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S7: way we can understand it now in a systematic way

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S7: until the Reformation. Uh, so does that mean the doctrine

441
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S7: of salvation itself? It could have went any direction. No.

442
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S7: It's important for us to nail these things down. And

443
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S7: and like we've already highlighted, we do push for unity

444
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S7: around these, these things where there's differing opinions. But I

445
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S7: believe when you look at Scripture and analyze it carefully

446
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S7: and again, let's use the plain sense version of interpretation.

447
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S7: Let Scripture tell you what it what it means, you know,

448
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S7: being truthful and honest to the authorial intent. You know,

449
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S7: looking at the actual words that are used, understanding the

450
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S7: audience that was giving it to all of these things

451
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S7: do inform us and I think give us a a

452
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S7: clear picture. And as I mentioned you have the pre,

453
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S7: mid and post meaning the pre-trib rapture before the before

454
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S7: the tribulation starts. Mid-trib at the midpoint or post at

455
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S7: the end. I believe thoroughly as you said, you do

456
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S7: as well. Janet, that that the Bible supports a pre-trib rapture. Uh, thoroughly.

457
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S7: It's not even a question in my in my mind.

458
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S7: But again, I do make it an extreme effort to

459
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S7: show unity with my brothers and sisters who hold other views.

460
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S1: I love that it's graciousness. It's the idea of really

461
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S1: understanding that. And that's why I asked you the question

462
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S1: before is this a primary or a secondary? So you

463
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S1: can have gracious debate among brothers and sisters. But I

464
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S1: always say, so when we're pre-trib as we're going, I'm

465
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S1: just going to turn to those who disagreed and said,

466
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S1: told you. I mean, that's all I'm going to say, right?

467
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S7: Exactly.

468
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S1: So for argument's sake, let's talk about the preacher. I'm

469
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S1: being funny, by the way. You're you do your homework

470
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S1: and you come to your conclusion because you know what?

471
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S1: You have an instructor in the person of the Holy Spirit,

472
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S1: so you just roll up your sleeves. And as Todd

473
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S1: just said, study to show yourself approved. Don't take it

474
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S1: from Todd. Don't take it from me. You do your homework,

475
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S1: know what you believe, and know why you believe it.

476
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S1: You have a whole chapter, though I'm glad. Devoted to

477
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S1: why you think there's such a strong argument for the

478
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S1: pre-trib rapture. Talk to me about this.

479
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S7: Yes, absolutely. And that's one of the most common questions

480
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S7: I get is, well, what? What proof do you see? Um,

481
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S7: and there's several of them. I kind of give my,

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S7: my top ten in the book, and those are all

483
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S7: highlighted there. I won't go over all ten, but some

484
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S7: of the strongest ones are, you know, the church is

485
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S7: told that it's not going to go through the tribulation period.

486
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S7: If if somebody needs kind of a one verse argument

487
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S7: for the pre-trib rapture, I'd say please go read revelation 310. Yeah.

488
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S7: And it says that those who are will be, that

489
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S7: those who are righteous will be kept from, not through,

490
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S7: but from the hour of trial that will come upon

491
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S7: the whole earth. And this word from it's the Greek

492
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S7: word ek, which means physically removed from. So that's one

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S7: really key area. And I can share several more after

494
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S7: the break.

495
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S1: Excellent. Such a pro. You think you do a podcast

496
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S1: or something? Todd the latest book is called The Nonprofits

497
00:24:32,910 --> 00:24:35,550
S1: Guide to the rapture. It is marvelous. You know, I

498
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S1: told you that he's an illustrator and an animation producer.

499
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S1: His graphics are fabulous. More with Todd after this. What's

500
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:49,430
S1: the goal of in the market? I'll tell you in

501
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:51,990
S1: the market equips men and women to think critically and

502
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S1: act biblically. Why do we do this? So that we

503
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S1: can be confident when speaking the truth in a confused culture?

504
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:59,270
S1: Are you willing to stand with me? Become a partial

505
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S1: partner today, and enjoy exclusive benefits only my partners receive

506
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S1: while making an impact for the Kingdom? Call eight 7758

507
00:25:06,910 --> 00:25:09,350
S1: or go online to in the market with Janet Parshall.

508
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:15,270
S1: I always enjoy my conversations with Todd Hampson, and I'm

509
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S1: going to tell you why because he understands Scripture. You know,

510
00:25:18,530 --> 00:25:20,450
S1: he's no slouch, by the way. He got a master's

511
00:25:20,450 --> 00:25:24,450
S1: degree at Dallas Theological Seminary. Loves eschatology. 50 cent word.

512
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S1: That means the study of end times. And then God

513
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S1: gives him this uncanny ability to be an illustrator and animator.

514
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S1: And that's reflected in all of his books, by the way.

515
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S1: And if you don't believe me, just go to my

516
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S1: information page. You'll see the cover of two books I've

517
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S1: referenced there. But he's a speaker, an illustrator and animation producer,

518
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S1: and the author of the nonprofit's guide book series, by

519
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S1: the way. Todd referenced in the last segment, The Book

520
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S1: of Daniel. He's got the nonprofit's guide to the book

521
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S1: of Daniel. So there's just a whole bunch of titles

522
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S1: that he's got out there. He's the co-host of the

523
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S1: Prophecy Pros podcast, along with Jeff Kinsley, and his animation

524
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S1: company is called Timbuktu. Don't you love that? That's so great.

525
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S1: And he's done illustrations for a boatload of other Christian ministries.

526
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S1: So his latest is called The Nonprofit's Guide to the rapture.

527
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S1: And it's about this singular event that sort of kicks

528
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S1: it all off. And then I threw in another one

529
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S1: for good measure because it's on my desk. I just

530
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S1: love it. It's a great big book. It's called A

531
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S1: Visual Guide to the End Times, a complete survey of

532
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S1: the chronology and end times of the last days. So

533
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S1: it takes all the fear out of this and helps

534
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S1: you think linearly. And while there are all kinds of

535
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S1: events that are going to take place. Todd does this

536
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S1: marvelous job of just putting it in a cohesive order,

537
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S1: a systemic, um, a systematic theology way, not systemic. That's

538
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S1: a whole different thing, systematic theology, to really help you

539
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S1: understand end times. Now, let me go back because these

540
00:26:42,670 --> 00:26:45,350
S1: hours go too quickly with Todd. So we were making

541
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S1: the you were making the argument for the strong case,

542
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S1: for believing that biblically it is a pre-trib rapture. One

543
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S1: is the church is told we're not going to be

544
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S1: going through the tribulation. What's a couple of other arguments, Todd?

545
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S7: Yeah, just a couple of others. Just to kind of

546
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S7: reinforce that and show that it's thoroughly in Scripture is

547
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S7: just kind of, again, looking holistically at Scripture, looking at

548
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S7: all areas of eschatology. I referenced Daniel chapter nine in

549
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S7: Daniel chapter nine, where we get the seven year tribulation

550
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S7: information from. First, that that whole chapter is a distinctly

551
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S7: Jewish verse. So the seven year tribulation period is uniquely

552
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S7: and specifically focused on the Jewish people. Now there's Gentiles

553
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S7: who are there as well, and many of them get saved,

554
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S7: believe it or not, during that future tribulation period. But

555
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S7: the purpose and the focus of that period is on

556
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S7: the Jewish people, not the church. And to kind of

557
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S7: back that up, uh, Daniel and Revelation kind of link

558
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S7: arms and go hand in hand in seminaries. If you're

559
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S7: studying eschatology, you're typically going to study those two together.

560
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S7: And what you find is that in the book of revelation,

561
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S7: while the church is mentioned about 19 times in the

562
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S7: first three chapters, once the tribulation begins, it's not mentioned

563
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S7: at all. The church is not mentioned, uh, during that,

564
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S7: the entire 21 judgments of the future tribulation period. And

565
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S7: Paul even says a couple times in first and second

566
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S7: Thessalonians that we are not appointed to wrath and this

567
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S7: wrath that he's discussing is not just wrath in general, like, uh,

568
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S7: Hellfire or the Lake of Fire. He's talking specifically about

569
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S7: this future time period of God's wrath on earth. And

570
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S7: he says, we, the church, are not appointed to wrath.

571
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S7: And then lastly, if I could just cite two more

572
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S7: God's pattern of judgment in the Old Testament, whether you

573
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S7: look at Noah and the flood or Lot with Sodom

574
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S7: and Gomorrah, in both cases, God makes it a point

575
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S7: to get the righteous out first, and he makes it

576
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S7: a point to show his character aligns with getting the

577
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S7: righteous out so that the righteous aren't caught up in

578
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S7: the judgment of God against evil, and then kind of

579
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S7: linking arms with that. We have what Jesus used in

580
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S7: John 14. He said, if I go to prepare a

581
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S7: place for you, I will come again and receive you

582
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S7: to myself. Now his disciples knew that was Jewish wedding language.

583
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S7: So when Jesus is talking about this, he's saying he

584
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S7: was following the Jewish wedding traditions that the bride and

585
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S7: groom would be engaged. Then the groom would go back

586
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S7: to the father's house, build an attachment onto the father's house,

587
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S7: and when the father said it was ready, he'd send

588
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S7: the groom to go fetch his bride to bring her

589
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S7: back to the father's house. So that's the exact same

590
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S7: language that Jesus used in John, in John 14. And

591
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S7: I have several other reasons as well. One biggie is

592
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S7: one we mentioned earlier, and I'll kind of end this.

593
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S7: This with this one is the doctrine of imminency everywhere

594
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S7: that the return of the Lord is mentioned in the

595
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S7: New Testament, it's it's described in a way that it

596
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S7: could happen at any moment. And even the early church

597
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S7: knew this was only possible with a pre-tribulation rapture. If

598
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S7: the rapture could happen at any moment with no signs,

599
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S7: the only one that is possible is before the tribulation. Otherwise,

600
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S7: you have tons of signs to let you know that

601
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S7: the rapture is about to take place.

602
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S1: Yeah, yeah. Wow. You know, one of the things I

603
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S1: love about Scripture is the study of type and archetypes,

604
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S1: the way their symbolism as a foreshadowing and a telling,

605
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S1: and I like to put it this way. He tells

606
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S1: us and tells us and tells us again. So we

607
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S1: can't say we ain't been told. So you've got this

608
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S1: beautiful picture of Abraham being told to sacrifice his son Isaac.

609
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S1: It's a foreshadowing of what's going to happen with God's

610
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S1: only son. Hebrew word kid at the cross. The same thing.

611
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S1: So I love that because if he's not willing that

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S1: any should perish, but all should come to repentance. Wouldn't

613
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S1: it be just like our father to tell us and

614
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S1: tell us and tell us so in that vein, it

615
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S1: isn't just by accident that we have these stories where

616
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S1: we go. Yeah, it's so bizarre. I really don't know

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S1: what it means. Well, maybe God wants you if you

618
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S1: don't understand it in its totality, to at least get

619
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S1: a sense of a flavoring of what's to come. So

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S1: Enoch and Elijah and being taken away in fiery chariots and,

621
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S1: you know, not dying and all of why, I mean,

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S1: aside from being totally bizarre because it's not something we

623
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S1: see every day in postmodern America, don't you think that

624
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S1: God could have told us that for a myriad of reasons?

625
00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:04,390
S1: His ways are not our ways. His thoughts are far

626
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S1: above ours. But could he not have told us those

627
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S1: stories as a way of saying, I'm quite capable of

628
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S1: doing this. And here's a foreshadowing.

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S7: Yeah, that's a great point, Janet. I mean, a lot

630
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S7: of people who argue that the rapture is not in

631
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S7: Scripture do not take into account those Old Testament raptures. Uh,

632
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S7: the Hebrew word there is very similar to Harpazo in

633
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S7: the Greek in the New Testament. It's a physical removal. So, yeah,

634
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S7: out of the blue, we have these two incredible case

635
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S7: studies in the Old Testament of an Old Testament rapture. And, uh,

636
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S7: you know, in my pre, pre DTS days, I was

637
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S7: at University of Maryland taking film classes, and I should.

638
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S1: Have.

639
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S7: Prayed for you that one of my, one of my

640
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S7: professors said is a good director never puts anything on

641
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S7: the screen. That's not absolutely intentional. So if there's ever

642
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S7: a good director, God is the good director. So every

643
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S7: detail he puts in Scripture is there for a purpose.

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S7: And I believe those two case studies are there, along

645
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S7: with many others in the New Testament, to show us,

646
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S7: to give us, like you said, a type or a

647
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S7: foreshadow of what was to come on a much grander scale?

648
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S1: I love that. And then you also talk about a

649
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S1: myriad of examples of this in the New Testament as well.

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S1: So in other words, someone could say, well, it's not

651
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S1: mentioned by name. No, but it's that's an argument from silence.

652
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S1: The reality is when you see what God can do,

653
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S1: it lets us know what God can or will do

654
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S1: in the future. And I think that's important. So let

655
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S1: me go to some of the, the, the pragmatics about

656
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S1: the rapture, which people don't know about. Or maybe they're

657
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:34,470
S1: so afraid they don't want to think about it. So

658
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:37,350
S1: when the Scripture tells us that the dead in Christ

659
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:40,070
S1: will rise first, rise first, does that mean we're going

660
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:41,550
S1: to see a bunch of graves open up and dead

661
00:32:41,550 --> 00:32:43,030
S1: people are going to fly through the sky?

662
00:32:44,390 --> 00:32:47,550
S7: That's a good question. That is exactly what we read

663
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:52,550
S7: in first Thessalonians four, that the dead in Christ will

664
00:32:52,550 --> 00:32:56,430
S7: rise first. So they are with the Lord in their

665
00:32:56,430 --> 00:33:00,910
S7: spirit right now, at the moment of the rapture slash resurrection.

666
00:33:00,910 --> 00:33:02,950
S7: They're going to be raised to life with their new

667
00:33:03,090 --> 00:33:06,530
S7: glorified bodies. So it won't be some gruesome zombie thing.

668
00:33:06,530 --> 00:33:09,610
S7: They're going to be in their glorified bodies, fit for eternity.

669
00:33:10,050 --> 00:33:12,850
S7: And Paul makes it a point in first S4 to

670
00:33:12,850 --> 00:33:14,969
S7: tell us that the dead in Christ will rise first.

671
00:33:15,010 --> 00:33:18,290
S7: They've been waiting longer. They're about six feet deeper too,

672
00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:20,370
S7: so they need a little more time to get up.

673
00:33:20,890 --> 00:33:23,810
S7: And then it says, then we. After that, we who

674
00:33:23,850 --> 00:33:26,410
S7: are still alive and are left will be caught up

675
00:33:26,410 --> 00:33:27,530
S7: together with them.

676
00:33:27,770 --> 00:33:30,810
S1: Wow. Okay. So this opens a I was going to

677
00:33:30,810 --> 00:33:32,690
S1: say Pandora's box, but that's a negative. I'm not going

678
00:33:32,690 --> 00:33:35,010
S1: to do it that way. This opens up a wonderful

679
00:33:35,050 --> 00:33:38,810
S1: opportunity for other questions, which is Scripture does not speak

680
00:33:38,810 --> 00:33:42,090
S1: of purgatory. Scripture does not speak of soul sleep. So

681
00:33:42,090 --> 00:33:45,010
S1: when I'm raptured, where am I going?

682
00:33:46,010 --> 00:33:48,370
S7: That's a great question. Yeah. Paul said, to be absent

683
00:33:48,370 --> 00:33:50,930
S7: from the body is to be present with the Lord.

684
00:33:51,370 --> 00:33:54,050
S7: So even though there is a rapture when they receive

685
00:33:54,050 --> 00:33:58,290
S7: their glorified bodies, anybody who died in Christ is actually

686
00:33:58,290 --> 00:34:00,970
S7: with the Lord right now. That's the blessing of it

687
00:34:00,970 --> 00:34:03,550
S7: is is there's no soul sleep. Like you said, there's

688
00:34:03,550 --> 00:34:06,710
S7: no purgatory if you are in Christ, if your sins

689
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:08,630
S7: have been covered by the blood and you've accepted him

690
00:34:08,630 --> 00:34:11,190
S7: as your Savior, the moment you die, you go straight

691
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:13,870
S7: to be with the Lord. And even though you're in heaven,

692
00:34:13,870 --> 00:34:16,469
S7: you're still waiting for the amazing moment where you get

693
00:34:16,469 --> 00:34:19,510
S7: your glorified body and you have all these other amazing

694
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:22,430
S7: prophecies that the Lord has promised to be fulfilled. So

695
00:34:22,430 --> 00:34:24,589
S7: for the believer, whether you're dead in Christ or whether

696
00:34:24,590 --> 00:34:27,549
S7: you're still alive, you have nothing but future hope and

697
00:34:27,550 --> 00:34:29,190
S7: amazing things to look forward to.

698
00:34:29,350 --> 00:34:32,710
S1: Yeah, Amen to that. So we've been raptured. This is

699
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:35,550
S1: the first event and I'm taking the pre-trib position here.

700
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:38,110
S1: I'm with Jesus now. There's going to be seven years,

701
00:34:38,110 --> 00:34:40,190
S1: three and a half years of false peace. And then

702
00:34:40,190 --> 00:34:42,590
S1: the tribulation kicks in. And it's going to be really

703
00:34:42,590 --> 00:34:45,509
S1: rough in that period when I am absent from the

704
00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:48,270
S1: body and present with the Lord, I am with Christ.

705
00:34:48,750 --> 00:34:51,029
S1: Do you think Scripture tells us and I know, and

706
00:34:51,070 --> 00:34:53,110
S1: what I love, Todd, about your answers is being a

707
00:34:53,110 --> 00:34:55,069
S1: good DTS guy. You don't add to it. If it's

708
00:34:55,070 --> 00:34:56,549
S1: not there, you can't add to it, and you're not

709
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:58,670
S1: going to take away what is there. So I love that.

710
00:34:58,670 --> 00:35:01,450
S1: But will we do you think, brother or sister, do

711
00:35:01,450 --> 00:35:03,529
S1: you think that we'll have a vantage point to see

712
00:35:03,530 --> 00:35:06,050
S1: what is happening during those seven years?

713
00:35:06,930 --> 00:35:09,650
S7: That's a good question. I don't see anything crystal clear

714
00:35:09,650 --> 00:35:14,210
S7: in Scripture. Um, except for those martyrs from the tribulation

715
00:35:14,210 --> 00:35:16,009
S7: period who are crying out to the Lord, how long

716
00:35:16,050 --> 00:35:20,370
S7: must we wait before we are avenged? Also, I believe

717
00:35:20,410 --> 00:35:23,210
S7: there's scriptural support for the fact that one of the

718
00:35:23,210 --> 00:35:26,250
S7: key reasons that we're raptured, the first thing that happens is,

719
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S7: I believe we go to what's known as the Bema

720
00:35:28,090 --> 00:35:30,930
S7: Seat or the judgment seat of Christ to receive our

721
00:35:30,930 --> 00:35:33,970
S7: rewards at the end of the Book of Revelation, for example,

722
00:35:33,969 --> 00:35:37,489
S7: Jesus says, behold, I'm coming soon and my reward is

723
00:35:37,530 --> 00:35:40,690
S7: with me. And also, the next time you see the church,

724
00:35:40,690 --> 00:35:43,410
S7: they already have their wedding garments, so there's a lot

725
00:35:43,410 --> 00:35:45,530
S7: to unpack there that we don't have time to unpack.

726
00:35:45,530 --> 00:35:47,890
S7: But all that to say, I think those of us

727
00:35:47,890 --> 00:35:50,690
S7: who are raptured and receive our glorified bodies are going

728
00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:53,370
S7: to be so busy in heaven that we're going to

729
00:35:53,370 --> 00:35:56,770
S7: be just fixated on the Lord, fixated on the rewards

730
00:35:56,770 --> 00:35:59,629
S7: we're getting. And but I do think we'll probably have

731
00:35:59,630 --> 00:36:03,750
S7: some indication of what's going on down below. I think

732
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:06,790
S7: there's some, some, um, cases where you can see there's

733
00:36:06,830 --> 00:36:09,989
S7: a chronology. And of course, we return with the Lord

734
00:36:09,989 --> 00:36:12,430
S7: at the end of the tribulation period, at the moment

735
00:36:12,430 --> 00:36:14,750
S7: when he comes back to judge the earth. But I

736
00:36:14,750 --> 00:36:17,109
S7: think primarily we're going to be so enthralled with the

737
00:36:17,110 --> 00:36:20,629
S7: Lord himself, with the Bema Seat, with the eternal rewards

738
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:23,710
S7: and with the wedding itself. Uh, remember, he's the groom.

739
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:26,670
S7: Where the bride is the church. And there's this wedding

740
00:36:26,670 --> 00:36:29,230
S7: ceremony that takes place in heaven as well. So while

741
00:36:29,230 --> 00:36:31,589
S7: there's judgment on earth, there's a lot of things, great

742
00:36:31,590 --> 00:36:33,310
S7: things that are going to be happening in heaven at

743
00:36:33,310 --> 00:36:34,070
S7: the same time.

744
00:36:34,270 --> 00:36:37,230
S1: Amen. Can't wait more with Todd Hampson right after this.

745
00:36:52,510 --> 00:36:56,150
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746
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:58,730
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747
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S1: who's with us speaker, illustrator, animation producer and the author

748
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S1: of the whole long line of the Nonprofits Guides book series,

749
00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:08,290
S1: by the way. There's another one out there A Visual

750
00:37:08,290 --> 00:37:10,690
S1: Guide to the End Times, a complete survey of the

751
00:37:10,690 --> 00:37:13,290
S1: chronology and events of the last days. I put down

752
00:37:13,290 --> 00:37:16,170
S1: two resources for you to peruse. I could have put

753
00:37:16,170 --> 00:37:18,569
S1: down a dozen more, but they're both. Anything that Todd

754
00:37:18,570 --> 00:37:21,410
S1: does is absolutely excellent. So I'm going to I just

755
00:37:21,410 --> 00:37:23,729
S1: want to ask a real transparent question, because you talked

756
00:37:23,730 --> 00:37:25,089
S1: about and I'm with you, by the way, I'm not

757
00:37:25,090 --> 00:37:26,650
S1: going to be looking back. I'm going to be looking

758
00:37:26,650 --> 00:37:30,010
S1: forward and beholding him face to face. I don't I mean, I've,

759
00:37:30,410 --> 00:37:32,290
S1: I personally think my face will be in the dirt

760
00:37:32,290 --> 00:37:34,569
S1: for a million years before I feel I can raise

761
00:37:34,570 --> 00:37:37,370
S1: my face to finally behold holiness in all its glory.

762
00:37:37,370 --> 00:37:39,690
S1: So I don't know. That's a moment. But I'm going

763
00:37:39,690 --> 00:37:41,009
S1: to ask you, as a brother in the Lord, do

764
00:37:41,010 --> 00:37:44,570
S1: you have any full transparency? Do you have any fear

765
00:37:44,570 --> 00:37:47,290
S1: of the Bema Seat judgment? I mean, this is where

766
00:37:47,489 --> 00:37:51,370
S1: our works are evaluated right before him. And, you know,

767
00:37:51,450 --> 00:37:53,850
S1: Doctor Erwin Lutzer has an interesting theory about this because

768
00:37:53,850 --> 00:37:55,870
S1: we read in Scripture, there's no tears in heaven, but

769
00:37:55,870 --> 00:37:59,710
S1: we may grieve the opportunities that we squandered, where we

770
00:37:59,710 --> 00:38:02,870
S1: didn't share the faith, where we weren't fully obedient, where

771
00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:06,870
S1: we didn't walk in faith. Um, and I think, oh

772
00:38:06,910 --> 00:38:09,910
S1: my gosh, I, I'm not afraid because I'm going to

773
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:12,430
S1: be in his presence, but I don't want to be sad.

774
00:38:12,430 --> 00:38:13,750
S1: What do you think is going to happen?

775
00:38:13,989 --> 00:38:16,790
S7: Yeah, that's a great question. And to be clear, and

776
00:38:16,830 --> 00:38:18,950
S7: this I've heard some people say the beam at the

777
00:38:18,989 --> 00:38:20,830
S7: Bema Seat, the Lord's going to show a movie to

778
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:22,350
S7: everybody of your entire life.

779
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:23,390
S1: No. Please. No.

780
00:38:23,790 --> 00:38:26,350
S7: So far from the truth. And thank God it is.

781
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:30,029
S7: It's not. It's not about our sins. It's about what

782
00:38:30,030 --> 00:38:33,589
S7: we did with what he gave us after salvation. And, uh,

783
00:38:33,590 --> 00:38:36,910
S7: I think the primary focus is going to be on

784
00:38:36,910 --> 00:38:41,310
S7: receiving the rewards. I just watched a documentary on miracle.

785
00:38:41,350 --> 00:38:44,910
S7: The 1980 hockey team that beat the Russians. And one

786
00:38:44,910 --> 00:38:48,150
S7: gentleman stood up and he was watching old footage of

787
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:51,029
S7: himself standing to get the gold medal. And he said,

788
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:54,010
S7: that is the purest form of joy that any human

789
00:38:54,010 --> 00:38:56,089
S7: can experience. And I don't even know whether this guy

790
00:38:56,090 --> 00:38:58,970
S7: was a Christian, but that gives you a snapshot of

791
00:38:58,969 --> 00:39:01,370
S7: when the Lord rewards you. It's going to be the

792
00:39:01,370 --> 00:39:04,210
S7: best thing ever. But I do believe, as you mentioned Janet,

793
00:39:04,210 --> 00:39:06,370
S7: that there will be a sense of loss, that we

794
00:39:06,370 --> 00:39:11,009
S7: will see, uh, moments that we missed, opportunities that we squandered,

795
00:39:11,010 --> 00:39:14,689
S7: and I think we will be we will have momentarily, uh,

796
00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:18,649
S7: some regret and some sadness. But as, as, uh, lutzer says,

797
00:39:18,650 --> 00:39:20,689
S7: I think the Lord then will wipe the tears from

798
00:39:20,690 --> 00:39:23,330
S7: our eyes. And I don't think it'll be a sadness

799
00:39:23,330 --> 00:39:27,210
S7: that is in deep grief or or like someone caught

800
00:39:27,210 --> 00:39:29,090
S7: in sin. I think it's going to be more like,

801
00:39:29,090 --> 00:39:31,170
S7: we love our Lord so much. We wish we would

802
00:39:31,210 --> 00:39:33,250
S7: have done more with what we were given.

803
00:39:33,290 --> 00:39:36,290
S1: Yes. And that's why I think these conversations are so

804
00:39:36,290 --> 00:39:40,330
S1: fruitful and profitable is because thinking about heaven and knowing

805
00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:43,689
S1: that as believers in Christ, we will stand in front

806
00:39:43,690 --> 00:39:45,529
S1: of the Bema Seat, which is just this wonderful Greek

807
00:39:45,530 --> 00:39:48,450
S1: word that means raised platform. And he's going to be

808
00:39:48,450 --> 00:39:51,210
S1: standing there and we are going to think about what

809
00:39:51,350 --> 00:39:53,790
S1: did we do with our lives? It's Gandalf to Frodo.

810
00:39:53,790 --> 00:39:55,390
S1: It's not how much time you have. It's what you

811
00:39:55,390 --> 00:39:57,510
S1: do with the time you've been given. So what are

812
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:59,870
S1: we doing with the time that we've been given? So

813
00:39:59,870 --> 00:40:03,190
S1: I thank you for that. So. Okay, so the seven

814
00:40:03,230 --> 00:40:06,069
S1: year period takes place. You mentioned this before. Oh we

815
00:40:06,070 --> 00:40:08,589
S1: could talk for an hour about this. But why is

816
00:40:08,590 --> 00:40:11,910
S1: this conversation so important about Israel, particularly with the rise

817
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:15,510
S1: of anti-Semitism, not just outside but in the church right now?

818
00:40:15,989 --> 00:40:18,910
S7: Yeah it is. The battle lines are being drawn. It

819
00:40:18,910 --> 00:40:21,870
S7: is the issue of the day. Uh, Jeff and I

820
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:24,230
S7: just got back from Israel last week, as a matter

821
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:28,310
S7: of fact, where we went and recorded a ton of video. And, uh,

822
00:40:28,310 --> 00:40:31,270
S7: if you don't understand Israel biblically, you're going to be

823
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:34,510
S7: lost in so many other areas. And to be honest,

824
00:40:34,510 --> 00:40:37,310
S7: I think it's it's demonic at its root. I think

825
00:40:37,350 --> 00:40:40,989
S7: Satan is trying to confuse the church about God's promises

826
00:40:40,989 --> 00:40:43,710
S7: to Israel. But let me tell you something. There's so

827
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S7: many concrete, eternal, unconditional promises to Israel that do not

828
00:40:48,989 --> 00:40:52,890
S7: find their fulfillment until the end times, that if he

829
00:40:52,890 --> 00:40:56,089
S7: could take those and erase those, or say that the

830
00:40:56,090 --> 00:40:58,969
S7: church has replaced Israel, then how do we have any

831
00:40:58,969 --> 00:41:01,330
S7: confidence that the promises that he's given us in the

832
00:41:01,330 --> 00:41:03,450
S7: church are going to come to pass as well? He

833
00:41:03,450 --> 00:41:06,530
S7: has to keep his word. He's a God who has

834
00:41:06,570 --> 00:41:10,290
S7: who bets his everything on his character. And he says

835
00:41:10,290 --> 00:41:13,810
S7: what he means, means what he says. Promises are promises.

836
00:41:14,050 --> 00:41:17,170
S7: All of them will be fulfilled. And Israel is a

837
00:41:17,170 --> 00:41:20,690
S7: huge part of what takes place in the end times.

838
00:41:20,690 --> 00:41:25,810
S7: The primary focus is Israel and Jerusalem and the Temple Mount. Um,

839
00:41:25,930 --> 00:41:29,370
S7: if you erase that from Scripture, you're literally gutting most

840
00:41:29,370 --> 00:41:31,290
S7: of the Old Testament and a whole lot of the

841
00:41:31,290 --> 00:41:32,530
S7: New Testament as well.

842
00:41:32,570 --> 00:41:34,529
S1: Oh, thank you so much for saying that with such

843
00:41:34,530 --> 00:41:38,730
S1: clarity and conviction, Todd. And let me underscore something you said, because,

844
00:41:38,770 --> 00:41:41,770
S1: in fact, I was just noodling around in first Chronicles

845
00:41:41,770 --> 00:41:47,489
S1: yesterday and in Genesis and his everlasting covenants, his unconditional,

846
00:41:47,590 --> 00:41:51,830
S1: Everlasting covenant. And when he said it, he keeps his word.

847
00:41:51,830 --> 00:41:55,029
S1: If if that covenant is broken with the Jewish people,

848
00:41:55,230 --> 00:41:58,030
S1: then what other promises that God has made, can he break?

849
00:41:58,070 --> 00:42:00,350
S1: I mean it really? That's why this is demonic. And

850
00:42:00,350 --> 00:42:02,230
S1: I could not underscore that enough, or agree with you

851
00:42:02,230 --> 00:42:04,870
S1: more that this really goes to the character of God.

852
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:06,870
S1: He's not a promise keeping God. And if he's not

853
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:09,350
S1: a promise keeping God, then this is a sham of

854
00:42:09,350 --> 00:42:10,710
S1: a worldview. It seems to me.

855
00:42:11,469 --> 00:42:15,470
S7: Amen. He keeps his promises. I mean that above all else,

856
00:42:15,469 --> 00:42:17,430
S7: that's what he is as a promise keeper. How could

857
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:20,149
S7: we trust him with things we don't see, like our

858
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:23,029
S7: eternal salvation? If we can't trust that he's going to

859
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:25,510
S7: keep the promises that he has given to specific people?

860
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:27,710
S7: And we could do a whole hour on that. Just

861
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:31,790
S7: the unconditional promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and reiterated

862
00:42:31,790 --> 00:42:36,310
S7: throughout the Old Testament. Paul even reiterates it heavily in

863
00:42:36,310 --> 00:42:39,950
S7: Romans nine through 11, especially chapter 11. So that's that's

864
00:42:39,950 --> 00:42:42,430
S7: the chapter I've been pointing most people to lately who

865
00:42:42,430 --> 00:42:45,870
S7: ask questions about, uh, if we should stand with modern

866
00:42:45,870 --> 00:42:49,730
S7: day Israel, by the way. Bible. The Bible prophesies God

867
00:42:49,730 --> 00:42:53,130
S7: prophesied that Israel would be back in the land again

868
00:42:53,130 --> 00:42:56,730
S7: in unbelief at the time the Antichrist makes the covenant.

869
00:42:57,050 --> 00:43:00,649
S7: So the fact that there's only a smaller number of

870
00:43:00,650 --> 00:43:03,850
S7: Jewish believers, all people who get saved, have to go

871
00:43:03,850 --> 00:43:06,489
S7: through Jesus Christ. That's the purpose of it. At the

872
00:43:06,489 --> 00:43:09,250
S7: end of the seven year tribulation, we see a remnant

873
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S7: of Jewish people together corporately finally realize Jesus was their

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S7: Jewish Messiah. But right now, what we're seeing as the

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S7: conditions of the world are exactly what is prophesied. And

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S7: Israel has the right to the land. They have the

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S7: right to defend themselves. And we as believers need to

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S7: stand strongly against anti-Semitism in all of its forms.

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S1: Exclamation point. By the way, do you get giggles like

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S1: I do when you read about the quote Board of Peace? Yeah,

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00:43:37,650 --> 00:43:41,050
S1: I thought, okay, I'm going to be raptured. Exactly right.

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S1: Exactly right. I'm going to be raptured. So I'm not

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S1: going to be around. But I thought, hmm, Three and

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S1: a half years of false peace. We're putting together Boards

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S1: of peace. See how easy this is going to happen?

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S1: I remember, by the way, Ron Blue writing the coming

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S1: cashless society when nobody had an ATM card. God is

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S1: a promise keeping God. And that's what this is all about.

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S1: The fulfillment of prophecy. The most important thing I want

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S1: you to take away from this conversation is that his

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S1: return is imminent. Any moment without warning, no prophecy yet

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S1: to be fulfilled. So if it were to happen today.

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S1: Are you ready? Would you be absent from the body

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S1: and in his magnificent presence? If you can't answer yes definitively.

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S1: 14 exclamation points to that. Then, brother, sister, don't do

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S1: another thing until you answer that question. Who is Jesus

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S1: and how can I know him personally? As Todd said,

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S1: it is absolutely simple enough for a child to believe.

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S1: So make that decision because he is coming again. Todd,

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S1: thank you for a great conversation. We'll see you next

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S1: time on In the Market with Janet Parshall.