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But I 41 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,480 S1: do hope you'll enjoy today's edition of The Best of 42 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,280 S1: In the Market with Janet Parshall. 43 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,240 S2: Here are some of the news headlines we're watching. 44 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,840 S3: The conference was over. The president won a pledge. 45 00:01:59,960 --> 00:02:02,000 S4: Americans worshipping government over God. 46 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,720 S5: Extremely rare safety move by MH 17 years. 47 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:07,800 S4: The Palestinians and Israelis negotiated. 48 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,120 S5: This is not true. 49 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,160 S1: Hi, friends. Welcome to In the Market with Janet partial. 50 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,240 S1: Thank you so much for joining us. You know, one 51 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,960 S1: of the privileges and I counted as such to be 52 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,560 S1: located here in the nation's capital is as a follower 53 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,280 S1: of Christ to bring to your attention issues, I think, 54 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,520 S1: that are of importance to us as followers of Jesus Christ. 55 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,960 S1: Our directive, scripturally, is to go and tell, and one 56 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,720 S1: of the blessings that we enjoy in this country, one 57 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,320 S1: of those inalienable rights, which means they were given to 58 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,920 S1: us by God, not by government, it's government's job to 59 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,880 S1: protect those rights. Is this idea of free speech. Why 60 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,960 S1: is free speech so important? Not so that I can 61 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,800 S1: make some obscene piece of art. Or set an American 62 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,400 S1: flag on fire. I get it, those are the troublesome cases. 63 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,760 S1: But free speech means you and I can tell somebody 64 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,320 S1: over the airwaves, over the print, on the street corner, 65 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,960 S1: over our backyard fence. Hey, Jesus loves you. And he's 66 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,239 S1: the way, the truth and the life. And no man 67 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,079 S1: comes to the father. But through Jesus, we don't have 68 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,960 S1: to give equal time, equal footing because we have so 69 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,960 S1: many multiple gazillion media outlets. Now, if you don't like it, 70 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,000 S1: change the channel. There is no fairness doctrine anymore. And 71 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,840 S1: we're very, very blessed because of all of the avalanche 72 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,480 S1: of technology that we've got. But there is mission creep happening. 73 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,720 S1: It is enshrined in that First Amendment. The founders knew 74 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,560 S1: exactly what they were doing under the divine hand of Providence, 75 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,360 S1: if I may use their words to put together in 76 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,560 S1: that assemblage of the First Amendment, those precious rights that 77 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:49,080 S1: were so crucial to keeping and protecting a republic, a democracy. 78 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,400 S1: And one of them was, of course, the freedom of 79 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,640 S1: speech and also the freedom to assemble, the freedom to worship. 80 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,040 S1: That government wasn't going to establish a religion by any 81 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,520 S1: stretch of the imagination. You were left to the rights 82 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,800 S1: of your own conscience to make that kind of decision. 83 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,800 S1: So we as believers don't engage in the protection of 84 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,160 S1: the First Amendment for political reasons. Let others do that. 85 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,120 S1: We engage in the protection of the First Amendment to 86 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,559 S1: protect our right in this country, to proclaim without blush, embarrassment, hesitation, 87 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:20,160 S1: or government intrusion the full counsel of God. We talk 88 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,280 S1: regularly on this program with representatives from countries all around 89 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,880 S1: the globe where that precious liberty is not present, and 90 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,719 S1: as a result, they're floating Bibles over the North Korean 91 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,400 S1: South Korean Division line, the DMZ, and they're sending Bibles 92 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,720 S1: over with helium balloons so that people can get it 93 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,640 S1: in North Korea. You can't set up a Christian radio station, 94 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,880 S1: and most of the countries that are Islamic dominated, you 95 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,360 S1: can't have a church, you can't preach the gospel and 96 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,279 S1: now go to countries like our neighbors just on the 97 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,320 S1: other side of the pond. When we start looking at 98 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,160 S1: what's happening in the UK, it's a severe threat. And 99 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,719 S1: so Congress picked up on that. And in September of 100 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,440 S1: last year, they had their first hearing on what they 101 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,680 S1: recognized as the European threat to American speech and innovation. 102 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,800 S1: So they held a hearing in September. They brought in 103 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,680 S1: four witnesses, and they wanted to examine European threats to 104 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,760 S1: American free speech and innovation and innovation. So they specifically 105 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,480 S1: looked at the UK Online Safety Act. It's called the OSA. 106 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:15,680 S1: By the way, I'm going to give you a lot 107 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,960 S1: of initials. That's what we talk here in DC and 108 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,919 S1: the European Union's Digital Services Act. This is a biggie. 109 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,400 S1: The DSA and how all of those are threatening American's 110 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,159 S1: right to free speech online. Now it's an over there 111 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,600 S1: problem you think. But you would be mistaken. It is 112 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,360 S1: very much of a problem that's here right now. So 113 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,239 S1: what they decided to do in the beginning of this 114 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,200 S1: month was to have another hearing. This time the hearing 115 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,200 S1: was called Europe's Threat to American Free Speech and Innovation, 116 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,239 S1: Part two. And during the course of this, the purpose 117 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,240 S1: was to highlight the threats to free speech. They brought 118 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,960 S1: in four witnesses Graham Linehan, who is a journalist, but 119 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,480 S1: he's also a comedian, a comedian who's a writer and 120 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,400 S1: a director, Lorcan Price, he's a barrister, part of the 121 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:03,800 S1: Alliance Defending Freedom International branch Doctor Ronson. We'll talk more 122 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,920 S1: about her. A member of the Finnish parliament. Oh, what 123 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,159 S1: she's been through. And then they brought in the executive 124 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,840 S1: director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Minnesota to 125 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:13,640 S1: kind of set the stage. I want you to hear 126 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,800 S1: from Lorcan Price again, barrister legal counsel with Alliance Defending 127 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,800 S1: Freedom International. He had this to say. 128 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,560 S6: I'm delighted to share the panel today with fellow Irishmen 129 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,440 S6: Graham Lennon. I'm not a comedy writer, so I won't 130 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,880 S6: make a joke about two Irishmen who walk into Congress. 131 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:30,960 S6: Of course I might be arrested on returning to London, 132 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,000 S6: as you experience Graham, I'm also delighted to share it 133 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,640 S6: with our client, who will speak in due course about 134 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,480 S6: her ordeal in Finland. On the last occasion that we spoke, 135 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,680 S6: ladies and gentlemen, on this subject, we had a discussion 136 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,760 S6: on the censorship potential of the EU's Digital Services Act. 137 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,680 S6: And at that point we were speaking in the theoretical. 138 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,200 S6: It may cause censorship, it has the potential to affect 139 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,240 S6: Americans and so on. And many were not convinced. However, 140 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,880 S6: now it's unmistakable that it has indeed caused the censorship 141 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:03,640 S6: that we warned of. We have moved from theory to practice. 142 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,640 S6: There can be no doubt that the European Digital Services 143 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,680 S6: Act is the tip of a massive censorship industrial complex. 144 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,400 S6: The enormous fines levied on X Corporation by the European 145 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,360 S6: Commission since the last hearing has proved beyond all doubt 146 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,200 S6: that the European Union means to strangle free speech by 147 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,040 S6: a systemic assault on US companies. The EU has a 148 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:28,120 S6: multi-pronged strategy to open multiple investigations, to add more and 149 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:32,360 S6: more regulations and to impose crippling fines, and ultimately, I fear, 150 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,120 S6: to attempt to break up or ban companies such as 151 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,240 S6: X who are pro free speech. But it goes deeper. 152 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,680 S6: This censorship campaign is not just aimed at destroying free 153 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:46,390 S6: speech in Europe, it's about imposing European laws globally. Make 154 00:07:46,390 --> 00:07:50,670 S6: no mistake that Europeans draconian Europe's draconian speech laws are 155 00:07:50,670 --> 00:07:54,910 S6: being imposed on your citizens via global content moderation rules, 156 00:07:54,910 --> 00:07:58,470 S6: as indeed, this committee's investigation has so aptly pointed out, 157 00:07:59,150 --> 00:08:02,070 S6: the EU's obsession with eliminating free speech means they have 158 00:08:02,070 --> 00:08:06,910 S6: a global campaign to ensure that all speech online and 159 00:08:07,110 --> 00:08:11,270 S6: platforms that allow it are banning illegal content to prevent, quote, 160 00:08:11,310 --> 00:08:16,830 S6: systemic risk to the discourse. US companies are therefore transformed 161 00:08:16,830 --> 00:08:19,790 S6: into a global censorship police. They must engage in a 162 00:08:19,790 --> 00:08:25,190 S6: process of analyzing how platform design algorithms and content moderation 163 00:08:25,190 --> 00:08:30,270 S6: impacts public debate, misinformation and media pluralism. This is what 164 00:08:30,270 --> 00:08:32,830 S6: is being forced on American companies today. 165 00:08:33,030 --> 00:08:34,990 S1: So why are we having this conversation? By the way, 166 00:08:35,030 --> 00:08:37,270 S1: Craig partial is with me because whenever we talk about 167 00:08:37,270 --> 00:08:40,110 S1: a biblical worldview and the Constitution, there's no better person 168 00:08:40,110 --> 00:08:43,150 S1: to talk about that than Craig Parshall thrilled he's with us. 169 00:08:43,150 --> 00:08:45,110 S1: But let me just kind of set the background that 170 00:08:45,110 --> 00:08:46,870 S1: I want to ask you a question. Craig and I 171 00:08:46,870 --> 00:08:49,069 S1: have a ton of audio. You can't be here. I 172 00:08:49,070 --> 00:08:53,150 S1: brought it to you. And this was a woefully underreported event. 173 00:08:53,150 --> 00:08:55,550 S1: And so much of the gospel was the core of 174 00:08:55,550 --> 00:08:57,069 S1: the hearing on the Hill, which is why I'm sharing 175 00:08:57,070 --> 00:08:59,230 S1: it with you. So if you're like most Americans, your 176 00:08:59,230 --> 00:09:01,670 S1: idea of global censorship is that it's bad, but it 177 00:09:01,670 --> 00:09:04,030 S1: doesn't feel like it's a real threat. The fact is 178 00:09:04,150 --> 00:09:10,550 S1: that 30 British subjects are arrested, arrested every day for, quote, speech. Crime. 179 00:09:10,590 --> 00:09:14,189 S1: Sounds dire, but distance that's over there. But it's going 180 00:09:14,230 --> 00:09:17,869 S1: to come here. The ongoing crusade to arrest and prosecute 181 00:09:17,870 --> 00:09:21,469 S1: UK grandmothers and clergy members for tweets and peaceful and 182 00:09:21,510 --> 00:09:26,030 S1: peaceful protests is infuriating, but it's also far from our shores. 183 00:09:26,230 --> 00:09:29,110 S1: One would think. This hearing points out the fact that 184 00:09:29,110 --> 00:09:31,630 S1: it's not far at all. It's already here. We'll give 185 00:09:31,630 --> 00:09:45,790 S1: you more right after this. Are you constantly feeling like 186 00:09:45,790 --> 00:09:47,830 S1: God is disappointed in you, or do you feel like 187 00:09:47,830 --> 00:09:50,350 S1: he's too busy for your problems? Well, that's why I've 188 00:09:50,350 --> 00:09:53,390 S1: chosen secure how to have a healthy attachment to God 189 00:09:53,390 --> 00:09:56,270 S1: as this month's truth tool. Learn to grasp the depth 190 00:09:56,270 --> 00:09:58,990 S1: of God's love for you. Ask for your copy of secure. 191 00:09:58,990 --> 00:10:01,070 S1: When you give a gift of any amount in the market, 192 00:10:01,070 --> 00:10:06,350 S1: call 87758. That's 87758 or go to in the market 193 00:10:06,350 --> 00:10:06,830 S1: with Janet. 194 00:10:12,630 --> 00:10:16,430 S6: If they don't comply then they face possibly endless investigations 195 00:10:16,429 --> 00:10:20,550 S6: and crippling fines. There are multiple ongoing investigations into X, 196 00:10:20,590 --> 00:10:25,270 S6: including for not allowing illegal content in Europe. Illegal content 197 00:10:25,270 --> 00:10:28,390 S6: can mean calling a German politician an idiot or posting, 198 00:10:28,390 --> 00:10:31,270 S6: as we know, a Bible verse. So let's be clear 199 00:10:31,270 --> 00:10:34,790 S6: what's happening to X now is that free speech is 200 00:10:34,790 --> 00:10:37,270 S6: such a threat to the European elites that they will 201 00:10:37,309 --> 00:10:41,390 S6: either cripple X with fines and investigations. Break up the 202 00:10:41,390 --> 00:10:43,670 S6: company or force them to bend the knee at the 203 00:10:43,670 --> 00:10:47,190 S6: altar of censorship. I hope that they stand strong because 204 00:10:47,190 --> 00:10:50,070 S6: we need free speech in Europe now more than ever. 205 00:10:50,429 --> 00:10:52,790 S6: I want to commend this committee on its investigation, which 206 00:10:52,790 --> 00:10:56,069 S6: shows that US companies are already having to adopt EU 207 00:10:56,110 --> 00:10:59,310 S6: standards in relation to their content moderation policies, so it 208 00:10:59,309 --> 00:11:03,670 S6: is directly affecting to answer Congressman Raskin's point. First amendment 209 00:11:03,710 --> 00:11:08,069 S6: rights of Americans today in practice. There are ongoing actions 210 00:11:08,070 --> 00:11:11,430 S6: as well under the Digital Markets Act and various other regulations. 211 00:11:11,750 --> 00:11:14,230 S6: And I think it's fair to say that it's become 212 00:11:14,230 --> 00:11:18,069 S6: a point where the European Union has fines of American 213 00:11:18,070 --> 00:11:20,790 S6: companies as a line item in their annual budget. Last year, 214 00:11:20,790 --> 00:11:24,910 S6: three or roughly €3.8 billion, was levied in fines against 215 00:11:24,910 --> 00:11:28,510 S6: US companies. National countries are also trying to get into 216 00:11:28,510 --> 00:11:31,030 S6: the act. We saw that the French police raided Aix's 217 00:11:31,070 --> 00:11:34,790 S6: offices in Paris just this week, and the Spanish prime 218 00:11:34,790 --> 00:11:38,870 S6: minister has announced criminal liability against company owners for so-called 219 00:11:38,870 --> 00:11:42,670 S6: hate speech. I have submitted in my written testimony a 220 00:11:42,950 --> 00:11:45,469 S6: excerpts of the ridiculous hate speech laws that we have 221 00:11:45,470 --> 00:11:48,590 S6: to suffer under in Europe. Of course, hate speech has 222 00:11:48,590 --> 00:11:51,270 S6: no real meaning other than speech they hate. And what 223 00:11:51,270 --> 00:11:53,990 S6: I would say to our American friends is, you cannot 224 00:11:53,990 --> 00:11:56,950 S6: allow the EU's rules on hate speech to be imposed 225 00:11:56,950 --> 00:12:00,550 S6: on the entire digital world via the DSA. Americans know 226 00:12:00,550 --> 00:12:02,230 S6: how this goes. When this committee in the past has 227 00:12:02,230 --> 00:12:07,790 S6: imposed censorship around Covid tech, censorship, denudes and eliminates free 228 00:12:07,830 --> 00:12:10,510 S6: speech online. The threat is real and it is with 229 00:12:10,510 --> 00:12:10,990 S6: us now. 230 00:12:12,309 --> 00:12:16,870 S1: That is attorney Larkin Price. He's with Alliance Defending Freedom International. 231 00:12:16,910 --> 00:12:18,630 S1: He's their legal counsel. And that was part of his 232 00:12:18,630 --> 00:12:21,750 S1: testimony on Capitol Hill. So we are sharing with you 233 00:12:21,750 --> 00:12:24,230 S1: a hearing that was held this month in front of 234 00:12:24,230 --> 00:12:27,190 S1: the US House of Representatives Judiciary Committee, chaired by Jim 235 00:12:27,190 --> 00:12:30,030 S1: Jordan of Ohio. And he has made it clear that 236 00:12:30,030 --> 00:12:33,630 S1: this form of crushing online censorship isn't just headed to 237 00:12:33,630 --> 00:12:36,150 S1: the US. It's already here. How do we know that? 238 00:12:36,429 --> 00:12:40,630 S1: because Chairman Jordan has released subpoenaed evidence that the EU 239 00:12:40,790 --> 00:12:45,830 S1: has been has been pressuring American big tech platforms like Google, meta, TikTok, 240 00:12:45,870 --> 00:12:49,630 S1: Twitter and LinkedIn to censor content including content they knew 241 00:12:49,630 --> 00:12:53,750 S1: to be factually true since 2015. Craig, your thoughts so far? 242 00:12:54,070 --> 00:12:58,150 S7: Yeah, this is a multi-pronged attack on free speech that's 243 00:12:58,150 --> 00:13:00,390 S7: coming out of Europe and the rest of the world 244 00:13:00,390 --> 00:13:03,070 S7: against the United States, whether we know it or not. 245 00:13:03,070 --> 00:13:05,950 S7: And this is just one prong. That is the Digital 246 00:13:05,950 --> 00:13:10,110 S7: Services Act. This is their attempt to regulate internet, um, 247 00:13:10,150 --> 00:13:17,030 S7: companies and digital platforms like, uh, meta or Facebook, Instagram, uh, Google, uh, 248 00:13:17,070 --> 00:13:19,950 S7: Twitter that is now called X. But to show you 249 00:13:19,950 --> 00:13:26,150 S7: how outrageous their standard is substandard, I should say more accurately, uh, 250 00:13:26,150 --> 00:13:30,750 S7: in viewing what free speech is or isn't, in contrast 251 00:13:30,790 --> 00:13:33,830 S7: to our First Amendment over here and our ideas, robust 252 00:13:33,830 --> 00:13:37,829 S7: ideas of free speech over there. They've passed the DSA, 253 00:13:38,030 --> 00:13:43,109 S7: which really requires that you, um, are forced to censor 254 00:13:43,350 --> 00:13:47,750 S7: any ideas, any opinions that they deem to be either 255 00:13:47,750 --> 00:13:52,949 S7: hate speech or harmful to certain groups or certain ideas. Uh, 256 00:13:52,950 --> 00:13:58,190 S7: as a perfect example, during the last presidential election cycle, uh, 257 00:13:59,190 --> 00:14:01,750 S7: Elon Musk, who now owns X, that used to be 258 00:14:01,750 --> 00:14:05,430 S7: Twitter and big social media platform, was going to have 259 00:14:05,429 --> 00:14:09,230 S7: a live stream of one of the presidential candidates before 260 00:14:09,230 --> 00:14:12,870 S7: the election. He was sent a letter immediately before the 261 00:14:12,870 --> 00:14:18,709 S7: broadcast from the head of the digital regulatory agency in 262 00:14:18,710 --> 00:14:23,430 S7: the EU, warning him that he'd better watch, uh, what 263 00:14:23,430 --> 00:14:26,110 S7: is said on his platform and what is said in 264 00:14:26,150 --> 00:14:29,190 S7: that interview with the presidential candidate, because they will come 265 00:14:29,190 --> 00:14:32,470 S7: after him and he will be penalized, and he will, 266 00:14:32,590 --> 00:14:34,790 S7: and frankly, they will go after his platform as well 267 00:14:34,790 --> 00:14:37,230 S7: to try to shut it down. Uh, if they don't 268 00:14:37,270 --> 00:14:41,910 S7: agree with what's said in a live stream interview with 269 00:14:41,910 --> 00:14:46,310 S7: a presidential candidate in the United States, that's where this 270 00:14:46,310 --> 00:14:49,870 S7: is going. And that's how outrageous these particular acts are 271 00:14:49,910 --> 00:14:50,630 S7: over in Europe. 272 00:14:50,630 --> 00:14:52,150 S1: So let me give you a sense of how this 273 00:14:52,150 --> 00:14:55,150 S1: went back and forth on Capitol Hill. I want you 274 00:14:55,150 --> 00:14:57,310 S1: to hear this is a dialogue back and forth between 275 00:14:57,310 --> 00:15:01,790 S1: Congressman Harris from Maryland and Doctor Rosner. Now, by the way, 276 00:15:01,790 --> 00:15:03,870 S1: you heard reference to the DSA before. I told you 277 00:15:03,870 --> 00:15:08,150 S1: that would be crucial. That's the European Union's censorship machine. 278 00:15:08,150 --> 00:15:11,270 S1: They call it the Digital Services Act. This is going 279 00:15:11,270 --> 00:15:13,910 S1: to the core of why they think they can superimpose 280 00:15:14,070 --> 00:15:18,630 S1: on American corporations their perspective on speech and why they 281 00:15:18,630 --> 00:15:23,190 S1: think under that DSA, they can censor American companies. Now, 282 00:15:23,310 --> 00:15:26,670 S1: Doctor Rosen is from Finland. She's a member of parliament, 283 00:15:26,670 --> 00:15:30,510 S1: and she has been hounded by the Finnish government for 284 00:15:30,510 --> 00:15:33,510 S1: seven years. This was such an important case that even 285 00:15:33,510 --> 00:15:35,790 S1: the Billy Graham Association just released a press release on 286 00:15:35,790 --> 00:15:38,350 S1: her testimony recently, and I'll share that with you during 287 00:15:38,350 --> 00:15:40,550 S1: the course of our conversation this hour. But listen to 288 00:15:40,630 --> 00:15:44,430 S1: how Congressman Harris asked the question to Doctor Rossman about 289 00:15:44,430 --> 00:15:47,630 S1: what she did online that was so bad, terrible, awful 290 00:15:47,630 --> 00:15:49,350 S1: in quotation marks. Have a listen. 291 00:15:49,470 --> 00:15:53,870 S8: Bible verse. Did you post that caused you to be 292 00:15:53,910 --> 00:15:55,750 S8: criminally prosecuted? 293 00:15:57,710 --> 00:16:01,150 S9: Thank you. It was from the book of Romans, first 294 00:16:01,150 --> 00:16:04,590 S9: chapter and verses 24 to 27. 295 00:16:04,990 --> 00:16:09,630 S8: Okay. And could you help me know why you chose 296 00:16:09,670 --> 00:16:11,830 S8: that particular passage to post? 297 00:16:13,230 --> 00:16:18,270 S9: The Apostle Paul teaches in these verses about the marriage 298 00:16:18,270 --> 00:16:24,030 S9: and about the same sex are relationships, and he defines 299 00:16:24,030 --> 00:16:26,310 S9: them as sinful and shameful. 300 00:16:27,430 --> 00:16:30,910 S8: And what message were you trying to convey in that? 301 00:16:31,870 --> 00:16:39,910 S9: Uh, I wanted to make it clear that, uh, what 302 00:16:39,950 --> 00:16:45,910 S9: if the leadership of the church is supporting the pride event? 303 00:16:45,950 --> 00:16:51,750 S9: It is in contradiction with with its basis, the Bible. Mhm. 304 00:16:52,150 --> 00:16:55,670 S8: Okay. And after you posted the Bible verse, if I 305 00:16:55,670 --> 00:17:00,710 S8: understand correctly, you were charged under Finland's war crimes and 306 00:17:00,710 --> 00:17:02,630 S8: crimes against humanity law. 307 00:17:03,070 --> 00:17:06,310 S9: Yes. We have in that section we have a law 308 00:17:06,310 --> 00:17:09,030 S9: about agitation against minorities. 309 00:17:09,550 --> 00:17:14,070 S8: Wow. Well, as a pastor for 37 years now, myself, 310 00:17:14,510 --> 00:17:18,070 S8: to think of someone that can be criminally charged for 311 00:17:18,109 --> 00:17:22,149 S8: posting a Bible verse in the EU and NATO country 312 00:17:22,190 --> 00:17:26,590 S8: worries me deeply. And as you've already heard from this 313 00:17:26,590 --> 00:17:30,030 S8: panel today. God bless you. God bless you for coming 314 00:17:30,030 --> 00:17:33,390 S8: here today to share your story. And my prayer is 315 00:17:33,390 --> 00:17:36,429 S8: that it causes people to wake up to the threats 316 00:17:36,430 --> 00:17:39,429 S8: that we are facing from those who seek to undermine 317 00:17:39,630 --> 00:17:42,030 S8: our God given right to free expression. 318 00:17:42,550 --> 00:17:45,430 S1: Mm. So we're going to come back. We've got much 319 00:17:45,430 --> 00:17:48,070 S1: more from this. Again. I told you that was in 320 00:17:48,070 --> 00:17:51,070 S1: the dock. Ultimately, it isn't about cat pictures. And where 321 00:17:51,070 --> 00:17:53,910 S1: you ate at the restaurant last night. In the crosshairs 322 00:17:53,910 --> 00:17:55,909 S1: is the gospel of Jesus Christ. That's why this is 323 00:17:55,910 --> 00:17:58,510 S1: an extremely important hearing. And we've got so much more 324 00:17:58,510 --> 00:18:09,790 S1: to share with you right after this. We're going to 325 00:18:09,790 --> 00:18:12,189 S1: continue with our sharing with you. The audio from a 326 00:18:12,190 --> 00:18:15,149 S1: House Judiciary Committee hearing that was held this month entitled 327 00:18:15,150 --> 00:18:19,670 S1: Europe's Threat to American Speech and Innovation for witnesses. And 328 00:18:19,670 --> 00:18:22,950 S1: one of them was a member of the ACLU. Doctor. 329 00:18:23,109 --> 00:18:25,669 S1: Excuse me, Mr. Mail, who's the executive director of the 330 00:18:25,670 --> 00:18:29,950 S1: American Civil Liberties Union of Minnesota. Jim Jordan comes from Ohio. 331 00:18:29,950 --> 00:18:31,550 S1: He's a rep there, but he's also the chairman of 332 00:18:31,550 --> 00:18:34,350 S1: the House Judiciary Committee. And have a listen to how 333 00:18:34,350 --> 00:18:34,950 S1: that went. 334 00:18:35,710 --> 00:18:38,190 S10: Mr. Mayo, did the Biden administration censor people? 335 00:18:38,470 --> 00:18:40,670 S11: Thank you for your question. I'm here to talk about 336 00:18:40,670 --> 00:18:41,870 S11: what's happening. A simple. 337 00:18:41,869 --> 00:18:42,710 S10: Question did they do. 338 00:18:42,710 --> 00:18:43,190 S11: It on. 339 00:18:43,230 --> 00:18:46,870 S10: The previous administration? Censor American speech. You're from the ACLU 340 00:18:46,910 --> 00:18:48,190 S10: should care about that, too. 341 00:18:48,350 --> 00:18:50,830 S11: We we do care about free speech. But what I'm 342 00:18:50,869 --> 00:18:53,909 S11: talking about here today is the most significant threat. 343 00:18:54,109 --> 00:18:55,989 S10: I got that you said that every time Democrats ask 344 00:18:55,990 --> 00:18:57,470 S10: you a question, I want to know, did the previous 345 00:18:57,470 --> 00:18:59,270 S10: administration censor American speech? 346 00:19:00,750 --> 00:19:03,189 S11: Chair, this is not what is happening in Minnesota is 347 00:19:03,190 --> 00:19:03,950 S11: not normal. 348 00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:06,590 S10: Well, here's what Mark Zuckerberg said to the committee in 349 00:19:06,590 --> 00:19:10,310 S10: August of 2024. Senior officials from the Biden administration. 350 00:19:10,310 --> 00:19:13,110 S12: What on what time is the is the chairman asking this? 351 00:19:13,150 --> 00:19:14,310 S10: My time is ticking. 352 00:19:14,350 --> 00:19:17,669 S13: He hasn't gone yet. Okay. Could we restore the time? 353 00:19:17,710 --> 00:19:20,670 S10: The gentleman yields back, and it's my five minutes. Um, 354 00:19:21,270 --> 00:19:23,870 S10: officials from the Biden administration, including the white House, repeatedly 355 00:19:23,869 --> 00:19:27,550 S10: pressured our teams for months to censor Covid 19 content, 356 00:19:27,550 --> 00:19:32,830 S10: including humor and satire. Did it happen, Mr. Mayo chair. 357 00:19:32,869 --> 00:19:35,950 S11: I would love to. Mark Zuckerberg talking about online privacy. 358 00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:38,310 S11: But I'm here talking about what's happening on the streets. 359 00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:40,389 S10: Zuckerberg lying to the committee when he said that. 360 00:19:41,030 --> 00:19:43,310 S11: I'm not here to speak about that. Well, here's how 361 00:19:43,390 --> 00:19:45,670 S11: I wish I was, but I'm here to speak about Mr. 362 00:19:45,670 --> 00:19:46,670 S11: Most significant Threat. 363 00:19:46,790 --> 00:19:48,990 S10: Mr. price, let me ask. Here's how it works. Day 364 00:19:48,990 --> 00:19:52,310 S10: three of the Biden administration, they send a tweet from 365 00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:55,990 S10: the white House to Twitter. Take down this tweet ASAP. 366 00:19:56,030 --> 00:19:58,150 S10: It was a tweet from RFK Jr. And it was 367 00:19:58,150 --> 00:20:01,910 S10: about Covid. So that's how it started. Specific tweets. Then 368 00:20:01,910 --> 00:20:06,110 S10: it progressed to policy. We have all kinds of documents 369 00:20:06,109 --> 00:20:08,270 S10: we got in our investigation last Congress which show the 370 00:20:08,270 --> 00:20:14,389 S10: policy change. Your policy leadership to ask misinformation policy. A 371 00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:17,230 S10: couple of teams on product policy to brainstorm some additional 372 00:20:17,230 --> 00:20:20,470 S10: policy levers. So then it was broader. First it just 373 00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:22,270 S10: a specific tweet. So we we got to stop this 374 00:20:22,270 --> 00:20:26,869 S10: tweet from influential people. Then it's a broader policy. And 375 00:20:26,869 --> 00:20:32,150 S10: now we got foreign governments trying to impact American speech. 376 00:20:32,670 --> 00:20:37,070 S10: And it's so pervasive that you have individuals who put 377 00:20:37,070 --> 00:20:39,830 S10: a Bible verse up that they're coming out. That's the 378 00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:42,470 S10: progression this takes. Is that accurate, Mr. Price? 379 00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:43,149 S6: Yes, sir. 380 00:20:44,590 --> 00:20:48,190 S10: That's how that's how it goes. One tweet we don't 381 00:20:48,190 --> 00:20:50,950 S10: like RFK. Oh, by the way, everything RFK Jr said 382 00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:53,990 S10: in that tweet was true. Back to Mr. Kiley's point. 383 00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:57,629 S10: So many things they said to take down were true. 384 00:20:58,710 --> 00:21:00,670 S10: I bet Mr. Linehan would agree with that too. That's 385 00:21:00,670 --> 00:21:03,389 S10: how it goes. Sometimes the thing they want to censor 386 00:21:03,390 --> 00:21:06,470 S10: is the truth. That's how this works. 387 00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:11,150 S1: So every single Democrat on this committee and remember there's 388 00:21:11,150 --> 00:21:14,629 S1: representatives there from both parties. Asked Mr. Male of the 389 00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:20,389 S1: ACLU of Minnesota questions about Ice in Minnesota. The hearing 390 00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:23,710 S1: was taking a look at global censorship. It didn't have 391 00:21:23,710 --> 00:21:27,190 S1: anything to do. It's a great pivot. Okay, that'd be fine, 392 00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:30,150 S1: I guess if you're playing football. But don't forget that 393 00:21:30,190 --> 00:21:33,070 S1: Chairman Jim Jordan was a former wrestling coach. So I 394 00:21:33,070 --> 00:21:36,230 S1: would say both shoulders down pin. Craig, your response to 395 00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:36,830 S1: the ACLU? 396 00:21:36,869 --> 00:21:43,430 S7: Yeah. Not only was Congressman Jordan correct and accurate, but 397 00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:47,429 S7: the US Supreme Court, all nine justices in one way 398 00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:50,030 S7: or the other in a decision that went up to 399 00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:54,310 S7: them about this issue of the last administration pressuring. And 400 00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:57,070 S7: I think that was the word or pushing and words 401 00:21:57,070 --> 00:22:00,950 S7: of the Supreme Court, um, these big social media platforms 402 00:22:00,950 --> 00:22:04,950 S7: to start censoring first things about Covid that were politically 403 00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:10,950 S7: incorrect or inconvenient to the administration's position, or about elections, 404 00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:14,310 S7: or about election processes, or about the way in which 405 00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:18,139 S7: we vote and the rules connection with the election, those 406 00:22:18,140 --> 00:22:22,220 S7: things all ended up being censored, so that was absolutely accurate. 407 00:22:22,260 --> 00:22:25,700 S7: What's interesting, Janet, is when somebody is called to testify 408 00:22:25,700 --> 00:22:28,060 S7: as a witness before Congress, I've had that honor. Our 409 00:22:28,060 --> 00:22:31,420 S7: daughters had the same honor. And and so what you do, 410 00:22:31,460 --> 00:22:33,780 S7: and they ask you to do this to prepare a 411 00:22:34,020 --> 00:22:37,379 S7: written testimony that's very lengthy, usually 5 to 10 pages. 412 00:22:37,740 --> 00:22:40,180 S7: And then you're only given, of course, a short period 413 00:22:40,180 --> 00:22:42,900 S7: of time, three minutes to give your opening statement. And 414 00:22:42,900 --> 00:22:47,020 S7: then they ask you questions in the prepared statement by 415 00:22:47,300 --> 00:22:51,860 S7: Attorney Mail on behalf of the ACLU. I read the 416 00:22:51,859 --> 00:22:59,020 S7: entire thing many, many pages. The word international was not 417 00:22:59,140 --> 00:23:02,660 S7: in there. Any reference to the Digital Services Act was 418 00:23:02,660 --> 00:23:05,660 S7: not in there. Anything having to do with the topic 419 00:23:05,660 --> 00:23:08,980 S7: to which he was called to address free speech in Europe? 420 00:23:08,980 --> 00:23:13,980 S7: Free speech in America compared the two was never mentioned. 421 00:23:14,180 --> 00:23:17,300 S7: All that he mentioned was what was going on in 422 00:23:17,300 --> 00:23:23,060 S7: Minnesota in terms of the ice, um, uh, activities. With 423 00:23:23,060 --> 00:23:26,540 S7: regard to illegal aliens, that was it. Everything he had 424 00:23:26,540 --> 00:23:29,180 S7: to say in his prepared statement. Had to do with 425 00:23:29,180 --> 00:23:31,060 S7: that and not the subject at hand. 426 00:23:31,100 --> 00:23:33,740 S1: Well, it's really kind of, um, shady because you know 427 00:23:33,780 --> 00:23:35,540 S1: exactly what the name of the committee is. You know 428 00:23:35,580 --> 00:23:37,820 S1: exactly what the name of the hearing was. And you 429 00:23:37,820 --> 00:23:40,300 S1: weren't called there to testify about Ice. That'd be a 430 00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:42,500 S1: whole different committee. It'd be a whole nother issue. So 431 00:23:42,500 --> 00:23:44,580 S1: for him to try and weave and Bob and talk 432 00:23:44,619 --> 00:23:47,540 S1: about what's going on in Minnesota, it was was quintessential 433 00:23:47,540 --> 00:23:51,420 S1: political theater at its worst. Yeah. And the real threat 434 00:23:51,420 --> 00:23:53,139 S1: wasn't even being addressed, by the way, in terms of 435 00:23:53,140 --> 00:23:55,659 S1: the real threat, I want you to know that the, uh, 436 00:23:55,859 --> 00:23:59,340 S1: Judiciary Committee has put out 160 page report. I'm looking 437 00:23:59,340 --> 00:24:02,419 S1: at it right here in my desk. The Foreign Censorship Threat, 438 00:24:02,420 --> 00:24:04,500 S1: part two. Remember, this is the second hearing had one 439 00:24:04,500 --> 00:24:07,060 S1: in September. Then they had one in February. And it's 440 00:24:07,060 --> 00:24:10,980 S1: entitled Europe's decade long campaign to censor the Global Internet 441 00:24:10,980 --> 00:24:14,340 S1: and how it harms American speech in the United States. 442 00:24:14,580 --> 00:24:16,859 S1: So there's an old saying, and I think it applies here. 443 00:24:16,900 --> 00:24:19,939 S1: Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to 444 00:24:19,980 --> 00:24:22,340 S1: get you. So we have a reason to be cautious 445 00:24:22,500 --> 00:24:25,940 S1: about this mission creep of censorship in our country back 446 00:24:25,940 --> 00:24:43,260 S1: after this. If what you hear on in the market 447 00:24:43,260 --> 00:24:46,379 S1: with Janet partial encourages you, enlightens you and engages you 448 00:24:46,380 --> 00:24:48,380 S1: and equips you, I want to ask you to become 449 00:24:48,380 --> 00:24:51,300 S1: a partial partner today. This program depends on the faithful 450 00:24:51,300 --> 00:24:54,260 S1: and ongoing support of listeners just like you. By supporting 451 00:24:54,260 --> 00:24:57,540 S1: this program on a regular, ongoing monthly basis, you'll receive 452 00:24:57,540 --> 00:25:01,220 S1: several benefits that only my partners receive. So please call 453 00:25:01,220 --> 00:25:05,340 S1: today 877 Janet 58 or go online to In the 454 00:25:05,380 --> 00:25:06,740 S1: market with Janet Parshall. 455 00:25:15,980 --> 00:25:20,459 S14: Yes or no. Major social media platforms generally apply one 456 00:25:20,460 --> 00:25:25,100 S14: global set of content moderation rules worldwide. We're part of 457 00:25:25,100 --> 00:25:28,620 S14: globalism now. We're all the same. Yes or no? Yes, 458 00:25:29,380 --> 00:25:33,860 S14: because platforms rely on global rules. Global, not American rules. 459 00:25:33,859 --> 00:25:35,780 S14: Forgive me. I know some of us aren't American, but 460 00:25:35,780 --> 00:25:38,939 S14: I want to talk about America. Global rules. Changes to 461 00:25:38,980 --> 00:25:43,780 S14: those rules affect users or people that cherish freedom. In America. 462 00:25:43,820 --> 00:25:45,379 S14: It affects us. Yes or no? 463 00:25:45,420 --> 00:25:46,060 S6: Yes it does. 464 00:25:46,619 --> 00:25:49,939 S14: Under the Digital Services Act, platforms can be fined up 465 00:25:49,940 --> 00:25:54,940 S14: to 6% of their global revenue for non-compliance. Yes or no? 466 00:25:54,980 --> 00:25:56,300 S6: Global turnover? Yes, sir. 467 00:25:57,460 --> 00:26:01,180 S14: That how that boy, that's a real effective way to 468 00:26:01,220 --> 00:26:04,580 S14: stop freedom and freedom of speech. That's what we're supposed 469 00:26:04,580 --> 00:26:07,700 S14: to be talking about today. Not all this other stuff. 470 00:26:07,700 --> 00:26:09,540 S14: We can have a hearing. We are going to have 471 00:26:09,540 --> 00:26:12,740 S14: Kristi Christine on. We are going to have the attorney general. 472 00:26:12,740 --> 00:26:15,060 S14: We are going to have other hearings. We may have 473 00:26:15,060 --> 00:26:17,060 S14: a hearing on Minnesota, I don't know, and we'll talk 474 00:26:17,060 --> 00:26:20,140 S14: about those issues then. But let's talk about this big 475 00:26:20,140 --> 00:26:24,260 S14: bad issue that threatens the very foundation of America and 476 00:26:24,260 --> 00:26:27,860 S14: American freedom. Yes or no? Are the threats of fines 477 00:26:27,859 --> 00:26:33,740 S14: that that large designed to pressure platforms to over censor 478 00:26:33,740 --> 00:26:36,940 S14: speech to avoid getting punished in that way? 479 00:26:37,380 --> 00:26:38,740 S6: Yes, sir. They have that effect. 480 00:26:38,980 --> 00:26:41,740 S14: Yes or no? When Americans are censored because of foreign 481 00:26:41,740 --> 00:26:46,379 S14: government pressure, they have no ability to talk about taxation 482 00:26:46,380 --> 00:26:49,699 S14: without representation. This is worse. You lose your freedom of 483 00:26:49,700 --> 00:26:52,139 S14: speech and you have no ability to get those people 484 00:26:52,140 --> 00:26:55,220 S14: out of office. They're in another country. They're not liable 485 00:26:55,220 --> 00:26:58,020 S14: to you at all, but you have to acquiesce to them. 486 00:26:58,020 --> 00:26:58,780 S14: Yes or no? 487 00:26:58,820 --> 00:27:00,460 S6: Yes. We can't get them out of office either. 488 00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:03,859 S14: I know it's scary if Americans are losing their speech 489 00:27:03,900 --> 00:27:07,379 S14: rights because of laws written overseas, then this is not 490 00:27:07,380 --> 00:27:10,780 S14: just a tech issue. This is not some boring issue 491 00:27:10,820 --> 00:27:13,260 S14: that people want to put in a closet somewhere where 492 00:27:13,260 --> 00:27:16,100 S14: people yawn and forget about it. It's freedom of religion, 493 00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:19,020 S14: freedom of speech, freedom of the way to raise your 494 00:27:19,020 --> 00:27:21,580 S14: family the way you want to. All the freedoms that 495 00:27:21,580 --> 00:27:23,740 S14: we cherish in America. Yes or no? 496 00:27:23,780 --> 00:27:24,260 S6: Yes, sir. 497 00:27:24,700 --> 00:27:29,140 S14: Is it a direct attack on American sovereignty? And shouldn't 498 00:27:29,140 --> 00:27:31,220 S14: we do everything we can to stop it? 499 00:27:31,859 --> 00:27:32,540 S6: Absolutely. 500 00:27:32,859 --> 00:27:35,940 S14: That's the bottom line here, ladies and gentlemen. This is 501 00:27:35,940 --> 00:27:38,619 S14: a big deal. I'm sorry for what you went through. 502 00:27:38,820 --> 00:27:42,220 S14: God knows I mean to. It doesn't matter if they 503 00:27:42,220 --> 00:27:45,619 S14: agree with your faith. It's your faith. And it's your 504 00:27:45,619 --> 00:27:48,940 S14: right to represent that faith. And you shouldn't go to jail. 505 00:27:48,940 --> 00:27:52,100 S14: And you shouldn't be fined, and you shouldn't be embarrassed 506 00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:53,740 S14: and you shouldn't be censored. 507 00:27:55,180 --> 00:27:58,580 S1: So that is Representative Van Drew from new Jersey, and 508 00:27:58,580 --> 00:28:01,940 S1: he was directing that line of questioning to Lorcan Price again, 509 00:28:01,980 --> 00:28:04,340 S1: ADF international. Craig, your thoughts? 510 00:28:04,580 --> 00:28:10,420 S7: Um, the danger of this, really, and I'm very slow 511 00:28:10,619 --> 00:28:15,100 S7: to ring bells and send up distress signals. But the 512 00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:21,140 S7: danger to this, to American free speech is cannot be overstated. Um, 513 00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:25,580 S7: these tech companies are they're all Silicon Valley, the big ones. 514 00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:31,580 S7: And yet, even though they're American companies starting out in 515 00:28:31,580 --> 00:28:37,260 S7: America with investment capital from Americans for the purpose of giving, uh, 516 00:28:37,420 --> 00:28:42,180 S7: you know, expressive, uh, communication to Americans have become global 517 00:28:42,380 --> 00:28:44,660 S7: as a result of that. Now, what happens in the 518 00:28:44,660 --> 00:28:50,660 S7: Digital Services Act in Europe under European ideas of free speech? Basically, 519 00:28:50,660 --> 00:28:53,860 S7: they believe free speech really isn't free, that it has 520 00:28:53,860 --> 00:28:56,900 S7: to be regulated, has to be minimized, and you can 521 00:28:56,900 --> 00:28:59,260 S7: be punished criminally if you don't say the right things 522 00:28:59,260 --> 00:29:02,700 S7: the right way. Um, under the right conditions. That's their 523 00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:06,740 S7: view of speech. Over here we have the robust free speech. 524 00:29:06,740 --> 00:29:10,700 S7: And let me tell you, Janet, while constitutional lawyers, those 525 00:29:10,700 --> 00:29:12,820 S7: of us who do this stuff, we can we can 526 00:29:12,820 --> 00:29:15,420 S7: argue with each other and have disagreements about the finer 527 00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:19,340 S7: details of Supreme Court decisions about free speech in certain cases. 528 00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:24,140 S7: But on the on the overall issue of American free 529 00:29:24,180 --> 00:29:30,820 S7: speech and the European, the very bad European view of expression, 530 00:29:31,220 --> 00:29:34,180 S7: there's no absolutely no comparison. As a matter of fact, uh, 531 00:29:34,180 --> 00:29:37,300 S7: a legal scholar by the name of Lloyd, uh, Abrams, 532 00:29:37,500 --> 00:29:40,219 S7: he and I would agree on, uh, many cases, but 533 00:29:40,220 --> 00:29:43,740 S7: we'd also disagree on a lot of other free speech cases. 534 00:29:43,740 --> 00:29:47,900 S7: He gave a speech back in 2017 to an international organization, 535 00:29:48,180 --> 00:29:52,740 S7: and he said, Mark my words, the exceptionalism of America 536 00:29:52,740 --> 00:29:56,060 S7: is the exceptionalism of the First Amendment. And you Europeans 537 00:29:56,060 --> 00:29:59,180 S7: have it wrong. He talked about a guy being convicted 538 00:29:59,180 --> 00:30:02,180 S7: in Belgium for holding a sign up saying, please don't 539 00:30:02,220 --> 00:30:07,459 S7: turn Belgium into an Islamic state. Ended up getting criminally convicted. 540 00:30:07,700 --> 00:30:11,380 S7: Mentioned cases in England. Mentioned cases like that in Canada. 541 00:30:11,620 --> 00:30:15,100 S7: So the threat is there and not just knocking on 542 00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:18,540 S7: our door. They're going to control the tech companies that 543 00:30:18,540 --> 00:30:20,380 S7: many of us use for communications. 544 00:30:20,420 --> 00:30:23,700 S1: Representative not hails from North Carolina, and his line of 545 00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:26,860 S1: questioning was directed to Doctor Rossman. Have a listen. 546 00:30:27,660 --> 00:30:29,660 S15: Doctor, I want to start with you by thanking you 547 00:30:29,660 --> 00:30:33,459 S15: for taking a stand. And you in many ways represent, um, 548 00:30:33,460 --> 00:30:36,780 S15: concern that Christians all over the world fear that is 549 00:30:36,780 --> 00:30:42,420 S15: growing hostility towards our faith from leftist governments. And I 550 00:30:42,420 --> 00:30:44,979 S15: want to talk to you specifically about what you were 551 00:30:44,980 --> 00:30:49,020 S15: prosecuted for. You did not post a Bible verse in 552 00:30:49,020 --> 00:30:50,700 S15: an official capacity, correct? 553 00:30:51,620 --> 00:30:54,500 S9: Yes, I posted it in. 554 00:30:54,820 --> 00:30:57,340 S15: It was not part of a state action. It was 555 00:30:57,460 --> 00:30:58,980 S15: it was a personal action, correct? 556 00:30:59,020 --> 00:30:59,580 S9: Yes, yes. 557 00:30:59,580 --> 00:31:03,580 S15: My personal And then you issued a pamphlet in your 558 00:31:03,580 --> 00:31:04,740 S15: personal capacity? 559 00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:06,660 S9: Yes. Yes, it is here. 560 00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:11,220 S15: Yes. You did not incite. You did not advocate for violence. 561 00:31:11,220 --> 00:31:13,380 S15: You did not advocate for the silencing. 562 00:31:13,420 --> 00:31:17,140 S9: No. Absolutely not. And I said, for example, in this 563 00:31:17,140 --> 00:31:20,620 S9: pamphlet that I believe that all people are equal and 564 00:31:20,620 --> 00:31:22,500 S9: we have to respect all people. 565 00:31:23,220 --> 00:31:27,420 S15: And in regards to your litigation, your case, you won 566 00:31:27,420 --> 00:31:29,500 S15: your case at the trial level, correct? 567 00:31:29,540 --> 00:31:30,020 S9: Yes. 568 00:31:30,340 --> 00:31:31,300 S15: How many times? 569 00:31:31,540 --> 00:31:32,340 S9: Two times. 570 00:31:32,340 --> 00:31:32,940 S15: Two times. 571 00:31:32,980 --> 00:31:33,460 S9: Yes. 572 00:31:33,620 --> 00:31:36,700 S15: And then the prosecutor appealed. 573 00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:40,260 S9: Yes. It is possible in Finland, even though that you 574 00:31:40,300 --> 00:31:44,260 S9: are acquitted, that the prosecutor can appeal to the Supreme Court. 575 00:31:44,380 --> 00:31:45,900 S9: And so the highest level. 576 00:31:46,060 --> 00:31:48,660 S15: What remedy is this prosecutor looking for? Do they want 577 00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:50,220 S15: to put you in jail? Do they want to find you? 578 00:31:50,380 --> 00:31:54,980 S9: They they want to have they want to find me. 579 00:31:55,140 --> 00:31:58,540 S9: But what is the most dangerous? They want to ban, 580 00:31:58,540 --> 00:32:02,540 S9: for example, this booklet and my Twitter post. 581 00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:05,940 S15: Well, ultimately they want to ban your belief in Scripture. 582 00:32:05,980 --> 00:32:09,100 S15: They want to ban your ability to cite the Bible, 583 00:32:09,140 --> 00:32:11,260 S15: to believe in the Bible. Yes. And to make it 584 00:32:11,260 --> 00:32:14,620 S15: socially unacceptable to do so. Correct? 585 00:32:14,660 --> 00:32:15,180 S9: Yes. 586 00:32:15,220 --> 00:32:16,860 S15: And I want to make this very clear. As a 587 00:32:16,860 --> 00:32:20,660 S15: former prosecutor myself, I find it grossly offensive that the 588 00:32:20,660 --> 00:32:24,980 S15: resources of the state are going after wonderful people like you. 589 00:32:25,020 --> 00:32:27,980 S15: While crime of every sort has increased over the last 590 00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:31,820 S15: number of years in your home country. Property crimes, sex crimes, 591 00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:35,580 S15: violent crime, they're increasing and they're going after you. 592 00:32:36,340 --> 00:32:39,459 S9: Yes. And almost seven years now. 593 00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:42,580 S15: That's disgusting. And again, thank you for your faith. Thank 594 00:32:42,580 --> 00:32:44,780 S15: you for your bravery. And know that we are behind 595 00:32:44,780 --> 00:32:46,220 S15: you in full support. 596 00:32:47,220 --> 00:32:50,300 S1: So the Billy Graham Association actually put out a notification 597 00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:52,860 S1: that this hearing was taking place because, again, this is 598 00:32:52,860 --> 00:32:55,420 S1: Capitol Hill. This is the halls of government. And what 599 00:32:55,420 --> 00:32:59,540 S1: are they talking about censoring a biblical centric worldview. And 600 00:32:59,540 --> 00:33:04,180 S1: as she said, they have been going after her since 2019. 601 00:33:04,460 --> 00:33:06,820 S1: And God bless this woman who is a doctor. She's 602 00:33:06,820 --> 00:33:08,620 S1: a member of the Finnish parliament, but she also happens 603 00:33:08,620 --> 00:33:10,780 S1: to be a pastor's wife. And the booklet that she's 604 00:33:10,780 --> 00:33:12,700 S1: referring to is a booklet that talks about what the 605 00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:16,540 S1: Bible says about homosexuality and the traditional family and again, 606 00:33:16,580 --> 00:33:19,180 S1: what biblical truth is all about. And they just will 607 00:33:19,180 --> 00:33:22,900 S1: not leave her alone. I quite think that Finland wants 608 00:33:22,900 --> 00:33:24,979 S1: to make an example of her, and they want to 609 00:33:25,020 --> 00:33:27,900 S1: create a chilling effect for any other Christian out there. 610 00:33:27,940 --> 00:33:30,780 S1: Remember the official church we have separation of church and 611 00:33:30,780 --> 00:33:33,180 S1: state here we have no official church in America, but 612 00:33:33,180 --> 00:33:36,660 S1: in Finland, the official church there is the Lutheran church, 613 00:33:36,660 --> 00:33:39,780 S1: and they were supporting a gay pride parade. And that 614 00:33:39,780 --> 00:33:41,940 S1: was the catalyst for all of this. So, Craig, it 615 00:33:41,940 --> 00:33:44,780 S1: isn't an alarm warning here. This is Nehemiah. This is 616 00:33:44,780 --> 00:33:47,220 S1: being a watchman on the wall and understanding that because 617 00:33:47,220 --> 00:33:50,900 S1: we are an intersected global community, that we've got TikTok 618 00:33:50,900 --> 00:33:53,979 S1: and we've got Twitter and we've got X and all 619 00:33:53,980 --> 00:33:56,780 S1: of these other platforms redundant between Twitter and X, but 620 00:33:56,820 --> 00:34:00,180 S1: what's happening is because they have an international impact, these 621 00:34:00,220 --> 00:34:04,900 S1: arrogant governmental entities like the EU or the UK in 622 00:34:04,940 --> 00:34:07,700 S1: their little digital police force, think that they have a 623 00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:11,780 S1: right to superimpose censorship on somebody in America who's posted 624 00:34:11,780 --> 00:34:15,100 S1: something that disagrees, that apparently doesn't come into alignment with 625 00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:17,739 S1: the UK or the EU. So you don't have to 626 00:34:17,780 --> 00:34:19,779 S1: be living in the EU, you don't have to be 627 00:34:19,780 --> 00:34:22,060 S1: living in the UK, and they can still try to 628 00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:23,219 S1: go after you and censor you. 629 00:34:23,260 --> 00:34:25,339 S7: Yeah, which is interesting because I don't think any of 630 00:34:25,340 --> 00:34:29,540 S7: our lawmakers, um, in the 90s, when they were taking 631 00:34:29,540 --> 00:34:33,220 S7: a look at how or whether they should even regulate 632 00:34:33,219 --> 00:34:38,500 S7: this burgeoning new, um, web on the internet, and then 633 00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:41,740 S7: the companies that would later be created, social media companies 634 00:34:41,739 --> 00:34:45,780 S7: and Google and so forth. Um, they wanted to keep 635 00:34:45,780 --> 00:34:48,100 S7: hands off, but there was no way in which Congress 636 00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:51,220 S7: back then, in the 90s, could have envisioned the fact 637 00:34:51,219 --> 00:34:54,100 S7: that these were going to go global. The internet was 638 00:34:54,100 --> 00:34:57,340 S7: going to be a global phenomenon. And then part of 639 00:34:57,380 --> 00:35:01,819 S7: that globe across the ocean, European nations that are part 640 00:35:01,820 --> 00:35:04,420 S7: of the EU, that have a completely different and a 641 00:35:04,420 --> 00:35:08,219 S7: very downgraded view of the importance of free speech. And 642 00:35:08,219 --> 00:35:11,219 S7: let me address this for a minute, because, uh, you know, 643 00:35:11,260 --> 00:35:17,060 S7: when a former member of Finnish parliament is posting not 644 00:35:17,060 --> 00:35:22,420 S7: about government policy, she was debating what her church's position 645 00:35:22,420 --> 00:35:25,620 S7: was that she thought was unbiblical, and she was addressing 646 00:35:25,620 --> 00:35:29,379 S7: her church in an ecclesiastical way, but using the technology 647 00:35:29,380 --> 00:35:30,020 S7: of today. 648 00:35:30,020 --> 00:35:32,219 S1: Not as an enemy, underscore this because you're making such 649 00:35:32,219 --> 00:35:35,540 S1: an excellent point, not as a member of Parliament. Right? Individual, 650 00:35:35,540 --> 00:35:37,500 S1: individual speech, not a, quote, state action. 651 00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:40,580 S7: So if if Christians out there are thinking, well, how 652 00:35:40,580 --> 00:35:44,180 S7: does that really I mean, it's okay, I get free speech, 653 00:35:44,180 --> 00:35:46,899 S7: but how does this come down to my front doorstep? 654 00:35:47,260 --> 00:35:51,140 S7: I'd say look at Romans 1014. Paul says, how can 655 00:35:51,180 --> 00:35:53,580 S7: they call on him in whom they have not believed? 656 00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:56,379 S7: How shall they believe in him and whom they've not heard? 657 00:35:56,380 --> 00:36:01,299 S7: How shall they hear without a preacher? You can preach, 658 00:36:01,300 --> 00:36:05,340 S7: you can teach, and you can share globally, on the internet, 659 00:36:05,340 --> 00:36:09,819 S7: on these platforms, unless Europe gets its way. And then 660 00:36:09,820 --> 00:36:10,460 S7: you won't. 661 00:36:11,219 --> 00:36:13,899 S1: That's why this hearing is important, and probably because what 662 00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:17,259 S1: was primarily in the crosshair was your biblio centric worldview 663 00:36:17,620 --> 00:36:19,620 S1: might be the reason it didn't get a lot of 664 00:36:19,620 --> 00:36:22,700 S1: press coverage out there, but somebody paying attention on Capitol 665 00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:24,980 S1: Hill and they're cognizant of the threats. We've got more 666 00:36:24,980 --> 00:36:27,660 S1: audio for you and what the proposed remedy might be 667 00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:30,180 S1: going forward. This is in the market with Janet Parshall. 668 00:36:30,219 --> 00:36:31,100 S1: More after this. 669 00:36:43,219 --> 00:36:46,299 S16: Mr.. Lanahan, I want you to just walk us through 670 00:36:46,340 --> 00:36:49,219 S16: what happened to you because you were in the United States. 671 00:36:49,219 --> 00:36:51,859 S16: You put up a tweet. You're a comedian. You use 672 00:36:51,860 --> 00:36:53,940 S16: some off color. Language may be different than the way 673 00:36:53,940 --> 00:36:57,219 S16: I would say things sometimes, but that's what you do. 674 00:36:57,260 --> 00:37:00,339 S16: And you made a comment about the propriety of biological 675 00:37:00,340 --> 00:37:03,140 S16: males being in female only spaces. Can you tell me 676 00:37:03,140 --> 00:37:06,540 S16: exactly what happened when you landed at Heathrow Airport in 677 00:37:06,540 --> 00:37:07,180 S16: some detail? 678 00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:11,660 S17: Well, as I said, because I because I'd been arrested 679 00:37:11,660 --> 00:37:15,140 S17: before and because I have, uh, because I'm sort of 680 00:37:15,180 --> 00:37:17,340 S17: the victim of, of kind of village gossip on a 681 00:37:17,340 --> 00:37:22,860 S17: global scale. Uh, I when the plane actually taxied to 682 00:37:22,980 --> 00:37:26,060 S17: a stop and we were kept there for longer than 683 00:37:26,260 --> 00:37:29,900 S17: as usual, I sort of immediately knew that I might 684 00:37:29,900 --> 00:37:33,100 S17: be about to be arrested. Um, so. But when I 685 00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:35,859 S17: got to the door, I couldn't believe it. There were 686 00:37:35,860 --> 00:37:40,779 S17: five police, all of them armed, which is standard in Heathrow. Um, 687 00:37:41,020 --> 00:37:43,500 S17: but it was a shock, you know, I didn't think 688 00:37:43,540 --> 00:37:47,890 S17: they I didn't I didn't see how five police were necessary, 689 00:37:47,890 --> 00:37:50,250 S17: especially as I was coming into the country to testify 690 00:37:50,290 --> 00:37:54,370 S17: in another trial. And they would have known that. So, um, uh, 691 00:37:54,450 --> 00:37:57,250 S17: so yeah, I have to say, even though it was 692 00:37:57,250 --> 00:38:01,770 S17: shocking and unpleasant, um, and I ended up having such 693 00:38:01,770 --> 00:38:03,489 S17: high blood pressure that I had to be transferred to 694 00:38:03,530 --> 00:38:08,810 S17: a hospital. Um, in many ways, I'm very glad it 695 00:38:08,810 --> 00:38:11,089 S17: happened to me, because my voice has been silenced so 696 00:38:11,090 --> 00:38:15,610 S17: long in the UK. I'm very much a niche voice, uh, 697 00:38:15,610 --> 00:38:19,969 S17: because of the, uh, kind of control gender ideology has 698 00:38:19,969 --> 00:38:22,410 S17: over the whole country, over institutions. 699 00:38:22,489 --> 00:38:24,810 S16: It's also probably the chilling effect, right? You put up 700 00:38:24,810 --> 00:38:27,450 S16: a tweet, you say something that you believe, and you're 701 00:38:27,450 --> 00:38:30,170 S16: met by five armed guards who put you in jail. 702 00:38:30,170 --> 00:38:33,250 S16: What effect does that have on other people speaking their minds. 703 00:38:33,290 --> 00:38:36,730 S17: As you know, as you say, chilling effect. Who knows? 704 00:38:36,730 --> 00:38:39,609 S17: Who knows what effect it has? Uh, you know, the 705 00:38:39,650 --> 00:38:43,210 S17: censorship that's at play when it comes to, uh, issues 706 00:38:43,210 --> 00:38:47,090 S17: around women's rights is a kind of quiet censorship. People 707 00:38:47,090 --> 00:38:50,850 S17: are counseled quietly. They just stop being invited to things. 708 00:38:51,050 --> 00:38:55,170 S17: They stop getting contracts and so on. So, um. Uh, 709 00:38:55,330 --> 00:38:57,370 S17: so yeah, that's one of the things I wanted to 710 00:38:57,370 --> 00:39:00,250 S17: get across to people, that there's more than one form 711 00:39:00,250 --> 00:39:03,009 S17: of censorship. It's not just the government being heavy handed. 712 00:39:03,210 --> 00:39:09,609 S17: It's a sort of, uh, orthodoxy that has been imposed across, uh, 713 00:39:09,610 --> 00:39:15,690 S17: British society, especially in certain industries that, um, attract very privileged, 714 00:39:15,690 --> 00:39:21,610 S17: middle class people. So we have publishing, theater, uh, the media, um, uh, 715 00:39:21,969 --> 00:39:25,569 S17: and the NHS now, which is very frightening. Um, all 716 00:39:25,570 --> 00:39:29,690 S17: these institutions have been captured by gender ideology and, uh, 717 00:39:30,010 --> 00:39:32,810 S17: no one is objecting to it. Just the fact that 718 00:39:32,810 --> 00:39:35,210 S17: no one is objecting to it does not mean that 719 00:39:35,210 --> 00:39:36,570 S17: people don't object to it. 720 00:39:37,690 --> 00:39:41,130 S1: How true that is. Again, that's Graham Linehan. He's a journalist, 721 00:39:41,130 --> 00:39:44,250 S1: an award winning comedy writer and director. Stopped at Heathrow 722 00:39:44,250 --> 00:39:46,489 S1: five armed guards because he's been speaking out on the 723 00:39:46,489 --> 00:39:49,250 S1: issue of transgenderism. One more clip I want you to hear. 724 00:39:49,250 --> 00:39:52,090 S1: This is representative Chip Roy of Texas talking to Doctor 725 00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:53,370 S1: Rosin and have a listen. 726 00:39:53,370 --> 00:39:56,930 S18: First of all, thank you. Thank you for standing up. 727 00:39:57,690 --> 00:40:01,050 S18: Thank you for standing up in the face of the tyrannical, um, 728 00:40:01,650 --> 00:40:04,730 S18: interference with your ability to carry out your faith and 729 00:40:04,730 --> 00:40:07,250 S18: speak freely about it. As you know, a number of 730 00:40:07,250 --> 00:40:09,850 S18: us have been watching this very closely, and we are 731 00:40:09,850 --> 00:40:12,049 S18: proud of what you have been doing to send a 732 00:40:12,050 --> 00:40:13,930 S18: message around the globe. Let me ask you just a 733 00:40:13,930 --> 00:40:17,410 S18: couple of quick questions. Is it is it correct that 734 00:40:17,410 --> 00:40:21,610 S18: the alleged crimes against you that were charged against you 735 00:40:21,650 --> 00:40:25,170 S18: consisted solely of, as you described before, a Bible verse 736 00:40:25,210 --> 00:40:28,730 S18: posted on social media, comments during a radio debate, and 737 00:40:28,730 --> 00:40:31,210 S18: a religious pamphlet published years earlier. 738 00:40:31,650 --> 00:40:35,129 S9: No, I don't think that it is right because I 739 00:40:35,130 --> 00:40:39,730 S9: have not insulted anyone. My my speech has been peaceful. 740 00:40:39,770 --> 00:40:42,570 S18: And at no point did you call for violence, coercion 741 00:40:42,570 --> 00:40:43,930 S18: or unlawful conduct. 742 00:40:43,969 --> 00:40:47,050 S9: No, no. I have told all the time that all 743 00:40:47,050 --> 00:40:50,410 S9: people are equal, and we all are sinners, and we 744 00:40:50,410 --> 00:40:53,969 S9: all are in need of grace. So I do not 745 00:40:54,010 --> 00:40:54,770 S9: insult anyone. 746 00:40:54,810 --> 00:40:58,730 S18: Is it true that prosecutors reportedly compared portions of the 747 00:40:58,730 --> 00:41:02,570 S18: Bible to extremist literature when they were going after you? 748 00:41:03,090 --> 00:41:08,610 S9: Uh, yes. Uh, the prosecutor, uh, filed up charges because 749 00:41:08,610 --> 00:41:13,969 S9: of my Twitter update where the main focus was on 750 00:41:14,010 --> 00:41:15,170 S9: the Bible verses. 751 00:41:15,770 --> 00:41:18,969 S18: And it was it is the prosecution reportedly offered you 752 00:41:18,969 --> 00:41:23,810 S18: a deal to recant your statements in exchange for avoiding prosecution. 753 00:41:23,850 --> 00:41:24,810 S18: Is that accurate? 754 00:41:25,210 --> 00:41:29,689 S9: Uh, already in the police investigation, the police gave me 755 00:41:29,690 --> 00:41:34,770 S9: two weeks time to take away my my writings, and and, uh, 756 00:41:34,770 --> 00:41:39,890 S9: I said that I will stand up and before these teachings. 757 00:41:41,610 --> 00:41:43,089 S1: Now you know why we're playing this for you and 758 00:41:43,090 --> 00:41:45,130 S1: why it's important. I'm not talking to voice of the martyrs. 759 00:41:45,130 --> 00:41:47,370 S1: I'm not talking to open doors. This is a hearing 760 00:41:47,370 --> 00:41:51,209 S1: on Capitol Hill about the encroachment of censorship on our shores, 761 00:41:51,250 --> 00:41:54,089 S1: not future. It's here right now. Craig, we've looked at 762 00:41:54,090 --> 00:41:56,450 S1: the problem, and there's more audio I could play because 763 00:41:56,450 --> 00:41:58,850 S1: these hearings go on for hours. What's the remedy? 764 00:41:59,050 --> 00:42:02,170 S7: Well, there's going to be some suggestions for a remedy 765 00:42:02,170 --> 00:42:06,450 S7: that go in completely the wrong direction. Um, and there 766 00:42:06,450 --> 00:42:08,810 S7: are a lot of different political positions, but the most 767 00:42:08,810 --> 00:42:12,930 S7: extreme one, uh, Hillary Clinton just mentioned recently saying we 768 00:42:12,930 --> 00:42:16,570 S7: need our own version of the Digital Services Act over here, 769 00:42:16,850 --> 00:42:19,529 S7: just like the Europeans are. So in other words, let's 770 00:42:19,530 --> 00:42:23,410 S7: diminish the idea of free speech as we've had it blessed, uh, 771 00:42:23,410 --> 00:42:29,250 S7: for over 200 years. But there are some concrete ways 772 00:42:29,250 --> 00:42:34,090 S7: in which both the free speech rights of Silicon Valley 773 00:42:34,130 --> 00:42:38,530 S7: tech companies can be respected, but also the opinions of us, 774 00:42:38,570 --> 00:42:42,169 S7: the citizens who use their platforms. Their services can have 775 00:42:42,170 --> 00:42:44,609 S7: our free speech rights protected. I've had the honor of 776 00:42:44,610 --> 00:42:47,850 S7: suggesting some to members of Congress. A lot of policymakers 777 00:42:47,850 --> 00:42:50,850 S7: have other ideas, so there's a way to balance that. 778 00:42:51,410 --> 00:42:54,610 S7: But in terms of the European threat, one of the 779 00:42:54,610 --> 00:42:58,250 S7: ideas and by the way, our Secretary of State, Rubio, 780 00:42:58,650 --> 00:43:06,049 S7: has since last August been quietly pressuring the European Union 781 00:43:06,050 --> 00:43:09,890 S7: to take the DSA and radically amend it. So it's 782 00:43:09,890 --> 00:43:13,970 S7: not it's it is pro free speech rather than anti-free speech. 783 00:43:13,969 --> 00:43:17,250 S7: Then the problem is solved, and we can apply pressure 784 00:43:17,250 --> 00:43:20,810 S7: in a number of different ways on our European friends, uh, 785 00:43:20,930 --> 00:43:23,730 S7: to be able to do that. But they decided to 786 00:43:23,770 --> 00:43:27,330 S7: basically regulate us. We're now going to regulate them. 787 00:43:27,330 --> 00:43:28,410 S1: Do you think that will happen? 788 00:43:28,450 --> 00:43:31,450 S7: I think there's a good chance, but it all depends 789 00:43:31,650 --> 00:43:35,890 S7: on what Congress does. What we do in elections, who 790 00:43:35,890 --> 00:43:40,330 S7: we elect to Congress. Because after all, Congress makes the laws. 791 00:43:40,610 --> 00:43:44,130 S7: The president simply enforces them. And the and the court, 792 00:43:44,170 --> 00:43:47,210 S7: Supreme court and other courts simply interpret Congress is the 793 00:43:47,210 --> 00:43:49,170 S7: lawmakers and they need to hear from us. 794 00:43:49,210 --> 00:43:51,969 S1: You know, this is not a Republican or Democratic issue. 795 00:43:52,010 --> 00:43:54,529 S1: It is not a right and left issue. It's a 796 00:43:54,570 --> 00:43:58,690 S1: right and wrong issue. Free speech means everybody. So the 797 00:43:58,690 --> 00:44:01,730 S1: difference here is, again, this is one of our treasured 798 00:44:01,730 --> 00:44:05,130 S1: liberties in this country. And I think that American spirit, 799 00:44:05,130 --> 00:44:08,210 S1: that spirit coming through on our 250th anniversary is going 800 00:44:08,250 --> 00:44:10,210 S1: to come through loud and clear. We're going to fight 801 00:44:10,210 --> 00:44:12,290 S1: hard for this. Regardless of where you fall on a 802 00:44:12,290 --> 00:44:15,050 S1: political spectrum, every one of us should have the right 803 00:44:15,050 --> 00:44:18,650 S1: to say what we believe in a public square without 804 00:44:18,650 --> 00:44:21,930 S1: fear of pushback or censorship, or even threat of imprisonment 805 00:44:21,930 --> 00:44:25,410 S1: and fines. Absolutely ludicrous. This is a wake up call. Again, 806 00:44:25,410 --> 00:44:28,529 S1: God hasn't given us a spirit of fear, but power, love, 807 00:44:28,570 --> 00:44:31,010 S1: and of a sound mind. We'll use all of that. Thanks, friends. 808 00:44:31,010 --> 00:44:32,569 S1: We'll see you next time on In the Market with 809 00:44:32,570 --> 00:44:33,450 S1: Janet Parshall.