WEBVTT - Hour 1: Weekly Bible Study 0:00:08.990 --> 0:00:13.040 There was a hate crime a week ago today in 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:17.120 my neighborhood, just two blocks from my house. Stay with 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.849 me and I'll tell you about it, and also give 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:23.390 you a biblical explanation for it in just a moment. 0:00:24.530 --> 0:00:27.920 Welcome to Open Line, friends. I'm so glad to be 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:30.410 with you. My name is Michael Ray. I'm the academic 0:00:30.410 --> 0:00:33.980 dean and professor of Jewish studies and Bible at Moody 0:00:33.979 --> 0:00:38.600 Bible Institute. It's time for our Bible study across America. 0:00:38.780 --> 0:00:42.440 We're sitting around the radio kitchen table. I'm taking your 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:47.630 questions about the Bible, God, and the spiritual life. If 0:00:47.630 --> 0:00:49.970 you have a question, now's the time to call. It's 0:00:49.970 --> 0:00:51.860 always best to call at the start of the program. 0:00:51.860 --> 0:00:54.260 It's the easiest way to get in. Again, the phone 0:00:54.260 --> 0:01:02.280 number Three six, seven five. Tricia McMillan is in the 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:08.310 producer's chair. Omar Mendoza is our engineer today, and tiara 0:01:08.310 --> 0:01:11.880 is answering the phones, I believe. Did I get that right, Trish? 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:20.010 Yes I did. That's great. Again, the phone number (877) 548-3675. 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:22.110 Let me tell you about what happened in my neighborhood 0:01:22.140 --> 0:01:25.890 just two blocks from my house. After the program last 0:01:25.890 --> 0:01:28.530 week when I came home, we were I was going 0:01:28.530 --> 0:01:33.750 to where we live in Chicago, uh, heading there. And 0:01:33.750 --> 0:01:38.250 I saw all these police cars and streets cordoned off. 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:40.620 I thought, what in the world is going on here? Well, 0:01:40.620 --> 0:01:42.810 while I was on the air last week, a Jewish 0:01:42.810 --> 0:01:47.310 man was walking to synagogue and a man stepped out 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:52.140 and began to fire a gun at him. Shot him 0:01:52.140 --> 0:01:59.110 in the back. And then when the, uh. The police 0:01:59.950 --> 0:02:05.140 vehicles began to arrive and the emergency vehicle. What happened 0:02:05.140 --> 0:02:08.260 next was the man stepped out again and began firing 0:02:08.260 --> 0:02:14.230 at the police and at the emergency vehicle shouting Allahu Akbar, 0:02:14.260 --> 0:02:18.610 which is God is great in Arabic. Uh, he. The 0:02:18.610 --> 0:02:25.720 police returned fire. He was struck, critically injured and taken 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:29.410 to a local hospital where he is still in recovery. 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:34.420 He was charged with 14 criminal acts, including six of 0:02:34.419 --> 0:02:38.049 attempted murder. But it was interesting at the outset there 0:02:38.050 --> 0:02:45.070 were no, uh, hate crime charges filed against him. And 0:02:45.070 --> 0:02:50.770 our alderwoman was very persistent in asking the police to 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:54.340 look into that. And sure enough, by the end of 0:02:54.340 --> 0:03:00.730 the week, by yesterday he was indeed added charges. There 0:03:00.730 --> 0:03:04.030 were more charges added and he was charged with a 0:03:04.030 --> 0:03:08.530 hate crime. Well, what was it? This is someone who 0:03:08.530 --> 0:03:12.339 came out into the Jewish neighborhood and began to fire 0:03:12.340 --> 0:03:14.890 at a Jewish man just going to synagogue. It is 0:03:14.889 --> 0:03:19.510 the problem that we are facing in America now. More 0:03:19.510 --> 0:03:22.780 and more hate crimes against Jewish people. Jewish people are 0:03:22.780 --> 0:03:26.170 a very small percentage of the United States. Really? Think 0:03:26.169 --> 0:03:28.510 about it. There's only about 6 million Jewish people out 0:03:28.510 --> 0:03:33.519 of 330 million. And yet 65% of all hate crimes 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:40.270 in America are charged, are carried out against Jewish people. 0:03:40.300 --> 0:03:44.800 What in the world is going on? Well, Judy, anti-Semitism 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:47.200 or hatred of the Jewish people is what Arthur Kark 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:50.680 has described as something that is endemic. It means that 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:55.120 it's a disease that's always there, and periodically it steps out, 0:03:55.250 --> 0:03:59.930 surges upward in epidemic proportions. And that's what we're seeing today. 0:03:59.960 --> 0:04:05.780 Since October 7th, 2023, there have been 10,000 forms of 0:04:05.780 --> 0:04:10.940 hate crimes against Jewish people in the United States alone. So, 0:04:11.390 --> 0:04:14.000 by the way, that is why we are having the 0:04:14.030 --> 0:04:19.760 summit opposing anti-Semitism, uh, very next week. You can still register. 0:04:19.790 --> 0:04:23.480 All you have to do is go to Openline radio.org. 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.820 Click on the link. There's the summit that will take 0:04:25.820 --> 0:04:31.430 place November 9th at Moody Bible Institute all day. Wonderful speakers. Brilliant. 0:04:31.430 --> 0:04:36.620 I think speakers, uh, you know, uh, doctor Mark Jobe, uh, 0:04:36.620 --> 0:04:41.810 doctor Don Sweeting, doctor Mitch Glazer. Uh, they will be speaking, uh, 0:04:41.810 --> 0:04:45.950 my wife evil, will be doing a workshop, uh, so 0:04:45.980 --> 0:04:50.150 that that will all be, uh, exceptional. God, uh, God 0:04:50.150 --> 0:04:52.070 has been gracious to me. I'll be able to speak 0:04:52.070 --> 0:04:52.970 as well. 0:04:53.220 --> 0:04:54.270 But. 0:04:54.330 --> 0:04:58.410 Here's the thing you need to register to be there. 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:02.039 There's a slight fee, but even with that, you you. 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:06.750 When you register, you can put the words summit 20, 0:05:06.779 --> 0:05:12.000 all caps, summit no space, and then two zero. If 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:16.200 you put that, then you'll get 20% off the minimal 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:19.710 conference registration fee. If you have to come a little 0:05:19.740 --> 0:05:23.370 bit further and you need hotels, there's hotel availability. Just 0:05:23.370 --> 0:05:28.589 look at it on the website. Uh open line radio.org. 0:05:28.589 --> 0:05:31.710 Click on the link there. But the question is why 0:05:31.710 --> 0:05:37.229 is it that anti-Semitism is endemic? Uh, two passages of 0:05:37.230 --> 0:05:41.070 Scripture really inform this for me. Uh, the first is 0:05:41.070 --> 0:05:46.560 in Psalm 83. Psalm 83, when you look at that, 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:51.060 it talks about the nations and their hatred. It says 0:05:51.060 --> 0:05:54.880 in verse two, see how you're speaking to God. Your enemies, 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:59.500 O God, make an uproar. Those who hate you. Again, 0:05:59.529 --> 0:06:04.120 notice who they hate. It's God himself have acted arrogantly. 0:06:04.450 --> 0:06:08.290 How do they express that hatred of God? They devise 0:06:08.290 --> 0:06:14.739 clever schemes against your people. They conspire against your treasured ones. 0:06:15.010 --> 0:06:18.969 They say, come, let us wipe them out as a nation, 0:06:18.970 --> 0:06:23.260 so that Israel's name will no longer be remembered. That 0:06:23.260 --> 0:06:26.860 Psalm 83, verses two through four. The very first reason 0:06:26.860 --> 0:06:31.960 for this endemic hatred of the Jewish people is hatred 0:06:31.990 --> 0:06:34.510 of the God of Israel. Those who hate the God 0:06:34.510 --> 0:06:39.730 of Israel will carry out acts of hatred against the 0:06:39.730 --> 0:06:42.909 people of Israel. They may not even know they hate 0:06:42.910 --> 0:06:45.460 the God of Israel. They may resent that the God 0:06:45.460 --> 0:06:48.669 of Israel has chosen the Jewish people. There's all sorts 0:06:48.670 --> 0:06:53.000 of reasons for that. But they whether they know it 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:57.440 or not, it is really intrinsically hatred of the God 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:03.920 of Israel. The second reason for endemic anti-Semitism is found 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:07.820 in revelation 12. I think that's a passage that explains 0:07:07.820 --> 0:07:12.380 the mystery of anti-Semitism being endemic of its staying. It 0:07:12.380 --> 0:07:16.820 starts off with a symbolic woman clothed with the sun, moon, 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:20.930 sun and the moon under her feet and a crown 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:25.310 of 12 stars on her head. Uh, that's a symbolic 0:07:25.310 --> 0:07:31.640 depiction of Israel. The the allusion to Joseph's dream in 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:35.630 Genesis 37. With these the sun, the moon, and the 0:07:35.630 --> 0:07:39.650 crown of 12 stars. That all reminds us of Joseph's dream, 0:07:39.650 --> 0:07:43.730 and it indicates that this woman is actually the nation 0:07:43.730 --> 0:07:46.760 of Israel, not the political state, but the Jewish people 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:50.100 all around the world. That's who she represents. Presents. And 0:07:50.100 --> 0:07:52.530 then in the middle, there's a second participant in what's 0:07:52.530 --> 0:07:56.850 going on in this passage. It talks about the dragon. 0:07:56.850 --> 0:08:00.330 And the dragon is also a symbolic picture. It describes 0:08:00.330 --> 0:08:02.340 who the dragon is in verse nine. So the great 0:08:02.340 --> 0:08:05.940 dragon was thrown out the ancient serpent who is called 0:08:05.940 --> 0:08:10.620 the devil and Satan. So we've got the woman Israel, 0:08:10.620 --> 0:08:18.480 we've got the devil Satan. And then in verse 13 0:08:18.510 --> 0:08:20.700 it says, when the dragon saw that he had been 0:08:20.700 --> 0:08:27.840 thrown to earth, he persecuted the woman. Again Satan persecutes 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:33.150 the woman. Israel. It tells me that there's a theological 0:08:33.150 --> 0:08:36.510 explanation for hatred of the Jewish people. Once again, the 0:08:36.510 --> 0:08:43.680 theological explanation is Satan hates whom God loves. Satan opposes 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:49.470 whom God has chosen. There is a satanic basis for 0:08:49.470 --> 0:08:53.940 this terrible history of anti-Semitism. The way I would put 0:08:53.940 --> 0:08:57.000 it is like in the movie The Count of Monte 0:08:57.000 --> 0:09:00.449 Cristo at the end, the villain, instead of pointing his 0:09:00.450 --> 0:09:04.170 gun at the count, points it at the woman he loves. Why? 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:07.980 Because he knows it will hurt the count more if 0:09:07.980 --> 0:09:10.890 he shoots the woman the count loves than if he 0:09:10.890 --> 0:09:16.080 shoots the count. And that's what I think Satan is doing. 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.410 He's trying to hurt God, and the way he does 0:09:19.410 --> 0:09:23.910 it is he points his attack against the Jewish people 0:09:23.910 --> 0:09:27.780 whom God has chosen and who have a very special 0:09:27.780 --> 0:09:31.050 place in his plan. So if we want to understand 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:36.300 where does anti-Semitism come from? Well, first of all, it's 0:09:36.330 --> 0:09:40.679 opposition and hatred of the God of Israel and also 0:09:40.710 --> 0:09:45.030 a satanic hatred for the people of Israel. If you 0:09:45.030 --> 0:09:47.349 want to learn more about that, be sure to check 0:09:47.380 --> 0:09:52.390 out our website about the upcoming conference next week. 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Joe. 0:12:21.390 --> 0:12:22.710 How can I help you today? 0:12:24.750 --> 0:12:27.600 How do you share the gospel with a person who 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:31.530 does not believe in the Bible? And I'll take any suggestions, 0:12:31.530 --> 0:12:35.370 advice or specific instructions. Thank you. Michael. 0:12:35.460 --> 0:12:38.309 Well, I'll do my best. Joe. Here's the thing. There 0:12:38.309 --> 0:12:41.610 aren't a lot of people who believe the Bible. Have 0:12:41.610 --> 0:12:45.280 you noticed that? Right. There are a lot of people 0:12:45.309 --> 0:12:47.590 who like the Bible. They say it's a holy book 0:12:47.620 --> 0:12:50.020 and things like that, but they they can be cynical. 0:12:50.020 --> 0:12:52.390 And they've gotten more cynical with the rise of the 0:12:52.390 --> 0:12:55.870 modern New Atheist movement of the last 15 or so 0:12:55.900 --> 0:13:00.760 20 years. Uh, and the internet gives a lot of atheistic, 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:08.679 anti scriptural, uh, websites opportunity to attack the Bible and such. So, 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:11.770 you know, I don't the real issue, first of all 0:13:11.770 --> 0:13:16.240 is not a person doesn't get to have a personal 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:20.770 relationship with God by entering into a confident belief in 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:25.150 the inspiration of the Bible. You know, it's by faith 0:13:25.150 --> 0:13:29.200 in Jesus, the living Word. And so I tend to 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:31.900 talk more about the Lord Jesus than I do about 0:13:31.900 --> 0:13:35.980 the Bible with people. Second thing is, the most important 0:13:35.980 --> 0:13:39.250 way to talk to anyone about the faith is first 0:13:39.250 --> 0:13:43.650 by establishing a friendship relationship with them. If you think 0:13:43.650 --> 0:13:47.760 about it, about casting seed in an agricultural model, the 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:49.890 first thing you need to do is break up the 0:13:49.890 --> 0:13:54.540 soil so that it can receive the seed. So that's 0:13:54.540 --> 0:13:57.450 what I would say friendship is. Become friends with people. 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:01.320 And then, of course, when we're really friends with someone, 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:04.380 we can talk about what's going on in our own lives. 0:14:04.380 --> 0:14:06.900 We can talk about the Lord answered a prayer for 0:14:06.900 --> 0:14:14.520 me and might say something about that. Uh, also, uh, 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:18.390 we might say something like, I have a need, and 0:14:18.390 --> 0:14:21.570 a bunch of people are praying for me about that. 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:24.630 And the person says, really? People are praying for you 0:14:24.750 --> 0:14:30.870 or mention something that God did for you. This I, God, 0:14:30.870 --> 0:14:35.310 gave me an unbelievable blessing. It was so wonderful. Tell them. 0:14:36.450 --> 0:14:41.370 And then the result is you're going to get some 0:14:41.550 --> 0:14:44.580 thirst there to know more. That's where I think what is? 0:14:44.580 --> 0:14:47.520 I think we need to raise a flag. Uh, once 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:50.790 we've broken up the soil to see if anyone will respond. 0:14:50.820 --> 0:14:54.540 I love the idea that Joe Aldridge had is we 0:14:54.540 --> 0:14:57.180 need to love people till they ask us why. Be 0:14:57.180 --> 0:15:00.330 kind to people. Let them ask us questions. Let them 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:02.550 see that we have a vital walk with the Lord. 0:15:02.550 --> 0:15:05.460 And then we start talking about the Lord. Then we 0:15:05.460 --> 0:15:09.180 start casting seed. They might ask questions about the Bible then. 0:15:09.180 --> 0:15:11.790 And then we can defend the authority of Scripture. We 0:15:11.790 --> 0:15:14.550 can talk about its historical accuracy. We can talk about 0:15:14.550 --> 0:15:20.460 its supernatural, prophetic revelation, all kinds of things like that. Uh, 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:24.780 I think it was, uh, Erwin Lutzer who wrote a 0:15:24.780 --> 0:15:28.050 book called Seven Reasons You Can Trust the Bible. And 0:15:28.050 --> 0:15:29.820 what I'm going to ask you to do, Joe, you 0:15:29.850 --> 0:15:32.430 hang on. We have a copy of that for you. Uh, 0:15:32.430 --> 0:15:34.860 so that will help you when they finally start asking 0:15:34.860 --> 0:15:37.590 you questions about the Bible. That will give you some 0:15:37.590 --> 0:15:40.500 good answers to give them about why you believe the Bible. 0:15:40.500 --> 0:15:45.270 But the first thing to do is establish that friendship. 0:15:45.270 --> 0:15:49.229 And in that friendship, talk about what God is doing 0:15:49.230 --> 0:15:52.470 in your life genuinely. And then when they ask you 0:15:52.500 --> 0:15:55.830 questions about that, or they want to know more or 0:15:55.830 --> 0:15:59.430 you get an opportunity, then you'll start talking about things 0:15:59.430 --> 0:16:02.580 about the Lord, they'll ask you about the Bible. That 0:16:02.580 --> 0:16:04.950 book will help you. So you're going to hang on 0:16:04.950 --> 0:16:07.650 for that. Then of course, one of the things that 0:16:07.650 --> 0:16:10.020 can happen is we can ask questions of friends. We 0:16:10.020 --> 0:16:13.680 can say, you know, I wouldn't talk to someone else 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:16.620 about this, but in the context of a relationship, you 0:16:16.620 --> 0:16:19.650 might ask someone, are you on a spiritual journey? Do 0:16:19.650 --> 0:16:22.890 you think, uh, and if they say they are, then 0:16:22.890 --> 0:16:24.300 you might want to say, well, where do you think 0:16:24.330 --> 0:16:28.050 you are on your spiritual journey? Where are you? And 0:16:28.050 --> 0:16:30.750 as you talk about that, where where you are on 0:16:30.750 --> 0:16:36.210 the spiritual journey, then then you can have an opportunity 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.280 to talk to them about how you think. Maybe the 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:41.650 scriptures will help on your spiritual journey. You might want 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:46.630 to read about Jesus in the Gospels, something like that. 0:16:46.630 --> 0:16:48.910 So that's where I would go. Ultimately, what you're going 0:16:48.940 --> 0:16:52.270 to find is when someone gets closer and closer, uh, 0:16:52.540 --> 0:16:56.350 you have to transition from friendship, which is breaking up 0:16:56.350 --> 0:17:00.850 the soil to, uh, to seed sowing, which is sharing 0:17:00.850 --> 0:17:06.250 the gospel, uh, and then or concepts related to the gospel, 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:10.000 talking about the faith, and then sometimes say, have anyone 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:14.350 ever explained to you how you can enter into a personal, 0:17:14.350 --> 0:17:20.889 forever relationship with God now you're not, uh, cultivating the 0:17:20.890 --> 0:17:23.859 soil there. You're not sowing seed. What you're going to 0:17:23.859 --> 0:17:25.930 do there if the person says, no, but I'd like 0:17:25.930 --> 0:17:27.610 for you to show me you're going to take them 0:17:27.609 --> 0:17:31.270 through the scriptures and show them how Jesus died for 0:17:31.270 --> 0:17:34.119 their sins and rose again, and how to trust in him. 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:39.320 Put their trust in him to accept his forgiveness and 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:46.340 have a forever relationship with God, a personal, forever forgiven 0:17:46.340 --> 0:17:51.770 relationship with God that's, uh, not cultivating, not sowing, but 0:17:51.770 --> 0:17:54.379 reaping a harvest. That's the way. That's the steps of 0:17:54.380 --> 0:17:56.689 sharing your faith. Okay. 0:17:57.590 --> 0:18:03.169 Okay. I just could I just make a comment that. Sure. 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:06.020 I actually am calling for a friend, and I think 0:18:06.020 --> 0:18:09.470 she's gotten through all of these steps that you're talking to, 0:18:09.500 --> 0:18:12.770 to the point where she was beginning, you know, somehow, 0:18:12.770 --> 0:18:15.980 just a couple days ago, it came up. He doesn't 0:18:15.980 --> 0:18:19.160 believe in the Bible. You know, he's he's all into 0:18:19.190 --> 0:18:23.390 talking about God. And you know, these, you know, and 0:18:23.390 --> 0:18:26.360 I'm not sure about Jesus. It's not my conversation. I 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:30.830 know they've talked about God a lot, but. And that 0:18:30.830 --> 0:18:35.610 door is definitely open and it's been cultivated. But she 0:18:35.609 --> 0:18:39.330 just hit a wall when he said, I don't believe 0:18:39.330 --> 0:18:40.440 in the Bible. 0:18:40.770 --> 0:18:44.910 Well, it's okay, you know, to to engage with that. 0:18:44.910 --> 0:18:49.949 You could talk about if it's you or whoever it is, say, uh, 0:18:50.010 --> 0:18:53.100 here's why I believe the Bible, and you could show 0:18:53.100 --> 0:18:55.739 some reasons and keep praying. And if they don't want 0:18:55.770 --> 0:18:58.379 to hear more than what you do is you keep 0:18:58.380 --> 0:19:03.930 being friends. Uh, because it's it's a good relationship and 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:07.590 more opportunity will come up. Uh, there are people I've 0:19:07.590 --> 0:19:12.119 been talking about the Lord with who I love deeply and, uh, unconditionally. 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:15.360 And it's now 30 years, and they're still, you know, 0:19:15.390 --> 0:19:19.440 I don't believe the Bible, but they interestingly sure respect 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:21.929 your confidence in it. They said to me just once, 0:19:22.020 --> 0:19:26.369 someone just said to me this week, so, uh, that's 0:19:26.369 --> 0:19:28.950 that's what I would say. Just just keep at it 0:19:28.950 --> 0:19:31.860 and maybe use that book if I'm going to add 0:19:31.859 --> 0:19:38.409 something to The agricultural model I just mentioned of of cultivation, 0:19:38.410 --> 0:19:42.969 sowing and reaping is when you are sowing seeds and 0:19:42.970 --> 0:19:46.780 they start to germinate, weeds will come up. Those are objections. 0:19:46.780 --> 0:19:48.880 And like, I don't believe the Bible and that's where 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:52.270 you try to answer those objections okay okay. 0:19:52.300 --> 0:19:54.040 Thank you so much. 0:19:54.070 --> 0:19:57.670 Yep. Okay. Thanks. Thanks for your call, you two. Thanks 0:19:57.670 --> 0:19:59.260 for your call, Joe. We're going to talk to Dennis 0:19:59.260 --> 0:20:02.830 in Cleveland, listening on Wkjf. Welcome to Open Line. Dennis. 0:20:02.830 --> 0:20:04.030 How can I help you? 0:20:04.810 --> 0:20:06.970 Hi, doctor. I'd just like to say one thing is 0:20:06.970 --> 0:20:08.950 that it breaks my heart every time you talk about 0:20:08.950 --> 0:20:11.830 the Jewish people and what they're suffering and what makes 0:20:11.859 --> 0:20:16.870 water to my eyes. Um, my question is, um, if 0:20:16.869 --> 0:20:19.690 the Holy Spirit came down to Mary and planted a seed, 0:20:19.690 --> 0:20:22.960 but Mary had sin in her body, when Jesus also 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:25.240 have sin in that body, I just don't understand that. 0:20:26.980 --> 0:20:32.050 Uh, well, this is my understanding of it. You know, 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:37.990 there are some people who hold to a what's called 0:20:37.990 --> 0:20:42.400 a tradition view of the sin nature, and that the 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:48.280 sin nature is transmitted through the father seed alone. So Adam, 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:51.189 sin has been passed from Adam to every descendant of 0:20:51.190 --> 0:20:57.400 the human race through the transmission of the sperm that 0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:00.700 it comes from the man. I'm not sure I believe that. Uh, 0:21:00.850 --> 0:21:08.410 I think Jesus is our representative head. Uh uh, and 0:21:08.530 --> 0:21:12.520 Adam was the human head. And the Lord Jesus can 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:17.139 represent us and die for our sins and be raised again. Uh, 0:21:17.140 --> 0:21:20.740 though he was without sin, my understanding is it that 0:21:20.740 --> 0:21:24.790 he was the God man. And as God, he was 0:21:24.790 --> 0:21:32.840 not capable of sinning. Uh, because he is deity. So, uh, 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:36.830 that's that's how I understand it. And I don't think 0:21:36.830 --> 0:21:40.639 it has to be passed on by Mary. In my opinion. 0:21:41.210 --> 0:21:42.859 I want to thank you. I've learned so much about 0:21:42.859 --> 0:21:46.250 the Jewish people from you, and I continue to learn, 0:21:46.250 --> 0:21:48.890 which is a great thing. And I do remember Menachem 0:21:48.890 --> 0:21:53.119 Begin on, on, on Sadat, that peace treaty. And I 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:55.490 thought it was the greatest thing as a teenager to see. 0:21:55.640 --> 0:21:59.090 Yeah, I was pretty impressed and amazed with that, too. 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:02.540 Thanks for your call, Dennis. Really appreciate it. Uh, we're 0:22:02.540 --> 0:22:05.300 going to speak. Bye bye. We're going to speak with, uh, 0:22:05.300 --> 0:22:12.619 Tom in Minnesota, listening on Ktag the word. Uh, hi, Tom. 0:22:12.619 --> 0:22:14.030 How can I help you today? 0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:16.340 Good morning. 0:22:16.340 --> 0:22:23.750 Doctor Mike, I have a question about in Genesis chapter 414, 0:22:23.750 --> 0:22:29.119 Cain is speaking with God, and he says, uh, that 0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:32.280 pretty much. You've made my life difficult. Anybody who will 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:34.830 find me will want to kill me. Where did those 0:22:34.830 --> 0:22:36.330 people come from? 0:22:37.740 --> 0:22:43.470 That's. That's a really, uh. That. And where did Cain 0:22:43.470 --> 0:22:46.680 get his wife? Are the two main questions people ask 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:51.150 me about the creation story. Uh, as I understand it, 0:22:51.150 --> 0:22:55.800 it appears that that Adam and Eve had other children. 0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:59.609 They lived. Remember how long people were living back then? Uh, 0:22:59.790 --> 0:23:04.470 they had children over years and years and years. And 0:23:04.470 --> 0:23:09.930 I suspect that even though incest would normally be wrong, uh, 0:23:09.930 --> 0:23:13.680 because there was no one else. Cain had to marry 0:23:13.710 --> 0:23:18.150 one of his sisters. That's what I would say, because 0:23:18.150 --> 0:23:19.770 there was no one else to marry. It was just 0:23:19.770 --> 0:23:22.140 the beginning. It didn't have all the genetic problems that 0:23:22.140 --> 0:23:27.419 would come with that, because humanity had just begun. And then, uh, 0:23:27.420 --> 0:23:36.490 the next, uh. Therefore, similarly, who would want to kill him? Obviously, 0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:39.100 as they were having many children and they were spreading 0:23:39.100 --> 0:23:42.580 over the world, and their children were marrying and having children, 0:23:42.580 --> 0:23:46.450 that it was his relatives, his siblings and maybe other 0:23:46.450 --> 0:23:51.520 relatives that had been born at that point. Uh, that would, 0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:57.280 would require, uh, that that would want to require, uh, 0:23:57.280 --> 0:24:02.950 Cain's life for having killed his brother and vengeance. So 0:24:02.980 --> 0:24:05.740 that's who it was. I would say it was his siblings, uh, 0:24:05.740 --> 0:24:08.409 first a sibling to marry and then a sibling for 0:24:08.410 --> 0:24:11.889 those who wanted to go after him. So, uh, thanks 0:24:11.890 --> 0:24:15.640 for your call, Tom. We're going to talk to Cora 0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:21.639 in Chicago, listening on our flagship station, Wmbi. Welcome to 0:24:21.670 --> 0:24:24.040 open Line. Cora, how can I help you? 0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:29.540 Yes, I have a question. Um, how do you forgive 0:24:29.540 --> 0:24:33.980 somebody when you. When you want to, you know. And 0:24:33.980 --> 0:24:38.990 how do you forgive them when they've done you great harm, 0:24:39.020 --> 0:24:41.600 but you just can't forget it. How do you forgive 0:24:41.600 --> 0:24:43.399 when you cannot forget? When you've been through a lot 0:24:43.430 --> 0:24:46.400 of trauma? And this is. This was my father that 0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:47.929 abused me very badly. 0:24:48.410 --> 0:24:48.890 Mhm. 0:24:49.220 --> 0:24:53.480 Well, you you don't have to reconcile with someone that 0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:56.870 has damaged you or hurt you and been terrible to you. 0:24:56.900 --> 0:25:00.350 I don't think reconciliation is always the goal, but we 0:25:00.350 --> 0:25:04.129 do have to forgive and that's a choice that we make. Uh, 0:25:04.130 --> 0:25:08.510 we have to say I choose to with to take 0:25:08.510 --> 0:25:12.260 away the, the to forgive the debt. You don't owe 0:25:12.290 --> 0:25:17.180 me anything, is what you're saying. You don't owe me anything. Uh, 0:25:17.180 --> 0:25:19.820 I'm getting rid of the debt. And every time you 0:25:19.820 --> 0:25:23.210 think that this person owes you a debt, you just 0:25:23.210 --> 0:25:26.850 choose not to say no. I'll never get that debt repaid. 0:25:26.850 --> 0:25:30.510 I'm going to, uh, I'm just going to let it go. 0:25:30.510 --> 0:25:32.730 And that's a choice that we have to make over 0:25:32.730 --> 0:25:35.609 and over and over again. Uh, I hope that helps. 0:25:35.609 --> 0:25:38.609 That brief answer core. Uh, we're going to a break now, 0:25:38.609 --> 0:25:41.070 so when we come back, Trisha will be in with 0:25:41.070 --> 0:25:44.820 the mailbag. Uh, the Febc mailbag. So stay with us. 0:25:44.820 --> 0:25:47.699 We're coming back with more of your questions in just 0:25:47.700 --> 0:26:10.020 a moment. Welcome back to Open Line. My name is 0:26:10.020 --> 0:26:13.830 Michael Radonich. I'm so grateful for the Far Eastern Broadcasting 0:26:13.830 --> 0:26:17.250 Company because they partner with Open Line to bring you 0:26:17.250 --> 0:26:25.290 the weekly Febc mailbag. Uh febc. ABC Far Eastern. Far 0:26:25.320 --> 0:26:30.240 East Broadcasting Company is a terrific organization. They bring the 0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:35.760 good news to people via media and personal engagement. Their president, 0:26:35.760 --> 0:26:38.430 Ed Cannon, is a dear friend of mine who is 0:26:38.430 --> 0:26:42.420 just zealous for the gospel and makes sure that people 0:26:42.420 --> 0:26:45.570 hear about the Lord all over the world. I want 0:26:45.570 --> 0:26:49.680 you to check out their podcast. It's called Until All 0:26:49.680 --> 0:26:53.189 Have Heard. All you have to do is go to fbc.org. 0:26:53.190 --> 0:26:57.810 That's fbc.org. You can learn about their podcast and much 0:26:57.810 --> 0:27:03.450 more right there@fbc.org. Joining me right now is Tricia McMillan. 0:27:03.450 --> 0:27:07.320 She is back after taking a week to recover from 0:27:07.350 --> 0:27:10.199 Founders Week. She took a Saturday off. 0:27:10.680 --> 0:27:12.330 I know that you took the week off. I didn't 0:27:12.359 --> 0:27:14.520 take the week. I worked the week and then took 0:27:14.550 --> 0:27:16.800 the Saturday. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:18.929 But last week was all I did, right? 0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:21.210 I know, I know, it was so good, though. For 0:27:21.210 --> 0:27:24.080 anyone who doesn't know, this is a, um. Well, it 0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:26.600 used to be a week long. It was a three day, uh, 0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:30.200 Bible conference held at Moody Bible Institute, and it was 0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:33.080 live streamed all over. And I got the privilege to 0:27:33.109 --> 0:27:35.929 be able to help with that. And it's morning and night, 0:27:35.930 --> 0:27:37.880 and it goes all day. Well, and you were doing 0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:42.860 afternoon workshops, um, teaching about anti-Semitism and how to see 0:27:42.859 --> 0:27:44.690 it and where it comes from and all of that stuff. 0:27:44.690 --> 0:27:47.570 And you can find all of those, um, you can 0:27:47.720 --> 0:27:49.550 all of them were streamed and put up on the 0:27:49.550 --> 0:27:54.260 Moody Bible Institute, um, website. Uh, YouTube channel. YouTube channel 0:27:54.290 --> 0:27:58.010 that you can find all of those messages. Great stuff. Oh, 0:27:58.040 --> 0:28:03.440 there was so much good content. Did you have a favorite? Oh, man. Um. 0:28:03.800 --> 0:28:07.550 You know. Okay, so we pulled we pulled for. I 0:28:07.550 --> 0:28:10.130 also produce a program called Chris Fabry Live. And one 0:28:10.130 --> 0:28:14.090 of our programs, we pulled clips from Mark Jobe, Dan 0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:17.690 Spader and Christopher Ewen because the whole topic of Founder's 0:28:17.690 --> 0:28:21.980 Week was transformed by the gospel. And we pulled elements 0:28:21.980 --> 0:28:26.480 from those three messages about how they were transformed and 0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:29.360 what happens when your life is transformed. And honestly, there 0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:32.750 was a story that Dan Spader told in illustration where 0:28:32.750 --> 0:28:38.060 he started his message by talking about his how he 0:28:38.060 --> 0:28:40.310 was transformed by the gospel and how that happened and 0:28:40.310 --> 0:28:42.680 the process. And then at the very end, he tells 0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:44.450 this story that's kind of like a gut punch and 0:28:44.450 --> 0:28:47.330 makes it takes it full circle. But about the power 0:28:47.330 --> 0:28:51.860 of prayer of this woman who had prayed for, um, 0:28:52.160 --> 0:28:57.860 this boy for over ten years, um, and he came 0:28:57.860 --> 0:29:01.550 back and said, hey, I heard that you believe in Jesus. 0:29:01.550 --> 0:29:03.770 And there's so much more to the story. And she said, 0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:04.520 and she just starts crying. 0:29:04.550 --> 0:29:06.500 Don't even try and tell it. It's a great story. 0:29:06.530 --> 0:29:10.880 Check out Dan Spader's talk. That one was probably a favorite. Anyway. 0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:13.880 They were they were all fantastic. Um, and the one 0:29:13.880 --> 0:29:15.770 that I heard lots of people talk about that I 0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:17.690 it was the only one I missed because I actually 0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:25.020 had was sleeping and. during that one, um, was, uh, Heather, uh, Holloman, 0:29:25.020 --> 0:29:27.930 I heard, like, I had multiple people say this one 0:29:27.930 --> 0:29:30.990 was so good. So lots of lots of different things 0:29:30.990 --> 0:29:31.260 that you could. 0:29:31.290 --> 0:29:34.890 Heather Holloman was phenomenal. And I would encourage, you know, 0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:38.460 a caller last segment I think, talked about how to 0:29:38.490 --> 0:29:42.030 share the gospel. Mhm. Uh, wanted to know about that. 0:29:42.060 --> 0:29:45.450 Do you remember. Yeah. Uh I think go to the 0:29:45.450 --> 0:29:50.670 YouTube and, and look how this academic academician, uh, an 0:29:50.670 --> 0:29:55.350 educator and a secular university is able to share the 0:29:55.350 --> 0:29:58.980 good news. She gave great insights into how to do that. 0:29:59.250 --> 0:30:00.090 And I'll put a link. 0:30:00.090 --> 0:30:02.070 That I'll put a link on our website on our 0:30:02.070 --> 0:30:06.990 open line radio.org website to the Founder's Week stuff. Yeah. Um, so. 0:30:06.990 --> 0:30:09.870 My favorite message, though, I mean, here's the thing is, 0:30:09.870 --> 0:30:13.800 I love my job, right? Uh, and I. Chris Ewen 0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:16.710 was Eva's student. Okay. When he first came to Moody. 0:30:16.710 --> 0:30:20.620 And so I've known him forever and I love the 0:30:20.650 --> 0:30:23.500 I love it whenever he speaks. And I really was 0:30:23.500 --> 0:30:28.210 impressed with Heather Holloman and uh, but my I'd never 0:30:28.210 --> 0:30:33.280 heard HB Charles Exposit the word. Mhm. And I'm like 0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:36.220 oh my I'd like to hear him every week. I 0:30:36.220 --> 0:30:39.820 understand why people go to his church. Yeah. Uh wow. 0:30:39.850 --> 0:30:42.250 What a great sermon. So anyway, yeah, let's, let's talk 0:30:42.280 --> 0:30:44.050 about this stuff here. But we'll go back. 0:30:44.050 --> 0:30:45.640 To the mailbag questions. Yeah. 0:30:45.670 --> 0:30:48.880 So yeah, but Founder's Week was phenomenal. I had a 0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:49.870 great time. Yeah. 0:30:49.900 --> 0:30:53.140 So anyway, so I took last week off, so I'm back. Um, 0:30:53.140 --> 0:30:58.000 Marlene from Ohio listens to Wtxf and says, Ecclesiastes seven 0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:01.810 verse 28 says, among a thousand people I have found 0:31:01.810 --> 0:31:04.570 one true man. But among all these I have not 0:31:04.570 --> 0:31:08.890 found a true woman. Who is this upright man? He says, 0:31:08.890 --> 0:31:10.780 I know we're all sinners, and the writer doesn't know 0:31:10.810 --> 0:31:13.630 of Christ. So what is he saying? 0:31:13.660 --> 0:31:16.810 He's talking about Bob down the street. That's the only guy. 0:31:16.810 --> 0:31:21.500 That's it. Uh, no. I think we have to put this. 0:31:21.650 --> 0:31:26.840 This is wisdom literature. It's putting it in context. Okay. Yeah. 0:31:27.410 --> 0:31:31.940 So let's start with 720. Uh, this, I think, frames it. 0:31:31.970 --> 0:31:34.880 It says surely there is not a righteous man on 0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:40.460 earth who does good and never sins. Okay. Okay, so 0:31:40.460 --> 0:31:42.830 there's no one that's perfect. And then when you come 0:31:42.830 --> 0:31:46.340 to verse 25, it says, I turn my heart to 0:31:46.370 --> 0:31:51.290 know and to search out and seek wisdom. Uh, it 0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:55.700 the idea is when it says to seek, it's to 0:31:55.730 --> 0:32:02.630 to seek to understand experientially. And he's trying to understand 0:32:02.660 --> 0:32:05.180 is there one upright person? And he says, I began 0:32:05.180 --> 0:32:08.240 to search. And this is his own personal experience. Uh, 0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:11.840 he found that there were many women that were deceiving men. Uh, 0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:14.360 he's he's talking there. Not about godly women. He's talking 0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:18.320 about immoral women. Uh, And it's true. Think about Solomon. 0:32:18.770 --> 0:32:21.320 This is Solomon. At the end of his life, he 0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:24.620 was really brought down by women. And he's not saying 0:32:24.620 --> 0:32:28.580 he wasn't responsible. I want to be really clear, but 0:32:28.670 --> 0:32:32.690 he he sees his own failures and his own life. Uh, 0:32:32.690 --> 0:32:36.470 and then he says, this is what I found, uh, 0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:41.690 in my search for reality. And he said, I may 0:32:41.690 --> 0:32:45.950 have met a thousand men, and only one was upright. 0:32:45.950 --> 0:32:51.740 And I have never, ever met my personal experience. Uh, 0:32:51.740 --> 0:32:56.660 a woman that was upright. In essence, you come to 0:32:56.690 --> 0:33:00.290 verse 28 and this is what it is. It uses 0:33:00.290 --> 0:33:06.050 the word man in a generic sense for humankind. See 0:33:06.050 --> 0:33:10.550 this this alone I have found this is the bottom line, 0:33:10.670 --> 0:33:15.810 that God made man upright. But they have sought out 0:33:15.810 --> 0:33:19.500 many devices. God made people upright. When Adam and Eve 0:33:19.530 --> 0:33:24.810 were created, they could have chosen obedience, but they didn't. 0:33:25.020 --> 0:33:28.560 They pursued many schemes and as a result, every other 0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:34.110 person chooses schemes of disobedience. And that's why there isn't 0:33:34.110 --> 0:33:36.630 one good righteous man on earth. But when he says, 0:33:36.630 --> 0:33:39.180 I found one, maybe one man in a thousand that 0:33:39.180 --> 0:33:43.050 I have encountered and so forth. That doesn't mean that 0:33:43.050 --> 0:33:46.830 there isn't a woman who lives uprightly, but that he 0:33:46.830 --> 0:33:49.860 hasn't met her yet. That's not his personal experience. What 0:33:49.860 --> 0:33:55.170 his understanding is every person's sins. God made humanity upright, 0:33:55.170 --> 0:33:58.830 but they have sought out many devices. So it's talking 0:33:58.830 --> 0:34:00.720 about really everyone being sinful. 0:34:00.750 --> 0:34:03.690 Okay, so he's not saying he is. This is not 0:34:03.690 --> 0:34:06.360 a prophetic thing about Jesus. 0:34:06.390 --> 0:34:09.690 No. And it's not a sexist thing about man being 0:34:09.690 --> 0:34:12.720 better than women. Yeah, okay. Listen, if there's only one 0:34:12.739 --> 0:34:16.069 upright man that he ever found that he ever tried 0:34:16.070 --> 0:34:22.160 to understand. Theoretically, uh. And he found one man that 0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:28.010 was upright out of a thousand. That's pretty bad. Bad score. Right? So. Right. Yeah. Okay. 0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:29.870 Thank you. Thank you for that. And thank you for 0:34:29.900 --> 0:34:33.529 that question, Merlin. Our next question, uh, kind of goes 0:34:33.530 --> 0:34:37.610 to the not uprightness of men. Um, Steve in Manitoba 0:34:37.610 --> 0:34:39.620 listens to K and W, which is a station I 0:34:39.650 --> 0:34:43.279 grew up listening to K often W and Alexa. And then, um, 0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:45.890 he wants to know in first Kings two, verses five 0:34:45.890 --> 0:34:49.010 and six, David King David is giving a charge to 0:34:49.040 --> 0:34:55.700 his son Solomon. Um, that says, you also know what Joab, 0:34:55.730 --> 0:34:58.250 son of Zariah, did to me and what he did 0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:01.190 to the two commanders of Israel's army Abner, son of ner, 0:35:01.190 --> 0:35:04.130 and Amasa, son of Jether. He merged them in a 0:35:04.130 --> 0:35:07.009 time of peace to avenge bloodshed and war. He spilled 0:35:07.010 --> 0:35:09.350 that blood on his own waistband and on the sandals 0:35:09.350 --> 0:35:11.930 of his feet. Act according to your wisdom, and do 0:35:11.930 --> 0:35:15.590 not let his gray head descend to Sheol in peace. 0:35:15.920 --> 0:35:18.920 Why would David have kept Joab around all those years 0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:21.320 if Joab was so deserving of death? 0:35:22.430 --> 0:35:27.050 Think of Joab as David's secretary of defense, or chairman 0:35:27.050 --> 0:35:29.000 of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. He was a very 0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:35.660 effective military leader. Okay. And, uh, he was also someone 0:35:35.660 --> 0:35:42.290 that was, uh, morally corrupt, filled with vengeance. Uh, I 0:35:42.290 --> 0:35:46.130 think David was a pragmatist and helped kept him around 0:35:46.130 --> 0:35:51.080 for his, uh, administration. Uh, I think this shows, once 0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:55.340 again that David was not perfect. He had God's heart, 0:35:55.340 --> 0:35:58.550 but he wasn't perfect. And that's why he he but 0:35:58.550 --> 0:36:01.580 he didn't want to act against him because he needed him. Mm. 0:36:02.060 --> 0:36:07.100 Okay. So it was just a political, military decision kind 0:36:07.100 --> 0:36:09.529 of to keep him around. And you kind of take 0:36:09.530 --> 0:36:12.240 the bad with the good, as it were. Yep. 0:36:12.660 --> 0:36:13.680 That's what I think it is. 0:36:13.710 --> 0:36:16.410 Okay, so he talks about don't let his grey head 0:36:16.410 --> 0:36:21.690 descend to Sheol in peace. What was the Old Testament belief, um, 0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:25.860 about eternal life or what happened? Virginia and Ohio is 0:36:25.890 --> 0:36:27.330 kind of wondering about that. 0:36:27.630 --> 0:36:32.310 Sheol was basically the place of the dead. And there 0:36:32.310 --> 0:36:37.709 was a it's where where everyone went when they died. Uh, 0:36:37.710 --> 0:36:41.250 some went to be to a place of comfort with 0:36:41.250 --> 0:36:46.170 the Lord and some, uh, there wasn't a whole lot 0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:48.300 in the Old Testament about it, but some went to Sheol, 0:36:48.330 --> 0:36:50.550 to the place of the dead, separated from God. Some 0:36:50.550 --> 0:36:53.160 went to the place of the dead. And they they 0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:55.560 were with God. That's that's just it. 0:36:55.560 --> 0:36:59.220 So Sheol was, uh, kind of like just a general word. 0:36:59.250 --> 0:37:02.219 General word for where they went when they died. And 0:37:02.219 --> 0:37:05.760 depending on who the person was, it was either to 0:37:05.790 --> 0:37:08.980 comfort the Lord or not. So, so like, okay, so 0:37:09.010 --> 0:37:11.920 I was just saying the afterlife would kind of be 0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:15.100 the equivalent where that might mean you're going to heaven 0:37:15.100 --> 0:37:19.060 if you believe in Christ or you're going to hell, like, uh, 0:37:19.090 --> 0:37:21.280 kind of that general term idea. 0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:26.440 Well, uh, well, it becomes clarified as we go on, uh, 0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:30.460 in Scripture. You know, there's, uh, you know, a lot 0:37:30.489 --> 0:37:34.750 of people are confused about hell, uh, really hell. Because 0:37:34.780 --> 0:37:38.260 because what happens is the the Greek translation in the 0:37:38.260 --> 0:37:42.399 New Testament of, of Sheol becomes Hades. But the King 0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:44.590 James Version translates it hell. 0:37:44.890 --> 0:37:45.940 Oh, okay. 0:37:45.969 --> 0:37:48.820 But really, when we're talking about eternal separation from God, 0:37:48.820 --> 0:37:52.090 that's the lake of fire. That's really technically hell. And 0:37:52.090 --> 0:37:54.790 that's only going to be after the resurrection and the 0:37:54.790 --> 0:37:59.350 the great White throne judgment, resurrection of of all the living, uh, 0:37:59.350 --> 0:38:01.420 all who have ever lived. And those who don't know 0:38:01.450 --> 0:38:03.790 the Lord will go through the Great White Throne judgment 0:38:03.790 --> 0:38:07.390 after the Millennial Kingdom, and they will then go into 0:38:07.390 --> 0:38:09.950 the new creation. Instead of going to the new creation, 0:38:09.950 --> 0:38:12.620 they will go to the Lake of Fire. It is. 0:38:12.650 --> 0:38:14.870 There's a lot of confusion. Maybe sometime I ought to 0:38:14.870 --> 0:38:18.439 teach about it. Uh, I've tried to explain it in 0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:21.229 an answer here or there, but it's, uh. 0:38:21.230 --> 0:38:23.570 There's a lot. There's a lot more to unpack. 0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:27.140 Yeah, yeah. Okay. But that'll that'll just be it. It's. 0:38:27.140 --> 0:38:30.080 It's just. Sheol was the place of the dead. That's 0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:31.580 that's where it is. And there is a place of 0:38:31.580 --> 0:38:35.780 comfort with God, like Lazarus went to. And there was 0:38:35.780 --> 0:38:39.050 a place of suffering awaiting ultimate judgment where the rich 0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:42.020 man went. Okay. That would be a way of doing it. Okay. Hey. 0:38:42.050 --> 0:38:47.690 You know. Thank you. Yeah. Uh. Uh, there there's someone 0:38:47.690 --> 0:38:51.439 that's going to be asking a question I see coming up. 0:38:51.469 --> 0:38:53.330 Yes, I did see that one. 0:38:53.330 --> 0:38:57.890 And I want to, uh, let's let's take a break here. 0:38:57.890 --> 0:39:00.410 And now when I talk to that person, I'm going 0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:03.110 to mention also what it means to become a kitchen 0:39:03.110 --> 0:39:06.740 table partner. Perfect. Uh, not for that person necessarily to 0:39:06.739 --> 0:39:09.170 do it. But that's the question that's related. And you'll 0:39:09.170 --> 0:39:11.690 see why in a minute. Hey, thanks for pulling those 0:39:11.690 --> 0:39:15.500 questions together, Tricia. You're welcome. We're we're going to come 0:39:15.500 --> 0:39:18.620 back in just a bit with a question from Debbie 0:39:18.620 --> 0:39:21.770 in Chicago. So, Debbie, you hang on and you're listening 0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:24.950 to Open Line with Michael Radonich and and Tricia McMillan. 0:39:24.950 --> 0:39:37.910 We'll be right back. Welcome back to Open Line. My 0:39:37.910 --> 0:39:41.330 name is Michael Radonich. I'm so glad to be with you. Uh, 0:39:41.330 --> 0:39:43.040 I want to go right to the phones and talk 0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:48.260 with Debbie in Chicago, listening on Wmbi. Welcome to Open Line, Debbie. 0:39:48.290 --> 0:39:49.310 How can I help you? 0:39:49.550 --> 0:39:50.150 Hi. 0:39:50.150 --> 0:39:53.600 Thank you. Michael. I am a kitchen table partner, but 0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:57.529 I had some trouble, uh, some computer trouble with links. 0:39:57.530 --> 0:40:00.980 I'm just kind of learning my new computer and getting online. 0:40:01.040 --> 0:40:04.489 But I did see the Bible study moment that you 0:40:04.530 --> 0:40:08.550 mentioned the synagogue of Satan, you know, and I've seen 0:40:08.550 --> 0:40:11.160 that before. Of course, in revelations three, when he talked 0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:17.009 to the Church of Philadelphia. Um, why? Specifically, did he 0:40:17.010 --> 0:40:20.160 address that? Was it because they were giving the Philadelphia. 0:40:20.190 --> 0:40:23.460 Believers such a hard time? Uh, or. 0:40:23.550 --> 0:40:26.940 You know what? Uh, let me let me try to answer. Okay. 0:40:26.969 --> 0:40:32.399 Okay I will. The synagogue of Satan is used two times, uh, 0:40:32.670 --> 0:40:36.899 in the book of revelation. In revelation two and in 0:40:36.900 --> 0:40:42.390 revelation three, it appears to be referring to people who 0:40:42.420 --> 0:40:45.989 were teaching. Well, let me just say how it's often 0:40:45.989 --> 0:40:49.739 been understood in the history of the church. It has 0:40:49.739 --> 0:40:53.010 been understood that somehow this is a reference to all 0:40:53.010 --> 0:40:56.460 Jewish people, and that the synagogue where Jewish people were 0:40:56.460 --> 0:41:04.870 worshiping were, uh, were all of Satan. And it's that 0:41:04.870 --> 0:41:10.420 the Jewish people were satanic, and it's a terribly anti-Semitic perception. 0:41:10.420 --> 0:41:13.510 I think about it. Uh, where did the Lord Jesus 0:41:13.510 --> 0:41:17.350 do his teaching? He went to all the synagogues. Matthew 0:41:17.350 --> 0:41:20.710 nine says in Galilee and taught the word. Look at 0:41:20.710 --> 0:41:23.020 the book of acts. Where did Paul go when he 0:41:23.020 --> 0:41:25.300 wanted to preach the gospel to start with? He always, 0:41:25.300 --> 0:41:28.509 in every city started in the synagogue. I can't imagine 0:41:28.510 --> 0:41:32.290 them going to the Lord Jesus or Paul going to 0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:35.650 a place that was satanic to preach the gospel, uh, 0:41:35.650 --> 0:41:37.810 or to even teach the word to the people in 0:41:37.810 --> 0:41:40.930 those places as he was. So I think that we 0:41:40.930 --> 0:41:45.670 have to think about it somewhat, somewhat differently. Uh, you 0:41:45.670 --> 0:41:49.630 remember the problem of Galatian ism, of legalism, where there 0:41:49.660 --> 0:41:52.750 were some Jewish people from Jerusalem who were going up 0:41:52.750 --> 0:41:55.510 into the Gentile areas and telling them they needed to 0:41:55.510 --> 0:42:01.750 convert to Judaism first and be circumcised, converted to Judaism, 0:42:01.750 --> 0:42:03.560 then they can believe in Jesus. And they were adding 0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:08.540 a work. Well that became that was at very early Galatians, 0:42:08.570 --> 0:42:14.390 a fairly early book by Paul, uh, written between acts 0:42:14.390 --> 0:42:19.610 14 and 15, in that time frame. And I think 0:42:19.610 --> 0:42:24.830 what has happened is that now Gentiles who went ahead 0:42:24.830 --> 0:42:31.160 and did adopt this Galatians view, this legalistic view that 0:42:31.160 --> 0:42:34.910 a person needed to be converted to Judaism before they 0:42:34.910 --> 0:42:39.320 could believe in Jesus. They were the ones going around 0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:44.990 and making trouble theologically for the churches there, for example, 0:42:44.989 --> 0:42:52.550 in Philadelphia. And, uh, and so as a result of that, uh, 0:42:52.550 --> 0:42:56.450 the the Lord corrects them and he says and he 0:42:56.450 --> 0:42:59.690 says this of both, I will take those from the 0:42:59.690 --> 0:43:05.160 synagogue of Satan who claim to be Jews and are not. 0:43:06.030 --> 0:43:12.390 That's the description. Likely. This is a reference to Gentile 0:43:12.390 --> 0:43:16.590 Christians who have converted to Judaism. And then they say 0:43:16.590 --> 0:43:19.259 they believe in Jesus and they say they are Jewish, 0:43:19.260 --> 0:43:23.879 but they're not, because you really can't, uh, become Jewish 0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:30.719 by just converting like that. Uh, by adopting the, the circumcision. 0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:34.859 It's part of being is part of being an ethnic group. 0:43:34.950 --> 0:43:38.160 It's part of being a nation, a particular nation. And 0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:43.080 so as a result, he's correcting these legalists who weren't 0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:48.930 even Jewish and advocating this, this false teaching about that. 0:43:48.930 --> 0:43:52.049 A person needed to be circumcised before they could believe 0:43:52.050 --> 0:43:56.040 in Jesus, but they weren't even Jewish. Likely. So now, uh, Debbie, 0:43:56.070 --> 0:43:58.710 I hope that helps explain it. The reason I mentioned 0:43:58.710 --> 0:44:02.880 this with the kitchen table partner. Uh, is that I'm 0:44:02.880 --> 0:44:08.040 in a series now that I send out exclusive Bible study, uh, 0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:12.150 designed for our kitchen table partners, those who give monthly 0:44:12.150 --> 0:44:14.400 to open line, I send every other week. A Bible 0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:16.920 study moment takes a few minutes to listen. You can 0:44:16.920 --> 0:44:18.660 click on it. Debbie, you got to get better at 0:44:18.660 --> 0:44:21.390 your computer so that you can listen to that one. 0:44:21.390 --> 0:44:25.350 But here's the point. Uh, that was my very first 0:44:25.350 --> 0:44:28.680 in the series that I'm doing on alleged anti-Semitism in 0:44:28.680 --> 0:44:32.580 the New Testament. Uh, people have pointed out to that 0:44:32.580 --> 0:44:36.120 passage that, Debbie, you were talking about that mentions the 0:44:36.120 --> 0:44:38.910 Synagogue of Satan as teaching that the New Testament is 0:44:38.910 --> 0:44:42.540 somehow intrinsically anti-Semitic. It's not. And so I'm going to 0:44:42.540 --> 0:44:45.239 do 5 or 6 passages that people have pointed to 0:44:45.270 --> 0:44:48.029 and say, oh, the New Testament is anti-Semitic, and we're 0:44:48.030 --> 0:44:50.399 going to go over those in upcoming weeks. So what 0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:52.080 does it mean to be a kitchen table partner? 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