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But thanks so 41 00:01:51,610 --> 00:01:54,130 S1: much for being with us and enjoy the broadcast. 42 00:02:26,820 --> 00:02:32,660 S2: I decided that the Constitution gives me war powers, but 43 00:02:32,660 --> 00:02:37,100 S2: no one knows exactly what those powers are. Some say 44 00:02:37,100 --> 00:02:40,300 S2: they don't exist. I don't know, I decided I needed 45 00:02:40,300 --> 00:02:44,060 S2: them to exist, to uphold my oath to protect the Constitution, 46 00:02:44,540 --> 00:02:46,980 S2: which I decided meant that I could take the rebel 47 00:02:46,980 --> 00:02:51,540 S2: slaves from them as property confiscated in war. That might 48 00:02:51,580 --> 00:02:53,980 S2: recommend to suspicion that I agree with the Rebs that 49 00:02:53,980 --> 00:02:56,150 S2: their slaves are property in the first place. Of course, 50 00:02:56,150 --> 00:03:00,750 S2: I don't never have. I'm glad to see any man free. 51 00:03:00,750 --> 00:03:05,070 S2: And if calling a man property or war contraband does 52 00:03:05,070 --> 00:03:08,630 S2: the trick. I caught at the opportunity. Now here's where 53 00:03:08,630 --> 00:03:12,829 S2: it gets truly slippery. I use the law allowing for 54 00:03:12,830 --> 00:03:15,350 S2: the seizure of property in a war. Knowing it applies 55 00:03:15,350 --> 00:03:19,109 S2: only to the property of governments and citizens of belligerent nations. 56 00:03:19,110 --> 00:03:22,830 S2: The South ain't a nation. That's why I can't negotiate 57 00:03:22,830 --> 00:03:27,070 S2: with them. So if in fact the Negroes are property 58 00:03:27,070 --> 00:03:29,550 S2: according to law, have I the right to take the 59 00:03:29,550 --> 00:03:32,350 S2: rebel's property from them? If I insist they're rebels only 60 00:03:32,350 --> 00:03:36,310 S2: and not citizens of a belligerent country. And slippery or still, 61 00:03:36,310 --> 00:03:39,390 S2: I maintain it ain't our actual southern states in rebellion. 62 00:03:40,310 --> 00:03:43,870 S2: But only the rebels living in those states. Laws of 63 00:03:43,870 --> 00:03:48,589 S2: which states remain in force. That means that since it's 64 00:03:48,590 --> 00:03:52,350 S2: states laws that determine whether Negroes can be sold as slaves, 65 00:03:52,390 --> 00:03:56,200 S2: as property. Federal government doesn't have a say in that, 66 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:02,360 S2: at least not yet. Then Negroes in those states are slaves, 67 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,520 S2: hence property. Hence my war powers allow me to confiscate 68 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,920 S2: them as such, so I confiscate them. But if I'm 69 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,360 S2: a respecter of states laws, how then can I legally 70 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,200 S2: free him with my proclamation as I done and as 71 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,960 S2: I'm canceling states laws? I felt the war demanded it. 72 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,880 S2: My oath demanded it. I felt right with myself, and 73 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,480 S2: I hoped it was legal to do it. I'm hoping still. 74 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,000 S1: Such a pivotal moment in the movie Lincoln starring Daniel Day-Lewis, 75 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:38,240 S1: and really points out the conundrum of leadership and what 76 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,280 S1: trumped what federal rights or states rights. We're going to 77 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,960 S1: talk about that 16th president on this hour's edition of 78 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,360 S1: In the Market with Janet partial. And I am delighted 79 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,760 S1: that you're going to spend it with us. I'm even 80 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,120 S1: more delighted that I get to spend one full hour 81 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,890 S1: with Doctor Joe Wheeler. A tradition has had it that 82 00:04:53,890 --> 00:04:57,289 S1: that over the last. Well, I'll just suffice it to say, 83 00:04:57,290 --> 00:04:59,529 S1: it's been a whole lot of years that Doctor Wheeler 84 00:04:59,529 --> 00:05:01,650 S1: and I have gotten together. It's usually around Christmas time 85 00:05:01,930 --> 00:05:04,010 S1: when I get the distinct privilege of being able to 86 00:05:04,050 --> 00:05:07,130 S1: talk to him about his marvelous Christmas in My Heart series. 87 00:05:07,130 --> 00:05:09,650 S1: In fact, it's not Christmas at the partial house until 88 00:05:09,650 --> 00:05:11,810 S1: that book arrives. And then I get Doctor Wheeler on 89 00:05:11,810 --> 00:05:14,290 S1: the air, and he talks about the collection of the 90 00:05:14,330 --> 00:05:17,090 S1: books and the collection of the stories. And then, well, 91 00:05:17,089 --> 00:05:19,010 S1: he does us all a service by reading his story 92 00:05:19,010 --> 00:05:21,610 S1: out of those books as well. But now it's a 93 00:05:21,850 --> 00:05:23,969 S1: different direction we're going to take today, because he's put 94 00:05:23,970 --> 00:05:27,010 S1: together a marvelous book that's now a treasure in my 95 00:05:27,010 --> 00:05:30,890 S1: library as well, called Abraham Lincoln Civil War Stories, heartwarming 96 00:05:30,890 --> 00:05:34,170 S1: stories about our most beloved president. When you stop and 97 00:05:34,170 --> 00:05:36,170 S1: think about it, Doctor Wheeler is just the right person 98 00:05:36,170 --> 00:05:38,450 S1: to do this because he is one of those rare 99 00:05:38,490 --> 00:05:43,050 S1: individuals in our country who's considered a story anthologist, which 100 00:05:43,050 --> 00:05:46,050 S1: means he gathers stories. In fact, it was Doctor Dobson 101 00:05:46,050 --> 00:05:48,730 S1: who called him the keeper of the story. He grew 102 00:05:48,730 --> 00:05:51,940 S1: up loving stories, and it's a love he's cherished all 103 00:05:51,940 --> 00:05:54,299 S1: his life. And I do believe, and he probably won't 104 00:05:54,300 --> 00:05:56,779 S1: know this side of glory, how many people he's impacted. 105 00:05:57,060 --> 00:05:59,779 S1: He's taught many of us to love the power of 106 00:05:59,779 --> 00:06:02,580 S1: a story. So he's an author and editor, and he 107 00:06:02,580 --> 00:06:06,420 S1: is a compiler of 80 books. And 66 of them, 108 00:06:06,420 --> 00:06:09,580 S1: by the way, are story anthologies. And he is considered 109 00:06:09,580 --> 00:06:12,580 S1: a leader in this particular area. So I am so 110 00:06:12,580 --> 00:06:14,700 S1: thankful for the gift of your time. I didn't even 111 00:06:14,700 --> 00:06:16,820 S1: get into your work with the Zane Grey Society. I'm 112 00:06:16,820 --> 00:06:18,700 S1: going to touch on that a little bit later, but 113 00:06:18,700 --> 00:06:20,700 S1: I am most intrigued. In fact, I could not wait 114 00:06:20,700 --> 00:06:22,779 S1: to be with you today to ask this first question, 115 00:06:22,779 --> 00:06:26,460 S1: which is why Abraham Lincoln, all the stories over all 116 00:06:26,460 --> 00:06:29,020 S1: the years, and all the books. Why do a book 117 00:06:29,020 --> 00:06:32,180 S1: devoted strictly to collecting stories about our 16th president? 118 00:06:33,620 --> 00:06:40,060 S3: Well, the reason is that my mother considered Lincoln to 119 00:06:40,060 --> 00:06:43,540 S3: be her favorite subject, and she raised me, uh, with 120 00:06:43,580 --> 00:06:49,510 S3: a with a great devotion to Lincoln and, uh, of 121 00:06:49,510 --> 00:06:53,390 S3: all the presidents, as I pointed out in my Lincoln biography. 122 00:06:53,430 --> 00:06:56,390 S3: Five years ago, a man of faith and courage, of 123 00:06:56,390 --> 00:07:00,550 S3: all the presidents, Lincoln is the only one that I 124 00:07:00,589 --> 00:07:05,070 S3: really love as an individual. It's more than admiration. And 125 00:07:05,070 --> 00:07:11,350 S3: I have spent essentially my entire adult lifetime trying to 126 00:07:11,430 --> 00:07:19,070 S3: track down these, uh, very fragile, very rare, very elusive 127 00:07:19,110 --> 00:07:23,830 S3: Lincoln stories. And almost none of them have ever been 128 00:07:23,830 --> 00:07:28,950 S3: heard from before. In the in the 150 years since 129 00:07:28,950 --> 00:07:32,710 S3: the passing of Lincoln, uh, to my knowledge, there has 130 00:07:32,710 --> 00:07:37,150 S3: been no comparable collection of stories ever assembled. We've had 131 00:07:37,150 --> 00:07:41,990 S3: lots of books with the stories Lincoln told, but all 132 00:07:41,990 --> 00:07:45,310 S3: of these wonderful stories from the heartland that came from 133 00:07:45,310 --> 00:07:50,270 S3: people's very hearts about what Lincoln was and what he 134 00:07:50,270 --> 00:07:55,670 S3: meant to them that were read by elocutionists in town 135 00:07:55,670 --> 00:07:59,710 S3: halls and schools and churches down through the years. Many 136 00:07:59,710 --> 00:08:04,790 S3: of them handwritten. Who knows where they come from? But 137 00:08:04,950 --> 00:08:06,510 S3: that's why I care so much. 138 00:08:06,990 --> 00:08:09,830 S1: Yes, and what a treasure chest this book is. And 139 00:08:09,830 --> 00:08:12,270 S1: by the way, friends, because it is Doctor Joe Wheeler. 140 00:08:12,510 --> 00:08:14,990 S1: We get the treat. In this hour, you're going to 141 00:08:14,990 --> 00:08:16,990 S1: have Doctor Wheeler read one of the stories out of 142 00:08:16,990 --> 00:08:19,150 S1: his newest book. And by the way, his second now 143 00:08:19,150 --> 00:08:22,750 S1: on Lincoln, his newest book called Abraham Lincoln Civil War Stories, 144 00:08:22,750 --> 00:08:26,150 S1: heartwarming stories about our most beloved president. We'll take a 145 00:08:26,150 --> 00:08:27,270 S1: break and come right back. 146 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:59,000 S2: Euclid's first common notion is this things which are equal 147 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:03,839 S2: to the same thing are equal to each other. That's 148 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,520 S2: a rule of mathematical reasoning. It's true because it works, 149 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:13,680 S2: has done, and always will do. In his book, Euclid 150 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:18,079 S2: says this is self-evident. You see, there it is. Even 151 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,319 S2: in that 2000 year old book of mechanical law, it 152 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,000 S2: is a self-evident truth that things which are equal to 153 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,600 S2: the same thing are equal to each other. 154 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,000 S1: Again, audio from the film Lincoln. By the way, multiple 155 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,920 S1: films made about Abraham Lincoln, but I'm talking about not 156 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,959 S1: a film, a book today. Doctor Joe Wheeler, the keeper 157 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,959 S1: of the story, is with us, and he's pulled together 158 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,210 S1: a book that are treasured stories about Abraham Lincoln called 159 00:09:44,250 --> 00:09:47,730 S1: Abraham Lincoln, Civil War stories. Joe, one of the things 160 00:09:47,730 --> 00:09:49,410 S1: I appreciate about the book is the way that you 161 00:09:49,450 --> 00:09:53,730 S1: laid it out chronologically. You clustered the stories based on 162 00:09:54,090 --> 00:09:56,210 S1: a timeline, which I thought was very interesting, but it 163 00:09:56,210 --> 00:09:58,290 S1: made me think of something you said in our last segment, 164 00:09:58,290 --> 00:10:02,329 S1: which was, as these stories are gathered, how were you 165 00:10:02,370 --> 00:10:05,690 S1: able to timestamp where they fell, whether it was the 166 00:10:05,690 --> 00:10:08,650 S1: frontier years or the Civil War, the early years, or 167 00:10:08,650 --> 00:10:10,569 S1: the later years, how were you able to figure out 168 00:10:10,570 --> 00:10:13,290 S1: where that story emanated from? What time period? 169 00:10:13,570 --> 00:10:17,449 S3: Well, essentially, it helped that I spent a lifetime studying Lincoln, 170 00:10:17,770 --> 00:10:22,250 S3: and that I spent years getting ready to write the biography. 171 00:10:22,250 --> 00:10:26,130 S3: And by the time I got to this collection, I 172 00:10:26,370 --> 00:10:31,330 S3: knew the stories well enough so that I could pigeonhole 173 00:10:31,330 --> 00:10:35,050 S3: what part of his life that the stories were set in. 174 00:10:36,730 --> 00:10:38,650 S1: So when you gathered the stories, and by the way, 175 00:10:38,650 --> 00:10:40,860 S1: I love finding out how you do your research. You 176 00:10:40,860 --> 00:10:44,260 S1: just must read, read, read constantly. Overall, because there are 177 00:10:44,260 --> 00:10:47,459 S1: so many stories by so many authors in this book, 178 00:10:47,740 --> 00:10:52,220 S1: are they predominantly written by his contemporaries or are they 179 00:10:52,220 --> 00:10:55,860 S1: modern people? Looking back, because you wonder about the historicity 180 00:10:55,860 --> 00:10:58,140 S1: of this, I'm thinking an eyewitness account or in that 181 00:10:58,140 --> 00:11:00,980 S1: time period might be a little more reflective, as opposed 182 00:11:00,980 --> 00:11:03,860 S1: to Lionizing Lincoln. So how do you determine which was which? 183 00:11:04,540 --> 00:11:10,460 S3: You know, I have both. Um, the reality is that, uh, 184 00:11:10,660 --> 00:11:13,819 S3: had I not done all of these years of study, 185 00:11:14,179 --> 00:11:17,180 S3: I would have would have had a very difficult time 186 00:11:17,179 --> 00:11:21,340 S3: arriving at which ones were real and which ones were not. 187 00:11:21,340 --> 00:11:27,020 S3: Because so much of what's been written about Lincoln is erroneous. Uh, 188 00:11:27,020 --> 00:11:30,819 S3: and we discover that he didn't say certain things or 189 00:11:30,820 --> 00:11:35,500 S3: do certain things that, uh, individuals claim in stories. And 190 00:11:35,500 --> 00:11:39,550 S3: so what I had to do Was to make as 191 00:11:39,590 --> 00:11:43,550 S3: sure as it was possible to be that every story 192 00:11:43,550 --> 00:11:48,550 S3: that I include in the collection rang true to the history, 193 00:11:48,590 --> 00:11:52,470 S3: the real life history that I have immersed myself in 194 00:11:52,510 --> 00:11:55,790 S3: for so many years. So I, I feel very comfortable 195 00:11:55,790 --> 00:12:00,710 S3: that if a story isn't actually true, that in almost 196 00:12:00,710 --> 00:12:04,830 S3: all cases, it's based on true incidents. And so I 197 00:12:04,830 --> 00:12:07,150 S3: feel consequently that it's valid. 198 00:12:07,830 --> 00:12:11,190 S1: Mhm. Wow. All right. So let me you said something intriguing. 199 00:12:11,190 --> 00:12:12,870 S1: I want to go back and dig a little deeper. 200 00:12:12,870 --> 00:12:15,750 S1: Things that have often been ascribed to Lincoln that he 201 00:12:15,750 --> 00:12:18,910 S1: may not have said as you've studied him both in 202 00:12:18,910 --> 00:12:21,790 S1: your previous book and this one, Joe, what do you 203 00:12:21,790 --> 00:12:25,870 S1: think is one of the greatest misconceptions about our 16th president? 204 00:12:26,630 --> 00:12:29,790 S3: Well, I think one of the greatest misperceptions, and I 205 00:12:29,790 --> 00:12:34,910 S3: hate to use the word greatest, is that, uh, in today, 206 00:12:35,070 --> 00:12:40,920 S3: it is, uh, the vogue with individuals who are scholars 207 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:45,360 S3: or in the media. The vogue is to strip Lincoln 208 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:52,240 S3: almost completely of any of his spiritual walk. And without 209 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:57,240 S3: without realizing that, without the spiritual walk, without the day 210 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:02,520 S3: by day closeness with God, that alone kept him on 211 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,720 S3: a path to being able to make it through the 212 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:09,760 S3: Civil War. Without that, Lincoln would not be Lincoln. And 213 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,760 S3: so I think that, to me, is the tragedy of 214 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:20,000 S3: what's happening today, is that we pretend that he was 215 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,520 S3: not a spiritual man, and somehow he accomplished all these 216 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:29,319 S3: incredible things on his own without any higher power being involved. 217 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:34,160 S3: And so, uh, yeah, I, I would stake my reputation 218 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:34,970 S3: on that one. 219 00:13:35,929 --> 00:13:38,130 S1: That is so comforting to hear you say, because I, 220 00:13:38,170 --> 00:13:41,370 S1: like you, have read so many various biographies where people 221 00:13:41,370 --> 00:13:44,090 S1: will say that he really was not very much of 222 00:13:44,090 --> 00:13:47,250 S1: a religious man, that that could be probably more of 223 00:13:47,290 --> 00:13:51,410 S1: defining who Mary Todd Lincoln was, but certainly not him. 224 00:13:51,410 --> 00:13:54,330 S1: But then one wonders all that he went through, how 225 00:13:54,330 --> 00:13:57,130 S1: you could endure his wife's health, the loss of children, 226 00:13:57,130 --> 00:13:59,970 S1: the Civil War, how you could do all of that 227 00:13:59,970 --> 00:14:02,930 S1: without having to understand that somehow God was the one 228 00:14:02,929 --> 00:14:04,809 S1: you could turn to in the midst of those sorrows. 229 00:14:05,090 --> 00:14:09,250 S3: I agree with you 100%. He needed that to get through. 230 00:14:10,570 --> 00:14:11,130 S3: And of course. 231 00:14:11,170 --> 00:14:11,650 S1: Absolutely. 232 00:14:13,130 --> 00:14:16,810 S3: And of course he needed it also in his own. 233 00:14:16,809 --> 00:14:20,730 S3: You mentioned Mary Todd Lincoln in order to get through, uh, 234 00:14:20,730 --> 00:14:26,690 S3: in terms of her fragile hold on reality and how 235 00:14:26,690 --> 00:14:30,530 S3: close she came to insanity. And, of course, when she 236 00:14:30,730 --> 00:14:34,220 S3: lost so many of her own immediate family during the 237 00:14:34,220 --> 00:14:37,860 S3: war that were from the South. And besides, the ones 238 00:14:37,860 --> 00:14:40,500 S3: that were in the north and then lost half of 239 00:14:40,500 --> 00:14:44,580 S3: her children. Ah, it's no wonder that she had such 240 00:14:44,620 --> 00:14:47,620 S3: a fragile hold on reality. 241 00:14:48,260 --> 00:14:51,740 S1: Absolutely. Doctor Joe Wheeler is with us, one of those 242 00:14:51,740 --> 00:14:55,940 S1: rare individuals who is really. In fact, he's considered the 243 00:14:55,940 --> 00:15:00,300 S1: leading American story, uh, anthologist, which means he gathers all 244 00:15:00,300 --> 00:15:02,940 S1: these stories together, puts them in books. And what a 245 00:15:02,940 --> 00:15:05,340 S1: prolific author and editor he is. So his latest is 246 00:15:05,340 --> 00:15:09,060 S1: called Abraham Lincoln Civil War stories, heartwarming stories about our 247 00:15:09,060 --> 00:15:12,260 S1: most beloved president. What I love is when Doctor Wheeler 248 00:15:12,260 --> 00:15:14,260 S1: reads the story. So when we come back, he's going 249 00:15:14,300 --> 00:15:16,340 S1: to read one that's included in this brand new book. 250 00:15:16,380 --> 00:15:27,260 S1: More after this. Doctor Joe Wheeler is with us. His 251 00:15:27,260 --> 00:15:30,260 S1: newest book is a compilation of stories about Abraham Lincoln. 252 00:15:30,260 --> 00:15:33,950 S1: It's called Abraham Lincoln's Civil War stories. Heartwarming stories about 253 00:15:33,950 --> 00:15:36,590 S1: our most beloved president. And, Joe, you're going to read 254 00:15:36,590 --> 00:15:41,070 S1: one now entitled only a mother. Author unknown. Please. 255 00:15:43,550 --> 00:15:46,390 S3: In November of the second year of the Civil War, 256 00:15:46,910 --> 00:15:50,590 S3: a young surgeon was stationed in a hospital near Washington. 257 00:15:51,190 --> 00:15:53,710 S3: One rainy morning, as he made his way to the 258 00:15:53,710 --> 00:15:57,630 S3: cot of a man who was dying, an orderly stopped him. 259 00:15:58,350 --> 00:16:03,990 S3: This is doctor Jason Wilkins. Yes. Sorry, doctor, but I've 260 00:16:04,030 --> 00:16:08,070 S3: got to arrest you and take you to Washington. Jason 261 00:16:08,070 --> 00:16:13,390 S3: looked the orderly over incredulously. You got the wrong man, friend. 262 00:16:14,670 --> 00:16:18,030 S3: The soldier drew a heavy envelope carefully from his breast 263 00:16:18,030 --> 00:16:24,350 S3: pocket and handed it to Jason. Jason opened it uneasily 264 00:16:24,790 --> 00:16:29,920 S3: and gasped. This is what he read. Show this to 265 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:35,680 S3: surgeon Jason Wilkins. Arrest him. Bring him to me immediately. 266 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:41,920 S3: A Lincoln, Jason Whitehead. What's up? He asked the orderly. 267 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,760 S3: I didn't ask, the president, replied the orderly dryly. We'll 268 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:52,040 S3: start at once, if you please, doctor. In a daze, 269 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,920 S3: Jason left for Washington. He thought of all the minor 270 00:16:55,920 --> 00:17:00,320 S3: offenses he might have committed. Jason was locked in a 271 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,399 S3: room in a Washington boarding house for one night. The 272 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,760 S3: next day, at noon, the orderly took him to the 273 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:11,200 S3: white House. An hour of waiting. Then a man came 274 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:17,000 S3: out of a door. Surgeon Jason Wilkins said the century here. 275 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:22,479 S3: Answered Jason this way. And Jason found himself in the 276 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:27,610 S3: inner room with the door closed behind him. There was 277 00:17:27,609 --> 00:17:31,850 S3: but one man in it besides Jason. But that man 278 00:17:31,850 --> 00:17:36,210 S3: was Mr. Lincoln. He sat at a desk with his 279 00:17:36,210 --> 00:17:40,609 S3: sombre eyes on Jason's face, still a cool young man, 280 00:17:40,650 --> 00:17:49,050 S3: despite trembling knees. You are Jason Wilkins? Asked Mr. Lincoln. Yes, Mr. Lincoln, 281 00:17:49,050 --> 00:17:55,050 S3: replied the young surgeon. Where are you from? High Hill, Ohio. 282 00:17:56,050 --> 00:18:01,970 S3: Have you any relatives? Only my mother is living. Yes, 283 00:18:02,609 --> 00:18:07,369 S3: only a mother. Well, young man, how is your mother? 284 00:18:08,090 --> 00:18:13,810 S3: Jason stammered. Why? Why, I don't know. You don't know? 285 00:18:13,930 --> 00:18:18,090 S3: Thundered Lincoln. And why don't you know? Is she living 286 00:18:18,090 --> 00:18:23,810 S3: or is she dead? I don't know, said Jason. To 287 00:18:24,010 --> 00:18:29,140 S3: tell the truth, I've neglected to write, and I don't 288 00:18:29,140 --> 00:18:33,860 S3: suppose she knows where I am. Mr. Lincoln clenched a 289 00:18:34,140 --> 00:18:39,859 S3: fist on his desk and his eyes searched. Jason. I 290 00:18:39,859 --> 00:18:45,740 S3: received a letter from her. She supposes you dead and 291 00:18:45,740 --> 00:18:49,540 S3: asked me to trace your grave. What was the matter 292 00:18:49,540 --> 00:18:53,619 S3: with her? No good. Like most mothers. A poor sort, huh? 293 00:18:53,780 --> 00:18:58,980 S3: Answer me, sir, Jason bristled a little. The best woman 294 00:18:58,980 --> 00:19:04,740 S3: that ever lived, Mr. President. Ah! Breathed Mr. Lincoln. Still, 295 00:19:04,740 --> 00:19:08,260 S3: you have no reason to be grateful to her. How'd 296 00:19:08,260 --> 00:19:15,219 S3: you get your training as a surgeon? Your father Jason reddened. Well, no. 297 00:19:15,780 --> 00:19:20,899 S3: Father was a poor Methodist preacher. Mother raised the money, though. 298 00:19:20,940 --> 00:19:26,270 S3: I worked for my board, mostly. So how did she 299 00:19:26,270 --> 00:19:33,310 S3: raise the money? Jason's lips were stiff. Selling things, Mr. President. 300 00:19:33,990 --> 00:19:39,669 S3: What did she sell? Old things. Mostly beyond use, except 301 00:19:39,670 --> 00:19:46,510 S3: in museums. You poor fool, said Lincoln. You poor worm! 302 00:19:46,910 --> 00:19:54,949 S3: Her household treasures one by one for you. Suddenly the 303 00:19:55,350 --> 00:19:58,830 S3: the president rose and pointed a long, bony finger at 304 00:19:58,830 --> 00:20:02,110 S3: his desk. Come here and sit down and write a 305 00:20:02,109 --> 00:20:08,230 S3: letter to your mother. Jason stalked obediently over and sat 306 00:20:08,270 --> 00:20:12,350 S3: down in the president's seat. He seized a pen and 307 00:20:12,350 --> 00:20:17,070 S3: wrote his mother a formal note. Address it and give 308 00:20:17,070 --> 00:20:20,550 S3: it to me, said the president. I'll see that it 309 00:20:20,550 --> 00:20:25,360 S3: gets to her. then, his stern voice rising a little. 310 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,400 S3: And now, Jason Wilkins, as long as you are in 311 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,639 S3: the army, you write to your mother once a week. 312 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,520 S3: If I have reason to correct you on the matter again, 313 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:44,359 S3: I'll have you court martialed. Jason rose and handed the 314 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:50,760 S3: letter to the president, then stood awaiting further orders. Finally, 315 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:57,400 S3: Lincoln turned to Jason. My boy, he said gently, there's 316 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:03,560 S3: no finer quality in the world than gratitude. There is 317 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,439 S3: nothing a man can have in his heart so mean, 318 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:12,960 S3: so low as ingratitude. Even a dog appreciates a kindness, 319 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:21,369 S3: never forgets a soft word or a bone. Needless to add, 320 00:21:21,410 --> 00:21:25,410 S3: the doctor recognised the justice of the president's hot words 321 00:21:26,570 --> 00:21:30,770 S3: and at once began making atonement to his mother for 322 00:21:30,770 --> 00:21:33,210 S3: his apparent forgetfulness. 323 00:21:35,730 --> 00:21:39,170 S1: What a wonderful story. A couple of questions immediately, and 324 00:21:39,170 --> 00:21:41,090 S1: I bet I'm asking on behalf of a whole lot 325 00:21:41,090 --> 00:21:44,930 S1: of people. Number one, the author is unknown. So how 326 00:21:44,930 --> 00:21:46,730 S1: did you, Joe, find this story? 327 00:21:47,890 --> 00:21:51,810 S3: Well, it's just one of those that surfaced. You use 328 00:21:51,810 --> 00:21:57,290 S3: the term that contemporary authors did in describing me. Uh, 329 00:21:58,450 --> 00:22:05,169 S3: story archaeologist and, uh, through the years in old magazines, 330 00:22:05,170 --> 00:22:09,970 S3: in old books, in in stories. People have sent me, uh, 331 00:22:10,250 --> 00:22:15,250 S3: stories that were spirit duplicated, that were mimeographed, that were handwritten, 332 00:22:15,250 --> 00:22:21,090 S3: that were typed, all these variations of stories. Um, this 333 00:22:21,090 --> 00:22:27,570 S3: one appeared from several different directions and from everything I 334 00:22:27,609 --> 00:22:32,530 S3: have seen and heard. Uh, I think it is clear 335 00:22:32,530 --> 00:22:39,170 S3: that it was based on a real incident. And I gradually, uh, 336 00:22:39,650 --> 00:22:43,290 S3: as I was putting this collection together. Uh, there was 337 00:22:43,290 --> 00:22:46,010 S3: another story that I would have liked to have read. Uh, 338 00:22:46,010 --> 00:22:49,530 S3: he loved me. Truly. The one about Abraham Lincoln's stepmother. 339 00:22:49,570 --> 00:22:53,050 S3: It opens the collection. But that was a little too long. 340 00:22:53,410 --> 00:22:57,530 S3: But this one that reflects the the great love and 341 00:22:57,530 --> 00:23:01,929 S3: admiration Lincoln had for both of his mothers. Um, especially 342 00:23:01,930 --> 00:23:05,050 S3: the stepmother. I just felt it was imperative that I 343 00:23:05,090 --> 00:23:06,730 S3: get this in the collection. 344 00:23:07,690 --> 00:23:10,570 S1: That's so funny. Growing up, something my mother would often 345 00:23:10,609 --> 00:23:13,010 S1: say is all that I am or hope to be, 346 00:23:13,010 --> 00:23:15,730 S1: I owe to my angel mother. A quote attributed to 347 00:23:15,900 --> 00:23:18,780 S1: Abraham Lincoln. And actually sitting on my desk here, I 348 00:23:18,780 --> 00:23:22,700 S1: have that quote on a plate because it reminded me 349 00:23:22,900 --> 00:23:25,540 S1: how thankful we can be for our parents and the 350 00:23:25,540 --> 00:23:28,740 S1: way in which they instill eternal values in our lives. 351 00:23:28,740 --> 00:23:31,340 S1: Here's the 16th president, not one, but two mothers and, 352 00:23:31,340 --> 00:23:34,699 S1: as you say, obviously learned much of the attributes that 353 00:23:34,700 --> 00:23:37,980 S1: would carry him through life, including, I suspect, the attribute 354 00:23:37,980 --> 00:23:40,340 S1: of gratitude as well, and wanted to make sure that 355 00:23:40,340 --> 00:23:44,300 S1: this learned surgeon in the Army got that lesson as well. 356 00:23:44,940 --> 00:23:46,899 S1: You wouldn't expect a modern day president to do it, 357 00:23:46,900 --> 00:23:49,460 S1: but he'll certainly be remembered for lots of things, including 358 00:23:49,460 --> 00:23:52,300 S1: those moments where there weren't a lot of witnesses. And 359 00:23:52,300 --> 00:23:55,620 S1: yet history still records the character of Abraham Lincoln. Joe 360 00:23:55,619 --> 00:23:58,060 S1: Wheeler remembers, puts it together in a story, puts it 361 00:23:58,060 --> 00:24:00,020 S1: in a book so that you and I can learn, 362 00:24:00,020 --> 00:24:03,580 S1: and the book becomes Abraham Lincoln's Civil War stories. Heartwarming 363 00:24:03,580 --> 00:24:10,060 S1: stories about our most beloved president. 1-877-548-3675. That's our number. 364 00:24:10,060 --> 00:24:12,619 S1: We get to spend the entire hour with Joe Wheeler 365 00:24:12,660 --> 00:24:14,830 S1: talking about Abraham Lincoln. If you have a question or 366 00:24:14,830 --> 00:24:17,630 S1: an impression or something, you've heard this man has studied 367 00:24:17,630 --> 00:24:43,030 S1: the 16th president inside out and upside down. We'll be back. Friends, 368 00:24:43,030 --> 00:24:44,590 S1: this is Janet partial, and I want to take a 369 00:24:44,590 --> 00:24:47,510 S1: moment to remind you that today's program is prerecorded so 370 00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:49,790 S1: our phone lines aren't open. But I sure do appreciate 371 00:24:49,790 --> 00:24:51,990 S1: your spending the hour with us. And thanks so much 372 00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:53,590 S1: and enjoy the rest of the program. 373 00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:10,270 S4: In his final words tonight, the judge said that we 374 00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:15,440 S4: can be the terror of the world. I don't think 375 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:20,240 S4: we want to be that. I think we would prefer 376 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,879 S4: to be the encouragement of the world. The proof that 377 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:30,080 S4: at last, man is worthy to be free. But we 378 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,320 S4: shall provide no such encouragement unless we can establish our 379 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,560 S4: ability as a nation to live and grow. And we 380 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:45,200 S4: shall surely do neither if these states fail to remain united. 381 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,960 S4: There can be no distinction in the definition of liberty 382 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,879 S4: as between one section and another, one class and another, 383 00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:04,159 S4: one race and another. A house divided against itself cannot stand. 384 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:15,370 S4: This government cannot endure permanently. Half slave and half free. 385 00:26:15,609 --> 00:26:18,850 S1: That movie goes back to 1940. Raymond Massey played the 386 00:26:18,850 --> 00:26:21,330 S1: role in that film. And just think, how many films, 387 00:26:21,330 --> 00:26:24,970 S1: both before and after that have been made about our 388 00:26:24,970 --> 00:26:29,210 S1: 16th president. What is it about this particular man that 389 00:26:29,210 --> 00:26:33,490 S1: captures the attention of so many succeeding generations? Well, it 390 00:26:33,490 --> 00:26:36,450 S1: certainly caught the attention of Doctor Joe Wheeler, who's written 391 00:26:36,450 --> 00:26:39,530 S1: a couple of books now on Lincoln. This marvelous man 392 00:26:39,530 --> 00:26:43,129 S1: loves the power of stories, and I am thrilled that 393 00:26:43,130 --> 00:26:45,929 S1: he's put together a book of stories by various authors, 394 00:26:45,930 --> 00:26:47,449 S1: by the way. And I love the way Doctor Wheeler 395 00:26:47,450 --> 00:26:49,810 S1: always puts something in that he authors as well. Those 396 00:26:49,810 --> 00:26:51,290 S1: are the ones I go to first, by the way. 397 00:26:51,330 --> 00:26:54,330 S1: Let the record reflect. But he's got this compilation of 398 00:26:54,330 --> 00:26:57,930 S1: stories about Abraham Lincoln divides it up over his lifespan, 399 00:26:57,970 --> 00:27:01,970 S1: different sections of his life. Fascinating reads. They'd be good 400 00:27:01,970 --> 00:27:04,129 S1: for stories if you were going to read to your kids, 401 00:27:04,130 --> 00:27:05,929 S1: if you were going to have reading time together as 402 00:27:05,930 --> 00:27:08,010 S1: a family, turn off the television. Turn off the radio. 403 00:27:08,050 --> 00:27:10,420 S1: What did she say? That sitting in front of a microphone? Yes, 404 00:27:10,420 --> 00:27:14,379 S1: I did, and have some time together as a family reading. 405 00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:17,180 S1: That's what Doctor Wheeler grew up on, and I think 406 00:27:17,180 --> 00:27:19,500 S1: that we've lost that. And he is doing all within 407 00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:21,540 S1: his power to try to help us remember the power 408 00:27:21,540 --> 00:27:27,380 S1: of stories as well. 1-877-548-3675. Lots of people online. Kevin, 409 00:27:27,380 --> 00:27:29,220 S1: I'm going to start with you in Illinois. Your question 410 00:27:29,220 --> 00:27:30,460 S1: for Doctor Wheeler, please. 411 00:27:30,780 --> 00:27:32,220 S5: Hi, Janet. Good afternoon. 412 00:27:32,660 --> 00:27:33,740 S1: Nice to have you with us. 413 00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:36,900 S5: It's such a privilege to hear your radio program all 414 00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:39,340 S5: the time, Janet. And if I can be so bold 415 00:27:39,340 --> 00:27:41,139 S5: as to say I think your husband, Craig, is a 416 00:27:41,140 --> 00:27:42,340 S5: very blessed man. 417 00:27:43,420 --> 00:27:47,780 S1: Thank you. Kevin. I'll pass that on to him. Thank you. 418 00:27:48,140 --> 00:27:51,980 S5: Yes, yes, I've listened to you guys so much together. Anyway, 419 00:27:52,260 --> 00:27:57,780 S5: doctor Wheeler, um, Steven Spielberg's movie on Lincoln has been 420 00:27:57,780 --> 00:28:01,260 S5: out and now it's on DVD. I've watched it twice. 421 00:28:01,619 --> 00:28:04,140 S5: I certainly see the greatness of the man Lincoln by 422 00:28:04,140 --> 00:28:07,430 S5: watching that movie. I don't think I saw the spiritual 423 00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:10,790 S5: walk that you speak of as you talk to Janet earlier, 424 00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:14,110 S5: but I'd love your feedback. I'd love to know what 425 00:28:14,109 --> 00:28:17,389 S5: you thought if you did watch the movie. Um, the 426 00:28:17,390 --> 00:28:20,390 S5: story you just told. I wish Spielberg could have had 427 00:28:20,390 --> 00:28:22,310 S5: that book, and he could have put that scene in 428 00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:23,030 S5: the movie. That would have. 429 00:28:23,030 --> 00:28:23,190 S1: Been. 430 00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:25,950 S5: A great sign of his spiritual walk, you know, in 431 00:28:25,950 --> 00:28:28,870 S5: a real indirect way. But I'd love to know your 432 00:28:28,869 --> 00:28:29,910 S5: thoughts of the movie. 433 00:28:30,550 --> 00:28:34,990 S3: I appreciate your your question. And yes, I did watch 434 00:28:34,990 --> 00:28:38,750 S3: the movie, and I watched it very closely to see 435 00:28:38,750 --> 00:28:42,510 S3: how authentic it was. And, uh, I will confess that 436 00:28:42,510 --> 00:28:46,310 S3: when Daniel Day-Lewis walked in, I just chills, went up 437 00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:50,390 S3: my spine. I felt like I was seeing Lincoln, and 438 00:28:50,390 --> 00:28:53,550 S3: I felt that, by and large, thanks to no small 439 00:28:53,550 --> 00:28:59,870 S3: thanks to the council of Doris Kearns Goodwin, that marvelous biographer. Uh, 440 00:28:59,870 --> 00:29:06,440 S3: it it is about as true historically as any biographical 441 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:11,280 S3: movie is these days. The two areas where I was 442 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,760 S3: uncomfortable with was, first of all, that it stripped him 443 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,880 S3: of his spiritual walk, except for one brief quote from 444 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,960 S3: I believe it was the second inaugural. And the other 445 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:29,480 S3: was that it that it presented him with a rougher 446 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:34,680 S3: language than I feel confident. I don't feel that I 447 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:39,760 S3: have found anything that would show him using a borderline 448 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,280 S3: vulgar or barracks vocabulary. Uh, I think he was a 449 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:49,479 S3: consummate politician, but never in a vulgar or coarse way. 450 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,360 S3: Those were the two areas that the only two that 451 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,800 S3: I really felt uncomfortable with in the movie. 452 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,560 S1: Kevin. Thank you. I'm so glad you asked that question. And, Joe, 453 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,880 S1: thank you for both of those observations. Like you in 454 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,890 S1: the Spielberg movie, particularly with the language. It was so 455 00:30:05,930 --> 00:30:08,130 S1: out of context it was like a slap across the 456 00:30:08,130 --> 00:30:10,450 S1: face when he said it, because it just didn't seem 457 00:30:10,450 --> 00:30:13,130 S1: to be in keeping with either the character or the time. 458 00:30:13,130 --> 00:30:18,690 S1: So I appreciate your input on that. 1-877-548-3675. Ruth Ann, 459 00:30:18,690 --> 00:30:21,250 S1: you're in Wisconsin. Thanks for joining into our conversation with 460 00:30:21,250 --> 00:30:23,170 S1: Doctor Wheeler and your thoughts, please. 461 00:30:23,610 --> 00:30:27,650 S6: I have tears of joy for mother's. I just realized 462 00:30:27,650 --> 00:30:30,930 S6: it when I heard you reading the story about Lincoln, 463 00:30:31,570 --> 00:30:34,850 S6: that my daughter for Mother's Day had sent me her book, 464 00:30:35,570 --> 00:30:38,410 S6: and I had never heard of you before. But somehow 465 00:30:38,450 --> 00:30:42,410 S6: Joe Wheeler came to my mind and I loved the book. 466 00:30:43,250 --> 00:30:49,410 S6: And my own father was, you know, ancestor to George Washington. 467 00:30:50,010 --> 00:30:54,490 S6: And from my own father I get my love for 468 00:30:55,690 --> 00:31:00,330 S6: the country and for. God. And. 469 00:31:01,140 --> 00:31:01,940 S7: Yeah. Um. 470 00:31:03,020 --> 00:31:04,100 S6: Thank you so much. 471 00:31:04,420 --> 00:31:07,860 S3: Well, thank you, my dear. And I'm I'm glad that 472 00:31:07,860 --> 00:31:12,300 S3: you enjoyed those stories, which, uh, if you're like most people, 473 00:31:12,300 --> 00:31:14,700 S3: you cried as much as you laughed. And that was 474 00:31:14,700 --> 00:31:16,940 S3: true of me when I put those stories together. 475 00:31:17,540 --> 00:31:21,540 S1: Yeah, absolutely. Ruthanne. Thank you. Thank you very much. You know, 476 00:31:21,580 --> 00:31:23,420 S1: I've never shared this over the air. Joe and I 477 00:31:23,420 --> 00:31:26,220 S1: just really feel that I should because the Bible says 478 00:31:26,220 --> 00:31:28,940 S1: to practice encouragement. So I want to encourage you, Ruth Ann, 479 00:31:28,940 --> 00:31:32,180 S1: like you talking about the personal connectedness we have with 480 00:31:32,180 --> 00:31:35,780 S1: Doctor Wheeler's books. As my mother in law was passing 481 00:31:35,780 --> 00:31:39,940 S1: from this life into eternity hours before she died. Joe, 482 00:31:40,260 --> 00:31:41,900 S1: I want you to know that she was being read 483 00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:44,500 S1: stories out of one of your books. So I would 484 00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:46,140 S1: just like you to know that. And I thank you 485 00:31:46,140 --> 00:31:48,380 S1: so much for that. Didn't have a clue at the time, 486 00:31:48,420 --> 00:31:51,300 S1: learned that after the fact. But I thought, what a 487 00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:54,660 S1: comfort knowing you that she was being encouraged by what 488 00:31:54,660 --> 00:31:56,380 S1: you had compiled in one of the books that she 489 00:31:56,380 --> 00:31:58,540 S1: was being read. So I thank you, friend, so much 490 00:31:58,540 --> 00:32:04,190 S1: for that. 1-877-548-3675. And let me go to Brenda. Brenda, 491 00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:06,670 S1: thank you for joining us. Your question, please, for Doctor Wheeler. 492 00:32:07,030 --> 00:32:13,790 S8: Well, I have a book, um, written by Allen Thorndike Rice. 493 00:32:13,790 --> 00:32:18,390 S8: And it's it's contemporaries of Abraham Lincoln. Uh, I just 494 00:32:18,390 --> 00:32:21,510 S8: didn't know when I read it whether to trust what 495 00:32:21,510 --> 00:32:23,350 S8: I'm reading or not. Have you ever heard of the 496 00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:28,230 S8: book Reminisces of Abraham Lincoln? It was written in in 1888. 497 00:32:28,270 --> 00:32:30,430 S3: Yes, I've heard of it. What's your question? 498 00:32:30,550 --> 00:32:32,630 S8: Well, I wondered, is it trustworthy? 499 00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:34,950 S3: Well, what aspect are you talking about? 500 00:32:34,990 --> 00:32:38,270 S8: Well, I mean the story's truth. Uh, would they be 501 00:32:38,270 --> 00:32:41,070 S8: truthful or by the different. 502 00:32:41,630 --> 00:32:45,870 S3: You must have some specific, uh, story or question that 503 00:32:45,870 --> 00:32:46,950 S3: you're referring to. 504 00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:51,270 S8: Well, as I read, the different, the different men that 505 00:32:51,270 --> 00:32:55,670 S8: I've written about him, um. Nothing specific. I just wondered 506 00:32:55,670 --> 00:32:57,310 S8: if you'd heard of the book and if it was 507 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,120 S8: the the things in it were trustworthy. I mean, if 508 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,000 S8: you haven't read it, then you wouldn't know that I guess. 509 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,520 S3: But all I know is, I know of the book, 510 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,960 S3: but it's not one that I have in my own library. 511 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:09,160 S8: Mm. 512 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:18,320 S1: Brenda. Thank you. I appreciate you being with us. 1877548367518775483675. 513 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,720 S1: Mary is joining us from Illinois, which is extremely appropriate 514 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,440 S1: because Abe was from Illinois. So Mary, thank you for 515 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,600 S1: being with us. Your question, please, for Doctor Wheeler. 516 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,080 S9: Sure. I was recently reading about Abraham Lincoln having a 517 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,880 S9: very difficult relationship to his father, um, largely in the 518 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,800 S9: context that it was tough times in every dime he made, 519 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,000 S9: he had to give to his father, and his father 520 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,920 S9: wanted him to have such a physical labor. And, you know, 521 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,520 S9: he wanted to do more reading. I wondered what your 522 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,240 S9: input as to his relationship to his father was. 523 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,240 S3: Well, it was an interesting one, and that is that 524 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:58,290 S3: he did, uh, he did have this great appreciation for 525 00:33:58,290 --> 00:34:01,210 S3: his father, his father's love for story. He grew up 526 00:34:01,210 --> 00:34:05,610 S3: listening to his father read. But there is no question 527 00:34:05,610 --> 00:34:09,850 S3: that one of the reasons why, uh, Lincoln had such 528 00:34:09,890 --> 00:34:14,530 S3: a very strong relationship with his stepmother is that while 529 00:34:14,530 --> 00:34:18,130 S3: his father, as you pointed out, simply wanted him to 530 00:34:18,170 --> 00:34:21,690 S3: be a menial laborer and never wanted him to, uh, 531 00:34:21,690 --> 00:34:25,730 S3: read and become and study, and if it hadn't been 532 00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:30,730 S3: for his stepmother, the Lincoln we know would never have been. So, uh, 533 00:34:30,850 --> 00:34:35,610 S3: there is no question in my mind that, uh, that 534 00:34:35,610 --> 00:34:39,089 S3: the deeper relationship was definitely with the stepmother and not 535 00:34:39,090 --> 00:34:39,930 S3: with the father. 536 00:34:40,890 --> 00:34:44,009 S1: Mm. Very interesting. And I thank you, Mary, very much 537 00:34:44,010 --> 00:34:49,370 S1: for being with us. 1-877-548-3675. May I drive you also 538 00:34:49,370 --> 00:34:52,210 S1: to our website? That's in the market with Janet Parshall 539 00:34:52,969 --> 00:34:56,180 S1: in the market with Janet Parshall. And you'll find two 540 00:34:56,180 --> 00:34:58,660 S1: things there for Doctor Wheeler on the right hand side, 541 00:34:58,700 --> 00:35:01,820 S1: by the way, it's a physically beautiful book. The cover 542 00:35:01,820 --> 00:35:05,340 S1: just compels you to learn more. Shoes kicked off Lincoln 543 00:35:05,340 --> 00:35:08,380 S1: sitting back, reading himself in a relaxed pose. But the 544 00:35:08,380 --> 00:35:11,740 S1: book Abraham Lincoln is Civil War stories, heartwarming, true stories 545 00:35:11,739 --> 00:35:13,819 S1: about our most beloved president right there on the right 546 00:35:13,820 --> 00:35:16,500 S1: hand side. But you can also click on through and 547 00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:19,060 S1: visit Doctor Wheeler's website, and there's much to explore there. 548 00:35:19,060 --> 00:35:20,900 S1: Let me take a break. When we come back, how 549 00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:23,460 S1: about one more story from the book read by Doctor Wheeler? 550 00:36:09,950 --> 00:36:12,029 S10: Mr. Hayes. Is it true we have to get out 551 00:36:12,070 --> 00:36:15,750 S10: of Washington? Very serious, madam. For heaven's sakes, what sort 552 00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:17,910 S10: of an army have we anyhow? We did the best 553 00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:20,630 S10: they could, Mrs. Lincoln. They might have pitied us. It'll 554 00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:23,910 S10: forever to get those trunks packed. I'm sorry, madam, for 555 00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:28,630 S10: all of us. Well, Miss Lincoln, I hear we're leaving. 556 00:36:29,469 --> 00:36:32,670 S10: Just a moment, Mary, please. Well, after all the trouble 557 00:36:32,670 --> 00:36:35,589 S10: we had getting here, I must say we had a 558 00:36:35,590 --> 00:36:41,790 S10: very short stay. Mary, I've hung up my hat right 559 00:36:41,790 --> 00:36:44,270 S10: here and here. It stays till they knock it off 560 00:36:44,270 --> 00:36:50,200 S10: with a bayonet. From now on, May, I'm going to 561 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:51,120 S10: run this war. 562 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,359 S1: That movie goes all the way back to 1930, and 563 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,520 S1: that time the role of Abraham Lincoln was played by 564 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,799 S1: Walter Huston. We have had such a fascination with America's 565 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,399 S1: 16th president, and I'm delighted that Doctor Joe Wheeler has 566 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,239 S1: compiled just some unbelievable stories about Abraham Lincoln, put them 567 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,279 S1: all together in a marvelous book. He's contributed, by the way, 568 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,640 S1: as well, not just editor, but his author. And he's 569 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,040 S1: going to read another story. And because I have just 570 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,720 S1: a little more time this time, Joe. Would you tell 571 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,360 S1: us who Lewis B Reynolds is if you know anything 572 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,279 S1: about him? And the name of the story is called 573 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,440 S1: The Heart of Lincoln and why this one was included. 574 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,799 S3: You know, I've come across, from time to time a 575 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,600 S3: references to Lewis B Reynolds, but I really don't know 576 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,319 S3: much about him personally, but I think he certainly is 577 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,960 S3: a reputable from everything I've ever come across this story. 578 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,120 S3: You know, it's a very short one, but it is 579 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:54,200 S3: so typical of Lincoln stories. So many of the stories 580 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,000 S3: have to do with his comforting and his kindness to Confederates. 581 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,239 S3: Not just Union soldiers, but this one has to do 582 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,160 S3: with a Union soldier. It's hard to envision any other 583 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,880 S3: president in American history responding, as Lincoln did during just 584 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,759 S3: one of the many, many visits he made to hospitals 585 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:18,720 S3: during the war. The irony of life was never more 586 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,720 S3: strikingly illustrated than when the conduct of the bloodiest war 587 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,880 S3: in history fell into the hands of one who, perhaps 588 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:31,560 S3: more than any other man in history, shrank from the 589 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:37,120 S3: thought of human suffering. Of all the characteristics of Abraham Lincoln, 590 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:43,360 S3: encompassing tenderness coupled with his own melancholy, has most endeared 591 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,089 S3: him to the hearts of the human race. The Great 592 00:38:47,090 --> 00:38:51,970 S3: Gentle Giant, wrote one of his biographers, had a feeling 593 00:38:52,010 --> 00:38:57,530 S3: of sympathy for every living creature. He was not ashamed 594 00:38:57,530 --> 00:39:01,130 S3: to rock her cradle, or to carry a pail of water, 595 00:39:01,530 --> 00:39:06,049 S3: or an armful of wood, to spare a tired woman's arms. 596 00:39:07,290 --> 00:39:12,130 S3: A day in May 1863 found him visiting a camp hospital. 597 00:39:12,810 --> 00:39:16,210 S3: He had spoken cheering words of sympathy to the wounded 598 00:39:16,450 --> 00:39:20,969 S3: as he proceeded through the various wards. Presently he was 599 00:39:20,969 --> 00:39:24,330 S3: at the bedside of a Vermont boy of about 16 600 00:39:24,330 --> 00:39:30,570 S3: years of age, who lay mortally wounded. Taking the dying 601 00:39:30,610 --> 00:39:35,050 S3: boy's thin, bleached hands in his own, the president said 602 00:39:35,090 --> 00:39:39,290 S3: in a tender tone. Well, my boy, what can I 603 00:39:39,290 --> 00:39:43,810 S3: do for you? The young soldier looked up into the 604 00:39:43,810 --> 00:39:48,220 S3: to the president's kindly face and asked, won't you write 605 00:39:48,219 --> 00:39:53,060 S3: to my mother for me? That I will respond to 606 00:39:53,060 --> 00:39:58,340 S3: the president and calling for writing materials. He seated himself 607 00:39:58,340 --> 00:40:01,060 S3: by the side of the cot and wrote from the 608 00:40:01,060 --> 00:40:05,700 S3: boy's dictation. It was a long letter, but he betrayed 609 00:40:05,700 --> 00:40:10,739 S3: no sign of weariness. And when it was finished he arose, saying, 610 00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:13,340 S3: I will post this as soon as I get back 611 00:40:13,340 --> 00:40:18,219 S3: to my office. Now, is there anything else that I 612 00:40:18,219 --> 00:40:22,580 S3: can do for you? The boy looked up appealingly to 613 00:40:22,620 --> 00:40:28,300 S3: the president. Won't you stay with me? I do want 614 00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:33,020 S3: to hold on to your hand. Mr. Lincoln at once 615 00:40:33,020 --> 00:40:37,180 S3: perceived the lad's meaning. The appeal was too strong for 616 00:40:37,180 --> 00:40:41,060 S3: him to resist, so he sat down by his side 617 00:40:41,580 --> 00:40:46,270 S3: and took hold of his thin hand. For two hours 618 00:40:46,510 --> 00:40:50,830 S3: the president sat there patiently, as though he had been. 619 00:40:51,230 --> 00:40:57,190 S3: The boy's father. When the end came, he bent over 620 00:40:57,870 --> 00:41:01,950 S3: and folded the pale hands over the young soldiers breast, 621 00:41:03,150 --> 00:41:06,629 S3: and left the hospital in tears. 622 00:41:09,390 --> 00:41:11,750 S1: What a story! And I'm so glad I asked you 623 00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:16,150 S1: about Louis B Reynolds before you read the story, because 624 00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:18,870 S1: you shared with us that you felt that his writing 625 00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:23,270 S1: was authentic, and that there's probably some true reality to 626 00:41:23,310 --> 00:41:25,790 S1: the story that you just read. But there are multiple 627 00:41:25,790 --> 00:41:28,270 S1: sources that cite that Lincoln would visit the wounded in 628 00:41:28,270 --> 00:41:31,870 S1: the hospitals, as would Mary Todd Lincoln on a regular basis. 629 00:41:31,870 --> 00:41:34,710 S1: They availed themselves much of the wounded, did they not? 630 00:41:34,750 --> 00:41:39,230 S3: That is true. And it was, uh, Mary Todd, much 631 00:41:39,230 --> 00:41:41,040 S3: more than she's given credit for? 632 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,480 S1: Yes. And I'm thinking, too, if you look at their timeline. 633 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,480 S1: Joe May of 1863, they had already lost a child 634 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,879 S1: by this point. So if he wanted to avoid what 635 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,719 S1: he knew was the impending death of this young soldier, 636 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,120 S1: he could have left the hospital, said that the dictates 637 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,120 S1: of his office made him go somewhere else. But he 638 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,200 S1: gave two hours off the clock of just sitting there 639 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,200 S1: as this young boy slipped into eternity. That's pretty amazing. 640 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,440 S3: You know, Janet, your your thoughts as they are meandering 641 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:16,680 S3: with mine today. They bring me to a conclusion that 642 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,960 S3: I have reached over the years of my life, and 643 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:26,640 S3: that is that if there is one essential quality that 644 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,359 S3: is more important than all others in this road we 645 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:39,210 S3: call life, it is kindness. And Lincoln is. On the 646 00:42:39,210 --> 00:42:42,450 S3: basis of all the years I've studied him. He is 647 00:42:42,450 --> 00:42:46,009 S3: the kindest president America has ever known. 648 00:42:47,530 --> 00:42:52,810 S1: Yeah. I so appreciate that observation, Joe, because kindness in 649 00:42:52,810 --> 00:42:55,610 S1: some quarters of our culture now is deemed to be passé. 650 00:42:55,650 --> 00:42:59,250 S1: But also, I was thinking, just as history records again, 651 00:42:59,290 --> 00:43:03,370 S1: what happened? It was the most unkindest of acts to 652 00:43:03,410 --> 00:43:06,450 S1: have his life ended the way, the brutal way in 653 00:43:06,450 --> 00:43:09,649 S1: which it did. And it's 180 degree opposites of that 654 00:43:09,650 --> 00:43:12,890 S1: primary characteristic that defined who Abraham Lincoln was. It's all 655 00:43:12,890 --> 00:43:14,490 S1: the more paradoxical, is it not? 656 00:43:15,250 --> 00:43:18,130 S3: But as you may remember, in one of my, uh, 657 00:43:19,250 --> 00:43:22,610 S3: my my last, uh, intro there, as we got into 658 00:43:22,610 --> 00:43:26,850 S3: the last section, I stated that, you know, there, in 659 00:43:26,850 --> 00:43:32,650 S3: order to become a worldwide myth, as Lincoln has, and 660 00:43:32,650 --> 00:43:36,980 S3: more than all the rest of the U.S. presidents put together. uh. 661 00:43:37,460 --> 00:43:41,100 S3: A myth is something that has to have certain things 662 00:43:41,100 --> 00:43:44,259 S3: happen in order for it to occur. And one of 663 00:43:44,260 --> 00:43:47,900 S3: them is that the hero has to die comparatively young 664 00:43:49,060 --> 00:43:51,939 S3: rather than when he or she is old. And that 665 00:43:51,940 --> 00:43:52,980 S3: happened to Lincoln. 666 00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:57,540 S1: Absolutely. Joe. The book. It's difficult, I'll be honest with you. 667 00:43:57,540 --> 00:44:00,860 S1: It's difficult to take these treasures. That's what these stories are. 668 00:44:01,219 --> 00:44:04,420 S1: And without just sitting down and reading story upon, story 669 00:44:04,420 --> 00:44:06,500 S1: upon story, it's difficult to try to convey to our 670 00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:09,739 S1: friends joining us today all that's in this book. But 671 00:44:09,739 --> 00:44:11,859 S1: I'm so grateful that Joe read a couple, just to 672 00:44:11,860 --> 00:44:14,779 S1: give you a sampling of how revealing they were of 673 00:44:14,780 --> 00:44:17,500 S1: the character of Abraham Lincoln. The book, again, is called 674 00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:22,100 S1: Abraham Lincoln Civil War Stories, heartwarming stories about our most 675 00:44:22,100 --> 00:44:25,020 S1: beloved president that, in the end, serve as marvelous character 676 00:44:25,020 --> 00:44:27,339 S1: lessons for us all. Thank you friends. We'll see you 677 00:44:27,340 --> 00:44:27,900 S1: next time.