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S3: When you think back to your childhood, what were some

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S3: You start to wonder. I mean, you start to notice

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S4: I thought you maybe going comical like, well, my face

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S3: You need to know that you are secure, that you

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S5: Yeah. Well, there's there's nothing more significant than to know

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S6: asked the right question? Guys? Check this out. This is

448
00:22:23,470 --> 00:22:26,510
S6: from John 1838. I'll set it up with this. You

449
00:22:26,510 --> 00:22:29,270
S6: got Jesus making claims of his kingship, and you've got

450
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:36,230
S6: Jewish leaders saying he's seditious. He's undermining everything that we

451
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:41,110
S6: are as a culture. And Pilate says, what is truth? Now,

452
00:22:41,109 --> 00:22:43,350
S6: I think he actually wanted to know what the truth was.

453
00:22:43,350 --> 00:22:46,230
S6: What did he say, Andy Bannister? Pilate asked a good question,

454
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:46,750
S6: didn't he?

455
00:22:46,910 --> 00:22:49,790
S7: Yes. I think it's an excellent question. Yeah, arguably it's

456
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:51,830
S7: one of the most important questions we can ask. Right?

457
00:22:51,869 --> 00:22:54,510
S7: What is truth? I mean, to go, boy. Where do

458
00:22:54,510 --> 00:22:56,470
S7: you go from there? What a great starting point. So

459
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:58,750
S7: Pilate asked the right question. Shame. I don't think he

460
00:22:58,790 --> 00:23:00,389
S7: hung around long enough to wait for the answer, though.

461
00:23:00,390 --> 00:23:01,669
S7: I would say, yeah.

462
00:23:01,750 --> 00:23:03,990
S3: Doctor Andy Bannister, our guest right now, he's the director

463
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:07,389
S3: of solace. He speaks and teaches regularly throughout the UK, Europe,

464
00:23:07,390 --> 00:23:11,510
S3: Canada and the US, addressing both Christians and those of

465
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S3: all faiths on issues relating to faith, culture, politics and

466
00:23:15,390 --> 00:23:18,310
S3: in society. You know, when it comes to the claim

467
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:22,310
S3: of the Christian that Jesus is the way, we are

468
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:26,030
S3: also saying that every other way is false, which to

469
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:28,470
S3: many people. And this is the pushback that I'm sure

470
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:33,110
S3: you hear often. Isn't Christianity arrogant? Isn't it arrogant of

471
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S3: us to claim that not just that we believe it, that,

472
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S3: but that it's true and that everything else is false?

473
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S7: Well, I'd say a couple of things there, Ali, kind

474
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:44,990
S7: of straight away. The first thing is that with respect

475
00:23:44,990 --> 00:23:46,470
S7: and we need to be careful not to try and

476
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:48,990
S7: score cheap points with this one. But the point is,

477
00:23:49,230 --> 00:23:52,909
S7: truth claims are by their very nature, exclusive. So if

478
00:23:52,910 --> 00:23:55,390
S7: I say two plus two is four, you could turn

479
00:23:55,390 --> 00:23:58,109
S7: around and go, dude, you're so arrogant. I think it's nine, man.

480
00:23:58,109 --> 00:24:00,710
S7: How dare you tell me you're crazy Brits with your

481
00:24:00,710 --> 00:24:03,550
S7: exclusive mathematics. If I say hey, you know, the current

482
00:24:03,550 --> 00:24:06,590
S7: president of the USA is Donald Trump, that rules out,

483
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:09,109
S7: you know, 300 million other Americans who are not the

484
00:24:09,109 --> 00:24:11,710
S7: current president of the USA. And the list goes on.

485
00:24:11,710 --> 00:24:14,710
S7: And to anyone who gets nervous about exclusive truth claims.

486
00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:18,070
S7: I can guarantee that no matter how relative you want

487
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:19,830
S7: to be, if you're sitting on an airplane about to

488
00:24:19,869 --> 00:24:22,470
S7: take off from an airport, and the pilot comes over

489
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:24,870
S7: the tannoy and she announces and says, do you know what?

490
00:24:24,869 --> 00:24:27,149
S7: I don't believe in exclusive truth. So once we're at

491
00:24:27,150 --> 00:24:29,949
S7: cruising altitude, anyone you like can come and press the

492
00:24:29,950 --> 00:24:31,790
S7: buttons up here, because I don't think I've got all

493
00:24:31,790 --> 00:24:34,510
S7: the answers. I don't think you'd hang around and go,

494
00:24:34,550 --> 00:24:37,550
S7: what an amazingly progressive pilot. You'd be running for the

495
00:24:37,550 --> 00:24:42,750
S7: emergency exits because we know instinctively, actually, deep down, that truth,

496
00:24:42,750 --> 00:24:46,669
S7: by its nature, is exclusive and truth matters. Often life

497
00:24:46,670 --> 00:24:49,390
S7: depends on on truth. It's not just a game.

498
00:24:49,710 --> 00:24:52,670
S6: How do you land on absolute truth? When I ask

499
00:24:52,670 --> 00:24:54,990
S6: Grock about three hours ago.

500
00:24:55,030 --> 00:24:57,710
S7: Is gravity a big mistake right away? Yeah.

501
00:24:58,030 --> 00:25:02,190
S6: No, but I'm playing with this one because I said gravity.

502
00:25:02,190 --> 00:25:05,189
S6: Is gravity an absolute truth. And this is what it

503
00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:07,150
S6: came back to. It came back to the definition of

504
00:25:07,150 --> 00:25:10,670
S6: absolute truth. It said, well, if it's independent of context,

505
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:14,110
S6: perception or belief, it would not be truth to some.

506
00:25:14,109 --> 00:25:15,950
S6: How do you even argue with that, Andy? I'm being

507
00:25:15,950 --> 00:25:16,630
S6: real here.

508
00:25:16,830 --> 00:25:19,030
S7: Well, I'd say it just shows the danger of an AI,

509
00:25:19,070 --> 00:25:21,310
S7: because of course, an AI doesn't have any understanding of

510
00:25:21,310 --> 00:25:24,030
S7: truth in the first place. AI is just following its programming,

511
00:25:24,030 --> 00:25:27,310
S7: and it was programmed by flawed human beings. Yeah, I

512
00:25:27,310 --> 00:25:30,109
S7: think I think if you go right back to the ancients,

513
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:32,989
S7: I mean, Plato, you know, that classic Greek philosopher is

514
00:25:32,990 --> 00:25:35,270
S7: quite interesting. He gave to me one of the greatest

515
00:25:35,310 --> 00:25:38,430
S7: definitions of truth that stood for, you know, 4000 years,

516
00:25:38,430 --> 00:25:40,669
S7: more or less. He said, you know, among the things

517
00:25:40,670 --> 00:25:44,550
S7: that make truth true and real, truth is external to us.

518
00:25:44,550 --> 00:25:47,870
S7: So it doesn't matter what you call personally feel about it. Uh,

519
00:25:47,869 --> 00:25:50,350
S7: to go, it's external to you. So you may not

520
00:25:50,350 --> 00:25:53,310
S7: like the fact that there's a, there's a traffic jam

521
00:25:53,310 --> 00:25:55,070
S7: on the highway in front of you, but closing your

522
00:25:55,070 --> 00:25:56,830
S7: eyes and wishing isn't going to make it go away.

523
00:25:56,869 --> 00:26:01,350
S7: Truth is universal. So you know something is true here

524
00:26:01,350 --> 00:26:05,630
S7: in the UK. It's true in the USA. It's true globally.

525
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:09,270
S7: So the truth by its very nature is is true everywhere.

526
00:26:09,270 --> 00:26:12,510
S7: Two plus two is four. Wherever you go. And then

527
00:26:12,510 --> 00:26:16,109
S7: the truth is also true. Throughout time, it's always been

528
00:26:16,109 --> 00:26:18,110
S7: the case that two plus two is four. It will

529
00:26:18,109 --> 00:26:21,110
S7: always be the case that two plus two is four.

530
00:26:21,150 --> 00:26:23,989
S7: And it's interesting you ask that question about gravity. If

531
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:25,909
S7: Grock was a human being, I would say so. You

532
00:26:25,910 --> 00:26:28,190
S7: do think it's possible that you'll wake up tomorrow morning grock,

533
00:26:28,190 --> 00:26:31,150
S7: and be floating up near the ceiling somewhere? Because gravity

534
00:26:31,150 --> 00:26:34,630
S7: is just someone's perception. You know, gravity by its very nature,

535
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:36,909
S7: is external to us. We can't do anything about it.

536
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:38,869
S7: We're kind of stuck with it. And if you if

537
00:26:38,910 --> 00:26:41,390
S7: you don't believe that, then perhaps don't take up skydiving

538
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:43,149
S7: as a hobby doctor.

539
00:26:43,150 --> 00:26:46,310
S3: Handyman is our guest right now. Now, you've written this.

540
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:49,990
S3: That I think is fascinating, that sometimes we can slip

541
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:53,910
S3: from the true claim that all people have equal value

542
00:26:53,910 --> 00:26:57,990
S3: to the false claim that all ideas have equal merit.

543
00:26:57,990 --> 00:27:00,070
S3: And I think that this is a good one to

544
00:27:00,109 --> 00:27:02,670
S3: kind of dive into a little bit more, because sometimes

545
00:27:02,670 --> 00:27:06,990
S3: it feels dishonoring to people to suggest that all ideas

546
00:27:06,990 --> 00:27:10,230
S3: are not equal, even though all people have equal merit.

547
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:11,310
S3: Speak to that a little bit.

548
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:13,430
S7: That's the crucial thing, Ali. In our age right now,

549
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:15,590
S7: we've merged those two things. So when you say you

550
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:18,510
S7: disagree with someone that can be taken as as you

551
00:27:18,550 --> 00:27:20,510
S7: hate them in some way, but that's such a dangerous

552
00:27:20,510 --> 00:27:23,870
S7: slope to go on, first thing, it doesn't respect the person.

553
00:27:23,910 --> 00:27:25,629
S7: You know, if you and I were sitting down over a,

554
00:27:25,670 --> 00:27:28,470
S7: you know, for a coffee somewhere and I happened to say, uh,

555
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:30,310
S7: you know, come out with something that's not true. Perhaps

556
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:32,830
S7: as a Brit, I make some comment about American politics

557
00:27:32,830 --> 00:27:35,310
S7: that you look at me and you go, classic. A classic, Brit,

558
00:27:35,310 --> 00:27:37,189
S7: you've got it wrong. If you just pat me on

559
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:39,149
S7: the head and go, no, that's okay. That's true for you.

560
00:27:39,150 --> 00:27:41,429
S7: I won't offend you. Actually, that's true to me. Like

561
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:44,630
S7: an infant. Actually. It's going. Andy is so immature and

562
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:48,270
S7: so unsophisticated and so hopeless. I don't challenge his wrong

563
00:27:48,270 --> 00:27:51,469
S7: idea because he might get upset. That's actually infantilised me.

564
00:27:51,470 --> 00:27:54,270
S7: He hasn't respected me. Respected me, is going, hey, Andy,

565
00:27:54,270 --> 00:27:55,910
S7: let me just stop you for a moment. What you've

566
00:27:55,910 --> 00:27:58,550
S7: said there. I appreciate why you might think it, but

567
00:27:58,550 --> 00:28:00,750
S7: it's not actually correct. Can I can I show you

568
00:28:00,790 --> 00:28:03,109
S7: why now? Sure. You can do in a hateful way.

569
00:28:03,109 --> 00:28:05,230
S7: You can dig me round the head and go, you're crazy, nutter.

570
00:28:05,230 --> 00:28:08,580
S7: You're just mad. That's not helpful, but you can correct

571
00:28:08,580 --> 00:28:11,340
S7: me in a way that's loving and engaging and treats

572
00:28:11,340 --> 00:28:12,860
S7: me as an adult. So that's the first thing we

573
00:28:12,859 --> 00:28:17,180
S7: actually infantilize people if we don't separate those two things.

574
00:28:17,340 --> 00:28:20,620
S7: And then the other problem I think you run into

575
00:28:20,660 --> 00:28:22,740
S7: there as well is we're back to the to the

576
00:28:22,780 --> 00:28:26,900
S7: universal nature of truth. We do all kinds of damage

577
00:28:27,260 --> 00:28:29,940
S7: to society. If we don't have a way of figuring

578
00:28:29,940 --> 00:28:32,100
S7: out what's right and wrong and what's true and what

579
00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:33,980
S7: isn't true. I mean, just take some of the big

580
00:28:33,980 --> 00:28:37,300
S7: battles historically of our age. I was in America, kind

581
00:28:37,340 --> 00:28:39,860
S7: of recently had spent three months over there, and one

582
00:28:39,860 --> 00:28:42,300
S7: of my highlights was being in Washington and standing on

583
00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:44,860
S7: the steps of the Lincoln Memorial where, uh, you know,

584
00:28:44,940 --> 00:28:49,060
S7: Martin Luther King gave that amazing I have a dream speech. Yeah. And,

585
00:28:49,100 --> 00:28:50,660
S7: you know, you look back to those great moments in

586
00:28:50,660 --> 00:28:54,580
S7: American history where where justice has rolled forward. What does

587
00:28:54,580 --> 00:28:56,260
S7: it mean if it turns around going, well, you can't

588
00:28:56,260 --> 00:28:58,700
S7: challenge someone in injustice because we might offend them. Maybe

589
00:28:58,700 --> 00:29:00,580
S7: it's not the case that all people are born equal.

590
00:29:00,620 --> 00:29:03,700
S7: You know, if you believe in slavery and racism, that's okay.

591
00:29:03,740 --> 00:29:05,459
S7: We'll just pat you on the head and let you be.

592
00:29:05,820 --> 00:29:08,620
S7: I think that's a devastating place to end up. I

593
00:29:08,620 --> 00:29:12,060
S7: think actually things like justice and human rights, as well

594
00:29:12,060 --> 00:29:15,420
S7: as the bigger questions of faith and God and spirituality

595
00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:20,100
S7: and Jesus and so forth, all those things collapse utterly

596
00:29:20,260 --> 00:29:22,979
S7: if we forget how to talk about truth, even if

597
00:29:22,980 --> 00:29:25,820
S7: some of those conversations aren't always easy ones.

598
00:29:26,020 --> 00:29:28,780
S6: Yeah. Andy Bannister. That's a good bump of the cup,

599
00:29:28,780 --> 00:29:34,980
S6: because oftentimes angry evangelicals, uh, dominate the landscape in their

600
00:29:35,340 --> 00:29:39,740
S6: their willingness to embrace what is real for someone else

601
00:29:39,740 --> 00:29:43,460
S6: is oftentimes wanting. And that's a great challenge. Andy, I

602
00:29:43,460 --> 00:29:46,020
S6: love that. Love your heart there. Coming up here in

603
00:29:46,020 --> 00:29:49,220
S6: a moment. We live in a world, Andy, that each

604
00:29:49,260 --> 00:29:52,020
S6: man is doing what seems right in their own eyes.

605
00:29:52,060 --> 00:29:57,660
S6: It's the absence of truth. It's very subjective. Relative. How

606
00:29:57,660 --> 00:30:01,380
S6: do we witness in a world without absolute truth? More

607
00:30:01,380 --> 00:30:03,100
S6: with Andy Bannister. Straight ahead.

608
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S1: Romans eight brought her to Jesus while broadcasting traffic overnight.

609
00:30:08,340 --> 00:30:12,140
S1: Super Dai is in the crew, its curl and crew

610
00:30:12,140 --> 00:30:13,380
S1: on Moody Radio.

611
00:30:13,580 --> 00:30:15,780
S6: Andy Bannister a guest from the other side of the pond.

612
00:30:15,820 --> 00:30:18,459
S6: Good to have you, Andy. The last words in the

613
00:30:18,460 --> 00:30:22,940
S6: book of Judges are who unnerving everyone, did what was

614
00:30:22,940 --> 00:30:27,900
S6: right in his own eyes. My question revolves around moral relativism.

615
00:30:28,220 --> 00:30:32,580
S6: If all morality is relative to the person at hand,

616
00:30:32,740 --> 00:30:40,860
S6: doesn't this lead to sexual relativism, even, uh, raising children? Relativism, uh,

617
00:30:40,860 --> 00:30:44,740
S6: death relativism? Doesn't it lead to each man does what

618
00:30:44,740 --> 00:30:46,740
S6: is right in almost any and everything?

619
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S7: Andy it does. Carl. But with one just minor thing

620
00:30:50,420 --> 00:30:52,380
S7: I would. I would add that I found interesting over

621
00:30:52,380 --> 00:30:55,660
S7: the years, most people I've met who are moral relativists,

622
00:30:55,660 --> 00:30:57,860
S7: we live in a very relativistic culture. You've summed it

623
00:30:57,860 --> 00:31:00,219
S7: up well, but no one is a moral relativist in

624
00:31:00,220 --> 00:31:02,540
S7: the sense that they're willing for people to be relativistic

625
00:31:02,540 --> 00:31:05,140
S7: to them. Most people who are moral relativists, they want

626
00:31:05,140 --> 00:31:07,220
S7: the freedom to do what they want, but they want

627
00:31:07,260 --> 00:31:10,380
S7: other people to respect them. I remember once talking to

628
00:31:10,420 --> 00:31:13,300
S7: a to a student years ago who was a moral relativist.

629
00:31:13,340 --> 00:31:15,900
S7: And we're having quite a sort of frustrating conversation. And

630
00:31:15,900 --> 00:31:18,100
S7: then this light bulb moment occurred to me and she

631
00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:20,460
S7: was banging on about, there's no moral values. Everything is

632
00:31:20,460 --> 00:31:23,820
S7: personal and so forth. So I leant across mid-conversation and

633
00:31:23,820 --> 00:31:25,620
S7: just picked up her phone and put it in my pocket,

634
00:31:26,020 --> 00:31:27,940
S7: and she said, what are you doing? I said, oh,

635
00:31:27,940 --> 00:31:30,100
S7: I've stolen your phone. Carry on. You were saying? She's like, well,

636
00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:31,660
S7: I want my phone back. I went, no, no, no,

637
00:31:31,660 --> 00:31:34,540
S7: you've just told me that morals are relative and you've

638
00:31:34,540 --> 00:31:37,060
S7: convinced me. So I think stealing phones is okay. It's

639
00:31:37,060 --> 00:31:39,100
S7: okay for me. Might not be okay for you, but

640
00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:41,140
S7: it's okay for me. It's my phone now. So you

641
00:31:41,140 --> 00:31:43,820
S7: were saying? Finally she starts banging the table, saying, give

642
00:31:43,820 --> 00:31:45,739
S7: me my phone back. I went, I'll give you your

643
00:31:45,740 --> 00:31:49,180
S7: phone back. When you concede that some morals may be

644
00:31:49,180 --> 00:31:52,620
S7: more than relativistic. And she grinned and went, yeah, okay.

645
00:31:52,660 --> 00:31:53,940
S7: Fair point. Can I have my phone?

646
00:31:53,980 --> 00:31:55,660
S8: Give me my phone. So yeah.

647
00:31:55,700 --> 00:32:00,380
S7: Moral relativism works if people abide by your rules. And

648
00:32:00,380 --> 00:32:03,300
S7: I always think that inconsistency is is interesting. So if

649
00:32:03,340 --> 00:32:05,860
S7: you're listening to this and you've got friends, family members,

650
00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:07,860
S7: you know who are in this position, just turn the

651
00:32:07,860 --> 00:32:11,060
S7: tables gently and go. Are you genuinely willing to let

652
00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:14,420
S7: other people behave to you entirely as they like? I

653
00:32:14,460 --> 00:32:17,620
S7: don't think you are. So there's a hypocrisy issue going

654
00:32:17,620 --> 00:32:20,420
S7: on here. So it's not quite. Society is perhaps not

655
00:32:20,420 --> 00:32:23,980
S7: quite as relativistic as we might first think at times.

656
00:32:24,140 --> 00:32:26,860
S3: Doctor Andy Bannister, our guest right now. I love that question.

657
00:32:26,900 --> 00:32:30,860
S3: I know you're big on asking questions in terms of

658
00:32:30,860 --> 00:32:34,260
S3: engaging in these conversations. Give us some more suggestions for

659
00:32:34,260 --> 00:32:38,020
S3: how to nudge someone lovingly toward at least an openness

660
00:32:38,060 --> 00:32:41,380
S3: to the idea that there is an absolute truth, that

661
00:32:41,380 --> 00:32:43,620
S3: there is moral absolute.

662
00:32:43,860 --> 00:32:46,140
S7: I think one of the first things I would say

663
00:32:46,380 --> 00:32:48,500
S7: when you're talking to someone about this, the word morality,

664
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:50,740
S7: I think, sometimes causes a problem because if you're dealing

665
00:32:50,740 --> 00:32:53,260
S7: with somebody, as there are many in our culture who

666
00:32:53,300 --> 00:32:57,420
S7: are suspicious about religion, sometimes in their mind Morality can

667
00:32:57,460 --> 00:33:01,740
S7: sort of mean this very dry, desiccated, almost, almost pharisaism.

668
00:33:01,780 --> 00:33:03,700
S7: You know, they've got this idea that religious people like

669
00:33:03,700 --> 00:33:06,300
S7: to sit up there looking down at others and intoning

670
00:33:06,300 --> 00:33:08,660
S7: these other things you should do and these things you

671
00:33:08,660 --> 00:33:12,940
S7: shouldn't do. And they react. And I'm sympathetic in that

672
00:33:12,940 --> 00:33:15,300
S7: because Jesus had a few words to say for the Pharisees.

673
00:33:15,620 --> 00:33:18,420
S7: So a great question to ask somebody might be, hey,

674
00:33:18,540 --> 00:33:20,620
S7: what do you think morality is? What do you mean

675
00:33:20,620 --> 00:33:24,260
S7: by morality? What is it we're talking about? Because that's

676
00:33:24,260 --> 00:33:26,940
S7: I think, sets up, you know, if they give you

677
00:33:26,940 --> 00:33:28,940
S7: that kind of sort of language back to say, well,

678
00:33:28,980 --> 00:33:31,460
S7: you know what? Jesus talks a lot about the good life,

679
00:33:31,660 --> 00:33:34,180
S7: but I don't think he used those that language. I

680
00:33:34,180 --> 00:33:37,580
S7: think what I find attractive about Jesus, you know, his

681
00:33:37,580 --> 00:33:40,740
S7: whole message was God wants the very best for us.

682
00:33:40,860 --> 00:33:43,420
S7: He wants us to be in relationship with him. He

683
00:33:43,420 --> 00:33:45,220
S7: wants us to love him and love each other. That

684
00:33:45,220 --> 00:33:48,140
S7: was the two commands Jesus reduced the law to, and

685
00:33:48,140 --> 00:33:52,260
S7: everything flows out of that. And so certainly for Christian ethics,

686
00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:55,340
S7: Christian ethics, and Christian morality, I think when you read

687
00:33:55,340 --> 00:33:58,580
S7: the New Testament really should be an attitude of gratitude.

688
00:33:58,580 --> 00:34:00,820
S7: It flows out of because what God has done for

689
00:34:00,820 --> 00:34:04,140
S7: us in Christ. Therefore live differently. You could argue that's

690
00:34:04,140 --> 00:34:07,420
S7: a summary of all Paul's teaching on ethics, frankly. And

691
00:34:07,420 --> 00:34:09,980
S7: if that's what ethics is, it looks great when it

692
00:34:09,980 --> 00:34:13,460
S7: gets disconnected from Jesus and that the life that God

693
00:34:13,460 --> 00:34:18,779
S7: intends for us to have and becomes just dry, desiccated commandments,

694
00:34:19,060 --> 00:34:22,060
S7: no wonder it looks problematic and no longer no wonder

695
00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:24,940
S7: why people then react against it as people react to

696
00:34:24,980 --> 00:34:27,739
S7: the Pharisees. But I think the way into that conversation

697
00:34:27,980 --> 00:34:30,540
S7: is to say to your friend, hey, when you say morality,

698
00:34:30,580 --> 00:34:32,020
S7: what do you mean by that? What does that word

699
00:34:32,020 --> 00:34:34,259
S7: mean to you? Because I think most people would see

700
00:34:34,260 --> 00:34:36,899
S7: it negatively, not positively. And so you've got to start

701
00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:38,779
S7: a few steps back. Does that kind of make sense?

702
00:34:38,780 --> 00:34:39,700
S3: Yes. That's excellent.

703
00:34:39,739 --> 00:34:43,300
S6: That's really good. Andy Bannister our guest right now okay.

704
00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:45,299
S6: So I'm going with this idea. And I think you're

705
00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:48,740
S6: right on. Everybody seeks the good life whatever that may

706
00:34:48,739 --> 00:34:52,780
S6: look like if that's the case. Andy, I've been so intrigued.

707
00:34:52,820 --> 00:34:56,419
S6: I'm most intrigued with Paul before Agrippa. Here's a man

708
00:34:56,420 --> 00:34:58,819
S6: that's being called down on his mission, and what he

709
00:34:58,820 --> 00:35:01,580
S6: does is he shares his story. And it must have

710
00:35:01,580 --> 00:35:04,180
S6: been it was three minutes and 10s at reading pace

711
00:35:04,180 --> 00:35:08,620
S6: to tell his story. Yeah. And it's so rattled, Agrippa.

712
00:35:08,660 --> 00:35:10,140
S6: He says, do you think you're going to convert me

713
00:35:10,140 --> 00:35:14,740
S6: in such a short time? It isn't our story, that

714
00:35:14,739 --> 00:35:19,420
S6: truth of the good life in us. Isn't that maybe

715
00:35:19,420 --> 00:35:23,899
S6: one of the best points of argumentation from an apologetic

716
00:35:23,940 --> 00:35:24,900
S6: that's effective?

717
00:35:25,700 --> 00:35:28,819
S7: Totally. I would say there are two components to it,

718
00:35:28,860 --> 00:35:32,259
S7: to a really powerful presentation of the gospel, an apologetic

719
00:35:32,260 --> 00:35:34,820
S7: if you want to use the technical language. Carl, I

720
00:35:34,820 --> 00:35:36,580
S7: think the first is our story, and I'll say briefly

721
00:35:36,580 --> 00:35:38,620
S7: why in a second. But then coupled with that is

722
00:35:38,620 --> 00:35:41,100
S7: why people should take our story seriously. Because if you

723
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:43,740
S7: just tell your story, everyone's got a story. Our Buddhist

724
00:35:43,739 --> 00:35:45,940
S7: friends have a story. Our Muslim friends have a story.

725
00:35:45,980 --> 00:35:48,339
S7: If you just have a story, people need to know

726
00:35:48,340 --> 00:35:50,540
S7: why I should take it seriously. So that is important.

727
00:35:50,540 --> 00:35:53,660
S7: But the story piece is crucial because I think we're

728
00:35:53,660 --> 00:35:57,660
S7: in a time increasingly where more and more, especially younger people,

729
00:35:57,700 --> 00:36:01,300
S7: are not asking the question so much is Christianity true?

730
00:36:01,780 --> 00:36:04,940
S7: That comes later. They're asking the question, does it matter?

731
00:36:04,940 --> 00:36:07,700
S7: Does it make a difference? And your story can answer

732
00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:10,260
S7: that question. And by the way, on the morality piece,

733
00:36:10,260 --> 00:36:13,020
S7: I think it's a very powerful approach. If rather than

734
00:36:13,060 --> 00:36:15,060
S7: sort of bang on about this is right and this

735
00:36:15,060 --> 00:36:18,379
S7: is wrong. And starting there. What about backing up and saying, look,

736
00:36:18,420 --> 00:36:20,779
S7: the reason I follow Jesus is, look, I'm not a

737
00:36:20,780 --> 00:36:23,420
S7: good person. I know the kind of person I am. Yes.

738
00:36:23,460 --> 00:36:26,300
S7: And I'm hugely grateful for what God did for me

739
00:36:26,300 --> 00:36:28,580
S7: in becoming the person of Jesus while I was still

740
00:36:28,580 --> 00:36:30,819
S7: a scumbag, while I was still a rotter, while I

741
00:36:30,820 --> 00:36:33,500
S7: was still God's enemies. You're paraphrasing Romans five verse eight,

742
00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:36,140
S7: by the way, here and to go. I'm so grateful

743
00:36:36,140 --> 00:36:39,780
S7: that God welcomed me into his family and forgave me

744
00:36:39,780 --> 00:36:42,299
S7: in Christ while I was not a good person. And

745
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:44,340
S7: you know what? I'm still not a good person. I'm,

746
00:36:44,380 --> 00:36:48,100
S7: praise God, a better person because of God's work transforming me.

747
00:36:48,140 --> 00:36:50,580
S7: But there are days when you know I'm still a

748
00:36:50,580 --> 00:36:53,180
S7: bit of a mess. But actually, what I love about

749
00:36:53,180 --> 00:36:55,700
S7: being a Christian is God doesn't say, be a better person,

750
00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:58,460
S7: sort your life out, but forgives you and takes the

751
00:36:58,460 --> 00:37:01,020
S7: initiative and then through the spirit in you, gives you

752
00:37:01,020 --> 00:37:04,299
S7: the power to begin changing and living differently. And that's

753
00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:07,140
S7: a very different story, a story of morality. I think

754
00:37:07,140 --> 00:37:09,460
S7: people think the church is sitting there, do this and

755
00:37:09,460 --> 00:37:12,180
S7: don't do the other thing. I think that's a caricature

756
00:37:12,420 --> 00:37:14,460
S7: of the gospel. Rather, the gospel says, no, here is

757
00:37:14,460 --> 00:37:18,299
S7: the power to change and the power to live differently,

758
00:37:18,300 --> 00:37:21,500
S7: beginning with becoming a new creation in and through Jesus.

759
00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:23,779
S3: Doctor Andy Bannister, our guest right now, I want to

760
00:37:23,780 --> 00:37:27,219
S3: point you to a resource. He's edited and contributed a

761
00:37:27,219 --> 00:37:31,020
S3: chapter to a book called Have You Ever Wondered Finding

762
00:37:31,020 --> 00:37:34,940
S3: the everyday clues to meaning, purpose, and spirituality? Just text

763
00:37:34,980 --> 00:37:44,380
S3: wonder to 855 five 7898. Text wonder to 805 55, 7898.

764
00:37:44,660 --> 00:37:46,980
S6: I don't want to let him go. Andy, hold on

765
00:37:46,980 --> 00:37:50,420
S6: here a second. I think there's a lot of people,

766
00:37:50,420 --> 00:37:53,620
S6: many tens of thousands listening across North America right now,

767
00:37:53,660 --> 00:37:58,340
S6: maybe many more. They have an incredible heart to see.

768
00:37:58,420 --> 00:38:00,980
S6: And this is an epidemic across America, as I'm sure

769
00:38:00,980 --> 00:38:03,260
S6: it is in Europe. A lot of kids were raised

770
00:38:03,260 --> 00:38:06,899
S6: in church, but they were never in Christ. Yeah. How

771
00:38:06,900 --> 00:38:10,500
S6: in the world do we break through that relativism that

772
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:14,779
S6: those kids have embraced? In a word, in a phrase,

773
00:38:14,780 --> 00:38:16,740
S6: in a paragraph. What do you say, Andy?

774
00:38:16,980 --> 00:38:19,940
S7: Well, since Ali, Ali very kindly mentioned the book, the

775
00:38:19,940 --> 00:38:21,819
S7: approach that we take in that book is to start

776
00:38:21,820 --> 00:38:24,739
S7: with the things that those kids care about. This, by

777
00:38:24,739 --> 00:38:26,700
S7: the way, is what Paul does in acts 17. He

778
00:38:26,700 --> 00:38:29,940
S7: starts with what his audience care about there in Athens.

779
00:38:29,980 --> 00:38:31,580
S7: Start with what they care about. And most young people

780
00:38:31,580 --> 00:38:35,020
S7: I meet are passionate about things like justice. They're passionate

781
00:38:35,020 --> 00:38:37,860
S7: about things like human rights. And that's a great place

782
00:38:37,860 --> 00:38:40,739
S7: to start with those things that they already care about

783
00:38:40,739 --> 00:38:43,100
S7: and then be gently saying, look, all those things that

784
00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:45,780
S7: you matter about, those things that you're animated about, they

785
00:38:45,900 --> 00:38:49,339
S7: only make sense. They only work if human life has value.

786
00:38:49,340 --> 00:38:54,339
S7: If human beings genuinely, genuinely have dignity and value and worth,

787
00:38:54,340 --> 00:38:57,299
S7: if we are nothing more than a collection of atoms,

788
00:38:57,300 --> 00:38:59,859
S7: then justice goes out the window. Human rights is just

789
00:38:59,860 --> 00:39:03,940
S7: a ludicrous idea. It's meaningless. On the other hand, if

790
00:39:03,940 --> 00:39:06,980
S7: the Christian story is true that we were created in

791
00:39:06,980 --> 00:39:09,859
S7: God's image, that God demonstrates our value by dying for

792
00:39:09,860 --> 00:39:13,420
S7: us in Christ, then yeah, there are questions that need answering.

793
00:39:13,420 --> 00:39:16,500
S7: But here's the good news that gives a foundation for

794
00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:19,859
S7: all the things you care about. Justice. Yes matters. Racism

795
00:39:19,860 --> 00:39:23,500
S7: is wrong. Human rights is really important. But those things

796
00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:26,580
S7: only matter if Christianity is true. So try and find

797
00:39:26,620 --> 00:39:31,180
S7: something in where your friends, your son, your daughter, your grandchild,

798
00:39:31,180 --> 00:39:33,660
S7: whoever it is you care about, try and find something

799
00:39:33,660 --> 00:39:36,620
S7: where they are actually already camped without realising it on

800
00:39:36,620 --> 00:39:39,500
S7: part of the Christian story. And effectively you're you're saying

801
00:39:39,540 --> 00:39:41,980
S7: to them, come on home, you're kind of halfway there,

802
00:39:42,020 --> 00:39:44,939
S7: I know. Yes, you've got frustrations and questions bring those.

803
00:39:44,940 --> 00:39:46,980
S7: The church is a place for those things. But come

804
00:39:46,980 --> 00:39:49,020
S7: on back to where those things you already care about

805
00:39:49,020 --> 00:39:51,980
S7: actually best make sense? That's how I often start with

806
00:39:51,980 --> 00:39:53,300
S7: young adults and young people.

807
00:39:53,340 --> 00:39:57,500
S6: That's powerhouse. Andy Bannister, our guest here, guys. And uh, again, Ali,

808
00:39:57,500 --> 00:39:59,100
S6: we got a link, don't we? And this is a

809
00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:00,020
S6: great resource.

810
00:40:00,020 --> 00:40:08,500
S3: Just text wonder to (800) 555-7898 wonder to (800) 555-7898.

811
00:40:09,060 --> 00:40:13,020
S1: Walking closer to Jesus every day you're listening to Carl

812
00:40:13,020 --> 00:40:13,620
S1: and crew.

813
00:40:13,780 --> 00:40:15,700
S3: Hey, good morning to you. Already off to a great

814
00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:21,180
S3: start here on this Thursday morning. Very cold Thursday morning

815
00:40:21,180 --> 00:40:22,700
S3: here in Chicagoland.

816
00:40:22,739 --> 00:40:24,140
S2: I am ready.

817
00:40:24,180 --> 00:40:25,460
S3: Much of the country as I'm.

818
00:40:25,460 --> 00:40:27,700
S2: Hearing. Yeah, I really is much of the country. You

819
00:40:27,739 --> 00:40:32,980
S2: guys know what I understand why people like Summer so

820
00:40:32,980 --> 00:40:36,500
S2: much for the first time in my life. Because I'm

821
00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:39,380
S2: much more. I'm much more like a fall guy. Summer

822
00:40:39,380 --> 00:40:41,540
S2: is fine, but like, I hate the hot weather, I

823
00:40:41,540 --> 00:40:43,060
S2: really do so.

824
00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:44,140
S3: I feel about the hot weather.

825
00:40:44,180 --> 00:40:45,259
S2: Unfortunately, yes, I do.

826
00:40:45,420 --> 00:40:45,620
S4: Love.

827
00:40:45,620 --> 00:40:50,740
S2: It. So I am finally recognizing why summer is so important.

828
00:40:50,739 --> 00:40:54,900
S2: And it's for parents with little kids who need things

829
00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:59,020
S2: to do. But outside has now been completely ruled out

830
00:40:59,020 --> 00:41:03,100
S2: as an option because it's two degrees outside, and my

831
00:41:03,100 --> 00:41:05,100
S2: sweet little two year old daughter does not want to

832
00:41:05,100 --> 00:41:06,900
S2: wear her gloves no matter what I do. So I

833
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:09,820
S2: can't take her outside because the gloves come off about

834
00:41:09,820 --> 00:41:13,060
S2: two minutes into the adventure and, uh, and then she's

835
00:41:13,060 --> 00:41:15,020
S2: gonna get frostbite if I leave her out there any longer.

836
00:41:15,020 --> 00:41:18,779
S3: So you're at that stage of parenting where you are like,

837
00:41:18,780 --> 00:41:20,900
S3: what am I gonna do with them? What am I

838
00:41:20,940 --> 00:41:23,180
S3: gonna do with them? Like, what is she. She's two.

839
00:41:23,219 --> 00:41:24,140
S2: She's two in March.

840
00:41:24,260 --> 00:41:27,500
S3: Yeah. So it's that's a really busy age. And they

841
00:41:27,500 --> 00:41:30,339
S3: want to be, um, they want to be occupied. And

842
00:41:30,340 --> 00:41:33,020
S3: you want to keep them active? Yes. You don't want

843
00:41:33,060 --> 00:41:35,940
S3: to plop them in front of a screen? Nope. Right.

844
00:41:35,980 --> 00:41:40,020
S2: No, my my sister in law gave us what she

845
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:44,299
S2: calls winter survival kits, like sensory bins because she's got.

846
00:41:44,340 --> 00:41:46,819
S2: They've got three kids. Yeah. And so we're on our

847
00:41:46,820 --> 00:41:50,180
S2: first and and she said here for Christmas, here are

848
00:41:50,180 --> 00:41:53,060
S2: some winter survival kits, some things to do with your

849
00:41:53,060 --> 00:41:56,460
S2: daughter to get you through the winter. Because I'm like, man,

850
00:41:56,460 --> 00:41:57,820
S2: I love summer now.

851
00:41:57,860 --> 00:42:00,260
S3: Maybe we need one of those in here for winter

852
00:42:00,260 --> 00:42:02,500
S3: survival kit. Let's get one of those bins in here.

853
00:42:03,860 --> 00:42:06,940
S3: Have you ever wondered how deep the deep longing of

854
00:42:06,940 --> 00:42:09,580
S3: your heart wondered, am I am I enough?

855
00:42:10,300 --> 00:42:10,940
S2: Yes.

856
00:42:10,980 --> 00:42:14,460
S3: Absolutely enough. And I think a lot of questions kind

857
00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:18,860
S3: of flow out of this, those sort of existential do

858
00:42:18,860 --> 00:42:22,700
S3: I matter? Am I worthy of love?

859
00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:25,660
S2: You know, I was just listening to this is so

860
00:42:25,660 --> 00:42:28,300
S2: funny that you said this because I was listening to

861
00:42:28,340 --> 00:42:31,460
S2: on the way into work today, uh, a sermon from

862
00:42:31,460 --> 00:42:35,380
S2: Pastor Greg Laurie. Okay. And from out in California. And

863
00:42:35,380 --> 00:42:37,860
S2: he was talking about Abraham Lincoln, one of the greatest

864
00:42:37,980 --> 00:42:42,819
S2: presidents of all time, known historically for that after he died,

865
00:42:43,580 --> 00:42:48,420
S2: they found a little piece of paper in his pocket.

866
00:42:48,420 --> 00:42:52,500
S2: It was a newspaper clipping, and it said, Abraham Lincoln

867
00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:56,580
S2: is one of the greatest statesmen of all time, because

868
00:42:56,900 --> 00:43:00,940
S2: even though he had done so many amazing and excellent things,

869
00:43:00,940 --> 00:43:05,180
S2: even he needed to feel like he was enough. And

870
00:43:05,180 --> 00:43:08,140
S2: so he carried this thing around in his pocket to

871
00:43:08,180 --> 00:43:13,219
S2: be reminded that somebody out there liked him, because he

872
00:43:13,219 --> 00:43:17,180
S2: probably had those same questions, am I enough? And obviously

873
00:43:17,180 --> 00:43:21,379
S2: are enough comes from a deeper source. But but we

874
00:43:21,380 --> 00:43:22,779
S2: all have that question.

875
00:43:23,180 --> 00:43:25,460
S3: You know, that's interesting because I was I was doing

876
00:43:25,460 --> 00:43:28,540
S3: some research on this. And, you know, you might think

877
00:43:28,540 --> 00:43:33,500
S3: that the that the level of like success or attractiveness.

878
00:43:35,620 --> 00:43:40,540
S3: Like Automatically links to like, a higher sense of self.

879
00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:41,580
S2: Oh, sure.

880
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:43,060
S3: Or self. Self.

881
00:43:43,100 --> 00:43:43,980
S4: But it's.

882
00:43:44,260 --> 00:43:45,420
S3: Not necessarily.

883
00:43:45,460 --> 00:43:48,060
S2: No. Absolutely not. We all used to watch the jocks

884
00:43:48,060 --> 00:43:50,580
S2: in high school and go, well, that guy doesn't have

885
00:43:50,580 --> 00:43:55,219
S2: any problems. There's nothing wrong with him. No, everybody.

886
00:43:55,219 --> 00:43:59,460
S3: Doesn't wake up every morning wondering like he does.

887
00:43:59,460 --> 00:44:00,260
S2: Yes he does.

888
00:44:00,500 --> 00:44:03,299
S3: You do? I do. You know, we're going to we're

889
00:44:03,300 --> 00:44:05,700
S3: going to wrestle with this this morning. And, you know,

890
00:44:05,739 --> 00:44:09,540
S3: you you may have your own thoughts on this. You see,

891
00:44:09,540 --> 00:44:15,940
S3: a lot of positive self-affirmation is really, really popular right now.

892
00:44:16,540 --> 00:44:18,740
S3: And so there's a lot of language that we use

893
00:44:18,739 --> 00:44:23,020
S3: around this question. So I actually put this into ChatGPT.

894
00:44:23,060 --> 00:44:24,940
S3: Carl's kind of got me on this kick. You know

895
00:44:24,980 --> 00:44:28,460
S3: he's been he withdrew Dickens. He's been learning like different

896
00:44:28,460 --> 00:44:32,220
S3: ways to put prompts in. Yes. To really leverage, uh,

897
00:44:32,260 --> 00:44:36,339
S3: AI and AI bots in a really productive way. And

898
00:44:36,340 --> 00:44:41,540
S3: so I asked ChatGPT, I said, I am working on

899
00:44:41,580 --> 00:44:43,980
S3: a I think I said an assignment. I said, this

900
00:44:43,980 --> 00:44:46,300
S3: is I made it clear that this is a assignment,

901
00:44:46,300 --> 00:44:48,979
S3: this is not a real life situation, but I want

902
00:44:48,980 --> 00:44:51,739
S3: you to role play for me. I want you to

903
00:44:51,780 --> 00:44:56,060
S3: pretend that you are a supportive friend. And I have

904
00:44:56,060 --> 00:44:59,180
S3: told you, and I have asked you, am I enough

905
00:44:59,380 --> 00:45:02,740
S3: in the sense that I am doubting my sense of self-worth?

906
00:45:02,739 --> 00:45:07,060
S3: I want you to give me your most compelling response.

907
00:45:07,700 --> 00:45:09,220
S3: Really interesting prompt. Right?

908
00:45:09,260 --> 00:45:10,859
S4: Oh. Very interesting. Yeah.

909
00:45:10,900 --> 00:45:14,819
S3: So coming up, let's talk about what ChatGPT spit out

910
00:45:14,820 --> 00:45:19,100
S3: for me as an encouraging friend. And I'm using that

911
00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:21,460
S3: in air quotes because this is all role play. But

912
00:45:21,739 --> 00:45:25,700
S3: what did ChatGPT say to convince me or someone else

913
00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:29,540
S3: in my position that I'm enough? Interesting response. We'll talk

914
00:45:29,540 --> 00:45:30,380
S3: about it coming up.

915
00:45:30,620 --> 00:45:33,779
S1: He's a sports fanatic with a stand for anything you

916
00:45:33,780 --> 00:45:37,980
S1: can think of. Young Thunder is in the crew. It's

917
00:45:37,980 --> 00:45:40,180
S1: curl and crew on Moody Radio.

918
00:45:40,620 --> 00:45:41,020
S4: Well, I.

919
00:45:41,020 --> 00:45:45,340
S3: Did a fun little exercise where I asked ChatGPT to

920
00:45:45,380 --> 00:45:51,380
S3: formulate a compelling response to the question, am I enough?

921
00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:53,620
S3: Now I want to give a little word of warning here.

922
00:45:53,620 --> 00:45:58,460
S3: This is. This was for research purposes. There actually is

923
00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:02,580
S3: an unhealthy way to use AI that young people in

924
00:46:02,580 --> 00:46:07,420
S3: particular are starting to embrace where they are interacting with

925
00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:11,420
S3: AI bots as if it's a friend.

926
00:46:11,780 --> 00:46:12,340
S2: Yes.

927
00:46:12,380 --> 00:46:16,460
S3: And that can get really, really dicey really quickly for

928
00:46:16,460 --> 00:46:19,580
S3: obvious reasons. So I do want to clarify that this

929
00:46:19,580 --> 00:46:23,219
S3: was for research. Interesting though, this was the response that

930
00:46:24,180 --> 00:46:27,380
S3: ChatGPT churned out to the question. I said, make it compelling.

931
00:46:27,420 --> 00:46:30,700
S3: Your most compelling answer to am I enough if I'm

932
00:46:30,820 --> 00:46:35,140
S3: struggling with doubts about my self-worth. So ChatGPT said this.

933
00:46:35,180 --> 00:46:38,939
S3: A supportive friend might say something like this you don't

934
00:46:38,940 --> 00:46:41,459
S3: have to prove anything to earn your place. The fact

935
00:46:41,460 --> 00:46:45,020
S3: that you're questioning whether you're enough usually means you care deeply.

936
00:46:45,300 --> 00:46:48,500
S3: And people who care are already doing more than they realize.

937
00:46:48,940 --> 00:46:52,100
S3: Being enough isn't about being perfect, confident all the time,

938
00:46:52,100 --> 00:46:55,860
S3: or having everything figured out. It's about showing up as

939
00:46:55,860 --> 00:46:59,620
S3: you are, even on the days you feel uncertain or tired.

940
00:46:59,660 --> 00:47:02,780
S3: The doubts you're carrying don't cancel out your strengths, your kindness,

941
00:47:02,780 --> 00:47:05,379
S3: or the impact you've had on people, many of which

942
00:47:05,380 --> 00:47:07,939
S3: you probably don't even see. You're allowed to take up

943
00:47:07,940 --> 00:47:10,700
S3: space to grow at your own pace, and to still

944
00:47:10,700 --> 00:47:13,620
S3: be worthy while you're figuring things out. You are not

945
00:47:14,100 --> 00:47:18,259
S3: broken or lacking. You are human, and that is already enough.

946
00:47:20,580 --> 00:47:21,060
S4: Whoa.

947
00:47:21,940 --> 00:47:22,860
S3: Interesting, right?

948
00:47:22,900 --> 00:47:23,940
S2: Okay, interesting.

949
00:47:24,140 --> 00:47:24,500
S4: Hmm.

950
00:47:25,620 --> 00:47:29,890
S3: So what did you hear in that response. And what

951
00:47:29,890 --> 00:47:30,850
S3: did you not hear?

952
00:47:32,010 --> 00:47:32,530
S2: Well.

953
00:47:33,370 --> 00:47:37,250
S3: I heard first affirm what what what we could agree

954
00:47:37,250 --> 00:47:38,089
S3: with out of that.

955
00:47:38,130 --> 00:47:41,529
S2: Yeah, absolutely. Uh, that you don't have to be perfect

956
00:47:42,050 --> 00:47:44,850
S2: to be enough. That was something that I heard. Yeah.

957
00:47:45,610 --> 00:47:46,890
S3: You don't have to prove yourself.

958
00:47:46,930 --> 00:47:49,410
S2: You don't have to prove yourself anything.

959
00:47:49,410 --> 00:47:51,090
S3: You that caught your ear. Diana.

960
00:47:51,090 --> 00:47:54,450
S4: It was. Ah, when they said you're human. How they

961
00:47:54,489 --> 00:47:56,010
S4: closed it. You're human.

962
00:47:56,050 --> 00:47:56,690
S3: You're human.

963
00:47:56,969 --> 00:47:57,930
S4: And that's enough.

964
00:47:58,770 --> 00:48:01,010
S3: So there's there's language that.

965
00:48:01,050 --> 00:48:01,530
S4: Yeah.

966
00:48:01,570 --> 00:48:04,890
S3: I think has become popularized because it's rooted in a

967
00:48:04,890 --> 00:48:07,850
S3: desire to answer this question in a way that is

968
00:48:07,850 --> 00:48:11,610
S3: kind of outside of me that like, I have value.

969
00:48:11,650 --> 00:48:15,250
S3: It's it's because we're hardwired to to want an answer

970
00:48:15,250 --> 00:48:20,250
S3: to this question. Yes. And so my humanness, my showing up,

971
00:48:20,290 --> 00:48:26,970
S3: my taking up space, my intrinsic value, my worthiness, it's close.

972
00:48:27,810 --> 00:48:28,810
S2: Oh, yeah. It's really.

973
00:48:28,810 --> 00:48:29,090
S4: Close.

974
00:48:29,130 --> 00:48:32,090
S3: It's real. It's almost there. But not.

975
00:48:32,130 --> 00:48:32,650
S4: Quite.

976
00:48:32,690 --> 00:48:33,210
S2: No.

977
00:48:33,850 --> 00:48:36,330
S3: Because the problem is when those things just kind of

978
00:48:36,370 --> 00:48:41,450
S3: exist out here but aren't, like, rooted in a person, right?

979
00:48:41,810 --> 00:48:46,170
S3: Who gives me that worthiness, that value, that sense of

980
00:48:46,610 --> 00:48:50,890
S3: you're okay, then it's just it sounds nice, but it

981
00:48:50,890 --> 00:48:52,130
S3: doesn't mean anything.

982
00:48:52,170 --> 00:48:56,890
S2: Well, that's exactly right, because the one thing I didn't

983
00:48:56,890 --> 00:49:01,610
S2: hear is what you're enough for. What are you enough for?

984
00:49:01,650 --> 00:49:03,570
S2: What are we even? You know, am I enough? What's

985
00:49:03,570 --> 00:49:08,569
S2: that question? You know, we want ultimately, we want to

986
00:49:08,610 --> 00:49:14,290
S2: know that we are enough for something greater than us.

987
00:49:15,210 --> 00:49:15,650
S4: Yeah.

988
00:49:16,090 --> 00:49:18,689
S3: We want to believe that our life has value, that

989
00:49:18,690 --> 00:49:22,730
S3: we matter regardless of our level of attractiveness, our talent,

990
00:49:22,730 --> 00:49:27,370
S3: our success, our number of friends. Our amount of money.

991
00:49:27,890 --> 00:49:29,730
S3: I need to know. You need to know that who

992
00:49:29,730 --> 00:49:33,210
S3: I am, with or without all the window dressing is enough.

993
00:49:34,170 --> 00:49:36,850
S3: So let's go to the Word of God coming up

994
00:49:36,850 --> 00:49:38,489
S3: and we will answer that question.

995
00:49:39,570 --> 00:49:42,649
S1: This is Colonel and crew on Moody Radio.

996
00:49:43,130 --> 00:49:46,089
S3: One of the most beautiful passages of Scripture, and there's

997
00:49:46,090 --> 00:49:48,569
S3: so many to pick from. But if you look at

998
00:49:48,570 --> 00:49:52,050
S3: Psalm 139, maybe this is a familiar passage for you.

999
00:49:53,370 --> 00:49:56,410
S3: For you formed my inward parts. You knitted me together

1000
00:49:56,410 --> 00:49:59,529
S3: in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am

1001
00:49:59,530 --> 00:50:03,970
S3: fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works. My soul

1002
00:50:03,969 --> 00:50:07,330
S3: knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from

1003
00:50:07,330 --> 00:50:10,010
S3: you when I was being made in secret, intricately woven

1004
00:50:10,010 --> 00:50:12,930
S3: in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my

1005
00:50:12,930 --> 00:50:16,610
S3: unformed substance. And your book were written, every one of them.

1006
00:50:16,850 --> 00:50:20,570
S3: The days that were formed for me, when as yet

1007
00:50:20,570 --> 00:50:25,570
S3: there were none, Speaks of intention. It speaks of design.

1008
00:50:26,610 --> 00:50:30,530
S3: We answer this question that is common. It's it pops

1009
00:50:30,530 --> 00:50:34,330
S3: up in various forms, but ultimately it's am I enough?

1010
00:50:35,050 --> 00:50:37,130
S3: And the answer is sort of twofold, as I really

1011
00:50:37,130 --> 00:50:40,530
S3: I really spent some time thinking about this, like, what

1012
00:50:40,530 --> 00:50:43,210
S3: is the answer to that question? Because I think there's

1013
00:50:43,210 --> 00:50:46,010
S3: two different ways to look at it. And if you

1014
00:50:46,450 --> 00:50:52,410
S3: are speaking of our design, the intention he has for us,

1015
00:50:52,850 --> 00:50:57,009
S3: the creation of us, then I think the answer is

1016
00:50:57,010 --> 00:50:59,649
S3: a resounding yes, I am enough.

1017
00:50:59,930 --> 00:51:00,529
S2: Absolutely.

1018
00:51:00,570 --> 00:51:04,969
S3: As he designed me, as he made me, his intention

1019
00:51:04,969 --> 00:51:09,250
S3: for me being good. Yep, there's I'm enough, right?

1020
00:51:09,250 --> 00:51:11,810
S4: Because I think we need to be careful comparing saying

1021
00:51:11,810 --> 00:51:15,609
S4: I'm enough. I didn't say I'm perfected. I just said

1022
00:51:15,610 --> 00:51:17,890
S4: I'm enough or Christ would not have gone to the

1023
00:51:17,890 --> 00:51:18,610
S4: cross for me.

1024
00:51:18,650 --> 00:51:21,970
S3: Exactly. But here's the second part to that. And you ever,

1025
00:51:22,370 --> 00:51:24,850
S3: you ever had a time where you asked a question

1026
00:51:25,170 --> 00:51:29,730
S3: kind of like knowing what you the expected answer was.

1027
00:51:30,250 --> 00:51:32,489
S3: You asked it anyway and you didn't get the response

1028
00:51:32,489 --> 00:51:33,690
S3: you were you were wanting.

1029
00:51:34,370 --> 00:51:35,490
S4: Yeah, many times.

1030
00:51:35,930 --> 00:51:38,049
S3: I remember getting a new dress and I was I

1031
00:51:38,050 --> 00:51:41,010
S3: was kind of excited about it. And, you know, I

1032
00:51:41,050 --> 00:51:45,090
S3: tried it on and I made the mistake of asking

1033
00:51:45,090 --> 00:51:48,250
S3: my son, who at the time was probably, I don't know,

1034
00:51:48,250 --> 00:51:52,330
S3: 9 or 10. So no filter and full on honesty.

1035
00:51:52,370 --> 00:51:54,370
S3: And I was like, hey, what do you think of

1036
00:51:54,370 --> 00:51:56,689
S3: this dress? And he looks at me, kind of turns

1037
00:51:56,690 --> 00:52:00,210
S3: his head sideways. He's like, kind of looks like something

1038
00:52:00,210 --> 00:52:01,330
S3: grandma would wear.

1039
00:52:01,969 --> 00:52:02,569
S4: Okay.

1040
00:52:02,730 --> 00:52:05,089
S3: He's like, it doesn't look good. And that.

1041
00:52:05,090 --> 00:52:06,009
S2: Was hilarious.

1042
00:52:06,010 --> 00:52:09,490
S3: I was like, oh, ouch. Okay. Well, I guess I

1043
00:52:09,489 --> 00:52:13,529
S3: did ask. And so part two of this, am I

1044
00:52:13,530 --> 00:52:16,169
S3: enough is kind of like that. And and so it's

1045
00:52:16,170 --> 00:52:22,330
S3: like creation design intention, yes. But when you look at

1046
00:52:22,330 --> 00:52:27,450
S3: my present condition, sense of purpose, eternal future, then the

1047
00:52:27,450 --> 00:52:29,009
S3: answer is no.

1048
00:52:29,610 --> 00:52:30,290
S2: That's correct.

1049
00:52:30,330 --> 00:52:35,090
S3: I'm. I'm not enough. I can't save myself. You can't

1050
00:52:35,090 --> 00:52:38,250
S3: save yourself. You cannot make yourself not sinful.

1051
00:52:38,290 --> 00:52:41,330
S2: Exactly. And there's no such thing as I'm a. You know,

1052
00:52:41,370 --> 00:52:43,290
S2: I've been a good enough person.

1053
00:52:43,330 --> 00:52:43,770
S3: Exactly.

1054
00:52:43,810 --> 00:52:46,730
S2: No, exactly. ChatGPT was like, ah, you don't even know

1055
00:52:46,730 --> 00:52:47,930
S2: the impact you've made.

1056
00:52:47,969 --> 00:52:50,370
S3: Exactly. Well, what if I've made a terrible impact?

1057
00:52:50,410 --> 00:52:53,730
S2: Exactly. The. Well, even if you made somewhat of a,

1058
00:52:53,770 --> 00:52:57,250
S2: you know, a charitable impact in life or a decent

1059
00:52:57,250 --> 00:53:01,050
S2: impact in life for your family remembers you fondly, you

1060
00:53:01,530 --> 00:53:07,010
S2: cannot be good enough to make it on your own.

1061
00:53:07,050 --> 00:53:11,609
S3: Exactly. And so that's where the ChatGPT answer falls woefully

1062
00:53:11,610 --> 00:53:16,490
S3: short is because it only speaks to, and obviously it's

1063
00:53:16,489 --> 00:53:20,089
S3: not a christocentric response. So that's the first problem. But

1064
00:53:20,090 --> 00:53:22,770
S3: the second problem is that it's rooted totally in this

1065
00:53:22,770 --> 00:53:26,529
S3: first part, that the design of me, my very existence,

1066
00:53:26,530 --> 00:53:30,130
S3: my presence here on earth, all of that was intended.

1067
00:53:30,330 --> 00:53:32,529
S3: And so I am enough. But it stopped short. It

1068
00:53:32,530 --> 00:53:35,050
S3: doesn't answer the second part of that question. Well what now?

1069
00:53:35,250 --> 00:53:39,250
S3: Like so I'm here. God wanted me here. But like,

1070
00:53:39,250 --> 00:53:42,210
S3: what do I do with myself? My sinfulness, my desire

1071
00:53:42,210 --> 00:53:45,610
S3: to live a life of purpose, my desire ultimately to

1072
00:53:45,650 --> 00:53:49,730
S3: spend eternity with a God who loves me? Well, I'm

1073
00:53:49,770 --> 00:53:52,770
S3: not enough. I can't do those things for myself. And

1074
00:53:52,810 --> 00:53:55,009
S3: the great news is. And I see where you know

1075
00:53:55,010 --> 00:53:56,050
S3: where this is going, right?

1076
00:53:56,050 --> 00:54:00,170
S2: Yeah. The great news is, is that God is enough. Yeah.

1077
00:54:00,210 --> 00:54:02,489
S2: That's the question we ask. Yeah. I think that this

1078
00:54:02,489 --> 00:54:05,649
S2: is so important because, yeah, we can we can maybe

1079
00:54:05,650 --> 00:54:07,810
S2: even make ourselves feel good a little bit with, oh yeah,

1080
00:54:07,810 --> 00:54:10,850
S2: I am, I am enough to be here. But then

1081
00:54:10,890 --> 00:54:13,569
S2: why am I here? Like the questions just keep coming

1082
00:54:13,570 --> 00:54:17,169
S2: and they can't be answered in and of ourselves. I've

1083
00:54:17,170 --> 00:54:20,089
S2: always said, like, if I didn't believe in God, I'd

1084
00:54:20,130 --> 00:54:23,370
S2: be a nihilist. Which is the definition of a nihilist

1085
00:54:23,370 --> 00:54:25,730
S2: is that life has no meaning, you know, just go

1086
00:54:25,730 --> 00:54:28,730
S2: and do what you can before you pass, because there's

1087
00:54:28,730 --> 00:54:31,410
S2: no there's no purpose of being here. Even the good

1088
00:54:31,410 --> 00:54:35,130
S2: things that we can do if if there's no God, well,

1089
00:54:35,170 --> 00:54:38,009
S2: that's just for a time. And then eventually someone will

1090
00:54:38,010 --> 00:54:42,930
S2: forget our name. But with God, everything changes. Our purpose changes.

1091
00:54:42,930 --> 00:54:46,330
S2: The reason why we're here changes. We were made for him,

1092
00:54:46,650 --> 00:54:50,410
S2: and he was enough for us. Because we aren't enough.

1093
00:54:50,610 --> 00:54:54,290
S2: He sent his son to come and live a life

1094
00:54:54,290 --> 00:54:57,650
S2: that is perfect. The perfect that we can't be and

1095
00:54:57,650 --> 00:55:00,250
S2: die the death. Pay the price that we couldn't pay

1096
00:55:00,610 --> 00:55:03,890
S2: so that we can be with him. I was just

1097
00:55:03,930 --> 00:55:08,250
S2: reading Matthew 26, where Jesus is giving the Last Supper

1098
00:55:08,410 --> 00:55:12,489
S2: and the communion. He says, drink this cup. My blood

1099
00:55:12,489 --> 00:55:16,650
S2: is the covenant between God and man when his blood

1100
00:55:16,650 --> 00:55:20,969
S2: was spilled. That was God's promise to us saying, because

1101
00:55:20,969 --> 00:55:25,410
S2: of this, I am with you. If you believe and

1102
00:55:25,410 --> 00:55:29,009
S2: follow the one who spilled his blood. We have a

1103
00:55:29,010 --> 00:55:30,569
S2: covenant that can't be broken.

1104
00:55:30,930 --> 00:55:35,410
S3: Yeah. John 112 says, but to all who did receive him,

1105
00:55:35,810 --> 00:55:39,250
S3: who believed in his name, he gave the right to

1106
00:55:39,290 --> 00:55:42,650
S3: become children of God who were born not of blood,

1107
00:55:42,890 --> 00:55:44,609
S3: nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the

1108
00:55:44,610 --> 00:55:48,770
S3: will of man, but of God. When we are given

1109
00:55:48,770 --> 00:55:51,370
S3: the right to become children of God, when that becomes

1110
00:55:51,370 --> 00:55:54,970
S3: our status, then all of a sudden it doesn't make

1111
00:55:54,969 --> 00:55:59,890
S3: life easy. But those questions of meaning and purpose and significance,

1112
00:55:59,890 --> 00:56:04,489
S3: all of those things are answered. And that's the good news, right?

1113
00:56:05,370 --> 00:56:06,330
S2: That's the good news.

1114
00:56:06,450 --> 00:56:10,690
S3: That no, we're not enough. But in Christ we are,

1115
00:56:10,850 --> 00:56:12,370
S3: because he is enough.