1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,400 S1: Hi friends, this is Janet Parshall. Thanks so much for 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,160 S1: downloading this podcast, and I hope you hear something that 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,560 S1: will really encourage and edify you. But before you start 4 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,400 S1: to listen, let me take a moment of your time 5 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,399 S1: and tell you about this month's truth tool. It's called 6 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,640 S1: secure How to Have a Healthy Attachment to God. And 7 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,360 S1: it follows that very often, whatever our relationship is like 8 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,000 S1: with authority figures, predominantly our parents, we somehow transferred to 9 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,040 S1: how we see God. So if we have an angry parent, 10 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,319 S1: he's an angry God. If it's a distant parent, he's 11 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,520 S1: a God who's not there. I think it's important we 12 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,680 S1: understand who God really is. And in this wonderful book 13 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,760 S1: called secure, you're going to discover the character of God 14 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,120 S1: and how deeply in love God is with you. It's 15 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:38,839 S1: our truth tool. Our truth tools are my way of 16 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,680 S1: saying thank you because we are listener supported radio. So 17 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,600 S1: if you'd like a copy of secure, just call eight 7758. 18 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,760 S1: That's eight 7758. Give a gift of any amount. My 19 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,840 S1: way of saying thank you for supporting the program is 20 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,000 S1: I'll send you a copy of secure. You can also 21 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,480 S1: do this online at in the Market with Janet Parshall. 22 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,560 S1: Scroll to the bottom of the page. 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So 33 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,440 S1: either way, thank you in advance for prayerfully considering the 34 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,720 S1: opportunity to financially support in the market with Janet partial 35 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,720 S1: and keeping it on the air. Now, I hope you 36 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,920 S1: hear something that will encourage you to get out and 37 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,880 S1: influence and occupy in the marketplace of ideas. 38 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:41,800 S2: Here are some of the news headlines we're watching. 39 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,360 S3: The conference was over. The president won a pledge. 40 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,559 S4: Americans worshiping government over God. 41 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,240 S5: Extremely rare safety move by a major 17 years. 42 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,320 S4: The Palestinians have Israelis negotiated. 43 00:01:52,720 --> 00:02:07,960 S5: A deal is not over. Hi friends. 44 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,120 S1: Welcome to In the Market with Janet partial. A very 45 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,720 S1: happy Wednesday to you. Thank you so much for joining us. 46 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,160 S1: Get those passports ready because we're going to wing our 47 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,440 S1: way Down Under and get caught up with our favorite 48 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,200 S1: Scottish apologist who has a thing or two to say 49 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:21,680 S1: about a thing or two. And he's got a lot 50 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,720 S1: to share with us this time. So stick around. I 51 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,600 S1: want to remind you, I know, I know, I remember 52 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,800 S1: grade school, right? You'd make different decorations for each month, 53 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,480 S1: and pretty soon the kids are going to be making 54 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,440 S1: kites because the month of March is rolling around. Right. 55 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,639 S1: And what do we say here? We say it'll either 56 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,760 S1: come in like a lion and go out like a lamb, 57 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,799 S1: or the opposite will happen either way. Midnight Saturday we 58 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,360 S1: say goodbye to our stool because Sunday is March 1st. 59 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,120 S1: Hard to believe it. So if you do not yet 60 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,680 S1: have your copy of secure How to Have a Healthy 61 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,079 S1: Attachment to God by my friend Ken Haddock, I want 62 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,440 S1: to encourage you to get it now. This is a 63 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,040 S1: wonderful book. A lot of people think that they feel 64 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,880 S1: separated from God. They feel distant from God. And like 65 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:02,359 S1: it or not, here's what we tend to do as 66 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,680 S1: mere mortals. We superimpose upon God the nature of, well, 67 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,880 S1: oftentimes it's the father figure in our life. If he 68 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,760 S1: was a strict father, then he's a strict God. He's 69 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,280 S1: a punitive God. If he was an absentee God, then 70 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,640 S1: he's a distant God or absentee father. Then he's a 71 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,200 S1: distant God. If he was a loving, encouraging God, well, 72 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,520 S1: then you see those attributes in God. So we oftentimes 73 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,200 S1: don't feel secure in our relationship with God, which is 74 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,119 S1: an idea that kids have picked up on to let 75 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:27,920 S1: you and I can know beyond a shadow of a doubt, 76 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:32,079 S1: his unconditional love not predicated on us at all, but 77 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,720 S1: it is a reflection of who he is. For us, 78 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,000 S1: it is a short, powerful little book, and I want 79 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,640 S1: to encourage you because I want you to be encouraged. 80 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,720 S1: So this is your book. If you give money to 81 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,600 S1: support this program because we are listener supported radio gift 82 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,160 S1: of any amount, we're going to give you a copy 83 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,400 S1: this month of secure. But midnight Saturday it's back on 84 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:51,760 S1: the shelf. And then we move on to a new 85 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,760 S1: truth tool for the month of March. So if you'd 86 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,750 S1: like a copy, just call 877. Janet 58. That's 877. 87 00:03:57,750 --> 00:04:00,710 S1: Janet 58. You can give online in the market with 88 00:04:00,710 --> 00:04:03,990 S1: Janet Parshall. Scroll to the bottom of the page. There's 89 00:04:03,990 --> 00:04:05,510 S1: the cover of the book. Click it on. Make your 90 00:04:05,510 --> 00:04:07,550 S1: donation a gift of any amount. We'll send it to you. 91 00:04:07,550 --> 00:04:09,470 S1: By the way, Thursday is a big day for my 92 00:04:09,470 --> 00:04:13,510 S1: partial partners. Partial partners are the people who give every 93 00:04:13,510 --> 00:04:16,789 S1: single month without failure. They set their own level of giving. 94 00:04:16,790 --> 00:04:18,830 S1: But my way of saying thank you is you always 95 00:04:18,830 --> 00:04:20,910 S1: get the truth tool for every month that you're a 96 00:04:20,910 --> 00:04:23,270 S1: partial partner. And we're also going to send you a 97 00:04:23,270 --> 00:04:25,670 S1: newsletter that goes out on Thursdays, that has some of 98 00:04:25,670 --> 00:04:27,790 S1: my writing and an audio piece that only my partial 99 00:04:27,790 --> 00:04:30,510 S1: partners get. So think about it, pray about it, and 100 00:04:30,510 --> 00:04:32,230 S1: we'd love to have you join those people who are 101 00:04:32,230 --> 00:04:34,550 S1: supporting in the market with Janet. Partial of the programs. 102 00:04:34,550 --> 00:04:36,950 S1: Bless you. Thank you for that. And I want you 103 00:04:36,950 --> 00:04:40,070 S1: to help us keep going. So 877 Janet 58 or 104 00:04:40,070 --> 00:04:42,950 S1: online and in the market with Janet partial dot o 105 00:04:42,990 --> 00:04:44,589 S1: r g a gift of any amount. We're going to 106 00:04:44,589 --> 00:04:47,910 S1: send you a copy of secure as this month's truth tool. 107 00:04:47,910 --> 00:04:51,990 S1: But again check your watch Sunday new month New truth tool. 108 00:04:52,270 --> 00:04:55,310 S1: Article two section three, clause one requires the president shall, 109 00:04:55,310 --> 00:04:57,669 S1: and I quote from time to time, give to the 110 00:04:57,670 --> 00:05:00,790 S1: Congress information of the state of the Union, and recommend 111 00:05:00,790 --> 00:05:05,110 S1: to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary 112 00:05:05,110 --> 00:05:09,350 S1: and expedient. And last night history was made, because once 113 00:05:09,350 --> 00:05:11,990 S1: again the president of these United States stepped up and 114 00:05:11,990 --> 00:05:14,670 S1: decided that he would deliver the state of the Union address. 115 00:05:14,670 --> 00:05:17,310 S1: And he said the word that every American longs to hear. 116 00:05:17,350 --> 00:05:20,710 S1: Ladies and gentlemen, the state of our union is strong. 117 00:05:21,310 --> 00:05:22,989 S1: But there's always a lot of other things that happen. 118 00:05:22,990 --> 00:05:25,750 S1: And last night was certainly no exception. Here's more from 119 00:05:25,750 --> 00:05:26,670 S1: CBN news. 120 00:05:26,910 --> 00:05:30,270 S6: Mr. speaker, the president of the United States. 121 00:05:30,430 --> 00:05:33,950 S7: In this midterm election year. President Trump knows the state 122 00:05:33,950 --> 00:05:37,950 S7: of the economy will determine control of Congress and his agenda. 123 00:05:38,110 --> 00:05:41,310 S7: So it was no surprise that he began by touting 124 00:05:41,310 --> 00:05:42,710 S7: his economic record. 125 00:05:42,750 --> 00:05:46,070 S8: A short time ago, we were a dead country. Now 126 00:05:46,070 --> 00:05:49,790 S8: we are the hottest country anywhere in the world. The hottest. 127 00:05:51,550 --> 00:05:56,550 S8: The cost of chicken. Butter. Fruit. Hotels. Automobiles. Rent is 128 00:05:56,550 --> 00:05:58,989 S8: lower today than when I took office by a lot. 129 00:05:59,230 --> 00:06:02,070 S7: While the jury is still out on how Americans feel 130 00:06:02,070 --> 00:06:05,469 S7: about their wallet, Trump poured on the optimism. 131 00:06:05,670 --> 00:06:09,030 S8: Our country is winning again. In fact, we're winning so 132 00:06:09,029 --> 00:06:12,870 S8: much that we really don't know what to do about it. 133 00:06:12,910 --> 00:06:16,430 S7: The president also announced economic news of a different kind 134 00:06:16,470 --> 00:06:18,270 S7: a crackdown on fraud. 135 00:06:18,310 --> 00:06:23,830 S8: There's been no more stunning example than Minnesota, where members 136 00:06:23,830 --> 00:06:30,030 S8: of the Somali community have pillaged an estimated $19 billion. 137 00:06:30,150 --> 00:06:34,630 S8: So tonight, although started four months ago, I am officially 138 00:06:34,630 --> 00:06:38,310 S8: announcing the war on fraud to be led by our 139 00:06:38,310 --> 00:06:41,070 S8: great Vice President, JD Vance. 140 00:06:41,110 --> 00:06:48,830 S7: As for memorable moments, there were plenty. The USA's gold 141 00:06:48,830 --> 00:06:51,870 S7: medal men's hockey team was in the chamber and received 142 00:06:51,870 --> 00:06:56,630 S7: a patriotic standing ovation. Although things turned uglier when the 143 00:06:56,630 --> 00:06:58,870 S7: president brought up immigration. 144 00:06:58,910 --> 00:07:02,750 S8: The first duty of the American government is to protect 145 00:07:02,750 --> 00:07:05,510 S8: American citizens, not illegal aliens. 146 00:07:06,510 --> 00:07:10,670 S7: Republicans applauded for a couple of minutes while Democrats remained 147 00:07:10,710 --> 00:07:12,670 S7: seated and heckled Trump. 148 00:07:12,710 --> 00:07:16,230 S8: You should be ashamed of yourself not standing up. You 149 00:07:16,230 --> 00:07:20,390 S8: should be ashamed of yourself. It's very simple. All voters 150 00:07:20,390 --> 00:07:26,550 S8: must show voter I.D.. All voters must show proof of 151 00:07:27,030 --> 00:07:29,230 S8: citizenship in order to vote. 152 00:07:30,030 --> 00:07:33,630 S7: When Trump called for a ban on sex transitioning operations 153 00:07:33,630 --> 00:07:37,950 S7: for minors, Liberal Democrats raised their voices in objection. 154 00:07:37,990 --> 00:07:42,390 S8: These people are crazy. I'm telling you, they're crazy. We're 155 00:07:42,390 --> 00:07:45,750 S8: lucky we have a country with people like this. Democrats 156 00:07:45,790 --> 00:07:48,950 S8: are destroying our country, but we've stopped it just in 157 00:07:48,950 --> 00:07:49,790 S8: the nick of time. 158 00:07:49,830 --> 00:07:53,310 S7: The president lowered the temperature by invoking the resurgence of 159 00:07:53,310 --> 00:07:57,430 S7: faith in America as he acknowledged his guest, Erica Kirk, 160 00:07:57,590 --> 00:08:01,310 S7: the wife of slain Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk. 161 00:08:01,470 --> 00:08:04,950 S8: In Charlie's memory. We must all come together to reaffirm 162 00:08:04,950 --> 00:08:09,190 S8: that America is one nation under God, and we must 163 00:08:09,190 --> 00:08:13,630 S8: totally reject political violence of any kind. We love religion, 164 00:08:13,910 --> 00:08:16,070 S8: and we love bringing it back. 165 00:08:16,110 --> 00:08:19,350 S7: One of the evening's highlights came when the president awarded 166 00:08:19,350 --> 00:08:23,310 S7: two Congressional Medals of Honor. One went to 100 year 167 00:08:23,350 --> 00:08:30,750 S7: old Royce Williams, a World War Two Navy hero. Even 168 00:08:30,750 --> 00:08:34,110 S7: with moments like that, the Democrats take away with something 169 00:08:34,110 --> 00:08:38,870 S7: completely different. Newly elected Virginia Governor Abigail Spanberger gave the 170 00:08:38,870 --> 00:08:40,349 S7: Democrat response. 171 00:08:40,390 --> 00:08:44,390 S9: He lied. He scapegoated, and he distracted. And he offered 172 00:08:44,390 --> 00:08:49,550 S9: no real solutions to our nation's pressing challenges, so many 173 00:08:49,550 --> 00:08:52,390 S9: of which he is actively making worse. 174 00:08:53,910 --> 00:08:57,030 S1: Democrats are hoping voters by that message and send them 175 00:08:57,030 --> 00:09:00,590 S1: back into a majority after the congressional midterm elections. So 176 00:09:00,870 --> 00:09:03,510 S1: it was a fascinating night. Most moving of all was 177 00:09:03,510 --> 00:09:07,790 S1: the recognition of the American heroes that required everyone to stand. 178 00:09:07,790 --> 00:09:11,310 S1: But unfortunately, one party did not. And that's what most 179 00:09:11,309 --> 00:09:14,510 S1: of the conversation is about Washington today. It wasn't about 180 00:09:14,510 --> 00:09:17,309 S1: the policy issues going into this. The president knew where 181 00:09:17,309 --> 00:09:19,510 S1: the Democrats did and did not stand in support of 182 00:09:19,510 --> 00:09:22,550 S1: his ideas. But when you see a 100 year old 183 00:09:22,550 --> 00:09:26,430 S1: World War Two veteran getting recognized for his service, and 184 00:09:26,429 --> 00:09:30,030 S1: you don't stand, that's not a Republican or a Democratic issue. 185 00:09:30,070 --> 00:09:32,510 S1: That's an American issue, and it's an issue of right 186 00:09:32,510 --> 00:09:35,910 S1: and wrong. Much more to talk about with David Robertson 187 00:09:35,910 --> 00:09:45,270 S1: right after this. The way we related to authority figures 188 00:09:45,270 --> 00:09:47,579 S1: growing up often shapes how we relate to God. So 189 00:09:47,580 --> 00:09:50,059 S1: if you grew up with a critical or disengaged parent, 190 00:09:50,059 --> 00:09:52,380 S1: you might think God is demanding or distant. And that's 191 00:09:52,380 --> 00:09:54,939 S1: why I've chosen secure how to have a healthy attachment 192 00:09:54,940 --> 00:09:57,300 S1: to God as this month's truth tool. Learn to know 193 00:09:57,300 --> 00:10:00,020 S1: the true character of our Heavenly Father. As for your 194 00:10:00,020 --> 00:10:01,740 S1: copy of secure, when you give a gift of any 195 00:10:01,740 --> 00:10:06,660 S1: amount to in the market, call 87758. That's 877858 or 196 00:10:06,660 --> 00:10:11,420 S1: go to in the market with Janet. We are winging 197 00:10:11,420 --> 00:10:14,060 S1: our way down to the land of Oz. That land 198 00:10:14,059 --> 00:10:16,260 S1: down under where we're going to catch up with David Robertson, 199 00:10:16,260 --> 00:10:19,700 S1: who's a Scottish Presbyterian minister who served for 33 years 200 00:10:19,700 --> 00:10:22,660 S1: in Scotland, in Dundee and in the Highlands before moving 201 00:10:22,660 --> 00:10:25,900 S1: to Australia in 2019 to work as an evangelist with 202 00:10:25,900 --> 00:10:29,420 S1: Sydney Anglicans. He currently serves as the Minister of Scots 203 00:10:29,460 --> 00:10:33,140 S1: Kirk Presbyterian Church in Hamilton, Newcastle, New South Wales. He 204 00:10:33,179 --> 00:10:36,820 S1: has a wonderful podcast. Uh, he does a wonderful job 205 00:10:36,860 --> 00:10:39,780 S1: taking a look at the culture from a biblical perspective. 206 00:10:39,780 --> 00:10:42,020 S1: And you can find all of that at the Wellfleet. 207 00:10:42,020 --> 00:10:45,700 S1: Com the Wellfleet. Com. and so one of the things 208 00:10:45,700 --> 00:10:47,340 S1: I like about when I get to talk to David 209 00:10:47,340 --> 00:10:49,660 S1: is I'm going back to the future, because it's not 210 00:10:49,660 --> 00:10:52,620 S1: today there, it's tomorrow there, and it's not evening as 211 00:10:52,620 --> 00:10:55,660 S1: it is here in the nation's capital. It is morning 212 00:10:55,820 --> 00:10:58,700 S1: in New South Wales. And so it's really this time 213 00:10:58,740 --> 00:11:00,900 S1: space compendium that makes me feel like I'm going back 214 00:11:00,900 --> 00:11:03,500 S1: to the future and I'm all confused. But David just 215 00:11:03,500 --> 00:11:06,140 S1: might be a little confused because this dear brother has 216 00:11:06,140 --> 00:11:09,820 S1: just returned from going back to Scotland, and the trip 217 00:11:09,820 --> 00:11:13,219 S1: from Scotland back to Oz for him was 50 hours, 218 00:11:13,220 --> 00:11:16,860 S1: five zero hours. I don't know how you endure that, 219 00:11:16,860 --> 00:11:19,380 S1: but he did, and so I'm not quite sure that 220 00:11:19,380 --> 00:11:22,860 S1: his internal clock has reset completely, so I don't know 221 00:11:22,860 --> 00:11:26,220 S1: if he knows if it's Wednesday or if it's Tuesday, 222 00:11:26,220 --> 00:11:28,500 S1: or if it's Scotland or if it's New South Wales. 223 00:11:28,500 --> 00:11:30,460 S1: But either way, he is here. We're going to give 224 00:11:30,460 --> 00:11:32,219 S1: him a boatload of grace if he gets mixed up 225 00:11:32,220 --> 00:11:36,540 S1: on anything simply because he's having to reset his clock. Welcome, brother. 226 00:11:36,540 --> 00:11:39,179 S1: Nice to talk to you again. Welcome back to Australia. 227 00:11:40,420 --> 00:11:43,780 S10: Yeah, I feel like, um, I don't know about back 228 00:11:43,780 --> 00:11:46,740 S10: to the future, but, um, it's. My body is telling 229 00:11:46,740 --> 00:11:50,500 S10: me it's 11:00 at night in Scotland. I've had a 230 00:11:50,500 --> 00:11:54,140 S10: couple of hours sleep. My mind is telling me I'm 231 00:11:54,140 --> 00:11:58,020 S10: speaking to Janet Parshall in the US, and therefore I 232 00:11:58,020 --> 00:12:00,780 S10: have to be even more careful than I normally am. 233 00:12:01,500 --> 00:12:04,620 S10: And my heart is telling me, you idiot! What did 234 00:12:04,620 --> 00:12:06,540 S10: you agree to do this for? Because you're going to 235 00:12:06,540 --> 00:12:09,940 S10: say something really daft which will go to the internet, 236 00:12:09,940 --> 00:12:13,420 S10: unlike the Lord never forgives or forgets. 237 00:12:13,860 --> 00:12:19,900 S1: You know that thing always keeps the records of wrongdoing. Yes, exactly. Well, 238 00:12:19,900 --> 00:12:22,179 S1: the first thing I want to ask you is about Istanbul. Now, 239 00:12:22,179 --> 00:12:24,660 S1: we just talked about Scotland and we talked about Australia. 240 00:12:24,700 --> 00:12:26,580 S1: I don't know how in the world Istanbul fits into 241 00:12:26,580 --> 00:12:27,939 S1: all of this, but I can't wait to hear what 242 00:12:27,940 --> 00:12:28,700 S1: you have to say. 243 00:12:29,940 --> 00:12:33,780 S10: Okay, well, I flew with the wonderful Turkish Airlines and 244 00:12:33,780 --> 00:12:37,059 S10: you may find it rather interesting, actually, that, uh, they 245 00:12:37,059 --> 00:12:41,020 S10: bleep out all the swear words, any reference at all 246 00:12:41,059 --> 00:12:45,219 S10: to sexual content on whatever film or TV series they 247 00:12:45,220 --> 00:12:48,540 S10: have on their in-flight entertainment. You know, it's funny, if 248 00:12:48,540 --> 00:12:51,260 S10: someone did that in the US, I suspect you'd get 249 00:12:51,260 --> 00:12:54,699 S10: The New York Times up in arms about Christian fundamentalism. 250 00:12:54,700 --> 00:12:57,540 S10: But I really like Turkish Airlines, and part of the 251 00:12:57,540 --> 00:12:59,860 S10: deal that took us so long coming back is we 252 00:12:59,860 --> 00:13:05,100 S10: had a 20 hour stopover in, um, Istanbul. 253 00:13:05,340 --> 00:13:05,820 S1: Wow. 254 00:13:05,940 --> 00:13:09,700 S10: And I looked out from my hotel, uh, and could 255 00:13:09,700 --> 00:13:12,740 S10: see across the Bosphorus, which is the really one of 256 00:13:12,740 --> 00:13:15,660 S10: the most important straits of water in the world, and 257 00:13:15,660 --> 00:13:19,060 S10: one which I think will end up, uh, being a 258 00:13:19,059 --> 00:13:22,820 S10: starter for World War three. But, um, because it's the 259 00:13:22,820 --> 00:13:29,820 S10: connection between Turkey, the Mediterranean, Russia, Ukraine, everything. And I 260 00:13:29,820 --> 00:13:33,100 S10: looked across the bridge and across the bridge was this wonderful, 261 00:13:33,100 --> 00:13:38,100 S10: the great building, the Hagia Sophia. Now, historically, it was 262 00:13:38,100 --> 00:13:42,300 S10: it is the Probably the grandest and most famous church 263 00:13:42,300 --> 00:13:46,100 S10: in the world. It was built in what was Constantinople, 264 00:13:47,020 --> 00:13:51,300 S10: and it lasted for a thousand years as the center 265 00:13:51,300 --> 00:13:55,540 S10: of Christendom. When the Roman Empire fell, the new Roman 266 00:13:55,540 --> 00:14:03,459 S10: Empire was um. Constantine, of course. And Constantinople, the whole 267 00:14:03,460 --> 00:14:09,780 S10: empire around that. Now the Muslims eventually the Turks eventually 268 00:14:09,780 --> 00:14:16,260 S10: took over in, I think it was 1344. And of course, um, 269 00:14:16,820 --> 00:14:19,100 S10: the church was taken over. It was turned into a mosque. 270 00:14:19,580 --> 00:14:22,700 S10: And then Ataturk at the beginning of this century, I think, 271 00:14:22,700 --> 00:14:26,820 S10: in the 1920s, turned it into a historical monument for everybody, 272 00:14:26,820 --> 00:14:31,500 S10: not a mosque. And the United Nations recognized that. But 273 00:14:31,500 --> 00:14:35,660 S10: I think in 2020, the Turkish premier and remember, Turkey 274 00:14:35,700 --> 00:14:39,460 S10: is part of NATO. So the Turkish premier announced it 275 00:14:39,460 --> 00:14:41,460 S10: was going to be a mosque again and I was 276 00:14:41,460 --> 00:14:44,260 S10: still keen to go and visit it. But then, partly 277 00:14:44,260 --> 00:14:46,820 S10: because of time, but also because I read that as 278 00:14:46,820 --> 00:14:49,100 S10: a Christian I was not allowed on the ground floor. 279 00:14:49,260 --> 00:14:51,380 S10: I could only go to an observer platform. 280 00:14:51,500 --> 00:14:51,900 S1: Wow. 281 00:14:52,140 --> 00:14:55,380 S10: And I thought, if you want a great example of colonisation, 282 00:14:55,380 --> 00:14:58,420 S10: now you have people in the US. I can think 283 00:14:58,420 --> 00:15:05,220 S10: of your Democratic, uh, member from Minnesota. Uh, Omar, um, 284 00:15:06,380 --> 00:15:10,140 S10: you know, they complain about colonization. Uh, I think of 285 00:15:10,140 --> 00:15:13,180 S10: your New York mayor. I think of Gavin Newsom and 286 00:15:13,180 --> 00:15:17,060 S10: others complaining about colonization. Well, here's a great example of 287 00:15:17,060 --> 00:15:22,660 S10: colonization where Christians are excluded from one of the most 288 00:15:22,660 --> 00:15:27,460 S10: important churches in the world. And, you know, I can 289 00:15:27,620 --> 00:15:30,380 S10: I can see that happening, to be honest, to Saint Paul's. 290 00:15:31,180 --> 00:15:33,900 S10: I can see that happening in other places. And we 291 00:15:33,900 --> 00:15:36,140 S10: must not be complacent about this. So as I was 292 00:15:36,420 --> 00:15:39,180 S10: coming back, I was reflecting on this. I've just written 293 00:15:39,180 --> 00:15:40,900 S10: an article on it which has not been published yet, 294 00:15:40,900 --> 00:15:45,580 S10: but it will be published. Oh, what times are we in? 295 00:15:45,620 --> 00:15:49,860 S10: It'll be tomorrow for you before it's published. Okay. Okay, good. So. 296 00:15:49,900 --> 00:15:53,180 S10: But but that's. You know, I mean, people need to 297 00:15:53,220 --> 00:15:56,060 S10: realise what is happening now. There's a sense in which 298 00:15:56,060 --> 00:15:57,980 S10: I don't blame Islam for this. Islam is not being 299 00:15:57,980 --> 00:16:00,940 S10: deceitful or dishonest, except when they ally themselves with the 300 00:16:00,940 --> 00:16:04,340 S10: Greens and the socialists because they don't really mean it. 301 00:16:04,340 --> 00:16:07,140 S10: They're just using them as useful idiots to get power. 302 00:16:07,540 --> 00:16:13,060 S10: But when Islam does get power, it's not tolerant Islam. 303 00:16:13,060 --> 00:16:15,260 S10: It's clear what it says. I mean, I've read the Quran, 304 00:16:15,260 --> 00:16:18,700 S10: but it's it's it means submission. We have to submit 305 00:16:19,060 --> 00:16:22,940 S10: to Allah. And I see it in the UK. I mean, 306 00:16:22,940 --> 00:16:25,340 S10: I was astonished going back to the UK, how much 307 00:16:25,380 --> 00:16:28,100 S10: it had changed and dare I say it, how much 308 00:16:28,100 --> 00:16:30,940 S10: it had been colonised. Now you get accused of being 309 00:16:30,980 --> 00:16:33,300 S10: a racist if you say that. But can you imagine 310 00:16:33,300 --> 00:16:38,410 S10: this today or tomorrow for you. In the UK, there 311 00:16:38,410 --> 00:16:42,370 S10: will be an election in Manchester where a possible likely 312 00:16:42,370 --> 00:16:47,410 S10: winner is the green candidate who issued election videos in 313 00:16:47,410 --> 00:16:52,690 S10: England in Urdu, dressed in Muslim clothing and featuring negative 314 00:16:52,690 --> 00:16:57,810 S10: images of Benjamin Netanyahu and Modi from India. It's sectarian 315 00:16:57,810 --> 00:17:00,690 S10: politics come to the UK. It's a warning to the 316 00:17:00,730 --> 00:17:01,610 S10: US as well. 317 00:17:02,130 --> 00:17:04,050 S1: David, this is such an important topic. I'd love to 318 00:17:04,050 --> 00:17:06,050 S1: pick it up on the other side, especially since you're 319 00:17:06,050 --> 00:17:08,170 S1: freshly back from the UK. I'd like to ask you 320 00:17:08,170 --> 00:17:10,850 S1: a couple of questions about what you observed compared to 321 00:17:10,850 --> 00:17:12,810 S1: what we're seeing here in the United States, and I 322 00:17:12,810 --> 00:17:15,410 S1: think this is a good watchword for us, this idea 323 00:17:15,410 --> 00:17:19,130 S1: of colonization. So, as you said, those who are advancing Islam, 324 00:17:19,130 --> 00:17:21,290 S1: they're being very forthright about it. The problem is those 325 00:17:21,290 --> 00:17:23,570 S1: who don't think when they tell you what they're going 326 00:17:23,570 --> 00:17:25,530 S1: to do, they're going to do it. So we need 327 00:17:25,530 --> 00:17:28,330 S1: to talk about this, particularly what the believers response is 328 00:17:28,330 --> 00:17:30,449 S1: supposed to be in the midst of this colonization. And 329 00:17:30,450 --> 00:17:33,090 S1: I think your word choice here is correct. David Robertson 330 00:17:33,090 --> 00:17:35,050 S1: is with us all the way from Down Under. Can't 331 00:17:35,050 --> 00:17:37,050 S1: believe the technology, but I just love it so we 332 00:17:37,050 --> 00:17:45,730 S1: can connect with him regularly back after this. We're visiting 333 00:17:45,730 --> 00:17:49,010 S1: with David Robertson, who joins us from Australia. He's recently 334 00:17:49,010 --> 00:17:51,490 S1: back from a trip to Scotland, where he served for many, 335 00:17:51,490 --> 00:17:54,649 S1: many years in Dundee and in the Highlands. And now 336 00:17:54,650 --> 00:17:57,770 S1: he's back home. But I'm really thankful that we have 337 00:17:57,770 --> 00:18:00,370 S1: this opportunity, David, to get from you an observation about 338 00:18:00,369 --> 00:18:03,889 S1: what's going on in the UK. So your idea of colonisation, 339 00:18:03,890 --> 00:18:06,050 S1: of this advancement that you see in the UK, I 340 00:18:06,050 --> 00:18:09,209 S1: think it's a cautionary tale. We need to be paying attention. 341 00:18:09,210 --> 00:18:11,690 S1: We're starting to see here in the United States movement 342 00:18:11,690 --> 00:18:14,570 S1: forward with Sharia courts, etc.. So that same sort of 343 00:18:14,609 --> 00:18:16,889 S1: thing were a couple of beats behind from what's happening 344 00:18:16,890 --> 00:18:19,970 S1: in the UK. But nonetheless, there is this same attempt 345 00:18:19,970 --> 00:18:22,930 S1: to do the same kind of infiltration is another word 346 00:18:22,930 --> 00:18:24,890 S1: we could use as well. So I want to ask you, 347 00:18:24,890 --> 00:18:28,010 S1: as a dad, um, if you knew that your children 348 00:18:28,010 --> 00:18:30,810 S1: going to a, we'll call them a public school. They're 349 00:18:30,850 --> 00:18:33,170 S1: government schools here in the United States, and they were 350 00:18:33,170 --> 00:18:35,290 S1: told that they had to be taught how to put 351 00:18:35,290 --> 00:18:38,369 S1: on a hijab and pray to Allah. What would your 352 00:18:38,369 --> 00:18:39,090 S1: reaction be? 353 00:18:40,890 --> 00:18:42,530 S10: Uh, I would be taking them at the school. 354 00:18:42,890 --> 00:18:43,369 S1: Me too. 355 00:18:43,609 --> 00:18:46,570 S10: Me too. And, uh. Without question. And I would go, 356 00:18:46,609 --> 00:18:50,810 S10: I remember, um, uh, you know, the this process, by 357 00:18:50,810 --> 00:18:52,770 S10: the way, has been going on for years and years 358 00:18:52,770 --> 00:18:54,889 S10: and years. And this is also true in the US, 359 00:18:54,930 --> 00:19:00,490 S10: with my limited knowledge. Let me suggest that the creation 360 00:19:00,490 --> 00:19:07,490 S10: of state schools as indoctrination centers for secular, left wing, 361 00:19:07,530 --> 00:19:13,649 S10: inverted commas, progressive ideologies has been going on for three decades. And, 362 00:19:13,690 --> 00:19:16,610 S10: you know, I remember my, uh. Well, my daughter is 363 00:19:16,609 --> 00:19:19,010 S10: now in her 30s. She wouldn't thank me for telling 364 00:19:19,010 --> 00:19:22,969 S10: you that. But, um, I remember going to her primary school, 365 00:19:22,970 --> 00:19:27,490 S10: and I got in trouble for praying at a school 366 00:19:27,490 --> 00:19:31,169 S10: assembly and asking the children to close their eyes and 367 00:19:31,170 --> 00:19:33,129 S10: put their hands together. And I was told, that's not 368 00:19:33,170 --> 00:19:36,250 S10: what we do. We know it's an act of Christian worship, 369 00:19:36,250 --> 00:19:37,929 S10: but we lead people to the point of worship. We 370 00:19:37,970 --> 00:19:39,810 S10: don't ask them to do it. And yes, they did. 371 00:19:40,090 --> 00:19:44,970 S10: And I remember being, uh, resigning as the school chaplain, 372 00:19:45,970 --> 00:19:49,450 S10: but also saying to them, my children will still come here, 373 00:19:49,450 --> 00:19:52,010 S10: but if you ever teach them anything contrary to what 374 00:19:52,010 --> 00:19:55,290 S10: they learn at home, I'm coming in and creating trouble 375 00:19:55,290 --> 00:19:57,770 S10: for you, you know. And I said, I sit down 376 00:19:57,770 --> 00:19:59,930 S10: with my kids every night and we talk about what's 377 00:19:59,930 --> 00:20:04,330 S10: being taught. And, you know, that's to be honest, that's 378 00:20:04,330 --> 00:20:10,370 S10: fine for me. But I think that many other parents, 379 00:20:10,570 --> 00:20:13,210 S10: and especially non-Christian parents, wouldn't have a clue what was 380 00:20:13,210 --> 00:20:18,090 S10: going on. You know, I mean, do parents know that 381 00:20:18,090 --> 00:20:22,410 S10: their kids are being taught that they can be male 382 00:20:22,410 --> 00:20:25,370 S10: or female, that it's their choice? Do they know that 383 00:20:25,369 --> 00:20:29,290 S10: they're being taught that to be opposed to Islam Is 384 00:20:29,290 --> 00:20:33,930 S10: racist and Islamophobic. Of course. I mean, do they know 385 00:20:33,930 --> 00:20:38,010 S10: these things? Now, see, I come from a very different position, 386 00:20:38,010 --> 00:20:40,290 S10: and I call it a Christian position that I have 387 00:20:40,290 --> 00:20:43,609 S10: to love my Muslim neighbor. And the most loving thing 388 00:20:43,609 --> 00:20:47,730 S10: for my Muslim neighbor is to introduce them to Jesus Christ, 389 00:20:48,210 --> 00:20:52,050 S10: because there is no salvation in Islam. And from there 390 00:20:52,090 --> 00:20:54,090 S10: are two levels at which we approach this. One is 391 00:20:54,090 --> 00:20:57,250 S10: the personal level and what I would call the relationship 392 00:20:57,250 --> 00:21:00,450 S10: level with the Muslim who lives down the road from you. 393 00:21:00,609 --> 00:21:04,770 S10: And with that, you show kindness. You seek to to 394 00:21:04,810 --> 00:21:08,650 S10: share what you can and you seek to find points 395 00:21:08,650 --> 00:21:13,490 S10: of connect. But then there's the political and cultural level. 396 00:21:14,130 --> 00:21:16,290 S10: And the minute now you can see this happening in 397 00:21:16,290 --> 00:21:19,130 S10: New York. I'm watching this and I'm thinking, do any 398 00:21:19,130 --> 00:21:23,409 S10: New Yorkers have buyer's regret yet to hear the Quran 399 00:21:23,410 --> 00:21:28,609 S10: being cited as authority by Mamdani? To hear him at 400 00:21:28,609 --> 00:21:33,090 S10: a muslim service, where a chapter was read from the Quran, 401 00:21:33,090 --> 00:21:36,290 S10: which talks about killing those who are opposed to Allah, 402 00:21:36,609 --> 00:21:40,450 S10: and Him being there saying nothing about it. To see 403 00:21:40,450 --> 00:21:45,649 S10: that in New York, what is it? 25 years since 404 00:21:45,650 --> 00:21:50,889 S10: nine over 11 where Islamic fundamentalists killed thousands? And to 405 00:21:50,890 --> 00:21:52,530 S10: see that in New York I look and I shake 406 00:21:52,530 --> 00:21:54,210 S10: my head and say, what are you doing, America? You 407 00:21:54,210 --> 00:21:58,930 S10: committing suicide? Because that to me is is what is happening. 408 00:21:58,970 --> 00:22:03,609 S10: You know that. I think it was Christopher Hitchens who was, um, uh, 409 00:22:03,609 --> 00:22:06,850 S10: an atheist, very strong atheist, unlike his brother Peter. 410 00:22:06,890 --> 00:22:07,490 S1: That's right. 411 00:22:08,130 --> 00:22:12,490 S10: And Christopher Hitchens, in a discussion with Professor John Lennox 412 00:22:12,490 --> 00:22:15,450 S10: of the University of Oxford, came out with this. It 413 00:22:15,450 --> 00:22:17,650 S10: may even have been as much as 20 years ago 414 00:22:18,090 --> 00:22:21,010 S10: where he said he warned church leaders. As an atheist, 415 00:22:21,010 --> 00:22:25,530 S10: he warned church leaders, it's you do not let the 416 00:22:25,690 --> 00:22:29,730 S10: barbarians in the gate. And he said, it's the barbarians within. 417 00:22:29,730 --> 00:22:32,250 S10: And he said. And he said to church leaders, I 418 00:22:32,290 --> 00:22:37,609 S10: see you in particular encouraging this group to come into 419 00:22:37,609 --> 00:22:42,169 S10: a culture which they wish to destroy. And I genuinely 420 00:22:42,609 --> 00:22:44,970 S10: I see it happening all the time. And I just 421 00:22:44,970 --> 00:22:48,409 S10: want to keep repeating, I love my Muslim neighbors. I, 422 00:22:48,690 --> 00:22:50,370 S10: you know, there are things I can admire, I can 423 00:22:50,369 --> 00:22:53,450 S10: admire on Turkish Airlines. You've got the times of prayer 424 00:22:53,450 --> 00:22:56,810 S10: that come up. Imagine that on American Airlines or United 425 00:22:56,810 --> 00:22:59,450 S10: or something. You know, it's time for Christians to pray. 426 00:22:59,490 --> 00:23:02,130 S10: You know, here's your Bible verse for the day. They'd 427 00:23:02,130 --> 00:23:05,169 S10: get sued to nonsense by the ACLU or something. You know, 428 00:23:05,170 --> 00:23:11,130 S10: I mean, it's there are two very different setups here, 429 00:23:11,450 --> 00:23:14,210 S10: but I have no doubt whatsoever that it only takes 430 00:23:14,210 --> 00:23:18,090 S10: about 10 to 15% of a community or a city 431 00:23:18,410 --> 00:23:22,490 S10: to be Muslim for that community and city to be changed. 432 00:23:23,010 --> 00:23:26,320 S10: But there but for the grace of God. Irrevocably. And 433 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,720 S10: you're seeing this in America. You're seeing it in Minnesota 434 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,120 S10: and elsewhere. I mean, obviously I'm not there, but I 435 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:33,920 S10: do read and I do observe, and I read a 436 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,280 S10: wide variety of of sources. And what I see happening 437 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,320 S10: in the UK, I see happening in the US. I 438 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,800 S10: think that Europe and the UK are too far gone 439 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,440 S10: to really do anything about it, but I don't think 440 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,919 S10: the US is. So I guess it's a kind of 441 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,000 S10: warning I'm issuing. 442 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,399 S1: Exactly. And it's an imperative that we listen to that warning. 443 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,800 S1: I still have a couple of questions, because I loved 444 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,600 S1: what you said, and I want to certainly I want 445 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,880 S1: to underscore this for our listeners as well. It's not 446 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,760 S1: an either or. It is a both end. We still 447 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,200 S1: love our Muslim neighbors. We want them to know Christ 448 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,000 S1: as their personal savior, particularly because they're offered no plan 449 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,160 S1: of salvation in the Quran. It's simply a scale of 450 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,560 S1: waiting an angel on one side for good things, an 451 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,160 S1: angel on the other for bad things. And they sift 452 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,359 S1: and weigh. And in the end, you hope that Allah 453 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,520 S1: says you had more good than bad. And maybe, just maybe, 454 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,040 S1: you might enter into Paradise. There's no hope there. There's 455 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,639 S1: no connecting with the loving God who loves you unconditionally 456 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,040 S1: that we never abandoned. But what do you do when 457 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,840 S1: this is also a governmental structure and it's moving steadfastly 458 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,840 S1: into completely redefine a culture and make demands. We'll talk 459 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:56,320 S1: more about that when we get back. Jesus told us 460 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,320 S1: to go into the world and not run away from it, 461 00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:59,960 S1: and he didn't say it would be easy in the 462 00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:02,080 S1: market with Janet. Partial is a program designed to come 463 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,840 S1: alongside and walk with you into the marketplace of ideas. 464 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,199 S1: Partial partners are those friends who support our program on 465 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,080 S1: a regular monthly basis. They know the mandate of influencing 466 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,639 S1: and occupying until he comes. So why don't you become 467 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,760 S1: part of the inner circle of support? Call 877 Janet 468 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,720 S1: 58 or go to in the market with Janet Parshall. 469 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,479 S1: We're visiting with David Robertson. He joins us. Thank you 470 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:28,040 S1: God for this technology from Australia. It's tomorrow there. Not tonight. 471 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,600 S1: And I'm so glad that he's back from Scotland where 472 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,720 S1: it took him 50 hours to get home. Flew by 473 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,000 S1: way of Turkish Airlines, which really opened up a fascinating 474 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,000 S1: conversation about Islam, which is where we are right now. 475 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,040 S1: By the way, David has served for 33 years in Scotland, 476 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,960 S1: in the Dundee area and in the Highlands. He's now 477 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,880 S1: in Australia, been there since 2019. He works as an 478 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,560 S1: evangelist with Sydney Anglicans. He currently serves as the minister 479 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,160 S1: of Scots Kirk Presbyterian Church in Hamilton, Newcastle, New South Wales, 480 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,199 S1: and now he has a radio program on Rhema FM 481 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,520 S1: and it's called beauty for ashes. He blogs still very much. 482 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,919 S1: I'm thankful for this at the wee Philly.com, the wee Philly.com, 483 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,840 S1: and I've got a link on my website so that 484 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,040 S1: you can follow that. And he always wonderful things, biblically 485 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,280 S1: insightful things. As a wonderful biblical apologist about what's happening 486 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,640 S1: in the world around us. So you make an excellent 487 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,400 S1: and important point for the believer who is growing up 488 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,760 S1: in God, who is getting off that diet of milk, 489 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,840 S1: who's getting some spiritual heft on their bones to be 490 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,760 S1: thinking biblically and critically about the world around us? So 491 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,840 S1: he's not willing that any should perish, but that all 492 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,160 S1: should come to repentance. So it never negates the Great 493 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,200 S1: Commission to share the gospel of Jesus Christ with any 494 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,200 S1: and everyone of any people in our sphere of influence, 495 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,840 S1: including but not limited to our Muslim friends. But that 496 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,560 S1: also means that there is a movement forward through their 497 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,320 S1: political structure, and Islam is, at its core, a political structure. 498 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,320 S1: And I think that's difficult for some people to grasp. 499 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,720 S1: So we're we're looking at the UK as a case 500 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,960 S1: study because, as I noted earlier, the United States is 501 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,000 S1: a couple of beats behind. But what's happening on the 502 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,080 S1: other side of the pond is going to happen here. 503 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,640 S1: I've lost count of how many mayors now in different 504 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,960 S1: city centers in the UK are Muslims. It's just absolutely 505 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,280 S1: amazing to me. But I'm even more concerned because now 506 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,680 S1: we're starting to hear stories of reports where you've got, 507 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,000 S1: for example, in Wales, they want to have parks where 508 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,320 S1: no dogs are allowed because in the world of Islam, 509 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,240 S1: dogs are not pets. They're hurting working dogs and you 510 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,280 S1: do not allow them to come into the house. In fact, 511 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,239 S1: there's a belief that an angel won't come into your 512 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,119 S1: house if there's a dog in your house, particularly if 513 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,200 S1: it's a black dog. You are supposed to kill the dog. 514 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,960 S1: There's this whole thing about dogs in Islam, and so 515 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,000 S1: the government in the UK and more and more of 516 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,560 S1: these governmental communities are saying, oh, you can't walk your 517 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,040 S1: dog here. It might be an offence. And then kids 518 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,640 S1: in the UK are being told, oh, you can't have 519 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,439 S1: pork in your lunch. It might be an offence to 520 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,280 S1: someone who's a muslim. And then, oh, we're going to 521 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,680 S1: allow prayer in downtown London. But no, we're not going 522 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,960 S1: to allow you to share the gospel of Jesus Christ 523 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,080 S1: on the Corner Street in London, because that might be 524 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,480 S1: an offence. I saw a picture today of a McDonald's 525 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,640 S1: because of Ramadan, where no pictures of meat were allowed 526 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,919 S1: to be shown because it, quote, might be an offence. 527 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,640 S1: Now I understand that. But in the United States we 528 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,200 S1: are a pluralistic society, which means you don't give due 529 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,439 S1: deference or preference to one particular religion. If what they 530 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,080 S1: were doing in the UK was right here in the 531 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,119 S1: United States, you'd have to give that same kind of 532 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,200 S1: due deference to Christians, to Buddhists, to Buddhists, to Hindus 533 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,359 S1: and Scientologists. You don't see that. And I don't know 534 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,840 S1: what it is, David, about this bowing and acquiescence to 535 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,040 S1: the demands. And that's what they are. They're not requests. 536 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,800 S1: They're demands made by the governmental aspects of Islam. So 537 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,520 S1: what's going on? And how do we say, sorry, we're 538 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,080 S1: pluralistic nation. We're not going to move in that direction. 539 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:42,480 S10: Okay. Um, do you know, uh, you obviously know Michael Youssef. 540 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:43,800 S1: Yes. Very well. 541 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,200 S10: Yeah, yeah. Well, he has a new book coming out. 542 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,440 S10: I'm not sure if it's out yet. And he. So 543 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,920 S10: he's very perceptive and he's picked up on something which 544 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,520 S10: I've been trying to say for a while. And he 545 00:28:54,520 --> 00:29:00,240 S10: talks about the green Red Alliance, which is really Islam 546 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,400 S10: allying itself with far left. Not, you know, not not 547 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:09,480 S10: ordinary socialists, but far left socialists. Communists, you know, now, 548 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,520 S10: how can this happen? Because, you know, you know, you've 549 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,630 S10: got this ridiculous thing, um, queers for Gaza, Sir. Which 550 00:29:15,630 --> 00:29:17,950 S10: is so ironic because if queers went to Gaza, they'd 551 00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:22,510 S10: be killed. But they in the postmodern mindset. So here's 552 00:29:22,510 --> 00:29:26,910 S10: what's happening. They unite on this one issue that they're 553 00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:33,110 S10: Anti-west Islam is anti-west. International socialism is anti-west. So that's 554 00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:35,710 S10: how they unite. Now, of course, when they come to power, 555 00:29:35,710 --> 00:29:39,870 S10: as we've seen in various UK towns and cities, that 556 00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:43,430 S10: the minute that happens, the left either get thrown out 557 00:29:43,710 --> 00:29:47,030 S10: or they have to compromise to the extent that they 558 00:29:47,030 --> 00:29:52,709 S10: adopt Islamic practices. Um, and so I think what's happening is, 559 00:29:52,990 --> 00:29:55,270 S10: I mean, okay, the bigger picture and you have to 560 00:29:55,270 --> 00:29:57,510 S10: be careful in saying this, but from a Christian should 561 00:29:57,510 --> 00:30:00,270 S10: understand this. I don't think anyone else would. I think 562 00:30:00,310 --> 00:30:03,750 S10: the devil just hates humanity. And he hates the church, 563 00:30:04,110 --> 00:30:09,470 S10: and he hates the what Western liberal democracies largely have 564 00:30:09,470 --> 00:30:11,870 S10: stood for. Not always, and they've not been perfect at all. 565 00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:16,790 S10: So it's an attempt to destroy. It's an attempt to deconstruct. 566 00:30:16,790 --> 00:30:19,830 S10: And it's very interesting that in American universities, the whole 567 00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:23,950 S10: process of deconstruction is seen in things like decolonization, you know, 568 00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:29,230 S10: decolonize history, um, and Decolonize Science. And so there's a 569 00:30:29,230 --> 00:30:32,470 S10: classic I was reading recently, which is hilarious, but true 570 00:30:33,030 --> 00:30:37,110 S10: that in something called glaciology, which is looking at glaciers, 571 00:30:37,670 --> 00:30:41,030 S10: there was a report put out which was funded by 572 00:30:41,030 --> 00:30:48,590 S10: the US government, in which the report condemned, uh, glaciologists 573 00:30:48,590 --> 00:30:55,110 S10: for being, uh, sexist, uh, not feminist and not indigenous enough. 574 00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:58,670 S10: And apparently somewhere on the planet, there's an indigenous belief 575 00:30:58,830 --> 00:31:02,270 S10: that when glaciers, when you cook pork near a glacier, 576 00:31:02,270 --> 00:31:05,870 S10: it smells it and moves away. And when this report was, uh, 577 00:31:05,870 --> 00:31:08,230 S10: somebody was writing a report on the movement of glaciers, 578 00:31:08,430 --> 00:31:11,910 S10: and the the authors behind this report went and asked them, 579 00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:15,190 S10: why do you not take into account that the glaciers 580 00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:18,190 S10: are smelling pork? And they just shut the door and 581 00:31:18,190 --> 00:31:21,430 S10: laughed as you would? Um, and this was apparently a 582 00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:25,190 S10: result of indigenous bias and so on. So that's the craziness. 583 00:31:25,230 --> 00:31:29,510 S10: It's a craziness which allows a proto fascist ideology to 584 00:31:29,550 --> 00:31:33,350 S10: unite with a communist ideology in order to destroy. They 585 00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:36,830 S10: can't build. They can only destroy. Um, I knew that 586 00:31:36,830 --> 00:31:39,790 S10: when I, when I saw Mandani being elected, I thought, oh, 587 00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:42,750 S10: Lord have mercy on New York, because you have you 588 00:31:42,790 --> 00:31:47,150 S10: have invited destruction in, you know. And if he did 589 00:31:47,150 --> 00:31:49,270 S10: what he said he was going to do, and it 590 00:31:49,270 --> 00:31:51,510 S10: would be destructive whether whether he does it or not, 591 00:31:51,550 --> 00:31:57,190 S10: who knows? Although I understand already there have been significant, uh, 592 00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:59,510 S10: movements which are making people regret things. So that's where 593 00:31:59,510 --> 00:32:04,110 S10: I'm coming from. I'm suggesting that, uh, it's not some 594 00:32:04,110 --> 00:32:09,590 S10: kind of big conspiracy theory. It's just stupidity because people 595 00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:12,670 S10: are deceived by the forces of darkness. 596 00:32:12,910 --> 00:32:16,390 S1: Exactly, exactly. Well, to that point, you wrote a wonderful 597 00:32:16,390 --> 00:32:19,510 S1: piece in Christian today with a headline that says the 598 00:32:19,510 --> 00:32:23,350 S1: problem with Labor's Islamophobia definition. Now, this is such a 599 00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:26,110 S1: prescient issue because David, here in my own state, the 600 00:32:26,110 --> 00:32:28,870 S1: Commonwealth of Virginia, we've got a new governor that has 601 00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:33,310 S1: also introduced is that idea of Islamophobia with which, if 602 00:32:33,310 --> 00:32:35,750 S1: applied the way the language is currently written, no pastor 603 00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:38,229 S1: could ever say, Jesus is the way, the truth and 604 00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:41,110 S1: the life, no other way to the father but through 605 00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:45,030 S1: the son. And then say that all other religions are false, including. 606 00:32:45,030 --> 00:32:47,870 S1: And if you mentioned Islam in that list, boom, you 607 00:32:47,910 --> 00:32:50,590 S1: hit the tripwire of Islamophobia. Talk to me about this 608 00:32:50,590 --> 00:32:52,270 S1: piece that you wrote at the end of January. 609 00:32:53,710 --> 00:32:56,990 S10: Yeah. So it's this it's this idea of Islamophobic. You know, 610 00:32:57,030 --> 00:33:01,070 S10: people make phobic about everything except, by the way, the phobia. Exactly. 611 00:33:01,590 --> 00:33:06,350 S10: Which is, you know, which is hugely ironic, but I mean, 612 00:33:06,910 --> 00:33:10,110 S10: Islamophobia is the fear of Islam. And my view is 613 00:33:10,110 --> 00:33:16,750 S10: that if the UK government passes its proposed blasphemy law. Uh, really, 614 00:33:16,790 --> 00:33:19,030 S10: as regards Islamophobia, if I went back to the UK, 615 00:33:19,070 --> 00:33:21,590 S10: I'd be liable for jail. I mean, I've just written 616 00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:24,190 S10: an article for Christian today, as I said, on on Immigration. 617 00:33:24,190 --> 00:33:27,390 S10: In fact, um, my podcast, beauty for ashes will be 618 00:33:27,390 --> 00:33:31,670 S10: going out tomorrow, right? Friday morning. Our time. Thursday your time. 619 00:33:31,670 --> 00:33:34,950 S10: I think, um, I'll be going out tomorrow. And I've 620 00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:38,510 S10: done it on immigration and I've mentioned particularly Islamic immigration. 621 00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:44,470 S10: The irony here is that I could be sent to 622 00:33:44,510 --> 00:33:48,750 S10: jail for that, even here in Australia. Wow. Um, so Islamophobia, 623 00:33:48,790 --> 00:33:52,870 S10: as again, as Christopher Hitchens said, uh, forgive the the language, 624 00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:56,830 S10: but he said it's a word made up by morons to, 625 00:33:57,510 --> 00:34:00,990 S10: you know, to control people. And the whole idea is 626 00:34:00,990 --> 00:34:06,070 S10: controlling people. Now, I wouldn't I'm not an islamophobe because 627 00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:09,589 S10: I don't ultimately fear Islam. I know that Christ wins, 628 00:34:10,110 --> 00:34:12,989 S10: you know, and it doesn't matter. I mean, right now 629 00:34:12,989 --> 00:34:18,150 S10: in Iran, the majority of people are no longer attending mosques, 630 00:34:18,630 --> 00:34:21,750 S10: and there are reports of credible reports of at least 631 00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:26,470 S10: 1 million people becoming Christians. You know, Jesus isn't defeated 632 00:34:26,469 --> 00:34:31,469 S10: by the darkness, but that still doesn't stop us challenging 633 00:34:31,469 --> 00:34:35,030 S10: the darkness, you know, and and I and I always will. 634 00:34:35,550 --> 00:34:39,229 S10: But Islamophobia is a word that is being used to 635 00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:42,710 S10: silence people. You cannot be critical of Islam. And sadly, 636 00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:44,750 S10: that's the case within the church. So the Baptist minister 637 00:34:44,750 --> 00:34:48,230 S10: in England, Steve Chalke, recently recorded a conversation with a 638 00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:52,270 S10: muslim woman saying how much they had in common. And 639 00:34:52,270 --> 00:34:56,230 S10: there were a group of sadly, largely well, I was 640 00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:58,350 S10: going to say largely evangelical, but certainly signed by some 641 00:34:58,350 --> 00:35:01,630 S10: evangelical pastors who sent a letter warning of the dangers 642 00:35:01,630 --> 00:35:07,950 S10: of Islamophobia. And the Archbishop of Canterbury welcomed, Muslims and 643 00:35:08,190 --> 00:35:12,150 S10: on Ramadan and you know us blessed Ramadan well. Ramadan 644 00:35:12,430 --> 00:35:16,950 S10: recalls Islamic victories and calls for people to submit to Allah. 645 00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:22,350 S10: Liverpool Football Club had the Islamic call to prayer. And again, 646 00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:26,230 S10: you're seeing this in New York, this announcement call to prayer. 647 00:35:26,350 --> 00:35:29,430 S10: It's not the cute, cuddly thing that you know. If 648 00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:31,989 S10: you're a Southern Baptist in Texas, you might think, you know, 649 00:35:32,030 --> 00:35:36,630 S10: if that's your background, this is a Call of supremacy, 650 00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:40,990 S10: you know, why do they need to broadcast it on 651 00:35:40,989 --> 00:35:45,509 S10: loudspeakers across the whole city? Can you imagine what would 652 00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:49,350 S10: happen if any Christian church did that? A call to prayer. 653 00:35:50,270 --> 00:35:52,669 S10: You know, we'd be accused of breaking the constitution. We'd 654 00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:55,990 S10: be accused of noise violations. There'd be so many different things. 655 00:35:56,310 --> 00:36:00,590 S10: But if a mosque does it to critique, it is Islamophobic. 656 00:36:00,790 --> 00:36:05,140 S10: You and I are having this conversation is Islamophobic in Canada, 657 00:36:05,660 --> 00:36:09,180 S10: we'd probably be shut down or offered euthanasia, you know, 658 00:36:09,219 --> 00:36:14,100 S10: because we're incurable, you know? I mean, it's it's, um, 659 00:36:14,420 --> 00:36:16,219 S10: you know, I mean, I shouldn't say these things, but 660 00:36:16,219 --> 00:36:19,299 S10: I smiled when the American hockey team and that ridiculous 661 00:36:19,300 --> 00:36:21,980 S10: meme of President Trump playing hockey against Canada, which people 662 00:36:21,980 --> 00:36:24,060 S10: have got up in arms about. I just thought it 663 00:36:24,060 --> 00:36:26,820 S10: was really funny sense of humor, guys, you know? 664 00:36:26,980 --> 00:36:30,219 S1: Exactly, exactly. Oh, but I think our neighbors to the 665 00:36:30,219 --> 00:36:32,500 S1: north here won't forgive us for quite some time. But 666 00:36:32,500 --> 00:36:34,700 S1: last night, at the president's state of the Union address, 667 00:36:34,700 --> 00:36:36,739 S1: they all showed up with their gold medals around their neck. 668 00:36:36,780 --> 00:36:40,140 S1: That was very American moment for us when we come back. 669 00:36:40,180 --> 00:36:41,700 S1: You brought up Canada. I want to talk a little 670 00:36:41,739 --> 00:36:44,580 S1: bit about Mark Carney and some things he said recently, 671 00:36:44,620 --> 00:36:47,620 S1: and particularly from a biblical perspective, what it means back 672 00:36:47,620 --> 00:36:49,100 S1: after this with David Robertson. 673 00:36:57,540 --> 00:37:02,900 S11: The world has changed much since that last visit, and 674 00:37:02,900 --> 00:37:05,660 S11: I believe the progress that we have made in the 675 00:37:05,660 --> 00:37:13,060 S11: partnership sets us up well for the new world order. 676 00:37:13,980 --> 00:37:17,180 S12: Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney is touting a new strategic 677 00:37:17,180 --> 00:37:20,660 S12: partnership with China in talks with XI Jinping in Beijing, 678 00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:23,259 S12: as part of what he has said is a new 679 00:37:23,260 --> 00:37:26,620 S12: world order, in part due to the fallout from Trump 680 00:37:26,660 --> 00:37:29,580 S12: tariffs in the United States. Now, there's been a noticeable 681 00:37:29,620 --> 00:37:33,540 S12: tone shift from Ottawa towards Beijing as Carney wraps up 682 00:37:33,540 --> 00:37:36,820 S12: the first state visit to China by a Canadian leader 683 00:37:36,940 --> 00:37:40,700 S12: in more than eight years. Now, after a lengthy diplomatic chill, 684 00:37:40,739 --> 00:37:45,100 S12: the two nations have signed a series of agreements, including 685 00:37:45,140 --> 00:37:48,860 S12: an energy pact that could see more Chinese investment in 686 00:37:48,860 --> 00:37:53,220 S12: Canada and open up opportunities for China to buy more 687 00:37:53,219 --> 00:37:57,340 S12: Canadian oil and LNG. Also, in quite a breakthrough, Carney 688 00:37:57,380 --> 00:38:02,259 S12: says Canada will allow 40,000 Chinese electric vehicles into Canada 689 00:38:02,300 --> 00:38:08,540 S12: at a tariff of just 6.1%, down from 100%. See. Reciprocated, 690 00:38:08,580 --> 00:38:12,460 S12: according to Carney, by reducing its 100% tariff on canola 691 00:38:12,580 --> 00:38:17,060 S12: or rapeseed to 15%. XI Jinping hailed the talks as 692 00:38:17,060 --> 00:38:19,980 S12: having achieved positive results. 693 00:38:20,340 --> 00:38:20,740 S5: Mm. 694 00:38:21,620 --> 00:38:24,859 S1: What could possibly go wrong? We're talking to David Robertson, 695 00:38:24,860 --> 00:38:29,140 S1: who is, by the way, uh, wonderful blog blogger, excellent 696 00:38:29,140 --> 00:38:32,980 S1: radio host, tremendous writer. And he now is serving as 697 00:38:32,980 --> 00:38:36,660 S1: the minister of Scots Presbyterian Church in Hamilton, New Newcastle, 698 00:38:36,660 --> 00:38:39,660 S1: New South Wales. And he joins us from Australia. Okay, 699 00:38:39,700 --> 00:38:41,500 S1: so for people who don't know, Mark Carney is the 700 00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:44,259 S1: prime minister. Justin Trudeau stepped down and now we've got 701 00:38:44,260 --> 00:38:47,299 S1: Mark Carney. He was speaking at Davos, by the way 702 00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:50,020 S1: at the World Economic Forum. And he's touting he's heralding 703 00:38:50,020 --> 00:38:53,940 S1: this new economic relationship between Canada and Communist China. And the, quote, 704 00:38:53,980 --> 00:38:56,819 S1: New World Order. I don't know anybody within the sound 705 00:38:56,820 --> 00:38:59,060 S1: of our voices, David, who is a believer, who's walking 706 00:38:59,060 --> 00:39:01,140 S1: through life with the newspaper in one hand and the 707 00:39:01,140 --> 00:39:03,740 S1: Bible in the other, hears the word New World order 708 00:39:03,739 --> 00:39:06,420 S1: and goes, yippee! That's a great idea. Give me your 709 00:39:06,420 --> 00:39:07,260 S1: thoughts on this. 710 00:39:08,540 --> 00:39:11,900 S10: Well, um, as you know, I have impeccable taste in music. 711 00:39:12,140 --> 00:39:15,700 S10: And there is a there's a British band called The Who, 712 00:39:16,140 --> 00:39:20,219 S10: and they have a song, Won't Get Fooled Again, which, incidentally, 713 00:39:20,260 --> 00:39:24,620 S10: you should people should Google this. Their performance of that 714 00:39:24,620 --> 00:39:27,500 S10: at New York at the concert for the nine over 11, 715 00:39:27,820 --> 00:39:32,379 S10: you know, uh, firefighters and so on was unbelievable. And 716 00:39:32,420 --> 00:39:36,299 S10: it has the right amount of anger within it, but 717 00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:41,020 S10: also warning. So what was fascinating about his speech. Now, 718 00:39:41,060 --> 00:39:45,540 S10: Carney's a smart man. He's a very good speaker. And, 719 00:39:45,580 --> 00:39:50,020 S10: you know, he does say some good things. And, you know, 720 00:39:50,060 --> 00:39:53,580 S10: if he had any ounce of the gospel or Christianity 721 00:39:53,580 --> 00:39:55,180 S10: in him, he might make a good leader, but I 722 00:39:55,180 --> 00:39:58,860 S10: don't think he does. And one of the problems is 723 00:39:58,860 --> 00:40:02,420 S10: he admitted that the old world order was, and I'm 724 00:40:02,420 --> 00:40:07,540 S10: quoting him here, a pleasant fiction. He argued that we 725 00:40:07,580 --> 00:40:09,819 S10: knew the story of the international rules based order was 726 00:40:09,820 --> 00:40:13,340 S10: partially false, that the strongest would exempt themselves when convenient, 727 00:40:13,340 --> 00:40:16,500 S10: that trade rules were enforced asymmetrically. And we knew that 728 00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:20,219 S10: international law, applied with varying rigor, depended on the identity 729 00:40:20,219 --> 00:40:22,820 S10: of the accused or the victim. And here's the interesting 730 00:40:22,860 --> 00:40:25,180 S10: thing for Americans. He went on to argue that this 731 00:40:25,180 --> 00:40:29,980 S10: was only held together by American power, American hegemony, and 732 00:40:29,980 --> 00:40:32,620 S10: that the system no longer works. Basically, Trump's not playing 733 00:40:32,620 --> 00:40:36,500 S10: the game. And so he's suggesting a new world order, 734 00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:42,100 S10: which is based upon Canada, the EU and China. Now, 735 00:40:42,460 --> 00:40:45,300 S10: he called that in China. In China, he deliberately used 736 00:40:45,300 --> 00:40:47,900 S10: the word New World order. Incidentally, that was not reported 737 00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:52,260 S10: on Canadian television. And ironically, he said it would encompass 738 00:40:52,260 --> 00:40:57,339 S10: values such as respect for human rights in China, sustainable development, solidarity, 739 00:40:57,380 --> 00:41:00,259 S10: sovereignty and so on. At the same time, he said, 740 00:41:00,260 --> 00:41:03,660 S10: we have to defend Ukraine whilst China is funding Russia 741 00:41:03,660 --> 00:41:08,140 S10: to attack Ukraine. You know, I mean, it is extraordinary 742 00:41:08,140 --> 00:41:11,219 S10: the level of twistedness that people go to. The New 743 00:41:11,260 --> 00:41:14,819 S10: York Times thought this was one of the greatest speeches ever. Um, 744 00:41:15,060 --> 00:41:17,739 S10: Canadians are being told, you know, this man is a 745 00:41:17,739 --> 00:41:22,100 S10: is a new world leader. He talks about middle powers, 746 00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:23,940 S10: which sounds very Lord of the rings. And maybe Lord 747 00:41:23,940 --> 00:41:26,540 S10: of the rings is apposite in all of this, you know, 748 00:41:26,580 --> 00:41:29,739 S10: because I don't think I don't think, Kerry, let's put 749 00:41:29,739 --> 00:41:31,299 S10: it this way. I think care needs more on the 750 00:41:31,300 --> 00:41:33,939 S10: side of Sauron than than he is on the side 751 00:41:33,940 --> 00:41:38,540 S10: of Frodo. He probably he probably locked Frodo up. You know. But, um. 752 00:41:39,340 --> 00:41:41,820 S10: And you need to remember, Karen is not not an outsider. 753 00:41:41,820 --> 00:41:43,340 S10: He worked for the old World Order. He worked for 754 00:41:43,340 --> 00:41:46,900 S10: Goldman Sachs in Boston, London, New York, Tokyo and Toronto. 755 00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:49,299 S10: He was deputy governor of the Bank of England. And 756 00:41:49,300 --> 00:41:52,580 S10: he became the first non-British citizen, uh, Bank of Canada. 757 00:41:52,780 --> 00:41:55,380 S10: He was deputy governor. He became the first non-British citizen 758 00:41:55,380 --> 00:41:59,170 S10: to serve as governor of the Bank of England. He 759 00:41:59,170 --> 00:42:01,810 S10: served as the UN Secretary General's Special envoy on climate 760 00:42:01,810 --> 00:42:05,330 S10: action and finance. This is the ultimate insider, you know. 761 00:42:05,370 --> 00:42:07,650 S10: So when he's saying New World order, he's really saying, 762 00:42:07,930 --> 00:42:10,009 S10: we want to bring the old one back where people 763 00:42:10,010 --> 00:42:12,290 S10: like me are in charge and where we don't have 764 00:42:12,290 --> 00:42:16,210 S10: to worry too much about democracy and so on. And meanwhile, 765 00:42:16,210 --> 00:42:20,130 S10: in Canada, he's showing what these values are, because 5% 766 00:42:20,130 --> 00:42:23,730 S10: of people who die in Canada are euthanized, killed by 767 00:42:23,969 --> 00:42:28,969 S10: the Canadian state government. I mean, Canada should be one 768 00:42:28,969 --> 00:42:31,730 S10: of the richest countries in the world with all its resources. 769 00:42:32,170 --> 00:42:37,569 S10: And basically it's putting itself in debt to China. And 770 00:42:37,570 --> 00:42:39,450 S10: there's another side of this as well, which makes me 771 00:42:39,450 --> 00:42:43,290 S10: very wary. Cairney was the chair of Brookfield Asset Management, 772 00:42:43,290 --> 00:42:45,569 S10: which is an investment company which a couple of months 773 00:42:45,570 --> 00:42:48,730 S10: ago announced a 20 billion investment in Qatar, as well 774 00:42:48,730 --> 00:42:51,330 S10: as the 23 billion it's invested in China for helping 775 00:42:51,330 --> 00:42:54,370 S10: with AI. Canada just has a new deal with Qatar 776 00:42:54,610 --> 00:42:59,890 S10: that Cairney went to announce, which really benefits Brookfield Asset Management. 777 00:42:59,890 --> 00:43:02,930 S10: Although Cairney has no longer gets paid by them, he's 778 00:43:02,930 --> 00:43:05,250 S10: got stock options and deferred units to the tune of 779 00:43:05,570 --> 00:43:08,250 S10: nearly 7 million. So we've got to watch all of 780 00:43:08,250 --> 00:43:12,930 S10: this really, really carefully. He speaks really well, but I'm 781 00:43:12,969 --> 00:43:15,250 S10: not saying he's the devil, but the devil comes as 782 00:43:15,250 --> 00:43:17,049 S10: an angel of light, and I think there's a lot 783 00:43:17,090 --> 00:43:20,850 S10: of danger in the politics that he is espousing, and 784 00:43:20,850 --> 00:43:25,089 S10: especially his attitude to Christianity and Christian values. 785 00:43:25,450 --> 00:43:27,930 S1: And that I've got 30s left. So talk to my 786 00:43:27,930 --> 00:43:30,649 S1: friends who don't know this about it might be a 787 00:43:30,650 --> 00:43:33,410 S1: crime in Canada to read certain passages of Scripture. 788 00:43:34,410 --> 00:43:36,969 S10: Yes. So that was that is one thing as well, 789 00:43:37,010 --> 00:43:39,090 S10: because it's going to be deemed to be hate speech. 790 00:43:39,210 --> 00:43:42,569 S10: Hate speech. This is the state becoming God. And it's 791 00:43:42,570 --> 00:43:44,770 S10: not separation of church and state as you have in 792 00:43:44,770 --> 00:43:47,610 S10: the States and as we we should have. 793 00:43:48,250 --> 00:43:48,610 S5: Yeah. 794 00:43:48,650 --> 00:43:51,209 S1: Well, that went awfully fast, David, and I'm so glad 795 00:43:51,210 --> 00:43:53,250 S1: we spent as much time as we did. On your 796 00:43:53,250 --> 00:43:56,330 S1: experience on Turkish Airlines, which opened up the door to 797 00:43:56,370 --> 00:44:00,569 S1: your very insightful thoughts about this colonization of Islam and 798 00:44:00,570 --> 00:44:03,129 S1: what it's doing to change nations and what's happening in 799 00:44:03,130 --> 00:44:05,649 S1: the UK. We are seeing in Canada, we are seeing it, 800 00:44:05,650 --> 00:44:07,930 S1: I think, in short order in the United States as well. 801 00:44:08,090 --> 00:44:09,850 S1: I want to encourage my friends to be able to 802 00:44:09,890 --> 00:44:13,609 S1: follow you. The we really easy to remember what else 803 00:44:13,610 --> 00:44:17,210 S1: what a Scotsman call his podcast the we Philly.com. And 804 00:44:17,210 --> 00:44:18,930 S1: by the way, on the right hand side of the 805 00:44:18,930 --> 00:44:21,649 S1: information page, I've got the piece that David authored for 806 00:44:21,650 --> 00:44:25,330 S1: Christian today is Carney's Davos sermon The Way Forward. I 807 00:44:25,330 --> 00:44:27,850 S1: think you'll find it fascinating. It is amazing when you 808 00:44:27,850 --> 00:44:29,969 S1: have a biblical perspective, how you look at the world 809 00:44:29,969 --> 00:44:33,890 S1: around you in markedly different ways Bible in one hand, 810 00:44:33,890 --> 00:44:36,529 S1: newspaper in the other. David, get some rest. I'm so 811 00:44:36,530 --> 00:44:38,690 S1: glad you're back safe and sound. I hope your internal 812 00:44:38,690 --> 00:44:41,049 S1: clock gets rectified soon, and I'm going to look forward 813 00:44:41,050 --> 00:44:43,529 S1: to the next edition of beauty for ashes and your 814 00:44:43,530 --> 00:44:46,170 S1: next posted article. Thank you friend. Thank you friends. We'll 815 00:44:46,170 --> 00:44:48,570 S1: see you next time on In the Market with Janet Parshall.