WEBVTT - Staying Anchored in Christ 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:04.360 Coming to you from the Morning Star Mission sponsored studio. 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:08.080 This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio. 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:11.780 Commercial fishing in Alaska. Let me take you there. 32 0:00:11.780 --> 0:00:15.680 foot drift boat in on the west coast of Alaska. It's. 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:17.400 It's kind of the Bering Sea, but it's a little 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:20.040 more sheltered. We're in an area called Bristol Bay. You 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:24.000 would anchor up on closures and get sleep because when 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:28.360 the fishing season was open, we called them periods. So 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:31.360 periods would open, a fishing period would open. It's a 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:33.120 period of time to throw your nets in the water, 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:35.120 and then it would shut down because of game and 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:38.040 fish to allow escapement. So salmon to go up the 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:40.960 rivers so that they can reproduce and the whole thing. 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:45.919 But when you'd get a closure, wow, you're zonked out. 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:48.880 So you'd put out an anchor. We had great anchors. 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:52.280 The brand name is Danforth. Put out a Danforth anchor, 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:54.040 and these things can grip the bottom of the ocean 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:57.959 like you can't imagine. But they aren't perfect, and they 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:02.180 can slip at times we're snoozing. One day we're down 0:01:02.180 --> 0:01:05.500 in the Ugashik district of Bristol Bay and just snoozing. 0:01:05.500 --> 0:01:07.119 I don't know how long we were out. 2 or 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:10.700 3 hours. Nobody felt the anchor slipping because you can 0:01:10.740 --> 0:01:15.459 sometimes feel it a little bit. And all we know 0:01:15.459 --> 0:01:19.420 is why we take a break or over the stern. 0:01:19.420 --> 0:01:22.139 So we had drifted so far that we drifted out 0:01:22.140 --> 0:01:25.500 into a set of breakers out in the bay, where 0:01:25.620 --> 0:01:26.860 it's really dangerous. 0:01:26.860 --> 0:01:28.780 Waters, real choppy. Is that what it is? 0:01:28.819 --> 0:01:32.460 Super choppy. I mean, you go from pretty placid to, wow, 0:01:32.620 --> 0:01:36.180 four foot, five foot, six foot breakers coming over the 0:01:36.180 --> 0:01:41.100 stern of the boat. So we got bam, huge breaker. Well, 0:01:41.100 --> 0:01:43.940 everybody's up. I mean, we're in our skivvies and we're 0:01:43.940 --> 0:01:46.940 running around starting up the motor and I'm out on deck. 0:01:46.940 --> 0:01:49.700 I got my, you know, my underwear on, and I'm 0:01:50.580 --> 0:01:54.740 grabbing stuff and yelling at the captain. No joking. Running 0:01:54.740 --> 0:01:55.620 around in our skivvies. 0:01:55.620 --> 0:01:57.020 I mean, you got to do what you got to do. 0:01:57.060 --> 0:01:58.540 45, 50 degrees. 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:01.520 Because this is light. I mean, this could be life threatening, right? 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:02.440 Yeah. 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:04.760 I mean, certainly threaten the the boat, right? 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:06.800 You don't want it to happen because you can bust 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:08.960 your keel on the bottom of the ocean. Because when 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:11.959 you're in breakers, you're in shallow water. So it can 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:14.079 and you can take on too much water. And pretty quick, 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:17.399 you're sinking and your season's done in your skivvies. There 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:21.600 you go. So we we get that thing fired up 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:23.440 and got out of there and tried to get that 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:27.760 thing anchored again. Here's my point. When we get anchored 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:31.880 in our relationship with Christ and we know who we 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:35.040 are in him, it's a powerful thing. And and if 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:38.880 you're truly born again at that moment, there is a 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:42.160 level of identity. You are so anchored in Christ, you're 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:45.120 clinging to him because there's no salvation apart from clinging 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:45.880 to God. Right? 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:46.399 Right. 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:51.440 So you're clinging to him. But whether it's the world, 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:55.079 the flesh, or the devil, we can drift. I mean, 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:57.980 you can be anchored in your identity in Christ today. 0:02:57.980 --> 0:03:01.060 And according to Scripture, you can be drifting tomorrow. Church 0:03:01.100 --> 0:03:04.780 of Laodicea is this. They are us. I'm convinced of this. 0:03:04.780 --> 0:03:08.180 This is a beautiful picture of us. I know your works. 0:03:08.180 --> 0:03:11.940 Jesus says to them in revelation three, you're neither cold 0:03:11.940 --> 0:03:15.340 nor hot. I want you cold or hot. So because 0:03:15.340 --> 0:03:17.780 you're lukewarm, I'll spit you out of my mouth. It 0:03:17.780 --> 0:03:20.460 is not loss of salvation. It's like God saying, let's 0:03:20.460 --> 0:03:23.220 get in, let's get out. That's all he's saying for you. 0:03:23.220 --> 0:03:27.580 Say I'm rich, I have prospered, I need nothing, not 0:03:27.580 --> 0:03:31.300 realizing that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked. 0:03:32.220 --> 0:03:35.700 So here's what they had done. They started anchored in Christ. 0:03:35.740 --> 0:03:38.260 Now they're living in Laodicea. It's a city of commerce. 0:03:38.300 --> 0:03:42.300 Things are going, and they have drifted from being anchored 0:03:42.300 --> 0:03:44.860 in their identity in Christ to starting to get anchored 0:03:44.860 --> 0:03:48.540 in the molek of their day, which was commerce money. 0:03:48.900 --> 0:03:52.660 Can I put it this way, American dream. We all 0:03:52.700 --> 0:03:53.740 together on this one? 0:03:53.940 --> 0:03:55.380 Yeah, it seems pretty familiar. 0:03:55.960 --> 0:04:00.480 Yeah. And it happens. And so the question is what 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:04.360 do we do? How do we get back. Because I 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:08.280 really feel conviction today because listen, no one here is 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:11.920 immune to this except Ali. She's totally immune to drifting spiritually. 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:12.840 I've never seen it. 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:13.600 Oh, boy. 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:15.440 Only Ali doesn't drift. 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:15.840 Yeah. 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:19.039 All the rest of us, we drift. We're drifters. Drifting, 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:22.839 drifting away. We got theme songs for drifting. But Ali, 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:27.000 she's an undefeatable woman of God. I'm joking here, obviously. 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:27.840 Obviously. 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:31.000 But the question is, how do we. How do we 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:34.360 get and stay anchored? I need a short song because 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:36.039 we got a guest coming in here. Who's going to 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:37.360 crush it on it? 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:37.880 Give me two. 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.120 Seconds. I don't need one of these 30 minute features 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:41.080 from LED Zeppelin. 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:43.960 30 minute features. Yeah, I got Freebird in the hopper 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:47.000 right now. I know it's Lynyrd Skynyrd. 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:52.680 Oh, Lynyrd Skynyrd. Sorry about that. Uh, this Cochran and 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.040 company money can't buy. What a great song for this. 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:58.180 But coming up, we got a guy that's all about identity, 0:04:58.180 --> 0:05:01.060 all about identity. And this is what I told him. 0:05:01.060 --> 0:05:03.100 This was last minute. This was last night. I said, Greg, 0:05:03.100 --> 0:05:04.739 I want you to come on here and talk about 0:05:04.740 --> 0:05:07.179 how to keep from drifting. When you're born again, you're 0:05:07.180 --> 0:05:09.820 fairly well anchored in your identity. There's more you got 0:05:09.860 --> 0:05:12.820 to learn. But hold on, hold on. 0:05:13.339 --> 0:05:16.060 You can take him out of Alaska, but you can't 0:05:16.100 --> 0:05:19.980 take Alaska out of him. Carl is in the crew. 0:05:20.180 --> 0:05:22.779 It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio. 0:05:22.900 --> 0:05:27.380 Here's the point. We know when we are radically transformed, 0:05:27.380 --> 0:05:30.860 this born again regenerative process by the Holy Spirit that 0:05:30.860 --> 0:05:32.940 he calls us out of darkness, into the light. We 0:05:32.940 --> 0:05:35.900 know we are sobered up. We know in that moment 0:05:35.900 --> 0:05:39.659 money can't buy that kind of love, that kind of mercy. 0:05:39.940 --> 0:05:41.220 The kind of grace. Right? 0:05:41.260 --> 0:05:41.860 Yes. 0:05:42.100 --> 0:05:45.380 I mean, we're aware it's like, oh, so praise and 0:05:45.380 --> 0:05:48.660 worship comes easier at that point. Now, there's things that 0:05:48.660 --> 0:05:50.940 we got to do to grow and know a lot 0:05:50.980 --> 0:05:54.670 of your overcoming, as we've talked this week, shame and abuse. 0:05:54.710 --> 0:05:56.830 And so you learn more about your identity. But there's 0:05:56.830 --> 0:06:00.390 something about that initial hug that you are anchored in 0:06:00.390 --> 0:06:03.670 Jesus Christ, and then the anchor can drift. Greg Dempster 0:06:03.670 --> 0:06:05.750 with us here. Did you hear my analogy before we 0:06:05.790 --> 0:06:08.390 came on? Leave out the skivvies part, but the analogy 0:06:08.390 --> 0:06:09.790 was good to see you. 0:06:09.950 --> 0:06:12.910 Your analogy was absolutely frightening. I think it's going to 0:06:12.950 --> 0:06:14.390 negatively impact my whole day. 0:06:16.870 --> 0:06:19.870 But isn't it true? Greg, Greg Dempster with us right now, 0:06:19.910 --> 0:06:23.229 Christ's Life Ministries, this guy's really working with leaders all 0:06:23.230 --> 0:06:27.790 across the nation, helping them resecure their identity in Christ. Greg. 0:06:27.830 --> 0:06:30.270 This is a battle. This is not one and done, buddy. 0:06:30.670 --> 0:06:33.590 Here's the deal, man. We all have a sense of 0:06:33.630 --> 0:06:37.110 chasm between what we believe to be true about God 0:06:37.110 --> 0:06:40.510 and what we're experiencing every day, and uncovering why that 0:06:40.510 --> 0:06:43.870 chasm is there is really important for us to not 0:06:43.870 --> 0:06:45.550 continue to drift, as you said. 0:06:45.790 --> 0:06:48.310 Greg Dempster, our guest right now. Tell us your own 0:06:48.310 --> 0:06:51.830 story of when you first realized that this chasm existed 0:06:51.830 --> 0:06:54.610 in your own life. I think it has an Alaska tie. 0:06:54.650 --> 0:06:57.650 If I'm correct, you were in a in a plane 0:06:57.810 --> 0:06:59.570 when you made this realization. 0:06:59.850 --> 0:07:03.690 Ali. Honestly, there had been hundreds of moments where God 0:07:03.850 --> 0:07:06.610 has just opened up my eyes or just revealed a 0:07:06.610 --> 0:07:10.530 blind spot. I think for me it was 22 years 0:07:10.530 --> 0:07:15.490 of full time pastoral ministry and feeling need feeling, a 0:07:15.490 --> 0:07:20.690 need to perform, to secure value and then realizing, hey, 0:07:20.690 --> 0:07:23.970 there's something off here. I would look at ministry opportunities. 0:07:23.970 --> 0:07:26.810 I'd reflect back on them, be buoyed by them, try 0:07:26.850 --> 0:07:30.450 to draw a sense of value from them, realizing I 0:07:30.450 --> 0:07:33.410 was only creating a greater sense of insecurity in my 0:07:33.410 --> 0:07:36.610 own life. And that's when Jesus really began a Romans 0:07:36.610 --> 0:07:42.770 12 two transformation or metamorphosis through the renewal of my mind. 0:07:42.810 --> 0:07:48.650 That's really maybe 22 years of of God speaking, culminating 0:07:48.650 --> 0:07:50.930 in a few moments where I realized, man, there needs 0:07:50.930 --> 0:07:54.590 to be a major 180 in my life, or else 0:07:54.590 --> 0:07:56.670 I'm going to continue to be living the way I am. 0:07:57.070 --> 0:08:01.430 Greg. When we are transformed by God, it is the 0:08:01.430 --> 0:08:05.510 most powerful new experience that we've had in our earthly lives, 0:08:05.510 --> 0:08:09.190 and it's indescribable. And whether or not we fully grasp 0:08:09.190 --> 0:08:11.430 all the truth of our identity in Christ, right there 0:08:11.470 --> 0:08:15.190 or not, there's something incredibly powerful, and there's a lot 0:08:15.190 --> 0:08:18.270 that can drag us away from that. This is why 0:08:18.270 --> 0:08:20.990 we're warned over and over again from the Apostle Paul. 0:08:21.030 --> 0:08:23.270 He was like, what do you say then? And he's 0:08:23.310 --> 0:08:26.790 asking us, going, hey, are you thinking about this? What 0:08:26.790 --> 0:08:30.990 does a person do who finds himself very candidly, let's 0:08:31.030 --> 0:08:34.190 go back to the church of Laodicea with Jesus knocking 0:08:34.190 --> 0:08:37.070 at the door, and he's knocking at the door of saved, 0:08:37.070 --> 0:08:40.590 born again men and women. And he's saying, I want 0:08:40.590 --> 0:08:46.950 back in here, kids. But you've let commerce, fancy footwork platforms, uh, 0:08:46.950 --> 0:08:51.209 being an influencer, all these attempts nudge me out. What 0:08:51.210 --> 0:08:53.930 do we do? How do you first hear the knock 0:08:53.970 --> 0:08:55.530 at the door? And then what do you do to 0:08:55.530 --> 0:08:56.290 open it up? 0:08:56.570 --> 0:08:59.970 I think the most strategic move forward is to focus 0:08:59.970 --> 0:09:03.850 on the root. And the root begins with a God 0:09:03.890 --> 0:09:08.170 filled glimpse of what salvation really is. I mean, Romans 0:09:08.370 --> 0:09:13.410 ten nine unveils it where Jesus, through the apostle says 0:09:13.410 --> 0:09:16.329 to us, literally, if you confess with your mouth that 0:09:16.370 --> 0:09:19.250 what Jesus is Lord, and then you believe in your 0:09:19.250 --> 0:09:21.490 heart that he was raised from the dead, you'll be saved. 0:09:21.490 --> 0:09:24.569 But really, in the original language, the nuance of that 0:09:24.570 --> 0:09:28.650 verse is really pertinent to this conversation. And it's this 0:09:28.929 --> 0:09:32.090 that I don't need to just confess with my mouth 0:09:32.090 --> 0:09:35.689 that Jesus is God. I need to understand that he 0:09:35.770 --> 0:09:40.730 is inviting me to embrace him as absolute master of 0:09:40.730 --> 0:09:43.849 my life. That's where it begins. Salvation's got to begin 0:09:44.130 --> 0:09:48.489 with a transfer of ownership that I offer him, literally 0:09:48.490 --> 0:09:51.350 the deed and the title of my life. And I say, 0:09:51.390 --> 0:09:53.710 here it is, I no longer will belong to myself. 0:09:53.710 --> 0:09:57.510 I've tried this and it's not working. I'm offering you 0:09:57.510 --> 0:10:01.069 the title and the deed of my life. I now 0:10:01.070 --> 0:10:04.309 belong to you. And now everything that I'll ever collect 0:10:04.350 --> 0:10:07.990 or own or buy also belongs to you. And it begins. 0:10:07.990 --> 0:10:10.590 If you begin correctly. Then all of a sudden we 0:10:10.630 --> 0:10:14.430 find ourselves less encumbered by the world and stuff. 0:10:14.630 --> 0:10:16.829 Greg Dempster, our guest right now, founder and director of 0:10:16.830 --> 0:10:20.390 Christ Life Ministries. Coming up from his perspective, what are 0:10:20.390 --> 0:10:26.110 the leading indicators that your identity has shifted a little bit? 0:10:26.150 --> 0:10:27.790 More coming up here on Karl and crew. 0:10:28.190 --> 0:10:32.709 A basketball mom who's mastered the dad joke. Ali is 0:10:32.710 --> 0:10:36.270 in the crew. It's Karl and crew on Moody Radio. 0:10:36.309 --> 0:10:38.469 Greg Dempster guest. Right now I want to read this 0:10:38.470 --> 0:10:41.830 snippet from a testimonial of someone who's worked with Christ's 0:10:41.870 --> 0:10:44.950 Life Ministries. This is a pastor. He says when your 0:10:44.950 --> 0:10:47.910 joy is gone, it seems God is too. This is 0:10:47.910 --> 0:10:50.569 a hard thing to tell others. I've had a few 0:10:50.610 --> 0:10:52.690 trusted leaders over the years in the church I serve 0:10:52.730 --> 0:10:54.930 who've been willing to listen to me, but even then, 0:10:54.929 --> 0:10:57.530 how much do you say? How much can they handle hearing? 0:10:57.530 --> 0:10:59.530 Will they accept me, or will they just feel pressure 0:10:59.530 --> 0:11:02.010 to somehow fix me? Also, what do you say when 0:11:02.010 --> 0:11:04.690 you don't even know how to describe what's going inside, 0:11:04.730 --> 0:11:09.250 going on inside your dark, frightened heart? Greg Dempster You 0:11:09.290 --> 0:11:12.290 work with leaders who find themselves in a place of 0:11:12.690 --> 0:11:15.730 real shaking. They they love God. They've committed their lives 0:11:15.730 --> 0:11:19.610 to serving him. Yet there's been a real identity shift. 0:11:19.610 --> 0:11:22.010 That joy is gone. They are not sure why they're 0:11:22.010 --> 0:11:25.530 doing what they're doing anymore. What are leading indicators that 0:11:25.570 --> 0:11:29.570 there's a shift that's taking place that can be disorienting. 0:11:29.570 --> 0:11:32.969 It can be scary. It can be shame filled. What 0:11:32.970 --> 0:11:33.530 do you say? 0:11:34.210 --> 0:11:38.490 I think it's focus. I think it's appetite. When I 0:11:38.490 --> 0:11:42.650 have appetites that are growing around things that are not 0:11:42.809 --> 0:11:46.090 about God, that's a like a red light on the 0:11:46.090 --> 0:11:50.550 dashboard Board flashing, saying get off the road and begin 0:11:50.550 --> 0:11:53.830 to get things fixed. So it's really a focus where 0:11:53.830 --> 0:11:57.870 your focus is, your heart will follow. And so that 0:11:57.870 --> 0:12:00.710 would be probably a first warning sign right there. 0:12:00.910 --> 0:12:02.990 I think you're spot on Greg. We've talked about this 0:12:03.030 --> 0:12:06.910 at length. It's interesting to me I've been cogitating on 0:12:06.910 --> 0:12:10.270 this a lot lately. We often talk about spiritual disciplines 0:12:10.309 --> 0:12:13.350 of Bible reading, prayer and study and service and giving 0:12:13.350 --> 0:12:15.670 and all those things, and those are all great. But 0:12:15.670 --> 0:12:20.349 we miss the David disciplines of quiet in the morning. 0:12:20.390 --> 0:12:26.589 Search me, know me, try me. That introspection. Quiet. Solitude. Greg, 0:12:26.590 --> 0:12:30.390 I don't know that we can regain focus on the fly. 0:12:30.429 --> 0:12:33.990 There has to be something a little deeper than that. 0:12:34.230 --> 0:12:37.390 Explain that from your perspective and the work that you 0:12:37.390 --> 0:12:38.950 do and the Word of God. 0:12:39.190 --> 0:12:43.390 It was Dallas Willard who coined the phrase governing ideas, 0:12:43.429 --> 0:12:48.290 and he would say that that behind our action, our movement, 0:12:48.290 --> 0:12:53.090 our living, our governing ideas that have informed at one 0:12:53.090 --> 0:12:56.610 level or another through what we've experienced, how we've interpreted it, 0:12:56.610 --> 0:13:00.010 and then how we respond. And I think that it 0:13:00.010 --> 0:13:04.770 takes actually looking at what's driving our actions before we 0:13:04.770 --> 0:13:09.290 can begin to invite God the Almighty, the healer, into 0:13:09.290 --> 0:13:13.530 our lives to bring that change. That's that. Romans 12 0:13:13.570 --> 0:13:17.370 two metamorphosis through the renewal of actually, the Greek word 0:13:17.370 --> 0:13:20.170 is noose. How I perceive, how I understand, how I feel, 0:13:20.210 --> 0:13:23.050 judge and determine, and nobody comes out of the womb 0:13:23.050 --> 0:13:26.490 with a fully developed mind. The question is, how has 0:13:26.490 --> 0:13:30.930 life up to this point formed my thinking? And once 0:13:30.929 --> 0:13:34.090 we begin to draw some conclusions about what drives our 0:13:34.090 --> 0:13:38.849 lives again, we can invite the God who loves to heal. 0:13:39.050 --> 0:13:44.569 John 16, the Spirit of Jesus Himself to be a counselor. 0:13:44.570 --> 0:13:48.110 Where and to what. Lead us into truth about all things. 0:13:48.110 --> 0:13:49.190 He loves to do that. 0:13:49.230 --> 0:13:49.630 Yeah. 0:13:50.070 --> 0:13:55.310 Greg, you've worked with many, many leaders, pastors, worship leaders. 0:13:55.309 --> 0:13:58.510 Give us a story. Obviously no names, no details, but 0:13:58.510 --> 0:14:01.910 give us a story that really exemplifies the work that 0:14:01.910 --> 0:14:04.310 you are have such a passion for doing. 0:14:04.750 --> 0:14:07.910 The root of what we do is we help leaders 0:14:07.910 --> 0:14:12.110 experience renewal, and then we equip them to bring renewal 0:14:12.110 --> 0:14:14.590 to the ministries that they lead. I think many of 0:14:14.590 --> 0:14:17.830 these guys, well, they're just just like us. We all 0:14:17.830 --> 0:14:22.510 have faulty governing ideas in our lives. I remember one 0:14:22.510 --> 0:14:26.390 man in particular. He, as a young boy had a 0:14:26.390 --> 0:14:29.150 father that was a construction worker. His father came in 0:14:29.150 --> 0:14:32.990 and and invited, told him, hey, before I get home, 0:14:32.990 --> 0:14:36.750 I want the whole driveway shoveled off. It was in 0:14:36.750 --> 0:14:40.430 the middle of winter in this area, and this kid, 0:14:40.470 --> 0:14:43.510 being a normal ten year old kid, get on the 0:14:43.510 --> 0:14:47.090 video games. He got distracted. All of a sudden, 2:00 0:14:47.090 --> 0:14:49.250 in the afternoon, two hours before he expected his dad 0:14:49.250 --> 0:14:52.170 to be home, he hears his his truck like a 0:14:52.170 --> 0:14:57.010 late 70s Ford truck blazing up the driveway. He's scared 0:14:57.010 --> 0:15:00.210 to death and his dad comes stomping into the house, 0:15:00.570 --> 0:15:03.970 doesn't take his boots off, walks up the stairs, grabs 0:15:03.970 --> 0:15:07.770 this guy by the neck and says, you'll never disrespect 0:15:07.770 --> 0:15:11.130 me like this again, and throws him through the bifold 0:15:11.130 --> 0:15:15.690 doors in the hallway. And of course, he's shocked. His 0:15:15.690 --> 0:15:19.730 dad's never done anything like that before. But as this 0:15:19.730 --> 0:15:23.970 man began to now much later, decades and decades later, 0:15:24.370 --> 0:15:29.290 begin to understand that that relationship at one level or 0:15:29.290 --> 0:15:34.930 another formed governing ideas, distorted perspectives of life that led 0:15:34.930 --> 0:15:38.690 him to a total fear of conflict. He was in 0:15:38.690 --> 0:15:41.930 one of the fastest growing church plants in this region 0:15:42.090 --> 0:15:46.070 and he could not deal with strong personalities. He'd run 0:15:46.070 --> 0:15:50.470 away from people who lost their cool quickly, and God 0:15:50.510 --> 0:15:55.310 began the process then of moving in John 16. Once 0:15:55.310 --> 0:16:00.870 he realized how some of these negative responses, dysfunctional behaviors, 0:16:01.350 --> 0:16:04.750 and disruptive emotions were formed in his life, he was 0:16:04.750 --> 0:16:08.950 able to take that move towards God and begin to 0:16:08.990 --> 0:16:12.750 actually experience renewal and change in his life. That's what 0:16:12.750 --> 0:16:14.190 we do at Christ's life. 0:16:14.550 --> 0:16:17.190 Yeah, it's interesting too. I would imagine that he was 0:16:17.190 --> 0:16:21.870 committed to metaphorically shovel snow like a madman so that 0:16:21.870 --> 0:16:24.989 the father doesn't come home and throw him through Bifold doors. 0:16:25.030 --> 0:16:26.910 I mean, spiritually speaking. Yeah. 0:16:26.950 --> 0:16:30.109 I mean, this guy. Without going into too many details, 0:16:30.110 --> 0:16:33.470 this guy regarding seminary was at one of the most 0:16:33.470 --> 0:16:40.110 prestigious seminaries in America. The guy's brilliant, a brilliant communicator, 0:16:40.310 --> 0:16:43.850 drawing people like crazy all over this region to attend 0:16:43.850 --> 0:16:47.770 his church. I mean, in every measurable. He was a 0:16:47.770 --> 0:16:50.170 tremendous success. And yet at the same time, he was 0:16:50.210 --> 0:16:54.050 a slave to performance and a slave to approval. 0:16:54.690 --> 0:17:01.170 That's powerful stuff. Governing thoughts, governing ideas. And they're shaped 0:17:01.170 --> 0:17:04.170 from early on. I mean, we can't avoid our family 0:17:04.170 --> 0:17:07.770 of origin. We can't afford avoid the cultural group we're 0:17:07.770 --> 0:17:10.970 raised in. Right, guys? I mean, we can't avoid these things, 0:17:11.530 --> 0:17:14.649 but we've got to get alone with God. Greg, I'm 0:17:14.650 --> 0:17:16.730 going to say one final thing to you, bro. And 0:17:16.730 --> 0:17:19.090 I've ministered with Greg for, I don't know how many years. 0:17:19.890 --> 0:17:22.210 Goodness sakes. It's a long time ago. Back down in 0:17:22.210 --> 0:17:25.169 little Rock, buddy, when we saw God on fire in 0:17:25.170 --> 0:17:29.130 those kids lives. But you know what? The greatest thing 0:17:29.130 --> 0:17:32.770 that Greg brought me as a friend, the greatest one 0:17:32.810 --> 0:17:35.770 singular thing was he was going through some deep stuff. 0:17:35.810 --> 0:17:37.770 I mean, you gotta you gotta understand there is a 0:17:37.770 --> 0:17:39.730 story behind Greg Dempster that goes all the way to 0:17:39.770 --> 0:17:43.220 England that sometime we got to share. That was wild. 0:17:43.619 --> 0:17:49.460 But here's the deal. If we get into this robotic, perfunctory, uh, 0:17:49.500 --> 0:17:53.300 response kind of mechanism to God that's born out of 0:17:53.340 --> 0:17:57.379 a wrong set of ideas and thinking that is performance 0:17:57.380 --> 0:18:00.220 based or in any way approval based or anything. Or 0:18:00.220 --> 0:18:05.660 we're just we're on this hamster wheel of death, and 0:18:05.660 --> 0:18:07.699 God wants to set us free. Guys, I want you 0:18:07.700 --> 0:18:09.860 to check it out. We got a link to something 0:18:09.859 --> 0:18:11.900 great for Greg. Let's go for it. 0:18:12.220 --> 0:18:17.860 Text life to 800 555 7898. For more on Greg Dempster, 0:18:17.900 --> 0:18:22.700 our guest, just text life to (800) 555-7898. 0:18:23.420 --> 0:18:27.500 Romans eight brought her to Jesus while broadcasting traffic overnight. 0:18:27.820 --> 0:18:31.780 Super die is in the crew. It's curling crew on 0:18:31.780 --> 0:18:32.700 Moody Radio. 0:18:32.740 --> 0:18:38.020 I've got three, count em. Three, one, two, three. Count em. Three, two, one, one, two, three. However, 0:18:38.020 --> 0:18:39.399 you count them up, I got three. 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:41.320 You got three, three. 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:45.960 Three. Carla. Prize packs for someone who is on the 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:50.600 road again. Oh, that was the cue. 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:56.879 There we go, there we go. We got it. There 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:59.760 we go. Come on, Willie. 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:03.520 On the road again. It's Memorial Day weekend. Can't wait 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:05.120 to get on the road again. 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:06.200 How many people on the road? 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:06.800 Super day. 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:10.359 Over 45 million throughout the United States will hit the 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:14.480 roads this weekend. Over 45 million? Yeah. 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:16.440 What were those. 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:16.800 Nut. 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:19.919 Roll things. You'd see signs and you could go. 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:20.920 Pull off. 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:24.120 Stuckey. Remember Stuckey stops. 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:24.480 No. 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:26.520 I think they're still going, aren't they? 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:26.879 Do you. 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:27.240 Mean see. 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:28.199 If Stuckey stops. 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:29.560 You're still out there. You're talking about. 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:30.520 Oh, Stuckey's. 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:30.960 Man. 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:35.760 Stuckey stops. They were like, uh, they were kind of 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:38.660 a they were kind of a food. They were a 0:19:38.660 --> 0:19:41.780 role in. You'd chop them up and they had like caramel, 0:19:41.780 --> 0:19:44.820 didn't they? And then like almonds or nuts around it anyway, 0:19:44.820 --> 0:19:47.140 it was like a nut roll. And they were stucky 0:19:47.140 --> 0:19:49.220 and it was like a certain brand of, oh. 0:19:49.220 --> 0:19:51.380 I thought you were talking about the road stop. 0:19:51.420 --> 0:19:52.419 Well, maybe I'm wrong. 0:19:52.460 --> 0:19:55.580 They were pecan log rolls. They they were, they were 0:19:55.619 --> 0:19:58.540 a a stop, a roadside stop. But they were. 0:19:58.540 --> 0:19:59.220 Stucky, right? 0:19:59.260 --> 0:20:02.100 Yeah. They were known for their pecan log rolls. 0:20:02.140 --> 0:20:03.100 Well, there you go. 0:20:03.140 --> 0:20:03.660 Okay. 0:20:04.180 --> 0:20:04.500 Got it. 0:20:04.540 --> 0:20:06.980 We're talking about something that's both a rest stop and 0:20:06.980 --> 0:20:07.740 a candy. 0:20:07.780 --> 0:20:08.340 Yes. 0:20:08.900 --> 0:20:09.899 Well it was it was. 0:20:09.900 --> 0:20:10.500 Stuckey's. 0:20:10.540 --> 0:20:13.180 Pecan log rolls. So it was. It was a pecan. 0:20:13.300 --> 0:20:15.220 Was it only pecan? That was it, right. 0:20:15.220 --> 0:20:16.460 I don't know, I don't know. 0:20:16.500 --> 0:20:19.780 But they were available at Stuckey's. Stuckey's made them famous. 0:20:19.820 --> 0:20:22.580 Yes, yes. Stuckey's log rolls. Man. 0:20:22.660 --> 0:20:24.260 They had like a colored roof or something. 0:20:24.580 --> 0:20:24.940 A blue. 0:20:24.940 --> 0:20:25.300 Roof. 0:20:25.340 --> 0:20:28.300 Okay. Yeah. And I didn't like him, but it was 0:20:28.300 --> 0:20:30.459 a good stop because you got to get out and 0:20:30.460 --> 0:20:31.100 run around. 0:20:31.140 --> 0:20:33.100 There's a lot of candy in there. It looks like, 0:20:33.100 --> 0:20:34.060 from what I'm seeing. 0:20:34.060 --> 0:20:40.480 So interesting. Yeah, I think it's a road trip classic, apparently. Yeah, according. 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:41.840 To Stuckey's website. 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:43.080 And they're still around. 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:47.159 The nostalgic treat made with nougat, caramel and Georgia pecans. 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:47.919 What'd you say? 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:48.639 Nougat. 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:50.280 Nougat nugget. 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:51.360 Nougat nugget. 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:53.040 Yeah, you know what I mean. 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:55.240 You'd be nice to her, young thunder. 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:56.480 How often do you use. 0:20:56.520 --> 0:20:58.399 Nougat in a sentence? 0:20:58.840 --> 0:20:59.520 I don't know. 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:00.560 Ever. Never. 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:03.399 Some. It's got a Three Musketeers. You got fluffy. 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:06.840 You guys stop! You guys stop fighting! No, I didn't 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.040 think we'd have that. Just things you didn't think. 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:10.040 You got kids fighting. 0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:10.760 In the car? 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:13.680 Yeah. There you go. Things you didn't think you'd hear 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:16.680 on Freedom Friday. Is young Thunder taking on Ali? 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:17.040 I did. 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:17.919 What you say. 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:19.879 Little brother mode for a second. 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:21.400 You did get into that. 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:23.240 You did. That's classic. 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:25.960 Ha! You said the word wrong. 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:26.880 It's nougat. 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:31.240 Ah, mom, she doesn't get it right again. 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:32.960 That's good. 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:33.640 That's very funny. 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:36.060 I'm gonna turn this show around Anyhow. 0:21:36.420 --> 0:21:39.379 So, Stuckey, are they still out there? That's my question. 0:21:39.380 --> 0:21:41.139 They are 6060 locations. 0:21:41.420 --> 0:21:42.420 That's a lot of locations. 0:21:42.420 --> 0:21:43.540 United States. Yeah. 0:21:44.140 --> 0:21:46.420 I've never seen one. Never been where I've dried. 0:21:46.820 --> 0:21:48.820 If you are on the road, if you are on 0:21:48.820 --> 0:21:52.100 the road right now. 805 five, five, 78, 98. 0:21:52.260 --> 0:21:52.860 Do you have to be. 0:21:52.900 --> 0:21:54.780 Headed out of town for Memorial. 0:21:54.780 --> 0:21:58.940 Day on the road, headed out of town. 800 555 7898. 0:21:58.980 --> 0:22:01.139 That's the rules. If you're headed out of town, then 0:22:01.180 --> 0:22:03.140 you don't even have to be heading far. But you are. 0:22:03.180 --> 0:22:06.300 It's not down to the grocery store. It's a memorial 0:22:06.340 --> 0:22:10.500 day weekend trip if you are on the road again. 0:22:10.700 --> 0:22:12.420 I want to get you, Carl and crew prize pack. 0:22:12.420 --> 0:22:16.780 So call in. You got to call in right now. 805, five, five, 0:22:16.820 --> 0:22:24.140 7898 805 five, five 7898. Bonus pack. If you've got 0:22:24.140 --> 0:22:27.140 a whole bunch of garments and luggage on top of 0:22:27.140 --> 0:22:30.460 your car. Because I want a picture of that one. 0:22:31.220 --> 0:22:33.620 So people do that stuff where they put the big 0:22:33.619 --> 0:22:34.580 thing up on the top of the car. 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:37.400 It's usually a back rack. Now that stuck out of there. 0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:39.640 You know there that that tow tow. 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:40.280 Hitch and. 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:41.800 They stick it in there and then there's a bunch 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:44.080 of stuff dangling off of there. But I've seen some 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:45.399 of the craziest stuff driving. 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:45.960 Down the road. 0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:47.040 I'm sure. 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:48.440 Wagons anymore. 0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:51.960 Well, I mean, still it happens. I'm sure. Different parts 0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:56.400 of the nation. (800) 555-7898. We're going to get you right 0:22:56.400 --> 0:22:59.679 in here. Uh, Austin, where are you at? Louisiana. 0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:04.640 That's right. Well, from Louisiana, but we just crossed over 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:06.320 the state line of Alabama. 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:10.359 Alabama. Roll tide. All right, my man, where are you headed? 0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:14.359 We're headed to Lookout Mountain. I'm a youth pastor, and 0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:16.199 I got my crew with me. We are headed to 0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:17.160 Covenant College. 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:21.960 Oh, Austin. How many? How many kids you got with you? 0:23:23.440 --> 0:23:26.159 I have six with us. And if you want to 0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:28.440 include adults, too, there's 11 of us total. 0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:30.600 Oh that's great, that's awesome. So. 0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:33.400 Austin, what a good dude. Austin, stay on the horn. 0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:35.620 You're getting a prize pack. 0:23:36.100 --> 0:23:41.740 Austin youth pastors have to do such adventurous things. Where 0:23:41.740 --> 0:23:45.540 are you going? Load up the car. We're headed to 0:23:45.580 --> 0:23:48.500 Georgia for youth camp. That's so cool. 0:23:49.619 --> 0:23:52.580 I gotta tell you guys, I did that so many 0:23:52.580 --> 0:23:55.740 times when he said that. That was a blast to 0:23:55.780 --> 0:24:00.780 the past. He's like, I got youth in the car here. Oh, 0:24:00.900 --> 0:24:02.140 is he still on the horn? 0:24:02.180 --> 0:24:03.460 I can get him back on the horn. 0:24:03.540 --> 0:24:04.699 Get him on the horn. I want to talk to 0:24:04.740 --> 0:24:06.060 one of the youth in the car. 0:24:06.100 --> 0:24:07.420 Well, you want to talk to one of the youth? 0:24:07.460 --> 0:24:09.060 Yeah, I want to talk to one of the student 0:24:09.060 --> 0:24:09.780 ministry kids. 0:24:09.820 --> 0:24:11.619 You know, it's also one of the teenagers. 0:24:11.660 --> 0:24:13.100 Yeah. Let me talk to one. 0:24:14.300 --> 0:24:17.020 Oh, this is T-money. You're going to be speaking to T-money. 0:24:17.300 --> 0:24:19.179 Pay me money. How old are you? 0:24:19.580 --> 0:24:20.020 Hello? 0:24:21.140 --> 0:24:21.340 Yeah. 0:24:21.619 --> 0:24:22.020 Honey. 0:24:22.140 --> 0:24:23.140 How old are you, buddy? 0:24:23.980 --> 0:24:25.540 Hey, that's. That's me. 0:24:25.980 --> 0:24:26.980 How old are you, bud? 0:24:28.180 --> 0:24:29.260 I'm 16. 0:24:29.740 --> 0:24:30.820 How old are you, man? 0:24:30.859 --> 0:24:33.280 You've got. Okay, you got the radio on in the background, 0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:35.280 so you have to tune that down just a little 0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:38.040 bit there. All right, so tell me something, my man. 0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:40.960 How's your youth pastor driving? Is he keeping it? Keeping 0:24:40.960 --> 0:24:41.679 it straight. 0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:45.359 He's trying to. He's trying to. He can be a 0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:46.560 handful sometimes, too. 0:24:47.600 --> 0:24:48.560 He could be a. 0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:50.719 Handful sometimes, too. 0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:52.960 You know what? That's pretty accurate about a youth pastor. 0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:58.400 Oh, yeah, that's absolutely true. Hey, uh, is it t-money 0:24:58.400 --> 0:24:59.800 or p money? What's your name. 0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:01.680 Sir? 0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:04.120 What's your name? What's your name, bro? 0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:05.320 My name is Travis. 0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:10.000 They call you T-money. Okay. So, Travis, have you. Are 0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:12.320 you guys going to take a. Are you going to 0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:14.720 take a potty break soon or something like that? Are 0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:16.119 you going to take a rest stop? What are you 0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:16.720 going to do? 0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:20.080 I think we just got to go till he's he's 0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:20.760 got to go. 0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:24.480 That's right. 0:25:24.520 --> 0:25:27.040 That's so true. Gotta go. Oh. 0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:31.320 T-money. I love you, man. You got a deep voice, dude. 0:25:31.420 --> 0:25:33.580 your voice must have cracked when it was eight years old. 0:25:33.619 --> 0:25:36.260 When you were eight years old, you got a deep voice. 0:25:36.300 --> 0:25:37.219 And I guess so. 0:25:37.740 --> 0:25:38.580 Man, I guess. 0:25:38.580 --> 0:25:39.540 So embarrassing. 0:25:39.540 --> 0:25:39.700 Him. 0:25:39.700 --> 0:25:40.460 In front of all. 0:25:40.460 --> 0:25:40.700 These. 0:25:40.700 --> 0:25:41.580 Great friends. 0:25:41.780 --> 0:25:43.900 T money can handle it. T money can. 0:25:43.900 --> 0:25:45.260 Handle. Can hear him in the background. 0:25:45.820 --> 0:25:46.100 Giving. 0:25:46.100 --> 0:25:46.540 Him a hard. 0:25:46.700 --> 0:25:48.540 T money t money. Do you have a crush on 0:25:48.540 --> 0:25:49.899 a girl? Don't give her name. But do you have 0:25:49.900 --> 0:25:51.260 a crush on a girl right now? 0:25:51.820 --> 0:25:52.419 Carl? 0:25:53.940 --> 0:25:55.979 Oh, man, they got a crush on me. 0:25:56.180 --> 0:26:03.220 Ah! Spoken like a 16 year old boy named T-money 0:26:03.660 --> 0:26:04.460 t money. 0:26:04.820 --> 0:26:08.020 All right, get off the horn. You messed up our 0:26:08.020 --> 0:26:11.939 radio show so beautifully. It's unbelievable. T money. Austin youth 0:26:11.940 --> 0:26:15.820 pastor gonna pray for that, bro. Don't leave Austin. You're 0:26:15.820 --> 0:26:19.460 getting a prize pack. Okay. Uh, John, in Chicago, you 0:26:19.460 --> 0:26:24.060 drive in a youth group around. Hello, John. 0:26:25.340 --> 0:26:29.100 Hello. We're here. Hey, Carl. We're actually in Sheffield, Illinois, 0:26:29.100 --> 0:26:32.760 on our way back from a 35 day trip out west, 0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:35.840 seeing God's beauty in an RV. We're sitting in a 0:26:35.840 --> 0:26:37.320 campground listening to you all. 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:41.080 Wow. That's awesome. Way to go, my man. 0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:43.520 Stay on the horn. Because when you get home, you 0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:45.440 got a Carlin Crew prize. 0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:46.040 Pack. 0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:50.040 Coming your way on the road again. Give me a 0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:51.320 little Willie one more time. 0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:52.800 All right. 0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:53.560 Gotta have. 0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:53.919 Willie. 0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:55.600 Gotta have a little Willie. 0:26:56.119 --> 0:26:57.760 A little driving song for you. 0:26:58.040 --> 0:27:02.800 This is for you. T-money in Austin and John right here. 0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:04.000 On the road again. 0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:05.680 T-money. You got a good voice. Sing along. 0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:08.440 Right now. Can't wait to get on the road again. 0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:12.520 Kid's name is Nick. Name is T-money. It's so good, 0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:15.520 my friends and I can't wait to get on the 0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:16.160 road again. 0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:18.600 He's not crushing on girls, but they're crushing on him. 0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:20.840 That is classic response. 0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:22.920 That's so high school, boy. 0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:29.820 All right, guys, enough of this madness. Ali gets us 0:27:29.820 --> 0:27:31.460 going down these crazy paths. 0:27:31.500 --> 0:27:32.500 I don't know what she thinks of it. 0:27:32.540 --> 0:27:34.900 It's me. Yeah, it's definitely me. 0:27:35.300 --> 0:27:37.620 Speaking of Ali, we got a question that we want 0:27:37.660 --> 0:27:39.900 to tee up. This whole week has been beautiful because 0:27:39.900 --> 0:27:43.060 we've been talking about identity in Christ. But the drift 0:27:43.060 --> 0:27:44.420 is easy. 0:27:44.460 --> 0:27:47.220 It is. And for many, many of us, all of us, 0:27:47.220 --> 0:27:50.380 there's a certain mindset shift that we have to fight 0:27:50.380 --> 0:27:54.060 against to stay rooted in our identity in Christ. Sometimes 0:27:54.060 --> 0:27:58.260 it's laziness. Sometimes it's fear. It's doubt, it's insecurity. It's 0:27:58.260 --> 0:28:01.139 people pleasing. What's the mindset shift that you have to 0:28:01.180 --> 0:28:07.379 fight against to stay anchored in Christ? 805. 55. 78. 98. 0:28:07.420 --> 0:28:09.180 Love to get more of you on the phone. Boy, 0:28:09.180 --> 0:28:13.740 it's been good hearing your voices this morning. 800 555. 78. 98. 0:28:14.220 --> 0:28:17.220 He was sharing the gospel on the radio. And then 0:28:17.260 --> 0:28:21.580 he got saved. Young thunders in the crew. It's Carl 0:28:21.580 --> 0:28:23.340 and crew on Moody Radio. 0:28:23.859 --> 0:28:28.320 What mindset shift do you have to fight against to 0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:35.760 stay anchored in Christ, 800 555 7898 800 555 7898. 0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:38.520 Let's go to Pam calling in this morning from Illinois. Pam, 0:28:38.520 --> 0:28:41.600 what's that mindset shift that you have to fight against? 0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:46.600 Good morning. Thank you. Um, I'm fighting against the grief 0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:50.800 of losing my wonderful husband. And I'm I think of. 0:28:50.840 --> 0:28:55.400 I think of God. Um, turning his back on me 0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:57.720 is how I feel. And because I think of the 0:28:57.720 --> 0:29:01.840 Isaiah scripture, am I supposed to keep talking? 0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:02.000 Yeah. 0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:02.640 Go ahead. We can. 0:29:02.640 --> 0:29:02.920 Hear you. 0:29:02.960 --> 0:29:05.400 Pam, you got your radio up in the background, so 0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:07.600 it's messing you up a little bit, Pam, but you're good. 0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:11.080 Oh, I'm still talking. 0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:13.800 Yeah. It's okay. Pam. Here, let's just take a break 0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:15.320 because I want to hear your thought. Go ahead and 0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:17.480 turn down that radio in the background, because there's a 0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:20.400 little delay, so it's kind of messing with your head. It. 0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:21.760 Would anyone trust me? 0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:23.120 Agreed. 0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:26.000 All right, Pam, we got you back here. You good? 0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:29.370 You good to go? I'm feeling like the scripture of 0:29:29.370 --> 0:29:32.250 Isaiah that God has a plan for me, for everybody, 0:29:32.250 --> 0:29:35.570 and I. I pray all the born again prayers on 0:29:35.570 --> 0:29:38.690 every radio station. And I'm not feeling it. And I 0:29:38.730 --> 0:29:42.010 feel like I don't feel the love of Jesus. I 0:29:42.010 --> 0:29:44.850 love Jesus, but I feel like, wow, is your plan, 0:29:44.850 --> 0:29:47.290 that I'm supposed to be so lonely without my husband? 0:29:47.490 --> 0:29:49.450 So that's that's what I'm fighting again. 0:29:49.930 --> 0:29:52.530 Hey, this is a unique one, Pam. Number one, I 0:29:52.530 --> 0:29:54.210 want you to know that you are in a battle 0:29:54.210 --> 0:29:56.490 for your life. Satan wants to isolate you and make 0:29:56.490 --> 0:29:58.489 you feel that way. I want you to stay on 0:29:58.490 --> 0:30:00.850 the horn. I want to send something to you that's 0:30:00.850 --> 0:30:03.010 going to help you. Okay. So I want you to 0:30:03.050 --> 0:30:07.010 stay on the horn, and we're going to get we're 0:30:07.010 --> 0:30:09.970 going to get some information out to you because that 0:30:11.090 --> 0:30:14.690 that is something that God does not want you to have. Pam, 0:30:15.010 --> 0:30:16.970 God wants to meet you where you are, and he 0:30:16.970 --> 0:30:19.770 wants you to know that he is present. He's real 0:30:19.770 --> 0:30:23.410 and that he loves you. And I think you've, uh, 0:30:24.450 --> 0:30:28.270 you've gotten yourself, boy. He puts you in a trap there, 0:30:28.270 --> 0:30:29.830 and we're going to do all we can to help 0:30:29.830 --> 0:30:32.270 you get released. I love that honesty, though. Right, guys? 0:30:32.310 --> 0:30:32.790 Yeah. 0:30:32.830 --> 0:30:33.430 I mean, yeah. 0:30:33.590 --> 0:30:36.550 I think the more honest we can be, the more 0:30:37.030 --> 0:30:39.270 we can get the help. That's just what the body 0:30:39.270 --> 0:30:42.070 of Christ. But sometimes speaking it out is takes it 0:30:42.070 --> 0:30:43.430 out of the shadows. Right. 0:30:43.670 --> 0:30:44.390 Big time. 0:30:44.430 --> 0:30:45.870 And God can move. Yeah. 0:30:47.310 --> 0:30:51.350 Yeah. Guys, what's your story? Pearl? In Oklahoma. What do 0:30:51.350 --> 0:30:52.070 you say, Pearl? 0:30:53.190 --> 0:30:56.030 Hey. Good morning. I would say the mindset that I 0:30:56.030 --> 0:30:59.670 would fight against is my own thoughts that can take 0:30:59.670 --> 0:31:03.750 you down a rabbit hole and allowing fear to pull 0:31:03.750 --> 0:31:07.229 you into things that that aren't true. And so staying 0:31:07.230 --> 0:31:11.710 rooted in the truth of God's word and, um, calling 0:31:11.710 --> 0:31:14.790 out to him because the Holy Spirit is our Paraclete, 0:31:14.790 --> 0:31:19.310 our comforter, our side by side that does life with us. So, um, 0:31:19.670 --> 0:31:25.450 that's I call out to him regularly, uh, and and, uh, 0:31:25.450 --> 0:31:28.730 he's faithful to be there. So just don't listen to 0:31:28.770 --> 0:31:29.570 your own thoughts. 0:31:30.090 --> 0:31:33.410 Yeah. Pearl, I want to tell you something that is 0:31:34.090 --> 0:31:38.490 really good. And that's. That's for Pam. That's really sweet. 0:31:38.690 --> 0:31:40.770 You know, you. We got a student of the word 0:31:40.770 --> 0:31:42.610 here with Pearl, by the way. Coming up here in 0:31:42.610 --> 0:31:45.490 a few minutes, we're going to we're going to spike this. 0:31:45.490 --> 0:31:48.090 I want to I want to speak to Pam by 0:31:48.090 --> 0:31:51.209 way of Pearl. But Pearl's understanding of the role of 0:31:51.210 --> 0:31:56.850 the Holy Spirit is so incredibly profound. Wow. We got 0:31:56.850 --> 0:31:58.770 time for one more question. What do you say there, Allie? 0:31:58.810 --> 0:32:02.330 Yeah. What mindset shift do you have to fight to 0:32:02.370 --> 0:32:06.209 stay anchored in Christ? 800 555 7898. 0:32:06.610 --> 0:32:09.290 Your shot of hope to help you through the day. 0:32:09.570 --> 0:32:12.730 This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio. 0:32:12.930 --> 0:32:15.330 When we go through great grief or loss, it can 0:32:15.330 --> 0:32:20.690 feel hopeless and helpless. Here's what I've learned after years 0:32:20.690 --> 0:32:23.990 of pastoring. This is what I've learned. There is this 0:32:23.990 --> 0:32:30.790 huge shift when we move from carrying something alone to 0:32:30.830 --> 0:32:34.790 finding one other person to bear our burdens with us. 0:32:34.790 --> 0:32:38.750 It's just real. And I want to tell you something, Pam. 0:32:39.110 --> 0:32:43.030 Your loss is real. That pain is real, and yet I. 0:32:43.790 --> 0:32:45.870 I know that a lot of us. And I'm sure 0:32:45.910 --> 0:32:48.790 Pam's in this boat. I can hear it. We sometimes 0:32:48.790 --> 0:32:52.670 find ourselves trying to sort through all that pain, all 0:32:52.710 --> 0:32:56.510 those anxious thoughts like, Where is God on our own? 0:32:56.830 --> 0:32:59.510 And the unique thing is, and this is what I'm 0:32:59.710 --> 0:33:02.590 loving about the church in this day and age, I 0:33:02.630 --> 0:33:04.790 cannot do what the church can do when we're at 0:33:04.790 --> 0:33:09.590 our best. And that's lift each other's arms, guys. I mean, 0:33:11.110 --> 0:33:12.190 what do you say, ally? 0:33:12.470 --> 0:33:14.310 You know, and I love that. And so I think 0:33:14.310 --> 0:33:16.710 the place to begin for Pam, or anyone who's feeling 0:33:16.710 --> 0:33:19.830 that sense of loneliness and isolation is a prayer I've 0:33:19.830 --> 0:33:23.410 prayed myself. God, can you send me a friend? Yeah. 0:33:23.450 --> 0:33:26.050 Can you send me a friend? Send me the right person. 0:33:26.210 --> 0:33:29.170 It's okay to pray for that and then start looking. 0:33:29.170 --> 0:33:31.690 Because you may not know who that person is, but 0:33:31.730 --> 0:33:33.290 ask God to show you. 0:33:35.690 --> 0:33:39.690 Yeah, I've attempted on certain in certain seasons of my 0:33:39.690 --> 0:33:43.090 life to try to take things alone. And, you know, 0:33:43.210 --> 0:33:46.850 just even yesterday I was able to take something on 0:33:46.850 --> 0:33:50.370 my heart to my bride at a just a visceral level, 0:33:50.410 --> 0:33:53.090 not an informative level, but an emotional level. And I 0:33:53.090 --> 0:33:56.969 took it to her and my goodness, you know, you 0:33:57.010 --> 0:34:02.690 got to remember this. God gave people two people, and 0:34:02.690 --> 0:34:04.690 maybe you don't have a spouse, but you can find 0:34:04.690 --> 0:34:07.170 another friend. Ali's right. Pray for a friend and watch 0:34:07.170 --> 0:34:09.930 what God can do. For some of you right now 0:34:09.930 --> 0:34:12.250 that you feel like you're in Pam's position, you feel 0:34:12.250 --> 0:34:15.370 so alone and wonder, Has God abandoned me? He has 0:34:15.370 --> 0:34:19.330 not abandoned you. But sometimes one person can help you 0:34:19.370 --> 0:34:21.970 see the reality of God's love again.