WEBVTT - Why Biblical Covenants Are Still a Big Deal

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<v S1>Throughout scripture we encounter lots of different covenants. These are

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<v S1>promises and agreements that God has made. Why are they

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<v S1>so central to understanding Scripture and the heart of God himself?

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<v S1>And why don't we talk more about them? Coming up,

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<v S1>we'll discover why biblical covenants are still a big deal.

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<v S1>And of course, we'll cover all the major news stories

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<v S1>in the Middle East and answer your Bible questions. And

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<v S1>enjoy Charlie Dyer's devotional. That and more on the land

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<v S1>and the book. Hey, welcome. I'm John Gager, and speaking

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<v S1>of Charlie Dyer. Charlie, how's your day been going so far?

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<v S2>John, it's going great. Of course, every day seems to

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<v S2>be going great when we know the Lord's in charge

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<v S2>and we're following him.

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<v S1>Amen. Well, here's a question. As we kick things off today,

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<v S1>what does Passover mean for us as believers in Jesus?

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<v S1>Some might remember the story from the book of Exodus,

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<v S1>but there's so much more to it. Did you know

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<v S1>that the Last Supper was actually a Passover meal? Not

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<v S1>only did Jesus and his disciples celebrate Passover, it also

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<v S1>foreshadowed his death on the cross for our redemption.

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<v S2>The Jewish people have been keeping the feast of Passover

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<v S2>for thousands of years. Understanding the history and importance of

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<v S2>this holiday will help you better connect with your Jewish

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<v S2>friends and neighbors. And what better way is there to

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<v S2>learn about Passover than to experience a Passover Seder yourself?

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<v S1>And now let's swing our focus toward current events in

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<v S1>the Middle East. As the hostage deal between Hamas and

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<v S1>Israel continues to continues to unfold. It raises two crucial issues. First,

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<v S1>why is Israel willing to release so many terrorists guilty

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<v S1>of murder to gain the freedom of the remaining hostages?

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<v S1>It just seems so imbalanced. And won't those being released

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<v S1>by Israel just go back to being terrorists like Yahya

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<v S1>Sinwar himself did?

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<v S2>Yeah, some might not realize that Sinwar was serving a

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<v S2>life sentence for terrorism when he was released in 2011,

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<v S2>in a major prisoner swap that saw Israel give up

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<v S2>over a thousand prisoners in exchange for a single Israeli soldier.

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<v S2>Sinwar became the head of Hamas and planned the October

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<v S2>7th invasion that resulted in the death of 1200 Israeli civilians.

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<v S2>So the reality is that releasing terrorists will almost certainly

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<v S2>result in those terrorists participating in future attacks. But the

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<v S2>logic behind this for Israel begins with an expression from

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<v S2>the Talmud whoever saves a single life is considered by

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<v S2>Scripture to have saved the whole world. And that's true

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<v S2>because we're created in God's image. Now, that lesson was

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<v S2>reinforced during the Holocaust, when so many lives were taken

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<v S2>by the Nazis. Most Israelis view the life of every

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<v S2>single hostage held by Hamas, significant and worth the price

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<v S2>being paid. John, I think we sense this. When we

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<v S2>interviewed Ayelet Levy Sarkar back in March. A medical doctor

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<v S2>with other children, she was torn between taking care of

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<v S2>her family and helping those who depend on her medical skill,

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<v S2>while never giving up on her daughter, who had been

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<v S2>captured by Hamas. And when Naama was released last weekend,

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<v S2>I found it difficult to hold back tears as I

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<v S2>watched Ayellet embrace her daughter and weep with joy and thanksgiving.

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<v S2>Israel really is more like an extended family than a country,

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<v S2>you know in the US. People can empathize with news

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<v S2>reports on the kidnapping or death of someone caught in

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<v S2>a tragic situation, but those feelings are tempered by the

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<v S2>reality that we usually don't have a personal connection to

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<v S2>that person or family. But virtually everyone in Israel has

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<v S2>a personal connection to the events of October 7th. It

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<v S2>bonded them to the hostages as if they were part

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<v S2>of their own family. And that's why Israel's willing to

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<v S2>release so many terrorists in exchange for the hostages, even

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<v S2>knowing that most will likely return to terrorism. Now, Israel

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<v S2>isn't being totally naive here. When Hamas changed the terms

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<v S2>of the deal by not releasing specific hostages, Israel refused

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<v S2>to allow the return of citizens to northern Gaza until

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<v S2>Hamas complied with the agreement, with two additional phases of

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<v S2>the cease fire agreement still remaining to be ironed out.

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<v S2>The entire process remains fragile. So more conflict could be

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<v S2>just over the horizon.

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<v S1>And if I read correctly, Hamas has released a list

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<v S1>of the names, and there are not all that many

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<v S1>who are still alive. I found that discouraging.

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<v S2>That's sad. And when the remainder of these 33 come,

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<v S2>it's going to be amazing how many are not alive.

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<v S2>And sadly, that looks like it could include those two

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<v S2>young children who were abducted.

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<v S1>Well, the second crucial issue that needs to be addressed

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<v S1>is what happens next in Gaza. Once the hostages are released,

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<v S1>watching all the celebration taking place there, it almost seems

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<v S1>like Hamas is claiming to have won the war there cheering.

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<v S1>You see them on television. I mean, what's going on?

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<v S2>Yeah. You know, as they parade those hostages in front

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<v S2>of crowds prior to their being released, they really are

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<v S2>trying to give the impression that they had won the war.

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<v S2>But impressions can be deceiving. You know, on October 7th,

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<v S2>6000 terrorists took part in the invasion and massacre. They

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<v S2>breached Israel's border at 114 different places. They used boats, drones, missiles, paragliders,

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<v S2>trucks and motorcycles. They killed 1200 Israelis and took an

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<v S2>additional almost 250 back into Gaza as hostages. Now that's

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<v S2>the version of a glorious surprise attack, an invasion that

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<v S2>Hamas is trying to present. But the reality is less impressive.

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<v S2>In the first two days, Israel killed 1400 militants and

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<v S2>captured 200 others. Once Israel regained its footing, it pressed

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<v S2>the attack against Hamas. The final numbers aren't known, but

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<v S2>Israel believes it killed upwards of 17,000 Hamas militants in Gaza.

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<v S2>They also eliminated much of Hamas's key infrastructure and leadership,

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<v S2>both in Gaza and in Iran. They destroyed large portions

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<v S2>of the tunnel system in Gaza, eliminated rocket launching sites,

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<v S2>military hardware command centers, manufacturing sites where those rockets were prepared.

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<v S2>The thousands of refugees streaming back to northern Gaza are

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<v S2>now discovering a moonscape of blown up buildings and piles

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<v S2>of rubble where houses, apartments and shops once stood. Hamas

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<v S2>fighters used them as cover when they were fighting Israel,

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<v S2>and they were destroyed during the war. The only victory

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<v S2>Hamas can claim is the surprise attack on October 7th,

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<v S2>and the reality that outside pressure from the west, along

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<v S2>with the hostages they held, kept Israel from attacking with

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<v S2>greater ferocity. That's a Pyrrhic victory at best. The real

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<v S2>losers in this battle were the people of Gaza and

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<v S2>the Israeli communities along the border. Israel is already preparing

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<v S2>to rebuild its communities, but it will take years for

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<v S2>Gaza to clear away the rubble and begin to do

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<v S2>the same. And sadly, unless Hamas is removed from leadership,

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<v S2>the prospects for Gaza's future will remain dim. I'm sure

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<v S2>this is all going to be part of the discussion

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<v S2>later this week between President Trump and Prime Minister Netanyahu,

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<v S2>when he visits.

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<v S1>Charlie without asking you to be too specific. Do you

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<v S1>think it's likely that Hamas will assume a less larger

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<v S1>role in the running of things in Gaza, or do

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<v S1>you think it's going to be business as usual for

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<v S1>the foreseeable future?

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<v S2>My optimism would say, I hope that they're going to

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<v S2>have less of a role or no role. Certainly, that's

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<v S2>Israel's bottom line. The sad part is it depends on

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<v S2>what other nations around are willing to do, including Europe

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<v S2>and the United States. And right now, we don't know.

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<v S2>I think many would be willing to let Hamas stay

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<v S2>in power.

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<v S1>You're listening to The Land in the book from Moody

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<v S1>Radio with our host, Doctor Charlie Dyer, a noted Middle

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<v S1>East Scholar. The images of the California wildfires that devastated

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<v S1>parts of Los Angeles shocked us all, while an Israeli

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<v S1>start up company hopes to make scenes like that a

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<v S1>thing of the past. How? Well, by deploying an iron

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<v S1>dome for wildfires. How does this new fire dome system work,

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<v S1>and when would it become operational?

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<v S2>Yeah, in the current battle against wildfires, boots on the

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<v S2>ground and support from the air are the main lines

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<v S2>of defense. But using a military analogy, what's missing is

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<v S2>artillery support. And that's what Tel Aviv based fire Dome

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<v S2>seeks to add to the firefighters arsenal. The company's technology

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<v S2>resembles the Iron Dome missile defense system, which identifies, tracks

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<v S2>and destroys incoming rockets using artificial intelligence. Fire dome includes

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<v S2>a tracking system comprised of cameras, coupled with a computer

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<v S2>that keeps watch for embers or small fires. It also

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<v S2>includes a mechanical launcher that hurls fire retardant, biodegradable capsules

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<v S2>which open before impact to disperse fire retardant chemicals, creating

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<v S2>a protective barrier. The initial system can launch these capsules

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<v S2>up to a quarter mile, enabling it to cover 50

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<v S2>to 100 acres of land. In later versions, they plan

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<v S2>to expand coverage to a one mile radius, and the

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<v S2>goal is to test the system in California during the

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<v S2>next fire season. Right now, Fire Dome is designed to

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<v S2>protect a medium sized area, like a residential neighborhood or

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<v S2>a vineyard, or a resort, where the potential savings will

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<v S2>justify the initial installation expense. However, if the system proves

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<v S2>it can help stop small fires from becoming raging infernos,

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<v S2>the savings in property and insurance costs might encourage even

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<v S2>more widespread use. Anything that can help stop wildfires will

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<v S2>be greatly appreciated, so we'll keep our eyes open for

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<v S2>future reports of Israel's fire dome system in action.

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<v S1>Well, a little over 100 years ago, antibiotics became the

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<v S1>wonder drugs to treat bacterial infections. But the rise of

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<v S1>antibiotic resistant strains of Strains of bacteria have made it

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<v S1>more difficult to treat such infections. Now, a breakthrough study

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<v S1>from Tel Aviv University could help solve the antibiotic resistance crisis.

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<v S1>Tell us about this new research out of Israel.

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<v S2>Yeah. The researchers at Tel Aviv University demonstrated a crucial

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<v S2>but underexplored process of DNA transfer between bacteria could be

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<v S2>exploited to neutralize bacterial defense mechanisms. The transfer of DNA

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<v S2>material is crucial to the survival of bacteria, and during

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<v S2>that transfer process, one bacterial cell connects directly to another

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<v S2>and allows the transfer of genetic fragments called plasmids. These

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<v S2>help provide the recipient bacteria with genetic advantages, including antibiotic resistance. Now,

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<v S2>Israeli researchers discovered that if the Anti-defense genes are positioned

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<v S2>near the DNA entry point, those plasmids overcome the defense

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<v S2>mechanisms of the cells. But if the genes are located

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<v S2>elsewhere on the plasmid, the bacteria die upon exposure to

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<v S2>Antibiotics in the race against antibiotic resistant bacteria. This new

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<v S2>discovery and subsequent plan of attack from Amazing Israel might

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<v S2>just offer great promise.

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<v S1>And that's a look at current events from the Middle East.

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<v S1>Thank you Charlie. Appreciate that. Medical tech development as well. Hey,

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<v S1>why are biblical covenants still such a big deal? You'll

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<v S1>find out as you stick with us here on the land.

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<v S1>And the book. Your Bible. It's filled with unbreakable agreements

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<v S1>from God. They're called covenants. But do they still matter today?

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<v S1>And if so, why? Coming up, a look at God's

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<v S1>everlasting covenant with his people. This is the land and

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<v S1>the book. I'm John Gager right now. Let's pause and

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<v S1>think creatively about how we can show the love of

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<v S1>Christ to that Jewish friend that God has placed in

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<v S1>placed in our lives. Listen to this. God has done

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<v S1>an amazing thing in this friendship of yours with a

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<v S1>Jewish friend. Let's say that she or he wants to

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<v S1>take the next step further with you in some kind

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<v S1>of a Bible study. Where in the world would you

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<v S1>take them in the Bible for a study that would

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<v S1>be meaningful to them? Eva melnick is an adjunct faculty

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<v S1>member at Moody Bible Institute. What's the passage that you

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<v S1>might take on or recommend, or the book of the Bible?

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<v S3>That's interesting. I think that if you had time, if

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<v S3>you had like a long term relationship with this person

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<v S3>and they were willing to invest some time, say, like

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<v S3>over a summer or winter solstice or whatever, um, study

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<v S3>the book of Matthew with your friend, because Matthew, the

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<v S3>gospel was written for Jewish people, and it is the

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<v S3>most rich with messianic prophecy and pictures of the Messiah

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<v S3>drawn right from the Jewish scriptures. And so if you

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<v S3>have some time in your Jewish friends willing say, okay,

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<v S3>this week, let's read these two chapters, let's get together

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<v S3>next Tuesday over coffee. and what questions came up for you.

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<v S3>Matthew is a great place to start.

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<v S1>What about some resources along the way? Any books you

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<v S1>might recommend? Or are there any ways that we should

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<v S1>approach these passages? Probably. We don't want to firehose people.

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<v S1>We don't want to read ten chapters in one night.

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<v S3>Right, exactly, exactly. I you know, as you know, I

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<v S3>work with Chosen People Ministries, and we have some great

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<v S3>material that's available with chosen people about how to share

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<v S3>your faith with your Jewish friends. There was a great

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<v S3>book on Isaiah 53. There's some other material that's just

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<v S3>general material on how to share your faith with your

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<v S3>Jewish friends that I think would be helpful for a

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<v S3>person to take a look at before they have those conversations.

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<v S3>If you are more visual, my search for Messiah by

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<v S3>Michael Riedel, a great resource to take a look at

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<v S3>and then give that to your Jewish friends.

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<v S1>And what a great guy he is.

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<v S3>As handsome and nice.

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<v S4>Yeah, yeah. And just.

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<v S1>Slightly related.

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<v S4>To you. Yeah, yeah. You know.

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<v S1>Even adjunct faculty member. And with Chosen People Ministries, our

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<v S1>guest here on the land and the book, Jim Ward

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<v S1>has a diverse background that enables him to bring fresh

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<v S1>insights to Scripture. His decades of experience as a Bible teacher,

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<v S1>it pro and his understanding of the languages of the

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<v S1>Bible help him notice the important details in God's Word

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<v S1>that maybe some of us are overlooking. Those details often

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<v S1>demystify passages in the Bible and illuminate their simple meaning.

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<v S1>Jim's wife, Anita, has been a part of Moody Radio

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<v S1>for decades, but it's an honor to welcome Jim now

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<v S1>to the land and the book. Thanks for coming to

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<v S1>our studio.

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<v S5>Well, thank you for inviting me.

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<v S1>You know, Jim, it seems to me we don't hear

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<v S1>much about biblical covenants today from our pulpits. Why do

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<v S1>you suppose that is? Or am I wrong?

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<v S5>Oh, that may be true in some circumstances, but I

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<v S5>think it's probably because it's a theological topic. And it

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<v S5>depends on why people are reading the Bible.

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<v S1>Yeah. When we use the term covenant, what do we

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<v S1>actually mean here? What are we talking about?

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<v S5>Its base definition is an agreement. In the case of

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<v S5>the Bible, you're really dealing with an agreement that is

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<v S5>offered by a superior being, And sometimes it comes with

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<v S5>a promise. Sometimes it comes with conditions for both parties.

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<v S1>We sometimes refer to the act of getting married as

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<v S1>entering into a covenant. But doesn't that cloud the biblical

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<v S1>concepts and so many of our marriage covenants are broken?

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<v S5>Well, there's a strong similarity, but like I was saying,

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<v S5>a biblical covenant involves a superior being. Whereas with the

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<v S5>marriage covenant you're really dealing with equals. But again, they're

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<v S5>very similar because it's an agreement.

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<v S1>And not just equals fallen equals broken equals. Yes for sure.

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<v S1>Jim Ward has a rich and nuanced understanding of biblical covenants.

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<v S1>He's our guest today on the land and the book.

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<v S1>I'm going to invite you to take us to one

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<v S1>of the earliest covenants in Scripture, Jim, who is involved here?

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<v S1>What are the specifics? What do we need to know?

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<v S5>Well, I tried to stick to the text, and I

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<v S5>wanted to focus on a particular phrase Brit Olam or

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<v S5>Everlasting Covenant. There are some other portions of Scripture where

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<v S5>someone might argue that a covenant was It wasn't involved.

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<v S5>But the first time we see the word Brit Olam

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<v S5>occurring in Scripture is in reference to the Noah story.

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<v S5>And so that's where we see the first everlasting covenant

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<v S5>with Noah, commonly known as the Noahic covenant and the

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<v S5>associated Noahide laws.

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<v S1>Okay, elaborate. What's in that covenant and is it in

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<v S1>effect today?

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<v S5>Oh, most definitely. And the reason I can say it's

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<v S5>in effect today is because it's everlasting. This really boils

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<v S5>down to the point here, John. When understanding Scripture, do

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<v S5>words mean things? And what does the word everlasting mean?

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<v S5>It either means everlasting or it means something else. And

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<v S5>I've chosen to take it at face value. So yes,

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<v S5>all of these covenants that we read about in this book,

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<v S5>Everlasting Covenants, are, in my opinion, permanent because they are everlasting.

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<v S5>And with Noah and the no way covenant, God has

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<v S5>made a promise that he will not flood the earth again.

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<v S5>He will not destroy all human life. I'm very happy

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<v S5>that that covenant is everlasting. And in addition to that,

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<v S5>there were some laws that were made. Now in the scriptures,

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<v S5>we only we are only told about two of them.

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<v S5>And one is that he would hold people accountable for

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<v S5>killing other people. There was a death penalty associated with that.

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<v S5>You know, the main law there is that whoever sheds

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<v S5>man's blood by man shall his blood be shed. Now,

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<v S5>the extra-biblical Jewish literature that we read indicates that there

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<v S5>were other laws that were given, and some of these

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<v S5>are reflected within the last half of the Ten Commandments.

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<v S5>But we need to go to some of the the

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<v S5>Jewish literature to understand that.

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<v S1>Interesting. You mentioned this Noah covenant, and all of us

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<v S1>who heard the story and who've read even the basics

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<v S1>in our Bible, would be familiar with that promise. God says,

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<v S1>I will never again destroy the earth, but we don't

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<v S1>ever or rarely, I should say, here attached to that

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<v S1>what you've brought out here, this business about, you know,

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<v S1>life is precious. We don't take the life of another.

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<v S5>And what's, I think very important there that many people

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<v S5>don't realize is that this covenant was made with the

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<v S5>entire Earth. Now, at the time, there were only eight people, right?

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<v S5>But that is the entire Earth's population. And it is

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<v S5>stated that this is for generations to come. So yes,

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<v S5>it is applicable to us today.

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<v S1>All right. Let me let me get real current and

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<v S1>maybe a little uncomfortable. Let me push you against the wall.

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<v S1>Are you saying then that when we do not, from

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<v S1>a biblical perspective, respect the value of a life by

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<v S1>failing to follow through, by disallowing capital punishment, we are

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<v S1>at odds with this covenant.

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<v S5>That would be my understanding. Yes, this is a directive

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<v S5>from God. So we are either following his directive or

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<v S5>we are not.

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<v S1>Today, on the land and the book we're visiting with

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<v S1>Jim Ward, who's written everlasting covenants. Covenants, of course, are

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<v S1>found outside of Scripture. What's different about a covenant initiated

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<v S1>by Almighty God?

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<v S5>Well, obviously the parties involved And I have to be honest,

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<v S5>sometimes this is, uh, I don't want to say. Detrimental,

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<v S5>but can have long lasting effects. Now, when we're talking

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<v S5>about the Sinaitic covenant, we're dealing with the covenant that

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<v S5>God made with the nation of Israel. If the covenant

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<v S5>is everlasting and you have an eternal partner in this covenant,

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<v S5>he's never going to go back on his end of

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<v S5>the deal. And he made a promise to them that

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<v S5>they would be his people and that they would be

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<v S5>his treasured possession. And he also stated that he would

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<v S5>chastise them. The fact that he has never rejected them

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<v S5>demonstrates that he is holding to his covenant, even the

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<v S5>chastisements that they have received in their rebellion throughout the years,

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<v S5>and the times that they have not obeyed them throughout

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<v S5>the scriptures, demonstrates that he is still making good on

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<v S5>his covenant. If he had failed to follow his covenant,

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<v S5>he would have just simply rejected them, and they would

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<v S5>have fallen into history like every other nation that we

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<v S5>never hear about anymore. And yet today, the nation of

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<v S5>Israel exists. And that demonstrates to me that God not

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<v S5>only preserved them, but he is still faithful to his covenant.

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<v S1>That says an awful lot about this God we read

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<v S1>about in Scripture and sing about in church on Sundays,

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<v S1>don't you think? I mean?

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<v S5>Well, very much so. He keeps his word and we

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<v S5>can go back and look at the documents. It's in writing. Yeah.

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<v S1>One of our hang up stems, perhaps from our confusion

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<v S1>about covenants that are conditional, as you pointed out, and

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<v S1>those that are not. Can you give a quick biblical

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<v S1>example of each?

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<v S5>Well, conditional covenant would be that there are responsibilities for

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<v S5>each party. For example, let's stick with the Sinai covenant.

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<v S5>There were quite a few laws that were given in

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<v S5>that respect, and if those laws are not followed, it's

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<v S5>essentially a violation of the covenant. That's something, as Christians,

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<v S5>that we don't always recognize. We think that, say, someone

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<v S5>who's under the Sinai into covenant sins or breaks one

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<v S5>of the commandments. We think, okay, well, they violated a commandment.

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<v S5>But when God talks about the violation of these commandments,

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<v S5>he's saying you have violated the covenant. It's not just

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<v S5>a simple act of disobedience. It's a violation of an

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<v S5>agreement that existed between two parties. Now, on the other hand,

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<v S5>you have a promissory covenant, for example, like the one

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<v S5>with Abraham. There was really nothing that Abraham had to do. Now, granted,

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<v S5>he had to leave his home, but there were really

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<v S5>no requirements other than to just believe God and that

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<v S5>he made a promise to him and that he was

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<v S5>going to make him into a great nation.

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<v S1>Thanks for joining us today on the land and the book.

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<v S1>I'm John Gager, joined in studio by Jim Ward. We're

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<v S1>looking at this big picture idea of everlasting covenants. Why

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<v S1>do you think God has chosen to interact with us

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<v S1>via promises and Covenants?

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<v S5>May I be so bold as to say that he

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<v S5>respects us?

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<v S1>Elaborate.

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<v S5>He made us in his image if he had not

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<v S5>respected us so much, I think he just would have

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<v S5>made us like the animals. And, uh, just by the

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<v S5>fact that he gave us the ability to disagree with him,

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<v S5>to rebel, demonstrates that he made us in the in

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<v S5>his image and that we have free will. And I

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<v S5>think he's respecting the image of God that he has

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<v S5>placed in us by entering into an agreement with us. Now,

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<v S5>you have to realize, even though I think he's respecting us,

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<v S5>he can be very persuasive. In the case of Abraham also,

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<v S5>especially in the case of Israel, he did some things.

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<v S5>First he goes in there, he makes a spectacle of

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<v S5>the gods of, of Egypt through the plagues, and he

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<v S5>delivers his people from bondage. And then he brings them

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<v S5>to the mountain. After he's done all this, then he says,

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<v S5>I'd like to make a covenant with you. Well, he's

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<v S5>now got them in a position where he's delivered them.

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<v S5>It's not likely they're going to be able to go back.

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<v S5>So he's got them in a bind a little bit,

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<v S5>but he's demonstrated his power first. He has the ability

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<v S5>to persuade, and yet he doesn't demand that they enter

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<v S5>a covenant. He requests a covenant with them. And I

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<v S5>think he's showing respect for the image of God that

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<v S5>he's placed in each one of us.

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<v S1>You know, along those lines. Let me play with that

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<v S1>just a bit further. The fact that he has respected

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<v S1>us so much to draw up an agreement, so to speak,

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<v S1>is evidence of the fact that he believes we are

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<v S1>capable of honoring that covenant. It's not beyond us. He

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<v S1>hasn't he hasn't built something by way of agreement and

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<v S1>fine print that's out of reach.

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<v S5>Oh, exactly.

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<v S1>That says a lot, I think, about a sense of

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<v S1>our responsibility to.

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<v S5>I would definitely agree with that, John. Yeah.

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<v S1>This is the land and the book from Moody Radio.

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<v S1>Our guest today, Jim Ward. What other important covenants can

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<v S1>we find in the Bible, and what do they mean

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<v S1>for us in 2025, Jim?

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<v S5>Well, we started off with the Noah covenant. Then there's

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<v S5>the Abrahamic covenant. That's really a covenant with people. And

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<v S5>then we get to the Sinai covenant. That's really, in

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<v S5>my opinion, a covenant with a nation and its transgenerational.

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<v S5>Then we have the the royal covenant, the Davidic Covenant,

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<v S5>where he's narrowing it down to the royal line. And

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<v S5>then there's one that is often overlooked. I might say,

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<v S5>or sometimes omitted in some of the theological books that

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<v S5>I have read. And that is the Levitic covenant. There

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<v S5>is a covenant made with Levi, and sometimes it interferes

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<v S5>with certain theologies, but that's something that I cover in

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<v S5>one of the chapters.

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<v S1>Well, if we really appreciated really valued God's covenants with us,

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<v S1>how would our lives be different, do you think?

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<v S5>Well, in my opinion, our primary responsibility for studying the

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<v S5>Bible is to get to know God. I realize that

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<v S5>many of us read the Bible because we're looking for comfort.

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<v S5>We're looking for insight, maybe some advice. And those are

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<v S5>all good things. But the Apostle Paul's prayer for us

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<v S5>is that we would know this is from Ephesians, that

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<v S5>we would know and understand him better. And God's statement

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<v S5>to Israel was that they would circumcise their hearts and

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<v S5>that this would all be internalized. And in my opinion,

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<v S5>the primary reason for reading the Bible in general is

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<v S5>that we might get to know him. And when we study,

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<v S5>especially like the Torah, for example, we're studying law, and

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<v S5>this is something that he delights in. And so if

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<v S5>we understand it, we are getting inside of God's head.

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<v S5>And when we understand the covenants, these are things that

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<v S5>he has chosen. This is his chosen way of interacting

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<v S5>with the human race. And if we understand those covenants,

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<v S5>we are going to understand him better just by what

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<v S5>we've been talking about here. When you ask the question,

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<v S5>why would he even bother making covenants with us if

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<v S5>what I said was accurate, that he respects us and

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<v S5>he respects the image that he's placed in us, that

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<v S5>tells me something about him, the fact that he offers

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<v S5>a covenant to these different individuals or different groups. First

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<v S5>of all, tells me he's not forcing himself on anyone.

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<v S5>He wants a relationship, whether it be with the individual

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<v S5>or with the group with whom he's covenanting.

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<v S1>Well, lots to think about here, and we invite you

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<v S1>to dig deeper as you check out Everlasting Covenants, Jim's book.

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<v S1>A link to that at our website. The land and

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<v S1>the book. Jim, thank you for these insights. A fascinating

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<v S1>thing to be thinking about.

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<v S5>Thank you.

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<v S1>Up next on the land in the book, your Bible

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<v S1>questions and some satisfying answers right here. It's that time.

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<v S1>Time to entertain some new questions from listeners that have

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<v S1>come in to us via our email address, which I'll

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<v S1>share with you later on. Welcome back to The land

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<v S1>and the book. By the way, I'm John Yeager. Good

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<v S1>to be with you today, and good to have Doctor

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<v S1>Gerald Peterman in his chair there, ready to answer those questions.

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<v S1>We'll start with one from James. An interesting way. He's

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<v S1>set this one up. He says, I was studying Bible

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<v S1>prophecy and a question came to mind. What if Michael

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<v S1>Wright gave you a call and said that he and

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<v S1>his wife, Eva, had some friends over a day ago

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<v S1>and discussed who the beast and false prophet might be

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<v S1>in revelation 13, and they, by the Holy Spirit, had

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<v S1>a strong sense of who these people are right now. Alright,

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<v S1>so here's the question. What would your reaction be? Would

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<v S1>you reveal the names of the people identified to the

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<v S1>public immediately, or would you wait until the exact identity

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<v S1>of the beast and the second beast were revealed?

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<v S6>My reaction would be this could never happen because I

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<v S6>know Michael and Eva and they know what Second Thessalonians says,

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<v S6>and I'm just going to drop in there. In verse three,

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<v S6>Paul says, don't let anyone deceive you in any way,

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<v S6>for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs

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<v S6>first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man

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<v S6>doomed to destruction. A little bit later on, he goes

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<v S6>on to say, the lawless one will be revealed when

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<v S6>the When the restrainer is taken away, and almost certainly

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<v S6>the Restrainer is the Holy Spirit working in us, the church.

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<v S6>When the church is raptured, the spirit is removed. And so,

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<v S6>in other words, the lawless one is going to be

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<v S6>revealed when Eva and Michael are no longer on the earth.

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<v S6>So I think they could not say this.

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<v S1>Jury wants to know. I'm hearing more talk in Christian

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<v S1>circles about generational curses. Can believers be subject to generational curses?

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<v S6>And I've heard the term, too. And I think the

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<v S6>short answer is no. It depends on how we define it.

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<v S6>I know where they're getting this phrase, generational curses. They're

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<v S6>getting it from passages like Deuteronomy five nine. And what

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<v S6>do we find? We find. I, the Lord your God,

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<v S6>am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin

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<v S6>of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of

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<v S6>those who hate me. So when there are sins in

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<v S6>the family, the sins can be passed on. But then

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<v S6>the children imitate the sins of the parents knowingly. They

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<v S6>choose to do so. So in other words, the curse

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<v S6>doesn't come upon them absent mindedly. And that can go

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<v S6>on for generation after generation in Christian families and in

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<v S6>non-Christian families. But thanks be to God, repentance can happen.

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<v S6>And we hear about this in Ezekiel 18. That's where

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<v S6>the prophet lays out a scenario. There's a righteous father,

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<v S6>and then he has a son who's corrupt, and then

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<v S6>that son has a son who is righteous. It all

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<v S6>depends upon the individual and the individual's choices. So I

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<v S6>don't think we're locked in to a generational curse.

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<v S1>Not locked in, but we can be affected by generational affected.

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<v S6>Yes. Yeah. So the real key then becomes do we

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<v S6>realize it and repent of it.

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<v S1>So along these same lines, Dan wants to know, can

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<v S1>a believer who is indwelt by the Holy Spirit also

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<v S1>be possessed by an evil spirit under some circumstances?

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<v S6>I think not. I think not, thanks be to God.

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<v S6>The one who is in us is more powerful than

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<v S6>the one that's outside us. The primary place I would

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<v S6>go to is first Corinthians six. What does Paul say?

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<v S6>Paul says, do you not know that your body is

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<v S6>a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you,

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<v S6>whom you have received from God? You are not your own.

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<v S6>You have been bought at a price. The price is,

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<v S6>of course, the blood of Christ. So since we belong

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<v S6>to God and He is in us, we cannot belong

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<v S6>to someone else.

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<v S1>This is the land and the book from Moody Radio.

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<v S1>Doctor Gerald Peterman of the Moody Bible Institute faculty is

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<v S1>addressing your questions. Great to sit down with him and

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<v S1>tap into his knowledge. Sadie takes us to Romans 224,

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<v S1>which says, because of you, the Gentiles blaspheme my name.

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<v S1>Does this contradict Genesis 12 verse three? How could the

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<v S1>blasphemers be not cursed if they are excused by Romans 224?

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<v S1>I'm confused.

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<v S6>Well, this is a very complex question. So we have

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<v S6>to remember context for at least two things. Let's go

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<v S6>to Romans two. What's happening in Romans two? Paul is

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<v S6>talking to a Jewish audience. That is very presumptuous. They

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<v S6>think that because they have the circumcision, because they have

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<v S6>the law, because they have Jewish heritage, therefore they're in

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<v S6>with God. And he contradicts that perspective that they have.

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<v S6>And he then says to them, you who teach others,

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<v S6>do you not teach yourself? While you preach against stealing,

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<v S6>do you steal you who say one must not commit adultery?

0:30:42.050 --> 0:30:44.530
<v S6>Do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols do you

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<v S6>rob temples? You who boast in the law. You dishonor

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<v S6>God by breaking the law. And now here comes the verse,

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<v S6>for it is written, the name of God is blasphemed

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<v S6>amongst the Gentiles because of you. Now that's taken from

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<v S6>Isaiah 52. What's the context of Isaiah 52? The context

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<v S6>of Isaiah 52 is Israelites taken away into exile in Assyria.

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<v S6>So you've got Jewish people surrounded by pagan people. And

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<v S6>here's what's happening. When this happens, the pagan people say,

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<v S6>na na na na na. Our God is more powerful

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<v S6>than your god, you see. So the name of God

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<v S6>is blasphemed. That is a critique of what Israelites have

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<v S6>done by presuming upon their own obedience.

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<v S1>Okay, a bit of a follow up here from Sadie.

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<v S1>Is it true, as some authors claim, that the Pharisees

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<v S1>began adopting occult beliefs during the Babylonian captivity?

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<v S6>Well, I've never heard that, but I think the answer

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<v S6>is no. Why is that? Because the Pharisees, as if

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<v S6>you will, a kind of a separate religious cult, don't

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<v S6>even come into existence until around 165 B.C. and that

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<v S6>is 350 years after the captivity. Let me rephrase it.

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<v S6>There weren't even Pharisees around to be dealing with these

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<v S6>practices during the captivity.

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<v S1>That sounds clear to me. Noah's question is, why do

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<v S1>some well-known teachers or pastors or churches divide when it

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<v S1>comes to losing salvation? Both sides use verses they say

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<v S1>back up their side of the issue. What's the bottom line?

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<v S6>Well, there is division because it's very important. And losing

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<v S6>salvation would be a horrible thing if it happened. It

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<v S6>does not happen. Thanks be to God. Let me take

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<v S6>us to Jesus. What does he say in John five?

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<v S6>Jesus said, I tell you the truth, whoever hears my

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<v S6>word and believes him who sent me has eternal life

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<v S6>and will not be condemned. He has crossed over from

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<v S6>death to life. Paul says something very similar in Ephesians

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<v S6>one verse 13. You also were included in Christ when

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<v S6>you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation.

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<v S6>Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal,

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<v S6>the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our

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<v S6>inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession.

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<v S6>We cannot lose salvation. On the other hand, it's possible

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<v S6>to have a false profession or even a false understanding

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<v S6>of who Christ is. Then the faith you have would

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<v S6>not be a good faith. Jesus talks about this in

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<v S6>Matthew seven. Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord,

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<v S6>will enter the kingdom, but those who do the will

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<v S6>of my father. Many will come to me and say, Lord,

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<v S6>you know we even prophesied in your name. And the

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<v S6>Lord will say, I never knew you. Not that you

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<v S6>knew me at some point, but I never knew you.

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<v S1>I find that to be one of the most chilling

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<v S1>verses in the entire Bible.

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<v S6>It is. It is.

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<v S1>I mean, these are people with good hearts, I think.

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<v S1>I mean, at least some good intentions, some biblical background.

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<v S1>But they missed it.

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<v S6>It's good for us to examine. Is our faith genuine? Yeah.

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<v S1>All right. Let's go back to our questions from listeners.

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<v S1>I got thousands of my own. Sadie takes us to

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<v S1>Hebrews 1132, where it praises the biblical character Jephthah, even

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<v S1>though he sacrificed his own daughter. Why so?

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<v S6>Well, my response might be unexpected. I don't think Jephthah

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<v S6>sacrificed his own daughter, but I'm going to have to

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<v S6>take some time explaining that. Yes. It's true. You come

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<v S6>to judges 1131 and we have a vow that Jephthah

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<v S6>makes whatever comes out of the doors of my house

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<v S6>to meet me when I'm returning peace from the sons

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<v S6>of Ammon. It shall be the Lord's, and I will

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<v S6>offer it up as a burnt offering. This pronoun, it

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<v S6>could be she comes out, he comes out, or it

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<v S6>comes out. I'm thinking Jephthah is thinking it's going to

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<v S6>be an animal. But I don't think when his daughter

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<v S6>comes out, he sacrifices her. I've got three reasons for that. First,

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<v S6>he makes this vow when the Holy Spirit comes upon him.

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<v S6>I don't think the Holy Spirit guides him to make

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<v S6>a vow about sacrificing a daughter. Correct. Number two, this

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<v S6>burnt offering. That's a technical term from Leviticus chapter one,

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<v S6>verse three. And a whole burnt offering is a male animal,

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<v S6>not a female animal. So it wouldn't be actually following

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<v S6>the law for Jephthah to do this. But then, third,

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<v S6>I think the primary reason is what is lamented near

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<v S6>the end of the of the story, his daughter laments

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<v S6>her virginity for two months. Why lament your virginity if

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<v S6>you're going to be sacrificed? Why not lament your life, right? Ah,

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<v S6>I take it because Jephthah doesn't offer up as a

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<v S6>burnt offering. He offers her as a someone who will

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<v S6>always be in the temple, serving God like Samuel was

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<v S6>offered by Hannah. Yeah. So in other words, now Jephthah

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<v S6>has no descendants, and it says twice in the narrative

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<v S6>she was his only child and never married. So then

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<v S6>Jephthah has no offspring.

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<v S1>Well, boy, we've dug into a lot of deep issues today. Nothing, though,

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<v S1>deeper than this idea of thinking, you know Jesus when

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<v S1>you really don't. What's a good next step in 15

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<v S1>seconds for somebody who who maybe has never given thought to,

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<v S1>is my faith genuine?

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<v S6>Uh, pray and ask the Lord for guidance. Um, go

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<v S6>over several texts in the New the New Testament about

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<v S6>what faith is, how faith might be defined. One of

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<v S6>my favorite ones is John 831 and 32. Ask other

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<v S6>people who know you really well. Tell me about my faith.

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<v S6>Get in my face, if you will, and tell me

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<v S6>about it. Yeah, I think that self-examination would be really good.

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<v S1>Good checks for a self-examination from Doctor Gerald Peterman answering

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<v S1>your Bible questions on the land and the book. We're

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<v S1>up next. It's Charlie Dyer's devotional. Stick around. Welcome back

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<v S1>to the land and the book. And if you hear

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<v S1>the word coney, you might think of Coney Island. You

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<v S1>might think of a coney animal. Charlie, tell us about

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<v S1>your devotional coming up.

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<v S2>Uh, we're going to talk about Groundhog Day and the

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<v S2>coneys mentioned in the King James Version of the Bible.

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<v S1>All right. Sounds intriguing, but first, this Holy Land experience.

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<v S1>Check out this testimony.

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<v S7>My name is Brian O'Neill, and I had the privilege

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<v S7>of traveling to Israel back in 2006 or so. And

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<v S7>I remember one particular event when we were at the

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<v S7>church of the Holy Sepulchre, which is the traditional site

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<v S7>of the crucifixion, burial and resurrection of Jesus. And we

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<v S7>were reading from John ten, where Jesus says, I am

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<v S7>the sheep gate. I am the good shepherd. The good

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<v S7>shepherd lays down his life for his sheep. And so

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<v S7>we read that and thought about that. We were when

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<v S7>we were on site there. And then we kind of

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<v S7>went backwards down the traditional Via Dolorosa to the pools

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<v S7>of Bethesda, which are famous because that's where Jesus met

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<v S7>and healed the lame man. And when you read John

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<v S7>five on that story, the story begins with saying, In

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<v S7>Jerusalem by the sheep gate there are these pools called Bethesda.

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<v S7>And that's where Jesus met the lame man, and just

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<v S7>hearing those two passages echo together in my mind, and

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<v S7>then hearing Jesus say, I am the sheepgate. And then

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<v S7>reading in John five by the sheep gate really drew

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<v S7>to my attention that Jesus came to fulfill that role

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<v S7>of laying down his life for the sheep. That gateway

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<v S7>into the temple that the sheep gate offered was the

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<v S7>way that we came into relationship with God.

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<v S1>We're headed for the book of Proverbs, chapter 30. In

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<v S1>your devotional, Charlie, you've called it the Wise Israeli Coney.

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<v S1>I am really intrigued.

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<v S2>Yeah, well. Thanks, John. Yeah, this coming week is Groundhog Day.

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<v S2>What most people know about Groundhog or Groundhog Day comes

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<v S2>from seeing the date on their calendar, or maybe viewing

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<v S2>the 1993 movie of the same name that starred Bill Murray.

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<v S2>But growing up in Pennsylvania and working some summers on farms,

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<v S2>I got to experience groundhogs in a more up close

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<v S2>and personal way. And let me just say, they're not

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<v S2>nearly as cute up close. The problem is that groundhogs

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<v S2>dig burrows in the ground. Weakening the soil. Those dens

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<v S2>can collapse under the weight of farm tractors or other equipment,

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<v S2>and the holes can actually injure animals that might step

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<v S2>in them. And the holes aren't the only problem. Groundhogs

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<v S2>act like little furry combines, chewing their way through the crops.

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<v S2>I know farmers who carried a rifle when they were

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<v S2>out cultivating their fields to try to rid the fields

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<v S2>of those bothersome pests, but one town in Pennsylvania has

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<v S2>learned how to profit off the little furry mammals. Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania,

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<v S2>is the home of Punxsutawney Phil. Every February 2nd, thousands

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<v S2>of visitors descend on Gobbler's Knob in Punxsutawney to see

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<v S2>if Phil will predict an early spring or six more

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<v S2>weeks of winter. As the Groundhog Club of Punxsutawney says

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<v S2>on its website, what would you rather be doing in

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<v S2>the middle of the night in the middle of the

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<v S2>winter in western PA? Having lived in Pennsylvania with all

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<v S2>those groundhogs? Imagine my surprise when I spotted what looked

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<v S2>like a groundhog during my very first trip to Trip

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<v S2>to Israel. It was perched on a rock sunning itself

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<v S2>as we hiked to the waterfall at Enjeti. Down by

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<v S2>the Dead Sea. My excitement was short lived, however. The

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<v S2>teacher and guide on that trip let us know what

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<v S2>we were seeing wasn't a groundhog. It was a hyrax

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<v S2>or rock badger. Or if you grew up with the

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<v S2>King James Version of the Bible, a coney. I really

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<v S2>like the name Coney. True, it's not a great translation.

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<v S2>Since when the Bible was translated? Back then, a coney

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<v S2>was a name used for a rabbit. And the animal

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<v S2>I saw in Israel didn't look anything like a rabbit.

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<v S2>No long ears, no fuzzy tail, no hopping around on

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<v S2>the ground. But it was a unique word that I

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<v S2>could match up with the animal I saw. Hyrax or

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<v S2>rock badger might be more accurate scientifically, but those words

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<v S2>don't really mean anything to me. The translators of the

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<v S2>New American Standard Bible punted when they decided how to

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<v S2>translate the word. The Hebrew word for this animal is chiffon,

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<v S2>and they simply translated it that way. Chiffon is the

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<v S2>singular and chef name for the plural. Now it's accurate,

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<v S2>but it still seems to lack the pizzazz of coney.

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<v S2>But what does any of this have to do with

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<v S2>our focus on the whys? Groundhog? Well, as I've already said,

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<v S2>the coney or rock badger or hyrax or chiffon in

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<v S2>Israel does look something like a groundhog. But they're not

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<v S2>related to the larger classification of animals, though both are mammals.

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<v S2>A groundhog is a rodent considered to be a large

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<v S2>ground squirrel or marmot, but a coney is more closely

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<v S2>related to, believe it or not, an elephant. Its front

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<v S2>teeth resemble tiny tusks, and its toes and skull are

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<v S2>more pachyderm like. It might look something like a groundhog,

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<v S2>but that's where the similarities end. In both Leviticus 11

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<v S2>and Deuteronomy 14, God made it clear that the coney

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<v S2>was not an animal that was to be eaten. Using

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<v S2>today's terminology, it wasn't kosher, but that doesn't mean the

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<v S2>animal wasn't important. In fact, God used the coney to

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<v S2>teach Israel a great lesson about wisdom and to learn

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<v S2>that lesson. Let's head back down to Engedi, to the

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<v S2>place where I first spotted that cony over 40 years ago.

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<v S2>As we hike up the pathway leading to the waterfall,

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<v S2>we spot a group of conies sprawled out on the

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<v S2>rocks and boulders just to the left of the pathway.

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<v S2>You can see for yourself that they do look something

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<v S2>like groundhogs, but while groundhogs dig burrows into the ground,

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<v S2>the conies make their homes in the crevices between the rocks.

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<v S2>They live in family groups, often with the oldest male

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<v S2>standing guard, while the other members of the clan lounge

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<v S2>in the sun scamper among the rocks or feed off

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<v S2>the nearby trees and brush. As long as we don't

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<v S2>make any sudden moves or loud noises, we won't scare

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<v S2>them off. But if we do, they'll quickly disappear into

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<v S2>the rocks and wait until we're gone before they emerge.

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<v S2>As we stand here and watch these creatures scamper about,

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<v S2>the words of Proverbs 3026 come to life. In that passage,

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<v S2>the writer introduces us to four creatures on Earth that

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<v S2>are small yet extremely wise, and the second creature on

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<v S2>his list of animals that illustrate wisdom are the very

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<v S2>ones before us. Now. The conies or hyrax, or rock

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<v S2>badgers or shefayim are creatures of little power, yet they

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<v S2>make their homes in the crags. These groundhog looking animals

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<v S2>are relatively defenseless. If they were to be caught out

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<v S2>in the open by a wolf, or a desert lynx,

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<v S2>or even an eagle or some other large bird of prey,

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<v S2>they could easily be taken. But conies don't live out

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<v S2>in the open to spot them. You look for rocks, boulders,

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<v S2>rock ledges, under cliffs or rocks piled up into stone

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<v S2>fences or ancient ruins. But what's the lesson on wisdom

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<v S2>we're to learn from this insignificant animal? Conies have wisely

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<v S2>learned to seek out and remain near places of safety.

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<v S2>The author of Proverbs 30 sees this relatively small animal,

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<v S2>teaching us the importance of not living foolishly, of making

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<v S2>sure we don't unnecessarily expose ourselves to threats or threats

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<v S2>or dangers. Exercising appropriate care and caution in threatening circumstances

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<v S2>is wise. And yet the Koni didn't live in fear,

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<v S2>hiding inside its den all day. We still see it outside, resting, feeding,

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<v S2>scampering about, but always making sure it remained close to

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<v S2>its place of protection should danger suddenly appear. The Koni,

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<v S2>Israel's version of a groundhog, at first seems rather insignificant.

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<v S2>It wasn't even an approved source of food. And yet

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<v S2>God had this animal teach Israel and us an important

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<v S2>lesson about wisdom. Someone who's wise knows, like the coney,

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<v S2>that it's important to protect against unnecessary exposure to danger

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<v S2>and risk. Taking one's security seriously is wise. So what

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<v S2>lesson should we take away from this encounter with Israel's

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<v S2>wise version of Punxsutawney Phil? How about this it's never

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<v S2>too late to begin mastering God's principles for living life wisely.

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<v S2>And one key principle of wise living is not foolishly

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<v S2>taking unnecessary risks. Jesus said the wise man built his

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<v S2>house upon the rock, and Proverbs 30 says the wise

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<v S2>Coni built his house among the rocks. And perhaps the

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<v S2>best application for us is to make sure we stay

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<v S2>close to the Rock of ages. To help visualize this lesson,

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<v S2>I'll post a few pictures of Conies on our land

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<v S2>and the book Facebook page two will actually be from

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<v S2>my first trip there to Angati, and the third is

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<v S2>from a trip I took up in Galilee. If you

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<v S2>want to see a cone, head over to our Facebook

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<v S2>page and take a look.

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<v S1>Thank you Charlie. Well, speaking of wisdom, the ultimate wisdom

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<v S1>is to know Jesus as Savior, to make him in

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<v S1>charge of your life. For somebody who is confused about

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<v S1>what that means. What did they do? What did they pray?

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<v S1>How did they get this thing right with God?

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<v S2>Well, John, I think the easiest thing that they could

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<v S2>do is turn to God and say, Lord, I don't

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<v S2>know you, but I want to. And I understand you

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<v S2>sent your son here to live a perfect life, and

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<v S2>then to die on the cross to pay the penalty

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<v S2>for my sin. And I want to put my trust

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<v S2>in him right now. And what he did for me

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<v S2>is my Savior. So please forgive me of my sins,

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<v S2>because I want to put my trust now in Jesus.

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<v S2>And if someone prays that God will answer that prayer.

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<v S1>Thank you Charlie. We'd love to hear from you. If

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<v S1>this is a step that you're taking, you can email

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