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S2: Commercial fishing in Alaska. Let me take you there. 32
S2: foot drift boat in on the west coast of Alaska. It's.
S2: It's kind of the Bering Sea, but it's a little
S2: more sheltered. We're in an area called Bristol Bay. You
S2: would anchor up on closures and get sleep because when
S2: the fishing season was open, we called them periods. So
S2: periods would open, a fishing period would open. It's a
S2: period of time to throw your nets in the water,
S2: and then it would shut down because of game and
S2: fish to allow escapement. So salmon to go up the
S2: rivers so that they can reproduce and the whole thing.
S2: But when you'd get a closure, wow, you're zonked out.
S2: So you'd put out an anchor. We had great anchors.
S2: The brand name is Danforth. Put out a Danforth anchor,
S2: and these things can grip the bottom of the ocean
S2: like you can't imagine. But they aren't perfect, and they
S2: can slip at times we're snoozing. One day we're down
S2: in the Ugashik district of Bristol Bay and just snoozing.
S2: I don't know how long we were out. 2 or
S2: 3 hours. Nobody felt the anchor slipping because you can
S2: sometimes feel it a little bit. And all we know
S2: is why we take a break or over the stern.
S2: So we had drifted so far that we drifted out
S2: into a set of breakers out in the bay, where
S2: it's really dangerous.
S3: Waters, real choppy. Is that what it is?
S2: Super choppy. I mean, you go from pretty placid to, wow,
S2: four foot, five foot, six foot breakers coming over the
S2: stern of the boat. So we got bam, huge breaker. Well,
S2: everybody's up. I mean, we're in our skivvies and we're
S2: running around starting up the motor and I'm out on deck.
S2: I got my, you know, my underwear on, and I'm
S2: grabbing stuff and yelling at the captain. No joking. Running
S2: around in our skivvies.
S3: I mean, you got to do what you got to do.
S2: 45, 50 degrees.
S4: Because this is light. I mean, this could be life threatening, right?
S2: Yeah.
S4: I mean, certainly threaten the the boat, right?
S2: You don't want it to happen because you can bust
S2: your keel on the bottom of the ocean. Because when
S2: you're in breakers, you're in shallow water. So it can
S2: and you can take on too much water. And pretty quick,
S2: you're sinking and your season's done in your skivvies. There
S2: you go. So we we get that thing fired up
S2: and got out of there and tried to get that
S2: thing anchored again. Here's my point. When we get anchored
S2: in our relationship with Christ and we know who we
S2: are in him, it's a powerful thing. And and if
S2: you're truly born again at that moment, there is a
S2: level of identity. You are so anchored in Christ, you're
S2: clinging to him because there's no salvation apart from clinging
S2: to God. Right?
S4: Right.
S2: So you're clinging to him. But whether it's the world,
S2: the flesh, or the devil, we can drift. I mean,
S2: you can be anchored in your identity in Christ today.
S2: And according to Scripture, you can be drifting tomorrow. Church
S2: of Laodicea is this. They are us. I'm convinced of this.
S2: This is a beautiful picture of us. I know your works.
S2: Jesus says to them in revelation three, you're neither cold
S2: nor hot. I want you cold or hot. So because
S2: you're lukewarm, I'll spit you out of my mouth. It
S2: is not loss of salvation. It's like God saying, let's
S2: get in, let's get out. That's all he's saying for you.
S2: Say I'm rich, I have prospered, I need nothing, not
S2: realizing that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked.
S2: So here's what they had done. They started anchored in Christ.
S2: Now they're living in Laodicea. It's a city of commerce.
S2: Things are going, and they have drifted from being anchored
S2: in their identity in Christ to starting to get anchored
S2: in the molek of their day, which was commerce money.
S2: Can I put it this way, American dream. We all
S2: together on this one?
S3: Yeah, it seems pretty familiar.
S2: Yeah. And it happens. And so the question is what
S2: do we do? How do we get back. Because I
S2: really feel conviction today because listen, no one here is
S2: immune to this except Ali. She's totally immune to drifting spiritually.
S3: I've never seen it.
S4: Oh, boy.
S2: Only Ali doesn't drift.
S4: Yeah.
S2: All the rest of us, we drift. We're drifters. Drifting,
S2: drifting away. We got theme songs for drifting. But Ali,
S2: she's an undefeatable woman of God. I'm joking here, obviously.
S4: Obviously.
S2: But the question is, how do we. How do we
S2: get and stay anchored? I need a short song because
S2: we got a guest coming in here. Who's going to
S2: crush it on it?
S3: Give me two.
S2: Seconds. I don't need one of these 30 minute features
S2: from LED Zeppelin.
S3: 30 minute features. Yeah, I got Freebird in the hopper
S3: right now. I know it's Lynyrd Skynyrd.
S2: Oh, Lynyrd Skynyrd. Sorry about that. Uh, this Cochran and
S2: company money can't buy. What a great song for this.
S2: But coming up, we got a guy that's all about identity,
S2: all about identity. And this is what I told him.
S2: This was last minute. This was last night. I said, Greg,
S2: I want you to come on here and talk about
S2: how to keep from drifting. When you're born again, you're
S2: fairly well anchored in your identity. There's more you got
S2: to learn. But hold on, hold on.
S1: You can take him out of Alaska, but you can't
S1: take Alaska out of him. Carl is in the crew.
S1: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
S2: Here's the point. We know when we are radically transformed,
S2: this born again regenerative process by the Holy Spirit that
S2: he calls us out of darkness, into the light. We
S2: know we are sobered up. We know in that moment
S2: money can't buy that kind of love, that kind of mercy.
S2: The kind of grace. Right?
S4: Yes.
S2: I mean, we're aware it's like, oh, so praise and
S2: worship comes easier at that point. Now, there's things that
S2: we got to do to grow and know a lot
S2: of your overcoming, as we've talked this week, shame and abuse.
S2: And so you learn more about your identity. But there's
S2: something about that initial hug that you are anchored in
S2: Jesus Christ, and then the anchor can drift. Greg Dempster
S2: with us here. Did you hear my analogy before we
S2: came on? Leave out the skivvies part, but the analogy
S2: was good to see you.
S5: Your analogy was absolutely frightening. I think it's going to
S5: negatively impact my whole day.
S2: But isn't it true? Greg, Greg Dempster with us right now,
S2: Christ's Life Ministries, this guy's really working with leaders all
S2: across the nation, helping them resecure their identity in Christ. Greg.
S2: This is a battle. This is not one and done, buddy.
S5: Here's the deal, man. We all have a sense of
S5: chasm between what we believe to be true about God
S5: and what we're experiencing every day, and uncovering why that
S5: chasm is there is really important for us to not
S5: continue to drift, as you said.
S4: Greg Dempster, our guest right now. Tell us your own
S4: story of when you first realized that this chasm existed
S4: in your own life. I think it has an Alaska tie.
S4: If I'm correct, you were in a in a plane
S4: when you made this realization.
S5: Ali. Honestly, there had been hundreds of moments where God
S5: has just opened up my eyes or just revealed a
S5: blind spot. I think for me it was 22 years
S5: of full time pastoral ministry and feeling need feeling, a
S5: need to perform, to secure value and then realizing, hey,
S5: there's something off here. I would look at ministry opportunities.
S5: I'd reflect back on them, be buoyed by them, try
S5: to draw a sense of value from them, realizing I
S5: was only creating a greater sense of insecurity in my
S5: own life. And that's when Jesus really began a Romans
S5: 12 two transformation or metamorphosis through the renewal of my mind.
S5: That's really maybe 22 years of of God speaking, culminating
S5: in a few moments where I realized, man, there needs
S5: to be a major 180 in my life, or else
S5: I'm going to continue to be living the way I am.
S2: Greg. When we are transformed by God, it is the
S2: most powerful new experience that we've had in our earthly lives,
S2: and it's indescribable. And whether or not we fully grasp
S2: all the truth of our identity in Christ, right there
S2: or not, there's something incredibly powerful, and there's a lot
S2: that can drag us away from that. This is why
S2: we're warned over and over again from the Apostle Paul.
S2: He was like, what do you say then? And he's
S2: asking us, going, hey, are you thinking about this? What
S2: does a person do who finds himself very candidly, let's
S2: go back to the church of Laodicea with Jesus knocking
S2: at the door, and he's knocking at the door of saved,
S2: born again men and women. And he's saying, I want
S2: back in here, kids. But you've let commerce, fancy footwork platforms, uh,
S2: being an influencer, all these attempts nudge me out. What
S2: do we do? How do you first hear the knock
S2: at the door? And then what do you do to
S2: open it up?
S5: I think the most strategic move forward is to focus
S5: on the root. And the root begins with a God
S5: filled glimpse of what salvation really is. I mean, Romans
S5: ten nine unveils it where Jesus, through the apostle says
S5: to us, literally, if you confess with your mouth that
S5: what Jesus is Lord, and then you believe in your
S5: heart that he was raised from the dead, you'll be saved.
S5: But really, in the original language, the nuance of that
S5: verse is really pertinent to this conversation. And it's this
S5: that I don't need to just confess with my mouth
S5: that Jesus is God. I need to understand that he
S5: is inviting me to embrace him as absolute master of
S5: my life. That's where it begins. Salvation's got to begin
S5: with a transfer of ownership that I offer him, literally
S5: the deed and the title of my life. And I say,
S5: here it is, I no longer will belong to myself.
S5: I've tried this and it's not working. I'm offering you
S5: the title and the deed of my life. I now
S5: belong to you. And now everything that I'll ever collect
S5: or own or buy also belongs to you. And it begins.
S5: If you begin correctly. Then all of a sudden we
S5: find ourselves less encumbered by the world and stuff.
S4: Greg Dempster, our guest right now, founder and director of
S4: Christ Life Ministries. Coming up from his perspective, what are
S4: the leading indicators that your identity has shifted a little bit?
S4: More coming up here on Karl and crew.
S1: A basketball mom who's mastered the dad joke. Ali is
S1: in the crew. It's Karl and crew on Moody Radio.
S4: Greg Dempster guest. Right now I want to read this
S4: snippet from a testimonial of someone who's worked with Christ's
S4: Life Ministries. This is a pastor. He says when your
S4: joy is gone, it seems God is too. This is
S4: a hard thing to tell others. I've had a few
S4: trusted leaders over the years in the church I serve
S4: who've been willing to listen to me, but even then,
S4: how much do you say? How much can they handle hearing?
S4: Will they accept me, or will they just feel pressure
S4: to somehow fix me? Also, what do you say when
S4: you don't even know how to describe what's going inside,
S4: going on inside your dark, frightened heart? Greg Dempster You
S4: work with leaders who find themselves in a place of
S4: real shaking. They they love God. They've committed their lives
S4: to serving him. Yet there's been a real identity shift.
S4: That joy is gone. They are not sure why they're
S4: doing what they're doing anymore. What are leading indicators that
S4: there's a shift that's taking place that can be disorienting.
S4: It can be scary. It can be shame filled. What
S4: do you say?
S5: I think it's focus. I think it's appetite. When I
S5: have appetites that are growing around things that are not
S5: about God, that's a like a red light on the
S5: dashboard Board flashing, saying get off the road and begin
S5: to get things fixed. So it's really a focus where
S5: your focus is, your heart will follow. And so that
S5: would be probably a first warning sign right there.
S2: I think you're spot on Greg. We've talked about this
S2: at length. It's interesting to me I've been cogitating on
S2: this a lot lately. We often talk about spiritual disciplines
S2: of Bible reading, prayer and study and service and giving
S2: and all those things, and those are all great. But
S2: we miss the David disciplines of quiet in the morning.
S2: Search me, know me, try me. That introspection. Quiet. Solitude. Greg,
S2: I don't know that we can regain focus on the fly.
S2: There has to be something a little deeper than that.
S2: Explain that from your perspective and the work that you
S2: do and the Word of God.
S5: It was Dallas Willard who coined the phrase governing ideas,
S5: and he would say that that behind our action, our movement,
S5: our living, our governing ideas that have informed at one
S5: level or another through what we've experienced, how we've interpreted it,
S5: and then how we respond. And I think that it
S5: takes actually looking at what's driving our actions before we
S5: can begin to invite God the Almighty, the healer, into
S5: our lives to bring that change. That's that. Romans 12
S5: two metamorphosis through the renewal of actually, the Greek word
S5: is noose. How I perceive, how I understand, how I feel,
S5: judge and determine, and nobody comes out of the womb
S5: with a fully developed mind. The question is, how has
S5: life up to this point formed my thinking? And once
S5: we begin to draw some conclusions about what drives our
S5: lives again, we can invite the God who loves to heal.
S5: John 16, the Spirit of Jesus Himself to be a counselor.
S5: Where and to what. Lead us into truth about all things.
S5: He loves to do that.
S2: Yeah.
S4: Greg, you've worked with many, many leaders, pastors, worship leaders.
S4: Give us a story. Obviously no names, no details, but
S4: give us a story that really exemplifies the work that
S4: you are have such a passion for doing.
S5: The root of what we do is we help leaders
S5: experience renewal, and then we equip them to bring renewal
S5: to the ministries that they lead. I think many of
S5: these guys, well, they're just just like us. We all
S5: have faulty governing ideas in our lives. I remember one
S5: man in particular. He, as a young boy had a
S5: father that was a construction worker. His father came in
S5: and and invited, told him, hey, before I get home,
S5: I want the whole driveway shoveled off. It was in
S5: the middle of winter in this area, and this kid,
S5: being a normal ten year old kid, get on the
S5: video games. He got distracted. All of a sudden, 2:00
S5: in the afternoon, two hours before he expected his dad
S5: to be home, he hears his his truck like a
S5: late 70s Ford truck blazing up the driveway. He's scared
S5: to death and his dad comes stomping into the house,
S5: doesn't take his boots off, walks up the stairs, grabs
S5: this guy by the neck and says, you'll never disrespect
S5: me like this again, and throws him through the bifold
S5: doors in the hallway. And of course, he's shocked. His
S5: dad's never done anything like that before. But as this
S5: man began to now much later, decades and decades later,
S5: begin to understand that that relationship at one level or
S5: another formed governing ideas, distorted perspectives of life that led
S5: him to a total fear of conflict. He was in
S5: one of the fastest growing church plants in this region
S5: and he could not deal with strong personalities. He'd run
S5: away from people who lost their cool quickly, and God
S5: began the process then of moving in John 16. Once
S5: he realized how some of these negative responses, dysfunctional behaviors,
S5: and disruptive emotions were formed in his life, he was
S5: able to take that move towards God and begin to
S5: actually experience renewal and change in his life. That's what
S5: we do at Christ's life.
S2: Yeah, it's interesting too. I would imagine that he was
S2: committed to metaphorically shovel snow like a madman so that
S2: the father doesn't come home and throw him through Bifold doors.
S2: I mean, spiritually speaking. Yeah.
S5: I mean, this guy. Without going into too many details,
S5: this guy regarding seminary was at one of the most
S5: prestigious seminaries in America. The guy's brilliant, a brilliant communicator,
S5: drawing people like crazy all over this region to attend
S5: his church. I mean, in every measurable. He was a
S5: tremendous success. And yet at the same time, he was
S5: a slave to performance and a slave to approval.
S2: That's powerful stuff. Governing thoughts, governing ideas. And they're shaped
S2: from early on. I mean, we can't avoid our family
S2: of origin. We can't afford avoid the cultural group we're
S2: raised in. Right, guys? I mean, we can't avoid these things,
S2: but we've got to get alone with God. Greg, I'm
S2: going to say one final thing to you, bro. And
S2: I've ministered with Greg for, I don't know how many years.
S2: Goodness sakes. It's a long time ago. Back down in
S2: little Rock, buddy, when we saw God on fire in
S2: those kids lives. But you know what? The greatest thing
S2: that Greg brought me as a friend, the greatest one
S2: singular thing was he was going through some deep stuff.
S2: I mean, you gotta you gotta understand there is a
S2: story behind Greg Dempster that goes all the way to
S2: England that sometime we got to share. That was wild.
S2: But here's the deal. If we get into this robotic, perfunctory, uh,
S2: response kind of mechanism to God that's born out of
S2: a wrong set of ideas and thinking that is performance
S2: based or in any way approval based or anything. Or
S2: we're just we're on this hamster wheel of death, and
S2: God wants to set us free. Guys, I want you
S2: to check it out. We got a link to something
S2: great for Greg. Let's go for it.
S4: Text life to 800 555 7898. For more on Greg Dempster,
S4: our guest, just text life to (800) 555-7898.
S1: Romans eight brought her to Jesus while broadcasting traffic overnight.
S1: Super die is in the crew. It's curling crew on
S1: Moody Radio.
S2: I've got three, count em. Three, one, two, three. Count em. Three, two, one, one, two, three. However,
S2: you count them up, I got three.
S6: You got three, three.
S2: Three. Carla. Prize packs for someone who is on the
S2: road again. Oh, that was the cue.
S7: There we go, there we go. We got it. There
S7: we go. Come on, Willie.
S8: On the road again. It's Memorial Day weekend. Can't wait
S8: to get on the road again.
S2: How many people on the road?
S8: Super day.
S9: Over 45 million throughout the United States will hit the
S9: roads this weekend. Over 45 million? Yeah.
S2: What were those.
S7: Nut.
S2: Roll things. You'd see signs and you could go.
S7: Pull off.
S2: Stuckey. Remember Stuckey stops.
S3: No.
S9: I think they're still going, aren't they?
S3: Do you.
S9: Mean see.
S2: If Stuckey stops.
S9: You're still out there. You're talking about.
S3: Oh, Stuckey's.
S9: Man.
S2: Stuckey stops. They were like, uh, they were kind of
S2: a they were kind of a food. They were a
S2: role in. You'd chop them up and they had like caramel,
S2: didn't they? And then like almonds or nuts around it anyway,
S2: it was like a nut roll. And they were stucky
S2: and it was like a certain brand of, oh.
S9: I thought you were talking about the road stop.
S2: Well, maybe I'm wrong.
S3: They were pecan log rolls. They they were, they were
S3: a a stop, a roadside stop. But they were.
S2: Stucky, right?
S3: Yeah. They were known for their pecan log rolls.
S2: Well, there you go.
S9: Okay.
S2: Got it.
S4: We're talking about something that's both a rest stop and
S4: a candy.
S9: Yes.
S3: Well it was it was.
S6: Stuckey's.
S3: Pecan log rolls. So it was. It was a pecan.
S2: Was it only pecan? That was it, right.
S3: I don't know, I don't know.
S9: But they were available at Stuckey's. Stuckey's made them famous.
S2: Yes, yes. Stuckey's log rolls. Man.
S9: They had like a colored roof or something.
S3: A blue.
S9: Roof.
S2: Okay. Yeah. And I didn't like him, but it was
S2: a good stop because you got to get out and
S2: run around.
S3: There's a lot of candy in there. It looks like,
S3: from what I'm seeing.
S9: So interesting. Yeah, I think it's a road trip classic, apparently. Yeah, according.
S4: To Stuckey's website.
S3: And they're still around.
S4: The nostalgic treat made with nougat, caramel and Georgia pecans.
S3: What'd you say?
S4: Nougat.
S3: Nougat nugget.
S9: Nougat nugget.
S4: Yeah, you know what I mean.
S2: You'd be nice to her, young thunder.
S9: How often do you use.
S4: Nougat in a sentence?
S3: I don't know.
S4: Ever. Never.
S3: Some. It's got a Three Musketeers. You got fluffy.
S2: You guys stop! You guys stop fighting! No, I didn't
S2: think we'd have that. Just things you didn't think.
S4: You got kids fighting.
S9: In the car?
S2: Yeah. There you go. Things you didn't think you'd hear
S2: on Freedom Friday. Is young Thunder taking on Ali?
S3: I did.
S2: What you say.
S3: Little brother mode for a second.
S2: You did get into that.
S9: You did. That's classic.
S3: Ha! You said the word wrong.
S9: It's nougat.
S10: Ah, mom, she doesn't get it right again.
S9: That's good.
S2: That's very funny.
S9: I'm gonna turn this show around Anyhow.
S2: So, Stuckey, are they still out there? That's my question.
S9: They are 6060 locations.
S3: That's a lot of locations.
S9: United States. Yeah.
S3: I've never seen one. Never been where I've dried.
S2: If you are on the road, if you are on
S2: the road right now. 805 five, five, 78, 98.
S9: Do you have to be.
S4: Headed out of town for Memorial.
S2: Day on the road, headed out of town. 800 555 7898.
S2: That's the rules. If you're headed out of town, then
S2: you don't even have to be heading far. But you are.
S2: It's not down to the grocery store. It's a memorial
S2: day weekend trip if you are on the road again.
S2: I want to get you, Carl and crew prize pack.
S2: So call in. You got to call in right now. 805, five, five,
S2: 7898 805 five, five 7898. Bonus pack. If you've got
S2: a whole bunch of garments and luggage on top of
S2: your car. Because I want a picture of that one.
S3: So people do that stuff where they put the big
S3: thing up on the top of the car.
S2: It's usually a back rack. Now that stuck out of there.
S2: You know there that that tow tow.
S3: Hitch and.
S2: They stick it in there and then there's a bunch
S2: of stuff dangling off of there. But I've seen some
S2: of the craziest stuff driving.
S9: Down the road.
S3: I'm sure.
S9: Wagons anymore.
S2: Well, I mean, still it happens. I'm sure. Different parts
S2: of the nation. (800) 555-7898. We're going to get you right
S2: in here. Uh, Austin, where are you at? Louisiana.
S11: That's right. Well, from Louisiana, but we just crossed over
S11: the state line of Alabama.
S2: Alabama. Roll tide. All right, my man, where are you headed?
S11: We're headed to Lookout Mountain. I'm a youth pastor, and
S11: I got my crew with me. We are headed to
S11: Covenant College.
S2: Oh, Austin. How many? How many kids you got with you?
S11: I have six with us. And if you want to
S11: include adults, too, there's 11 of us total.
S9: Oh that's great, that's awesome. So.
S2: Austin, what a good dude. Austin, stay on the horn.
S2: You're getting a prize pack.
S9: Austin youth pastors have to do such adventurous things. Where
S9: are you going? Load up the car. We're headed to
S9: Georgia for youth camp. That's so cool.
S2: I gotta tell you guys, I did that so many
S2: times when he said that. That was a blast to
S2: the past. He's like, I got youth in the car here. Oh,
S2: is he still on the horn?
S3: I can get him back on the horn.
S2: Get him on the horn. I want to talk to
S2: one of the youth in the car.
S3: Well, you want to talk to one of the youth?
S2: Yeah, I want to talk to one of the student
S2: ministry kids.
S11: You know, it's also one of the teenagers.
S2: Yeah. Let me talk to one.
S11: Oh, this is T-money. You're going to be speaking to T-money.
S4: Pay me money. How old are you?
S11: Hello?
S2: Yeah.
S4: Honey.
S2: How old are you, buddy?
S12: Hey, that's. That's me.
S2: How old are you, bud?
S12: I'm 16.
S13: How old are you, man?
S2: You've got. Okay, you got the radio on in the background,
S2: so you have to tune that down just a little
S2: bit there. All right, so tell me something, my man.
S2: How's your youth pastor driving? Is he keeping it? Keeping
S2: it straight.
S12: He's trying to. He's trying to. He can be a
S12: handful sometimes, too.
S2: He could be a.
S9: Handful sometimes, too.
S3: You know what? That's pretty accurate about a youth pastor.
S2: Oh, yeah, that's absolutely true. Hey, uh, is it t-money
S2: or p money? What's your name.
S12: Sir?
S2: What's your name? What's your name, bro?
S12: My name is Travis.
S2: They call you T-money. Okay. So, Travis, have you. Are
S2: you guys going to take a. Are you going to
S2: take a potty break soon or something like that? Are
S2: you going to take a rest stop? What are you
S2: going to do?
S12: I think we just got to go till he's he's
S12: got to go.
S3: That's right.
S9: That's so true. Gotta go. Oh.
S2: T-money. I love you, man. You got a deep voice, dude.
S2: your voice must have cracked when it was eight years old.
S2: When you were eight years old, you got a deep voice.
S12: And I guess so.
S2: Man, I guess.
S9: So embarrassing.
S4: Him.
S9: In front of all.
S2: These.
S9: Great friends.
S2: T money can handle it. T money can.
S9: Handle. Can hear him in the background.
S4: Giving.
S9: Him a hard.
S2: T money t money. Do you have a crush on
S2: a girl? Don't give her name. But do you have
S2: a crush on a girl right now?
S9: Carl?
S12: Oh, man, they got a crush on me.
S3: Ah! Spoken like a 16 year old boy named T-money
S3: t money.
S2: All right, get off the horn. You messed up our
S2: radio show so beautifully. It's unbelievable. T money. Austin youth
S2: pastor gonna pray for that, bro. Don't leave Austin. You're
S2: getting a prize pack. Okay. Uh, John, in Chicago, you
S2: drive in a youth group around. Hello, John.
S11: Hello. We're here. Hey, Carl. We're actually in Sheffield, Illinois,
S11: on our way back from a 35 day trip out west,
S11: seeing God's beauty in an RV. We're sitting in a
S11: campground listening to you all.
S9: Wow. That's awesome. Way to go, my man.
S2: Stay on the horn. Because when you get home, you
S2: got a Carlin Crew prize.
S9: Pack.
S2: Coming your way on the road again. Give me a
S2: little Willie one more time.
S3: All right.
S2: Gotta have.
S9: Willie.
S2: Gotta have a little Willie.
S3: A little driving song for you.
S2: This is for you. T-money in Austin and John right here.
S8: On the road again.
S2: T-money. You got a good voice. Sing along.
S8: Right now. Can't wait to get on the road again.
S8: Kid's name is Nick. Name is T-money. It's so good,
S8: my friends and I can't wait to get on the
S8: road again.
S2: He's not crushing on girls, but they're crushing on him.
S2: That is classic response.
S3: That's so high school, boy.
S2: All right, guys, enough of this madness. Ali gets us
S2: going down these crazy paths.
S3: I don't know what she thinks of it.
S9: It's me. Yeah, it's definitely me.
S2: Speaking of Ali, we got a question that we want
S2: to tee up. This whole week has been beautiful because
S2: we've been talking about identity in Christ. But the drift
S2: is easy.
S4: It is. And for many, many of us, all of us,
S4: there's a certain mindset shift that we have to fight
S4: against to stay rooted in our identity in Christ. Sometimes
S4: it's laziness. Sometimes it's fear. It's doubt, it's insecurity. It's
S4: people pleasing. What's the mindset shift that you have to
S4: fight against to stay anchored in Christ? 805. 55. 78. 98.
S4: Love to get more of you on the phone. Boy,
S4: it's been good hearing your voices this morning. 800 555. 78. 98.
S1: He was sharing the gospel on the radio. And then
S1: he got saved. Young thunders in the crew. It's Carl
S1: and crew on Moody Radio.
S2: What mindset shift do you have to fight against to
S2: stay anchored in Christ, 800 555 7898 800 555 7898.
S4: Let's go to Pam calling in this morning from Illinois. Pam,
S4: what's that mindset shift that you have to fight against?
S14: Good morning. Thank you. Um, I'm fighting against the grief
S14: of losing my wonderful husband. And I'm I think of.
S14: I think of God. Um, turning his back on me
S14: is how I feel. And because I think of the
S14: Isaiah scripture, am I supposed to keep talking?
S9: Yeah.
S4: Go ahead. We can.
S9: Hear you.
S2: Pam, you got your radio up in the background, so
S2: it's messing you up a little bit, Pam, but you're good.
S14: Oh, I'm still talking.
S2: Yeah. It's okay. Pam. Here, let's just take a break
S2: because I want to hear your thought. Go ahead and
S2: turn down that radio in the background, because there's a
S2: little delay, so it's kind of messing with your head. It.
S2: Would anyone trust me?
S3: Agreed.
S2: All right, Pam, we got you back here. You good?
S14: You good to go? I'm feeling like the scripture of
S14: Isaiah that God has a plan for me, for everybody,
S14: and I. I pray all the born again prayers on
S14: every radio station. And I'm not feeling it. And I
S14: feel like I don't feel the love of Jesus. I
S14: love Jesus, but I feel like, wow, is your plan,
S14: that I'm supposed to be so lonely without my husband?
S14: So that's that's what I'm fighting again.
S2: Hey, this is a unique one, Pam. Number one, I
S2: want you to know that you are in a battle
S2: for your life. Satan wants to isolate you and make
S2: you feel that way. I want you to stay on
S2: the horn. I want to send something to you that's
S2: going to help you. Okay. So I want you to
S2: stay on the horn, and we're going to get we're
S2: going to get some information out to you because that
S2: that is something that God does not want you to have. Pam,
S2: God wants to meet you where you are, and he
S2: wants you to know that he is present. He's real
S2: and that he loves you. And I think you've, uh,
S2: you've gotten yourself, boy. He puts you in a trap there,
S2: and we're going to do all we can to help
S2: you get released. I love that honesty, though. Right, guys?
S4: Yeah.
S9: I mean, yeah.
S4: I think the more honest we can be, the more
S4: we can get the help. That's just what the body
S4: of Christ. But sometimes speaking it out is takes it
S4: out of the shadows. Right.
S2: Big time.
S9: And God can move. Yeah.
S2: Yeah. Guys, what's your story? Pearl? In Oklahoma. What do
S2: you say, Pearl?
S15: Hey. Good morning. I would say the mindset that I
S15: would fight against is my own thoughts that can take
S15: you down a rabbit hole and allowing fear to pull
S15: you into things that that aren't true. And so staying
S15: rooted in the truth of God's word and, um, calling
S15: out to him because the Holy Spirit is our Paraclete,
S15: our comforter, our side by side that does life with us. So, um,
S15: that's I call out to him regularly, uh, and and, uh,
S15: he's faithful to be there. So just don't listen to
S15: your own thoughts.
S2: Yeah. Pearl, I want to tell you something that is
S2: really good. And that's. That's for Pam. That's really sweet.
S2: You know, you. We got a student of the word
S2: here with Pearl, by the way. Coming up here in
S2: a few minutes, we're going to we're going to spike this.
S2: I want to I want to speak to Pam by
S2: way of Pearl. But Pearl's understanding of the role of
S2: the Holy Spirit is so incredibly profound. Wow. We got
S2: time for one more question. What do you say there, Allie?
S4: Yeah. What mindset shift do you have to fight to
S4: stay anchored in Christ? 800 555 7898.
S1: Your shot of hope to help you through the day.
S1: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
S2: When we go through great grief or loss, it can
S2: feel hopeless and helpless. Here's what I've learned after years
S2: of pastoring. This is what I've learned. There is this
S2: huge shift when we move from carrying something alone to
S2: finding one other person to bear our burdens with us.
S2: It's just real. And I want to tell you something, Pam.
S2: Your loss is real. That pain is real, and yet I.
S2: I know that a lot of us. And I'm sure
S2: Pam's in this boat. I can hear it. We sometimes
S2: find ourselves trying to sort through all that pain, all
S2: those anxious thoughts like, Where is God on our own?
S2: And the unique thing is, and this is what I'm
S2: loving about the church in this day and age, I
S2: cannot do what the church can do when we're at
S2: our best. And that's lift each other's arms, guys. I mean,
S2: what do you say, ally?
S4: You know, and I love that. And so I think
S4: the place to begin for Pam, or anyone who's feeling
S4: that sense of loneliness and isolation is a prayer I've
S4: prayed myself. God, can you send me a friend? Yeah.
S4: Can you send me a friend? Send me the right person.
S4: It's okay to pray for that and then start looking.
S4: Because you may not know who that person is, but
S4: ask God to show you.
S2: Yeah, I've attempted on certain in certain seasons of my
S2: life to try to take things alone. And, you know,
S2: just even yesterday I was able to take something on
S2: my heart to my bride at a just a visceral level,
S2: not an informative level, but an emotional level. And I
S2: took it to her and my goodness, you know, you
S2: got to remember this. God gave people two people, and
S2: maybe you don't have a spouse, but you can find
S2: another friend. Ali's right. Pray for a friend and watch
S2: what God can do. For some of you right now
S2: that you feel like you're in Pam's position, you feel
S2: so alone and wonder, Has God abandoned me? He has
S2: not abandoned you. But sometimes one person can help you
S2: see the reality of God's love again.