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Now, 39 00:01:37,300 --> 00:01:39,140 S1: please enjoy the broadcast. 40 00:01:40,459 --> 00:01:41,980 S2: Here are some of the news headlines we're watching. 41 00:01:42,300 --> 00:01:44,580 S3: The conference was over. The president won a pledge. 42 00:01:44,620 --> 00:01:46,740 S4: Americans worshiping government over God. 43 00:01:47,060 --> 00:01:50,460 S3: Extremely rare safety move by a major 17 years. 44 00:01:50,460 --> 00:01:53,300 S4: The Palestinians and Israelis negotiated a. 45 00:01:55,460 --> 00:01:55,860 S3: Truce. 46 00:02:07,570 --> 00:02:10,010 S1: Hi friends. Welcome to In the market with Janet Partial. 47 00:02:10,050 --> 00:02:12,050 S1: A very happy Tuesday to you. Thank you so much 48 00:02:12,050 --> 00:02:14,570 S1: for joining us. It's a good day in Washington, DC 49 00:02:14,930 --> 00:02:17,410 S1: because the United States Supreme Court handed down a decision 50 00:02:17,410 --> 00:02:19,930 S1: this morning an 8 to 1 decision. Now, there are 51 00:02:19,930 --> 00:02:24,329 S1: only nine justices that sit on the court 821. And 52 00:02:24,330 --> 00:02:27,530 S1: it was Justice Gorsuch who wrote for the majority. And 53 00:02:27,530 --> 00:02:30,769 S1: he said it's pretty much a common sense decision. Even 54 00:02:30,770 --> 00:02:35,130 S1: Justice Sonia Sotomayor wrote a concurring opinion. It was only 55 00:02:35,130 --> 00:02:39,450 S1: Justice Jackson who wrote a dissent, and her dissent was 56 00:02:39,450 --> 00:02:42,650 S1: longer than the original opinion. I'm getting ahead of myself. 57 00:02:42,650 --> 00:02:45,530 S1: What is this all about? Well, it has everything in 58 00:02:45,530 --> 00:02:47,210 S1: the world to do with the state of Colorado that 59 00:02:47,210 --> 00:02:49,370 S1: just has a real problem with the Christian worldview. They 60 00:02:49,370 --> 00:02:51,290 S1: keep losing. They keep pushing people all the way to 61 00:02:51,330 --> 00:02:54,810 S1: the Supreme Court, whether it's creative 303 or its masterpiece 62 00:02:54,810 --> 00:02:57,630 S1: Bake Shop or. Now, whether it's a Christian counselor by 63 00:02:57,630 --> 00:03:00,790 S1: the name of Kayleigh Childs, who says, when my kids 64 00:03:00,790 --> 00:03:03,429 S1: come into my my office and we're going to talk 65 00:03:03,430 --> 00:03:05,950 S1: about feeling like they're trapped in the wrong body or 66 00:03:05,950 --> 00:03:08,390 S1: same sex attraction, and they want to work through those feelings, 67 00:03:08,389 --> 00:03:10,869 S1: we're going to talk. And if I hear from them 68 00:03:10,870 --> 00:03:13,070 S1: that they don't feel comfortable and they're looking for a 69 00:03:13,070 --> 00:03:15,150 S1: way out, we're going to talk about that too. That's 70 00:03:15,150 --> 00:03:19,030 S1: what the other side says is, quote, conversion therapy. Now, 71 00:03:19,030 --> 00:03:21,870 S1: no counselor worth their salt uses that term. It is 72 00:03:21,870 --> 00:03:24,350 S1: a political cudgel. It is a weapon of choice to 73 00:03:24,389 --> 00:03:27,590 S1: silence people into thinking that somehow if you tell someone 74 00:03:27,590 --> 00:03:29,669 S1: that they don't have to be trapped in that same 75 00:03:29,669 --> 00:03:33,390 S1: sex attraction cycle, that you're committing some sort of heinous crime, 76 00:03:33,389 --> 00:03:36,270 S1: you're violating who they are. I was born this way, 77 00:03:36,310 --> 00:03:38,470 S1: says the woman who wore a suit made out of meat, 78 00:03:38,470 --> 00:03:42,230 S1: but I digress. The reality is nobody is born that way. 79 00:03:42,230 --> 00:03:45,350 S1: There are struggles, all of us with sin. East of Eden. 80 00:03:45,350 --> 00:03:48,190 S1: Every single one of us. For you it might be pornography. 81 00:03:48,190 --> 00:03:49,870 S1: For you, it might be gossip, and for you it 82 00:03:49,870 --> 00:03:52,710 S1: might be same sex attraction. All of us have sinned 83 00:03:52,710 --> 00:03:54,310 S1: and come short of the glory of God, and I 84 00:03:54,310 --> 00:03:58,420 S1: find it particularly unconscionable for governments to come alongside and say, 85 00:03:58,420 --> 00:04:00,460 S1: you can't tell that person that they can change. You 86 00:04:00,460 --> 00:04:02,780 S1: make a liar out of God. And the message that 87 00:04:02,780 --> 00:04:04,980 S1: Paul gives us in Scripture that says and such were 88 00:04:04,980 --> 00:04:07,460 S1: some of you isn't worth the paper it's written on. Apparently, 89 00:04:07,460 --> 00:04:10,580 S1: if you happen to live in the state of Colorado. Well, again, 90 00:04:10,620 --> 00:04:13,700 S1: the state of Colorado got their comeuppance today. Now, I 91 00:04:13,740 --> 00:04:16,540 S1: grant you, this is a secular source where I'm going 92 00:04:16,580 --> 00:04:18,380 S1: to play this news from. And if there's stuff in 93 00:04:18,420 --> 00:04:21,740 S1: there that needs me to address a little bit, I shall. 94 00:04:21,740 --> 00:04:24,300 S1: Here's a CBS news report on the Supreme Court decision. 95 00:04:24,500 --> 00:04:28,060 S5: We do have a ruling on a major Supreme Court case. 96 00:04:28,060 --> 00:04:30,500 S5: I want to bring in CBS news chief legal correspondent 97 00:04:30,500 --> 00:04:33,860 S5: Jan Crawford. So break down. What's the new opinion that 98 00:04:33,860 --> 00:04:34,980 S5: we're getting for us? 99 00:04:35,540 --> 00:04:39,140 S6: This involved a case called conversion therapy. It was a 100 00:04:39,180 --> 00:04:43,500 S6: Colorado law that passed in 2019 that banned therapists from 101 00:04:43,500 --> 00:04:47,020 S6: having certain conversations with their patients, especially when they were 102 00:04:47,060 --> 00:04:50,820 S6: kind of struggling with sexual orientation or gender identity. The 103 00:04:50,820 --> 00:04:56,719 S6: therapist could only affirm what the process was all about. 104 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,480 S6: A Colorado Springs therapist, Kayleigh Childs, sued, saying that that 105 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,760 S6: law violated the First Amendment, that it prevented her from 106 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,440 S6: expressing her viewpoints, and all she could do was affirm 107 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,080 S6: whatever the person may have thought or wondered. Their sexuality was. 108 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,839 S6: So she sued. She lost in the lower courts. And today, 109 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,960 S6: in an 8 to 1 decision, the Supreme Court reversed 110 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,960 S6: those courts and handed her a major victory under the 111 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,839 S6: First Amendment. The court said that this law is applied 112 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,760 S6: to her, discriminated based on her viewpoints, and that it 113 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:31,080 S6: prevented her from actually having these conversations with her patients. 114 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:35,200 S6: Talk therapy only, and that violated the First Amendment. And 115 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,080 S6: there's a really powerful quote I want to read to 116 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,279 S6: you from Justice Gorsuch, who wrote this opinion for the 117 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:45,280 S6: eight justice majority. It said cases like this sensor speaks 118 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,400 S6: based on viewpoint, but the First Amendment stands as a 119 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,420 S6: shield against any effort to enforce orthodoxy in thought or 120 00:05:53,420 --> 00:05:57,099 S6: speech in this country, the argument being that this kind 121 00:05:57,100 --> 00:06:01,300 S6: of law prevented people from having conversations with their clients 122 00:06:01,300 --> 00:06:05,260 S6: about any kind of sexual orientation or gender identity issues. 123 00:06:05,300 --> 00:06:08,380 S6: Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson is the lone dissenter, which I 124 00:06:08,380 --> 00:06:10,700 S6: think is not surprising. She kind of tipped her hand 125 00:06:10,700 --> 00:06:14,260 S6: at those oral arguments back in October, that she thought 126 00:06:14,260 --> 00:06:18,260 S6: that states could regulate this kind of speech as medical treatment, 127 00:06:18,260 --> 00:06:20,860 S6: as conduct, that it didn't amount to kind of any 128 00:06:20,860 --> 00:06:24,260 S6: kind of free speech issue. So right now, what what 129 00:06:24,260 --> 00:06:26,740 S6: this means is, is a big victory for this Colorado 130 00:06:26,740 --> 00:06:29,979 S6: Springs therapist and how the state was kind of seeking 131 00:06:30,020 --> 00:06:33,180 S6: to apply the law that affected her counseling practice. 132 00:06:34,020 --> 00:06:35,820 S1: Now, I have to say that's a pretty fair reporting. 133 00:06:36,140 --> 00:06:39,900 S1: It was a case about free speech. Kylie Childs didn't 134 00:06:39,900 --> 00:06:42,339 S1: give out hormones. She didn't perform any surgery. She wasn't 135 00:06:42,339 --> 00:06:45,700 S1: providing chest binders or any of that stuff that goes 136 00:06:45,700 --> 00:06:48,140 S1: along with this. She simply talked. And to have the 137 00:06:48,140 --> 00:06:51,500 S1: state of Colorado come across as a totalitarian regime and says, 138 00:06:51,570 --> 00:06:55,490 S1: you may only affirm. Wait a minute. You know, it's sacrosanct, 139 00:06:55,490 --> 00:06:58,010 S1: by the way, in a client's office with your counselor, 140 00:06:58,010 --> 00:07:00,570 S1: it's very private, it's protected information. And now the state 141 00:07:00,570 --> 00:07:02,930 S1: has stuck its nose in and said, basically, we're going 142 00:07:02,970 --> 00:07:05,570 S1: to dictate what you can and cannot say. So Justice 143 00:07:05,570 --> 00:07:07,490 S1: Gorsuch was spot on, and CBS did a good job 144 00:07:07,490 --> 00:07:09,410 S1: of pointing this out, that it was really a very 145 00:07:09,410 --> 00:07:13,330 S1: straightforward prima facie question. Can you control the speech of 146 00:07:13,330 --> 00:07:16,850 S1: a therapist? Not behavior. And that's where Justice Jackson got 147 00:07:16,850 --> 00:07:19,810 S1: it wrong. There's a distinction between speech and behavior. Can 148 00:07:19,810 --> 00:07:22,450 S1: you control speech? And Justice Gorsuch, along with two of 149 00:07:22,450 --> 00:07:26,010 S1: the three liberal justices up there said, no, you cannot. 150 00:07:26,330 --> 00:07:28,450 S1: And I loved the fact that Gorsuch talked about the 151 00:07:28,450 --> 00:07:31,770 S1: First Amendment being a shield. Dear friends, in the United Kingdom, 152 00:07:32,050 --> 00:07:34,970 S1: this is why we had a revolution. And we're about 153 00:07:34,970 --> 00:07:37,930 S1: to come up our 250th birthday. You go ahead and 154 00:07:37,930 --> 00:07:40,170 S1: arrest people at 4:00 in the morning because of something 155 00:07:40,170 --> 00:07:42,890 S1: they posted on Facebook. We'll take cases all the way 156 00:07:42,890 --> 00:07:46,090 S1: to the United States Supreme Court, where reasonable justices, the 157 00:07:46,090 --> 00:07:49,450 S1: overwhelming majority, let the record reflect, will say, no, you 158 00:07:49,450 --> 00:07:54,990 S1: cannot regulate somebody's speech, particularly within the parameters of their practice. 159 00:07:55,150 --> 00:07:56,670 S1: So it was a huge victory. And by the way, 160 00:07:56,670 --> 00:07:59,590 S1: there are 20 states out there that have these same 161 00:07:59,630 --> 00:08:01,670 S1: kind of prohibitions in place. So this is going to 162 00:08:01,670 --> 00:08:04,230 S1: be interesting to watch what happens in the days ahead. 163 00:08:04,230 --> 00:08:05,790 S1: Will every one of these be brought up on a 164 00:08:05,790 --> 00:08:08,830 S1: case by case basis or not? So if you're counting, 165 00:08:08,830 --> 00:08:11,910 S1: by the way, Colorado's zero for three, they send Jack 166 00:08:11,910 --> 00:08:15,100 S1: Phillips up there for masterpiece cake. They lose eventually 3 167 00:08:15,100 --> 00:08:17,910 S1: or 3 creative. A website designer sends it all the 168 00:08:17,910 --> 00:08:20,550 S1: way to the Supreme Court. They lose. They kick up. 169 00:08:20,550 --> 00:08:24,110 S1: Now Kylie Childs they lose again. At what point does 170 00:08:24,110 --> 00:08:27,110 S1: Colorado and I love Colorado. Beautiful hike those hills up there. 171 00:08:27,110 --> 00:08:30,470 S1: Gorgeous topography, wonderful listeners out there. A lot of excellent 172 00:08:30,470 --> 00:08:33,870 S1: Christian ministries are located out there, particularly in Colorado Springs. 173 00:08:34,110 --> 00:08:36,150 S1: But there must be something in the water because they 174 00:08:36,190 --> 00:08:39,910 S1: are just a rabid on this particular topic and their 175 00:08:39,910 --> 00:08:42,030 S1: track record is not too good. So score one for 176 00:08:42,390 --> 00:08:44,750 S1: free speech. That was a stunning victory. If you want 177 00:08:44,790 --> 00:08:47,470 S1: to hear more in depth on this. I just spent 178 00:08:47,470 --> 00:08:49,900 S1: a lot of the last hour talking with my daughter 179 00:08:49,900 --> 00:08:52,860 S1: about this. She's the vice president of funding education and 180 00:08:52,860 --> 00:08:55,980 S1: she's an attorney. She was dealing in the Department of 181 00:08:55,980 --> 00:08:58,300 S1: Civil Rights and the Department of Education for many years 182 00:08:58,300 --> 00:09:01,900 S1: as well. And we broke down this case in further detail. 183 00:09:01,900 --> 00:09:04,179 S1: So if you want to hear good, I hope you do. 184 00:09:04,179 --> 00:09:05,980 S1: I hope you want to hear it in greater detail. 185 00:09:06,179 --> 00:09:08,780 S1: Just go to wherever you find your favorite podcast. Download 186 00:09:08,780 --> 00:09:11,420 S1: in the market with Janet partial put in today's date. 187 00:09:11,420 --> 00:09:13,179 S1: It was the first of the two hours we do 188 00:09:13,179 --> 00:09:15,500 S1: every day. We talked about other issues in the classroom 189 00:09:15,500 --> 00:09:18,020 S1: and challenges that are coming legally as well. But we 190 00:09:18,020 --> 00:09:22,620 S1: also broke down this case called Charles V Salazar. And again, 191 00:09:22,620 --> 00:09:25,459 S1: 8 to 1. That's pretty close to a slam dunk. Wow. 192 00:09:25,540 --> 00:09:26,940 S1: We're going to take a break and come back. We've 193 00:09:26,940 --> 00:09:28,660 S1: got lots to talk about this hour on in the 194 00:09:28,660 --> 00:09:31,179 S1: market with Janet Partial. Don't forget today's the last day 195 00:09:31,220 --> 00:09:33,500 S1: you can get Jack Gibbs books at our truth tool 196 00:09:33,540 --> 00:09:46,300 S1: back after this. Are you living with a biblically based, 197 00:09:46,300 --> 00:09:48,959 S1: passionate faith, or are you pulling back from letting your 198 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,400 S1: light shine? That's why I've chosen Cole to take a 199 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,720 S1: bold stand as this month's truth tool. Learn how to 200 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,760 S1: influence the culture for Christ in a transformative way. As 201 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:58,880 S1: for your copy of call to take a bold stand 202 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:00,400 S1: when you give a gift of any amount to in 203 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:05,120 S1: the market, call 877. Janet 58. That's 877. Janet 58. 204 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:09,880 S1: Or go to in the market with Janet dot. Well, 205 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:11,520 S1: in full disclosure, I have to tell you that Doctor 206 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,160 S1: George Barnett is one of my favorite people on planet earth. 207 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,920 S1: I love the way he's challenging the church capital C 208 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,080 S1: universal to think. And he does the digging. And his 209 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,200 S1: name is synonymous with research and data and surveying. And 210 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,600 S1: I'm so thankful that he's using the tools that God 211 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,959 S1: has given him to really issue a wake up call 212 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,040 S1: to a sleepy church, that if we don't do what 213 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,920 S1: needs to be done now, then how does the gauntlet 214 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,840 S1: get passed? How do we pass down the baton of 215 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,400 S1: faith to the next generation? If we are not building 216 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,679 S1: into these young men and women, into our boys and girls, 217 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:48,070 S1: a clear, articulated biblical worldview that gives them the knowledge 218 00:10:48,070 --> 00:10:51,270 S1: to apply the truth of Scripture to the world around them. 219 00:10:51,390 --> 00:10:53,390 S1: So I love the fact that he's not just the 220 00:10:53,390 --> 00:10:56,030 S1: director of research and the co-founder of the Cultural Center 221 00:10:56,030 --> 00:10:59,510 S1: at Arizona Christian University, but he's also an ACU professor there. 222 00:10:59,550 --> 00:11:01,550 S1: Wouldn't you love to take one of his classes? And 223 00:11:01,550 --> 00:11:03,790 S1: I'm pretty sure he doesn't grade on a curve. He 224 00:11:03,790 --> 00:11:07,790 S1: focuses on worldview, assessment and development and cultural transformation, and 225 00:11:07,790 --> 00:11:10,910 S1: he's been putting out part of this American Worldview Inventory 226 00:11:10,910 --> 00:11:14,150 S1: reports on a regular basis. And I cannot wait to 227 00:11:14,150 --> 00:11:16,710 S1: open my email when I see the latest iteration that's come. 228 00:11:16,710 --> 00:11:18,910 S1: And I have to tell you generally, I mean, there's 229 00:11:18,910 --> 00:11:21,590 S1: always positivity. That's something that George, I think is very, 230 00:11:21,590 --> 00:11:23,990 S1: very renowned for is that he knows it isn't just 231 00:11:23,990 --> 00:11:25,910 S1: a matter of giving you dark news and saying, I'll 232 00:11:25,910 --> 00:11:27,710 S1: sit in a corner and weep. He gives you the 233 00:11:27,710 --> 00:11:29,790 S1: news and says, now you've been called to action. And 234 00:11:29,790 --> 00:11:32,150 S1: that's what happens with every one of these reports. But 235 00:11:32,150 --> 00:11:35,550 S1: this one in particular, George, is bothersome to me because 236 00:11:35,830 --> 00:11:38,350 S1: this is about a biblical worldview and whether or not 237 00:11:38,350 --> 00:11:40,630 S1: it comes into alignment with what we think about the 238 00:11:40,630 --> 00:11:43,310 S1: world around us. So I want to get into the mythology, 239 00:11:43,350 --> 00:11:45,809 S1: the methodology first, not the mythology. I wish it were 240 00:11:45,809 --> 00:11:49,090 S1: the methodology. And if I doubt when we talk about 241 00:11:49,090 --> 00:11:51,090 S1: a biblical worldview, it doesn't make a whole lot of 242 00:11:51,090 --> 00:11:53,170 S1: sense to talk to someone who's not a Christian or 243 00:11:53,170 --> 00:11:56,250 S1: a nominal Christian. The presupposition in the question would be, 244 00:11:56,250 --> 00:11:58,650 S1: if you have a biblical worldview, you're reading the Bible 245 00:11:58,650 --> 00:12:00,930 S1: and you are professing Christian, but I don't want to 246 00:12:00,929 --> 00:12:03,770 S1: get ahead of you. So how did you construct this 247 00:12:03,809 --> 00:12:05,490 S1: in such a way that you were going from a 248 00:12:05,490 --> 00:12:07,569 S1: pool to which this question would be salient? 249 00:12:08,330 --> 00:12:11,170 S7: Well, let me actually step back a moment from that, Janet, 250 00:12:11,170 --> 00:12:14,330 S7: because you raise a great question. And that's are we 251 00:12:14,330 --> 00:12:17,650 S7: only talking to people who would claim that they're Christians? 252 00:12:17,929 --> 00:12:20,610 S7: And the answer to that is no. And the reason 253 00:12:20,610 --> 00:12:24,250 S7: is because when you talk with millions and millions of 254 00:12:24,250 --> 00:12:28,370 S7: Americans who say, I'm not Christian, you know, I'm Buddhist, 255 00:12:28,370 --> 00:12:32,770 S7: I'm Jewish, I'm atheist, I'm whatever they may claim to be. 256 00:12:33,210 --> 00:12:38,810 S7: Typically they will say that they represent truth. Well, a 257 00:12:38,809 --> 00:12:44,270 S7: biblical worldview is all about truth. And so when we 258 00:12:44,270 --> 00:12:47,790 S7: do the interviews, we're talking to a random sampling of 259 00:12:47,790 --> 00:12:52,270 S7: all adults in America. Now, in the questions that we ask, 260 00:12:52,630 --> 00:12:58,590 S7: we probe down to understand, well, how might you be categorized? 261 00:12:58,790 --> 00:13:01,790 S7: Do you think of yourself as a Christian? And of course, 262 00:13:01,790 --> 00:13:05,550 S7: you find about 66% of American adults do. So then 263 00:13:05,550 --> 00:13:08,990 S7: with that 66%, we want to know more. Well, great. 264 00:13:09,030 --> 00:13:11,990 S7: What does that mean? You know, let's talk a little 265 00:13:12,030 --> 00:13:14,230 S7: bit about your salvation. Do you believe that you're going 266 00:13:14,270 --> 00:13:17,829 S7: to be saved? Yes. Okay. What's that based upon? And 267 00:13:17,830 --> 00:13:22,189 S7: ultimately we get down to about 32, 33% of the 268 00:13:22,190 --> 00:13:25,910 S7: total adult population who would say they believe that they're 269 00:13:25,910 --> 00:13:28,550 S7: Christians and that when they're going to die, they're going 270 00:13:28,590 --> 00:13:30,830 S7: to go to heaven, but only because they've confessed their 271 00:13:30,830 --> 00:13:33,710 S7: sins and accepted Christ as their Savior. See, right there, 272 00:13:33,710 --> 00:13:37,830 S7: what we've done is we've sliced the self-identified Christian body 273 00:13:37,830 --> 00:13:41,630 S7: in half, because you've got half who are relying on Christ, 274 00:13:41,670 --> 00:13:45,860 S7: half who are relying on themselves or the culture or 275 00:13:45,900 --> 00:13:50,300 S7: something else to be their source of salvation. Then we'll 276 00:13:50,300 --> 00:13:53,179 S7: take the 32 or 33% who are what we would 277 00:13:53,179 --> 00:13:57,380 S7: call theologically identified, born again Christians. And we'll dig deeper 278 00:13:57,620 --> 00:14:00,660 S7: and we'll get all the way down to, okay, can 279 00:14:00,660 --> 00:14:05,260 S7: you be characterized as a disciple of Jesus Christ using 280 00:14:05,260 --> 00:14:08,220 S7: the six factors that he gives us in Scripture? You know, 281 00:14:08,260 --> 00:14:10,620 S7: if you do these three things, you will be my disciples. 282 00:14:10,620 --> 00:14:13,660 S7: If you don't do these three other things, you cannot 283 00:14:13,660 --> 00:14:20,020 S7: be my disciples. Operation. Operation Operationalising those in the survey. 284 00:14:20,300 --> 00:14:25,820 S7: Getting down to only 4%. Three 3 to 4% of 285 00:14:25,820 --> 00:14:30,300 S7: adults in America. Qualifying as disciples of Jesus based on 286 00:14:30,300 --> 00:14:34,940 S7: what he describes as his true followers. So then we 287 00:14:34,940 --> 00:14:37,580 S7: go and we start looking at, okay, what do you believe? 288 00:14:37,820 --> 00:14:41,200 S7: And we can, you know, slice and dice the data 289 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:46,160 S7: to say, okay, self-identified Christians believe this, non-Christians believe this. 290 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:51,240 S7: Atheists believe this. Disciples believe this. Sage Khan's another category. 291 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,600 S7: Believe it. You know people who attend evangelical churches. So 292 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,840 S7: in this report, we've got all that information looking at 293 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,680 S7: all these different categories of people so that nobody can 294 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,080 S7: come back at us and say, well, you know, there 295 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,200 S7: are other people who have truth too. Okay, well, let's 296 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:08,880 S7: take a look at their truth and see how it 297 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:10,080 S7: matches up against God's. 298 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,520 S1: Yeah. Well said. All right. So on that same vein, 299 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,720 S1: it would seem to me and and I know that 300 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:17,960 S1: in some respects this is a rhetorical question. But if 301 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,080 S1: you are a Christian, one presumes that you cannot go 302 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,720 S1: through life without being immersed in the word. It's how 303 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,840 S1: God's character is revealed. It's how you know how he 304 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,520 S1: wants us to live. To use Bunyan's wonderful reference in 305 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,240 S1: Pilgrim's Progress, it is the map that gets us through 306 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,440 S1: from that day of salvation. When we throw off our 307 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,640 S1: backpack of sin before we cross over into the Celestial City. 308 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,040 S1: I don't know how one lives without the scriptures and 309 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,870 S1: the the companionship of the Holy Spirit. So I find 310 00:15:42,870 --> 00:15:46,310 S1: it interesting that there is. Forgive me, but there's this 311 00:15:46,310 --> 00:15:49,310 S1: idea that one has the liberty to pick and choose 312 00:15:49,590 --> 00:15:52,510 S1: biblical truths that do or do not apply to the 313 00:15:52,510 --> 00:15:55,030 S1: world around you. There's a kind of hubris there that 314 00:15:55,030 --> 00:15:57,710 S1: is stunning to me. Um, and yet when you looked 315 00:15:57,710 --> 00:16:00,030 S1: at some key categories of life and whether or not 316 00:16:00,030 --> 00:16:03,510 S1: they practice and I'll use this word applied Christianity, they 317 00:16:03,510 --> 00:16:05,430 S1: may have said, yes, I absolutely believe it on Sunday. 318 00:16:05,430 --> 00:16:08,710 S1: But Monday rolls around and there's, there's a disconnect between 319 00:16:08,710 --> 00:16:11,310 S1: applying the principles and precepts of God's Word to how 320 00:16:11,310 --> 00:16:13,830 S1: they see the world around them. So give some of 321 00:16:13,830 --> 00:16:15,750 S1: our listeners evidence to that effect. 322 00:16:16,630 --> 00:16:20,430 S7: Yeah. I mean, when we start to look at people's worldview, 323 00:16:20,430 --> 00:16:23,230 S7: first of all, understand that the way we measure it, 324 00:16:23,270 --> 00:16:26,750 S7: we're not asking people to be perfect. All we're doing 325 00:16:26,750 --> 00:16:28,390 S7: is we're saying, okay, we're going to look at two 326 00:16:28,390 --> 00:16:32,350 S7: different elements. And you've alluded brilliantly to the two, which is, 327 00:16:32,390 --> 00:16:36,510 S7: you know, beliefs. They matter. But why do beliefs matter? Well, 328 00:16:36,550 --> 00:16:40,050 S7: because you do it. You believe. You act according to 329 00:16:40,090 --> 00:16:43,490 S7: what you think is true or relevant or appropriate or 330 00:16:43,490 --> 00:16:46,930 S7: helpful to your own life. And so that second category 331 00:16:46,970 --> 00:16:49,930 S7: has to be behavior. So we look at both beliefs 332 00:16:49,930 --> 00:16:52,930 S7: and behavior. And what we find is that there is 333 00:16:52,930 --> 00:16:55,970 S7: that disconnect where you've got a lot of people who, 334 00:16:56,010 --> 00:16:58,650 S7: for instance, are going to church, but they don't believe 335 00:16:58,650 --> 00:17:00,930 S7: the Bible is the true Word of God. They don't 336 00:17:00,930 --> 00:17:04,649 S7: believe that they need to personally worship God. Uh, you know, 337 00:17:04,810 --> 00:17:07,890 S7: when they pray, their prayers are not listening to God, 338 00:17:07,890 --> 00:17:10,250 S7: they're telling God what he needs to do. So there's 339 00:17:10,290 --> 00:17:10,889 S7: a problem. 340 00:17:11,090 --> 00:17:11,449 S3: Wow. 341 00:17:11,970 --> 00:17:14,130 S1: George, I never allocate enough time. There's just too much 342 00:17:14,130 --> 00:17:15,929 S1: richness here for us to take apart. By the way, 343 00:17:15,930 --> 00:17:17,370 S1: I do have a link so that you all can 344 00:17:17,369 --> 00:17:19,970 S1: do your homework and you can read the research. It's 345 00:17:19,970 --> 00:17:22,210 S1: right there on my website. I'm so glad Doctor Barnes 346 00:17:22,210 --> 00:17:24,250 S1: is with us for another segment so we can take 347 00:17:24,250 --> 00:17:25,810 S1: a look at this because I don't know about you. 348 00:17:25,810 --> 00:17:29,610 S1: This is very disconcerting to me. This profound disconnect means 349 00:17:29,609 --> 00:17:31,570 S1: what for the present and for the future. We'll talk 350 00:17:31,570 --> 00:17:51,590 S1: more after this. Always, always, always a delight to talk 351 00:17:51,590 --> 00:17:53,989 S1: with Doctor George Barnett. And if I can, I was 352 00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:56,149 S1: thinking about this during the break. The reason why I 353 00:17:56,150 --> 00:17:58,590 S1: asked Doctor Byner to explain methodology is because here in 354 00:17:58,590 --> 00:18:01,030 S1: Washington DC, we've got what we call white paper reports. 355 00:18:01,030 --> 00:18:04,150 S1: They tend to be sort of the backdrop for pending 356 00:18:04,150 --> 00:18:08,270 S1: or proposed legislation, and their methodology has to be above reproach. 357 00:18:08,270 --> 00:18:10,790 S1: It has to pass scrutiny. It has to have, uh, 358 00:18:11,150 --> 00:18:15,110 S1: enough peer reviewed and enough objective standards that it will 359 00:18:15,109 --> 00:18:17,630 S1: pass the scrutiny that it's going to eventually pass when 360 00:18:17,630 --> 00:18:21,070 S1: it's submitted into evidence, when there's a committee hearing about legislation. 361 00:18:21,070 --> 00:18:24,830 S1: So Doctor Barnett's approach is above reproach on the methodology. 362 00:18:24,830 --> 00:18:28,070 S1: That's important. So that's the methodology question. The content now 363 00:18:28,270 --> 00:18:30,790 S1: is the part that, as followers of Jesus Christ, serves 364 00:18:30,790 --> 00:18:33,590 S1: as a wake up call to us. Again, George is 365 00:18:33,590 --> 00:18:36,540 S1: the director of research and the co-founder of the Cultural 366 00:18:36,540 --> 00:18:39,660 S1: Research Center at Arizona Christian University, is also a professor 367 00:18:39,660 --> 00:18:42,780 S1: there as well. And the latest installment of the American 368 00:18:42,780 --> 00:18:46,140 S1: Worldview Inventory is out. And it shows that even committed 369 00:18:46,140 --> 00:18:50,540 S1: Christians struggle with application as overwhelming. Majority of U.S. adults 370 00:18:50,580 --> 00:18:54,340 S1: lack biblical basics. Now that's a problem. George, if I can, 371 00:18:54,380 --> 00:18:56,580 S1: just in deference to time, some of the summations in 372 00:18:56,580 --> 00:18:58,860 S1: the press release that you sent out that dealt with this, 373 00:18:59,020 --> 00:19:01,420 S1: you talked about the fact that a biblical worldview alignment 374 00:19:01,420 --> 00:19:04,419 S1: is low across every category, measured that family and the 375 00:19:04,420 --> 00:19:07,900 S1: value of life are the weakest worldview category across every 376 00:19:07,900 --> 00:19:11,340 S1: group measured that even the most biblically aligned believers show 377 00:19:11,340 --> 00:19:14,940 S1: surprising vulnerability to cultural influence. And then the one that 378 00:19:14,940 --> 00:19:17,260 S1: really bothers me the most, perhaps, is the collapse of 379 00:19:17,260 --> 00:19:22,860 S1: the biblical worldview among younger generation is severe and nearly total. 380 00:19:23,140 --> 00:19:24,300 S1: Talk to me about that one. 381 00:19:25,180 --> 00:19:28,860 S7: Well, you remember when we started off our conversation, I 382 00:19:28,859 --> 00:19:32,580 S7: started alluding to truth. And as I try to trace back. 383 00:19:32,619 --> 00:19:35,480 S7: All right, where did they miss the boat? Where did 384 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,360 S7: people under the age of 40 in particular get off 385 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:43,440 S7: the boat, go into our biblical truth and decide that 386 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:48,119 S7: personal truth was really the route to follow. And, you know, 387 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,639 S7: I mean, that's really the thing. It all comes back 388 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,600 S7: to truth. Where are you going to go now? A 389 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,080 S7: biblical Christian will say, you know, I have feelings, I 390 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:00,000 S7: have preferences, I have desires. That's nice. But what does 391 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:05,560 S7: God say? Because from our perspective, God is truth. It's 392 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,199 S7: not just that he knows truth or he's willing to 393 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,400 S7: talk with us about our perceptions of truth. He is truth. 394 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,640 S7: He can do nothing other than what is true and 395 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:19,080 S7: right and proper and appropriate. And so if I as 396 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,760 S7: a believer want to know truth, I need to go 397 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,120 S7: back to the source, which is God. And you know, 398 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,840 S7: some people say, well, yeah, but you know, the, the 399 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,159 S7: charismatic gifts aren't operative today, okay? Even if you're in 400 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:35,270 S7: that camp, it doesn't matter because God distilled his truth 401 00:20:35,390 --> 00:20:39,150 S7: into a relatively short book that he's given to us 402 00:20:39,150 --> 00:20:40,950 S7: to guide us through life. And that's what we call 403 00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:44,110 S7: the Bible. And so if you want to know truth, 404 00:20:44,109 --> 00:20:45,910 S7: all you have to do is open up the guidebook 405 00:20:45,950 --> 00:20:48,470 S7: and figure out, okay, where does it talk about this 406 00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:52,310 S7: issue that I'm wondering about or struggling with or debating on? 407 00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:56,109 S7: And so when we look at young people, number one, 408 00:20:56,109 --> 00:20:59,190 S7: by and large, they don't own Bibles. Number two, they 409 00:20:59,190 --> 00:21:03,590 S7: don't read the Bible. Number three, they don't trust the Bible. 410 00:21:03,630 --> 00:21:06,910 S7: Number four, they don't believe that the Bible is relevant 411 00:21:06,910 --> 00:21:10,350 S7: to the modern or in our case, postmodern life. And 412 00:21:10,350 --> 00:21:13,630 S7: so they don't believe in God. They don't believe in 413 00:21:13,630 --> 00:21:17,949 S7: the scriptures, and consequently, they believe that they have to 414 00:21:17,950 --> 00:21:20,389 S7: go somewhere else for truth. And where they've decided to 415 00:21:20,430 --> 00:21:24,030 S7: go is inward. And what does that mean for them? 416 00:21:24,030 --> 00:21:27,830 S7: For the most part, it means their feelings. And so 417 00:21:27,869 --> 00:21:32,490 S7: that's that's, I think the major point of divergence between 418 00:21:32,490 --> 00:21:37,170 S7: our young people and our older generations. The older generations 419 00:21:37,170 --> 00:21:39,970 S7: are not close to hitting a home run. I mean, 420 00:21:40,050 --> 00:21:42,210 S7: on a good day, we're hitting a single. But, you know, 421 00:21:42,410 --> 00:21:45,930 S7: I mean, younger generations are just striking out on this 422 00:21:46,130 --> 00:21:50,010 S7: because they don't buy the baseline assumption that God is 423 00:21:50,050 --> 00:21:54,450 S7: God is real, God is truth. God is just. God 424 00:21:54,450 --> 00:21:58,490 S7: loves us. And because of those characteristics, he chose to 425 00:21:58,530 --> 00:22:01,970 S7: give us help. He not only gave us Jesus Christ 426 00:22:02,010 --> 00:22:04,409 S7: to die for our sins so that we can be 427 00:22:04,410 --> 00:22:08,290 S7: reconciled with him, but he also gave us the guidebook 428 00:22:08,290 --> 00:22:12,090 S7: that will help us to know how to live. If 429 00:22:12,090 --> 00:22:15,010 S7: I'm really grateful for what Jesus did for me on 430 00:22:15,010 --> 00:22:18,970 S7: the cross, I need to show that I can't just say, yeah, 431 00:22:18,970 --> 00:22:21,250 S7: it was cool thing he did. No, it's a whole 432 00:22:21,250 --> 00:22:23,610 S7: lot more than that. And so, you know, I need 433 00:22:23,609 --> 00:22:25,530 S7: to have that guidebook and he's given it to us. 434 00:22:25,850 --> 00:22:27,689 S1: George, how do we get to the baseline? How do 435 00:22:27,690 --> 00:22:29,969 S1: we make the baseline attractive? When you were talking, I 436 00:22:29,970 --> 00:22:31,880 S1: thought of some video I just saw today of a 437 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:36,080 S1: monster church that played stairway to Heaven, complete with lights 438 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,919 S1: and fireworks as part of their Palm Sunday. And I 439 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,760 S1: thought to myself, Where is Jesus in the midst of 440 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,880 S1: all of this? And you talk now about the the 441 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,960 S1: Gen Z, the younger generations that have lost totally this 442 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,119 S1: biblical worldview. Do they need rock and roll and more 443 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,280 S1: lights to be able to see? Oh yes. Now I 444 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,080 S1: will accept the baseline assumptions of what Scripture is. In 445 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,720 S1: other words, it's practical, it's practice. It's pragmatic, but it's 446 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,720 S1: also attractive. How do we get to them to help 447 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,560 S1: them understand the attractiveness of this transcendent truth? 448 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,040 S7: It. You know, when you go back and you look 449 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:13,040 S7: at how, how, um, discipleship works, becoming a follower of Christ, 450 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,960 S7: it doesn't happen. And forgive me any pastors who are listening. 451 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,199 S7: I don't mean to undermine what you're doing, but it 452 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,760 S7: doesn't typically happen through church services. Even if somebody is 453 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,560 S7: attracted to Christ through that, and that's a great thing. 454 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,460 S7: It doesn't go anywhere. Just like in evangelistic events. It 455 00:23:29,460 --> 00:23:32,820 S7: tends not to go anywhere unless there's a personal follow 456 00:23:32,859 --> 00:23:37,899 S7: up with somebody who's trusted and invested and serves as 457 00:23:37,900 --> 00:23:41,379 S7: a role model, because how do we learn these things? Well, 458 00:23:41,380 --> 00:23:45,460 S7: we listen to them, but they're almost foreign to us. 459 00:23:45,660 --> 00:23:48,060 S7: And so the next thing we do, and we learned 460 00:23:48,060 --> 00:23:51,100 S7: this from studying children and how they can become disciples, 461 00:23:51,100 --> 00:23:54,540 S7: how they can develop a biblical worldview. It's through models, 462 00:23:54,540 --> 00:23:57,700 S7: role models. And so they've got to have somebody not 463 00:23:57,700 --> 00:24:00,660 S7: only that they spend time with, but somebody who shows 464 00:24:00,660 --> 00:24:03,580 S7: them this is what the Christ life looks like. 465 00:24:04,220 --> 00:24:08,459 S1: Amen. You know, on the tombstone that's in the Westminster 466 00:24:08,460 --> 00:24:11,700 S1: Abbey for William Wilberforce, it says something I will never forget. 467 00:24:11,740 --> 00:24:14,500 S1: And it's so powerful. He lived his life with the 468 00:24:14,500 --> 00:24:17,820 S1: eloquence of the gospel. We have to live our lives 469 00:24:17,820 --> 00:24:20,780 S1: with that same eloquence to be attractive enough in our 470 00:24:20,780 --> 00:24:23,500 S1: relationship with Christ that it becomes a calling card for 471 00:24:23,500 --> 00:24:26,260 S1: others who cannot see the relevancy or the purpose of 472 00:24:26,260 --> 00:24:29,400 S1: applied In Christianity. And by the way, George just gave 473 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,080 S1: every single one of us a challenge. Who have you 474 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,360 S1: taken under your wing to disciple without it? We have 475 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,760 S1: a lost generation, George. Thank you. Please continue your outstanding 476 00:24:37,760 --> 00:25:00,760 S1: and important work back after this. Let me give a 477 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,639 S1: big shout out to our partial partners. Thank you friends. 478 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,200 S1: Partial partners are becoming the backbone of this ministry. 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Tinubu, where are you? as your people 488 00:26:26,450 --> 00:26:29,609 S9: are slaughtered in the night as you sit in a 489 00:26:29,970 --> 00:26:33,090 S9: can you do. Absolutely nothing. You allow your people to 490 00:26:33,090 --> 00:26:37,010 S9: be killed again and again and again and again. When 491 00:26:37,010 --> 00:26:39,530 S9: will it stop? When will you hear the cries of 492 00:26:39,530 --> 00:26:44,810 S9: Nigerians of Christians? You can no longer deny genocide. They're 493 00:26:44,810 --> 00:26:50,610 S9: being slaughtered and you say there's no issue. You will 494 00:26:50,609 --> 00:26:51,850 S9: regret what you are doing. 495 00:26:53,450 --> 00:26:57,650 S1: So you started this segment listening to Nigerian Christians. Praise 496 00:26:57,650 --> 00:26:59,850 S1: the Lord. And then you heard from a young man 497 00:26:59,850 --> 00:27:04,050 S1: in utter and abject exasperation about what is happening to 498 00:27:04,090 --> 00:27:07,090 S1: the people in Nigeria. You know, we wondered if this 499 00:27:07,090 --> 00:27:08,929 S1: would happen. It's been a pattern with all of the 500 00:27:08,930 --> 00:27:12,970 S1: terrorist attacks going against Christians in Nigeria. But on Palm Sunday, 501 00:27:13,010 --> 00:27:17,170 S1: nearly 30 people were killed in Nigeria. The incident occurred 502 00:27:17,170 --> 00:27:20,450 S1: during the evening when armed men reportedly entered the community, 503 00:27:20,450 --> 00:27:23,370 S1: opened fire on the residents. Eyewitness described the attack as 504 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:28,240 S1: coordinated with multiple casualties recorded and several homes affected. Following 505 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,760 S1: the incident, the Plateau State Government imposed a 48 hour 506 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,440 S1: curfew in parts of Northern Joss to contain the situation. 507 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,159 S1: Despite the restriction, residents, including young people, were seen on 508 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,600 S1: the streets protesting the killings and blocking roads in some areas. 509 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:50,080 S1: Separate reports from the junction and nearby student residential communities 510 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,159 S1: indicate that at least ten people were killed during gunfire 511 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,360 S1: early on Sunday. One human humanitarian worker shared a video 512 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,040 S1: that was posted on social media. The victims were Christians 513 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,080 S1: attacked on Palm Sunday and residents are giving different accounts 514 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,240 S1: of the attackers. One of them described them as members 515 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,000 S1: of Boko Haram. Others alleged that they were armed. Fulani militia, 516 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,560 S1: who arrived on motorcycles, fired sporadically and then retreated toward 517 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,880 S1: nearby mountainous areas. As of the time of the original 518 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,240 S1: reporting of this story, security agencies had not issued a 519 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,140 S1: government statement exactly what that young man was talking about. 520 00:28:23,140 --> 00:28:26,820 S1: Confirming the identity of the attackers and local sources have 521 00:28:26,820 --> 00:28:29,780 S1: advised students living near the affected areas to remain indoors 522 00:28:29,820 --> 00:28:32,860 S1: as tensions persist. We're going to take this next part 523 00:28:32,859 --> 00:28:35,500 S1: of the program and really focus on this horrific situation 524 00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:39,060 S1: in Nigeria. It is genocide. It is such a huge 525 00:28:39,060 --> 00:28:41,940 S1: problem that finally, our administration here in the United States 526 00:28:41,940 --> 00:28:45,020 S1: has put Nigeria on the list of countries of particular concern. 527 00:28:45,020 --> 00:28:48,820 S1: In fact, it even goes beyond that. Interestingly, the Nigerian 528 00:28:48,820 --> 00:28:52,580 S1: Archbishop is calling on President Trump to give Nigeria the 529 00:28:52,580 --> 00:28:56,180 S1: intelligence reports, weapons and collaboration needed to crush the violence 530 00:28:56,180 --> 00:28:59,660 S1: and stop the brutal persecution of Christians. Why? Because for years, 531 00:28:59,660 --> 00:29:03,300 S1: radical militants have targeted innocent Christian communities in Nigeria with 532 00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:07,140 S1: mass killings, church attacks, tears and the world is looking away. 533 00:29:07,180 --> 00:29:09,860 S1: Enough is enough, and the president has already shown a 534 00:29:09,860 --> 00:29:13,020 S1: light on this crisis and taken action against ISIS and extremists. 535 00:29:13,060 --> 00:29:15,380 S1: Now it's the time to stand up for the Christians 536 00:29:15,380 --> 00:29:18,820 S1: that are being slaughtered in Nigeria. What does that entail? 537 00:29:18,860 --> 00:29:21,280 S1: Is it aid? Is it having them have the tools 538 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,800 S1: they need to fight back. We cannot ignore what is 539 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,160 S1: going on and that's why I want to focus on 540 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,000 S1: it this particular hour. Joining me to talk about this 541 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,880 S1: is Clint Lyons. He serves as an executive director at 542 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,880 S1: Ireach Global, which is focused on empowering persecuted Christians through 543 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,760 S1: physical care, spiritual growth, and community impact. Clint, the warmest 544 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,840 S1: of welcomes. I welcome you under what are horrific circumstances. 545 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,120 S1: We watched what happened last Sunday. Now we have to 546 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,000 S1: pray against something like this happening on Easter Sunday. Terrorists 547 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,000 S1: are very tuned in to timetables. They know exactly what 548 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,640 S1: Palm Sunday and Easter Sunday mean to Christians, and that 549 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,480 S1: makes them very vulnerable at this time of year. Before 550 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,200 S1: I get some of your input, for a lot of 551 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,120 S1: people who are listening all across the country, Clint, they've 552 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,800 S1: never heard of Ireach global. Tell me about your ministry first. 553 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,800 S10: Yeah, thank you, Janet, and thank you for having us on. 554 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,680 S10: And thank you for shedding light on this really important topic. 555 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,040 S10: It's a topic that so many people are ignoring, and 556 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:19,040 S10: I'm grateful that you're highlighting it. Outreachglobal we work with 557 00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:23,470 S10: on the ground local networks of Christians helping those who 558 00:30:23,470 --> 00:30:25,870 S10: are in the midst of persecution. We do that through 559 00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:29,229 S10: physical care. We send food packs, we send Bibles, we 560 00:30:29,270 --> 00:30:34,790 S10: send hygiene products to these affected villages and areas where 561 00:30:35,150 --> 00:30:37,470 S10: people have lost everything. And that's a big part of 562 00:30:37,470 --> 00:30:41,030 S10: what we're doing in Nigeria right now as these killings 563 00:30:41,030 --> 00:30:44,470 S10: and what you appropriately called a genocide continues. 564 00:30:44,790 --> 00:30:48,190 S1: Mhm. Wow. Unbelievable. Here's the part that's frustrating, first of all, 565 00:30:48,190 --> 00:30:50,270 S1: and that is the government seems to be silent, as 566 00:30:50,270 --> 00:30:53,830 S1: that young man posted on social media platform said, you're silent. 567 00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:56,910 S1: You're not doing anything. They were supposed to be some 568 00:30:56,910 --> 00:30:59,710 S1: kind of support from the government. We understand that there's 569 00:30:59,710 --> 00:31:02,870 S1: an ideological shift in the country where you've got an 570 00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:06,670 S1: Islamic dominated worldview, and then you've got many, many, many 571 00:31:06,670 --> 00:31:09,430 S1: Christians who are very faithful in their faith, and yet 572 00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:13,470 S1: the government is complicit by non-action. Why do you think 573 00:31:13,470 --> 00:31:14,030 S1: that is? 574 00:31:14,750 --> 00:31:16,590 S10: Well, I think a lot of times they're trying to 575 00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:19,650 S10: save face. They're trying to make things look better than 576 00:31:19,650 --> 00:31:21,410 S10: they are. I mean, how else could you explain the 577 00:31:21,410 --> 00:31:24,890 S10: fact that they spent millions of dollars hiring a DC 578 00:31:24,930 --> 00:31:28,930 S10: based PR firm to clean up their image? They know 579 00:31:28,930 --> 00:31:31,530 S10: that they are in trouble. They know that things are 580 00:31:31,530 --> 00:31:34,050 S10: not good there, and they're doing their best to put 581 00:31:34,050 --> 00:31:37,050 S10: on a good face to avoid having to be held 582 00:31:37,050 --> 00:31:40,690 S10: to account for their lack of action on this issue. 583 00:31:41,050 --> 00:31:43,970 S1: Yeah, exactly. I'm glad you brought that up, because I 584 00:31:43,970 --> 00:31:46,730 S1: think so often for Christians, we think it's a linear pathway. 585 00:31:46,730 --> 00:31:49,090 S1: You move from A to B. I think it would 586 00:31:49,090 --> 00:31:51,730 S1: help us in understanding how we can help our brothers 587 00:31:51,730 --> 00:31:54,570 S1: and sisters, because let's just go to the basics here, friends. 588 00:31:54,570 --> 00:31:57,010 S1: When one part of the body hurts, we all hurt. 589 00:31:57,050 --> 00:31:59,010 S1: They came to faith in Christ the same way you 590 00:31:59,010 --> 00:32:01,010 S1: and I came to faith in Christ. They're paying a 591 00:32:01,050 --> 00:32:04,210 S1: horrific price for making that decision. One you and I 592 00:32:04,250 --> 00:32:07,370 S1: will probably never know exists. If you think of your 593 00:32:07,370 --> 00:32:09,410 S1: role as the center of a wheel and you've got 594 00:32:09,410 --> 00:32:12,050 S1: multiple spokes coming out of it, you understand there are 595 00:32:12,090 --> 00:32:15,050 S1: a wide variety of ways for you to not only pray, 596 00:32:15,050 --> 00:32:18,400 S1: but to act as well. So let me just wait 597 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,520 S1: until the geopolitics of this a little bit. It is 598 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,040 S1: significant here in DC when a country finally gets on 599 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,840 S1: the list of nations of particular concern, it has a 600 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,320 S1: marvelous way of triggering certain actions by the government. It 601 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,120 S1: can call into account questions of aid, etc., like you 602 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,840 S1: pointed out, for the government to come to K Street 603 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,920 S1: with all the lobbyists and to get some influence so 604 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,240 S1: they can, quote, clean up their act is all well 605 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,200 S1: and good, but you've got blood all over the headlines 606 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,360 S1: on a regular basis, and you've turned a blind eye 607 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,280 S1: and a deaf ear. In my town, money doesn't talk. 608 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,640 S1: It screams. So maybe one of the actions is we say, listen, 609 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,240 S1: if you want continued U.S. aid and we do provide it, 610 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,360 S1: you're not going to get it unless you overtly do 611 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,840 S1: something to mitigate the debt that's going on in your country. 612 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,400 S10: I think that is a great, great point, and it's 613 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,400 S10: a great starting point. I think in addition to those 614 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,880 S10: types of, uh, embargoes and sanctions, I think we also 615 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,320 S10: need to have targeted sanctions against the government officials who 616 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,720 S10: we know are, you know, not complicit in this whole 617 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:20,780 S10: issue through their silence. You know, there are without a doubt, um, 618 00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:24,900 S10: officials and people across the nation who are not just 619 00:33:24,940 --> 00:33:28,180 S10: in a sense being silent and which is happening, but, 620 00:33:28,220 --> 00:33:32,540 S10: you know, absolutely complicit in this by, uh, you know, 621 00:33:32,580 --> 00:33:35,020 S10: telling military to stand down when they should be going 622 00:33:35,020 --> 00:33:37,660 S10: in and pushing back the terrorists. And so we have 623 00:33:37,660 --> 00:33:39,780 S10: got to hold them to account. And that's the only 624 00:33:39,780 --> 00:33:42,060 S10: way that we're going to get the kind of transparency 625 00:33:42,060 --> 00:33:44,700 S10: that we need to reach some kind of solution. 626 00:33:44,740 --> 00:33:47,620 S1: Exactly. And I'm so glad for what you're saying, Clint, 627 00:33:47,620 --> 00:33:50,420 S1: because it reminds Christians, again, that it's not an either or. 628 00:33:50,420 --> 00:33:52,540 S1: It's a both end. You use the voice that God 629 00:33:52,540 --> 00:33:54,660 S1: has given you, first of all, to bang on the 630 00:33:54,660 --> 00:33:56,660 S1: doors of heaven and to boldly enter the throne of 631 00:33:56,660 --> 00:33:59,140 S1: grace and be praying for protection for our brothers and sister, 632 00:33:59,140 --> 00:34:01,780 S1: and for wisdom for the leaders. You don't have to say, 633 00:34:01,780 --> 00:34:03,740 S1: I'll either contact the government or I'll pray you can 634 00:34:03,740 --> 00:34:05,820 S1: do it all and you should do it all. And 635 00:34:05,820 --> 00:34:08,219 S1: I think you need to recognize players on Capitol Hill 636 00:34:08,219 --> 00:34:10,979 S1: like Ted Cruz on the Senate side and Chris Smith 637 00:34:10,980 --> 00:34:13,500 S1: on the House side. Both are very active on the 638 00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:16,880 S1: committees that deal with human rights. These are human rights violations. 639 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,480 S1: Worldly language. But you get what they're doing, and you 640 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,400 S1: don't have to be one of their constituents if you're 641 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,440 S1: concerned about human rights violations. And this is a classic 642 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,040 S1: case of human rights violation. Then you need to encourage 643 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,640 S1: them to, say, introduce legislation, propose cutting off funds, targeted 644 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,720 S1: US sanctions, which I loved what you just said, Clint, 645 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,040 S1: against some of the leaders who are being outright complicit. 646 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,680 S1: Non-action is action in this case. And so there needs 647 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,040 S1: to be an accountability for some of this. I looked 648 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,200 S1: at some of the pictures that, you know, social media 649 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,640 S1: puts us right there in the middle of these stories. 650 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,320 S1: I saw people who were hatchets to death, I mean, barbaric. 651 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,080 S1: The faces that were split open, I mean, and there 652 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,720 S1: and again, this is an Old Testament story. These Christians 653 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,200 S1: are not hated for something. They've done their hated for 654 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,640 S1: who they are, period. It is the goal for them 655 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,440 S1: to the, the Islamic, uh, faction. And all of this 656 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,080 S1: wants what Islam always does. It's advanced by the sword, 657 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,480 S1: quite literally, literally. And it will be the islamification of Nigeria. 658 00:35:12,670 --> 00:35:15,430 S1: Talk to me about Nigeria and the surrounding countries. You know, 659 00:35:15,469 --> 00:35:19,230 S1: so often there's extra state influence that happens that brings 660 00:35:19,230 --> 00:35:23,029 S1: in impacts into your state. So when you look at Nigeria, 661 00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:26,310 S1: what countries surround Nigeria and are they helping or hurting 662 00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:27,230 S1: the situation? 663 00:35:28,350 --> 00:35:30,550 S10: Yeah, and that's a great point, is that Nigeria doesn't 664 00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:34,310 S10: exist kind of in a vacuum. It's part and parcel 665 00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:40,469 S10: of the region around it. That particular area, Nigeria, Niger 666 00:35:40,469 --> 00:35:43,830 S10: and Chad and all those nations are part of what 667 00:35:43,830 --> 00:35:46,470 S10: we call the Sahel region of Africa. And the Sahel 668 00:35:46,469 --> 00:35:48,109 S10: region is kind of like a if you draw a 669 00:35:48,110 --> 00:35:51,510 S10: line just below the Sahara Desert. And frankly, that is 670 00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:56,910 S10: where the vast majority of, um, killings when it comes to, um, 671 00:35:56,910 --> 00:35:59,669 S10: Christian killings in the world are happening is in that 672 00:35:59,710 --> 00:36:02,990 S10: region right there. Uh, and it's important to know that 673 00:36:02,989 --> 00:36:06,950 S10: these groups, whether it's ISIS, West Africa, whether it's Boko Haram, 674 00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:10,310 S10: whether it's the Fulani ethnic militia, they have kind of 675 00:36:10,350 --> 00:36:16,290 S10: a National influence not constrained by borders. They they're active 676 00:36:16,290 --> 00:36:19,649 S10: throughout the region. So we absolutely have to take that 677 00:36:19,650 --> 00:36:20,330 S10: into account. 678 00:36:20,489 --> 00:36:22,770 S1: I'm so glad you brought that up. And again, evil 679 00:36:22,770 --> 00:36:25,770 S1: doesn't know any geographical boundaries there. This is an ideology. 680 00:36:25,770 --> 00:36:29,850 S1: And the tendril outreaches of this are surrounding Nigeria as well. Clint, 681 00:36:29,850 --> 00:36:32,130 S1: when we get back, I want to know specifically what 682 00:36:32,170 --> 00:36:34,850 S1: I Reach Global is doing and how we can support 683 00:36:34,890 --> 00:36:37,890 S1: what you're doing in that part of the world. This 684 00:36:37,890 --> 00:36:40,810 S1: is a crisis situation. And again, I always tell you, 685 00:36:40,850 --> 00:36:42,450 S1: when you come to this program, bring your prayer list, 686 00:36:42,450 --> 00:36:44,330 S1: because I'm pretty sure I'm going to try to lengthen 687 00:36:44,330 --> 00:36:47,450 S1: it for you. The assault just took place on Palm Sunday. 688 00:36:47,489 --> 00:36:50,610 S1: For years there's been an attack, multiple attacks on Easter Sunday. 689 00:36:50,610 --> 00:36:52,330 S1: We need to be praying against that right now. 690 00:37:07,730 --> 00:37:10,560 S11: Love the world and you want to see a better world. 691 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,880 S11: Your interest is not just free Palestine. I mean, there 692 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,719 S11: are more people dying in Nigeria than are dying in Palestine. 693 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:24,000 S11: I can tell you that last year alone, over 500,000 694 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,800 S11: Christians were killed in Nigeria just in one year. And 695 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,799 S11: and nobody's protesting. The activists are not saying anything. For me. 696 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:37,080 S11: That's hypocrisy in the north of Nigeria. Christians are being 697 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:42,919 S11: killed daily because the Islamic militants don't want Christians to 698 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,040 S11: exist in the north of Nigeria. They want to see 699 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,440 S11: a world where there are no Christians at all, and 700 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,520 S11: they want to conquer not just Nigeria. They want to 701 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,759 S11: conquer Africa. They want to conquer Europe and they want 702 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,839 S11: to conquer America. The younger generation who want to live 703 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,600 S11: in a better world must speak out today. 704 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:03,600 S12: MM. 705 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,759 S1: Oh, I'm so thankful you are hearing this. So we 706 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,660 S1: live in a country where we celebrate free speech. And 707 00:38:09,660 --> 00:38:11,779 S1: so they'll march in the streets of our cities to 708 00:38:11,820 --> 00:38:14,379 S1: say no kings. Last time I checked, we don't have one, 709 00:38:14,380 --> 00:38:15,980 S1: by the way. That's why we had a revolution. I 710 00:38:16,020 --> 00:38:18,899 S1: give you 1776. We do have a king that's coming 711 00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:21,460 S1: to visit us, by the way, in April, it's going 712 00:38:21,460 --> 00:38:24,460 S1: to be the first time since his mother visited in 1991. 713 00:38:24,460 --> 00:38:27,380 S1: And Prince Charles will make an address. King Charles, pardon me, 714 00:38:27,420 --> 00:38:29,620 S1: will be making address to Congress, which is going to 715 00:38:29,620 --> 00:38:32,900 S1: be very interesting. But this Nigerian, in his impassioned plea, 716 00:38:32,900 --> 00:38:35,140 S1: said something very important. They're marching on the campus of 717 00:38:35,140 --> 00:38:38,859 S1: Columbia to free, free Palestine. I'm I'm sorry, where are 718 00:38:38,860 --> 00:38:41,779 S1: the marches for the 500,000 Nigerians have been butchered just 719 00:38:41,780 --> 00:38:45,540 S1: because they're Christians? Or is it because they're Christians that 720 00:38:45,540 --> 00:38:48,859 S1: nobody's marching? And again, let me underscore the fact that 721 00:38:48,860 --> 00:38:51,980 S1: they're being slaughtered simply because of what they believe, not 722 00:38:51,980 --> 00:38:55,180 S1: because of anything they have done? And there are many 723 00:38:55,180 --> 00:38:58,299 S1: peaceful practitioners of Islam. But you delude yourself if you 724 00:38:58,340 --> 00:39:01,540 S1: don't understand that Islam is advanced by the sword. The 725 00:39:01,540 --> 00:39:05,460 S1: total annihilation of any Christian influence is their goal. The 726 00:39:05,460 --> 00:39:09,049 S1: dominant religion of the globe, they demand will be Islam. 727 00:39:09,370 --> 00:39:12,370 S1: But the gospel has a wonderful way of penetrating the darkness, 728 00:39:12,370 --> 00:39:14,489 S1: does it not? And I'm so thankful for ministries like 729 00:39:14,489 --> 00:39:17,290 S1: I Reach Global where they really and truly are helping 730 00:39:17,290 --> 00:39:20,490 S1: the persecuted church with physical care needs on their tons 731 00:39:20,489 --> 00:39:23,810 S1: of those spiritual growth and community impact. And Clint Lyons 732 00:39:23,810 --> 00:39:26,649 S1: says the privilege of serving as the executive director at 733 00:39:26,650 --> 00:39:29,810 S1: Ireach Global. So that takes me full circle. You've challenged 734 00:39:29,810 --> 00:39:31,529 S1: us to use our voice. We've given a couple of 735 00:39:31,530 --> 00:39:33,210 S1: names on Capitol Hill where you could use your voice. 736 00:39:33,210 --> 00:39:35,330 S1: The president of the United States is beginning to move. 737 00:39:35,370 --> 00:39:38,730 S1: He's listening to Christians on this. Getting Nigeria on that 738 00:39:38,730 --> 00:39:42,930 S1: nation list of concerns was unbelievably significant. Although most of 739 00:39:42,930 --> 00:39:45,370 S1: the alphabet soup media wouldn't have stated it as such. 740 00:39:45,370 --> 00:39:47,890 S1: But tell me, in terms of policy, that was big 741 00:39:47,890 --> 00:39:50,609 S1: but on a spiritual plane, because at its core, this 742 00:39:50,610 --> 00:39:53,450 S1: is a spiritual war. So no Department of War, Department 743 00:39:53,450 --> 00:39:55,810 S1: of State, the United Nations is going to eradicate this. 744 00:39:55,810 --> 00:39:59,730 S1: This is a spiritual war. So enlist us in the Army. Clint, 745 00:39:59,730 --> 00:40:01,489 S1: what can we do to make a difference here? These 746 00:40:01,489 --> 00:40:03,650 S1: are our brothers and sisters. We're going to be spending 747 00:40:03,690 --> 00:40:06,630 S1: eternity with them. They are paying a price and we 748 00:40:06,670 --> 00:40:08,670 S1: are to be praying for those being led away in chains. 749 00:40:08,670 --> 00:40:09,510 S1: So what do we do? 750 00:40:10,590 --> 00:40:12,230 S10: Well, I think one of the most important things we 751 00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:16,069 S10: can give is our voice. We must speak out for 752 00:40:16,270 --> 00:40:19,270 S10: the Christians who are being butchered. You know, you said 753 00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:21,509 S10: the Bible versus the Scripture says that if one of 754 00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:24,350 S10: us suffer, we all suffer. And that's absolutely true. We 755 00:40:24,350 --> 00:40:27,069 S10: need to treat their suffering as our suffering, and we 756 00:40:27,070 --> 00:40:30,710 S10: need to stand in solidarity with them. You know, one 757 00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:32,750 S10: way that we're doing that and you can get involved 758 00:40:32,750 --> 00:40:37,310 S10: with is going on to Global.org. We are sending survival 759 00:40:37,310 --> 00:40:40,430 S10: kits to these Christians, and this kit provides them with 760 00:40:40,469 --> 00:40:44,910 S10: two weeks of food, hygiene items and a Bible to 761 00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:48,910 S10: not only feed their, feed them physically, but also feed 762 00:40:48,910 --> 00:40:52,189 S10: them spiritually and help them grow in their faith and 763 00:40:52,190 --> 00:40:55,910 S10: strengthen them to continue to resist persecution. So there's multiple 764 00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:58,630 S10: ways to take action. And another way is, is making 765 00:40:58,630 --> 00:41:02,390 S10: your voice heard to your congressperson to, to the halls 766 00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:05,450 S10: of government, because they're the ones who are making these 767 00:41:05,450 --> 00:41:09,730 S10: policies that are that are right now helping these Christians. 768 00:41:09,730 --> 00:41:12,609 S10: I can't tell you how encouraged the Christians I spoke 769 00:41:12,610 --> 00:41:16,529 S10: with were that President Trump was taking action, that somebody 770 00:41:16,770 --> 00:41:20,569 S10: was taking action. They felt seen, they felt heard, and 771 00:41:20,730 --> 00:41:23,770 S10: they are overjoyed. The fact that that the United States 772 00:41:23,770 --> 00:41:25,930 S10: is stepping up and taking these actions. 773 00:41:26,330 --> 00:41:28,690 S1: Amen. You know, on your website, the very first thing 774 00:41:28,690 --> 00:41:30,290 S1: that comes up, by the way, is a way for 775 00:41:30,290 --> 00:41:34,009 S1: us to tangibly help Nigerian Christians. And you quote a pastor, Daniel, 776 00:41:34,050 --> 00:41:36,450 S1: who says, and I'm quoting him from your website, we 777 00:41:36,450 --> 00:41:40,770 S1: need food, toiletries, provisions and prayers. Loving these heartless people 778 00:41:40,770 --> 00:41:43,529 S1: is difficult by the day. Please keep praying for us. 779 00:41:43,530 --> 00:41:46,489 S1: And if God opens doors, we need assistance. Raises a 780 00:41:46,489 --> 00:41:49,130 S1: couple of logistical questions because this is tantamount to a 781 00:41:49,130 --> 00:41:52,730 S1: war zone is I. I reach global able to get 782 00:41:52,730 --> 00:41:55,969 S1: the aid to the Nigerian Christians as needed, or is 783 00:41:55,969 --> 00:41:57,730 S1: that something we could be praying about? Do we need 784 00:41:57,730 --> 00:42:00,170 S1: to get you over walls, through the power of prayer 785 00:42:00,170 --> 00:42:01,650 S1: so that the aid can be delivered? 786 00:42:02,730 --> 00:42:04,880 S10: Well, it's both. And, you know, there are some areas 787 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,960 S10: where it's easy to go into than others. Fortunately, we 788 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,400 S10: have an extensive network of church partners on the ground. 789 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,480 S10: And this is a grassroots group of men and women 790 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,080 S10: volunteers who love Jesus and want to serve these communities. 791 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,880 S10: And we distribute every amount of aid, every bit of 792 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,719 S10: aid that comes through Outreachglobal is distributed through these churches. And, 793 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,239 S10: you know, there are, of course, are a lot of 794 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,520 S10: areas where these churches have been burned and, and, and 795 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,240 S10: villages have been taken out. But we're able to get into, 796 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,360 S10: you know, as people are displaced to even get into 797 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:40,680 S10: the IDP camps, internally displaced persons camps and provide the aid. And, 798 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,960 S10: you know, that's, that's of course, we need prayers for 799 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,000 S10: that as we continue to do that, because a lot 800 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:50,040 S10: of times we have drivers who are driving our, our 801 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,440 S10: survival kits in, uh, we have, um, security people who 802 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,680 S10: don't want to go into these areas that our people 803 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,879 S10: are going unarmed. So absolutely, we need your prayer for 804 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:01,919 S10: protection as we're going into these places. 805 00:43:01,980 --> 00:43:04,020 S1: Wow. Unbelievable. Okay. And I want to make it easy 806 00:43:04,020 --> 00:43:07,979 S1: for our friends. I reached Global.org. I reach, and that's 807 00:43:07,980 --> 00:43:11,460 S1: the letter I lowercase. I reach global.org. It's on my 808 00:43:11,460 --> 00:43:14,060 S1: information page. If you're driving, don't have an accident. It's 809 00:43:14,060 --> 00:43:16,100 S1: all right there for you to do. And then prayerfully 810 00:43:16,100 --> 00:43:18,540 S1: consider what you might do to get them physical aid. 811 00:43:18,739 --> 00:43:23,260 S1: You talked. Clint. I think very, um, importantly about the churches. 812 00:43:23,260 --> 00:43:25,060 S1: I have seen so much video in the last five 813 00:43:25,060 --> 00:43:28,180 S1: days of Nigerian Christians who are gathered together in what 814 00:43:28,180 --> 00:43:30,779 S1: is tantamount to rubble. It's the remains of what was 815 00:43:30,780 --> 00:43:33,219 S1: left of a church that was destroyed. And yet there 816 00:43:33,219 --> 00:43:35,500 S1: they are in their folding chairs and they're having prayer 817 00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:37,580 S1: and worship, just like you and I would be in church. 818 00:43:37,580 --> 00:43:39,380 S1: Never mind the fact that their church has been utterly 819 00:43:39,380 --> 00:43:42,299 S1: annihilated by people who hate them because they're following Jesus. 820 00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:44,779 S1: And every time I talk about the persecuted church, I 821 00:43:44,780 --> 00:43:47,020 S1: stand in front of my own spiritual mirror and say, 822 00:43:47,219 --> 00:43:50,140 S1: would I have the courage? Could I persevere? Would I 823 00:43:50,180 --> 00:43:52,339 S1: deny what I retreat? Hey, I can save my life. 824 00:43:52,340 --> 00:43:54,100 S1: It's going to be a whole lot more comfortable. And 825 00:43:54,100 --> 00:43:58,779 S1: yet these Nigerian Christians are not recanting. They're being faithful 826 00:43:58,780 --> 00:44:01,370 S1: to Jesus Christ no matter what it cost them. Where 827 00:44:01,370 --> 00:44:02,290 S1: does that come from? 828 00:44:03,210 --> 00:44:05,690 S10: I think it comes from a deep spiritual walk. It 829 00:44:05,690 --> 00:44:09,730 S10: comes from a close relationship with Jesus. You know, we 830 00:44:09,770 --> 00:44:12,290 S10: need to thank God for what we have in America. 831 00:44:12,290 --> 00:44:14,810 S10: We have the freedom right now to to believe and 832 00:44:14,810 --> 00:44:17,450 S10: to follow Jesus. A lot of these people don't have that, 833 00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:20,050 S10: and they know the grace of God. They know Jesus 834 00:44:20,050 --> 00:44:22,970 S10: in a way that you and I never will because 835 00:44:22,969 --> 00:44:25,569 S10: they are suffering for their faith. And so we need 836 00:44:25,570 --> 00:44:28,009 S10: to stand with them. And that is the responsibility of 837 00:44:28,010 --> 00:44:29,810 S10: every single Christian in America. 838 00:44:29,850 --> 00:44:31,890 S1: Amen. Oh, Clint, thank you for the gift of your 839 00:44:31,890 --> 00:44:35,090 S1: time and the overflow of your heart and sharing what's 840 00:44:35,090 --> 00:44:38,730 S1: going on in Nigeria. I reached Global.org, you heard this 841 00:44:38,969 --> 00:44:40,969 S1: is God calling you to pray and to support and 842 00:44:40,969 --> 00:44:42,930 S1: to use the voice that he's given you. I can 843 00:44:42,930 --> 00:44:44,650 S1: answer that question, but I can nudge you as a 844 00:44:44,650 --> 00:44:47,089 S1: brother or a sister in the Lord and say, pay attention. 845 00:44:47,090 --> 00:44:50,009 S1: These brothers and sisters are hurting. Thank you so much. 846 00:44:50,050 --> 00:44:53,130 S1: I reached Global.org thanks for joining us, friends. We'll see 847 00:44:53,130 --> 00:44:53,770 S1: you next time.