WEBVTT - Reading the Bible Lands 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:12.050 99% of people who experience the Holy Land in person 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:15.650 say it has profoundly affected their faith. But not everyone 0:00:15.650 --> 0:00:19.550 can go to Israel, especially as the conflict there drags on. 0:00:19.550 --> 0:00:23.090 But if you lack the time, money and energy to travel, 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:26.630 you can still enjoy an immersive and educational tour of 0:00:26.630 --> 0:00:30.320 the Bible Lands without leaving your home. Are you intrigued? Well, 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:32.900 join us now for the land and the book from 0:00:32.930 --> 0:00:36.530 Moody Radio. Our host is Middle East expert Doctor Charlie Dyer, 0:00:36.530 --> 0:00:40.280 and I'm John Gager. Well, Charlie Israel has been so 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:42.440 much in the news this past year. We're coming up 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:45.230 on the one year anniversary of the attack. And of course, 0:00:45.229 --> 0:00:48.169 the Bible is jam packed with end times prophecies about 0:00:48.170 --> 0:00:51.380 epic world events, the regathering of the Jewish people to 0:00:51.409 --> 0:00:55.010 their ancient homeland, and Jesus return. It is crucial for 0:00:55.010 --> 0:00:57.800 us as believers, though, to have a proper understanding of 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:00.620 Bible prophecy. So our view of the future is shaped 0:01:00.620 --> 0:01:03.260 by Scripture and not just today's headlines. Right? 0:01:03.290 --> 0:01:05.870 That's absolutely true, John. And with that in mind, our 0:01:05.870 --> 0:01:09.560 friends at Life and Messiah have published a book titled God, 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:12.710 Israel and Bible Prophecy, and they're offering it to listeners 0:01:12.709 --> 0:01:15.530 of the land in the book for a limited time. Now, 0:01:15.530 --> 0:01:18.950 this informative book is focused on providing readers with a 0:01:18.950 --> 0:01:23.150 deeper understanding and greater appreciation of what God has in 0:01:23.150 --> 0:01:26.420 store for Israel and the nations by digging into what 0:01:26.420 --> 0:01:29.420 the scriptures say about these issues. If you're interested in 0:01:29.420 --> 0:01:32.780 learning more about what God has in store, visit Life 0:01:32.810 --> 0:01:35.869 in Messiah. Org and click on the Moody Radio button 0:01:35.870 --> 0:01:39.470 to find out how you can receive your copy of God, 0:01:39.500 --> 0:01:44.510 Israel and Bible Prophecy. That's life in messiah.org. 0:01:44.750 --> 0:01:47.150 And now a look at current events from the Middle East. 0:01:47.180 --> 0:01:50.660 Last Sunday, Hezbollah finally made good on its threat to 0:01:50.690 --> 0:01:56.510 attack Israel, launching 230 rockets and 20 drones. How successful 0:01:56.510 --> 0:02:00.020 was that attack? And more importantly, is the threat over 0:02:00.050 --> 0:02:02.270 or could more attacks be expected? 0:02:02.300 --> 0:02:05.840 You know, Hezbollah's attack against Israel was timed to coincide 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:10.070 with the end of a Shiite religious period called Arba'een, 0:02:10.100 --> 0:02:13.040 marking the end of a 40 day mourning period for 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:16.430 Husayn ibn Ali, a grandson of Muhammad who was killed 0:02:16.430 --> 0:02:22.429 in battle. A Hezbollah actually called their attack Operation Arba'een Day. Now, 0:02:22.460 --> 0:02:25.880 in spite of their public statements afterward, the attack really 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:30.380 wasn't a success because Israel launched a preemptive strike with 0:02:30.380 --> 0:02:34.459 100 Israeli fighter jets knocking out thousands of rocket launchers 0:02:34.460 --> 0:02:38.269 just before they were set to fire. Hezbollah falsely claimed 0:02:38.270 --> 0:02:43.190 their attack hit major Israeli bases, causing great destruction and disruption. 0:02:43.460 --> 0:02:46.190 This was their way to save face as reports came 0:02:46.190 --> 0:02:50.000 in showing how little damage was done. Some Arab social 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:54.860 media mocked Hezbollah, saying their long awaited retaliation struck little 0:02:54.860 --> 0:02:58.519 more than a chicken coop. Leaders throughout the region responded 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:03.950 by demanding the implementation of UN Security Council Resolution 1701, 0:03:03.950 --> 0:03:07.490 which was adopted back in 2006, and it called for 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:10.700 UN peacekeepers and the Lebanese Army to be the only 0:03:10.700 --> 0:03:14.839 armed forces deployed in South Lebanon. Now that matches Israel's 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:18.500 call for Hezbollah's forces to be repositioned north of the 0:03:18.500 --> 0:03:22.310 Litani River and away from Israel's border. Only time will 0:03:22.310 --> 0:03:27.200 tell if Israel's preemptive strike was successful in deterring Hezbollah. 0:03:27.230 --> 0:03:30.859 Israel's goal was to demonstrate it wasn't in Hezbollah's best 0:03:30.860 --> 0:03:34.220 interest to take the region into war. They were careful 0:03:34.220 --> 0:03:37.820 only to attack Hezbollah's military sites. They didn't go after 0:03:37.820 --> 0:03:43.010 Lebanese infrastructure or civilians. Now, afterward, both Hezbollah and Israel 0:03:43.010 --> 0:03:46.160 said these attacks weren't necessarily the end of the story, 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:49.700 and each reserved the right to strike again. However, it's 0:03:49.700 --> 0:03:52.820 unclear if this was a genuine threat on Hezbollah's part 0:03:52.850 --> 0:03:56.960 or just verbal jousting. One interesting aspect of the attack 0:03:56.990 --> 0:04:00.020 is the fact that Iran didn't join in with Hezbollah 0:04:00.020 --> 0:04:04.340 in launching its threatened attack. Likely, the increased U.S. military 0:04:04.340 --> 0:04:07.850 presence in the area was a major factor. It's also 0:04:07.850 --> 0:04:10.490 possible they wanted to gauge the level of response they 0:04:10.490 --> 0:04:13.730 might expect from Israel, were they to attack in a 0:04:13.730 --> 0:04:16.820 similar way. It's too early to say that there won't 0:04:16.820 --> 0:04:20.510 be any future attacks by Hezbollah or by Iran, but 0:04:20.510 --> 0:04:22.520 they do have to pause and think about the high 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:26.480 level of detailed intelligence possessed by Israel, and by the 0:04:26.480 --> 0:04:29.480 ability of Israel's air power to conduct such a large 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:33.500 number of precision strikes. In the meantime, though, watch as 0:04:33.529 --> 0:04:36.799 Iran and Hamas try to work together to organize an 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:40.460 armed terrorists in several West Bank cities and towns to 0:04:40.490 --> 0:04:44.480 create more problems for Israel. These towns include Nablus and 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:48.680 Jenin and Tulkarem. Iran is trying to smuggle in weapons 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:52.190 while Hamas is working to organize terrorist cells in those towns. 0:04:52.220 --> 0:04:56.099 Israel has now launched a major counterterrorism operation in the 0:04:56.100 --> 0:04:59.250 West Bank to stop this threat from expanding. 0:04:59.250 --> 0:05:02.790 Well, Hamas has rejected the latest proposals for a ceasefire 0:05:02.790 --> 0:05:06.990 and hostage deal. Does this mean the negotiations have entirely collapsed, 0:05:06.990 --> 0:05:09.390 or are they on life support, Charlie? 0:05:09.450 --> 0:05:12.930 It really depends on the person being asked. The Biden 0:05:12.930 --> 0:05:17.010 administration insists that the process is still moving forward. They're 0:05:17.010 --> 0:05:20.520 quite optimistic, but few others in the region or few 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:25.170 other countries see much progress or hope for success. Last Sunday, 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:28.650 Hamas claimed they'd rejected this most recent ceasefire following the 0:05:28.650 --> 0:05:31.859 Cairo talks. And to emphasize that fact, they fired one 0:05:31.860 --> 0:05:36.060 of their few remaining rockets at central Israel. Many inside 0:05:36.060 --> 0:05:39.479 and outside Israel are unfairly blaming Prime Minister Netanyahu for 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:43.859 the collapse, saying he continues adding additional conditions. Here's what 0:05:43.890 --> 0:05:46.770 needs to be kept in mind. Hamas began this conflict 0:05:46.770 --> 0:05:50.849 when it launched an unprovoked attack on Israel on October 7th, 0:05:50.850 --> 0:05:56.039 killing over 1200 Israelis, mostly civilians. Hamas officials boasted that 0:05:56.040 --> 0:06:00.180 they attacked in part to derail the normalization process taking 0:06:00.180 --> 0:06:04.980 place between Israel and the surrounding Arab countries, especially Saudi Arabia. 0:06:05.010 --> 0:06:08.400 They also said they'll never recognize a two state solution 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:13.260 to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Hamas won't accept the existence of 0:06:13.260 --> 0:06:17.310 the State of Israel. After taking over Gaza in 2007, 0:06:17.310 --> 0:06:21.090 Hamas began building up its military forces by digging tunnels 0:06:21.089 --> 0:06:25.349 into Egypt to import weapons and equipment for manufacturing rockets 0:06:25.350 --> 0:06:29.220 and bombs. The attack on October 7th was meticulously planned 0:06:29.220 --> 0:06:33.360 for years. Given the opportunity, Hamas will begin digging new 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:37.049 tunnels to rearm and return to their original plan. And 0:06:37.050 --> 0:06:40.530 that's one key reason Prime Minister Netanyahu has been so 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:44.490 adamant about controlling the narrow strip of land between Gaza 0:06:44.490 --> 0:06:48.480 and Egypt. Israel has choked off Hamas's supply lines for weapons, 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:51.870 and they don't want to allow Hamas to rearm there. 0:06:51.870 --> 0:06:55.080 Their mediators are still working, having decided to set these 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:58.529 issues aside to deal with at the very end. Sadly, 0:06:58.529 --> 0:07:00.960 that likely means more pressure is going to be put 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:03.659 on Israel at that time to give in for the 0:07:03.660 --> 0:07:04.770 sake of a deal. 0:07:04.770 --> 0:07:08.490 So, Charlie, am I understanding you correctly that weapons and 0:07:08.490 --> 0:07:10.590 bombs and all of the materials that go with it 0:07:10.590 --> 0:07:13.740 are being slowed as far as their flow into Hamas 0:07:13.740 --> 0:07:15.390 controlled territories in Gaza. 0:07:15.570 --> 0:07:18.270 They are being choked off dramatically. In fact, Hamas is 0:07:18.270 --> 0:07:21.990 running out of rockets to fire and bullets to fire. 0:07:21.990 --> 0:07:25.440 So Israel's plan is succeeding, which is one of the 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:29.190 reasons that Hamas wants Israel out of that philadelphi corridor. 0:07:29.220 --> 0:07:31.440 This is the land. And the book from Moody Radio, 0:07:31.470 --> 0:07:33.660 our host, Doctor Charlie Dyer, working us through a look 0:07:33.690 --> 0:07:37.830 at current events as Israel's conflict with Hamas, Hezbollah and 0:07:37.830 --> 0:07:41.310 Iran drags on. One of the lesser known casualties has 0:07:41.310 --> 0:07:45.450 been Israel's tourism industry. What's happening to tourism in Israel? 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:47.550 Well, you know, as I talked to the people in 0:07:47.550 --> 0:07:49.830 the tourism industry, they're my heart goes out to them. 0:07:49.830 --> 0:07:52.650 It has been hit particularly hard. You know, for two years, 0:07:52.650 --> 0:07:57.330 Covid shut down tourism worldwide, including Israel. It finally revived, 0:07:57.330 --> 0:08:00.330 only to be shut down again by Hamas on October 7th. 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.090 Now it's almost been a year and tourism has taken 0:08:03.090 --> 0:08:05.970 a major hit, but the impact hasn't been felt by 0:08:05.970 --> 0:08:08.700 all Israelis who were forced to flee their homes next 0:08:08.700 --> 0:08:11.610 to Gaza and along the border with Lebanon were sent 0:08:11.610 --> 0:08:14.460 to hotels in Jerusalem and down by the Dead Sea. 0:08:14.490 --> 0:08:17.460 So the hotels were nearly full for the past year, 0:08:17.460 --> 0:08:21.090 though not with tourists. That's starting to change as Israelis 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:24.600 near Gaza especially, have been returning to their communities. But 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:28.110 many biblical sites saw a drop in tourism. While some 0:08:28.110 --> 0:08:31.230 Israelis took time to visit national parks, the crowds have 0:08:31.230 --> 0:08:34.709 been much smaller, and tour groups continue to cancel trips 0:08:34.710 --> 0:08:37.079 because of the fear of the war. Though as far 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.330 as I can tell, there hasn't been a single major 0:08:39.330 --> 0:08:43.470 incident impacting tourists in Israel. An even bigger issue, though, 0:08:43.500 --> 0:08:47.790 has been flight cancellations. Most American carriers have temporarily suspended 0:08:47.790 --> 0:08:50.950 flights to Israel, so groups wanting to travel to Israel 0:08:50.950 --> 0:08:54.310 really have few options. El al is flying, but its 0:08:54.309 --> 0:08:57.550 flights are full. Most Israeli tour guides have gone almost 0:08:57.550 --> 0:09:00.429 a year without any groups, forcing some to look for 0:09:00.429 --> 0:09:04.479 other employment. Sadly, if the situation doesn't turn itself around 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:06.640 in the next month or so, it could take years 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:11.140 to rebuild the tourism infrastructure, including hotels and guides and 0:09:11.140 --> 0:09:15.309 drivers and restaurants. And all of this has drained Israel's economy, 0:09:15.340 --> 0:09:19.390 harming both Jewish and Arab workers in the tourism industry. 0:09:19.540 --> 0:09:23.740 Well, running clinical trials for potential drug therapies is a lengthy, 0:09:23.740 --> 0:09:28.810 complex and costly process. But an artificial intelligence platform designed 0:09:28.809 --> 0:09:31.660 by an Israeli startup is hoping to make the process 0:09:31.660 --> 0:09:34.960 run more smoothly and for less cost. Tell us about 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:38.440 this new approach to drug trials from Amazing Israel. Yeah, the. 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:42.490 Israeli startup companies called Quant Health, and they're using AI 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:46.300 to combine over 1 trillion data points to simulate real 0:09:46.330 --> 0:09:49.890 world efficacy in their clinical trial simulator. The program will 0:09:49.890 --> 0:09:54.240 run clinical trial simulations on drugs under development, predicting risks 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:57.840 and outcomes while allowing thousands of simulated trials to take 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:02.760 place simultaneously. They can simulate both drugs and patients, exposing 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:06.150 virtual patients to virtual treatments, and the goal is to 0:10:06.179 --> 0:10:09.360 develop a more cost effective way to enable companies to 0:10:09.390 --> 0:10:14.100 conduct these trials, which now cost about $100 billion annually. 0:10:14.130 --> 0:10:18.390 They use anonymous records from over 350 million patients to 0:10:18.420 --> 0:10:21.960 simulate how each patient with his or her unique health history, 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:25.410 would react to certain drugs under development. And to test 0:10:25.410 --> 0:10:28.980 the program, they ran simulations on drugs already available, and 0:10:28.980 --> 0:10:32.100 they found that it had an accuracy rate of 85%, 0:10:32.100 --> 0:10:34.890 cutting the time down from years to months to determine 0:10:34.890 --> 0:10:38.430 whether actual clinical trials could move forward could speed the 0:10:38.429 --> 0:10:41.940 development of life saving drugs while lowering their cost. And 0:10:41.940 --> 0:10:45.780 that's another game changer in process right now from Amazing Israel. 0:10:45.780 --> 0:10:49.050 Thank you Charlie. Coming up, a conversation about reading the 0:10:49.050 --> 0:10:51.630 Bible Lands. What are we talking about? You'll find out 0:10:51.660 --> 0:11:10.200 next on the land and the book. 99% of people 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:13.260 who experience the Holy Land in person say it as 0:11:13.260 --> 0:11:17.189 profoundly affected their faith. But not everyone, of course, can 0:11:17.220 --> 0:11:20.370 go to Israel. So if you lack the time, money 0:11:20.370 --> 0:11:24.030 and energy for travel, you can still enjoy an immersive 0:11:24.030 --> 0:11:27.570 and educational tour of the Bible Lands. Are you intrigued? 0:11:27.570 --> 0:11:30.330 I am This is the Land and the book from 0:11:30.330 --> 0:11:33.570 Moody Radio. I'm John Gager and before we talk further 0:11:33.570 --> 0:11:36.750 about reading the Bible with virtual tours, let's think of 0:11:36.750 --> 0:11:39.510 a unique way to love our Jewish friends and neighbors 0:11:39.510 --> 0:11:43.199 with the love of Christ. Do's and don'ts. When it 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:45.120 comes to sharing your faith, are there any of those 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:48.240 that come to mind. Let's ask Beth Taplin. She's with 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:51.540 the Olive tree congregation in suburban Chicago. What are some 0:11:51.540 --> 0:11:54.059 do's and maybe some don'ts, Beth, that come to your mind? 0:11:54.090 --> 0:11:57.689 Well, do share your faith with the Jewish person. Don't 0:11:57.690 --> 0:12:01.230 be afraid. I think there are, in my experience, two 0:12:01.230 --> 0:12:06.689 different kinds of Jewish people, some that are more biblical observant, 0:12:06.690 --> 0:12:09.030 and others who don't know much about the Bible. Yes. 0:12:09.059 --> 0:12:12.540 And I think we are more ready to share with 0:12:12.540 --> 0:12:15.689 someone who doesn't know about the Bible. But those who 0:12:15.690 --> 0:12:19.620 are biblical observant also need to know about the Messiah, 0:12:19.620 --> 0:12:22.140 and they don't have a personal relationship with him. And 0:12:22.140 --> 0:12:25.650 if you are able to share your relationship with the 0:12:25.650 --> 0:12:28.739 Lord with the Jewish person, it doesn't matter what they 0:12:28.740 --> 0:12:31.410 think they know or don't know, it's about the Lord 0:12:31.410 --> 0:12:33.510 and what they are lacking. 0:12:33.510 --> 0:12:37.079 But what about my fears that maybe they may know 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:40.020 more than I know and I'm all intimidated. 0:12:40.050 --> 0:12:43.590 Trust the Lord. He will lead you through it, and 0:12:43.590 --> 0:12:44.670 it'll be okay. 0:12:44.700 --> 0:12:48.750 Great encouragement from Beth Tevlin. She's congregational administrator and co-leads 0:12:48.750 --> 0:12:52.080 the women's ministry at Olive Tree Congregation. Appreciate your being 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:56.640 bold and sharing with us, Beth. Sure. Wayne Styles loves 0:12:56.640 --> 0:13:00.120 connecting the Bible and its lands to life. Today, his 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:04.290 goal to deliver practical content to encourage believers in their 0:13:04.290 --> 0:13:08.849 relationship with God. Wayne has written four devotional books and 0:13:08.850 --> 0:13:11.520 has created some really great video tools we'll talk about 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:14.280 as well. Wayne and his family live in Texas, have 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.069 two adult daughters and a son in law. It has 0:13:17.070 --> 0:13:19.890 been way too long since we've had him on the program. 0:13:19.890 --> 0:13:22.980 So welcome back to the land and the book, Wayne. 0:13:23.010 --> 0:13:26.069 Well, thank you, John. It's always great to be with you. 0:13:26.070 --> 0:13:28.319 I appreciate the conversation. 0:13:28.350 --> 0:13:31.079 We're familiar, of course, with reading the Bible, but how 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:33.900 did you arrive at the title of this series, Reading 0:13:33.900 --> 0:13:35.490 the Bible Lands? 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:40.860 Yeah, well, I put together a reading program. I mean, 0:13:40.890 --> 0:13:45.190 many Christians read the Bible every year or every few years, 0:13:45.190 --> 0:13:49.150 and I just put together a reading program that allows 0:13:49.150 --> 0:13:53.110 people to also include the lands of the Bible with 0:13:53.110 --> 0:13:54.310 their Bible reading. 0:13:54.309 --> 0:13:57.490 So reading the Bible Lands is actually a series of devotionals. 0:13:57.490 --> 0:13:59.530 How many volumes in the series? 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:04.360 Well, it's, uh, we're going to have 16 volumes, which 0:14:04.390 --> 0:14:07.810 includes the whole Bible. It's quite a job. All right. 0:14:07.809 --> 0:14:10.150 Right now, not all 16 are done. So how many 0:14:10.179 --> 0:14:11.500 have we released so far? 0:14:11.530 --> 0:14:14.859 Eight. So that concludes the Old Testament. 0:14:14.890 --> 0:14:17.260 I noticed as I flip through some of these, they're 0:14:17.260 --> 0:14:21.970 just really well done. A beautiful layout, gorgeous photos, obviously 0:14:21.970 --> 0:14:24.910 superb content. You're a great writer, but talk about those 0:14:24.910 --> 0:14:27.609 pictures that are so lavishly on display. 0:14:27.790 --> 0:14:31.000 Well, you know, when we read the Bible, we always 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.930 talk about reading in context. And of course that's important. 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:37.660 I mean, the words on the page, the paragraphs before 0:14:37.660 --> 0:14:41.770 and after, even the historical context is important. But there's 0:14:41.770 --> 0:14:45.760 also a geographical context that you and I love so 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:49.690 well and a lot of people maybe not familiar with. 0:14:49.750 --> 0:14:54.220 So I put up pictures with each day's Bible reading 0:14:54.220 --> 0:14:57.130 that go along with what you're reading. So if you're 0:14:57.130 --> 0:15:01.060 reading about something in the land of Edom, then there's 0:15:01.060 --> 0:15:02.830 a photo there that gives you a little bit of 0:15:02.830 --> 0:15:06.250 a geographical context to the words on the page. 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:09.460 I don't think we ever outgrow our love of photos 0:15:09.460 --> 0:15:11.890 in books. You know, when we're talking about something, it's 0:15:11.890 --> 0:15:14.230 just plain nice to see it. Well, as I spend 0:15:14.230 --> 0:15:17.410 time with the devotionals, it feels very much like you 0:15:17.410 --> 0:15:20.170 really want the reader to come away with not just 0:15:20.170 --> 0:15:23.230 the sense of the passage, but the place of the passage. 0:15:23.230 --> 0:15:25.300 Why is that so important for us? 0:15:25.390 --> 0:15:29.890 Well, because our faith is rooted in reality, in time 0:15:29.890 --> 0:15:32.830 and space and history. These aren't just stories that we're 0:15:32.830 --> 0:15:36.580 reading in the book, in the Bible. They really happened, 0:15:36.580 --> 0:15:38.920 and they happened in a real place that you can 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:43.030 go and visit today. So just having these places, these 0:15:43.030 --> 0:15:47.470 photos or videos with this Bible reading plan allows you 0:15:47.470 --> 0:15:51.460 to make that connection that our faith is is real. 0:15:51.460 --> 0:15:54.160 It's rooted in real places. Yeah. 0:15:54.190 --> 0:15:58.180 Wayne Styles is all about encouraging believers in their relationship 0:15:58.180 --> 0:16:01.420 with God. He joins us today on the land and 0:16:01.420 --> 0:16:04.030 the book. Hey, tell me something. As you've spent time 0:16:04.030 --> 0:16:07.840 researching and writing, any surprises that have come to you? 0:16:07.870 --> 0:16:09.940 I mean, you you've been with the word for a 0:16:09.940 --> 0:16:11.740 long time, but I bet there are some things that 0:16:11.740 --> 0:16:14.080 have you come over you and you said, wow, I, 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:15.580 I guess I never thought of that. 0:16:16.060 --> 0:16:18.790 Yeah. You know, as many times as we read through 0:16:18.790 --> 0:16:22.210 the Bible, I'll always come upon a new place that 0:16:22.210 --> 0:16:25.060 I've never heard of before. I guess maybe I'm a 0:16:25.060 --> 0:16:28.090 little embarrassed to say that as much as I love 0:16:28.090 --> 0:16:30.190 the lands of the Bible, I'll be reading through and 0:16:30.190 --> 0:16:33.489 I'll find places that I've never heard of. And so 0:16:33.490 --> 0:16:36.520 I'll pull out my atlas. And sometimes they've never heard 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:40.840 of them. So. But I guess one example is like 0:16:40.870 --> 0:16:42.940 the book of Job. You know, he lived in the 0:16:42.940 --> 0:16:47.620 land of Oz, and if you read various commentaries or atlases, 0:16:47.650 --> 0:16:51.580 nobody's really sure where Oz was. But the fact that 0:16:51.580 --> 0:16:55.720 it was somewhere, wherever it was gives us, again, just 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.780 a connection to the fact that job really lived. He 0:16:58.780 --> 0:17:02.140 really lived some place. He really suffered and he really 0:17:02.140 --> 0:17:04.869 grew in his walk with God. So the land of 0:17:04.869 --> 0:17:08.140 Oz is just as real as the suffering of job. 0:17:08.260 --> 0:17:11.080 It sort of calls to mind a Doctor Seuss kind 0:17:11.109 --> 0:17:16.209 of feel where Oz was. Yeah, but it's a real place, 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.910 even if to our ears it sounds funny. You know, 0:17:18.940 --> 0:17:21.730 as I read the devotionals, one of the reactions that 0:17:21.730 --> 0:17:24.669 I had. Yeah, there are moments of challenge, but overall 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:28.359 there's a certain calming effect. I don't know how or 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:31.389 why I reached that conclusion, but it's just something that 0:17:31.390 --> 0:17:33.760 that I connect with as I'm reading your work. You 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:34.960 do a great job. 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:38.950 Well thank you John. I appreciate that the goal of 0:17:38.950 --> 0:17:43.720 the devotionals isn't to preach, or certainly to condemn or 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:47.379 give guilt, but to encourage, you know, to encourage the 0:17:47.380 --> 0:17:52.240 positive takeaways from the Word of God. And also to 0:17:52.270 --> 0:17:54.850 I think there's even questions at the end of each 0:17:54.850 --> 0:17:57.639 of these devotionals that just encourage you to go a 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:01.240 little deeper and put some personal application on it, because 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:03.790 that's what it's all about. Like Paul said, the goal 0:18:03.790 --> 0:18:07.210 of our instruction is love. We we want to apply 0:18:07.210 --> 0:18:08.680 the Bible, not just read it. 0:18:08.710 --> 0:18:12.370 Wayne Styles is all about encouraging believers in their relationship 0:18:12.369 --> 0:18:14.980 with God, and joins us today on the land and 0:18:14.980 --> 0:18:17.889 the book. Hey, complete this sentence, Wayne. If we really 0:18:17.890 --> 0:18:22.120 understood the land of the Bible, it would what for us? 0:18:22.510 --> 0:18:26.590 It would help us better understand the Bible itself, because 0:18:26.590 --> 0:18:30.670 the context in which the Bible was written wasn't just 0:18:30.670 --> 0:18:34.210 to nowhere, it was to all the lands that surround 0:18:34.210 --> 0:18:37.149 the land of Israel, of course, in the land of 0:18:37.150 --> 0:18:40.869 Israel itself. So better we understand the land of the Bible, 0:18:40.869 --> 0:18:43.060 the better we're going to understand the Word of God 0:18:43.060 --> 0:18:45.190 and be able to better apply it. 0:18:45.220 --> 0:18:47.350 I like the fact that with every day's reading, you 0:18:47.350 --> 0:18:50.830 have given us space to think, process, and write. You know, 0:18:50.859 --> 0:18:52.510 there's not a huge list of, you know, fill in 0:18:52.510 --> 0:18:54.970 the blank kind of questions. But I do think we 0:18:54.970 --> 0:18:58.360 need space to write down our thoughts. And I'm learning 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:01.300 that for me, it's the only way to really hang 0:19:01.300 --> 0:19:04.900 on to the impressions, the nudges, the lessons that the 0:19:04.900 --> 0:19:07.750 Holy Spirit, I think is trying to teach me. So 0:19:07.750 --> 0:19:10.240 appreciate that. What are your thoughts on that inclusion of 0:19:10.270 --> 0:19:11.619 that space for writing? 0:19:11.859 --> 0:19:14.920 Yeah, I've just found that's helpful to actually do the 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:18.430 physical writing. You know, in this day and age of technology, 0:19:18.460 --> 0:19:22.990 we're all about either typing or using our thumbs, but 0:19:22.990 --> 0:19:26.080 to actually have a pencil or a pen and spend 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:30.460 the time doing the old way of actually writing our thoughts, 0:19:30.730 --> 0:19:34.300 there's actually research that confirms the fact that if we 0:19:34.300 --> 0:19:38.320 use a pencil. This tactile use of our of our 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:41.260 hands that what we're writing sticks with us a lot 0:19:41.260 --> 0:19:43.270 longer than if we were to just type it into 0:19:43.270 --> 0:19:43.990 a computer. 0:19:44.020 --> 0:19:46.270 Yet you have touched on something here in my own 0:19:46.270 --> 0:19:50.350 spiritual journey. Maybe because I'm, you know, part A.D.D. or something. 0:19:50.500 --> 0:19:52.900 I for many years was frustrated because I felt like 0:19:52.900 --> 0:19:55.119 I could open my Bible and go through a regular 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:58.869 Bible reading plan or a personal study of a Bible book. 0:19:58.900 --> 0:20:02.439 And I'd close the cover of the Bible. And, you know, 0:20:02.470 --> 0:20:06.370 in 60s my mind was on other things, and I could, 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:10.330 you know, you know, just be as scumbag a Christian 0:20:10.330 --> 0:20:12.790 as as I never wanted to be, you know, a 0:20:12.790 --> 0:20:16.000 minute or two after finishing my devotions, it just didn't stick. 0:20:16.030 --> 0:20:20.590 And so I explored, against my own wishes, the idea 0:20:20.590 --> 0:20:22.780 of writing it down. I mean, I fought that tooth 0:20:22.780 --> 0:20:26.260 and nail, but it has made a difference to take 0:20:26.260 --> 0:20:29.440 the time, make the discipline, to write down what I 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:32.619 think God might be speaking to me. So you've I 0:20:32.619 --> 0:20:33.909 think you've captured it well. 0:20:34.330 --> 0:20:37.540 Yeah, I love the way you put that. Um, a 0:20:37.540 --> 0:20:40.240 couple of years ago, I came up with a phrase 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:43.540 that has helped me and has helped some others as well. 0:20:43.570 --> 0:20:46.899 But you never want to close the Bible without something 0:20:46.930 --> 0:20:50.320 to apply. And if you ever do, close it and 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:53.590 you think, what can I do today? Then maybe it's 0:20:53.590 --> 0:20:55.990 time to open it back up and take a second look, 0:20:55.990 --> 0:20:59.020 because that's what it's all about is applying the Bible. 0:20:59.050 --> 0:21:02.889 Yeah, Wayne Styles loves connecting the Bible and its lands 0:21:02.890 --> 0:21:05.020 to life today, and he does it through his books 0:21:05.020 --> 0:21:08.440 and his unique video segments. This is the land and 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:11.200 the book. I'm John Gager, and in addition to the 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:14.620 actual text of reading the Bible Lands books, you have 0:21:14.619 --> 0:21:18.550 created some really terrific videos that greatly enhance our reading 0:21:18.580 --> 0:21:21.550 of the Bible. These videos show the places in the 0:21:21.550 --> 0:21:24.429 scriptures that we read about each week. Before we talk 0:21:24.460 --> 0:21:26.800 about how to access those videos, tell us more about 0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:30.280 the content. How long are they and what makes them unique? 0:21:30.609 --> 0:21:34.720 Well, the videos are probably around ten minutes each, and 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:39.340 the full program covers every land of the Bible, every 0:21:39.340 --> 0:21:46.060 country that surrounds Israel. Of course, Israel itself, but also Greece, Turkey, Egypt, 0:21:46.090 --> 0:21:48.490 I mean all the Bible lands. And I guess what 0:21:48.490 --> 0:21:51.879 makes them unique is that it's it shows you the 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:54.970 places where the Word of God occurred, but then it 0:21:54.970 --> 0:21:57.970 also takes it to the next level and says, here's 0:21:57.970 --> 0:22:01.030 what difference that can make in your life. 0:22:01.060 --> 0:22:05.050 They're so well done. And I'm curious, though, let us 0:22:05.050 --> 0:22:07.149 behind the curtain. What are some of the challenges that 0:22:07.150 --> 0:22:10.240 you faced in creating these videos for us? 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:14.020 Well, it turns out not all countries are that keen 0:22:14.050 --> 0:22:17.350 on having you show up with a video camera. And 0:22:17.350 --> 0:22:20.530 I won't name any countries specifically because I wouldn't want 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:25.120 to embarrass Egypt. But it is a challenge to to 0:22:25.150 --> 0:22:27.190 show up and to want to film some of these 0:22:27.190 --> 0:22:32.240 biblical places. And people sometimes get nervous. That's probably one 0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:36.650 of the biggest challenges, but overall it's been a wonderfully 0:22:36.650 --> 0:22:37.820 positive experience. 0:22:38.060 --> 0:22:41.660 Hey, what's one of your favorite videos and why? 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:45.170 I think my one of my favorites is the video 0:22:45.170 --> 0:22:49.280 on Patmos, because the drone just is able to fly 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:52.040 all over that island, and to give us literally a 0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:55.670 bird's eye view that we wouldn't have otherwise. This wonderful 0:22:55.670 --> 0:22:59.720 island where the Apostle John was exiled to and received 0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:04.130 the the Book of Revelation. It's just stunning, the beautiful 0:23:04.130 --> 0:23:08.180 panoramas and of course the the music and just all 0:23:08.180 --> 0:23:11.480 the visuals, the the biblical content that goes along. I 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:13.490 just think it kind of came together pretty well. 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:18.470 Is Patmos a rocky place, a hilly place, a desert beaches? 0:23:18.500 --> 0:23:19.939 Describe Patmos. 0:23:20.330 --> 0:23:23.330 It's all of that except for desert, I think it's 0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:27.170 a it's very rocky, very hilly. And there are beaches. 0:23:27.170 --> 0:23:30.109 Of course, every bit of shoreline is a bit of beach. 0:23:30.380 --> 0:23:34.790 One of the neatest beaches is called Pasilla Armas. It's 0:23:34.790 --> 0:23:38.360 a couple of Greek words that means fine sand, and 0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:41.869 it's actually the words that the Apostle John used in 0:23:41.869 --> 0:23:45.109 revelation 13, where he said he saw the beast coming 0:23:45.140 --> 0:23:48.680 out of the sea. He stood on the sand. So 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:51.080 you can go to Patmos today and stand on the 0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:54.619 very beach where it's possible that the Apostle John had 0:23:54.619 --> 0:23:57.500 in his mind when he wrote revelation 13. 0:23:57.830 --> 0:24:00.830 How about another favorite video scene? Or maybe a challenge 0:24:00.830 --> 0:24:02.780 along the way, one that you went, I don't think 0:24:02.780 --> 0:24:05.629 we're going to get this done, but you eventually did. 0:24:06.410 --> 0:24:11.360 Um, a challenge along the way. Um, I don't know, John. 0:24:11.390 --> 0:24:14.000 I'd have to stop and think about that. Um. 0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:15.740 All right. I'll let you off the hook on that one, 0:24:15.740 --> 0:24:18.379 but I won't let you off the hook in asking, 0:24:18.380 --> 0:24:20.990 how do we take advantage of these videos? You've got 0:24:20.990 --> 0:24:24.320 so many of them, and there's a subscription option, I'm told. 0:24:24.320 --> 0:24:25.640 How does this all work? 0:24:25.700 --> 0:24:29.700 Well, if you want to use it in coinciding with 0:24:29.700 --> 0:24:32.310 your reading of the Bible. You would just go to 0:24:32.340 --> 0:24:37.710 reading the Bible Fans.com. And that page there talks all 0:24:37.710 --> 0:24:40.200 about the program, the reading program, as well as the 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:42.630 videos and how to get access to them. 0:24:42.660 --> 0:24:45.450 Okay, so this is a great series and I encourage 0:24:45.450 --> 0:24:47.400 you to check it out. One other thought that we 0:24:47.400 --> 0:24:51.600 might not have considered why these videos in understanding the scriptures, 0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:54.480 it seems obvious. It's nice to see this stuff, nice 0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:56.820 to see these places, but something that we might not 0:24:56.850 --> 0:24:59.190 have thought about that you have uncovered as you've worked 0:24:59.190 --> 0:24:59.939 on them. 0:25:00.240 --> 0:25:04.020 Well, you sort of told us in your introduction, John, 0:25:04.050 --> 0:25:07.980 the statistic that 99% of those who experience the lands 0:25:07.980 --> 0:25:10.800 of the Bible say it has a profound impact on 0:25:10.830 --> 0:25:14.400 their walk with God. Honestly, that's why I'm so committed 0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:18.180 to ministry. That includes the lands of the Bible because 0:25:18.180 --> 0:25:21.300 it impacts people. And I know, you know, as you've 0:25:21.330 --> 0:25:25.290 taken people to Israel, you've seen how they've reacted to it, 0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:28.820 how it's blessed them, how it's blessed you personally. But 0:25:28.820 --> 0:25:31.790 not everybody can go. And so these videos are really 0:25:31.790 --> 0:25:34.640 the next best thing to give them that encouragement. 0:25:34.670 --> 0:25:37.280 And we encourage you to check out Reading the Bible Lands. 0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:40.190 There's a link to Wayne's website at ours, the Land 0:25:40.190 --> 0:25:43.940 and the book org. Thank you for making the time 0:25:43.940 --> 0:25:45.950 to visit with us, Wayne. We sure appreciate you. 0:25:45.980 --> 0:25:48.139 Thank you John. It's always a pleasure. 0:25:48.140 --> 0:25:50.900 And our friend Charlie Dyer is back. He's got Bible 0:25:50.900 --> 0:25:54.710 answers for your Bible questions all ahead on the land 0:25:54.710 --> 0:26:08.330 and the book. Thanks for your company today at the 0:26:08.330 --> 0:26:10.939 land and the book. Nice to have you listening. And 0:26:10.940 --> 0:26:12.770 by the way, if you've ever got a comment for us, 0:26:12.770 --> 0:26:15.859 something that you'd like to share, maybe an encouraging word 0:26:15.859 --> 0:26:18.650 about how God has used the program. Our email address 0:26:18.650 --> 0:26:23.990 is the Land and the book@moody.edu. It's segment three. Charlie, 0:26:24.020 --> 0:26:25.310 what are we about to do? 0:26:25.490 --> 0:26:28.850 We're about to answer our listeners questions. If they've got questions, 0:26:28.850 --> 0:26:30.020 hopefully we have answers. 0:26:30.050 --> 0:26:32.060 All right. I'm looking forward to that. But, you know, 0:26:32.090 --> 0:26:34.070 Israel has been in the news a lot over the 0:26:34.070 --> 0:26:36.859 past year. And as we know, the Bible is pretty 0:26:36.890 --> 0:26:40.580 packed with end times prophecies about epic world events, the 0:26:40.580 --> 0:26:43.760 regathering of the Jewish people to their ancient homeland, and 0:26:43.790 --> 0:26:48.409 the ultimate event, Jesus soon return. And it's crucial, it 0:26:48.410 --> 0:26:50.240 seems to me, for us as believers, to have a 0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:53.479 proper understanding of Bible prophecy so that our view of 0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:57.169 the future is shaped by Scripture, not just today's headlines. 0:26:57.200 --> 0:26:59.450 Absolutely. And with this in mind, our friends at Life 0:26:59.450 --> 0:27:02.870 and Messiah have published a book titled God, Israel and 0:27:02.869 --> 0:27:05.540 Bible Prophecy, and they're offering it to listeners of the 0:27:05.540 --> 0:27:08.540 land in the book for a limited time. This informative 0:27:08.570 --> 0:27:12.440 book is focused on providing readers with a deeper understanding 0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:15.890 and greater appreciation of what God has in store for 0:27:15.890 --> 0:27:19.159 Israel and the nations by digging into what the scriptures 0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:22.310 say about these issues. Now, if you're interested in learning 0:27:22.310 --> 0:27:25.370 more about what God has in store, Door. Visit Life 0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:28.550 in Messiah org and click on the Moody Radio button 0:27:28.550 --> 0:27:32.060 to find out how you can receive your copy of God, 0:27:32.060 --> 0:27:37.280 Israel and Bible Prophecy. That's life in messiah.org. 0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:40.310 Roger has an interesting question. To start things off, what 0:27:40.310 --> 0:27:42.949 is your best guess as to what happened to Noah's 0:27:42.950 --> 0:27:47.090 Ark after the flood was over and civilization began again? 0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:49.310 He says, I don't know of any biblical description of 0:27:49.310 --> 0:27:51.830 what possibly happened to it, so I know this would 0:27:51.830 --> 0:27:53.630 be conjecture on your part. 0:27:53.660 --> 0:27:56.270 Yeah, my best guess. And really, that's all it can 0:27:56.270 --> 0:27:58.879 be right now, is that the Ark remained on Mount 0:27:58.910 --> 0:28:03.350 Ararat and likely disintegrated over time in a wet climate 0:28:03.350 --> 0:28:06.230 like the one there with rain and snow. Even the 0:28:06.230 --> 0:28:10.160 most durable wood would eventually decay. The next few chapters 0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:13.310 of Genesis tell us the descendants moved away from the area, 0:28:13.340 --> 0:28:16.699 eventually settling in modern day Iraq, where they built the 0:28:16.700 --> 0:28:19.909 Tower of Babel. The Ark simply fell into slow decay 0:28:19.910 --> 0:28:24.740 and decline, so whatever material remains there were, they likely vanished. 0:28:24.890 --> 0:28:28.879 Robert says our Bible group is studying numbers eight. Aaron 0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:32.450 lighting the lamps of the candlestick. Were there separate bowls 0:28:32.450 --> 0:28:35.780 on each branch that were removable to allow for lighting 0:28:35.780 --> 0:28:38.570 the center top bowl first, then from there lighting the 0:28:38.570 --> 0:28:41.180 six bowls on the branches from the top branch bowl. 0:28:41.210 --> 0:28:44.690 How did Aaron light the six branches from the center lamp, 0:28:44.690 --> 0:28:47.450 and how did they transport this lampstand when moving in 0:28:47.450 --> 0:28:50.480 the wilderness? Wanderings. In other words, how was the fire 0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:52.610 kept lit when transporting? 0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:55.700 Yeah, those are great questions. Now, the Bible doesn't really 0:28:55.700 --> 0:28:59.750 provide explicit answers. Now, I've taken the bowls on top 0:28:59.750 --> 0:29:01.700 to be part of the menorah that was made from 0:29:01.700 --> 0:29:04.910 a solid piece of hammered gold. Now, Jewish tradition adds 0:29:04.910 --> 0:29:08.510 some other details, but those details aren't found in the Bible. 0:29:08.540 --> 0:29:11.690 I don't believe the menorah was kept lit while they traveled. 0:29:11.690 --> 0:29:15.050 Likely either coals were kept in a container to help 0:29:15.050 --> 0:29:18.140 relight the lamps, or else they used flint to start 0:29:18.140 --> 0:29:20.600 a new fire, but the lamp was kept lit all 0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:23.900 night while the tabernacle was set up, but probably not 0:29:23.930 --> 0:29:26.840 when the tabernacle was disassembled and the pieces were then 0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:28.250 being carried along. 0:29:28.340 --> 0:29:31.580 A question from Eric. He says, are there any ministries 0:29:31.580 --> 0:29:34.790 that work in Israel to help needy people and help 0:29:34.790 --> 0:29:37.760 to tell people in Israel about Jesus? Is there a 0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:40.910 way to determine which ministries working in Israel are doing 0:29:40.910 --> 0:29:43.430 a good job for anybody who might want to donate? 0:29:43.460 --> 0:29:46.490 Yeah, and there are several ministries. And let me suggest two. 0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:49.040 This this isn't the total limit, but here's two that 0:29:49.040 --> 0:29:53.060 I can suggest. The first is Joel Rosenberg's Joshua Fund, 0:29:53.090 --> 0:29:57.050 and the second is the Jerusalem Assembly House of redemption, 0:29:57.050 --> 0:30:01.730 pastored by Menno Kalischer. Now both are evangelical and evangelistic. 0:30:01.730 --> 0:30:05.720 Both provide practical and spiritual help, and you can find 0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:09.620 more information on either group by googling them. That's Joel 0:30:09.620 --> 0:30:13.130 Rosenberg's Joshua Fund or Menno Kalischer. And if you Google 0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:17.360 his name and Assembly House of Redemption Jerusalem, you'll find them. 0:30:17.390 --> 0:30:19.850 This is the land of the book from Moody Radio 0:30:19.850 --> 0:30:23.340 answering your questions about the Bible prophecy in the Middle East, 0:30:23.370 --> 0:30:26.040 like this one from Richard. He says, I just finished 0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:29.460 reading your book, Charlie Experiencing the Land of the book, 0:30:29.460 --> 0:30:31.710 I loved it. I did have one question. You didn't 0:30:31.710 --> 0:30:34.950 include Cana in your travelogue, but I wondered if you 0:30:34.950 --> 0:30:38.280 had any information on it. Do you know anything about this? Yeah. 0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:40.440 Thanks for the comments on the book. The one main 0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:43.290 reason I didn't include Cana is I don't believe the 0:30:43.290 --> 0:30:47.250 traditional site is authentic. It's near Nazareth, but it fits 0:30:47.340 --> 0:30:49.830 when people are driving through the country. But it's probably 0:30:49.830 --> 0:30:51.930 not the one that was mentioned in John two. Now 0:30:51.930 --> 0:30:55.110 there are at least two other possibilities, but they're almost 0:30:55.110 --> 0:30:58.050 never visited by tourists. And as I was putting that 0:30:58.050 --> 0:31:01.050 book together, I couldn't include everything. So Cana was one 0:31:01.050 --> 0:31:02.400 that I chose to leave out. 0:31:02.550 --> 0:31:04.950 Jim wants to know, could you help me understand any 0:31:04.950 --> 0:31:08.880 differences between Calvinism and Reformed theology? 0:31:08.910 --> 0:31:11.550 Yeah, this is a difficult question, at least for me 0:31:11.550 --> 0:31:15.240 to answer, partly because it's more theological than biblical in nature. 0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:18.780 And I think also because different theologians disagree in their 0:31:18.780 --> 0:31:21.770 definition of those terms. So I start this way. Take 0:31:21.770 --> 0:31:23.450 what I'm going to say now with a heavy dose 0:31:23.450 --> 0:31:26.390 of salt. I would say those who hold to reformed 0:31:26.390 --> 0:31:30.980 theology are also Calvinists, but not all Calvinists accept all 0:31:30.980 --> 0:31:34.010 the tenets of reformed theology. It seems to me the 0:31:34.010 --> 0:31:38.270 dividing line centers around inspiration and authority of God's Word. 0:31:38.300 --> 0:31:43.370 Most reformed theologians accept biblical inspiration and authority, but I 0:31:43.370 --> 0:31:45.680 don't necessarily see that being true of all who claim 0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:49.700 to be Calvinists. Some schools, for example, that identify themselves 0:31:49.700 --> 0:31:54.620 as Calvinistic, don't necessarily hold to verbal plenary inspiration, while 0:31:54.620 --> 0:31:58.160 almost all reformed schools and churches do. Now, that may 0:31:58.190 --> 0:32:01.130 be a very simplistic answer, but it's probably the best 0:32:01.130 --> 0:32:02.180 I can provide. 0:32:02.210 --> 0:32:05.840 All right. A critical comment from James here. Holidays and 0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:08.090 events like Father's Day and Mother's Day seem to be 0:32:08.090 --> 0:32:11.420 only a US tradition. Seems like these days and traditions 0:32:11.420 --> 0:32:14.390 are made up for people in the USA. But imagine 0:32:14.390 --> 0:32:16.219 living in the Middle East or some other country and 0:32:16.220 --> 0:32:19.340 hearing programs that celebrate Father's Day or Mother's Day or 0:32:19.340 --> 0:32:24.260 some other made up US holiday. Christianity is not USA only. 0:32:24.290 --> 0:32:26.990 Who are you trying to please in your broadcast? Do 0:32:27.020 --> 0:32:29.480 the promoters of your program gear the land and the 0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:33.709 book to USA listeners only? When is Christianity going to 0:32:33.740 --> 0:32:36.530 stop being USA driven? Yeah, well. 0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:38.600 And I'll start this way. Actually, Mother's Day and Father's 0:32:38.630 --> 0:32:42.200 Day are celebrated beyond our borders. Now, the date isn't 0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:45.590 always the same, but Americans aren't the only ones celebrating. 0:32:45.590 --> 0:32:48.620 And the biblical injunction to honor our father and our 0:32:48.620 --> 0:32:51.920 mother really form a good foundation for setting aside a 0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:55.160 specific day to celebrate in this way. Now, in terms 0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:57.710 of who we're trying to please in the program, the 0:32:57.710 --> 0:33:00.500 real answer, I think, is the Lord. I believe the 0:33:00.500 --> 0:33:03.320 point of the devotional I gave on Father's Day, for example, 0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:06.620 was a reminder that God is the father to the fatherless. 0:33:06.620 --> 0:33:10.850 So I don't apologize for using the devotional to do that. 0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:13.340 We seek to honor the Lord, and one way to 0:33:13.340 --> 0:33:16.219 do that is to encourage listeners to obey God by 0:33:16.220 --> 0:33:19.680 honoring their parents. Holidays like Mother's Day and Father's Day 0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:22.950 just happened to be a natural time to remind people 0:33:22.950 --> 0:33:24.090 of that truth. 0:33:24.150 --> 0:33:26.670 Rene says, I was in a discussion the other day 0:33:26.670 --> 0:33:30.570 about forgiveness, and somebody said, forgiving isn't forgetting, it's just 0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:35.550 remembering without anger. They also suggested forgiveness can't be extended 0:33:35.550 --> 0:33:39.180 unless repentance is first expressed. Am I missing something? 0:33:39.300 --> 0:33:41.400 You know, I think some people do try to split 0:33:41.430 --> 0:33:44.760 hairs when they suggest we only forgive when someone truly repents, 0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:48.810 or that we can somehow forgive but not forget. Now, first, 0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:52.050 in Luke 23, Jesus prayed for the soldiers who were 0:33:52.050 --> 0:33:54.960 crucifying him, and he said, father, forgive them, for they 0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:57.780 don't know what they're doing. Now his prayer asking for 0:33:57.780 --> 0:34:00.900 forgiveness isn't based on any repentance on the part of 0:34:00.900 --> 0:34:04.380 the soldiers. Also in Matthew 18, when Peter asks how 0:34:04.380 --> 0:34:07.320 many times he has to forgive someone who sinned against him, 0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:11.070 Jesus doesn't condition forgiveness there on the need for repentance 0:34:11.100 --> 0:34:13.560 on the part of the offending party. Peter was willing 0:34:13.590 --> 0:34:16.020 to forgive seven times, but Jesus said, no, it needs 0:34:16.020 --> 0:34:18.660 to be 70 times seven, which I think is a 0:34:18.660 --> 0:34:22.410 hypothetical grand number suggesting you need to extend forgiveness an 0:34:22.410 --> 0:34:25.710 infinite number of times. Still another verse. Again, a bunch 0:34:25.710 --> 0:34:27.450 of verses come to mind, but still another one I 0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:30.600 think of is Ephesians 426. We're told when we get 0:34:30.630 --> 0:34:33.270 angry not to sin, and we're told to be sure 0:34:33.300 --> 0:34:35.760 not to let the sun go down on our wrath. Now, 0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:39.060 when it comes to the thought of forgiving is not forgetting. 0:34:39.180 --> 0:34:41.940 I struggle to match that up. You know, in Hebrews 812, 0:34:41.969 --> 0:34:45.480 God said, I will forgive their wickedness and will remember 0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:48.420 their sins no more. Now my fear is that when 0:34:48.420 --> 0:34:51.540 someone says, I'll forgive, but I won't forget, I'm not 0:34:51.540 --> 0:34:54.000 sure they've truly forgiven. And I think that's the point. 0:34:54.030 --> 0:34:57.150 Being stressed there in that Hebrews 812 passage. You know 0:34:57.180 --> 0:35:01.110 God can't ever forget something since he's omniscient. But the 0:35:01.110 --> 0:35:04.860 verses suggesting that true forgiveness from a human perspective is 0:35:04.860 --> 0:35:08.129 as if we've forgotten the offense that took place. I 0:35:08.130 --> 0:35:12.000 can't push the divine human analogy too far, but I 0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:14.160 think that's what it's being said there. So I believe 0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:17.310 when we forgive, even when someone hasn't asked to be forgiven, 0:35:17.310 --> 0:35:20.100 we're mirroring what Jesus did on the cross. And it 0:35:20.100 --> 0:35:23.760 allows us to guard against harboring resentment, which can produce 0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:26.760 a root of bitterness, which Hebrews 1215 says we're not 0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:29.790 supposed to have. One mark of true forgiveness on our 0:35:29.790 --> 0:35:32.310 part is that the memory of the offense will fade 0:35:32.310 --> 0:35:34.680 over time, so that we don't dwell on it. 0:35:34.710 --> 0:35:38.190 One last question from Jeanne. During the millennium, Satan will 0:35:38.190 --> 0:35:41.070 be bound, but will the demons and evil spirits also 0:35:41.070 --> 0:35:41.969 be bound? 0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:44.430 Now, I believe the demons will also be bound with 0:35:44.430 --> 0:35:46.830 Satan during the Millennial Kingdom. And I say that because 0:35:46.830 --> 0:35:49.890 in revelation 12, Satan is clearly pictured as the leader 0:35:49.890 --> 0:35:52.740 of the angels who rebelled against God. And when Satan 0:35:52.739 --> 0:35:55.590 was cast out of heaven, his followers, those fallen angels 0:35:55.590 --> 0:35:58.080 were cast out as well. So when Satan is then 0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:00.630 confined in the abyss for a thousand years, I believe 0:36:00.630 --> 0:36:02.700 the same thing will happen to his followers. 0:36:02.730 --> 0:36:04.560 Well, we'd love to hear from you again. And if 0:36:04.590 --> 0:36:07.290 you've got a question that you'd like to put before Charlie. 0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:10.919 Email is the ticket. And here's the address, the land 0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:18.149 and the Dot edu. That's the land and the book@moody.edu. 0:36:18.180 --> 0:36:20.549 And if you haven't checked out our podcast lately, it's 0:36:20.550 --> 0:36:22.529 there at the website. Share it with a friend. Won't 0:36:22.530 --> 0:36:24.690 you let them know about it when you visit the 0:36:24.690 --> 0:36:29.160 land and the book? Org. Charlie Dyer's devotional is next 0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:45.299 right here on the land and the book. Your Bible 0:36:45.300 --> 0:36:47.850 is not just a good book. It's a great book. 0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:51.810 It is utterly and entirely inspired. What does that mean? 0:36:51.810 --> 0:36:54.480 We'll dig into that as we hear from Charlie Dyer 0:36:54.510 --> 0:36:57.510 in a moment. His devotional, the last in his series, 0:36:57.510 --> 0:37:01.410 the three over 16 series, takes us to where today, Charlie. 0:37:01.530 --> 0:37:03.930 Uh, takes us to second Timothy 316. 0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:06.509 Okay, I'm looking forward to that right now, though, this 0:37:06.510 --> 0:37:08.850 Holy Land experience testimony you and I have got to 0:37:08.850 --> 0:37:10.260 take in, I love these. 0:37:14.160 --> 0:37:16.770 Hi, my name is Jack and this is my Holy 0:37:16.770 --> 0:37:20.250 Land experience. I've studied and taught the scriptures for over 0:37:20.250 --> 0:37:24.299 40 years, since my recent first and only visit to 0:37:24.330 --> 0:37:27.210 the Holy Land on a moody tour. I now picture 0:37:27.210 --> 0:37:30.720 the settings of familiar stories with much more clarity. The 0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:34.110 bricks and the buildings are vivid. The river, the desert, 0:37:34.140 --> 0:37:37.230 the rocks and the forests are more real. All this 0:37:37.230 --> 0:37:41.040 brings life to my own visualization of Bible stories, and 0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:44.190 this translates to more real, more human stories that set 0:37:44.190 --> 0:37:47.430 a context closer to my life, closer to the way 0:37:47.430 --> 0:37:50.670 we all live than the images I had formed from 0:37:50.670 --> 0:37:54.630 flannel graphs and cartoon drawings. The real stories are human 0:37:54.630 --> 0:37:57.690 struggles taking place in a very real context that I 0:37:57.690 --> 0:38:00.750 can now better connect with and can help others better 0:38:00.750 --> 0:38:01.710 connect with. 0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:06.330 All right, the Breath of God is what we're considering 0:38:06.330 --> 0:38:09.540 in your devotional today, Charlie. Let you get at it. 0:38:09.570 --> 0:38:11.969 Ah. Thanks, John. This is the final week of my 0:38:11.969 --> 0:38:15.960 five week series on famous 316 of the Bible, and 0:38:15.960 --> 0:38:19.469 today finds us in a dark, damp, foul smelling prison 0:38:19.469 --> 0:38:23.910 cell in Rome. It's definitely not a scenic site. The 0:38:23.910 --> 0:38:27.840 iron bars, heavy chains and ever present Roman guards let 0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:31.110 us know that this is home to those most disfavored 0:38:31.110 --> 0:38:34.350 by Emperor Nero. Most of the prisoners are here awaiting 0:38:34.350 --> 0:38:38.280 the final disposition of their cases. And for the vast majority, 0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:43.290 that means official condemnation, followed by swift execution. For those 0:38:43.290 --> 0:38:47.010 fortunate enough to be Roman citizens, this means beheading. For 0:38:47.010 --> 0:38:51.750 those not so fortunate, it usually means crucifixion. The dampness 0:38:51.780 --> 0:38:55.770 inside the prison magnifies the chill from outside. The changing 0:38:55.770 --> 0:38:58.470 weather is a reminder that winter is on the way. 0:38:58.469 --> 0:39:02.010 Rome might house and feed its prisoners, but anything else, 0:39:02.010 --> 0:39:05.220 like a warm cloak, needs to be provided by family 0:39:05.219 --> 0:39:08.759 or friends. Otherwise the prisoner can spend the remaining time 0:39:08.790 --> 0:39:13.110 until his execution, simply trying to stay warm. We stand 0:39:13.110 --> 0:39:15.480 here trying to take in this scene of suffering and 0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:19.229 we find ourselves shuddering. Is it the cold, or is 0:39:19.230 --> 0:39:21.720 it the sheer horror of the place that sent that 0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:25.020 chill up our spine? As our eyes grow more accustomed 0:39:25.020 --> 0:39:27.750 to the darkness, we spot an unusual scene in the 0:39:27.750 --> 0:39:31.410 far corner. There in a cell, is a bedraggled prisoner 0:39:31.410 --> 0:39:34.259 speaking with another man. The second man is seated at 0:39:34.260 --> 0:39:38.130 a table holding a quill. Before him are blank pages 0:39:38.130 --> 0:39:41.400 of papyrus. As the prisoner speaks, the man dips the 0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:44.339 quill into an inkwell and then begins scratching out the 0:39:44.340 --> 0:39:48.690 words on paper. Curiosity draws us closer to hear what's 0:39:48.690 --> 0:39:52.500 being said. As we approach, we suddenly realize the disheveled 0:39:52.500 --> 0:39:56.430 prisoner who's speaking is none other than the Apostle Paul. 0:39:56.430 --> 0:39:59.489 We can't be sure, but the one serving as copyist 0:39:59.489 --> 0:40:03.240 seems to be Luke, the physician. In hushed tones. Paul 0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:05.850 is dictating a letter to be carried to his young 0:40:05.850 --> 0:40:10.440 disciple Timothy in Ephesus As we listen, our eyes moisten 0:40:10.440 --> 0:40:13.830 as we realize Paul is sharing his final thoughts, his 0:40:13.830 --> 0:40:16.590 last words with this one, who has been like a 0:40:16.590 --> 0:40:19.440 son to him. But about now I can hear you saying, 0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:22.590 wait a minute. I thought this series of messages was 0:40:22.590 --> 0:40:26.100 on the famous 316 of the Bible. Words of comfort 0:40:26.100 --> 0:40:29.250 and hope and inspiration. This sounds like a dark scene 0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:33.390 of sorrow and sadness, focused on a man unjustly accused 0:40:33.390 --> 0:40:37.410 and about to die alone. Where's the hope in this passage? 0:40:37.530 --> 0:40:40.380 Several times in Israel, I was with groups who visited 0:40:40.380 --> 0:40:43.590 the diamond cutting centers. Officially, we were there to learn 0:40:43.590 --> 0:40:46.950 about the diamond cutting industry. But in reality, the centers 0:40:46.950 --> 0:40:50.129 exist to try to sell diamonds to the visitors. I 0:40:50.130 --> 0:40:53.250 never purchased any, but I was fascinated to watch their 0:40:53.250 --> 0:40:56.550 sales technique. I noticed that they displayed the diamonds on 0:40:56.550 --> 0:41:00.330 a dark velvet background, with a strong light shining down 0:41:00.330 --> 0:41:03.810 from above. The light refracted from the many facets of 0:41:03.810 --> 0:41:07.260 the diamonds, and seemed to sparkle more intensely when set 0:41:07.260 --> 0:41:10.680 against the dark velvet. Well, gazing at the Apostle Paul 0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:14.430 dictating this final letter, that scene from the Diamond Factory 0:41:14.430 --> 0:41:19.229 is what flashes in my mind. Today's 316 blazes like 0:41:19.230 --> 0:41:22.470 a diamond glittering under a bright light, and it shines 0:41:22.469 --> 0:41:26.549 more intensely because of the dark background in which it's displayed. 0:41:26.580 --> 0:41:30.600 Paul doesn't sugarcoat his situation when the going got tough 0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:34.680 for Paul. Most of his friends abandoned him. He said 0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:38.130 that apart from a few notable exceptions, everyone in the 0:41:38.130 --> 0:41:42.360 province of Asia has deserted me. Later, he adds, Demas 0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:45.960 has deserted me. Only Luke is with me. At his 0:41:45.960 --> 0:41:49.170 first defense before the tribunal of Nero, no one came 0:41:49.170 --> 0:41:52.830 to my support. But everyone deserted me. These aren't the 0:41:52.830 --> 0:41:56.640 whinings of a bitter man, simply statements of fact. Paul 0:41:56.640 --> 0:41:59.339 knew it was only a matter of time, likely very 0:41:59.340 --> 0:42:03.210 little time before he would be sentenced to death and executed. 0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:07.320 The time has come for my departure, he says. But 0:42:07.320 --> 0:42:10.290 as bad as Paul's situation was, Paul wanted Timothy to 0:42:10.320 --> 0:42:13.800 know the world would someday grow even darker. He didn't 0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:16.710 know when, but he wanted Timothy to be ready. And 0:42:16.710 --> 0:42:20.520 Paul doesn't sugarcoat what the future holds. He introduces a 0:42:20.550 --> 0:42:24.570 laundry list of moral and spiritual decline with a stark 0:42:24.570 --> 0:42:28.230 note in chapter three, verse one. But mark this there 0:42:28.230 --> 0:42:31.649 will be terrible times in the last days and is 0:42:31.650 --> 0:42:35.400 charged to. Timothy is equally direct, but you keep your 0:42:35.400 --> 0:42:39.180 head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of 0:42:39.180 --> 0:42:43.620 an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry. No 0:42:43.620 --> 0:42:45.990 matter what happens all around you, Timothy, you have a 0:42:45.989 --> 0:42:50.969 job to do. So stay faithful and remain diligent. Okay, Charlie, 0:42:50.969 --> 0:42:54.930 but you still haven't explained why this particular 316 is 0:42:54.930 --> 0:42:58.739 so special. And that's what I'll do right now. I 0:42:58.739 --> 0:43:01.560 find it fascinating that in the very letter where Paul 0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:04.700 describes the darkness about to descend on the world in 0:43:04.700 --> 0:43:07.670 the last days. He also provides three of the most 0:43:07.670 --> 0:43:12.230 dramatic descriptions of the centrality and power of God's Word. 0:43:12.230 --> 0:43:14.810 And the middle one of the three is two Timothy 0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:19.670 316 and 17. All Scripture is God breathed and is 0:43:19.670 --> 0:43:24.379 useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness so 0:43:24.380 --> 0:43:26.839 that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for 0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:30.739 every good work. No matter where the world might go, 0:43:30.739 --> 0:43:34.190 Paul tells Timothy he needs to go back to the Bible. 0:43:34.219 --> 0:43:38.390 Paul first focuses on its origin. It's God breathed. The 0:43:38.390 --> 0:43:42.680 word translated, inspired in some English versions is the honestus, 0:43:42.710 --> 0:43:47.150 which literally means God breathed. God is the source of 0:43:47.150 --> 0:43:51.290 the Bible. And then Paul reminds Timothy of its essential usefulness. 0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:55.250 It's useful for teaching, that is, it explains what life 0:43:55.250 --> 0:43:58.130 is all about, how life works, and how it relates 0:43:58.130 --> 0:44:02.210 to God's ultimate plans. It provides the creed sharing the 0:44:02.210 --> 0:44:05.530 truth we need to know. But God's Word isn't just 0:44:05.530 --> 0:44:09.759 for our mind. It's also designed to impact how we live. Rebuking, 0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:13.239 correcting and training in righteousness to prepare us for every 0:44:13.239 --> 0:44:17.410 good work. Timothy. Focus on the Bible. It is sourced 0:44:17.410 --> 0:44:19.480 in God and it will help you know what to 0:44:19.510 --> 0:44:23.080 believe and how to act. How important is the Word 0:44:23.080 --> 0:44:27.520 of God? It's essential. In fact, Paul places this amazing 0:44:27.520 --> 0:44:31.960 316 in a dramatic setting flanked by two other crucial 0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:35.919 truths about the Bible. In chapter two, verse 15, Paul 0:44:35.920 --> 0:44:38.980 exhorts Timothy to do your best to present yourself to 0:44:39.010 --> 0:44:42.160 God as one approved, a workman who does not need 0:44:42.160 --> 0:44:45.880 to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 0:44:45.910 --> 0:44:48.940 If you want to serve God well, then handle his 0:44:48.940 --> 0:44:52.660 word of truth faithfully and accurately. And on the other 0:44:52.660 --> 0:44:56.890 side of his 316 mountaintop, Paul adds his third exhortation 0:44:56.890 --> 0:44:59.590 on the Word of God at the beginning of chapter four, 0:44:59.590 --> 0:45:02.890 and he begins by invoking the presence of Jesus and 0:45:02.890 --> 0:45:05.680 God the Father as witnesses to what he's about to 0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:08.950 say in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, 0:45:08.950 --> 0:45:11.529 who will judge the living and the dead. And in 0:45:11.530 --> 0:45:14.410 view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you 0:45:14.410 --> 0:45:18.490 this charge. Preach the word. Be prepared in season and 0:45:18.489 --> 0:45:22.780 out of season. Correct. Rebuke and encourage with great patience 0:45:22.780 --> 0:45:27.820 and careful instruction. The word translated preach is the verb kerusso, 0:45:27.850 --> 0:45:31.780 which has the idea of proclaiming or heralding. Timothy is 0:45:31.780 --> 0:45:35.920 to be proclaiming God's Word in any situation, correcting error, 0:45:35.950 --> 0:45:41.140 rebuking sinful action, and encouraging all to remain faithful. Well, 0:45:41.140 --> 0:45:43.600 as we get ready to leave this prison and return home, 0:45:43.600 --> 0:45:47.020 what does this final 316 have to do with our 0:45:47.020 --> 0:45:49.570 lives today? We live in a world that seems to 0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:53.440 be moving ever more rapidly toward the last days described 0:45:53.440 --> 0:45:56.350 by Paul in two Timothy three. But rather than becoming 0:45:56.350 --> 0:46:00.279 depressed or discouraged or defeated, Paul's message to Timothy and 0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:04.180 to us is to become dedicated to studying, obeying, and 0:46:04.180 --> 0:46:07.930 proclaiming God's life, giving word to a world that so 0:46:07.930 --> 0:46:12.640 desperately needs to hear what God has said. Remember, the 0:46:12.640 --> 0:46:16.150 Bible itself is God breathed, and the darker the world becomes, 0:46:16.150 --> 0:46:19.000 the brighter his light can shine through us as we 0:46:19.000 --> 0:46:22.239 take in His Word and then share it with others. 0:46:22.270 --> 0:46:25.719 Thank you Charlie. Always practical. That scene kind of grips 0:46:25.719 --> 0:46:28.000 me there, Paul, in that prison. Thank you. You can 0:46:28.000 --> 0:46:29.890 hear it all again. By the way, if you check 0:46:29.920 --> 0:46:32.860 out our podcast, it's available at our website. The land 0:46:32.860 --> 0:46:36.430 and the book. Dot org. All kinds of other great 0:46:36.430 --> 0:46:41.140 resources there as well. The land and the book.org. That'll 0:46:41.140 --> 0:46:43.930 do it for today's broadcast. Thanks for hanging out. Our 0:46:43.930 --> 0:46:47.170 host is Doctor Charlie Dyer. Our producer, Dan Anderson. I'm 0:46:47.170 --> 0:46:50.049 John Geiger, thanking you for being a part of the land. 0:46:50.050 --> 0:46:53.350 And the book, a production of Moody Radio, a ministry 0:46:53.350 --> 0:46:55.180 of Moody Bible Institute.