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Hi friends. 44 00:02:08,130 --> 00:02:10,650 S1: Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall. Thank you 45 00:02:10,650 --> 00:02:12,810 S1: so much for joining us. We've got a lot to 46 00:02:12,810 --> 00:02:14,770 S1: talk about, and we're going to talk to someone that 47 00:02:14,770 --> 00:02:17,730 S1: you love to hear from Doctor Michael Redlich, who is 48 00:02:17,730 --> 00:02:21,730 S1: professor emeritus of Jewish studies and Bible at Moody Bible Institute. 49 00:02:21,770 --> 00:02:24,769 S1: He is also the host of Open Line with Doctor 50 00:02:24,770 --> 00:02:28,690 S1: Michael on hundreds of stations all across the country. And 51 00:02:28,690 --> 00:02:30,290 S1: by the way, I just want to say a personal 52 00:02:30,290 --> 00:02:32,690 S1: thank you to Doctor Redlich sitting at my desk. Here 53 00:02:32,690 --> 00:02:35,769 S1: is the Moody Bible Commentary. I tell you what, I 54 00:02:35,810 --> 00:02:37,890 S1: talk about going through life with the Bible in one 55 00:02:37,889 --> 00:02:40,330 S1: hand and the newspaper and the other. In addition to 56 00:02:40,370 --> 00:02:43,450 S1: that Bible, have yourself a really good Bible commentary. I 57 00:02:43,490 --> 00:02:45,610 S1: had a whole lot of deep digging I had to 58 00:02:45,650 --> 00:02:48,650 S1: do with some potential guests that were going to be 59 00:02:48,650 --> 00:02:51,010 S1: on this program, and I just don't throw a dart 60 00:02:51,010 --> 00:02:52,890 S1: at the board and go spin the dial. And whatever 61 00:02:52,889 --> 00:02:55,090 S1: title you hit, there's the person you're going to book. Uh, 62 00:02:55,330 --> 00:02:57,650 S1: you know, we're stewards of the air, which means that 63 00:02:57,650 --> 00:02:59,570 S1: we have to make sure that we have vetted, and 64 00:02:59,570 --> 00:03:01,770 S1: whatever we're going to put out there is going to 65 00:03:01,770 --> 00:03:03,730 S1: come into alignment with the Word of God. Michael doesn't 66 00:03:03,730 --> 00:03:05,170 S1: know this story, so I'm glad he's hearing it for 67 00:03:05,169 --> 00:03:08,010 S1: the first time. And whatever we hold out, I believe 68 00:03:08,010 --> 00:03:09,889 S1: we're going to be accountable as teachers in this. It's 69 00:03:09,889 --> 00:03:12,330 S1: called talk radio, but it really is about teaching, and 70 00:03:12,330 --> 00:03:14,889 S1: it's about bringing on great teachers so that you can 71 00:03:14,889 --> 00:03:18,410 S1: be edified, equipped and encouraged and enlightened. And then gently 72 00:03:18,410 --> 00:03:20,050 S1: but firmly, we're going to push out there into the 73 00:03:20,050 --> 00:03:23,290 S1: marketplace of ideas. And so I was vetting a book 74 00:03:23,450 --> 00:03:27,690 S1: entitled Author Publishing Company Shall Remain nameless, but my internal 75 00:03:27,690 --> 00:03:31,650 S1: spiritual Geiger counter, known as the Holy Spirit, was going off. 76 00:03:31,650 --> 00:03:33,170 S1: Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding. I thought, oh, 77 00:03:33,210 --> 00:03:35,330 S1: some of this just doesn't feel right. So literally, I 78 00:03:35,330 --> 00:03:38,090 S1: took the Bible commentary from Moody, I opened it up 79 00:03:38,090 --> 00:03:41,250 S1: and I was reading with this particular author slash scholar 80 00:03:41,570 --> 00:03:44,730 S1: allegedly was saying, compared it with the word of God, 81 00:03:44,730 --> 00:03:47,210 S1: compared it then with what the Moody Bible Commentary had 82 00:03:47,210 --> 00:03:49,530 S1: to say. And I'm telling you, after I vetted this 83 00:03:49,530 --> 00:03:52,130 S1: and that takes hours to do. That was just one book. 84 00:03:52,450 --> 00:03:54,369 S1: It ended up in the no pile. And that was 85 00:03:54,370 --> 00:03:56,570 S1: good because I thought, I'm accountable. I'm not going to 86 00:03:56,570 --> 00:03:58,530 S1: put something out there that's wrong. But, you know, it 87 00:03:58,530 --> 00:04:00,450 S1: was so good to not only read the passages for 88 00:04:00,450 --> 00:04:02,850 S1: myself under the tutelage of the Holy Spirit, but to 89 00:04:02,850 --> 00:04:05,370 S1: be able to then have this companion in the Moody 90 00:04:05,370 --> 00:04:07,770 S1: Bible Commentary. And there's a reason why I'm talking about 91 00:04:07,770 --> 00:04:10,090 S1: it with Michael in a minute. But it was really 92 00:04:10,090 --> 00:04:12,170 S1: marvelous to be able to read it and to see 93 00:04:12,170 --> 00:04:14,370 S1: what they were saying and to see the footnotes. And 94 00:04:14,370 --> 00:04:17,049 S1: the biggest thing of all is to read it contextually. 95 00:04:17,250 --> 00:04:20,210 S1: Such an important word. So I'm just personally very grateful. 96 00:04:20,210 --> 00:04:22,330 S1: And Craig and I have multiple copies in our house 97 00:04:22,330 --> 00:04:24,730 S1: and we just think it's a must have. So why 98 00:04:24,730 --> 00:04:27,089 S1: am I bringing that up? Because of the long litany 99 00:04:27,130 --> 00:04:29,849 S1: of things that Doctor Riordan does. He is also, by 100 00:04:29,850 --> 00:04:33,570 S1: the way, uh, very much behind the Moody Bible Commentary. 101 00:04:33,610 --> 00:04:35,930 S1: He's one of the editors and he's also a contributor. 102 00:04:35,930 --> 00:04:38,610 S1: And it just tells me that you can really do 103 00:04:38,610 --> 00:04:42,170 S1: some fact checking. Bereans were always saying on this program, 104 00:04:42,170 --> 00:04:44,170 S1: we want you to be people of noble character, be 105 00:04:44,170 --> 00:04:48,210 S1: like the Bereans, test all things. And that's a classic example. 106 00:04:48,210 --> 00:04:50,330 S1: And thank you, Heavenly Father, for giving us people like 107 00:04:50,330 --> 00:04:52,969 S1: Michael Redlich, who loved the Word of God and teach 108 00:04:52,970 --> 00:04:56,539 S1: it carefully and faithfully. Line upon line, precept upon precept. 109 00:04:56,580 --> 00:04:59,780 S1: Do not add to or detract from. And as a result, 110 00:04:59,779 --> 00:05:01,660 S1: we are the better for it. So Michael, thank you 111 00:05:01,660 --> 00:05:04,780 S1: so much for being here. And thank you for the commentary. 112 00:05:05,060 --> 00:05:05,979 S6: Well thank you. 113 00:05:06,260 --> 00:05:09,780 S1: It's so I'm telling you and and as it paradoxically, 114 00:05:09,820 --> 00:05:12,940 S1: it was some of the most disputed passages in Scripture. 115 00:05:12,940 --> 00:05:14,900 S1: So I thought, okay, that's going to be interesting in 116 00:05:14,900 --> 00:05:16,580 S1: and of itself. And I thought, I want to see 117 00:05:16,580 --> 00:05:19,300 S1: where we are in our moody Bible commentary about this. 118 00:05:19,300 --> 00:05:23,060 S1: And so it's a it's a very, very appreciated resource 119 00:05:23,060 --> 00:05:25,620 S1: in our house. And Michael, we have commentaries, we have bookcases, 120 00:05:25,620 --> 00:05:27,820 S1: we love books. They're everywhere. We have tons of books 121 00:05:27,820 --> 00:05:30,940 S1: and tons of bookcases and tons of commentaries. But what 122 00:05:30,940 --> 00:05:32,940 S1: I love about the Moody Bible Commentary is I'm not 123 00:05:32,940 --> 00:05:35,900 S1: just pulling out a book to be a commentary on 124 00:05:35,940 --> 00:05:39,340 S1: a book, it is an oversight of the 66 books. 125 00:05:39,339 --> 00:05:41,140 S1: And I don't know how you did it. I don't 126 00:05:41,140 --> 00:05:42,779 S1: know how you put it all together, but it is 127 00:05:42,820 --> 00:05:46,740 S1: a seminal commentary, and I recommend to everybody without hesitation, 128 00:05:46,740 --> 00:05:49,300 S1: they should have a copy of the Moody Bible Commentary. 129 00:05:49,460 --> 00:05:52,380 S6: Let me just say it's the Moody faculty that wrote it. 130 00:05:52,380 --> 00:05:54,779 S6: I had the great privilege of pulling them together with 131 00:05:54,779 --> 00:05:58,380 S6: Mike Van Landingham writing in it. But and, you know, 132 00:05:58,420 --> 00:06:00,740 S6: we had our fingerprints all over it, Mike and I. 133 00:06:01,020 --> 00:06:05,260 S6: But the truth of it is it those commentaries reflect 134 00:06:05,300 --> 00:06:08,340 S6: Moody Bible Institute, and that's why it's called What It Is. Yes. 135 00:06:08,380 --> 00:06:10,540 S6: And it's the great faculty we have at Moody Bible 136 00:06:10,540 --> 00:06:11,659 S6: Institute that wrote it. 137 00:06:12,020 --> 00:06:16,620 S1: Well, when Bible is your middle name, it better be good, right? Mhm. Well, 138 00:06:16,620 --> 00:06:18,619 S1: you come to visit with me on a regular basis. 139 00:06:18,620 --> 00:06:20,660 S1: I could talk to you about anything under the sun. 140 00:06:20,660 --> 00:06:23,340 S1: And I am jealous of the fact that you open 141 00:06:23,380 --> 00:06:25,700 S1: the phone lines on the weekends and you take all 142 00:06:25,700 --> 00:06:28,539 S1: kinds of Bible questions, because what you get verbally is 143 00:06:28,540 --> 00:06:31,020 S1: what you find in the commentary, which is fabulous. But 144 00:06:31,020 --> 00:06:33,460 S1: when we get together, we love to talk about the 145 00:06:33,460 --> 00:06:35,740 S1: nation of Israel and the Jewish people. And, you know, 146 00:06:35,779 --> 00:06:37,500 S1: I wish I could tell you, Michael, I struggled every 147 00:06:37,500 --> 00:06:39,380 S1: time we get together to find something to talk about, 148 00:06:39,380 --> 00:06:41,100 S1: but that would be so. 149 00:06:41,100 --> 00:06:43,339 S6: That's not the case. No no, no. 150 00:06:43,900 --> 00:06:46,180 S1: So let's start I don't know with the Super Bowl. 151 00:06:46,180 --> 00:06:48,380 S1: So I knew that this ad was coming out and 152 00:06:48,380 --> 00:06:50,590 S1: the idea behind it, in fact, I sent I put 153 00:06:50,589 --> 00:06:52,270 S1: out an X that I hoped that this would start 154 00:06:52,270 --> 00:06:55,910 S1: a cultural conversation about the demonic evil of anti-Semitism, and 155 00:06:55,910 --> 00:06:58,670 S1: it would stop. But apparently a lot of people weren't 156 00:06:58,710 --> 00:07:02,670 S1: real happy about this ad, because the consensus was, and 157 00:07:02,670 --> 00:07:05,150 S1: it was Robert Kraft who put this ad out, who 158 00:07:05,190 --> 00:07:07,270 S1: if you know anything about football, he factors into the 159 00:07:07,270 --> 00:07:10,430 S1: two teams that played yesterday. Obviously, um, there was a 160 00:07:10,430 --> 00:07:13,190 S1: lot of pushback that, in fact, that this was creating 161 00:07:13,190 --> 00:07:16,830 S1: a victimology rather than the contributions that the Jewish people 162 00:07:16,830 --> 00:07:19,170 S1: have made and somebody put out within the last 24 163 00:07:19,170 --> 00:07:22,950 S1: hours a rebuttal to the ad, and it's absolutely brilliant. 164 00:07:22,950 --> 00:07:25,630 S1: It follows the ad with the sticker on the back 165 00:07:25,630 --> 00:07:29,630 S1: of the young student's backpack that says Dirty Jew and rather. 166 00:07:29,630 --> 00:07:32,710 S1: And then from that point on, it segues immediately into 167 00:07:32,710 --> 00:07:37,150 S1: the innumerable contributions that the Jewish people have made to 168 00:07:37,190 --> 00:07:38,230 S1: the human race. 169 00:07:38,270 --> 00:07:41,030 S6: Is it the one with the young man growing up 170 00:07:41,030 --> 00:07:46,990 S6: going to university? Yes. Becoming a scientist of some sort? Exactly, yeah. 171 00:07:47,110 --> 00:07:47,910 S1: And at the end, he gets. 172 00:07:47,910 --> 00:07:48,309 S6: A sticky. 173 00:07:48,310 --> 00:07:49,310 S1: Note that says thank. 174 00:07:49,310 --> 00:07:52,110 S6: You. Apparently from the same guy that hit the put 175 00:07:52,110 --> 00:07:54,990 S6: the dirty Jew sticker on his back when he saves 176 00:07:54,990 --> 00:07:55,670 S6: his life. 177 00:07:55,710 --> 00:07:56,270 S1: Yes. 178 00:07:56,310 --> 00:07:56,630 S6: So. 179 00:07:56,670 --> 00:07:57,390 S1: Exactly. 180 00:07:57,510 --> 00:07:58,270 S6: Uh, yeah. 181 00:07:58,430 --> 00:07:59,550 S1: Complete reversal. 182 00:07:59,630 --> 00:08:02,350 S6: I thought that was. I actually posted that on my 183 00:08:02,350 --> 00:08:06,030 S6: my own social media. That, uh, other ad. I felt 184 00:08:06,030 --> 00:08:09,550 S6: a little uncomfortable with the original ad. Part of what 185 00:08:09,550 --> 00:08:15,230 S6: I've noticed is that something that Dara Horn has written, uh, 186 00:08:15,470 --> 00:08:21,230 S6: people love dead Jews. That sounds harsh, but Dara Horn, 187 00:08:21,270 --> 00:08:24,430 S6: the journalist who wrote that novelist, uh, what she was 188 00:08:24,430 --> 00:08:29,070 S6: saying is, when Jewish people are victims, when Jewish people, uh, 189 00:08:29,710 --> 00:08:33,750 S6: just fall prey to whatever hatred that they encounter. And 190 00:08:33,990 --> 00:08:39,110 S6: and like that young man there who, who just, I think, 191 00:08:39,150 --> 00:08:43,510 S6: acquiesces to it, uh, that's that's when people are sympathetic 192 00:08:43,510 --> 00:08:47,950 S6: towards Jewish people, uh, when we're victims. Uh, And one 193 00:08:47,950 --> 00:08:51,030 S6: of the things I when I wrote this book, uh, 194 00:08:51,030 --> 00:08:53,429 S6: last summer. Oh, I'll tell you this story when I 195 00:08:53,429 --> 00:08:53,870 S6: come back. 196 00:08:54,910 --> 00:08:58,990 S1: Can you tell the doctor Michael is among his many, uh, 197 00:08:59,150 --> 00:09:02,190 S1: roles that he plays. He is also a radio professional, 198 00:09:02,190 --> 00:09:03,750 S1: and he knows what that music is all about. Let 199 00:09:03,750 --> 00:09:05,550 S1: me pick it up at that point, Michael, we got 200 00:09:05,550 --> 00:09:07,230 S1: the ad to talk about, but we got a lot 201 00:09:07,230 --> 00:09:09,310 S1: of other things to talk about because since the last 202 00:09:09,309 --> 00:09:12,270 S1: time that Michael was with us, there's been some more 203 00:09:12,309 --> 00:09:15,990 S1: squawking that, uh, well, it's insidious. I can't think of 204 00:09:15,990 --> 00:09:17,550 S1: a better word. We'll get to that later on, but 205 00:09:17,550 --> 00:09:19,750 S1: stick around. We got the whole hour with Doctor Michael 206 00:09:20,309 --> 00:09:52,679 S1: Moore after this. How does our view of God get distorted? 207 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,200 S1: Do you struggle with feeling close to God? Well, that's 208 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,920 S1: why I've chosen secure how to have a healthy attachment 209 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,560 S1: to God. As this month's truth tool, discover how to 210 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,480 S1: counter the lies about the truth of God's character. Ask 211 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,680 S1: for your copy of secure. When you give a gift 212 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:09,520 S1: of any amount to in the market, call 877. 58 213 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,440 S1: that's eight 7758 or go to in the market with 214 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:19,959 S1: Janet parshall.org. Always a delight to spend time with doctor 215 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,240 S1: Michael Redlich, professor emeritus of Jewish Studies and Bible at 216 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,200 S1: Moody Bible Institute and the host and Bible teacher on 217 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,959 S1: Open Line with Doctor Michael Rye. By the way, he's 218 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,240 S1: also the author of a book that I'm going to 219 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,680 S1: use as long as I possibly can as a resource. 220 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,720 S1: Every time we visit with Michael, how should Christians think 221 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,600 S1: about Israel? It is a small and important book. It 222 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,079 S1: is being defined as a quick guide to God's covenants, 223 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,640 S1: biblical prophecy, and the Jewish people. And to start off 224 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,920 S1: our conversation fresh off the Super Bowl game yesterday. It 225 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,040 S1: was the New England Patriots owner, Robert Kraft. He has 226 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,040 S1: something called the Blue Square Alliance Against Hate. And he 227 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,360 S1: put another ad in the Super Bowl. Why am I 228 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,480 S1: saying that? Because this is the third consecutive year that 229 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,560 S1: Kraft has actually done an ad like this. It's a 230 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,240 S1: 32nd ad, and it shows a teenage boy walking through 231 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,679 S1: the hall of his high school while everybody watches and 232 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,000 S1: discovers that his locker. That the reason that they were 233 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,839 S1: looking is somebody had put a sticky note on his 234 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,360 S1: backpack that says Dirty Jew. At that point, a classmate 235 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,520 S1: steps in and puts a blue sticky note on top, 236 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,400 S1: the emblematic of this Stop the Hate campaign, telling the 237 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,800 S1: boy that he knows how it feels. The text on 238 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,959 S1: the screen then says that two and three Jewish teens 239 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,720 S1: have experienced anti-Semitism, and Kraft, in a statement, said, stand 240 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,360 S1: up for each other and stand up to hate wherever 241 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,040 S1: you see it. Now there are some nuances in the ad, 242 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,080 S1: and that made it problematic. And so there were a 243 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,000 S1: lot of people both in and without the Jewish community 244 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,080 S1: that said we could have done better, and Michael and 245 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,239 S1: I were both referring to a man who did an alternative. 246 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,160 S1: He posted it on his social media. I did the 247 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,320 S1: same thing on mine so that you could see that 248 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:55,160 S1: rather than creating victimology, it really is celebrating. In fact, Michael, 249 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,360 S1: you know what I just learned today? That the person 250 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,040 S1: that Tootsie Roll, one of America's favorite treats out there, 251 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,439 S1: one of their favorite candies, this is part of Jewish history, 252 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,480 S1: and I think it's great. So we should all know 253 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,199 S1: it was actually, believe it or not, founded by a 254 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,760 S1: Jewish man. And, uh, I think it's interesting because I 255 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,959 S1: think most people wouldn't know that Tootsie Roll had this 256 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,520 S1: by way of a background, but apparently, uh, Tootsie Roll 257 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,680 S1: was founded by a Jewish immigrant for penny candy. In fact, 258 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,640 S1: it was. Leo Hirschfeld was the man in 1896. He 259 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,559 S1: was an Austrian Jew immigrant. Came to the United States, 260 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,920 S1: named after his daughter, Tootsie. It became America's first penny 261 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:36,520 S1: candy and a lasting icon of Jewish immigrant entrepreneurship. I 262 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,320 S1: want to defeat the hate, but I think you defeat 263 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,080 S1: a bad idea with a better one. So when you 264 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,650 S1: start looking at all the contributions made by the Jewish 265 00:12:42,650 --> 00:12:46,929 S1: community to America alone, you start thinking, wow, that kind 266 00:12:46,929 --> 00:12:48,330 S1: of negates the hatred, doesn't it? 267 00:12:48,370 --> 00:12:52,850 S6: Sure. And it's not just Tootsie Rolls, you know? Obviously. Uh, 268 00:12:53,170 --> 00:12:58,410 S6: there is a, uh, something called Levi's. You know, Levi jeans. Anytime. 269 00:12:59,250 --> 00:13:02,370 S6: Inventing blue jeans. I think everyone's kind of happy about that. 270 00:13:02,370 --> 00:13:07,050 S6: And then, uh, how about Jonas Salk and the polio vaccine? 271 00:13:07,650 --> 00:13:12,090 S6: That's what the counter commercial, the alternative commercial seemed to 272 00:13:12,130 --> 00:13:16,250 S6: be emphasizing that Jewish people. Uh, well, I have I 273 00:13:16,290 --> 00:13:19,450 S6: have a Jewish mother. Had a Jewish mother. She's with 274 00:13:19,610 --> 00:13:22,170 S6: the Lord now. But my Jewish mother used to always 275 00:13:22,170 --> 00:13:25,090 S6: say to me, as a kid, you have to work 276 00:13:25,130 --> 00:13:28,730 S6: twice as hard to go half as far. That was 277 00:13:28,730 --> 00:13:30,650 S6: her motto to me. And that was, I think, what 278 00:13:30,650 --> 00:13:33,490 S6: most Jewish mothers said to their kids growing up. I 279 00:13:33,490 --> 00:13:37,690 S6: think that's why, uh, getting a, a good education became 280 00:13:37,690 --> 00:13:43,130 S6: so important. Doing well in school and becoming someone that 281 00:13:43,130 --> 00:13:47,850 S6: could build a community instead of tear it down. That's 282 00:13:47,850 --> 00:13:51,370 S6: that's what being, uh, what I was raised with. And 283 00:13:51,370 --> 00:13:55,370 S6: it's what that alternative commercial really emphasized. And I really 284 00:13:55,370 --> 00:13:58,570 S6: I hope people will find it. I think it's really great. Uh, 285 00:13:58,809 --> 00:14:01,370 S6: but there's so much that Jewish people have contributed. I 286 00:14:01,370 --> 00:14:05,530 S6: was just thinking about the there's an oncologist that I 287 00:14:05,530 --> 00:14:08,929 S6: know for the last 30 plus years, and I was 288 00:14:08,929 --> 00:14:12,130 S6: thinking about how many lives he has saved, what a 289 00:14:12,130 --> 00:14:17,250 S6: great physician he has been. And there he comes in. 290 00:14:17,290 --> 00:14:21,410 S6: He's an observant Jew. He studies Talmud every morning, and 291 00:14:21,410 --> 00:14:25,090 S6: then he goes and saves lives. And I was thinking 292 00:14:25,090 --> 00:14:28,770 S6: about how people who have this hateful attitude about Jewish people, 293 00:14:29,330 --> 00:14:33,090 S6: when they when they're desperate and they need a great oncologist, 294 00:14:33,090 --> 00:14:36,210 S6: they're going to turn to him. Yeah. You know what 295 00:14:36,210 --> 00:14:37,290 S6: I'm saying. Mhm. 296 00:14:37,580 --> 00:14:38,100 S1: Percent. 297 00:14:38,620 --> 00:14:42,100 S6: It's it's something that that's that's heartbreaking to me that 298 00:14:42,100 --> 00:14:44,500 S6: people don't realize this. I was going to mention someone 299 00:14:44,500 --> 00:14:49,220 S6: wrote me a text, a professor from another Christian college 300 00:14:49,260 --> 00:14:52,020 S6: saying he wrote a very critical review of the book 301 00:14:52,060 --> 00:14:56,140 S6: on about Israel that I wrote, and he did it 302 00:14:56,140 --> 00:14:59,540 S6: on a Substack, and he wrote to me, I don't know, 303 00:14:59,580 --> 00:15:01,660 S6: out of being polite. And he began his email to 304 00:15:01,660 --> 00:15:07,580 S6: me before he connected me to that very harsh, uh, review. 305 00:15:07,860 --> 00:15:10,420 S6: He said, I feel really terribly about the murdered Jewish 306 00:15:10,420 --> 00:15:14,940 S6: people in Bondi Beach on Bondi Beach. That's what he 307 00:15:14,940 --> 00:15:17,620 S6: wrote to me. And then he went and just attacked 308 00:15:17,620 --> 00:15:20,300 S6: my book, even though I really didn't talk much about 309 00:15:20,300 --> 00:15:22,700 S6: what was going on in the war, because I did 310 00:15:22,700 --> 00:15:25,060 S6: say that Jewish, the state of Israel has a right 311 00:15:25,060 --> 00:15:28,740 S6: to defend itself. And I thought he sympathetic when Jewish 312 00:15:28,740 --> 00:15:32,300 S6: people are murdered, but not when Jewish people will protect 313 00:15:32,300 --> 00:15:36,020 S6: their nation. I thought that was sort of what what 314 00:15:36,020 --> 00:15:39,060 S6: I think the problem is sometimes is that people like 315 00:15:39,060 --> 00:15:41,780 S6: seeing Jewish people as victims. They do not like it 316 00:15:41,780 --> 00:15:45,820 S6: when Jewish people, like the State of Israel will defend itself. 317 00:15:45,860 --> 00:15:46,780 S7: Wow. Wow. 318 00:15:47,180 --> 00:15:49,540 S1: Okay. So when you say two things, number one, when 319 00:15:49,540 --> 00:15:51,340 S1: you talk about the review of the Book of Israel, 320 00:15:51,340 --> 00:15:57,940 S1: you mean this most recent one? How should Christians. Yeah. Wow. Unbelievable. Wow. Okay. Well, 321 00:15:57,980 --> 00:15:59,580 S1: you know what? To that end, let me give you 322 00:15:59,580 --> 00:16:05,380 S1: a little more of Jewish history, okay? 1909 The Lincoln Penny. 323 00:16:05,660 --> 00:16:08,780 S1: It bears the initials of designer Victor David Brenner, a 324 00:16:08,780 --> 00:16:12,940 S1: Jewish immigrant from Lithuania who designed the Lincoln penny. His 325 00:16:12,940 --> 00:16:15,700 S1: initials were only on the first few runs of the penny, 326 00:16:15,740 --> 00:16:19,060 S1: making it a rare coin and an unknown piece, a 327 00:16:19,060 --> 00:16:21,700 S1: widely unknown piece of Jewish history. So I'm looking at 328 00:16:21,700 --> 00:16:25,100 S1: the picture of the penny E pluribus unum, $0.01 United 329 00:16:25,100 --> 00:16:28,100 S1: States of America, and then at the bottom, his initials, VDB. 330 00:16:28,140 --> 00:16:30,580 S1: So all the people out there who collect coins, that's 331 00:16:30,580 --> 00:16:33,020 S1: a rare one. Do you know also who the architect 332 00:16:33,020 --> 00:16:36,420 S1: was for the Golden Gate Bridge in California. A Jew. 333 00:16:36,780 --> 00:16:37,500 S6: Of course. 334 00:16:37,540 --> 00:16:39,700 S1: Yes. I mean, we could go on and on and on. 335 00:16:39,700 --> 00:16:41,420 S1: So you think of the contribution. By the way, I'm 336 00:16:41,420 --> 00:16:45,420 S1: very interested in the scientific work that they're doing in Israel, 337 00:16:45,460 --> 00:16:49,660 S1: particularly for cataracts. Now for eye surgery. That's absolutely unbelievable. 338 00:16:49,820 --> 00:16:52,460 S1: And there was just another article out about one form 339 00:16:52,460 --> 00:16:54,900 S1: of cancer that they think they may have totally eradicated 340 00:16:54,900 --> 00:16:57,380 S1: there in the trial stages right now. But I thought 341 00:16:57,580 --> 00:16:59,100 S1: that's the kind of stuff, you know. How do you 342 00:16:59,100 --> 00:17:00,940 S1: defeat a bad idea? I say this a thousand times 343 00:17:00,940 --> 00:17:02,820 S1: with a better one. So just find out what the 344 00:17:02,820 --> 00:17:05,619 S1: Jewish people are doing. Don't paint them as victim. Speak 345 00:17:05,619 --> 00:17:08,500 S1: out against anti-Semitism. Know what the word has to say, 346 00:17:08,619 --> 00:17:11,100 S1: and celebrate the contribution that the Jewish people have made 347 00:17:11,100 --> 00:17:14,020 S1: to the history of the world. Michael Rudnick is with us. 348 00:17:14,420 --> 00:17:17,379 S1: Not everybody likes the Jewish people. Some people have a 349 00:17:17,380 --> 00:17:20,020 S1: big microphone and a huge influence, and for whatever reason, 350 00:17:20,020 --> 00:17:24,100 S1: they just are demagoguing the Jewish people. Spiritual warfare? Oh 351 00:17:24,140 --> 00:17:26,660 S1: you betcha. But let's just look at the allegations and 352 00:17:26,660 --> 00:17:29,340 S1: see if we can counter them with truth. Back after this. 353 00:17:51,470 --> 00:17:54,990 S1: We're visiting with Doctor Michael Redlich, who is a prolific author. 354 00:17:55,030 --> 00:17:57,990 S1: I noted earlier that he is co-editor and contributor to 355 00:17:58,030 --> 00:18:01,990 S1: the Moody Bible Commentary and The Moody Handbook of Messianic Prophecy, 356 00:18:01,990 --> 00:18:04,430 S1: but he's also the author of a myriad of other books. 357 00:18:04,430 --> 00:18:08,709 S1: 50 Most Important Bible Questions, Understanding the Arab-Israeli conflict, several 358 00:18:08,710 --> 00:18:11,630 S1: other books, and the most recent that's garnering a lot 359 00:18:11,630 --> 00:18:13,389 S1: of opinions. Now, I don't know about you, but whenever 360 00:18:13,390 --> 00:18:15,590 S1: I hear, ooh, there's controversy that makes me want to 361 00:18:15,590 --> 00:18:17,949 S1: read the book, find out what's so controversial. And by 362 00:18:17,950 --> 00:18:19,950 S1: the way, for the record, truth often is the most 363 00:18:19,950 --> 00:18:22,670 S1: controversial out there. But the book is called How Should 364 00:18:22,670 --> 00:18:26,190 S1: Christians Think About Israel? A Quick Guide to God's Covenants, 365 00:18:26,190 --> 00:18:29,550 S1: Biblical prophecy, and the Jewish people. So when all else fails, 366 00:18:29,590 --> 00:18:31,669 S1: go back and read the instructions. Find out what it 367 00:18:31,670 --> 00:18:34,190 S1: says in the Word of God. Was this a conditional 368 00:18:34,190 --> 00:18:37,310 S1: or an unconditional covenant? Does God change his mind? Does 369 00:18:37,310 --> 00:18:40,550 S1: he break his promises? These are hugely important issues for 370 00:18:40,550 --> 00:18:43,629 S1: you and me as we are maturing saints, particularly because 371 00:18:43,630 --> 00:18:46,190 S1: this topic, for whatever reason, is out there in the 372 00:18:46,190 --> 00:18:49,310 S1: middle of the public square. I think that's exciting, by 373 00:18:49,310 --> 00:18:51,990 S1: the way. I think it's utterly spiritual warfare, but I 374 00:18:51,990 --> 00:18:55,110 S1: think it's utterly exciting because I just checked my watch 375 00:18:55,150 --> 00:18:57,070 S1: and oh, look what it says. It says my Redeemer 376 00:18:57,070 --> 00:18:59,190 S1: draws nigh. I'm not surprised at all. We're seeing this 377 00:18:59,190 --> 00:19:03,950 S1: kind of stuff, so I'm not maligning him at all. Um, 378 00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:06,830 S1: I've met him on multiple occasions, but for whatever reason, 379 00:19:07,310 --> 00:19:11,590 S1: Tucker Carlson has decided that Israel is, um, it's a 380 00:19:11,590 --> 00:19:13,590 S1: country he has problems with. Let me be gracious. And 381 00:19:13,590 --> 00:19:16,830 S1: so he's been continuing to talk about the nation of Israel, 382 00:19:16,830 --> 00:19:20,270 S1: and he calls, you know, Christian Zionists, some despicable people. 383 00:19:20,270 --> 00:19:22,230 S1: And the list goes on and on and on. And 384 00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:24,790 S1: one wonders, because this is such a pivot from where 385 00:19:24,790 --> 00:19:27,390 S1: he was, why he's there now. So he just finished 386 00:19:27,390 --> 00:19:29,030 S1: a tour again in the Middle East and did some 387 00:19:29,030 --> 00:19:32,550 S1: interviews from Jordan. And while he was there, he had 388 00:19:32,550 --> 00:19:36,070 S1: this to say about conditions for Christians in Israel. Have 389 00:19:36,070 --> 00:19:36,630 S1: a listen. 390 00:19:36,830 --> 00:19:40,430 S8: How are Christians in the Holy Land doing? Are they 391 00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:47,150 S8: thriving or are they suffering? And the truth has become 392 00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:49,990 S8: pretty obvious over the past couple of years, which is 393 00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:53,870 S8: in Israel. They are not thriving. Their numbers are not growing, 394 00:19:53,910 --> 00:19:56,310 S8: they are shrinking. And there's a huge debate about why. 395 00:19:56,350 --> 00:19:59,670 S8: But the bottom line is there are fewer Christians now, 396 00:19:59,710 --> 00:20:03,590 S8: far fewer in absolute numbers and particularly as percentage of 397 00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:06,670 S8: population than there were when the state was founded in 1948. 398 00:20:07,910 --> 00:20:09,910 S8: And there's a lot of evidence in the last couple 399 00:20:09,950 --> 00:20:12,790 S8: of years, particularly since the Gaza War started, and the 400 00:20:12,790 --> 00:20:15,470 S8: whole tone of the conversation in this area has changed 401 00:20:15,470 --> 00:20:18,710 S8: quite a bit. And the rise of extremism is very noticeable, 402 00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:21,310 S8: that those numbers have gotten even smaller. 403 00:20:22,510 --> 00:20:25,230 S1: Okay. Doctor Michael Redlich, what would you like to say 404 00:20:25,230 --> 00:20:25,950 S1: in response? 405 00:20:26,510 --> 00:20:30,160 S6: Well, it's actually a fabrication partially of what he said 406 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,399 S6: and a distortion to start with. In terms of the numbers, 407 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,439 S6: there were about 40,000 Christians in the Land of Israel 408 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,400 S6: when the state was declared in 1948. Today, there's some 409 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:46,119 S6: somewhere between 100 and 85, 190,000. So how he says 410 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,560 S6: that number is declining. In fact, Israel is the only 411 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:54,640 S6: country in the Middle East where the Christian population is growing. 412 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,920 S6: Isn't that interesting? And he said it's declining now. It 413 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:03,880 S6: is smaller percentage wise. In 1948, Christians comprised about 10% 414 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:10,080 S6: of the population. But something happened in 1948 that caused 415 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:15,119 S6: that percentage. Now to be about 2% of Israel is Christian. 416 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,959 S6: Here's a couple of things that happened. First of all, 417 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,280 S6: many more Jewish people came to the land of Israel. 418 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,640 S6: 750,000 escaped the Arab world when they were kicked out 419 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,240 S6: unceremoniously with the creation of the State of Israel. They went. 420 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:31,000 S6: They didn't become, uh, refugees. They came to Israel and 421 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,800 S6: became citizens. Also, there were about a million Jewish people 422 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,840 S6: who had survived the Holocaust waiting in displaced persons camps, 423 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,760 S6: and most of them went to Israel. So as a result, 424 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,160 S6: many more Jewish people came to the land. Of course, 425 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,560 S6: that led to the percentage of Christians to be smaller. 426 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:52,080 S6: And then also many of the Christian Arabs fled because 427 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:57,240 S6: they feared that there would be recriminations against them for 428 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:01,000 S6: supporting the Arab invasion of Israel in 1948. And so 429 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,680 S6: they fled. Uh, many fled even before the war broke out, 430 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:11,119 S6: because the, uh, the Arab countries had said, you know, 431 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,720 S6: you get out there, we'll we'll destroy this new Jewish state, 432 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,000 S6: and then you can go live on the seam and 433 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,680 S6: you can take their homes and you can come back. 434 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,280 S6: And they fled and never came back. And so there 435 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,360 S6: was a decline in numbers. But in terms of freedom, 436 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:33,320 S6: Him and opportunity. Christian Christians that live in Israel have 437 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,640 S6: it far better than in any other country in the 438 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,359 S6: entire Middle East. And so what what Tucker was doing 439 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,879 S6: there was fabricating and also distorting the percentage. 440 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:46,600 S7: Exactly. 441 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,280 S1: So if you just look at Israel and her immediate neighbors, Syria, Lebanon, 442 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:55,560 S1: for example, I've sat in the gallery and watched the 443 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,280 S1: business of the Knesset, which is the equivalent of our Congress. 444 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,840 S1: It's more like a parliament conducting their business. And there 445 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,639 S1: are Arab representatives, there are Christian representatives, and there are 446 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,400 S1: Jewish representatives. You would not see that replicated in any 447 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,440 S1: country around Israel. Um, and if you were to say 448 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,400 S1: that it's difficult for Christians, I noticed that he completely 449 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,000 S1: sidestepped stories like what's happening in Bethlehem and Nazareth. We 450 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,440 S1: could talk about what the Christian populations were there before 451 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,159 S1: and now barely resemble what the original figures were. Um, 452 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,610 S1: and it is also why for. 453 00:23:25,650 --> 00:23:27,090 S6: And that's not because of Israel either. 454 00:23:27,130 --> 00:23:28,570 S1: No, not at all. Talk about. 455 00:23:28,570 --> 00:23:31,090 S6: That. Well, I think it's so important. I'll just tell 456 00:23:31,090 --> 00:23:33,889 S6: you the story of my Christian Arab neighbor when I 457 00:23:33,890 --> 00:23:37,449 S6: lived in Chicago, and he went back to Bethlehem for 458 00:23:37,450 --> 00:23:41,369 S6: his daughter's wedding, and he was telling me all the 459 00:23:41,369 --> 00:23:45,410 S6: stuff that happened. And I asked him about why it is. 460 00:23:45,450 --> 00:23:47,970 S6: He said the numbers used to be about 80% Christian 461 00:23:47,970 --> 00:23:51,290 S6: Arab in Bethlehem, and now it's about less than 10%, 462 00:23:51,330 --> 00:23:55,170 S6: he said. I said, is it because you're being persecuted? 463 00:23:55,210 --> 00:23:56,850 S6: He said, no, we want to get out of there. 464 00:23:56,850 --> 00:24:01,490 S6: But Israel is not persecuting us. It's from the Palestinian Authority, 465 00:24:01,850 --> 00:24:06,090 S6: he said. I said, why don't why don't people say that? 466 00:24:06,130 --> 00:24:09,130 S6: He said, because if we said that publicly, they'd kill 467 00:24:09,130 --> 00:24:10,730 S6: my family. That remains. 468 00:24:10,770 --> 00:24:11,170 S1: Exactly. 469 00:24:11,210 --> 00:24:14,490 S6: And and so he can't. But that's why they want out. 470 00:24:14,490 --> 00:24:17,810 S6: Because of the oppression of Islam in places like Bethlehem. 471 00:24:18,369 --> 00:24:20,770 S1: Well, you know, the Bereans were fact checkers. And that's 472 00:24:20,770 --> 00:24:22,689 S1: really what we're doing here, is we're being people of 473 00:24:22,690 --> 00:24:25,690 S1: noble character and were fact checking. So the declaration was 474 00:24:25,690 --> 00:24:29,530 S1: made that it's really very difficult for Christians in Israel. Well, 475 00:24:29,730 --> 00:24:32,730 S1: actually it's not. And his numbers were misrepresentative. And then 476 00:24:32,730 --> 00:24:36,010 S1: if you compare Israel to her neighbors, much easier to 477 00:24:36,050 --> 00:24:38,170 S1: be a Christian in Israel than it is in any 478 00:24:38,170 --> 00:24:41,090 S1: of the neighboring countries of Israel, there's more. Stick around. 479 00:24:41,130 --> 00:24:44,450 S1: Our conversation continues with Doctor Michael Riedel right after this. 480 00:24:55,810 --> 00:24:57,650 S1: Going through life with the Bible in one hand and 481 00:24:57,650 --> 00:24:59,530 S1: the newspaper and the other is essential for each of 482 00:24:59,530 --> 00:25:01,209 S1: us on our walk with Christ. And that's what we 483 00:25:01,210 --> 00:25:04,450 S1: do on in the market. We examine culture, interpret the headlines, 484 00:25:04,450 --> 00:25:06,729 S1: and look at the news from a biblical perspective. When 485 00:25:06,730 --> 00:25:09,570 S1: you become a partial partner, you're directly responsible for putting 486 00:25:09,570 --> 00:25:11,930 S1: this program on the air. Reaching men and women across 487 00:25:11,930 --> 00:25:14,970 S1: America with the practical application of God's Word. Become a 488 00:25:14,970 --> 00:25:18,450 S1: partial partner today by calling 877 Janet 58 or go 489 00:25:18,450 --> 00:25:24,020 S1: to in the market with Janet partial. Always a delight 490 00:25:24,020 --> 00:25:26,940 S1: to spend time with Doctor Michael Ridel. His newest book, 491 00:25:26,940 --> 00:25:30,700 S1: how should Christians Think about Israel? In my classroom this 492 00:25:30,700 --> 00:25:32,899 S1: would be mandatory reading. It's short and it is to 493 00:25:32,940 --> 00:25:35,380 S1: the point. And it really takes us to Scripture. And 494 00:25:35,380 --> 00:25:38,540 S1: that is our definitive source on this conversation. In a 495 00:25:38,540 --> 00:25:43,340 S1: world that's just seeing a mounting rise in anti-Semitism, so 496 00:25:43,340 --> 00:25:44,899 S1: much so that it shows up as an ad in 497 00:25:44,900 --> 00:25:46,980 S1: the Super Bowl. Not the best ad, but at least 498 00:25:46,980 --> 00:25:50,020 S1: it started some conversation, I'm hoping. How should Christians think 499 00:25:50,020 --> 00:25:52,180 S1: about Israel? Is what the book is called, subtitled A 500 00:25:52,180 --> 00:25:56,380 S1: Quick Guide to God's Covenants, Biblical Prophecy, and the Jewish People. Okay, 501 00:25:56,420 --> 00:26:00,100 S1: so this is exemplary of applied Christianity. The Bible says, 502 00:26:00,100 --> 00:26:02,060 S1: I can't see what's in another person's heart. None of 503 00:26:02,060 --> 00:26:03,940 S1: us were given those kind of x rays eyes. First, 504 00:26:03,940 --> 00:26:06,140 S1: Samuel says, man looks on the outward appearance, but God 505 00:26:06,140 --> 00:26:08,340 S1: looks on the heart. So I can't tell you what 506 00:26:08,340 --> 00:26:11,140 S1: is inside somebody's heart. But the metric that we've got 507 00:26:11,140 --> 00:26:13,740 S1: for what might be in their heart is their mouth. 508 00:26:13,940 --> 00:26:16,980 S1: Out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks. 509 00:26:16,980 --> 00:26:20,820 S1: So that's just something to think about when somebody espouses 510 00:26:20,820 --> 00:26:25,740 S1: ideas that are fabrications, they're grotesque misrepresentations, and they are. 511 00:26:25,859 --> 00:26:29,300 S1: May I be so bold anti-Semitic? They're worth examining. Lay down. 512 00:26:29,340 --> 00:26:31,619 S1: Dwight Moody's word, the straight stick of truth next to 513 00:26:31,660 --> 00:26:34,020 S1: what you hear and see if one comes into alignment 514 00:26:34,020 --> 00:26:36,460 S1: with the other. So as part of this tour through 515 00:26:36,460 --> 00:26:40,699 S1: the Middle East, Tucker spoke to us, a pastor who 516 00:26:40,740 --> 00:26:44,060 S1: was Gazan, uh, and the question was put on the 517 00:26:44,060 --> 00:26:46,859 S1: table about the state of the churches in the Middle East. 518 00:26:46,859 --> 00:26:47,980 S1: Listen to this dialogue. 519 00:26:48,340 --> 00:26:53,340 S8: So Christian churches in the United States send more money to, say, 520 00:26:53,340 --> 00:26:55,300 S8: Jewish settlements in the West Bank than they do to 521 00:26:55,300 --> 00:26:57,859 S8: Christians in Jesus's hometown of Nazareth? 522 00:26:57,900 --> 00:27:01,700 S9: That's not a secret. That's not a secret. Everybody knows that. 523 00:27:02,300 --> 00:27:05,940 S8: Yeah. When people in the American media say Palestinian, it 524 00:27:05,940 --> 00:27:10,380 S8: means someone who's an Islamist, basically. But you're saying that 525 00:27:10,380 --> 00:27:14,500 S8: a lot of those Palestinians refugees were Christians, Anglicans even. 526 00:27:15,260 --> 00:27:17,659 S9: No, absolutely. I think I think there are many places 527 00:27:17,660 --> 00:27:21,020 S9: in the world where people can use words that mean 528 00:27:21,020 --> 00:27:24,580 S9: something really horrific. Yes, but but that's I think that's 529 00:27:24,580 --> 00:27:26,540 S9: demonizing for me. That's demonizing. 530 00:27:26,580 --> 00:27:27,980 S8: Well, it sounds also untrue. 531 00:27:28,300 --> 00:27:30,860 S9: Absolutely. Because, you know, like I think when you speak 532 00:27:30,900 --> 00:27:35,100 S9: about Palestinians, I'm Palestinian. Yeah. And I'm an archbishop. You 533 00:27:35,100 --> 00:27:39,340 S9: can think about, you know, the Christian population dwindled to 534 00:27:39,380 --> 00:27:43,940 S9: half in 48 because many people had to leave. What 535 00:27:43,940 --> 00:27:46,340 S9: is my homeland? You know, like where I grew up 536 00:27:46,340 --> 00:27:51,380 S9: in Nazareth, in Galilee. Um, half of the Palestinian population 537 00:27:51,380 --> 00:27:55,820 S9: had to be expelled to other places. And who became refugees? 538 00:27:56,060 --> 00:27:59,340 S9: So when we speak about Palestinian refugees today, they are 539 00:27:59,340 --> 00:28:03,500 S9: all coming or came from what is proper Israel today? 540 00:28:04,140 --> 00:28:08,419 S8: Do you face vandalism from Islamic groups in Jerusalem? 541 00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:12,219 S9: No, not to my knowledge, no. We don't have. We 542 00:28:12,220 --> 00:28:13,580 S9: don't have in Jerusalem. 543 00:28:13,619 --> 00:28:14,060 S8: Yes. 544 00:28:14,220 --> 00:28:21,030 S9: No. Now I think imagine like 100,000 Christians in Bethlehem. 545 00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:24,629 S9: Let's say 50 years ago or so. Today we have 546 00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:26,070 S9: less than 30,000. 547 00:28:27,790 --> 00:28:28,389 S8: Really? 548 00:28:28,430 --> 00:28:29,830 S9: Yeah. Huge drop. 549 00:28:29,869 --> 00:28:33,150 S8: Do they receive aid from American Christian churches? 550 00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:37,110 S9: Not to my knowledge. I'm trying to kind of get 551 00:28:37,109 --> 00:28:40,750 S9: to my hospital in Gaza, for example. Yes. And I'm 552 00:28:40,790 --> 00:28:43,110 S9: trying to kind of get permission to go there, but 553 00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:44,110 S9: I'm not allowed. 554 00:28:44,590 --> 00:28:46,310 S8: To go to your hospital in Gaza. 555 00:28:46,350 --> 00:28:49,550 S9: Yes. Again, it's about my safety. I guess. 556 00:28:50,350 --> 00:28:52,390 S8: Your safety. Would you feel unsafe going to Gaza? 557 00:28:52,430 --> 00:28:57,030 S9: Absolutely not. I've been to Gaza many, many times. Um, 558 00:28:57,670 --> 00:29:00,229 S9: and actually two days before the war, I was there. 559 00:29:01,710 --> 00:29:02,870 S1: Michael, your response? 560 00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:07,150 S6: There's so much in there. It's almost like, I hate 561 00:29:07,150 --> 00:29:10,750 S6: to allow this to be repeated because it's so distorted. 562 00:29:10,990 --> 00:29:15,830 S6: But first of all, this, uh, Anglican, uh, pastor is 563 00:29:15,870 --> 00:29:19,550 S6: actually an Israeli citizen, and no Israeli citizen is allowed 564 00:29:19,550 --> 00:29:21,950 S6: into a war zone, as he said he was there 565 00:29:21,950 --> 00:29:24,750 S6: two days before the war began. No problem to go 566 00:29:24,750 --> 00:29:27,470 S6: to Gaza then. Now it would be a problem. Israelis 567 00:29:27,470 --> 00:29:31,670 S6: are just not allowed there. Why? Because, uh, so many. 568 00:29:33,150 --> 00:29:36,910 S6: So it's possible for Hamas to kidnap the Israeli. Then 569 00:29:36,910 --> 00:29:40,950 S6: Israel would be responsible to try to get this pastor back. 570 00:29:41,670 --> 00:29:45,469 S6: So Israelis are just not allowed into Gaza. That's the 571 00:29:45,470 --> 00:29:49,790 S6: first thing. Uh, I think he it's just that's a 572 00:29:49,790 --> 00:29:53,750 S6: ridiculous thing, what he was saying. And also the the support, 573 00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:56,190 S6: I don't know, that's just hearsay, what he was saying 574 00:29:56,190 --> 00:29:59,870 S6: about supporting, uh, settlers and things like that. And the 575 00:29:59,870 --> 00:30:05,350 S6: numbers dwindling in Bethlehem. Bethlehem isn't under Israeli supervision. That's 576 00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:08,790 S6: under the Palestinian Authority. The reason people are leaving there 577 00:30:08,790 --> 00:30:13,110 S6: is because the Islamist government of the Palestinian Authority is 578 00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:17,830 S6: oppressing Christian Arabs there. That's why it's happening. And it's 579 00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:21,110 S6: just it's heartbreaking to me the way Tucker sets this up. 580 00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:26,350 S6: So naively talking about these things. He's deliberate. And one 581 00:30:26,350 --> 00:30:28,910 S6: of the things that Tucker says repeatedly is I am 582 00:30:28,910 --> 00:30:32,510 S6: not anti-Semitic. One of the things I've learned, and I've 583 00:30:32,510 --> 00:30:35,590 S6: been dealing with people who are hating, hating Jewish people 584 00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:38,230 S6: for all my life. One of the things I've discovered 585 00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:40,150 S6: is that the people who say it the loudest are 586 00:30:40,150 --> 00:30:44,030 S6: the most likely to be hate haters of Jewish people. And, 587 00:30:44,390 --> 00:30:46,750 S6: you know, if you look back at Tucker before he 588 00:30:46,750 --> 00:30:49,430 S6: started doing this, he never had to say, I am 589 00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:53,430 S6: not anti-Semitic. Look at the old Tucker when he was 590 00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:58,110 S6: defending Israel and accusing Pat Buchanan of being a hater 591 00:30:58,110 --> 00:31:00,910 S6: of Jews when he was when Pat was saying the 592 00:31:00,910 --> 00:31:05,550 S6: same stuff that Tucker is saying. So can I address 593 00:31:05,550 --> 00:31:09,550 S6: something that he mentions about spitting? That wasn't in the 594 00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:12,600 S6: interview there, but they made a big point. I watched 595 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:17,080 S6: the interview, made a big point of Orthodox Jews spitting 596 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,200 S6: at Christians when they see the cross. Did you hear 597 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:21,719 S6: that part? 598 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:22,440 S7: Mhm. 599 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,880 S6: Well, here's the thing that's bothersome to me about that. 600 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,520 S6: The first thing that this Anglican pastor said was, well, 601 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,320 S6: they don't really spit on you. They spit when they 602 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,800 S6: see the cross on the ground near you but not 603 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,560 S6: on you. And I think that's terrible, but that's a 604 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:42,560 S6: distinction that was made. Also, it's only it made it sound. Uh, 605 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,200 S6: Tucker made it sound like all Jews spit at Christians 606 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:49,760 S6: when they see them. It's only the ultra ultra orthodox 607 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,280 S6: who are doing it. 99% of Israel would condemn that. Not. 608 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:59,400 S6: I'm not joking. Even Orthodox Jews would would condemn that. 609 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,880 S6: That is utterly wrong. And people hate that. It's not 610 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,200 S6: approved by the Israeli government. Uh, it's a unique group. Uh, 611 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,600 S6: the government wants it to stop and but let's just 612 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,560 S6: say it's happening and it doesn't happen very much. But 613 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,600 S6: if it is happening. Compare that to the worst thing 614 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,200 S6: that could happen. If you're a Coptic Christian in Egypt 615 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:25,520 S6: or a Nigerian Christian. What's happening there is people aren't 616 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,880 S6: being spat at, they're being murdered. And and yet, what's 617 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,960 S6: it like to be a Christian during the reign of ISIS? Uh, 618 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:39,240 S6: or what's happened when Hezbollah became so powerful in Lebanon? 619 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,160 S6: That's what's happening. Uh, is murder the killing of Christians? 620 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,400 S6: I just think that this is so unfair that he 621 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,280 S6: raises this issue. I'll tell you, uh, just a kind 622 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,200 S6: of funny story from back. Oh, about 45 years ago, 623 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,840 S6: when I was doing my pastoral internship in Israel, we 624 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,960 S6: went into the ultra ultra-Orthodox neighborhood because there was a 625 00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:04,160 S6: really good bakery. We were picking up for Shabbat, and, uh, 626 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,240 S6: I jumped out of the car. Eva and a friend 627 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,320 S6: of ours from Israel was in the front row in 628 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,810 S6: the front seat of the car. I ran into the 629 00:33:11,810 --> 00:33:14,450 S6: the bakery, picked up the car. You know that twisted 630 00:33:14,450 --> 00:33:16,170 S6: egg bread that we eat because we were going to 631 00:33:16,170 --> 00:33:18,290 S6: someone's house for Shabbat dinner. So we were going to 632 00:33:18,290 --> 00:33:20,610 S6: bring the car. So I ran in, brought it into 633 00:33:20,610 --> 00:33:22,810 S6: the car. As I was getting in the car, uh, 634 00:33:23,090 --> 00:33:26,930 S6: this friend of ours who was driving, she had her 635 00:33:26,930 --> 00:33:29,410 S6: arm out the window and she had a sleeveless top on. 636 00:33:29,770 --> 00:33:33,490 S6: And one of these ultra-Orthodox came by and spat on 637 00:33:33,490 --> 00:33:39,210 S6: her arm, a fellow Israeli, because she had a sleeveless 638 00:33:39,210 --> 00:33:41,930 S6: top on. When I realized what he had done at first, 639 00:33:41,930 --> 00:33:45,170 S6: I couldn't believe it. I started to open the door 640 00:33:46,890 --> 00:33:51,490 S6: to go teach him some manners, and and, uh, our 641 00:33:51,490 --> 00:33:55,970 S6: friend Carolyn just pulled right out, drove away, and, uh, 642 00:33:55,970 --> 00:33:58,570 S6: I said, what are you doing? And she said, we 643 00:33:58,570 --> 00:34:00,290 S6: don't want to have a riot here. If you if 644 00:34:00,330 --> 00:34:03,930 S6: you confront that man. But it's it's such a small 645 00:34:03,930 --> 00:34:08,689 S6: segment of the Israeli population that are so extremist and 646 00:34:08,690 --> 00:34:13,290 S6: fanatic that the regular Israeli population, 99% of the Israeli population, 647 00:34:13,290 --> 00:34:17,170 S6: would condemn and hate that they do that. And that's listen, 648 00:34:17,170 --> 00:34:19,450 S6: they're having the Israeli government is having trouble with the 649 00:34:19,450 --> 00:34:22,210 S6: Orthodox now about about the draft. 650 00:34:22,250 --> 00:34:26,450 S1: Absolutely, absolutely. But now so again, facts are stubborn things, 651 00:34:26,489 --> 00:34:29,049 S1: as John Adams said. So it came out of the 652 00:34:29,050 --> 00:34:31,569 S1: ultra-Orthodox community, and this was a big to do a 653 00:34:31,570 --> 00:34:33,690 S1: few years ago. They call it the Anti-missionary bill. And 654 00:34:33,690 --> 00:34:35,569 S1: I'm sure a lot of our friends remember that where 655 00:34:35,570 --> 00:34:38,089 S1: they didn't want. And I loathe this word because it's 656 00:34:38,090 --> 00:34:39,969 S1: always used as a pejorative. It's never meant to be 657 00:34:39,969 --> 00:34:44,450 S1: used in a good context. The proselytizing about the Messianic Jews, 658 00:34:44,450 --> 00:34:46,090 S1: they wanted to stop it, so they called it the 659 00:34:46,130 --> 00:34:49,050 S1: Anti-missionary Bill, where you were not going to be allowed 660 00:34:49,050 --> 00:34:52,250 S1: to share the gospel in Israel. Well, in the Knesset 661 00:34:52,290 --> 00:34:53,890 S1: they do things different than we do in the Congress. 662 00:34:53,890 --> 00:34:56,169 S1: You have to have three readings before something can become 663 00:34:56,170 --> 00:34:59,009 S1: the law of the land. God bless. Benjamin Netanyahu stepped 664 00:34:59,010 --> 00:35:01,850 S1: in and said, nope, no more readings. Dead on arrival. Yeah, 665 00:35:01,850 --> 00:35:03,689 S1: he killed it. And I'm so glad that he did 666 00:35:03,730 --> 00:35:07,410 S1: because he understood a it's antithetical to being a democracy 667 00:35:07,410 --> 00:35:09,250 S1: for free speech you might not agree with. It's the 668 00:35:09,250 --> 00:35:12,210 S1: same free speech rights that gives Tel Aviv the right 669 00:35:12,210 --> 00:35:14,370 S1: to have a gay pride parade. I loathe that, but 670 00:35:14,650 --> 00:35:17,330 S1: that's their free speech amendment, and it gives the Messianic 671 00:35:17,330 --> 00:35:19,650 S1: Jews the right to meet publicly in parks and to 672 00:35:19,650 --> 00:35:21,850 S1: be able to share the gospel of Jesus Christ. But 673 00:35:21,850 --> 00:35:24,770 S1: it's the ultra-Orthodox who want things their way or the highway. So, 674 00:35:24,770 --> 00:35:27,290 S1: as you said now, the argument there's a carve out 675 00:35:27,290 --> 00:35:30,050 S1: there has been legally up to this point for people 676 00:35:30,090 --> 00:35:32,210 S1: who don't. If they're ultra-Orthodox, they don't have to serve. 677 00:35:32,210 --> 00:35:34,770 S1: They have to do community service instead. But they don't 678 00:35:34,770 --> 00:35:36,569 S1: have to do the mandatory three year for men, two 679 00:35:36,570 --> 00:35:40,530 S1: years for women. And now the government is saying, no, 680 00:35:40,570 --> 00:35:42,650 S1: we think you need to be conscripted. We need you 681 00:35:42,650 --> 00:35:44,570 S1: need to be drafted. You need to serve your country 682 00:35:44,570 --> 00:35:46,410 S1: as well. And they're having I just saw. 683 00:35:46,410 --> 00:35:48,730 S6: Some pictures yesterday in the street about it. 684 00:35:48,930 --> 00:35:53,129 S1: I saw that yesterday. Exactly right. Which is interesting. 685 00:35:53,170 --> 00:35:53,609 S6: But but. 686 00:35:53,610 --> 00:35:53,890 S1: You can't. 687 00:35:53,930 --> 00:35:57,009 S6: Gospel can be proclaimed boldly in Israel. I've been to 688 00:35:57,050 --> 00:35:58,370 S6: messianic congregations. 689 00:35:58,370 --> 00:35:58,810 S7: Yes. 690 00:35:58,850 --> 00:36:01,250 S6: And just a couple of weeks ago on Open Line, 691 00:36:01,250 --> 00:36:05,180 S6: we broadcast the the faith story of an Israeli dear 692 00:36:05,180 --> 00:36:07,340 S6: friend of mine who I've been sharing the gospel with. 693 00:36:07,380 --> 00:36:10,180 S6: And she listened to a moody radio program about the 694 00:36:10,180 --> 00:36:13,859 S6: resurrection with Mike Van Landingham and me, and she made 695 00:36:13,860 --> 00:36:16,420 S6: a profession of faith and told the story on Moody 696 00:36:16,460 --> 00:36:20,900 S6: Radio that the gospel is not imprisoned in Israel. 697 00:36:20,940 --> 00:36:23,220 S1: No, not at all, by the way. And the gospel 698 00:36:23,219 --> 00:36:26,060 S1: changes everything. And maybe therein lies the rub. That's what 699 00:36:26,060 --> 00:36:28,500 S1: the concern is. It might just change things a bit. 700 00:36:28,540 --> 00:36:31,100 S1: Doctor Michael Rudnick is with us. If you don't have 701 00:36:31,100 --> 00:36:34,620 S1: a copy of what every Christian should Know about what? 702 00:36:34,660 --> 00:36:37,100 S1: How should Christians think about Israel? Look at the title, right? 703 00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:39,259 S1: Right there in my information page. Click on through. Learn 704 00:36:39,260 --> 00:36:41,299 S1: how to get your copy, but it is a must read. 705 00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:43,540 S1: In fact, get ten copies and share it with people 706 00:36:43,540 --> 00:36:45,820 S1: who struggle about the nation of Israel back after this. 707 00:36:58,700 --> 00:37:02,219 S1: We're visiting with Doctor Michael Riedel, who is professor Emeritus 708 00:37:02,219 --> 00:37:05,660 S1: of Jewish Studies and Bible at Moody Bible Institute. He's 709 00:37:05,660 --> 00:37:08,339 S1: also the host and Bible teacher on Open Line with 710 00:37:08,340 --> 00:37:11,540 S1: Doctor Michael Rudnick. So, Michael, the timing of this, I 711 00:37:11,540 --> 00:37:13,500 S1: always say the Lord is my executive producer, and I 712 00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:15,780 S1: just believe that more and more and more so today 713 00:37:15,780 --> 00:37:20,020 S1: in Washington at the Museum of the Bible, the Religious 714 00:37:20,020 --> 00:37:22,899 S1: Liberty panel met. Now, this is a panel that's been 715 00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:25,780 S1: put together by the president of the United States. Uh, 716 00:37:25,780 --> 00:37:31,180 S1: it happens to be chaired by Dan Patrick of Texas. Um, he, uh, 717 00:37:31,180 --> 00:37:33,020 S1: is the person who chairs the committee, but there's different 718 00:37:33,020 --> 00:37:37,100 S1: representatives all over and today. Surprising, not surprising anybody. The 719 00:37:37,100 --> 00:37:40,299 S1: topic was the subject of anti-Semitism and how, in fact, 720 00:37:40,300 --> 00:37:42,339 S1: it should be dealt with in this country. So it 721 00:37:42,340 --> 00:37:44,380 S1: was interesting because they had a panel of speakers that 722 00:37:44,380 --> 00:37:47,819 S1: included a former UCLA law student, Yitzi Frankl, who sued 723 00:37:47,820 --> 00:37:52,859 S1: the university over its findings of anti-Semitism during the 2024 encampments. Uh, 724 00:37:52,900 --> 00:37:57,939 S1: Yeshiva University President Ari Berman, Harvard alum Shabbos Kastenbaum and 725 00:37:57,940 --> 00:38:01,140 S1: former Auburn basketball coach Bruce Pearl. Each of them talked 726 00:38:01,140 --> 00:38:04,700 S1: about their experiences of anti-Semitism or combating it in the 727 00:38:04,700 --> 00:38:09,299 S1: United States after October 7th, 2023. But as part of 728 00:38:09,340 --> 00:38:13,740 S1: that panel, there's also a former Miss California. Her name is. Um. 729 00:38:13,780 --> 00:38:17,219 S1: Let me get it right here. It's Carrie Prejean Boller, 730 00:38:17,540 --> 00:38:21,460 S1: and she listened to the sentiments that were going on, 731 00:38:21,460 --> 00:38:24,620 S1: and she said, I've heard Israel mentioned multiple times. I've 732 00:38:24,620 --> 00:38:27,979 S1: not heard Gaza mentioned. Uh, how many times you won't 733 00:38:27,980 --> 00:38:31,419 S1: condemn that? Just on the record asking. And then she said, quote, 734 00:38:31,460 --> 00:38:34,620 S1: she insists she opposes Israel because of her Catholic faith. 735 00:38:34,780 --> 00:38:38,660 S1: Catholics do not embrace Zionism, just so you know. So 736 00:38:39,100 --> 00:38:41,420 S1: what I bring this up is because, again, it's how 737 00:38:41,420 --> 00:38:43,540 S1: many angels dance on a pin, the head of a 738 00:38:43,540 --> 00:38:50,339 S1: pin argument. Can you be Michael, anti-Israel and not be anti-Semitic? 739 00:38:53,100 --> 00:38:57,700 S6: I think that there's I'll be more precise. A person 740 00:38:57,700 --> 00:39:00,950 S6: can disagree with the government of Israel and the policies 741 00:39:00,950 --> 00:39:03,790 S6: of the government of Israel without being anti-Semitic. The reason 742 00:39:03,790 --> 00:39:06,310 S6: I say that is I've got a bunch of relatives 743 00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:13,630 S6: that are ardent Zionists. Love Israel and are deeply opposed 744 00:39:13,630 --> 00:39:17,710 S6: to the Netanyahu government. So you can be opposed to 745 00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:22,469 S6: the the government. What we can't be is deny if 746 00:39:22,469 --> 00:39:25,950 S6: we if we say, I'm opposed to Israel and I 747 00:39:25,950 --> 00:39:33,430 S6: don't think it should exist. Delegitimization. Uh, I, uh, demonizing Israel, uh, 748 00:39:34,190 --> 00:39:39,670 S6: making Israel the sum of all evil, uh, establishing double 749 00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:44,549 S6: standards for Israel, uh, saying that other people can defend themselves. 750 00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:47,509 S6: Israel can't, uh, finding double standards. And what I think 751 00:39:47,550 --> 00:39:53,310 S6: using deceitful aspects of the news, distorting it. Uh, and, 752 00:39:53,310 --> 00:39:55,830 S6: and I hate to say some of the things that 753 00:39:55,830 --> 00:39:59,590 S6: I heard Tucker do, uh, that kind of deceit. Those 754 00:39:59,590 --> 00:40:03,029 S6: four qualifications tell me you can disagree with Israel, but 755 00:40:03,070 --> 00:40:07,230 S6: if if a person is engaged in delegitimization, double standards, 756 00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:11,750 S6: demonizing and deceit, then that's not driven by opposition to 757 00:40:11,790 --> 00:40:16,469 S6: the government. What that is, is hatred of the Jewish people, 758 00:40:16,469 --> 00:40:21,069 S6: denying the Jewish people's right to have self-determination in their 759 00:40:21,070 --> 00:40:21,830 S6: own homeland. 760 00:40:22,670 --> 00:40:25,230 S1: I very much appreciate the way you parse that out. 761 00:40:25,230 --> 00:40:27,790 S1: So if I can flip this around, that's like saying that, 762 00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:31,710 S1: do I have the right to criticize the American government 763 00:40:31,710 --> 00:40:34,469 S1: and does that make me unpatriotic? The answer is no. 764 00:40:34,510 --> 00:40:35,910 S1: I mean, there are things that we agree with and 765 00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:38,310 S1: disagree with, but at the core of that question, and 766 00:40:38,310 --> 00:40:40,950 S1: it's really being couched as a cudgel, let's just be 767 00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:43,549 S1: real honest here, um, is a way of saying, I 768 00:40:43,550 --> 00:40:46,469 S1: don't believe that the Jewish people should have a Jewish state. 769 00:40:46,469 --> 00:40:48,750 S1: So my question would then be, so where should they go? 770 00:40:49,110 --> 00:40:52,589 S1: Your your dogmatic in your counterarguments that the Gazans should 771 00:40:52,590 --> 00:40:55,110 S1: have their place to live. In fact, you keep carving 772 00:40:55,110 --> 00:40:56,950 S1: out Israel. In fact, it's so interesting if you go 773 00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:59,520 S1: back to the Balfour Declaration. Well, you can go back 774 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,279 S1: before you go to Genesis. You look at the deed 775 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,799 S1: of the land. Look how big the deed was when 776 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,839 S1: this promise was given. You read in Deuteronomy there's the 777 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,920 S1: deed again. It's still big. It's much bigger today. It's 778 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,280 S1: about the size of new Jersey. And when they drew 779 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,759 S1: the arbitrary lines and Churchill said, okay, we're going to 780 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,480 S1: call this Pan Jordan. And in the end that gets 781 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,440 S1: whittled away. Now, even in Israel, if you look at 782 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,239 S1: your thumb and you look at the right part of 783 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,720 S1: your thumb, you've got Judea and Samaria. Now everybody's calling 784 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,120 S1: it West Bank. And then they're saying West, because it's 785 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,760 S1: only on the west side of the River Jordan. Yeah, right. 786 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,839 S1: So that's hence the West Bank. Now the conversation is 787 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,400 S1: that should go back. I even saw a map the 788 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,520 S1: other day that drew a map of Israel, and Gaza 789 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,239 S1: and Judea and Samaria were in red. Israel was in blue. Now, 790 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,960 S1: that hasn't been finalized yet, but I find it interesting 791 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,480 S1: that they're already carving out more parts of the country. 792 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,200 S6: What I wonder is, what is Carrie Prejean or whatever 793 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,480 S6: her name is? I remember when she was in the 794 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:49,640 S6: news a number of years ago. 795 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:50,239 S7: Mhm. 796 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,040 S6: What is her great expertise in international affairs that she 797 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,440 S6: can actually speak out on this. What I don't understand. 798 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,680 S1: Unfortunately, I think what happens is you're listening to people 799 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,960 S1: in front of a microphone, says a woman sitting in 800 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,800 S1: front of a microphone. But if you haven't espoused hatred 801 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,080 S1: toward Israel and you've got multiple millions of listeners and 802 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:16,719 S1: you start fomenting conspiracy theories and you're repeating ancient blood 803 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,359 S1: libel against the Jewish people, and people were not a 804 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:25,200 S1: very deep thinking culture. I say that graciously. But the 805 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,319 S1: problem is, man, you got to roll up your sleeves 806 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:28,839 S1: and you got to do your homework. When we can't 807 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,759 S1: have more than a 15 second attention span on a website, 808 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,120 S1: or the remote control keeps our fingers moving all night 809 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,520 S1: long when somebody goes blah and they set it over 810 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,240 S1: a microphone. Even though the mandate is to test all 811 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,360 S1: things we don't, we swallow it hook, line and sinker. Hence, 812 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,480 S1: I will say again, being called a sheep is not 813 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,160 S1: a compliment. You just follow blindly where you're supposed to go. 814 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,040 S1: So I think it's imperative for us to stop and say, 815 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:50,720 S1: wait a minute. 816 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,239 S6: They're following Tucker over like lemmings over the cliff is 817 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:55,920 S6: what it seems. Not sheep even. 818 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:56,680 S7: Exactly. 819 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:57,360 S1: That's exactly. 820 00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:57,760 S7: Right. 821 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,480 S6: I just don't get it. I don't understand this change 822 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,920 S6: that happened to him. I always wonder when someone has 823 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,920 S6: had that dramatic a change. It makes me wonder what 824 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,400 S6: has happened in his heart that caused that. 825 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:11,920 S7: Yeah. 826 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,560 S1: Again, I think the. And I will say this again, 827 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,640 S1: I think we should be praying for Tucker. I think 828 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,000 S1: we should praying that whatever. I don't know what the 829 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,560 S1: I don't know what the motive is. I'm not going 830 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,760 S1: to subscribe motive or causal factors. But I think, again, 831 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,279 S1: out of the abundance of heart, the mouth speaks. So 832 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,759 S1: if these sorts of things are coming out, then there's 833 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,439 S1: something problematic, there's something broken there. And the best way 834 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,560 S1: to counter it again is with a better idea. So Lord, 835 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,560 S1: we just pray that his heart would be changed, his 836 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,200 S1: eyes would be open, and he would understand that you 837 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,520 S1: chose the people of the Jewish community, of the Jewish 838 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,880 S1: nation to bring salvation. Thank you God. We Goya, we 839 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,400 S1: Gentiles have been grafted on salvation, first to the Jews, 840 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,680 S1: then to the Gentiles. They played a role in the past. 841 00:43:52,770 --> 00:43:55,330 S1: there playing a role in the present, clearly. And you 842 00:43:55,330 --> 00:43:56,730 S1: read your Bible, you know they're going to play a 843 00:43:56,730 --> 00:43:59,129 S1: role in the future. If you got questions, just save them. 844 00:43:59,130 --> 00:44:00,810 S1: If you know Christ as your Savior, you can sit 845 00:44:00,810 --> 00:44:03,770 S1: it at his feet and you can start asking questions why, why, why, why? 846 00:44:03,810 --> 00:44:06,370 S1: But in the meantime, he is a covenant keeping God. 847 00:44:06,370 --> 00:44:11,810 S1: He doesn't break his promises. Unconditional covenant with the Jewish people. 848 00:44:11,850 --> 00:44:15,090 S1: Read how should Christians think about Israel? Bible in one hand, 849 00:44:15,090 --> 00:44:16,569 S1: this and the other. See if you can get your 850 00:44:16,570 --> 00:44:18,649 S1: facts straight. So when you hear this stuff, you can 851 00:44:18,650 --> 00:44:20,649 S1: have your Geiger counter go off going ding ding ding 852 00:44:20,650 --> 00:44:23,569 S1: ding ding. Something's not right here, Michael. I already look 853 00:44:23,570 --> 00:44:25,770 S1: forward to our next conversation. Thank you so much for 854 00:44:25,770 --> 00:44:27,730 S1: being with us. The book is right there on the 855 00:44:27,730 --> 00:44:29,890 S1: information page, so check it out at In the Market 856 00:44:29,890 --> 00:44:33,569 S1: with Janet Parshall click on the red box. It says 857 00:44:33,570 --> 00:44:35,690 S1: Program Details and Audio. It'll take you over to the 858 00:44:35,690 --> 00:44:38,169 S1: information page. When you get there you're going to see 859 00:44:38,170 --> 00:44:40,969 S1: a longer bio for Doctor Michael Riddell, a link to 860 00:44:41,010 --> 00:44:44,210 S1: his website with a ton of information, and the book 861 00:44:44,210 --> 00:44:45,850 S1: on the right hand side for you to be able 862 00:44:45,850 --> 00:44:48,570 S1: to peruse. Do it Michael. Thank you, thank you friends. 863 00:44:48,570 --> 00:44:50,250 S1: We'll see you next time on In the Market with 864 00:44:50,250 --> 00:44:51,090 S1: Janet Parshall.