1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,799 S1: Hark! Let the fun commence! You are about to experience 2 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,080 S1: one of my favorite programs of the year on Chris 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:14,880 S1: Fabry Live because they are back. Those boys of the Bible, 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:16,840 S1: the men of the Moody commentary. They put the gel 5 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,840 S1: and angelic, the old and gold, the air and myrrh 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,160 S1: and the scents and frankincense. I'm talking about the two 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:26,880 S1: Michaels who will entertain your Bible, questions about the Christmas story, 8 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:31,280 S1: the incarnation, the birth of the Savior in Bethlehem, the 9 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:39,240 S1: prophecies that foretold his nativity. Let's go get in early (877) 548-3675. 10 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:45,640 S1: You have a question, a comment, an observation. (877) 548-3675. Don't 11 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,519 S1: miss this golden opportunity for you. Let's get the biblical 12 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,320 S1: party started first by thanking our team Ryan McConaughey doing 13 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,040 S1: all things technical. Trish as our producer. Lisa's in the 14 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,320 S1: chair today. Josh tall Josh will be answering your calls now. 15 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,170 S1: Here they are, those boys of the Bible. They put 16 00:01:01,170 --> 00:01:03,810 S1: the men in commentary, the lad in gladness, the pump 17 00:01:03,850 --> 00:01:06,490 S1: in pa rum pum pum pum. I'm talking about open lines. 18 00:01:06,490 --> 00:01:09,289 S1: Doctor Michael, who is also a professor emeritus of Jewish 19 00:01:09,290 --> 00:01:12,050 S1: studies and Bible at Moody Bible Institute, and his co-editor 20 00:01:12,050 --> 00:01:14,730 S1: of the Moody Bible Commentary, former pastor of Biblical research 21 00:01:14,730 --> 00:01:18,569 S1: at Harvest Bible Chapel, Elgin, Illinois. Doctor Michael van Landingham, 22 00:01:18,569 --> 00:01:21,770 S1: ladies and gentlemen, the two Michaels. Yay! 23 00:01:22,530 --> 00:01:25,889 S2: Yay! Woo! 24 00:01:26,250 --> 00:01:28,250 S1: You don't know how hard that was to get through 25 00:01:28,410 --> 00:01:31,810 S1: without taking a breath. Yeah, I feel like my day 26 00:01:31,810 --> 00:01:32,610 S1: is over now. 27 00:01:33,050 --> 00:01:34,290 S3: Yeah. Okay, bye. 28 00:01:35,890 --> 00:01:39,450 S1: Okay, doctor Rudnick, I'm going to start with you. Uh, 29 00:01:39,530 --> 00:01:41,490 S1: here's the here's the big question. We're going to do 30 00:01:41,490 --> 00:01:45,890 S1: this tomorrow with my audio compadre, Greg Wheatley. Your favorite 31 00:01:45,890 --> 00:01:49,570 S1: Christmas carol, or the line from a Christmas carol or 32 00:01:49,570 --> 00:01:52,690 S1: hymn that comes to mind? Go. 33 00:01:53,450 --> 00:01:57,650 S3: Uh, you know, I, I like all Christmas music. I 34 00:01:57,650 --> 00:02:00,740 S3: even like the, you know, have a holly jolly Christmas, 35 00:02:00,740 --> 00:02:05,100 S3: I like everything. And, uh, I just don't like, uh, I, 36 00:02:06,220 --> 00:02:10,459 S3: I saw daddy kissing. I saw mommy kissing Santa Claus 37 00:02:11,020 --> 00:02:15,460 S3: under the Christmas tree. I don't like that. Or blue Christmas. However, uh, 38 00:02:15,500 --> 00:02:17,820 S3: my favorite, I guess, is. Oh, come, oh, come, Emmanuel. 39 00:02:19,500 --> 00:02:25,380 S3: It reflects, uh, the prophet prophet's message, uh, that the 40 00:02:25,380 --> 00:02:31,940 S3: Messiah was coming. It also reflects that, uh, that Israel 41 00:02:31,940 --> 00:02:36,620 S3: was looking for him. Um, you know, that mourns in 42 00:02:36,620 --> 00:02:41,660 S3: lonely exile here. Uh, so the lyrics that that I 43 00:02:41,660 --> 00:02:44,460 S3: think of is, O come, O come, Emmanuel, to free 44 00:02:44,460 --> 00:02:48,380 S3: your captive Israel, that mourns in lonely exile here until 45 00:02:48,380 --> 00:02:51,740 S3: the Son of God appear. And, uh, actually, that was 46 00:02:51,740 --> 00:02:54,019 S3: not a song I heard growing up when I became 47 00:02:54,020 --> 00:02:57,180 S3: a follower of Jesus. I heard that, and I said yes, 48 00:02:57,540 --> 00:03:00,859 S3: that's perfect. And so I've liked it ever since then. 49 00:03:01,740 --> 00:03:04,899 S1: And in the in our gift to anybody who gives 50 00:03:04,900 --> 00:03:07,580 S1: a gift to Chris Fabry. Live. Hosanna in excelsis. It 51 00:03:07,580 --> 00:03:10,299 S1: has that him. And it says no one knows who 52 00:03:10,300 --> 00:03:12,860 S1: wrote the words to this carol. Although first sung in 53 00:03:12,860 --> 00:03:16,260 S1: 19th century France, the chorus is in Latin, suggesting the 54 00:03:16,260 --> 00:03:20,700 S1: carol was written much earlier. Hymnologist agree that the author 55 00:03:20,700 --> 00:03:23,220 S1: had an excellent knowledge of scripture, as well as the 56 00:03:23,220 --> 00:03:26,740 S1: skill to shape biblical text into verse. And it goes 57 00:03:26,740 --> 00:03:29,540 S1: on to talk about the tune as well and what 58 00:03:29,580 --> 00:03:32,500 S1: to think as you, uh, wait a minute. That's not 59 00:03:32,500 --> 00:03:35,860 S1: the right, though. Come on, come on. Not the right. Yeah, 60 00:03:35,860 --> 00:03:39,380 S1: that was angels we have heard on high. Sorry. In excelsis. 61 00:03:39,380 --> 00:03:39,820 S3: Deo. 62 00:03:40,140 --> 00:03:43,700 S1: I'll find that. Yeah, exactly. I'll find that one. Uh, 63 00:03:43,700 --> 00:03:47,940 S1: Mike v, doctor V, what's your, uh, Christmas carol or him? 64 00:03:48,540 --> 00:03:54,180 S4: Yeah. Um. Really love. Hark the Herald angels sing. Especially 65 00:03:54,180 --> 00:03:59,350 S4: the second and third stanza. Um, and if it's okay, 66 00:03:59,350 --> 00:04:02,710 S4: I'm going to read those, please. Incredible theology. This is 67 00:04:02,710 --> 00:04:08,230 S4: Charles Wesley about 1739. Christ by highest. Christ by highest. 68 00:04:08,230 --> 00:04:13,190 S4: Heaven adored. Christ the everlasting Lord. Late in time behold 69 00:04:13,190 --> 00:04:18,390 S4: him come. Offspring of a virgin's womb, veiled in flesh. 70 00:04:18,870 --> 00:04:22,029 S4: I'm sorry. I'm about ready to cry. Veiled in flesh 71 00:04:22,070 --> 00:04:27,950 S4: the Godhead see. Hail the incarnate deity. Pleased as man 72 00:04:27,950 --> 00:04:32,469 S4: with man to dwell. Jesus our Emmanuel. Hark! The herald 73 00:04:32,470 --> 00:04:36,309 S4: angels sing. Glory to the newborn King. And then the 74 00:04:36,310 --> 00:04:40,030 S4: third stanza. Hail the heaven born Prince of peace. Hail 75 00:04:40,029 --> 00:04:44,750 S4: the sun of righteousness. Light and life to all he brings. 76 00:04:44,910 --> 00:04:49,789 S4: Risen with healing in his wings. Mild he lays his 77 00:04:49,790 --> 00:04:54,480 S4: glory by. Born that man no more may die. Born 78 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,919 S4: to raise the sons of earth. Born to give us 79 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:02,800 S4: second birth. Hark! The herald angels sing. Glory to the 80 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:08,440 S4: newborn king. Sorry, guys, but there's such incredible theology there. 81 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,320 S4: And I'm getting to be a befuddled old man. And 82 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,880 S4: I get emotional in my old age. So kids make 83 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:14,479 S4: me cry. 84 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:19,800 S1: Bring your befuddlement, friend. That is. That is great. But why? 85 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,760 S1: Why the emotion there? What? What nerve did that touch 86 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:24,880 S1: as you were reading it? 87 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:31,240 S4: I just, you know, all that Christmas means, you know, 88 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:36,880 S4: just the incarnation of Jesus. Um, all the incredible miracles 89 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,400 S4: that that is and that he's done this not only 90 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,159 S4: to bring great glory to himself and to the father, 91 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,880 S4: but also to bring salvation to us. And it's just 92 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,719 S4: a profound thing, um, for me and for all of us. 93 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,520 S1: Rosie was on a little earlier, Michael, uh, this week. 94 00:05:52,930 --> 00:05:55,849 S1: And one of the things that she said was pay 95 00:05:55,850 --> 00:06:02,049 S1: attention to unbidden tears. Listen to those tears that well 96 00:06:02,089 --> 00:06:05,089 S1: up when that catch you off guard. And it just 97 00:06:05,089 --> 00:06:08,050 S1: happened with you. And it's happened with me this week, too, 98 00:06:08,089 --> 00:06:10,610 S1: as we've talked about some of those, some of those things, 99 00:06:10,610 --> 00:06:14,690 S1: hearing some poetry. And so that's a beautiful thing. Doctor Rudnick, 100 00:06:14,690 --> 00:06:15,570 S1: do you agree with that? 101 00:06:15,570 --> 00:06:18,770 S3: Oh, yeah. It's one of the things that I've noticed 102 00:06:18,770 --> 00:06:21,890 S3: is that I try and steel myself sometimes when I'm 103 00:06:21,890 --> 00:06:24,330 S3: going to read something and I know I'm going to 104 00:06:24,330 --> 00:06:28,770 S3: read it, and then I can't help it. But those 105 00:06:28,770 --> 00:06:35,250 S3: tears come and and, uh, the I always say, just 106 00:06:35,250 --> 00:06:37,610 S3: not what I'm preaching, Lord, just not what I'm preaching. 107 00:06:37,610 --> 00:06:39,650 S3: I don't want to do that. So. 108 00:06:40,690 --> 00:06:43,529 S1: Uh, okay, so you mentioned oh come, oh come, Emmanuel 109 00:06:43,730 --> 00:06:46,930 S1: and Antiphon is a song that is sung back and 110 00:06:46,930 --> 00:06:50,370 S1: forth between two groups with a call and response. Anti 111 00:06:50,370 --> 00:06:54,500 S1: means opposite, Fun means or phone means voice or sound. 112 00:06:54,500 --> 00:06:57,700 S1: In the church of the Middle Ages, worshippers would sing 113 00:06:57,940 --> 00:07:02,540 S1: seven antiphons the week before Christmas, all beginning with O come. 114 00:07:02,860 --> 00:07:06,340 S1: They were called the great O. Each would use an 115 00:07:06,339 --> 00:07:11,900 S1: Old Testament name for the coming of Messiah. Immanuel. Isaiah 714. 116 00:07:11,940 --> 00:07:17,500 S1: Rod of Jesse Isaiah 11 one and ten. Dayspring. Key 117 00:07:17,540 --> 00:07:20,940 S1: of David and desire of nations. So. And I'm just 118 00:07:20,940 --> 00:07:24,300 S1: scratching the surface of O come, O come, Emmanuel. And 119 00:07:24,300 --> 00:07:29,300 S1: it's Veni, Emmanuel, Latin for come, Emmanuel. And it's based 120 00:07:29,300 --> 00:07:32,980 S1: on the Latin plainsong or chants of the 13th century. 121 00:07:33,460 --> 00:07:35,820 S1: And I was going to say the same thing, Doctor 122 00:07:35,820 --> 00:07:40,860 S1: Van Landingham, because it's that that verse that you read. 123 00:07:41,180 --> 00:07:48,380 S1: Veiled in flesh, the Godhead see. Hail the incarnate deity. 124 00:07:48,580 --> 00:07:55,390 S1: Just those words right there. Uh, arrest you because you 125 00:07:55,430 --> 00:07:57,430 S1: can't look at the face of God. But here we 126 00:07:57,430 --> 00:07:59,430 S1: are looking at the face of God, right? 127 00:08:00,070 --> 00:08:03,070 S4: Yeah. And that's that's part of the miracle, you know, 128 00:08:03,110 --> 00:08:07,950 S4: that Jesus becomes and takes upon himself full humanity. It's 129 00:08:07,950 --> 00:08:10,670 S4: just astonishing. The whole thing, top to bottom. 130 00:08:11,030 --> 00:08:13,710 S1: Yeah. Um, and I want to send you a copy 131 00:08:13,710 --> 00:08:18,950 S1: of this, uh, doctor, doctor van Laningham. Hosanna in excelsis. It's, uh, 132 00:08:18,950 --> 00:08:22,550 S1: hymns and devotions for the Christmas season. David and Barbara Lehman, 133 00:08:22,550 --> 00:08:26,630 S1: if you call 86695 Faber or go to Chris Faber Live.com, 134 00:08:27,230 --> 00:08:30,309 S1: we'll and support us here before the end of the year. 135 00:08:30,310 --> 00:08:32,550 S1: We'll send you a copy. We're almost to our goal 136 00:08:32,550 --> 00:08:36,150 S1: already this month. So thanks for your support. Go to 137 00:08:36,190 --> 00:08:40,550 S1: Chris Faber. Scroll down. We'd love to send you a copy. 138 00:08:40,790 --> 00:08:44,230 S1: Chris Faber, Livorno. Doctor. Nick, what were you going to say? 139 00:08:44,230 --> 00:08:48,110 S3: I was going to say 43 years ago. I was, uh, 140 00:08:48,590 --> 00:08:52,309 S3: Holding my firstborn in my arms. He was two months 141 00:08:52,309 --> 00:08:56,470 S3: old and it was Christmas time, and there was a 142 00:08:56,710 --> 00:08:58,870 S3: song that came on the radio. It was a fairly 143 00:08:58,870 --> 00:09:05,309 S3: new Christmas song by John Denver, new at the time and, uh, the, uh, 144 00:09:06,390 --> 00:09:11,590 S3: the the song as I held that baby and it 145 00:09:11,590 --> 00:09:16,949 S3: sang in the last words are Merry Christmas, little Zachary. Mm. Uh. 146 00:09:17,429 --> 00:09:21,949 S3: Merry Christmas, everyone. And, of course, my son was named Zachary, 147 00:09:22,950 --> 00:09:26,790 S3: and I don't know what it was, but holding that baby, 148 00:09:27,270 --> 00:09:30,790 S3: I thought of the incarnation with those words. And I thought, 149 00:09:30,790 --> 00:09:34,510 S3: here I am, holding the greatest miracle I've ever encountered, 150 00:09:35,150 --> 00:09:40,390 S3: which is this baby. And then, uh, to to hear 151 00:09:40,390 --> 00:09:42,949 S3: that and think about how God became a man. That 152 00:09:42,950 --> 00:09:47,310 S3: the Lord Jesus was a baby being held just like that. Uh, 153 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,160 S3: that was the, uh, the theme of the song. A 154 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:56,319 S3: baby just like you. Yeah, I just lost it. The 155 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,480 S3: very thing that that Mike was talking about, that that 156 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:05,239 S3: that God became incarnate. It was it was the most striking, 157 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,880 S3: moving time. That very time when I was holding that baby. 158 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,520 S1: Well, that is what we are celebrating here today and 159 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:16,199 S1: in this season is the incarnation, the in the fleshiness 160 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:21,360 S1: of God Himself, Jesus our Emmanuel. And if you want 161 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,720 S1: to ask a question and Wayne is on the line, Wayne, 162 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,000 S1: you hang on. I will get to you right after 163 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:32,079 S1: we take a break. But here's the number (877) 548-3675. You 164 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,880 S1: get to talk with the two Michaels today at the 165 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:39,439 S1: radio backyard fence. Chris Fabry is how you can reach 166 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,439 S1: us and get to our Facebook page, but I'd love 167 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:49,130 S1: to hear your voice. 3675. This is Chris Fabry live 168 00:10:49,130 --> 00:11:15,850 S1: on Moody Radio. More straight ahead. This is Chris Fabry live. 169 00:11:15,890 --> 00:11:18,450 S1: The two Michaels are here. Oh, I'm so excited. It's 170 00:11:18,450 --> 00:11:21,570 S1: almost Christmas. It's a week before Christmas. Can you believe it? 171 00:11:21,850 --> 00:11:24,849 S1: And they're going to answer your questions about the Bible, 172 00:11:25,130 --> 00:11:28,650 S1: the Christian life and Christmas especially. And the first calls 173 00:11:28,650 --> 00:11:33,610 S1: from Wayne, who's somewhere on the road in Florida probably. Hey, Wayne, 174 00:11:33,610 --> 00:11:34,410 S1: go right ahead. 175 00:11:35,850 --> 00:11:39,609 S5: Hey, Chris. How are you guys doing? We're doing great, Michael. 176 00:11:40,130 --> 00:11:44,329 S5: Michael messed me up, man. Michael Van Dam pulling me 177 00:11:44,330 --> 00:11:45,179 S5: on to the tears. 178 00:11:46,100 --> 00:11:46,860 S1: Same here. 179 00:11:47,740 --> 00:11:51,620 S5: I have to, um. Oh. Holy night. I was driving 180 00:11:51,620 --> 00:11:55,740 S5: to work. Uh, the the stars are brightly shining. It's 181 00:11:55,740 --> 00:11:59,340 S5: the night of our dear Savior's birth. And I'm putting 182 00:11:59,340 --> 00:12:03,980 S5: the tears. And there you. Come on. Put me to 183 00:12:03,980 --> 00:12:12,220 S5: tears now. Oh my God. Anyway, um, uh, Mike b well, anyway, um, 184 00:12:12,540 --> 00:12:15,980 S5: I was thinking about, uh, the the Magi, the the 185 00:12:15,980 --> 00:12:20,380 S5: wise men. Yes. Um, I was just thinking about where 186 00:12:20,380 --> 00:12:24,940 S5: they really come from. They come from Daniel. Uh, these 187 00:12:24,940 --> 00:12:26,860 S5: are my dad. And my dad used to be where 188 00:12:26,900 --> 00:12:31,580 S5: they they they want to study the stars. So I 189 00:12:31,580 --> 00:12:35,579 S5: really want to just ask Mike, uh, both of you, 190 00:12:35,580 --> 00:12:38,980 S5: if you know exactly where. Or do they have any 191 00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:42,220 S5: kind of biblical search I can search to find out 192 00:12:42,220 --> 00:12:45,870 S5: where Exactly from Daniel or from somewhere else. 193 00:12:46,110 --> 00:12:49,670 S6: Great question. All right, who wants to take that first, Mike? 194 00:12:51,670 --> 00:12:54,910 S4: Michael, you go first. Okay, Daniel, you have you have 195 00:12:54,910 --> 00:12:56,110 S4: something to say about this? 196 00:12:56,550 --> 00:12:58,630 S3: Well, I think it's so interesting that Daniel was the 197 00:12:58,630 --> 00:13:01,230 S3: head of the wise men in Persia, in that area 198 00:13:01,230 --> 00:13:04,510 S3: of the world. Uh, he was given authority in the 199 00:13:04,510 --> 00:13:08,790 S3: Babylonian kingdom, then in the Middle Persian kingdom. And I 200 00:13:08,790 --> 00:13:12,470 S3: think it's important to remember that he had the Torah 201 00:13:12,670 --> 00:13:14,870 S3: with him there. He had some of the prophets with 202 00:13:14,870 --> 00:13:17,390 S3: him there. The Bible was not complete when he wrote 203 00:13:17,390 --> 00:13:22,230 S3: his book, but he had biblical materials. He cites from Jeremiah. 204 00:13:22,590 --> 00:13:26,910 S3: He cites from the Torah. And so he had much 205 00:13:27,030 --> 00:13:30,150 S3: to leave there. I'm sure there were other Jews in 206 00:13:30,150 --> 00:13:33,870 S3: captivity that when the Bible was complete, gave it to 207 00:13:33,910 --> 00:13:36,710 S3: those same wise men, and it was passed on from 208 00:13:36,710 --> 00:13:40,230 S3: generation to generation, so that, first of all, they had 209 00:13:40,230 --> 00:13:44,510 S3: an objective Text that was pointing them to a coming Messiah, 210 00:13:44,510 --> 00:13:47,550 S3: so they were looking for him. I think also the 211 00:13:47,550 --> 00:13:50,670 S3: fact that they were not really astrologers, I don't think, 212 00:13:50,670 --> 00:13:56,109 S3: but more of astronomers studying the, the, the solar system. 213 00:13:56,630 --> 00:14:00,790 S3: And as they did that, that's when God revealed himself. Uh, 214 00:14:00,990 --> 00:14:06,110 S3: that this is that this, uh, scripture has come to fulfillment. 215 00:14:06,150 --> 00:14:09,990 S3: You know, there's a messianic prophecy that describes the Messiah 216 00:14:09,990 --> 00:14:14,630 S3: himself as a star. Matthew. Uh, numbers 24. The star 217 00:14:14,670 --> 00:14:18,390 S3: that will rise out of Jacob. And I know that's 218 00:14:18,429 --> 00:14:24,310 S3: a a metaphor, uh, for the Messiah. It doesn't mean 219 00:14:24,310 --> 00:14:26,710 S3: that he's going to be an actual star, but that's 220 00:14:26,710 --> 00:14:29,590 S3: what they're looking for. They're looking for a messiah coming. 221 00:14:29,590 --> 00:14:32,910 S3: And that that verse probably prompted them. The legacy of 222 00:14:32,910 --> 00:14:37,390 S3: Daniel prompted them. Then they see, uh, this amazing sign 223 00:14:37,390 --> 00:14:41,760 S3: in the heavens, and they pursue the The what they 224 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,480 S3: thought was a star seemed like a star, but I 225 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,760 S3: think was actually the pillar of fire that led Israel 226 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,520 S3: in the wilderness in the same way it led them 227 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,120 S3: to Jerusalem and then to Bethlehem. 228 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:59,280 S1: The Shekinah glory is that. Is that what you're talking? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. 229 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,560 S1: All right. And and for those who are saying, well, 230 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,320 S1: where are you getting this Magi thing? It's in Matthew 231 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,920 S1: chapter two. After Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea 232 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,240 S1: in the days of King Herod, wise men from the 233 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,120 S1: east arrived unexpectedly in Jerusalem, saying, where is he who 234 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,000 S1: has been born King of the Jews? For we saw 235 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,360 S1: his star in the East, and have come to worship him. 236 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:22,600 S1: Doctor Vanlandingham. 237 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,400 S4: Yeah. You know, Wayne, first of all, my apologies for 238 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,000 S4: getting you all emotional. It's kind of infectious, isn't it? 239 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,280 S4: It really is. Um, you know, the the Magi are 240 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:40,130 S4: just such enigmatic figures. We just. There's so many things 241 00:15:40,130 --> 00:15:42,370 S4: that that we just don't know about them. I think 242 00:15:42,370 --> 00:15:45,090 S4: Michael's right. I think it's very likely they probably had 243 00:15:45,090 --> 00:15:48,610 S4: Daniel's prophecy. They probably had a sense of when the 244 00:15:48,610 --> 00:15:52,930 S4: arrival of the Messiah might be. And then, um, with 245 00:15:52,930 --> 00:15:56,570 S4: the appearance of this supernatural star. That star, by the way, 246 00:15:56,570 --> 00:16:00,370 S4: is not some sort of natural astronomical alignment of planets 247 00:16:00,370 --> 00:16:04,130 S4: and stars because it moves around which which in alignment 248 00:16:04,130 --> 00:16:07,370 S4: would not do it leads them from where they were 249 00:16:07,410 --> 00:16:11,170 S4: to Bethlehem and hovers over the place where Jesus was born. 250 00:16:11,170 --> 00:16:14,090 S4: And so, um, so we really we don't know a 251 00:16:14,090 --> 00:16:17,290 S4: whole lot about them, but but it's cool how they responded. 252 00:16:17,290 --> 00:16:20,210 S4: And on a practical level, let me just say that 253 00:16:20,210 --> 00:16:25,290 S4: you've got Magi, very possibly, who are not Jewish, who 254 00:16:25,290 --> 00:16:28,770 S4: nevertheless have come seeking the Jewish Messiah, and so many 255 00:16:28,770 --> 00:16:33,730 S4: of the Jewish leaders couldn't care less, apparently. You know what? 256 00:16:33,730 --> 00:16:36,730 S4: What an astonishing thing that the Lord would do to 257 00:16:36,770 --> 00:16:40,340 S4: make them an example to us Gentiles of of the 258 00:16:40,340 --> 00:16:44,820 S4: importance of seeking and embracing. Um, the Messiah for the 259 00:16:44,820 --> 00:16:46,500 S4: Jewish people and for the whole world. 260 00:16:46,940 --> 00:16:49,580 S3: So I want to jump on that, Mike, what you 261 00:16:49,580 --> 00:16:52,220 S3: just said. That's so true, by the way, I get 262 00:16:52,220 --> 00:16:57,660 S3: to preach this passage on the Sunday after Christmas at 263 00:16:57,660 --> 00:17:03,620 S3: my home congregation. So, uh, because, uh, it actually does happen. 264 00:17:03,780 --> 00:17:08,420 S3: Those Magi were not in the manger. They came afterwards. 265 00:17:08,619 --> 00:17:12,420 S3: And so I'll be speaking about it after Christmas. I'm 266 00:17:12,460 --> 00:17:16,100 S3: kind of excited about getting to speak there, but when 267 00:17:16,100 --> 00:17:20,820 S3: I look at Herod, he's openly hostile. When I look at, uh, 268 00:17:20,980 --> 00:17:24,219 S3: and some people are hostile, some people are like the 269 00:17:24,220 --> 00:17:29,179 S3: Magi who come to worship him. But Herod gathers the 270 00:17:29,180 --> 00:17:36,340 S3: religious leaders and they cite the verse Micah five two, 271 00:17:37,109 --> 00:17:42,470 S3: they accurately exegete it. They make the right conclusion. They 272 00:17:42,470 --> 00:17:44,990 S3: say he's going to be born in Bethlehem. They do 273 00:17:44,990 --> 00:17:50,590 S3: everything right, but they don't go the ten kilometers or 274 00:17:50,590 --> 00:17:56,389 S3: so from Jerusalem to Bethlehem. It's a it's just a 275 00:17:56,750 --> 00:18:01,710 S3: maybe eight miles when you think about it, from Jerusalem 276 00:18:01,710 --> 00:18:06,630 S3: to Bethlehem, they could walk that and they don't do it. 277 00:18:06,910 --> 00:18:11,750 S3: And I always thought of that when I became a 278 00:18:11,750 --> 00:18:16,629 S3: professor or any kind of academic setting, that it's really 279 00:18:16,630 --> 00:18:21,630 S3: dangerous to be an academic, to have informed indifference, to 280 00:18:21,670 --> 00:18:26,190 S3: know so much and not actually have it live out 281 00:18:26,230 --> 00:18:29,510 S3: in our lives. And that that was always a caution 282 00:18:29,510 --> 00:18:32,109 S3: to me when I was leading a congregation, when I 283 00:18:32,109 --> 00:18:36,350 S3: was teaching students, this is the greatest danger that I 284 00:18:36,350 --> 00:18:42,109 S3: thought I faced, was becoming blasé about something that's so crucial. 285 00:18:42,430 --> 00:18:45,750 S3: Just because I know about it doesn't mean I've experienced it. 286 00:18:45,750 --> 00:18:49,150 S3: And they should have gone with the Magi, but they didn't. 287 00:18:49,510 --> 00:18:52,350 S3: And so I think that's a great caution for anyone 288 00:18:52,350 --> 00:18:56,510 S3: who's in religious leadership or academic in the academic world, 289 00:18:56,990 --> 00:19:00,230 S3: not to become academically indifferent to the birth of Jesus. 290 00:19:00,750 --> 00:19:02,870 S1: Wayne, thanks for your call. Today. There's a follow up 291 00:19:02,869 --> 00:19:06,149 S1: on Facebook. Michelle says this may be a silly question. 292 00:19:06,150 --> 00:19:09,830 S1: No Michelle, no silly questions. This popped into my head yesterday. 293 00:19:09,830 --> 00:19:13,270 S1: What did Mary and Joseph do with baby Jesus? Gifts 294 00:19:13,390 --> 00:19:17,190 S1: from the Magi. And I've heard you two talk about 295 00:19:17,190 --> 00:19:19,629 S1: this before, Doctor Vee. You first. 296 00:19:20,710 --> 00:19:23,350 S4: Right. We don't know. The text doesn't tell us, but 297 00:19:23,350 --> 00:19:26,110 S4: we do know that because of the threat of Herod, 298 00:19:26,990 --> 00:19:28,870 S4: that Joseph was told in a dream that he needs 299 00:19:28,869 --> 00:19:32,030 S4: to take his family down to Egypt and and find 300 00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:35,840 S4: some security and safety there. I've heard it said, and 301 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,000 S4: I don't have any reason to doubt it, that it's 302 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,120 S4: quite possible that that the gifts the Magi brought were 303 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:47,919 S4: used to sustain Mary, Joseph and Jesus in, uh, in Egypt. 304 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,440 S4: Inasmuch as Joseph probably would not have had ready work, 305 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,040 S4: they would have needed something to be able to survive on. 306 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,640 S4: And so maybe those gifts were used by them to 307 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,240 S4: do that. Um, for that. In which case, that's a 308 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,840 S4: cool providential thing that the Lord did for them. 309 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,720 S3: Yeah. So, uh, can I ask a question of of 310 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,439 S3: Mike V? Sure. Sure. Uh, I want to know when 311 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:14,280 S3: you think the Magi arrived after the birth of Jesus. And, uh, 312 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:18,320 S3: how soon after? How long were they down in Egypt, 313 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:18,960 S3: do you think? 314 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:24,520 S4: Again, nobody. Nobody knows. But clearly. And you know this. 315 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,320 S4: Everybody knows this. Herod, um, wants all the baby boys 316 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,240 S4: in Bethlehem killed two years of age and under. I 317 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,530 S4: don't think the Magi probably got there when Jesus was 318 00:20:34,530 --> 00:20:38,489 S4: two years old. But but Herod wants to have a 319 00:20:38,490 --> 00:20:41,410 S4: margin of error there. He wants to make sure that 320 00:20:41,410 --> 00:20:44,970 S4: anybody that that could possibly be the Messiah is killed. Um, 321 00:20:44,970 --> 00:20:50,530 S4: as as a youngster, um, I think it's probably within days, um, 322 00:20:50,850 --> 00:20:54,010 S4: maybe a week or two after Jesus was born, but 323 00:20:54,050 --> 00:20:57,130 S4: I don't think it was very long after that. And 324 00:20:57,130 --> 00:21:00,450 S4: how how long they stayed in Egypt? Um, I don't know. 325 00:21:00,730 --> 00:21:06,330 S4: Long enough to have, um, the the, um, Herod Antipas. 326 00:21:06,330 --> 00:21:07,650 S4: Is it Herod Antipas? Who? 327 00:21:07,690 --> 00:21:10,170 S3: Herod the Great. Herod Archelaus. 328 00:21:10,609 --> 00:21:13,970 S4: I'm sorry. Yeah. Herod the Great dies. And then. And 329 00:21:13,970 --> 00:21:17,570 S4: so they come up. I don't know, six months year, maybe. Um, 330 00:21:17,609 --> 00:21:18,290 S4: hard to say. 331 00:21:19,930 --> 00:21:21,050 S1: You agree with that, Michael? 332 00:21:21,290 --> 00:21:23,290 S3: Yeah. I don't think a lot of people are saying 333 00:21:23,290 --> 00:21:26,770 S3: that they were refugees to Egypt. They weren't refugees. They 334 00:21:26,770 --> 00:21:31,170 S3: were there for a couple of months, maybe, you know, 335 00:21:31,260 --> 00:21:35,899 S3: because if I don't think the Lord was born two 336 00:21:35,900 --> 00:21:40,659 S3: years before Herod's death. So I think he was probably 337 00:21:40,660 --> 00:21:46,340 S3: born somewhere in four BC. And then Herod died shortly thereafter. 338 00:21:46,340 --> 00:21:51,980 S3: And then, uh, they they come back. Uh, so it's 339 00:21:52,020 --> 00:21:55,219 S3: I just they weren't refugees so much as they were 340 00:21:55,460 --> 00:22:00,380 S3: seeking protection, uh, for a short time. So they were 341 00:22:00,380 --> 00:22:02,700 S3: they were probably not in a Residence Inn, but probably 342 00:22:02,700 --> 00:22:03,979 S3: more of a Holiday Inn. 343 00:22:04,220 --> 00:22:07,859 S1: So this is one of the things I love about 344 00:22:07,859 --> 00:22:11,220 S1: the scriptures, though, is how specific and how rooted in 345 00:22:11,619 --> 00:22:15,379 S1: the historical evidence, you know that it is, and that 346 00:22:15,380 --> 00:22:19,500 S1: you can check the secular, uh, people who are writing history, 347 00:22:20,300 --> 00:22:23,420 S1: check it against them as well, because this all happened 348 00:22:23,420 --> 00:22:27,260 S1: in time and space and we're given this biblical record. 349 00:22:27,260 --> 00:22:32,790 S1: So we're talking about the two Michaels today, eight, (877) 548-3675. 350 00:22:32,830 --> 00:22:36,150 S1: Guy is in Florida. Hello there guy. Go right ahead. 351 00:22:39,550 --> 00:22:42,950 S1: And I don't hear God. Oh, there he is. Okay. Yeah, 352 00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:43,430 S1: I had to get. 353 00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:46,390 S7: The speaker off him. Okay. My question is, and this 354 00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:48,629 S7: has been bothering me for about ten years, and it 355 00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:52,470 S7: has to do with the virgin birth. And it makes 356 00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:56,270 S7: sense to me. The reason why the Virgin had to 357 00:22:56,270 --> 00:23:00,510 S7: be a virgin birth is because I've been told that 358 00:23:00,510 --> 00:23:05,630 S7: the bloodline is passed through the male. And like, I've 359 00:23:05,630 --> 00:23:08,790 S7: had five kids, they're grown now. But you know, after 360 00:23:08,790 --> 00:23:12,790 S7: about three months, four months, you know, those babies, they'll 361 00:23:12,790 --> 00:23:14,590 S7: make your life miserable if you don't give them what 362 00:23:14,590 --> 00:23:17,429 S7: they want. So so they they have the sin nature 363 00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:21,310 S7: in them. And so what is your take on the 364 00:23:21,310 --> 00:23:24,669 S7: reason for the virgin birth was so that the sin 365 00:23:24,670 --> 00:23:27,990 S7: nature was not passed on to Jesus. What's your take 366 00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:28,800 S7: on that. 367 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,520 S1: Good question. Okay. Doctor Rudnick, you first. 368 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,680 S8: Oh. Me first. Don't do me first. You go. Mike. 369 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:36,760 S9: Okay. All right. 370 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:41,680 S4: So, I mean, um, I think that's part of the answer. Certainly. Uh, 371 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:46,240 S4: the fact that Jesus was born of a virgin. Um, 372 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,720 S4: I think does spare him from the inheritance of a 373 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,399 S4: sin nature. Um, the problem is, we're not told the 374 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,199 S4: mechanics of the virgin birth. We don't know if Mary 375 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,400 S4: provided the egg. And, uh, God, the Holy Spirit provided 376 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:06,560 S4: the male corresponding, um, aspect of that. We don't know that. 377 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,800 S4: It could be that God inserted into the womb of Mary, um, 378 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,400 S4: a fully formed human embryo, free of the sin nature. 379 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,199 S4: We just don't know. We don't know what those mechanics are. 380 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,760 S4: But at the very least, we can say that. That 381 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,480 S4: the virgin birth does keep Jesus from having a sin nature. 382 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,479 S4: And so I think from that standpoint, it was, uh, 383 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,840 S4: Absolutely essential that it take place. Plus, it had to 384 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,840 S4: fulfill prophecy. Um, Isaiah chapter seven. 385 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:39,879 S3: Uh, I would say that there was a catch 22 386 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:44,440 S3: set up in the prophet Jeremiah. It says in Jeremiah 387 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:49,520 S3: 2233 about Jeconiah or Konia. Sometimes he's called one of 388 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:54,600 S3: the last kings of Judah. Record this man as childless, 389 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,160 S3: a man who will not be successful in his lifetime. 390 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,399 S3: None of his descendants will succeed in sitting on the 391 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:05,960 S3: throne of David or ruling again in Judah. So Jeconiah 392 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,280 S3: was not to have any of his descendants sit on 393 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,959 S3: the throne. Then when you go to Matthew one, you'll 394 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:18,280 S3: see that the Lord Jesus is actually, uh, in the 395 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:25,970 S3: line of jeconiah through Joseph. So that's how can Someone 396 00:25:25,970 --> 00:25:29,010 S3: who has only someone from that line has the right 397 00:25:29,010 --> 00:25:33,450 S3: to rule. On the other hand, he's been written childless. 398 00:25:33,650 --> 00:25:37,530 S3: The solution is a virgin birth. So as an adopted child, 399 00:25:37,530 --> 00:25:41,290 S3: he gets the right to rule through Joseph. And as 400 00:25:41,609 --> 00:25:44,609 S3: the natural born child of Mary, he's actually a physical 401 00:25:44,810 --> 00:25:46,570 S3: descendant of David. 402 00:25:47,010 --> 00:25:54,409 S1: The two Michaels are with us today. Here's the number (877) 548-3675. 403 00:25:54,450 --> 00:26:09,770 S1: More straight ahead. O come all ye faithful. That's one 404 00:26:09,770 --> 00:26:11,930 S1: of my favorites as well. The two Michaels were with 405 00:26:11,930 --> 00:26:15,290 S1: me at the radio backyard fence, answering your questions about 406 00:26:15,290 --> 00:26:21,050 S1: Christmas and Doctor Michael Rudnick. Doctor Michael Van Laningham are 407 00:26:21,090 --> 00:26:23,850 S1: joining us. They are the co-editors of the Moody Bible Commentary. 408 00:26:23,890 --> 00:26:27,859 S1: We have that link to Chris. Also a new book 409 00:26:28,140 --> 00:26:32,540 S1: that's really a very easy to read short. It's just 410 00:26:32,540 --> 00:26:35,780 S1: a little over a hundred pages. How should Christians think 411 00:26:35,780 --> 00:26:41,300 S1: about Israel? We're going to have Michael back in just 412 00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:43,740 S1: a couple of weeks or so to talk about this again. 413 00:26:44,300 --> 00:26:47,740 S1: But I wanted you to, uh, I didn't say Happy Hanukkah. 414 00:26:47,740 --> 00:26:49,540 S1: It started. When did Hanukkah start? 415 00:26:49,580 --> 00:26:50,340 S3: Sunday night. 416 00:26:50,740 --> 00:26:53,420 S1: Sunday night. And your grant. You and your grandkids were 417 00:26:53,420 --> 00:26:55,820 S1: lighting candles before the program. Is that right? 418 00:26:55,859 --> 00:26:59,740 S3: That's what I was doing. Lit candles. And, uh, it's 419 00:27:00,380 --> 00:27:05,940 S3: it's interesting. My grandson, who is ten, is finally connecting 420 00:27:05,980 --> 00:27:10,180 S3: to the idea that he's Jewish. Uh, which I think 421 00:27:10,180 --> 00:27:13,379 S3: it's interesting that it it's only now part of it 422 00:27:13,380 --> 00:27:15,820 S3: was in school. They had to read Number the Stars, 423 00:27:16,260 --> 00:27:19,900 S3: which is a book about the Holocaust. And, uh, so 424 00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:22,820 S3: we were talking about that today, and I said, we're 425 00:27:22,820 --> 00:27:26,390 S3: lighting the candles because we're still here. Because God delivered us. 426 00:27:26,430 --> 00:27:30,990 S3: A great miracle happened there. And, uh, and that's what 427 00:27:30,990 --> 00:27:32,710 S3: today is, the first day that he ever found out 428 00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:36,230 S3: that my parents survived the Holocaust and that I had siblings, 429 00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:39,190 S3: that that perished in the Holocaust. He didn't know that. 430 00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:42,550 S3: And so I think the candle lighting was even more 431 00:27:42,550 --> 00:27:44,590 S3: significant to him than ever. 432 00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:46,670 S1: How did he respond? What did he say? 433 00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:50,390 S3: He was kind of shocked because it was so other. 434 00:27:50,830 --> 00:27:53,869 S3: It was it was the other part of part of life. 435 00:27:53,910 --> 00:27:55,750 S3: You know, it's this is what happened to people in Europe. 436 00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:59,109 S3: He doesn't think of me as having European Jewish roots, 437 00:27:59,710 --> 00:28:02,750 S3: but my my mom was from Germany, my dad from Poland, 438 00:28:02,750 --> 00:28:05,950 S3: and all of a sudden it clicked and he wanted 439 00:28:05,950 --> 00:28:10,590 S3: to see pictures. So that was that was and but, 440 00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:13,629 S3: you know, as we talked about it, that Antiochus wanted 441 00:28:13,630 --> 00:28:17,110 S3: to destroy the Jewish people. And if he had succeeded, 442 00:28:17,869 --> 00:28:19,990 S3: not only would there be no Jewish people, there'd be 443 00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:25,440 S3: no Jesus. There'd be no Christmas celebration, right? And so 444 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,520 S3: in doing that, it was it was interesting that we 445 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:33,320 S3: talked about the four words, the letters on the dreidel, 446 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,120 S3: the little top, the game that we played. He's played 447 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,920 S3: that since he can remember. And and today it really 448 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,720 S3: struck him about a great miracle happened there. God delivered 449 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,040 S3: us and we're still here. 450 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:52,160 S1: Well, you look around then today at what happened in Australia, 451 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:57,480 S1: you know, the last weekend and some of the other uprisings, 452 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,440 S1: things that you've seen, the the anti-Semitism that is out 453 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,880 S1: there and the, the Jewishness of Jesus comes back. We 454 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,880 S1: have to remember that. I know both of you agree 455 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:08,520 S1: with that. 456 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,080 S3: I would just say something about Mike Van Landingham after 457 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:17,680 S3: what happened in Australia, I get a note from Van Landingham. 458 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,600 S3: He's like, if you need safety, if you need protection, 459 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:27,360 S3: I'm here. Uh, and and I thought not many people 460 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,920 S3: realize this, but Jewish people divide the world into those 461 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,880 S3: who would. Who would protect us, hide us. Should there 462 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:39,080 S3: be another worldwide attempt to destroy the Jewish people and those, uh, 463 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,560 S3: who wouldn't? And I always, as I said to Mike, 464 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,360 S3: you and Sue, you were on our list of people 465 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,600 S3: we know that are going to going to stand with 466 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,959 S3: us and stand with our people. And it meant a 467 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:52,600 S3: lot to me. 468 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:54,240 S9: Yeah. 469 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,840 S4: Well, it's it's the right thing to say. Um, you know, I, 470 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:04,880 S4: I have to say, um, what happened in Australia, um, was, 471 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,640 S4: and this is a strong word, it was infuriating to 472 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,160 S4: me when I see these kinds of things happening, the 473 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,560 S4: rise of anti-Semitism today, and much of it comes from 474 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:22,050 S4: Christian nationalists. And I'm probably more in that camp than 475 00:30:22,050 --> 00:30:26,730 S4: any other. And yet, Christian nationalists who hate Jewish people 476 00:30:26,770 --> 00:30:32,130 S4: are absolutely wrong. And they're actually violating an imperative verb, 477 00:30:32,170 --> 00:30:37,770 S4: a command verb in Romans chapter 11. Um, and, uh, 478 00:30:37,850 --> 00:30:42,690 S4: verse 18, do not be arrogant against the branches and 479 00:30:42,690 --> 00:30:46,010 S4: the branches here representing the Jewish people. We are not 480 00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:49,690 S4: to be arrogant against them, proud against them. Um, certainly 481 00:30:49,690 --> 00:30:54,090 S4: not abusive and slanderous of them. And so if you 482 00:30:54,130 --> 00:30:59,410 S4: call yourself a Christian at all, change your thinking about this, 483 00:30:59,410 --> 00:31:04,570 S4: because it's absolutely opposed by God. You cannot think that 484 00:31:04,570 --> 00:31:08,450 S4: and be, uh, be somebody that God approves of, even 485 00:31:08,490 --> 00:31:10,610 S4: even as a believer. I've got to say it that way. 486 00:31:11,010 --> 00:31:11,370 S9: Yeah. 487 00:31:12,370 --> 00:31:15,290 S1: And, doctor, that's part of why you wrote this. How 488 00:31:15,290 --> 00:31:19,620 S1: should Christians think about Israel? Modern day Israel, but also 489 00:31:19,620 --> 00:31:24,060 S1: going back to the Jewish roots and seeing where our 490 00:31:24,060 --> 00:31:25,500 S1: Savior is. Jewish, right? 491 00:31:25,540 --> 00:31:27,940 S3: Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's so interesting when you read 492 00:31:27,940 --> 00:31:33,780 S3: the the story, what were the angels told? Uh, is 493 00:31:33,780 --> 00:31:37,460 S3: that that that the king of the Jewish people today, 494 00:31:37,460 --> 00:31:40,460 S3: a savior is born. Who is Messiah? Lord born for 495 00:31:40,460 --> 00:31:44,780 S3: you this day in the city of David. And and 496 00:31:44,940 --> 00:31:50,420 S3: Mary is told. And you could see in Luke two, uh, that, 497 00:31:50,420 --> 00:31:52,900 S3: that this is going to be someone from the line 498 00:31:52,940 --> 00:31:58,460 S3: of David. Uh, Simeon. This is so amazing. Uh, Simeon, 499 00:31:58,660 --> 00:32:02,060 S3: when he sees the baby, he says that this baby 500 00:32:02,060 --> 00:32:05,100 S3: is a light for revelation, for the Gentiles and the 501 00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:10,100 S3: glory to your people, Israel. Isn't that interesting? And, uh, 502 00:32:10,540 --> 00:32:15,979 S3: Mary goes to the temple to offer the sacrifice, uh, 503 00:32:16,430 --> 00:32:20,470 S3: for that's required for purification. She's obeying the Torah because 504 00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:23,990 S3: she's a Jewish woman, and every firstborn male child would 505 00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:30,830 S3: be dedicated to the Lord, every firstborn Jewish male child. And, uh, 506 00:32:30,990 --> 00:32:35,030 S3: he was circumcised after eight days. And what I find 507 00:32:35,030 --> 00:32:39,830 S3: interesting is people want to negate this Jewishness of Jesus. Uh, 508 00:32:40,270 --> 00:32:42,750 S3: if you study the the history of the Holocaust, that's 509 00:32:42,750 --> 00:32:45,510 S3: one of the things that the church tried to do 510 00:32:46,270 --> 00:32:55,310 S3: in Nazi Germany. They tried to, uh, somehow, uh. Say 511 00:32:55,310 --> 00:33:00,630 S3: that that the Jewish people of that day are not 512 00:33:00,630 --> 00:33:03,070 S3: the same Jewish people as in the Bible. And that's 513 00:33:03,070 --> 00:33:08,590 S3: exactly what's being said today. Uh, the reason I know 514 00:33:08,590 --> 00:33:12,110 S3: that is this book has been advertised by Moody Publishers 515 00:33:12,550 --> 00:33:15,880 S3: on social media, and I'm reading the comments and people 516 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:20,480 S3: are saying the Jewish people are not really the Jewish people, that, uh, they're, 517 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,800 S3: they're some Ukrainian tribe that adopted Judaism. That's not true. 518 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,200 S3: It's a complete fabrication, uh, that Jewish people are not, uh, 519 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,880 S3: lexical studies. Uh, also, uh, DNA studies have shown that 520 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:39,200 S3: that's false, but people are saying it and therefore justifying 521 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,720 S3: their really vile statements about Jewish people. And it was 522 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:49,120 S3: all over those those advertisements that Moody Publishers was posting. 523 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,800 S1: People responding that way. Well, all the more reason why 524 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,800 S1: this is important work, an important little work. How should 525 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:01,560 S1: Christians think about Israel? Sometimes the most powerful things are very, very, 526 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,040 S1: very small packages. And, uh, doctor McMichael has written this. 527 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,359 S1: We'll put a link up at Chris. Did you want 528 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:10,239 S1: to say something else, Mike? 529 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,600 S3: Yeah, it's it's it will be called great. 530 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:13,520 S9: Hmm. 531 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,719 S3: And will be called the son. He will be great 532 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,359 S3: and will be called the son of the Most High. 533 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,640 S3: The Lord God will give him the throne of his 534 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,879 S3: father David. He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, 535 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,719 S3: and his kingdom will have no end. I think it's 536 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:34,759 S3: so interesting. There's that that Ogden Nash statement. Uh, I'm 537 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,680 S3: trying to say it right, but how odd of God 538 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,600 S3: to choose the Jews. But odder still that those who 539 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,919 S3: worship the the Jewish God and worship the Jewish God 540 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:49,080 S3: but hate the Jews. And, uh, that is, I think, 541 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,359 S3: one of the amazing things that I'm seeing. I thought 542 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,839 S3: we had a little window. I used to think it 543 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,120 S3: was over until the Antichrist. I thought it was over. 544 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,120 S3: This this hatred of Jewish people. But it's lying under 545 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,520 S3: the surface. And we had a little post World War two, 546 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,479 S3: two generations where, uh, this hatred was not prevalent. But 547 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,130 S3: now it seems to be back in, And it just 548 00:35:13,170 --> 00:35:14,850 S3: exploded like an epidemic. 549 00:35:14,890 --> 00:35:17,370 S1: Yeah, well, when we come back from a break, I 550 00:35:17,370 --> 00:35:20,730 S1: want to go into some of the fallacies. Doctor Vanlandingham, 551 00:35:20,730 --> 00:35:23,370 S1: you were talking a little bit earlier about some of 552 00:35:23,370 --> 00:35:27,450 S1: the fallacies that, uh, we think what we think in 553 00:35:27,650 --> 00:35:31,290 S1: of the, the Magi are there, and there's the baby 554 00:35:31,290 --> 00:35:34,090 S1: and the, the shepherds are all there, and the star 555 00:35:34,090 --> 00:35:38,450 S1: that's above and everybody's. Well, we we Currier and Ives 556 00:35:38,570 --> 00:35:41,610 S1: or what the stable was like or what the room 557 00:35:41,610 --> 00:35:44,130 S1: was like. So we're going to talk about some of 558 00:35:44,130 --> 00:35:46,210 S1: those fallacies when we get back. And I got a 559 00:35:46,210 --> 00:35:50,089 S1: question from Claudia that she wants to ask. And here's 560 00:35:50,090 --> 00:35:53,850 S1: the website Chris Fabry lives. See our links. See how 561 00:35:53,850 --> 00:35:57,009 S1: you can support us right there. Go to Chris Fabry. 562 00:35:59,050 --> 00:36:02,010 S1: Tomorrow we're going to ask you about your favorite hymn 563 00:36:02,010 --> 00:36:04,730 S1: or carol. Greg Wheatley is going to be with us 564 00:36:04,890 --> 00:36:22,980 S1: here on Chris Fabry Live more straight ahead. Two Michaels 565 00:36:22,980 --> 00:36:25,299 S1: are here at the radio backyard fence. This is Chris 566 00:36:25,340 --> 00:36:30,299 S1: Fabry live one week until Christmas. And Claudia had this question. 567 00:36:30,300 --> 00:36:32,540 S1: And I know Mike V is not going to like 568 00:36:32,540 --> 00:36:35,460 S1: this question because he gets we don't there's some things 569 00:36:35,460 --> 00:36:38,140 S1: that we don't know. But she said what is what 570 00:36:38,140 --> 00:36:41,339 S1: did people use for diapers in that culture at that time? 571 00:36:41,620 --> 00:36:45,060 S1: You know, 2000 years ago they weren't. And then she goes, 572 00:36:45,060 --> 00:36:49,220 S1: the real question is how hard it was for Mary 573 00:36:49,219 --> 00:36:53,380 S1: and Joseph. They were not at home. They didn't have 574 00:36:53,580 --> 00:36:56,779 S1: the convenience of being at home. Mary really had her 575 00:36:56,780 --> 00:37:00,580 S1: hands full. Uh, Joseph had to trust to find work 576 00:37:00,580 --> 00:37:03,219 S1: in a strange land when he went to Egypt. She 577 00:37:03,219 --> 00:37:08,739 S1: says these were amazing people. But the question is, tell 578 00:37:08,739 --> 00:37:12,670 S1: me about diapers. And the first thing I thought was, uh, 579 00:37:12,670 --> 00:37:18,110 S1: your your righteousness is as filthy rags. So it's like 580 00:37:18,350 --> 00:37:23,390 S1: using using rags to, uh, for a baby or for 581 00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:27,989 S1: a menstrual cycle. That's what I'm assuming happened. Who wants 582 00:37:27,989 --> 00:37:28,910 S1: to take that, Mike? 583 00:37:30,350 --> 00:37:34,470 S4: Uh, yes. That's how it was. Next question. 584 00:37:36,750 --> 00:37:39,189 S1: All right, doctor, you got to jump in here. 585 00:37:39,830 --> 00:37:42,069 S4: You help me. There's not much more to say. There's 586 00:37:42,070 --> 00:37:44,390 S4: not much more to say than that. You know, they 587 00:37:44,430 --> 00:37:49,190 S4: used rags, um, for these kinds of things. And so, um. 588 00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:52,029 S4: That's it. Cloth diapers. 589 00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:53,270 S1: Doctor? 590 00:37:53,550 --> 00:37:58,350 S3: Yeah. We've been using cloth diapers for two millennia or more. Uh, 591 00:37:58,750 --> 00:38:01,830 S3: for millennia beyond that, even before, uh, in the Old 592 00:38:01,870 --> 00:38:05,910 S3: Testament era, that's what they did. So it's just cloth diapers. 593 00:38:06,110 --> 00:38:11,040 S3: We think that Pampers, you know. we are an essential, but, 594 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,040 S3: you know, disposable diapers. But that's not the case. Probably 595 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,359 S3: our earth was better off before we had those disposable diapers. 596 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:17,880 S1: There were. 597 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:18,080 S3: No. 598 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,200 S1: Huggies back then. 599 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,440 S3: Yeah. And, uh. Yeah. Let's be equal opportunity here and 600 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:30,400 S3: advertise everyone. But but the the other question she said is, 601 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,080 S3: you know how hard it was that. 602 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:41,160 S1: Oh, we just lost. We just lost doctor. Um. Oh. 603 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,799 S1: How hard. Yeah. How hard it was the real the 604 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,200 S1: struggle that they had. 605 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,840 S4: Mike V no question about it. I mean, they, you know, Mary, 606 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,320 S4: as near as we can tell, walked about 85 miles 607 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,160 S4: from Nazareth to Bethlehem when she was about eight and 608 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,200 S4: a half months pregnant or better. I mean, they had 609 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,080 S4: the barge. She might have ridden on a donkey, but 610 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,440 S4: we don't know that for sure. She could have walked it. Donkeys, 611 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,399 S4: you expect in those days, and they may not have 612 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,649 S4: had the means to have such an animal and then 613 00:39:09,650 --> 00:39:12,410 S4: going down to Egypt as well shortly after the birth. Yeah, 614 00:39:12,410 --> 00:39:15,890 S4: these were incredibly hard times, but it's amazing to me 615 00:39:15,890 --> 00:39:19,930 S4: that that I, I think they handled it really quite well, 616 00:39:20,250 --> 00:39:22,970 S4: but it's because they knew God to be with them. Yeah. 617 00:39:23,330 --> 00:39:24,050 S1: All right. Mike. 618 00:39:24,090 --> 00:39:27,850 S3: Doctor Dowling I would say though, that probably it was 619 00:39:27,850 --> 00:39:30,690 S3: only a short time in Egypt and probably they used 620 00:39:30,690 --> 00:39:34,930 S3: the money, uh, the value of the gold, frankincense and myrrh. 621 00:39:34,969 --> 00:39:37,609 S3: That was very valuable. They probably were able to use 622 00:39:37,610 --> 00:39:39,970 S3: that money to get there. Maybe they even took business 623 00:39:39,969 --> 00:39:42,570 S3: class camels to get to. 624 00:39:44,410 --> 00:39:45,649 S1: Business class to. 625 00:39:45,850 --> 00:39:46,330 S3: Egypt. 626 00:39:47,210 --> 00:39:50,970 S1: I like that. I gotta remember that one. Uh, okay. So, 627 00:39:51,130 --> 00:39:55,330 S1: doctor Vanlandingham the fallacies. Is there something that you hear 628 00:39:55,330 --> 00:39:57,810 S1: every year that people say, you know, there were three 629 00:39:57,810 --> 00:40:01,050 S1: wise men or whatever? Is there something that just sends 630 00:40:01,050 --> 00:40:03,130 S1: you over the edge when you hear it? 631 00:40:04,410 --> 00:40:07,730 S4: Yeah. How much time do we have? Um. So, yeah, 632 00:40:08,050 --> 00:40:11,050 S4: we three kings of Orient are bearing gifts. We traverse afar. 633 00:40:11,090 --> 00:40:14,009 S4: First of all, there probably weren't three. They probably weren't kings, 634 00:40:14,010 --> 00:40:17,130 S4: and they probably weren't Oriental. Not. Not from the standpoint 635 00:40:17,130 --> 00:40:20,210 S4: of thinking of, you know, Asia or something like that. 636 00:40:20,489 --> 00:40:24,250 S4: And so there's some fallacies there. The fact that that, um, 637 00:40:24,650 --> 00:40:27,810 S4: we tend to think that Jesus and his family were 638 00:40:28,130 --> 00:40:33,009 S4: rebuffed from come in and that he went or from 639 00:40:33,010 --> 00:40:35,609 S4: somewhere and he, um, you know, was then born in 640 00:40:35,610 --> 00:40:39,970 S4: a barn. Well, that's true, he was, but probably not in, in, um, 641 00:40:40,570 --> 00:40:43,930 S4: the manger that he was laid in. Do we understand 642 00:40:43,930 --> 00:40:46,930 S4: that a manger is a trough out of which animals 643 00:40:46,969 --> 00:40:52,210 S4: eat their food? It was probably kind of nasty. Um, 644 00:40:52,450 --> 00:40:55,129 S4: I love it, too. There's a couple of hymns, you know, uh, 645 00:40:55,130 --> 00:40:58,410 S4: the little Lord Jesus. No crying. He makes. I'm thinking. 646 00:40:58,450 --> 00:41:01,930 S4: I'll bet he howled. He howled. He's a baby. Was 647 00:41:01,930 --> 00:41:06,700 S4: just born. And then Mary crying. Ah, you know, I'm 648 00:41:06,700 --> 00:41:09,980 S4: thinking she was probably screaming when she was delivering the baby. 649 00:41:10,020 --> 00:41:13,180 S4: And so there's so many things about it that I think, 650 00:41:13,219 --> 00:41:16,460 S4: are we just we sort of romanticize it. And I 651 00:41:16,460 --> 00:41:21,700 S4: think it was a much more earthy sort of a thing, um, that, 652 00:41:21,700 --> 00:41:24,380 S4: that transpired there. All over the place. 653 00:41:24,420 --> 00:41:26,700 S1: We had Michael Card on on Monday. So now it's 654 00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:29,100 S1: the three Michaels. And he was saying the trough that 655 00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:33,100 S1: you were talking about then at that time, he wasn't 656 00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:37,620 S1: saying exactly. It happened this way, but troughs were dug 657 00:41:37,620 --> 00:41:40,299 S1: into the ground or put into the ground. So it 658 00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:44,340 S1: might have been this feeding trough that the animals, you know, 659 00:41:44,380 --> 00:41:47,899 S1: it weren't it wasn't raised up like you see in 660 00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:50,540 S1: all the Christmas cards, but it could have been right 661 00:41:50,540 --> 00:41:52,380 S1: there in the ground that he was put in the 662 00:41:52,380 --> 00:41:54,859 S1: ground in the hay down there. What do you think 663 00:41:54,860 --> 00:41:55,580 S1: about that? 664 00:41:55,780 --> 00:42:00,299 S4: That's that's possible. But but there's actually, um, from the 665 00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:05,509 S4: ancient times, um, a manger that survives in Megiddo and 666 00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:10,629 S4: it's made of stone. Animals could chew a wooden manger apart. 667 00:42:10,750 --> 00:42:12,629 S4: It's possible he was put in the ground, but. But 668 00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:15,430 S4: maybe it was a raised wooden thing. But it could 669 00:42:15,469 --> 00:42:17,430 S4: have been made of stone as well. Just think of 670 00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:21,989 S4: Jesus being laid in a stone animal feeding trough. I mean, 671 00:42:22,030 --> 00:42:23,550 S4: it's it's incredible. 672 00:42:23,790 --> 00:42:27,430 S1: Yeah. The king of kings. All right, doctor. Any fallacies 673 00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:28,910 S1: that send you over the edge? 674 00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:32,670 S3: Uh, the little drummer boy. I keep looking for him. I. 675 00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:37,550 S3: And also, if he's there playing his drum for him 676 00:42:38,750 --> 00:42:42,230 S3: and the baby just fell asleep. I think Mary might 677 00:42:42,270 --> 00:42:46,110 S3: have really gone after him. Cut that out. Cut all 678 00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:49,109 S3: that to say, I really like the message of the 679 00:42:49,110 --> 00:42:51,230 S3: Little Drummer Boy. I played my drum for him. We 680 00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:53,350 S3: gave him whatever we have. I'm not trying to hurt 681 00:42:53,630 --> 00:42:58,190 S3: or dispell that, but I just think for someone that 682 00:42:58,190 --> 00:43:02,600 S3: wasn't raised with Christmas, you know. And I'd heard that 683 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,200 S3: song before. And then I'm reading the Christmas narrative. I'm like, 684 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,040 S3: where's the drummer boy? It's right. 685 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,840 S1: You know, that is echoed in I sent out a 686 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,600 S1: back fence post today, the video that we do every 687 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,640 S1: Thursday for those who support us each month, and I 688 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:27,520 S1: included the most poetic Christmas hymn or carol in the 689 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,799 S1: hymnal that I can find by Christina Rossetti. And the 690 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,040 S1: very end of that, the last verse of this hymn is, 691 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,000 S1: what can I give him, poor as I am? Which 692 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,759 S1: echoes the drummer boy if I were a shepherd, I 693 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,920 S1: would bring a lamb. If I were a wise man 694 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,080 S1: I would do my part. Yet what can I give him? 695 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:52,480 S1: Give my heart. Talk about that. Uh, Michael Redlick the 696 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:58,879 S1: that God really wants our hearts. Um, this. This Christmas? 697 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,930 S3: Yeah, I think so often we, we forget that the 698 00:44:03,530 --> 00:44:07,689 S3: biggest gift is not really one or the most important gift, 699 00:44:07,690 --> 00:44:10,730 S3: I should say, is not the one that we give 700 00:44:10,730 --> 00:44:14,089 S3: each other. And it's not even a monetary gift or 701 00:44:14,090 --> 00:44:16,489 S3: anything like that. He wants us and he wants all 702 00:44:16,489 --> 00:44:19,890 S3: of us. And, uh, it's something that we have to 703 00:44:19,930 --> 00:44:24,410 S3: give every day, not just at Christmas. You know, one 704 00:44:24,410 --> 00:44:27,489 S3: of the things it starts with giving him our lives, 705 00:44:27,530 --> 00:44:30,450 S3: trusting him, putting our trust in Jesus, believing that he 706 00:44:30,450 --> 00:44:34,570 S3: died for us, rose again and will follow him. That's 707 00:44:34,570 --> 00:44:38,729 S3: where it starts. But after that, uh, you know Mike 708 00:44:38,770 --> 00:44:41,610 S3: V's favorite book, uh, that we are to present ourselves 709 00:44:41,610 --> 00:44:45,609 S3: as living sacrifices. And that's a gift that we give 710 00:44:45,610 --> 00:44:49,170 S3: every day. A sacrifice that we offer him. The problem 711 00:44:49,170 --> 00:44:52,370 S3: with living sacrifices, as the old joke says, we keep 712 00:44:52,370 --> 00:44:56,810 S3: crawling off the altar. So that's why it's a daily decision, uh, 713 00:44:56,810 --> 00:44:59,370 S3: to give our lives to him. So we start by 714 00:44:59,410 --> 00:45:03,650 S3: giving him our hearts in faith. And I hope if 715 00:45:03,690 --> 00:45:06,649 S3: you're listening and liking Christmas and you've never put your 716 00:45:06,650 --> 00:45:09,290 S3: trust in Jesus, today is the day to do that. 717 00:45:09,290 --> 00:45:12,330 S3: Start now and then every day. Give your life to 718 00:45:12,370 --> 00:45:17,210 S3: him to to do with which whatever he wishes. 719 00:45:17,610 --> 00:45:19,410 S1: Mike, the last word to you. 720 00:45:20,489 --> 00:45:24,370 S4: You know, Jesus, the Son of God, King of kings, 721 00:45:24,489 --> 00:45:28,250 S4: could have been born in the Jerusalem Hilton. He went 722 00:45:28,250 --> 00:45:31,450 S4: where there was room for him, and we need to 723 00:45:31,450 --> 00:45:34,730 S4: make room for him in our lives as well. Otherwise 724 00:45:34,730 --> 00:45:37,650 S4: he might not be welcome there. And we need to 725 00:45:37,650 --> 00:45:40,250 S4: welcome him and make room. Yeah. 726 00:45:41,170 --> 00:45:45,130 S1: Well said, friends, thanks for spending this hour with us 727 00:45:45,130 --> 00:45:49,290 S1: and for coming alongside us here. As always, you're coming 728 00:45:49,290 --> 00:45:51,890 S1: back in January. You're going to be here to answer 729 00:45:51,930 --> 00:45:54,890 S1: Bible questions. We'll do this again then. But I want 730 00:45:54,930 --> 00:46:00,180 S1: to say to you, Michael, Happy Hanukkah, Hanukkah, and thank you, 731 00:46:00,580 --> 00:46:03,419 S1: as well as Merry Christmas to both of you, and 732 00:46:03,420 --> 00:46:05,140 S1: we'll see you next year. Okay. 733 00:46:06,140 --> 00:46:07,700 S4: Sounds good. Thanks, Chris. 734 00:46:07,739 --> 00:46:09,140 S3: Looking forward to it. Yep. 735 00:46:09,540 --> 00:46:11,140 S1: And if you want to find out more about the 736 00:46:11,140 --> 00:46:16,100 S1: Moody Bible Commentary, go to Chris Dot. You'll see the 737 00:46:16,100 --> 00:46:18,980 S1: two Michaels are the general editors of that. And the 738 00:46:18,980 --> 00:46:22,220 S1: new book by Doctor Rudnick is How Should Christians Think 739 00:46:22,219 --> 00:46:26,580 S1: About Israel? A Quick Guide to God's Covenants, Biblical prophecy, 740 00:46:26,580 --> 00:46:31,819 S1: and the Jewish people. Just go to Chris. Click through 741 00:46:31,860 --> 00:46:36,460 S1: today's information. And don't you dare miss Friday's broadcast. We'll 742 00:46:36,460 --> 00:46:39,820 S1: do a Friday sigh. And then it's all Christmas hymns 743 00:46:39,820 --> 00:46:43,260 S1: and music and text all the time on Chris Fabry 744 00:46:43,260 --> 00:46:48,060 S1: live production of Moody Radio, a ministry of Moody Bible Institute.