1 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,600 S1: The attacker struck from behind, bashing Max on the back 2 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,520 S1: of the head, a blow sufficient to give him a concussion. Shockingly, 3 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,680 S1: this assault took place in broad daylight at a popular 4 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:24,160 S1: American university. Why was Max attacked? Simply because he was Jewish. 5 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,880 S1: Straight ahead a disturbing first hand account of anti-Semitic violence 6 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,960 S1: in America from Moody Radio. This is the land and 7 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,200 S1: the book. I'm John Gager saying thanks for connecting. Our 8 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,640 S1: host is a lifelong student of the Middle East, Doctor 9 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:38,920 S1: Charlie Dyer. Good to see your face, Charlie. 10 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,000 S2: John, it's always great seeing you. 11 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,120 S1: Hey. 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It's almost summer and that signals 30 00:01:41,390 --> 00:01:45,350 S1: the start of numerous archaeological digs throughout the Middle East. 31 00:01:45,590 --> 00:01:48,830 S1: After several years of disruptions because of Covid and war, 32 00:01:49,150 --> 00:01:52,630 S1: many digs are hoping to return to normal. Finally, and 33 00:01:52,630 --> 00:01:55,750 S1: to help garner interest for volunteers, several sites have begun 34 00:01:55,750 --> 00:01:58,780 S1: issuing reports and updates. So today, what do you say 35 00:01:58,780 --> 00:02:01,860 S1: we focus on some of these recent discoveries and reports 36 00:02:01,980 --> 00:02:04,540 S1: in our current events segment? And we're beginning at the 37 00:02:04,540 --> 00:02:08,019 S1: City of David, where several new discoveries have surfaced. What's 38 00:02:08,020 --> 00:02:10,100 S1: the latest from this strategic site, Charlie? 39 00:02:10,419 --> 00:02:14,820 S2: Well, chronologically, there are three significant discoveries. In the first, 40 00:02:14,820 --> 00:02:18,619 S2: archaeologists uncovered sections of the eastern wall of the city 41 00:02:18,620 --> 00:02:22,740 S2: of David, extending for just over 650ft. That date back 42 00:02:22,740 --> 00:02:25,980 S2: to the First Temple period. Now following the city's capture 43 00:02:25,980 --> 00:02:30,620 S2: in 586 BC. Second Kings 25 says the Babylonians tore 44 00:02:30,660 --> 00:02:34,419 S2: down the walls of Jerusalem on every side. But apparently 45 00:02:34,419 --> 00:02:36,860 S2: here on the eastern slopes of the city of David, 46 00:02:36,860 --> 00:02:39,460 S2: they weren't able to tear it all down completely. The 47 00:02:39,460 --> 00:02:41,940 S2: hillsides at a steep angle, and much of the rubble 48 00:02:41,940 --> 00:02:45,139 S2: from up above tumbled down and covered the lower courses 49 00:02:45,139 --> 00:02:48,500 S2: of stones. When Nehemiah examined the walls by night, he 50 00:02:48,500 --> 00:02:50,739 S2: had to dismount and walk up the valley by foot. 51 00:02:50,740 --> 00:02:53,299 S2: Because of all the rubble. And now part of the 52 00:02:53,300 --> 00:02:57,490 S2: wall that's been uncovered can be seen moving from Old 53 00:02:57,530 --> 00:03:00,890 S2: Testament times to the Intertestamental period. Two gold rings were 54 00:03:00,889 --> 00:03:04,490 S2: discovered in excavations over the past year at the Givati 55 00:03:04,530 --> 00:03:07,530 S2: parking lot. The rings date to the late third or 56 00:03:07,530 --> 00:03:11,450 S2: early second century BC, during the Hellenistic period, and were 57 00:03:11,450 --> 00:03:14,730 S2: found in the foundation of a large building. The archaeologists 58 00:03:14,730 --> 00:03:18,450 S2: believe the rings set with red gemstones, were buried as 59 00:03:18,450 --> 00:03:20,850 S2: part of a coming of age ritual to mark a 60 00:03:20,850 --> 00:03:26,169 S2: youngster ritually leaving childhood behind and transitioning into adulthood. Several 61 00:03:26,169 --> 00:03:28,970 S2: other pieces of bronze jewelry were also discovered in the 62 00:03:28,970 --> 00:03:32,609 S2: same area. The most recent ring just went on display 63 00:03:32,610 --> 00:03:35,890 S2: for the first time on June 5th at a conference 64 00:03:35,890 --> 00:03:40,450 S2: hosted by the Israel Antiquities Authority, and finally moving into 65 00:03:40,450 --> 00:03:44,130 S2: the New Testament era. Work continues on the so-called Pilgrim 66 00:03:44,130 --> 00:03:47,050 S2: roadway from the Pool of Siloam to the Temple Mount. 67 00:03:47,330 --> 00:03:50,090 S2: Part of the roadway is already available for tourists, and 68 00:03:50,090 --> 00:03:52,890 S2: they're now working to open up the rest. The roadway 69 00:03:52,890 --> 00:03:58,320 S2: itself is about 16ft underground and extends for 2000ft, and 70 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:02,080 S2: its width varies between 27ft and down near the Pool 71 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,800 S2: of Siloam. Extends up to 98ft wide. Wow. I've walked 72 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,360 S2: on most of that roadway, including the parts not yet 73 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,680 S2: open to the public. And it really is amazing. It's 74 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:16,360 S2: one spot that definitely transports you back 2000 years in history. 75 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,440 S2: To walk on a road that looks almost brand new. 76 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,440 S2: The entire City of David is one giant excavation that 77 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,800 S2: continues to offer new surprises, and people who go there 78 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,040 S2: will really appreciate it. 79 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,880 S1: Boy, that sounds exciting. Our second story takes us from 80 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,479 S1: Jerusalem to Samaria, the ancient capital of the northern Kingdom 81 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,960 S1: of Israel. Relatively few tourists ever get there, Charlie. So 82 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,000 S1: what's happening at this strategic site? 83 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,440 S2: Well, a new archaeological dig has just begun at the site, 84 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,640 S2: just in a matter of the past few weeks. Samaria, 85 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,640 S2: also known as Sebastia at the time of Herod the Great, 86 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:54,060 S2: is a fascinating site. It was first excavated back in 1908. Eight. 87 00:04:54,260 --> 00:04:59,060 S2: Subsequent excavations uncovered the royal palace and other notable structures 88 00:04:59,060 --> 00:05:03,420 S2: from the time of Omri and Ahab, including over 12,000 89 00:05:03,420 --> 00:05:07,380 S2: fragments of carved ivory used to adorn walls and pieces 90 00:05:07,380 --> 00:05:11,500 S2: of furniture. Those pieces of ivory illustrate Amos's words of 91 00:05:11,500 --> 00:05:15,140 S2: judgment against Samaria in Amos chapter three, where he said 92 00:05:15,140 --> 00:05:19,060 S2: the houses adorned with ivory will be destroyed. And indeed, 93 00:05:19,060 --> 00:05:22,380 S2: that's what archaeologists found happened. The location of the Old 94 00:05:22,460 --> 00:05:26,060 S2: Testament palace later became the spot where Herod the Great 95 00:05:26,060 --> 00:05:29,980 S2: constructed a massive temple with a large stairway still leading 96 00:05:29,980 --> 00:05:32,860 S2: up to the entrance, and two churches were built at 97 00:05:32,860 --> 00:05:36,180 S2: the site during the Byzantine era. Both connected with, of 98 00:05:36,180 --> 00:05:39,700 S2: all people, John the Baptist. But much of the site 99 00:05:39,700 --> 00:05:43,220 S2: has never been excavated. The current dig is beginning at 100 00:05:43,220 --> 00:05:46,060 S2: the ancient city gate, and is expected to expand in 101 00:05:46,060 --> 00:05:49,820 S2: the coming months toward the location of the Israelite royal palace. 102 00:05:50,060 --> 00:05:53,850 S2: They've already discovered part of a ceremonial street leading from 103 00:05:53,850 --> 00:05:56,770 S2: the gate toward the center of the city. The plan 104 00:05:56,770 --> 00:05:59,610 S2: is to make the site a national park, to conserve 105 00:05:59,610 --> 00:06:02,810 S2: and restore what's already been uncovered, and to upgrade the 106 00:06:02,810 --> 00:06:06,650 S2: infrastructure to make it more accessible to tourists. The plans 107 00:06:06,650 --> 00:06:10,809 S2: for excavation and restoration have created some political tension since 108 00:06:10,810 --> 00:06:14,450 S2: this site is claimed by both Israel and the Palestinians. However, 109 00:06:14,450 --> 00:06:17,530 S2: the site's connection with the northern Kingdom of Israel and 110 00:06:17,529 --> 00:06:21,210 S2: with Herod the Great definitely link it to Israel's biblical 111 00:06:21,210 --> 00:06:24,210 S2: and cultural heritage, and the site is in the area 112 00:06:24,210 --> 00:06:27,810 S2: placed under Israeli control in the Oslo Accords. Now, I've 113 00:06:27,810 --> 00:06:29,450 S2: not been to the site for several years, but I 114 00:06:29,450 --> 00:06:31,570 S2: want to tell you it is an amazing site and 115 00:06:31,570 --> 00:06:32,810 S2: it's one worth visiting. 116 00:06:33,050 --> 00:06:35,810 S1: You're listening to The Land and the book from Moody Radio. 117 00:06:35,850 --> 00:06:39,210 S1: Our host, Doctor Charlie Dyer, noted Old Testament scholar, Middle 118 00:06:39,250 --> 00:06:42,090 S1: East Authority. I'm John Gager. And we're taking a look 119 00:06:42,089 --> 00:06:45,650 S1: at archaeological digs going on right now this summer in 120 00:06:45,650 --> 00:06:49,409 S1: the Middle East, moving from Israel to Iraq. Excavations have 121 00:06:49,410 --> 00:06:53,080 S1: resumed in Mosul, the location of the ancient city of Nineveh. 122 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,880 S1: Just a few years ago, it was controlled by ISIS, 123 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,200 S1: who destroyed many of its priceless artifacts. But now a 124 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:03,000 S1: monumental relief has been uncovered. What exactly was found and 125 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,520 S1: why is it so significant? 126 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,799 S2: Well, the relief is of Assyrian king Ashurbanipal, flanked by 127 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:13,280 S2: several Assyrian deities. Now, Ashurbanipal was the last great king 128 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:18,000 S2: of the Assyrian Empire. He reigned from 669 to 631 BC. 129 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,160 S2: He defeated the Egyptians and destroyed the city of Thebes, 130 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,680 S2: which is modern day Karnak and Luxor. He also defeated 131 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,440 S2: his brother, whom his father had placed on the throne 132 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,560 S2: in Babylon, and recaptured that city. He left many carved 133 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,480 S2: reliefs from his reign, usually depicting military victories and brutal 134 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,480 S2: images of torture. Now, following his death, the Assyrian empire 135 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,880 S2: rapidly collapsed. Nineveh itself was destroyed by the Babylonians in 136 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:48,840 S2: 612 BC. This latest discovery, though broken into fragments, is 137 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:53,310 S2: a 12 ton Relief that originally measured 18ft long and 138 00:07:53,310 --> 00:07:56,470 S2: ten feet tall, and was placed in a niche across 139 00:07:56,470 --> 00:07:59,270 S2: from the throne room in his palace. At the center 140 00:07:59,270 --> 00:08:01,790 S2: of the relief is the king, flanked by a serious 141 00:08:01,790 --> 00:08:05,790 S2: two main gods, Ashur and Ishtar. The find is significant 142 00:08:05,790 --> 00:08:09,190 S2: both for its size and for its final location. The 143 00:08:09,190 --> 00:08:12,870 S2: Assyrians carved these reliefs to convey power and grandeur, and 144 00:08:12,870 --> 00:08:16,390 S2: that's how Ashurbanipal wanted to be seen, especially flanked by 145 00:08:16,390 --> 00:08:19,350 S2: the primary gods of Nineveh. But the fact that the 146 00:08:19,350 --> 00:08:23,190 S2: relief was broken into pieces and buried is an illustration 147 00:08:23,190 --> 00:08:26,070 S2: of God's words against Nineveh. In the book of Nahum 148 00:08:26,070 --> 00:08:29,110 S2: he said, I will destroy the carved images and cast idols. 149 00:08:29,110 --> 00:08:32,230 S2: I will prepare your grave, for you are vile. And 150 00:08:32,230 --> 00:08:35,150 S2: that's exactly what happened to this image of the King 151 00:08:35,150 --> 00:08:38,030 S2: and his gods that has just been uncovered. 152 00:08:38,070 --> 00:08:39,750 S1: So, Charlie, you've mentioned a couple of times it was 153 00:08:39,750 --> 00:08:43,150 S1: broken into pieces. Is that like, you know, pea gravel? Uh, 154 00:08:43,230 --> 00:08:45,670 S1: you know, and have they sort of glued the pieces 155 00:08:45,670 --> 00:08:48,110 S1: back together? How big are those hunks and what is 156 00:08:48,110 --> 00:08:48,990 S1: their condition? 157 00:08:49,260 --> 00:08:51,580 S2: Yeah, they are definitely bigger than pea gravel. Uh, it 158 00:08:51,580 --> 00:08:53,740 S2: looks like they put it into several 3 or 4 159 00:08:53,740 --> 00:08:57,900 S2: major pieces. So these pieces are not small or insignificant. Okay. 160 00:08:57,940 --> 00:09:00,100 S2: But they are being put back together in a way 161 00:09:00,100 --> 00:09:02,340 S2: that conveys what the whole statue was. 162 00:09:02,940 --> 00:09:06,500 S1: Finally heading north into Turkey. A series of news reports 163 00:09:06,540 --> 00:09:11,620 S1: appeared recently announcing that a California group called Noah's Ark Scans, 164 00:09:11,660 --> 00:09:16,300 S1: not scams. Scans was planning the first controlled excavation at 165 00:09:16,300 --> 00:09:18,940 S1: a site in Turkey that they believe might hold the 166 00:09:18,940 --> 00:09:21,780 S1: remains of Noah's Ark. Help us separate fact from fiction 167 00:09:21,780 --> 00:09:24,580 S1: in these reports, because, Charlie, there is so much that's 168 00:09:24,580 --> 00:09:28,420 S1: been swirling for for centuries, if not longer, over the 169 00:09:28,420 --> 00:09:29,700 S1: existence of Noah's Ark. 170 00:09:30,059 --> 00:09:33,339 S2: Yeah. And these news reports and the group's website definitely 171 00:09:33,340 --> 00:09:37,140 S2: aroused interest. The group's goal is to gather archaeological data 172 00:09:37,140 --> 00:09:40,859 S2: to determine whether or not the boat shaped formation discovered 173 00:09:40,860 --> 00:09:43,700 S2: near Mount Ararat could be the remains of a ship. 174 00:09:43,780 --> 00:09:46,620 S2: And of course, they believe that it probably is. But 175 00:09:46,620 --> 00:09:50,090 S2: before you sign up to go? Here's a dose of reality. 176 00:09:50,250 --> 00:09:52,770 S2: In spite of what some of the articles have said, 177 00:09:52,770 --> 00:09:55,929 S2: the group published a statement in April clearly stating that 178 00:09:55,929 --> 00:10:00,370 S2: no excavations are planned for this year. Their current focus remains, 179 00:10:00,370 --> 00:10:05,089 S2: as they would describe it non-invasive scientific investigation and analysis, 180 00:10:05,250 --> 00:10:10,490 S2: and site preservation. Any future excavations will be under Turkish control, 181 00:10:10,730 --> 00:10:13,050 S2: and of course they can modify the project as they 182 00:10:13,090 --> 00:10:17,370 S2: deem necessary. Personally, I have my doubts that any excavation 183 00:10:17,370 --> 00:10:20,370 S2: will uncover the remains of Noah's Ark. There are just 184 00:10:20,370 --> 00:10:24,610 S2: too many unanswered details related to this particular site that 185 00:10:24,650 --> 00:10:27,250 S2: raise red flags. Now, the group itself is trying to 186 00:10:27,250 --> 00:10:31,610 S2: be both cautious and forthright in presenting their information, but unfortunately, 187 00:10:31,610 --> 00:10:35,650 S2: the story has been sensationalized in a number of media outlets. 188 00:10:35,650 --> 00:10:38,090 S2: So my best advice in this case. Hang on to 189 00:10:38,090 --> 00:10:42,489 S2: your passport. Don't buy any airline tickets, but bookmark Noah's 190 00:10:42,530 --> 00:10:46,410 S2: Ark scans. Not scams as you said, but scans to 191 00:10:46,450 --> 00:10:48,760 S2: watch for any future progress reports. 192 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:53,000 S1: Fascinating look at archaeology and its excavations and explorations happening 193 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,000 S1: right now in the Middle East. Coming up, a conversation 194 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,040 S1: about America's college campuses. They are intolerant of Jewish people 195 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,640 S1: in many cases. You got to hear it next on 196 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:13,400 S1: the land and the book. On November 6th, 2020, for 197 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:17,280 S1: college students, Michael Kaminski and Max long stood at the 198 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,920 S1: exact spot I'm standing right now on the campus of 199 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,920 S1: Chicago's DePaul University. The two were speaking out in defense 200 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,600 S1: of Israel. Suddenly, both were attacked by two men with 201 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:33,079 S1: face coverings. In the process, Max suffered a brain injury 202 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:37,240 S1: and Michael's wrist was fractured, requiring surgery. You're about to 203 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:44,319 S1: meet one of those students. Welcome to the land and 204 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,459 S1: the book. Segment two. I'm John Gager, and we feel 205 00:11:47,460 --> 00:11:51,939 S1: compelled to share the experience of this very courageous Jewish student. 206 00:11:51,980 --> 00:11:55,020 S1: A story that must be told in all its disturbing details. 207 00:11:55,179 --> 00:11:57,380 S1: We're honored to have in our studio today, Max long. 208 00:11:57,420 --> 00:12:00,020 S1: Thanks for joining us today on the land and the book, Max. 209 00:12:00,140 --> 00:12:01,820 S3: Thank you. John. It's a pleasure to be here. 210 00:12:01,860 --> 00:12:03,579 S1: What are you studying at DePaul, by the way? 211 00:12:03,620 --> 00:12:07,900 S3: So I'm actually a business entrepreneurship major. Um, second year. 212 00:12:08,059 --> 00:12:12,579 S3: I'm sophomore now and going strong. I'm a part time student. Okay. 213 00:12:12,740 --> 00:12:14,980 S3: So taking two courses at a time, and it gives 214 00:12:14,980 --> 00:12:17,380 S3: me the ability to also work on my, my non-profit, 215 00:12:17,380 --> 00:12:20,740 S3: which is something I've been doing as well since 2018. 216 00:12:20,780 --> 00:12:23,619 S1: Okay. You didn't start in Chicago, though. You're originally from. 217 00:12:23,660 --> 00:12:26,980 S3: Grew up in Boston. In 2015, I graduated high school 218 00:12:27,300 --> 00:12:30,180 S3: and made Aliya, which means moved to Israel with the 219 00:12:30,220 --> 00:12:33,100 S3: goal of joining the IDF and which is what I did. 220 00:12:33,140 --> 00:12:35,660 S3: So I'm a dual citizen as well. So my active 221 00:12:35,660 --> 00:12:39,140 S3: service was actually from 2015 to 2018. Yeah. Which a 222 00:12:39,140 --> 00:12:41,979 S3: lot of the time after training, it's a special unit 223 00:12:42,020 --> 00:12:45,329 S3: that deals with explosives, but specifically with tunnels. That was 224 00:12:45,330 --> 00:12:49,209 S3: my team's specialty. So back in 2016, 2017, we were 225 00:12:49,210 --> 00:12:52,090 S3: deployed to the Gaza border, and that is where we 226 00:12:52,090 --> 00:12:55,890 S3: operated to locate cross-border terror tunnels. So terror tunnels that 227 00:12:55,890 --> 00:13:00,650 S3: Hamas would build from houses in Gaza under the border, 228 00:13:00,650 --> 00:13:02,970 S3: sometimes miles under the border, really that. 229 00:13:03,010 --> 00:13:03,330 S1: Far. 230 00:13:03,330 --> 00:13:06,650 S3: In, we would find our team alone, found over ten, 231 00:13:06,850 --> 00:13:09,490 S3: really throughout our our year deployment there. 232 00:13:09,490 --> 00:13:10,290 S1: In one year. 233 00:13:10,290 --> 00:13:13,250 S3: In one year we destroyed them. And when I finished 234 00:13:13,250 --> 00:13:17,010 S3: the Army in 2018, the threat of tunnels was you 235 00:13:17,050 --> 00:13:19,890 S3: stopped hearing about it as much because of all that 236 00:13:19,890 --> 00:13:24,340 S3: had been done to mitigate that issue. And obviously, 2018 237 00:13:24,340 --> 00:13:26,770 S3: to 2023, there was a. 238 00:13:26,770 --> 00:13:28,729 S1: Whole lot of building of new tunnels. 239 00:13:28,770 --> 00:13:31,429 S3: And so one of the things that, you know, between 240 00:13:31,429 --> 00:13:35,530 S3: 2018 and 2023, I was now a released soldier, right? 241 00:13:35,730 --> 00:13:38,170 S3: And so at that point, you joined the reserves. So 242 00:13:38,170 --> 00:13:42,010 S3: my life was living in Israel, helping soldiers specifically, which 243 00:13:42,010 --> 00:13:45,840 S3: is my nonprofit, Growing Wings, and we assist lone soldiers 244 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,760 S3: who are individuals like myself that move from abroad to 245 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,280 S3: Israel to serve in the IDF. 246 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,439 S1: Okay, so October 7th happens. Suddenly you are called up 247 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:55,959 S1: and you're back to tunnels. 248 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,360 S3: Yeah. So at first, you know, the whole army on 249 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:02,640 S3: October 7th was we were surprised. So initially it was 250 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:07,760 S3: take back the bordering communities, these kibbutzim that had been 251 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,960 S3: attacked and invaded by thousands of terrorists. And when I 252 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:16,000 S3: say terrorists, you had Hamas, the Islamic Jihad. You have 253 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,440 S3: all these terrorist factions that work together to organize this 254 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,840 S3: mass terrorist attack. But they also brought a large civilian 255 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,400 S3: population into this mix as well. And some of those 256 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,320 S3: civilians committed some of the worst atrocities on October 7th. 257 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,840 S3: And so it was only on the end of October 258 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,080 S3: that our team initially entered Gaza with the mission of 259 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:40,640 S3: locating and destroying terror tunnels. But obviously, at that time, 260 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,390 S3: we had to be very careful with regards to the hostages. 261 00:14:43,750 --> 00:14:47,390 S3: So we were moving slow, but in a very calculated 262 00:14:47,390 --> 00:14:51,750 S3: way to understand also this intricate network of tunnels, which 263 00:14:51,750 --> 00:14:56,790 S3: is vast and also where our hostages are located. And 264 00:14:56,830 --> 00:15:00,870 S3: our team actually led multiple missions to recover the remains 265 00:15:00,870 --> 00:15:03,750 S3: of Israeli hostages that had been murdered. That was an 266 00:15:03,750 --> 00:15:06,870 S3: extremely difficult operations. And also we lost a few of 267 00:15:06,870 --> 00:15:09,630 S3: our comrades along the way. So it was that was 268 00:15:09,630 --> 00:15:10,390 S3: a tough time. 269 00:15:10,870 --> 00:15:12,510 S1: Today on the land in the book, A visit with 270 00:15:12,510 --> 00:15:15,870 S1: Max long, IDF soldier who was also a student at 271 00:15:15,870 --> 00:15:20,590 S1: DePaul University. Take us to the the day of November 6th, 2024. 272 00:15:20,630 --> 00:15:25,590 S1: You have left Israel. You're now studying at DePaul University. And, uh, 273 00:15:25,670 --> 00:15:27,870 S1: what are you doing with Michael? What's going on? 274 00:15:28,590 --> 00:15:31,350 S3: So when I arrived after ten years of living in Israel, 275 00:15:31,510 --> 00:15:34,310 S3: I enrolled part time at DePaul University. It was at 276 00:15:34,350 --> 00:15:37,550 S3: that time that I witnessed the encampments going on where 277 00:15:37,590 --> 00:15:41,980 S3: students were setting up camp on campus, also outside agitators 278 00:15:41,980 --> 00:15:46,580 S3: and blocking access for Jewish students. And I remember walking around. 279 00:15:46,580 --> 00:15:47,940 S3: No one knew who I was at that point. No 280 00:15:47,940 --> 00:15:49,580 S3: one knew that I served in the IDF. I had 281 00:15:49,580 --> 00:15:51,940 S3: a hood over my head and I was observing. I 282 00:15:51,940 --> 00:15:54,820 S3: wanted to listen what it is that they're chanting, saying, 283 00:15:54,980 --> 00:15:57,740 S3: you know, get an idea of what's going on here. Um, 284 00:15:57,780 --> 00:15:58,979 S3: so understand the landscape. 285 00:15:59,020 --> 00:15:59,740 S1: What did you hear? 286 00:16:00,060 --> 00:16:03,700 S3: The things I heard were, I mean, beyond awful. And 287 00:16:03,700 --> 00:16:05,380 S3: so it was a real shock when I would go 288 00:16:05,380 --> 00:16:08,940 S3: to campus and have people yelling and chanting lies. Just 289 00:16:08,940 --> 00:16:12,420 S3: blatant lies. And I knew that I needed to give 290 00:16:12,540 --> 00:16:16,380 S3: the students who didn't know anything, or didn't necessarily have 291 00:16:16,380 --> 00:16:18,300 S3: much of an opinion on the matter. I needed to 292 00:16:18,300 --> 00:16:21,140 S3: give them a different perspective. So at that point, I 293 00:16:21,140 --> 00:16:22,700 S3: still hadn't found my voice. I ended up going back 294 00:16:22,700 --> 00:16:25,180 S3: to Israel for another round of reserves in Rafah, in 295 00:16:25,180 --> 00:16:29,340 S3: the Philadelphia corridor. That was in May 2024. And I 296 00:16:29,380 --> 00:16:31,420 S3: knew at that point when I got back, you know, 297 00:16:31,460 --> 00:16:34,380 S3: later in the summer that I can't stay silent. And 298 00:16:34,380 --> 00:16:36,780 S3: not just that I can't stay silent. I can't live 299 00:16:36,780 --> 00:16:39,290 S3: in the US if I don't find a way to 300 00:16:39,330 --> 00:16:42,530 S3: start sharing my experiences, and it's not something that I'm 301 00:16:42,530 --> 00:16:45,210 S3: comfortable with. You know, it was really hard. We had 302 00:16:45,210 --> 00:16:48,730 S3: hard experiences. A lot of these things I'm still addressing today, 303 00:16:49,050 --> 00:16:51,450 S3: but I felt it was so important to give an 304 00:16:51,450 --> 00:16:55,370 S3: authentic first hand perspective to those who are hearing nothing 305 00:16:55,370 --> 00:16:59,610 S3: but lies. And so it was actually Rosh Hashanah, the 306 00:16:59,610 --> 00:17:01,530 S3: Jewish New Year, that I went out there for the 307 00:17:01,530 --> 00:17:04,609 S3: first time on campus with apples and honey to represent 308 00:17:04,850 --> 00:17:07,370 S3: the Jewish New Year. And I brought apples and honey. 309 00:17:07,369 --> 00:17:08,690 S3: I thought, you know, this would be a great way 310 00:17:08,690 --> 00:17:11,810 S3: to start having dialogue. Sure. And I wanted to be 311 00:17:11,810 --> 00:17:14,609 S3: seen as a positive force that isn't someone coming to 312 00:17:14,650 --> 00:17:18,010 S3: agitate or be aggressive, because that's what they're looking for. 313 00:17:18,050 --> 00:17:21,169 S3: And I noticed that many times in my weekly, you know, 314 00:17:21,210 --> 00:17:24,209 S3: my weekly sessions there, I knew that the people that 315 00:17:24,210 --> 00:17:27,770 S3: would come up to me and just yell and scream and, 316 00:17:27,810 --> 00:17:29,810 S3: you know, just accuse me of things I didn't do. 317 00:17:30,170 --> 00:17:32,930 S3: It was those that I'm never going to change their mind. Right. 318 00:17:32,970 --> 00:17:35,290 S3: And I knew that. And what I knew in that 319 00:17:35,290 --> 00:17:38,600 S3: moment was it's all about my composure. how calm I am, 320 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,880 S3: because I'm not going to change their minds. But all 321 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,439 S3: of the people standing around just watching are looking at me. Correct? 322 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,399 S3: They're waiting to see is this IDF soldier going to 323 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,760 S3: fit the stigma? Are they going to fit everything that 324 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,480 S3: we've heard up until now about this aggressive quote, baby killer, 325 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,480 S3: Zionist pig? All of these things that they would hear 326 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,280 S3: constantly at these rallies, they wanted to see if that 327 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,600 S3: is going to be true. And so I would stand 328 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,360 S3: there in the most calm and composed way. I would even, like, 329 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,919 S3: slouch a bit so I wouldn't look too aggressive or, 330 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,440 S3: or like very intense. And I would always, no matter 331 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,280 S3: what the person said to me, they could tell me 332 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,000 S3: that I want to see you and your family dead. 333 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:14,560 S3: And I would still put my hand out to shake 334 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,239 S3: theirs because, you know, one, I need people to see 335 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,000 S3: me as a positive force. Yes. That's number one. Number 336 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,480 S3: two is if we can't have these conversations here, thousands 337 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,480 S3: of miles away from where this conflict is actually taking place, 338 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,880 S3: then we're never going to get anywhere over there. And 339 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,720 S3: that was the narrative. It's we need to have this 340 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,080 S3: dialogue and not just be in our separate bubbles and worlds. 341 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,629 S3: And I'm open to having dialogue with anyone that's ready to. 342 00:18:37,750 --> 00:18:37,990 S1: Sure. 343 00:18:38,030 --> 00:18:38,990 S3: Sure, sure. Talk to me. 344 00:18:39,230 --> 00:18:42,350 S1: Okay, but November 6th happens. You're out there, you're talking, 345 00:18:42,630 --> 00:18:46,869 S1: and suddenly two masked men. What did they just ran 346 00:18:46,869 --> 00:18:48,670 S1: into you? Did they give you any hint that anything 347 00:18:48,830 --> 00:18:49,470 S1: was going on? 348 00:18:49,470 --> 00:18:52,710 S3: So it was actually one individual who we now know 349 00:18:52,710 --> 00:18:56,629 S3: his name, Adam Arkin, who is in custody. But he 350 00:18:56,830 --> 00:19:00,710 S3: approached me from the front, walked up to me, had 351 00:19:00,710 --> 00:19:02,990 S3: a ski mask on, and I it was it was strange. 352 00:19:02,990 --> 00:19:05,030 S3: He was wearing a ski mask and a t shirt. 353 00:19:05,070 --> 00:19:07,670 S3: You don't see that every day. But you know, I'm 354 00:19:07,670 --> 00:19:09,750 S3: there for the purpose of dialogue. And one of the 355 00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:11,430 S3: things that I would always do is I would need 356 00:19:11,430 --> 00:19:14,469 S3: to gauge who I'm talking to in every conversation. You know, 357 00:19:14,510 --> 00:19:16,429 S3: I can't just start by saying what I want to say. 358 00:19:16,470 --> 00:19:18,510 S3: I have to understand who it is I'm talking to. Right. 359 00:19:18,550 --> 00:19:21,710 S3: So he came right up, asked me questions so I 360 00:19:21,710 --> 00:19:23,470 S3: would answer, and then I would kind of ask him 361 00:19:23,470 --> 00:19:25,350 S3: a question or I'd say, hey, can you take your 362 00:19:25,350 --> 00:19:27,830 S3: mask off so we can have a real conversation? You know, 363 00:19:27,869 --> 00:19:30,670 S3: it's to be more personable. And I was just there 364 00:19:30,670 --> 00:19:33,150 S3: trying to gauge what is he doing here. And is 365 00:19:33,150 --> 00:19:36,690 S3: this for is his intent to have dialogue or violence. 366 00:19:36,930 --> 00:19:39,210 S3: And so I kind of had taken a step back. 367 00:19:39,410 --> 00:19:42,330 S3: You can see like I was really trying to gauge 368 00:19:42,330 --> 00:19:44,369 S3: where he was going with this. And we spoke for 369 00:19:44,369 --> 00:19:47,369 S3: almost five minutes. He even shook my hand about a 370 00:19:47,369 --> 00:19:50,010 S3: minute in. And that's a big indicator for me that 371 00:19:50,010 --> 00:19:52,250 S3: this person actually might be ready to have dialogue. 372 00:19:52,290 --> 00:19:52,930 S1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 373 00:19:52,970 --> 00:19:55,290 S3: But, you know, looking back, it was just his way 374 00:19:55,290 --> 00:19:58,450 S3: of also distracting me. And Michael was standing to my 375 00:19:58,450 --> 00:20:01,770 S3: side a couple feet away from me. And really, what 376 00:20:01,810 --> 00:20:04,530 S3: Adam with that first attacker was doing was pulling my 377 00:20:04,530 --> 00:20:07,770 S3: attention away and even getting me to turn a bit 378 00:20:08,010 --> 00:20:11,210 S3: to prepare for his friend to come up from behind me. And, 379 00:20:11,530 --> 00:20:13,090 S3: you know, he struck me in the back of the head. 380 00:20:13,130 --> 00:20:15,650 S3: And it was at that point, I believe, I hit 381 00:20:15,650 --> 00:20:18,130 S3: my face. And, you know, was I was out and 382 00:20:18,130 --> 00:20:20,090 S3: they continued the assault while I was on the ground. 383 00:20:20,170 --> 00:20:22,570 S3: And this was in between classes. So you have a 384 00:20:22,570 --> 00:20:24,810 S3: lot of students that are walking in between, you know, 385 00:20:24,850 --> 00:20:27,490 S3: to class and also a public safety officer that was 386 00:20:27,490 --> 00:20:29,689 S3: pretty much right behind us at the entrance of the 387 00:20:29,810 --> 00:20:33,409 S3: student center. And so the idea that when that happened, 388 00:20:33,609 --> 00:20:37,080 S3: it was like this disperse of everyone that was around. 389 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:37,640 S1: They just all. 390 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,040 S3: Left. Everyone just dispersed. What about for Michael? 391 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,040 S1: What about the security officer? 392 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,080 S3: Security officer? Look, I was I was I was out, 393 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,400 S3: so I can't say for certain anyone's, you know, movements 394 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,320 S3: at that point. All I can say is Michael was 395 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,280 S3: the only person to come to my aid. Um. And he. 396 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,439 S3: His attempt to come to my aid made him a 397 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,520 S3: target as well. Um, and that's when Adam Arkin, the 398 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,199 S3: who's in custody, he actually turned his assault to Michael. And, 399 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,040 S3: you know, I always say, and if Michael was here, 400 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,480 S3: I'd say this to him, too. If Michael wasn't there, 401 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,600 S3: if no one had even tried to intervene. The idea 402 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,760 S3: that I would have two of these attackers on me 403 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,640 S3: while I'm in a defenseless position on the ground, who 404 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,560 S3: knows how far they would have taken that. So I'm lucky. 405 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,000 S3: I'm lucky to be here. I'm lucky to be. To 406 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,160 S3: be able to be sharing what happened. 407 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,840 S1: Today on the land. In the book, we're talking with 408 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,880 S1: Max long, a student from DePaul University, who was physically 409 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,040 S1: attacked along with his friend Michael Kaminski. One of those 410 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,360 S1: attackers has been arrested and is being held. The other 411 00:21:32,430 --> 00:21:34,070 S1: attacker is still on the loose. At the risk of 412 00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:36,790 S1: asking the obvious, doesn't that kind of give you the creeps? 413 00:21:36,830 --> 00:21:40,510 S3: Totally, yeah. Honestly, this is probably my first in-person interview 414 00:21:40,510 --> 00:21:44,629 S3: that I've done. I absolutely am waiting for that second 415 00:21:44,670 --> 00:21:47,470 S3: offender to be arrested. And and he's also the one 416 00:21:47,470 --> 00:21:49,710 S3: that really he came up from behind me. So there's 417 00:21:49,710 --> 00:21:52,830 S3: also that, you know, that personal aspect of for my 418 00:21:52,830 --> 00:21:56,830 S3: ability to really move forward and start the healing process. 419 00:21:56,830 --> 00:21:59,470 S3: It is really important to me that he is arrested. 420 00:21:59,510 --> 00:22:02,270 S3: And I also want to mention that one thing that 421 00:22:02,270 --> 00:22:07,110 S3: after the attack that happened, which is beyond atrocious, like 422 00:22:07,150 --> 00:22:08,830 S3: the attack itself, was an awful, awful. 423 00:22:08,830 --> 00:22:09,150 S1: Right, right. 424 00:22:09,150 --> 00:22:12,110 S3: Right. But to then have students coming up to me 425 00:22:12,109 --> 00:22:14,750 S3: after telling me I got what I deserved. 426 00:22:14,790 --> 00:22:15,109 S1: Really. 427 00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:18,870 S3: For killing babies in Gaza, that's when I realized that 428 00:22:18,869 --> 00:22:23,870 S3: this is the misinformation is so deep rooted that we 429 00:22:23,869 --> 00:22:26,110 S3: need to do more. And what can we do is 430 00:22:26,109 --> 00:22:27,830 S3: I think the big question and we were talking about 431 00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:30,950 S3: it coming up here in the elevator, that I've realized 432 00:22:31,060 --> 00:22:33,859 S3: that the Jewish people we make up 2.4% of the 433 00:22:33,859 --> 00:22:38,340 S3: US population and 0.2% of the world, which we're not 434 00:22:38,340 --> 00:22:40,619 S3: very loud, right? You know, it's hard to really get 435 00:22:40,619 --> 00:22:42,660 S3: our voices out there, right? And so what I've really 436 00:22:42,660 --> 00:22:44,780 S3: been doing since the attack, and this is also who 437 00:22:44,780 --> 00:22:47,020 S3: I am, I'm a type of person that I cope 438 00:22:47,020 --> 00:22:49,340 S3: by taking action. And so one of the things I 439 00:22:49,340 --> 00:22:52,619 S3: did was establish this program called Strong Voices for Israel. 440 00:22:53,020 --> 00:22:56,100 S3: And what we do is we take IDF reservists Nova 441 00:22:56,100 --> 00:23:00,100 S3: and October 7th survivors, Jewish students who have experienced anti-Semitism, 442 00:23:00,340 --> 00:23:04,020 S3: 2G Holocaust survivors. And what we're trying to do is 443 00:23:04,020 --> 00:23:08,700 S3: get these profiles, these Israeli and Jewish experiences, out into 444 00:23:08,700 --> 00:23:11,420 S3: the world, into the non-Jewish communities. 445 00:23:11,460 --> 00:23:11,740 S1: Right. 446 00:23:11,780 --> 00:23:15,260 S3: Because we need to really do more to engage with 447 00:23:15,260 --> 00:23:20,540 S3: our interfaith partners and to work towards a more unified 448 00:23:20,780 --> 00:23:23,340 S3: approach to this issue. And I think the Jewish people 449 00:23:23,340 --> 00:23:27,540 S3: need the help of our interfaith allies to amplify our voices. Yes. 450 00:23:27,580 --> 00:23:29,060 S3: And so I think that's what we've been doing. We've 451 00:23:29,060 --> 00:23:33,290 S3: been going around the country to to Christian communities, congregations, schools, 452 00:23:33,290 --> 00:23:35,969 S3: middle schools, high schools, to inform and to share our 453 00:23:35,970 --> 00:23:39,930 S3: experiences and to really strengthen those bonds. And and I've 454 00:23:39,930 --> 00:23:42,090 S3: been asked so many times, what is my goal like 455 00:23:42,290 --> 00:23:45,770 S3: in the perfect world? What would the result of that be? 456 00:23:46,330 --> 00:23:48,810 S3: And I keep thinking, well, I want to host a 457 00:23:48,810 --> 00:23:52,250 S3: rally at DePaul University in support of the Jewish students 458 00:23:52,250 --> 00:23:54,810 S3: who've gone through so much at this, you know, at 459 00:23:54,810 --> 00:23:58,170 S3: this university. I know that I can probably get 30 460 00:23:58,210 --> 00:24:00,930 S3: people to come, but if I were to then reach 461 00:24:00,930 --> 00:24:04,050 S3: out to pastors in these congregations that, you know, I've 462 00:24:04,090 --> 00:24:07,490 S3: gotten to know, think about what that if just having 463 00:24:07,530 --> 00:24:11,450 S3: a portion of those congregants come out, the support and 464 00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:13,250 S3: support in numbers, that's what we need. 465 00:24:13,450 --> 00:24:15,170 S1: That's where we're at. Well, what would you like Moody 466 00:24:15,170 --> 00:24:18,290 S1: Radio listeners to do think, feel about what happened to you? 467 00:24:18,290 --> 00:24:20,090 S1: In other words, how can we how can we make 468 00:24:20,090 --> 00:24:22,050 S1: a positive difference in this narrative? 469 00:24:22,650 --> 00:24:26,010 S3: The number one thing is dialogue. Dialogue is critical, and 470 00:24:26,170 --> 00:24:29,000 S3: it's so easy to stick to our own bubble. but 471 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,560 S3: we need to get out there more and hear other, 472 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,240 S3: you know, narratives and opinions to strengthen ours and to 473 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,520 S3: understand where we stand. And I want to say one 474 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:40,240 S3: thing that's really important. What I'm seeing, this trend of 475 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:46,639 S3: trying to force a distinction between Judaism and Zionism. And 476 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,320 S3: I want to focus on this for a second because 477 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,520 S3: it is so important. This ability for some agitators that 478 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,280 S3: you see on these campuses who are wrapping their faces 479 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,600 S3: and covering their faces to spew hate, and that's what 480 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,880 S3: it is, is the ability to say death to Zionists 481 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,960 S3: and try to say that that isn't anti-Semitic. It is 482 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:10,400 S3: fully anti-Semitic. You bet. anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism, and that is 483 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,880 S3: something so important for us all to recognize and understand 484 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,000 S3: that we can't allow people to run around saying death 485 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,919 S3: to Zionists and not call it what it is. And 486 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,320 S3: I think that is so important because they're trying to 487 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,760 S3: make us make a distinction between the two, as if 488 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,920 S3: one can live without the other, and a world without 489 00:25:27,070 --> 00:25:29,950 S3: Israel is a world without Jews. And I said that, 490 00:25:29,950 --> 00:25:32,030 S3: and I will continue saying that. And that is not 491 00:25:32,030 --> 00:25:33,109 S3: a world that I will live in. 492 00:25:33,310 --> 00:25:35,310 S1: Boy, what a what a conversation we've had. I wish 493 00:25:35,310 --> 00:25:38,390 S1: we had an hour or more, but we don't. Max, 494 00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:41,629 S1: thank you so much for sharing. You have our entire 495 00:25:41,630 --> 00:25:46,350 S1: listening audience salute our thanks, our respect, and we love you. 496 00:25:46,350 --> 00:25:47,750 S1: Thank you so much. Thank you. 497 00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:48,550 S3: I really appreciate. 498 00:25:48,550 --> 00:25:51,590 S1: It. More to come hear your Bible questions being answered 499 00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:54,750 S1: by our own doctor, Gerald Peterman. Next on the land 500 00:25:54,750 --> 00:26:08,709 S1: and the book. Welcome back to the land and the 501 00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:12,109 S1: book from Moody Radio. I'm John Geiger with me, Doctor 502 00:26:12,109 --> 00:26:16,710 S1: Gerald Peterman of the Moody Bible Institute faculty. Romans 116 says, 503 00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:19,429 S1: the gospel is to the Jew first and also to 504 00:26:19,470 --> 00:26:22,270 S1: the Gentile. But how do you share the gospel with 505 00:26:22,270 --> 00:26:25,230 S1: a Jewish person? I mean, because of cultural, historical and 506 00:26:25,230 --> 00:26:29,500 S1: religious differences. It's sometimes kind of challenging to just navigate 507 00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:32,820 S1: a gospel conversation with somebody from a Jewish background. You 508 00:26:32,820 --> 00:26:35,340 S1: ever wondered how the, quote, professionals do it? 509 00:26:35,660 --> 00:26:38,139 S4: To answer this question, our friends at Life and Messiah 510 00:26:38,140 --> 00:26:41,219 S4: want to mail you samples of the tracks their staff 511 00:26:41,260 --> 00:26:43,540 S4: use as they share the gospel. This will serve a 512 00:26:43,580 --> 00:26:47,620 S4: dual purpose of equipping you with methods of presenting the gospel, 513 00:26:47,619 --> 00:26:50,420 S4: and also supplying you with tracks you can share with 514 00:26:50,420 --> 00:26:53,939 S4: your Jewish friends and neighbors. Life in Messiah's Prayer is 515 00:26:53,940 --> 00:26:56,739 S4: that these tracks will help further the gospel among the 516 00:26:56,740 --> 00:27:00,020 S4: Jewish people. To receive this helpful assortment of tracks, all 517 00:27:00,020 --> 00:27:04,540 S4: you need to do is visit Life and Messiah and 518 00:27:04,540 --> 00:27:08,860 S4: click on the radio button for more information. That's life 519 00:27:08,859 --> 00:27:13,260 S4: and Messiah. Don't miss out on this great opportunity. 520 00:27:13,300 --> 00:27:15,220 S1: I think it is a good opportunity. You know, getting 521 00:27:15,220 --> 00:27:18,060 S1: that indeed in your hand to read, look at, think 522 00:27:18,100 --> 00:27:20,260 S1: the way we need to be thinking. That's good stuff. 523 00:27:20,260 --> 00:27:24,580 S1: Life in Messiah. Time to dig into today's questions. And 524 00:27:24,580 --> 00:27:27,970 S1: the first is from James. Would you explain, please, the 525 00:27:27,970 --> 00:27:32,929 S1: significance of Matthew 2242 through 46, where Jesus is talking 526 00:27:32,930 --> 00:27:35,729 S1: about the Messiah? I heard it stated that Messiah to 527 00:27:35,770 --> 00:27:39,330 S1: the Jews was not deity, but only human. What do 528 00:27:39,330 --> 00:27:39,770 S1: you think? 529 00:27:40,050 --> 00:27:43,530 S4: Well, James takes us to a really interesting place in Scripture. Now, 530 00:27:43,530 --> 00:27:48,490 S4: in Matthew 22, Jesus is in some conversation with Pharisees. 531 00:27:48,530 --> 00:27:52,290 S4: The he asked them, Whose son is the Christ? And 532 00:27:52,290 --> 00:27:55,010 S4: they say, The Christ is the Son of David. At 533 00:27:55,010 --> 00:27:58,490 S4: one level, of course, that's true. Christ is a descendant 534 00:27:58,490 --> 00:28:02,010 S4: of David, but our Lord answers them by quoting from 535 00:28:02,010 --> 00:28:04,930 S4: Psalm 110, one of the most interesting psalms in our 536 00:28:04,930 --> 00:28:09,409 S4: Old Testament. The Lord said to my Lord, sit at 537 00:28:09,410 --> 00:28:13,090 S4: my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet. Now, 538 00:28:13,090 --> 00:28:17,050 S4: if you're reading this in most English translations, the first 539 00:28:17,050 --> 00:28:21,330 S4: Lord is all capitals. That's the divine name. That's Yahweh. Yes. 540 00:28:21,369 --> 00:28:25,070 S4: And the second Lord is uppercase L. The rest is lowercase. 541 00:28:25,070 --> 00:28:28,109 S4: That's Adonai. So what have you got going on here 542 00:28:28,390 --> 00:28:33,030 S4: in this Psalm? You've got Yahweh talking to Adonai, but 543 00:28:33,030 --> 00:28:36,830 S4: in the Psalm you've got David, who's the speaker? The 544 00:28:36,830 --> 00:28:40,350 S4: Lord says to my Lord, so both of these people 545 00:28:40,350 --> 00:28:45,230 S4: are David's Lord. Wait, wait, wait. Who is the Lord 546 00:28:45,230 --> 00:28:50,150 S4: over the King of Israel? Ah, this would only be 547 00:28:50,150 --> 00:28:53,630 S4: the incarnate King of Israel. And so then, if you 548 00:28:53,630 --> 00:28:55,750 S4: go into Hebrews, you see that the writer of Hebrews 549 00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:58,750 S4: takes us straight to Psalm 110 to say the person 550 00:28:58,750 --> 00:29:02,550 S4: being described here is the incarnate Jesus. That is, the 551 00:29:02,550 --> 00:29:06,910 S4: second person of the Trinity has become incarnate as Israel's Messiah. 552 00:29:06,910 --> 00:29:09,310 S4: To read more about this, I would say go to 553 00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:12,950 S4: Psalm 45, verses 6 to 7, Isaiah nine six, which 554 00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:17,120 S4: we sing at Christmas time in Jeremiah 33, verses 16 555 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,470 S4: to 17, and many other places. 556 00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:22,900 S1: Yeah, that's a great answer and interesting question from John. 557 00:29:22,900 --> 00:29:26,940 S1: Many people have wondered this. He asks, Does God change 558 00:29:26,940 --> 00:29:30,660 S1: his mind? For example, did God change his mind when 559 00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:33,980 S1: Abraham asked about the righteous people in Sodom? Or was 560 00:29:33,980 --> 00:29:37,620 S1: this just to show Abraham and us just how nasty 561 00:29:37,660 --> 00:29:38,780 S1: Sodom had become? 562 00:29:38,980 --> 00:29:42,700 S4: Oh, John, thanks for the question. Short answer, I take it. No. 563 00:29:43,020 --> 00:29:45,180 S4: God does not change his mind and that's really good 564 00:29:45,180 --> 00:29:47,060 S4: for us. But on the other hand, I think we 565 00:29:47,060 --> 00:29:50,220 S4: have to keep in mind that God wants a relationship 566 00:29:50,220 --> 00:29:52,940 S4: with us. And so in a relationship with us, he 567 00:29:52,940 --> 00:29:55,620 S4: wants give and take. He wants conversation. He wants to 568 00:29:55,620 --> 00:29:58,940 S4: talk to us. So let's go to this place where 569 00:29:58,980 --> 00:30:02,500 S4: God is talking to Abraham. This is Genesis 18. And 570 00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:06,219 S4: God mentions he has heard about the evil of Sodom 571 00:30:06,220 --> 00:30:08,220 S4: and Gomorrah, and he's going to come and he's going 572 00:30:08,220 --> 00:30:12,460 S4: to do something. But actually, if we read Genesis 18, 573 00:30:12,500 --> 00:30:15,140 S4: the Lord doesn't say what he's going to do. And 574 00:30:15,140 --> 00:30:18,580 S4: then we get into a conversation with Abraham, and Abraham says, 575 00:30:18,580 --> 00:30:21,730 S4: Will you destroy the city if there's several righteous people there, 576 00:30:21,730 --> 00:30:24,370 S4: then they have this conversation that goes on and on, 577 00:30:24,370 --> 00:30:27,969 S4: and the number of righteous people is dwindled down to ten. 578 00:30:28,530 --> 00:30:31,490 S4: Has God changed his mind? He hasn't changed his mind. 579 00:30:31,730 --> 00:30:35,650 S4: He's engaged with someone he loves. Abraham and talk to 580 00:30:35,650 --> 00:30:38,210 S4: him through prayer. But God never said, I'm going to 581 00:30:38,210 --> 00:30:41,490 S4: destroy every person in the city. Yeah, never said that. 582 00:30:41,490 --> 00:30:44,410 S4: So he hasn't changed his mind. He has actually worked 583 00:30:44,410 --> 00:30:48,970 S4: through Abraham to make clear that he will rescue the 584 00:30:48,970 --> 00:30:50,770 S4: righteous from destruction. 585 00:30:50,810 --> 00:30:53,170 S1: You know, I don't want to end this segment apart 586 00:30:53,170 --> 00:30:55,890 S1: from going back to something you said. I think that's 587 00:30:55,930 --> 00:30:59,290 S1: absolutely huge. God wants a conversation with us. 588 00:30:59,330 --> 00:31:00,730 S4: Oh, yes he does. 589 00:31:00,770 --> 00:31:03,690 S1: Yeah. I'd like you to elaborate on that because and 590 00:31:03,690 --> 00:31:06,090 S1: I probably have shared this before on the program. One 591 00:31:06,090 --> 00:31:08,050 S1: of my favorite things I feel like when I'm out 592 00:31:08,050 --> 00:31:10,370 S1: in nature, I'm able to do it more easily. I 593 00:31:10,370 --> 00:31:14,090 S1: go for a walk, I talk out loud to God, 594 00:31:14,330 --> 00:31:18,090 S1: and it's just the loveliest experience. The text that comes 595 00:31:18,090 --> 00:31:20,239 S1: to mind is Adam and Eve walked with God in 596 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,200 S1: the cool of the day. I feel like that's what 597 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,480 S1: I'm doing. You know, it's such an awesome thing. 598 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,360 S4: Yes. Let's go to Adam and Eve, shall we? Yeah. 599 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:28,959 S4: They walk with God in the cool of the day. 600 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,800 S4: And then comes Genesis three, where they disobey. And how 601 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,880 S4: does our Lord respond? One thing he says is. Adam, 602 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,240 S4: where are you? That is a question that God wants 603 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,560 S4: an answer. He wants repentance. He wants a relationship now. 604 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,680 S4: That's chapter three, inside the garden. Let's go outside the 605 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,400 S4: garden to chapter four of Genesis. And Cain is angry 606 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,720 S4: and God asks a question. Cain, why are you angry? Why? 607 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,040 S4: Why does God need to ask? God knows the answer 608 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,280 S4: to this question. Ah, because I think Cain needs to 609 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,760 S4: talk to God about his anger. You know, remember, remember 610 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,040 S4: when the apostle Peter gets the chance to walk on water? 611 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,160 S4: That was a really good time. That's a really good time. 612 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,600 S4: Then he sings. Right, right. And then what does our 613 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,200 S4: Lord say to him afterwards? Peter, Peter, why did you doubt? 614 00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:22,910 S4: So if nothing else, the questions that our Lord Jesus asks, 615 00:32:22,910 --> 00:32:26,750 S4: the questions that God asks, let us know he wants 616 00:32:26,750 --> 00:32:28,270 S4: to be in a conversation with us. 617 00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:30,550 S1: And maybe sometimes the reason we're not more engaged in 618 00:32:30,590 --> 00:32:33,830 S1: that conversation, or more interested in it, is because we've 619 00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:34,870 S1: left sin in the way. 620 00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:38,350 S4: We're ashamed to talk, because we've let sin get in 621 00:32:38,350 --> 00:32:39,190 S4: the way of that conversation. 622 00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:41,070 S1: I just don't think we can make too much of 623 00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:43,310 S1: that fact, though, that God wants a conversation with us. 624 00:32:43,310 --> 00:32:45,390 S4: I think you're right. We can't make too much of it. 625 00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:48,030 S4: He is reaching out to us to talk. 626 00:32:48,030 --> 00:32:50,510 S1: Thank you for bringing that alive to us today. Well, 627 00:32:50,510 --> 00:32:52,590 S1: our email address, by the way, before we get into 628 00:32:52,590 --> 00:32:55,630 S1: our next question, the email address for your question is 629 00:32:55,630 --> 00:33:00,150 S1: the land and the book at the land and the 630 00:33:00,190 --> 00:33:04,510 S1: book at Moody's. All right. Mike's question takes us to 631 00:33:04,550 --> 00:33:08,070 S1: mark two, verse 27, when Jesus said that the Sabbath 632 00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:11,230 S1: was made for man and not man for the Sabbath, 633 00:33:11,670 --> 00:33:14,430 S1: what was the Sabbath originally intended for then? Was it 634 00:33:14,430 --> 00:33:16,670 S1: so that man would not work himself to death, and 635 00:33:16,670 --> 00:33:19,420 S1: that he would take time off for his body to relax, 636 00:33:19,420 --> 00:33:22,700 S1: regenerate and be ready to work again. Is this the 637 00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:25,700 S1: same principle as resting the soil so that the nutrients 638 00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:28,540 S1: in the in the ground wouldn't expire, but by resting 639 00:33:28,540 --> 00:33:30,860 S1: the soil, it would be ready to be planted again 640 00:33:30,860 --> 00:33:31,820 S1: the next season. 641 00:33:32,380 --> 00:33:34,460 S4: Yes. Well, I think what Mike has done is bring 642 00:33:34,460 --> 00:33:36,700 S4: us a really good question and started giving us a 643 00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:39,900 S4: really good answer. That is, we're sure that the Lord 644 00:33:39,900 --> 00:33:43,860 S4: Jesus is right, because humans were created on day six 645 00:33:43,860 --> 00:33:46,860 S4: and the Sabbath on day seven. So it's not like 646 00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:50,540 S4: humans were created for the Sabbath. Sabbath was created for 647 00:33:50,540 --> 00:33:53,860 S4: us humans. And Mark begins a good answer when he 648 00:33:53,860 --> 00:33:57,100 S4: asked the question, is this about our rest? It is 649 00:33:57,100 --> 00:33:59,540 S4: about our rest. Is this about soil having a chance 650 00:33:59,540 --> 00:34:02,740 S4: to rest? Yes, because soil needs a chance to regain 651 00:34:02,740 --> 00:34:05,980 S4: its nutrients. But I want to add one more thing. 652 00:34:06,340 --> 00:34:10,380 S4: When you live your life according to the week with Sabbath, 653 00:34:10,540 --> 00:34:15,500 S4: you are arranging your whole existence by God's timetable. So 654 00:34:15,610 --> 00:34:17,969 S4: rest is one good thing. Another good thing is you're 655 00:34:17,969 --> 00:34:21,890 S4: dependent upon God for the arrangement of your life. 656 00:34:22,730 --> 00:34:25,090 S1: We're going to squeeze in one more question from Ken. 657 00:34:25,210 --> 00:34:27,689 S1: He says, I recently visited a Christian friend whom I'd 658 00:34:27,690 --> 00:34:30,170 S1: not seen in years, and he was all gung ho 659 00:34:30,210 --> 00:34:34,370 S1: about espousing what he calls the pre-wrath position. And then 660 00:34:34,370 --> 00:34:37,290 S1: there's discussion about the pre-trib position that he'd held for 661 00:34:37,290 --> 00:34:41,890 S1: 40 years. The question regarding all this is this Pre-wrath model. 662 00:34:41,890 --> 00:34:44,569 S1: Why is it only recently coming to the fore? Why 663 00:34:44,570 --> 00:34:48,010 S1: did the early Christian theologians not believe or promote it? 664 00:34:48,050 --> 00:34:51,529 S1: Can you explain weaknesses in the pre-wrath position? I think 665 00:34:51,530 --> 00:34:54,169 S1: we need to define it myself as we start into 666 00:34:54,170 --> 00:34:55,290 S1: this dialogue. What do you think? 667 00:34:55,489 --> 00:34:59,290 S4: Good. Thanks so much for the question. The Pre-wrath position 668 00:34:59,290 --> 00:35:02,009 S4: has something that's come into existence in the last few years, 669 00:35:02,330 --> 00:35:05,250 S4: but it's not uncommon for new ideas to be coming 670 00:35:05,250 --> 00:35:08,489 S4: into existence. I mean, how long have the Jehovah's Witnesses 671 00:35:08,489 --> 00:35:11,850 S4: been around? Only for about 130 years. And that's hardly 672 00:35:11,850 --> 00:35:14,370 S4: anything compared to the life of the church. Now, what 673 00:35:14,370 --> 00:35:18,549 S4: do we mean by the so-called prewrath position? We mean 674 00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:21,589 S4: by the prewrath position. We are raptured before the wrath 675 00:35:21,590 --> 00:35:25,270 S4: of God comes. But those who believe in a prewrath 676 00:35:25,310 --> 00:35:28,390 S4: view are putting the wrath starting three quarters of the 677 00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:33,190 S4: way through the tribulation. Oh, wow. Yes. So I have 678 00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:37,510 S4: four problems with this view. First, both the pre-trib view 679 00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:42,070 S4: and the prewrath view are all prewrath. They're all actually prewrath. 680 00:35:42,070 --> 00:35:46,350 S4: Everyone believes in a prewrath rapture if you believe in one. Second, 681 00:35:46,670 --> 00:35:51,150 S4: the so-called prewrath view causes us to lose imminence. Is 682 00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:54,189 S4: Jesus coming back anytime in their view? No, it can't 683 00:35:54,190 --> 00:35:56,790 S4: happen until three quarters of the way through the tribulation. 684 00:35:57,230 --> 00:36:00,110 S4: And then third, the so-called Prewrath view has a mistaken 685 00:36:00,110 --> 00:36:03,230 S4: perspective on the sovereignty of God. Can the sovereignty of 686 00:36:03,230 --> 00:36:06,830 S4: God work through human agents to bring wrath? He can. 687 00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:09,790 S4: He's done it many times. Read your Old Testament in 688 00:36:09,790 --> 00:36:12,900 S4: the Old Testament. He brings wrath against Israel through Assyria. Syria. 689 00:36:13,180 --> 00:36:18,299 S4: In New Testament times, he brings wrath against Israel by Rome. Lastly, 690 00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:21,100 S4: does the church have to go through three quarters of 691 00:36:21,100 --> 00:36:24,219 S4: the tribulation? I take it the answer is no. We're 692 00:36:24,219 --> 00:36:26,660 S4: going to be raptured by our Lord Jesus before the 693 00:36:26,660 --> 00:36:31,700 S4: tribulation starts. And we don't need to be cleansed by tribulation, period. 694 00:36:32,180 --> 00:36:34,339 S1: We've certainly covered a lot of ground today. And again, 695 00:36:34,340 --> 00:36:36,420 S1: if you'd like to get a question to us, email 696 00:36:36,420 --> 00:36:40,460 S1: us at The Land and the Book at Moody's. Charlie's 697 00:36:40,460 --> 00:36:56,540 S1: devotional is next. The old saying is true. Like father, 698 00:36:56,540 --> 00:37:00,140 S1: like son. And when you look around, it's interesting. You 699 00:37:00,180 --> 00:37:02,779 S1: find kids who grow up and and you often say, boy, 700 00:37:02,780 --> 00:37:05,020 S1: you can sure tell he's his father's son, that kind 701 00:37:05,020 --> 00:37:08,060 S1: of thing. Well, it's also true in other ways, spiritually 702 00:37:08,060 --> 00:37:10,620 S1: and biblically, too. We're about to talk about that on 703 00:37:10,620 --> 00:37:13,770 S1: today's edition of The Land and the book Charlie's Devotional. 704 00:37:14,010 --> 00:37:15,090 S1: Where are we headed, Charlie? 705 00:37:15,330 --> 00:37:17,529 S2: Well, we're heading to Psalm 131, and we're going to 706 00:37:17,530 --> 00:37:19,810 S2: look at that expression like father, like son. 707 00:37:19,850 --> 00:37:22,890 S1: All right. But not before we hear this Holy Land experience. 708 00:37:27,050 --> 00:37:31,410 S5: We've enjoyed our visits to the biblical sites in Israel, Jordan, 709 00:37:31,410 --> 00:37:35,089 S5: Greece and Turkey. How exciting to visit places where the 710 00:37:35,090 --> 00:37:39,049 S5: events of the Bible happen. One of my favorite spots 711 00:37:39,250 --> 00:37:43,489 S5: is in Capernaum, where Jesus had his headquarters during part 712 00:37:43,489 --> 00:37:47,890 S5: of his ministry. As you leave the ruins of the synagogue, 713 00:37:48,410 --> 00:37:53,930 S5: I looked at Luke chapter four in verse 38 and 714 00:37:53,930 --> 00:37:57,250 S5: it says, now he arose from the synagogue and entered 715 00:37:57,250 --> 00:38:01,810 S5: Simon's house. But Simon's mother was sick with a high fever, 716 00:38:02,330 --> 00:38:05,690 S5: and they made a request of him concerning her. So 717 00:38:05,690 --> 00:38:09,609 S5: he stood over her and rebuked the fever, and it left, 718 00:38:09,610 --> 00:38:13,920 S5: and immediately she arose and served them. As we walked 719 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,680 S5: down from the ruins of the synagogue, about 200ft to 720 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,239 S5: where Peter's house was. How exciting to know that we 721 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,800 S5: were where Jesus had been, and that we were there, 722 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,360 S5: where this miracle had taken place. And how wonderful to 723 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,040 S5: know that the Lord Jesus now makes me his temple 724 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:36,839 S5: and he lives in me. I really highly recommend these trips. 725 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,439 S1: Appreciate that perspective. Thank you very much. And, Charlie, we'll 726 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:42,480 S1: turn it over to you. 727 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,240 S2: Thanks, John. Yeah, we've all heard that expression. Like father, 728 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,600 S2: like son, or the apple doesn't fall too far from 729 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,880 S2: the tree. But the reality behind those expressions is the 730 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,799 S2: fact that parents character traits often show up in their children. 731 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,600 S2: The phrase itself has been around a long time. In fact, 732 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,359 S2: it dates back at least to the early 1600s in 733 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,200 S2: a work by Thomas Drax who wrote like father, like son, 734 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,430 S2: like mother, like daughter. You've probably never heard of Thomas Drax, 735 00:39:10,430 --> 00:39:13,430 S2: but that's due in part to his choice of titles 736 00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:16,350 S2: for the books he wrote. For example, his use of 737 00:39:16,350 --> 00:39:19,750 S2: this phrase came from a work with the exhausting title. 738 00:39:19,790 --> 00:39:25,670 S2: You ready for this? Bibliotheca scholastica. Instructive. Or, A Treasury 739 00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:32,790 S2: of Ancient Adages and Sententious Proverbs selected out of the English, Greek, Latin, French, Italian, 740 00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:36,870 S2: and Spanish, ranked in alphabetical order and suited to one 741 00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:39,710 S2: and the same sense. It kind of rolls off the tongue, 742 00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:42,830 S2: doesn't it? It's a shame Drax didn't have a publisher 743 00:39:42,830 --> 00:39:46,069 S2: with better marketing skills. He and Shakespeare lived at the 744 00:39:46,070 --> 00:39:49,509 S2: same time, but Shakespeare knew how to give his works short, 745 00:39:49,550 --> 00:39:54,750 S2: powerful titles. Hamlet. Macbeth a midsummer Night's Dream. The taming 746 00:39:54,750 --> 00:39:58,590 S2: of the shrew. Drax was just a bit more verbose. 747 00:39:58,750 --> 00:40:02,070 S2: And that's unfortunate because he was a great scholar. For example, 748 00:40:02,070 --> 00:40:08,580 S2: in 1608 he wrote a book arguing for Israel's future restoration. Unfortunately, 749 00:40:08,580 --> 00:40:11,500 S2: you've probably never heard of it because he titled it 750 00:40:11,820 --> 00:40:15,900 S2: The World's Resurrection. Colon on the General Calling of the Jews. 751 00:40:15,940 --> 00:40:19,299 S2: A familiar commentary upon the 11th chapter of Saint Paul 752 00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:22,779 S2: to the Romans according to the sense of Scripture. But 753 00:40:22,780 --> 00:40:25,940 S2: now you know why most scholarly books don't become bestsellers. 754 00:40:26,180 --> 00:40:30,700 S2: But back to the expression. Like father, like son. Family characteristics. 755 00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:34,260 S2: Getting passed along to offspring are a reality of life. 756 00:40:34,460 --> 00:40:37,540 S2: Sometimes it can be physical characteristics, like the color of 757 00:40:37,540 --> 00:40:40,620 S2: the eyes or the contours of the face. Other times, 758 00:40:40,620 --> 00:40:44,460 S2: it can be specific mannerisms or facial expressions or even 759 00:40:44,460 --> 00:40:48,020 S2: patterns of speech. But is the expression also true in 760 00:40:48,020 --> 00:40:51,339 S2: the spiritual realm? Well, David seems to suggest that it 761 00:40:51,340 --> 00:40:56,219 S2: is in Psalm 131, a psalm of childlike trust. Though 762 00:40:56,260 --> 00:40:59,820 S2: Psalm 131 lists David as its author. It was not 763 00:40:59,820 --> 00:41:02,340 S2: included with most of the other psalms at the beginning 764 00:41:02,340 --> 00:41:05,580 S2: of the book. Instead, this psalm was added to the 765 00:41:05,580 --> 00:41:09,089 S2: collection known as the Psalms of Ascents. This group of 766 00:41:09,090 --> 00:41:13,850 S2: 15 psalms from Psalm 120 through. 134 were composed at 767 00:41:13,850 --> 00:41:17,650 S2: different times in Israel's history, but they were collected probably 768 00:41:17,650 --> 00:41:21,210 S2: after the Babylonian captivity, to be sung by the pilgrims 769 00:41:21,210 --> 00:41:25,530 S2: traveling to Jerusalem to celebrate the three annual feasts, when 770 00:41:25,530 --> 00:41:28,410 S2: all Israel was to gather before the Lord. Four of 771 00:41:28,410 --> 00:41:31,930 S2: those 15 psalms were originally composed by David, but then 772 00:41:31,930 --> 00:41:36,170 S2: given a special place here in this collection, Psalm 131 773 00:41:36,170 --> 00:41:40,450 S2: is deceptively simple a short, three verse psalm that can 774 00:41:40,450 --> 00:41:43,650 S2: easily be overlooked as we hurriedly try to read through 775 00:41:43,650 --> 00:41:47,010 S2: our Bible. But the message is profound, which is why 776 00:41:47,010 --> 00:41:50,569 S2: the Psalm was placed in this collection. Let's look at 777 00:41:50,570 --> 00:41:54,730 S2: the details. David began by affirming his humility before God. 778 00:41:55,210 --> 00:41:59,090 S2: My heart is not proud, nor my eyes haughty. Pride 779 00:41:59,090 --> 00:42:02,089 S2: is an oft repeated sin in the Bible. It led 780 00:42:02,090 --> 00:42:05,880 S2: to Satan's rebellion against God. And when Satan tempted Adam 781 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,000 S2: and Eve, it was with the offer that they could 782 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,800 S2: become like God. Proverbs reminded Israel that pride comes before 783 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,520 S2: a fall and a haughty spirit before destruction. Pride is 784 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:21,160 S2: an inflated view of one's self-importance and self-sufficiency that says, 785 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,640 S2: I don't need God's help. I'm good enough to do 786 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:28,320 S2: it myself. David lets his readers know he isn't self-sufficient. 787 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,560 S2: In fact, he finishes this first verse by focusing on 788 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,719 S2: his humble spirit, which is the opposite of pride. Nor 789 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,799 S2: do I involve myself in great matters or in things 790 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,760 S2: too difficult for me. I think it's important to understand 791 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,080 S2: what David is not saying here. He's not suggesting that 792 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,080 S2: ignorance is bliss, or that we shouldn't strive to learn 793 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,120 S2: and grow and develop. Rather, he has in view those 794 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,520 S2: aspects of life that he knows are out of his control. 795 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,919 S2: Rather than boasting about his own abilities, David is willing 796 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,480 S2: to humbly acknowledge that the God of Israel is God. 797 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,460 S2: While he that is David is not. Instead of claiming 798 00:43:04,460 --> 00:43:06,460 S2: to be the master of his fate and the captain 799 00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:09,819 S2: of his soul, David begins by acknowledging that there's so 800 00:43:09,820 --> 00:43:13,500 S2: much in life that is simply beyond his understanding, and 801 00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:17,620 S2: he humbly accepts God's sovereign control. But that doesn't mean 802 00:43:17,620 --> 00:43:20,660 S2: David sees himself as a passive blob of humanity being 803 00:43:20,700 --> 00:43:24,060 S2: swept helplessly through life. He does have a key role 804 00:43:24,060 --> 00:43:27,060 S2: to play in his relationship to God, and it's much 805 00:43:27,060 --> 00:43:30,259 S2: harder to accomplish than it might seem. He describes that 806 00:43:30,300 --> 00:43:33,900 S2: role in verse two surely I have composed and quieted 807 00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:37,660 S2: my soul like a weaned child rests against his mother. 808 00:43:38,140 --> 00:43:40,420 S2: Now the picture David paints is that of a child 809 00:43:40,420 --> 00:43:44,140 S2: who is just beyond the infant and toddler stages. Infants 810 00:43:44,140 --> 00:43:47,859 S2: and toddlers are cute, but they're also incredibly demanding. They 811 00:43:47,860 --> 00:43:50,339 S2: often cry and scream to get what they want when 812 00:43:50,340 --> 00:43:53,580 S2: they want it. So David deliberately chooses the image of 813 00:43:53,580 --> 00:43:56,700 S2: a slightly older child, one who has been weaned. Now, 814 00:43:56,700 --> 00:43:59,460 S2: in David's day, a child could be breastfed until he 815 00:43:59,460 --> 00:44:03,089 S2: or she was about three years old. That child is older, 816 00:44:03,090 --> 00:44:07,410 S2: more mature, and more capable of self-control. More than that, 817 00:44:07,410 --> 00:44:09,970 S2: a three year old child is at a magical age, 818 00:44:09,969 --> 00:44:14,089 S2: possessing a sense of wonder, a childlike faith and trust. 819 00:44:14,410 --> 00:44:17,890 S2: David's job in life is to develop a childlike trust 820 00:44:17,890 --> 00:44:20,569 S2: in God, a trust that will keep him close to 821 00:44:20,610 --> 00:44:24,890 S2: God with a spirit that's content. David focused his efforts 822 00:44:24,890 --> 00:44:28,650 S2: on developing the kind of trust a child instinctively has 823 00:44:28,650 --> 00:44:31,730 S2: in its mother. And then in the final verse, David 824 00:44:31,770 --> 00:44:35,930 S2: takes this truth and applies it to his audience. O Israel, 825 00:44:35,969 --> 00:44:39,089 S2: hope in the Lord from this time forth and forever. 826 00:44:39,650 --> 00:44:41,969 S2: The word for hope has the idea of waiting with 827 00:44:41,969 --> 00:44:45,250 S2: a sense of expectation. Similar to the way a child 828 00:44:45,250 --> 00:44:47,570 S2: might act when he asks his mother for a glass 829 00:44:47,570 --> 00:44:49,930 S2: of water and then waits by her side as she 830 00:44:49,930 --> 00:44:52,930 S2: finishes what she's doing so she can get it for him. 831 00:44:53,530 --> 00:44:57,489 S2: One last point. This final verse bears a striking resemblance 832 00:44:57,489 --> 00:45:00,489 S2: to the next to the last verse of the previous psalm. 833 00:45:01,050 --> 00:45:03,239 S2: O Oh Israel, hope in the Lord. For with the 834 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,160 S2: Lord there is loving kindness, and with him is abundant redemption. 835 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,200 S2: Psalm 130 tells us why we should wait expectantly for 836 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,880 S2: God because of his loyal love and plentiful redemption. Psalm 837 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,480 S2: 131 tells us how to wait on God with the 838 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,440 S2: innocent trust of a young child. Jesus was the ultimate 839 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:28,640 S2: son who displayed unwavering trust in his father at every circumstance, 840 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,320 S2: humbling himself to the point where he was willing to say, 841 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,319 S2: not my will, but thine be done. David tried hard 842 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,680 S2: to be the same sort of humble, obedient son, and 843 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,279 S2: he ended this psalm by calling on everyone else to 844 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,439 S2: follow in his footsteps. Pride. I can do it myself. 845 00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,279 S2: And impatience. I want it now. Bring us into conflict 846 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,399 S2: with God. While humility and a sense of patient trust 847 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,800 S2: place us in a proper relationship with God. And Jesus 848 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:03,630 S2: is our ultimate example. Apple. Just remember, like father, like son. 849 00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:07,430 S1: Thank you. Charlie. Lots of great truth there. Pride and 850 00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:11,830 S1: impatience versus humility and trust. Lord, give us the humility 851 00:46:11,830 --> 00:46:14,070 S1: and the trust and help us set aside the pride 852 00:46:14,310 --> 00:46:17,350 S1: and impatience. It's been a great broadcast today. Hope you've 853 00:46:17,390 --> 00:46:19,790 S1: appreciated all that you've heard. But the good news is 854 00:46:19,790 --> 00:46:22,750 S1: you can hear it all again yourself and share us 855 00:46:22,750 --> 00:46:25,750 S1: with your friends via our podcast. You'll find that at 856 00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:30,029 S1: our website, the land and Thebook. Org. We appreciate your 857 00:46:30,030 --> 00:46:32,989 S1: passing the word along. There's no advertising budget here, so 858 00:46:32,989 --> 00:46:35,910 S1: if you're being encouraged by this broadcast, share us with 859 00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:38,390 S1: your friends and point them to our website. Would you? 860 00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:42,230 S1: The land and the books? 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