WEBVTT - Hour 2: The Transforming Gospel 0:00:09.230 --> 0:00:12.950 Hello friends. It's time for the second hour of Open 0:00:12.950 --> 0:00:16.430 Line with Doctor Michael Ray Dolnick Moody Radio's Bible Study 0:00:16.430 --> 0:00:20.239 Across America. We're talking about your questions, the ones you 0:00:20.270 --> 0:00:24.050 come up with about the Bible, God and the spiritual life. 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:27.470 Where do you get these questions, I wonder? Sometimes I 0:00:27.470 --> 0:00:31.610 think you're at Bible studies, or maybe hear a sermon, 0:00:31.610 --> 0:00:35.209 or just some struggles you're having with your own time 0:00:35.210 --> 0:00:37.580 in the word and you wonder about something. I'm so 0:00:37.580 --> 0:00:40.790 glad that you can call. My name is Michael Ray Dolnick. 0:00:40.790 --> 0:00:43.940 I'm the academic dean and professor of Jewish Studies and 0:00:43.940 --> 0:00:47.870 Bible at Moody Bible Institute, and we are sitting around 0:00:47.870 --> 0:00:50.900 the radio kitchen table talking about your questions. So now's 0:00:50.900 --> 0:00:58.370 the time to call (877) 548-3675. Remember, if you can't call, 0:00:58.370 --> 0:01:01.840 just go to our website openline radio.org. You can click 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:05.050 on the link that says Ask Michael a question, and 0:01:05.050 --> 0:01:10.690 Tricia will put your question into the mailbag for next week. Well, 0:01:10.690 --> 0:01:14.290 I hope you have your Bibles out ready. Second cup 0:01:14.290 --> 0:01:16.959 of coffee right there, because we're going to talk about 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:20.530 the scriptures. We're going to speak with Gary in Georgia, 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:24.850 listening on Wpfw. Welcome to Open Line, Gary. How can 0:01:24.850 --> 0:01:25.899 I help you today? 0:01:27.310 --> 0:01:31.209 Yes, sir. Thank you for having me. Mhm. Uh, my 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:34.810 my question was uh, there's like a, I heard there's 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:38.200 a third temple being built in Israel. Does that have 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:43.270 any correlation or relation with the Jesus second coming soon. 0:01:43.510 --> 0:01:47.080 We're not there is there is no temple. There is Gary. 0:01:47.110 --> 0:01:51.400 There is no temple being built. There's a there's a 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:56.950 group called there's a group called the Temple Mount faithful 0:01:57.850 --> 0:02:01.660 And they want to have a temple built. I happen 0:02:01.660 --> 0:02:04.780 to believe that they're not driven by spirituality. They are 0:02:04.780 --> 0:02:10.960 driven mostly by politics. They're trying to make a statement. 0:02:11.650 --> 0:02:15.310 They don't like it that Israel allows the Waqf, which 0:02:15.310 --> 0:02:19.450 is the Muslim leadership, to control the Temple Mount in 0:02:19.450 --> 0:02:21.430 terms of what's done up there at the dome of 0:02:21.430 --> 0:02:26.049 the Rock at the Al-Aqsa mosque. Uh, they they believe 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:31.390 that Israeli sovereignty should drive those Islamic sites off the 0:02:31.389 --> 0:02:33.580 top of the Temple Mount and build a temple. But 0:02:33.610 --> 0:02:37.300 it's they're driven by politics. They're not driven. It's a 0:02:37.300 --> 0:02:40.179 very small group to it doesn't have much influence, but 0:02:40.180 --> 0:02:43.510 they're driven by politics more than they are driven by 0:02:43.510 --> 0:02:48.340 any kind of faith or spirituality. The but they have 0:02:48.370 --> 0:02:52.990 gone ahead and they've built some, uh, aspects of the 0:02:52.990 --> 0:02:57.100 temple in the sense that they have, like the Menorah. 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:03.370 The menorah, you say in Hebrew. Uh, the the seven 0:03:03.370 --> 0:03:09.550 branched candelabrum that's described in the Tabernacle passage in Exodus. Uh, 0:03:09.550 --> 0:03:12.610 they've built one of those and they've built some things 0:03:12.610 --> 0:03:16.150 like that so that when the temple is ever rebuilt, 0:03:16.150 --> 0:03:20.470 they'll have these accoutrements of the temple that they will have. But, uh, 0:03:20.650 --> 0:03:23.290 I think the temple will be rebuilt. But what you're 0:03:23.290 --> 0:03:26.470 seeing today in Israel is not related to that. Uh, 0:03:26.470 --> 0:03:29.230 at least not at this point. So does that help 0:03:29.230 --> 0:03:30.549 Gary at this point? 0:03:30.580 --> 0:03:33.910 Yeah, at this point. Yes. Thank you so much, sir. Sure. 0:03:33.940 --> 0:03:34.300 God bless. 0:03:34.300 --> 0:03:39.460 You. Uh, God bless you. Uh, we're going to speak with, uh, 0:03:39.460 --> 0:03:44.710 Terry in Oxford, Florida, listening on keys. Hey, Terry, welcome 0:03:44.710 --> 0:03:45.640 to Open Line. 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:50.380 Thank you. Good morning. Thank you for taking my question. 0:03:50.500 --> 0:03:51.070 Sure. 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:56.120 My question. My question is this. In revelation six, It 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:59.720 speaks about the souls that are under the altar that 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:05.240 have been slain for their testimony to Christ. And then 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:10.700 in chapter seven, it talks about, and this is my question. 0:04:10.700 --> 0:04:12.770 I'm not sure if it's the same group of people 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:14.960 that says, these are the ones who can't come out 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:19.669 of the great tribulation. So my question is, are the 0:04:19.700 --> 0:04:23.810 ones under the altar, those that were slain for their 0:04:23.810 --> 0:04:28.130 testimony to Christ up to the point of the tribulation? 0:04:28.130 --> 0:04:32.779 Or are they part of those that are slain during 0:04:32.779 --> 0:04:34.040 the tribulation? 0:04:34.310 --> 0:04:37.159 Okay, let's let's talk about what you're talking about in 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.470 revelation six, when the fifth seal. Is that what you're 0:04:39.470 --> 0:04:43.130 talking about? It says the peoples slaughtered because of God's Word, 0:04:43.130 --> 0:04:46.609 and the testimony they had on a white robe was 0:04:46.610 --> 0:04:49.880 given to each one, each one of them. Is that 0:04:49.910 --> 0:04:54.990 who you're talking about? Yes. In revelation And six. They're 0:04:55.020 --> 0:04:58.170 the ones that cry out for justice. Avenge our blood 0:04:58.170 --> 0:05:01.410 from those who live on the earth. Right. So those 0:05:01.410 --> 0:05:05.849 are tribulation martyrs, okay? Because it's at the fifth seal. 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:10.050 Then in revelation seven, you've got the seal of Israel. 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:14.700 Those are the Jewish people who are sealed and protected 0:05:14.700 --> 0:05:19.140 as servants of God. We're not sure what they're going 0:05:19.170 --> 0:05:22.620 to do. It just says they're going to serve the Lord. 0:05:23.070 --> 0:05:31.050 They're they're servants of God. However, what follows very the 0:05:31.050 --> 0:05:35.460 very next thing, immediately, again, a multitude from the Great Tribulation. 0:05:35.460 --> 0:05:37.650 After this I looked and there was a vast multitude 0:05:37.650 --> 0:05:41.610 from every nation, tribe, people and language. They're obviously not 0:05:41.610 --> 0:05:47.550 the 144,000 Israelites who are sealed, but people from every nation, 0:05:47.550 --> 0:05:52.900 tribe and tongue, innumerable standing before the throne and before 0:05:52.900 --> 0:05:55.810 the lamb. They were robed in white and palm branches 0:05:56.500 --> 0:05:59.260 were in their hands. They cried out. Salvation belongs to 0:05:59.290 --> 0:06:05.169 our God. So these are a multitude from the tribulation period. 0:06:05.170 --> 0:06:07.810 Who are these people robed in white? They are the 0:06:07.810 --> 0:06:10.750 ones coming out of the great tribulation. Verse 13 and 0:06:10.750 --> 0:06:17.950 14 says, so it seems to me that in chapter 0:06:17.950 --> 0:06:20.560 six it mentions that there are people in the tribulation. 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:25.719 In chapter seven it describes them again as the fruit 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:30.190 of the servants of God. So that kind of clues 0:06:30.190 --> 0:06:33.970 us in as to who those 144,000 are. There are 0:06:33.970 --> 0:06:39.160 like 144,000 Jewish Billy Graham's preaching the gospel during the tribulation. 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:43.870 They're going to win many people from every tribe, nation, tongue, uh, 0:06:43.870 --> 0:06:47.440 and they will. Then many of them will be martyred 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:49.779 and go to be with the Lord during the tribulation. 0:06:49.779 --> 0:06:52.910 And that's who they are. So both passages, simply put, 0:06:52.910 --> 0:06:57.590 are tribulation martyrs. Okay. Okay. 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:01.130 I was wondering because every time I see the phrase 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:06.169 after these things, I read that to mean that this 0:07:06.170 --> 0:07:09.830 thing has happened and now this thing is happening. 0:07:10.100 --> 0:07:16.970 Mhm. So which one wasn't sure. Well and I'm sorry when, 0:07:17.270 --> 0:07:20.000 when you see after these things where do you see 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:23.930 that in chapter seven verse nine. 0:07:24.230 --> 0:07:26.810 Actually in a lot of revelation it'll. 0:07:26.810 --> 0:07:29.450 Say yeah I know but but it's in, it's in 0:07:29.450 --> 0:07:32.570 verse nine it says chapter seven, verse nine. After this 0:07:32.570 --> 0:07:39.260 I looked so after he sees the sealing of the 144,000, he, uh, 0:07:39.260 --> 0:07:42.830 he looks and he sees the vast multitude of, of martyrs. 0:07:42.830 --> 0:07:46.310 But that doesn't mean it's after chapter six. Chapter six 0:07:46.310 --> 0:07:49.040 is sort of a summary of the judgments of the 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:54.660 first half of the tribulation. Okay, so it's after he sees. 0:07:56.760 --> 0:08:03.570 It it's after he sees the sealing of the 144,000 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:05.940 that he sees the tribulation martyrs. 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:11.760 Okay. So so the ones in, in chapter six are 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:14.070 part of those. 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:15.180 That are referenced. 0:08:15.180 --> 0:08:16.560 In chapter seven. 0:08:16.590 --> 0:08:20.010 Yes. Same thing. Okay. Okay. 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:21.900 Okay. Thank you so much. 0:08:22.110 --> 0:08:25.740 Hey. Good question. Thanks for calling. Really appreciate it. Uh, 0:08:25.770 --> 0:08:31.200 we're going to speak with, uh, Linda listening in Pennsylvania, 0:08:31.230 --> 0:08:34.140 I guess, online. Welcome to Open Line. Linda. How can 0:08:34.140 --> 0:08:35.280 I help you today? 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:40.620 Well, Michael, I believe I was transitioning from the car 0:08:40.620 --> 0:08:44.040 to the house, and you were talking a lot about 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:49.589 my question right now, but the question I'm asking is 0:08:49.590 --> 0:08:54.510 who exactly is going to be in the millennium? And 0:08:54.510 --> 0:08:58.320 and is it going to be the people that have 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:03.450 survived the tribulation? And I also know that those souls 0:09:03.450 --> 0:09:06.329 that are under the altar, the martyrs, are to come 0:09:06.330 --> 0:09:13.050 alive and and return and help judge during the millennium. Uh, 0:09:13.050 --> 0:09:16.080 who else is going to be in the millennium? Because 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.980 I've heard a preacher say that we're all coming back 0:09:19.980 --> 0:09:22.590 and we are all going to be in the kingdom. 0:09:23.250 --> 0:09:27.929 Well, let me ask you this, Linda. Uh, have you 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:33.510 trusted in Jesus ever? Is he your Lord and savior? 0:09:34.590 --> 0:09:35.760 Absolutely. 0:09:35.820 --> 0:09:39.179 I thought so. Hey, you're going to be in the millennium. 0:09:39.179 --> 0:09:44.040 How cool is that? Because the Bible says that, uh, 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:49.900 you and I, if we will either be raptured with 0:09:49.900 --> 0:09:54.130 the resurrection or at the rapture, we will be translated 0:09:54.130 --> 0:10:00.370 into the presence of God, and then we will be in, uh, 0:10:00.370 --> 0:10:03.939 in heaven awaiting the marriage supper of the lamb. And 0:10:03.940 --> 0:10:06.550 then in revelation 19, after the marriage supper of the lamb, 0:10:06.550 --> 0:10:10.750 we will descend with the Lord when he comes to 0:10:10.780 --> 0:10:14.740 deliver Israel at the end of the tribulation. And then 0:10:14.740 --> 0:10:16.960 he sets up the kingdom. And guess who came with him? 0:10:16.990 --> 0:10:21.220 We did. So who will be in the kingdom in 0:10:21.220 --> 0:10:25.689 the millennium? It will be anyone that's a follower of Jesus. 0:10:25.690 --> 0:10:34.540 From from, uh, the church era. Anyone of the Old 0:10:34.570 --> 0:10:38.170 Testament saints who are going to be resurrected to enter 0:10:38.170 --> 0:10:42.309 into the kingdom, uh, the messianic kingdom, the Millennial Kingdom 0:10:42.309 --> 0:10:44.770 at the end of the tribulation. It talks about that 0:10:44.770 --> 0:10:48.500 in Daniel 12. So all the resurrected believers of the 0:10:48.500 --> 0:10:51.560 Old Testament, all the resurrected believers from the church age, 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:55.490 and then also there will be people who are not 0:10:55.490 --> 0:11:00.020 yet resurrected, the people who are the sheep of Matthew 25, 0:11:00.050 --> 0:11:06.620 the the Gentile nations who didn't, uh, persecute the Lord's 0:11:06.620 --> 0:11:10.670 brothers Israel during the tribulation. Because of their faith they 0:11:10.670 --> 0:11:17.420 will enter, not yet having been immortalized, uh, resurrected. And 0:11:17.420 --> 0:11:21.800 also the Jewish believers, Jewish people who have believed during 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:23.959 the tribulation and put their trust in Jesus but have 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:27.080 not yet died. Those who are delivered, they will also 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:31.310 enter the kingdom, the Millennial Kingdom at that time. Uh, 0:11:31.309 --> 0:11:33.650 and they will. Those are the ones that will marry 0:11:33.650 --> 0:11:37.340 and reproduce and such in the millennium. Okay. 0:11:37.370 --> 0:11:42.230 So there will be more, uh, immortal and mortal people 0:11:42.230 --> 0:11:43.520 in the millennium. 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:46.740 Bingo. You got it, Linda. That's exactly right. 0:11:47.309 --> 0:11:53.880 Right. And then. And then when we transitioned that. And Peter, 0:11:53.910 --> 0:11:57.930 the earth has to, you know, say for fire and 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:02.010 and then and melt, everything will melt. And then the 0:12:02.010 --> 0:12:05.400 new heaven and the new earth. How does that happen? 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:07.650 Where are we in between? There. 0:12:08.910 --> 0:12:14.459 You know what? I, the earth will be destroyed. We're 0:12:14.460 --> 0:12:17.040 going to be with the Lord. Uh, I'm not sure 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:19.380 what you're asking. I mean, it doesn't say we're going 0:12:19.410 --> 0:12:21.150 anywhere else. We're going to be with the Lord, and 0:12:21.150 --> 0:12:24.959 then we enter into the new creation. Uh, the material, 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.510 new creation, the new heavens and the new earth. And 0:12:27.510 --> 0:12:30.600 we'll be with the Lord. It says in revelation 22, 0:12:30.630 --> 0:12:33.450 his servants will serve him. That's you and me will 0:12:33.450 --> 0:12:40.500 still be there. Okay, uh, this earth is destroyed, but 0:12:40.500 --> 0:12:42.479 there's a new heavens and new earth, and we get 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.250 to be part of that? Yeah. Okay. 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.770 That's it. How do we transition to that? 0:12:48.070 --> 0:12:50.140 You know what? I'm going to I'm going to save 0:12:50.140 --> 0:12:52.420 that one for the Lord. I don't he didn't give 0:12:52.420 --> 0:12:56.110 us the details on it. Okay. Apparently we'll be able 0:12:56.110 --> 0:13:00.729 to do it. Uh, I don't know how the transition happens. Uh, 0:13:00.730 --> 0:13:05.650 you know, this is, uh, you know, that's a curiosity. 0:13:05.650 --> 0:13:08.110 I don't think that, uh, that we have to worry 0:13:08.110 --> 0:13:10.900 about it. The Lord knows what he's doing. Okay. 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:13.600 Okay. Thank you very much. 0:13:13.630 --> 0:13:15.790 Okay. Thank you. Linda, thanks for the call. We're going 0:13:15.790 --> 0:13:18.220 to take a break here. When we come back, we're 0:13:18.220 --> 0:13:21.910 going to talk about your questions about the Bible, God 0:13:21.910 --> 0:13:24.400 and the spiritual life. In fact, Estelle's got a question 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.190 about the Mark of the beast. So we're in end 0:13:27.429 --> 0:13:31.420 end times discussion apparently now, so I'm glad to answer 0:13:31.420 --> 0:13:33.970 that as best I can. Uh, my name is Michael 0:13:33.970 --> 0:13:36.699 Ray Dolnick. This program is called Open Line. It's on 0:13:36.700 --> 0:13:38.920 the Moody on Moody Radio. We're going to be right 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:42.260 back with more in just a bit, so don't go away. 0:13:53.990 --> 0:13:57.589 Welcome back to Open Line. So glad to be with you. 0:13:57.590 --> 0:13:59.690 I'm so grateful for all of you who give to 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.929 Open Line, not just listen, but actually give. Uh, we 0:14:02.929 --> 0:14:08.030 just appreciate it so much. 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Yeah, well, people used 0:16:02.790 --> 0:16:04.530 to ask me all the time if he changed his 0:16:04.530 --> 0:16:08.280 name from Rydell, but it's not he. We're not related 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:12.750 at all. So. And Rydell High was not named for 0:16:12.750 --> 0:16:16.890 me or my family, so just saying. But go ahead. Uh, 0:16:16.890 --> 0:16:18.630 what's your. How can I help you? 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:25.500 Okay. My question, uh, is if you accept the mark 0:16:25.500 --> 0:16:31.350 of the beast, can you, in revelations repent and be saved? 0:16:31.350 --> 0:16:34.470 Because a lot of people are saying that once you 0:16:34.470 --> 0:16:38.950 do that, there's no coming back. That would negate no 0:16:38.950 --> 0:16:43.060 sin that cannot be forgiven. Or how is it? 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:50.560 Yeah. Says, uh. Well, the Mark of the beast. Uh, 0:16:50.980 --> 0:16:53.590 when it talks about getting the mark of the beast, 0:16:53.590 --> 0:16:57.790 it says that those people are, uh, destined. I'm trying 0:16:57.790 --> 0:17:00.640 to find the passage where it says that they are 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:08.110 destined for eternal separation from God. Uh. Uh, I found 0:17:08.109 --> 0:17:11.110 the very first passage. Uh, they'll be given a mark 0:17:11.109 --> 0:17:16.240 on his right hand or on his forehead, uh, so 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.400 that no one can buy or sell unless he has 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:23.290 the mark of the beast. I think it's in revelation. Uh, 0:17:23.290 --> 0:17:28.570 further on where it talks about that, they, uh, they can't. Well, 0:17:28.570 --> 0:17:33.010 not that they can't be saved, but they won't be saved. Uh, 0:17:33.340 --> 0:17:38.270 where is that verse? Uh, Here I am turning pages. 0:17:38.270 --> 0:17:43.790 I should, uh. Well, here's what I. Oh, here it is, 0:17:43.790 --> 0:17:47.780 I found it. Revelation 14. Uh, if anyone worships the 0:17:47.810 --> 0:17:51.230 beast and his image and receives a mark on his 0:17:51.230 --> 0:17:54.919 forehead or on his hand, he will also drink the 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:57.590 wine of God's wrath, which is mixed full strength. In 0:17:57.590 --> 0:18:02.420 the cup of his anger, he will be, uh, tormented 0:18:02.420 --> 0:18:05.210 with fire and sulfur in the sight of the holy angels, 0:18:05.210 --> 0:18:07.369 and in the sight of the lamb, and the smoke 0:18:07.369 --> 0:18:10.580 of their torment will go up forever and ever. There 0:18:10.609 --> 0:18:13.220 is no rest day or night for those who worship 0:18:13.220 --> 0:18:17.090 the beast and his image, or anyone who receives the 0:18:17.090 --> 0:18:22.550 mark of his name. That's revelation 14, verses nine through 11. 0:18:22.580 --> 0:18:25.490 Now why do I bring that up? Because that's where 0:18:25.490 --> 0:18:29.210 people say that no one can be saved, because it 0:18:29.210 --> 0:18:32.210 says that they are destined for eternal separation from God 0:18:32.210 --> 0:18:35.700 if they've accepted the mark of the beast. Now, I 0:18:35.700 --> 0:18:37.380 said this once on the radio and got a lot 0:18:37.410 --> 0:18:39.540 of people mad at me, so I'm going to just 0:18:39.540 --> 0:18:44.940 say it again because I actually think, I don't know 0:18:44.940 --> 0:18:48.990 if anyone will repent of taking the mark of the beast, 0:18:49.650 --> 0:18:53.730 but this to me, as I read that I think 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:56.520 this is saying, if anyone worships the beast and his 0:18:56.550 --> 0:18:58.980 image and receives a mark on his forehead or on 0:18:58.980 --> 0:19:05.189 his hand and doesn't repent. And doesn't turn to Jesus 0:19:05.190 --> 0:19:08.489 for forgiveness, he will also drink of the wine of 0:19:08.490 --> 0:19:13.859 God's wrath. I don't think that between verses nine and ten, 0:19:13.890 --> 0:19:17.280 we can leave out the idea that a person could 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:21.060 turn to Jesus even during the tribulation, even with the 0:19:21.060 --> 0:19:23.669 mark of the beast. I think the grace of God 0:19:23.670 --> 0:19:27.060 is great and he can forgive someone who has done that. 0:19:27.300 --> 0:19:29.520 I think what this verse is saying is, if they 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:32.670 take the mark of the beast and never repent, they 0:19:32.670 --> 0:19:36.340 will be forever separated from God. That's how I understand it, 0:19:36.340 --> 0:19:39.490 because I really believe that whatever sin we have become 0:19:39.490 --> 0:19:43.750 involved in, uh, we can repent and the Lord can 0:19:43.750 --> 0:19:46.780 forgive us. We can turn in faith to Jesus and 0:19:46.780 --> 0:19:49.930 turn away from that which we were, uh, trusting in 0:19:49.930 --> 0:19:54.310 before and be experience forgiveness. Now, here's the issue. I 0:19:54.310 --> 0:19:58.480 think that sometimes people become so hardened in their sin 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:02.230 that they won't ever turn to Jesus. And I'm wondering, too, 0:20:02.230 --> 0:20:04.240 when I read this verse, is this talking about people 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:06.760 who are so hardened when they take the the mark 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:09.520 of the beast that they won't repent? But I don't 0:20:09.550 --> 0:20:13.840 know that. Uh, so at this point, what I'll say is, 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:17.859 it seems to me this is saying those who take 0:20:17.859 --> 0:20:20.800 the mark of the beast and don't repent will be 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:24.040 forever separated from God. And if they can repent, I 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:26.560 know it's God that will bring them to him. So. 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:29.740 But that's how I understand it. Okay, Estelle. 0:20:30.730 --> 0:20:36.070 Me there for repentance. Yeah. And yeah, they can, but not. 0:20:36.100 --> 0:20:36.400 Well I. 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:36.879 Don't know. 0:20:37.210 --> 0:20:37.630 I don't. 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:40.510 I don't, I don't know if they've been so hardened 0:20:40.510 --> 0:20:43.419 that they won't repent I don't know. So I'm going 0:20:43.420 --> 0:20:45.580 to just leave that with God okay. 0:20:45.700 --> 0:20:50.080 No I'm saying past that they can. People are saying 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:52.030 that there's no room in there. 0:20:52.060 --> 0:20:55.180 I, I think what I, what I'm trying to say 0:20:55.180 --> 0:21:01.030 is they, they are separated from God unless they repent. 0:21:01.030 --> 0:21:04.659 I don't know if they can repent. Okay. I don't 0:21:04.690 --> 0:21:08.050 know if they can because they may be so hardened. However, 0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:10.270 I'm going to leave that with God. You know, God 0:21:10.270 --> 0:21:14.830 can open their hearts, I think, um, I just don't know. Okay, okay. 0:21:14.859 --> 0:21:17.080 All right. Okay, I get that. Yeah. 0:21:17.290 --> 0:21:22.300 Yeah. Great. Thank you. I appreciate your call. Uh, we're 0:21:22.300 --> 0:21:27.580 going to talk with Charles in Michigan. Welcome to Open Line. Charles. 0:21:27.820 --> 0:21:29.530 How can I help you today? Yeah. 0:21:30.830 --> 0:21:33.109 Good. You just. Michael. 0:21:33.410 --> 0:21:35.870 Yeah. It's Michael. How can I help you? Charles? 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:39.680 Yes, Michael. I just want to make sure I understand. Hey. 0:21:40.070 --> 0:21:42.410 Charles, can can you do me a favor? Turn off 0:21:42.410 --> 0:21:43.879 whatever you're listening to? 0:21:46.220 --> 0:21:51.200 Yes. I have a question regarding predestination. 0:21:52.940 --> 0:21:55.460 Okay, turn off your radio, though. Okay? 0:21:56.060 --> 0:21:56.720 Okay. 0:22:01.100 --> 0:22:03.290 Okay. I want to go ahead with your question. 0:22:03.619 --> 0:22:08.510 Predestination. If I make a statement and see if I'm correct. 0:22:08.869 --> 0:22:12.350 No, don't don't make a statement. Don't don't don't don't. Charles, 0:22:12.350 --> 0:22:14.450 just ask me a question, okay? 0:22:15.109 --> 0:22:23.330 Okay. Um, God doesn't send people to hell. He still 0:22:23.330 --> 0:22:27.320 gives them that choice. But God knows who's going to be. 0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:32.340 Accept him and be in heaven. Am I correct with that? 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:37.890 I'm not sure what you're asking. That's why you should 0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:39.149 ask a question. 0:22:39.810 --> 0:22:46.590 Okay. My question is, some people think that predestination means 0:22:46.590 --> 0:22:50.790 that God has predestined people to be go to heaven 0:22:50.790 --> 0:22:54.120 or go or not go to heaven, and that they 0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:56.550 don't have a choice. Okay. 0:22:56.910 --> 0:22:59.850 Now, I understand your question. Now I understand your question. 0:22:59.880 --> 0:23:05.070 Here's the deal. Some people believe in a double predestination. Uh, 0:23:05.730 --> 0:23:10.409 the double predestination is that God predestined some for heaven 0:23:10.410 --> 0:23:14.340 and some for hell. That's why it's double. Do you 0:23:14.340 --> 0:23:18.780 understand what I mean? One predestination is for heaven. One 0:23:18.780 --> 0:23:25.200 predestination for hell. Uh, however, I believe that there's a 0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:32.139 self destination. We sin and we we, we are all sinners, 0:23:32.140 --> 0:23:35.080 every one of us sins. And the result is that 0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:39.609 we destine ourselves for separation from God. And then God 0:23:39.609 --> 0:23:45.640 chooses some. He predestines some for to be a vessel 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:50.320 of mercy, and we are forgiven. I think it's interesting. 0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:56.500 In Romans nine it says, uh, where it talks about 0:23:56.500 --> 0:24:02.410 the vessels of wrath and the vessels of mercy. Uh, uh, 0:24:02.410 --> 0:24:10.090 it says here that, uh, he it says, what if 0:24:10.090 --> 0:24:11.919 he did this to make known the riches of his 0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:16.689 glory on vessels or objects of mercy that he prepared 0:24:16.810 --> 0:24:21.130 beforehand for glory? So who prepared them beforehand for glory? 0:24:21.130 --> 0:24:26.410 That was God himself. However, uh, when it talks about 0:24:26.420 --> 0:24:33.620 those who, uh, are, uh, who are not who don't 0:24:33.650 --> 0:24:38.270 know the Lord. Uh, it says something different in verse 0:24:38.270 --> 0:24:42.350 22 of Romans nine. What if God, desiring to display 0:24:42.350 --> 0:24:45.110 his wrath and to make his power known, endured with 0:24:45.109 --> 0:24:52.820 much patience? Objects of wrath prepared for destruction? Well, it 0:24:52.820 --> 0:24:56.300 doesn't say who prepared them for destruction. Uh, in fact, 0:24:56.300 --> 0:24:58.970 some people think it's a middle voice there. Well, it 0:24:58.970 --> 0:25:02.630 is a middle voice, but they think it has a 0:25:02.630 --> 0:25:07.880 sense of prepared themselves for destruction. But, uh, it may 0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:10.189 have that. Or it may just be that it means 0:25:10.190 --> 0:25:12.500 that it's a passive voice. It doesn't say who prepared 0:25:12.500 --> 0:25:16.130 them for destruction. I believe our own sinfulness prepares us 0:25:16.130 --> 0:25:21.740 all for destruction. But God, in his mercy, Predestines prepares 0:25:21.770 --> 0:25:27.690 some for to receive his mercy. And that's what predestination is. 0:25:27.720 --> 0:25:33.720 God knows beforehand whom he predestines to show mercy to. 0:25:33.750 --> 0:25:38.730 We're still humanly responsible to believe. I don't know how 0:25:38.730 --> 0:25:42.000 that really works itself out, but that's what the Bible teaches. 0:25:42.030 --> 0:25:45.240 Hope that helps, Charles. We'll be back in just a 0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:49.080 bit with the mailbag. The Febc mailbag. So don't go away. 0:25:49.109 --> 0:26:09.210 Tricia McMillan is dragging it in right now. Welcome back. 0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:11.760 I just want to say we have some great partners 0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:16.140 on Open Line. Uh, we're grateful that Far Eastern Broadcasting 0:26:16.140 --> 0:26:19.350 Company partners with Open Line to bring you the weekly 0:26:19.410 --> 0:26:23.610 Febc mailbag. That's a wonderful organization. They bring the good 0:26:23.609 --> 0:26:27.540 news to people via media and personal engagement. Check out 0:26:27.540 --> 0:26:31.199 the Febc podcast it's called Until All have Heard. You 0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:37.439 can see a lot more. Just go to febc.org. 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All you have to do 0:29:14.610 --> 0:29:25.770 is call (888) 644-7122 or go to open line radio.org. Okay. Tricia. Uh, 0:29:25.770 --> 0:29:27.780 what what else have we got here? 0:29:27.810 --> 0:29:32.670 Well, our first question is from Facebook. It came in 0:29:32.670 --> 0:29:37.650 from Lori, and she said, folks use second Chronicles 714 0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:40.890 a lot, which says, hold on here. I've got it 0:29:40.890 --> 0:29:44.040 in my Bible. And my people who are called by 0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:47.610 my name humble themselves and pray and seek my face 0:29:47.610 --> 0:29:49.950 and turn from their wicked ways. Then I will hear 0:29:49.950 --> 0:29:53.880 from heaven, will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. 0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:57.510 So that is second Chronicles 714. People use that a lot, 0:29:57.540 --> 0:30:01.110 especially as the election grows closer. Is this scripture being 0:30:01.140 --> 0:30:04.440 taken out of context when they use it? For any 0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:07.440 group of followers of Jesus who pray and seek him, 0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:11.310 that he will heal their land, and more specifically, the 0:30:11.310 --> 0:30:13.110 American church. 0:30:13.140 --> 0:30:15.660 Yeah, that verse is not usually used for the American 0:30:15.660 --> 0:30:18.980 church at first. It's usually used for the American government. Okay. 0:30:19.010 --> 0:30:24.050 American nation. Uh, people misapply it that way. When you 0:30:24.050 --> 0:30:25.640 look at this. It says when I shut up the 0:30:25.640 --> 0:30:28.280 heavens so that there is no rain. That's verse 13. 0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:31.190 Or command the locust to devour the land or send 0:30:31.220 --> 0:30:34.640 pestilence among my people. That's talking about what God did 0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:40.100 for Israel. Uh, what he promised in Leviticus 26 about 0:30:40.100 --> 0:30:42.740 what he would do with Israel, uh, what he promised 0:30:42.740 --> 0:30:45.140 in Deuteronomy 28 through 30, what he would do with 0:30:45.140 --> 0:30:48.800 Israel if they disobeyed, uh, there would be consequences. But 0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:50.990 then he says, if my people who are called by 0:30:50.990 --> 0:30:56.540 my name. That's talking about my people Israel, and pray 0:30:56.540 --> 0:30:59.330 and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, 0:30:59.330 --> 0:31:02.150 then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive 0:31:02.180 --> 0:31:05.240 their sin and heal their land. The land of Israel, 0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:08.630 that's what it's talking about. And so we can't take 0:31:08.630 --> 0:31:11.810 those promises that God made to national Israel and say 0:31:11.810 --> 0:31:14.600 that applies to the United States somehow, as if we 0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:16.970 are the people of Israel. But what we can say 0:31:16.970 --> 0:31:21.170 is there's a principle there of God restoring and forgiving, 0:31:21.170 --> 0:31:23.510 and the way he will do that is in the 0:31:23.510 --> 0:31:27.140 American church, which I think sometimes has lost its degree 0:31:27.140 --> 0:31:34.670 of desire for holiness, of there's compromise about doctrine. There's 0:31:34.670 --> 0:31:36.980 sadness to me when I look at sometimes at the 0:31:36.980 --> 0:31:40.670 state of our congregations in many places, not always, but 0:31:40.670 --> 0:31:46.040 in many places. And so, uh, what will God do 0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:50.750 when people in the church, uh, it's not talking about 0:31:51.020 --> 0:31:53.570 withholding rain or sending locusts, but it's saying, what will 0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:56.990 God do? Uh, well, if we turn to him and 0:31:56.990 --> 0:32:00.920 seek him, he will restore the church. And maybe, just maybe, 0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:03.080 the church will then have a greater impact. And we 0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:06.110 even see revival wherever we are when we do that. 0:32:06.110 --> 0:32:08.660 So that's what I think that verse is talking about. 0:32:08.690 --> 0:32:11.420 Okay. All right. Thank you for that question, Lori. Next 0:32:11.420 --> 0:32:16.100 question is from Carrie who listens to WNBA, WNBA and says, 0:32:16.100 --> 0:32:18.410 what does it mean to be born again? A neighbor 0:32:18.410 --> 0:32:21.110 asked me this and I tried to explain it, but 0:32:21.110 --> 0:32:22.970 I don't think I was very clear. 0:32:23.090 --> 0:32:28.820 So that I remember once a woman trusted the Lord 0:32:29.180 --> 0:32:33.080 with me in a congregation during a service, I gave 0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:35.870 an invitation. She responded, I was talking with her afterwards. 0:32:35.870 --> 0:32:39.020 And this is, oh, a long time ago, probably 30, 0:32:39.050 --> 0:32:42.440 34 years ago, she said to me, but I'm not 0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:47.210 going to become one of those born agains. I said, okay. 0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:50.870 And then I just went over with her, uh, some 0:32:50.870 --> 0:32:54.140 passages about security. Then about six months later, she was 0:32:54.140 --> 0:32:56.240 in my congregation. I was her pastor. She came to 0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:59.000 me and she said, you know, I've been working. I've 0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:02.180 been making my way through the gospel since I accepted Jesus. 0:33:02.180 --> 0:33:06.080 I said, oh, that's great. She said, I've been born again. 0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:09.290 And you didn't tell me. I said, well, yeah. I 0:33:09.290 --> 0:33:12.590 didn't think she meant sociologically. She didn't like what she 0:33:12.590 --> 0:33:15.450 had heard about people who are born again. So I 0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:20.850 decided not to tell her about that. Uh, it said, uh, 0:33:20.850 --> 0:33:27.930 it's in John three. Uh, when when the Lord Jesus 0:33:27.930 --> 0:33:33.000 talks to Nicodemus. Uh, unless you unless someone is born again, 0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:35.850 he cannot see the kingdom of God. But how can 0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:38.400 anyone be born when he is old? Can he enter 0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:41.190 his mother's womb a second time and be born? I 0:33:41.190 --> 0:33:44.940 think Nicodemus was being a little facetious there. Jesus answered, 0:33:44.940 --> 0:33:49.950 I assure you, unless someone is born of water and 0:33:49.950 --> 0:33:53.580 the spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. Whatever 0:33:53.580 --> 0:33:56.340 is born of the flesh is flesh. Whatever is born 0:33:56.370 --> 0:34:01.020 of the spirit is spirit. Uh, now, I think we don't. 0:34:01.020 --> 0:34:03.990 We have another question about what does it mean? We do. Uh, 0:34:03.990 --> 0:34:06.479 so I'm going to answer both those questions. What does 0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:08.250 it mean to be born of water and born of spirit? 0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:13.750 Some people think that born of water means, uh, to 0:34:13.780 --> 0:34:16.690 be baptized? I don't think so. Look at the context. 0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:21.640 It's talking about being born again. Right? Mhm. Uh, and 0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:24.189 then he says to be born of water and the spirit, 0:34:24.190 --> 0:34:27.009 and then he defines it by saying that which is 0:34:27.010 --> 0:34:29.290 born of the flesh is flesh. Whatever is born of 0:34:29.290 --> 0:34:32.620 the spirit is spirit. So what does it mean? It 0:34:32.650 --> 0:34:35.020 means to be born of water means to be born 0:34:35.020 --> 0:34:37.870 in the flesh. Why? Because when a person is born, 0:34:37.870 --> 0:34:42.279 what happens? Uh, to the mom, the amniotic fluid breaks, 0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:46.450 the water breaks. Mhm. That's. So it's referring there to 0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:50.650 physical birth. Uh, it's one thing. One, one birth is 0:34:50.650 --> 0:34:54.399 physical birth. But the second birth to be born again. 0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:57.669 The new birth is to be born of the spirit. Uh, 0:34:57.670 --> 0:35:02.500 when the the Holy Spirit empowers us to trust in Jesus, 0:35:02.500 --> 0:35:06.520 opens our hearts to believe. And we have a spiritual 0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:10.630 rebirth that's to be born again. Uh, so to be 0:35:10.630 --> 0:35:14.010 born again of the spirit. Uh, that which is flesh 0:35:14.010 --> 0:35:16.350 is flesh. That's what it means to be born of water. 0:35:16.380 --> 0:35:19.740 We are all. Every person that's alive is born of water. 0:35:19.739 --> 0:35:24.090 We are born physically. But those of us who trust 0:35:24.090 --> 0:35:26.760 in Jesus, we are born of the spirit. It's a 0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:31.620 new birth. That's why second Corinthians 517 says that we 0:35:31.620 --> 0:35:36.090 are new creatures in the Messiah, uh, completely transformed and 0:35:36.090 --> 0:35:39.480 given new life. That's what that's talking about. 0:35:39.510 --> 0:35:43.379 Okay, so how how does that happen? How does that happen? 0:35:43.380 --> 0:35:45.089 How does someone born of the spirit. 0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:48.750 Yeah, the the new birth. Here's here's the key. We 0:35:48.750 --> 0:35:51.870 have to recognize that we all do things wrong. Every 0:35:51.870 --> 0:35:55.739 one of us. And that separates us from God. But 0:35:55.739 --> 0:36:02.430 Jesus died for our sins and was raised again so 0:36:02.430 --> 0:36:05.910 that he could take the punishment that we deserved, and 0:36:05.910 --> 0:36:09.030 then was raised again, proving that he did and that 0:36:09.030 --> 0:36:12.540 he's God. All we have to do is trust in him. 0:36:12.540 --> 0:36:15.719 And if you're listening and think, I have only been 0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:18.989 born once, it's time to be born again. It's time 0:36:18.989 --> 0:36:21.959 to be born of the spirit. It's time to put 0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:24.690 your trust in Jesus. I really want to encourage you. 0:36:24.690 --> 0:36:27.660 If you've never put your trust in Jesus, now is 0:36:27.660 --> 0:36:31.020 the day. Today is the day. Don't miss the opportunity 0:36:31.020 --> 0:36:33.930 to trust in Jesus, to be forgiven and have a 0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:38.340 forever relationship with him and abundant life today. That's the 0:36:38.340 --> 0:36:42.870 great news of being born again. Don't understand it sociologically. 0:36:42.900 --> 0:36:44.880 Oh yeah, I've heard about those born agains. Like that 0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:48.210 friend said to me all those years ago. No, take 0:36:48.210 --> 0:36:51.960 it for what Jesus meant to experience a new birth 0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:55.800 with God, to become his child forever and ever. What 0:36:55.830 --> 0:36:58.980 a great, great opportunity. So so. 0:36:59.010 --> 0:37:02.910 So do they need to do anything? Well, I should 0:37:02.910 --> 0:37:06.000 say too, on our website. Um, if you. 0:37:06.030 --> 0:37:08.190 Go, they don't have to. No one has to do anything. 0:37:08.219 --> 0:37:11.440 It's not a deed, okay? It's a trust. You trust 0:37:11.469 --> 0:37:13.750 when you sit in a chair, you trust that the 0:37:13.750 --> 0:37:15.339 chair is going to hold you, right? You don't look 0:37:15.370 --> 0:37:18.130 at it and check out the legs or anything like that. 0:37:18.489 --> 0:37:21.430 You trust it? Well, that's what we have to trust. 0:37:21.430 --> 0:37:25.299 That believing. Trusting in Jesus. It says a good way 0:37:25.300 --> 0:37:27.969 of thinking of it is receive him. Receive him into 0:37:27.969 --> 0:37:30.730 our lives. Uh, the reason I say that's a good 0:37:30.730 --> 0:37:32.529 way of looking at it. It says as many as 0:37:32.530 --> 0:37:36.759 received him in John one. As many as received him. 0:37:37.210 --> 0:37:39.940 To them he gave the right to become children of God, 0:37:39.940 --> 0:37:42.940 even those who believed on his name and all he 0:37:42.940 --> 0:37:46.060 is so believing that he died for us and rose again. 0:37:46.060 --> 0:37:49.780 Trust that. And that's all. Uh, and there is a 0:37:49.780 --> 0:37:52.120 place where you can see this kind of laid out, uh, 0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:54.160 near our website. Right. Isn't that what you're going to 0:37:54.190 --> 0:37:55.089 refer to right now? 0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:57.820 It was. Yeah. If you go to Open Line radio.org 0:37:57.820 --> 0:38:02.020 on the top right corner, there are some words that 0:38:02.020 --> 0:38:06.160 say Know Christ and you can click on that. Um, 0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:09.950 and it takes you to a website, our website that 0:38:09.950 --> 0:38:11.840 says how to know Christ. And it kind of walks 0:38:11.840 --> 0:38:15.110 through this. What does knowing Jesus mean? There's a video, 0:38:15.140 --> 0:38:17.390 a short video from doctor Mark Jobe, who's the president 0:38:17.420 --> 0:38:21.439 of Moody Bible Institute, and then goes over, if you 0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:24.620 are a visual person and you want to read the verses, 0:38:24.620 --> 0:38:29.089 they're linked and they're written out on this website. Um, 0:38:29.090 --> 0:38:31.940 some of what Michael was just talking about. Yeah. And 0:38:31.940 --> 0:38:34.609 then there's a list if you want to request, uh, 0:38:34.610 --> 0:38:38.600 let us know and request, um, some free resources from us. 0:38:38.750 --> 0:38:39.620 Yep. 0:38:39.800 --> 0:38:42.140 Uh, I'm going to we're going to go to break now. Yeah. 0:38:42.170 --> 0:38:45.950 But listen, don't don't wait. Put your trust in him. 0:38:45.950 --> 0:38:48.920 Just tell him I know I've done things wrong. I 0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:51.799 believe Jesus died for those wrong things and was raised again. 0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:54.979 And I trust in him. Don't miss the opportunity. Take 0:38:54.980 --> 0:38:56.690 it now. We're going to be back with more of 0:38:56.690 --> 0:38:59.180 your questions in just a bit. That was Tricia McMillan, 0:38:59.180 --> 0:39:19.880 and I'm Michael Radonich. We'll be right back. Welcome back 0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:22.580 to Open Line. I want to remind everyone that we've 0:39:22.580 --> 0:39:26.600 got the summit opposing anti-Semitism coming up next Saturday. We 0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:29.390 have a special program with some interviews of people participating 0:39:29.390 --> 0:39:33.140 in the program for next Saturday. Please be sure to 0:39:33.170 --> 0:39:36.440 join us if you can. November 9th. The best way 0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:38.600 to find out about it to join us here at 0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:42.319 Moody is go to Open Line radio.org. There's a link there. Uh, 0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:45.110 click on that and you can find all about that 0:39:45.110 --> 0:39:48.440 very important, uh, one day conference that we're doing at 0:39:48.469 --> 0:39:53.029 Moody Bible Institute. Next Saturday, November 9th, we're going to 0:39:53.060 --> 0:39:58.010 speak with Celeste in Naples, Florida, listening on Spotify. Welcome 0:39:58.010 --> 0:40:00.560 to Open Line. Celeste, how can I help you today? 0:40:00.590 --> 0:40:01.430 Good morning. 0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:03.650 Good morning. How are you? 0:40:03.680 --> 0:40:06.330 We're great. Go ahead. We're sort of in in the 0:40:06.330 --> 0:40:09.390 rapid fire question time. So just go ahead with your question. 0:40:10.590 --> 0:40:14.310 Um, I as I mature and I start to go 0:40:14.310 --> 0:40:19.259 to many funerals and I'm planning for my funeral, I'd 0:40:19.260 --> 0:40:22.620 like to know what the Bible says about cremation because 0:40:22.620 --> 0:40:24.420 I'm thinking about doing that. 0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:28.080 Okay. A lot of people are interested in cremation now 0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:34.529 because it is a cheaper way of of dealing with death, 0:40:34.530 --> 0:40:38.339 in a sense, physical death. Uh, on the one hand, 0:40:38.370 --> 0:40:43.649 there's nothing in the Bible that says, no, you can't. Uh, 0:40:43.860 --> 0:40:47.549 so I don't think there's any problem. I think God 0:40:47.550 --> 0:40:50.129 can raise us up from ashes. He doesn't need us 0:40:50.130 --> 0:40:55.350 to decompose only, uh, so that's that's, uh, God can 0:40:55.350 --> 0:40:58.380 resurrect us. On the other hand, in the Bible, there's 0:40:58.380 --> 0:41:02.130 never been a case where someone was cremated that it 0:41:02.130 --> 0:41:05.770 wasn't to emphasize sort of disapproval by God. It was 0:41:05.770 --> 0:41:09.610 never the normal way of dealing with it. But that's 0:41:09.610 --> 0:41:14.950 just an example in the Bible. So I personally prefer burial, 0:41:14.980 --> 0:41:21.010 but that's because the Bible never really, uh, uses, uh, 0:41:21.010 --> 0:41:24.940 cremation as a means of affirming someone's life. I want 0:41:24.969 --> 0:41:28.150 to honor the body. It was a holy vessel, uh, 0:41:28.150 --> 0:41:31.930 that that carried the eternal spirit. That's how I understand it. 0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:34.870 Hope that helps, Celeste. Thank you. Uh, we're going to 0:41:34.870 --> 0:41:38.260 speak to John in the lightning round now. John, just 0:41:38.260 --> 0:41:40.210 go ahead with your question, okay? 0:41:41.230 --> 0:41:41.410 Hey. 0:41:41.410 --> 0:41:44.080 Good morning. My question is, what is the role and 0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:47.980 activities of the Holy Spirit in eternity? 0:41:49.690 --> 0:41:53.259 The Bible really doesn't talk about it. So it's really 0:41:53.260 --> 0:41:55.900 hard for me to say what, you know, when we 0:41:55.900 --> 0:41:57.700 talk about the new heavens and new earth, it doesn't 0:41:57.730 --> 0:42:00.129 talk about what the Holy Spirit's role will be. I'm 0:42:00.130 --> 0:42:03.770 sure he will have one, But it's not revealed. And 0:42:03.770 --> 0:42:06.470 so I'm just going to wait and see. Okay, John. 0:42:07.219 --> 0:42:10.280 Well, maybe I'll cancel next Sunday's Sunday school class then. 0:42:10.310 --> 0:42:11.450 Just have a party. 0:42:13.100 --> 0:42:14.509 I think. Hey, listen. 0:42:14.540 --> 0:42:16.880 I don't think we party enough. That's what I think. 0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:17.990 That's what I think. 0:42:18.380 --> 0:42:20.779 Okay. Well. Thank you. Thanks. 0:42:21.050 --> 0:42:23.960 Yeah. Thanks for your call, John. Appreciate it. We're going 0:42:23.989 --> 0:42:29.779 to speak with Don listening in Florida and R'n'B. Welcome 0:42:29.780 --> 0:42:32.029 to Open Line. Don. How can I help you today? 0:42:33.020 --> 0:42:37.640 Oh, Doctor Rydell, we're having an issue with Ephesians 289. 0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:39.739 For by grace are you saved through faith? Well, some 0:42:39.739 --> 0:42:41.750 people are saying, well, it's not just faith, it's faith 0:42:41.780 --> 0:42:43.969 plus repentance. How would I respond to that? 0:42:44.600 --> 0:42:45.500 Well. 0:42:46.550 --> 0:42:52.310 Uh, repentance is, uh, in one there's one word that's used, uh, 0:42:52.310 --> 0:42:58.489 for repentance. Uh, that means change your mind. And so, 0:42:58.489 --> 0:43:04.259 for example, in Acts three. When Jesus talks. When Peter 0:43:04.260 --> 0:43:10.080 talks to a Jewish crowd, he tells them that Jesus 0:43:10.110 --> 0:43:13.649 is both Lord and Messiah and and they rejected him. 0:43:13.650 --> 0:43:17.730 But they should repent, change their mind. In other words, 0:43:17.730 --> 0:43:20.520 stop trusting in what they were trusting in and start 0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:25.319 trusting in Jesus. Change their mind about Jesus. So that's 0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:29.550 what it is. And uh, in a sense, repentance and 0:43:29.550 --> 0:43:34.710 faith are two sides of the same coin. On the 0:43:34.710 --> 0:43:39.480 one hand, uh, it's turning away from what we used 0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:43.770 to trust and turning to the one we do trust. 0:43:43.770 --> 0:43:48.360 That's what the role of repentance and faith is. Uh, 0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:50.880 so it's two sides of the same coin. It's turning 0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:53.280 away and turning to. That's another word that's used for 0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:56.880 repentance is turn. And I, I think that one of 0:43:56.880 --> 0:44:00.690 the best passages that teach about that turn from and 0:44:00.690 --> 0:44:05.130 turn to uh, which is what repentance and faith is, 0:44:05.160 --> 0:44:12.930 is in first Thessalonians chapter one, when Paul commends the Thessalonians, 0:44:12.930 --> 0:44:18.270 he says, uh, for they themselves report that's the Macedonians 0:44:18.270 --> 0:44:20.820 and AK in every place. Therefore we don't need to 0:44:20.820 --> 0:44:24.900 say anything, for they themselves report what kind of reception 0:44:24.900 --> 0:44:28.980 we had from you, the Thessalonians, how you turned to 0:44:29.010 --> 0:44:35.730 God from idols to serve the living and true God, 0:44:35.730 --> 0:44:37.830 and wait for his son from heaven. What did they do? 0:44:37.860 --> 0:44:42.299 They turned away from idols, and they turned to service 0:44:42.330 --> 0:44:45.330 to God, to trust in God and follow the true God. 0:44:45.330 --> 0:44:49.319 They trusted in Jesus, uh, whom he raised from the dead, 0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:52.620 Jesus who rescues us from the coming wrath. So on 0:44:52.620 --> 0:44:57.180 the one hand, uh, repentance is turning away from that, 0:44:57.180 --> 0:45:02.590 that old life and turning to a new life. Uh, okay, Susie, 0:45:02.620 --> 0:45:05.380 thanks for your call. Don. Susie. You're up. Ask your 0:45:05.380 --> 0:45:07.779 question really fast. Okay. 0:45:08.050 --> 0:45:11.259 Doctor Melnick, thank you very much. In the new heaven 0:45:11.260 --> 0:45:15.400 and the new earth, are the Christians kept in heaven 0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:20.739 and the Gentiles in heaven and the Israelites on earth? 0:45:21.280 --> 0:45:23.739 I don't think that's true. I think the new heaven 0:45:23.739 --> 0:45:26.650 and the new earth is just another way of saying 0:45:26.650 --> 0:45:30.489 it's a new creation, that there's going to be a 0:45:30.489 --> 0:45:34.060 new creation, not a heaven where some people go and 0:45:34.060 --> 0:45:37.210 an earth where other people go. It's an entire new creation. 0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:39.370 Think about how the Bible begins. In the beginning, God 0:45:39.370 --> 0:45:43.390 created what the heavens and the earth and then what 0:45:43.390 --> 0:45:46.810 he's going to do. Revelation 21 and 22. He's going 0:45:46.810 --> 0:45:49.480 to make a new heavens and a new earth. A 0:45:49.480 --> 0:45:54.190 new creation. And whether we're Jewish or Gentile, we'll all 0:45:54.190 --> 0:45:57.589 get to be part of that new creation. It says 0:45:57.590 --> 0:46:02.150 at that time his servants will serve him and TJ, 0:46:02.150 --> 0:46:06.410 just so you know. Uh, uh, thanks for your call, Susie. TJ, 0:46:06.440 --> 0:46:08.840 I know you want to know about a Bible study 0:46:08.840 --> 0:46:13.070 about Exodus. James Hoffmeier produced Israel in Exodus. You can 0:46:13.070 --> 0:46:16.790 find that book. Uh, well, that's the program for the week. 0:46:16.790 --> 0:46:20.300 Thanks for listening, everyone. Especially thanks. If you called or 0:46:20.300 --> 0:46:23.420 wrote in, you make this program possible thanks to the 0:46:23.420 --> 0:46:29.270 Open Line team today, Tricia McMillan, Omar Mendoza, Tahira and Tiara, 0:46:29.300 --> 0:46:31.580 both of them. Keep in touch with us by going 0:46:31.610 --> 0:46:34.640 to our website. You can see everything you're looking for 0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:37.819 right there at Open Line radio.org, even the link to 0:46:37.850 --> 0:46:41.600 the upcoming summit opposing anti-Semitism. Keep reading the Bible. We'll 0:46:41.600 --> 0:46:44.569 talk about it next week. 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