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Hi friends, this is Janet Parshall. 40 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,360 S1: Thanks so much for choosing to spend the next hour 41 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,559 S1: with us. Today's program is prerecorded so our phone lines 42 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,640 S1: are not open. But thanks so much for being with 43 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,320 S1: us and enjoy the broadcast. 44 00:02:26,130 --> 00:02:29,250 S2: We were all brought into a prison, and there I 45 00:02:29,250 --> 00:02:37,850 S2: was for months in solitary confinement, solitary confinement alone, 75 46 00:02:37,850 --> 00:02:42,850 S2: steps and two steps over and always alone. But, you know, 47 00:02:42,889 --> 00:02:47,090 S2: it was not really alone. For Jesus was with me. 48 00:02:47,610 --> 00:02:51,650 S2: And I will never forget when I said, oh, Lord, 49 00:02:51,650 --> 00:02:56,730 S2: I cannot be alone anymore without any human beings. And 50 00:02:56,730 --> 00:03:03,010 S2: suddenly I saw a little ant and I saw him 51 00:03:03,410 --> 00:03:06,450 S2: go off the floor, and I said, thank you, Lord. 52 00:03:06,490 --> 00:03:10,130 S2: I have company, I have an aunt and aunt. And 53 00:03:10,130 --> 00:03:14,450 S2: you say that little, little animals aren't. And we had 54 00:03:14,450 --> 00:03:17,530 S2: a good time together and we talked together. But when 55 00:03:17,530 --> 00:03:21,370 S2: there was danger, that end always ran to a little 56 00:03:21,370 --> 00:03:25,769 S2: hole in the wall. And then the Lord told me 57 00:03:25,810 --> 00:03:33,970 S2: a little, uh. A little thing. He. He said, Corey, 58 00:03:34,330 --> 00:03:38,650 S2: that little hole in the wall is the hiding place 59 00:03:38,650 --> 00:03:43,170 S2: for that end. Don't forget that I am your hiding place. 60 00:03:43,650 --> 00:03:45,850 S2: And so that little ant gave me a sermon. 61 00:03:47,410 --> 00:03:50,370 S1: You are my hiding place. Welcome to In the market 62 00:03:50,370 --> 00:03:53,490 S1: with Janet. Partial. That, of course, is Corrie Ten. Boom. 63 00:03:53,900 --> 00:03:57,100 S1: Talking about feeling comforted by the Lord while she was 64 00:03:57,100 --> 00:04:00,580 S1: in a concentration camp, and even a little ant provided 65 00:04:00,580 --> 00:04:03,780 S1: her with hope in Jesus Christ. We're going to focus 66 00:04:03,780 --> 00:04:06,020 S1: in on Corrie this hour by looking at a brand 67 00:04:06,020 --> 00:04:09,060 S1: new book about her life called The Watchmaker's Daughter The 68 00:04:09,060 --> 00:04:12,380 S1: True Story of World War two heroine Corrie ten boom. 69 00:04:12,660 --> 00:04:15,180 S1: The author joins us this hour. Larry Loftis, who's a 70 00:04:15,180 --> 00:04:18,620 S1: New York Times and international best selling author of three 71 00:04:18,620 --> 00:04:22,700 S1: prior non-fiction thrillers, including The Princess Spy and Into the 72 00:04:22,700 --> 00:04:26,020 S1: Lion's Mouth. They've been published in multiple languages around the world, 73 00:04:26,339 --> 00:04:28,940 S1: and before becoming a full time writer, Larry was a 74 00:04:28,940 --> 00:04:31,860 S1: corporate attorney. Larry, thank you so much for spending the 75 00:04:31,860 --> 00:04:35,299 S1: hour with us. I absolutely am moved by your book. 76 00:04:35,339 --> 00:04:37,540 S1: I thank you so much for giving us the gift 77 00:04:37,540 --> 00:04:39,460 S1: of an hour, but even more for the gift of 78 00:04:39,460 --> 00:04:41,260 S1: this book as well. Which leads me to a whole 79 00:04:41,260 --> 00:04:43,540 S1: bunch of questions right out of the gate, not the 80 00:04:43,540 --> 00:04:45,060 S1: least of which is how do you go from being 81 00:04:45,060 --> 00:04:46,860 S1: a corporate attorney to a writer? 82 00:04:48,060 --> 00:04:54,500 S3: Uh, repentance, lots of repentance. And by the way, I 83 00:04:54,620 --> 00:04:57,580 S3: think I've got you on both cell and the and 84 00:04:57,620 --> 00:04:59,980 S3: the internet, so I guess I should probably hang up 85 00:04:59,980 --> 00:05:02,060 S3: the the phone here. 86 00:05:02,540 --> 00:05:04,820 S1: The cell phone would be great. That's terrific. It'll stop 87 00:05:04,820 --> 00:05:06,419 S1: that kickback for you, Larry. Okay. 88 00:05:07,420 --> 00:05:11,820 S3: So yeah, it took, uh, it was a 25 year sentence. 89 00:05:14,540 --> 00:05:16,659 S3: If that makes sense. But my. 90 00:05:16,700 --> 00:05:16,900 S1: My. 91 00:05:18,020 --> 00:05:21,380 S3: My, my purification is was completed and I'm, I was 92 00:05:21,380 --> 00:05:22,820 S3: a free man to do what I love to do, 93 00:05:22,860 --> 00:05:24,460 S3: which is to write these kind of books. 94 00:05:25,460 --> 00:05:27,979 S1: Well, and that's my second question, Larry. And that is 95 00:05:28,100 --> 00:05:34,140 S1: your interest in non-fiction is absolutely thrilling, no pun intended, 96 00:05:34,140 --> 00:05:37,099 S1: because it is one of the more difficult kinds of 97 00:05:37,100 --> 00:05:39,659 S1: writing to do. It has to be historically based. And 98 00:05:39,660 --> 00:05:42,660 S1: yet when I read The Watchmaker's Daughter, it reads like 99 00:05:42,660 --> 00:05:45,300 S1: a novel, except that I know Corey was all too real. 100 00:05:45,460 --> 00:05:47,659 S1: And the book is laden, by the way, with pictures 101 00:05:47,660 --> 00:05:49,900 S1: from the Tan Boon family and part of the artifacts 102 00:05:49,990 --> 00:05:53,230 S1: that are very much tied to her story. So obviously, 103 00:05:53,230 --> 00:05:56,110 S1: this is a difficult genre. It isn't pure fiction where 104 00:05:56,110 --> 00:05:57,950 S1: you have the license to write things that aren't true. 105 00:05:57,950 --> 00:06:01,550 S1: And yet in nonfiction, you have to be bound by 106 00:06:01,550 --> 00:06:04,589 S1: the facts, but you can tell it with the liberty 107 00:06:04,589 --> 00:06:06,950 S1: of a writer. Did you find that a difficult format 108 00:06:06,950 --> 00:06:07,710 S1: to work in? 109 00:06:08,190 --> 00:06:11,150 S3: Well, originally when I had first started, I wrote a 110 00:06:11,150 --> 00:06:15,030 S3: book called Into the Lion's Mouth about the spy who 111 00:06:15,070 --> 00:06:18,110 S3: inspired James Bond, and my agent at the time had 112 00:06:18,110 --> 00:06:20,390 S3: written it as a historical fiction. And he said, wait, 113 00:06:20,430 --> 00:06:22,229 S3: isn't this most of this true? And I said, it's 114 00:06:22,230 --> 00:06:24,430 S3: all true. And he said, well, just do it as straight, 115 00:06:24,470 --> 00:06:28,830 S3: you know, narrative nonfiction. But I love thrillers. Um, so 116 00:06:28,830 --> 00:06:30,349 S3: I figured, why don't I do this from now? So 117 00:06:30,350 --> 00:06:33,350 S3: I did it from from day one is to take 118 00:06:33,390 --> 00:06:38,670 S3: a non-fiction story and just structure it as basically as 119 00:06:38,670 --> 00:06:42,070 S3: a thriller. So I can't make anything up, but I 120 00:06:42,070 --> 00:06:44,590 S3: get to decide where the chapter closes. 121 00:06:45,110 --> 00:06:45,670 S1: Mhm. 122 00:06:46,029 --> 00:06:49,590 S3: So exactly when somebody's about to get killed or shot 123 00:06:49,589 --> 00:06:52,950 S3: or there's a missing briefcase, that's where I end it. 124 00:06:54,830 --> 00:06:57,909 S1: Are you particularly interested in that time period? You seem 125 00:06:57,910 --> 00:07:01,150 S1: to write a lot with enthusiasm around World War Two. 126 00:07:01,350 --> 00:07:03,070 S1: And if the answer to that question is yes, what 127 00:07:03,110 --> 00:07:04,430 S1: drew you to that time period? 128 00:07:05,029 --> 00:07:07,229 S3: Indeed it is. I tell all of my books have 129 00:07:07,230 --> 00:07:09,469 S3: been in the World War Two era. All of them 130 00:07:09,470 --> 00:07:13,470 S3: about spies until this one with Corey. She wasn't a spy, 131 00:07:13,470 --> 00:07:16,750 S3: but she and her family were involved in the Dutch resistance, 132 00:07:16,750 --> 00:07:19,270 S3: which would have the same consequences. You either get shot 133 00:07:19,270 --> 00:07:22,630 S3: or you get sent to a concentration camp. But I 134 00:07:22,670 --> 00:07:25,870 S3: just love World War Two because that's really the only 135 00:07:25,870 --> 00:07:29,430 S3: time in history where there's been a worldwide event where 136 00:07:29,430 --> 00:07:30,950 S3: every country is involved. 137 00:07:30,950 --> 00:07:33,790 S1: And because we call them now, The Forgotten Generation. I'm 138 00:07:33,790 --> 00:07:36,910 S1: so glad you're writing this because you teach us not 139 00:07:36,910 --> 00:07:40,150 S1: about the Ten Boom family alone or Corey alone, but 140 00:07:40,150 --> 00:07:42,390 S1: you drop it contextually into what is happening in that 141 00:07:42,390 --> 00:07:44,990 S1: part of the world, a world war, which, thanks be 142 00:07:44,990 --> 00:07:48,080 S1: to God, we haven't experienced since that time, but it 143 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,480 S1: is a great tutorial for people who have not been 144 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,240 S1: taught about World War two, because you are enamored by 145 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,240 S1: that particular epoch of time. It wouldn't come as a 146 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,080 S1: surprise that you would stumble across the life of Corrie 147 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,680 S1: Ten boom, but did you pursue her story? And if so, 148 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,360 S1: what caught your attention about her? 149 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,520 S3: No. In fact, good question. Back in 20, my second 150 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,800 S3: book in the genre came out in 2019, codenamed lice, 151 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,640 S3: and it was about an SOE spy who had been 152 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:19,040 S3: operating in France was captured. They sent her to a 153 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,960 S3: concentration camp in Germany, which was Ravensbruck. So one of my. 154 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,600 S3: I have a good friend who was reading, reviewing my 155 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,920 S3: my work and she said, hey, have you you have 156 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,640 S3: to read The Hiding Place. And I knew about the 157 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,800 S3: hiding place and I knew about Corrie Ten boom, but 158 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,840 S3: I had not read the book. And so I said, why? 159 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,160 S3: And she said, Larry, she's there at Ravensbruck at the 160 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,520 S3: at the same time as Odette and my character, my 161 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,560 S3: subject was in a bunker. She was a spy. She 162 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,480 S3: had been convicted to death. So they put her in 163 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,600 S3: a bunker below ground and she could see nothing. Whereas 164 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,440 S3: Corey's on the outside. She's in the regular barracks so 165 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,800 S3: she can see everything. So that gave me a full 166 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,240 S3: picture of what happened at the camp. Wow. 167 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,640 S1: We're just getting started. You can tell this is going 168 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,840 S1: to be a fascinating conversation, but I have to tell you, 169 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,840 S1: the book is absolutely riveting. And I know Corey's story 170 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,440 S1: very well. Heard her speak many, many times while she 171 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,520 S1: was still alive. But I have to tell you, there 172 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,200 S1: were even more things I learned reading Larry Loftus's brand 173 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,760 S1: new book, The Watchmaker's Daughter The True Story of World 174 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,679 S1: War Two heroine Corrie ten boom. You're going to learn 175 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:37,400 S1: more about this hero when we return. There's overwhelming evidence 176 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,040 S1: that we are witnessing the spiritual freefall of our culture. 177 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,810 S1: Which raises the question what are believers supposed to do. 178 00:09:43,010 --> 00:09:45,210 S1: That's why I've chosen no reason to hide. As this 179 00:09:45,210 --> 00:09:47,250 S1: month's truth tool, we need to know how to be 180 00:09:47,250 --> 00:09:49,689 S1: brave and courageous in the midst of a decaying culture. 181 00:09:49,890 --> 00:09:51,650 S1: As for your copy of No Reason to Hide, when 182 00:09:51,650 --> 00:09:53,689 S1: you give a gift of any amount to in the market, 183 00:09:53,690 --> 00:09:58,410 S1: call 877. Janet 58. That's 877. Janet 58. Or go 184 00:09:58,410 --> 00:10:01,010 S1: to in the market with Janet dot o r g. 185 00:10:08,330 --> 00:10:12,850 S2: That prison. When I saw my sister star before my eyes. 186 00:10:13,130 --> 00:10:20,130 S2: I've enjoyed the joy of the Lord because I got 187 00:10:20,130 --> 00:10:25,850 S2: more intimately acquainted with Jesus Christ. And when you come 188 00:10:25,850 --> 00:10:29,370 S2: to him, he will give you the joy also in 189 00:10:29,370 --> 00:10:33,970 S2: this prison. And I must say, there was such an 190 00:10:34,890 --> 00:10:41,330 S2: open atmosphere there. And afterwards I told him, now you 191 00:10:41,330 --> 00:10:43,570 S2: can ask Jesus to come into your heart. And I 192 00:10:43,570 --> 00:10:45,650 S2: told her what that meant. I said, now who of 193 00:10:45,650 --> 00:10:48,410 S2: you is willing to do to do that and ask 194 00:10:48,410 --> 00:10:52,170 S2: Jesus to come in your life? And they all raised 195 00:10:52,170 --> 00:10:57,329 S2: their hands. Also the guard. Now when I gave an 196 00:10:57,330 --> 00:11:03,569 S2: invitation and everyone raised his hands, no. Then I always 197 00:11:03,570 --> 00:11:09,890 S2: think that is mass suggestion. I don't trust that. But 198 00:11:09,890 --> 00:11:14,290 S2: I had to believe it because I saw in the 199 00:11:14,290 --> 00:11:19,089 S2: eyes the joy of the Lord. The Holy Spirit had 200 00:11:19,090 --> 00:11:23,809 S2: done a great miracle to give joy in such a surrounding. 201 00:11:24,170 --> 00:11:27,610 S2: I'll never forget when I went home, when I left 202 00:11:27,610 --> 00:11:31,690 S2: the prison, I came in the street and the guard 203 00:11:31,809 --> 00:11:35,890 S2: and the prisoner all brought me to the car. I 204 00:11:35,890 --> 00:11:38,650 S2: was amazed that they were not afraid that the prisoner 205 00:11:38,650 --> 00:11:41,490 S2: should run away. And they stood around the car and 206 00:11:41,490 --> 00:11:48,050 S2: they shouted something again and again I said to my interpreter, missionary, say, 207 00:11:48,050 --> 00:11:52,530 S2: what do they. What do they shout? She said, they shout, 208 00:11:52,730 --> 00:11:56,690 S2: old woman, come back! Come back and tell us more 209 00:11:56,929 --> 00:12:01,170 S2: of Jesus. Then she told me that she had been 210 00:12:01,170 --> 00:12:04,490 S2: in that prison and she had brought the gospel. But 211 00:12:04,490 --> 00:12:08,010 S2: she said, I didn't come back. I thought it was 212 00:12:08,010 --> 00:12:12,330 S2: just in vain. But today I have seen what the 213 00:12:12,330 --> 00:12:16,330 S2: Holy Spirit can do and now I will go every week. 214 00:12:16,809 --> 00:12:20,490 S2: And later he wrote me a letter that every week 215 00:12:20,490 --> 00:12:25,170 S2: she went and the feast is going on. She wrote, 216 00:12:25,690 --> 00:12:28,770 S2: the joy of the Lord is our strength. 217 00:12:29,970 --> 00:12:33,090 S1: MM. Corrie ten boom! I'm so glad you're getting to 218 00:12:33,130 --> 00:12:35,850 S1: hear her voice. Who would have thought that a concentration 219 00:12:35,850 --> 00:12:38,660 S1: camp could be a mission field. And yet Corey was 220 00:12:38,660 --> 00:12:42,420 S1: being refined and she was being obedient. And we are 221 00:12:42,420 --> 00:12:45,020 S1: the richer for her story. You can learn more about 222 00:12:45,020 --> 00:12:46,980 S1: her life in the brand new book that Larry Loftis 223 00:12:47,020 --> 00:12:50,020 S1: has authored. It's called The Watchmaker's Daughter The True Story 224 00:12:50,020 --> 00:12:53,179 S1: of World War Two heroine, Corrie ten boom. This gentleman, 225 00:12:53,179 --> 00:12:55,420 S1: by the way, is a New York Times, Wall Street Journal, 226 00:12:55,420 --> 00:13:00,699 S1: USA today and international best selling author of nonfiction spy thrillers. 227 00:13:00,700 --> 00:13:04,420 S1: So he just shared with us how he's interested, particularly 228 00:13:04,420 --> 00:13:07,660 S1: in World War Two history, which is probably why his 229 00:13:07,660 --> 00:13:10,179 S1: books can be found in Spain and Portugal and the 230 00:13:10,179 --> 00:13:13,660 S1: Netherlands and Italy and Serbia and Czech Republic and Taiwan 231 00:13:13,660 --> 00:13:17,260 S1: and India and Australia and New Zealand and throughout the UK. 232 00:13:17,460 --> 00:13:20,580 S1: It was, after all, a world war. So he discovers 233 00:13:20,580 --> 00:13:23,380 S1: the person of Corrie ten boom and writes this book, 234 00:13:23,420 --> 00:13:26,580 S1: The Watchmaker's Daughter. Larry, I kept thinking, because it's not 235 00:13:26,580 --> 00:13:29,700 S1: just a richly told story. Clearly God has gifted you 236 00:13:29,700 --> 00:13:31,940 S1: as a writer. It's not only an important part of 237 00:13:31,940 --> 00:13:34,700 S1: world history, but I kept thinking, did you have to 238 00:13:34,740 --> 00:13:39,660 S1: go to either a ten boom foundation or to survivors 239 00:13:39,660 --> 00:13:42,700 S1: of the family to get permission and or access to 240 00:13:42,740 --> 00:13:45,620 S1: the photos and the copies of the letters that she 241 00:13:45,620 --> 00:13:49,340 S1: wrote as well. It's just all throughout the book, and 242 00:13:49,340 --> 00:13:53,740 S1: there's always questions about intellectual property and identity, etc.. So 243 00:13:53,740 --> 00:13:55,700 S1: how did you go about the process of getting all 244 00:13:55,740 --> 00:13:58,140 S1: of that? So we would be the beneficiaries in the book? 245 00:13:58,500 --> 00:14:01,140 S3: Well, it brings up the bigger question of why did 246 00:14:01,140 --> 00:14:04,340 S3: I write the book? Because, you know, and this is 247 00:14:04,340 --> 00:14:06,819 S3: what I had to decide up front is, does the 248 00:14:06,820 --> 00:14:09,540 S3: hiding place tell the whole story? And I had learned 249 00:14:09,540 --> 00:14:12,140 S3: from doing my prior books, all the subjects of which 250 00:14:12,140 --> 00:14:16,100 S3: all had prior biographies or autobiographies or both. But I 251 00:14:16,140 --> 00:14:18,940 S3: found out that most of the time it's only part 252 00:14:18,940 --> 00:14:22,900 S3: of the story. So I researched Corey's story not only 253 00:14:22,900 --> 00:14:25,420 S3: with all of her books, but with the people around her, 254 00:14:25,580 --> 00:14:28,580 S3: like Hans Poley, who was the first permanent refugee in there. 255 00:14:28,580 --> 00:14:31,860 S3: He wrote a book in 83 called return to the 256 00:14:31,860 --> 00:14:35,950 S3: Hiding Place. Her nephew Peter had written his own memoir 257 00:14:36,150 --> 00:14:39,550 S3: called In the Secret Place in 1954. So I had 258 00:14:39,550 --> 00:14:42,430 S3: to read that. And then all of her archives, all 259 00:14:42,430 --> 00:14:45,550 S3: of Corey's archives. You mentioned photos and things. All of 260 00:14:45,550 --> 00:14:49,430 S3: them are held in the, um, in her archives in 261 00:14:49,430 --> 00:14:52,790 S3: the Billy Graham Center at Wheaton College. So I went 262 00:14:52,790 --> 00:14:55,670 S3: there and spent four days open to close. You know, 263 00:14:55,710 --> 00:14:58,430 S3: going through box after box, file after file. And I, 264 00:14:58,430 --> 00:15:00,910 S3: and I saw everything. I mean, all of her passports 265 00:15:00,910 --> 00:15:04,430 S3: from her entire career, the actual letters that she had 266 00:15:04,430 --> 00:15:09,710 S3: written from prison, uh, in Dutch and, uh, photos, all 267 00:15:09,790 --> 00:15:12,990 S3: from early family all the way through until recently, before 268 00:15:12,990 --> 00:15:15,230 S3: her death. So I had everything in front of me. 269 00:15:15,230 --> 00:15:18,510 S3: And after doing all of my research. I realized the 270 00:15:18,510 --> 00:15:21,470 S3: hiding place is only 10% of the story. For example, 271 00:15:21,510 --> 00:15:24,550 S3: Hans Poley, who's who's the second most important person in 272 00:15:24,550 --> 00:15:27,750 S3: the story? He's not even in there. And the only 273 00:15:27,750 --> 00:15:30,990 S3: way I can figure that that happened is because Corey 274 00:15:31,030 --> 00:15:33,910 S3: didn't actually write The Hiding Place. It was written by 275 00:15:33,910 --> 00:15:36,910 S3: two professional writers whose names are right below hers, John 276 00:15:36,910 --> 00:15:40,470 S3: and Elizabeth Sherrill. So the Sheryl's had no access to 277 00:15:40,510 --> 00:15:43,390 S3: to any kind of files. There were no archives for them, 278 00:15:43,550 --> 00:15:48,110 S3: and all they had was Corey's memory from 35 years earlier, which, 279 00:15:48,350 --> 00:15:51,510 S3: you know, I mean, memories last about five years, seven years. 280 00:15:51,550 --> 00:15:54,710 S3: But anyway, so there's there's a lot that was not 281 00:15:54,710 --> 00:15:57,230 S3: in the story that I thought that has to be told. 282 00:15:57,430 --> 00:15:59,950 S3: There are things that happen with Peter, her nephew, things 283 00:15:59,950 --> 00:16:03,870 S3: that happened with Keith, another nephew, the the girlfriends that 284 00:16:03,870 --> 00:16:07,750 S3: are involved. Uh, there's just so much more. So when 285 00:16:07,750 --> 00:16:10,590 S3: I finished the research, I'm like, the hiding place is 10%. 286 00:16:10,590 --> 00:16:13,190 S3: I have to write this book because people need to 287 00:16:13,230 --> 00:16:15,230 S3: know the other 90% of this story. 288 00:16:15,710 --> 00:16:18,550 S1: MM. That's why it's so rich and such a wonderful, 289 00:16:18,550 --> 00:16:22,350 S1: wonderful book. Well worth your time, friends. I strongly recommend it. So, Larry, 290 00:16:22,630 --> 00:16:25,790 S1: because this is not a fictitious character that springs from 291 00:16:25,830 --> 00:16:28,830 S1: the creative mind of a writer of fiction, but a 292 00:16:28,830 --> 00:16:31,000 S1: real person whose story you're going to tell. When you 293 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,600 S1: looked at the artifacts, the letters that she herself had authored, 294 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,760 S1: what was it like to meet, if I can put 295 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,160 S1: it that way? Corey, when you were going through the archives. 296 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,200 S3: It was surreal. You were spot on. It was surreal. Janet, 297 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,000 S3: when I'm holding in my hands the actual letter, I mean, 298 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,680 S3: they they had she had sent letters to like her 299 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,000 S3: sister NoahLi. Well, NoahLi kept all those. And so I'm 300 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,120 S3: holding in my hands the actual letter written in 1944 301 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,960 S3: from Corey to her, uh, multiple letters like that. So 302 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:01,840 S3: it was surreal. 303 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,679 S1: Wow. When we come back, you know, obviously in a 304 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,240 S1: book this rich, so well researched, so well written that 305 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,640 S1: even with the gift of one hour of Larry Loftus's time, 306 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,920 S1: I can't possibly cover everything in the book. And that's 307 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,479 S1: not bad. I just want to pique your curiosity. So 308 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,560 S1: you'll go out and you'll read The Watchmaker's Daughter as well. 309 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,199 S1: But I want to highlight some of the parts of 310 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,880 S1: Corey's life, and I'll do that with Larry right after this. 311 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,040 S2: I remember that when I was in a concentration camp 312 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:50,480 S2: and we were pushed together in a room with 700 people. 313 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:55,320 S2: The room was built for 200. Some people started to fight, 314 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,879 S2: other people joined them, and at last it was a chaos. 315 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,720 S2: We heard swearing and beating and Betsy, my sister said, 316 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:09,200 S2: let's pray. That is dangerous. And she prayed and she 317 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,200 S2: prayed and she prayed. I will never forget it. And 318 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,840 S2: when she prayed, it was as if a storm laid down. 319 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:23,119 S2: We heard less swearing and beating. At last it was 320 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:28,530 S2: absolutely quiet. And then Betsy said, thank you, Lord. Amen. 321 00:18:30,330 --> 00:18:35,930 S2: Do you see what happened? There was a room of 322 00:18:35,930 --> 00:18:42,090 S2: 700 prisoners in danger. And there was one woman who prayed. 323 00:18:43,770 --> 00:18:47,969 S2: And that woman, my sister, was used by God to 324 00:18:48,010 --> 00:18:53,810 S2: save the situation of that whole room. I believe we 325 00:18:53,810 --> 00:18:57,810 S2: must understand that we can be used by God to 326 00:18:57,850 --> 00:19:00,649 S2: save the situation in the world. 327 00:19:02,730 --> 00:19:06,090 S1: Wow. Amazing stories and there are so many more in 328 00:19:06,090 --> 00:19:10,250 S1: the Watchkeepers daughter. The new book by international bestselling author 329 00:19:10,250 --> 00:19:12,530 S1: Larry Loftus. Larry, let me just do a little bit 330 00:19:12,530 --> 00:19:15,369 S1: of background for her family. So most of us know, 331 00:19:15,369 --> 00:19:17,730 S1: particularly because it's indicated in the title as well, even 332 00:19:17,730 --> 00:19:20,250 S1: if you don't know that she was raised in a 333 00:19:20,250 --> 00:19:22,970 S1: family that repaired watches, and there are pictures of her 334 00:19:22,970 --> 00:19:25,129 S1: father in your book as well. And this was something 335 00:19:25,130 --> 00:19:27,850 S1: that she did, uh, helped in the shop as well 336 00:19:27,850 --> 00:19:31,330 S1: with her father. But from where did this passion to 337 00:19:31,369 --> 00:19:34,209 S1: just step out of the cultural mainstream come from? And 338 00:19:34,210 --> 00:19:37,330 S1: by that, I mean, obviously they did not decide that 339 00:19:37,330 --> 00:19:40,129 S1: they would take in Jews and hide them in their 340 00:19:40,130 --> 00:19:43,489 S1: house lightly. They knew that that could come with a 341 00:19:43,490 --> 00:19:46,650 S1: very high cost. And eventually, of course, it did. But 342 00:19:46,650 --> 00:19:49,209 S1: what compelled them in your research as you were studying 343 00:19:49,210 --> 00:19:51,970 S1: motive is something particularly people like you, I'm sure, love 344 00:19:51,970 --> 00:19:54,570 S1: to dig into. Why did you do what you did 345 00:19:54,730 --> 00:19:57,490 S1: and when did you do it? Why would this family 346 00:19:57,490 --> 00:20:00,810 S1: who were respected as watchmakers and obviously something very much 347 00:20:00,850 --> 00:20:03,490 S1: appreciated in the Netherlands, having been there, I can say 348 00:20:03,490 --> 00:20:06,650 S1: that that's something that is very much treasured. Why would 349 00:20:06,650 --> 00:20:08,770 S1: they take that risk? Where did that come from? 350 00:20:09,130 --> 00:20:12,770 S3: Well, it goes back to their entire family history. And 351 00:20:12,770 --> 00:20:16,730 S3: I and I mentioned this in the book. Corey's father, Caspar, 352 00:20:16,730 --> 00:20:19,970 S3: was a spiritual giant, as was her grandfather, as was 353 00:20:19,970 --> 00:20:25,380 S3: her great grandfather. And throughout the ten boom heritage. They 354 00:20:25,460 --> 00:20:29,500 S3: always loved the Jews. They always prayed for Jerusalem. So 355 00:20:29,700 --> 00:20:33,419 S3: that was nothing new for them to embrace the Jews. Uh, 356 00:20:33,420 --> 00:20:36,660 S3: and Jerusalem. But what happens when World War Two breaks 357 00:20:36,660 --> 00:20:39,300 S3: out is now they have a reason to be active 358 00:20:39,460 --> 00:20:43,300 S3: in their faith. And so the ten boom family and 359 00:20:43,340 --> 00:20:47,180 S3: hundreds of thousands of other Dutch, uh, people, you know, 360 00:20:47,220 --> 00:20:49,420 S3: brought Jews into their home. And not only Jews, there 361 00:20:49,420 --> 00:20:52,460 S3: were actually two groups that Nazis were after. One were 362 00:20:52,460 --> 00:20:56,260 S3: the Jews, two were called Dutch divers. People like Hans Poley. 363 00:20:56,619 --> 00:21:01,500 S3: The Nazis would snatch young German, uh, young Dutch boys 364 00:21:01,500 --> 00:21:04,540 S3: off the street between like 16 years of age to 365 00:21:04,580 --> 00:21:07,580 S3: about 35. They would snatch them off the street and 366 00:21:07,580 --> 00:21:10,379 S3: send them to Germany to work in a factory, because 367 00:21:10,380 --> 00:21:12,300 S3: all of their men were in the Wehrmacht. They were, 368 00:21:12,340 --> 00:21:15,300 S3: you know, at war. So they snatched boys off the street, 369 00:21:15,300 --> 00:21:18,620 S3: arrested them, shipped them just like they would Jews to Auschwitz, 370 00:21:18,780 --> 00:21:21,340 S3: and they shipped them to these factories, most of whom 371 00:21:21,340 --> 00:21:24,180 S3: never to be seen again. And one of those happens 372 00:21:24,180 --> 00:21:27,340 S3: to be what happened to one of Corey's nephews. I 373 00:21:27,420 --> 00:21:30,179 S3: won't spoil it, but it did happen within her family. 374 00:21:30,460 --> 00:21:34,619 S3: So when the when the Gestapo starts knocking on doors, 375 00:21:34,619 --> 00:21:37,780 S3: they're looking for two groups Jews or any boys that 376 00:21:37,780 --> 00:21:41,620 S3: they can snatch and send off to Germany. So Corey 377 00:21:41,660 --> 00:21:46,620 S3: and her family start immediately bringing people in because they hear, hey, 378 00:21:46,660 --> 00:21:49,899 S3: this family, you know, likes us, they'll help us. And 379 00:21:49,940 --> 00:21:53,660 S3: they were connected within their church. Hans Poley's mother knew 380 00:21:53,859 --> 00:21:57,139 S3: knew Corey's, uh, aunt. And so you have all of 381 00:21:57,140 --> 00:22:01,460 S3: these basically neighborhood relationships. So people started knocking on their 382 00:22:01,700 --> 00:22:05,980 S3: door and, and, uh, the first couple were overnight guests. 383 00:22:06,020 --> 00:22:08,660 S3: The first couple were Jews, uh, that just showed up, 384 00:22:08,660 --> 00:22:10,700 S3: knocked on the door, hoping for a place to stay. 385 00:22:11,020 --> 00:22:13,700 S3: And then Corey and the ten boom started taking in 386 00:22:13,700 --> 00:22:16,780 S3: what I call permanent residents, people that stayed there for 387 00:22:16,780 --> 00:22:18,990 S3: months and months and months. Hans Pauli was there the 388 00:22:18,990 --> 00:22:21,550 S3: longest nine months. So in the back of the book, 389 00:22:21,550 --> 00:22:24,230 S3: I include every person that came through the bay as 390 00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:27,310 S3: their house was called, and I divide it between the 391 00:22:27,310 --> 00:22:29,670 S3: temporary people that were there for a day or two. 392 00:22:29,910 --> 00:22:33,150 S3: And then all of the permanent refugees like Yuki, who 393 00:22:33,150 --> 00:22:36,390 S3: plays a very prominent role, a Jew. His real name 394 00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:39,390 S3: was Meyer Mossel, but he went by U.C. so all 395 00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:41,270 S3: that's covered in there as well. 396 00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:43,949 S1: Yes. You write about this in the book, and I 397 00:22:43,950 --> 00:22:45,990 S1: thought it was most intriguing for a woman who had 398 00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:49,709 S1: such a rich spiritual heritage in the lineage of her family. 399 00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:53,750 S1: The question of you shall not give false testimony was 400 00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:56,390 S1: ever before her. So when the Gestapo would come and 401 00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:58,950 S1: they knew that they in fact were protecting not just 402 00:22:58,950 --> 00:23:02,270 S1: the Dutch divers, but also the Jews as well. How 403 00:23:02,270 --> 00:23:04,670 S1: did she reconcile that conflict in her heart? 404 00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:07,830 S3: There are actually two two places in the book where 405 00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:10,510 S3: that comes to to a point. And the first is 406 00:23:10,510 --> 00:23:14,990 S3: when Carys told to the Nazis, the Gestapo in charge 407 00:23:15,030 --> 00:23:17,710 S3: made everybody turn in their radios because radios were outlawed. 408 00:23:17,950 --> 00:23:21,070 S3: And so they had two. And so they hid one 409 00:23:21,070 --> 00:23:22,949 S3: and turned in the other, and Corey turned in the 410 00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:26,670 S3: other one. And the German said, is this the only 411 00:23:26,670 --> 00:23:31,990 S3: radio in your home? And Corey said, uh, yes, she lied. 412 00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:34,710 S3: It was the first time in her life that she 413 00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:37,990 S3: had lied and it crushed her. So fast forward now 414 00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:41,830 S3: well into the story when you know they have refugees 415 00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:44,710 S3: staying in the house. You see, as I mentioned, um 416 00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:46,870 S3: is a Jew and he's in the house and he 417 00:23:46,869 --> 00:23:50,669 S3: heard that Natalie had said, Natalie is Corey's sister who 418 00:23:50,670 --> 00:23:53,469 S3: was married and didn't you know she was they had 419 00:23:53,470 --> 00:23:56,230 S3: their own house. But she said, hey, if we're asked, 420 00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:58,670 S3: we're going to tell people, yeah, we're hiding Jews. And 421 00:23:58,670 --> 00:24:01,270 S3: so it became a big deal for us because he said, 422 00:24:01,270 --> 00:24:04,270 S3: what are you talking about? What about what about Rahab 423 00:24:04,430 --> 00:24:08,590 S3: lying about the spies? There are biblical principles that we 424 00:24:08,590 --> 00:24:11,149 S3: can go to to say, you need to tell them, no, 425 00:24:11,150 --> 00:24:12,630 S3: I don't have any Jews here. 426 00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:17,510 S1: The book is very rich. I keep saying that, but 427 00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:20,030 S1: there are so many details, so many times you'll step 428 00:24:20,030 --> 00:24:23,030 S1: into the story and say, could I have been found faithful? What? 429 00:24:23,030 --> 00:24:25,070 S1: I have been obedient? Would I have known how to 430 00:24:25,109 --> 00:24:27,710 S1: discern in the midst of evil times? Could I have 431 00:24:27,710 --> 00:24:31,070 S1: helped turn a concentration camp into a mission field? Could 432 00:24:31,070 --> 00:24:34,590 S1: I pray for my enemies so much in the book, 433 00:24:34,590 --> 00:24:44,550 S1: the watchmaker's daughter back after this. As a Christian, how 434 00:24:44,550 --> 00:24:46,910 S1: do you digest the cultural issues of our day and 435 00:24:46,910 --> 00:24:49,429 S1: in the market? We believe that understanding happens when we 436 00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:52,310 S1: bring biblical truth to expose the darkness in our world. 437 00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:54,110 S1: That's what we do every day and in the market. 438 00:24:54,150 --> 00:24:56,070 S1: May I ask you to join us? When you become 439 00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:59,990 S1: a partial partner, your monthly gift ensures this daily program continues. 440 00:24:59,990 --> 00:25:02,550 S1: Become a partial partner today by calling eight seven, seven 441 00:25:02,550 --> 00:25:05,110 S1: Janet 58 or go to in the market with Janet Parshall. 442 00:25:12,750 --> 00:25:16,520 S2: I had a meeting in Holland, and an old gentleman 443 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:22,080 S2: came to me, and he said I was in a 444 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:27,760 S2: school where a mist and boom was. A teacher cannot 445 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,760 S2: have been you. Have you been a teacher? I said, no, 446 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,400 S2: that was my sister. Oh, he said, I, when I 447 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,480 S2: was a boy of seven years old. I loved your sister. 448 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,360 S2: And how is she? And I told that my sister 449 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,159 S2: was with the Lord. And after we had talked a 450 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:53,359 S2: little bit about my sister and about when he was 451 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,840 S2: a little boy of seven years old. I asked him, 452 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,720 S2: I should like to ask you a question about a 453 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,119 S2: message that you heard today. He said, what do you mean? 454 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,760 S2: I said, no, we have heard a message that the 455 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:12,159 S2: Lord gave me that we have to be born again 456 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:17,040 S2: to enter the kingdom of God. Are you born again? 457 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,119 S2: Are you a child of God? He said, I go 458 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:26,080 S2: every Sunday to the church. I said, that's very good. 459 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:31,200 S2: That's not sufficient. A mouse born in a biscuit tin 460 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,800 S2: is therefore not yet a biscuit. And to be in 461 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,800 S2: a church building does not make me a child of God. 462 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,480 S2: It is the Lord himself who says there must happen something. 463 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,600 S2: You must receive Jesus as your Savior, and then he 464 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,320 S2: does the miracle in you that you are born into 465 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:57,400 S2: the very family of God. Then you may say to God, father, 466 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,520 S2: my father, I talked a little bit more with him, 467 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:08,639 S2: and he understood and he accepted it. And then he 468 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:17,050 S2: said his first real yes to Jesus. And that's very important. Now, 469 00:27:17,090 --> 00:27:20,090 S2: do you see the picture? Do you see the pattern? 470 00:27:20,930 --> 00:27:26,250 S2: It was about 70 years before that. My sister, my 471 00:27:26,250 --> 00:27:31,330 S2: mother and I prayed for the children in a class 472 00:27:31,330 --> 00:27:36,129 S2: in school. One of these boys of 6 or 7 473 00:27:36,130 --> 00:27:41,490 S2: years old, I met after 70 years, and God used 474 00:27:41,490 --> 00:27:45,609 S2: me to bring him to a decision for the Lord Jesus. 475 00:27:46,650 --> 00:27:50,530 S1: MM. Corrie ten boom, who would later call herself tramp 476 00:27:50,530 --> 00:27:53,490 S1: for the Lord because her years in the concentration camp 477 00:27:53,810 --> 00:27:57,170 S1: refined her, moulded her, shaped her. And in obedience she 478 00:27:57,170 --> 00:28:00,090 S1: told the world about Jesus and what she had learned 479 00:28:00,250 --> 00:28:02,370 S1: while she was in that camp. You can learn more 480 00:28:02,369 --> 00:28:06,610 S1: about her wonderful, amazing story in The Watchmaker's Daughter is 481 00:28:06,609 --> 00:28:09,450 S1: the newest book by Larry Loftis, who is a New 482 00:28:09,490 --> 00:28:12,970 S1: York Times, Wall Street Journal, USA today, and international best 483 00:28:12,970 --> 00:28:17,450 S1: selling author. He loves to write nonfiction spy thrillers, so 484 00:28:17,450 --> 00:28:21,050 S1: there are stories of real people, not biographies necessarily, although 485 00:28:21,050 --> 00:28:24,050 S1: there's so much that's biographical about their life. But he 486 00:28:24,050 --> 00:28:25,970 S1: writes in a cadence that makes you feel that you're 487 00:28:25,970 --> 00:28:28,730 S1: reading a novel, except that these are real people. It's 488 00:28:28,730 --> 00:28:31,210 S1: the best kind of writing there is, actually. And there 489 00:28:31,250 --> 00:28:34,010 S1: is so much to Corey's life that we don't know 490 00:28:34,050 --> 00:28:36,209 S1: other than what we've seen in the hiding place. So 491 00:28:36,210 --> 00:28:38,410 S1: this is a wonderful opportunity for you to go deeper 492 00:28:38,410 --> 00:28:41,370 S1: in your story. And there is such depth there. Larry, 493 00:28:41,370 --> 00:28:43,490 S1: I was reading your book and I realized that I 494 00:28:43,490 --> 00:28:46,930 S1: had never contextualized the relationship. So having been to the Netherlands, 495 00:28:46,970 --> 00:28:48,890 S1: if you go to Amsterdam, if you want to go 496 00:28:49,090 --> 00:28:51,450 S1: to the house of Anne Frank, the line goes around 497 00:28:51,450 --> 00:28:53,489 S1: the block and you can wait for hours before you 498 00:28:53,490 --> 00:28:56,490 S1: go to see her house raises a couple of questions. 499 00:28:56,490 --> 00:28:59,530 S1: Where is she in the time frame in relationship to Corey? 500 00:28:59,730 --> 00:29:03,370 S1: And because the Frank family was also about being hidden 501 00:29:03,370 --> 00:29:07,580 S1: and the ten boom family hid Jews Looking back, was 502 00:29:07,580 --> 00:29:09,739 S1: this a more common practice than maybe we thought at 503 00:29:09,740 --> 00:29:10,260 S1: the time? 504 00:29:11,060 --> 00:29:14,100 S3: Indeed. In fact, I mentioned in the book there's actually 505 00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:17,340 S3: two sort of famous women that are there at the 506 00:29:17,340 --> 00:29:20,739 S3: same time. Not only Anne Frank, who is 13 at 507 00:29:20,740 --> 00:29:23,980 S3: the time when this starts happening, but also Audrey Hepburn, 508 00:29:24,220 --> 00:29:27,820 S3: who lives in Arnhem. So I thought these two people 509 00:29:27,820 --> 00:29:32,460 S3: are very important people in the overall story because, you know, 510 00:29:32,500 --> 00:29:37,180 S3: Corey's in Harlem, but, uh, Anne Frank is in Amsterdam, 511 00:29:37,180 --> 00:29:41,380 S3: which is ten miles away, and Audrey Hepburn's in Arnhem. 512 00:29:41,380 --> 00:29:43,500 S3: So I felt like I need to include them in 513 00:29:43,500 --> 00:29:45,780 S3: the story, too. So we get a big picture of 514 00:29:45,780 --> 00:29:49,860 S3: what's happening around because they both had Anne Frank through 515 00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:53,660 S3: her diary. And then, um, and then I've got a 516 00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:58,260 S3: biography on Audrey that has some of her quotes as well. So, 517 00:29:58,300 --> 00:29:59,900 S3: and by the way, all the quotes that are in 518 00:29:59,940 --> 00:30:03,140 S3: the watchmaker's daughter, they're verbatim from the primary source. So 519 00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:05,780 S3: I'm not, You know, if it's nonfiction, you can't make 520 00:30:05,820 --> 00:30:08,140 S3: up any dialogue that's straight from the horse's mouth. 521 00:30:08,540 --> 00:30:11,580 S1: Right? Wow. That's amazing. That makes it all the more compelling. 522 00:30:11,780 --> 00:30:14,620 S1: So to that second part of my question, because school 523 00:30:14,660 --> 00:30:17,260 S1: kids growing up in America learn something about Anne Frank 524 00:30:17,420 --> 00:30:19,620 S1: and you tend to think this is an isolated story. 525 00:30:19,620 --> 00:30:22,220 S1: But because the ten booms were doing this as well, 526 00:30:22,540 --> 00:30:25,580 S1: do we know after World War Two that this was 527 00:30:25,580 --> 00:30:29,380 S1: a greater practice? Uh, sort of safety haven that was 528 00:30:29,380 --> 00:30:31,380 S1: being practiced in the Netherlands at the time. 529 00:30:32,060 --> 00:30:35,180 S3: I don't know about after World War Two, but all 530 00:30:35,180 --> 00:30:38,660 S3: of the Netherlands, they were shell shocked because they had 531 00:30:38,660 --> 00:30:42,020 S3: been under the Nazi boot. You know, for five years. 532 00:30:42,020 --> 00:30:43,700 S3: And so they were shell shocked, which is part of 533 00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:45,860 S3: the reason Corey said we have to help all the 534 00:30:45,860 --> 00:30:51,340 S3: people who've been damaged, physically damaged, emotionally damaged, spiritually damaged. Um, 535 00:30:51,660 --> 00:30:55,060 S3: and then Betsy had said when they were at Ravensbruck, 536 00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:56,820 S3: not only do we need to do this for our 537 00:30:56,820 --> 00:30:58,900 S3: countrymen in the Netherlands, we need to do it for 538 00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:01,860 S3: the Germans because they're the most hurt of all people. 539 00:31:02,190 --> 00:31:04,990 S3: And so that's the reason Corey went back and started 540 00:31:04,990 --> 00:31:08,030 S3: the the facility. She did at Darmstadt, which was an 541 00:31:08,030 --> 00:31:11,150 S3: old concentration camp that she turned in another. Turned into 542 00:31:11,150 --> 00:31:12,390 S3: another center for healing. 543 00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:16,590 S1: Wow. I wept when I read the part about Lieutenant. Rom's. 544 00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:18,790 S1: Share some of that with our listeners that. I had 545 00:31:18,790 --> 00:31:21,910 S1: never heard that story before. And I was thinking as 546 00:31:21,910 --> 00:31:24,390 S1: I was reading it, there's a natural tension, like a 547 00:31:24,430 --> 00:31:27,110 S1: sort of G string and a cello that's playing throughout 548 00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:29,670 S1: the back and forth. Because it was dangerous for Corey 549 00:31:29,710 --> 00:31:32,590 S1: to answer his questions. It was even more dangerous for 550 00:31:32,590 --> 00:31:35,070 S1: the German lieutenant to be asking those questions. 551 00:31:35,710 --> 00:31:39,230 S3: He's a huge part of the story. Hans Röhm's, Lieutenant Hans. 552 00:31:39,510 --> 00:31:42,790 S3: Hans Röhm's, who was, uh, you know, a German officer 553 00:31:42,790 --> 00:31:46,510 S3: that was the SS ran all the prisons and concentration camps. 554 00:31:46,510 --> 00:31:49,110 S3: So he's with the SS, and they're all trained in 555 00:31:49,150 --> 00:31:54,550 S3: Nazism and, and their their ideology, if you will, was 556 00:31:54,550 --> 00:31:57,550 S3: that the weak are useless and the sick are useless. 557 00:31:57,550 --> 00:32:00,630 S3: And handicapped people, you know, should be done away with. 558 00:32:00,910 --> 00:32:05,070 S3: And so when he meets not just Corey but Betsy, 559 00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:08,510 S3: because he has to interview them, he's the, he's the, uh, 560 00:32:08,830 --> 00:32:12,150 S3: the interrogator, if you will, for the, for the first 561 00:32:12,150 --> 00:32:16,670 S3: prison that she's at and he has the authority to 562 00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:19,470 S3: set people free. He has the authority to, to keep 563 00:32:19,470 --> 00:32:21,070 S3: him in prison. He has the authority to send him 564 00:32:21,070 --> 00:32:25,670 S3: to concentration camps. Uh, so he interviewed Corey. He interviewed Betsy, 565 00:32:25,910 --> 00:32:32,350 S3: he interviewed, uh, Peter, her, her Corey's nephew. And unbeknownst 566 00:32:32,390 --> 00:32:36,990 S3: to any of the three, Hans is pretty much asking 567 00:32:36,990 --> 00:32:40,950 S3: the same questions. He's intrigued by their by their Christian faith. 568 00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:44,390 S3: He's not a Christian. I mean, that's anathema, if you will, 569 00:32:44,430 --> 00:32:47,150 S3: because that's just kind of the weak thing that people 570 00:32:47,150 --> 00:32:49,950 S3: do that don't have anything else to rely on. And 571 00:32:49,950 --> 00:32:53,790 S3: so he has to overcome that. And he's worried about 572 00:32:53,790 --> 00:32:57,110 S3: his family because they live in Germany, and he thinks 573 00:32:57,110 --> 00:33:01,000 S3: that they all may be dead from bombing. And so internally, 574 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,680 S3: he has his own struggle and his own own turmoil. 575 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,080 S3: And here he's got in front of him these three 576 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,600 S3: people that he interviews separately. And each one keeps bringing 577 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,880 S3: up the Lord and how valuable people are. And basically 578 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,480 S3: they're all just witnessing to him. Every time that they 579 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:17,400 S3: come to see him. 580 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,080 S1: Mhm. Kind of a spiritual blitz. If I can do 581 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,200 S1: a play on words there. What I thought was interesting, too, 582 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,920 S1: is that when you write and if you go right 583 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,840 S1: to what you said before about the dialogue cannot be embellished, 584 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,000 S1: then I thought to myself, I'd never thought about what 585 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,360 S1: it would be like to be a part of the 586 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,280 S1: Third Reich, and to wake up every day as you write. 587 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,640 S1: Lieutenant Ramos said to Corey that there was a darkness 588 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,280 S1: he had to deal with, that he woke up every 589 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,200 S1: morning and dreaded the day and lived in a darkness. 590 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,240 S1: He didn't know if he could ever escape from. And 591 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,480 S1: so he's literally being surrounded by the members of the 592 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,800 S1: ten boom family who tell him over and over and 593 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,840 S1: over again. But even though she doesn't know if he's 594 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,720 S1: going to make a profession of faith. He burns papers 595 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,080 S1: that protect her. He gives her the heads up as 596 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,680 S1: to where her dying sister is located, so she might 597 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,880 S1: be able to see her sister. I mean, he is 598 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,799 S1: a hugely pivotal character, but he's such I mean, if 599 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,800 S1: I if I can borrow from Victor Hugo for a minute, 600 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,000 S1: if this were fiction, this is one of those redemption 601 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:19,720 S1: stories where you think the Blackhearted Jean Valjean, right, cannot change. So, uh, 602 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,399 S1: that's exactly what happens with Lieutenant Ramos, which I thought 603 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,040 S1: was amazing. But it also says something about this diminutive 604 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,560 S1: little Dutch woman who had the the strength of lions 605 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,560 S1: to be able to say to this German who at 606 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,680 S1: any time could have turned on her and sent her 607 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,479 S1: off to the ovens, did not do that. That tells 608 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,239 S1: you so much about the strength of Corrie in this situation. 609 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,800 S3: Yeah, I love the Hans Rahm's part of the story. 610 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,440 S3: In fact, it reminds me of what I'd heard, uh, 611 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,680 S3: some people from Hollywood say about another character, another one 612 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,120 S3: of my books, but that is that Hans Röhm's is 613 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,480 S3: Oscar bait. If this thing ever makes it to the 614 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,160 S3: big screen. You will have actors lining up to play Hans. 615 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,799 S3: Rom's because he's. He makes that transition, as you say, 616 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,960 S3: from the villain to. Essentially the hero. He saves Corey's life. 617 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,760 S3: If he does not burn those papers, then not only 618 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,640 S3: will she be executed at the very least sent to 619 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,480 S3: a concentration camp where she'd probably die. But every single 620 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,080 S3: person listed in those notes will be picked up. The 621 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,840 S3: Jews would be sent to death camps. They would be executed. 622 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,720 S3: The resistance people would be picked up. They would be executed. 623 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,000 S3: So Hans ROM saved a lot of people by burning 624 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,359 S3: all those notes. And if the Gestapo found out that 625 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,719 S3: he did that, then he'd be sent to a concentration camp. 626 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,439 S3: So he essentially is is putting his own life at 627 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,760 S3: risk by saving Corey. Her family and all the people 628 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:46,960 S3: written in those notes. 629 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,840 S1: Wow. Just one of the many aspects of the story 630 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,810 S1: you'll find in The Watchmaker's Daughter. This is the story 631 00:35:53,810 --> 00:35:56,250 S1: of Corrie Ten Boom, written by a man who loves 632 00:35:56,250 --> 00:35:58,250 S1: to write about the World War Two era, loves to 633 00:35:58,290 --> 00:36:00,850 S1: write about people who lived, lives on the edge, who 634 00:36:00,850 --> 00:36:04,089 S1: took great risks. But perhaps the greatest risk taker of 635 00:36:04,090 --> 00:36:08,529 S1: all was a small little Dutch maker, watchdog watchman's daughter, 636 00:36:08,690 --> 00:36:11,489 S1: who decided that she would look at the lions and 637 00:36:11,489 --> 00:36:13,649 S1: she would be a Daniel, and then told the world 638 00:36:13,650 --> 00:36:16,810 S1: about it after she was eventually released from the concentration camp, 639 00:36:16,810 --> 00:36:20,050 S1: which in and of itself is another miracle story. Larry 640 00:36:20,050 --> 00:36:22,970 S1: Loftus is with us. It is an absolutely fabulous book. 641 00:36:23,010 --> 00:36:25,170 S1: You read it and then you give it to somebody 642 00:36:25,170 --> 00:36:27,170 S1: else so they'll learn back after this. 643 00:36:44,050 --> 00:36:51,970 S2: I remember when I was in the concentration camp. We 644 00:36:51,969 --> 00:36:55,610 S2: had to stand on roll call, and there was one 645 00:36:55,610 --> 00:36:58,609 S2: morning that I could hardly bear to see and to 646 00:36:58,650 --> 00:37:03,610 S2: hear what had happened in front of me. The guard 647 00:37:03,730 --> 00:37:12,330 S2: was using that time to demonstrate his cruelties. Suddenly Skylar 648 00:37:12,330 --> 00:37:17,890 S2: came and he started to sing in the sky, and 649 00:37:17,890 --> 00:37:20,930 S2: we all looked up and listened to the bird song. 650 00:37:21,850 --> 00:37:24,290 S2: And when I looked at the bird, I looked at 651 00:37:24,290 --> 00:37:31,530 S2: the sky. And suddenly I thought at Psalm 103, where 652 00:37:31,730 --> 00:37:37,530 S2: verse 11 was written. For as the heaven is high 653 00:37:37,570 --> 00:37:43,770 S2: above the earth, so great is his mercy and love 654 00:37:44,010 --> 00:37:48,250 S2: towards them that fear him. And it was as if 655 00:37:48,250 --> 00:37:53,299 S2: I woke up to a reality. Oh, love of God, 656 00:37:53,780 --> 00:38:00,300 S2: how deep and great. Far deeper than man's deepest hate. 657 00:38:02,340 --> 00:38:09,020 S2: God sent that skylark during three weeks. Daily. Exactly during 658 00:38:09,020 --> 00:38:12,380 S2: the time of roll call. To turn away our eyes. 659 00:38:12,380 --> 00:38:16,540 S2: From the cruelty of men. And to the ocean of 660 00:38:16,580 --> 00:38:17,819 S2: God's love. 661 00:38:18,940 --> 00:38:22,739 S1: MM. How deep was her faith? Corrie. Ten boom! The 662 00:38:22,780 --> 00:38:25,540 S1: watchmaker's daughter. That happens to be the title of the 663 00:38:25,540 --> 00:38:29,020 S1: newest book by Larry Loftis, an international best selling author 664 00:38:29,020 --> 00:38:31,140 S1: as well. By the way, at the end of the book, 665 00:38:31,140 --> 00:38:33,219 S1: he has a little biography of so many of the 666 00:38:33,219 --> 00:38:36,219 S1: people that are told in Cory's story. There's page after 667 00:38:36,219 --> 00:38:38,900 S1: page after page, a footnote which tells you how much 668 00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:42,299 S1: research went into doing this book. So, Larry, I have 669 00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:44,260 S1: to ask you, because as you decide to write about 670 00:38:44,260 --> 00:38:46,739 S1: someone and your previous books, and even with Cory's book, 671 00:38:46,739 --> 00:38:49,380 S1: by the time you're done doing the research and you're 672 00:38:49,380 --> 00:38:53,339 S1: spending months, if not years, with a particular character. When 673 00:38:53,340 --> 00:38:55,460 S1: it's all said and done, you have a pretty firm 674 00:38:55,460 --> 00:38:58,020 S1: idea about who this person is. You're either going to 675 00:38:58,020 --> 00:39:01,460 S1: move toward loving them or loathing them. What surprised you 676 00:39:01,460 --> 00:39:05,220 S1: the most about Corey, and what characteristic did you admire 677 00:39:05,219 --> 00:39:05,900 S1: the most? 678 00:39:06,980 --> 00:39:09,859 S3: Yeah, that's a great question. And I would summarize it 679 00:39:09,860 --> 00:39:12,819 S3: by saying, what's the upshot of the book? What's the 680 00:39:12,820 --> 00:39:15,899 S3: takeaway of the story? And I would say this. This 681 00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:20,820 S3: is what moved me. Uh, you start with, well, Corey, uh, 682 00:39:20,940 --> 00:39:24,820 S3: hid Jews. Well, hundreds of thousands of Dutch people hid Jews. 683 00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:29,940 S3: Corey suffered millions, suffered millions, suffered far worse than she did, and, 684 00:39:29,940 --> 00:39:32,980 S3: you know, and died in concentration camps or were shot. 685 00:39:33,219 --> 00:39:36,419 S3: But where Corey is different. And for me, the takeaway 686 00:39:36,860 --> 00:39:41,739 S3: is that she forgave everybody. And that was very difficult 687 00:39:41,739 --> 00:39:44,939 S3: because first she had to forgive the Germans, which when 688 00:39:44,940 --> 00:39:46,910 S3: Betsy first said, well, we have to come and minister 689 00:39:46,910 --> 00:39:49,509 S3: to Germany. Core didn't want any part of that. You know, 690 00:39:49,550 --> 00:39:52,350 S3: she wasn't going back to Germany. Um, so she had 691 00:39:52,350 --> 00:39:54,910 S3: to forgive the Germans, which she did. Then she had 692 00:39:54,910 --> 00:39:58,190 S3: to forgive the guards. And as you heard in that 693 00:39:58,190 --> 00:40:01,790 S3: last clip, many of the guards were very cruel. And 694 00:40:01,790 --> 00:40:04,870 S3: so for her to forgive a guard was tough, particularly 695 00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:08,109 S3: when she does run into one in the story, and 696 00:40:08,110 --> 00:40:10,470 S3: I won't I won't throw out a spoiler what happens, 697 00:40:10,469 --> 00:40:13,870 S3: but it's very moving. And she has to forgive this 698 00:40:13,870 --> 00:40:17,270 S3: man who was very cruel to her, very cruel to Betsy. 699 00:40:17,310 --> 00:40:20,629 S3: And she does. She forgives him. And then thirdly, the 700 00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:23,029 S3: hardest of all was she had to forgive. And she 701 00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:27,350 S3: did forgive the man who betrayed them, who was a Dutchman, 702 00:40:27,830 --> 00:40:32,790 S3: a quisling. They were betrayed to the Gestapo, not by 703 00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:36,509 S3: a German, but by another Dutchman who had thrown his 704 00:40:36,510 --> 00:40:39,710 S3: lot with the Nazis. Maybe thinking that they would win. 705 00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:42,950 S3: But she has to forgive him. And this man cost 706 00:40:42,989 --> 00:40:47,830 S3: her Corrie, her sister's life, her father's life, her nephew's life, 707 00:40:47,830 --> 00:40:51,830 S3: her brother's life, her in a concentration camp. And she 708 00:40:51,830 --> 00:40:53,950 S3: forgave him as well. 709 00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:57,750 S1: MM. Wow. That's so interesting. You should say that, Larry, 710 00:40:57,750 --> 00:41:00,190 S1: because I think that's the takeaway for me as well. 711 00:41:00,230 --> 00:41:02,549 S1: You know, this is not reality TV. There were no 712 00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:05,870 S1: cameras rolling. This was the real deal. This is really 713 00:41:05,870 --> 00:41:09,990 S1: under a refiner's fire. When your character is manifest, to 714 00:41:10,030 --> 00:41:12,310 S1: see the cruelty of the guard being performed in front 715 00:41:12,310 --> 00:41:14,310 S1: of you, and then to stop and think about how 716 00:41:14,310 --> 00:41:18,149 S1: great God's mercies are, says something about the character of 717 00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:20,589 S1: a person when they're in the midst of adversity. But 718 00:41:20,590 --> 00:41:23,549 S1: this idea of forgiving when she knew that it cost 719 00:41:23,550 --> 00:41:26,350 S1: her family members their very lives, when betrayal put them 720 00:41:26,350 --> 00:41:29,189 S1: in the camps to begin with, when the Germans were 721 00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:32,070 S1: broken people as well. You don't think that when they're 722 00:41:32,070 --> 00:41:35,910 S1: your your torturer, your Dementors, right? But yet this is 723 00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:38,710 S1: exactly who she was. It seems like a flippant question, 724 00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:41,190 S1: and on some levels it seems to be self-evident again, 725 00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:44,320 S1: because of the rich spiritual legacy from which she came 726 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,640 S1: and the way in which she really and truly had 727 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,960 S1: the Word of God deeply buried in her heart. But 728 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,359 S1: where does that to the person who's listening, who's never 729 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,240 S1: heard of Corrie Ten boom before? Where does that ability 730 00:41:55,239 --> 00:42:01,000 S1: to forgive your Nazi Gestapo guard your ability to forgive 731 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,720 S1: the person who betrayed you? Where does that come from? 732 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,840 S3: Yeah, I talk about this in the book because that's 733 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,880 S3: the hardest thing of all, to forgive someone that literally 734 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,719 S3: cost you the lives of your family. And I put 735 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,600 S3: in the book that sometimes we can't in our own 736 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,719 S3: strength do that. And I believe that Corrie and you'll 737 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,000 S3: see this in her comments in the book, but it 738 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,600 S3: was only by God's grace. And when she meets one 739 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,560 S3: of the guards, she she didn't want to touch this guy. 740 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,080 S3: He held out his hand. He asked for forgiveness. She 741 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,920 S3: didn't want to touch him. This guy was very cruel and. 742 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,720 S3: And she said, Lord, I can. I can lift my hand. 743 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,319 S3: I can do that much. You do the rest. And 744 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,000 S3: as soon as they touched hands, Corey's heart changed. I mean, 745 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,399 S3: God immediately moved her heart and she genuinely felt love 746 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,759 S3: for this man. So there are some times, you know, 747 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,440 S3: for us, our takeaway is there are people who have 748 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,160 S3: hurt us so deeply that it feels like it's impossible 749 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:04,160 S3: to forgive, and it just requires God's grace. Yeah. 750 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,240 S1: Yeah. You know, I know that you can't plan these things, 751 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,279 S1: but in a day and age where we've never been 752 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,279 S1: so divided as a country, where there's marked animosity like 753 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,359 S1: we've never seen or felt before, the timing of your 754 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,200 S1: book seems to be almost a divine appointment right now 755 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,279 S1: to talk about forgiveness and endurance in the midst of 756 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,600 S1: hard times, and to think that in your own power 757 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,120 S1: you can't do it, but in your weakness his strength 758 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,040 S1: is made manifest. And if you have the will to forgive, 759 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,759 S1: he'll give you the ability to forgive. It almost seems 760 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,000 S1: like it's almost too perfectly timed for where we are 761 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,120 S1: as a country right now. 762 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,650 S3: Yeah. that that did not escape me because when I 763 00:43:40,650 --> 00:43:43,370 S3: was going through this story, I'm like, wow, this, this 764 00:43:43,370 --> 00:43:45,330 S3: could really hit home for people today. 765 00:43:46,010 --> 00:43:49,770 S1: Yeah, absolutely. Larry. It is an absolutely fabulous book I 766 00:43:49,810 --> 00:43:51,890 S1: learned and I thought I knew an awful lot about Kori, 767 00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:54,530 S1: but I learned so much more by reading it. But again, 768 00:43:54,650 --> 00:43:56,810 S1: I had to contextualize this book in the day and 769 00:43:56,810 --> 00:43:58,890 S1: age in which we live. And I thought, we need 770 00:43:58,890 --> 00:44:01,730 S1: a story like this now, maybe more than ever before. 771 00:44:01,770 --> 00:44:03,930 S1: I thank you for giving it to us. It's called 772 00:44:03,930 --> 00:44:07,049 S1: The Watchmaker's Daughter The True Story of World War two 773 00:44:07,090 --> 00:44:10,770 S1: heroine Corrie ten boom again. You know, when I'm particularly 774 00:44:10,770 --> 00:44:12,529 S1: impacted by a book, and I think you can tell 775 00:44:12,530 --> 00:44:14,969 S1: that in my voice. I always love to say in 776 00:44:14,969 --> 00:44:17,609 S1: my classroom this would be required reading and you'd thank 777 00:44:17,610 --> 00:44:20,050 S1: me for it. Thanks so much for joining us, friends. 778 00:44:20,050 --> 00:44:21,930 S1: We'll see you next time on In the Market with 779 00:44:21,930 --> 00:44:22,810 S1: Janet Parshall.