WEBVTT - Middle East Muslim World Update 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:10.910 When some Christians hear the word Muslim, their knee jerk 0:00:10.910 --> 0:00:14.900 response is concerned fear, maybe even resentment. But when the 0:00:14.900 --> 0:00:18.470 Bible says God so loved the world, he includes Muslims 0:00:18.470 --> 0:00:22.400 and God is doing amazing, in some cases miraculous things 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:26.450 throughout the Muslim world, especially in the Middle East. Coming up, 0:00:26.450 --> 0:00:29.660 an update on God's work in the Muslim world. Join 0:00:29.660 --> 0:00:31.860 us now for the land and the book. The one 0:00:31.860 --> 0:00:34.129 hour flyover of the Middle East with our host, Doctor 0:00:34.130 --> 0:00:38.479 Charlie Dyer, noted Old Testament scholar, frequent traveler to Israel. Charlie, 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:39.440 good to connect with you. 0:00:39.470 --> 0:00:41.660 John, it's always good to be talking to you. 0:00:41.659 --> 0:00:43.339 And as I look at the calendar, I note that 0:00:43.340 --> 0:00:46.159 Passover will soon be upon us. One of the traditional 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:50.390 Passover questions is what makes this night different from all others? 0:00:50.390 --> 0:00:53.810 Passover is just an important biblical holiday that has great 0:00:53.810 --> 0:00:57.709 meaning for Jewish people and believers in Jesus. And this 0:00:57.710 --> 0:01:00.020 is a really good question to ask. It seems to me. 0:01:00.170 --> 0:01:01.910 It is a good question to ask. And if you 0:01:01.910 --> 0:01:05.209 want to learn more about what makes Passover so special, well, 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:07.610 our friends at Life in Messiah are offering to mail 0:01:07.610 --> 0:01:11.600 you a free copy of their Messianic Passover Haggadah. The 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:14.539 booklet will lead you through the celebration of Passover to 0:01:14.569 --> 0:01:17.780 see the rich connections to Jesus, our Messiah, and the 0:01:17.780 --> 0:01:20.870 Last Supper. You'll also receive a link for an interactive 0:01:20.870 --> 0:01:24.709 Passover Seder video with the Haggadah and video. You can 0:01:24.709 --> 0:01:28.580 celebrate Passover this year with your family and friends. Now 0:01:28.580 --> 0:01:31.610 to get this free offer, just go to life in Messiah. 0:01:31.819 --> 0:01:34.100 Org and click on the Moody Radio button there to 0:01:34.130 --> 0:01:37.699 find out more and to request your copy. That's life 0:01:37.730 --> 0:01:39.830 in messiah.org. 0:01:39.860 --> 0:01:42.290 Well, let's swing our focus toward current events in the 0:01:42.290 --> 0:01:45.710 Middle East. And of course, earlier this week, Israel launched 0:01:45.709 --> 0:01:49.490 a surprise series of airstrikes against Hamas. What was the 0:01:49.490 --> 0:01:52.370 purpose of this attack? And and what does this mean 0:01:52.370 --> 0:01:55.130 for the war with Hamas? Has it now resumed? 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:57.920 Well, the immediate purpose for the surprise attack was to 0:01:57.980 --> 0:02:01.790 disrupt Hamas's leadership and to pressure the group into releasing 0:02:01.790 --> 0:02:05.960 the remaining hostages. The attack was successful in eliminating several 0:02:05.990 --> 0:02:10.460 key political and military leaders from Hamas and Islamic Jihad. 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:13.730 Hamas is claiming that by attacking Israel broke the cease 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:16.580 fire that was in place, but since the first phase 0:02:16.580 --> 0:02:19.639 of that deal ended on March 1st, Hamas has refused 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:23.870 to release additional Israelis being held. Instead, they've been using 0:02:23.870 --> 0:02:27.590 the time to rebuild their infrastructure. Israel now faces, though, 0:02:27.590 --> 0:02:30.919 a key decision will they resume ground operations in Gaza, 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:34.220 or will they continue striking from the air to pressure Hamas? 0:02:34.250 --> 0:02:37.280 The air campaign isn't as effective, and it allows Hamas 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:40.399 to play the role of victim by displaying the bodies 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.700 of non-combatants killed in the strikes. The world is already 0:02:43.700 --> 0:02:47.120 starting to condemn Israel for the attacks, but many in 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:49.790 Israel are weary of the war, and a ground incursion 0:02:49.790 --> 0:02:54.110 will result in additional Israeli casualties. There's currently a fierce 0:02:54.110 --> 0:02:57.239 debate going on in Israel between those who believe only 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:00.630 force will get Hamas to release the hostages, and those 0:03:00.630 --> 0:03:04.620 who argue Hamas will respond by killing the remaining hostages. 0:03:04.650 --> 0:03:07.170 The one thing that's certain, though, is Hamas will try 0:03:07.169 --> 0:03:10.590 to use the situation to their advantage, unless Israel can 0:03:10.590 --> 0:03:12.270 present a united front. 0:03:12.300 --> 0:03:14.220 Well, Charlie, to the point that you've raised, do you 0:03:14.220 --> 0:03:17.940 think this does result in any slight more willingness on 0:03:17.940 --> 0:03:21.570 the part of Hamas to consider releasing additional hostages? 0:03:22.020 --> 0:03:25.710 Publicly, they would say no. Privately, if Hamas sees that 0:03:25.710 --> 0:03:28.560 it's losing its grip on power, then they'll be willing 0:03:28.590 --> 0:03:31.290 to negotiate. And I do think that those who are 0:03:31.290 --> 0:03:35.220 saying that Hamas only understands force are probably correct. 0:03:35.250 --> 0:03:38.940 Story number two Israel is facing a March 31st deadline 0:03:38.940 --> 0:03:41.610 on a number of crucial votes in the Knesset, including 0:03:41.610 --> 0:03:45.360 the budget, a military draft bill for the ultra-Orthodox and 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:48.750 judicial reform. What might we expect to see happen over 0:03:48.750 --> 0:03:50.100 these days, Charlie? 0:03:50.130 --> 0:03:52.290 You know, sadly, if you watch our Congress, you'll see 0:03:52.290 --> 0:03:55.710 something similar. Just expect to see absolute chaos as the 0:03:55.730 --> 0:03:58.940 current coalition tries to push through all these key bills 0:03:58.940 --> 0:04:02.510 in the short time remaining. Here's one example. The judicial 0:04:02.510 --> 0:04:06.860 reform bill, which increases political control over the appointment of judges, 0:04:06.860 --> 0:04:11.840 has to first deal with over 71,000 specific objections that 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:15.140 were filed by the opposition. Now, these procedural matters were 0:04:15.140 --> 0:04:18.140 mainly designed to delay the bill from coming to a vote. 0:04:18.140 --> 0:04:20.960 And then there's the budget. By law, the budget has 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.930 to be approved by March 31st, or the Knesset is 0:04:23.930 --> 0:04:27.589 automatically dissolved and new elections have to be called. The 0:04:27.589 --> 0:04:30.560 ultra-Orthodox parties have said they won't vote to approve the 0:04:30.589 --> 0:04:34.279 budget unless the Knesset first approves a law exempting the 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:38.539 majority of the ultra-Orthodox from being drafted. Their opposition to 0:04:38.570 --> 0:04:41.960 the budget could cause the current coalition to collapse if 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:44.960 they follow through on that threat. Even with Ben-Gvir and 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:48.349 his party now reentering the coalition, the vote could still 0:04:48.350 --> 0:04:52.430 be razor thin. The majority of Israelis believe all Israelis, 0:04:52.430 --> 0:04:55.839 including the ultra-Orthodox, need to do their part to share 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:59.050 in the burden of military service. And as if these 0:04:59.050 --> 0:05:02.200 major issues aren't enough, well, there's also the discussion over 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:05.049 the firing of the current attorney general and the head 0:05:05.050 --> 0:05:09.909 of Shin Bet, Israel's security services, who opposed Prime Minister Netanyahu. 0:05:09.940 --> 0:05:13.839 Each of these moves will also generate additional controversy and 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:17.589 legal challenges. The current session of the Knesset extends to 0:05:17.620 --> 0:05:20.229 April 2nd, so there will likely be an attempt to 0:05:20.260 --> 0:05:24.130 prioritize getting the budget passed by the March 31st deadline, 0:05:24.130 --> 0:05:27.159 and then to finalize any other remaining items in whatever 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:31.480 time is left. Opposition parties are already testing the water, 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:35.650 looking toward new elections should the current coalition collapse. 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.020 It's the land and the book from Moody Radio with 0:05:38.020 --> 0:05:40.750 our host, Charlie Dyer. I'm John Gager, and as always 0:05:40.750 --> 0:05:42.730 in this opening segment, we take a look at current 0:05:42.730 --> 0:05:46.630 events and what's behind them. Syria's interim president signed into 0:05:46.660 --> 0:05:51.820 law a new constitution enshrining Islamic rule. What impact will 0:05:51.850 --> 0:05:53.860 this decision have on Syria. 0:05:53.890 --> 0:05:57.190 Well, the decision to adopt a new constitution so quickly, 0:05:57.190 --> 0:06:01.330 especially one enshrining Islamic rule, threatens to undo the new 0:06:01.330 --> 0:06:04.840 president's earlier attempts to promote unity. Less than a week 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:08.170 after the Kurds and Druze agreed to join the government, 0:06:08.170 --> 0:06:12.640 both groups appeared dissatisfied with the new constitution. The Kurdish 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:17.200 led group governing northeastern Syria rejected the new constitution outright 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:20.290 and called for it to be rewritten. Their main concern 0:06:20.290 --> 0:06:22.299 is that it doesn't go far enough to protect the 0:06:22.300 --> 0:06:26.770 rights of Syria's diverse communities. It simply replaces one form 0:06:26.770 --> 0:06:31.180 of authoritarianism with another. The brutal murder of thousands of 0:06:31.180 --> 0:06:35.380 Alawites by jihadist fighters connected to the new regime should 0:06:35.380 --> 0:06:38.560 serve as an exclamation point on the danger posed by 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:43.000 another Islamic extremist government in that area. In Geneva, the 0:06:43.029 --> 0:06:46.780 UN special envoy for Syria did urge Syria's new leaders 0:06:46.779 --> 0:06:50.529 to form an inclusive transitional government and to investigate the 0:06:50.529 --> 0:06:54.490 recent sectarian violence, but it's unclear if anything has actually 0:06:54.490 --> 0:06:57.460 been done. This new leader of Syria has switched from 0:06:57.460 --> 0:07:01.000 wearing military fatigues to wearing a suit, and has swapped 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:05.170 his jihadist nom de guerre, Abu Mohammad Al-julani for his 0:07:05.170 --> 0:07:09.700 own real name, Ahmed Ashara. But only time will tell 0:07:09.730 --> 0:07:13.030 if these actions are part of a genuine change in focus, 0:07:13.030 --> 0:07:16.900 or just an attempt to repackage the jihadist brand to 0:07:16.930 --> 0:07:20.350 deceive the West while they continue to consolidate power. 0:07:20.380 --> 0:07:23.830 Story number four the confirmation hearing for Mike Huckabee to 0:07:23.860 --> 0:07:27.430 be the next U.S. ambassador to Israel has been delayed 0:07:27.430 --> 0:07:30.880 until this coming week. I've read just a bit about this, Charlie, 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.880 but what is really causing the delay? And can anything 0:07:33.910 --> 0:07:35.679 be done to help move it forward? 0:07:35.710 --> 0:07:38.830 Well, apparently the delay is being caused by opposition to 0:07:38.860 --> 0:07:42.010 Governor Huckabee on the part of some Democratic lawmakers and 0:07:42.010 --> 0:07:46.510 the liberal Jewish community. Huckabee's strong pro-Israel stance, along with 0:07:46.510 --> 0:07:49.900 his willingness to use terms like Judea and Samaria rather 0:07:49.900 --> 0:07:53.320 than West Bank, upset those who are not as supportive 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:56.050 of Israel. In addition, there are some who object to 0:07:56.080 --> 0:08:00.280 having an evangelical Christian rather than someone who's Jewish, serving 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:03.610 as US ambassador to Israel. Now, I find this sad, 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:06.790 because Governor Huckabee has shown himself to be a strong 0:08:06.790 --> 0:08:10.240 friend and supporter of the nation of Israel. Now, thankfully, 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:14.020 there are some, like Democratic Senator John Fetterman from Pennsylvania, 0:08:14.020 --> 0:08:17.320 who seem willing to reach across the aisle and support 0:08:17.350 --> 0:08:22.810 Huckabee's nomination. Most Israelis appreciate his consistent support, including his 0:08:22.810 --> 0:08:25.840 willingness to take a stand for the Jewish people following 0:08:25.870 --> 0:08:30.820 Hamas's brutal attack on October 7th. So what can we do? Well, first, 0:08:30.820 --> 0:08:33.340 we need to be praying for his confirmation hearing, which 0:08:33.340 --> 0:08:36.460 is now scheduled to begin this coming week. And if 0:08:36.460 --> 0:08:39.790 you feel led to write to your senators expressing support 0:08:39.790 --> 0:08:44.380 for having Governor Huckabee appointed as our ambassador to Israel. 0:08:44.410 --> 0:08:48.280 Well, an Israeli startup has developed an artificial intelligence system 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:52.840 to help airports dramatically reduce flight delays by 50%. Well, 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:55.690 that sounds good to me, Charlie. How exactly does this 0:08:55.690 --> 0:08:57.070 new system work, though? 0:08:57.100 --> 0:08:59.590 Yeah, I'm with you, John. As a frustrated flyer, this 0:08:59.590 --> 0:09:02.920 story definitely got my attention. Anyone who's done a lot 0:09:02.950 --> 0:09:06.580 of flying, especially recently, knows that flight disruptions and delays 0:09:06.580 --> 0:09:09.880 have increased over the last few years. And that's where 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:15.939 this Jerusalem based startup called Intel Act. Intel Capital Act 0:09:16.030 --> 0:09:19.300 might just be the right technology program at the right time, 0:09:19.300 --> 0:09:24.400 using artificial intelligence and a video classification algorithm that integrates 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:28.900 with an airport's IT platform and their CCTV infrastructure, it 0:09:28.900 --> 0:09:32.560 detects service anomalies in real time to predict and resolve 0:09:32.590 --> 0:09:37.000 bottlenecks and service delays. It also tracks every step in 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:40.300 the turnaround process, from cleaning a plane to unloading and 0:09:40.300 --> 0:09:45.730 loading cargo, refueling, restocking supplies, unloading and loading passengers, and 0:09:45.730 --> 0:09:49.150 then at each step, it provides actionable steps to improve 0:09:49.150 --> 0:09:52.900 that time. Now, while it can't resolve every problem like 0:09:52.900 --> 0:09:56.860 weather delays or equipment malfunctions, it can help smooth out 0:09:56.860 --> 0:10:00.910 the on time arrival and departure schedule. After testing the 0:10:00.910 --> 0:10:04.000 system in Tel Aviv with El Al, the company has 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:07.390 signed a large contract to deploy the system at three 0:10:07.420 --> 0:10:10.720 major airports in Europe. They've also signed on to do 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:15.250 a pilot program at Miami International Airport here in the States. Someday, 0:10:15.250 --> 0:10:17.800 and hopefully soon, you'll be able to head to the 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:21.130 airport with greater assurance that your flight will depart and 0:10:21.130 --> 0:10:24.880 arrive on time. With help from the artificial intelligence software 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:29.140 program developed by intellect out of Amazing Israel. 0:10:29.170 --> 0:10:31.300 So you're saying, Charlie, not only might we be able 0:10:31.300 --> 0:10:33.280 to fly the friendly skies, but they might be the 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:34.900 timely skies as well. 0:10:34.929 --> 0:10:36.430 Oh, let's hope so, John. 0:10:36.460 --> 0:10:39.250 And that's a look at current events. Thank you Charlie. Well, 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:40.569 you know, a lot of people have a knee jerk 0:10:40.570 --> 0:10:44.380 reaction to the rise of Islam in their neighborhoods. But 0:10:44.380 --> 0:10:46.630 God so loved the world, and we're about to get 0:10:46.630 --> 0:10:49.000 some updated stories on what God is doing in the 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.550 Muslim world. In the Middle East, stories you'll be sharing 0:10:51.550 --> 0:10:54.490 around the dinner table tonight, right here on the land 0:10:54.490 --> 0:11:11.710 and the book. When some Christians hear the word Muslim, 0:11:11.710 --> 0:11:16.270 their knee jerk response is concerned fear, maybe even resentment. 0:11:16.300 --> 0:11:19.000 When the Bible says God so loved the world, he 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:22.240 intended that to include Muslims. Every last one of them. 0:11:22.270 --> 0:11:24.280 And the headline that many of us seem to miss 0:11:24.309 --> 0:11:28.030 is that God is doing amazing, in some cases, miraculous 0:11:28.059 --> 0:11:32.230 things throughout the Muslim world and including the Middle East, 0:11:32.230 --> 0:11:35.470 where we're headed next for an on the ground update. Hey, 0:11:35.470 --> 0:11:37.390 I'm glad you've joined us today for the land of 0:11:37.390 --> 0:11:39.880 the book. Pretty sure that you'll feel the same way 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.310 after you hear the encouraging stories coming your way. In 0:11:42.309 --> 0:11:45.280 this segment, I'm John Gager, and before we start with 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:48.099 story number one, here's a quick thought about how you 0:11:48.100 --> 0:11:51.160 and I can lovingly share Jesus with the Muslim friends 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:54.310 that are at work in our neighborhood, maybe down the street. 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:57.220 So you'd like to reach out to a muslim coworker 0:11:57.220 --> 0:12:01.480 or friend or neighbor, but the hijab itself just scares you, 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:05.020 intimidates you. What do you do? Lina Abujamra, born in Lebanon, 0:12:05.020 --> 0:12:08.170 is a pediatric ER doctor, author of resolved. What do 0:12:08.170 --> 0:12:08.650 we do? 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.470 Ask the story behind the person. I mean, I think 0:12:11.470 --> 0:12:14.050 this is the number one breaker of walls. 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:15.459 Wait, you can't say, why are you wearing that? 0:12:15.490 --> 0:12:17.650 No. That's the story of the life of the person, 0:12:17.650 --> 0:12:19.810 not about the hijab that comes after, you know, you 0:12:19.809 --> 0:12:21.490 can ask them, hey, you know what? Why do you 0:12:21.490 --> 0:12:23.080 wear this hijab? I think so many of us are 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:26.380 afraid to ask the obvious. When we were intense ministering 0:12:26.380 --> 0:12:29.740 in Lebanon recently, we sat down and the Arab woman 0:12:29.740 --> 0:12:33.550 asked my American team, ask us questions and my guide, 0:12:33.550 --> 0:12:35.199 who was with us, kind of the middle person who's 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.089 always there, had warned us, you know, just kind of 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.280 go with the flow. But the women are begging us, 0:12:39.309 --> 0:12:42.250 ask us questions about our lives, ask us who we are. 0:12:42.340 --> 0:12:45.240 So try to ignore that hijab and get to know 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:47.130 the person behind it. What do you need to ask? 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:49.439 Ask about their kids. Ask about their husbands. Ask them 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.359 where they're from. Ask them what they like to do 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:52.110 for fun. 0:12:52.140 --> 0:12:55.500 Lina. That sounds remarkably like a normal conversation. 0:12:56.100 --> 0:12:58.440 It might be hard for some people. John I don't 0:12:58.470 --> 0:13:00.300 know how you do with that, but. Yeah. Yeah, that's 0:13:00.300 --> 0:13:01.770 exactly what I'm going for here. 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:03.600 Well, you know, and that really strikes at the heart, 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:05.460 I think, of some of our fears that need not 0:13:05.460 --> 0:13:08.490 be fears. A normal conversation is a great conversation to have. 0:13:08.490 --> 0:13:08.969 You're saying. 0:13:08.970 --> 0:13:11.430 Yeah. And be willing to admit if you don't know, like, hey, 0:13:11.460 --> 0:13:13.380 I'm not sure I'm going to offend you if I 0:13:13.380 --> 0:13:16.050 say this or, you know, apologize if you do. And 0:13:16.050 --> 0:13:18.240 I think most people you know who grow up into 0:13:18.270 --> 0:13:20.550 adulthood in the United States have some basic, you know, 0:13:20.580 --> 0:13:22.410 you know, not to say certain things when you're in 0:13:22.410 --> 0:13:24.569 the TSA line. You know what? You know what I mean? 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.420 You just get those natural instincts to follow the lead 0:13:27.420 --> 0:13:29.130 of the spirit. And the more you do it, the 0:13:29.130 --> 0:13:30.570 easier it becomes. 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.810 A normal conversation. Think about that when you think about 0:13:33.809 --> 0:13:38.790 your Muslim friend. Thanks, Lina. Stefano Ferrer is the president 0:13:38.790 --> 0:13:42.030 of call of Hope, U.S. for more than a century, 0:13:42.059 --> 0:13:45.270 call of Hope has been making the gospel accessible to 0:13:45.300 --> 0:13:50.610 Muslims through creative media, relational evangelism, humanitarian aid, and church 0:13:50.610 --> 0:13:54.449 planting initiatives in more than 20 years of ministry. Stefanos 0:13:54.450 --> 0:13:57.780 travels have taken him throughout the Middle East, Africa, India 0:13:57.780 --> 0:14:01.020 and Southeast Asia. He lives in Germany with his wife 0:14:01.020 --> 0:14:03.630 and their two children. It's great to have you back 0:14:03.630 --> 0:14:05.820 on the land in the book. It's been too long, Stefano. 0:14:05.970 --> 0:14:09.179 Thank you. John. I'm excited to be here. Yeah. 0:14:09.210 --> 0:14:12.570 I love your enthusiasm always. But back to that first question. 0:14:12.570 --> 0:14:15.750 Why do so many of us believers still feel a 0:14:15.750 --> 0:14:19.140 sense of fear when it comes to our Muslim neighbors? 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:23.880 Well, I mean, I do understand that we watch the news, 0:14:23.910 --> 0:14:28.200 we hear all the bad things happening all around the world. 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:33.540 We hear the reports about persecuted Christians, and we just 0:14:33.540 --> 0:14:38.460 feel that Muslims are violent, that Muslims are against us, 0:14:38.490 --> 0:14:43.290 that Muslims want to do this and that against us. 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:46.290 I think this is what we hear, and we forget 0:14:46.290 --> 0:14:53.250 that Muslims are actually people who are just misled by Islam. 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:57.540 You know what they do even when they do attacks 0:14:57.570 --> 0:15:01.980 or terrorism attacks, they think they do the right thing. 0:15:01.980 --> 0:15:06.450 They think they please Allah. And we have to understand 0:15:06.450 --> 0:15:10.050 that they are just misled and that we need to 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:12.360 tell them the truth and we need to love them. 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:15.810 I think love here is just the key. 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:17.729 All right, let's jump to the chase for somebody listening 0:15:17.730 --> 0:15:19.710 right now who says, you know what? I'm one of 0:15:19.710 --> 0:15:22.530 those frightened ones, John, that you're talking about. Stefano, what's 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:25.410 a good first step for them to take to pray? 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:28.170 Really? I mean, this is what I really think. Pray 0:15:28.170 --> 0:15:32.610 how you can only reach out to Muslims or even 0:15:32.610 --> 0:15:36.630 communicate with Muslims in a in a good way if 0:15:36.630 --> 0:15:39.330 you are able to love them. But I am not 0:15:39.330 --> 0:15:41.730 able to love laugh now. I'm only able to laugh 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:44.520 now when I pray to the Lord that he might 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:47.580 pour out this love into my heart. That's really the 0:15:47.580 --> 0:15:50.220 first thing I need to do that I asked the Lord, 0:15:50.220 --> 0:15:54.060 help me to love and help me to get a 0:15:54.060 --> 0:15:56.880 different view. That's really the first thing we should do. 0:15:56.880 --> 0:16:00.180 And then I think the Lord gives us opportunities. You know, 0:16:00.210 --> 0:16:04.110 when we go with such a prayerful heart, then I 0:16:04.110 --> 0:16:07.560 see my friend, or I see my colleague, or I 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:11.430 see my neighbor and and these people feel it. Believe me, 0:16:11.430 --> 0:16:16.530 they feel when you love them. In Lebanon, for example, 0:16:16.530 --> 0:16:21.120 one of our co-workers, he works with blind and disabled, 0:16:21.180 --> 0:16:25.830 and he goes into Hizbollah family's homes. You know, and 0:16:25.830 --> 0:16:28.980 I always ask myself how. I mean, they hate him. 0:16:28.980 --> 0:16:32.160 He's a Christian. How is that possible? And then I 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:36.990 understand that they feel that he loves them, you know, 0:16:37.020 --> 0:16:39.630 and that he is really there because he wants to 0:16:39.660 --> 0:16:42.360 show them love. Well, he actually also tells them I 0:16:42.390 --> 0:16:44.400 come in the name of Jesus. He's not hiding that. 0:16:44.970 --> 0:16:48.180 But they feel the love. So I think when we 0:16:48.210 --> 0:16:50.880 are out on the road here and people feel we 0:16:50.910 --> 0:16:53.820 are not against them, we are open. Yes, we are 0:16:53.820 --> 0:16:57.210 interested in them. We might even invite them for a 0:16:57.210 --> 0:17:00.120 coffee or at least ask them how you are. What 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:02.910 are you doing? How is your job that makes all 0:17:02.910 --> 0:17:07.980 the difference? And they feel if this is true or 0:17:07.980 --> 0:17:08.669 it's not. 0:17:08.700 --> 0:17:11.340 Yeah, yeah, you're so right. I mean, you can't crank 0:17:11.369 --> 0:17:13.590 that up. You can't fake it. You either love them 0:17:13.590 --> 0:17:15.810 or you don't. And as you say, the source of 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.210 that love is Jesus himself. We're not going to whip 0:17:18.210 --> 0:17:21.300 that up ourselves. What God is doing today in the 0:17:21.300 --> 0:17:24.570 Muslim world. That's our conversation today on the land and 0:17:24.570 --> 0:17:28.470 the book with Stefano Ferrer. He serves with call of Hope, U.S. 0:17:28.500 --> 0:17:31.080 you are just back from Lebanon. Tell us a favorite 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:32.400 story that comes to mind. 0:17:32.940 --> 0:17:36.720 I was in Lebanon and I was preaching in a 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:43.560 service only with Muslim background believers. We have around 4000 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:46.890 Muslim background believers during the last few years I was 0:17:46.890 --> 0:17:51.690 preaching there. I talked about the trust in Jesus and 0:17:51.690 --> 0:17:54.690 I just ended with an a man and an old 0:17:54.690 --> 0:17:57.869 woman stands up and she was telling me, well, she's 0:17:57.869 --> 0:18:03.119 the neighbor of our pastor there, and she's from Hezbollah. 0:18:03.150 --> 0:18:07.650 You know, um, her two brothers are Hezbollah fighters. And 0:18:07.650 --> 0:18:12.150 then she was telling me about the war happening in September, 0:18:12.180 --> 0:18:18.450 October in Lebanon. She told me that so many rockets came, well, very, 0:18:18.450 --> 0:18:23.250 very close to her home. One house got exploded and 0:18:23.250 --> 0:18:26.400 she was full of fear during the night. Her brothers 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:31.140 were there. She was so fearful, anxious. And she thought, well, 0:18:31.140 --> 0:18:34.080 I'm just looking for the Christians. Maybe they are still there. 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:38.520 And she went to the neighboring House visiting our pastor 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:41.580 and his wife, and she told them, hey, why are 0:18:41.580 --> 0:18:44.400 you still here? As Christians, you can flee. You can 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:48.149 go to secure areas. Why are you here? And Pastor 0:18:48.150 --> 0:18:52.290 Touma told her, well, number one, because we don't want 0:18:52.290 --> 0:18:55.440 to leave you all here alone. We are here to 0:18:55.470 --> 0:19:00.270 help you. But secondly, we are here because we trust 0:19:00.270 --> 0:19:04.679 in Jesus. And she said, trust in Jesus. What do 0:19:04.680 --> 0:19:07.470 you mean? And he explained it to her that Jesus 0:19:07.470 --> 0:19:11.910 is with them and that he leads their life. And moreover, 0:19:11.940 --> 0:19:14.760 that's the name of this woman. She looked at him 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:18.900 and she said, wow, I wish I could also trust 0:19:18.900 --> 0:19:22.110 in this Jesus. Like this. And that was the beginning. 0:19:22.109 --> 0:19:25.920 And from that onwards she came to the service. And 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:29.129 now when I met her, she had given her life 0:19:29.130 --> 0:19:33.389 already to Jesus. Wow. But the start was this. I 0:19:33.390 --> 0:19:36.830 want to trust this Jesus. is, how can this Christians 0:19:36.830 --> 0:19:39.560 do that, you know, and stay so calm. And I 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:44.780 think the Lord really gave fruit out of this willingness 0:19:44.780 --> 0:19:48.830 of our pastor there to stay. And of course, that 0:19:48.830 --> 0:19:51.320 wasn't him. That was the Lord giving it to him. 0:19:51.350 --> 0:19:53.630 But that goes back to your very, very first point, 0:19:53.630 --> 0:19:57.200 this idea of loving the people. She sensed that love. 0:19:57.200 --> 0:19:59.780 That's not phony. You can't crank that up. They're staying 0:19:59.780 --> 0:20:02.450 in the middle of bombs. And that communicated a whole lot. 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:06.140 Absolutely. And you know, it's the Lord helping there. Because 0:20:06.140 --> 0:20:08.960 I remember when all these bombs came past the tumor, 0:20:08.990 --> 0:20:12.350 our co-worker, he called me and he said, well, Stefano, listen, 0:20:12.350 --> 0:20:15.410 tomorrow I will be gone. I need to leave that place. 0:20:15.410 --> 0:20:18.650 And I said, hey, yes, you're free to move, please. 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:21.320 Next morning I called him and I said, where are you? 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:23.180 And he said, what do you mean? I said, where 0:20:23.210 --> 0:20:25.460 are you now? So he said, well, I'm at work. 0:20:25.490 --> 0:20:27.530 I said, well, but yesterday night you told me you 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:28.970 were going to flee. He said, no, no, no, no, 0:20:28.970 --> 0:20:31.940 forget about it. I'm very sure the Lord is with me. 0:20:31.970 --> 0:20:34.760 We are needed here. We will stay, You know, that's 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:36.470 the Lord just helping. Through. 0:20:36.500 --> 0:20:40.370 Stefano affair travels regularly throughout the Middle East, Africa, India, 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:43.760 Southeast Asia. He joins us today on the land and 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:45.740 the book to share what he's seeing in the Middle East. 0:20:45.770 --> 0:20:47.899 We've heard for some time now that God often speaks 0:20:47.900 --> 0:20:51.710 to Muslims in dreams and visions, maybe appearing as a 0:20:51.710 --> 0:20:54.020 white angel, that sort of thing. And some wonder why 0:20:54.050 --> 0:20:57.680 God chooses to speak to Muslims in this supernatural way. 0:20:57.680 --> 0:20:58.550 Your thoughts. 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:03.740 But you know, I'm sure that is happening, especially in 0:21:03.740 --> 0:21:08.030 cases where people cannot be reached, where it is just 0:21:08.030 --> 0:21:13.640 not possible. But frankly speaking, what we see the most 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:16.370 is that people are reached with the Word of God. 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:18.800 This is just what I see, of course, and in 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:21.440 many cases this is possible. And then the Lord is 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:25.070 using you and me and the missionaries out there to 0:21:25.100 --> 0:21:29.600 share His Word. But the Lord can do everything you know, 0:21:29.630 --> 0:21:32.540 and he has every way. And and I also saw that. 0:21:32.540 --> 0:21:36.470 But we have to be careful just to think about 0:21:36.470 --> 0:21:40.639 these supernatural ways. In many cases, the Lord just wants 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:44.210 to use us and wants to get us into it. 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:46.250 All right. Take us to another favorite story of yours, 0:21:46.250 --> 0:21:48.770 whether it's Lebanon, whether it's somewhere else in the Middle East. 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:51.710 A story that has God's signature written all over it. 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:55.700 You know, when I was a few weeks ago in Lebanon, 0:21:55.700 --> 0:21:59.510 I met so many people who just received the Lord 0:21:59.510 --> 0:22:04.699 Pastor Toma. He visited all these refugees. You know, around 0:22:04.700 --> 0:22:10.310 1.5 million Hezbollah people left their homes and were on 0:22:10.310 --> 0:22:13.370 the move. I mean, just think about it. 5.5 million 0:22:13.369 --> 0:22:17.060 in the country, 1.5 are on the move. And he 0:22:17.060 --> 0:22:21.770 met with so many of them and he told them 0:22:21.770 --> 0:22:27.109 his story. He is a Christian but nominal Christian background. 0:22:27.109 --> 0:22:32.330 And he always tells them, I hated you Muslims because 0:22:32.330 --> 0:22:36.440 you killed my grandmother, my brother. In the Civil War, 0:22:36.470 --> 0:22:39.320 many of my uncles, I hated you. I wanted to 0:22:39.350 --> 0:22:42.830 kill you. Wow. But then the law touched my heart. 0:22:42.830 --> 0:22:46.220 I understood that the Lord loves me. And I gave 0:22:46.220 --> 0:22:48.710 my life to Jesus. And then I understood that he 0:22:48.710 --> 0:22:51.350 also loves Muslims. This is what he usually tells them. 0:22:51.350 --> 0:22:54.020 And he said, my heart got changed. And there was 0:22:54.020 --> 0:22:57.800 a guy called Hussein. Hussein listened to that and then 0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:02.360 he said, I always hated you Christians. I hated you 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:09.470 so much. But now I understand that you Christians have 0:23:09.500 --> 0:23:14.780 a different heart than I have. And can you help 0:23:14.780 --> 0:23:20.330 me to get this different heart? And that was the 0:23:20.330 --> 0:23:24.920 start that they discussed with each other. And this guy 0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:28.850 actually was an imam. I mean, he was a religious 0:23:28.850 --> 0:23:33.950 leader After a few weeks he comes to church and 0:23:33.950 --> 0:23:38.360 Brother Thoma, as always, asked the people, well, if somebody 0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:41.270 wants to give his life to Jesus today, then stand up. 0:23:41.540 --> 0:23:46.220 And this religious leader stands up and says, well, I 0:23:46.220 --> 0:23:50.780 want everybody here to hear that I gave my life 0:23:50.780 --> 0:23:53.390 to Jesus and that I trust him, and that I 0:23:53.390 --> 0:23:57.380 know that he will bring me into Paradise. You know, 0:23:57.410 --> 0:24:01.190 I mean, you cannot make up such stories. And this 0:24:01.190 --> 0:24:05.990 is happening right now with these refugees. You know, many 0:24:05.990 --> 0:24:10.550 of these Hezbollah people are they are down now. They 0:24:10.550 --> 0:24:15.410 understood that all of this Islam, they always were running 0:24:15.410 --> 0:24:19.190 behind their leaders. Their leaders are not there anymore. Many 0:24:19.190 --> 0:24:23.330 of them, you know that. And now they understand. Hey, 0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:26.090 something is wrong here and we need to find something else. 0:24:26.090 --> 0:24:28.790 And then they see the Christians and they see, how 0:24:28.820 --> 0:24:30.260 these Christians are different. 0:24:30.290 --> 0:24:33.590 Yeah. Well, how would you guide listeners to pray for 0:24:33.590 --> 0:24:36.680 the Muslim world with more intensity, more of a laser focus? 0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:39.740 How can we sharpen our prayers right where we are 0:24:39.740 --> 0:24:41.270 now in this time in history? 0:24:41.300 --> 0:24:44.449 Well, number one is get informed. I mean, there are 0:24:44.450 --> 0:24:48.710 so many ministries out there which work among Muslims, either 0:24:48.710 --> 0:24:53.750 call of Hope or any other ministry. Get informed because 0:24:53.750 --> 0:24:57.980 if you just pray like oh Lord, please touch them. No. 0:24:58.010 --> 0:25:02.389 Pray for specific people. Ask the Lord to touch your heart. 0:25:02.420 --> 0:25:04.820 You know, this is what I always see, that many 0:25:04.820 --> 0:25:09.230 of our prayer partners are very attached to a certain person. 0:25:09.230 --> 0:25:12.320 And they asked me and said, well, you reported about 0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:15.170 this and that person, how is he now? How did 0:25:15.170 --> 0:25:19.340 he develop? Right. Because I pray for him since two months, 0:25:19.340 --> 0:25:21.890 every day. I think that makes the difference that you 0:25:21.890 --> 0:25:27.020 can pray specifically for a person, for a situation. But 0:25:27.020 --> 0:25:28.909 of course you can only do that when you are 0:25:28.910 --> 0:25:29.629 well informed. 0:25:29.660 --> 0:25:33.740 Yeah, pray specifically for a specific person. Great advice from 0:25:33.740 --> 0:25:36.560 Stefano Fier, who's with call of Hope us. There's a 0:25:36.560 --> 0:25:40.910 link to his website at ours. The land and the book. Org. Man, 0:25:40.910 --> 0:25:42.890 I hate it when I see the clock going away 0:25:42.890 --> 0:25:45.109 like it is, because you're just a blessing and we 0:25:45.140 --> 0:25:46.100 sure appreciate your story. 0:25:46.130 --> 0:25:49.460 Stefano, thank you so much that it was possible for 0:25:49.460 --> 0:25:50.510 me to share today. 0:25:50.510 --> 0:25:52.490 And there's more to come on the land and the book. 0:25:52.520 --> 0:26:07.280 You know what's next? Questions and answers right here. Welcome 0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:09.409 back to the land and the book. If you're new 0:26:09.410 --> 0:26:12.260 to the program, we divide the hour up into four 0:26:12.260 --> 0:26:15.919 different segments. Number one, current events. Number two, Ministry in 0:26:15.920 --> 0:26:18.740 the Middle East. A conversation with somebody who's making a difference. 0:26:18.770 --> 0:26:21.350 Segment three where we're at right now, it's all about 0:26:21.350 --> 0:26:24.739 your questions as you study the scriptures. And segment four 0:26:24.770 --> 0:26:27.320 if you're curious, it's a devotional from our host, Doctor 0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:31.160 Charlie Dyer, but answering the questions that come our way 0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:35.150 is Doctor Gerald Peterman, longtime faculty member at Moody Bible Institute. 0:26:35.180 --> 0:26:38.690 A great friend of this broadcast, a friend of mine personally, 0:26:38.690 --> 0:26:40.490 and we're looking forward to what you got to share 0:26:40.490 --> 0:26:41.119 with us today. 0:26:41.150 --> 0:26:42.350 Well, thank you, sir. Me too. 0:26:42.380 --> 0:26:45.260 Quick thought here, though. What does Passover mean for us 0:26:45.260 --> 0:26:48.679 as believers in Jesus? Some remember the story from the 0:26:48.680 --> 0:26:51.470 book of Exodus, but there's so much more to it. 0:26:51.500 --> 0:26:53.810 Did you know that the Last Supper was actually a 0:26:53.810 --> 0:26:58.400 Passover meal? Not only did Jesus and his disciples celebrate Passover, 0:26:58.400 --> 0:27:02.900 it also foreshadowed his death on the cross for our redemption. Now, 0:27:02.900 --> 0:27:05.090 Jewish people, of course, have been observing the feast of 0:27:05.090 --> 0:27:09.649 Passover for thousands of years. Understanding the history. The importance 0:27:09.650 --> 0:27:12.080 of this holiday, though, will help you better connect with 0:27:12.080 --> 0:27:15.050 your Jewish friends and neighbors. And boy, what better way 0:27:15.050 --> 0:27:17.870 is there to learn about Passover than to experience a 0:27:17.869 --> 0:27:22.730 Passover Seder for yourself? If you have never celebrated Passover well, 0:27:22.730 --> 0:27:25.370 our friends at Life in Messiah would love to partner 0:27:25.369 --> 0:27:29.210 with you in hosting a Seder experience. Every year, their 0:27:29.210 --> 0:27:33.139 staff engage churches and small groups in an interactive Messiah 0:27:33.140 --> 0:27:37.399 in the Passover Seder, allowing participants to taste, to touch, 0:27:37.430 --> 0:27:40.639 to see the redemption story. And if you're interested and 0:27:40.640 --> 0:27:43.250 you'd like to have somebody lead a Seder in your area, 0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:47.060 visit Life in messiah.org and click on the Moody Radio 0:27:47.060 --> 0:27:51.320 button there to learn more. That's life in messiah.org. And 0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:54.980 as always, no shortage of questions. Doctor Gerald Peterman, whose 0:27:54.980 --> 0:27:57.800 Bible is open. There's a smile on his face. So 0:27:57.800 --> 0:28:00.440 I guess I'll just get right to it. Right? Good. 0:28:00.470 --> 0:28:00.800 Good. 0:28:00.830 --> 0:28:03.199 All right. Here's one from Joy. She says, I'm studying 0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:06.770 revelation and have a question about chapter 12, verses seven 0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:09.890 and eight. I always thought this was talking about the 0:28:09.890 --> 0:28:13.189 initial war in heaven, but in studying various commentaries, they 0:28:13.190 --> 0:28:16.070 talk about it being in the middle of the tribulation, 0:28:16.070 --> 0:28:19.460 where Satan is no longer given access to heaven. However, 0:28:19.460 --> 0:28:22.939 one commentary said that this occurred when Jesus ascended to 0:28:22.970 --> 0:28:25.790 heaven after his death. So what are your views on 0:28:25.790 --> 0:28:26.360 all this? 0:28:26.390 --> 0:28:29.450 Well, first, I'm really glad you're studying revelation. We ought 0:28:29.450 --> 0:28:33.200 to do it more often, I think. Daniel Green, in 0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:36.709 his commentary on revelation found in the Moody Bible Commentary, 0:28:36.740 --> 0:28:41.120 gets this right. So from revelation chapter six, verse one, 0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:44.630 all the way to the end of chapter 18, that 0:28:44.630 --> 0:28:48.500 large section talks about the tribulation period when God will 0:28:48.500 --> 0:28:52.190 carry out his wrath toward sinners and bring Israel to himself. 0:28:52.220 --> 0:28:56.180 The perspective changes back and forth during those chapters. Sometimes 0:28:56.180 --> 0:29:00.350 a perspective from earth, sometimes from heaven. And then after 0:29:00.350 --> 0:29:03.229 the verses you mentioned joy, we find this. Now a 0:29:03.230 --> 0:29:07.040 war arose in heaven. Michael and his angels fighting against 0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:10.100 the dragon, and the dragon and the angels fought back. 0:29:10.100 --> 0:29:13.070 But he was defeated, and there was no longer a 0:29:13.070 --> 0:29:15.470 place for him in heaven. And the great dragon was 0:29:15.470 --> 0:29:19.160 thrown down the ancient serpent, who is called the devil 0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:23.410 and Satan. So it looks like from revelation 12 that 0:29:23.410 --> 0:29:25.960 Satan will have access to heaven until he is defeated 0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:29.050 and thrown down in the tribulation period. 0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:31.390 You know, I think a lot of people are afraid 0:29:31.390 --> 0:29:33.040 of studying the book of Revelation, and part of the 0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:36.040 reason is because they're wondering, you know, why isn't there 0:29:36.040 --> 0:29:39.670 just more clarity in revelation and maybe in Daniel and 0:29:39.670 --> 0:29:43.000 other places? Why does it have to be so shrouded, 0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:46.120 so wrapped up in, in imagery and that kind of thing? 0:29:46.210 --> 0:29:50.230 Well, that's a great question. Sometimes we hear about something 0:29:50.230 --> 0:29:52.360 and it's hard for us to know how to describe it. 0:29:52.360 --> 0:29:55.540 John has a vision. He sees a vision of something. 0:29:55.540 --> 0:29:59.470 He is, by the Spirit's guidance, giving us his description. 0:29:59.470 --> 0:30:02.890 But sometimes his description kind of doesn't fit the way 0:30:02.890 --> 0:30:08.290 we understand things. This is typical for apocalyptic literature. That is, 0:30:08.290 --> 0:30:12.400 the writers use imagery which were not familiar with. Yes, 0:30:12.430 --> 0:30:14.680 that's why we come to revelation. It seems so foreign. 0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:18.670 If we were to read other examples of apocalyptic literature 0:30:18.670 --> 0:30:20.290 and all its imagery, then we would come back to 0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:22.510 revelation and say, oh, this is beginning to make more sense, 0:30:22.510 --> 0:30:23.050 I think. 0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:25.630 And don't you think, though, that God also intends that 0:30:25.630 --> 0:30:28.870 in the exercise of this study, trying to unravel some 0:30:28.870 --> 0:30:31.750 of these things that we do a little stretching, we 0:30:31.750 --> 0:30:33.280 do a little growing, we do. 0:30:33.310 --> 0:30:36.460 Oh, indeed. Pushing it challenges us, and it forces us 0:30:36.460 --> 0:30:39.880 to really concentrate and to stretch us. Indeed it does that. 0:30:39.910 --> 0:30:42.340 One last thought about revelation. I know this is just conjecture, 0:30:42.340 --> 0:30:46.060 but you know, you've got the 11 apostles who? Judas, 0:30:46.060 --> 0:30:48.790 of course, having hung himself. But here are the 11 0:30:48.790 --> 0:30:51.880 that walked with Jesus, talked with Jesus, learned from Jesus. 0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:55.360 But only John had this revelation. So how is his 0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:59.560 life different? How is his Christian experience different from the 0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:02.979 other apostles, having had this revelation made known to him? 0:31:02.980 --> 0:31:03.790 What do you think? 0:31:03.820 --> 0:31:08.050 Well, I think John has a unique experience with Jesus. 0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:12.880 John has some unique insights into Christ, and I think 0:31:12.910 --> 0:31:16.090 as the beloved disciple, almost certainly John is the beloved 0:31:16.090 --> 0:31:21.550 disciple of John's Gospel. Jesus blesses Him with this revelation 0:31:21.550 --> 0:31:24.490 because of that intimacy that he has with our Lord. 0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:27.940 So I think he's forever in my mind, you know, 0:31:27.970 --> 0:31:30.820 forever fixed on these things that he's seen. Right. You 0:31:30.820 --> 0:31:31.510 can't let go of him. 0:31:31.540 --> 0:31:32.290 Right, right. 0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:34.300 Images like that. How could you just say, well, that 0:31:34.300 --> 0:31:35.530 was very nice. I think I'll write it down and 0:31:35.530 --> 0:31:36.430 we'll call it good. 0:31:36.910 --> 0:31:39.790 They had to be just stunning for his heart and mind. 0:31:39.820 --> 0:31:43.450 Exactly. Yeah. All right, back to this question from Joy. 0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:46.690 When I read in commentaries, I see that some say 0:31:46.690 --> 0:31:49.570 that Michael in the Bible is Jesus. What are your 0:31:49.570 --> 0:31:50.500 thoughts on this? 0:31:50.530 --> 0:31:53.560 Oh, I've heard this perspective before, and I have dear 0:31:53.590 --> 0:31:57.880 Christian friends who think the angel Michael is Jesus. And 0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:01.959 clearly Michael is righteous and powerful. But let's look and 0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:05.530 see what the Bible actually says. So first we find 0:32:05.530 --> 0:32:09.640 Michael in the book of Daniel. Three times Daniel sees 0:32:09.670 --> 0:32:12.820 a vision about a spiritual battle. Yes, the angel talking 0:32:12.850 --> 0:32:15.820 to Daniel says, Michael is the one of the chief 0:32:15.820 --> 0:32:19.090 princes of this spiritual battle. Michael is said to be 0:32:19.090 --> 0:32:23.050 in charge of Daniel's people, Israel. So I think we 0:32:23.050 --> 0:32:26.560 can say from Old Testament evidence that we could call 0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:30.550 Michael the guardian angel of Israel. Oh, but let's go 0:32:30.550 --> 0:32:33.850 to the New Testament. Then we find in Jude nine 0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:38.350 that Michael is an archangel who has a dispute with Satan. Now, 0:32:38.350 --> 0:32:42.670 there's no indication in Jude that Jesus is Michael. And 0:32:42.670 --> 0:32:45.459 then the only other time we encounter an archangel in 0:32:45.460 --> 0:32:50.620 Scripture is first Thessalonians 416. There Paul says, for the 0:32:50.620 --> 0:32:53.710 Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, 0:32:53.710 --> 0:32:56.710 and the voice of the archangel, and with the sound 0:32:56.710 --> 0:32:58.960 of the trumpet of God and the dead in Christ 0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:03.520 will rise first. So here a distinction is made between 0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:07.210 Christ and the archangel. So I think Christ works through 0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:10.780 Michael the Archangel's voice. We should keep in mind, too, 0:33:10.780 --> 0:33:15.340 that Jehovah's Witnesses, who deny the Trinity, say that Jesus 0:33:15.370 --> 0:33:17.800 is not God in the flesh, right? But they say 0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:20.560 he is the Archangel Michael. So I think we should 0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:22.510 be careful with that. The last thing I want to 0:33:22.510 --> 0:33:25.720 put in is I don't think the archangel is Jesus, 0:33:25.720 --> 0:33:28.900 because the writer of Hebrews spends a lot of time 0:33:28.900 --> 0:33:32.350 in chapters one and two, demonstrating that Jesus is far 0:33:32.350 --> 0:33:34.120 superior to all angels. 0:33:34.270 --> 0:33:37.960 Well said. Thank you. All right. Ramesh asks, what is 0:33:37.960 --> 0:33:41.110 the significance of Melchizedek? Before I let you answer that, 0:33:41.110 --> 0:33:43.240 I want to remind listeners that you can get your 0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:46.750 question to us any time. Doctor Gerald Peterman welcomes those 0:33:46.750 --> 0:33:51.310 questions at the land and the book at Moody Dot. Edu. 0:33:51.340 --> 0:33:54.280 That's a mouthful. Let me slow it down. It's the 0:33:54.280 --> 0:34:00.460 land and the book@moody.edu. All right, so Ramesh is asking 0:34:00.460 --> 0:34:04.600 what is the significance of Melchizedek? Hebrews seven says that 0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:08.050 without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days 0:34:08.050 --> 0:34:11.170 or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he 0:34:11.170 --> 0:34:14.350 remains a priest forever. Can you explain the first part 0:34:14.350 --> 0:34:17.410 of this verse? How did Abraham know of Melchizedek in 0:34:17.410 --> 0:34:20.380 the first place? And what compelled him to offer a 0:34:20.380 --> 0:34:21.520 10th of everything? 0:34:21.550 --> 0:34:25.810 Oh, good questions. Good questions indeed. Melchizedek. Wow, a very 0:34:25.810 --> 0:34:29.799 interesting person. Now, he's mentioned three times in our Bible. 0:34:29.830 --> 0:34:34.540 First is Genesis 14, when Abraham encounters him, the next 0:34:34.540 --> 0:34:38.350 time is Psalm 110. And that is really amazing stuff. 0:34:38.350 --> 0:34:41.110 And then the last time is he's mentioned several times 0:34:41.110 --> 0:34:43.390 in the book of Hebrews. Now, as we're reading the 0:34:43.390 --> 0:34:47.529 Old Testament, here's what we regularly see a character, a 0:34:47.530 --> 0:34:50.620 person is mentioned and introduced into the history, and that 0:34:50.620 --> 0:34:55.150 person is given a genealogy. When you encounter Abraham, chapter 0:34:55.150 --> 0:34:59.110 11 of Genesis, you get his genealogy. When you encounter Moses, 0:34:59.110 --> 0:35:04.090 you get his genealogy. Typically also when these characters die, 0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:07.090 you hear about it. Sure. So when Abraham dies in 0:35:07.090 --> 0:35:11.890 Genesis 25, it's talked about. But Melchizedek shows up in 0:35:11.890 --> 0:35:16.410 Genesis 14. There's no background, there's no mom, there's no dad. 0:35:16.410 --> 0:35:20.010 And then the writer of Hebrews says, no mother, no father, 0:35:20.010 --> 0:35:24.060 no genealogy. I take it no genealogy is the same 0:35:24.060 --> 0:35:26.879 as saying, no mother, no father. That is, he did 0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:29.370 have real parents. But in the story we're not told 0:35:29.370 --> 0:35:29.910 who they are. 0:35:29.940 --> 0:35:30.540 Right, right, right. 0:35:30.570 --> 0:35:34.859 Now, the next question is what compelled Abraham to give 0:35:34.890 --> 0:35:38.310 a 10th to Melchizedek? Well, that's another great question. Neither 0:35:38.310 --> 0:35:41.550 Genesis nor Hebrews answer the question directly, but here's what 0:35:41.550 --> 0:35:45.210 it looks like when you're in Genesis. We find that 0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:49.200 Melchizedek is a priest king, the first priest mentioned in 0:35:49.200 --> 0:35:53.040 the Old Testament, a priest king who is priest of 0:35:53.040 --> 0:35:56.489 God Most High. Somehow Abraham knows that this is a 0:35:56.489 --> 0:35:59.310 priest of the only God, and so he gives him 0:35:59.310 --> 0:36:02.160 a 10th of the spoils from war that he had 0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:03.419 in Genesis 14. 0:36:03.450 --> 0:36:06.330 Very interesting. Thank you for that question, Ramesh. Thank you 0:36:06.330 --> 0:36:09.300 for your answers, Doctor Peterman. And again, we would love 0:36:09.300 --> 0:36:11.220 to connect with you. If you've got a question, email 0:36:11.219 --> 0:36:16.169 yours to the land and the book@moody.edu. Have you been 0:36:16.170 --> 0:36:18.210 to our website lately? Here's the thing we want you 0:36:18.210 --> 0:36:21.780 to notice at the land and the book. Org. We've 0:36:21.780 --> 0:36:24.660 got a podcast of this program that you can download. 0:36:24.660 --> 0:36:26.910 You can share it with your friends. It's a great 0:36:26.910 --> 0:36:29.310 way to extend this ministry to people that you know, 0:36:29.340 --> 0:36:32.400 that care about God's chosen people, about the Middle East, 0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:34.530 and all that God is doing there. Look for our 0:36:34.530 --> 0:36:39.600 podcast when you visit the land and the book.org. More 0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:42.239 to come as Charlie Dyer returns with his devotional. It's 0:36:42.239 --> 0:36:57.960 next right here. From Moody Radio. This is the land 0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:00.150 and the book I'm John Gager. Glad to have you 0:37:00.150 --> 0:37:03.719 along for our fourth and final segment. It's a devotional 0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:06.330 from Charlie Dyer. Remind our listeners, Charlie, of the the 0:37:06.330 --> 0:37:08.820 name of this series and what your thought behind it. 0:37:08.850 --> 0:37:11.250 Yeah, it's 11 inscriptions to the Bible, and what I'm 0:37:11.250 --> 0:37:14.040 trying to do is focus on our 11 inscriptions, discovered 0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:17.130 by archaeologists that help us in our understanding of the 0:37:17.130 --> 0:37:17.850 Word of God. 0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:20.160 Well, you don't have to be an archaeologist to go 0:37:20.160 --> 0:37:23.610 to and appreciate the land of Israel. Take this comment, 0:37:23.610 --> 0:37:25.830 for example, from someone who's been there and shares this 0:37:25.830 --> 0:37:26.790 with you and me. 0:37:30.780 --> 0:37:32.790 Hi, my name is Johanna and I was 15 years 0:37:32.790 --> 0:37:35.010 old when we first went to Israel, and the thing 0:37:35.010 --> 0:37:37.710 that really struck me the most was seeing that the 0:37:37.710 --> 0:37:39.810 names in the Bible that we so often just cruise 0:37:39.810 --> 0:37:44.160 over are actual, real geographical locations. And seeing the mountainside 0:37:44.160 --> 0:37:46.890 where our Savior was born, and that it wasn't a 0:37:46.890 --> 0:37:50.130 nice green pasture with a beautifully built stable, but just 0:37:50.130 --> 0:37:51.840 a rock hollow in a wall. And it shows how 0:37:51.870 --> 0:37:55.109 humble Christ is and how beautiful God is, that he 0:37:55.110 --> 0:37:57.600 can give us the opportunity to see the places that 0:37:57.600 --> 0:37:59.160 meant the most to him as well. 0:37:59.190 --> 0:38:01.620 Hello, my name is Bill and a couple of years 0:38:01.650 --> 0:38:06.180 ago we had the great privilege of taking our kids 0:38:06.180 --> 0:38:09.149 on a two week trip through Israel and it was 0:38:09.150 --> 0:38:12.490 just brilliant. The kids had friends along on the trip 0:38:12.489 --> 0:38:16.419 as well, and what impressed me most was just being 0:38:16.450 --> 0:38:19.900 able to show them all these places and seeing the 0:38:19.900 --> 0:38:22.479 lights come on in their faces when they realize that 0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:25.210 the places that they'd heard and read about were real. 0:38:25.210 --> 0:38:28.540 And now, two years down the track, whenever we read 0:38:28.540 --> 0:38:33.759 the Bible together, we can't have that strange, disconnected feeling anymore. 0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:38.170 We're interested in where places were and, and and what 0:38:38.170 --> 0:38:40.660 it's about, and we can picture them now as we 0:38:40.660 --> 0:38:43.480 think about it. So yeah, we had a fantastic time. 0:38:45.310 --> 0:38:48.790 Well, I'm looking forward to today's installment in our devotional series, 0:38:48.790 --> 0:38:53.950 11 inscriptions. The Shoulder of Hinnom Amulet sounds like a 0:38:53.950 --> 0:38:55.270 deep mystery. Charlie. 0:38:55.390 --> 0:38:57.040 Uh, it is John, but it's a place that you 0:38:57.040 --> 0:38:59.230 know well, because you and I have both been there. 0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:02.500 This is the sixth devotional in my 11 week series 0:39:02.500 --> 0:39:05.560 that I've called 11 Inscriptions to the Bible. So we're 0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:07.960 just past the halfway point in this series where we're 0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:11.460 looking at written inscriptions uncovered by archaeologists that give us 0:39:11.460 --> 0:39:14.669 new insight into our understanding of the Bible, and our 0:39:14.670 --> 0:39:17.489 search for today's inscription takes us to the edge of 0:39:17.489 --> 0:39:21.750 the Hinnom Valley in Jerusalem. The location is called Ketef Hinnom, 0:39:21.780 --> 0:39:24.719 the shoulder of Hinnom. It's the spot where the ridge 0:39:24.750 --> 0:39:28.170 opposite the city of Jerusalem forms a bit of a saddle, 0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:31.320 a low spot where it was easiest for travelers on 0:39:31.320 --> 0:39:33.660 the way of the patriarchs to drop into the Hinnom 0:39:33.660 --> 0:39:35.970 valley and to make their way across to the city 0:39:35.969 --> 0:39:39.509 of David. Over time, the city of Jerusalem expanded onto 0:39:39.510 --> 0:39:43.140 the western hill just across the Hinnom, but this low 0:39:43.140 --> 0:39:47.009 spot in the ridge remained the easiest crossing point. Today's 0:39:47.010 --> 0:39:49.890 stop is a bonus stop on our tours if we've 0:39:49.890 --> 0:39:52.380 made good time the last few days, and if the 0:39:52.380 --> 0:39:55.470 schedule allows, then one final spot we can add to 0:39:55.500 --> 0:39:57.870 our trip is a visit to the tombs at the 0:39:57.870 --> 0:40:00.420 shoulder of Hinnom. It's a fun way to spend an 0:40:00.420 --> 0:40:04.020 extra half hour explaining what a family tomb complex looked 0:40:04.020 --> 0:40:08.100 like during the time just before the Babylonian captivity We 0:40:08.100 --> 0:40:11.459 get volunteers to line up on the burial benches. This 0:40:11.460 --> 0:40:14.850 particular tomb could hold up to seven bodies at one time, 0:40:14.850 --> 0:40:18.090 and they can look into the repository carved underneath one 0:40:18.090 --> 0:40:20.940 of the benches. After allowing the body to decay for 0:40:20.940 --> 0:40:24.480 a year, the bones were collected and placed in this repository. 0:40:24.510 --> 0:40:28.440 The person was literally gathered to his fathers, but as 0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:31.560 quirky and educational as the site might be. We're here 0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:35.250 because of an amazing discovery that came from this very tomb. 0:40:35.250 --> 0:40:39.930 In 1979, Israeli archaeologist Gabriel Barkay led a team of 0:40:39.930 --> 0:40:43.170 student volunteers to excavate the site. Though it appeared as 0:40:43.170 --> 0:40:45.600 if the site had been thoroughly looted in the past, 0:40:45.600 --> 0:40:49.620 they discovered that a layer of limestone inside the repository 0:40:49.650 --> 0:40:54.480 had dislodged and fallen from the ceiling, completely hiding everything below. 0:40:54.510 --> 0:40:57.480 The slab was removed and the treasures from the tomb 0:40:57.480 --> 0:41:01.260 came to light. Now it wasn't like uncovering King Tut's tomb. 0:41:01.260 --> 0:41:04.950 There were no chariots or golden masks or alabaster jars. 0:41:04.950 --> 0:41:07.560 But in addition to the bones, they did discover about 0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:11.310 a thousand small objects. Most were clay lamps and jars, 0:41:11.340 --> 0:41:15.180 along with needles and pins, glass bottles, jewelry, and even 0:41:15.180 --> 0:41:19.080 some arrowheads. But the most remarkable objects discovered were two 0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:22.890 small silver pieces that looked like, well, they looked something 0:41:22.890 --> 0:41:25.920 like cigarette butts, but it was quickly determined that they 0:41:25.920 --> 0:41:28.980 were rolled up pieces of silver that had once been 0:41:28.980 --> 0:41:32.460 worn as necklaces or amulets. It took years of careful 0:41:32.460 --> 0:41:36.090 work for scientists to unroll the tiny scrolls and discover 0:41:36.090 --> 0:41:39.600 what was written inside. When the scrolls were opened, the 0:41:39.600 --> 0:41:43.890 archaeologists discovered ancient Hebrew letters carefully inscribed on each piece. 0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:46.950 These thin pieces of silver had been rolled up to 0:41:46.980 --> 0:41:50.310 make an amulet, likely worn as a favorite necklace, and 0:41:50.310 --> 0:41:52.620 when the owner died, he or she was buried with 0:41:52.620 --> 0:41:56.520 this prized possession. But what was written on these scrolls, 0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:59.759 the larger of the two, begins by talking about Yahweh 0:41:59.790 --> 0:42:02.730 the Great, who keeps the covenant, and who is gracious 0:42:02.730 --> 0:42:05.430 toward those who love him and who keep his commandments. 0:42:05.460 --> 0:42:08.700 Then it goes on to say, for redemption is in him, 0:42:08.700 --> 0:42:12.270 for Yahweh is our restorer and rock. May Yahweh bless you. 0:42:12.300 --> 0:42:15.390 May he keep you. May Yahweh make his face shine. 0:42:15.390 --> 0:42:18.540 And that's where the bottom of the scroll was broken away. 0:42:18.540 --> 0:42:22.500 The smaller amulet has a liner so that aren't clearly legible. 0:42:22.500 --> 0:42:24.450 At the very beginning, though it might have given the 0:42:24.450 --> 0:42:27.330 person's name and family identity. But then it goes on 0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:30.240 to say, May you be blessed by Yahweh the warrior 0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:33.300 and rebuker of evil. May Yahweh bless you and keep you. 0:42:33.330 --> 0:42:36.300 May Yahweh make his face shine upon you and grant 0:42:36.300 --> 0:42:40.919 you peace. Sound familiar? Both amulets end by quoting from 0:42:40.920 --> 0:42:44.700 number six the passage where Moses told Aaron how he 0:42:44.700 --> 0:42:47.339 and his sons were to bless Israel. Then the Lord 0:42:47.340 --> 0:42:50.370 spoke to Moses, saying, Speak to Aaron and his son, saying, 0:42:50.370 --> 0:42:52.920 thus you shall bless the sons of Israel. You shall 0:42:52.920 --> 0:42:55.290 say to them, the Lord bless you and keep you. 0:42:55.290 --> 0:42:57.509 The Lord make his face shine on you, and be 0:42:57.510 --> 0:43:00.390 gracious to you. The Lord lift up his countenance upon 0:43:00.390 --> 0:43:03.360 you and give you peace. So shall they invoke my 0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:05.930 name on the sons of Israel, and I then will 0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:11.180 bless them here in this family tomb. Archaeologists discovered two 0:43:11.210 --> 0:43:14.900 references to this very blessing assigned to Aaron and his 0:43:14.900 --> 0:43:18.620 descendants by Moses. Even down to using the covenant keeping 0:43:18.620 --> 0:43:22.880 name of God Yahweh. Pretty amazing. And it's even more 0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:25.880 amazing when we realize that this is the earliest written 0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:30.740 quotation of Scripture ever uncovered by archaeologists. But there's one 0:43:30.739 --> 0:43:33.830 more amazing thing about these amulets. And to understand what 0:43:33.830 --> 0:43:36.950 it is, I need to explain how many critics interpret 0:43:36.950 --> 0:43:40.009 the first five books of the Bible, rather than accepting 0:43:40.010 --> 0:43:42.529 that the books were written by Moses. They divide them 0:43:42.530 --> 0:43:45.950 up into different independent sources that they say weren't patched 0:43:45.950 --> 0:43:49.880 together until after the Babylonian captivity. They see at least 0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:53.870 four such sources, often labeled j, E, D, and P. 0:43:53.900 --> 0:43:56.330 They would claim that the earliest of these, the j 0:43:56.360 --> 0:44:00.650 or Yahwistic source, dates no earlier than 950 BC, and 0:44:00.650 --> 0:44:03.860 the most recent of the sources, the p or priestly source, 0:44:03.860 --> 0:44:06.650 dates to the time of the Jewish exile in Babylon 0:44:06.650 --> 0:44:11.210 or later. This theory is sometimes called the documentary hypothesis. 0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:14.000 If you ever took a religion course in college, you 0:44:14.000 --> 0:44:17.960 probably came across it. Now here's what's amazing. This theory 0:44:17.989 --> 0:44:20.900 has said that the priestly benediction of Aaron was part 0:44:20.900 --> 0:44:23.540 of the P document, the one not written until the 0:44:23.540 --> 0:44:27.200 time of the Babylonian captivity. But these amulets were found 0:44:27.200 --> 0:44:29.930 in a tomb that stopped being used at the time 0:44:29.930 --> 0:44:34.310 of the Babylonian captivity. And they were quoting that benediction. 0:44:34.340 --> 0:44:37.640 It's hard to quote something that supposedly doesn't exist yet. 0:44:37.670 --> 0:44:42.259 The documentary hypothesis, or jedp theory has been disproved a 0:44:42.260 --> 0:44:44.930 number of ways, even though it's still being taught in 0:44:44.930 --> 0:44:48.980 many universities and seminaries. It was proposed by scholars who 0:44:48.980 --> 0:44:52.250 refused to accept the Bible at face value. And even 0:44:52.250 --> 0:44:55.760 when evidence like these amulets is discovered, the theory still 0:44:55.760 --> 0:44:59.150 refuses to die. So what lesson can we take away 0:44:59.150 --> 0:45:01.730 from our visit to this tomb on the edge of 0:45:01.730 --> 0:45:05.630 the Hinnom valley. How about this? You can trust the 0:45:05.630 --> 0:45:08.779 Bible in spite of attempts to discredit it or to 0:45:08.810 --> 0:45:12.650 try to explain it away. New evidence keeps being discovered 0:45:12.650 --> 0:45:16.250 to support its historical truth. And because you can trust 0:45:16.250 --> 0:45:18.680 the Bible, you can also trust the God who wrote 0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:21.380 the Bible. He's the one who has promised to bless 0:45:21.380 --> 0:45:24.500 you and keep you, to make his face shine upon you, 0:45:24.500 --> 0:45:27.710 and be gracious unto you and to give you peace. 0:45:27.739 --> 0:45:31.189 The people buried in this tomb more than 2600 years 0:45:31.190 --> 0:45:35.840 ago knew that to be true. And so can you today. Now, 0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:38.240 if you'd like to see photos of this tomb complex 0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:41.930 overlooking the Hinnom Valley, or the inscription from number six 0:45:41.930 --> 0:45:44.750 now on display in the Israel Museum, or head over 0:45:44.750 --> 0:45:47.600 to our land in the book Facebook page and look 0:45:47.630 --> 0:45:49.610 at the pictures that I've posted there. 0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:52.430 Thank you Charlie. And again, check out that Facebook page. 0:45:52.430 --> 0:45:55.010 I love the way Charlie puts so much energy into 0:45:55.010 --> 0:45:58.880 these photos and descriptions. Very, very interesting. And Charlie, you know, 0:45:58.910 --> 0:46:01.550 for somebody who has yet to take advantage of our 0:46:01.580 --> 0:46:03.830 of our podcast. I want you to encourage them to 0:46:03.860 --> 0:46:06.260 do that because a lot of people listening, sure, they 0:46:06.290 --> 0:46:09.469 hear us on a radio station, but many can't. And 0:46:09.469 --> 0:46:12.230 this podcast is a way of making the program available 0:46:12.230 --> 0:46:13.400 to everybody, right? 0:46:13.460 --> 0:46:15.500 Absolutely. You know, for some people, they can't hear the 0:46:15.500 --> 0:46:18.200 program when it's broadcast. This gives them an opportunity to 0:46:18.230 --> 0:46:20.420 not miss that week's program, to go and listen to 0:46:20.450 --> 0:46:22.670 it any time that it fits. And it gives them 0:46:22.670 --> 0:46:25.310 something they can share with friends that the friends can 0:46:25.310 --> 0:46:26.660 listen to at any given time. 0:46:26.690 --> 0:46:28.640 All right. That podcast is waiting for you now at 0:46:28.640 --> 0:46:33.050 our website, the land and the book.org. That's the land 0:46:33.050 --> 0:46:37.009 and the book. Org. Other great features there as well, 0:46:37.010 --> 0:46:40.730 including information about past programs, future programs and more at 0:46:40.730 --> 0:46:44.390 the land and the book. Org on behalf of our 0:46:44.390 --> 0:46:47.780 team producer Dan Anderson, our host, Charlie Dyer, I'm John Geiger, 0:46:47.810 --> 0:46:50.930 thanking you for listening to The Land and the book, 0:46:50.960 --> 0:46:55.040 a production of Moody Radio, a ministry of Moody Bible Institute.