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S9: of unique because oftentimes it can get like behavior management,

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S5: All right. There is a little cost to this, but

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S5: for some of you, you're like, wow, give me some

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S5: resources like this. And this will be helpful. Simple to

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S5: And one of the things that we're committed to is

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S1: He was running from God. But God's love brought him home.

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S5: Uh, the really encouraging note here is the amount of

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S5: people responding for links for Christopher Young's Holy. That one word. Holy. Astounding.

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S5: I did not know that the need would be this great,

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S3: Well, I think that anyone who has children in their life,

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S5: Yeah. So the key word is holy to 800 555 7898.

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S5: If you want to hear a real tender delivery on

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S3: I can't duplicate it, but this is one of those moves. Uh, announcements.

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S3: I like that. That was good. We actually need your

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S3: help with something. We are coming up on spring share,

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S3: and this year, we're doing something really fun. We are

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S3: putting together a compilation of testimonies from you, our listeners,

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S3: on what Moody Radio means to you, how it's impacted you.

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S3: What's your favorite moment you've heard on any show? And

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S3: so we have put together a step by step guide.

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S3: This is not required, but if you want to help

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S3: that we will use for Spring Share. Text the word

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S3: video to 800 555 7898. Text video to 800 555 7898.

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S3: And here's what you're going to get. You're going to

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S3: can't wait to see these. You know we don't always

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S3: get to interact with you in person, so hearing these

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S8: Yeah.

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S5: And I the only thing I'd add is I really,

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S5: really want to see those come in that people have

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S5: a posture of real humility and just gratitude to the

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S5: grace of God for what they've maybe heard here. And just, uh,

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S5: some of you might say, oh, God's really worked in

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S5: me through radio, but I'm so nervous to do something

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S5: like this. Ali in the team have worked up a

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S5: And you can do it.

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S8: Yeah. And this is.

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S3: to this really just walking through and going what question

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S3: So you just will print this out or have it

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S3: a with a webcam. That's really the only thing you

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S3: text video to 800 555 7898. We can't wait to

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S5: Yeah, it's exciting, really it is.

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S1: Romans eight brought her to Jesus while broadcasting traffic overnight.

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S5: So we've been tackling it all week. The topic is discipleship,

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S5: and I love to share this. I think it's a

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S5: truism of life in ministry and in the church. It's

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S5: it's very, very much so easier to gather a crowd

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S5: than it is to make disciples. And if the primary

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S5: given noses and nickels, it can validate things that don't

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S5: need to be validate or invalidate things that need to

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S5: be validated. You know what I'm saying? If you're measuring

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S5: only those two metrics, that can be dangerous.

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S8: Ali.

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S3: Right. And when we are called to be disciples and

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S5: Yeah. For sure. Uh, Larry McCall, our guest right now.

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S5: What do you say about that? I'd love. I do

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S5: But boy, if we could lean into that discipleship as

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S5: a measuring point, it would help us, wouldn't it, Larry?

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S10: It sure would, Carl. You know, you think about the

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S3: We've got Larry McCall with us this morning, founder and

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S3: WW what would Jesus do? Bracelets. And everybody was wearing them.

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S3: But it posed a a good question what would Jesus

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S10: I think it is most of the time. There are

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S5: What do you say is a starting point for making disciples?

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S5: I know that you've done a work called walking with

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S5: Jesus that was so, uh, received so well that you've

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S5: actually done a reissue, a reprinting. What is it that

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S5: are the fundamental first steps if we're going to build

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S10: Yeah. John said first John chapter two. He said, by

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S10: I did for some baby Christians in our church, and

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S3: So what are those key characteristics? I know you lay

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S10: Yeah, I think the missing element and this is my

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S10: is that we miss the the centrality of the gospel.

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S10: we not only want to know who Jesus is and

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S5: You know, I was asking a friend of the shows here,

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S5: immediately popped back. He said, That's easy obedience. And I

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S5: And pretty quick. Obedience is code for you. Better act right.

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S5: the scriptures. But Jesus himself said, if you want to

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S5: have a life that's built to last, don't just hear

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S5: these words of mine. Put them into practice. Obey them.

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S5: And we find that you were citing first, John, if

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S5: his word. Wow. There's something inconsistent here. How do we

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S10: You know, I think so many of us that do

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S8: Yes.

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S10: You know, you think do you think of that famous

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S10: in view of God's mercies. And here Paul's tying God's mercies,

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S10: these wonderful statements of God's grace with the command. So

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S10: if we lean into that, we lean into God's grace.

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S10: He's been so gracious to me. It is a sweet

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S10: obedience that it is a delight to obey my master

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S3: Larry, what are some of the character traits that maybe

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S3: don't get as much attention. I think people talk about

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S3: People talk about the mercy of God. What are some

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S10: Yeah, yeah, that's a good question. I think, uh, one

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S10: issue of forgiveness. And having been a pastor for, what

671
00:35:50,340 --> 00:35:53,660
S10: is it, 44 years now? I must be getting old. Um,

672
00:35:54,940 --> 00:35:58,380
S10: you know, I counsel people sometimes that need to forgive.

673
00:35:58,380 --> 00:36:01,379
S10: Someone should forgive someone who's offended them, sinned against them,

674
00:36:01,380 --> 00:36:03,380
S10: and they say, well, I don't think they're sorry enough,

675
00:36:03,380 --> 00:36:05,379
S10: or how could I forgive her after all she did

676
00:36:05,420 --> 00:36:08,299
S10: to me? And it comes back to the question, why

677
00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:12,500
S10: do we forgive? We don't forgive because the sin against

678
00:36:12,500 --> 00:36:16,660
S10: us is so forgivable. We forgive because we have been forgiven.

679
00:36:17,140 --> 00:36:19,500
S10: And so that drives us back to Christ and what

680
00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:22,899
S10: he's done for us. And so forgiveness is one that

681
00:36:22,900 --> 00:36:24,739
S10: kind of grabs our gut. That's one a lot of

682
00:36:24,739 --> 00:36:27,580
S10: people struggle with. But there's other ones, too. I mean,

683
00:36:27,620 --> 00:36:30,580
S10: I think of how Jesus was incarnate. You know, he

684
00:36:30,580 --> 00:36:33,819
S10: came from heaven to earth. He entered our world to

685
00:36:33,860 --> 00:36:36,500
S10: redeem us. And I think he wants us to enter

686
00:36:36,500 --> 00:36:38,899
S10: into the world of other people. We want to he

687
00:36:38,900 --> 00:36:42,500
S10: wants us to go to people who need the message

688
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:45,380
S10: of his salvation, the message of his grace. And and

689
00:36:45,380 --> 00:36:47,620
S10: yet we tend to hang with our own kind. You know,

690
00:36:47,660 --> 00:36:50,500
S10: I just want to hang with people like me. And, uh,

691
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:52,940
S10: it's hard to cross that line and go over to

692
00:36:52,940 --> 00:36:55,620
S10: someone who might be of a different race or different ethnicity,

693
00:36:55,940 --> 00:36:59,060
S10: someone who's still very much in the world and show

694
00:36:59,060 --> 00:37:01,420
S10: them the love of Christ. Give them a message of Christ.

695
00:37:01,460 --> 00:37:04,259
S10: So that's one that gets overlooked. Ali, I think, is

696
00:37:04,260 --> 00:37:07,819
S10: just having an incarnational ministry where we're entering into the

697
00:37:07,820 --> 00:37:11,500
S10: worlds of other people without the world entering into us.

698
00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:17,140
S5: What's the single most important attribute? If you see people

699
00:37:17,140 --> 00:37:21,910
S5: who go from starving without Christ to thriving in relationship

700
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:26,750
S5: with Christ. What's the common thread? The single most important

701
00:37:26,750 --> 00:37:30,230
S5: attribute of those people that are walking with Jesus into

702
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:32,029
S5: the abundant life that he promised.

703
00:37:32,670 --> 00:37:36,670
S10: Hmm. Wow. That's such an important question, and I don't

704
00:37:36,670 --> 00:37:38,630
S10: want to answer it just off the cuff. But I'll

705
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:41,190
S10: tell you what comes to my mind, Karl, is that

706
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:47,230
S10: whole aspect of marinating, marinating in his grace, that we

707
00:37:47,230 --> 00:37:53,190
S10: are so aware of our sinfulness and aware of the

708
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:58,629
S10: forgiveness of Jesus Christ, his worthiness, that we're overwhelmed with

709
00:37:58,670 --> 00:38:01,229
S10: who he is and what he's done for us. That

710
00:38:01,230 --> 00:38:05,030
S10: that compels us to want to follow Christ, to want

711
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:08,989
S10: to make him known in our own families, our own community.

712
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:12,790
S10: So it's that being captivated by his grace.

713
00:38:13,150 --> 00:38:16,670
S5: Yeah, I love that. And I believe that 100%. And

714
00:38:16,670 --> 00:38:19,950
S5: embedded in that is humility and teachability and all that.

715
00:38:19,950 --> 00:38:23,790
S5: But you're right. It's that it's not that academic. Okay,

716
00:38:23,830 --> 00:38:25,870
S5: I'm going to I'm going to read this and go.

717
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:29,390
S5: It's that wonder of the grace of God and being

718
00:38:29,390 --> 00:38:32,509
S5: blown away by it, I love it. Well, he's done

719
00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:34,029
S5: a great work here, hasn't he, Ali?

720
00:38:34,070 --> 00:38:34,350
S8: Yeah.

721
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:38,350
S3: I remember reading this book years ago, well before I

722
00:38:38,350 --> 00:38:41,149
S3: was with Moody Radio or Carl and Crew. And so

723
00:38:41,150 --> 00:38:44,189
S3: when I saw your name, Larry McCall, in the title

724
00:38:44,190 --> 00:38:46,350
S3: of this book, this one really blessed me. It's walking

725
00:38:46,350 --> 00:38:49,310
S3: with Jesus and the name of his ministry as well.

726
00:38:49,310 --> 00:38:55,830
S3: Walking Like Jesus ministries. Just text walking to 800 555 7898.

727
00:38:55,870 --> 00:39:00,310
S3: Text walking to 800 555 7898.

728
00:39:00,910 --> 00:39:03,870
S1: He was sharing the gospel on the radio and then

729
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:08,270
S1: he got saved. Young thunders in the crew. It's Carl

730
00:39:08,270 --> 00:39:09,989
S1: and crew on Moody radio.

731
00:39:10,270 --> 00:39:13,589
S5: It's Carl and crew helping you take your next step

732
00:39:13,590 --> 00:39:16,390
S5: with Jesus. That is our goal here, man. You can

733
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:19,870
S5: come as you are. Experience guide, overcome what seems impossible

734
00:39:19,870 --> 00:39:22,310
S5: and live as you never imagined. And that's not a

735
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:25,790
S5: pipe dream. That's right off the pages of Scripture. Uh,

736
00:39:26,110 --> 00:39:31,469
S5: I'm out taking my dog out. Little common area out back.

737
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:34,589
S5: Had him on the leash, and my neighbor backs out

738
00:39:34,590 --> 00:39:38,270
S5: of her townhouse and rolls down her window, and she

739
00:39:38,270 --> 00:39:41,430
S5: gave me some tough news. They're moving.

740
00:39:41,710 --> 00:39:42,030
S8: Oh.

741
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:44,350
S5: And I love our neighbors. I love.

742
00:39:44,350 --> 00:39:44,630
S8: Em.

743
00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:45,430
S11: That is hard.

744
00:39:45,550 --> 00:39:50,189
S5: Yeah. Roxana and Mo, they're great folks. I love them, and, uh,

745
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:53,830
S5: they they. The one thing she told me is that, uh,

746
00:39:53,830 --> 00:39:55,069
S5: they're going to be put in the house on the

747
00:39:55,070 --> 00:39:59,790
S5: market right after they're done with Ramadan. And, uh, you know, I,

748
00:40:00,310 --> 00:40:04,069
S5: I just by chance that they're listening. They know I

749
00:40:04,070 --> 00:40:06,590
S5: love them. They know I love them. It's been fun

750
00:40:06,590 --> 00:40:09,950
S5: to just forge a relationship with them and be neighbors,

751
00:40:09,950 --> 00:40:13,870
S5: and they're just fantastic neighbors. So it kind of freaks

752
00:40:13,870 --> 00:40:16,790
S5: you out. When you got new neighbors coming in, it's like, oh, God.

753
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:18,600
S8: Oh God. Here.

754
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,719
S5: Because a number of years ago, I already had the

755
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,560
S5: guy that was selling drugs out of his place. And

756
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,279
S5: so they would inadvertently knock on our door looking for

757
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,240
S5: eight balls. And I'm like, dude, I'm fresh out.

758
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:29,479
S8: Oh, boy. I'm fresh.

759
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,520
S5: You're looking you're looking for the guy right over there.

760
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:33,480
S8: Keep looking.

761
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,520
S5: And then one day the police showed up and then

762
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,560
S5: they weren't living there anymore. Just funny how that works.

763
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:40,560
S5: Neighbors are a funny.

764
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:41,399
S8: Thing, aren't they?

765
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:42,960
S2: Wow, a wide variety.

766
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:43,560
S8: Yeah.

767
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,960
S5: Uh, but, yeah, it it broke my heart. And, uh,

768
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,920
S5: you know, you hear a word like Ramadan and fasting

769
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,360
S5: for Ramadan, and you're like, what was going on there?

770
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,360
S5: And are they praying to the same God as ours?

771
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,279
S5: Just different Messiah. There's some that actually think that. So

772
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,879
S5: let's dispel some myths and get an expert in here

773
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,560
S5: that knows a little something about this, shall we, Ali?

774
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:05,880
S8: Yes.

775
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,920
S3: And how can we love our Muslim neighbors? Well, particularly

776
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,600
S3: during the season of Ramadan. That's coming up.

777
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,480
S1: Walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to Carl

778
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:18,080
S1: and crew.

779
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:19,040
S8: And we gotta.

780
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S5: Get someone in here that knows a little something about Ramadan.

781
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,080
S5: You don't even got anyone on your brain, Ali. Somebody

782
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,440
S5: that knows something. Not a guy that's read something. But

783
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,640
S5: he's kind of been in the hoop and war for that.

784
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,040
S5: Knows the culture. You got someone?

785
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,680
S3: How about Doctor Samuel Newman?

786
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,040
S8: That's the guy.

787
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S3: In studio with us this morning, Doctor Newman. This is

788
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S3: the month of Ramadan for our Muslim neighbors. Can you

789
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S3: first just explain what that is?

790
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,359
S12: Uh, Ali, this is a month of fasting anywhere all

791
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:52,240
S12: over the Muslim world. The Muslims fast from morning sunrise

792
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:57,799
S12: to dawn, and they fast anywhere between 29 to 30 days.

793
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,799
S12: They don't eat anything in between the timing, but they

794
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,640
S12: can eat a lot before the fast begins and certainly

795
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,879
S12: feast at the break of fast. So basically, the month

796
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,960
S12: of Ramadan is a month that the Muslim brothers and

797
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:17,040
S12: sisters will seek much more closeness to God. They desire

798
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,840
S12: God to speak to them or hear from him. So

799
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,080
S12: the spiritual appetite is very, very high in this month

800
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S12: of Ramadan for the Muslim world.

801
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S5: So I got a ton of questions, Samuel. But you

802
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,080
S5: were you were raised in the context of Ramadan. Sure.

803
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,799
S5: I mean, it was the dominant fasting because there were

804
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,600
S5: not a lot of evangelical Christians in Pakistan. What what

805
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,240
S5: was your first take on Ramadan as a kid growing up?

806
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,680
S12: You know, I mean, it became part of our life, basically.

807
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,440
S12: You know, you grow up as a kid and Ramadan

808
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,040
S12: is practiced. That means all the shop, the that sell

809
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,200
S12: any food to eat are closed. For example, like fruits

810
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,719
S12: on the on the cart. I mean, people sometimes had

811
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,000
S12: the had to cover it with the sheet and all

812
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,480
S12: that stuff. So basically, at least in Pakistan, you're not

813
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,560
S12: allowed to eat. All the restaurants are closed.

814
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:09,360
S5: During daylight.

815
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,040
S12: Hours, during daylight hours, and only the place to eat

816
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:18,440
S12: will be in the hospital cafeteria or the the railway

817
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:19,920
S12: station and all those things.

818
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,680
S5: Now, when the sun sets, it must be crazy.

819
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,480
S12: Oh, people, even before you know that early, early afternoon

820
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,520
S12: or early evening, they just go and buy sweets and

821
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,640
S12: and there are special delicacies that are made in the

822
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S12: month of Ramadan, uh, for, for Muslims. So they go

823
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,760
S12: and buy and then they just kind of sit around

824
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,200
S12: and see, look at the clock. The moment the time comes,

825
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,200
S12: they just eat and run or pray at home.

826
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S5: Yeah.

827
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,360
S3: What is the what is the Muslim hoping to accomplish

828
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:55,240
S3: through this? Through the fast? Is it just a self-discipline thing?

829
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,440
S12: It's a no. It is more than self-discipline. They believe

830
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,880
S12: that if when they fast, they will, you know, they

831
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,800
S12: will earn good deeds. So Allah will be pleased for

832
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,160
S12: these these good deeds and they will receive special blessings.

833
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,969
S5: So it's been said, Samuel, and I want your take

834
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S5: on this one. I remember I was young in Bible college,

835
00:44:16,610 --> 00:44:18,770
S5: and I heard a speaker come in and say this.

836
00:44:18,770 --> 00:44:24,049
S5: He said, every world, religion, Hinduism, Islam, materialism, because that

837
00:44:24,050 --> 00:44:27,009
S5: is a world religion. By the way, uh, all the

838
00:44:27,010 --> 00:44:31,570
S5: world religions have man at the center except Christ. Yeah.

839
00:44:31,610 --> 00:44:35,290
S5: And we're we're genuine disciples of Christ. Have Christ at

840
00:44:35,290 --> 00:44:38,090
S5: the center. They're not we're not at the center. Is

841
00:44:38,090 --> 00:44:42,690
S5: there something going on in Ramadan that kind of lends

842
00:44:42,690 --> 00:44:46,529
S5: itself to sharing the freedom that we have in the

843
00:44:46,530 --> 00:44:48,529
S5: Messiah named Jesus?

844
00:44:48,570 --> 00:44:50,969
S12: Yeah, I think I think we have we have tremendous

845
00:44:50,969 --> 00:44:54,610
S12: opportunities to share the love of Christ during the month

846
00:44:54,610 --> 00:44:56,850
S12: of Ramadan. But the first one will be the respect.

847
00:44:56,890 --> 00:44:59,810
S12: You know, instead of making fun of them that they

848
00:44:59,850 --> 00:45:02,450
S12: are kind of captivated. Oh, look at this. You know,

849
00:45:02,650 --> 00:45:04,850
S12: I mean, you know, I was telling just talking to

850
00:45:04,890 --> 00:45:08,210
S12: my students yesterday on campus in my classes that, you know,

851
00:45:08,489 --> 00:45:12,410
S12: Christians also have the month of lent, land, generally speaking.

852
00:45:12,450 --> 00:45:17,689
S12: And our Lord Jesus also fasted in 40 days before.

853
00:45:17,730 --> 00:45:21,890
S12: You know, the temptations came. So for us we though

854
00:45:21,930 --> 00:45:24,930
S12: we do not practice that many, many people don't practice that.

855
00:45:24,930 --> 00:45:27,210
S12: But there is a provision. But going back to the

856
00:45:27,210 --> 00:45:31,930
S12: person of Christ, we do not depend on these this

857
00:45:31,930 --> 00:45:39,129
S12: prescribed religious, uh, festivals. We actually focus on the Lord

858
00:45:39,130 --> 00:45:41,810
S12: on a daily basis. You know, we do not we

859
00:45:41,850 --> 00:45:44,890
S12: do not need a month of lent to really focus

860
00:45:44,890 --> 00:45:48,370
S12: on Christ. It is our daily routine, you know, and

861
00:45:48,370 --> 00:45:50,290
S12: sacrifice in many different ways.

862
00:45:50,290 --> 00:45:54,170
S3: So talk about some of the ways that we can bridge,

863
00:45:54,210 --> 00:45:57,930
S3: build or we can reach our Muslim neighbors, because Ramadan

864
00:45:57,930 --> 00:46:01,610
S3: is actually a key time to be able to share

865
00:46:01,610 --> 00:46:02,250
S3: the gospel.

866
00:46:02,290 --> 00:46:05,089
S12: Yes. And you know, Ali, I mean, back home in Pakistan,

867
00:46:05,090 --> 00:46:07,049
S12: we used to go to the break of fast all

868
00:46:07,050 --> 00:46:09,969
S12: the time. I mean, I we so let let me

869
00:46:10,090 --> 00:46:12,089
S12: clarify one thing. I think there's a lot of talk

870
00:46:12,130 --> 00:46:16,089
S12: among the North American missionaries and many Christians here. While

871
00:46:16,090 --> 00:46:18,170
S12: we should keep the month of fasting, there is a

872
00:46:18,170 --> 00:46:22,850
S12: big danger Ramadan. Okay, so we keep Ramadan in order

873
00:46:22,850 --> 00:46:25,810
S12: to be closer to our Muslim neighbors and all those things.

874
00:46:25,850 --> 00:46:29,009
S12: I defer on that. I think that if you really

875
00:46:29,010 --> 00:46:31,730
S12: want to fast, you should fast in the month of lent.

876
00:46:31,890 --> 00:46:33,650
S12: I mean, my father did you know he was a

877
00:46:33,650 --> 00:46:37,729
S12: former Muslim, and he basically kept the month of lent

878
00:46:37,730 --> 00:46:41,690
S12: very religiously, and my sister did. I didn't. Sorry. But

879
00:46:42,489 --> 00:46:46,570
S12: what we can do is, you know, there are average, like,

880
00:46:46,610 --> 00:46:49,489
S12: sweets or everything. You know, you take a plate, you know,

881
00:46:49,530 --> 00:46:52,330
S12: you buy the sweet from a muslim sweet shop and say,

882
00:46:52,370 --> 00:46:56,009
S12: you know, uh, we recognize that you're celebrating the month

883
00:46:56,010 --> 00:47:00,370
S12: of fasting and we just bought the sweets. Or secondly,

884
00:47:00,850 --> 00:47:03,850
S12: if you are invited at the break of fast, do

885
00:47:03,850 --> 00:47:06,770
S12: not hesitate to go to go, because I think that

886
00:47:06,770 --> 00:47:11,739
S12: that's a major celebration. You can show your willingness. Having

887
00:47:11,739 --> 00:47:14,340
S12: said that, there are a lot of Christian ministries and

888
00:47:14,780 --> 00:47:19,339
S12: locally and globally that provide the the iftaar or the

889
00:47:19,340 --> 00:47:22,180
S12: break of fast, you know. So they arrange well. We

890
00:47:22,219 --> 00:47:24,700
S12: cannot arrange that in our church, but we will support

891
00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:27,219
S12: it and we will come with it. So it's a

892
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S12: major festive, you know, mood in in the Muslim world

893
00:47:31,739 --> 00:47:36,540
S12: of interaction, even in the US, some churches are very keen.

894
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S12: Like last week, I took my class to the Downtown

895
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S12: Islamic Center. We were 35 and all of us were

896
00:47:42,540 --> 00:47:46,180
S12: invited for the after party or breaking of the fast.

897
00:47:46,180 --> 00:47:48,379
S12: And I know that some of my students will be

898
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S12: going back during the month of Ramadan sometime once to observe,

899
00:47:54,020 --> 00:47:57,380
S12: and they'll be warmly welcomed. So what a tremendous opportunity

900
00:47:57,380 --> 00:48:01,020
S12: that we have to interact and show our love. Hey,

901
00:48:01,060 --> 00:48:03,420
S12: you know we are here. We just want to celebrate

902
00:48:03,420 --> 00:48:03,939
S12: with you.

903
00:48:04,100 --> 00:48:10,260
S5: So if I gave you three categories, uh, Apologetics, lifestyle evangelism,

904
00:48:10,540 --> 00:48:16,260
S5: or visitations in dreams. Which of the three is God

905
00:48:16,260 --> 00:48:19,540
S5: most using to reach Muslim people to the glory of

906
00:48:19,540 --> 00:48:21,140
S5: God and the saving of souls?

907
00:48:21,180 --> 00:48:22,580
S12: I think all of these. Carl.

908
00:48:22,660 --> 00:48:24,100
S5: Oh, you're going to give me all three?

909
00:48:24,140 --> 00:48:26,980
S12: Yeah, but I think I think for me, the person

910
00:48:26,980 --> 00:48:29,739
S12: of Jesus is very important. I mean, all the dreams

911
00:48:29,739 --> 00:48:33,100
S12: and visions and apologetics and all those things, they lead

912
00:48:33,100 --> 00:48:36,060
S12: us to the person of Christ. And we should never

913
00:48:36,060 --> 00:48:40,460
S12: shy away from focusing on the person of Christ in

914
00:48:40,460 --> 00:48:43,180
S12: our sharing. We need to bring them. We need to

915
00:48:43,219 --> 00:48:47,739
S12: remind them that our forgiveness has already been done, happened.

916
00:48:48,219 --> 00:48:51,020
S12: They have to accept it. So I think in some

917
00:48:51,020 --> 00:48:53,820
S12: ways that is that is very, very crucial and critical

918
00:48:53,820 --> 00:48:54,739
S12: in our approach.

919
00:48:55,140 --> 00:48:57,739
S5: I read portions of the Quran, and then I felt

920
00:48:57,739 --> 00:49:00,219
S5: like the Spirit of God told me, nah, let's get

921
00:49:00,219 --> 00:49:03,299
S5: that out of the home. I know there's people that

922
00:49:03,300 --> 00:49:08,259
S5: are experts on this, and that's great. Um, but I

923
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S5: understand Jesus is referred to like 30 times or about

924
00:49:12,420 --> 00:49:15,060
S5: 33 times in the Quran. Could you speak to that?

925
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:18,460
S12: Yeah, but please remember that Isa or Jesus of Quran

926
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S12: is not Jesus of the Bible.

927
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S5: Even historically.

928
00:49:21,340 --> 00:49:25,379
S12: Nor even historically. G is Isa of Quran basically, yes,

929
00:49:25,420 --> 00:49:27,460
S12: of course he performed many miracles and they have a

930
00:49:27,460 --> 00:49:30,620
S12: high respect for it. But they do not believe on

931
00:49:30,620 --> 00:49:31,779
S12: the crucifixion.

932
00:49:32,140 --> 00:49:32,819
S5: No they don't.

933
00:49:33,100 --> 00:49:37,180
S12: An ascension. And they do not believe Jesus as the

934
00:49:37,180 --> 00:49:40,339
S12: Son of God. So that's why, for me, I do

935
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S12: not focus on the Quranic expression of Isa or Jesus.

936
00:49:45,340 --> 00:49:49,460
S12: I always and my father always used to say, tell me, Karl.

937
00:49:49,460 --> 00:49:53,300
S12: And he demonstrated that the sooner you bring a muslim

938
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S12: brother or sister to a reading of the gospels or

939
00:49:55,940 --> 00:49:58,620
S12: reading of the Bible, the better off you are. And

940
00:49:58,620 --> 00:50:02,500
S12: I think somehow we try, we try to to manufacture

941
00:50:02,500 --> 00:50:07,020
S12: methodologies and this and that. But my brother Bible is

942
00:50:07,020 --> 00:50:09,819
S12: the Word of God. Jesus is the Son of God.

943
00:50:09,820 --> 00:50:13,340
S12: Christ is the only hope for the world. Period. I

944
00:50:13,340 --> 00:50:17,620
S12: do not need to go to Koranic Jesus or Esau

945
00:50:17,620 --> 00:50:21,219
S12: to find and find what? Nothing. You know, I mean,

946
00:50:21,219 --> 00:50:21,700
S12: I respect.

947
00:50:21,739 --> 00:50:24,540
S5: You, find you, find a good teacher who you find.

948
00:50:24,580 --> 00:50:28,420
S12: Models and miracles and all those things. But please remember

949
00:50:28,660 --> 00:50:32,219
S12: that Quranic Jesus or Esau is not the Jesus of

950
00:50:32,219 --> 00:50:37,299
S12: the Bible. And that's the major difference. That's where we differ. Respectfully, right? Yes.

951
00:50:37,340 --> 00:50:40,460
S12: Otherwise why should otherwise? Who is Jesus for us? I mean,

952
00:50:40,460 --> 00:50:44,339
S12: if there's no difference between Quranic and Biblical Jesus, then

953
00:50:44,340 --> 00:50:46,820
S12: forget it. Maybe, you know. Yeah, there's no difference.

954
00:50:46,820 --> 00:50:49,419
S5: Then you're a good man, dude. We got a link

955
00:50:49,420 --> 00:50:50,980
S5: for something really cool here, Ali.

956
00:50:51,020 --> 00:50:54,020
S3: We do. Doctor Samuel Naaman. He is the vice president

957
00:50:54,020 --> 00:50:57,740
S3: of call of Hope, which reaches Muslims for Christ. You're

958
00:50:57,739 --> 00:50:59,339
S3: going to text Hope, but here's what you're going to get.

959
00:50:59,340 --> 00:51:02,260
S3: You're going to get information about call of Hope. But also, um,

960
00:51:02,300 --> 00:51:05,590
S3: the doctor Naaman shared with us a a guide to

961
00:51:05,590 --> 00:51:10,029
S3: understanding your Muslim neighbor Ramadan that breaks this down, explaining

962
00:51:10,030 --> 00:51:12,149
S3: what it is. What are some of the ways that

963
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:15,350
S3: you can use it as an evangelistic opportunity? I think

964
00:51:15,350 --> 00:51:18,270
S3: the understanding and the respect piece is really important.

965
00:51:18,469 --> 00:51:22,110
S12: Right. And Ali, in this documents, you will see the research. Actually,

966
00:51:22,430 --> 00:51:25,430
S12: I did not write it. I need to give credit. Correct? Correct.

967
00:51:25,469 --> 00:51:28,590
S12: I need to give credit to my dear Palestinian Christian

968
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S12: brother who was born and raised in Israel, Doctor Amir Shehadeh.

969
00:51:33,070 --> 00:51:35,910
S12: I requested him and actually this article is posted on

970
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S12: Lausanne's site to Understanding our Muslim Neighbor. And in this

971
00:51:39,350 --> 00:51:42,150
S12: article you will see the biblical references. You'll see the

972
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:46,509
S12: uniqueness of Christ, but you will also see his own research.

973
00:51:46,550 --> 00:51:50,150
S12: What leads people to Christ? Love it. So I was

974
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:53,310
S12: fascinated by this article and I thought, I'll just share

975
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S12: this with you.

976
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:55,350
S3: Yes. So we want to share it with you. Just

977
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S3: text hope to 800 555 7898. Text hope to 800

978
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S3: 555 7898.