WEBVTT - Hour 2: God is Working Among Jewish People 0:00:08.570 --> 0:00:11.780 Hello friends. It's time for the second hour of Open 0:00:11.780 --> 0:00:14.870 Line with Doctor Michael Ray Dolnick. This is Moody Radio's 0:00:14.870 --> 0:00:18.980 Bible study across America. Normally we talk about your questions 0:00:18.980 --> 0:00:21.650 about the Bible, God, and the spiritual life, but this 0:00:21.650 --> 0:00:25.310 is a special edition of Open Line. It's a pre-recorded one. 0:00:25.310 --> 0:00:29.900 We are here at the summit on Opposing anti-Semitism at 0:00:29.900 --> 0:00:34.280 the campus of Moody Bible Institute. And because of that, 0:00:34.310 --> 0:00:38.809 we had to pre-record. So don't call with your question today. Today, 0:00:38.810 --> 0:00:40.339 if you have a question, what you can do is 0:00:40.340 --> 0:00:43.790 go to our website, Open Line radio.org. You'll see a 0:00:43.790 --> 0:00:48.260 link that says Ask Michael a question. 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A lot of people 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:35.460 who listen to Open Line know Doctor Washington, because William 0:01:35.459 --> 0:01:38.910 and I were good friends. And he's always asking people, 0:01:38.940 --> 0:01:43.200 are you a kitchen table partner? Amen. He's the dean 0:01:43.230 --> 0:01:45.780 of enrollment and the dean of student life at Moody 0:01:45.810 --> 0:01:48.840 Bible Institute. And my good friend, I'm so glad you're 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:49.740 here with me. 0:01:49.770 --> 0:01:51.000 Great to be here today. 0:01:51.030 --> 0:01:55.980 Yeah. And so you have a special role in the summit. 0:01:56.010 --> 0:01:58.830 Your role will be to be the emcee kind of 0:01:58.860 --> 0:02:01.410 make everything go. And I guess you'll be giving me 0:02:01.410 --> 0:02:04.080 the signal when I'm talking too long. Is that the plan? 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:07.140 I think that's one of the rules of engagement that 0:02:07.140 --> 0:02:09.480 will be participating in together. 0:02:10.290 --> 0:02:14.250 So now, uh, I'll mention a couple of other guests 0:02:14.250 --> 0:02:20.250 that we have, uh, Rachel from Tel Aviv, from actually Givatayim. Right? Yes. Uh, 0:02:20.250 --> 0:02:23.790 Rachel is here. She's a moody graduate. From what year? 0:02:23.820 --> 0:02:28.380 Oh, I graduated in 2002. Wow. I know time flies. 0:02:28.410 --> 0:02:32.820 It's amazing. So Rachel was my student in Jewish studies. 0:02:32.820 --> 0:02:36.930 I've known her and her family forever, uh, and, uh, 0:02:36.930 --> 0:02:40.980 for her whole life, actually. And I'm. I'm so grateful 0:02:40.980 --> 0:02:44.790 that she came to Moody and, uh, and now is 0:02:44.790 --> 0:02:47.220 living in Israel. And we're going to talk about that 0:02:47.220 --> 0:02:50.369 in just a bit. Okay. And then also joining us 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:53.850 at this hour is a current student at Moody Bible Institute. 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:57.460 His name is Michael. So Michael, I'm so glad that 0:02:57.460 --> 0:03:02.139 you're here with us. Uh, hello? Uh, I'm. I'm very 0:03:02.139 --> 0:03:07.240 happy you're in your second year at Moody. I am, yeah. And, uh, 0:03:07.300 --> 0:03:08.440 what's your major? 0:03:09.100 --> 0:03:11.560 What can it be besides Jewish studies? That's right. 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:12.760 And where are you from in Israel? 0:03:12.790 --> 0:03:13.930 I'm from Netanya. 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:15.970 Netanya, which is just north of Tel Aviv. 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:18.309 Yeah, just like half an hour north. Yeah. 0:03:18.310 --> 0:03:22.300 So it's part of the Tel Aviv metropolitan area that 0:03:22.330 --> 0:03:26.560 is in the center of Israel. Now, do you speak French? 0:03:27.370 --> 0:03:28.389 Thankfully, no. 0:03:28.419 --> 0:03:31.090 Oh, well, because in Netanya I felt like when I 0:03:31.090 --> 0:03:35.530 was there, everyone was a French, uh, a Jewish person 0:03:35.530 --> 0:03:37.840 from France who had moved to Israel. Is that what 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:39.400 you found to be the case, too? 0:03:39.610 --> 0:03:42.670 It is the case. But I do speak Russian. And 0:03:42.670 --> 0:03:45.100 there's also a big, big Russian Russian population there. 0:03:45.130 --> 0:03:46.180 Yeah, Russian Jewish population. 0:03:46.210 --> 0:03:47.230 I fall into that group. 0:03:47.260 --> 0:03:50.620 That's right. Okay, good. Well, we're going to have a 0:03:50.620 --> 0:03:53.740 little conversation here. I'm so glad that you're here, but 0:03:53.740 --> 0:03:59.240 I wanted to start with with you, William. Uh, now, 0:03:59.330 --> 0:04:02.630 you wouldn't expect. I wouldn't have expected when I came 0:04:02.630 --> 0:04:04.790 to Moody, that I would find this person who cared 0:04:04.790 --> 0:04:08.150 so deeply about Israel and the Jewish people. Where did 0:04:08.150 --> 0:04:09.140 that come from? 0:04:09.410 --> 0:04:14.210 Well, if truth be told, I was introduced to Jewish 0:04:14.210 --> 0:04:19.219 people through the medium that my grandparents provided for me 0:04:19.220 --> 0:04:22.820 by a show called Sanford and Son. 0:04:22.850 --> 0:04:24.080 Oh, really? Oh, funny. 0:04:24.110 --> 0:04:28.490 Sanford and Son. And so, I don't know if our 0:04:28.490 --> 0:04:33.710 listeners will remember, uh, Fred G. Sanford, who maintained a 0:04:33.740 --> 0:04:40.730 junkyard in South Central Los Angeles. But throughout those episodes, 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:46.880 Jewish people, Jewish heritage would show up consistently. And then 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:51.469 I would ask my grandparents about it, and my grandparents 0:04:51.470 --> 0:04:56.810 had a high view of Jewish people. They would tell me, son, 0:04:56.839 --> 0:05:01.310 Jewish people have a lot in common with African Americans. 0:05:01.310 --> 0:05:07.219 They've had to face some difficult, adverse times in their history. 0:05:07.550 --> 0:05:12.260 And we have a high level of love and respect 0:05:12.260 --> 0:05:16.520 for them. They were slaves. We were slaves, and we 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:21.320 all recognize the importance of sticking together. Wow. And so 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:27.200 my grandparents even had Jewish friends in their community back 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:30.170 in the day. Wow. And then from there, well, you. 0:05:30.170 --> 0:05:32.510 Know, I just think it's so interesting because Fred Sanford 0:05:32.510 --> 0:05:34.790 was played by Redd Foxx, who was, you know, kind 0:05:34.790 --> 0:05:39.080 of a well-known comedian. But I think they had that 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:42.500 little Jewish element on that show because he had worked 0:05:42.500 --> 0:05:45.860 with so many Jewish comedians, and that was his connection 0:05:45.860 --> 0:05:47.720 to them. And he brought them on his show and 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:50.690 had all those discussions with them. Don't you think that's 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:52.640 the source of that on the program? 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.980 Oh, absolutely. And, you know, blacks and Jews had a 0:05:55.980 --> 0:06:00.120 unique relationship during that time because there were things prohibiting 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:05.219 blacks and Jews from participating in some of the mediums 0:06:05.220 --> 0:06:08.099 of the day. And so they came together to do 0:06:08.100 --> 0:06:12.630 some great things. And my grandparents realized that, and they 0:06:12.630 --> 0:06:15.120 taught me at an early age, they even talked about 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:18.060 Sammy Davis Jr. Of course, you know, and said, hey, 0:06:18.060 --> 0:06:21.000 that's Sammy. And guess what? He's Jewish too. 0:06:21.029 --> 0:06:23.580 Yeah, he converted to Judaism. He was. And he was 0:06:23.580 --> 0:06:26.609 the consummate entertainer. So then you were going to say 0:06:26.610 --> 0:06:28.529 there was something else that had an effect as you 0:06:28.529 --> 0:06:29.130 grew older? 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.880 Oh, yeah. So my last two years of high school 0:06:32.910 --> 0:06:35.760 were in Highland Park, Illinois. So I went to Highland 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:41.520 Park High School, which is a predominantly Jewish community, and 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:46.530 I made friends there. I visited friends during their bar mitzvahs. 0:06:46.529 --> 0:06:49.710 I had an opportunity to eat in their homes. And 0:06:49.710 --> 0:06:53.200 one of the things I loved about being in that environment. Hey, 0:06:53.230 --> 0:06:56.169 not only did we have the Christmas holidays, but we 0:06:56.170 --> 0:07:00.580 also got school off for the Jewish holidays. And so 0:07:00.580 --> 0:07:03.370 it was it was a great experience for me. It 0:07:03.370 --> 0:07:07.180 brought me back to what my grandparents taught me in 0:07:07.180 --> 0:07:11.440 terms of respecting people and loving and making great relationships. 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:14.740 And that's what happened during my high school years. And 0:07:14.740 --> 0:07:16.840 then to top it all off, put the cherry on 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:20.710 the top. I've had the privilege to go to Israel twice, 0:07:20.710 --> 0:07:25.840 and both of those just really reshaped my life, my mindset, 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:29.020 and just put me in a touch more with my 0:07:29.020 --> 0:07:31.810 Jewish brothers and sisters. And that's why it's so important 0:07:31.810 --> 0:07:35.380 for us to stand with them during this time. Wow. 0:07:35.380 --> 0:07:38.650 Thank you. Wow. That's that's. I never would have thought 0:07:38.650 --> 0:07:41.530 that Sanford and Son would have that kind of impact. 0:07:41.530 --> 0:07:46.990 That's phenomenal. So that's great. Uh, now, uh, Doctor Washington 0:07:46.990 --> 0:07:53.770 mentioned mentioned Israel. Rachel. you you were in Israel. Uh, 0:07:53.770 --> 0:07:58.300 you live there? Uh, you're not originally from Israel. When 0:07:58.300 --> 0:07:59.110 did you move? 0:07:59.140 --> 0:08:03.280 I moved about 15 years ago. And it's definitely home. 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:05.830 It's the right choice for me. I'm happy I did it. 0:08:05.860 --> 0:08:07.990 Yeah. I remember when you were a student. You were. 0:08:08.020 --> 0:08:10.900 You were really focused. I'm going to move to Israel. And. 0:08:10.900 --> 0:08:13.810 And then you did. I lived in New York for 0:08:13.810 --> 0:08:16.300 a while and then moved off to Israel. So. And 0:08:16.300 --> 0:08:16.540 you could. 0:08:16.540 --> 0:08:19.360 Decide which one's better. New York, Israel, they're both, you know. Yeah. 0:08:19.390 --> 0:08:21.369 When people ask me where I'm from, I always say 0:08:21.370 --> 0:08:25.990 I'm from the Holy Land, Brooklyn. But, uh, the the 0:08:25.990 --> 0:08:29.710 thing is, Israel is is a little bit different now than, 0:08:29.740 --> 0:08:32.560 than even New York in terms of the Jewish community. 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.860 There's a lot of anti-Semitism exploding in New York City 0:08:35.860 --> 0:08:39.550 right now, which doesn't seem possible. It's considered one of 0:08:39.550 --> 0:08:41.650 the greatest Jewish cities in the world, if not the 0:08:41.650 --> 0:08:44.559 greatest Jewish city outside of Israel. And yet there's a 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:47.260 lot of anti-Semitism. But I wanted to hear from you. 0:08:47.290 --> 0:08:49.850 What was it like? You know, we we've been reading 0:08:49.850 --> 0:08:52.520 the news reports. We know all that happened on ten 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:54.650 over 723. But you were in Israel at the time, 0:08:54.650 --> 0:08:55.219 were you not? 0:08:55.250 --> 0:08:56.059 I was, yes. 0:08:56.090 --> 0:08:57.410 Tell me about that day. 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:02.570 It was an early morning Shabbat when suddenly the sirens 0:09:02.570 --> 0:09:06.080 started to go off. Quiet morning. It was a holiday. 0:09:06.350 --> 0:09:09.410 A very sacred holiday. It was Simchat Torah, which is 0:09:09.410 --> 0:09:11.990 the day when you celebrate the giving of the Torah. 0:09:11.990 --> 0:09:13.550 And it was the end of. 0:09:13.580 --> 0:09:15.199 The completion of the reading cycle. 0:09:15.230 --> 0:09:18.320 Yeah, we started over again. Genesis. It was the end 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:20.660 of the High Holidays. The children were supposed to go 0:09:20.660 --> 0:09:23.540 to school the next day. They had just had holidays, 0:09:23.540 --> 0:09:26.990 and suddenly the whole country wakes up to a start 0:09:26.990 --> 0:09:29.840 to the sound of these horrendous noises in your head 0:09:29.870 --> 0:09:33.170 of move fast, go to the shelters. And everyone went 0:09:33.170 --> 0:09:37.280 and everyone's confused, what, 630 in the morning? There's sirens. 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:40.220 And it didn't stop. It happened all day long. Wow. 0:09:40.250 --> 0:09:43.940 And this was all over the south of Israel, as 0:09:43.940 --> 0:09:45.980 well as going up into the center of the country. 0:09:46.100 --> 0:09:50.190 These are long range rockets, and the news didn't quite 0:09:50.190 --> 0:09:52.140 keep up. Yet it was the Sabbath. You don't really 0:09:52.140 --> 0:09:54.960 work on the Sabbath, but suddenly everyone's called up and 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:59.490 trying to respond. Newscasters, ambulances, police. What's going on? It 0:09:59.490 --> 0:10:01.710 was just an utter state of confusion. Um. 0:10:02.010 --> 0:10:04.560 And when did you hear about the massacre in the South? 0:10:04.590 --> 0:10:10.770 I there was rumors through social media, through WhatsApp, but 0:10:10.770 --> 0:10:13.589 it wasn't really being talked about on the news yet. 0:10:13.890 --> 0:10:18.210 And remember, two people who are very religious will not 0:10:18.210 --> 0:10:20.489 be turning on the television that day or looking at 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:24.900 their phones. It was a lack of communication. 0:10:24.900 --> 0:10:25.679 Partially. It was very. 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:28.950 Difficult. Yeah. So really only until the end of the 0:10:28.950 --> 0:10:31.740 Sabbath on that Saturday night as well as into Sunday, 0:10:31.770 --> 0:10:35.430 did people start to realize the extent that this was 0:10:36.300 --> 0:10:37.980 it was not just an incursion. 0:10:38.309 --> 0:10:41.280 Yeah. That the, the very usually you think, oh, it's 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:43.589 a little terrorist incursion. It may have done the little 0:10:43.590 --> 0:10:45.780 thing that this was a full scale attack. 0:10:45.809 --> 0:10:49.770 Coordinated in multiple places. Yeah, it was unheard of. It 0:10:49.770 --> 0:10:51.660 was utterly surprising. Yeah. 0:10:51.690 --> 0:10:58.679 And air with those paragliders, paragliders and sea from the 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:05.550 Mediterranean and land and trucks. Uh, just horrific. Uh, if 0:11:05.550 --> 0:11:09.270 anyone doesn't know, more than 1200 people murdered that day 0:11:09.270 --> 0:11:12.989 by Hamas terrorists as they surged across first, I heard 0:11:12.990 --> 0:11:18.900 there were 3000, uh, today, uh, recently I've, I've heard 0:11:18.900 --> 0:11:21.480 some estimates that say, well, maybe we were wrong. Maybe 0:11:21.510 --> 0:11:25.770 it was up to 6000 terrorists that that broke through 0:11:25.770 --> 0:11:32.850 and captured 251 people, murdered over 1200, uh, and maimed 0:11:32.850 --> 0:11:35.760 many more. Uh, it was a horrific day, one of 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:38.939 the worst days in Jewish history. The worst day, certainly 0:11:38.940 --> 0:11:43.530 since the Holocaust. And, uh, Israel, of course, responded. And 0:11:43.530 --> 0:11:45.610 we we've seen this war for the last year. We're 0:11:45.610 --> 0:11:47.980 going to talk to Michael about what it means to 0:11:48.010 --> 0:11:52.090 go to war about this thing. But it's part of 0:11:52.090 --> 0:11:56.860 the reason we are holding the summit for opposing anti-Semitism, 0:11:56.860 --> 0:11:59.470 because what has happened is instead of sympathy for the 0:11:59.470 --> 0:12:05.650 Jewish people, what has broken out is full scale anti-Semitism 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:09.309 against Israel and against Jewish people in the diaspora. It 0:12:09.309 --> 0:12:12.970 is it's terrible. And but there is still hope, because 0:12:12.970 --> 0:12:15.790 there's hope in what the Lord is going to do 0:12:15.820 --> 0:12:18.489 through this. So we're going to come back in a 0:12:18.490 --> 0:12:21.850 moment with my guests as we talk about the summit 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:25.120 opposing anti-Semitism and what we can do. This is Michael 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:30.880 Ray Dolnick. You're listening to Open Line. 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It is a pre-recorded special event because at 0:13:55.130 --> 0:13:59.840 Moody Bible Institute we are hosting the summit on opposing anti-Semitism. 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:03.199 It is happening right now while you're listening, but we 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:06.800 pre-recorded this edition of Open Line. I have some special 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:09.800 guests who are participating. Doctor William Washington is here with me, 0:14:09.830 --> 0:14:13.670 Rachel from the Tel Aviv area, and Michael, also from 0:14:13.670 --> 0:14:16.610 the Tel Aviv area. Rachel, a graduate of Moody Bible Institute, 0:14:16.610 --> 0:14:21.170 and Michael, a current student at Moody Bible Institute. Now, 0:14:21.170 --> 0:14:26.540 what we've talked about so far is William Washington's passion 0:14:26.540 --> 0:14:30.140 for Jewish people. And really what you said the cherry 0:14:30.170 --> 0:14:33.800 on top was going to Israel and meeting people twice. Yeah. 0:14:33.830 --> 0:14:36.950 And then, of course, Rachel, you've lived there for now, 0:14:36.950 --> 0:14:40.040 15 years. Of course. You visited many times before that, 0:14:40.050 --> 0:14:44.190 But then you talked about some of the horror of 0:14:44.190 --> 0:14:46.680 what happened on that day. More than a little bit 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.830 more than a year ago, on ten over 723, with 0:14:49.830 --> 0:14:55.710 the attack by Hamas, that brutal attack with the the violence, 0:14:55.710 --> 0:15:01.350 that sexual violence and, uh, just the, the the brutality 0:15:01.350 --> 0:15:04.140 of shooting children in front of their parents. Parents in 0:15:04.140 --> 0:15:08.070 front of their children. And beyond belief. What? What was done? 0:15:08.070 --> 0:15:11.460 And now, Michael, you were a student at Moody. You 0:15:11.460 --> 0:15:14.220 were in your first semester when that happened, right? 0:15:14.250 --> 0:15:19.650 I was yeah, I just arrived in the States from Israel, 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:23.040 settled in, and then boom. Yeah. 0:15:23.070 --> 0:15:25.380 And so what happened for you? 0:15:25.470 --> 0:15:30.990 For me, I remember we came back from, uh, Friday 0:15:30.990 --> 0:15:35.070 night dinner. It's a Jewish tradition to hold Friday night dinners, 0:15:35.070 --> 0:15:39.300 receive the Sabbath. Yeah. We came back with friends from 0:15:39.300 --> 0:15:44.010 the dinner. And I remember sitting in one of our 0:15:44.010 --> 0:15:47.160 common areas here at Moody. I remember sitting I opened 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:53.010 my phone and I see rockets, like notifications about rockets. 0:15:53.010 --> 0:15:55.230 And I was thinking to myself, ah, this is this 0:15:55.230 --> 0:15:59.220 is usual. We're used to this. This is fine. Nothing's happening. 0:16:00.300 --> 0:16:03.450 It's going to be over very soon. But then I 0:16:03.450 --> 0:16:08.400 remember very, very clearly seeing this, this one video of 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:13.410 a woman taking a video throughout through her curtains because 0:16:13.410 --> 0:16:15.810 she doesn't want to be seen. And on the street 0:16:15.810 --> 0:16:20.220 in one of the cities in the south, um, there's 0:16:20.250 --> 0:16:26.100 a Toyota pickup truck unloading like seven terrorists with AK 0:16:26.130 --> 0:16:31.740 47 seconds and, uh, bulletproof vests and but dressed not 0:16:31.740 --> 0:16:36.570 like Israeli military, but clearly somebody who's here to harm you. 0:16:36.810 --> 0:16:39.310 And they just got off the the truck and just 0:16:39.310 --> 0:16:42.940 went to the different houses and started shooting. Wow. And 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:47.020 that memory is just stuck with me. Wow. From from then. 0:16:47.020 --> 0:16:51.310 So obviously you were here at Moody. What could you do? 0:16:51.340 --> 0:16:54.790 There's nothing you could do. So, uh, just a few 0:16:54.790 --> 0:16:57.880 weeks later, you were called up to the military? 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:04.060 Yes, I was called up immediately. Immediately with everybody. Um, 0:17:04.060 --> 0:17:07.090 but I thought, oh, it's not that serious. In the beginning, 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.520 we just did not, as Rachel said, we just did 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.640 not know what was happening. And then when I realized 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:17.350 the the the scale, the scope of this tragedy of 0:17:17.350 --> 0:17:23.169 this event. Yeah. I decided that I'm leaving my studies 0:17:23.170 --> 0:17:27.520 and just going back home to serve with my unit. 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:31.359 I'm a tank commander in my military profession. Um, so 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:34.030 I did that, and I fought for three months. Um, 0:17:34.030 --> 0:17:35.260 in the Gaza Strip. 0:17:35.290 --> 0:17:38.390 So, I mean, obviously we saw a lot of video 0:17:38.390 --> 0:17:46.100 on CNN and different, uh, TV stations, uh, cable stations. Uh, 0:17:46.730 --> 0:17:54.590 so what was it like? Uh, I mean, I the 0:17:54.590 --> 0:17:57.770 imagery that that the way the media portrayed it is 0:17:57.890 --> 0:18:01.760 as if Israel were was the Israeli Israel Defense Forces 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.760 was somehow looking for civilians to hurt them. What was 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:07.130 your experience in Gaza? 0:18:08.780 --> 0:18:11.090 The first thing that comes to mind is that it 0:18:11.090 --> 0:18:16.310 was very boring. It's very not exciting. But to answer 0:18:16.310 --> 0:18:20.360 your question, I think the main thing is that what 0:18:20.390 --> 0:18:22.970 speaks to it the strongest is that I did not 0:18:22.970 --> 0:18:27.979 see with my eyes any civilians at all who were 0:18:27.980 --> 0:18:30.740 fighting in the north of the Gaza Strip. We were 0:18:30.740 --> 0:18:34.010 going on like routine patrols and like on attacks on 0:18:34.010 --> 0:18:37.880 Some neighborhoods there to make sure that there's no terrorists 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:41.060 there and to clear it out. It's a war in 0:18:41.060 --> 0:18:44.660 the end, and I did not see any civilians. 0:18:44.690 --> 0:18:48.230 That's because Israel had given maps and directions to tell 0:18:48.230 --> 0:18:49.970 the civilians to get out. Right. 0:18:49.970 --> 0:18:55.550 Every time before an attack, in an unprecedented way that 0:18:55.550 --> 0:19:00.950 no other army in the world does. Israel warns all 0:19:00.980 --> 0:19:05.000 of the civilians in a certain area to evacuate, to leave. 0:19:05.030 --> 0:19:10.340 They it's even more than that because Israel gives them 0:19:10.340 --> 0:19:12.770 directions where to go and where it is going to 0:19:12.770 --> 0:19:17.450 be safe, letting them escape, but also risking terrorists escaping 0:19:17.450 --> 0:19:17.810 with them. 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:23.780 So you know that what you said. My son served 0:19:23.780 --> 0:19:26.660 in the IDF. Not not in a war zone, but 0:19:26.660 --> 0:19:30.320 he was in a combat unit, and he had to 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:32.419 do patrols back when the there were a lot of 0:19:32.550 --> 0:19:40.320 Incursions from the the. When the Muslim Brotherhood was controlling Egypt, 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:43.080 there were a lot of terrorist incursions where he was stationed, 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:46.530 and there was a lot of patrols. And he I 0:19:46.530 --> 0:19:49.020 asked him what it was like. He said it was boring. 0:19:49.770 --> 0:19:52.860 Yeah. That's just the reality of being a soldier. Yeah. 0:19:52.890 --> 0:19:55.020 Nothing happens most of the time. Yeah. 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:57.120 I thought that was interesting that you said the same 0:19:57.119 --> 0:20:00.090 thing he did. It was boring. You know, just you're 0:20:00.090 --> 0:20:02.250 doing the patrol you're doing. And then every now and 0:20:02.250 --> 0:20:04.290 then he says, mostly boring. And then every now and 0:20:04.290 --> 0:20:09.000 then it becomes more than exciting. Yeah. And the other thing, 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:11.190 and I wonder if this is true with you in 0:20:11.190 --> 0:20:15.449 your experience, he says that all the training kicks in. 0:20:15.450 --> 0:20:17.850 So you just go on. You do what you're supposed 0:20:17.850 --> 0:20:22.050 to do in the situation. You don't get all hyper. 0:20:22.140 --> 0:20:24.419 You've been trained enough that you know what to do. 0:20:24.510 --> 0:20:26.730 Did you find that to be the case? 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:32.830 There's definitely an adrenaline rush. Yeah, when something happens. But Mostly, yes, 0:20:32.830 --> 0:20:36.190 I would say. I would say that is the the experience, 0:20:36.190 --> 0:20:42.400 especially as be as tank as people who operate a tank, 0:20:42.430 --> 0:20:45.670 soldiers who operate a tank. We are trained on so 0:20:45.670 --> 0:20:51.430 many routine procedures that we just kick in immediately and 0:20:51.430 --> 0:20:53.980 we just act, act according to the procedures that we've 0:20:53.980 --> 0:20:57.970 been trained, trained upon for years and years and years. 0:20:57.970 --> 0:21:03.370 That's exactly what he said. Same thing. Yeah. So, uh, well, 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:07.449 now here at Moody, we had two students. We're going 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:10.149 to talk to the second student that went off that 0:21:10.150 --> 0:21:15.850 was called up another Israeli student. Uh, but what were 0:21:15.850 --> 0:21:18.850 we doing here at Moody when students were called up? Uh, 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:24.280 I think that that I've noticed that you were very concerned. 0:21:24.609 --> 0:21:30.700 Very concerned, uh, Doctor Melnick, because, unfortunately, I've had to. 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:38.679 experience death when it invades a college community, and the 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:43.210 likelihood that these two were going to the front lines 0:21:43.210 --> 0:21:47.919 and the ramifications that would occur. Put me in a 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:51.760 mode of thinking, okay, how do we prepare the community 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:58.150 in the event something adversely happens? And so prior to 0:21:58.180 --> 0:22:04.630 both guys leaving, we had a solemn assembly time in chapel, uh, 0:22:04.630 --> 0:22:09.100 which we communicated that Michael and Sergei would be leaving. 0:22:09.100 --> 0:22:13.690 And I just remember seeing the faces of our students 0:22:13.690 --> 0:22:16.600 and the emotions that they were carrying and how. 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:18.609 Much they wanted to pray for them, how much they 0:22:18.609 --> 0:22:19.060 cared for. 0:22:19.060 --> 0:22:22.840 They prayed for them and cried and constantly sent me 0:22:22.869 --> 0:22:27.460 emails when they were away, uh, asking for updates. And, uh, 0:22:27.460 --> 0:22:30.560 while they were there, I got those two guys to 0:22:30.590 --> 0:22:34.100 do a video with Michael and Sergei standing in front 0:22:34.100 --> 0:22:38.419 of his, uh, tank and played it in chapel, and 0:22:38.420 --> 0:22:40.760 the place just went up for grabs when they saw 0:22:40.790 --> 0:22:44.720 him and recognized that they were safe. But, you know, 0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:49.669 I just admire their hearts, their bravery, their commitment to 0:22:49.700 --> 0:22:54.680 their country. And I also admire our students who really 0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:59.060 prayed for their safety and for the state of Israel 0:22:59.060 --> 0:23:05.390 and for everyone who is being affected by this, the non-combatants, um, 0:23:05.390 --> 0:23:09.320 who were being impacted by Hamas. Yeah. 0:23:09.890 --> 0:23:12.980 We prayed a lot for the civilians because we care. 0:23:13.609 --> 0:23:16.190 We believe everyone's made in the image of God, and 0:23:16.190 --> 0:23:19.189 we believe that God and I know Israel cares. They 0:23:19.190 --> 0:23:22.369 don't want civilians to suffer. And we were here at 0:23:22.369 --> 0:23:25.760 Moody not only praying for the success of Israeli soldiers, 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:29.670 but that they would successfully find Hamas and not and 0:23:29.670 --> 0:23:32.940 not and civilians wouldn't get into harm's way. We we 0:23:32.940 --> 0:23:35.699 prayed that quite a bit here at Moody. And I 0:23:35.700 --> 0:23:39.450 think that that was I think that's, uh, speaks well 0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:44.250 of our students that that's what they were concerned with. Uh, 0:23:44.369 --> 0:23:53.730 so what surprised you most, Rachel, after 1007? Uh, was 0:23:53.730 --> 0:23:56.730 it was it the eruption of anti-Semitism? Did you expect 0:23:56.730 --> 0:24:02.460 Israel to to have a sympathetic ear in society after that? 0:24:02.970 --> 0:24:05.730 That's a very good question, because you have October 7th, 0:24:05.730 --> 0:24:09.690 and we talked previously about the hardships and the, uh, 0:24:09.690 --> 0:24:13.890 the depth of worry and concern and surprise of that day. 0:24:14.609 --> 0:24:18.900 But to answer the question, October 8th was even worse 0:24:19.200 --> 0:24:22.290 because as soon as we turned to the next day, 0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:28.020 you see pockets of anti-Semitism start to erupt throughout the world. Why? 0:24:28.050 --> 0:24:32.250 Where's the support for Israel in the time of coming 0:24:32.250 --> 0:24:35.430 beside her in the midst of the massacre? And that 0:24:35.430 --> 0:24:37.560 was the opposite, I heard. 0:24:37.590 --> 0:24:41.369 I heard actually, at Harvard, the student group blamed Israel 0:24:41.369 --> 0:24:46.080 for the attack, which was shocking. A consortium of student 0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:49.890 groups did that, but mostly from the governments of the world. 0:24:49.890 --> 0:24:53.250 We heard sympathy, and I was on the radio on 0:24:53.250 --> 0:24:56.790 October uh, seventh or eighth. I don't remember when it was, 0:24:56.820 --> 0:25:01.709 but I guess it was the seventh because it was after, uh, 0:25:01.710 --> 0:25:03.629 here in the States. It was it was like the 0:25:03.630 --> 0:25:07.830 eighth in Israel, but the seventh here. And, uh, I 0:25:07.830 --> 0:25:11.850 said to some folks I was with, yeah, their sympathy. 0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:14.370 Now we hear it now, but give it a couple 0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:20.400 of weeks. And sure enough, uh, the attitudes changed as 0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:24.480 soon as Israel began to deal with the terrorist problem 0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:28.000 and to deal with to respond. Then all of a 0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:31.179 sudden Israel was at fault. 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Also, Doctor William 0:26:59.140 --> 0:27:03.129 Washington is here with me, Rachel from Israel, Michael from Israel, 0:27:03.130 --> 0:27:10.629 and Sergey, also from Israel, in a sense is here, uh, Sergey, 0:27:10.810 --> 0:27:12.460 another Moody grad. 0:27:12.490 --> 0:27:13.600 Oh, yeah. Yeah. 0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:15.670 Now that that was a little tough for you. You 0:27:15.670 --> 0:27:18.399 got called up in your next to last semester, is 0:27:18.400 --> 0:27:18.909 that right? 0:27:18.940 --> 0:27:21.430 It was my last semester. Your last semester? That's it? 0:27:21.460 --> 0:27:24.920 Yeah, yeah. So you got called up. You could have said, no, 0:27:24.920 --> 0:27:26.990 I can't come because I have to finish my last 0:27:26.990 --> 0:27:28.190 semester of school. 0:27:28.220 --> 0:27:30.679 Yes. And because I have a wife. Yeah. I said 0:27:30.859 --> 0:27:31.760 staying here. 0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:33.170 So what did you do? 0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:38.090 I couldn't say no. My heart just was broken this day. No. 0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:41.360 Michael was talking about his experience and seeing that my 0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:44.210 sister sent me videos in the first day. And when 0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:46.610 family sends you something like that. My whole family lives 0:27:46.609 --> 0:27:50.840 in Israel. Same like Michael. I couldn't stay here. This 0:27:51.350 --> 0:27:54.620 is just broke my heart. So I flew back. 0:27:54.650 --> 0:27:56.869 Yeah, you flew back. It was a little tough getting 0:27:56.869 --> 0:27:58.699 a flight. I know, to get to Israel. But you 0:27:58.700 --> 0:27:59.120 got it. 0:27:59.150 --> 0:28:00.290 Yeah, it was interesting. 0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:04.340 Yeah. And? And you served for a couple of months. 0:28:04.369 --> 0:28:07.250 So I served with chosen people there. Yes. I worked 0:28:07.250 --> 0:28:10.850 with humanitarian help as much as possible. Um, when I 0:28:10.850 --> 0:28:12.380 came to the military, it was a little bit tough 0:28:12.380 --> 0:28:16.940 to join for me. I do something different from Michael, but, yeah, 0:28:16.970 --> 0:28:19.850 I did humanitarian help. I saw him a couple of times, 0:28:19.850 --> 0:28:23.129 which was an encouragement for both of us. It was amazing. 0:28:23.850 --> 0:28:27.690 So couple people who just came to faith and nobody 0:28:27.690 --> 0:28:30.150 had a chance to disciple them. So I met with 0:28:30.150 --> 0:28:34.050 them to read the Bible, prayed together, and delivered food 0:28:34.050 --> 0:28:37.410 to families that needed it the most because they couldn't 0:28:37.410 --> 0:28:40.860 leave their home. They were in my city in Ashkelon 0:28:41.130 --> 0:28:44.310 that are just a couple of miles away from Gaza border. 0:28:44.340 --> 0:28:46.980 I grew up with this war. It's very close to 0:28:47.010 --> 0:28:51.360 my home and my heart, and I knew those families, 0:28:51.360 --> 0:28:53.220 so that was part of the help that I had 0:28:53.220 --> 0:28:55.770 to do is just help people as much as possible. 0:28:55.800 --> 0:29:01.800 So then you I know that you took extensions for 0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:03.720 your courses. We have a thing at Moody called Fifth 0:29:03.750 --> 0:29:07.290 Week Extension, and that means you have five weeks to 0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:10.950 complete your course. Uh, if you get called away, sometimes 0:29:10.950 --> 0:29:13.050 students become ill in the middle of the semester or 0:29:13.050 --> 0:29:15.630 something like that. They get the extension. You had the 0:29:15.630 --> 0:29:20.250 called away to Israel extension. And, uh, Uh, Michael said, 0:29:20.250 --> 0:29:23.190 I'm going to just start again. But you said, I'll 0:29:23.190 --> 0:29:25.920 do these extensions, and we really made you work, right 0:29:25.950 --> 0:29:26.460 to get it done. 0:29:26.490 --> 0:29:30.900 I couldn't stay longer. So yes, I did extensions, did 0:29:30.900 --> 0:29:34.500 the classes, honestly enjoyed it. You know, doing a Daniel 0:29:34.500 --> 0:29:37.110 Revelation class in the middle of the war kind of 0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:38.790 put it in perspective. 0:29:39.630 --> 0:29:42.540 Yes. That was of course, I was teaching and you 0:29:42.570 --> 0:29:44.490 were in there. So that was that was kind of 0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:48.150 fun to to hear from you after, you know, after 0:29:48.180 --> 0:29:51.000 the semester was over, you got it all done and 0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:55.380 you graduated and you got back here and you walked. Now, uh, 0:29:55.620 --> 0:29:57.810 most people I know from Israel go back to Israel 0:29:57.810 --> 0:30:01.770 almost immediately, but you're you're serving with chosen People ministries. 0:30:01.860 --> 0:30:06.060 They're the co-sponsor of the summit opposing anti-Semitism. And you're 0:30:06.060 --> 0:30:07.380 in New York City. Where do you live? 0:30:07.410 --> 0:30:11.490 Right. I live in Queens now, which is very exciting 0:30:11.490 --> 0:30:15.390 in the Jewish neighborhood. What neighborhood? In Forest Hills. 0:30:15.420 --> 0:30:18.489 I used to live right near there. Yeah, so And 0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:24.550 so you're living in New York and now New York. 0:30:24.550 --> 0:30:27.610 I know the greatest Jewish city in the world. People 0:30:27.610 --> 0:30:31.330 say you lived in New York, Rachel. Right. I did, yeah, 0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:35.470 in Queens. I remember, uh, after you graduated from Moody. 0:30:35.740 --> 0:30:38.530 I lived in Queens, then on Long Island. I grew 0:30:38.530 --> 0:30:39.160 up in Brooklyn. 0:30:39.190 --> 0:30:40.750 Wait, you said it wrong. Long island. 0:30:40.780 --> 0:30:43.180 Long island? Yeah. I can go back to my accent 0:30:43.180 --> 0:30:43.750 if I need to. 0:30:43.780 --> 0:30:44.469 We'll have some coffee. 0:30:44.500 --> 0:30:48.460 Yeah, yeah. So I was living in Long Island, and, uh. 0:30:48.460 --> 0:30:54.160 So now, uh, we're here. This is the weekend or 0:30:54.190 --> 0:30:58.120 Saturday of the summit opposing anti-Semitism I am shocked to 0:30:58.150 --> 0:31:00.850 see in the news reports all the anti-Semitism in New 0:31:00.850 --> 0:31:01.750 York City. 0:31:01.900 --> 0:31:02.950 It happens a lot. 0:31:02.980 --> 0:31:04.600 Yeah, yeah. What kind of stuff? 0:31:04.630 --> 0:31:07.840 Well, you see protests. It starts from, you know, people 0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:11.860 want to protest, wants to bring their opinion and make 0:31:11.860 --> 0:31:15.100 their voice heard. But all of a sudden that comes 0:31:15.100 --> 0:31:18.410 into a place where they don't just criticize Israel or 0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:21.800 say something against Israel. You can see glimpses of haters, 0:31:21.800 --> 0:31:25.490 Jewish people, just all of a sudden it's like sparking 0:31:25.670 --> 0:31:28.460 a little bit around the city, but then it's encouraging 0:31:28.460 --> 0:31:31.370 people for violence. And then you see people around the 0:31:31.370 --> 0:31:34.790 city throughout the week after the protest was done already 0:31:34.850 --> 0:31:38.630 throughout the week attacking other people. And there was a 0:31:38.660 --> 0:31:41.570 literally two weeks ago, a guy in Brooklyn was stabbed 0:31:41.570 --> 0:31:44.900 because he was wearing a yarmulke and going to a synagogue. 0:31:45.170 --> 0:31:47.870 And in Chicago, you know the news in my neighborhood. 0:31:47.900 --> 0:31:51.890 In your neighborhood. Right? Yeah. Well, that's very a. 0:31:51.890 --> 0:31:54.350 Shooting in case people haven't heard a shooting of a 0:31:54.350 --> 0:31:57.080 of a man going to synagogue only because he was 0:31:57.080 --> 0:31:58.880 going to synagogue. That was the only reason. 0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:02.780 Only because he's Jewish. And that's very sad. It's very 0:32:02.780 --> 0:32:05.870 scary for the Jewish people in America. Now, I think 0:32:05.870 --> 0:32:09.770 this realization of the growing anti-Semitism is sinking. 0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:11.780 You know, what it is is we thought that America 0:32:11.780 --> 0:32:14.990 is the safest place. It's where we've been the most 0:32:15.020 --> 0:32:20.360 accepted that Jewish people, you know, that we thought America 0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:23.180 meant never again when we would say never again after 0:32:23.180 --> 0:32:26.900 the Holocaust. And now it seems like ever again, ever 0:32:26.900 --> 0:32:28.520 and ever, always when. 0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:32.120 We see this in Israel, this kind of news coming 0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:36.080 out of stabbings, of protests, of hate. We're shocked that 0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:39.770 it's happening there. And in a way, many of us 0:32:39.770 --> 0:32:42.320 feel safer in Israel because we know that we're together 0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:45.080 as a community and as a nation that will protect us. 0:32:45.380 --> 0:32:49.190 And many people are scared now to travel and to 0:32:49.220 --> 0:32:53.330 openly display their Jewishness. And it's appalling that this is 0:32:53.330 --> 0:32:54.980 happening now in our time and age. 0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:58.130 As they should be concerned about traveling. What happened in 0:32:58.130 --> 0:32:59.570 in Amsterdam well. 0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:00.290 Before that was. 0:33:00.290 --> 0:33:01.610 That in Amsterdam? Is that where it was? 0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:04.040 Yes. It's just like in the last 24 hours. But 0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:06.560 before that, you know, Rachel said that that people are 0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:09.770 afraid to travel. I spoke to students in Columbia University 0:33:09.770 --> 0:33:14.150 and in NYU. They do not put their stars out anymore. 0:33:14.370 --> 0:33:17.130 They would not wear a necklace with the David star 0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:21.600 because they're afraid and they understand that. And yes, Amsterdam, 0:33:21.630 --> 0:33:25.260 there was a soccer game between the Israeli team and the, 0:33:25.290 --> 0:33:27.660 I think the Amsterdam team or somebody, their Dutch. 0:33:27.660 --> 0:33:28.290 Team, I think the. 0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:33.000 Dutch team. And then right after that there was pogrom, 0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:36.060 straight up pogrom. It was very organized. Today we know 0:33:36.060 --> 0:33:39.030 that because we can see that social media was full 0:33:39.030 --> 0:33:40.320 of those videos. 0:33:40.350 --> 0:33:41.100 Yeah, they. 0:33:41.100 --> 0:33:46.380 Brought knives and clubs and assaulted the the Jewish Israelis 0:33:46.380 --> 0:33:47.100 that were there. 0:33:47.130 --> 0:33:50.220 Yes. And the taxi drivers were participating in that. They 0:33:50.220 --> 0:33:52.800 were sending messages to each other. Hey, I'm picking up 0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:55.770 those Jewish guys, you know, which is really interesting for 0:33:55.770 --> 0:33:59.550 me because nobody from them said, we're picking up Israelis. 0:33:59.550 --> 0:34:01.230 They said, we're picking up Jews. 0:34:01.260 --> 0:34:01.980 Yeah, of course. 0:34:02.010 --> 0:34:05.490 And that's what that's what we're trying to convey to people. 0:34:05.520 --> 0:34:09.149 Like it's not about Israel anymore. It's about anti-Semitism towards 0:34:09.150 --> 0:34:09.840 Jewish people. 0:34:09.870 --> 0:34:12.870 Yeah. Now, of course, anti-Semitism, if we think about it 0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:17.860 biblically breaks God's heart. You know, it says in Isaiah 63, 0:34:17.860 --> 0:34:21.700 in all their afflictions God says, I was afflicted. He 0:34:21.700 --> 0:34:26.410 was afflicted. And that breaks God's heart. Psalm 83 says 0:34:26.650 --> 0:34:30.280 that those who hate the God of Israel express that 0:34:30.310 --> 0:34:35.469 hatred by hating the people of Israel, the Jewish people. 0:34:35.469 --> 0:34:40.690 And it's really a reflection of the resentment towards God 0:34:40.690 --> 0:34:44.380 for having chosen and having a special plan for this people. 0:34:44.380 --> 0:34:46.810 I think that's that's really what we're talking about when 0:34:46.810 --> 0:34:50.469 we talk about anti-Semitism biblically and and what is the 0:34:50.469 --> 0:34:55.509 source of that hatred? Revelation 12 talks about the pursuit 0:34:55.540 --> 0:34:58.180 of the woman. The woman represents Israel, the Jewish, not 0:34:58.180 --> 0:35:02.830 the political entity, but the Jewish people it represents. It's 0:35:02.830 --> 0:35:06.400 symbolic for Israel because we see that she's got the 0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:08.529 stars and the sun and the moon, just like Joseph 0:35:08.530 --> 0:35:14.290 from Genesis 37 and Satan, the devil, the the serpent 0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:18.760 of old pursues Israel to try and persecute her. What 0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:21.670 does that tell us about anti-Semitism? It's rooted in a 0:35:21.670 --> 0:35:26.320 satanic hatred of God and of the people he chose. 0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:30.640 So it's it's heartbreaking. But there's hope, Michael. 0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:34.660 And that's why it's so important to have this conference 0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:38.589 at the Moody Bible Institute. Micah six eight says, what 0:35:38.590 --> 0:35:42.250 does the Lord require of you, O man? To act justly, 0:35:42.250 --> 0:35:47.050 to love mercy, and walk humbly before your God? Yeah, 0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:53.320 we have to act justly in this time of dissonance, 0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:59.530 of despair and hatred. As Christians, we have a responsibility 0:35:59.530 --> 0:36:02.799 to stand up and address that and to be people 0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:06.549 of mercy and walk humbly with God. And how do 0:36:06.550 --> 0:36:09.550 we do that? We need to walk alongside our Jewish 0:36:09.550 --> 0:36:14.360 brothers and sisters standing with them saying enough is enough. 0:36:14.390 --> 0:36:17.810 This cannot continue to happen. Yeah. 0:36:17.810 --> 0:36:20.180 So agree with you. Thank you so much for that. 0:36:20.180 --> 0:36:22.069 We're going to come back and talk about how we 0:36:22.070 --> 0:36:25.190 can stand up and what we can do. Uh, listening 0:36:25.219 --> 0:36:27.560 to a whole group of moody people here at the 0:36:27.590 --> 0:36:30.890 summit and Chosen People Ministries, people as well, at the 0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:36.020 summit opposing anti-Semitism, our very special pre-recorded program. Stay with us. 0:36:36.050 --> 0:36:49.160 We're coming right back with more. Some claim Paul is 0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:52.070 the key person who took the message of the Jewish Messiah. 0:36:52.070 --> 0:36:56.660 Jesus made it into something Gentile. But Paul is also 0:36:56.690 --> 0:37:00.770 the one who wrote, brethren, my heart's desire for Israel 0:37:00.770 --> 0:37:05.630 is for their salvation. Romans ten one chosen people ministries. 0:37:05.630 --> 0:37:09.239 One of our underwriters wants us all to learn what 0:37:09.270 --> 0:37:12.570 drove Paul's passion for his own people. They're offering the 0:37:12.570 --> 0:37:15.989 book The Heart of the Apostle by Rich Freeman, free 0:37:15.989 --> 0:37:19.020 to all open line listeners. To get this exposition of 0:37:19.020 --> 0:37:23.219 Romans nine through 11, just go to our website openline. radio.org. 0:37:23.250 --> 0:37:25.650 Scroll down to the link that says A free gift 0:37:25.650 --> 0:37:28.830 from Chosen People Ministries. Click on that and you'll be 0:37:28.830 --> 0:37:30.450 taken to a page where you can sign up for 0:37:30.450 --> 0:37:39.960 your very own free copy of The Heart of the Apostle. Paul, 0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:44.370 welcome back to Open Line. I'm Michael Ray Dolnick. I'm 0:37:44.370 --> 0:37:48.330 here with a bunch of guests William Washington, Rachel from Israel, 0:37:48.330 --> 0:37:54.810 Michael from Israel, Sergei from Israel, and now New York City. Uh, 0:37:54.810 --> 0:37:58.950 we're here together talking about the summit opposing anti-Semitism, the 0:37:58.950 --> 0:38:02.819 problem of anti-Semitism, what happened in Israel a year ago 0:38:02.820 --> 0:38:07.740 and how it's gone on. Uh, Rachel, you've been ministering 0:38:07.739 --> 0:38:11.640 with with Chosen People Ministries, our co-sponsor of this special 0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:16.290 summit for a lot of years. But you've been in 0:38:16.290 --> 0:38:19.320 Israel doing that. What do you see spiritually in Israel 0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:21.870 now because of what happened on ten over seven? 0:38:21.900 --> 0:38:24.420 Well, you know, some of this conversation we've had now 0:38:24.450 --> 0:38:27.270 has been a bit dark. But I want to remind 0:38:27.270 --> 0:38:30.330 everyone that even in the midst of this darkness this 0:38:30.330 --> 0:38:35.400 past year, we've seen such an extraordinary change in people's 0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:40.800 lives because they've experienced such hardship and such worry and 0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:45.300 anxiety and depth of concern of what next? How are 0:38:45.300 --> 0:38:47.489 we going to get out of this? And through that, 0:38:47.489 --> 0:38:51.330 people have been reaching down deep and soul searching, and 0:38:51.330 --> 0:38:56.460 it's been very surprising to see people's questions, thoughts, concerns 0:38:56.460 --> 0:39:00.210 and willingness to talk about Jesus and talk about a 0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:03.150 God who is loving even in the midst of this. 0:39:03.180 --> 0:39:07.450 We've seen people come to our ministry center. Chosen people 0:39:07.450 --> 0:39:11.050 has a work in the Tel Aviv area, and through 0:39:11.050 --> 0:39:14.859 our Bible studies, or through a worship night, which was 0:39:14.860 --> 0:39:18.670 once a trickle. The event space is packed, and people 0:39:18.670 --> 0:39:21.700 are really wanting to come into a safe place to 0:39:21.730 --> 0:39:25.419 be able to experience some hope. Now, in a way, 0:39:25.420 --> 0:39:28.000 I like quantity, I like numbers, I like seeing a 0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:31.810 full room. That's that's nice. But the quality of people's 0:39:31.810 --> 0:39:36.940 questions and asking for prayer and wanting to continue the 0:39:36.940 --> 0:39:39.279 dialogue about who Jesus is and how he can be 0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:42.280 our peace and hope during this time has been incredible, 0:39:42.460 --> 0:39:45.880 and that's the light that we see during this dark time. 0:39:45.910 --> 0:39:46.360 You know, one of. 0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:50.860 The things that two two things that God uses in 0:39:51.190 --> 0:39:54.190 bringing people to know him to to know the Messiah, 0:39:54.190 --> 0:39:59.350 Jesus is either transition when people are in a different state, 0:39:59.350 --> 0:40:04.239 different place, different, they're disconnected and they start seeking God 0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:09.460 or trauma. And this ten seven was the most traumatic event, 0:40:09.460 --> 0:40:13.510 I think, in modern Israel in at least since the 0:40:13.510 --> 0:40:19.120 the Yom Kippur War 50 years ago. Uh, so God 0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:22.930 is using the traumatic effects of this to cause people 0:40:22.930 --> 0:40:23.950 to seek him. You think? 0:40:23.980 --> 0:40:27.700 Absolutely. Oh, wow. It's it has not ended. It is 0:40:27.700 --> 0:40:30.520 even more now, over a year later. Wow. 0:40:30.550 --> 0:40:34.270 That's amazing. What are you finding in New York about that, Sergei? 0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:37.840 I think people are open. People are seeking same thing 0:40:37.870 --> 0:40:40.750 like in Israel. I think people all of a sudden 0:40:40.750 --> 0:40:44.020 trying to think like, okay, what do I grasp in 0:40:44.020 --> 0:40:46.870 hope for the future? It doesn't have to be like 0:40:46.900 --> 0:40:50.680 specifically in any country. But where do I find hope? 0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:54.670 In what? And then when we talk to students, we 0:40:54.670 --> 0:40:56.859 ask them questions that are more like, do you think 0:40:56.890 --> 0:41:00.189 peace is possible in general, not specifically about Middle East? 0:41:00.190 --> 0:41:02.710 And we want to see what is the reaction to 0:41:02.739 --> 0:41:05.450 those things. And then through those conversations, we see that 0:41:05.450 --> 0:41:10.399 people are wanting to know God or they're seeking. They're saying, well, 0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:14.060 we want to have a higher power. But they understand that, yes, 0:41:14.060 --> 0:41:17.480 there's somebody to submit to and love, and it's God 0:41:17.510 --> 0:41:19.069 because God can give you this peace. 0:41:19.100 --> 0:41:19.819 It's great. 0:41:20.180 --> 0:41:23.660 Huh? It's amazing how hearts can open. Uh, I want 0:41:23.690 --> 0:41:25.129 to ask Michael a question in a minute, but here's 0:41:25.130 --> 0:41:29.719 a verse, uh, that I think is crucial when we 0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:34.550 see this ugly head of anti-Semitism arising again. It says 0:41:34.550 --> 0:41:38.480 rescue those being taken off to death and save those 0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:41.810 stumbling towards slaughter. If you say. But we didn't know 0:41:41.810 --> 0:41:45.319 about this, won't he? Who ways the ways hearts consider it, 0:41:45.350 --> 0:41:48.980 won't he who protects your life know this is a 0:41:48.980 --> 0:41:52.399 great reminder from Proverbs 2411 and 12. God says, when 0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:55.549 we see this kind of stuff happening, we need to 0:41:55.580 --> 0:41:59.810 speak up. Not just speak up, but resist it. Uh, 0:41:59.810 --> 0:42:03.180 so I'm going to start with you, Michael. What would 0:42:03.180 --> 0:42:07.259 you like to see? Uh, believers here, followers of Jesus 0:42:07.260 --> 0:42:11.969 here in America, do about this rising anti-Semitism. 0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:16.379 I think you said it very well. I think they 0:42:16.380 --> 0:42:20.100 need to speak up. But I think in order for 0:42:20.100 --> 0:42:25.500 them to speak up, they have to get educated. I 0:42:25.500 --> 0:42:31.500 think if the Jewish people are important, if their faith 0:42:31.500 --> 0:42:33.960 is important, if there's such a big part of God's plan, 0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:37.980 like we're seeing in revelation and like we're seeing in 0:42:37.980 --> 0:42:43.500 the whole Bible, then let's take the time to study 0:42:43.530 --> 0:42:47.850 a little bit to understand why, to understand why they're 0:42:47.850 --> 0:42:53.669 hated so much, and to understand the truth about what's 0:42:53.670 --> 0:42:54.390 going in Israel. 0:42:54.420 --> 0:42:57.300 Yeah, it's the craziest hate because it's not like Jewish 0:42:57.300 --> 0:43:00.359 people did something to deserve it. It's because of the 0:43:00.390 --> 0:43:03.989 enemy who hates whom God loves. I think that that's 0:43:03.989 --> 0:43:08.940 really important to understand. Uh, so I agree with you. 0:43:08.940 --> 0:43:11.430 I think I'll tell you one of the sad things 0:43:11.430 --> 0:43:15.750 for me, I would like pastors to address this, to 0:43:15.780 --> 0:43:19.200 speak up about it. I would like people who are 0:43:19.200 --> 0:43:25.380 preachers to know to educate their churches about the Jewish people. 0:43:25.410 --> 0:43:30.720 One pastor I mentioned this before in previous hour said that, uh, 0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:34.350 in New York, when when the anti-Semites come, they're going 0:43:34.350 --> 0:43:36.150 to have to come through our church because we're going 0:43:36.180 --> 0:43:38.910 to stand with the Jewish community. And I think more 0:43:38.910 --> 0:43:42.509 pastors need to educate their people and and help them 0:43:42.510 --> 0:43:45.300 to see that, uh, is there something you think that 0:43:45.660 --> 0:43:48.510 you'd like to see come out of this summit or 0:43:48.540 --> 0:43:49.890 just absolutely believers? 0:43:49.890 --> 0:43:56.670 Do I think Doctor Dolnick, our church, uh, the faith 0:43:56.670 --> 0:44:01.060 family of God, uh, we can't sit on the sidelines anymore. 0:44:01.390 --> 0:44:04.840 And so a very practical thing that we need to 0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:07.810 do is that we need to lift our voices up, 0:44:07.810 --> 0:44:10.810 like Michael said. And how can we do that? By 0:44:10.810 --> 0:44:16.330 contacting governmental officials, our congressmen and women, and letting them 0:44:16.330 --> 0:44:20.290 know that what is occurring in our country, in our world, 0:44:20.290 --> 0:44:26.560 should not and cannot be tolerated, and that we as America, 0:44:26.590 --> 0:44:30.910 firmly behind the State of Israel, firmly behind and. 0:44:30.910 --> 0:44:33.850 Concerned for the Jewish people right here in the United States. 0:44:33.880 --> 0:44:39.100 I mean, I I'm shocked when I hear these events, 0:44:39.100 --> 0:44:42.040 and it's almost like sometimes politicians don't even want to 0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:45.130 speak up about it. I, I was told by someone 0:44:45.130 --> 0:44:47.920 that one of the most important issues that we have, 0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:52.360 privileges that we have as American citizens, if you're listening, 0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:54.250 is to pick up the phone and call the white 0:44:54.250 --> 0:44:58.040 House and leave our opinion there for the president, whoever 0:44:58.040 --> 0:45:02.570 he may be, you know, uh, or call our congressman, 0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:08.120 our senator and our mayor, whoever it might be, if 0:45:08.120 --> 0:45:12.560 we see these events, speak up and say we want 0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:17.180 to support those who will oppose anti-Semitism, will take action 0:45:17.180 --> 0:45:20.840 to protect Jewish people. I think that's a really crucial thing. 0:45:20.870 --> 0:45:24.500 You know, Nazi Germany people said we better not mix in. 0:45:25.040 --> 0:45:29.960 Imagine if they had spoken up in mass. Uh, Niemöller 0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:32.299 said it would have stopped it. It would have stopped it. 0:45:32.300 --> 0:45:36.320 So we have to take and we have the freedom 0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:40.400 and the privilege of speaking to our governmental leaders. I 0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:41.660 think we need to do that. And the. 0:45:41.660 --> 0:45:46.100 Responsibility. Don't forget that responsibility. Brothers and sisters in Christ. 0:45:46.130 --> 0:45:49.520 Yeah, we have to do that. And, you know, I'm 0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:51.890 sorry if you missed the summit this time, but, uh, 0:45:51.890 --> 0:45:53.990 I'm sure you'll be able to hear some of the 0:45:53.989 --> 0:45:57.540 things that happened in upcoming weeks. So some of the 0:45:57.540 --> 0:45:59.040 things that were said and some of the things that 0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:04.140 were done, uh, it's it's a I'm grateful that we 0:46:04.170 --> 0:46:07.080 have had the summit and that you guys are here 0:46:07.080 --> 0:46:11.430 to join and participate today as we pre-recorded this special 0:46:11.430 --> 0:46:16.230 Open Line edition for the summit opposing anti-Semitism. That's the 0:46:16.230 --> 0:46:19.230 program for the week. Thanks for listening, everyone. We'll be 0:46:19.230 --> 0:46:22.140 back next week with more of your Bible questions. More 0:46:22.140 --> 0:46:25.200 questions about the Bible, God, and the spiritual life. Uh, 0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:28.350 I want to thank Chris Seeger for helping me out 0:46:28.350 --> 0:46:31.080 today and getting this recorded. And thanks to these wonderful 0:46:31.080 --> 0:46:35.130 guests for joining me today. Uh, really appreciate that. Keep 0:46:35.130 --> 0:46:37.920 reading the Bible. 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