 161 00:09:02,220 --> 00:09:05,620 S1: other question that I really want to hear is Miriam 162 00:09:05,620 --> 00:09:08,780 S1: has joined me. This program is about 18 years old. 163 00:09:08,780 --> 00:09:12,300 S1: So Widow Connection was two years old when we started. Miriam. 164 00:09:12,620 --> 00:09:15,740 S1: But I'd love for people to call in and say, 165 00:09:15,740 --> 00:09:19,380 S1: when Miriam said this on the radio, it made a 166 00:09:19,620 --> 00:09:22,140 S1: point in my life when I read that book that 167 00:09:22,140 --> 00:09:27,300 S1: she wrote and she said this, something happened on the inside. 168 00:09:27,300 --> 00:09:29,620 S1: If you have a story like that, I'd love to 169 00:09:29,660 --> 00:09:32,740 S1: connect with you today at the Radio Backyard fence here 170 00:09:32,740 --> 00:09:41,340 S1: on Chris Fabry Live. (877) 548-3675. You can also answer on Facebook. 171 00:09:41,380 --> 00:09:43,500 S1: We put a question up there on the Facebook page 172 00:09:43,500 --> 00:09:50,130 S1: as well, or 83675. Miriam Neff is with us at 173 00:09:50,130 --> 00:09:51,850 S1: the Radio Backyard fence. 174 00:10:01,290 --> 00:10:03,090 S3: Miriam Neff is with us at the Radio. 175 00:10:03,090 --> 00:10:07,489 S1: Backyard fence with my friends. I call her our correspondent 176 00:10:07,490 --> 00:10:11,689 S1: to Unwanted Change, founder and president of Widow Connection. She's 177 00:10:11,690 --> 00:10:15,450 S1: written a dozen books from one widow to another. Women 178 00:10:15,450 --> 00:10:19,170 S1: in Their emotions. We have where do I Go from here? 179 00:10:19,330 --> 00:10:21,929 S1: Linked at the website as well as the book that 180 00:10:21,929 --> 00:10:26,530 S1: she wrote with her daughter, Valerie. Wise Women Managing money. 181 00:10:26,530 --> 00:10:28,250 S1: That's one of the other things that has come out 182 00:10:28,250 --> 00:10:30,650 S1: of Widow Connection is so it's not just how do 183 00:10:30,650 --> 00:10:35,449 S1: I deal with the emotional, the psychological, the spiritual, the grief, 184 00:10:35,809 --> 00:10:38,330 S1: but also, okay, what do I do? What do I 185 00:10:38,370 --> 00:10:41,610 S1: practically do with my money? And I think one of 186 00:10:41,610 --> 00:10:45,410 S1: the most important programs we did on the program, this 187 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,280 S1: program with you, Miriam, was when you came on and 188 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,880 S1: you talked about some of the ways that people take 189 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:56,359 S1: advantage of widows when they are at their most vulnerable. Vulnerable? 190 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:57,280 S1: Do you remember that? 191 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,680 S2: Oh, I do. And that's part of why I connected 192 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,000 S2: with Valerie. I kept calling her with these financial issues, 193 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,960 S2: and we decided we have to address that. And she's 194 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,520 S2: a lawyer and a CFP and a bunch of other stuff. 195 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,880 S2: And we did a video series, five minute, 26 videos 196 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:17,480 S2: in my family room. And then I ran into someone 197 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,560 S2: from Moody Press at a gathering, and they said, that 198 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,359 S2: should be a book. And it's made a big difference 199 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,959 S2: in a lot of places. But I want to mention, Chris, 200 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:31,120 S2: that it's not just losing your spouse. It can be divorce, 201 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:35,280 S2: it can be job loss, all of these things. Sometimes 202 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,280 S2: people say, well, where is God in all this? How 203 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,800 S2: is this going to work out? I didn't expect this, 204 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,199 S2: or I kind of thought it might come, but I 205 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,350 S2: don't like it. And that's one of the things that 206 00:11:46,350 --> 00:11:50,790 S2: we get to take to the Lord. And what, what 207 00:11:50,830 --> 00:11:55,550 S2: has always what a truth it is that something is impossible. 208 00:11:55,550 --> 00:11:59,870 S2: And then difficult and done. He doesn't make those bad 209 00:11:59,870 --> 00:12:04,390 S2: things go away, but he equips us to see how 210 00:12:04,429 --> 00:12:07,429 S2: are we going to rise above it? And what are 211 00:12:07,429 --> 00:12:09,790 S2: we going to do in the future? And I can 212 00:12:09,790 --> 00:12:15,990 S2: say with my loss of my husband, though that's certainly true, he, 213 00:12:16,350 --> 00:12:19,270 S2: you know, who would have chosen to be ministering to widows. 214 00:12:19,270 --> 00:12:22,030 S2: But yet here I am. And now I've moved on 215 00:12:22,070 --> 00:12:24,790 S2: to helping people in a lot of different areas and 216 00:12:24,790 --> 00:12:27,630 S2: teaching other Bible studies. But that was kind of where 217 00:12:27,630 --> 00:12:28,470 S2: it started. 218 00:12:28,630 --> 00:12:31,589 S1: Yes. Do you the program that I remember, and I 219 00:12:31,590 --> 00:12:33,390 S1: use this in a short story. I don't know if 220 00:12:33,390 --> 00:12:35,829 S1: I told you this or not, but I, I remember 221 00:12:35,830 --> 00:12:40,230 S1: when you talked about Bob's skis and clearing out the 222 00:12:40,230 --> 00:12:45,900 S1: closet and the struggle that you had with those skis 223 00:12:46,260 --> 00:12:50,020 S1: and letting them go, because you just felt that was 224 00:12:50,020 --> 00:12:53,020 S1: one way that you felt connected to him. Even though 225 00:12:53,020 --> 00:12:56,980 S1: you couldn't use them, you still pictured him with the kids. And, 226 00:12:57,020 --> 00:13:01,060 S1: you know, cross country skiing, I think is what the 227 00:13:01,100 --> 00:13:04,420 S1: type of skis that they were. And then your daughter 228 00:13:04,420 --> 00:13:06,940 S1: said something that kind of turned the light on. Do 229 00:13:06,940 --> 00:13:07,819 S1: you remember that? 230 00:13:07,860 --> 00:13:11,140 S2: I actually do not, but I remember the ski thing. 231 00:13:11,140 --> 00:13:13,059 S2: What was it, Chris? I bet you well. 232 00:13:13,140 --> 00:13:15,580 S1: You were, you were having a problem letting go of 233 00:13:15,580 --> 00:13:20,540 S1: those things. And Valerie said, can you imagine somebody at 234 00:13:20,580 --> 00:13:24,460 S1: the at the thrift store finding those skis in those 235 00:13:24,500 --> 00:13:26,900 S1: in that size? And I think Bob was like size 236 00:13:26,900 --> 00:13:27,980 S1: 12 or, you know, he had. 237 00:13:28,059 --> 00:13:29,179 S2: Kind of a big guy. Yes. 238 00:13:29,220 --> 00:13:32,260 S1: Yeah. Had a big foot. And can you imagine a 239 00:13:32,260 --> 00:13:35,860 S1: dad finding those in the thrift store and, and taking 240 00:13:35,860 --> 00:13:40,300 S1: his son out? And you said it was at that moment. Boom. 241 00:13:40,300 --> 00:13:42,930 S1: Get him in the car. I'm going because you had 242 00:13:42,929 --> 00:13:48,650 S1: a vision for that inanimate object, those skis for somebody else. 243 00:13:49,170 --> 00:13:52,250 S2: Well, and another thing is, now I have been single 244 00:13:52,250 --> 00:13:56,010 S2: longer than I was married, and I no longer view 245 00:13:56,050 --> 00:13:58,370 S2: myself as a widow, although that is a part of 246 00:13:58,370 --> 00:14:01,610 S2: my journey. But now I see God calling me to 247 00:14:01,650 --> 00:14:06,010 S2: do different things in different ways. And again, all of 248 00:14:06,010 --> 00:14:09,850 S2: them I would not have imagined. But it's. But he 249 00:14:09,850 --> 00:14:12,010 S2: knew about this and he didn't need to tell me 250 00:14:12,050 --> 00:14:14,810 S2: ahead of time. You know, I just am supposed to 251 00:14:14,850 --> 00:14:17,650 S2: show up. That's all I have to do. And then 252 00:14:17,650 --> 00:14:21,410 S2: I hope I don't embarrass my Lord. And whether it's 253 00:14:21,410 --> 00:14:23,930 S2: another book I write, which I'm writing a couple more 254 00:14:23,930 --> 00:14:27,970 S2: books now, or whether it's some of our books now 255 00:14:28,010 --> 00:14:32,050 S2: are being translated into Spanish and Polish and other things, 256 00:14:32,050 --> 00:14:35,170 S2: which I can't do that we pay people to do it. 257 00:14:35,450 --> 00:14:39,050 S2: But these are things that that wasn't on my plan, 258 00:14:39,770 --> 00:14:40,880 S2: but that's okay. 259 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:46,080 S1: Um, the dealing with the grief, though. Now, Bob had 260 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:50,080 S1: ALS so there was, you know, you knew how that 261 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,760 S1: at some point you knew how that was going to end, 262 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,880 S1: but that didn't cause you not to have grief afterward. 263 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,400 S1: How how long did it take and what did it 264 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,480 S1: look like for you to get from there to where 265 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:05,360 S1: you are today? 266 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,920 S2: Well, it's different for everybody. And in our case, I 267 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:14,520 S2: knew that within three years he'd be in heaven. And I, I, 268 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,160 S2: I am mentoring a young widow now who's, you know, 269 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,680 S2: has three kids at home and her husband died suddenly 270 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,000 S2: and she's just thrown into it. And I think, though 271 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,200 S2: it's going to be different for her than it was 272 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,040 S2: for me. And the other thing, first of all, you know, 273 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,840 S2: one of my favorite verses is Psalm 139 13 to 16. 274 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,840 S2: Each of us is uniquely made, and God had a 275 00:15:38,870 --> 00:15:41,430 S2: plan for our life before one of them came to be. 276 00:15:41,750 --> 00:15:45,550 S2: So if someone is grieving so much that they feel 277 00:15:45,550 --> 00:15:50,550 S2: they can't lift their head off the pillow seven months later, 278 00:15:50,990 --> 00:15:55,790 S2: that's their grief process. And for me, seven months later, 279 00:15:55,790 --> 00:15:58,350 S2: when I was in Africa and I had one of 280 00:15:58,350 --> 00:16:02,710 S2: the most impactful experiences in my life, it's like, okay, Lord, 281 00:16:03,150 --> 00:16:06,430 S2: I want to be that bright star. Can I tell 282 00:16:06,430 --> 00:16:08,030 S2: about the star experience? 283 00:16:08,190 --> 00:16:10,070 S1: Please do so because that was in the middle of 284 00:16:10,070 --> 00:16:10,630 S1: the night, right? 285 00:16:10,670 --> 00:16:14,470 S2: Yes. Well, I was in Mozambique. There was no electricity 286 00:16:14,470 --> 00:16:17,150 S2: at the time. It was a remote village, no electricity 287 00:16:17,150 --> 00:16:21,270 S2: anywhere around. And during the night, I went outside to 288 00:16:21,310 --> 00:16:25,110 S2: what is called an outhouse. And I went outside the 289 00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:28,230 S2: hut and it had a dirt floor and a thatched 290 00:16:28,270 --> 00:16:31,710 S2: roof and cane sides. And you heard noises in the 291 00:16:31,710 --> 00:16:34,750 S2: roof that I didn't want to know what that was. 292 00:16:35,310 --> 00:16:38,700 S2: But I went out of the hut and I looked 293 00:16:38,700 --> 00:16:41,660 S2: up at the blackest sky I'd ever seen. Any time 294 00:16:41,660 --> 00:16:43,860 S2: you go out at night in the Chicago area, there's 295 00:16:43,900 --> 00:16:47,420 S2: ambient light from all the suburbs and all that. There's 296 00:16:47,420 --> 00:16:51,460 S2: no light anywhere. And what I saw then were the 297 00:16:51,460 --> 00:16:55,100 S2: brightest stars I'd ever seen in my life. Shooting stars, 298 00:16:55,340 --> 00:17:01,380 S2: different shapes, different hues. And in Scripture, God tells us 299 00:17:01,380 --> 00:17:05,060 S2: where to be stars, where to be like a city 300 00:17:05,380 --> 00:17:08,580 S2: on a hill that lights. And I said, Lord, I 301 00:17:08,580 --> 00:17:11,660 S2: want to be the brightest star in this world where 302 00:17:11,660 --> 00:17:14,780 S2: you've left me. I don't know whether I've been that. 303 00:17:14,780 --> 00:17:17,700 S2: Maybe it's a star that kind of gets dim at times, 304 00:17:18,380 --> 00:17:22,260 S2: but that I wanted to be the brightest star I could, 305 00:17:22,260 --> 00:17:26,899 S2: given what I had been in the past and what 306 00:17:26,900 --> 00:17:28,540 S2: might happen in the future. 307 00:17:29,100 --> 00:17:32,899 S1: Yeah. And isn't it isn't it just like God, to 308 00:17:32,900 --> 00:17:35,139 S1: be able to give you that kind of picture that 309 00:17:35,140 --> 00:17:38,199 S1: spurs you on. And maybe that's what you needed to 310 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,880 S1: hear today at the back fence. Miriam Neff is with us. 311 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:43,720 S1: If you go to the website, we have some of 312 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:48,000 S1: her books linked right there. Chris fabriclive.org. But I want 313 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,000 S1: to give you a chance to talk with her. Kenneth 314 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,880 S1: is in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Kenneth, why did you call today? 315 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:58,840 S4: Yes. Um, last week, my granddaughter, my first granddaughter and 316 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,840 S4: my my girls first daughter had passed away at three 317 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,320 S4: months old. And her memorial is going to be at 318 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,720 S4: the end of this month. And I'm wondering if there's 319 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,959 S4: any I've been trying to keep upbeat about it. I 320 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,879 S4: don't know if I'll be able to talk during it, 321 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,680 S4: but I'm at least going to tell the person that 322 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,440 S4: will be talking, hopefully in my place, something good and 323 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,600 S4: inspiring for everyone there. Let them know that she's with 324 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,639 S4: God and that we can see her again one day. 325 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,480 S1: Yeah, well, look at what you just did today, Kenneth. 326 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:34,280 S1: I mean, you called you called us to talk about this, 327 00:18:35,270 --> 00:18:41,070 S1: With this deep grief and this fissure in your life. Uh, 328 00:18:41,070 --> 00:18:43,310 S1: you know, it's not supposed to be this way. And 329 00:18:43,310 --> 00:18:46,070 S1: and here you are. So you got a lot of 330 00:18:46,070 --> 00:18:48,590 S1: courage to be able to do that, to talk with us. 331 00:18:48,590 --> 00:18:49,790 S1: Don't you think so, Miriam? 332 00:18:50,030 --> 00:18:52,630 S2: I do, and you know what? You've already showed us? 333 00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:56,869 S2: That you are a blessing. You have compassion. And the 334 00:18:56,869 --> 00:18:59,670 S2: fact that you just show up. It may be that 335 00:18:59,670 --> 00:19:02,390 S2: you don't think I can't say a word? Well, then 336 00:19:02,430 --> 00:19:06,389 S2: hug somebody or listen to somebody. You know, it's very 337 00:19:06,390 --> 00:19:09,710 S2: rare that people listen to someone else, and you can 338 00:19:09,710 --> 00:19:13,389 S2: listen to someone that's grieving. That's there because they care also. 339 00:19:13,910 --> 00:19:16,910 S2: And you can just listen to them and nod your head. 340 00:19:17,150 --> 00:19:19,629 S2: Do you know how reassuring that is? Because they know 341 00:19:19,630 --> 00:19:23,790 S2: you have an understanding of it. So my, I just 342 00:19:23,790 --> 00:19:26,390 S2: think it's fabulous that you're just going to show up 343 00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:27,990 S2: and then God will take over. 344 00:19:28,670 --> 00:19:31,189 S1: Kenneth, what was your granddaughter's name? 345 00:19:32,750 --> 00:19:33,310 S4: Helen. 346 00:19:33,900 --> 00:19:35,100 S1: Holani. Okay. 347 00:19:36,020 --> 00:19:37,139 S4: Baby girl to me. 348 00:19:37,540 --> 00:19:38,300 S1: Yeah. 349 00:19:38,500 --> 00:19:42,300 S4: Unfortunately. Unfortunately, they live in Chattanooga. I live in Fayetteville, 350 00:19:42,300 --> 00:19:45,460 S4: Tennessee and I was only able to see her one 351 00:19:45,460 --> 00:19:46,740 S4: time and hold her once. 352 00:19:47,060 --> 00:19:50,540 S1: Yeah, but she's right there with you. She's in your 353 00:19:50,540 --> 00:19:52,220 S1: heart forever, right? 354 00:19:52,580 --> 00:19:54,739 S4: And I will see her again one day, I know that. 355 00:19:54,780 --> 00:19:58,900 S1: Yeah, yeah. Just like David said. See? And that's, uh, 356 00:19:58,900 --> 00:20:01,820 S1: going back to what you just said about one Psalm 139. 357 00:20:01,820 --> 00:20:06,580 S1: Miriam and I hear this mostly for those who are 358 00:20:06,580 --> 00:20:10,899 S1: pro-life and, uh, from, from that psalm for you formed 359 00:20:10,900 --> 00:20:14,260 S1: my inward parts. You knitted me together in my mother's womb, 360 00:20:14,619 --> 00:20:20,420 S1: and I'm fearfully and wonderfully made. But you said, Miriam, this, 361 00:20:20,420 --> 00:20:23,180 S1: this also applies to those of us who are older. 362 00:20:23,180 --> 00:20:26,580 S1: Your eyes saw my unformed substance in your book were 363 00:20:26,580 --> 00:20:30,100 S1: written every one of them. The days that were formed 364 00:20:30,100 --> 00:20:34,090 S1: for me and for Holani, that was a short time 365 00:20:34,090 --> 00:20:38,090 S1: from our perspective. Um, but those days were written in 366 00:20:38,090 --> 00:20:39,649 S1: his book, right, Miriam? 367 00:20:39,690 --> 00:20:43,970 S2: Yes. And, you know, I'm writing my memoir now, and, uh, 368 00:20:44,010 --> 00:20:46,609 S2: I went through some hard times, like when my mother 369 00:20:46,609 --> 00:20:49,490 S2: left home when I was 13. And I think, wait 370 00:20:49,490 --> 00:20:53,250 S2: a minute. My favorite part of scripture, God knew that 371 00:20:53,250 --> 00:20:55,850 S2: was going to happen. He knew I was going to 372 00:20:55,850 --> 00:21:00,050 S2: need to parent my younger sister, cook, clean, take care 373 00:21:00,050 --> 00:21:03,010 S2: of the house and all those things. And he has 374 00:21:03,010 --> 00:21:07,210 S2: equipped me to do that. Does that make it easy? No. 375 00:21:07,369 --> 00:21:11,050 S2: But let me tell you, when I finally left home 376 00:21:11,050 --> 00:21:14,250 S2: to go to college, I had a work ethic. And 377 00:21:14,290 --> 00:21:17,690 S2: it wasn't because I decided, I think I'll work hard. 378 00:21:17,730 --> 00:21:20,409 S2: It was like that was a necessity. It had to happen. 379 00:21:20,410 --> 00:21:25,330 S2: I had no choice. So again, that verse is yes, 380 00:21:25,330 --> 00:21:28,890 S2: it's about that life is precious, but it's also that 381 00:21:29,570 --> 00:21:32,840 S2: God isn't surprised by that hard thing in your life. 382 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,240 S2: And he fits. I say he fits. He fits the 383 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,720 S2: back for the burden. That doesn't that's not a scripture, 384 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:41,439 S2: by the way. 385 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,160 S1: So but I know what you're saying though, and it's 386 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,560 S1: in the middle. It's okay to ask those questions. And 387 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,240 S1: you probably are asking those questions. Kenneth, I want to 388 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,040 S1: say one more thing to you before you go. Um, 389 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:58,800 S1: sometimes sometimes we think it's how eloquent we are that 390 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,240 S1: is the most important thing, or that we can hold 391 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,960 S1: it together so that people will understand what we're saying. 392 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,920 S1: But I think the genuine you being Kenneth, there's nobody 393 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:14,280 S1: on the planet who can be Kenneth in that situation. 394 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,520 S1: So you if, however, you do this, you know where 395 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,639 S1: you say it to somebody else, or if you stand 396 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:24,560 S1: up and say something and you get emotional, you being Kenneth, 397 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,439 S1: is the greatest gift that you can give to the 398 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,830 S1: people who are mourning Holani. Does that make sense? 399 00:22:33,150 --> 00:22:35,630 S4: Yes it does. And if I could say one last 400 00:22:35,630 --> 00:22:39,750 S4: thing to, um. I'm just grateful that she won't have 401 00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:43,070 S4: to worry about the the sinful three. The father. I mean, 402 00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:46,590 S4: the devil, the world and the flesh. You won't have 403 00:22:46,590 --> 00:22:49,470 S4: to worry about that. They can't touch her where she's at. Yeah. 404 00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:52,550 S4: And I'm, I'm a, I'm a backyard fence partner. And I, 405 00:22:52,550 --> 00:22:55,470 S4: and I and you all have a blessed day and 406 00:22:55,470 --> 00:22:57,350 S4: God bless. You must certainly pray. 407 00:22:57,750 --> 00:23:00,310 S1: Yeah. Kenneth, I'm glad you you got through today. And 408 00:23:00,310 --> 00:23:02,750 S1: thank you for taking the time in the middle of 409 00:23:02,750 --> 00:23:06,430 S1: the grief, in the middle of the struggle. See, that's 410 00:23:06,430 --> 00:23:11,270 S1: where real life happens. Struggle is not a sign of failure. 411 00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:13,910 S1: It's a sign of life. It's a sign of success. 412 00:23:13,910 --> 00:23:16,830 S1: And there. You heard it from Kenneth. Miriam, would you 413 00:23:16,830 --> 00:23:18,870 S1: pray for Kenneth and the family there? 414 00:23:19,109 --> 00:23:22,190 S2: Oh, precious Lord, thank you for Kenneth. Thank you for 415 00:23:22,190 --> 00:23:25,469 S2: his tender heart. Thank you that he is going to 416 00:23:25,470 --> 00:23:28,340 S2: show up and just be who he is, and he 417 00:23:28,340 --> 00:23:31,820 S2: may hug somebody. He may just listen to someone or 418 00:23:31,820 --> 00:23:35,540 S2: he may say a few words. But just his being there, 419 00:23:35,780 --> 00:23:39,780 S2: his compassion in his heart, will show on his face, 420 00:23:40,260 --> 00:23:43,979 S2: and that will comfort some people there. And thank you 421 00:23:43,980 --> 00:23:46,300 S2: that he's willing, at this stage of his life, to 422 00:23:46,340 --> 00:23:49,420 S2: show up for all of those things that are hard 423 00:23:49,420 --> 00:23:52,940 S2: and bless him and comfort him in that experience. Jesus, 424 00:23:52,940 --> 00:23:55,260 S2: we pray in your precious name. Amen. 425 00:23:55,619 --> 00:23:59,780 S1: Amen. God bless you, Kenneth and and the whole family 426 00:23:59,780 --> 00:24:02,940 S1: dealing with that. That's a that's such a hard that's 427 00:24:02,940 --> 00:24:05,139 S1: a deep valley to go through. And I wonder if 428 00:24:05,140 --> 00:24:07,900 S1: there's anybody listening right now. And you've been through a 429 00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:11,660 S1: valley like that or the loss of a spouse, loss 430 00:24:11,660 --> 00:24:14,420 S1: of a child, a grandchild. What was the thing that 431 00:24:14,420 --> 00:24:19,419 S1: helped you in that valley the most? Miriam talks about 432 00:24:19,420 --> 00:24:22,740 S1: Psalm 139. What about you? What has been the most 433 00:24:22,740 --> 00:24:26,970 S1: helpful thing to come alongside you in that journey that 434 00:24:26,970 --> 00:24:33,290 S1: you have been through of grief and loss. (877) 548-3675 is 435 00:24:33,290 --> 00:24:41,169 S1: our number 1-877-548-3675. As I mentioned, we have at the website. 436 00:24:41,170 --> 00:24:45,210 S1: Chris fabriclive.org. If you click through today's information on the program, 437 00:24:45,570 --> 00:24:48,410 S1: we have Miriam's book, where do I go from here? 438 00:24:48,410 --> 00:24:50,770 S1: And that's a question that so many people are asking 439 00:24:50,770 --> 00:24:54,650 S1: Miriam still. Well, here's this thing that has happened in 440 00:24:54,650 --> 00:24:58,970 S1: my life. Okay, where do I go from this place? 441 00:24:58,970 --> 00:25:01,850 S1: And you've written eloquently about that, as well as wise 442 00:25:01,850 --> 00:25:04,850 S1: women managing money. We have both of those linked at 443 00:25:04,850 --> 00:25:08,410 S1: Chris fabriclive.org, but I would love to hear from you. 444 00:25:08,410 --> 00:25:10,649 S1: And maybe you just want to respond to what Kenneth 445 00:25:10,850 --> 00:25:14,130 S1: just said a minute ago with the grief that he 446 00:25:14,130 --> 00:25:16,850 S1: is going through. What's the thing that has helped you 447 00:25:16,970 --> 00:25:28,840 S1: the most in that process? Once again, the number (877) 548-3675. 448 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:33,920 S1: Tomorrow on the program Rosie's back and it's Rosie's book club. 449 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,960 S1: We're going to talk about the novel Shane with Rosie 450 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,920 S1: and a friend and you as well. Hope you'll join 451 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,000 S1: us then and find out more information at the website. 452 00:25:43,000 --> 00:26:02,240 S1: Chris Fabry live.org. More straight ahead on Moody Radio. Thanks 453 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,240 S1: for joining us today on Chris Fabry Live, the program 454 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:05,920 S1: From the Heart to the heart for the heart. Today, 455 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,560 S1: Miriam Neff is back with us at the Radio Backyard fence. 456 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,000 S1: And she sent me this thing that she wrote. It's 457 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,880 S1: going to be not going to be published until September. 458 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,640 S1: So I don't want to go into a whole lot 459 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,960 S1: of this, but it's basically the fourth quarter. Make the 460 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,880 S1: most of the time that God gives you, and I 461 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,909 S1: think you've done that, Miriam, and you've allowed God to 462 00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:30,470 S1: do in you and through you things that you could 463 00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:33,630 S1: not do in your own strength and the vision. I 464 00:26:33,630 --> 00:26:36,430 S1: want to talk real quickly about Bob, because we're coming 465 00:26:36,430 --> 00:26:42,350 S1: up on 100 years of Moody radio, started back in 1926, 466 00:26:42,790 --> 00:26:45,550 S1: and Bob came along in the. When did he start 467 00:26:45,550 --> 00:26:48,990 S1: at Moody radio was in the 50s, I think. Was it? 468 00:26:49,030 --> 00:26:50,950 S2: Well, you know what? I'm not sure. I just know 469 00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:53,630 S2: when I met him at IU, when we were. He 470 00:26:53,630 --> 00:26:58,189 S2: was a senior there and I was a freshman. Um, 471 00:26:58,550 --> 00:27:00,950 S2: he said he was called to work at Moody Radio, 472 00:27:00,950 --> 00:27:03,590 S2: but he had been a student here. And in fact 473 00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:08,109 S2: there's an award little square here on the campus because 474 00:27:08,109 --> 00:27:10,350 S2: he was, I think it was alumni of the year 475 00:27:10,350 --> 00:27:13,710 S2: or something like that. And when he finally received it, 476 00:27:13,710 --> 00:27:16,670 S2: and the president at that time said to his mom, 477 00:27:16,670 --> 00:27:19,510 S2: who was there, are you surprised? And she said, no, 478 00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:24,460 S2: what took you so long? So I. She was a 479 00:27:24,460 --> 00:27:28,340 S2: pretty bold lady herself, but she and Bob was raised 480 00:27:28,340 --> 00:27:29,980 S2: by very godly parents. 481 00:27:30,020 --> 00:27:34,340 S1: Yes, I remember I came to Moody Radio right after 482 00:27:34,580 --> 00:27:38,500 S1: the satellite came in, and you told me before the 483 00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:42,780 S1: program and and, and other times here that it was 484 00:27:42,780 --> 00:27:47,140 S1: years and years and years that Bob went to the 485 00:27:47,140 --> 00:27:51,700 S1: FCC and petitioned and petitioned. And he didn't give up, 486 00:27:51,700 --> 00:27:52,220 S1: did he? 487 00:27:52,260 --> 00:27:56,380 S2: No. And he hired a lawyer, Jeff Southmayd, and they 488 00:27:56,380 --> 00:28:01,260 S2: would go, you could have commercial radio on satellite, but 489 00:28:01,260 --> 00:28:05,580 S2: you couldn't have Christian radio on satellite. And he would 490 00:28:05,580 --> 00:28:07,940 S2: go and petition them and they'd say, no. And he'd 491 00:28:07,940 --> 00:28:11,139 S2: come home and he'd be discouraged. But then he would say, 492 00:28:11,180 --> 00:28:13,580 S2: it's not the final answer. I'm going back in a 493 00:28:13,580 --> 00:28:17,500 S2: year back, he'd go to the FCC. And it's kind 494 00:28:17,540 --> 00:28:21,220 S2: of like, well, God intended it to be a yes, 495 00:28:21,290 --> 00:28:25,810 S2: but it took a determined person, and Moody agreed to 496 00:28:25,850 --> 00:28:30,129 S2: finance this lawyer because Bob wasn't a lawyer. Now he 497 00:28:30,130 --> 00:28:35,250 S2: had motivation and he knew it wasn't right. But finally 498 00:28:35,250 --> 00:28:38,490 S2: it happened. And now I have friends that have radio 499 00:28:38,530 --> 00:28:42,570 S2: networks that have satellite in Africa and in France and 500 00:28:42,570 --> 00:28:48,130 S2: all over the place. It's just it's fabulous. It's absolutely fabulous. 501 00:28:48,610 --> 00:28:52,530 S2: And some of the big networks in the United States 502 00:28:53,090 --> 00:28:55,530 S2: that you don't have to have that many owned and 503 00:28:55,570 --> 00:28:59,690 S2: operated bricks and mortar anymore. Right. And I have seen 504 00:28:59,690 --> 00:29:02,930 S2: people at NRB come up to my husband and thank him. 505 00:29:03,250 --> 00:29:09,810 S2: And they say we're instead of on 25000, we're on 506 00:29:10,330 --> 00:29:15,290 S2: hundreds and hundreds of outlets. And he just graciously nodded. 507 00:29:15,290 --> 00:29:16,610 S2: He just that was because. 508 00:29:16,610 --> 00:29:18,850 S1: Of the satellite. See? And that was the new this 509 00:29:18,850 --> 00:29:24,080 S1: was back in 8182. When. When this all after years 510 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,840 S1: and years and he would not give up. He was 511 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,920 S1: a bulldog because he really wanted the the people who 512 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,080 S1: had Moody radio in their town, you know, in Chicago 513 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,200 S1: and Chattanooga and Cleveland and other places. He wanted that 514 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,400 S1: to be able to go out in Utah in some 515 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,000 S1: barren place that didn't have any Christian radio or in 516 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,160 S1: Wyoming or wherever it was that they didn't have terrestrial 517 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,160 S1: Christian radio. He wanted them to be able to hear that. Right. 518 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,560 S2: We were driving cross country in our Hoopty van with 519 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,400 S2: four kids, and he was we were trying to go 520 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,080 S2: to Spokane because he was visiting the station and we 521 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,680 S2: were driving through, I think it was Montana, and he 522 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,760 S2: looked like he was going to cry. And he said 523 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:14,040 S2: to me, Miriam, they can't hear us here. And that 524 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,400 S2: that may sound like a goofy. And it was like. 525 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,380 S2: And I thought, this man is after something. He's not 526 00:30:21,380 --> 00:30:22,820 S2: going to give up on this. 527 00:30:23,340 --> 00:30:25,380 S1: Well, I go back to the quote that I read 528 00:30:25,380 --> 00:30:29,700 S1: from John Perkins a little earlier, ago, earlier, and that 529 00:30:29,700 --> 00:30:32,220 S1: was the kind of person that Bob was that he 530 00:30:32,220 --> 00:30:34,780 S1: would if this is the fire in his belly, if 531 00:30:34,780 --> 00:30:37,380 S1: this is what. And Perkins said, I think that when 532 00:30:37,380 --> 00:30:39,300 S1: the Lord puts fire in your belly and a call 533 00:30:39,300 --> 00:30:42,020 S1: on your life, quitting is not an option that Bob 534 00:30:42,060 --> 00:30:45,580 S1: had that. But you have that too. You had that 535 00:30:45,580 --> 00:30:48,340 S1: fire in the belly about widows and about pain and 536 00:30:48,340 --> 00:30:50,660 S1: struggle and going all the way to Africa. You're not 537 00:30:50,660 --> 00:30:53,460 S1: going to Africa anymore. I think you've curtailed some of 538 00:30:53,460 --> 00:30:56,180 S1: your trips around the world, right? 539 00:30:56,220 --> 00:30:59,180 S2: Some of the places we travel to now are on 540 00:30:59,180 --> 00:31:02,540 S2: the you can't get a visa there because it's dangerous. Yeah. 541 00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:06,940 S2: And I mean, I'm not 25 anymore either. But the 542 00:31:06,940 --> 00:31:09,460 S2: last project we did in Brazil and I never was 543 00:31:09,460 --> 00:31:12,180 S2: able to go there. But it wasn't sewing machines. It 544 00:31:12,180 --> 00:31:16,220 S2: was doing crafts because they had bazaars and we provided 545 00:31:16,220 --> 00:31:20,410 S2: paint and sewing machines should do these beautiful pillows and 546 00:31:20,410 --> 00:31:23,850 S2: they would monogram sheets and everything. We didn't come and say, 547 00:31:23,850 --> 00:31:26,610 S2: this is what we want you to do. We'd say, 548 00:31:26,610 --> 00:31:29,650 S2: how can you make a living here? And then we 549 00:31:29,690 --> 00:31:32,130 S2: come alongside them. You know, it's great if you give 550 00:31:32,130 --> 00:31:33,970 S2: them a fish, but we just want to teach them 551 00:31:33,970 --> 00:31:38,170 S2: to fish. And I can't tell you how delightful it 552 00:31:38,170 --> 00:31:43,050 S2: has been like to go back for a graduation and 553 00:31:43,090 --> 00:31:46,490 S2: again in the mocha Tweenie village. This lesson in generosity. 554 00:31:46,730 --> 00:31:49,570 S2: This one widow wanted me to see her hut. It 555 00:31:49,570 --> 00:31:52,330 S2: was leaning sideways and she wanted me to see his 556 00:31:52,330 --> 00:31:55,170 S2: corn plot, and I went out to the corn plot. 557 00:31:55,210 --> 00:31:57,530 S2: She broke off an ear and gave it to me. 558 00:31:57,770 --> 00:32:01,090 S2: A third of it was dried up and unusable. She 559 00:32:01,090 --> 00:32:04,130 S2: gave it to me and people told me, you cannot 560 00:32:04,170 --> 00:32:09,050 S2: refuse a gift. That's. But here she is, thin with 561 00:32:09,050 --> 00:32:12,890 S2: practically nothing, and she's giving me an ear of corn. Yes. Now, 562 00:32:12,930 --> 00:32:15,290 S2: I mean, how humbling is that? Look at. 563 00:32:15,290 --> 00:32:17,760 S1: That. Look at that. And you got this. You were 564 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:22,520 S1: able to experience that and talk about it here with us, 565 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,920 S1: right about it. And encourage somebody today who feels like, ah, 566 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,760 S1: I need to give up. I shouldn't shouldn't go. If 567 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,960 S1: there's a fire in your belly, there's a calling on 568 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,720 S1: your life. Don't quit, don't stop, keep going. Uh, Joe's 569 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,200 S1: in North Carolina. Joe, why did you call today? 570 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,600 S5: Yes. Hey, Chris, thank you so much for taking my call. 571 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,280 S5: I called to just express very deep gratitude to God, 572 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,320 S5: to Miriam, and even to you for having her on 573 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,480 S5: this show. Uh, I had my my dad passed away 574 00:32:55,480 --> 00:33:00,320 S5: in 2003 of ALS, and in 2003, my husband was 575 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:05,719 S5: diagnosed with ALS. Uh, and he lived until 2008. Uh, 576 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,360 S5: I had four children. I became a widow at 45, 577 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,800 S5: had been married almost, you know, 20, 28, 29 years 578 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,190 S5: at that point. Um, and it was in 2008 when 579 00:33:16,190 --> 00:33:20,510 S5: the economy had crashed the Great Recession. And I just 580 00:33:20,510 --> 00:33:24,830 S5: felt like life was swirling out of control. Um, and 581 00:33:24,830 --> 00:33:27,150 S5: I know at some point I was listening to Moody, 582 00:33:27,150 --> 00:33:30,190 S5: I listened to Moody out of Chattanooga, and you had 583 00:33:30,190 --> 00:33:34,750 S5: Miriam on your show and introduced the book, and I 584 00:33:34,790 --> 00:33:40,030 S5: immediately got the book. I also reached out directly to Miriam. 585 00:33:40,030 --> 00:33:42,870 S5: I'm not sure how how I was able to do 586 00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:44,950 S5: that at that point, but I did email her and 587 00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:48,430 S5: she emailed and responded back to me. I was at 588 00:33:48,430 --> 00:33:53,230 S5: a very dark place, struggling, had lost the very two 589 00:33:53,270 --> 00:33:56,470 S5: most significant people in my life, certainly my dad and 590 00:33:56,470 --> 00:34:01,430 S5: my husband and both ALS. So it all resonated so much. 591 00:34:01,470 --> 00:34:07,270 S5: God orchestrated it to allow Miriam to just share the 592 00:34:07,310 --> 00:34:10,270 S5: hope that was in her heart. And I do remember 593 00:34:10,270 --> 00:34:14,140 S5: that story about the skis, uh, because I was struggling 594 00:34:14,140 --> 00:34:17,939 S5: with so many things and, um, you know, just the 595 00:34:17,940 --> 00:34:21,940 S5: hope that God imparted into my heart to be able 596 00:34:22,260 --> 00:34:25,620 S5: to just keep treading water. And that's what it felt 597 00:34:25,620 --> 00:34:29,140 S5: like at that time. And for a long time after that, 598 00:34:29,140 --> 00:34:32,740 S5: I have followed her, continued to read the books, um, 599 00:34:32,780 --> 00:34:36,980 S5: and listened to widow Connection, um, you know, dark times, 600 00:34:36,980 --> 00:34:40,819 S5: but yet the Lord was very faithful to lead and 601 00:34:40,820 --> 00:34:45,420 S5: supply just what I needed through, um, through Miriam, through 602 00:34:45,460 --> 00:34:49,859 S5: your radio program, through moody radio. Um, and, you know, 603 00:34:49,900 --> 00:34:53,500 S5: I'm here I am now I'm helping widows in my church. 604 00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:58,260 S5: I've helped start the soul care ministry in our church. Um, and, 605 00:34:58,300 --> 00:35:01,380 S5: you know, being able to serve, but Miriam has inspired 606 00:35:01,380 --> 00:35:05,460 S5: me to do that by all the things she's saying today. 607 00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:08,620 S5: So I just want to say thank you so, so, 608 00:35:08,620 --> 00:35:11,970 S5: so much. And thank you to the Lord for his 609 00:35:11,969 --> 00:35:14,250 S5: faithfulness through the darkest holes. 610 00:35:14,690 --> 00:35:15,770 S1: Amen. Amen. 611 00:35:15,810 --> 00:35:18,170 S2: Oh, I would just like to say you are a 612 00:35:18,170 --> 00:35:19,890 S2: bright and shining star. 613 00:35:20,969 --> 00:35:23,610 S5: Oh. Thank you. That's so true. Thank you. 614 00:35:23,770 --> 00:35:26,649 S1: And it's that original vision, Miriam, that you had. It's 615 00:35:26,650 --> 00:35:32,650 S1: like Joe shouldn't have to walk alone. Somebody coming alongside 616 00:35:32,650 --> 00:35:34,290 S1: her and you were able to do that. You know, 617 00:35:34,330 --> 00:35:37,370 S1: personally with an email and then books and everything else. 618 00:35:37,690 --> 00:35:41,609 S1: But that's what. And now she replicated that the the 619 00:35:41,730 --> 00:35:45,250 S1: comfort that she received, she's giving to others. Right? 620 00:35:45,290 --> 00:35:48,370 S2: Right. And I remember the first time I was asked 621 00:35:48,370 --> 00:35:51,569 S2: to go and speak someplace as a Christian. And I 622 00:35:51,570 --> 00:35:54,129 S2: said to Bob, I can't do that. I don't have 623 00:35:54,130 --> 00:35:57,730 S2: any training. And he said to me, Miriam, you can't 624 00:35:57,730 --> 00:36:01,930 S2: not do that. And I'm like, yes. Good grief. Okay, 625 00:36:01,969 --> 00:36:07,810 S2: then let's. And, you know, here, here I am. And 626 00:36:08,130 --> 00:36:11,200 S2: I've been very much blessed to be able to have 627 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,839 S2: the opportunity to communicate. And I'm not exactly a great communicator, 628 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,120 S2: but I sure do know what I'm talking about. 629 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,040 S1: Well, you've lived it. And Joe, I can't thank you 630 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,200 S1: enough for calling us today and for encouraging Miriam and 631 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,920 S1: for being who you being the light that you are, 632 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,560 S1: that's going to encourage somebody else who's in the middle 633 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,640 S1: of something, maybe not exactly the same thing, but is 634 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,920 S1: in the middle of something, and they're asking those same questions. 635 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:55,040 S1: More with Miriam straight ahead on Moody Radio. Our remaining 636 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,600 S1: moments with Miriam Neff today at the Radio Backyard Fence. 637 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,919 S1: You can find out more about her widow connection at 638 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:06,120 S1: the website. Chris Fabry dot ORG. Rosie's back tomorrow. Don't 639 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,270 S1: miss the book club. The book club that started like 20, 640 00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:13,549 S1: 21 years ago on Moody Radio is coming back. It's 641 00:37:13,550 --> 00:37:16,229 S1: got new life. We're doing Shane tomorrow. If you haven't 642 00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:20,910 S1: read Shane, read it quickly or you'll hear spoiler alert tomorrow. 643 00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:24,430 S1: This is one of those Westerns that I really got 644 00:37:24,430 --> 00:37:27,790 S1: into over the last week or so. So if you 645 00:37:27,830 --> 00:37:31,310 S1: want to get excited about reading again, join us tomorrow. 646 00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:35,510 S1: I'm excited, Miriam, to hear people respond to you. And 647 00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:38,990 S1: Keith is in a really hard place in Florida today. Keith, 648 00:37:38,989 --> 00:37:40,230 S1: tell me why you called. 649 00:37:40,910 --> 00:37:43,510 S6: Yeah. How are you doing? I just happened to be 650 00:37:44,590 --> 00:37:48,350 S6: laying down, uh, in my bed, and I happened to 651 00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:52,750 S6: turn on Moody Radio. Uh, my wife just passed away 652 00:37:52,750 --> 00:37:56,830 S6: two weeks ago from a double lung transplant. Mhm. She 653 00:37:56,830 --> 00:37:59,589 S6: had her lungs for four years, and, uh, we were 654 00:37:59,590 --> 00:38:06,670 S6: actually going to celebrate her fourth year of of. She 655 00:38:06,670 --> 00:38:10,740 S6: colored her birthday, but she went in for her yearly 656 00:38:10,739 --> 00:38:16,859 S6: checkup and her potassium level had risen. Uh, and it 657 00:38:16,860 --> 00:38:22,460 S6: started causing other complications where, you know, when you have, um, lungs, 658 00:38:23,060 --> 00:38:25,860 S6: they get suppressed. They want to suppress them with medicine. 659 00:38:25,860 --> 00:38:30,380 S6: And she caught an infection and just, you know, over 660 00:38:30,420 --> 00:38:33,020 S6: a seven week period, she couldn't get out. She, she 661 00:38:33,060 --> 00:38:36,779 S6: tried to get out. We tried to get out. They 662 00:38:36,780 --> 00:38:39,660 S6: had to put a trache in her neck and she 663 00:38:39,700 --> 00:38:44,420 S6: never could get out of the hospital, uh, to celebrate 664 00:38:44,420 --> 00:38:49,660 S6: that four year anniversary. And, uh, I am going through 665 00:38:49,660 --> 00:38:54,540 S6: some trials and tribulations. I am so, so sad. And 666 00:38:54,580 --> 00:38:58,700 S6: I just wanted to call because I just heard that, 667 00:38:58,739 --> 00:39:02,180 S6: you know, you're helping women, you know, with when they 668 00:39:02,219 --> 00:39:06,250 S6: have lost their loved ones. But now I've lost my wife, 669 00:39:06,290 --> 00:39:08,370 S6: and I just happened to hear your show, and I 670 00:39:08,370 --> 00:39:12,489 S6: just wanted to call in and, um, maybe where can 671 00:39:12,489 --> 00:39:15,649 S6: I go to get some counseling or also as well 672 00:39:15,690 --> 00:39:20,810 S6: to how can I, you know, keep my wife's name 673 00:39:20,810 --> 00:39:25,569 S6: going in some type of legacy or whatever I can 674 00:39:25,570 --> 00:39:28,770 S6: do because that makes me feel good that because I 675 00:39:28,770 --> 00:39:31,210 S6: know you're doing something with, you know, you say you're 676 00:39:31,210 --> 00:39:35,370 S6: doing something with your husband helping his name and, you know, just, 677 00:39:35,370 --> 00:39:38,689 S6: just to live and to feel better. I feel, you know, 678 00:39:38,730 --> 00:39:43,089 S6: and I'm just calling for some, some insight help. 679 00:39:43,130 --> 00:39:45,169 S1: I'm so glad you did. And one of the things 680 00:39:45,170 --> 00:39:49,210 S1: I've learned from Miriam is speak her name. And I 681 00:39:49,210 --> 00:39:51,530 S1: think I see on my screen. Is it Barbara Ann? 682 00:39:51,810 --> 00:39:52,850 S1: Is that her name? 683 00:39:52,890 --> 00:39:55,050 S6: My wife's name was Barbara Ann. Yes. 684 00:39:55,090 --> 00:39:58,890 S1: Okay. So, Miriam, that's one thing that you do with 685 00:39:58,890 --> 00:40:02,330 S1: those who have lost loved ones is speak the name. Right. 686 00:40:02,570 --> 00:40:04,690 S2: Well, you know, Keith, you are going to be a 687 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,000 S2: blessing to so many. And you said you were lying down. 688 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,960 S2: And I know that probably means you're very weary and 689 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,160 S2: you may not feel like getting up, but in God's time, 690 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,080 S2: he will not only have you on your feet, he 691 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:23,200 S2: will have you blessing other people. And he knows your loss. 692 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,880 S2: He feels it with you. And when you have these 693 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,960 S2: things that are complex and hard, which you said you 694 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,400 S2: did it onto God's shoulders, I don't it doesn't matter 695 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,960 S2: whether you're a strong and whether you were a football 696 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,720 S2: player or whether how strong you are, your shoulders aren't 697 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:46,000 S2: strong enough to carry that onto God's shoulders. And you know, 698 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,399 S2: God says he collects our tears in a bottle. I 699 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,160 S2: think he has a bathtub for mine. Mhm. 700 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:52,680 S6: So? 701 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,520 S2: So it's okay to cry. It's okay to say, I 702 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,920 S2: don't like this. It's okay to lay down. But that's 703 00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:04,180 S2: going to be temporary. But it'll be Not in the 704 00:41:04,540 --> 00:41:07,939 S2: time you thought. I mean, goodness, God has things in 705 00:41:07,940 --> 00:41:10,580 S2: my life. It's not in the timing, I thought, but 706 00:41:10,580 --> 00:41:13,980 S2: he will do it in his time. Everything in Scripture 707 00:41:13,980 --> 00:41:17,740 S2: points to that, and I have found I lean into 708 00:41:17,739 --> 00:41:22,100 S2: the word more. I have verses taped up on the 709 00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:25,660 S2: wall in my kitchen, kitchen waste taped up on the 710 00:41:25,660 --> 00:41:29,259 S2: wall by my computer. Ones that encourage me. You know 711 00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:35,060 S2: the 23rd Psalm where God says, don't worry about anything. 712 00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:38,060 S2: Cast your cares on the Lord. He will care for you. I, 713 00:41:38,180 --> 00:41:42,340 S2: I print those verses in big print because I'm not 714 00:41:42,340 --> 00:41:45,860 S2: 24 anymore. And I tape them on the wall. And 715 00:41:45,860 --> 00:41:48,900 S2: that helps me through the days when I think, wow, 716 00:41:49,140 --> 00:41:50,899 S2: I got a big list here and some of this 717 00:41:50,900 --> 00:41:54,740 S2: stuff is heavy. Roll it onto his shoulders, Keith. Roll 718 00:41:54,739 --> 00:41:56,020 S2: it onto his shoulders. 719 00:41:56,300 --> 00:42:01,500 S6: Yes. And I've been actually constantly Proverbs three five and six, 720 00:42:01,540 --> 00:42:04,729 S6: you know, love the Lord with all your heart. Lean 721 00:42:04,770 --> 00:42:09,250 S6: not on your own understanding. And in all you try, 722 00:42:09,290 --> 00:42:12,610 S6: you know, acknowledge him and he shall direct your path. 723 00:42:13,090 --> 00:42:16,170 S6: You know, because I need his strength, I need, I 724 00:42:16,210 --> 00:42:19,490 S6: need him right now, during this time in my life, 725 00:42:19,530 --> 00:42:24,330 S6: you know, I'm asking him for, you know, his his 726 00:42:24,330 --> 00:42:28,450 S6: peace not of this world, but his peace, which is clean, 727 00:42:28,450 --> 00:42:34,209 S6: it's pure, and it's endless and constantly. I'm calling on 728 00:42:34,210 --> 00:42:36,050 S6: God for strength right now. 729 00:42:36,570 --> 00:42:41,370 S2: Well, Keith, that was that was my husband's lifetime verses, really. 730 00:42:41,410 --> 00:42:44,290 S2: And they were his lifetime verses. And they carried him 731 00:42:44,330 --> 00:42:47,570 S2: till he went to heaven. And they're going to carry you. 732 00:42:48,210 --> 00:42:49,410 S6: Thank you. Thank you so much. 733 00:42:49,450 --> 00:42:53,610 S1: And I think, Keith, you mentioned the counseling thing. I 734 00:42:53,610 --> 00:42:56,770 S1: think that a lot of men feel like, well, I 735 00:42:56,810 --> 00:42:58,770 S1: got to do this myself, and I got to do 736 00:42:58,770 --> 00:43:01,160 S1: it in my own strength. And you've already said, no, 737 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,960 S1: I can't do it. But it's like, but but how 738 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,000 S1: do you get out? How do you break out of that? 739 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,320 S1: I think counseling, you know, some a counselor at your church, 740 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,480 S1: a pastor, somebody you can talk with, or just another 741 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,279 S1: man who's gone through this that you can, you know, 742 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,000 S1: who's written about it or, or who could sit down 743 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,359 S1: face to face and have a conversation like that. I 744 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,040 S1: think that's really going to be gold for your own 745 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,399 S1: heart to know that you're not alone with that. What 746 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:28,040 S1: do you think? 747 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:32,000 S2: Well, and there's this thing called griefshare in many areas. 748 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,120 S6: Yes, yes. Okay. And I do have one in my 749 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,920 S6: church and I've been reading a book. It's called How 750 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,439 S6: to Live When a Loved One Has Died. Good. So 751 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,439 S6: I've been reading that and, um, just doing a lot 752 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,080 S6: of spending a lot of time with the Lord. And 753 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:53,080 S6: lately what I've been doing is in the evenings I 754 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:57,880 S6: go out to this golf course and, um, you know, 755 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,710 S6: the golf course closes at 5:00. I go out with 756 00:44:01,710 --> 00:44:05,870 S6: my lawn chair, my Bible, some water because it's so 757 00:44:05,870 --> 00:44:09,310 S6: hot down in Florida, and I take my shoes off 758 00:44:09,630 --> 00:44:13,229 S6: and I just meditate into the moment. And I just 759 00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:17,029 S6: asked God for his strength. I ask God for his peace, 760 00:44:17,550 --> 00:44:20,790 S6: and I ask God just to, to, to just to 761 00:44:20,830 --> 00:44:23,029 S6: hold me in his arms, you know? And I look 762 00:44:23,070 --> 00:44:27,870 S6: at nature and it's quiet and it's still. And I 763 00:44:28,110 --> 00:44:32,710 S6: do get some, some, some good relief from that. 764 00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:37,470 S1: I'm glad you said that, Keith, because even in your grief, 765 00:44:37,469 --> 00:44:41,469 S1: even after losing Barbara Ann, after only two weeks, you're 766 00:44:41,469 --> 00:44:45,230 S1: speaking into the life of somebody else. And just that 767 00:44:45,630 --> 00:44:48,150 S1: I have calmed and quieted my soul. I think of 768 00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:51,630 S1: Psalm 131. I have calmed and quieted my soul like 769 00:44:51,630 --> 00:44:55,350 S1: a weaned child with its mother, like a weaned child 770 00:44:55,350 --> 00:44:59,140 S1: is my soul within me. The grief is real. The 771 00:44:59,140 --> 00:45:04,900 S1: struggle is real. But you're committed to hanging on to God. 772 00:45:05,219 --> 00:45:08,780 S1: And I'm so sorry that that happened with Barbara Ann. 773 00:45:09,020 --> 00:45:12,140 S1: And I'm glad that you called in here today. Hang on. 774 00:45:12,140 --> 00:45:16,060 S1: I want Tricia to get some information from you. Miriam, 775 00:45:16,060 --> 00:45:17,939 S1: it's always a pleasure to get to talk with you. 776 00:45:17,940 --> 00:45:20,820 S1: Always go so fast. You got to come back soon, okay? 777 00:45:20,980 --> 00:45:23,020 S2: You don't want me to come and sing a song? 778 00:45:24,219 --> 00:45:28,180 S1: I'll get my guitar and we'll. We'll do. We'll do that. Friend. 779 00:45:28,219 --> 00:45:32,859 S1: Be encouraged. You have done something really, really good with 780 00:45:32,860 --> 00:45:36,540 S1: your life, Miriam. What with the pain and the struggle. 781 00:45:36,540 --> 00:45:39,460 S1: You have been a good steward of that. Keep stewarding 782 00:45:39,460 --> 00:45:40,460 S1: it well, okay. 783 00:45:40,620 --> 00:45:41,620 S2: God is good. 784 00:45:42,060 --> 00:45:46,060 S1: Amen. That's Miriam Neff. If you go to Chris fabry.org. 785 00:45:46,340 --> 00:45:50,140 S1: Where do I go from here? She's also written from 786 00:45:50,140 --> 00:45:54,140 S1: one widow to another. And as well, you'll see at 787 00:45:54,180 --> 00:45:59,050 S1: that website, Chris Fabry live.org. 5.org Wise Women Managing Money 788 00:45:59,050 --> 00:46:01,890 S1: that she wrote with her daughter Valerie. That's one of 789 00:46:01,890 --> 00:46:04,930 S1: the great things about Moody Radio, is we introduce you 790 00:46:04,930 --> 00:46:08,210 S1: to some of these resources that you may not know about, 791 00:46:08,210 --> 00:46:11,970 S1: or that you meet somebody like Keith and you say, hey, 792 00:46:12,170 --> 00:46:14,810 S1: I heard about Griefshare on Moody Radio, or I heard 793 00:46:14,810 --> 00:46:20,250 S1: about this book, this resource that might help you. Just 794 00:46:20,250 --> 00:46:24,130 S1: go to Chris Fabry live.org. Tomorrow, we're going to have 795 00:46:24,130 --> 00:46:27,210 S1: a lot of fun because Rosie Day Rose. She's always 796 00:46:27,210 --> 00:46:30,250 S1: a lot of fun. She deals with art and communication 797 00:46:30,250 --> 00:46:33,009 S1: and literature and poetry. And tomorrow we're going to talk 798 00:46:33,010 --> 00:46:36,450 S1: about a Western, a novel. That's right. The book club 799 00:46:36,450 --> 00:46:38,610 S1: is back. And I hope you'll join us right here 800 00:46:38,810 --> 00:46:42,250 S1: on Chris Fabry Live, which is a production of Moody Radio, 801 00:46:42,450 --> 00:46:46,890 S1: a Ministry of Moody Bible Institute. Online. Chris Fabry live.org.