WEBVTT - Takers, Part 2

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<v S1>We should make every occasion, to make every occasion a

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<v S1>great occasion, for you can never tell when someone may

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<v S1>be measuring you for a larger place.

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<v S2>This is Treasure Truth with pastor and author James Ford Jr.

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<v S2>Senior pastor of Christ Bible Church in Chicago. I'm Steve Miller,

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<v S2>and glad that you're with us today. You know, pastor,

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<v S2>you bring out a great point. You never know who's watching.

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<v S2>You never know who may be evaluating us and what

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<v S2>potential opportunities they may be considering us for.

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<v S3>I've had it happen several times in in my working life.

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<v S3>I recall that I started working for Duquesne Light, which

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<v S3>is the equivalent of Commonwealth Edison because I'm from Pittsburgh.

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<v S3>Shout out to all the Pittsburgh Steelers fans. And you know,

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<v S3>I was a fairly new believer. And when I went

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<v S3>to the job, I decided I would represent Jesus Christ.

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<v S3>So I wasn't a custodian. I was a Christian custodian,

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<v S3>you know, adjective describing the noun, giving it its character.

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<v S3>And so I did the very best job that I

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<v S3>could do. Now, the other custodians wouldn't mop and clean

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<v S3>and keep the place. I kept it spick and span.

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<v S3>I used to work for ServiceMaster Corporation, and so I

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<v S3>did the floors and had them shining, and guys would

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<v S3>come in and walk their muddy boots over. And generally,

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<v S3>you know, I was done with the work. I would

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<v S3>go back and make sure that everything was cleaned up

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<v S3>after them, and I would shake the mud off of

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<v S3>their boots and all that kind of stuff. And, and

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<v S3>they would look and they'd say, what? Who is this guy?

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<v S3>What is he all about? And then, of course, I

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<v S3>would exalt Christ. Well, I didn't know it, but the

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<v S3>boss Bill had been watching me and I got promoted

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<v S3>early And started working on one of the trucks, you know.

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<v S3>And so I started cleaning the truck, and I would

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<v S3>clean everything and straighten it up because I was a

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<v S3>low man. And then they decided I worked so well,

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<v S3>they were going to make me a truck driver. Now,

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<v S3>each of these, my motivation was just to do the

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<v S3>best for Christ. And but each time I got a

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<v S3>promotion and a raise.

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<v S2>It's great how those two things often go together.

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<v S3>Oh, sometimes.

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<v S2>Yeah. Well, that's part of what we're going to be

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<v S2>looking at in today's broadcast. In addition to that, we'll

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<v S2>be looking at some leadership principles and some of the

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<v S2>mistakes that leaders may tend to make. So if you

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<v S2>can hope you'll open your Bible and join us as

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<v S2>we continue a message entitled takers. Here's Pastor Ford.

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<v S1>Acts 16. Now this is the vision beginning in verse

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<v S1>five of a man of Macedonia. Now let's just listen

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<v S1>to this. Uh, no. Verse six. Now, when they had

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<v S1>gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, they were

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<v S1>forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia.

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<v S1>After they were come to Mysia, they attempted to go

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<v S1>into Bithynia, but the spirit suffered them not. And they

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<v S1>passing by Mysia came to Troas. Verse nine. And a

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<v S1>vision appeared to a vision appeared to a vision appeared

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<v S1>to Paul. There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him,

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<v S1>come over into Macedonia and help us listen to this.

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<v S1>And after he had seen the after who? He. Who's he?

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<v S1>Paul had seen the vision. Immediately we. Who's we? The

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<v S1>rest of them all. Nim. Mama nim. Daddy nim. Now

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<v S1>get this. They didn't see the vision, but they embraced it.

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<v S1>They talk about, I don't know.

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<v S4>He always talking about. He see a vision. I don't

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<v S4>know if that's the direction we ought to go. I

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<v S4>ain't feeling that.

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<v S1>You know, in my study of the word of God. Mm.

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<v S1>I say it often, but I'll repeat it. You know

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<v S1>what my problem is? Moses can get the children of

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<v S1>Israel across the Red sea. Joshua can get the children

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<v S1>of Israel across the Jordan River. I can't get some

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<v S1>of y'all to cross 79th Street. That's my problem. Now,

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<v S1>here's what I want you to see. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. This. This.

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<v S1>The introduction. Joshua grew up in the ranks. He grew

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<v S1>up in the ranks. I don't have time to do it.

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<v S1>I'm not going to take time. But here, here's his story.

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<v S1>Here's his story. He started off in Egypt as a

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<v S1>weary slave. Then he became a warrior soldier. Then he

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<v S1>became a. He's fighting the Amalekites. He's. He's one of

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<v S1>the leads fighting the Amalekites. Then he became a worker servant.

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<v S1>He became Moses's right hand man. Then he became a

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<v S1>witness to the scriptures. He went in, and only him

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<v S1>and Caleb came back with a good report. Then he

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<v S1>became a worshiping saint. Where was he stationed? This is

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<v S1>a good place to be stationed as a soldier, because

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<v S1>you're a warrior. But you need to know how to worship.

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<v S1>You know where he was stationed. According to the scripture

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<v S1>I give you in a moment outside the tent of

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<v S1>Moses where Moses went to have his personal devotional time,

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<v S1>his Bible study and prayer. And so he's standing guard.

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<v S1>He's going to be the next in line. And he's

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<v S1>hearing how Moses prayed, and he's seeing how Moses is

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<v S1>writing the Torah, and he hears what Moses is asking

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<v S1>God to do when it comes to his people. Now,

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<v S1>in the book of Joshua, he's a wise sage. He's

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<v S1>a developed leader. He's ready to do the will of God.

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<v S1>Let me give it to you. This way. Here it is.

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<v S1>We first see his humiliation. He's a weary slave. And

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<v S1>then we see his dedication. Then we see his education.

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<v S1>Then we see his maturation. Then we see his validation.

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<v S1>Now we see his administration. You see the. You see

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<v S1>what happened. You see. You see the order that it

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<v S1>went in. And so in Exodus 1714, turn there with me.

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<v S1>What's going on here? Exodus chapter 17. Listen to this.

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<v S1>Listen to it. This blew me away. Hey, elder. Dixon. Hey. Hey,

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<v S1>brother Richie. Brother Betts. All y'all elders in here. Are

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<v S1>you preaching teachers? This is a sermon by itself. Listen

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<v S1>to this. And the Lord said unto Moses, write this

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<v S1>for a memorial in a book, and rehearse it in

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<v S1>the ears of the congregation. Is that what it says?

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<v S1>I was. Look right. There had been no writing, nothing

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<v S1>was written. Everything was oral tradition. So he says, listen,

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<v S1>I want to start writing stuff down so people can

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<v S1>read it. So write it in a book and rehearse

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<v S1>it in Joshua's ear. Do you know what just happened? God,

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<v S1>that's the first time Joshua's name is mentioned in Exodus.

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<v S1>He's saying, here's your successor. Write it down for everybody else.

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<v S1>Rehearse it to him. Man, he's chosen. Now what do

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<v S1>it does? Rehearse. Write the book. And when you rehearse,

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<v S1>tell him I'm going to wipe out the Amalekites. Oh,

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<v S1>wait a minute. What was he, a slave and a soldier.

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<v S1>And what's a soldier need to know? I can win

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<v S1>the victory. So you let him know. I don't want

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<v S1>him to be timid. I don't want him to be afraid.

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<v S1>I want him to know he can possess his possession,

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<v S1>its inheritance, his inheritance. And I want him to understand

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<v S1>that the wealth of the wicked is reserved for the righteous.

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<v S1>I want him to understand that you go out there

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<v S1>and fight this battle. They got swords, they got shields,

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<v S1>you got farming tools. But they don't have me. You

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<v S1>got me. What are you afraid of? I'm bigger than anything.

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<v S1>And everybody that's bigger than you. Man, this. This guy

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<v S1>goes out and he does a number because he got

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<v S1>a promise and he's a taker. Now get this. If

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<v S1>he couldn't take the malachites, how can he take the

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<v S1>Jebusites and the Hivites and the girgashites and the lights

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<v S1>and the mosquito bites and the termites. How are you

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<v S1>going to take all the ites if you can't take

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<v S1>the Amalekites? Huh? I'm what I'm talking about. In a minute.

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<v S1>Here it is. Here's the principle. We should make every occasion.

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<v S1>To make every occasion a great occasion. For you can

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<v S1>never tell when someone may be measuring you for a

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<v S1>larger place. Let me say it again. We should make

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<v S1>every occasion, to make every occasion a great occasion, for

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<v S1>you never can tell when someone may be measuring you

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<v S1>for a larger place. Okay, now let me just go

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<v S1>on record as saying I do not agree with everything Mr.

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<v S1>Barack Obama does. Now, I'll say that readily. And in

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<v S1>another sermon, I'll tell you what I don't agree with,

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<v S1>but for right now, I will respect him, I give him. Now,

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<v S1>let me tell you something. Let me tell you something.

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<v S1>Here's what happened. In 2004, he was elected to the

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<v S1>US Senate for the state of Illinois. Uh, one of

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<v S1>only two US senators. You know, every state gets two, right? Okay.

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<v S1>And so he won. He was so excited. And it

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<v S1>was a profound victory. It was overwhelming. Now remember where

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<v S1>he started on 71st Street in one of our members building?

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<v S1>I remember when he came and visited me and told

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<v S1>me who he was and what he was trying to do.

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<v S1>In 2004, a few months after he was elected in July,

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<v S1>the Democratic National Convention went on and he was the

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<v S1>keynote speaker, and he made a big splash. They went wild. Now,

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<v S1>if you listen to what he said, he said, I

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<v S1>wanted them to know that the, the, the newest senator

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<v S1>and almost the youngest senator in the Senate wasn't no

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<v S1>pushover that I was ready. And so I made this

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<v S1>a great occasion. But he didn't know it. He thought

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<v S1>he was making a great occasion as a senator. Those

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<v S1>people at that National Democratic convention said, uh, that man

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<v S1>could be the president. He could be the first African-American

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<v S1>president of the United States of America. And that's what

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<v S1>he became. You want to know why? Because he took

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<v S1>every occasion to make every occasion a great occasion, just

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<v S1>in case somebody was looking to give him a larger place.

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<v S1>I'll never forget it. Editor Gordon was interviewing Denzel, aren't you?

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<v S1>Aren't you glad? When? When you can know people by

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<v S1>just one name? Denzel. Nobody says Denzel. Who? Beyonce. Beyonce who? Man. Usher.

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<v S1>You know pink. You know, it's like. Like one name. Jesus.

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<v S1>Nobody ever says Jesus. Who? And so here it is.

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<v S1>Here it is now. And Ed Gordon said, uh, Denzel,

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<v S1>tell us which was your greatest movie. And Denzel was

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<v S1>getting ready to say. And anybody ever watch Ed Gordon?

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<v S1>I watch him all the time. He always interrupts them

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<v S1>before they get a chance to answer. He like some

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<v S1>of y'all. Um, can you answer this question for me? Well,

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<v S1>I and I think now. Well, why are you asking

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<v S1>me when you already know? Anyway, so he says, I

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<v S1>bet you it was a glory because that's where you

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<v S1>won your Oscar for Best Supporting Actor. He said, oh,

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<v S1>wait a minute. No, no, I bet you it's training

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<v S1>day because that's where you won the Oscar for Best Actor. No, no,

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<v S1>I bet you I know what it is. It's Malcolm X.

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<v S1>He said, okay, what is it? I've taken my guesses.

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<v S1>What is it? And Denzel said, none of them. He said,

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<v S1>wait a minute. None of them. Is there one we

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<v S1>don't know about that. You look as something that maybe

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<v S1>catapulted you into stardom. No. Will, tell us what's your

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<v S1>best movie? And it wrecked me when I heard it.

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<v S1>Denzel Washington looked in the camera and said, my best

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<v S1>movie is my next one, and gave that grin. You

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<v S1>know that grin? Gave that grin. My next one. Hey,

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<v S1>you don't get it. You don't get it, do you?

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<v S1>You don't see what I'm trying to do? Why did

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<v S1>you talk about the Amalekites? Because that boy had to

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<v S1>be tested. And you gotta be tested if you're going

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<v S1>to be a soldier. And if God's going to give

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<v S1>you a larger place, you gotta be faithful in a

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<v S1>smaller place before he gives you a larger place. And

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<v S1>so what happens if you can't beat the Amalekites? What

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<v S1>are you going to do with the other ice? Now

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<v S1>get this. Here's what the scriptures say in the book

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<v S1>of Luke. He that is faithful in little is faithful

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<v S1>and much. Now here's how I would have wrote this.

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<v S1>This let me tell you how I wrote it. I

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<v S1>would have wrote it this way. He that is faithful

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<v S1>and little shall be. But here's what God is saying

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<v S1>if I can't trust you with a dollar, I know

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<v S1>I can't trust you with ten. If I can't trust

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<v S1>you with a girlfriend, I know I can't trust you

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<v S1>with a wife. If I can't trust you to clean

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<v S1>the apartment, why should I give you a house? You

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<v S1>want a business? You ain't even faithful on the job.

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<v S2>This is treasure truth with Pastor Ford. Really a helpful

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<v S2>how are we managing that? Well, we're going to get

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<v S2>back to this message called takers in just a moment.

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<v S2>As we get back to our message entitled takers. Here

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<v S2>is Pastor Ford.

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<v S1>I had some more statistics, but I didn't even say em.

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<v S1>You know that that retail theft, $43 billion. The number

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<v S1>one theft in retail is employees. Anyway, let me leave

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<v S1>it alone. Let me leave it at all. Yeah, because

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<v S1>it's 18 billion for the movie industry. Want to know why?

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<v S1>Bootleg DVDs. Takers. Anyway, so what's going on here? So?

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<v S1>So here it is. Why should I let you lead

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<v S1>a ministry? And you don't even have come to church?

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<v S1>David didn't know that watching his daddy's sheep was preparation

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<v S1>for watching God's sheep. Now listen, here's what it says.

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<v S1>Exodus 1710. So Joshua did as Moses said. Caveat follow

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<v S1>him as he followed Christ. That's what he was doing.

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<v S1>Here's the principle if you don't know how to lead,

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<v S1>finish it. You heard me say it a lot. You're

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<v S1>not fit to follow. That's right. Joshua learned how to

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<v S1>lead under Moses, and he was ready. I showed you

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<v S1>his process that he went through. I'm not going to

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<v S1>go over it again. But here's the kicker. Here's the

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<v S1>flip side. Elders, deacons, listen to me. Don't get mad.

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<v S1>Listen to me. The flip side is this. Let me

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<v S1>put it in the words of a counseling session I

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<v S1>had here. It is there in the counseling session. And

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<v S1>they're they're angry. I remember when they got married, I

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<v S1>put two chairs out. They they practically sat in one,

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<v S1>pulled them together. Now, after three years, I put two

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<v S1>chairs down and they pull them apart. And so, uh,

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<v S1>I say, what's the issue? She won't follow. I said, well,

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<v S1>you know, the Bible says that you're the leader. You're

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<v S1>the head you ought to follow. You ought to follow, sister.

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<v S1>Why don't you follow it? She looked at him, not me,

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<v S1>and said, I'm not following because he's not going anywhere.

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<v S1>You can't follow a parked car. Now, let me just

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<v S1>say something. Let me just say something, even if that

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<v S1>is true. She did the right thing in the wrong way.

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<v S1>And let me just tell some of you ladies who

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<v S1>want to try to get your husband to counseling. The

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<v S1>reason why a lot of men don't want to come

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<v S1>to counseling is because of what just happened. That is,

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<v S1>they feel that you are going to castrate them in

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<v S1>front of another man that you think has what you

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<v S1>want them to have, that you think they don't. Did

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<v S1>you hear me? That's why you can't get them. Because

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<v S1>you came home.

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<v S4>Talking about your pastor for do this for each other.

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<v S4>You don't call me no. You know, I heard him

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<v S4>say he did this or that.

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<v S1>First of all, you don't know if he's really doing

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<v S1>all that. Second of all, I ain't Pastor Ford. Third

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<v S1>of all, you ain't Sister Ford. Amen. But there was

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<v S1>a point well taken. I'm not going to call her name,

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<v S1>even though she gave me permission because she may not remember.

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<v S1>She gave me permission because with 15 years ago. But

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<v S1>when the sisters came up to me 15 years ago,

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<v S1>she said, Pastor Ford, I don't mean any harm to

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<v S1>you or your elders, but you know what you need

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<v S1>to do. I said, what do I need to do?

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<v S1>I almost called her name and called her name. I

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<v S1>ain't even looking at her right now. She said, take

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<v S1>your elders to the elders store and get a refund.

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<v S1>That's what she said. That's what she said. Why did

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<v S1>she feel that way? Because you can't follow a parked car. Amen. Amen.

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<v S1>And so when you look at what's going on here,

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<v S1>I want to tell you something. I need every elder

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<v S1>I send on an email. I need every elder not

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<v S1>just to read The Turnaround Church by Doctor Perry. I

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<v S1>need them to read the top ten Mistakes Leaders make

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<v S1>by hand. stencil. Don't worry about it. I'll send it

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<v S1>to you. I just want to give them to you

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<v S1>right now. Here they are. Now, I read this book

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<v S1>as a student at Moody. I read it again as

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<v S1>a graduate student at Trinity, but I'm reading it now

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<v S1>again as pastor of Christ Bible Church here. Here's the

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<v S1>ten in a nutshell. Here's the ten top mistakes leaders make.

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<v S1>Here it is number one top down attitude. You're large

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<v S1>and in charge. Big baller shot caller, number one stunner

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<v S1>player player from the Himalaya. And nobody can tell you anything.

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<v S1>Number two, putting paperwork before people work that this is

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<v S1>all about fellowship. We are organism before we're organization. Number three,

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<v S1>the absence of affirmation. Paul in Romans 16 told those

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<v S1>people and get those names. Why? Because he wanted everybody

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<v S1>to know I'm not in this by myself. Some of

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<v S1>you who are ministering, they're not looking for money, but

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<v S1>they are waiting to hear somebody say thank you. I

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<v S1>appreciate you. You're doing a job well done. Here's our tendency.

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<v S1>And let me speak for myself. Here's my tendency. The

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<v S1>folk who are peripheral. That's where you give your time to.

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<v S1>And attention to. But the folk who are there, you know,

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<v S1>are going to stay there. You ignore them. When the

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<v S1>Bible says the periphery of folk, you shouldn't put any

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<v S1>time or treasure on them. That's what it says, teach.

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<v S1>It says. It says, fine. Faithful. Available. Teacher. Second Timothy

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<v S1>222 and the things which thou hast both heard and

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<v S1>seen in me do and the same commit thou to

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<v S1>faithful people, who shall be able to teach others also.

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<v S1>There it is. There it is. That's called discipleship. For

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<v S1>those of you who may not know, here it is.

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<v S1>Here it is. Let me just drop them real quick.

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<v S1>Number four. Uh, mistake. Leaders make no room for mavericks.

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<v S1>I said it on Wednesday. Sometimes we see new people

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<v S1>as an intrusion when God sent them as an infusion. Now.

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<v S1>Not all because some people come from other places where

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<v S1>they got all kind of mess and they bring that

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<v S1>mess in here. And when I hear that mess, I

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<v S1>deal with that mess because it's mess. And we don't

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<v S1>want to be about mess. Amen. Amen. Number five. Dictatorship

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<v S1>and decision making. That is you. It's always got to

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<v S1>be your way or the highway. And when we were

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<v S1>here with Doctor Perry, I'm going to let you in

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<v S1>on on the elder business, even though I ain't supposed to.

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<v S1>I said to them, okay, you know, somebody say, okay,

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<v S1>he's a dictator. Okay, then. And I and I asked

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<v S1>them corporately and individually, somebody tell me some something that

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<v S1>I did that violated your authority as an elder or

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<v S1>a pastor or a bishop in this church and didn't

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<v S1>repent of it. Whenever, whenever I did it. And so

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<v S1>I picked on campus, pastor, I said, Pastor Avery, in

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<v S1>front of all the elders and deacons. I said, what

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<v S1>do they call me over at CBC three? Senior pastor,

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<v S1>I said, what did they call you at CBC three?

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<v S1>Campus pastor, I said, has there been anything where we

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<v S1>have disagreed since we've been there, or a little over

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<v S1>a year at CBC three? He said. Yeah, I said

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<v S1>about eight things now. Of those eight things that weren't biblical,

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<v S1>no book, chapter verse. How many times did I overrule you?

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<v S1>He said none. I said, I never said I like

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<v S1>my way better with doing it. Not one time. And

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<v S1>there ain't no elder in here that can say I

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<v S1>ever did it. Because we have elder role. And that's

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<v S1>what I abide by, because that's our system. We're not

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<v S1>like the other churches where the pastor is responsible for everything.

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<v S1>We have elder rule, and I, for one, respect the

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<v S1>God given policy.

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<v S2>You're listening to Treasure Truth with Pastor Ford. A message

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<v S2>entitled takers and a little insightful look at the way

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