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S2: Practical from the Bible. Tips and tricks to kill. Not tricks,

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S2: but tips and tricks. Tips and tricks to kill. Tips and.

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S3: All of my attempts to, you know, prop myself up

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S3: Even if other people were.

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S2: The gospel changes everything.

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S4: Freedom in Christ. Man, it's like that backpack of cement

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S1: Now, from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl

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S1: and crew. You know, this spiritual life. It's all about heart.

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S1: You know that.

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S2: What do you mean? It's all about heart. You gotta

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S5: You gotta, you gotta have heart, man. Love the Lord

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S5: with all your heart, soul, mind and strength. It's all heart.

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S5: It's so funny how we can deal with the external.

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S5: And we can understand the new birth miracle. We can

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S5: But it's. It's easy to forget that. It's so. Easy

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S5: it's all about art. Uh, I got a story for you.

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S5: Blaze is growing up. Can I tell you about blaze

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S5: You know, he's transitioning now, and that's part of this

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S5: And the way you do it is, you know, the

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S3: So we're ready if you got a story. 800 555

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S5: Yeah. That's. God's doing a fresh work in you. He

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S1: You can take him out of Alaska, but you can't

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S5: I gotta go back to blaze. I gotta take this

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S5: There's very little in between. Blah. Give us a call (800) 555-7898.

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S5: More, Nico. That's the point, bro. You got it, said Nico.

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S5: He cares man. All right, Ali. Well, maybe get in

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S5: There is nothing like a big old omelet. I love

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S2: browns on the side.

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00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,879
S3: Okay. Not in ketchup. Not in the omelet. Right?

442
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,840
S2: Well, ketchup. That's with the. That's for the omelet and

443
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,480
S2: for the hash brown. But yes. Not in it.

444
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,240
S3: Oh, I forgot one other ingredient. What is the best?

445
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,119
S3: Sun dried tomatoes. The best ingredient for an omelet. A

446
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,400
S3: little bit of a sleeper there, but sun dried tomatoes,

447
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,959
S3: if you. If you get it. I'm telling you, it

448
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,080
S3: really changes. It transforms the experience.

449
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,880
S2: Transforms the experience. You know, I'll throw in some, like,

450
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,120
S2: green onions or something just to make it healthy. You

451
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:01,560
S2: know what I'm saying?

452
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,919
S3: Oh, boy. Okay, Carl, what do you got?

453
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:09,520
S5: Uh. Nothing crazy. I love turkey sausage. Um. A lot.

454
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:15,040
S5: I like a good, really sharp cheddar. Not the not

455
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:19,440
S5: the mild stuff, not the medium, really sharp cheddar. And

456
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,840
S5: I'm a green onion raw onion guy just like you Allie.

457
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:24,479
S3: Okay.

458
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,159
S5: Love that. Pour on the onions. I don't care if

459
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,480
S5: I'm breathing fire on people the rest of the day.

460
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:30,520
S5: It's fine by me.

461
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,399
S2: Green onions are good. I don't think we do that.

462
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,359
S5: We gotta have some garlic seasoning in that bad boy. Oh,

463
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,760
S5: a little bit of garlic in that thing. Oh, yeah.

464
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:43,320
S5: And then topped with a good hot salsa or some

465
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:44,320
S5: frank sauce.

466
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,760
S3: Yeah, a good salsa. It really adds to it too.

467
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,120
S3: I'm with you on that. Not ketchup.

468
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,120
S5: Uh, no no no, no, that's good.

469
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,639
S3: Ketchup's a little bit basic. I want to I want you.

470
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:56,600
S5: To elevate your.

471
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:57,159
S3: Palate.

472
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,000
S2: I didn't say hot sauce was bad. I just said ketchup.

473
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,720
S5: Ketchup. It's okay, it's okay.

474
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,800
S2: Yeah. Thank you guys. And are you taking orders today? Because, man,

475
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:08,240
S2: I'm hungry.

476
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,120
S5: Man, I know this is killing me. Uh, you know you. Why?

477
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:12,280
S5: You like ketchup, right?

478
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:12,840
S2: Why?

479
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:17,000
S5: Because conventionally, ketchup is just loaded with sugar. So you're.

480
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:17,240
S2: Putting.

481
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:18,960
S5: A little dessert on your omelette.

482
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,240
S2: A little dessert? I don't know if we'd call ketchup dessert.

483
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,480
S3: What are you having for dessert today, ma'am? I'll have

484
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:27,840
S3: a ketchup. No.

485
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,439
S5: Are they putting dark chocolate in omelets these days?

486
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:32,840
S3: Really? I've not heard of that.

487
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,239
S5: Yeah, I'd heard about that dark chocolate. Crazy. Just a

488
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,840
S5: little bit sprinkled on the top.

489
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,760
S3: Oh, no. No. If I'm going to do sweet and savory,

490
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,720
S3: I want them separate, like on the same plate, but

491
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,120
S3: I don't want to combine them. So let me give

492
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,639
S3: the savory with the omelet and then, you know, a

493
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,240
S3: little bit of an English muffin with some jam, like

494
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,520
S3: some homemade jam. I'll take that. Yeah, maybe even one

495
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,760
S3: single pancake with a little bit of syrup.

496
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,240
S5: So you're wondering, well, what in the world does this

497
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,360
S5: have to do with taking your next step with Jesus?

498
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,639
S5: For crying out loud, guys.

499
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:07,119
S2: Well, first.

500
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,879
S5: Off, number one, you gotta eat. You gotta eat somewhere

501
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,600
S5: along the line. Even if you're an intermittent faster like myself,

502
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:18,840
S5: you gotta eat. Secondly, notice that there were certain ingredients

503
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,520
S5: that make an omelette really good for each person. Yeah,

504
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,520
S5: but what if there were some ingredients to have a

505
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,160
S5: dynamic marriage relationship? And all we've got to know is

506
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,840
S5: what those ingredients are.

507
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,840
S3: And my guess is they might be pretty universal. They

508
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:38,680
S3: probably aren't customized by person. They probably work one for all.

509
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,240
S12: Yeah. It gives you you might be thinking, yeah.

510
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,040
S5: Give me a little bit of that. Leave that out.

511
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,720
S5: Thank you very much. Oh, it's going to be great.

512
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,960
S5: Dan Seaborn is going to be with us. We're going

513
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,280
S5: to talk about what it is to be cooking up

514
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,200
S5: a marriage at home, and what are the ingredients that

515
00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,000
S5: you need to have a winning at home marriage.

516
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,679
S1: Your spiritual pit stop to keep you going in the race.

517
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,920
S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.

518
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,720
S5: Sometimes the only way for you to get hope is

519
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,080
S5: to just have someone lay it out there for you.

520
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,359
S5: And I do this from time to time, and I'm

521
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,720
S5: going to do it again. It was seven years into

522
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,320
S5: our marriage. Been married 38 years. This is Dynamite Girl.

523
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,760
S5: I call her my bride or babe or Jubes. But

524
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,520
S5: her name is Janine. There you go. And 38 years,

525
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,200
S5: but seven years in, guys, we hit a brutal spot

526
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,760
S5: and it was building for her. And I found out

527
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,240
S5: in one fell swoop when my bride looked at me

528
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:43,120
S5: one Saturday morning, knee deep in successful ministry. And everybody

529
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,360
S5: would think, everything's looking great. And she looked at me

530
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,960
S5: and she said, and this is the result of years

531
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,160
S5: of not resolving issues and just kind of letting them

532
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,320
S5: go forward. She said, I'm scared to death. And I

533
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,120
S5: see her chin quivering and I'm like, what? Has someone died?

534
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,280
S5: She said, I am scared because I don't love you anymore.

535
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,160
S5: She says, I'm going to hang in here with you.

536
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:14,200
S5: And I felt a heap of shame, pain, anger cropped

537
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,800
S5: up in me and, um, God, by his grace, allowed

538
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,840
S5: me to come face to face with him, looking in

539
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,680
S5: a mirror over our sink vanity in our restroom. And

540
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,640
S5: it was a Y in the road and God in

541
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:31,760
S5: his mercy showed me you're not loving your bride as

542
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,040
S5: Christ loves the church, young man, and you gotta turn

543
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,240
S5: this around. It was a long walk out of Georgia,

544
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,280
S5: so to speak, but it was a beautiful Y on

545
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:46,880
S5: the road for me. It created, um, a flywheel effect

546
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,760
S5: in our marriage that gives us great friendship today. There's

547
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,640
S5: a lot of moving parts in dynamic marriages. We got

548
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:59,880
S5: Dan Seaborn in here right now. It's almost true, isn't it, Dan,

549
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,719
S5: that it's these crisis moments that can really cause some

550
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,920
S5: shock and awe that can get us really honest with God.

551
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,000
S5: You know what I mean, bro?

552
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,200
S13: Oh, yeah, I would say most of us who are listening,

553
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,600
S13: including me right now, uh, relate, understand, been through it.

554
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,480
S13: In fact, for me, Carl, that happened, um, four years ago.

555
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,200
S13: Four years ago. I'm 65 this year. I've been married

556
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,520
S13: 40 plus years and four years ago. Similar moment to yours.

557
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,640
S13: My wife said to me, um, I was just hoping

558
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,320
S13: we would finish peaceful, and I was. I was about

559
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,240
S13: to get on a plane, go somewhere and speak. That's

560
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,240
S13: what I do. I travel across the world and preach.

561
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,200
S13: And she just said, I was hoping to finish my

562
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,400
S13: life with you peaceful. And I did the same thing

563
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,840
S13: you did. I looked at her. She wasn't. Her lip

564
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,880
S13: was quivering. She was just straight up crying. And I

565
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,200
S13: was like, wait, wait, what? You're not peaceful? And she goes, no,

566
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,280
S13: I'm not. And I'm like, why? She said, I'll just

567
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,520
S13: never be enough for you. And I went, wow. And

568
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,680
S13: so I got on the plane, went to do the gig,

569
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,600
S13: all the speaking. But the whole time what what hit

570
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,680
S13: me was, you know, where I'm at in life, I'm

571
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,880
S13: in the last third. And I was just like, wow,

572
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,320
S13: what if something happened to me on this plane and

573
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,960
S13: everybody's coming to the funeral or coming to the wherever

574
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,320
S13: it is I'm at, you know, I'm passed away and

575
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,400
S13: they're going, oh, your husband, he was so wonderful. He

576
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,640
S13: was this. He was that. My own wife is sitting

577
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,680
S13: there going, well, I'm glad he was that for you,

578
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,600
S13: but he wasn't for me. And it it hit me

579
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,520
S13: just like you. It's like, wow, what am I doing?

580
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,200
S13: If am I really living what I say? I believe

581
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,240
S13: and we can talk about it some. But basically that

582
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,720
S13: sent me on a deep journey of knowing God deeper

583
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:39,520
S13: in my marriage.

584
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,600
S3: Dan Seaborn, our guest right now, he is the founder

585
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,360
S3: of Winning at Home. He also serves as the leader

586
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,040
S3: for the Marriage and Family Division of the American Association

587
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,520
S3: of Christian Counselors. He's the author of 16 books. So

588
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,600
S3: take us back what you get off, you get off

589
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,400
S3: the plane and you've been mulling on this all weekend

590
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,120
S3: as you're trying to teach on marriage and family. What

591
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:02,760
S3: do you do?

592
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,240
S13: Well, I took longer than that. I really let that

593
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,360
S13: settle in. Me, I'm normally a very reactive person. It's

594
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,960
S13: just who I am. I react and in this case,

595
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,520
S13: I have this, um, little principle. I practice in my

596
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,040
S13: life of listening to God. And then in my listening time,

597
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,120
S13: I just felt like he kept saying to me, you

598
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,160
S13: be quiet, just be quiet. I'll show you the time.

599
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,120
S13: Right now. You just let it sink in. What your

600
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,640
S13: wife said. So it was probably it was probably two

601
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,360
S13: weeks later that I said to her, okay, babe, what

602
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,280
S13: did you mean by that? Explain to me when you said,

603
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,800
S13: we're not peaceful. Tell me what you mean. And I

604
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,200
S13: let her talk. I let her share everything she felt.

605
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,720
S13: And I remember I said to her, well, we're going

606
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,560
S13: to change that. And the Lord laid a verse on

607
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,440
S13: my heart. It's become my favorite marriage verse in the Bible.

608
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,320
S13: It's not one you are expecting. Okay? The Lord gave

609
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,200
S13: me a verse for my life that helped me put

610
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,880
S13: all this in perspective. And the verse is actually Matthew

611
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:07,320
S13: 633 seek first his kingdom and his righteousness. Then all

612
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,440
S13: the other stuff will be added to you and I,

613
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,640
S13: I live, I live in Grand Rapids, Michigan and this

614
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:16,360
S13: West Michigan area here and here. I would tell you,

615
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,600
S13: I believe in the Christian church and I believe this

616
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:24,360
S13: is across the nation, frankly. We we worship marriage itself,

617
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,080
S13: and we've almost put it above our relationship with Christ.

618
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,840
S13: Like I would tell you, we try to have this,

619
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,880
S13: what we call soul mate relationship. By the way, soul

620
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,120
S13: mate is not a biblical word. That's a that's a

621
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,160
S13: man made word. God calls us helpmates. And God just

622
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,000
S13: showed me. You're not being a helpmate to Jane. You

623
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,720
S13: are doing ministry. You're killing it for the kingdom. Yep.

624
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,800
S13: But you are. You are not doing what you preach.

625
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,280
S13: You are not seeking me first and fully honoring me

626
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,280
S13: in this marriage relationship. And I'm Jane. If she was here,

627
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,200
S13: she would say, Dan, you weren't a bad husband. And

628
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,800
S13: that's not what it's about. I wasn't a bad husband.

629
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:07,120
S13: I just was not accomplishing the things that I preach

630
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,080
S13: about and teach about in my relationship with her. I

631
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,040
S13: was not making her feel valued. I was not making

632
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,959
S13: her feel like she was good enough the way God

633
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,799
S13: made her. I love to point out things she could

634
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,240
S13: work on, try to change this, fix that. And God

635
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,920
S13: just showed me, I want you to get your hands

636
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,160
S13: off trying to fix her the way you think she

637
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,880
S13: needs to be, and start loving her for the way

638
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,359
S13: I made her to be. What would happen, Dan, if

639
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,920
S13: you actually loved the things about her that sometimes drive

640
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,319
S13: you a little crazy? What if you started celebrating that

641
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,720
S13: I made her that way on purpose so you could

642
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,120
S13: mature as a man?

643
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,319
S5: Dan Seaborn, a guest right now, this is so vulnerable

644
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,440
S5: and honest. So let's let's just cut to the chase

645
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:56,319
S5: on this from your perspective. And I'm with you 100%.

646
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,440
S5: How many times do we talk about this around here, Ali?

647
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,120
S5: That this rising early in the morning. Get your life

648
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,479
S5: oriented with God, getting that footing first. The trickle down

649
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,640
S5: is huge. How does seeking first the kingdom of God?

650
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,480
S5: Because here's what happens, Dan, that's become mumbo jumbo in

651
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,120
S5: the average evangelical mind.

652
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,000
S13: So God laid on my heart a simple little things.

653
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,399
S13: I said to him, okay, Lord, show me what that

654
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,440
S13: looks like because I'm a I'm a practical guy. I

655
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,400
S13: need to know what it looks like on a day

656
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,399
S13: to day basis. And here was the first thing he

657
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,440
S13: showed me. I actually was walking the beach in Florida

658
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,680
S13: praying about this. We went down there for a week.

659
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,400
S13: I'm walking the beach. She's reading a book, sitting in

660
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,480
S13: the little chair on the beach, and I'm walking up

661
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,239
S13: and down the beach going, Lord, show me how I

662
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,719
S13: actually change this. And here was the first thing he

663
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,760
S13: laid on my heart. Get a chair. Set it between you. So,

664
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,960
S13: Jane and I, next time we're having a disagreement or

665
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,520
S13: talking through something. Get a chair and sit it between

666
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,960
S13: us and pretend I'm sitting in it. So I've got

667
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,480
S13: this chair that I will grab when Jane and I

668
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,839
S13: have conversations now, and I'll sit it between us and

669
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,160
S13: I'll say, okay, Jane, I want to hear what you

670
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,800
S13: think and what you have to say. And something changed

671
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,120
S13: inside me when you when you put Jesus and put

672
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,480
S13: him in the room with you, like you're having a conversation,

673
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,280
S13: you don't raise your voice. You listen more intently. You

674
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,839
S13: pay attention to what your wife is saying. And I

675
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,560
S13: would tell you, for one of the first times in

676
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,480
S13: my life when we would talk about something, I actually

677
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,440
S13: listened to her point of view without my preparing, my defense,

678
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,319
S13: without telling her what I think. I just listened to

679
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,640
S13: her because God had laid on my heart. Listen to her,

680
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,319
S13: listen to what she says, because I actually created her

681
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,560
S13: to help you in some of the spots in your

682
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,040
S13: life you can't see. So just listen to her. Yeah,

683
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,200
S13: I started listening, guys. I started listening and I was

684
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,279
S13: amazed she would say something. And if I laid down

685
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,560
S13: my agenda and listened to to her. I was like, wow,

686
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,600
S13: that makes a lot of sense. And I would I

687
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,760
S13: would look at her and go, boy, Jane, I've never

688
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,080
S13: really like, taken time to listen to your point of

689
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,920
S13: view on these things. And I love it. We're going

690
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,279
S13: to do it that way. And she would look at

691
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:01,360
S13: me like, what do you mean? We're going to do

692
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,239
S13: it my way? I said, I just like it. It's

693
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,800
S13: a great idea. She's like, where have you come from?

694
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,239
S13: Who are you? And that was a practical way I

695
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,080
S13: began to put what God would want me to see

696
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,800
S13: in Jane above what I would like to see in Jane.

697
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,000
S13: And so if I see her that way, then I

698
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,600
S13: want to honor her better.

699
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,280
S3: Dan Seaborn, our guest right now, he is the founder

700
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,680
S3: of Winning at Home, professional marriage and family expert. Coming up,

701
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,800
S3: let's talk about what are those ingredients to stay happily married.

702
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,520
S3: Not just married, but happily married because there is a difference.

703
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,080
S3: More with Dan Seaborn coming up.

704
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,520
S1: He's a sports fanatic with a stat for anything you

705
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,760
S1: can think of. Young Thunder is in the crew. It's

706
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,040
S1: curling crew on Moody Radio.

707
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,959
S5: If you like vulnerability, you're at the right spot here

708
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:50,560
S5: this morning.

709
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:51,240
S8: Right, Allie?

710
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,960
S3: Dan Seaborn, our guest right now. You talked a little

711
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,360
S3: bit about your own wife, Jane, and how she felt

712
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,040
S3: like you weren't really listening to her. You weren't really

713
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,960
S3: living out the things that you were preaching in the

714
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,560
S3: context of your marriage. Have you seen God work in

715
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,760
S3: these last four years, as you've been on this journey

716
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,360
S3: to listen, to, not try to fix?

717
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,600
S13: I want to just say, and I'm not saying this

718
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,400
S13: because we're on the radio, or because you guys are

719
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,439
S13: asking me the question, if you if you could come

720
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,880
S13: into our house and see the difference in our marriage

721
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:27,240
S13: from four years ago today, the amount of peace that's

722
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,320
S13: in fact, I said to my wife, we were riding yesterday.

723
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,640
S13: I said, babe, when's the last time we even had

724
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,919
S13: an argument? And she's like, I don't know. It just

725
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,960
S13: doesn't come to my mind. And I said to her,

726
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,560
S13: isn't it amazing how God has? It's more me, not her.

727
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:46,160
S13: She is a peacemaker by trade and I found myself going, wow,

728
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,680
S13: I wish I would have done this years ago. This

729
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,080
S13: simple little step of going, I'm going to slow down,

730
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,240
S13: stop trying to make my point and see life more

731
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,399
S13: from God's view and my wife's view. And it has

732
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,840
S13: really changed things in our home. We have a home

733
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,200
S13: of incredible peace. I even asked her the question. I

734
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,280
S13: said to her, babe, if I pass away, if something

735
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,600
S13: happens to me, will you be able to say we

736
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,280
S13: finished peaceful? And she looked right at me and she said,

737
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,040
S13: I will, I will, and I'm thankful to the Lord

738
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:13,640
S13: for that.

739
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,719
S5: Alright. Uh, so we were talking early this morning. What

740
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,560
S5: do you like in your omelet? And everybody's got a

741
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,719
S5: different opinion on what they like in their omelet. And

742
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,760
S5: now I want to turn this around because you've actually

743
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,279
S5: written on this. I don't want to cover all nine,

744
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,680
S5: but I want to get a couple the ingredients of,

745
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,879
S5: of cooking up a marriage that's really going to be

746
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:37,680
S5: mutually beneficial and God glorifying. And I mean, just dynamite,

747
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,640
S5: not perfect, but dynamite. What are a couple of these

748
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,120
S5: key ingredients here, Dan?

749
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,719
S13: Well, one of them is real obvious that follows. What

750
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,600
S13: we've been talking about here today is just having a

751
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,600
S13: cherishing attitude toward your spouse. So you mentioned it earlier, Karl.

752
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,799
S13: You know, after seven years of marriage, you pick it

753
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,799
S13: ten years, 20, whatever you pick one year, you can

754
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,239
S13: start to lose that cherishing effect. You know, when you're

755
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,400
S13: first dating man, you're going out of your way to

756
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,560
S13: make sure you cherish them, care for them. Over time,

757
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,560
S13: you lose that. And watch this. I noticed about me

758
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,880
S13: like I'm a Michael Jordan collector, so I collect a

759
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,720
S13: lot of memorabilia, stuff of his, etc. I just love it.

760
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,040
S13: And so I have this ball he signed. Guess what

761
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,360
S13: I do with that ball? I cherish that ball so

762
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,600
S13: much that I have this acrylic case that I of course,

763
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,680
S13: you know, I keep it really high up on a

764
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,040
S13: shelf because. Why? I don't want you to touch it,

765
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,439
S13: I cherish it, it's special to me. And I talk

766
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:37,080
S13: about how we are really good at cherishing our stuff

767
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,960
S13: and then our spouse. We just dribble them around. We

768
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,040
S13: don't put them in any kind of a protective case

769
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,239
S13: or anything else. We just say, ah, they'll be fine. It'll. Yeah,

770
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,479
S13: I know my words hurt you, but it's okay. You'll

771
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,239
S13: be fine. Hey, you come grab my Michael Jordan ball

772
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,000
S13: and you dribble it on the asphalt. I'm coming after you.

773
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,720
S13: And what if I had that same cherish and attitude

774
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,319
S13: for my marriage where I go? No, no, no, I'm

775
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,239
S13: not going to let anything come in here and harm

776
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,240
S13: this marriage relationship. I'm going to put protection around it.

777
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,759
S13: That's a good way to evaluate. Yeah. How am I

778
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,520
S13: doing here? Do I really have cherishing attitude toward my spouse?

779
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,839
S3: The book is called The Necessary nine How to Stay

780
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,239
S3: Happily Married for life. It was authored by Dan Seaborn,

781
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,280
S3: co-authored by Peter Newhouse. Give us another one of the nine.

782
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,080
S13: Um, for me, tying right to everything we've said today

783
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,560
S13: is home. Harmony. Um, I can give you a really

784
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:34,600
S13: good way to test something in your marriage relationship. Oh, boy. Okay,

785
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,719
S13: so here we go. At the end of the day.

786
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,000
S13: At the end of the day, when you arrive home,

787
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,680
S13: let's just say you have a garage door. If you don't,

788
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,799
S13: then it's the door opening, but your spouse is in

789
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,800
S13: the house, okay? Your spouse is in the house doing dinner,

790
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,840
S13: doing whatever they're doing, getting ready. They hear the garage

791
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,600
S13: door coming up and they know it's you. Okay? They're

792
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,719
S13: coming in the back door. Garage door is their first thought.

793
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:59,040
S13: Are their home are shoot. They made it. You know,

794
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,760
S13: I mean, I don't know somewhere in the middle I hope.

795
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:02,360
S5: Yeah.

796
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,799
S13: What is the what is their first thought. Because if

797
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,720
S13: you have home harmony then your spouse is looking so

798
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,000
S13: forward to you walking in that door. They're like, hey,

799
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,239
S13: my partner's here, am I, my helpmate is here. My what?

800
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,080
S13: I'm developing and creating to be a soul mate is here.

801
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,920
S13: If you bring that kind of joy into your home,

802
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,160
S13: then I'm just telling you it's a game changer.

803
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,759
S5: I love this Dan Seaborn, our guest right now. Oh

804
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,440
S5: my goodness. There's so much where this comes from. That's

805
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,600
S5: just two of the nine ingredients to cook up a marriage.

806
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,319
S5: That's really going to be dynamic and a witness for

807
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,040
S5: the world around us here. But Allie's been doing some

808
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,040
S5: hunting around, and she's got a way for you to

809
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,640
S5: get into his sight. You could find the book there

810
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,000
S5: for sure, but we got a resource today, don't we, Allie?

811
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:45,239
S8: Yeah.

812
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:50,680
S3: Just text winning to 800 555 7898. Text winning to

813
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,719
S3: 800 555 7898. You're going to get a link to

814
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,480
S3: his website and specifically a blog that he's written on

815
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:04,480
S3: red flags in marriage. Just text winning to 800 555 7898.

816
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,040
S1: Walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to Carl

817
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:09,640
S1: and crew.

818
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,600
S5: It's a sobering thing when you get statistics that deal

819
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:20,880
S5: with people's lives, livelihoods, and even the fallout from deep persecution.

820
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,120
S5: No matter where people are in the world, it hits you,

821
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:24,440
S5: doesn't it? Young Thunder.

822
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,440
S2: It really does. Well, because when we're talking about persecution,

823
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,120
S2: this is our family. You know, it's it's not like.

824
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,279
S2: Not like, you know, people. I, you know, of course,

825
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,799
S2: I've never seen them. I've never met them. But, you know,

826
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,480
S2: it's that's my brother, that's my sister. And they're out

827
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,480
S2: there being hurt and and tortured and persecuted for their faith.

828
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,960
S2: And and I'm here. That's hard.

829
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,400
S5: It's hard, it's hard. And it's going to be tough,

830
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,960
S5: I'm sure. But I want you to hang on. Brian

831
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,640
S5: Orme is going to be stepping in here. He's with

832
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,680
S5: an organization that is getting good data points that are

833
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,360
S5: quite heartbreaking. But there's hope in the middle of it all.

834
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:02,960
S5: Hang on.

835
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,840
S1: Standing on the rock each and every day you're listening

836
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,080
S1: to Carl and crew.

837
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,560
S5: We hear rumor and we get some stats, but we

838
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,799
S5: still want to know what is happening to the church. Now,

839
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,879
S5: one of the things we understand and talk a lot

840
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:23,600
S5: about around here is that the presence of persecution doesn't

841
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,759
S5: seem to be quelling the power of the gospel going out.

842
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,320
S5: It seems to be quite the opposite.

843
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:29,880
S8: But we want to look at really.

844
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,439
S3: What's going on around the world, because we know that

845
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,480
S3: you are not going to turn on your network news

846
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,200
S3: and be able to hear this, but we have a

847
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,759
S3: guest joining us this morning. His name is Brian Orme.

848
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,359
S3: He's the chief executive officer of Global Christian Relief. And

849
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,600
S3: this is a mission that's focused on creating a movement

850
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,480
S3: of prayer and support for persecuted Christians worldwide. Brian, thank

851
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,400
S3: you for joining us this morning. Just out this red

852
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,160
S3: list that unveils the top countries for Christian persecution. Tell

853
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,960
S3: us what's behind this list.

854
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,239
S14: The red list is a unique list, and it's basically

855
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,600
S14: an evidence based report that's pulling data from journalists and

856
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,000
S14: media sites across the world to document real incidents that

857
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,680
S14: are happening against our persecuted family across the world today.

858
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,120
S14: These are events that are shaping the global church, and

859
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,080
S14: then we're pulling those in together with researchers to give

860
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,719
S14: a broad scope of what's trending and what's happening, and

861
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,560
S14: what Christians need to know about what is happening to

862
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,280
S14: the global church around the world and how it impacts

863
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:27,000
S14: our faith.

864
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,320
S5: Yeah. Love it. Brian, Oram again is our guest right now. Brian,

865
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,359
S5: I want to dive into China because I want to

866
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,000
S5: get your perspective on this. I have I've heard from

867
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,759
S5: a couple of friends that say, well, in Beijing, there's

868
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,400
S5: a couple above the ground churches. And then I found

869
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,600
S5: out that they're above the ground, but they're still under

870
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:51,000
S5: the fist of that dictatorship, and they're very constrained in

871
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,200
S5: what they can say about the real gospel. What is

872
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:59,000
S5: really going on in China? Are there mass incarcerations? Is

873
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,720
S5: there persecution? And at what level is it?

874
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,600
S14: Yeah, China is a hotbed right now, Karl. And I

875
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,719
S14: think it's really important to know the background here, like

876
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,640
S14: you said, is there are many small underground churches that

877
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,160
S14: have grown and expanded over the last decade. And like

878
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:20,319
S14: Zion Church early reign, these churches refuse to kind of

879
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,280
S14: get swayed to the government to report themselves and basically

880
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,880
S14: become it's what's called a three self church where you

881
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:30,280
S14: become a government controlled church, but they control the messaging.

882
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,520
S14: Who you can teach. What you can teach. It's not

883
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,400
S14: the clear gospel. And so these underground churches that continue

884
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,800
S14: to grow a number of years ago were again arrested,

885
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,399
S14: attacked physically, and so many of them were taken in.

886
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,239
S14: The physical churches were shut down. They were forced to

887
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,520
S14: go further underground. And then recently, the Chinese government has

888
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:55,360
S14: has increased the legal requirements and the laws, basically trying

889
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,640
S14: to curb any online evangelism, online teaching, online preaching. And

890
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,120
S14: so many of these churches, especially like Zion Church, I

891
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,600
S14: spoke with Pastor Sean Long there as well to these

892
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,400
S14: churches have exploded across hundreds of locations, and they do

893
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,880
S14: it mainly online. And now this was China's attempt to

894
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,759
S14: shut down not just physical presence of churches, but also

895
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,960
S14: the internet, the intangible presence of these churches as well, too.

896
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,560
S14: But it's definitely it's increasing. And we have, again, Christians

897
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,240
S14: just recently who've been 20 that were abducted or Arrested

898
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,640
S14: and put in prison and are still waiting for any

899
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,040
S14: sentencing or any advocacy on their end.

900
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:30,680
S8: We've got Brian.

901
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,680
S3: Orme with us right now, Global Christian Relief. You have

902
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,600
S3: broken this red list down into different categories. Talk about

903
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,520
S3: some of the countries that that appear in these top

904
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,640
S3: five in multiple categories, looking at different UN reports of

905
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:49,800
S3: documented violence, killings, arrests, displacement. Talk about what the numbers show.

906
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,920
S14: Yeah. So I would say Nigeria has to be on

907
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,880
S14: the forefront of this list. Their top in the killings.

908
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,880
S14: It's the most dangerous place in the world to to

909
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,560
S14: be a Christian today. They're also, I mean in the

910
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:05,040
S14: list for um, abductions and also forced displacement. There's so

911
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,920
S14: much that's happening to our Christian family in Nigeria today.

912
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,239
S14: And and again, it's important also to understand Nigeria is

913
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,279
S14: one of the largest Christian populations in the world. So

914
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,919
S14: what happens there shapes the global church. But it's also

915
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,759
S14: one of the largest Muslim populations and it's split down

916
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,640
S14: the center, the north being mainly Islamic, the south being

917
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,399
S14: mainly Christian. And that middle belt. We have lots of

918
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,120
S14: contention as well. But what's happening there for the forceful

919
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,920
S14: attacks and displacement and abductions of Christians is unimaginable. And

920
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,120
S14: I've been able to sit with believers like a story

921
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,040
S14: from Suzanne that I've sat with a beautiful, wonderful elderly

922
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,279
S14: lady who saw her father who was shot in front

923
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,280
S14: of her. And Boko Haram was one of the Islamic

924
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,000
S14: groups that attacked her village and held a gun to

925
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,520
S14: her head, told her to deny Jesus. She refused to

926
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,919
S14: do it, told her to come with them and she

927
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,879
S14: refused and basically had a standstill. And they eventually shot her,

928
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,320
S14: which was tragic, terrible. She fell and basically the villagers

929
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,800
S14: came to pick up. Later, her and her father and

930
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,240
S14: Suzanne woke up. She had a thorn on the side

931
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,719
S14: that aroused her. And she was she didn't know what

932
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,080
S14: was going on and she was rushed to the hospital.

933
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,600
S14: She lost her eyesight where the bullet went in, but

934
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,160
S14: she survived. And today she is one of those incredible

935
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,719
S14: women who has chosen to forgive her father's killers and

936
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,799
S14: her attackers, and still has the joy of Christ in her,

937
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,560
S14: but has gone through so much loss and so much tragedy,

938
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,800
S14: so much displacement because of her faith in Jesus.

939
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,760
S5: Uh, Brian, a shocker for me on this read list,

940
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,279
S5: and we're going to have a link for this boom

941
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,239
S5: crew in just a moment. Was Mexico were you surprised

942
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:38,120
S5: by this one?

943
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,279
S3: Allie I was, I was this is not what you

944
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:42,040
S3: would have expected.

945
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,920
S5: Yeah. What's going on in Mexico that makes it hit

946
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,160
S5: the list here, Brian.

947
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,319
S14: Yeah. It's a really interesting combination in Mexico because you

948
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,560
S14: have a really predominant Catholic country, but you have a

949
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,600
S14: lot of rural places where cartels and organized crime and

950
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,680
S14: corruption is just, you know, just basically covers the whole

951
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,560
S14: territory in these rural areas. And when you have pastors

952
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,359
S14: and Christian leaders who are giving drug prevention talks, or

953
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,960
S14: they're giving talks on morality that pull people away from

954
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,440
S14: the cartels and away from what's happening there, they become

955
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:18,360
S14: enemies of these, these, these corrupted crime organizations and are also,

956
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,799
S14: you know, first to be attacked, abducted and oftentimes killed

957
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,040
S14: as well too. But we see this again happening in

958
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,600
S14: more of these rural places across Mexico today. And it's devastating.

959
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,680
S14: And talking to believers there and listening to their stories,

960
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,839
S14: it's again, it's just one of those things where there

961
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,359
S14: needs to be so much more prayer and advocacy and

962
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,080
S14: even the fact that many of these places, they need Bibles,

963
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,719
S14: like we're seeing Bible distribution go through there and God

964
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,440
S14: is doing a great work, but it's definitely in opposition.

965
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:47,480
S3: Brian, what is Christian Relief doing to to partner with

966
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,319
S3: these missionaries, these pastors, these people in these places that

967
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,160
S3: are so incredibly dangerous?

968
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,120
S14: Yeah, Ali, our goal is to empower the church in

969
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,040
S14: these locations to be strong so they can be a

970
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,680
S14: light for Christ. So we're it looks different across many

971
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:04,520
S14: areas in Nigeria. It's actually going in to help Christian

972
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:09,000
S14: communities rebuild their churches, rebuild their homes, um, do trauma counseling,

973
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,399
S14: especially for those who have gone through incredible violence in

974
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,640
S14: other places. Um, it could be, again, like distributing Bibles

975
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,200
S14: in places like Mexico and others, where the Bibles are

976
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,759
S14: hard to get to. And poverty is so high and

977
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,000
S14: the literacy rate is so low. Might be audio Bibles,

978
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,840
S14: things like that. Also advocating for those who are arrested

979
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,520
S14: and imprisoned. Um, and also helping people relocate, like in

980
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,200
S14: places like India is meeting with families and pastors who've

981
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,160
S14: been kicked out of their communities, left with nothing. Had

982
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,680
S14: to start over from from zero. And they're just again

983
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,719
S14: looking for the help of the global church. And we're

984
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,240
S14: standing with them to provide for them while they can

985
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,120
S14: figure out what the next step is for their lives.

986
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,600
S14: And we're also doing, at times security evacuations for people

987
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,000
S14: where especially across the Middle East, where things might be

988
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,200
S14: too sensitive for them and they're in extreme danger, we

989
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,120
S14: might evacuate a pastor and his family out.

990
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,040
S5: Brian, I want to thank you for doing this work.

991
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,120
S5: It's it must be hard for you to see these

992
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,040
S5: data points come back, isn't it, bro?

993
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,000
S14: It is. It is really hard. And I would just

994
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,359
S14: say that even again, harder is sitting with people who've

995
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,520
S14: lost so much. I mean, and again, in places like Nigeria,

996
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,359
S14: to talk to widows who've lost their husbands, who've been

997
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,799
S14: abducted and been sex slaves for Boko Haram, those are

998
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,160
S14: just it's just unimaginable, the wickedness that goes through. But

999
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,000
S14: I would say that the flip of that is still

1000
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,400
S14: like this presence of hope that shows you what God

1001
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,200
S14: is doing in the midst of these attacks. And the

1002
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,080
S14: violence shows the gospel so vividly, so brightly, where you see, like,

1003
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,160
S14: what would I often ask myself, what would I do

1004
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,720
S14: if I was attacked or if I lost family members?

1005
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,000
S14: If I was put under pressure and lost everything? Would

1006
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,239
S14: I stand firm in the hope of Christ? And when

1007
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,279
S14: you sit with these believers and hear their stories, the

1008
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,200
S14: resounding yes! It's such an encouragement to our faith.

1009
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,520
S3: If you want more on this report, text relief to

1010
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:05,120
S3: 805 55 7898. Just text that one word relief to

1011
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:10,240
S3: 805 55, 7898. I hope you're enjoying today's episode. Sorry

1012
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,040
S3: to interrupt, but I want to make sure you know

1013
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,270
S3: that Carl and crew airs live weekday mornings from 5

1014
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:18,200
S3: to 9 Central time. Go to Carlin Crew org for

1015
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,280
S3: ways to listen in your area. Okay, back to the show.

1016
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:26,360
S1: A basketball mom who's mastered the dad joke. Ali is

1017
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,040
S1: in the crew. It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

1018
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,960
S5: We are rolling here today. Boom! Crew. Oh. Guess what? Whoa!

1019
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,319
S5: Slow the train. We got something really special at the

1020
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:37,680
S5: bottom of the hour right now.

1021
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,720
S1: Making herself laugh no matter who joins her. It's time

1022
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,800
S1: for Ali. Thinks it's funny.

1023
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:45,840
S11: Yes.

1024
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:47,200
S3: Carl.

1025
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:48,719
S5: I love this.

1026
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:50,240
S3: Do you?

1027
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,560
S5: I do. I love this.

1028
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:53,480
S3: Why?

1029
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,120
S5: Because they're good.

1030
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:56,760
S11: They're bad. Thinks it's funny.

1031
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:01,400
S3: Okay. Carl's usually the. He's usually the one most prone

1032
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,960
S3: to laugh at the jokes. He maybe he's further into

1033
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,399
S3: dad hood. That must be it.

1034
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:05,840
S2: Yeah.

1035
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:06,279
S11: That's fair.

1036
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:07,879
S3: Jonathan's still a newbie in the dad.

1037
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:09,840
S11: I find them getting funnier. Yeah, he's.

1038
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,120
S5: Loosening up the older he gets. Week by week, it's

1039
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,879
S5: getting better for him. Super is a lost cause and

1040
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,560
S5: she she loves it so much she took today off.

1041
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:23,080
S3: I know she's like Wednesday. Yeah I'm out, I'm out.

1042
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:24,880
S5: She's getting some R&R.

1043
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,640
S3: Anyone been to any weddings as of late? And it's

1044
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,680
S3: not exactly wedding season here in the Midwest. Most people.

1045
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:31,839
S5: Prefer to.

1046
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,759
S3: Not get married in subzero temperatures, but.

1047
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,240
S5: Some do. Christmas, I guess. But no, I haven't.

1048
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,480
S3: I haven't been to any weddings. You notice that brides

1049
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,399
S3: are often crying at their wedding, like just, you know,

1050
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,359
S3: little handkerchief here and there, lots of tears. Why do

1051
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,239
S3: you think that is? Why are brides always crying at

1052
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,840
S3: their wedding? There's an obvious answer. But then there's a

1053
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,479
S3: hidden one that maybe you weren't aware of.

1054
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:54,360
S5: I don't know.

1055
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:55,040
S11: Not sure you're the.

1056
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:55,360
S2: Bride.

1057
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:55,879
S11: You tell us.

1058
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,719
S3: Brides always crying at their wedding. They realize they aren't

1059
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,040
S3: marrying the best man.

1060
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,000
S11: Oh my God.

1061
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:02,839
S5: Okay.

1062
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:03,440
S11: Whoa.

1063
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,200
S5: That is outstanding. And can't believe she's saying.

1064
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:07,480
S2: I can't believe she said it too.

1065
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,760
S5: Oh my goodness. we got a hallmark movie brewing here.

1066
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,000
S3: That does. It feels like hallmark movie, right? Oh my goodness.

1067
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,120
S5: Aw. What's that? What's that flick where the woman kept

1068
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,719
S5: bolting on all the groom. All the dudes?

1069
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:22,600
S2: I don't know.

1070
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,839
S5: Runaway bride or something? Yes, yes.

1071
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:25,200
S2: Oh my.

1072
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,640
S3: Goodness. That was I think that was the early 90s movie. Anyway, sorry.

1073
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,839
S3: Next up, this one is for Carl Carls. More of

1074
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,960
S3: our adventurer. No offense, Jonathan.

1075
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:34,600
S2: That's fine.

1076
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:38,000
S3: What do you call a deer with no eyes? A

1077
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:39,719
S3: deer with no eyes?

1078
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:41,880
S5: Uh, a blind deer?

1079
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:43,439
S3: No idea.

1080
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,400
S15: That's one of the best ever. No idea.

1081
00:55:54,719 --> 00:56:00,200
S3: I have no idea. Text jokes to 800 555, 78, 98.

1082
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:01,200
S2: If you love.

1083
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,440
S3: That, Carl. Yeah, he's got going today. Text jokes to

1084
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,200
S3: 805 5578 98.