WEBVTT - Hour 1: Bible Q & A: Greece Edition 0:00:07.820 --> 0:00:12.230 Hello, friends. Welcome to Open Line, our Bible study across America. 0:00:12.260 --> 0:00:15.620 I'm Michael Radonich, I'm professor of Jewish studies and Bible 0:00:15.620 --> 0:00:19.370 and academic dean at Moody Bible Institute. And today's program 0:00:19.370 --> 0:00:23.870 has been pre-recorded, truly special because it was recorded on 0:00:23.870 --> 0:00:27.080 our recent Moody Journeys of Paul Trip. Let me give 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:30.350 you the scene. We were sailing on a four masted 0:00:30.350 --> 0:00:33.920 sailing ship some 350ft long. You can even hear the 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:36.680 wind whipped through the rigging while sailors work the deck, 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:40.940 pulling ropes and hoisting sails on this beautiful sunny day 0:00:40.940 --> 0:00:45.920 on the way to Kusadasi, which is a city just 0:00:45.950 --> 0:00:49.070 on the coast of Turkey. And then we headed in 0:00:49.070 --> 0:00:53.510 about just a few kilometers into the ancient city of Ephesus. 0:00:54.020 --> 0:00:56.570 We were what were we doing? We were visiting the 0:00:56.570 --> 0:00:59.040 sites where the Apostle Paul went and preached the Preach 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:01.860 the gospel. And we saw those sites. We had actually 0:01:01.860 --> 0:01:06.210 just left Patmos, where we learned about the Apostle John, 0:01:07.020 --> 0:01:09.690 where he was exiled. And then we headed to Ephesus 0:01:09.690 --> 0:01:13.229 to learn about Paul. And on another day we were 0:01:13.230 --> 0:01:17.100 sailing towards Philippi. We assembled on deck under a canopy, 0:01:17.100 --> 0:01:20.520 where I assembled a panel to answer Bible questions that 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:24.090 we thought you'd enjoy hearing. On today's recording, you'll hear 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:28.530 me also doctor Mark Jobe, president of Moody Bible Institute, 0:01:28.530 --> 0:01:32.160 Doctor Joe Stoll, former president of Moody Bible Institute, and 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:35.130 Doctor Lori Norris, currently the dean of faculty working with 0:01:35.130 --> 0:01:38.190 me at Moody Bible Institute. The good people on the 0:01:38.190 --> 0:01:41.580 trip joined us to ask their Bible questions, and my 0:01:41.580 --> 0:01:46.110 friend and tech genius Chris Seeger recorded it all for you. 0:01:46.140 --> 0:01:50.730 Okay, I have a question about the women who wiped 0:01:50.730 --> 0:01:54.600 Jesus feet with their hair in Mark 14 three. It 0:01:54.600 --> 0:02:00.280 talks about a woman in Bethany who wiped with from 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:03.880 the alabaster box and they were complaining about the cost. 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:09.880 But in Luke 736, when Jesus was at the Pharaoh's house, 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:13.300 there was a pharisee's house. There was an immoral woman. 0:02:13.330 --> 0:02:15.850 Are these the same women? Are two different incidents. 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:19.750 Great question. Actually, a lot of there's a lot of 0:02:19.900 --> 0:02:24.460 interesting discussions about this, but I personally think they were 0:02:24.460 --> 0:02:30.250 different women. I mean, different place, different time, different background. 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:34.930 I think the Mark woman was, you know, Mary Magdalene probably. 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:38.110 Do you think Laura was a good chance? Yeah, probably. 0:02:38.110 --> 0:02:42.400 And Luke says that this woman was a sinner. He 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:47.740 uses probably, probably a prostitute woman of the streets. So 0:02:47.770 --> 0:02:50.890 my my sense is they've been different women. Some people 0:02:50.889 --> 0:02:53.860 will answer to say they're the same. I've never felt 0:02:53.860 --> 0:02:57.520 like the context means that they're the same. 0:02:57.790 --> 0:03:02.860 Can I just add to, um, what strikes me really 0:03:02.860 --> 0:03:12.100 about that story is that, um, Jesus said of, uh, 0:03:12.100 --> 0:03:16.570 I'm trying to remember which text it was, but he said, 0:03:16.570 --> 0:03:19.390 this is a beautiful thing, and it will be talked 0:03:19.389 --> 0:03:23.650 about and think about. I love the fact that this 0:03:23.650 --> 0:03:30.940 woman that's broken feels dirty and broken and she's doing this, 0:03:30.940 --> 0:03:34.540 that this story will be talked about. There were people 0:03:34.540 --> 0:03:38.290 that were looking indignant at her. So don't miss the message. 0:03:38.290 --> 0:03:41.530 Don't miss the message. You know, how could you let 0:03:41.530 --> 0:03:45.130 a sinful woman touch you? And yet Jesus said, she's 0:03:45.130 --> 0:03:48.940 done a beautiful thing to me. The main focus of 0:03:48.940 --> 0:03:53.440 it is the beauty of Jesus not being afraid to 0:03:53.470 --> 0:03:57.700 be touched by people that are broken and sinners and 0:03:57.730 --> 0:04:01.450 the beauty of it saying, and wherever the gospel is preached, 0:04:01.450 --> 0:04:04.150 this woman will be talked about. This is a beautiful thing. 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:08.650 And if I can add one more little thing sometimes, 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.440 you know, as we're saying, these are likely different women, 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:13.900 that's not always the case. So there are times in 0:04:13.900 --> 0:04:17.710 the Gospels where you have two stories that have some 0:04:17.710 --> 0:04:21.100 different details around them, or they're told in slightly different ways, 0:04:21.100 --> 0:04:23.290 and they actually are referring to the same account, but 0:04:23.290 --> 0:04:27.159 they refer they represent a different point of view on 0:04:27.190 --> 0:04:30.219 that event by the evangelist that's telling the story. So 0:04:30.220 --> 0:04:33.520 they're bringing out certain aspects of the story that perhaps 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:37.210 another gospel writer didn't provide, or perhaps they situate it 0:04:37.210 --> 0:04:40.120 in a slightly different place in the story to emphasize it. 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.610 So it's not automatically the case that there are two 0:04:42.610 --> 0:04:45.400 different people. It could be in some cases it is 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:47.860 the same event. But I think there are reasons, as 0:04:47.860 --> 0:04:50.080 you said in this case, to see it as two 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:51.099 different women. 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:55.380 So in Luke seven he was in Simon the Pharisee's 0:04:55.380 --> 0:04:59.550 House and the Pharisee. As soon as this woman approaches him, 0:04:59.580 --> 0:05:04.020 approaches Christ. Simon says, ah, I know you weren't in 0:05:04.020 --> 0:05:06.989 his head. He thinks, obviously you're not a prophet. If 0:05:06.990 --> 0:05:09.630 you were a prophet, you would know that this was 0:05:09.660 --> 0:05:13.500 a sinning woman and would not let her touch you. 0:05:13.529 --> 0:05:16.920 You know, and so Jesus goes on to talk about 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:21.060 her being forgiven much. That's why she loves him so much, 0:05:21.060 --> 0:05:24.870 why she's doing so much. And then Jesus says, those 0:05:24.870 --> 0:05:28.560 who are forgiven little love little, you know, and it 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:30.600 struck me when I read that and when I preached 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:36.960 a sermon here. But, uh, in a sense, you know, 0:05:36.990 --> 0:05:39.660 I grew up in a Christian home. You know, I've 0:05:39.660 --> 0:05:42.929 known Christ my whole life. I remember being where the 0:05:42.930 --> 0:05:46.740 Brooklyn Tabernacle Choir was singing, and this is a choir 0:05:46.740 --> 0:05:49.650 made up of people who are saved off the streets, 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:55.680 ex prostitutes, drug addicts. And they began by singing a 0:05:55.710 --> 0:05:59.130 song of blessing to Christ, and the spotlights had their 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:03.120 tears running down their cheeks. You know the redemption that 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:07.470 they felt. And I sat there thinking, I don't have that. 0:06:07.860 --> 0:06:11.489 But then I thought, so maybe it's harder for me 0:06:11.490 --> 0:06:14.640 to love much. But then I thought what Christ did 0:06:14.670 --> 0:06:19.050 to save me from all of that. How the spirit 0:06:19.050 --> 0:06:21.570 in my life, you know, had kept me from those 0:06:21.570 --> 0:06:24.810 kinds of things. And then I started believing that I 0:06:24.810 --> 0:06:27.839 had a lot to love Jesus for, because he had 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:29.700 saved me from so much. 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:35.700 Michael, I thank you for your talk. When we were 0:06:35.700 --> 0:06:39.719 at Patmos, at the cave, and you said that the 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:45.270 people of the people like John may have recognized Jesus, 0:06:45.270 --> 0:06:48.180 because if you know your Old Testament, the scriptures show 0:06:48.180 --> 0:06:51.450 the Ancient of Days. So I just want. And the 0:06:51.450 --> 0:06:53.279 Son of Man. So the Son of Man in the 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:56.609 Ancient of Days is in Daniel seven. So when we 0:06:56.610 --> 0:06:58.890 look at that and like you all might know this, 0:06:58.890 --> 0:07:02.370 but I don't. I've always pictured the Ancient of Days 0:07:02.370 --> 0:07:06.570 as being the father, but the Son of Man is Jesus. 0:07:06.570 --> 0:07:08.100 So who is the ancient? I think. 0:07:08.130 --> 0:07:11.730 You're right. I think the Ancient of Days is the 0:07:11.730 --> 0:07:16.170 father in heaven. Now no one can see God. People say, well, 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:19.170 how did we see the Ancient of Days? It's a vision. 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:23.340 It's not an actual sighting. Okay. So it's a vision. 0:07:23.370 --> 0:07:26.130 There's thrones set up, plural. One for the Ancient of 0:07:26.130 --> 0:07:29.370 Days and then one for the Son of Man. And 0:07:29.370 --> 0:07:32.940 the amazing thing when we come to John one, not John. 0:07:32.970 --> 0:07:37.830 Revelation one, that chapter in Patmos, you know. And the vision. 0:07:38.130 --> 0:07:40.410 It seems confusing. I know I mentioned this, but I 0:07:40.410 --> 0:07:43.679 think it's really confusing. He is depicted there with the 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:47.130 glory that the Ancient of Days has, whereas in Daniel 0:07:47.130 --> 0:07:50.400 seven the Son of Man looks like a man, that's what. 0:07:50.430 --> 0:07:55.700 One like a son of man. And I really do 0:07:55.700 --> 0:07:58.610 think the answer is John 17 five, where the Lord says, 0:07:58.610 --> 0:08:02.300 now that I'm going to be crucified and glorified, glorify me, 0:08:02.330 --> 0:08:04.850 give me the glory that I had with you before 0:08:04.850 --> 0:08:10.070 in eternity past. And now he's depicted in revelation one 0:08:10.100 --> 0:08:18.860 not as the suffering servant, not as the ordinary. And 0:08:18.860 --> 0:08:20.600 that's what Jesus looked like. He didn't look ugly. He 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:25.130 just looked ordinary. If you read Isaiah 53, not that way. 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:29.180 Now he's the glorified Son of Man, and he's depicted 0:08:29.180 --> 0:08:33.170 with that ancient, the same glory as the Ancient of Days. 0:08:33.170 --> 0:08:35.630 He's not the Ancient of Days, but he's depicted with 0:08:35.630 --> 0:08:38.150 the glory, the same as the Ancient of Days. 0:08:42.050 --> 0:08:45.230 Hi. Just curious to hear what your opinion is, is 0:08:45.230 --> 0:08:48.950 why Luke stopped where he did in the book of acts, 0:08:48.950 --> 0:08:53.090 when Paul got to Rome and preached to the synagogue there, 0:08:53.090 --> 0:08:56.540 and Luke didn't continue through, you know, the rest of 0:08:56.540 --> 0:08:57.469 the life of Paul. 0:08:57.500 --> 0:08:59.810 Yeah, that's when he was done. 0:09:02.870 --> 0:09:06.140 Actually, the publisher had a page limit. I think I 0:09:06.140 --> 0:09:06.560 was like. 0:09:07.790 --> 0:09:10.429 No, I really think that's when he was done. He 0:09:10.429 --> 0:09:14.390 wrote all the events up to when Luke was writing it. 0:09:14.390 --> 0:09:16.880 That's all that had happened. He wrote the book and 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:20.360 more stuff happened afterwards. You know, that's all it was. 0:09:20.690 --> 0:09:23.030 You know, it's not like he said, wait, you know, 0:09:23.059 --> 0:09:26.180 I'm going to hold off on finishing the book until 0:09:26.210 --> 0:09:32.420 Paul gets released, imprisoned again and martyred. Which, yeah, it was. 0:09:32.450 --> 0:09:35.060 It's an act. He finished it when the book was over, 0:09:35.059 --> 0:09:38.090 and that's when the events were done. And then more 0:09:38.090 --> 0:09:41.240 stuff happened afterwards. And he didn't have time to to 0:09:41.270 --> 0:09:42.650 write a volume two. 0:09:43.070 --> 0:09:46.220 And especially since Luke was a traveling companion of Paul, 0:09:46.220 --> 0:09:48.620 so much of Luke's writing is drawing on research. He's 0:09:48.620 --> 0:09:51.770 done on Luke and Acts really together, two volumes, but 0:09:51.770 --> 0:09:54.800 also a joint work at the same time. And he's 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:57.679 done that research, but he's also Paul's traveling companion. So 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:01.100 we'll see tomorrow, even in acts 16, where Luke is 0:10:01.100 --> 0:10:04.100 entering the narrative himself and he's joining the story. And 0:10:04.100 --> 0:10:06.949 so this really is in real time when we get 0:10:06.950 --> 0:10:10.400 to acts, he's no longer just doing research right and compiling. 0:10:10.429 --> 0:10:12.770 He's now in real time with Paul as well. 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:15.380 So notice when you read the book of acts sometime 0:10:15.380 --> 0:10:18.620 the we sections Paul did this. Paul did this, Paul 0:10:18.620 --> 0:10:21.200 did this. And then then we did this, we did this, 0:10:21.230 --> 0:10:25.280 we did this. This is a pre-recorded open line from 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:28.250 our journeys of Paul, trip aboard the Star Clipper sailing 0:10:28.250 --> 0:10:32.540 ship as we sail towards Philippi. More after this break. 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:37.459 Do you want to read the Bible but don't know 0:10:37.460 --> 0:10:39.860 where to begin? Or maybe you just want to get 0:10:39.860 --> 0:10:42.500 more out of your reading of the scriptures? 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Let's get back to the questions our tour 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.109 participants had for our panel. 0:11:56.170 --> 0:11:58.870 Okay, I have always wondered about this. 0:11:58.870 --> 0:12:01.450 Passage, and I'm hoping you can help me with it. 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:06.760 It's Matthew 517 through 20 where Christ says, do not 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:08.920 think that I have come to abolish the law or 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.829 the prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but 0:12:11.830 --> 0:12:15.040 to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:17.320 heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a 0:12:17.350 --> 0:12:20.770 dot will pass, will pass from the law until all 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:25.120 is accomplished. Yet we totally ignore Jewish law these days. 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:28.780 I've never understood what happened or why. 0:12:29.290 --> 0:12:33.010 I'm guessing that's for me, right? Okay, if you look 0:12:33.010 --> 0:12:35.560 at the verse, it says, I didn't come to abolish 0:12:35.740 --> 0:12:40.600 the law or the prophets. He's talking about the whole 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:44.020 Old Testament. He's not just talking about the Law of Moses. 0:12:44.020 --> 0:12:47.280 He's talking about the Hebrew Bible. And it's still, by 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:51.120 the way, have you noticed? It's in there. The other thing, 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.240 when it comes to the Law of Moses, I think 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:57.240 we have to think of it in two ways. There's 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:01.800 the Sinai covenant, Exodus 20, the laws that are given, 0:13:01.830 --> 0:13:06.240 you know, you've got these droppings of these, these several 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:09.990 drops of law that come through the rest of the Pentateuch. 0:13:09.990 --> 0:13:14.010 And those are the laws, the mitzvot, the commandments that 0:13:14.010 --> 0:13:18.390 Jewish people try to keep and also enhance and mitigate 0:13:18.390 --> 0:13:21.660 and things like that. But also when we talk about 0:13:21.660 --> 0:13:27.630 the law, we're talking about Genesis through Deuteronomy, right. And 0:13:27.630 --> 0:13:31.740 that's not destroyed. It's we still read it, learn from it. 0:13:31.740 --> 0:13:34.979 There's even the commandments that are part of the Sinai 0:13:35.010 --> 0:13:40.440 covenant all have wisdom principles that we live by. And 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:43.260 they're not destroyed. We're still living by it. In fact, 0:13:43.260 --> 0:13:48.090 in Deuteronomy it says, everyone's going to say that these laws. 0:13:48.090 --> 0:13:50.910 What a wise God you are who has given a 0:13:50.910 --> 0:13:55.080 people so many wise laws. That's what laws were thought 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:57.030 of in the ancient Near East. And so we still 0:13:57.030 --> 0:14:01.320 live by wisdom principles in in the commandments. The whole 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:04.200 Hebrew Bible should be read. I don't think we should. 0:14:04.230 --> 0:14:08.160 What's what was said? We should. Uh unhitch. From the 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:14.459 Old Testament. God forbid. Uh, that is a vital part. 0:14:14.460 --> 0:14:18.240 When Paul said all Scripture is inspired. He's not just 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:20.790 talking about the New Testament. In fact, he's probably not 0:14:20.790 --> 0:14:23.160 at that point talking about the New Testament at all. 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:28.950 He's he's talking about the Hebrew Bible. And so the 0:14:28.950 --> 0:14:32.640 whole Hebrew Bible is still for us. Uh, there's still 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:36.090 wisdom principles in the commandments. So when people ask me, 0:14:36.090 --> 0:14:38.220 are we under the law of Moses or not? I 0:14:38.220 --> 0:14:43.440 always say the same thing. No and yes No, in 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:46.440 the sense the Sinai covenant isn't the Constitution we're living under. 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.860 We're living under the New Covenant. On the other hand, 0:14:50.100 --> 0:14:52.920 all the wisdom of the Old Testament is still what 0:14:52.950 --> 0:14:56.310 God gave us as inspired text and and designed to 0:14:56.340 --> 0:14:57.270 guide our lives. 0:14:57.300 --> 0:15:00.270 Part of the reason he said that is because he 0:15:00.300 --> 0:15:04.260 was being accused of being an antinomian against the law 0:15:04.260 --> 0:15:09.510 of the Old Testament. But remember when the Pharisee who 0:15:09.510 --> 0:15:12.720 was trying to trip him up, actually the Pharisaical lawyer, 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:16.050 they had so many rules, right? What they started out 0:15:16.050 --> 0:15:18.840 with 600 and some, and then they added a bazillion 0:15:18.870 --> 0:15:22.800 of other ones. They were called fence laws, right? Like, 0:15:22.830 --> 0:15:27.600 you should never commit adultery. Therefore you should never be 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:31.080 around a woman. Therefore. And all of these never touch 0:15:31.110 --> 0:15:35.160 a woman. So all of these became equal weight there. 0:15:35.370 --> 0:15:38.460 And we do that a lot today, don't we? Similar. 0:15:38.460 --> 0:15:40.650 But anyway, all of that's kind of a little aside. 0:15:40.650 --> 0:15:45.650 So when when the the pharisaical lawyer who adjudicated the 0:15:45.650 --> 0:15:48.650 complexities of the law came and said, what is the 0:15:48.650 --> 0:15:53.900 greatest commandment? He reached back into the Old Testament. He said, 0:15:53.930 --> 0:15:56.630 thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, soul, 0:15:56.630 --> 0:15:59.540 and strength. And the second one is like it reached 0:15:59.540 --> 0:16:02.330 back in the Old Testament again. You should love your 0:16:02.330 --> 0:16:05.239 neighbor as yourself and all of these, if you do 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:09.140 those two things, all the rest of the laws will 0:16:09.140 --> 0:16:10.160 be kept. 0:16:11.420 --> 0:16:14.690 Yeah, I was going to also just emphasize that there 0:16:14.690 --> 0:16:17.630 is a close connection between the New Covenant and the 0:16:17.630 --> 0:16:21.590 Mosaic Covenant, or the Law of Moses. Um, if you 0:16:21.860 --> 0:16:24.560 think back to the blessings and cursings of Deuteronomy, and 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.080 you get to the end in Deuteronomy 30, where he says, 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:28.790 you're you're not going to be able to do this, 0:16:28.790 --> 0:16:32.540 you're going to fail miserably. Um, the end of the 0:16:32.540 --> 0:16:36.080 the end of the Law of Moses is the promise 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.330 of the new covenant that I will write my law 0:16:38.330 --> 0:16:41.600 on your hearts. I will circumcise your hearts, I will. 0:16:41.630 --> 0:16:44.420 I will do this. I will cause you to obey. 0:16:44.420 --> 0:16:46.700 I will cause you to keep my law. And of course, 0:16:46.700 --> 0:16:50.990 that's repeated in Jeremiah 31 and Ezekiel 36 and other places. 0:16:50.990 --> 0:16:54.470 And so that that relationship, even between the New covenant, 0:16:54.500 --> 0:16:56.390 we're under the New covenant now, not the law of Moses, 0:16:56.390 --> 0:16:58.850 but what is the New Covenant doing? It's enabling us 0:16:58.850 --> 0:17:03.170 to actually obey by the spirit the very heart of God, 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.419 the commands to love the Lord your God and to 0:17:05.450 --> 0:17:08.780 love your neighbor in its totality. So sometimes we we 0:17:08.810 --> 0:17:11.209 separate those two too much, and we forget that the 0:17:11.210 --> 0:17:14.780 New Covenant enables us to fulfill the will of God. 0:17:14.780 --> 0:17:17.930 We're not under the law in that sense, but we 0:17:17.930 --> 0:17:20.450 also are under the new covenant which fulfills it. 0:17:20.450 --> 0:17:25.460 So can I add one? One other thing. My favorite 0:17:25.460 --> 0:17:30.620 phrase is not to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 0:17:30.770 --> 0:17:34.129 It's all about Jesus. I mean, what was the law for? 0:17:34.130 --> 0:17:37.070 The law was pointing us to the holiness of God. 0:17:37.100 --> 0:17:40.190 Only Jesus, he fulfills it. 0:17:40.220 --> 0:17:45.320 You are perfect and holy because of Jesus, the sacrifice 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:48.590 of Jesus. The entire law is pointing to the holiness 0:17:48.590 --> 0:17:50.660 of God and how to live up to the standard 0:17:50.660 --> 0:17:54.500 that none of us can match. And so I love 0:17:54.500 --> 0:17:57.350 the part of I have come to fulfill it. In 0:17:57.350 --> 0:18:00.320 other words, you are justified before God like you had, 0:18:00.350 --> 0:18:05.540 as if you had obeyed every single law. Now in 0:18:05.540 --> 0:18:10.940 Jesus you are washed and cleansed. No need for a lamb. 0:18:10.970 --> 0:18:14.510 No need for another sacrifice. Because Jesus became the sacrifice. 0:18:14.510 --> 0:18:16.159 And that's a beautiful concept. 0:18:17.420 --> 0:18:21.440 I'm going to read the verse that Mark is talking about. 0:18:22.190 --> 0:18:26.510 It says in Romans eight what the law could not 0:18:26.510 --> 0:18:30.260 do since it was limited by the flesh. God did. 0:18:30.500 --> 0:18:33.560 He condemned sin in the flesh by sending his own 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:37.370 son in flesh like ours, under sin's domain. And as 0:18:37.369 --> 0:18:42.310 a sin offering in order that the law's requirement would 0:18:42.310 --> 0:18:46.959 be accomplished in us who do not walk according to 0:18:46.990 --> 0:18:50.650 the flesh, but according to the spirit. That's what Mark 0:18:50.650 --> 0:18:53.169 was talking about. The law's requirement is met in us, 0:18:53.170 --> 0:18:56.080 not because of us, but because of the one who 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:56.980 fulfilled it. 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.780 First of all, I want to say thank you for 0:19:01.780 --> 0:19:04.420 doing this for all of us. I think this is 0:19:04.420 --> 0:19:09.070 amazing that there's so much knowledge and wisdom sitting right 0:19:09.070 --> 0:19:11.409 there and just thank you. 0:19:12.130 --> 0:19:13.990 I'm so thankful that they're here. 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:16.210 I'm really. 0:19:16.390 --> 0:19:17.980 I'm terrified. Every Saturday. 0:19:17.980 --> 0:19:23.860 I think Eva should be over there with you. Yeah. Okay. 0:19:23.890 --> 0:19:31.510 My question is, in the Old Testament, the Jewish people 0:19:31.540 --> 0:19:40.690 were saved by faith because they believed in the coming Messiah, right? 0:19:44.170 --> 0:19:47.290 Be nice. Let me just tell you how all people 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:50.290 are forgiven of their sin and enter into a personal 0:19:50.290 --> 0:19:55.660 relationship with God. From the Garden of Eden till the 0:19:55.660 --> 0:19:58.390 last person ever comes to know him. Are you ready? 0:19:58.420 --> 0:20:04.330 We're saved by God's grace, God's kindness, his undeserved kindness. 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:10.450 We're saved by grace through faith in the revealed will 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:15.010 of God. That's what it is. Now, they didn't know 0:20:15.010 --> 0:20:18.880 Jesus in the Old Testament, right? They God had revealed 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:22.090 that a messiah was coming. Right. And so they had 0:20:22.090 --> 0:20:26.770 a confidence and more and more was given. But they said, 0:20:26.770 --> 0:20:30.340 if I will believe God, just as Abraham did, it 0:20:30.340 --> 0:20:35.199 will be counted to me for righteousness. So they're saved 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:38.800 by grace through faith in all that God has revealed. 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:41.170 And there's a little bit about the Messiah and the Pentateuch, 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:44.380 you know, and more and more and more. And they 0:20:44.380 --> 0:20:48.280 believe that and trusted it. But did they understand fully 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:51.790 that Jesus was going, that Jesus of Nazareth would die 0:20:51.820 --> 0:20:54.340 for their sins and be raised again? No. They knew 0:20:54.369 --> 0:20:58.300 a messiah, a Redeemer was coming. That's what they believed. Okay. 0:20:59.020 --> 0:21:06.100 But my question really is post Jesus, what about the 0:21:06.100 --> 0:21:15.040 Jewish people? God's chosen. Are they automatically saved? I don't 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:16.090 really know how to ask. 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:18.639 I understand what you're asking. Okay, good. You're asking, do 0:21:18.670 --> 0:21:23.560 Jewish people have an automatic in into the family of God? 0:21:23.590 --> 0:21:26.290 Remember what I talked about? Were you when I talked 0:21:26.290 --> 0:21:31.900 about acts 2021? Paul testified faithfully to both Jews and Gentiles. 0:21:31.900 --> 0:21:36.720 He said that he would wish that he could somehow, 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:39.629 if it possible, to be separated from Jesus. If only 0:21:39.630 --> 0:21:46.350 his people would believe. Uh, so you know that no one, 0:21:46.859 --> 0:21:51.240 no one has an end. And since the Messiah has come, 0:21:51.270 --> 0:21:53.700 do you know what it says in Hebrews one? But 0:21:53.700 --> 0:21:58.170 God today has spoken through his son. He is the revelation. 0:21:58.170 --> 0:22:00.090 And in John eight, I want to read you a 0:22:00.090 --> 0:22:04.980 verse of what Jesus said to Jewish people. Okay? And 0:22:05.100 --> 0:22:12.150 my pages are all going to blow away here. John eight. Uh, 0:22:13.350 --> 0:22:20.100 he says, unless you believe that I am. Boy, the 0:22:20.100 --> 0:22:25.980 wind has really gotten up, hasn't it? Okay. Uh, John 824, 0:22:27.150 --> 0:22:29.640 listen to this. Therefore, I told you that you will 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:32.520 die in your sins. He's talking to Jewish people. This 0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:37.139 is the Lord Jesus. For if you do not believe 0:22:37.140 --> 0:22:42.090 that I am is literally what it says that's declaring 0:22:42.090 --> 0:22:46.560 his deity. Unless you believe that I am, you will 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:51.419 die in your sins. So even Jewish people, my beloved people, 0:22:51.930 --> 0:22:55.050 need to put their trust in Jesus. Now, why do 0:22:55.050 --> 0:23:01.889 I say that? Because that's what Jesus said. Now, it's 0:23:01.890 --> 0:23:05.369 also why I gotta just say this. My life would 0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:08.879 have been a lot easier if I had gone into 0:23:08.910 --> 0:23:15.480 another kind of ministry. Uh, I've spent the last almost 0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:18.840 50 years talking to Jewish people about Jesus. Not the 0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:24.480 most open people group I've ever met and have gotten 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:30.389 some blowback in the past, even. Uh, but the reason 0:23:30.390 --> 0:23:33.170 I do that is because of what Jesus said, and 0:23:33.170 --> 0:23:35.450 I love them so much, and I care so much 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:38.090 about them not doing to hurt them. I'm doing this 0:23:38.090 --> 0:23:40.909 because I care deeply. So, you know, I have a 0:23:40.910 --> 0:23:44.149 friend that was in Jewish ministry with me, with chosen 0:23:44.150 --> 0:23:48.200 people for many years. He was our missionary director, and 0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:51.560 he left. He had planted a congregation that grew as 0:23:51.560 --> 0:23:55.040 far as 100 people. Then he left and became a 0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:58.280 pastor of a church in the western burbs in Chicago 0:23:58.310 --> 0:24:01.460 that grew to over a thousand people. And I said, wow, 0:24:01.490 --> 0:24:04.639 I heard your church is doing great. He said, Gentile ministry. 0:24:04.670 --> 0:24:05.690 Piece of cake. 0:24:09.770 --> 0:24:11.540 Yeah, yeah. 0:24:12.950 --> 0:24:16.280 Yeah. So, Michael. So. Right. Nobody gets a hall pass, right? 0:24:16.310 --> 0:24:20.720 You don't detour. Jesus. But. And it is hard to 0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:24.619 reach the Jews. But the 144,000. Talk about that. Okay. 0:24:24.740 --> 0:24:27.650 And there's going to come a day when there's a 0:24:27.650 --> 0:24:30.360 period of time called the time of Jacob's trouble, or 0:24:30.359 --> 0:24:33.960 we call it sometimes the tribulation period that Daniel's 70th week. 0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:37.350 Lots of things that are called in Scripture. It's a 0:24:37.350 --> 0:24:41.040 seven year period, but at the beginning it says they're 0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:44.970 going to be 144,000 Jewish people, 12,000 from each tribe. 0:24:44.970 --> 0:24:47.250 I don't know what tribe they're from. Apparently God does. 0:24:47.280 --> 0:24:50.850 And that's how he picks them. And they are going 0:24:50.850 --> 0:24:54.030 to be. It doesn't say they're going to be sealed 0:24:54.030 --> 0:24:57.570 and be servants of the Lord. It doesn't say, what do. 0:24:57.570 --> 0:25:00.960 You believe that the Jewish leaders at the time of 0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:05.580 Jesus Yeshua, um, did they know it was the time 0:25:05.580 --> 0:25:08.790 based on the book of Daniel? Were they expecting the 0:25:08.790 --> 0:25:10.440 Messiah at that time? 0:25:11.820 --> 0:25:15.720 I'm going to give you a very fast answer. They 0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:20.550 did not, because I believe Daniel nine was pointing to the. 0:25:20.550 --> 0:25:25.680 The exact date of fulfillment of Daniel 924 through 26 0:25:25.710 --> 0:25:32.000 was on palm Sunday. That's when it was fulfilled. And 0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:34.850 what did Jesus say on that day? If you had 0:25:34.850 --> 0:25:40.190 known this day but you didn't so know, they did 0:25:40.190 --> 0:25:43.880 not know. We'll be back with more from our special 0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:46.940 Journeys of Paul Open Line, where you'll hear even more 0:25:46.940 --> 0:25:50.720 questions that our tour participants had for our special panel, 0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:55.400 including me, Michael Wright, Joe Stoll, Mark Jobe, and Lori Norris. 0:25:55.430 --> 0:26:06.679 More coming up right after this break. Welcome back to 0:26:06.710 --> 0:26:10.850 Open Line. I'm Michael Radonich. Today's program is not live, 0:26:10.850 --> 0:26:13.609 so don't call. Instead, I'm taking you back. Just a 0:26:13.609 --> 0:26:16.250 month or so ago to a recent trip I hosted 0:26:16.250 --> 0:26:17.990 called The Journeys of Paul. 0:26:18.350 --> 0:26:21.410 Doctor Stohl, as you were talking at Pergamon today, you 0:26:21.859 --> 0:26:24.800 said that the one who conquers. I will give some 0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:27.500 of the hidden manna. Could you expound on what that 0:26:27.550 --> 0:26:29.170 hidden manna would be. 0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:31.570 Well, of course, it's a reference to the men of 0:26:31.570 --> 0:26:35.050 the Old Testament. Manna of the Old Testament. Right. And 0:26:35.050 --> 0:26:39.820 that that's how God supplied their needs by this wonderful 0:26:39.820 --> 0:26:43.480 miracle of the manna that would come. These these beliefs. 0:26:43.510 --> 0:26:47.590 Not you got me in Jewish world here. But so 0:26:47.590 --> 0:26:51.280 the Pergamum believers were often deprived. They were poor. A 0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:53.860 lot of them lost their jobs because they were Christians, 0:26:53.859 --> 0:26:59.379 lacked provision. I think generally he's saying I will provide 0:26:59.380 --> 0:27:04.780 for you. Hold fast. Don't flinch. I will provide for you. Why? 0:27:04.780 --> 0:27:08.530 It says hidden manna. I don't know, but I think 0:27:08.530 --> 0:27:09.459 Lori does. 0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:17.650 Perhaps. Um. Well, I think part of it, you know, 0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:20.260 as you're saying, there's a spiritual dimension to the manna. 0:27:20.260 --> 0:27:23.770 But I even think going back to John six and 0:27:23.770 --> 0:27:28.930 thinking we're in John's discourses of Jesus. Um, it is interesting. 0:27:28.930 --> 0:27:31.570 The Bread of Life discourse, some of the Jewish tradition 0:27:31.570 --> 0:27:34.960 that underlies their expectations. You know, there's a lot of 0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:39.220 expectation that arises through Jewish history about the Messiah's coming 0:27:39.220 --> 0:27:41.320 and what that will entail. And some of that, you know, 0:27:41.350 --> 0:27:46.210 an expectation of a Moses figure returning in a second 0:27:46.210 --> 0:27:50.500 Moses and the the idea of manna, a, a storehouse 0:27:50.500 --> 0:27:53.740 of manna in the sky. And some Jewish tradition believed 0:27:53.740 --> 0:27:57.400 that the initial manna kind of came from a storehouse 0:27:57.400 --> 0:28:00.580 in heaven. And there was an expectation that when the 0:28:00.580 --> 0:28:03.310 Messiah would come, when those times they weren't expecting necessarily 0:28:03.310 --> 0:28:05.530 just one figure, but when that time would come that 0:28:05.530 --> 0:28:08.260 there would be kind of a re pouring out of 0:28:08.260 --> 0:28:11.950 the manna from heaven. And so remember, Jesus has just 0:28:11.950 --> 0:28:15.430 done this amazing miracle of feeding the 5000, right? So 0:28:15.430 --> 0:28:18.189 he's just multiplied the bread. These are poor, hungry people 0:28:18.190 --> 0:28:20.050 like at Pergamum. But in John six, these are poor, 0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:24.760 hungry people. He's multiplied the loaves and the fish for 0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:28.420 the people. And then he turns and, you know, they're thinking, 0:28:28.420 --> 0:28:30.580 this is it, right? This is it. This is the 0:28:30.580 --> 0:28:34.090 moment we've been waiting for. And he says, I am 0:28:34.090 --> 0:28:36.700 the bread sent from heaven. I am the manna from heaven. 0:28:36.700 --> 0:28:38.530 And they're like, well, how do we. They're taking him 0:28:38.530 --> 0:28:40.990 very literally. Right. They're going back and forth, back and forth, 0:28:41.020 --> 0:28:43.870 and they're taking it literal. And he's saying, no, it's me. 0:28:43.900 --> 0:28:46.630 I am the one in whom you will never hunger 0:28:46.630 --> 0:28:49.390 and you'll never thirst. And so I think that Hidden 0:28:49.390 --> 0:28:51.430 Madden may be drawing a little bit on the Jewish 0:28:51.430 --> 0:28:55.209 tradition and there as well. And that idea that the 0:28:55.210 --> 0:28:57.580 words of Jesus in John six that says, I am 0:28:57.580 --> 0:28:59.530 the manna that is from heaven, I am the one 0:28:59.530 --> 0:29:02.560 who feeds you. Um, it's maybe just an allusion. There's 0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:05.320 so many allusions in revelation to different parts of Scripture 0:29:05.320 --> 0:29:07.990 that could be part of it. Um, potentially Michael might 0:29:07.990 --> 0:29:09.310 have something to say about that. 0:29:10.150 --> 0:29:13.540 Real quick, real quick. Just the hidden manna. The manna 0:29:13.540 --> 0:29:15.400 in the Old Testament wasn't hidden. They went out and 0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:18.280 picked it up. But Jesus is the manna that's been 0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:21.730 hidden from so many because they won't look, but he 0:29:21.730 --> 0:29:25.860 will give them the sustenance from God. The one who's 0:29:25.860 --> 0:29:28.170 been hidden, no longer hidden for them. 0:29:28.380 --> 0:29:30.270 Glad I came on this trip. 0:29:39.390 --> 0:29:44.280 Hi. Do you have any practical tips on how to keep, like, 0:29:44.310 --> 0:29:48.960 a childlike, wondrous faith as you get into scholarly stuff 0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:52.560 and deep theological questions and you study the Bible really deeply? Like, 0:29:52.590 --> 0:29:56.640 how do you keep a very simple gospel believing faith? 0:29:56.670 --> 0:29:57.600 You know what I mean? 0:29:59.460 --> 0:30:05.880 You know what I tell the students at Moody that 0:30:05.880 --> 0:30:12.180 are going to be inducted into hours of theology, Greek, Hebrew. 0:30:12.210 --> 0:30:15.450 It's easy to start taking the book of the Bible 0:30:15.450 --> 0:30:19.170 with an analytical lens, which is not a bad thing, 0:30:19.380 --> 0:30:23.640 but when you study it just for theory, it's easy 0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:27.060 to stop asking, and what are you saying to me 0:30:27.060 --> 0:30:30.330 about my life? And what do I need to change? 0:30:30.660 --> 0:30:36.990 And so the very first chapel that I preached at 0:30:36.990 --> 0:30:42.150 Moody Bible Institute as a president, I went to the 0:30:42.150 --> 0:30:47.520 store and I bought several thousand buttons. The lady said, 0:30:47.550 --> 0:30:50.610 is this enough? I said, more. Is this enough? I 0:30:50.610 --> 0:30:52.920 want more, and I walked out with bags of buttons 0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:57.210 and I put all the buttons across the stage. And 0:30:57.210 --> 0:31:00.030 I said, I just want to remind you, as students 0:31:00.030 --> 0:31:02.670 that are going to be studying a lot of the Bible, 0:31:02.670 --> 0:31:06.120 you'll be tempted to look at it as a textbook. 0:31:06.660 --> 0:31:09.270 But I want to remind you of the story of 0:31:09.270 --> 0:31:14.610 Mary and Martha. Jesus was in the house, the Messiah 0:31:14.610 --> 0:31:19.830 in the house there, the one that has never had 0:31:19.830 --> 0:31:22.680 a beginning and will never had an end. And Martha 0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:28.590 was so busy about just the things that she missed 0:31:28.590 --> 0:31:33.030 the presence. And Jesus said to Martha, Martha, you are 0:31:33.030 --> 0:31:35.460 worried and upset about many things, but only one thing 0:31:35.460 --> 0:31:39.120 is needed. And Mary has chosen that. And Mary was 0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:42.990 at the feet of Jesus in a posture of humility, 0:31:43.020 --> 0:31:47.130 listening to his words and his voice. And so I said, 0:31:47.130 --> 0:31:53.820 if you get the first button right. You get all 0:31:53.820 --> 0:31:57.840 the other buttons right. If you get the first button wrong, 0:31:57.990 --> 0:32:03.060 then your entire life will tend to be unaligned. So 0:32:03.060 --> 0:32:06.540 get the first button right, and that first button is 0:32:06.540 --> 0:32:12.780 humbly sitting in the presence of Jesus, listening to His Word. 0:32:12.780 --> 0:32:16.290 With your Bible open in a spirit of humility, not 0:32:16.290 --> 0:32:20.040 reading it to analyze it, but reading it to say, Lord, 0:32:20.060 --> 0:32:22.400 what are you saying to me? And what do I 0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:25.400 need to do about it? I think get the first 0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:29.120 button right. So every semester I give the students buttons. Now, 0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:33.110 and at this last graduation, I was I was handing 0:32:33.110 --> 0:32:38.030 out their diplomas, and the first guy put something in 0:32:38.030 --> 0:32:39.980 my hand and I looked and it was a button. 0:32:39.980 --> 0:32:42.110 And then the next one, I ended up with about 0:32:42.110 --> 0:32:45.170 50 or 60 buttons that people had were putting in 0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:47.780 my hand, and it was their way of saying, hey, 0:32:47.780 --> 0:32:50.900 I remember keep the first button right. 0:32:51.530 --> 0:32:52.700 Got it? Cool. 0:32:53.150 --> 0:32:56.960 So let's see who listens to open Line here. Anybody? 0:32:57.740 --> 0:33:01.520 What do you do to read the Bible so it's personalized. 0:33:01.550 --> 0:33:05.959 You put on your specs. What do you remember? What 0:33:05.990 --> 0:33:10.340 specs represent? You read it. Looking for a sin to avoid, 0:33:10.730 --> 0:33:16.280 a promise to claim an example to follow, a command 0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:21.469 to obey, or a statement of truth to believe, right? 0:33:21.500 --> 0:33:24.170 How many times have you heard that on Open Line, right. 0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:29.150 It's a really important way of reading the Bible so 0:33:29.150 --> 0:33:32.360 that it's not just a theoretical book, but it's a 0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:37.280 practical book. Every every chapter, every verse. We can see 0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:41.360 something that will apply to me. I think that's really crucial. 0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:43.700 But how do you keep a simple faith? I think 0:33:43.730 --> 0:33:48.500 you have to keep simple. I really do. Yeah. Uh, 0:33:49.250 --> 0:33:52.670 I don't aspire to be anything other than a student 0:33:52.670 --> 0:33:55.250 and teacher of the Bible. I don't want to be 0:33:55.250 --> 0:33:59.330 known as anything other than that. A student and teacher 0:33:59.330 --> 0:34:01.160 of the word. That's it. I don't want to be 0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:05.000 known for scholarship or anything like that. When people say, oh, 0:34:05.030 --> 0:34:08.420 he's a scholar, I think, well, actually, not Laurie's a scholar. 0:34:09.410 --> 0:34:13.489 She is. I'm not. I am just someone that that 0:34:13.489 --> 0:34:15.980 studies and and does my best to teach it. And 0:34:15.980 --> 0:34:17.930 I think that every one of us, that's that's all 0:34:17.930 --> 0:34:19.910 we should. Every one of us should want to just 0:34:19.910 --> 0:34:21.920 study it, teach it, apply it. That's it. 0:34:21.950 --> 0:34:25.580 I had the privilege for about ten years to teach 0:34:25.670 --> 0:34:28.580 spiritual life in community class to freshmen at Moody. One 0:34:28.580 --> 0:34:31.520 of my very, very favorite classes to teach. I don't 0:34:31.520 --> 0:34:33.529 have enough teaching hours now to still teach that one, 0:34:33.530 --> 0:34:35.570 but I hope I get it back one day because 0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:38.690 it's the most important foundation, right? Everything else that they 0:34:38.690 --> 0:34:40.940 do at Moody, like you said, if they don't get 0:34:40.940 --> 0:34:44.690 that piece right, then they can achieve all of these 0:34:44.690 --> 0:34:47.900 amazing goals and get the grades. But the Lord cannot 0:34:47.900 --> 0:34:49.910 be pleased at the end of that. They want the 0:34:49.910 --> 0:34:53.000 Lord's pleasure in their studies. And so I always assigned 0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:57.080 to them this old sermon by B.B. Warfield, back in 0:34:57.080 --> 0:35:00.830 the days when Princeton was conservative. He was addressing seminary 0:35:00.830 --> 0:35:03.319 students at Princeton at the turn of the century. And 0:35:03.710 --> 0:35:08.239 he talks about the spiritual life of theology students, essentially. 0:35:08.239 --> 0:35:12.080 And he he calls them to worship and says, what 0:35:12.110 --> 0:35:14.690 a travesty that in studying the things of God, we 0:35:14.690 --> 0:35:17.650 would grow weary of God. And he says it in 0:35:17.650 --> 0:35:21.580 just eloquent terms. He paints this tragic picture of what 0:35:21.580 --> 0:35:24.790 it's like to study God and become bored with God 0:35:24.820 --> 0:35:28.150 to to miss him. And he raises the question, um, 0:35:28.180 --> 0:35:31.300 you know what's better? Ten hours of study or ten 0:35:31.300 --> 0:35:34.719 hours of prayer. And I forget the exact number, but 0:35:34.750 --> 0:35:37.839 we'll say ten hours. And the answer, he says, how 0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:41.620 about ten hours of study on your knees, right. Which 0:35:41.620 --> 0:35:44.709 is such an important thing, right? We don't study God. 0:35:44.710 --> 0:35:46.420 We don't read the word. And we do that in 0:35:46.420 --> 0:35:50.110 separation and independence and isolation. And we pray before we pray. 0:35:50.110 --> 0:35:53.170 After we do our study on our knees, we realize 0:35:53.170 --> 0:35:56.140 we need him to understand. We want to have the 0:35:56.140 --> 0:35:59.230 specs to see the things that Michael mentioned. And so 0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:03.370 I think that's such an important reminder. We often separate 0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:06.730 things that belong together. Sometimes even, you know, my study 0:36:06.730 --> 0:36:10.390 and my devotional life, there's a place to make that distinction. 0:36:10.390 --> 0:36:13.210 But sometimes I don't like that distinction because it makes 0:36:13.210 --> 0:36:16.270 our study something else that's other than worship, and that's 0:36:16.270 --> 0:36:19.990 a really dangerous place to be as you go deeper 0:36:19.989 --> 0:36:22.419 in your study of Scripture. When I was in seminary, 0:36:22.450 --> 0:36:24.969 a good friend of mine was entering the program and 0:36:24.969 --> 0:36:28.000 she said, I want to master God's Word. That's why 0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:30.520 I'm here. And then she paused. She caught herself and 0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:34.510 she said, no, no, I want to be mastered by 0:36:34.510 --> 0:36:37.270 God's Word. And then she caught herself one more time 0:36:37.270 --> 0:36:39.969 because she realized that was still one step removed. She said, no, no, 0:36:39.969 --> 0:36:42.250 I want to be mastered by the God of the word. 0:36:42.250 --> 0:36:46.090 And that, you know, I constantly remind my students that 0:36:46.090 --> 0:36:49.210 you don't stand over the word. You stand under the word. 0:36:49.210 --> 0:36:52.150 And we're used to studying things from an objective position, 0:36:52.180 --> 0:36:56.020 right where that's the object. And we're we're doing that analysis. 0:36:56.020 --> 0:36:58.840 But when we're studying Scripture, we stand under Scripture. It 0:36:58.870 --> 0:37:02.260 examines us. And so I think part of guarding your 0:37:02.260 --> 0:37:04.570 heart in that simplicity is making sure that you're always 0:37:04.570 --> 0:37:07.990 in the right posture, that you're under and not over, um, 0:37:08.110 --> 0:37:10.150 that it judges us. We don't judge it. 0:37:10.150 --> 0:37:13.210 So I think you ought to buy a good pair 0:37:13.210 --> 0:37:19.390 of EarPods and use music. I find that music often 0:37:19.390 --> 0:37:23.380 touches my heart in a very deep way. God invented music, right? 0:37:23.410 --> 0:37:27.819 It's his music. And so I find that just singing, 0:37:27.850 --> 0:37:31.330 praying and singing, you know, just a closer walk with thee, 0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:35.259 you know, and praying. That's hearing that and singing it. 0:37:35.290 --> 0:37:38.319 My Jesus, I love thee, I know thou art mine 0:37:38.320 --> 0:37:41.620 for thee. All the follies of sin I resign, I 0:37:41.620 --> 0:37:44.650 need thee, oh, I need I find. You know, from 0:37:44.650 --> 0:37:48.670 my childhood growing up in the hymnal hymns that to 0:37:48.700 --> 0:37:52.839 this day draw me closer to Jesus Christ. And so 0:37:52.870 --> 0:37:56.260 I encourage you to add that to your devotional time. 0:37:56.860 --> 0:38:02.680 Sing them, pray them back, and always touches my heart. 0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:05.469 We'll be back with more from our special Journeys of 0:38:05.469 --> 0:38:09.040 Paul Open Line, where you'll hear even more questions that 0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:12.760 our tour participants had for our special panel, including me, 0:38:12.810 --> 0:38:16.860 Michael Radonich, Joe Stowell, Mark Jobe, and Laurie Norris. More 0:38:16.860 --> 0:38:21.719 coming up right after this break. We're so glad that 0:38:21.750 --> 0:38:25.680 Febc partners with Open Line with Doctor Michael Radonich, bringing 0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:30.000 the Febc mailbag every week. 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Let's 0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:45.359 get back to our last questions from our Journeys of 0:39:45.360 --> 0:39:48.959 Paul special open line aboard the Star Clipper with me, 0:39:48.989 --> 0:39:53.189 Michael Zelnick, Joe Stoll, Mark Jobe, and Lori Norris. 0:39:53.219 --> 0:39:54.180 Hello. 0:39:54.810 --> 0:39:59.070 I'm bringing you to Jonah. So just thinking in the 0:39:59.070 --> 0:40:03.600 book of Jonah. And how do you reconcile, like Jonah's 0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:09.960 behavior in chapters three and four versus the prayer in 0:40:09.960 --> 0:40:15.140 and Jonah two, where it seems like he is being repentant. 0:40:15.140 --> 0:40:18.440 And so just trying to reconcile those two. 0:40:19.040 --> 0:40:23.990 I think Jonah is one of my favorite prophets because 0:40:23.989 --> 0:40:28.220 I so can relate to him. I don't know if 0:40:28.219 --> 0:40:32.120 you've heard of Romans 12 one and two, right? Where 0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:36.020 it says, present yourself as a living sacrifice. Right? Yes. 0:40:36.620 --> 0:40:39.890 And you all have heard the problem with living sacrifices. 0:40:39.890 --> 0:40:47.450 We keep crawling off the altar. And I think Jonah 0:40:47.450 --> 0:40:53.270 was sincere in his penitence. But when he finally gets 0:40:53.270 --> 0:40:58.460 to Nineveh, he was also sincere in his proclamation of judgment, 0:40:58.550 --> 0:41:03.319 which was yet 40 days. And and and Nineveh will 0:41:03.350 --> 0:41:06.260 be destroyed, with the caveat that unless you repent, which 0:41:06.260 --> 0:41:08.600 he was hoping they wouldn't because they were the enemies 0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:10.799 of Israel, it was predicted by the prophets that they 0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:14.069 would conquer the northern tribes. And and he didn't want 0:41:14.070 --> 0:41:17.100 them to do that. And so he wanted the Assyrians 0:41:17.100 --> 0:41:20.580 not to repent so they could be destroyed and avert 0:41:20.580 --> 0:41:23.850 the judgment that will come on the northern tribes of Israel. 0:41:24.030 --> 0:41:26.730 And then he saw that they repented, and he got 0:41:26.730 --> 0:41:32.489 annoyed at God. I maybe you can't, but I do 0:41:32.489 --> 0:41:38.220 find that I have repented and talked to God about 0:41:38.219 --> 0:41:42.810 bad attitudes that I've had, and said, I am leaving 0:41:42.810 --> 0:41:52.350 those bad attitudes right? And then, shockingly, unbelievably, my wife 0:41:52.350 --> 0:41:55.020 is surprised to see that I have that same bad 0:41:55.020 --> 0:41:56.340 attitude again. 0:41:57.210 --> 0:41:59.279 I have also noticed that. 0:42:08.750 --> 0:42:09.830 No comment. 0:42:09.860 --> 0:42:12.200 So let me just say that someone once called Open 0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:13.850 Line and said, how can you believe the Bible that 0:42:13.850 --> 0:42:18.950 shows all these biblical figures for all their sinfulness? And 0:42:18.950 --> 0:42:21.470 I said, that's exactly why I believe the Bible. There's 0:42:21.469 --> 0:42:26.150 no cover up. In fact, every time I read it, 0:42:26.150 --> 0:42:27.770 I just see myself. 0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:31.370 So also, I think if I can just jump that 0:42:31.370 --> 0:42:34.969 up into our world where Jesus has called us to 0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:40.310 love our enemies, right? And Jonah refused to be a 0:42:40.310 --> 0:42:45.560 middleman in a compassion transaction between God and the Ninevites 0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:48.500 who needed him to repent. And I think a lot 0:42:48.530 --> 0:42:51.560 of times, you know, we refuse to be that middle 0:42:51.560 --> 0:42:56.240 person between God and someone who desperately needs because we 0:42:56.270 --> 0:42:58.580 kind of don't like that person. They kind of annoy 0:42:58.610 --> 0:43:01.070 us a little bit, you know? But we are to 0:43:01.070 --> 0:43:03.680 love our enemies. Anybody in the house really thankful that 0:43:03.680 --> 0:43:07.600 God has loved his enemies? All right, so there it is. 0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:09.520 All right. 0:43:16.810 --> 0:43:20.980 When we track the events of Jesus chronologically, is there 0:43:21.010 --> 0:43:24.820 any indication in Scripture that Jesus came and lived and 0:43:24.820 --> 0:43:28.870 died during the year of Jubilee, where he restores the 0:43:28.870 --> 0:43:30.340 inheritance of Israel? 0:43:30.910 --> 0:43:34.180 Great question. It's a great question that I don't have 0:43:34.180 --> 0:43:37.120 an answer to. I have no way of tracking the 0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:38.140 the year of Jubilee. 0:43:38.170 --> 0:43:39.730 No way. Seriously? 0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:41.560 Yeah, I have no way of doing that. 0:43:42.430 --> 0:43:45.130 Well, well, I've got the answer. 0:43:49.030 --> 0:43:51.760 Wait, he's got the answer. He doesn't know either. Yeah, 0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:52.779 that's right, I know. 0:43:52.989 --> 0:43:56.560 I don't, I don't, but, you know, I think open 0:43:56.560 --> 0:44:00.460 line's a challenging thing. People call up, right. And expect 0:44:00.460 --> 0:44:03.910 him to know the whole Bible. Like in Hezekiah three one. 0:44:03.940 --> 0:44:05.979 The third word in the verse. What do you think 0:44:05.980 --> 0:44:08.470 about that? You know, and you always do such a 0:44:08.469 --> 0:44:10.450 good job with it. That's why I was surprised to 0:44:10.450 --> 0:44:11.110 hear you say that. 0:44:11.140 --> 0:44:11.680 Well, no, but. 0:44:12.219 --> 0:44:15.280 We don't know. When they started calculating the year of Jubilee, 0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:17.680 and they ignored the year of Jubilee for so many 0:44:17.680 --> 0:44:22.300 years that that it's it's just it's I don't know 0:44:22.300 --> 0:44:24.880 how we could track it. I suspect I could delve 0:44:24.880 --> 0:44:27.430 into some rabbinic literature and find the answer, but I'm 0:44:27.430 --> 0:44:29.200 not sure. So good. 0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:31.870 Question. I think that's an interesting thought. Yeah. 0:44:33.190 --> 0:44:37.360 Yeah. Uh, can you hear me? Can you hear me? Okay. Um, 0:44:37.390 --> 0:44:40.990 one of the Ten commandments is to keep the Sabbath. Um, 0:44:40.989 --> 0:44:43.510 and it seems like the others are. You know, it's 0:44:43.510 --> 0:44:46.060 really clear how to do those, you know, don't kill somebody. 0:44:46.090 --> 0:44:48.820 Don't lie, don't covet. Well, how do how would how 0:44:48.940 --> 0:44:51.040 do we keep the Sabbath today? 0:44:51.100 --> 0:44:55.149 Okay. Well, in Exodus it says that the Sabbath is 0:44:55.150 --> 0:45:00.640 the sign of the law of Moses. Okay. And I 0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:05.259 think that's why, of all the. There's ten commandments. Nine 0:45:05.260 --> 0:45:07.989 are repeated in the New Testament in the New Covenant. 0:45:08.680 --> 0:45:12.400 But the Sabbath one isn't. And I think it's because 0:45:12.400 --> 0:45:15.430 we are now under the New covenant. That's our operating system. 0:45:15.460 --> 0:45:17.799 You know, we used to sort of think about the 0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:21.850 covenant like this. You know, there was, uh, DOS and 0:45:21.850 --> 0:45:25.600 then windows 3.1 and then and now we're under windows. 0:45:25.600 --> 0:45:28.300 I don't know how many 12, I think. Right. So 0:45:28.330 --> 0:45:31.690 we're under a different operating system, and the sign of 0:45:31.690 --> 0:45:35.290 the old operating system isn't there anymore. So that's why 0:45:35.290 --> 0:45:38.920 it's not repeated. But remember what I said is that 0:45:38.920 --> 0:45:43.779 earlier that there was a wisdom principle, and the wisdom 0:45:43.780 --> 0:45:48.880 principle is that we need a day for physical rest 0:45:48.880 --> 0:45:52.960 and spiritual renewal. We need to take a day. Romans 0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:55.570 14 five says, one man honors one day above another. 0:45:55.600 --> 0:45:58.689 Another views them all alike. Let each man be convinced 0:45:58.690 --> 0:46:02.080 in his own mind. Now, I guarantee you, I cannot 0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:07.319 take Shabbat as my day of rest. And it's because 0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:12.390 I've got to talk to all of you. That you 0:46:12.390 --> 0:46:15.839 may think I'm just sitting around, you know, kicking my 0:46:15.840 --> 0:46:18.299 feet back and doing nothing, but that actually takes some 0:46:18.300 --> 0:46:20.880 work to do. Open line. So I have to have 0:46:20.880 --> 0:46:24.870 another day of rest. Have a Sabbath. It's the day 0:46:24.870 --> 0:46:28.469 of rest, a day of physical rest and spiritual renewal. 0:46:28.890 --> 0:46:32.820 Thanks for listening to this special Pre-recorded Journeys of Paul 0:46:32.850 --> 0:46:36.750 Bible Q&A on deck of the Star Clipper. Coming up 0:46:36.750 --> 0:46:39.299 in the second hour on most of these stations is 0:46:39.300 --> 0:46:42.930 a Bible study, also recorded on deck about how to 0:46:42.960 --> 0:46:46.469 be a hopeful failure based on John 21. Don't miss it! 0:46:46.500 --> 0:46:50.310 Open line is a production of Moody Radio, a ministry 0:46:50.310 --> 0:46:52.170 of Moody Bible Institute.