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S5: Nelly! Top of the hour here. Good morning to you

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S5: on this Tuesday morning. Whoa, Nelly. Who said that again? Dandy.

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S2: Don Meredith. Who's the one who said that? Yes, sir. Indeed. Whoa, Nelly!

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S5: Oh! Whoa, Nelly, it's Keith Jackson!

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S5: One of the great joys we have here with Carl

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S8: So that's the problem. And I think that where AI

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S8: concentrate on the negative freedom, which means that I don't

447
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S8: want any restrictions on what I say, think, do or

448
00:21:15,420 --> 00:21:19,340
S8: even define the world as. And purely negative freedom is

449
00:21:19,380 --> 00:21:23,340
S8: actually autonomy. And autonomy comes from two Greek root words autos,

450
00:21:23,380 --> 00:21:27,220
S8: which means self, and nomos, which means law. So when

451
00:21:27,220 --> 00:21:30,820
S8: you are autonomous, you're not free. You're a law unto yourself.

452
00:21:31,100 --> 00:21:35,820
S8: And that is where we sacrifice common sense on the

453
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S8: altar of our own divine autonomy. And so, yes, that

454
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S8: is in fact, rebellion.

455
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S5: Yeah, it's the epitome of rebellion, is it not?

456
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S8: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And the important thing here is to

457
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S8: not draw lines in a culture war where we're saying

458
00:21:49,500 --> 00:21:52,300
S8: it's us versus them because, you know, and I love

459
00:21:52,300 --> 00:21:54,020
S8: the way you started our time together is that I

460
00:21:54,020 --> 00:21:56,899
S8: had my back towards God. You know, um, we say

461
00:21:56,940 --> 00:21:58,980
S8: us versus them. I have to remember something. I was

462
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S8: once them.

463
00:21:59,940 --> 00:22:00,580
S5: Yes.

464
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S8: And them can be us. We're in this together. And,

465
00:22:03,460 --> 00:22:06,780
S8: you know, we have a phrase in Arabic. It means

466
00:22:06,780 --> 00:22:08,979
S8: we're all in the same wind. The connotation is we

467
00:22:08,980 --> 00:22:12,340
S8: all smell the same stink. And it's a little more

468
00:22:12,340 --> 00:22:15,179
S8: colorful than the, uh, we're all in the same boat phrase. Yeah,

469
00:22:15,180 --> 00:22:18,060
S8: but we all. Yeah, but we create the same stink

470
00:22:18,060 --> 00:22:20,420
S8: because we're all sinners in need of a savior.

471
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S5: And that protects us from what we loathe here, which

472
00:22:23,780 --> 00:22:27,940
S5: is angry evangelicalism, which is never saved. One soul.

473
00:22:28,220 --> 00:22:30,100
S8: Well, yeah, I think that how that ended is just

474
00:22:30,100 --> 00:22:32,780
S8: absolutely right is that we're in the middle of a

475
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S8: culture where we can't believe our own eyes anymore, and

476
00:22:36,220 --> 00:22:39,220
S8: we start to go from post-truth to post trust. But

477
00:22:39,220 --> 00:22:42,179
S8: we can't become cynical about it, and we can't suspect

478
00:22:42,180 --> 00:22:44,740
S8: every single person of trying to pull a fast one

479
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S8: over us. Satan is alive and well in the world,

480
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S8: but we need as Christ followers to not only anchor

481
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S8: ourselves in the truth, but make the truth so effervescent

482
00:22:55,740 --> 00:22:58,379
S8: and the aroma so sweet that other people want it

483
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S8: so quick.

484
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S5: I don't see singularity as sentient. I don't see those

485
00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:05,580
S5: as equivocal.

486
00:23:05,619 --> 00:23:07,660
S8: Yeah, I don't either. And in the book I go

487
00:23:07,660 --> 00:23:10,180
S8: through quite a bit of discussion about what it means

488
00:23:10,180 --> 00:23:13,380
S8: to have consciousness and how you can prove that consciousness

489
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S8: is immaterial. In other words, it's not dependent upon the

490
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S8: circuitry of our brain. It is immaterial. It is transcendent.

491
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S8: And so the singularity will be necessarily dependent upon the

492
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S8: silicon of the software. Yes. And so it can't have sentience.

493
00:23:27,660 --> 00:23:29,660
S8: It can fake it, it can mimic it, but it'll

494
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S8: never actually be it.

495
00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:33,820
S5: Well, I think therein lies the danger. It's not sentient,

496
00:23:33,820 --> 00:23:36,660
S5: but it will pretend to be. And it's garbage in.

497
00:23:36,660 --> 00:23:37,540
S5: Garbage out.

498
00:23:37,580 --> 00:23:39,700
S8: Absolutely. So let's not lose our humanity over this thing.

499
00:23:39,700 --> 00:23:41,420
S8: Let's actually assert our humanity.

500
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S5: Boom! Brother, this is powerhouse. Ali, where'd you find Abdu Murray?

501
00:23:46,820 --> 00:23:48,140
S5: For crying out loud.

502
00:23:48,420 --> 00:23:50,660
S3: Abdu Murray, if you want more. And I know you do.

503
00:23:50,660 --> 00:23:53,300
S3: This is a great work. You can get to his website.

504
00:23:53,300 --> 00:23:55,580
S3: Embrace the truth. He has all of his resources. The

505
00:23:55,619 --> 00:23:58,820
S3: book also, I mentioned these these video clips where he

506
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S3: breaks down in maybe 2 to 5 minutes some of

507
00:24:01,619 --> 00:24:04,100
S3: the hot button questions. I sat down and watched one

508
00:24:04,100 --> 00:24:06,460
S3: with my 13 year old. He used one of the

509
00:24:06,460 --> 00:24:09,740
S3: things that he learned in your video, Abdu, to help

510
00:24:09,740 --> 00:24:12,540
S3: a friend answer a question about faith. Like a week later.

511
00:24:12,540 --> 00:24:17,820
S3: So which is awesome. So just text embrace to 800

512
00:24:17,820 --> 00:24:24,900
S3: 555 7898. Text embrace to 800 555 7898.

513
00:24:25,180 --> 00:24:29,940
S1: She's a choreographer extraordinaire and everything is Greek to her.

514
00:24:30,220 --> 00:24:34,070
S1: Super di is in the crew. It's Carl and crew

515
00:24:34,109 --> 00:24:35,350
S1: on Moody Radio.

516
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:38,750
S5: Calling all men. We don't often do this around here, but, boy,

517
00:24:38,750 --> 00:24:45,750
S5: it's important. Reject passivity. Accept responsibility. Anticipate God's reward. Oh, Nelly.

518
00:24:45,790 --> 00:24:47,790
S5: I keep saying Nelly this morning.

519
00:24:48,030 --> 00:24:50,030
S3: And walk worthy.

520
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:54,150
S5: And walk worthy. Yeah, we want to feature this. It's

521
00:24:54,790 --> 00:24:59,629
S5: it's such an awesome event that's been held annually in Cleveland, Ohio.

522
00:24:59,990 --> 00:25:03,909
S5: And now the door is swinging wide for everybody. How

523
00:25:03,910 --> 00:25:04,750
S5: about that alley?

524
00:25:04,790 --> 00:25:06,990
S3: Yeah. Coming up, you are going to get a preview

525
00:25:06,990 --> 00:25:10,630
S3: from one of the guest speakers. I think you're going

526
00:25:10,670 --> 00:25:11,869
S3: to love his testimony.

527
00:25:12,350 --> 00:25:15,429
S1: He's a sports fanatic with a stat for anything you

528
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:19,670
S1: can think of. Young Thunder is in the crew. It's

529
00:25:19,670 --> 00:25:21,990
S1: Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

530
00:25:22,190 --> 00:25:24,830
S5: Well, it's not every day of the week that we

531
00:25:24,830 --> 00:25:32,590
S5: have pastor guns, artillery. And his actual name is tanks. pastor, guns, artillery.

532
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:35,270
S5: How are you doing this morning? And I'm all. I'm.

533
00:25:35,310 --> 00:25:38,270
S5: I'm having fun with you, brother. But my goodness, if

534
00:25:38,270 --> 00:25:41,670
S5: only I could have had pastor tanks for a last name.

535
00:25:41,670 --> 00:25:43,350
S5: It's good to have you with us, my man.

536
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:46,070
S9: Um, I appreciate you guys having me on with you

537
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:47,430
S9: guys this morning, Leonard.

538
00:25:47,470 --> 00:25:51,790
S3: Thanks. Junior pastor. He's a pastor, apologist, emerging theologian. He's

539
00:25:51,790 --> 00:25:55,230
S3: based in Cleveland, Ohio. So a familiar voice to some

540
00:25:55,230 --> 00:25:58,350
S3: of our Cleveland area listeners. He's the pastor and church

541
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S3: planner of Reach City Church in Cleveland.

542
00:26:01,230 --> 00:26:05,390
S5: Man. Pastor tanks. It's such a joy to have you here. And, uh,

543
00:26:05,390 --> 00:26:07,669
S5: by the way, I was teasing him. He doesn't drive

544
00:26:07,670 --> 00:26:10,149
S5: past any gyms. If he sees one, he steps in,

545
00:26:10,150 --> 00:26:13,910
S5: rips off a few repetitions and moves on. But you

546
00:26:13,910 --> 00:26:17,230
S5: know that physical body. Paul says it's of some value,

547
00:26:17,230 --> 00:26:20,590
S5: but the spiritual much. Let's go back to the beginning.

548
00:26:20,590 --> 00:26:23,030
S5: How did God call you out of darkness and into

549
00:26:23,030 --> 00:26:23,910
S5: the light, my man?

550
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:27,990
S9: Oh yeah. Man, I actually, uh, I found Christ in

551
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:31,950
S9: a jail cell facing five years for assault and kidnapping

552
00:26:31,950 --> 00:26:35,390
S9: and some other violent crimes. And, um. Yeah, somebody gave

553
00:26:35,390 --> 00:26:38,429
S9: me a Bible. 24 years old, started reading the Bible

554
00:26:38,430 --> 00:26:41,270
S9: in jail, waiting to go to trial. Realized how wicked

555
00:26:41,270 --> 00:26:43,830
S9: I was while I was reading the Bible. Prayed that

556
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:46,189
S9: one night and said, hey, if you real. If you're real,

557
00:26:46,190 --> 00:26:47,830
S9: you get me out of jail. I'll serve you the

558
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:50,750
S9: rest of my life. Two weeks later, went to trial.

559
00:26:50,790 --> 00:26:54,750
S9: The video, uh, evidence got damaged, and, um, they had

560
00:26:54,750 --> 00:26:56,590
S9: to drop the charges, and I went home that day.

561
00:26:57,150 --> 00:27:01,550
S5: Oh my goodness. So you struck a deal with God,

562
00:27:01,710 --> 00:27:05,230
S5: and you really were convicted by the Spirit of God?

563
00:27:05,270 --> 00:27:08,270
S5: I mean, it's we're big on this one here, pastor.

564
00:27:08,550 --> 00:27:12,310
S5: The the need for us to not just become, uh,

565
00:27:12,350 --> 00:27:16,350
S5: grafted into churchianity, but to face who we are apart

566
00:27:16,350 --> 00:27:19,229
S5: from God, repent of that in turn, and go a

567
00:27:19,230 --> 00:27:22,470
S5: whole new way. That's real salvation. Talk to us about

568
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:24,830
S5: what God did in those early days when you were

569
00:27:24,830 --> 00:27:26,430
S5: a young child of God.

570
00:27:26,790 --> 00:27:29,630
S9: Yeah, I mean, he really grabbed hold of my heart. Obviously,

571
00:27:29,630 --> 00:27:31,709
S9: I made a deal with him. Um, but, you know,

572
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:34,430
S9: I went home and didn't even think about the deal.

573
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:37,590
S9: And I was actually smoking, getting high, and I heard

574
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:39,790
S9: his voice for the first time. He said, I thought

575
00:27:39,790 --> 00:27:41,470
S9: you told me if I got you out, you was

576
00:27:41,470 --> 00:27:45,030
S9: giving this up. And, um, I remember after that, man,

577
00:27:45,030 --> 00:27:49,070
S9: I stopped smoking. That's February 26th, 2010. I started going

578
00:27:49,109 --> 00:27:51,790
S9: to church that next Sunday, kind of getting isolation a

579
00:27:51,790 --> 00:27:53,750
S9: little bit to kind of walk away from everything. And

580
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:55,869
S9: so during that time, all I did was go to

581
00:27:55,910 --> 00:27:57,989
S9: Bible study and read the Bible every day. And the

582
00:27:57,990 --> 00:28:00,310
S9: more I read his word, the more I beheld his face.

583
00:28:00,310 --> 00:28:02,190
S9: The more I fell in love with him, the more

584
00:28:02,190 --> 00:28:04,909
S9: I seen the power of His Spirit working in me.

585
00:28:05,109 --> 00:28:07,270
S9: And the more I just kept wanting to look like

586
00:28:07,270 --> 00:28:10,190
S9: him and be conformed into his image. And so, yeah,

587
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:12,710
S9: just kept just kept studying him, kept falling in love

588
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:14,590
S9: with him. And he kept he kept pruning me, kept

589
00:28:14,590 --> 00:28:15,270
S9: growing me.

590
00:28:15,310 --> 00:28:18,590
S3: We talk a lot on our show about discipleship. What

591
00:28:18,590 --> 00:28:20,830
S3: did that look like for you? Who did you have

592
00:28:20,830 --> 00:28:25,110
S3: to walk alongside of you to as you really started

593
00:28:25,109 --> 00:28:27,310
S3: to embrace your new life in Christ?

594
00:28:27,670 --> 00:28:31,629
S9: Yeah. So a guy named Cliff Watson, man, he also,

595
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:33,389
S9: you know, he'd been walking with the Lord for 20

596
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:35,270
S9: plus years, but he got saved out of the streets

597
00:28:35,270 --> 00:28:37,190
S9: and he met me, and he was like, hey, I'm

598
00:28:37,230 --> 00:28:39,950
S9: going to walk with you. And so literally, uh, I

599
00:28:39,950 --> 00:28:41,790
S9: was at his house seven days a week. I was

600
00:28:41,790 --> 00:28:43,950
S9: at his house 3 or 4 of those days. Um,

601
00:28:43,950 --> 00:28:46,350
S9: and he would just. He did. He taught me construction

602
00:28:46,350 --> 00:28:49,710
S9: while he discipled me. Um, man, he challenged me on

603
00:28:49,710 --> 00:28:51,950
S9: some real hard challenges. Things I didn't want to do.

604
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:54,590
S9: He challenged me to do it. He. He loved me.

605
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:57,190
S9: He invited me into his family. And so, yeah, I

606
00:28:57,230 --> 00:28:59,750
S9: just spent I spent a lot of time with him,

607
00:28:59,750 --> 00:29:03,430
S9: and we just talked the word practical application. Um, and then,

608
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:06,469
S9: you know, other realistic things, like practically like helping me

609
00:29:06,510 --> 00:29:08,830
S9: financially because I couldn't sell drugs no more. And so

610
00:29:08,830 --> 00:29:10,430
S9: he was making sure I didn't go back to the

611
00:29:10,430 --> 00:29:12,670
S9: streets so he would make things like that. But yeah,

612
00:29:12,670 --> 00:29:15,310
S9: it just looked like spending a lot of time with me.

613
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:18,430
S5: That is so cool. Pastor Leonard, thanks. Is our guest

614
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:22,550
S5: right now. Leonard. Thanks, junior. I want to camp on

615
00:29:22,550 --> 00:29:26,590
S5: this disciple making because. Oh my goodness, has he hit

616
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:28,990
S5: a sweet spot with us here, guys, on this? Oh,

617
00:29:29,070 --> 00:29:32,430
S5: we're after it. I gotta tell you, pastor, we've been

618
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:36,670
S5: after it here nationally for a long time. But disciples

619
00:29:36,670 --> 00:29:40,550
S5: making disciples. It is so easy to get sucked into

620
00:29:40,590 --> 00:29:44,030
S5: counting noses and nickels. But when our when our objective

621
00:29:44,030 --> 00:29:48,470
S5: is to make disciples of all nations, baptizing them, teaching

622
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:52,630
S5: them to observe everything commanded, that's the joy of ministry,

623
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:54,590
S5: isn't it? Pour out your heart on this one. Why

624
00:29:54,590 --> 00:29:55,910
S5: is that so important to you?

625
00:29:56,550 --> 00:29:58,830
S9: Oh, man, I was I was a product of discipleship.

626
00:29:58,830 --> 00:30:00,790
S9: So one of the things that we did as we

627
00:30:00,790 --> 00:30:03,710
S9: planted our church, we didn't do none of the sexy stuff, man.

628
00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:07,230
S9: Our motto for church plant was disciple making. That's my thing, man.

629
00:30:07,270 --> 00:30:10,830
S9: I disciple over 18 men every year, 18 different men

630
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:13,510
S9: I walk with in our city. I teach quarterly disciple

631
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:15,670
S9: making boot camps to people in the city to learn

632
00:30:15,670 --> 00:30:18,350
S9: the tools to be equipped to make disciples. I help

633
00:30:18,390 --> 00:30:22,390
S9: train church leaders to disciple making cultures within their churches.

634
00:30:22,710 --> 00:30:26,990
S9: Disciple making is the thing that I focus on, and

635
00:30:27,030 --> 00:30:29,790
S9: even at the Moody conference, I'll be hitting on that

636
00:30:29,790 --> 00:30:31,950
S9: a little bit. It's the heartbeat. And because I'm a

637
00:30:31,950 --> 00:30:34,230
S9: product of it, I believe in it. I know that

638
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:37,430
S9: God don't take a guy that was into drugs and crime.

639
00:30:37,470 --> 00:30:40,150
S9: I had three felonies before I was 16 years old. Um,

640
00:30:40,190 --> 00:30:42,470
S9: you don't take a guy and do what he did

641
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:45,910
S9: in my life without somebody walking alongside of me and

642
00:30:45,910 --> 00:30:48,270
S9: really showing me what it looks like to walk like Christ.

643
00:30:48,270 --> 00:30:50,990
S9: And so I'm a firm believer that while we can

644
00:30:51,150 --> 00:30:54,910
S9: go from information to implementation, it's a lot less bruises.

645
00:30:54,910 --> 00:30:56,950
S9: If you go by way of imitation first and then

646
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:59,750
S9: allow the Holy Spirit. And an example, uh, to help

647
00:30:59,790 --> 00:31:01,750
S9: us learn how to live this walk out. So yeah,

648
00:31:01,750 --> 00:31:04,310
S9: that's my burden. That's my passion. That's the thing I

649
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:05,150
S9: stress hard.

650
00:31:05,470 --> 00:31:08,270
S5: Okay? You don't know how this is resonating in our

651
00:31:08,270 --> 00:31:10,750
S5: hearts right now. You don't even know. He doesn't even

652
00:31:10,750 --> 00:31:12,350
S5: know the full extent of it. Does he team.

653
00:31:12,390 --> 00:31:12,750
S3: Know?

654
00:31:12,990 --> 00:31:16,430
S5: I mean, this is epic. You know, here's our heart

655
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:20,310
S5: on this thing. We've got a challenge in that in

656
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:22,550
S5: the church today. We've got a lot of people that

657
00:31:22,550 --> 00:31:25,469
S5: are going to church. But being the church is all

658
00:31:25,470 --> 00:31:30,750
S5: about disciples making disciples. Second Timothy two two. Man, I

659
00:31:30,790 --> 00:31:34,830
S5: mean for generations, right there in one verse. You know,

660
00:31:34,830 --> 00:31:37,150
S5: I was talking to a friend of ours, David Nelms,

661
00:31:37,150 --> 00:31:41,350
S5: who runs T. It's his discipleship network all across really

662
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:44,510
S5: tough areas in the world. 1040 window. He said the

663
00:31:44,510 --> 00:31:49,030
S5: one thing that sets disciple making from church attending apart

664
00:31:49,070 --> 00:31:52,990
S5: is obedience to the Word of God. People read it

665
00:31:52,990 --> 00:31:55,390
S5: and then obey it. Jesus said, that's how you get

666
00:31:55,390 --> 00:31:58,270
S5: a life built on the rock. Pour out your heart

667
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S5: a little bit more. What's God showing you about this?

668
00:32:00,710 --> 00:32:02,950
S5: I mean, you got to go with the goers, people

669
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S5: that are ready to do that, right, pastor?

670
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S9: Yeah, yeah. I mean, so the kind of the heartbeat

671
00:32:09,030 --> 00:32:12,430
S9: that God has been doing in my heart is, um. Yeah,

672
00:32:12,510 --> 00:32:15,310
S9: really grabbing hold of, you know, guys, I got a

673
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S9: whole process. I teach people, like how to identify people

674
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S9: who are ready. Mike Berean, uh, and building the disciple

675
00:32:21,710 --> 00:32:25,910
S9: making culture talks about needing both high invitation and high challenge.

676
00:32:25,910 --> 00:32:28,750
S9: When you see Jesus give invite people into his life.

677
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:31,390
S9: But that invitation came with a high challenge. And who

678
00:32:31,390 --> 00:32:34,390
S9: was willing and ready to accept that challenge? To know

679
00:32:34,390 --> 00:32:37,910
S9: that we're not just on a journey to talk about Jesus,

680
00:32:37,910 --> 00:32:40,830
S9: to say we're Christian, but at the fruit of Christianity,

681
00:32:40,830 --> 00:32:43,830
S9: as you just said, is that we are accepting the

682
00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:47,310
S9: challenge to die. We're accepting the challenge to have our

683
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S9: hearts and our minds and our bodies bore before Christ,

684
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S9: and to be conformed into whatever it is that he

685
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S9: wants us to do, and that we are basically accepting

686
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S9: the challenge to stay on this hamster wheel of pruning,

687
00:32:58,270 --> 00:33:00,870
S9: where it's a never ending cycle, that even when I

688
00:33:00,910 --> 00:33:04,310
S9: think I have grown, I lay back on the altar

689
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S9: to say, keep cutting, keep, keep conforming, and until I

690
00:33:07,470 --> 00:33:11,030
S9: can look into the mirror. Or as first John three

691
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S9: two says, we don't know what we will be like,

692
00:33:12,510 --> 00:33:13,990
S9: but we know that when we see him, we should

693
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:16,670
S9: be as he is. And everybody who longs for that

694
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S9: purifies himself. So until I'm looking in the face of

695
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S9: my Savior, I know that my work is not done.

696
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S9: And so I continue to let the altar to say, Lord,

697
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S9: whatever it is that you're calling from me or calling

698
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S9: me to, I'm willing to do it. And so how

699
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S9: do I teach people to love that process and to

700
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S9: embrace that process by way of invitation and challenge?

701
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S3: Leonard tanks, junior pastor, tanks is with us this morning.

702
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S3: Coming up, he is going to be one of the

703
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S3: keynote speakers at the walk worthy conference that is coming up.

704
00:33:45,790 --> 00:33:47,590
S3: And you get to be a part of this no

705
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:49,670
S3: matter where you live. If you're in the Cleveland area,

706
00:33:49,710 --> 00:33:53,030
S3: you can attend in person, but you can attend via

707
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S3: live stream and hear more of this kind of teaching

708
00:33:55,470 --> 00:33:58,190
S3: and meet with other like minded men. We'll tell you

709
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S3: more about it coming up.

710
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S1: She was trying to earn her way to God. But

711
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S1: God showed her she didn't have to. Ali is in

712
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S1: the crew. It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.

713
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S3: Well, if you want to gather with hundreds of godly

714
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S3: men for a conference, that's going to strengthen your resolve

715
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S3: to walk worthy of your calling. Boy, do we have

716
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S3: an opportunity for you. And we've got one of the

717
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S3: guest speakers with us right now. Leonard. Thanks, junior. He

718
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S3: is a pastor out of the Cleveland area at Reach

719
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S3: City Church. You know, the opportunity for men to gather.

720
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S3: It doesn't come as naturally sometimes as women. I think

721
00:34:33,710 --> 00:34:37,549
S3: women gather more naturally. But men. Boy, oh, boy, do

722
00:34:37,550 --> 00:34:39,790
S3: you guys need each other. I'm going to step out

723
00:34:39,790 --> 00:34:41,750
S3: and let you and Carl talk about that.

724
00:34:41,910 --> 00:34:44,669
S5: We need each other, pastor. Tanks. It's true, isn't it?

725
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S9: Absolutely, absolutely. We definitely need each other. I mean, so, um,

726
00:34:48,630 --> 00:34:51,510
S9: one of my big things that our elders, our church, know,

727
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:53,830
S9: is like, I'm like, man, I love our ladies and

728
00:34:53,830 --> 00:34:55,989
S9: we want to see our ladies in the kingdom. But

729
00:34:55,989 --> 00:34:58,910
S9: my big push is, man, we got to go after men.

730
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S9: And so we walk the streets doing prayer walks, only

731
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S9: talking to men and really trying to show men what

732
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S9: it looks like to have a community around them and

733
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S9: to know, um, that they can be loved on. And

734
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S9: so I think men being equipped, men growing. Um, I

735
00:35:13,070 --> 00:35:15,750
S9: tell our guys all the time, our ladies can't go

736
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:18,069
S9: get our men, right. The men have to go get

737
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S9: our men. And so we have to learn to be leaders.

738
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S9: We have to learn to be bold. We have to

739
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,440
S9: learn to lead with our lives, lead with our actions,

740
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S9: lead with evangelism and disciple making and all of those things.

741
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S9: And so I'm super excited anytime I can get in

742
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,640
S9: a room and see a bunch of men present and

743
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,680
S9: willing saying, hey, I just want to grow. I want

744
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,640
S9: to learn, um, and be quick to go do what

745
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,160
S9: it is that God has called us to do.

746
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,440
S5: How fundamental. And probably setting you up with the T

747
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,600
S5: ball here, but I'm going to let you crush it.

748
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,880
S5: How fundamental is humility, as Andrew Murray calls it, the

749
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,839
S5: one virtue that gives birth to every virtue. There comes

750
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,960
S5: a point in time for any man when we got

751
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,080
S5: to come to the end of ourself, and when God

752
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S5: catches them there. That's beautiful, isn't it, pastor?

753
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,560
S9: Yeah, absolutely. Um, I think as men, it's easy to

754
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,600
S9: think that we don't even need anyone or to think

755
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,520
S9: that we got it on our own. And we're strong

756
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,279
S9: in our in our own strength. And I think that

757
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S9: men when we when when we as men embrace this

758
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S9: concept of humility, this concept of of being like a

759
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S9: little child. Um, it unlocks something that can seem a

760
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,799
S9: little weak at first, but that the outcomes of it

761
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,839
S9: later becomes, um, astronomical. I remember my discipler, um, me

762
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,000
S9: wanting to go fight somebody. I'm at his house, and

763
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,200
S9: I learned somebody stole something, and I found out who

764
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S9: it was, and I'm like, I'm about to go get him.

765
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S9: And he stood in front of the door and he said,

766
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S9: you're gonna have to. You're gonna have to fight me

767
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S9: if you want to fight him. And I'm like, I

768
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,160
S9: ain't about to be no punk. Boom boom boom. And

769
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,920
S9: I was in tears, crying because I felt like I

770
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,319
S9: was being weak by not going to handle this situation. Um,

771
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,359
S9: and I still remember that to this day, because that

772
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S9: was a pivotal moment of me choosing to submit to

773
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S9: a man and his leadership and his wisdom. And that was,

774
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S9: and I believe that if I would have went out

775
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S9: that door that day, I would have went back into

776
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,719
S9: everything that I was doing. But because I allowed myself

777
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,279
S9: to be humble and to submit to another man and

778
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,880
S9: to allow a man to lead, that, it began to

779
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,759
S9: help me move forward. And I think that also is

780
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,799
S9: how it looks in our ability to trust God as

781
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,120
S9: a man, as a father, to humble ourselves and allow

782
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,839
S9: him to lead our lives, and to be able to

783
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,200
S9: see what happens when we get off the steering wheel

784
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,560
S9: and acknowledge that we are weak and we need him.

785
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:28,960
S9: So that's my thoughts on it.

786
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,239
S5: I gotta tell you, pastor, I don't know where you've

787
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,359
S5: been my whole life, but I feel like I have

788
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,879
S5: found my brother from another mom and I mean that

789
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,600
S5: from the bottom of my heart, bro. This is so rich. What?

790
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,480
S5: What keeps that? Yeah. It's so cool, Leonard. I mean,

791
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,560
S5: it's so awesome hearing you just. I mean, half the

792
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,480
S5: stuff you're saying, I feel like. Oh, you know what

793
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:50,040
S5: I'm saying?

794
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:51,040
S3: Oh, yeah.

795
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,960
S5: Oh, it's like, what in the world? What keeps men

796
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,920
S5: from getting on the path to discipleship? What prevents them?

797
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,160
S5: You're talking to tens of thousands of men right now.

798
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:02,640
S5: What keeps them stuck?

799
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,320
S9: Uh, honestly, I tell our guys all the time it's pride.

800
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,600
S9: It's the idea of, again, not feeling like I don't

801
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,640
S9: want a man telling me what to do. Sometimes discipleship

802
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,960
S9: looks like somebody's got to tell me what to do.

803
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,440
S9: And as men, sometimes we just, you know, when we

804
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:19,799
S9: want to do what we want to do. You want

805
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,359
S9: another man telling you, hey, man, don't don't go over

806
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,960
S9: that girl house like, hey, you gotta stop that gambling. Hey, man,

807
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:26,520
S9: you gotta stop. You can't be going out to these

808
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,520
S9: clubs drinking. You can't be, you know? Hey, you gotta

809
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,799
S9: love your wife better, right? That that as a man

810
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,000
S9: is like. Yo, who you talking to? Um. And I

811
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,640
S9: think that arrogance and that pride is a big thing

812
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,319
S9: that keeps men from choosing to submit to another man.

813
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,319
S9: And it's a very interesting dynamic. We ain't got no

814
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,800
S9: time to talk about it now. But you'll see, even

815
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,319
S9: in a lot of contexts, at least in my context,

816
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,160
S9: men will submit to women leadership a lot more quicker

817
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,360
S9: than they would even submit to a male leadership because

818
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,040
S9: of that, that pride and that arrogance. And sometimes it

819
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,120
S9: deals with the fact that a lot of single mom,

820
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,000
S9: single mom households or men have been, in my context,

821
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,879
S9: has been used to submitting to women leadership their whole life.

822
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,520
S9: So it's different when a man comes around. But yeah,

823
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,120
S9: but I would say pride and arrogance.

824
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S5: Pastor, this has been epic. Give us a sneak peak.

825
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,880
S5: What are you going to be dishing up at Walk Worthy?

826
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,760
S9: Yeah. So actually, uh, it's going to be about discipleship. Uh, so,

827
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,120
S9: you know, I'm going to be doing a contemporary look

828
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,400
S9: at the book of Haggai, um, and Haggai and God's

829
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,640
S9: complaint against the people of Israel, focusing on their self-interest

830
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,480
S9: over building his temple and doing a contemporary look at

831
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,279
S9: we are now the temple, and that the building of

832
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,799
S9: this temple is the establishment of his house, and that

833
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,399
S9: God's complaint against us. It's the same thing that we're

834
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,759
S9: more focused on our own lives instead of building his

835
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,839
S9: kingdom and his house. And so it's about discipleship. I'm

836
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,000
S9: going to be telling the people exactly what you just

837
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,600
S9: said walking worthy. It's not just about walking ethically, but

838
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,280
S9: it's also about walking missionally. And if we can't just

839
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,680
S9: have good conduct, but ignore the mission of God and

840
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,520
S9: say that we're walking worthy as men of God.

841
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S5: Holy smokes.

842
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S3: You want the details? This is a one day power

843
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,279
S3: packed men's conference walk worthy. It's in Akron, Ohio. I

844
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,440
S3: would invite you to get there if you are local

845
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,000
S3: and you can get there in person. You can also

846
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,319
S3: participate via live stream. Just text the word walk to

847
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:16,640
S3: 800 555 7898. Text walk to 805, five, five, 7898

848
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,080
S3: and make sure that you click on that link, because

849
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,480
S3: if you want to participate the live stream, we actually

850
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,520
S3: have some tickets to give away so that you can

851
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,160
S3: participate virtually. So make sure that you click on that

852
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,239
S3: link and enter to try to win. Before you buy

853
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,760
S3: the tickets, just text walk to 800 555 7898.

854
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S1: Get to know the team behind the scenes. Follow Carl

855
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,280
S1: and crew on Facebook and Instagram.

856
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,280
S5: Pray in the spirit on all occasions. With this in mind,

857
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,520
S5: be alert and always keep on praying for all the

858
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:52,640
S5: Lord's people. Ephesians 618 I urge you then first of all,

859
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:57,040
S5: that petitions, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgiving be made for all people.

860
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:05,600
S5: First Thessalonians 525 brothers and sisters, pray for us. I

861
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,480
S5: thank God. Philippians one three through four every time I

862
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,160
S5: remember you in all my prayers for all of you,

863
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,200
S5: I always pray with joy. What? Ah, man. It goes

864
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,879
S5: over and over and over in Scripture. We don't do

865
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,640
S5: this often here because, um, I think that those, those

866
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,160
S5: verses are best applied in the local church, for sure.

867
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,520
S5: And we're coming alongside the church. But from time to

868
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,319
S5: time we say, let's go. So tee it up right

869
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,799
S5: now in 3 or 4. Max five words. What do

870
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,720
S5: you need prayer for? We're going to cover as many

871
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,200
S5: of these themes as possible. We won't be able to

872
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:42,440
S5: get every one perfectly read at all, but we're going

873
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,120
S5: to do the best we can to lift you up

874
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:52,160
S5: in prayer. 805 55 7898 800 555 7898 and at

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S5: the end of this segment, we've got a request of

876
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S5: how you can pray for us. It goes two ways,

877
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S5: doesn't it guys?

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00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,080
S2: Oh, absolutely. Yes, prayer is great when we're all praying

879
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:01,840
S2: for each other.

880
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:02,400
S5: Hang on.

881
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,880
S1: Breaking chains and running free. You're listening to Carl and crew.

882
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,360
S5: We're praying for you here. And we're getting crushed with requests.

883
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,479
S5: And this is awesome. And God sees and we're going

884
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,640
S5: to we're going to actually pray through. With our eyes

885
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,879
S5: open as we go through this board. And we're going

886
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,120
S5: to give it a good shot here. But oh man,

887
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:26,439
S5: what a beautiful thing. 800 555 7898 we'll get as

888
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,080
S5: many of these things covered as possible. We're called to

889
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,920
S5: pray for one another. We don't do this all the time.

890
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,720
S5: Oh my word. We've got so many here. Ali. Yeah?

891
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,399
S5: Why don't you jump in, sister? And then I'll. When

892
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,839
S5: you when you feel like, uh, you're, you've got what

893
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,359
S5: you've Lord's laid on your heart. I'll pick up some

894
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:44,520
S5: and I'll wrap it up. Okay?

895
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:45,080
S3: Okay.

896
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:45,680
S5: All right.

897
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,360
S3: Lord, we thank you for the privilege of being able

898
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,440
S3: to come to you boldly. Yes. To ask for grace

899
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,520
S3: and mercy in our time of need. God, you are

900
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,520
S3: our help. And so, Lord, I just bring before you

901
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,880
S3: so many different health needs that have been brought before us. God,

902
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,279
S3: there's a need for healing, for high blood pressure, and

903
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,600
S3: for other kind of troubling symptoms. Lord, there's financial needs.

904
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,720
S3: Got a need for reconciliation between loved ones, Lord. There's

905
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:19,120
S3: a need for someone who is struggling with anger. God.

906
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,880
S3: Someone who needs wisdom for the sale of a property. Lord.

907
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,040
S3: For decisions that need to be made. God, I pray

908
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,520
S3: that you would lead by your spirit, God, for financial strain. Lord, where?

909
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,439
S3: Where there's need and there's a feeling of lack. God,

910
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,279
S3: I pray that you would provide. God, I pray for

911
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,520
S3: this very, very sweet prayer request that simply says that

912
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,680
S3: I be pure in heart. God, thank you that by

913
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,920
S3: the power of your blood, Lord, we are made new

914
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,080
S3: when we turn to you. God, when we confess our sins, God,

915
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,120
S3: we receive healing and forgiveness. God, I thank you, Lord,

916
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:56,120
S3: for the person who is requesting Lord, wisdom and boldness.

917
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,239
S3: Lord Jesus, I pray that you would. Oh, that's a

918
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,560
S3: prayer that you delight to answer. Yeah, God, I pray

919
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,160
S3: for physical healing. Lord, for someone who is trapped in

920
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:08,320
S3: a domestic violence situation. Lord. Uh, for pain in the body. God. Uh, Lord,

921
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,209
S3: for this prayer request for spiritual laziness. God, I pray

922
00:44:12,210 --> 00:44:14,930
S3: that you would stir up the gifts in that person, God,

923
00:44:14,930 --> 00:44:17,570
S3: that you would bring a fresh zeal and a wisdom.

924
00:44:18,090 --> 00:44:22,050
S5: Yeah, God, we got someone here that wants a husband

925
00:44:22,050 --> 00:44:26,129
S5: to be saved. Oh, hear her heart, Lord. We've got

926
00:44:26,210 --> 00:44:31,050
S5: healing for family members. We've got someone struggling with loneliness here, Lord.

927
00:44:31,090 --> 00:44:37,049
S5: Be near to them. Who? We've got someone who's just

928
00:44:37,050 --> 00:44:39,770
S5: praying for the lost in general. What a sweet thing

929
00:44:39,770 --> 00:44:43,969
S5: that is. Lord, that's your heart. We got prayers for

930
00:44:43,969 --> 00:44:48,489
S5: daughters and sons right here. And another husband's salvation and

931
00:44:48,489 --> 00:44:52,210
S5: a marriage that's in bad shape right now. Family business

932
00:44:52,250 --> 00:44:58,649
S5: needs help. Financial strain. Got alcohol addiction. Lord, these are

933
00:44:58,650 --> 00:45:02,169
S5: real things. These are people crying out to you and God.

934
00:45:02,170 --> 00:45:05,049
S5: I'm so grateful that they're that they're laying it on

935
00:45:05,050 --> 00:45:07,650
S5: the line here. That's that's the first step, isn't it?

936
00:45:07,730 --> 00:45:10,529
S5: God just seeing their need and then coming to you

937
00:45:10,570 --> 00:45:15,370
S5: saying we need help. Lord. Divorce, healing for a sister,

938
00:45:16,450 --> 00:45:25,170
S5: an ex-husband's soul, reconciliation with kids. Wow. Somebody's got a

939
00:45:25,170 --> 00:45:30,489
S5: hoarding problem. Someone's got a laziness problem. And that's a

940
00:45:30,489 --> 00:45:37,170
S5: vulnerable thing. Pain relief, restoration of a marriage, unbelieving son,

941
00:45:37,810 --> 00:45:42,170
S5: sick mom and dad, prodigals everywhere here. God, we've got

942
00:45:42,170 --> 00:45:45,129
S5: a lot of that. And what a sweet thing that

943
00:45:45,130 --> 00:45:47,690
S5: we get to come to you and all these and

944
00:45:47,690 --> 00:45:50,290
S5: so many more that we didn't even mention. But you

945
00:45:50,290 --> 00:45:53,650
S5: see them. You hold them as bulls in your presence,

946
00:45:53,650 --> 00:45:58,290
S5: and that's awesome. And Lord, we just come to you

947
00:45:58,290 --> 00:46:02,690
S5: and we say, you are rich in mercy. You are good. Uh,

948
00:46:02,730 --> 00:46:07,090
S5: you have laid before us an opportunity and in your

949
00:46:07,090 --> 00:46:09,810
S5: willingness to hear our prayers and move God. We ask

950
00:46:09,810 --> 00:46:12,489
S5: you to do it. Ask you to do it in

951
00:46:12,489 --> 00:46:14,650
S5: the name of Jesus. Amen.

952
00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:15,170
S3: Amen.

953
00:46:15,170 --> 00:46:19,170
S5: And let it be. Wow. Two things hit me. A

954
00:46:19,210 --> 00:46:21,410
S5: lot of pain, a lot of concern. All. All that

955
00:46:21,410 --> 00:46:26,490
S5: trials galore. But an all knowing mighty God who is

956
00:46:27,690 --> 00:46:29,930
S5: his arm is not too short and he is willing

957
00:46:29,969 --> 00:46:32,529
S5: to move. It's a beautiful thing. I want you to

958
00:46:32,530 --> 00:46:34,810
S5: live with your head on a swivel. Those of you

959
00:46:35,290 --> 00:46:37,450
S5: that we're praying for you and you put these out

960
00:46:37,450 --> 00:46:39,529
S5: there before the Lord, just live with your head on

961
00:46:39,530 --> 00:46:43,650
S5: a swivel. Because when we pray, God goes to work.

962
00:46:43,650 --> 00:46:46,169
S5: And we can be confident in that. So look around

963
00:46:46,170 --> 00:46:48,089
S5: when I say, live with your head on a swivel.

964
00:46:48,090 --> 00:46:54,330
S5: Anticipate oh my goodness. Not not demand, but anticipate that

965
00:46:54,330 --> 00:46:57,450
S5: God is working in some way. And look and watch

966
00:46:57,450 --> 00:47:00,210
S5: and be in awe of of watching him move. We're

967
00:47:00,210 --> 00:47:03,050
S5: going to see answers to these prayers today. We will

968
00:47:03,050 --> 00:47:06,090
S5: see that maybe in a month, maybe in a year,

969
00:47:07,090 --> 00:47:10,970
S5: maybe like George Mueller. After you've gone home, your wayward

970
00:47:10,969 --> 00:47:16,250
S5: kid will come home. It's okay. God is able. Well,

971
00:47:16,250 --> 00:47:18,650
S5: we want to give you a request that we have.

972
00:47:19,489 --> 00:47:23,170
S5: That's what's cool about prayer. And we really mean this.

973
00:47:23,450 --> 00:47:29,649
S5: I let me back away from any kind of pseudo

974
00:47:29,650 --> 00:47:33,370
S5: scripted thoughts in my brain and just cut it to you. Honestly,

975
00:47:33,370 --> 00:47:36,049
S5: we got a whopper job of a deal going here

976
00:47:36,050 --> 00:47:41,009
S5: in two weeks. We're raising, like, 4 million bucks. And

977
00:47:41,010 --> 00:47:44,650
S5: here's the truth. We're listener supported. We can't do it

978
00:47:44,650 --> 00:47:49,130
S5: without you. You've heard that umpteen times. We aren't raising

979
00:47:49,130 --> 00:47:53,210
S5: money and trying to hit a budget. We're reaching people.

980
00:47:53,690 --> 00:47:58,089
S5: So here's the thing. Even me, Mr. Optimist, I look

981
00:47:58,090 --> 00:48:01,050
S5: at this number every every spring share. Every fall share.

982
00:48:01,050 --> 00:48:05,049
S5: And I'm like, oh. How in the world is this

983
00:48:05,090 --> 00:48:05,810
S5: gonna happen?

984
00:48:06,530 --> 00:48:08,050
S3: It always feels really big.

985
00:48:08,090 --> 00:48:12,049
S5: It's big. And so we've been recruiting prayers for a

986
00:48:12,050 --> 00:48:14,370
S5: long time, and I'm asking you to hit the front lines.

987
00:48:14,370 --> 00:48:17,370
S5: We've got a couple of prayers of specificity this year

988
00:48:17,370 --> 00:48:20,049
S5: that we're going to bring. But I'm asking you to

989
00:48:20,090 --> 00:48:21,930
S5: grab a half an hour. In fact, fill in more

990
00:48:21,930 --> 00:48:22,529
S5: details here.

991
00:48:22,930 --> 00:48:25,030
S3: Yeah. We're asking you to sign up for a 30

992
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:28,570
S3: minute time slot. We've got ten slots per half hour,

993
00:48:28,570 --> 00:48:30,890
S3: so ten people across the country will be praying at

994
00:48:30,890 --> 00:48:33,210
S3: the same time. And then that next half hour starts

995
00:48:33,210 --> 00:48:35,410
S3: and the baton gets handed off to someone else. So

996
00:48:35,410 --> 00:48:38,290
S3: you can pray wherever you are in the country, whether

997
00:48:38,290 --> 00:48:40,810
S3: you are in your home, your car, a walk and

998
00:48:40,810 --> 00:48:43,810
S3: we'll send you details on what to pray for. I

999
00:48:43,810 --> 00:48:45,969
S3: know that really helps. Just text crew will get you

1000
00:48:46,010 --> 00:48:48,770
S3: signed up. That's your first step. C r e w

1001
00:48:48,810 --> 00:48:56,089
S3: crew two 800 555 7898. Text crew to 800 555

1002
00:48:56,130 --> 00:49:00,330
S3: 7898 I want to say thank you for praying for us.

1003
00:49:00,370 --> 00:49:03,489
S5: Yeah, we've already got over 400 in 1 day. 200

1004
00:49:03,489 --> 00:49:03,970
S5: to go.