1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,400 S1: Hi friends, this is Janet Parshall. Thanks so much for 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,160 S1: downloading this podcast, and I hope you hear something that 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,560 S1: will really encourage and edify you. But before you start 4 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,400 S1: to listen, let me take a moment of your time 5 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,399 S1: and tell you about this month's truth tool. It's called 6 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,640 S1: secure How to Have a Healthy Attachment to God. And 7 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,360 S1: it follows that very often, whatever our relationship is like 8 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,000 S1: with authority figures, predominantly our parents, we somehow transferred to 9 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,040 S1: how we see God. So if we have an angry parent, 10 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,319 S1: he's an angry God. If it's a distant parent, he's 11 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,520 S1: a God who's not there. 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The president won a pledge. 40 00:01:42,500 --> 00:01:44,660 S4: Americans worshiping government over God. 41 00:01:44,819 --> 00:01:48,340 S5: Extremely rare safety move by a 17 years. 42 00:01:48,340 --> 00:01:52,100 S6: The Palestinians and Israelis negotiated everything is not. 43 00:02:06,170 --> 00:02:06,810 S5: Hi friends. 44 00:02:06,810 --> 00:02:09,290 S1: Welcome to In the Market with Janet partial. A very 45 00:02:09,330 --> 00:02:11,450 S1: happy Wednesday to you. I hope you are having a 46 00:02:11,450 --> 00:02:14,090 S1: wonderful week. And I thank you so much for choosing 47 00:02:14,130 --> 00:02:16,370 S1: to spend this hour with me. Just a heads up, 48 00:02:16,570 --> 00:02:18,930 S1: I want to remind you that this month's truth tool, 49 00:02:18,930 --> 00:02:20,490 S1: and the reason I bring this to your attention is 50 00:02:20,490 --> 00:02:23,329 S1: because we are listener supported. Radio. When you give, it 51 00:02:23,330 --> 00:02:25,690 S1: keeps us going. Can't say it any more simply than that. 52 00:02:25,690 --> 00:02:28,090 S1: So thank you. I always try to pick a tangible 53 00:02:28,090 --> 00:02:30,650 S1: way to say thank you and not just a thank you, 54 00:02:30,650 --> 00:02:32,450 S1: but a thank you that will help you take your 55 00:02:32,450 --> 00:02:34,530 S1: next step in your walk with Christ, that you will 56 00:02:34,530 --> 00:02:37,010 S1: grow up in him. Get off that diet of milk, 57 00:02:37,050 --> 00:02:39,130 S1: move to a diet of meat and get some spiritual 58 00:02:39,130 --> 00:02:41,290 S1: heft on your bones. But you can't do that if 59 00:02:41,290 --> 00:02:44,370 S1: you're feeling insecure about your relationship with the Lord. Like 60 00:02:44,370 --> 00:02:46,609 S1: it or not, we tend to superimpose on the character 61 00:02:46,610 --> 00:02:50,130 S1: of God the way we were connecting with people, particularly 62 00:02:50,130 --> 00:02:53,250 S1: our dads here on planet Earth. If you had an 63 00:02:53,250 --> 00:02:55,590 S1: absent dad, he's an absent father. If you had an 64 00:02:55,590 --> 00:02:58,430 S1: abusive dad, he's an abusive God. If you had a loving, 65 00:02:58,470 --> 00:03:02,190 S1: affirming God, he's a loving, affirming God. So that attachment 66 00:03:02,190 --> 00:03:05,429 S1: really and truly has an impact on how we see God, 67 00:03:05,470 --> 00:03:07,750 S1: how we think God sees us, and how we in 68 00:03:07,790 --> 00:03:10,390 S1: turn see God. So this wonderful book by my friend 69 00:03:10,389 --> 00:03:12,910 S1: Ken Tzaddik is called Secure How to Have a Healthy 70 00:03:12,910 --> 00:03:16,510 S1: Attachment to God. And it's there to eradicate any of 71 00:03:16,510 --> 00:03:18,950 S1: the confusion, any of the lies of the enemy that 72 00:03:18,950 --> 00:03:21,190 S1: tells you that God is something he is not. And 73 00:03:21,190 --> 00:03:22,990 S1: I want you to know who he is and that 74 00:03:22,990 --> 00:03:26,150 S1: you are loved unconditionally. You woke up this morning. He 75 00:03:26,150 --> 00:03:29,990 S1: crowned you with loving kindness and his tender mercies. His 76 00:03:29,990 --> 00:03:33,110 S1: unconditional love can never be separated from you, and he 77 00:03:33,110 --> 00:03:35,750 S1: has plans for your welfare and not his destruction. So 78 00:03:35,750 --> 00:03:37,390 S1: I'd love for you to get this book as my 79 00:03:37,390 --> 00:03:39,390 S1: way of saying thank you for supporting in the market 80 00:03:39,390 --> 00:03:43,830 S1: with Janet Parshall. Just call 877 Janet 58. That's 877 81 00:03:43,830 --> 00:03:46,190 S1: Janet 58. Give a gift of any amount, and I'm 82 00:03:46,190 --> 00:03:48,590 S1: going to send you a copy of secure as my 83 00:03:48,590 --> 00:03:50,990 S1: way of saying thank you for supporting the program. You 84 00:03:50,990 --> 00:03:53,030 S1: can also do this online. Just go to our website 85 00:03:53,030 --> 00:03:56,690 S1: in the market with Janet. You can scroll to the 86 00:03:56,690 --> 00:03:58,570 S1: bottom of the page. There's the cover of the book. 87 00:03:58,570 --> 00:04:01,410 S1: Click it on. Make your donation and we'll send again 88 00:04:01,410 --> 00:04:03,570 S1: a copy of Secured You. You might want to consider 89 00:04:03,570 --> 00:04:06,850 S1: being a partial partner. Those are the ever enlarging circle 90 00:04:06,850 --> 00:04:09,330 S1: of friends who support this program on a monthly basis. 91 00:04:09,370 --> 00:04:12,250 S1: You set the level of giving. I say thank you 92 00:04:12,250 --> 00:04:14,890 S1: by giving you the truth tool every month, and you 93 00:04:14,890 --> 00:04:18,450 S1: get a weekly newsletter that includes some writing by me 94 00:04:18,450 --> 00:04:20,250 S1: and an audio piece as well. So you might want 95 00:04:20,290 --> 00:04:23,250 S1: to consider that. So either a partial partner or the 96 00:04:23,250 --> 00:04:26,050 S1: one time gifts. And we'll send you a copy of secure. 97 00:04:26,089 --> 00:04:31,490 S1: Just call 87758877 Janet 58 or go online to in 98 00:04:31,529 --> 00:04:35,410 S1: the market with Janet parshall.org. I don't know about you, 99 00:04:35,410 --> 00:04:37,010 S1: but I've been praying a lot about what's going on 100 00:04:37,010 --> 00:04:39,610 S1: in Iran. The military presence is being built up in 101 00:04:39,610 --> 00:04:42,210 S1: that part of the world. The Straits of Hormuz have 102 00:04:42,210 --> 00:04:45,050 S1: been shut temporarily. Iran is saying, hey, we're happy to 103 00:04:45,050 --> 00:04:47,450 S1: talk with you. Not talking about the nuclear option. That 104 00:04:47,450 --> 00:04:49,770 S1: would be the whole point, would it not? So to 105 00:04:49,770 --> 00:04:51,909 S1: help fill in the blanks here, here's Julie Stahl with 106 00:04:51,910 --> 00:04:52,750 S1: CBS News. 107 00:04:53,230 --> 00:04:56,789 S5: Vice President J.D. Vance says the Iranians aren't ready to 108 00:04:56,830 --> 00:05:01,230 S5: meet all of President Trump's demands, but the negotiations will continue. 109 00:05:01,430 --> 00:05:03,469 S7: You know, in some ways, it went well. They agreed 110 00:05:03,470 --> 00:05:05,670 S7: to meet afterwards, but in other ways, it was very 111 00:05:05,670 --> 00:05:08,550 S7: clear that the president has set some red lines, that 112 00:05:08,550 --> 00:05:12,710 S7: the Iranians are not yet willing to actually acknowledge and 113 00:05:12,710 --> 00:05:13,469 S7: work through. 114 00:05:13,510 --> 00:05:15,910 S5: Vance says the president will decide when it's time to 115 00:05:15,910 --> 00:05:19,229 S5: end the negotiations. Trump wants Iran to give up its 116 00:05:19,230 --> 00:05:23,150 S5: pursuit of nuclear weapons and stop enriching uranium. 117 00:05:23,190 --> 00:05:25,669 S7: It's one of the most hostile and also one of 118 00:05:25,670 --> 00:05:28,349 S7: the most irrational regimes in the world. You can't have 119 00:05:28,350 --> 00:05:31,590 S7: people like that have the most dangerous weapon known to man. 120 00:05:31,589 --> 00:05:33,950 S7: It would be awful for our security. It would be 121 00:05:33,950 --> 00:05:35,510 S7: awful for the future of our children. 122 00:05:35,670 --> 00:05:39,830 S5: Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi said the two sides reached 123 00:05:39,830 --> 00:05:43,589 S5: a deal on the guiding principles for an agreement, calling 124 00:05:43,589 --> 00:05:46,670 S5: it a new window of opportunity that could lead to 125 00:05:46,710 --> 00:05:50,700 S5: a sustainable solution. He also said Iran won't give up 126 00:05:50,740 --> 00:05:54,979 S5: uranium enrichment, which he claims is for domestic energy and 127 00:05:54,980 --> 00:05:57,500 S5: guaranteed by international agreements. 128 00:05:57,740 --> 00:06:02,140 S8: This right is inherent, non-negotiable and legally binding. 129 00:06:02,420 --> 00:06:06,380 S5: Alex Traiman of Jewish News Syndicate says the Iranians are 130 00:06:06,380 --> 00:06:08,099 S5: master negotiators. 131 00:06:08,180 --> 00:06:11,020 S9: They are trying to stall the president every single day 132 00:06:11,020 --> 00:06:14,979 S9: that this armada of military equipment is in the Persian 133 00:06:14,980 --> 00:06:19,179 S9: Gulf cost the United States billions of dollars. So they 134 00:06:19,220 --> 00:06:23,900 S9: are trying to drag out the negotiations as long as possible. 135 00:06:23,940 --> 00:06:26,700 S5: More than 50 U.S. fighter jets arrived in the Middle 136 00:06:26,700 --> 00:06:29,820 S5: East in the last day or two. The USS Gerald Ford, 137 00:06:29,860 --> 00:06:32,979 S5: the largest aircraft carrier in the world, is on its 138 00:06:33,020 --> 00:06:36,420 S5: way to the region to join the USS Abraham Lincoln. 139 00:06:36,460 --> 00:06:39,219 S5: Iran's supreme leader threatened to send a ship to the 140 00:06:39,220 --> 00:06:42,859 S5: bottom of the sea. Iran also temporarily closed the Strait 141 00:06:42,900 --> 00:06:47,220 S5: of Hormuz as it carried out naval live fire exercises. 142 00:06:47,260 --> 00:06:50,480 S5: Traiman says the move is not about military might, but 143 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,000 S5: signals how the regime could impact the world economy. 144 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,799 S9: About 20% of global oil goes through the Strait of Hormuz, 145 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:02,040 S9: and Iran is taking an aggressive tone, showing that it 146 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,159 S9: has leverage in negotiations as well. Iran is saying we 147 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:09,320 S9: can make global oil prices spike very, very quickly, something 148 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:10,880 S9: that would definitely harm Trump. 149 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,040 S5: The Iranian news agency now reports that Iran and Russia 150 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,960 S5: will hold naval drills in the Gulf of Oman and 151 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:22,320 S5: the northern Indian Ocean tomorrow, potentially near the vicinity of 152 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:26,920 S5: the USS Abraham Lincoln. Julie Stahl, CBN news, Jerusalem. 153 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,680 S1: So to continue in this vein, the Times of Israel 154 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,600 S1: is now quoting a former IDF military intelligence chief who 155 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,880 S1: suggested today that such a confrontation between the United States 156 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,400 S1: and other forces surrounding Iran could be imminent. In fact, 157 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,440 S1: he said this, and I'm quoting last week I allowed 158 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,380 S1: myself to fly to the Munich Security Conference. I would 159 00:07:47,380 --> 00:07:50,580 S1: think twice about flying abroad from Israel this weekend. He 160 00:07:50,580 --> 00:07:52,940 S1: said we are much closer than we were before. But 161 00:07:52,940 --> 00:07:55,380 S1: I remind you, a superpower does not go to war 162 00:07:55,380 --> 00:07:57,900 S1: in a matter of days. There is a diplomatic path 163 00:07:57,900 --> 00:08:01,820 S1: that must be exhausted. And then he added, this former 164 00:08:01,820 --> 00:08:05,060 S1: IDF security official added that many opposed the attack. The 165 00:08:05,060 --> 00:08:07,900 S1: Pentagon's not clear what they want to achieve. The president 166 00:08:07,900 --> 00:08:10,300 S1: is very determined. The statement that all options are on 167 00:08:10,300 --> 00:08:13,460 S1: the table is based on a credible military threat, which 168 00:08:13,460 --> 00:08:16,220 S1: comes alongside the preparations off the coast of Iran and 169 00:08:16,220 --> 00:08:17,860 S1: in the skies. Why do I bring this to you? 170 00:08:17,860 --> 00:08:19,900 S1: I don't have a spirit of fear. I hope you 171 00:08:19,900 --> 00:08:21,940 S1: don't either. We woke up this morning. God is still 172 00:08:21,940 --> 00:08:24,300 S1: very much on the throne, and he holds the heart 173 00:08:24,300 --> 00:08:25,780 S1: of the king in his hand. And he can turn 174 00:08:25,780 --> 00:08:28,020 S1: it any way he wants to. But it is a 175 00:08:28,020 --> 00:08:31,340 S1: profound reminder for us to pray for those in authority. 176 00:08:31,620 --> 00:08:36,180 S1: This is a dangerous regime. It is absolutely armed with 177 00:08:36,179 --> 00:08:39,340 S1: nuclear capabilities. The people are crying out for hunger. We've 178 00:08:39,340 --> 00:08:42,100 S1: seen what's been happening in the streets, the butchering. Every 179 00:08:42,140 --> 00:08:44,560 S1: time the people try to push back against the mullahs 180 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,840 S1: and the Ayatollah, and we see how unbelievably dangerous it 181 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:49,840 S1: is for them. We need to be praying for the 182 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,560 S1: Iranian people, as our brother, Doctor Shahriyar says from Iran 183 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,480 S1: Alive Ministries, we need to be praying for protection, pray 184 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,760 S1: against what he calls the Prince of Persia. It's the 185 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,679 S1: prince of this air. This is a spiritual underpinning. Don't 186 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,880 S1: forget that at all. Remember, their eschatology says we have 187 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,880 S1: to declare a world global conflagration because that's the only 188 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,959 S1: way our Messiah makes his return. So pray without ceasing. 189 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,880 S1: He's on the throne. But prayers change things, so start 190 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,240 S1: praying right now for that situation. We're going to take 191 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:20,800 S1: a break and come right back. This is in the 192 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,360 S1: market with Janet Parshall. Thanks so much for joining us. 193 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:43,350 S1: We'll continue right after this. Are you constantly feeling like 194 00:09:43,350 --> 00:09:45,429 S1: God is disappointed in you, or do you feel like 195 00:09:45,429 --> 00:09:47,990 S1: he's too busy for your problems? Well, that's why I've 196 00:09:47,990 --> 00:09:51,069 S1: chosen secure how to have a healthy attachment to God 197 00:09:51,070 --> 00:09:53,990 S1: as this month's truth tool. Learn to grasp the depth 198 00:09:53,990 --> 00:09:56,750 S1: of God's love for you. Ask for your copy of secure. 199 00:09:56,750 --> 00:09:58,870 S1: When you give a gift of any amount in the market, 200 00:09:58,870 --> 00:10:03,589 S1: call 877. Janet 58. That's 877 Janet 58 or go 201 00:10:03,590 --> 00:10:09,630 S1: to in the market with Janet. So if I were 202 00:10:09,630 --> 00:10:11,750 S1: to ask you, do you know the 23rd Psalm, would 203 00:10:11,750 --> 00:10:14,030 S1: you raise your hand and say, yes, I do. Oh, oh, okay. 204 00:10:14,030 --> 00:10:16,110 S1: There's hands all the way from Guam over there to 205 00:10:16,150 --> 00:10:20,550 S1: the Cayman Islands. Great. I'm glad. What's your favorite verse? Okay. 206 00:10:20,590 --> 00:10:22,870 S1: Talk among yourselves. We're going to talk to a pastor 207 00:10:22,870 --> 00:10:26,310 S1: who said he really wants to zoom in on verse 208 00:10:26,309 --> 00:10:29,949 S1: five in the 23rd Psalm. Now, don't try and try 209 00:10:29,950 --> 00:10:31,630 S1: to look in your scripture book at the same time. 210 00:10:31,630 --> 00:10:34,189 S1: Don't do that. But we're going to really focus in 211 00:10:34,190 --> 00:10:37,630 S1: on what our King is telling us when he talks 212 00:10:37,630 --> 00:10:40,030 S1: to us about that table and who sits at the 213 00:10:40,170 --> 00:10:43,650 S1: table with us. And Louie Giglio says you don't want 214 00:10:43,690 --> 00:10:46,250 S1: to give the enemy a seat at your table. We're 215 00:10:46,250 --> 00:10:48,170 S1: going to spend the rest of this hour with Louie. 216 00:10:48,170 --> 00:10:50,850 S1: By the way, he's the pastor of Passion City Church 217 00:10:50,850 --> 00:10:54,130 S1: in the original visionary of the passion movement, which exists 218 00:10:54,170 --> 00:10:57,370 S1: to call a generation to leverage their lives not for themselves, 219 00:10:57,370 --> 00:10:59,890 S1: but for the fame of Jesus Christ. He's a national 220 00:10:59,890 --> 00:11:03,290 S1: best selling author of Not Forsaken. Goliath must fall. How 221 00:11:03,290 --> 00:11:06,610 S1: great is our God! Indescribable. The comeback, the air I breathe, 222 00:11:06,610 --> 00:11:09,250 S1: and I am not, but I know I am again. 223 00:11:09,290 --> 00:11:11,610 S1: His latest book is called Don't Give the Enemy a 224 00:11:11,610 --> 00:11:14,569 S1: seat at Your Table. It's time to win the battle 225 00:11:14,570 --> 00:11:16,810 S1: of your mind. I love this my dear friend Tim 226 00:11:16,809 --> 00:11:18,770 S1: LaHaye years ago wrote a book called The Battle for 227 00:11:18,770 --> 00:11:20,810 S1: the mind. And you know what? That battle is still 228 00:11:20,809 --> 00:11:24,090 S1: alive and well and trying to take captive our thoughts today. Louie, 229 00:11:24,130 --> 00:11:26,290 S1: the warmest of welcomes, thank you for the gift of 230 00:11:26,290 --> 00:11:29,290 S1: your time. You have 1500 million things on your to 231 00:11:29,330 --> 00:11:31,410 S1: do list. And you gave me this gift and I 232 00:11:31,410 --> 00:11:33,130 S1: can't give it back to you. So I thank you. 233 00:11:34,050 --> 00:11:37,370 S10: Janet. Thank you so much. This actually is way up 234 00:11:37,370 --> 00:11:40,070 S10: on my to do list. So I'm really grateful to 235 00:11:40,070 --> 00:11:44,470 S10: be on today and, uh, happy to to you've invited 236 00:11:44,470 --> 00:11:47,230 S10: me to share with your listeners today. Thank you so much. 237 00:11:47,630 --> 00:11:49,670 S1: Oh, well, I love this topic and I'm anxious to 238 00:11:49,670 --> 00:11:51,950 S1: get into it. But before I do, I want to 239 00:11:51,950 --> 00:11:54,390 S1: find out because I never get tired of hearing these stories. 240 00:11:54,390 --> 00:11:56,350 S1: In fact, I think this is pretty much what eternity 241 00:11:56,390 --> 00:11:57,670 S1: is going to be like. We're going to hear each 242 00:11:57,710 --> 00:12:00,390 S1: other's stories. How'd you come to faith in Jesus Christ? 243 00:12:01,750 --> 00:12:04,750 S10: Well, I had the privilege of being born, uh, to 244 00:12:04,830 --> 00:12:08,030 S10: a mom of faith. And my mom loved Jesus. And 245 00:12:08,070 --> 00:12:11,310 S10: I'm in an older demographic. So I think the first 246 00:12:11,309 --> 00:12:13,750 S10: week of my life, I was already in the nursery 247 00:12:13,750 --> 00:12:19,189 S10: at church and heard the gospel every single Sunday. But, um, 248 00:12:19,190 --> 00:12:23,110 S10: obviously it has to become your story. So at a 249 00:12:23,110 --> 00:12:25,910 S10: big church in downtown Atlanta when I was 11 years old, 250 00:12:25,910 --> 00:12:27,950 S10: I knew this is my day. I want to put 251 00:12:27,950 --> 00:12:30,350 S10: my faith in this man named Jesus, who has the 252 00:12:30,350 --> 00:12:33,590 S10: power to raise the dead, and I did, and in 253 00:12:33,590 --> 00:12:35,589 S10: those days, you got saved. In the morning, you got 254 00:12:35,630 --> 00:12:38,970 S10: baptized in the evening service and that's what happened that day. 255 00:12:39,450 --> 00:12:42,810 S10: But it was really, you know, my real salvation moment 256 00:12:42,809 --> 00:12:45,530 S10: might have been freshman in college, and the road sort 257 00:12:45,530 --> 00:12:48,770 S10: of diverged, and I realized there were two paths or 258 00:12:48,770 --> 00:12:50,610 S10: more than two. A lot of paths. And one of 259 00:12:50,610 --> 00:12:52,890 S10: them was Jesus. And a lot of them were the world. 260 00:12:53,370 --> 00:12:56,970 S10: And I knew that I needed to make a decision 261 00:12:56,970 --> 00:13:00,490 S10: that was going to alter my destiny. And I had 262 00:13:00,490 --> 00:13:04,010 S10: a choice to make it a social decision a freshman 263 00:13:04,010 --> 00:13:05,890 S10: year of college. I think that would have sent me 264 00:13:05,929 --> 00:13:07,690 S10: down a road that I don't know really where I 265 00:13:07,690 --> 00:13:11,090 S10: would be today. And I remember going home that night 266 00:13:11,090 --> 00:13:13,490 S10: and kneeling by my bed and saying, Jesus, I want 267 00:13:13,530 --> 00:13:15,810 S10: to follow you. I want to go where you're going. 268 00:13:15,850 --> 00:13:19,410 S10: I want to be on your page. And I surrendered 269 00:13:19,410 --> 00:13:22,330 S10: my life to him right then and right there. Not 270 00:13:22,330 --> 00:13:25,810 S10: because of my mom's faith, um, and not really a 271 00:13:25,809 --> 00:13:29,370 S10: child's faith, but the faith of somebody who knew what 272 00:13:29,370 --> 00:13:32,410 S10: the consequences and what the choice was all about. And 273 00:13:32,450 --> 00:13:35,200 S10: I think I probably did get saved when I was younger, 274 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,400 S10: but I made a decision to follow Jesus as a 275 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:43,080 S10: college student. And man, I'm so grateful that I did. 276 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,079 S1: Yeah. Amen. It really is the distinction between Savior and Lord. 277 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,520 S1: And so many of us have that same story where 278 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,760 S1: we make that decision. Maybe because we were raised in 279 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,079 S1: a Christian home and we came to faith early. But 280 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,520 S1: then there's this deepening, this quickening, this being totally sold out. 281 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,920 S1: And that's when I think the lordship really takes over. 282 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:01,840 S1: You could have gone a thousand directions. What drew you 283 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:02,760 S1: to being a pastor? 284 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:10,199 S10: Unmistakably the call of God. I did not see it coming. And, um, 285 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,079 S10: I have one of those sort of Moses stories. I mean, 286 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:14,880 S10: I didn't see a burning bush, but I might as 287 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,040 S10: well have. Um, I woke up in the middle of 288 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:23,000 S10: the night. I felt God's presence, and I felt him 289 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,400 S10: calling me, saying, I'm choosing you and appointing you to 290 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,000 S10: preach the gospel to your generation. And I didn't know 291 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,180 S10: what that meant exactly, but I know that it was powerful. And, 292 00:14:34,220 --> 00:14:36,860 S10: you know, being a proclaimer of the gospel, being a 293 00:14:36,860 --> 00:14:40,180 S10: local church pastor like I am now, it's not a 294 00:14:40,260 --> 00:14:45,580 S10: super easy road. But that call was so defining for me, 295 00:14:45,900 --> 00:14:50,380 S10: so captivating. And I knew in that moment that I 296 00:14:50,420 --> 00:14:55,260 S10: couldn't do anything else but follow that call in my life. 297 00:14:55,260 --> 00:14:56,900 S10: And that's what I tell people now. They're like, how 298 00:14:56,900 --> 00:14:58,860 S10: do I know whether I'm supposed to be a preacher 299 00:14:58,860 --> 00:15:01,180 S10: or a pastor? I said, if you can do something else, 300 00:15:01,660 --> 00:15:03,940 S10: then you should go do that. If you get to 301 00:15:03,980 --> 00:15:08,739 S10: the point where you cannot do anything else but follow 302 00:15:08,740 --> 00:15:11,020 S10: God's call to be a preacher or a pastor, then 303 00:15:11,060 --> 00:15:14,860 S10: do that. And so I, I knew for sure that's 304 00:15:14,860 --> 00:15:17,140 S10: what God was calling me to do. I didn't know 305 00:15:17,180 --> 00:15:19,060 S10: exactly what it was going to look like or where 306 00:15:19,060 --> 00:15:21,940 S10: it was going to take me, but I said yes. 307 00:15:21,940 --> 00:15:25,300 S10: That night. There was no way I could say anything else. 308 00:15:25,340 --> 00:15:29,980 S10: I mean, I was stunned and overwhelmed and I've just 309 00:15:29,980 --> 00:15:33,800 S10: tried to keep saying yes every day, and that's how 310 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:35,440 S10: I've gotten to where I am today. 311 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,360 S1: Wow. Oh, that's so wonderful. It's almost redundant to ask 312 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,920 S1: you this because the answer's implied in what you just said. 313 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,160 S1: But I love the idea that people are passionate about Jesus. 314 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:46,680 S1: I mean, you look at the scriptures out of the 315 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,680 S1: abundance of the heart. The mouth speaks. The Word of 316 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,600 S1: God is fire in the bones of Jeremiah. So passion 317 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,720 S1: should be a definer, a recognizable manifestation of who we 318 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,400 S1: are in Christ. But where did this passion movement come from? 319 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,960 S10: Well, I ended up in grad school in Texas and, um, 320 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,280 S10: God again met met me through a pretty powerful encounter. 321 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,240 S10: And my wife and I, Shelley, we started a ministry 322 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,080 S10: on a Baptist campus in Texas. One of the toughest 323 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:18,880 S10: places to do ministry might be on a religious college campus. Um, 324 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,800 S10: and I know you know the context we're talking in today, 325 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,320 S10: but when you're close to the story of Jesus, um, 326 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,260 S10: sometimes you lose the power of the gospel. And I 327 00:16:29,300 --> 00:16:31,180 S10: knew that God wanted to start a movement in the 328 00:16:31,180 --> 00:16:34,020 S10: middle of this campus. We did. We spent ten years there, 329 00:16:34,420 --> 00:16:37,180 S10: but my dad had become disabled in Atlanta while I 330 00:16:37,180 --> 00:16:40,820 S10: was in grad school and then leading this ministry in Texas, 331 00:16:40,820 --> 00:16:43,340 S10: and my mom was taking care of him around the 332 00:16:43,340 --> 00:16:48,060 S10: clock for seven years, and she needed help. My dad 333 00:16:48,060 --> 00:16:50,260 S10: was doing okay because he was being cared for, but 334 00:16:50,260 --> 00:16:52,540 S10: we were losing my mom and I just kept asking 335 00:16:52,540 --> 00:16:54,980 S10: the Lord, begging him, please let us go to Atlanta 336 00:16:54,980 --> 00:16:56,140 S10: to help with that. 337 00:16:56,180 --> 00:16:56,620 S1: Mhm. 338 00:16:57,060 --> 00:16:59,460 S10: And um, I'll tell you the rest of that story 339 00:16:59,460 --> 00:17:00,620 S10: after the break, but. 340 00:17:00,660 --> 00:17:01,100 S1: I'm so. 341 00:17:01,100 --> 00:17:04,220 S10: Glad it changed a lot of, a lot of people's lives. 342 00:17:04,740 --> 00:17:06,380 S1: Well and I didn't want you to rush it Louis. 343 00:17:06,380 --> 00:17:08,780 S1: So I'm so thankful that you're being sensitive to that music. 344 00:17:08,780 --> 00:17:10,980 S1: We bow in submission to the clock here. I want 345 00:17:10,980 --> 00:17:12,900 S1: to come back and get that rest of that story. 346 00:17:12,900 --> 00:17:15,500 S1: And I'm so looking forward to diving in feet first 347 00:17:15,500 --> 00:17:18,300 S1: to the 23rd Psalm, particularly verse five. And if you 348 00:17:18,300 --> 00:17:20,139 S1: don't know what that is, it's going to make a 349 00:17:20,140 --> 00:17:22,300 S1: whole lot of sense when you remember that Louie's newest 350 00:17:22,300 --> 00:17:24,659 S1: book is called Don't Give the Enemy a Seat at 351 00:17:24,660 --> 00:17:43,810 S1: Your Table. More with Louie Giglio right after this. How 352 00:17:43,810 --> 00:17:46,290 S1: wonderful to spend time with Louie Giglio, who's the pastor 353 00:17:46,290 --> 00:17:49,570 S1: of Passion City Church and the original visionary of the 354 00:17:49,570 --> 00:17:51,530 S1: Passion movement. We're going to learn more about that in 355 00:17:51,530 --> 00:17:54,129 S1: a moment. He's a best selling author. He has hosted 356 00:17:54,130 --> 00:17:58,570 S1: over 700,000 plus people from over 150 countries online at 357 00:17:58,570 --> 00:18:01,970 S1: passion 2021. And his newest book is called Don't Give 358 00:18:01,970 --> 00:18:05,570 S1: the Enemy a Seat at Your Table. So you want 359 00:18:05,570 --> 00:18:07,970 S1: to help your mom. I love this, I love family stories. 360 00:18:07,970 --> 00:18:10,650 S1: So your dad needs round the clock care. Your mom's 361 00:18:10,650 --> 00:18:13,169 S1: getting burnt out. You want to help her? She's in Atlanta, 362 00:18:13,170 --> 00:18:14,890 S1: so pick up the story. If you'd be so kind. Louie. 363 00:18:15,130 --> 00:18:17,130 S10: Yeah. So every time I ask the Lord, I'm like, 364 00:18:17,130 --> 00:18:19,250 S10: please let us go to Atlanta. And then someone would 365 00:18:19,250 --> 00:18:21,090 S10: randomly walk up to me in a restaurant and say, 366 00:18:21,090 --> 00:18:22,970 S10: I don't know why I'm supposed to share this with you, 367 00:18:22,970 --> 00:18:25,910 S10: but then the Scripture Jesus said to that man, let 368 00:18:25,910 --> 00:18:29,270 S10: the dead bury the dead. As for you, you follow me. 369 00:18:29,310 --> 00:18:31,750 S10: And I'd be like, okay, so we'd stay in Waco, 370 00:18:32,030 --> 00:18:35,070 S10: but eventually we got the go ahead to come to Atlanta. 371 00:18:35,109 --> 00:18:37,630 S10: We made the transition, and when we moved to Atlanta, 372 00:18:37,670 --> 00:18:41,310 S10: my dad passed away. And here we were really in 373 00:18:41,310 --> 00:18:45,270 S10: a cloudy season. But God dropped a vision into that 374 00:18:45,270 --> 00:18:48,030 S10: moment of confusion. And it was passion conference, and we 375 00:18:48,030 --> 00:18:49,270 S10: didn't know what it was going to be called. We 376 00:18:49,270 --> 00:18:51,629 S10: just knew that we were called to gather the students 377 00:18:51,630 --> 00:18:55,510 S10: of the nation, 18 million university students in America, not 378 00:18:55,510 --> 00:19:00,070 S10: just a campus, but all the campuses. And we started 379 00:19:00,070 --> 00:19:03,870 S10: down that road. And somehow, you know, we're praying, Lord, 380 00:19:03,869 --> 00:19:05,910 S10: what is this thing supposed to be called? And we 381 00:19:05,910 --> 00:19:09,390 S10: felt passion. And in that day and age, you couldn't 382 00:19:09,390 --> 00:19:12,590 S10: even Google passion without ending up on the wrong website. 383 00:19:13,070 --> 00:19:14,590 S10: And so we were like, how do we do this? 384 00:19:14,590 --> 00:19:18,030 S10: And how do we redeem this word? And we redeemed 385 00:19:18,030 --> 00:19:20,710 S10: it because it's it's the story of Jesus we call 386 00:19:20,710 --> 00:19:23,530 S10: the last week of Jesus life on earth, passion Week 387 00:19:23,810 --> 00:19:27,690 S10: or the last week before the cross Passion Week. Because, um, 388 00:19:27,930 --> 00:19:30,610 S10: we defined it this way. We found this definition, and 389 00:19:30,970 --> 00:19:34,490 S10: passion is the degree of difficulty we're willing to endure 390 00:19:34,650 --> 00:19:38,290 S10: to accomplish the goal. And that's what drove Jesus. And 391 00:19:38,290 --> 00:19:40,170 S10: it's what needs to be driving us. So we're not 392 00:19:40,170 --> 00:19:43,889 S10: just talking about zeal or emotion or enthusiasm. We're talking 393 00:19:43,890 --> 00:19:46,930 S10: about that deep seated sense of for the joy that 394 00:19:46,930 --> 00:19:51,010 S10: is set before me, I endure that, that that deep 395 00:19:51,010 --> 00:19:54,770 S10: seated determination. It's like the same thing that gets us 396 00:19:54,770 --> 00:19:56,649 S10: out of bed to go on our run in the morning, 397 00:19:56,650 --> 00:19:58,970 S10: or the same thing that causes us to go the 398 00:19:58,970 --> 00:20:01,250 S10: extra mile, or that second job, so that we can 399 00:20:01,250 --> 00:20:05,850 S10: provide the education for our children. That's passion, and that's 400 00:20:05,850 --> 00:20:08,410 S10: what every one of us should be filled with. As 401 00:20:08,410 --> 00:20:11,090 S10: we look out into this world and go, this world 402 00:20:11,090 --> 00:20:15,250 S10: needs Jesus, and we need passionate people to carry the 403 00:20:15,250 --> 00:20:17,290 S10: story of Jesus to the ends of the earth. 404 00:20:17,730 --> 00:20:20,689 S1: Amen and amen. Boy, and you just touched on my 405 00:20:20,690 --> 00:20:23,550 S1: life verses the Hebrews 12 one through three. I am, 406 00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:26,630 S1: no pun intended, passionate about those three verses, and it's 407 00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:29,109 S1: the running part that really gets me the perseverance part, 408 00:20:29,109 --> 00:20:31,030 S1: because it goes just to what you just said, Louis, 409 00:20:31,070 --> 00:20:33,870 S1: that our relationship with Christ is not a 50 yard dash. 410 00:20:33,869 --> 00:20:36,310 S1: It's being completely and totally sold out. It's much more 411 00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:38,390 S1: of a marathon than it is a 50 yard dash. 412 00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:40,510 S1: And it takes, I think you could interchange the word 413 00:20:40,510 --> 00:20:42,990 S1: commitment and passion together back and forth. So I thank 414 00:20:42,990 --> 00:20:44,910 S1: you for that. But I want to dive into this 415 00:20:44,910 --> 00:20:47,390 S1: business about students. And this is going to segue, believe 416 00:20:47,390 --> 00:20:49,910 S1: it or not, in our conversation to your newest book, 417 00:20:49,910 --> 00:20:51,750 S1: don't give the Enemy a seat at Your table, but 418 00:20:51,990 --> 00:20:54,389 S1: you love students, and I love people who love students. 419 00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:57,830 S1: And my question is, wow, I read the data, Louis, 420 00:20:57,830 --> 00:21:00,550 S1: and it's not good. I mean, if you've got 49%, 421 00:21:00,550 --> 00:21:03,189 S1: according to Barna of young people who say that they don't, 422 00:21:03,230 --> 00:21:06,230 S1: not only they don't, they think it's wrong to share 423 00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:08,669 S1: the gospel of Jesus Christ. If a lot of Christian 424 00:21:08,670 --> 00:21:11,590 S1: kids who think they have a biblical worldview, boom, hit 425 00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:14,750 S1: that secular campus and it's gone, they walk away. They're 426 00:21:14,750 --> 00:21:18,629 S1: now subscribing to that Oxford University post-truth world where I 427 00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:20,659 S1: don't care what truth is, I don't feel good about it, 428 00:21:20,660 --> 00:21:23,699 S1: therefore I reject it. All of that is part of 429 00:21:23,700 --> 00:21:25,980 S1: what you do when you have to minister. How do 430 00:21:25,980 --> 00:21:28,979 S1: you absolutely cut through those bramble bushes to get to 431 00:21:29,020 --> 00:21:32,420 S1: the person of Jesus Christ, when there's so much confusion, pain, 432 00:21:32,420 --> 00:21:34,900 S1: and disassociation in that demographic? 433 00:21:36,060 --> 00:21:38,340 S10: Well, I know for us, you know, when we started 434 00:21:38,340 --> 00:21:41,379 S10: in our early days at Baylor University, and even today, 435 00:21:41,380 --> 00:21:44,020 S10: if we're in a football stadium here in Atlanta with 436 00:21:44,020 --> 00:21:48,340 S10: 65,000 college students, really my job is to tell the 437 00:21:48,340 --> 00:21:50,540 S10: story of Jesus. And if somebody says, I don't want 438 00:21:50,580 --> 00:21:52,820 S10: to hear the story of Jesus, then you don't tell 439 00:21:52,820 --> 00:21:55,580 S10: them the story of Jesus. Everybody gets a choice. But 440 00:21:55,580 --> 00:21:58,820 S10: what I've tried to do is to differentiate. And I 441 00:21:58,820 --> 00:22:03,179 S10: say this in a healthy way between Denominationalism and Jesus 442 00:22:03,180 --> 00:22:07,060 S10: as a person. And people say Christians this and Christians that, 443 00:22:07,060 --> 00:22:09,100 S10: and the church, this and the church, that and those 444 00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:11,220 S10: people and those people. And I'm like, hey, that's all 445 00:22:11,220 --> 00:22:15,220 S10: great and good. Have you looked at Jesus? And most 446 00:22:15,220 --> 00:22:19,800 S10: people actually have a favorable opinion of Jesus. And when 447 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,640 S10: you start a conversation with can I tell you about Jesus? 448 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,000 S10: Most people would say yes. If you said, do you 449 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,840 S10: want to hear about Christianity? Most people would say no. 450 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:30,080 S1: Or do you have an opinion. 451 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,719 S10: Formed about that? Yeah, but so what I've tried to 452 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,600 S10: do is just say before you, if you're a person 453 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,400 S10: of faith and you're one of these kids that we 454 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,239 S10: saw in our early days of ministry, that as soon 455 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,040 S10: as they arrived on campus, they were solidly a part 456 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,200 S10: of the youth group two months ago, and now they've 457 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,600 S10: just chunked all of that in a very short period 458 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,080 S10: of time. Or if you're in a, you know, open 459 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,800 S10: system of thought where every thought is equal to every 460 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,200 S10: other thought. Either way, I would just say before you 461 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,160 S10: either chunk Jesus or before you, you know, just lump 462 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,160 S10: him in with everybody else. Investigate Jesus. He can stand 463 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:08,080 S10: up for himself. He has spoken for himself. He's lived 464 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,920 S10: a life that can be observed and measured. And I 465 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,660 S10: just say, check him out and if you disagree with him, 466 00:23:15,660 --> 00:23:18,940 S10: then write him off. If you. If you find yourself 467 00:23:18,940 --> 00:23:22,300 S10: being drawn to him, then ask him to show you 468 00:23:22,300 --> 00:23:25,260 S10: more of who he is and that's all you can 469 00:23:25,260 --> 00:23:28,619 S10: do as a follower of Jesus. This is give people 470 00:23:28,619 --> 00:23:32,900 S10: the opportunity to investigate the person of Christ, and the 471 00:23:32,900 --> 00:23:35,300 S10: rest of it is up to the Holy Spirit. And 472 00:23:35,619 --> 00:23:38,619 S10: I haven't found that debating is a super helpful way. 473 00:23:38,660 --> 00:23:41,859 S10: I don't have it found. That argument has won a 474 00:23:41,859 --> 00:23:46,260 S10: lot of people over. But love in action, a lifestyle 475 00:23:46,260 --> 00:23:50,220 S10: that can be observed and just pointing people to Jesus 476 00:23:50,220 --> 00:23:54,020 S10: and then actually showing them what he looks like in 477 00:23:54,060 --> 00:23:57,100 S10: someone else's life. And that's what we're called to do. 478 00:23:57,740 --> 00:24:01,660 S1: Wow. Authentic Christianity. Louis. I really believe that you just 479 00:24:01,660 --> 00:24:03,419 S1: offered a cup of encouragement to a whole lot of 480 00:24:03,420 --> 00:24:05,980 S1: people listening who think, hey, listen, I don't evangelize because 481 00:24:05,980 --> 00:24:07,419 S1: I don't want to look stupid. I don't want to 482 00:24:07,420 --> 00:24:09,260 S1: be marginalized. I don't know what I'm going to say. 483 00:24:09,580 --> 00:24:11,580 S1: As my dear friend Anne Graham Lotz says, just give 484 00:24:11,580 --> 00:24:14,490 S1: him Jesus. Tell him who Jesus is and then live 485 00:24:14,530 --> 00:24:15,890 S1: a life in such a way that even if they 486 00:24:15,890 --> 00:24:18,690 S1: never open the word, they see you as a living epistle, 487 00:24:18,690 --> 00:24:21,370 S1: an ambassador for Christ. When we get back, why does 488 00:24:21,410 --> 00:24:24,090 S1: Louie say, don't give the enemy a seat at your table? 489 00:24:24,090 --> 00:24:42,570 S1: We'll find out right after this. The Bible says the 490 00:24:42,570 --> 00:24:44,929 S1: Word of God illuminates our walk through life. It's a 491 00:24:44,930 --> 00:24:46,810 S1: lamp to our feet and a light to our path. 492 00:24:46,810 --> 00:24:49,290 S1: Without it, we stumble and fall in the market with 493 00:24:49,290 --> 00:24:51,210 S1: Janet Partial is designed to help you look at the 494 00:24:51,210 --> 00:24:53,530 S1: headlines of the day through the lens of Scripture. When 495 00:24:53,530 --> 00:24:55,570 S1: you become a partial partner, you help to make this 496 00:24:55,570 --> 00:24:59,490 S1: broadcast possible, and as a partial partner, you'll receive exclusive benefits. 497 00:24:59,490 --> 00:25:02,490 S1: So why not become a partial partner today? Call 877 498 00:25:02,490 --> 00:25:05,770 S1: Janet 58 or go to in the market with Janet Parshall. 499 00:25:09,090 --> 00:25:12,109 S1: We're visiting with Louie Giglio, who's the pastor of Passion 500 00:25:12,109 --> 00:25:15,510 S1: City Church and the original visionary of the Passion movement. 501 00:25:15,790 --> 00:25:18,629 S1: He wants to call a generation of students to really 502 00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:21,030 S1: get to know who Jesus is, and to leverage their 503 00:25:21,030 --> 00:25:23,470 S1: lives for him. By the way, he's a best selling author. 504 00:25:23,710 --> 00:25:26,750 S1: Over a dozen books, including the new one we're talking about, 505 00:25:26,790 --> 00:25:29,630 S1: Don't Give the Enemy a seat at Your table. And 506 00:25:29,630 --> 00:25:31,869 S1: it really and truly takes a good look at one 507 00:25:31,869 --> 00:25:35,909 S1: verse in particular, but Psalm 23 in general. And I 508 00:25:35,950 --> 00:25:38,950 S1: laugh because I've heard you give this message and it's wonderful. 509 00:25:38,990 --> 00:25:40,670 S1: But I gotta start with this idea of sheep, because 510 00:25:40,670 --> 00:25:42,350 S1: you're talking to a gal who owns sheep. And I 511 00:25:42,350 --> 00:25:46,510 S1: gotta tell you, not a compliment, okay? Not a compliment. Uh, 512 00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:50,629 S1: they have no self-defense whatsoever. They only huddled together. They're 513 00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:52,750 S1: afraid they stomp their foot. That's the only thing they 514 00:25:52,750 --> 00:25:54,350 S1: can do to try to look like they're mad, but 515 00:25:54,350 --> 00:25:58,110 S1: otherwise they just kind of freeze. They just don't do much. So, uh, 516 00:25:58,109 --> 00:26:00,750 S1: when the sheep, we are told, are easily led astray. 517 00:26:00,790 --> 00:26:04,629 S1: No kidding. And so we desperately need a shepherd. And 518 00:26:04,790 --> 00:26:06,830 S1: I think that verse means more to me now. Now 519 00:26:06,830 --> 00:26:08,630 S1: that I'm a sheep owner than before I had sheep. 520 00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:12,250 S1: Because I realize the protection, the rod to direct them, 521 00:26:12,250 --> 00:26:13,970 S1: to make sure they don't go over the cliff. Keep 522 00:26:13,970 --> 00:26:17,209 S1: them away from the wild beasts. It's also tremendously important. 523 00:26:17,210 --> 00:26:20,250 S1: But you zoomed in in particular, and I and I 524 00:26:20,369 --> 00:26:22,290 S1: know you've heard this a million times since you started 525 00:26:22,290 --> 00:26:24,650 S1: teaching on this, but I never looked at verse five 526 00:26:24,850 --> 00:26:27,250 S1: in the way in which you teach it. In fact, 527 00:26:27,250 --> 00:26:28,730 S1: I love the way you do it, because you literally 528 00:26:28,730 --> 00:26:30,650 S1: sit down at a table with food and you talk 529 00:26:30,690 --> 00:26:34,010 S1: about sharing it and invite us to recognize what it's 530 00:26:34,010 --> 00:26:36,530 S1: like and who's sitting at that table. So tell me 531 00:26:36,530 --> 00:26:39,169 S1: about verse five, and why are you so riveted on 532 00:26:39,170 --> 00:26:40,050 S1: this for this book? 533 00:26:41,210 --> 00:26:44,050 S10: Well, the whole book started with me getting a text 534 00:26:44,050 --> 00:26:46,970 S10: from a friend. So a phone text led me to 535 00:26:47,010 --> 00:26:49,889 S10: the text The living Word of God text and the 536 00:26:50,290 --> 00:26:52,609 S10: phone text was me reaching out to a friend after 537 00:26:52,650 --> 00:26:55,090 S10: kind of a rough patch. And you know, we all 538 00:26:55,090 --> 00:26:57,689 S10: want vindication. And so a month or two later, after 539 00:26:57,690 --> 00:27:01,090 S10: a certain event, something happened and it kind of kind 540 00:27:01,130 --> 00:27:03,450 S10: of put a favorable light on me. And some things 541 00:27:03,450 --> 00:27:05,650 S10: had been said. This was a decade or so ago, 542 00:27:06,010 --> 00:27:08,950 S10: just in a rough season of life, and I had. 543 00:27:08,990 --> 00:27:11,030 S10: I texted a friend of mine who'd walked with me 544 00:27:11,070 --> 00:27:12,710 S10: through that season to say, hey, you're not going to 545 00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:14,910 S10: believe what happened today. Isn't this awesome? If you just 546 00:27:14,910 --> 00:27:17,470 S10: give things time, you know, it always kind of comes 547 00:27:17,470 --> 00:27:20,950 S10: back around. And I just wanted to commiserate. But this friend, 548 00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:23,830 S10: fortunately was was really led of the spirit and sent 549 00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:27,510 S10: me a nine word response. And it was the simple text, 550 00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:30,950 S10: don't give the enemy a seat at your table. And 551 00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:33,550 S10: when I stared down at my phone and saw that message, 552 00:27:33,550 --> 00:27:37,790 S10: I realized, Janet, that over this season I had let 553 00:27:37,790 --> 00:27:41,470 S10: the enemy sit down in my mind, start feeding me 554 00:27:41,470 --> 00:27:44,470 S10: thoughts and ideas, and not only were the thoughts and 555 00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:47,350 S10: ideas just coming into my mind, I now was actually 556 00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:51,630 S10: in a conversation with my adversary. And the enemy we're 557 00:27:51,630 --> 00:27:53,630 S10: talking about in this book is not the enemy that 558 00:27:53,630 --> 00:27:56,510 S10: Jesus calls us to love our enemy. This is the 559 00:27:56,510 --> 00:28:00,510 S10: enemy capital E, the enemy, the adversary who prowls around 560 00:28:00,750 --> 00:28:05,070 S10: looking to destroy our lives. And I realized standing there 561 00:28:05,070 --> 00:28:07,620 S10: at the top of my driveway staring at my phone. 562 00:28:07,619 --> 00:28:12,460 S10: I have been having a conversation with a killer, and 563 00:28:12,820 --> 00:28:18,380 S10: that text just shifted everything in an instant and changed 564 00:28:18,380 --> 00:28:21,979 S10: my life right in that moment and continues to change 565 00:28:21,980 --> 00:28:25,580 S10: my life even now, years and years later. And it 566 00:28:25,619 --> 00:28:31,540 S10: dominoed into the text Psalm 23 the Lord is my shepherd. 567 00:28:31,780 --> 00:28:36,379 S10: He prepares a table before me in the presence of 568 00:28:36,380 --> 00:28:39,420 S10: my enemies. And I say, when I when I give 569 00:28:39,420 --> 00:28:41,219 S10: this talk that you've heard me give, I say, you know, 570 00:28:41,260 --> 00:28:43,340 S10: if I'd written the Bible, I would have changed a 571 00:28:43,340 --> 00:28:45,580 S10: few things. One of them would have been, I would 572 00:28:45,620 --> 00:28:48,180 S10: have said, I don't want the enemies around, and I 573 00:28:48,180 --> 00:28:50,219 S10: don't want the table in the presence of the enemy. 574 00:28:50,220 --> 00:28:52,580 S10: I want verse five to say, you prepare a table 575 00:28:52,620 --> 00:28:57,300 S10: before me in your presence. Forget about the enemies, but 576 00:28:57,300 --> 00:29:01,020 S10: God always works in a different way and God wants glory. 577 00:29:01,020 --> 00:29:03,180 S10: And that's why the tables and the presence of the enemies. 578 00:29:03,180 --> 00:29:06,600 S10: But what I show people with the visualization of the 579 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,200 S10: talk is that we have a shepherd of abundance in 580 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,400 S10: a kingdom of abundance, who who desires an intimate relationship 581 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,720 S10: with each one of us. And whether we're in the 582 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:21,320 S10: middle of cancer or a conflict, or a pandemic or 583 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,240 S10: a global meltdown, whatever we are in the middle of, 584 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,120 S10: in the middle of it is a table with a 585 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,720 S10: shepherd who loves us in everything we need. And that's 586 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,880 S10: the beauty of life. And that's what Jesus is offering today. 587 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,120 S10: And he's offering to lead us and guide us and 588 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,080 S10: restore us and protect us and provide for us and 589 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:48,240 S10: anoint us and to come behind us. And the whole 590 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,280 S10: book promises, man, he can set that table, and in 591 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,320 S10: a millisecond the enemy can pull up a chair, start 592 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,800 S10: his little song and dance of commiseration with us, planting 593 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:05,620 S10: ideas in our mind and before you know it, he 594 00:30:05,620 --> 00:30:07,020 S10: is eating our lunch. 595 00:30:07,580 --> 00:30:07,979 S1: At the. 596 00:30:07,980 --> 00:30:10,700 S10: Table that the Lord prepared for us. And so this 597 00:30:10,700 --> 00:30:13,900 S10: book is about how to recognize him, acknowledge him when 598 00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:17,860 S10: he arrives, bind him and his plans in the name 599 00:30:17,860 --> 00:30:20,900 S10: of Jesus, and to take back the table of our 600 00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:23,460 S10: minds and the power of the Spirit of God. 601 00:30:23,940 --> 00:30:26,060 S1: Love it. And the timing of this book could not 602 00:30:26,060 --> 00:30:29,460 S1: be better. pre-COVID, 1 in 10 Americans dealt with depression 603 00:30:29,460 --> 00:30:32,100 S1: and anxiety. A couple of years into this now 1 604 00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:34,180 S1: in 4. So the numbers are going through the roof. 605 00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:37,140 S1: So this idea of anxious thoughts and fearful thoughts and 606 00:30:37,140 --> 00:30:39,940 S1: thoughts of failure and isolation and loss of income, the 607 00:30:39,940 --> 00:30:42,060 S1: list goes on and on and on. Your timing on 608 00:30:42,060 --> 00:30:43,940 S1: this couldn't be better. So I want to go back 609 00:30:43,940 --> 00:30:45,620 S1: to the nature of a shepherd, because you think of 610 00:30:45,620 --> 00:30:48,740 S1: a shepherd as protective. And by the way, you know, 611 00:30:49,020 --> 00:30:50,460 S1: if you go to the Middle East and you watch 612 00:30:50,460 --> 00:30:52,820 S1: the shepherds, it's a horrible job. You sit on the field, 613 00:30:52,820 --> 00:30:54,900 S1: you have to sit there forever. It's a tough job. 614 00:30:54,900 --> 00:30:56,900 S1: If you're a shepherd in the United States, you can't 615 00:30:56,900 --> 00:30:59,500 S1: abandon the flock. It's kind of boring on the one level, 616 00:30:59,500 --> 00:31:02,440 S1: but you're their keeper, their protector, and they know it. 617 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,320 S1: So my Jesus says, I'm going to set this table 618 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,400 S1: for you, not in the presence of your best friends 619 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,400 S1: and family, but in your enemy. How does a protective 620 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,000 S1: shepherd set me up in the middle of my enemies? 621 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,239 S10: Well, the beauty of it is that the shepherd is 622 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,600 S10: in the middle of your enemies, but he's also simultaneously 623 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:24,040 S10: got all your enemies surrounded. And it's Elisha all over again. Uh, 624 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,600 S10: God is in the midst. He's Emmanuel, he's close. He 625 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,800 S10: actually lives within every believer, and he wants to be 626 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,920 S10: as close to us as a brother. But he also 627 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:38,240 S10: has everyone that's around us surrounded by his angel armies 628 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,000 S10: as well. And the beauty of it is that in 629 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,520 S10: the middle of the pressure, the situation, the circumstance, whatever 630 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,800 S10: it is that is um, is coming against us, there 631 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,920 S10: is Jesus in the middle of it. Therefore, we have 632 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,840 S10: what we need because what we need is who we need. 633 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,240 S10: And when our eyes are locked on him, people see 634 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:02,750 S10: on our faith. I have enough, and our enemies end 635 00:32:02,790 --> 00:32:05,350 S10: up getting a front row seat at watching us have 636 00:32:05,350 --> 00:32:08,270 S10: the abundance of God and His anointing on our head, 637 00:32:08,270 --> 00:32:10,910 S10: so that we feel free to share with those in 638 00:32:10,910 --> 00:32:13,110 S10: the front row, in the second row and the third row, 639 00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:15,550 S10: who can see us at the table with the king. 640 00:32:15,550 --> 00:32:18,870 S10: And the psalmist said this. Those who look to the Lord, 641 00:32:18,910 --> 00:32:23,150 S10: their faces are radiant. And so there's nothing that gives 642 00:32:23,150 --> 00:32:27,430 S10: God glory more than putting us in a difficult situation 643 00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:29,630 S10: and then being enough for us in the middle of 644 00:32:29,670 --> 00:32:33,150 S10: that situation, so that those who are surrounding us can 645 00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:36,550 S10: see on us that our God is enough. 646 00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:40,670 S1: Why I love that, I absolutely love that. So I 647 00:32:40,750 --> 00:32:43,750 S1: you when we talk about this and we read the verse, 648 00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:46,350 S1: it's very simple. You prepare a table before me in 649 00:32:46,350 --> 00:32:49,390 S1: the presence of my enemies. Your book says, don't give 650 00:32:49,390 --> 00:32:51,270 S1: the enemy a seat at your table. You know, sometimes 651 00:32:51,270 --> 00:32:53,550 S1: he walks in and he's grandiose and he doesn't ask permission. 652 00:32:53,550 --> 00:32:55,910 S1: He just takes a seat. Other times he slips in. 653 00:32:55,910 --> 00:32:57,930 S1: How do I know when he's there? You talk about this. 654 00:32:57,970 --> 00:33:00,650 S1: What are the ways I can recognize that? Maybe without 655 00:33:00,650 --> 00:33:02,410 S1: my even knowing it. He's pulled up a chair and 656 00:33:02,410 --> 00:33:03,490 S1: he is at my table. 657 00:33:04,450 --> 00:33:07,610 S10: Well, you simply just take his words and you measure 658 00:33:07,610 --> 00:33:11,010 S10: them against the words of God. And fortunately, we know 659 00:33:11,010 --> 00:33:13,290 S10: the character of God through His Word. We know the 660 00:33:13,290 --> 00:33:15,810 S10: plans and purposes of God because of His word. And 661 00:33:15,810 --> 00:33:18,610 S10: we actually know the words of God because of His word. 662 00:33:18,890 --> 00:33:20,810 S10: So when the enemy walks in and says, hey, you're 663 00:33:20,810 --> 00:33:22,530 S10: not going to make it through this season, you can 664 00:33:22,530 --> 00:33:24,650 S10: just forget it. You're not going to make it through this. 665 00:33:24,890 --> 00:33:27,250 S10: I just simply examine that thought and I go, wait 666 00:33:27,250 --> 00:33:29,690 S10: a minute. Uh, okay. Let me put that up against 667 00:33:29,690 --> 00:33:32,450 S10: the character of God. He's the same yesterday, today and forever, 668 00:33:32,450 --> 00:33:34,530 S10: and he's faithful. Let me put that up against the 669 00:33:34,530 --> 00:33:37,410 S10: word of God. The psalmist just told me that even 670 00:33:37,410 --> 00:33:39,770 S10: though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, 671 00:33:39,770 --> 00:33:42,450 S10: I will fear no evil because you are with me. 672 00:33:42,490 --> 00:33:44,370 S10: He didn't say, you're going to the valley. He said, 673 00:33:44,370 --> 00:33:46,370 S10: you're going through the valley. So I, the God who 674 00:33:46,370 --> 00:33:50,010 S10: leads you through. And I will put on my third witness. 675 00:33:50,010 --> 00:33:52,890 S10: Now I am still here today. That means every day 676 00:33:52,890 --> 00:33:55,110 S10: that I thought, I'm not going to make it. Guess what? 677 00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:57,630 S10: I actually did make it because I'm here right now 678 00:33:57,870 --> 00:33:59,670 S10: wondering if I'm going to make it. So I'm going 679 00:33:59,710 --> 00:34:02,950 S10: to rewrite the story. God has brought me through every 680 00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:07,070 S10: single circumstance in my life, and I am here by 681 00:34:07,070 --> 00:34:10,310 S10: the grace of God. Therefore, that voice that's telling me today, 682 00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:11,950 S10: you're not going to make it through this. You're not 683 00:34:11,950 --> 00:34:13,910 S10: going to ever be the same again. You're not going 684 00:34:13,950 --> 00:34:16,469 S10: to survive this season. That is not the voice of 685 00:34:16,469 --> 00:34:19,910 S10: my shepherd. Therefore I reject it in the name of Jesus. 686 00:34:19,950 --> 00:34:21,630 S10: I'm going to put my eyes back on my shepherd 687 00:34:21,630 --> 00:34:23,670 S10: because he's here at the table. I'd forgotten that, but 688 00:34:23,670 --> 00:34:25,990 S10: he's right there. I'm going to put my eyes back 689 00:34:25,989 --> 00:34:28,430 S10: on him, and I'm going to lock onto his words. 690 00:34:28,430 --> 00:34:31,469 S10: What is he saying today? He's saying, son, I'm in 691 00:34:31,469 --> 00:34:32,950 S10: it with you, and I'm going to give you the 692 00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:35,509 S10: grace to make it through this. We are going to 693 00:34:35,550 --> 00:34:39,989 S10: make it through this together, me and you. And I'm 694 00:34:39,989 --> 00:34:41,870 S10: going to believe that. And I'm going to operate out 695 00:34:41,870 --> 00:34:44,669 S10: of that, because that's truth. So when a thought comes 696 00:34:44,670 --> 00:34:46,670 S10: in our mind, we can't control that. We can't decide 697 00:34:46,670 --> 00:34:49,109 S10: what thoughts come in and what thoughts don't. But we 698 00:34:49,110 --> 00:34:53,330 S10: can examine the thought and we we take authority, Paul 699 00:34:53,330 --> 00:34:56,770 S10: said over every thought. That doesn't match up to God's 700 00:34:56,770 --> 00:35:00,210 S10: character and word. And we bind that thought and we 701 00:35:00,210 --> 00:35:04,129 S10: take it captive. Make it obedient to to Jesus, who 702 00:35:04,130 --> 00:35:06,529 S10: is the Word of God. And either that thought is 703 00:35:06,530 --> 00:35:08,290 S10: going to bind me or I'm going to bind that thought. 704 00:35:08,290 --> 00:35:12,490 S10: Somebody is getting bound, something's getting bound. But God says, hey, 705 00:35:12,530 --> 00:35:15,169 S10: you have more power than you think. And and through 706 00:35:15,210 --> 00:35:19,850 S10: the through the Holy Spirit in Christ, people don't realize 707 00:35:19,850 --> 00:35:24,129 S10: how much authority they have to take thoughts captive in 708 00:35:24,130 --> 00:35:26,730 S10: Jesus name and then to replace them, as Paul said, 709 00:35:26,730 --> 00:35:29,890 S10: with things that are true and things that are lovely 710 00:35:29,890 --> 00:35:32,609 S10: and things that are praiseworthy, and things that are of 711 00:35:32,610 --> 00:35:36,610 S10: good report to to take that thought captive in Jesus, 712 00:35:36,610 --> 00:35:39,250 S10: to replace it with a thought from the Word of God. 713 00:35:39,410 --> 00:35:44,569 S10: And now I'm just one that little skirmish for the 714 00:35:44,570 --> 00:35:46,450 S10: battle of my mind. And if I do that day 715 00:35:46,450 --> 00:35:49,010 S10: after day and time after time, all of a sudden 716 00:35:49,050 --> 00:35:52,120 S10: anxiety is going to it's going to move down the 717 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,080 S10: ladder and peace of mind is going to move to 718 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:55,560 S10: the top. 719 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,480 S1: Louis, I think this whole idea of taking every thought captive, 720 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,520 S1: that directive in Scripture is huge. And I know there 721 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,040 S1: are people listening all across the country right now are saying, yeah, 722 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,799 S1: don't have a clue. Can't do it. Never happens. Can 723 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,400 S1: I ask you to just build a little bit more 724 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,040 S1: on that when we come back? Because Scripture tells us 725 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,160 S1: to do it. We don't have a father who frustrates us. 726 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,440 S1: He tells earthly fathers, don't frustrate your children. So my 727 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:18,879 S1: Heavenly Father is not going to tell me to do 728 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,000 S1: something to frustrate me. But how do I take every 729 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,640 S1: thought captive when I seem sometimes overwhelmed by my thoughts? 730 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,760 S1: Louie Giglio will give us the answer to that question 731 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:39,719 S1: and more when we return. Don't give the enemy a 732 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,799 S1: seat at your table. That's the brand new book by 733 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,920 S1: Louie Giglio, The Bottom. The subtitle says it's time to 734 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,440 S1: win the battle of Your Mind. So again, you go 735 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,620 S1: back to this, this wonderful book that contains 66 love letters. 736 00:36:51,620 --> 00:36:53,500 S1: Could have been more, could have been less. Every word 737 00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:55,580 S1: in there under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit for 738 00:36:55,580 --> 00:36:58,860 S1: our edification. And it's a great psych manual, among other things, 739 00:36:58,860 --> 00:37:02,820 S1: including this directive to take every thought captive. Louie implied 740 00:37:02,820 --> 00:37:04,620 S1: in that is not only a God who loves us, 741 00:37:04,620 --> 00:37:06,380 S1: who wouldn't tell us to do something if we couldn't 742 00:37:06,380 --> 00:37:09,540 S1: through his enabling, do just that. But it also implies 743 00:37:09,540 --> 00:37:11,819 S1: there has to be a sense of intentionality. I can 744 00:37:11,820 --> 00:37:14,900 S1: let my thoughts run wild. I watch TV ads on 745 00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:17,339 S1: a regular basis that say, racing thoughts. Take this drug 746 00:37:17,340 --> 00:37:19,180 S1: and there are people perhaps who have to take that. 747 00:37:19,180 --> 00:37:22,180 S1: But I have a directive in Scripture that says I'm 748 00:37:22,219 --> 00:37:25,380 S1: to do something about that. How do I do it? How, 749 00:37:25,580 --> 00:37:27,500 S1: in fact, I would say for a lot of people, listening, 750 00:37:27,540 --> 00:37:30,819 S1: taking a thought captive requires more muscle strength than doing 751 00:37:30,820 --> 00:37:32,380 S1: a bunch of squats or sit ups. 752 00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:37,700 S10: Well, I think that a people, including myself, need to 753 00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:41,140 S10: get into a mindset that we are in a spiritual 754 00:37:41,140 --> 00:37:45,339 S10: battle and so we can't cop out by saying, you know, 755 00:37:45,380 --> 00:37:48,839 S10: it's just too hard or believing. One of the lies 756 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,279 S10: that worry tells us that, uh, you know, I'm a 757 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,520 S10: worrier because my parents were worriers and my grandmother was 758 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,000 S10: a worrier. And I come from a family of warriors. 759 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,799 S10: And so I'm a worrier. And that's just the way 760 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,479 S10: we are, you know, with the Giglio family. Well, I did, 761 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,720 S10: in fact, come from a family of warriors. My dad 762 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,400 S10: was an Olympic medal winning champion warrior, and my mom 763 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,600 S10: was pretty great at it, too. And I can cop 764 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,560 S10: out and just say, well, you know, that's just the 765 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,320 S10: way we are as the giglio's. Or I can realize 766 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:22,000 S10: that God has triumphed over death, hell, sin, and the 767 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,040 S10: grave and put the same spirit that brought Jesus back 768 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,280 S10: to life in me. And he's called me to something. 769 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,879 S10: He's given me destiny and purpose. But I have an 770 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,959 S10: adversary and people need to wake up. This is not 771 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,680 S10: a cakewalk. This is a spiritual battle. And hey, I'm 772 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,440 S10: willing to go to the box and do my CrossFit, 773 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,560 S10: or I'm willing to really bear down and do my 774 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,180 S10: cross stitch. You know, whichever thing it is that you're into. 775 00:38:48,420 --> 00:38:50,339 S10: But then somebody says, hey, you need to renew your mind. 776 00:38:50,380 --> 00:38:52,540 S10: They're like, oh, I can't do that. It's like what 777 00:38:52,540 --> 00:38:54,980 S10: you can do three hours of cross stitch and focus 778 00:38:54,980 --> 00:38:57,660 S10: on this little, tiny, little micro stitch that you're doing 779 00:38:57,660 --> 00:39:00,980 S10: that you almost need a magnifying glass for. But you 780 00:39:01,020 --> 00:39:05,060 S10: can't take 30 minutes today to get into God's word, 781 00:39:05,260 --> 00:39:09,819 S10: to absorb his truth, to renew your thinking to the 782 00:39:09,820 --> 00:39:12,299 S10: way that God is thinking about you in the world 783 00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:15,460 S10: around you. Come on. It's a battle. And we've all 784 00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:19,859 S10: got to take responsibility for our own thoughts. And God 785 00:39:19,860 --> 00:39:22,940 S10: is giving us the power to do that. Current estimates. 786 00:39:22,940 --> 00:39:27,020 S10: The average person is on their phone three hours a day. Um, 787 00:39:27,060 --> 00:39:30,140 S10: thousands of touch points every day. However, we say I 788 00:39:30,140 --> 00:39:33,060 S10: can't spend 30 minutes renewing my mind, but I can 789 00:39:33,100 --> 00:39:35,419 S10: spend three hours scrolling on my phone. And I just 790 00:39:35,420 --> 00:39:38,620 S10: thought the other day, what if we reverse that? And 791 00:39:38,620 --> 00:39:41,259 S10: a Christian spent 30 minutes on their phone on a 792 00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:44,689 S10: given day, and the other 2.5 hours in the Word 793 00:39:44,690 --> 00:39:48,730 S10: of God. Every day our lives would look radically different. 794 00:39:48,730 --> 00:39:51,450 S10: The world would look radically different. So I'm just calling 795 00:39:51,450 --> 00:39:55,290 S10: people up a you have to take accountability for your 796 00:39:55,290 --> 00:39:57,609 S10: own thinking, and then you have to realize Jesus has 797 00:39:57,610 --> 00:40:00,930 S10: already won the battle. He's already taken the beachhead. You 798 00:40:00,930 --> 00:40:04,049 S10: just have to step ashore where he has already won 799 00:40:04,050 --> 00:40:07,450 S10: the battle, and to start just following in the path 800 00:40:07,450 --> 00:40:09,730 S10: and the plan that he's laid out for you. But 801 00:40:09,770 --> 00:40:12,009 S10: it's not going to be easy. The new science says 802 00:40:12,010 --> 00:40:15,330 S10: it takes 66 days to create a new thought pattern 803 00:40:15,330 --> 00:40:17,649 S10: in your mind. We used to say, you can change 804 00:40:17,650 --> 00:40:20,290 S10: your mind in 21 days, but now they're saying, actually, 805 00:40:20,330 --> 00:40:23,850 S10: it's 66 days. So it takes a minute and you 806 00:40:23,850 --> 00:40:26,609 S10: don't get instant result. It's not like, uh, you know, 807 00:40:26,650 --> 00:40:29,049 S10: tapping your phone and all of a sudden you're in Wonderland. 808 00:40:29,210 --> 00:40:32,770 S10: You have to commit to the process. But if you 809 00:40:32,770 --> 00:40:35,129 S10: will commit to the process and stay with it in 810 00:40:35,170 --> 00:40:37,810 S10: the power of the Holy Spirit, you can change the 811 00:40:37,810 --> 00:40:43,550 S10: way you think about anything you can And scientifically rewire 812 00:40:43,550 --> 00:40:47,469 S10: your thinking with the thoughts that you choose to think 813 00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:50,189 S10: in a process of 66 days. Think about that. Two 814 00:40:50,190 --> 00:40:54,030 S10: months from now, we could think completely different about something 815 00:40:54,030 --> 00:40:57,070 S10: that we're captivated by in this moment. 816 00:40:57,590 --> 00:41:00,310 S1: Amen. What a great encouragement. So let me flip the 817 00:41:00,310 --> 00:41:02,350 S1: title of your book. If we are not to give 818 00:41:02,350 --> 00:41:04,590 S1: the enemy a seat at our table, who do we 819 00:41:04,590 --> 00:41:06,030 S1: invite to sit at our table? 820 00:41:07,150 --> 00:41:09,390 S10: Well, A just got to look up and see the 821 00:41:09,390 --> 00:41:12,350 S10: shepherd sitting there. That's the key. But I think the 822 00:41:12,350 --> 00:41:15,430 S10: other people we want around the table are we want 823 00:41:15,469 --> 00:41:20,509 S10: people who are leaning into God's truth. And so you 824 00:41:20,510 --> 00:41:24,790 S10: want Bible people around your table? Uh, you want some 825 00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:27,589 S10: lost people around your table also. But we're talking about 826 00:41:27,590 --> 00:41:30,589 S10: the inner circle now. We're talking about your tribe, the 827 00:41:30,590 --> 00:41:33,549 S10: people that you're processing life with on the on the regular. 828 00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:35,830 S10: And at that table, you want people who will tell 829 00:41:35,830 --> 00:41:38,029 S10: you the truth, not just what God says is true, 830 00:41:38,030 --> 00:41:40,850 S10: but they'll tell you the truth about your life. So 831 00:41:40,850 --> 00:41:42,930 S10: you need some people who love you enough to tell 832 00:41:42,930 --> 00:41:45,569 S10: you the truth, and not just to commiserate with you 833 00:41:45,570 --> 00:41:47,290 S10: and say, oh, I know it was a hard day. 834 00:41:47,290 --> 00:41:48,810 S10: You need people to say, look, man, it was a 835 00:41:48,810 --> 00:41:51,610 S10: hard day, but hey, we're still here. God's alive. Let's 836 00:41:51,610 --> 00:41:54,890 S10: change our attitude. Let's change our thinking right now because 837 00:41:54,890 --> 00:41:58,370 S10: it is in the in the community where faith is built. 838 00:41:58,489 --> 00:42:01,810 S10: So you want faithful people, truthful people, people who love 839 00:42:01,810 --> 00:42:04,090 S10: you enough to tell you the truth. You want people 840 00:42:04,090 --> 00:42:07,529 S10: that are in the word and people who have vision 841 00:42:07,530 --> 00:42:09,490 S10: for their life. That's who I want at my table. 842 00:42:09,489 --> 00:42:13,170 S10: I don't want people who are wasting away binge watching Netflix. 843 00:42:13,170 --> 00:42:15,890 S10: I want people who are talking about doing things that 844 00:42:15,890 --> 00:42:19,210 S10: only God could do to get the story of Jesus 845 00:42:19,210 --> 00:42:21,930 S10: to as many people as possible on planet Earth. And 846 00:42:21,930 --> 00:42:24,770 S10: we have a major calling. We are not just biding 847 00:42:24,770 --> 00:42:28,609 S10: our time. Jesus said, you are my ambassadors, as if 848 00:42:28,610 --> 00:42:32,690 S10: God were entreating through you. We are the plan. The 849 00:42:32,690 --> 00:42:35,770 S10: church is plan A and the church is people. God 850 00:42:35,770 --> 00:42:38,750 S10: is counting on us to finish the task and to 851 00:42:38,750 --> 00:42:42,110 S10: do the work. So I want those people at my table. 852 00:42:42,110 --> 00:42:45,029 S10: I don't want people to sit around talking about nothing 853 00:42:45,230 --> 00:42:48,470 S10: all night. I want people who have vision, who are 854 00:42:48,989 --> 00:42:52,910 S10: taking risks. That's who I want at my table. And 855 00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:57,030 S10: I want people who appreciate grace and who just are 856 00:42:57,070 --> 00:43:00,150 S10: stunned and amazed that God has done what he's done, 857 00:43:00,150 --> 00:43:02,549 S10: continues to do what he's doing, and has promised to 858 00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:04,670 S10: do what he's going to do in the future. Because 859 00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:07,670 S10: that creates a culture of joy. And I want to 860 00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:11,750 S10: be around joyful people and passionate people, as you said, 861 00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:15,549 S10: committed people who are living for what matters most. That's 862 00:43:15,550 --> 00:43:16,670 S10: who I want at my table. 863 00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:20,710 S1: Wow. Oh, Louis, that went far too quickly, but oh, 864 00:43:20,750 --> 00:43:23,830 S1: it was rich. It was a banquet of a conversation. 865 00:43:24,030 --> 00:43:25,670 S1: I thank you so much for that. And there's a 866 00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:28,190 S1: ton more in the book, by the way, but for 867 00:43:28,190 --> 00:43:31,550 S1: a hurting culture right now, for wounded people, for fearful, 868 00:43:31,550 --> 00:43:34,989 S1: anxious people. I really love that Louis is challenging us 869 00:43:34,989 --> 00:43:37,660 S1: to really remember that this is a spiritual battle, and 870 00:43:37,660 --> 00:43:40,020 S1: it is a battle for your mind. And in that 871 00:43:40,020 --> 00:43:42,700 S1: inner circle, as he just referred to who we invite 872 00:43:42,700 --> 00:43:46,260 S1: and how we just drink in that banquet of being 873 00:43:46,260 --> 00:43:48,940 S1: in his presence. Fabulous book. If you're going to read 874 00:43:48,940 --> 00:43:50,939 S1: a book for this year, this is the book to read. 875 00:43:50,940 --> 00:43:53,820 S1: Don't give the enemy a seat at your table. It's time, 876 00:43:53,820 --> 00:43:56,379 S1: Louis says, to win the battle of your mind. Check 877 00:43:56,380 --> 00:43:59,420 S1: it out at our website in the market with Janet Parshall. 878 00:44:00,380 --> 00:44:02,700 S1: When you get there. There's a longer bio for Louis, 879 00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:04,660 S1: by the way. I've also got a link to Passion 880 00:44:04,660 --> 00:44:07,380 S1: City church.com, and on the right hand side there's the 881 00:44:07,380 --> 00:44:10,260 S1: book that we've been discussing. It is Louie Giglio's latest book, 882 00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:12,940 S1: Don't Give the Enemy a Seat at Your Table. My 883 00:44:12,940 --> 00:44:16,060 S1: heartfelt thanks to Louie for his time and for his wonderful, 884 00:44:16,060 --> 00:44:18,660 S1: wonderful counsel. And I thank you, friends, for joining us, 885 00:44:18,660 --> 00:44:20,980 S1: and we'll see you next time right here on In 886 00:44:21,020 --> 00:44:22,660 S1: the Market with Janet Parshall.