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Now 39 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,199 S1: please enjoy the broadcast. 40 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:42,360 S2: Here are some of the news headlines we're watching. 41 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,000 S3: The conference was over. The president won a pledge. 42 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,120 S4: Americans worshiping government over God. 43 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,880 S3: Extremely rare safety move by a major 17 years. 44 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,400 S5: The Palestinians and Israelis negotiated to. 45 00:02:10,050 --> 00:02:13,770 S6: Throughout the night of March 9th, the assailant began visiting 46 00:02:13,770 --> 00:02:18,570 S6: numerous different web pages of Jewish cultural, educational and religious 47 00:02:18,570 --> 00:02:22,610 S6: centers all throughout the Detroit metro area, and even viewed 48 00:02:22,610 --> 00:02:27,330 S6: multiple pages of upcoming events at Temple Israel during the 49 00:02:27,330 --> 00:02:30,090 S6: morning and early morning of March 10th. He continued his 50 00:02:30,130 --> 00:02:33,570 S6: online searches with specific search terms and phrases such as 51 00:02:33,610 --> 00:02:39,450 S6: the largest gathering of Israelis in Michigan Orthodox synagogues, Israelis 52 00:02:39,490 --> 00:02:43,250 S6: near me. What time is the Trump rally in Michigan, 53 00:02:44,290 --> 00:02:47,290 S6: as well as a center affiliated with the Israeli embassy 54 00:02:47,290 --> 00:02:51,290 S6: in Michigan? He later attempted to try and delete these queries, 55 00:02:51,290 --> 00:02:55,490 S6: but we were able to recover them at approximately 1 p.m. 56 00:02:55,530 --> 00:02:59,010 S6: on March 10th, the assailant visited a local shooting range 57 00:02:59,010 --> 00:03:02,970 S6: and practiced shooting his new weapon. He then drove to 58 00:03:03,010 --> 00:03:07,370 S6: the local fireworks vendor that he researched. At approximately 2 p.m. 59 00:03:07,650 --> 00:03:13,930 S6: and purchased over $2,200 of fireworks. After leaving that local 60 00:03:13,930 --> 00:03:18,050 S6: fireworks vendor, he continued reviewing web pages related to Temple Israel, 61 00:03:18,530 --> 00:03:24,329 S6: its clergy, and its upcoming events. On March 11th, the 62 00:03:24,330 --> 00:03:28,329 S6: day before the attack in the early morning, he began 63 00:03:28,370 --> 00:03:33,010 S6: adding photos to a Facebook profile photo album that he 64 00:03:33,010 --> 00:03:37,170 S6: entitled vengeance, and he started including images such as the 65 00:03:37,170 --> 00:03:41,650 S6: late Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei, as well as the 66 00:03:41,650 --> 00:03:45,810 S6: late Hezbollah secretary general Hassan Nasrallah. With there on the 67 00:03:45,810 --> 00:03:49,330 S6: right in Arabic, it says burn their world. For we 68 00:03:49,330 --> 00:03:52,170 S6: have a vendetta against them that we will never forget. 69 00:03:52,890 --> 00:03:53,250 S3: Wow. 70 00:03:53,810 --> 00:03:56,370 S1: Welcome to In the Market with Janet Partial. So glad 71 00:03:56,370 --> 00:03:59,250 S1: we're going to be spending the hour together. Who does 72 00:03:59,250 --> 00:04:02,730 S1: that spends that kind of time and research foments that 73 00:04:02,730 --> 00:04:05,690 S1: much hate plots, that kind of evil? Well, the person 74 00:04:05,690 --> 00:04:08,170 S1: you just heard is Jennifer Runyon. She happens to be 75 00:04:08,170 --> 00:04:11,570 S1: the FBI special agent in charge. And she is, of course, 76 00:04:11,570 --> 00:04:14,770 S1: referring to the day a man took his car and 77 00:04:14,770 --> 00:04:17,930 S1: drove it into Temple Israel in a suburb in Michigan. 78 00:04:18,290 --> 00:04:21,170 S1: And by the grace of God, the daycare center, which 79 00:04:21,170 --> 00:04:24,690 S1: is also located at that location, the kids weren't meeting 80 00:04:24,690 --> 00:04:26,490 S1: there right now, and it was thanks to a man 81 00:04:26,490 --> 00:04:29,330 S1: who was working inside the temple, Israel, that this man 82 00:04:29,330 --> 00:04:33,210 S1: was stopped in his tracks. Absolutely unbelievable. So you use 83 00:04:33,210 --> 00:04:36,090 S1: the word anti-Semitic. It isn't even a broad enough word. 84 00:04:36,089 --> 00:04:39,409 S1: It seems to me it is demonic activity. There's a 85 00:04:39,410 --> 00:04:41,930 S1: saying you learn your first week sitting in philosophy class. 86 00:04:41,970 --> 00:04:45,050 S1: Ideas have consequences. Good ideas have good consequences. Come on, 87 00:04:45,050 --> 00:04:47,370 S1: you can fill in the blank. Bad ideas have. Yeah, 88 00:04:47,410 --> 00:04:51,409 S1: you got it. Bad consequences. These are bad ideas. In fact, 89 00:04:51,410 --> 00:04:55,250 S1: let me be bolder. They're hellish ideas, and it's imperative 90 00:04:55,250 --> 00:04:57,250 S1: that we pick them up, pick them up and throw 91 00:04:57,250 --> 00:05:00,250 S1: them outside and put them in the disinfectant of sunlight. 92 00:05:00,290 --> 00:05:04,089 S1: S o n and start to understand exactly where this 93 00:05:04,089 --> 00:05:07,250 S1: hatred toward modern day Israel comes from, toward the Jewish people. 94 00:05:07,250 --> 00:05:09,969 S1: The idea that somehow God is not who God tells 95 00:05:09,970 --> 00:05:12,250 S1: us he is, that he changes his mind, that there's 96 00:05:12,250 --> 00:05:16,729 S1: no such thing as an unconditional covenant made in Scripture. 97 00:05:16,770 --> 00:05:19,570 S1: That's somewhere between Malachi and Matthew. God changed his mind. 98 00:05:19,570 --> 00:05:21,409 S1: And then, oh my, oh my, we've got the rise 99 00:05:21,410 --> 00:05:24,330 S1: on the right of the groypers who really and truly 100 00:05:24,330 --> 00:05:27,290 S1: hate the Jewish people and blame them for anything under 101 00:05:27,290 --> 00:05:30,090 S1: the sun. Well, speaking of the sun, there's nothing new 102 00:05:30,130 --> 00:05:33,330 S1: under the sun. The writer of Ecclesiastes tells us, including 103 00:05:33,330 --> 00:05:35,930 S1: hatred toward the Jewish people. So I think today would 104 00:05:35,930 --> 00:05:37,370 S1: be a good day to open the phones and let 105 00:05:37,370 --> 00:05:39,849 S1: you ask any question you've got. Even if your idea 106 00:05:39,890 --> 00:05:42,409 S1: you think or your question might not be popular, there's 107 00:05:42,410 --> 00:05:45,090 S1: nothing like a good conversation to help determine what is 108 00:05:45,089 --> 00:05:47,370 S1: right from what is wrong, what is biblical, from what 109 00:05:47,370 --> 00:05:50,210 S1: is absolutely not. Especially when you have a teacher like 110 00:05:50,210 --> 00:05:53,060 S1: Doctor Michael Riedel Thrill that we're going to spend another 111 00:05:53,060 --> 00:05:56,140 S1: hour together with him. He is professor emeritus of Jewish 112 00:05:56,140 --> 00:05:58,700 S1: studies and Bible at Moody Bible Institute. He's also the 113 00:05:58,700 --> 00:06:01,500 S1: host of Open Line with Doctor Michael Radnich heard on 114 00:06:01,540 --> 00:06:06,420 S1: hundreds of stations all across the country. He's written wonderful books, co-authored, 115 00:06:06,420 --> 00:06:09,180 S1: contributed to fabulous work. There's not a book he's written 116 00:06:09,180 --> 00:06:12,339 S1: I wouldn't recommend including the latest, which was done, I think, 117 00:06:12,339 --> 00:06:14,300 S1: as a response to a cry that was being heard 118 00:06:14,300 --> 00:06:16,580 S1: in the culture, the kinds of questions that I just 119 00:06:16,620 --> 00:06:18,860 S1: asked you. So leave it to Michael to roll up 120 00:06:18,860 --> 00:06:20,580 S1: his sleeves, open up the Word of God and write 121 00:06:20,580 --> 00:06:23,780 S1: the book. How should Christians think about Israel? A quick 122 00:06:23,779 --> 00:06:27,740 S1: Guide to God's covenants, biblical prophecy, and the Jewish people. 123 00:06:27,740 --> 00:06:29,659 S1: It's already in a second printing. Now that's how many 124 00:06:29,660 --> 00:06:31,740 S1: people want to get this book. I have said it. 125 00:06:31,740 --> 00:06:33,860 S1: I'll say it again. You get one for yourself so 126 00:06:33,860 --> 00:06:35,940 S1: that you can open up the Word of God. Read 127 00:06:35,940 --> 00:06:38,180 S1: what this has to say from a man who is 128 00:06:38,180 --> 00:06:41,539 S1: not only the son of Holocaust survivors and knows what 129 00:06:41,580 --> 00:06:44,420 S1: Jewish history is all about, but he follows Yeshua as 130 00:06:44,420 --> 00:06:47,180 S1: his personal Messiah and it'll clear up the clutter. And 131 00:06:47,180 --> 00:06:49,180 S1: I'm saying, buy one for yourself and then get ten 132 00:06:49,180 --> 00:06:51,620 S1: copies and hand it out to your friends in your 133 00:06:51,620 --> 00:06:54,540 S1: small group, even in your church, your family, even who 134 00:06:54,580 --> 00:06:57,539 S1: are coming up with some ideas that are absolutely not 135 00:06:57,540 --> 00:06:59,219 S1: in alignment with the Word of God when it comes 136 00:06:59,220 --> 00:07:04,220 S1: to the nation of Israel. So today, (877) 548-3675, you're going 137 00:07:04,220 --> 00:07:06,340 S1: to need that number. So you can ask doctor Nick, 138 00:07:06,339 --> 00:07:08,980 S1: any question you've got about the nation of Israel. Go ahead, 139 00:07:09,020 --> 00:07:12,860 S1: ask about replacement theology, covenant theology. Uh, why you think 140 00:07:12,900 --> 00:07:16,020 S1: Israel shouldn't be, uh, the Jewish state, why you think 141 00:07:16,020 --> 00:07:18,100 S1: God should turn his back on the nation of Israel 142 00:07:18,140 --> 00:07:22,140 S1: because they have rejected as Messiah. Ask those questions. Let 143 00:07:22,140 --> 00:07:24,540 S1: me just forewarn you. You're going to get a good, concise, clear, 144 00:07:24,540 --> 00:07:30,700 S1: and far more importantly, biblical answer (877) 548-3675. Michael. The warmest 145 00:07:30,700 --> 00:07:32,900 S1: of welcomes. I have to say publicly to you what 146 00:07:32,900 --> 00:07:36,460 S1: you know, privately, which is I treasure these conversations with 147 00:07:36,460 --> 00:07:38,620 S1: you and I thank you so much for being with me. 148 00:07:38,660 --> 00:07:40,900 S1: You're back off the road. You've been traveling, you've been 149 00:07:40,900 --> 00:07:43,940 S1: giving all kinds of speeches. Um, well received, not the 150 00:07:43,940 --> 00:07:46,980 S1: least bit surprised, but I want to talk about that 151 00:07:46,980 --> 00:07:48,780 S1: at some point. But I really want to talk about 152 00:07:48,780 --> 00:07:51,500 S1: your friend Amir. Why do you want to talk about Amir? 153 00:07:52,220 --> 00:07:56,340 S7: Ah, Amir. I just want people to know what a 154 00:07:56,500 --> 00:08:01,180 S7: what real people are like in Israel. Uh, Amir is 155 00:08:01,500 --> 00:08:06,820 S7: probably 48. Um, maybe 47, 49, somewhere around there. He's 156 00:08:06,860 --> 00:08:10,860 S7: a family man. Loves his kids, loves his wife. Uh, 157 00:08:10,900 --> 00:08:13,940 S7: he's a tour guide. He doesn't work for big groups. 158 00:08:13,940 --> 00:08:17,540 S7: He takes personal tours around the country. Uh, I've been 159 00:08:17,540 --> 00:08:22,300 S7: to his house for Shabbat at his parents in, uh, 160 00:08:22,300 --> 00:08:26,700 S7: in the area of Medellin, which is outside of Jerusalem. 161 00:08:26,740 --> 00:08:27,260 S1: Um. 162 00:08:27,820 --> 00:08:31,420 S7: And, uh, went there for Shabbat and had a wonderful 163 00:08:31,420 --> 00:08:35,700 S7: time with him and his parents and his siblings and all. 164 00:08:35,740 --> 00:08:41,220 S7: I mean, they all get together every Friday night. And, uh, anyway, 165 00:08:42,059 --> 00:08:46,620 S7: since ten seven, he has been in reserves because he 166 00:08:46,620 --> 00:08:49,310 S7: has a very specialized role in the military. I won't 167 00:08:49,350 --> 00:08:52,670 S7: talk about that, but he has been in reserves, which 168 00:08:52,670 --> 00:08:54,990 S7: he should be out of by now, by his age, 169 00:08:55,309 --> 00:08:59,950 S7: but he has been acting since, uh, since ten, seven, 170 00:08:59,950 --> 00:09:02,910 S7: about 80% of the time in reserves. Now he's in 171 00:09:02,910 --> 00:09:06,469 S7: Lebanon and his parents home was hit with a Hezbollah 172 00:09:06,470 --> 00:09:10,550 S7: rocket and destroyed just a couple of days ago. 173 00:09:10,830 --> 00:09:13,110 S1: Oh, wow. I want to follow up on that, Michael, 174 00:09:13,110 --> 00:09:14,950 S1: your radio pro, you know what that music means. So 175 00:09:14,950 --> 00:09:16,870 S1: let me pick it up on the other side. In 176 00:09:16,870 --> 00:09:19,189 S1: the meantime, let me encourage you, Michael, because the lines 177 00:09:19,190 --> 00:09:24,390 S1: are lighting up and that doesn't surprise me at all. (877) 548-3675. 178 00:09:24,429 --> 00:09:26,270 S1: Now friends, my team are going to stack as quickly 179 00:09:26,270 --> 00:09:28,430 S1: as they can. So please be patient while they get 180 00:09:28,429 --> 00:09:30,870 S1: your question online. We want to hear what you have 181 00:09:30,870 --> 00:09:32,630 S1: to say. This is a wonderful time for you to 182 00:09:32,670 --> 00:09:36,670 S1: separate again cultural chatter from biblical truth back after this. 183 00:09:51,030 --> 00:09:53,710 S1: As culture continues to stumble into darkness, it's easy to 184 00:09:53,750 --> 00:09:56,030 S1: lose heart and grow weary in your faith. And that's 185 00:09:56,030 --> 00:09:58,190 S1: why I've chosen Called to Take a bold stand by 186 00:09:58,190 --> 00:10:00,790 S1: pastor Jack Hibbs as this month's truth tool. Learn how 187 00:10:00,790 --> 00:10:03,790 S1: to represent Christ courageously in a hurting world. As for 188 00:10:03,790 --> 00:10:05,790 S1: your copy of call to take a bold stand when 189 00:10:05,790 --> 00:10:07,750 S1: you give a gift of any amount to in the market, 190 00:10:07,750 --> 00:10:12,189 S1: call 877. Janet 58. That's 877. Janet 58. Or go 191 00:10:12,190 --> 00:10:14,550 S1: to in the market with Janet Parshall dot o r g. 192 00:10:16,190 --> 00:10:18,470 S1: This is in the market with Janet partial. Doctor Michael 193 00:10:19,030 --> 00:10:21,270 S1: is with us and we are taking your questions on 194 00:10:21,270 --> 00:10:24,950 S1: all things Israel. So move away from the podcasters, the 195 00:10:24,950 --> 00:10:29,150 S1: cultural chatter, the palpable anti-Semitism and just get answers to 196 00:10:29,190 --> 00:10:36,709 S1: your questions. Biblical, clear, concise answers to your questions about Israel. (877) 548-3675. Interesting. 197 00:10:36,750 --> 00:10:40,510 S1: Aaron um one a post that I just read, let 198 00:10:40,510 --> 00:10:42,990 S1: me not say the name. It's immaterial. Just put up 199 00:10:42,990 --> 00:10:45,150 S1: a quote from Tony Blair, who, if you were looking 200 00:10:45,150 --> 00:10:47,470 S1: at a political spectrum, would be left of centre, just 201 00:10:47,470 --> 00:10:50,030 S1: made this statement. I know some say that defending the 202 00:10:50,030 --> 00:10:52,470 S1: state of Israel is not the way to defeat anti-Semitism, 203 00:10:52,470 --> 00:10:55,350 S1: but there is more at stake than simply defending Israel. 204 00:10:55,350 --> 00:10:58,950 S1: It's about defending reason, defending facts, standing up to the 205 00:10:58,950 --> 00:11:02,830 S1: noise and intimidation to assert the truth. Michael, that's I'm 206 00:11:02,830 --> 00:11:04,350 S1: going to come back to Amir in a minute. But 207 00:11:04,350 --> 00:11:06,990 S1: that's pretty bold because if you look at Tony Blair's 208 00:11:06,990 --> 00:11:09,470 S1: track record, it hasn't been all that good in terms 209 00:11:09,470 --> 00:11:11,790 S1: of supporting the nation bill. He's been an ardent supporter 210 00:11:11,790 --> 00:11:15,510 S1: of the two state solution. I wonder what personal, no 211 00:11:15,510 --> 00:11:18,550 S1: pun intended, Damascus Road experience he's had on this that's 212 00:11:18,550 --> 00:11:20,270 S1: made him talk with such clarity now. 213 00:11:20,429 --> 00:11:23,709 S7: Well, I actually think that that he thought the two 214 00:11:23,750 --> 00:11:28,630 S7: state solution was the I believe that was the best 215 00:11:28,630 --> 00:11:32,190 S7: pro-Israel plan that that they could come up with. And 216 00:11:32,230 --> 00:11:35,390 S7: he kind of reminds me of Bill Clinton. They were 217 00:11:35,390 --> 00:11:38,790 S7: similar in their approaches to the Arab-Israeli conflict and the 218 00:11:38,790 --> 00:11:42,230 S7: Palestinian conflict. And of course, Bill Clinton wanted a two 219 00:11:42,390 --> 00:11:46,670 S7: state solution. And the problem is, listen, a lot of 220 00:11:46,670 --> 00:11:50,189 S7: us wanted a two state solution. The problem was that 221 00:11:50,190 --> 00:11:55,710 S7: the Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat, and then, uh, the Abbas 222 00:11:55,710 --> 00:11:58,670 S7: Mahmoud Abbas who followed him, neither of them wanted a 223 00:11:58,670 --> 00:12:01,190 S7: two state solution. They want a one state solution, which 224 00:12:01,190 --> 00:12:07,070 S7: is a Palestinian state replacing Israel. So, uh, I think 225 00:12:07,070 --> 00:12:10,670 S7: what's happened is, uh, what is it that someone said 226 00:12:10,670 --> 00:12:15,510 S7: a neoconservative is, is someone who's been, uh, uh, uh, 227 00:12:17,110 --> 00:12:20,110 S7: face reality or something or been mugged by reality. 228 00:12:20,190 --> 00:12:20,870 S1: That's exactly. 229 00:12:20,910 --> 00:12:24,390 S7: Right. Mugged by reality. And I think what happened was, uh, 230 00:12:24,390 --> 00:12:28,150 S7: Tony Blair. And now if you actually heard Bill Clinton 231 00:12:28,230 --> 00:12:34,230 S7: on the campaign in 2024, he also was mugged by reality. Mhm. 232 00:12:34,429 --> 00:12:37,790 S7: It's very interesting that those people who were involved in 233 00:12:37,830 --> 00:12:43,360 S7: negotiations with the Palestinians and with the Israelis back in 234 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:48,959 S7: 2000 and that period. They're not quite as, uh, they, 235 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,559 S7: they even if they're left of center. They understand what 236 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,280 S7: reality is. They've been mugged by reality. I think that's 237 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:56,120 S7: what's happened. 238 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,000 S1: I think that's a perfect way to put it, by 239 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,120 S1: the way. It's appeared on Ex multiple times where post 240 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,960 S1: his presidential experience, Bill Clinton has talked about how everything 241 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:09,720 S1: was handed to the Palestinians, particularly Yasser Arafat, and just 242 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,520 S1: grossly rejected. So his exasperation comes through loud and clear. 243 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,440 S1: It's like, what more do you want? Well, let's say 244 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,840 S1: the part out loud. They want the annihilation of the 245 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,720 S1: Jewish people from the river to the sea. Still language 246 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,600 S1: in the PLO charter to this day, they haven't deviated 247 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,720 S1: for one centimetre. I mean, that's exactly where they still stand. 248 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,120 S1: I got a lot of people that want to talk 249 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:30,160 S1: to you, but I'd love for you to put a 250 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,480 S1: capstone on a mirror. This man who's way beyond the 251 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,240 S1: age of mandatory service in Israel, three years for men, 252 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,760 S1: two years for women. He's way beyond that. He's got 253 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,760 S1: a special spot that he fills in the military serving 254 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,240 S1: now in Lebanon. His folks home gets hit by a missile. 255 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:44,240 S1: So tell me more. 256 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,240 S7: Well, I just and he was he was very it 257 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,160 S7: was interesting. He says, well, everyone was okay. They were 258 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,720 S7: in the shelter. Everyone's okay. So we'll just fix it. 259 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,280 S7: And it was, it was like the most, you know, 260 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,800 S7: this is what it is. And I thought a lot 261 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,400 S7: of people have no idea. First of all, this is 262 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,679 S7: a family man. He's a loving dad, loving husband. Uh, 263 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,960 S7: he doesn't believe in Yeshua yet. Uh, but one of 264 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,320 S7: the most amazing things about him is I gave him 265 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,679 S7: a copy of a Bible, uh, an CSB version of 266 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,120 S7: the Bible that, uh, a few years ago. And he 267 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,880 S7: loves it. He says, I really understand it. And he, uh, 268 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,880 S7: I ran into him when I was in Israel in September. Uh, 269 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:31,080 S7: and he was guiding a couple, uh, to Jewish people from, uh, 270 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,440 S7: from LA and he said, hey, could you give them 271 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:40,200 S7: a Bible like you gave me And I said, well, sure, 272 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,760 S7: but you know, it has a New Testament in it. 273 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,520 S7: He says, yeah, that's what they need. And so. 274 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:46,040 S2: Oh. 275 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:46,120 S7: I. 276 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,200 S1: Love stories like that. And so. 277 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,560 S7: And we, you know, we talk about scripture together. We, 278 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,480 S7: we engage about archaeology together. It it's just that he's 279 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,760 S7: such a wonderful person. And here's what. And he's loving 280 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,360 S7: and kind and generous and, uh, and what I think 281 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,200 S7: and he recognizes that I think he needs to know 282 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,360 S7: the Messiah to have his sins forgiven. He's not sure 283 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,880 S7: of that as of yet. Now, here's, here's the point. 284 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:17,440 S7: So many people think, oh, Israel is this evil nation. And, uh, 285 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,680 S7: they haven't accepted the Messiah. And so we're going. I've 286 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:25,880 S7: seen believers write this on my social media pages when 287 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,920 S7: we're advertising the the hand, not not the handbook, the, uh, 288 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,000 S7: how should Christians think about Israel? And they're like, well, 289 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,040 S7: they've rejected the Messiah. God's done with them. We don't care. 290 00:15:36,090 --> 00:15:39,650 S7: And I think, how are they going to win people 291 00:15:39,650 --> 00:15:43,890 S7: over this way? Uh, you know, the Bible says Romans 1111, 292 00:15:43,890 --> 00:15:46,690 S7: salvation has come to the Gentiles to make the Jewish 293 00:15:46,690 --> 00:15:50,170 S7: people jealous. This is not the attitude that makes them jealous. 294 00:15:50,170 --> 00:15:54,210 S7: We have to be recognize that these are people like 295 00:15:54,250 --> 00:15:59,290 S7: Amir who are experiencing terrible pain and sorrow, and they've 296 00:15:59,290 --> 00:16:04,530 S7: lost people they love. And we need to be loving 297 00:16:04,530 --> 00:16:08,410 S7: them and winning them over, not dismissing them just because 298 00:16:08,410 --> 00:16:10,570 S7: they haven't yet trusted in the Messiah. 299 00:16:10,930 --> 00:16:13,290 S1: Amen. What a great answer, Michael. Thank you for that. 300 00:16:13,490 --> 00:16:17,610 S1: All right. (877) 548-3675. That's our number here on in the 301 00:16:17,610 --> 00:16:20,890 S1: market with Janet partial doctor Michael Redlick is your guest. 302 00:16:20,890 --> 00:16:23,370 S1: Your opportunity. It's all out there. It's one of the 303 00:16:23,370 --> 00:16:26,050 S1: big topics out in the marketplace of ideas right now. 304 00:16:26,330 --> 00:16:28,090 S1: And some people are getting paid a lot of money 305 00:16:28,090 --> 00:16:32,730 S1: with their podcasts by promulgating mythology, lies, and well, demonic 306 00:16:32,730 --> 00:16:34,730 S1: hatred is from my vantage point. I just call him 307 00:16:34,730 --> 00:16:37,130 S1: as I see him. And now it's your chance to say, wait, 308 00:16:37,130 --> 00:16:40,210 S1: is that true or is this true? And you get 309 00:16:40,210 --> 00:16:42,530 S1: a really good answer when you ask Doctor Michael Redlich 310 00:16:42,530 --> 00:16:44,370 S1: those kinds of questions. So, David, I'm going to turn 311 00:16:44,370 --> 00:16:46,490 S1: to you first in Illinois. Thanks for being here. And 312 00:16:46,490 --> 00:16:47,490 S1: your question, please. 313 00:16:48,690 --> 00:16:53,970 S8: Yes, doctor. Why do we interpret Genesis 12 three as 314 00:16:53,970 --> 00:16:58,050 S8: applying to all of Abraham's progeny and not just Abraham directly? 315 00:16:58,050 --> 00:17:00,210 S8: That's the verse that says, I will bless those who 316 00:17:00,210 --> 00:17:02,330 S8: bless you and curse those who curse you. 317 00:17:02,490 --> 00:17:04,530 S1: Mhm. May I put you back on hold because you're 318 00:17:04,530 --> 00:17:06,810 S1: hearing the music? It's an excellent question, and I don't 319 00:17:06,810 --> 00:17:08,410 S1: want Michael to be rushed. So let me put you 320 00:17:08,410 --> 00:17:10,850 S1: back on hold, and David will fold your question back 321 00:17:10,850 --> 00:17:13,209 S1: in on the other side of the break. In the meantime, 322 00:17:13,250 --> 00:17:16,090 S1: do not forget that I think right now, every person 323 00:17:16,090 --> 00:17:18,210 S1: who's listening, especially if you're calling in, you have these 324 00:17:18,210 --> 00:17:20,570 S1: kinds of questions you need to get a copy of 325 00:17:20,570 --> 00:17:23,689 S1: how should Christians think about Israel? It's right there on 326 00:17:23,690 --> 00:17:25,690 S1: my information page. You just go to in the market 327 00:17:25,690 --> 00:17:28,649 S1: with Janet dot o r g. Click on the box 328 00:17:28,650 --> 00:17:31,010 S1: that says program details and audio gets you where you 329 00:17:31,010 --> 00:17:34,210 S1: need to go. You'll get to Michael's website longer bio 330 00:17:34,210 --> 00:17:37,010 S1: for who he is and on the right side, this wonderful, 331 00:17:37,010 --> 00:17:40,010 S1: wonderful book, literally hot off the presses. Now in its 332 00:17:40,010 --> 00:17:42,650 S1: second printing. Get a copy or 2 or 10 back 333 00:17:42,650 --> 00:17:54,889 S1: after this. We're visiting with Doctor Michael Wright, professor emeritus 334 00:17:54,890 --> 00:17:57,450 S1: of Jewish Studies and Bible at Moody Bible Institute and 335 00:17:57,450 --> 00:18:00,689 S1: host of open line heard on stations all across the country. 336 00:18:00,730 --> 00:18:04,010 S1: David asked an excellent question, very often a starting point 337 00:18:04,010 --> 00:18:07,730 S1: in this entire conversation about modern day Israel. Genesis 12 338 00:18:07,770 --> 00:18:09,490 S1: three I will bless those who bless them, curse those 339 00:18:09,490 --> 00:18:12,010 S1: who curse them. And David's question was, how come that 340 00:18:12,010 --> 00:18:15,250 S1: doesn't just apply to Abraham, but why does it supposedly 341 00:18:15,250 --> 00:18:17,570 S1: include all of his descendants? Your response? Michael? 342 00:18:17,609 --> 00:18:19,609 S7: That's a very good question because that's, you know, it 343 00:18:19,609 --> 00:18:23,250 S7: looks like it's just talking to Abraham, except it says 344 00:18:23,250 --> 00:18:26,250 S7: there in verse three, uh, verses one through three, I 345 00:18:26,290 --> 00:18:28,410 S7: will make you a great nation. I will bless you 346 00:18:28,410 --> 00:18:31,010 S7: and make your name great. You will be a blessing. 347 00:18:31,930 --> 00:18:34,250 S7: That sounds like it's like Abraham. That will just be 348 00:18:34,250 --> 00:18:36,650 S7: a blessing. I will bless those who bless you. I 349 00:18:36,650 --> 00:18:39,290 S7: will curse those who treat you with contempt or those 350 00:18:39,290 --> 00:18:42,570 S7: who curse you. Then it says, in all peoples of 351 00:18:42,570 --> 00:18:45,409 S7: the earth will be blessed through you. Well, it's not 352 00:18:45,410 --> 00:18:47,970 S7: Abraham that's going to bless all the peoples on the earth. 353 00:18:47,970 --> 00:18:52,730 S7: It's going to be Abraham's descendants and his special offspring. 354 00:18:52,890 --> 00:18:55,930 S7: And then the reason we know this carries on is 355 00:18:55,930 --> 00:19:03,050 S7: you come to Genesis 2729 and God speaking to Jacob, uh, 356 00:19:03,050 --> 00:19:06,609 S7: he says, uh, I'll read the verses. Exactly. It's at 357 00:19:06,609 --> 00:19:12,609 S7: the end of Genesis 2729. Uh, it says, May those 358 00:19:12,609 --> 00:19:14,850 S7: who curse you, those who curse you will be cursed, 359 00:19:14,850 --> 00:19:17,090 S7: and those who bless you will be blessed. That's not 360 00:19:17,090 --> 00:19:20,290 S7: just Abraham. Now it's the very same Abrahamic promise. For 361 00:19:20,290 --> 00:19:24,290 S7: the nation is carried on to Isaac and to Jacob. Here, 362 00:19:24,290 --> 00:19:28,890 S7: that aspect again. Uh, of course, Genesis 2218 says in 363 00:19:28,890 --> 00:19:33,939 S7: your offspring. Speaking specifically about one particular offspring, all nations 364 00:19:33,940 --> 00:19:38,179 S7: of the earth will be blessed. That's the Messiah. Genesis 2218. 365 00:19:38,220 --> 00:19:41,740 S7: And remember, of course, the very famous story where Agag 366 00:19:41,740 --> 00:19:45,780 S7: wants to curse the nation. Do you remember that? Uh, 367 00:19:46,420 --> 00:19:49,300 S7: and so what? He did not. Agag. Uh, Balaam. He 368 00:19:49,300 --> 00:19:54,500 S7: gets Balaam. Uh, uh, Balak gets Balaam to curse Israel, 369 00:19:54,500 --> 00:19:57,340 S7: and he can't because he says, how can I curse 370 00:19:57,420 --> 00:20:02,180 S7: whom God has blessed? And in numbers 24 nine applied 371 00:20:02,220 --> 00:20:06,460 S7: apparently to the offspring of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. It says, 372 00:20:06,460 --> 00:20:09,180 S7: those who bless you will be blessed, and those who 373 00:20:09,180 --> 00:20:11,859 S7: curse you will be cursed. So it does appear in 374 00:20:11,859 --> 00:20:14,660 S7: Scripture that as we work our way through Scripture, the 375 00:20:14,700 --> 00:20:17,699 S7: Abrahamic promise, I will bless those who bless you and 376 00:20:17,700 --> 00:20:20,580 S7: curse those who curse you is passed on to Isaac, 377 00:20:20,900 --> 00:20:24,820 S7: to Jacob, and to all the offspring of Israel. 378 00:20:25,859 --> 00:20:28,740 S1: David, again, thank you very much for the question. Julia, 379 00:20:28,740 --> 00:20:30,660 S1: welcome you from Florida. Your question please. 380 00:20:31,940 --> 00:20:35,980 S9: Good afternoon. Um, I'm just calling to find out as 381 00:20:35,980 --> 00:20:40,260 S9: a Christian. It says in, um, Psalms 122, I think 382 00:20:40,260 --> 00:20:46,060 S9: verse six that we should pray for the peace of Jerusalem. 383 00:20:46,700 --> 00:20:49,780 S9: And based on what I've read in several, um, books, 384 00:20:49,780 --> 00:20:53,740 S9: it says there have been no peace until Jesus come. 385 00:20:53,980 --> 00:20:58,580 S9: But our thing is, as Christians, we should continually pray 386 00:20:58,580 --> 00:21:02,660 S9: for Jerusalem, our Israel, if that's what it is, which 387 00:21:02,660 --> 00:21:05,580 S9: is different. And I just also want to find out 388 00:21:05,580 --> 00:21:09,540 S9: because if we. Prayer is power and prayer as, as, 389 00:21:09,580 --> 00:21:12,900 S9: as human is our lifeline to Christ. Because God is 390 00:21:12,900 --> 00:21:15,300 S9: a spirit. And they say that those who worship him 391 00:21:15,300 --> 00:21:18,020 S9: must worship him in spirit and truth. So our thing 392 00:21:18,020 --> 00:21:20,540 S9: is the word and the Bible and, and, and, and 393 00:21:20,580 --> 00:21:23,820 S9: the word and the prayer. So from the word is 394 00:21:23,820 --> 00:21:26,460 S9: that what man says is what the word says we 395 00:21:26,540 --> 00:21:29,620 S9: should pray, and those who pray for them too will 396 00:21:29,619 --> 00:21:32,139 S9: be blessed. And also, I want to know if Jesus 397 00:21:32,140 --> 00:21:35,740 S9: was a Jew. I have a problem with, you know, 398 00:21:35,780 --> 00:21:39,300 S9: with that somehow. Um, can you answer that question, please? 399 00:21:40,140 --> 00:21:41,980 S1: I want to make sure I heard that correctly. Was 400 00:21:41,980 --> 00:21:44,500 S1: Jesus a Jew? Was the last part of the question, right, Julie? 401 00:21:44,540 --> 00:21:46,939 S10: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. 402 00:21:46,980 --> 00:21:47,780 S1: Okay, good. All right. 403 00:21:47,820 --> 00:21:50,859 S7: First of all, uh, praying for peace is, I think, 404 00:21:50,900 --> 00:21:53,420 S7: essential even now, even though I think that there won't 405 00:21:53,420 --> 00:21:57,180 S7: be a permanent forever peace until the Lord Jesus returns 406 00:21:57,180 --> 00:22:00,659 S7: as Prince of Peace and establishes it. We're always praying 407 00:22:00,820 --> 00:22:05,300 S7: for temporal peace. Uh, even for a short while. We 408 00:22:05,300 --> 00:22:07,940 S7: pray for a quiet, peaceful life that the gospel would 409 00:22:07,940 --> 00:22:12,139 S7: go forth. So, uh, I think it's okay to pray. 410 00:22:12,180 --> 00:22:16,100 S7: I pray for the peace of Jerusalem regularly. Uh, sometimes. 411 00:22:16,420 --> 00:22:19,939 S7: During the war with Hamas, I prayed for peace, not 412 00:22:19,940 --> 00:22:23,980 S7: for the cessation of hostilities, but the victory of the 413 00:22:23,980 --> 00:22:28,660 S7: IDF over the terrorist forces. That's what I prayed for. 414 00:22:28,660 --> 00:22:30,940 S7: And that peace would come that way, even if it's 415 00:22:30,940 --> 00:22:33,179 S7: just temporal peace. When I was in high school, I 416 00:22:33,220 --> 00:22:35,700 S7: had come to know the Lord as a freshman, I remember, 417 00:22:35,740 --> 00:22:38,100 S7: and I went to a progressive high school named for 418 00:22:38,100 --> 00:22:41,700 S7: John Dewey, if you can believe it. And we had 419 00:22:41,700 --> 00:22:45,220 S7: seven week courses instead of whole semesters. And my very 420 00:22:45,220 --> 00:22:49,620 S7: first history course in 10th grade was War and Peace 421 00:22:49,619 --> 00:22:55,580 S7: in the 20th century. And I remember my teacher, Mr. Steckler, saying, uh, 422 00:22:55,660 --> 00:23:00,500 S7: do you think there ever will be peace again in time? 423 00:23:00,700 --> 00:23:03,900 S7: And I remember raising my hand and saying, yes, there 424 00:23:03,900 --> 00:23:07,820 S7: will be peace, but only when Yeshua the Messiah returns. 425 00:23:07,859 --> 00:23:10,060 S7: That got everyone's attention, and I got. 426 00:23:11,220 --> 00:23:13,060 S1: And you got detention for ten weeks, right? 427 00:23:13,100 --> 00:23:17,060 S7: No, no, I got some interesting interactions. But, you know, 428 00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:19,220 S7: the class was mostly Jewish and it was kind of 429 00:23:19,220 --> 00:23:22,100 S7: an interesting thing, but I still think that's true. That's 430 00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:25,430 S7: when the permanent peace will come, but we can pay. 431 00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:28,510 S7: Pray for temporal peace and we're praying for the the 432 00:23:28,550 --> 00:23:31,430 S7: Son of David to return. That's what the Lord Jesus 433 00:23:31,470 --> 00:23:35,590 S7: is called. That's a Jewish king. That's the line of 434 00:23:35,630 --> 00:23:39,869 S7: the Israelite kings, right? The line of Judah, David the 435 00:23:39,869 --> 00:23:43,109 S7: son of David, that's Jesus. You know, this is something 436 00:23:43,109 --> 00:23:47,790 S7: I find so amazing that all the church councils that 437 00:23:47,790 --> 00:23:52,390 S7: had all these statements about the full humanity of our Lord, right? 438 00:23:52,430 --> 00:23:55,669 S7: They all emphasize his humanity, but they never, ever talked 439 00:23:55,670 --> 00:23:59,630 S7: about it being Jewish humanity. Second Timothy two eight Remember 440 00:23:59,630 --> 00:24:02,870 S7: Jesus the Messiah, risen from the dead, the Son of David. 441 00:24:03,070 --> 00:24:06,310 S7: And of course, Romans nine five that says that the 442 00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:11,389 S7: the Lord Jesus. Uh, Jewish Israelite according to the flesh. 443 00:24:11,390 --> 00:24:14,070 S7: So of course, the Lord Jesus is indeed Jewish. 444 00:24:15,790 --> 00:24:17,630 S1: So there you go. Julie, thank you so much for 445 00:24:17,630 --> 00:24:23,310 S1: being with us. (877) 548-3675. 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And that's 471 00:25:49,670 --> 00:25:53,590 S1: the moody Bible, moody commentary. And I've said it before, 472 00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:55,550 S1: we have one on each floor of our house. That's 473 00:25:55,550 --> 00:25:57,750 S1: how much we value it. But of late, he's written 474 00:25:57,750 --> 00:26:00,190 S1: the book, How Should Christians Think About Israel? A Quick 475 00:26:00,190 --> 00:26:05,390 S1: Guide to God's Covenants, biblical philosophy, a biblical prophecy, and 476 00:26:05,390 --> 00:26:07,590 S1: the Jewish people. And it's now in its second printing. 477 00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:12,470 S1: That's how good and effective this book has been. (877) 548-3675. 478 00:26:12,510 --> 00:26:15,070 S1: We are taking any questions. Questions only you have on 479 00:26:15,070 --> 00:26:19,760 S1: Israel modern present day Jewish state old Testament replacement theology, 480 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,200 S1: covenant theology. The list goes on and on and on. Jeff, 481 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,000 S1: you're in Illinois. Thanks for your patience and your question, please. 482 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:33,879 S11: Hi. Um, I just wondered why anyone would support, um, 483 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:40,120 S11: Netanyahu with all the carnage, death and destruction and chaos 484 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:45,920 S11: that he has caused. Um, not only in Gaza and 485 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:51,280 S11: the Palestinian people, but, uh, he's a war criminal. He's, 486 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,960 S11: there's never, ever, ever going to be peace in Jerusalem 487 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,199 S11: as long as he is at the helm. He's the 488 00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:59,680 S11: one that's causing. 489 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,160 S10: Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait. 490 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,200 S1: Before you go, Michael, I have to tell you, Jeff, 491 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,520 S1: I'm going to cut you off there because I think 492 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,439 S1: we get the drift in a court of law. The 493 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,320 S1: opposing counsel would have said. Objection, your honor, um, it's 494 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,760 S1: prejudicial in your questioning. All right. You've already told us 495 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,920 S1: your opinion shaped as a question, and I'm not going 496 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,159 S1: to engage you to ask you to give me another 497 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,399 S1: legal phrase, a preponderance of evidence to substantiate all the 498 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,320 S1: accusations that you just made. So, Michael, would you like 499 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:25,920 S1: to address this? By the way, for the record, Benjamin 500 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,000 S1: Netanyahu is the longest serving prime minister in the history 501 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,120 S1: of Israel being re-elected for a third historic time. No 502 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,000 S1: other prime minister has done that. Michael, your answer? 503 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,440 S7: I was going to ask, uh, I don't hear any 504 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:43,840 S7: culpability being presented for Hamas, who started the war, or Hezbollah, 505 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,840 S7: who on October 8th began to bomb. You know, people 506 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,960 S7: make it seem like this war happened in a vacuum, 507 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:56,359 S7: that unprovoked Israel went after Hamas and Hezbollah after ten 508 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,960 S7: seven and ten eight. But Israel didn't want this war, 509 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,080 S7: didn't seek this war. And the second thing I would 510 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:09,640 S7: say is that it is sad that a person would 511 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,400 S7: listen to enough propaganda. There's been no such thing that 512 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,760 S7: says that Benjamin Netanyahu is a war criminal. Listen, I 513 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,639 S7: don't think you have to agree with the Israeli government. Uh, 514 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,719 S7: that's not, uh, that's not an essential. Uh. I have 515 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,280 S7: a lot of relatives. I think I've said this on 516 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,120 S7: the program before that, uh, my cousins, they're definitely left 517 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,239 S7: of center. They don't like the Israeli government, uh, the 518 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,200 S7: current government led by Prime Minister Netanyahu. That's fine. But 519 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,040 S7: they love Israel. They love their country, and they don't 520 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,360 S7: think they don't demonize Netanyahu and think that he's a 521 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,200 S7: war criminal. They may disagree with his politics, but they 522 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,680 S7: don't think he's a war criminal. There was no choice. 523 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,520 S7: Israel had after being attacked on ten seven and on 524 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,000 S7: ten eight, as Tony Blair says, what would, uh, Great 525 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,520 S7: Britain's the United Kingdom's response have been had 1200 people 526 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:09,280 S7: been murdered and 251 taken hostage by a terrorist group. 527 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,960 S7: What would the what would the UK have done? They 528 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,520 S7: would have gone to war and not been as careful 529 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,480 S7: as Israel. Now this is I do want to say 530 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,120 S7: one other thing. Israel did their best under Netanyahu. The 531 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,640 S7: IDF did their best to prevent civilian casualties. There's no 532 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,000 S7: other army that has done a better job of it 533 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,040 S7: than Israel did. The United States had a 7 to 534 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,520 S7: 1 ratio of six and 7 to 1 ratio of 535 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:39,080 S7: civilians killed to combatants. When we fought in Fallujah and 536 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,150 S7: places like that. However, Israel has about a 1 to 537 00:29:43,150 --> 00:29:46,090 S7: 1 ratio. And the reason for even that 1 to 538 00:29:46,090 --> 00:29:49,800 S7: 1 is because of Hamas and Hezbollah wanting to keep 539 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:55,040 S7: civilians in harm's way. Israel gives drops, leaflets, they give maps, 540 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,400 S7: they send text messages, they make phone calls, they provide 541 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,960 S7: safe areas, they provide food. They do everything that they 542 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,120 S7: can to prevent civilian loss. And so it's unfortunate that 543 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,240 S7: the caller listens to propaganda. 544 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,360 S1: I was just going to say, Jeff, I want to 545 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,410 S1: challenge you respectfully, to consider your sources and to make 546 00:30:13,450 --> 00:30:15,890 S1: sure that you have a balanced approach. In listening what 547 00:30:15,890 --> 00:30:17,690 S1: people are doing, I want to echo what Michael said. And, 548 00:30:17,850 --> 00:30:20,050 S1: you know, Mark Twain said it beautifully. The best classroom 549 00:30:20,050 --> 00:30:22,770 S1: is travel. And it's amazing how your perspective on the 550 00:30:22,770 --> 00:30:25,010 S1: nation of Israel changes when you've been there. Michael's been 551 00:30:25,010 --> 00:30:27,530 S1: there countless times, as have I. And when you begin 552 00:30:27,530 --> 00:30:30,090 S1: to see the reality versus what the BBC or the 553 00:30:30,090 --> 00:30:32,970 S1: New York Times is saying, it puts into absolute clear 554 00:30:33,010 --> 00:30:37,330 S1: perspective what life is like for people in Israel. Um, 555 00:30:37,330 --> 00:30:40,170 S1: the idea that you would drop leaflets before you're going 556 00:30:40,170 --> 00:30:43,690 S1: to go in with precision strike militarily is not there's 557 00:30:43,690 --> 00:30:46,650 S1: no parity with Hezbollah or Hamas. These groups do not 558 00:30:46,650 --> 00:30:50,090 S1: do that. The Israelis, as an example, do not ever 559 00:30:50,090 --> 00:30:53,490 S1: use their citizens as human shields. Hamas does this all 560 00:30:53,490 --> 00:30:57,210 S1: the time, purposely pushing women and children into hospitals, knowing 561 00:30:57,250 --> 00:30:59,690 S1: that it's going to be a place of vulnerability. The 562 00:30:59,690 --> 00:31:02,970 S1: terrorists don't. Terrorists are. C.S. Lewis said it beautifully. These 563 00:31:02,970 --> 00:31:06,970 S1: are men without chests. They have no conscience whatsoever. That's 564 00:31:06,970 --> 00:31:10,530 S1: what a terrorist does. They're spiritually blinded. They live in darkness, 565 00:31:10,530 --> 00:31:13,650 S1: and so they have no problem strapping, for example, munitions 566 00:31:13,650 --> 00:31:16,170 S1: to a 12 year old child and pushing him forward 567 00:31:16,170 --> 00:31:18,810 S1: because it's going to, quote, advance your cause. There's no 568 00:31:18,810 --> 00:31:22,130 S1: parity in Israel with the Jewish state compared to the 569 00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:24,490 S1: other terrorist organizations that are out there. Number two, there's 570 00:31:24,490 --> 00:31:27,570 S1: the doctrine of a just war. When you've been, uh, 571 00:31:27,890 --> 00:31:30,650 S1: you didn't provoke a thing. You're at a music festival 572 00:31:30,650 --> 00:31:35,010 S1: in 1200 plus, people die in barbaric, horrific ways. 573 00:31:35,130 --> 00:31:37,570 S7: Put in ovens in your in your kibbutz. Right? 574 00:31:37,610 --> 00:31:41,370 S1: Exactly. Babies put in ovens, babies strangled to death. I mean, 575 00:31:41,410 --> 00:31:45,050 S1: these are you talk about crimes against humanity. These are absolute. 576 00:31:45,050 --> 00:31:47,050 S1: Even if you look at the Geneva War Convention, okay, 577 00:31:47,090 --> 00:31:49,810 S1: these are violative of all the principles that have been 578 00:31:49,810 --> 00:31:52,770 S1: out there since post-World War Two. None of that Israel 579 00:31:52,770 --> 00:31:56,050 S1: engages in. That's what the terrorist organizations do. So that 580 00:31:56,050 --> 00:31:58,290 S1: goes to a bigger question. And, Nancy, I think your 581 00:31:58,290 --> 00:32:01,250 S1: question now fits in perfectly to what we were just asked. 582 00:32:01,250 --> 00:32:02,610 S1: So ask your question, please. 583 00:32:04,210 --> 00:32:09,810 S12: I always wondered why people hate the Jewish People? 584 00:32:12,290 --> 00:32:13,370 S7: Yeah. Me too. 585 00:32:17,410 --> 00:32:19,130 S10: Says a Jewish person. Absolutely. 586 00:32:19,450 --> 00:32:23,290 S7: Well, as I read scripture, uh, Psalm 83 gives us 587 00:32:23,290 --> 00:32:26,130 S7: one reason. Those who hate the God of Israel will 588 00:32:26,130 --> 00:32:30,010 S7: hate the people of Israel because they believe that, uh, 589 00:32:30,010 --> 00:32:32,050 S7: the way to get at the God of Israel, to 590 00:32:32,090 --> 00:32:34,770 S7: hurt him is to hurt his people. Here's what Psalm 591 00:32:34,770 --> 00:32:39,250 S7: 83 says in verse two. It talks to God, capital 592 00:32:39,250 --> 00:32:43,210 S7: Y and your. See how your enemies make an uproar. 593 00:32:43,450 --> 00:32:47,930 S7: Those who hate you have acted arrogantly. They devise clever 594 00:32:47,930 --> 00:32:54,610 S7: schemes against your people. They conspire against your treasured ones. Come, 595 00:32:54,650 --> 00:32:57,810 S7: they say, let us wipe them out as a nation, 596 00:32:57,810 --> 00:33:01,330 S7: so that Israel's name will no longer be remembered. For 597 00:33:01,370 --> 00:33:04,330 S7: they have conspired with one mind. And I love this 598 00:33:04,330 --> 00:33:07,410 S7: last line because it's a great reminder. They form an 599 00:33:07,540 --> 00:33:12,500 S7: alliance against you. Their hatred of the God of Israel 600 00:33:12,540 --> 00:33:15,060 S7: makes them hate the people of Israel. I think that's 601 00:33:15,060 --> 00:33:20,780 S7: one explanation. A second comes from revelation 12, and that's 602 00:33:20,780 --> 00:33:24,860 S7: the passage where it's symbolic. So people get nervous about 603 00:33:24,860 --> 00:33:27,180 S7: the book of revelation, but it's pretty clear that the 604 00:33:27,180 --> 00:33:31,740 S7: woman at the start of revelation 12 is symbolic of Israel, 605 00:33:31,780 --> 00:33:36,100 S7: because she has the sun and the moon and the stars, 606 00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:39,540 S7: just like in Joseph's dream. She has the sun and 607 00:33:39,540 --> 00:33:42,220 S7: moon under her feet and a crown of 12 stars 608 00:33:42,220 --> 00:33:47,140 S7: on her head. And then the dragon, Satan the devil 609 00:33:47,380 --> 00:33:51,420 S7: attacks her and tries to destroy her. So what is 610 00:33:51,420 --> 00:33:55,340 S7: that telling me? Satan hates whom God loves. That's what 611 00:33:55,340 --> 00:33:58,460 S7: he wants to do. Uh, he wants to. He hates 612 00:33:58,460 --> 00:34:03,900 S7: the Jewish people because, uh, he hates God, and therefore he. 613 00:34:04,180 --> 00:34:07,620 S7: He hates whom God loves. And that's what he's doing. He. 614 00:34:07,660 --> 00:34:10,419 S7: He promotes people to hate this. People whom God has 615 00:34:10,420 --> 00:34:13,460 S7: chosen has a special concern and plan for. God loves 616 00:34:13,460 --> 00:34:16,259 S7: all people. Don't forget that. For God so loved the world, 617 00:34:16,260 --> 00:34:18,860 S7: but he chose Israel. And he has a special plan 618 00:34:18,860 --> 00:34:22,660 S7: for the Jewish people. And one of the things that 619 00:34:22,660 --> 00:34:24,379 S7: I think he also wants to do, it's not just 620 00:34:24,380 --> 00:34:27,060 S7: that he hates whom God loves, but he wants to 621 00:34:27,100 --> 00:34:30,739 S7: obstruct God's plan. And the Jewish people played a very 622 00:34:30,739 --> 00:34:33,100 S7: important role in the first coming of the Messiah. This 623 00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:36,820 S7: passage even talks about the Messiah coming from the woman. Uh, 624 00:34:36,820 --> 00:34:39,660 S7: the Messiah would would descend from Israel if Satan could 625 00:34:39,700 --> 00:34:44,340 S7: have destroyed Israel during the time of Haman, for example, uh, 626 00:34:44,420 --> 00:34:47,339 S7: then the Messiah couldn't come. So that explains that, that 627 00:34:47,340 --> 00:34:52,140 S7: genocidal hate. And secondly, the return of the Lord Jesus 628 00:34:52,780 --> 00:34:56,860 S7: has to do with Israel. It says in Matthew 2337 629 00:34:56,900 --> 00:35:00,180 S7: through 39, O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, how I would have gathered 630 00:35:00,180 --> 00:35:02,180 S7: you as a mother hen gathers her chicks, but you 631 00:35:02,180 --> 00:35:05,700 S7: were unwilling. Do you remember that passage? And then it says, 632 00:35:05,940 --> 00:35:08,940 S7: now your house has left you desolate. That means the 633 00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:11,420 S7: temple is going to be destroyed. There's going to be 634 00:35:11,460 --> 00:35:15,180 S7: discipline for this rejection. And then it says, and you 635 00:35:15,180 --> 00:35:19,980 S7: will not see me again until there's that key word, 636 00:35:19,980 --> 00:35:23,700 S7: until you say, blessed is he who comes in the 637 00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:27,300 S7: name of the Lord. That's the Hebrew expression of welcome. 638 00:35:27,300 --> 00:35:29,259 S7: So the key to the return of the Lord at 639 00:35:29,260 --> 00:35:31,900 S7: the end of the tribulation is when the nations gather 640 00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:35,180 S7: against Jerusalem, when all that happens and Israel cries out 641 00:35:35,180 --> 00:35:37,940 S7: to Jesus the Messiah, they look upon the pierced one. 642 00:35:37,940 --> 00:35:41,460 S7: They believe in him. They mourn in repentance, and then 643 00:35:41,460 --> 00:35:44,939 S7: they welcome him back. And when they welcome him back, 644 00:35:44,940 --> 00:35:48,219 S7: he will return. If Satan could destroy the Jewish people, 645 00:35:48,420 --> 00:35:51,219 S7: he can obstruct the return of the Lord Jesus. And 646 00:35:51,219 --> 00:35:54,500 S7: so what he is doing is he hates whom God loves, 647 00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:57,339 S7: but also wants to obstruct God's plan. And I think 648 00:35:57,340 --> 00:35:59,860 S7: that explains a lot of the hatred of the Jewish people. 649 00:36:00,340 --> 00:36:03,819 S1: Nancy's an outstanding question, and it really and truly is 650 00:36:03,820 --> 00:36:07,620 S1: why these kinds of conversations with Doctor Randall are so important. 651 00:36:07,780 --> 00:36:10,940 S1: You can go through any dial on your TV, your phone, 652 00:36:10,940 --> 00:36:14,980 S1: whatever platform you're viewing information on, and you're going to 653 00:36:14,980 --> 00:36:19,379 S1: see a just a cacophony of opinions out there. But 654 00:36:19,380 --> 00:36:22,939 S1: if you do not view this issue in particular through 655 00:36:22,940 --> 00:36:25,540 S1: the lens of Scripture, you don't get, in the words 656 00:36:25,540 --> 00:36:28,420 S1: of that Radio Hall of Famer Paul Harvey, the rest 657 00:36:28,420 --> 00:36:32,580 S1: of the story at its core. This isn't about Territorialism. 658 00:36:32,739 --> 00:36:35,739 S1: This is it may have all of these elements terrorism, 659 00:36:35,780 --> 00:36:39,540 S1: territorialism all of that. But at its core, this is 660 00:36:39,540 --> 00:36:43,339 S1: a spiritual issue. If you don't get that, you don't 661 00:36:43,340 --> 00:36:45,219 S1: get the rest of it. That's why I want you 662 00:36:45,219 --> 00:36:47,420 S1: to get the book. How should Christians think about Israel? 663 00:36:47,460 --> 00:36:57,540 S1: Back after this? Eight seven. Seven. Five. 483675. That's our 664 00:36:57,540 --> 00:37:00,380 S1: number here in the market with Janet Partial. We're visiting 665 00:37:00,380 --> 00:37:04,069 S1: with Doctor Michael Rudnick, professor emeritus of Jewish studies and 666 00:37:04,070 --> 00:37:07,190 S1: Bible at Moody Bible Institute, also host of Open Line 667 00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:10,390 S1: with Doctor Michael Rudnick. Johnny, you've been so patient in 668 00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:12,750 S1: Tennessee and I greatly appreciate it. Your question please. 669 00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:17,310 S13: Hello. I am so happy to speak with both of you. 670 00:37:17,350 --> 00:37:19,549 S13: I love you to pieces. I wish I lived around 671 00:37:19,550 --> 00:37:21,950 S13: the corner so we could have dinner, but anyway, um. 672 00:37:24,469 --> 00:37:26,230 S1: And it doesn't have to be kosher. Let me point 673 00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:27,830 S1: that out to you. It doesn't have to be kosher. 674 00:37:27,989 --> 00:37:30,270 S7: But I'm ready. I don't know where you live, but 675 00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:32,030 S7: good food. I'm there. Come on. 676 00:37:32,469 --> 00:37:38,230 S13: Okay. Um, so when I was in a different state, um, 677 00:37:38,230 --> 00:37:42,390 S13: in actually Missouri, I was searching for a church high 678 00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:46,710 S13: and low that was, um, not only not afraid to 679 00:37:46,750 --> 00:37:50,750 S13: speak up politically about what has been happening to us 680 00:37:50,750 --> 00:37:55,350 S13: as Christians, but also, um, especially after, you know, the 681 00:37:55,350 --> 00:38:01,150 S13: attack on Israel. Um, you know, I was sadly missing 682 00:38:01,310 --> 00:38:04,910 S13: anything from the pulpit around it. And I was actually 683 00:38:04,910 --> 00:38:07,750 S13: part of a Bible study on Wednesdays with some lovely 684 00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:12,230 S13: women who were Messianic Jews. So I really learned so 685 00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:17,110 S13: much more and it just solidified my, um, my love 686 00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:20,910 S13: for Jewish people and for all things Israel. You know, 687 00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:23,390 S13: I've not had the chance to go there yet. Someday, 688 00:38:23,390 --> 00:38:25,830 S13: hopefully I will. But now that I live in Tennessee, 689 00:38:25,830 --> 00:38:28,270 S13: the same thing is happening. I'm going to, I don't know, 690 00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:30,670 S13: a dozen churches, at least since I've moved here a 691 00:38:30,670 --> 00:38:33,750 S13: year ago. And still it's you know, it's just hard 692 00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:35,469 S13: to find that. And I know. 693 00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:36,830 S7: We're we're in Tennessee. 694 00:38:36,830 --> 00:38:39,230 S13: Are you in the Nashville area? 695 00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:42,870 S7: Nashville. Okay. Well, I'll tell you what. Uh, I know 696 00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:46,469 S7: some people there that, uh, that could direct you to 697 00:38:46,510 --> 00:38:49,430 S7: a really good church that has a heart for Israel. 698 00:38:49,710 --> 00:38:54,229 S7: And so, uh, and the Jewish people. So, uh, what 699 00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:58,110 S7: you could do is leave your, uh, information, an email 700 00:38:58,110 --> 00:39:01,230 S7: or something that I could pass on to someone that 701 00:39:01,230 --> 00:39:07,989 S7: will help you, if that's okay. Uh, the, uh. If 702 00:39:08,030 --> 00:39:12,310 S7: you leave that with with the producer of the program, uh, Steven, he'll, 703 00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:15,670 S7: he'll take that. And, uh, if that's okay with you 704 00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:18,710 S7: and I will pass that information on to someone that 705 00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:20,950 S7: could help you. Uh, because there's a lot of people 706 00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:23,910 S7: in the Nashville area that love Israel and love the 707 00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:24,790 S7: Jewish people. 708 00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:28,589 S13: So love that. I guess the other question, though, is 709 00:39:28,590 --> 00:39:31,350 S13: that how, how can we just in general and, you know, 710 00:39:31,390 --> 00:39:35,150 S13: it seems like, you know, I want pastors to, to 711 00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:37,750 S13: wake up and I don't know how to, you know, 712 00:39:37,790 --> 00:39:40,830 S13: I've maybe asked questions of pastors, but it kind of 713 00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:41,590 S13: goes flat. 714 00:39:41,590 --> 00:39:43,710 S7: So, so I went to visit a church when we 715 00:39:43,710 --> 00:39:46,070 S7: moved here and it was a church that loves Israel. 716 00:39:46,070 --> 00:39:48,790 S7: I was told, uh, when we moved to the Grand 717 00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:51,830 S7: Rapids area, the very first time we went, the pastor 718 00:39:51,830 --> 00:39:53,710 S7: was preaching of all things, going through the book of 719 00:39:53,710 --> 00:39:57,799 S7: Genesis on Genesis 12 one through six, the Abrahamic Covenant, 720 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:03,600 S7: and he never mentioned Israel or the Jewish people. And 721 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,279 S7: he talked about the war in Ukraine. And this was 722 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,920 S7: about two months after the war with Hamas had begun. 723 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:15,920 S7: I don't know how that's possible personally. You know, uh, I, 724 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,680 S7: I think it's people don't want to touch it pastors 725 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,719 S7: because it's a, it's political. They don't want to get 726 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,799 S7: into the hotbed of politics or disagreements. Uh, one of 727 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,200 S7: the things that, that I'm trying to encourage people to 728 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,279 S7: do is talk to your pastor. If you're in a 729 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,120 S7: church that doesn't seem to raise this, talk to your 730 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,959 S7: pastor and remind them of our calling. I mean, at 731 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,359 S7: a church, many churches will take the month of Ramadan 732 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,960 S7: and pray for Muslims to come to know the Lord. 733 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,919 S7: I think that's great. Mhm. Um, but I also think 734 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,320 S7: it might be good now that the season is Passover, 735 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,560 S7: to pray for our Jewish friends and our our neighbors 736 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,920 S7: and pray for them to come to know Messiah, the 737 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,520 S7: Lamb of God. And so, uh, and pray for Israel 738 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,920 S7: at this time. And so it's a great thing to 739 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,840 S7: go and see some of the leaders of your church 740 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,400 S7: and see if you can challenge them, uh, to pray 741 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,719 S7: for the peace of Jerusalem, pray for the people of 742 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,240 S7: Israel at this time. 743 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,879 S1: Joni, don't go away. My team is going to get 744 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,279 S1: your email address. We'll pass that on to Michael and 745 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,600 S1: he'll give you the information that you're looking for. And 746 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,920 S1: I thank you for your heart and for your question 747 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:30,520 S1: as well. 87754836758775483675. Audrey in Minnesota thanks for being here. 748 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:31,600 S1: Your question please. 749 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:37,080 S12: Yes. I would like to have this definition clarified. A Jew, 750 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,000 S12: a Hebrew and an Israelite. I mean, are they all 751 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,400 S12: the same or different? If he could clarify. 752 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,840 S7: It, I'd love to do that. You know, someone suggested 753 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,600 S7: it was Tricia McMillan, the producer of Open Line, who said, 754 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,920 S7: I should put that in that book. How should Christians 755 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,320 S7: think about Israel? I said, everyone knows the answer to this. 756 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,840 S7: She said, I have a bachelor's and a master's for Moody, 757 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,160 S7: and I don't. So. So that's at the beginning of 758 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,839 S7: that book. If you're if anyone's listening, there's a lot 759 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,560 S7: more to it. But here's what a Hebrew is an 760 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:09,040 S7: ancient term that was used of Abraham. And it's used through, uh, 761 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,359 S7: the time of David of the people of Israel. That's what, uh, 762 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,000 S7: Hebrew is. It comes to mean the language spoken by 763 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,560 S7: this people. That's another way it's used. But, uh, that's 764 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,520 S7: basically the term that was used for the Jewish people 765 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:29,600 S7: from Abraham up until the end of, well, the time 766 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,480 S7: of David. Then, uh, the term Jew comes from the 767 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:38,560 S7: descendants of Judah, but it encompasses far more than the 768 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,920 S7: tribe of Judah, because there was the southern kingdom of Judah. 769 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,040 S7: And then many people from the north came and lived 770 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,840 S7: in the southern kingdom. When the southern kingdom of Judah 771 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,920 S7: went into captivity in Babylon, they merged with people who 772 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,400 S7: were already there that were taken there during the Assyrian captivity. 773 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,320 S7: And so it came to mean the same thing as 774 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,320 S7: Hebrew did as the Jewish people. Uh, the people of Israel. 775 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,200 S7: And that's, of course, there is Israel. The patriarch Jacob 776 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,440 S7: had his name changed to Israel. He had 12 sons. 777 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,400 S7: They made the 12 tribes of Israel. And then, of course, 778 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,960 S7: the people that came from the 12 tribes were the 779 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,279 S7: people of Israel, AM Yisrael, the people of Israel, the 780 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,799 S7: Jewish people. So when you talk about the Jewish people, 781 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,600 S7: when you talk about the people of Israel, when you 782 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,399 S7: talk about the Hebrew people, you're talking about one and 783 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:24,520 S7: the same people. 784 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,560 S1: Okay, exactly. And can I just I've got 30s Michael. 785 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,040 S1: But as a follow up, Audrey, then one of the 786 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,000 S1: conversations we're hearing today is, oh, well, the people who 787 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,400 S1: live in Israel aren't part of the descendants of the 788 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,040 S1: original 12 tribes. So give me a capstone on that one. Michael. 789 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,799 S7: Yeah. Very quickly, they, they are the genetic studies, linguistic studies, 790 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,280 S7: all sorts of studies show that Sephardic Jews, Ashkenazi Jews, 791 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,290 S7: Mizrahi Jews, all are the descendants of the people of Israel. 792 00:43:51,650 --> 00:43:54,650 S1: Yeah. There you go. So, Michael, that went far too quickly. 793 00:43:54,650 --> 00:43:56,810 S1: Can I encourage you, brother? Every single line has been lit. 794 00:43:56,850 --> 00:43:59,529 S1: This entire conversation. We'd say goodbye to a friend and 795 00:43:59,530 --> 00:44:02,370 S1: another would call in. So I'm so thankful that there is, 796 00:44:02,690 --> 00:44:04,450 S1: if I can put it this way, that your voice 797 00:44:04,450 --> 00:44:06,650 S1: is a metric, you can measure some of the crooked 798 00:44:06,650 --> 00:44:09,290 S1: ideas out there against what the Word of God has 799 00:44:09,290 --> 00:44:12,490 S1: to say. And again, this wonderful book that you dashed 800 00:44:12,489 --> 00:44:14,690 S1: out there because so many of these questions were percolating 801 00:44:14,690 --> 00:44:17,370 S1: up in the marketplace of ideas, is so good. It's 802 00:44:17,370 --> 00:44:19,650 S1: now in its second printing. It's called How Should Christians 803 00:44:19,650 --> 00:44:22,890 S1: Think About Israel? It's published by Moody Press. It's right 804 00:44:22,890 --> 00:44:24,969 S1: there on my information page. So just go to In 805 00:44:25,010 --> 00:44:28,610 S1: the market with Janet Parshall. Click on the red box 806 00:44:28,610 --> 00:44:31,290 S1: that says Program Details and audio. There's the book and 807 00:44:31,290 --> 00:44:33,530 S1: I'm going to be very bold. Get one for yourself. 808 00:44:33,530 --> 00:44:35,770 S1: Dog eared it, underline it. Get to know the facts. 809 00:44:35,770 --> 00:44:37,890 S1: Your Bible in one hand, this book in the other, 810 00:44:37,890 --> 00:44:41,009 S1: but get ten other copies because that will represent the 811 00:44:41,010 --> 00:44:43,330 S1: other people in your sphere of influence who have these 812 00:44:43,330 --> 00:44:45,170 S1: same kinds of questions. Michael, I can't wait to do 813 00:44:45,170 --> 00:44:47,210 S1: this all over again. Thank you friends. We'll see you 814 00:44:47,210 --> 00:44:49,489 S1: next time on In the Market with Janet Parshall.