WEBVTT - Hour 1: Live from Minnesota 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:12.559 Hello, friends. Welcome to Open Line with Doctor Michael Clinic. 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:15.800 My name is Michael Ray clinic. I'm the academic dean 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:18.480 and professor of Jewish studies and Bible at Moody Bible 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:22.120 Institute in Chicago. Thanks for joining me at the radio 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:26.599 kitchen table for our Bible study across America. Normally you'd 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:29.280 call to talk with me about the scriptures, but today's 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:34.120 program is different. It's recorded, so please don't call. You 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:38.080 can learn more about Open Line or even hear past programs. 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:41.120 You can connect to our social media pages and fill 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:44.280 out your Bible question for me to answer at our 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:50.200 next program by going to our website Openline radio. 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And what does it mean 0:02:59.620 --> 0:03:03.100 that Jesus is God's begotten son? He's not created. 0:03:03.260 --> 0:03:06.580 Mhm. Yeah. He's definitely not created. He's the eternal Son 0:03:06.580 --> 0:03:10.619 of God. I believe the concept of begotten ness comes, uh, 0:03:10.620 --> 0:03:15.340 in Scripture from Psalm two, in Psalm two, a messianic 0:03:15.380 --> 0:03:19.900 psalm which predicts the coming of the Messiah. It says, uh, 0:03:19.940 --> 0:03:22.540 that the Lord said to me, uh, you are my 0:03:22.580 --> 0:03:27.980 son this day I have begotten you. And it sounds like, oh, 0:03:28.020 --> 0:03:30.980 I've given birth to you, or you began. However, it's 0:03:30.980 --> 0:03:36.940 a royal psalm. It's about an enthronement of a king. And, uh, 0:03:36.940 --> 0:03:40.100 if you look at the ancient Near East in Egypt, 0:03:40.100 --> 0:03:46.700 in various places, when Pharaoh became king, when they were enthroned. 0:03:46.700 --> 0:03:50.860 And this is important as we're listening, uh, today is 0:03:50.860 --> 0:03:57.089 the day that Charles King Charles is being, uh, Crown. Right. Coronet. 0:03:57.090 --> 0:04:00.810 It's his coronation day. Well, in the ancient Near East, 0:04:01.490 --> 0:04:05.450 it was declared that a person, when he, uh. When 0:04:05.450 --> 0:04:09.690 he had his coronation, he was declared the Son of God. 0:04:09.730 --> 0:04:13.010 But the word that was used was I've begotten you. 0:04:13.490 --> 0:04:17.410 He was declared the Son of God and begotten of God. 0:04:17.570 --> 0:04:21.890 It doesn't really mean I gave birth to you because 0:04:21.890 --> 0:04:26.130 he was obviously born, but rather declared the Son of God. 0:04:26.170 --> 0:04:34.409 It's an enthronement term. It indicates coronation. Uh, and particularly deity. So, uh, 0:04:34.410 --> 0:04:38.690 in that culture to say, uh, you're the begotten of God, 0:04:38.690 --> 0:04:41.090 it means you are the eternal God. You have just 0:04:41.089 --> 0:04:43.850 taken your throne. And of course, when you think about 0:04:43.850 --> 0:04:46.210 the throne of Jesus, he. When is he going to 0:04:46.210 --> 0:04:48.770 take his throne? He's taking his throne right now. He's 0:04:49.089 --> 0:04:51.289 seated at the right hand of the father. He will 0:04:51.290 --> 0:04:54.290 take his throne on the throne of David in the future. So. 0:04:54.330 --> 0:04:56.510 And in the past. He's forever the Son of God. 0:04:56.550 --> 0:04:59.109 This is an eternal situation. He's been on the throne 0:04:59.150 --> 0:05:02.990 of God forever. So therefore, this is sort of an 0:05:03.029 --> 0:05:08.630 eternal statement. He's he is eternally enthroned as God, God 0:05:08.630 --> 0:05:11.070 the Son. And so that is the concept it has 0:05:11.070 --> 0:05:15.590 actually has to do with coronation as king and enthronement 0:05:15.589 --> 0:05:20.230 as the Son of God, rather than giving birth to him. Okay. 0:05:20.550 --> 0:05:22.710 Of course, that makes him I love at Psalm two 0:05:22.750 --> 0:05:25.670 at the end. This is really an important concept since 0:05:25.670 --> 0:05:28.950 he is the son at the end of Psalm two. 0:05:29.670 --> 0:05:36.390 It says this, uh, kiss or pay homage to the son, 0:05:37.310 --> 0:05:41.110 lest he become angry. And you will, and you perish 0:05:41.110 --> 0:05:44.470 in your rebellion. That sounds bad, right? If you're. But 0:05:44.470 --> 0:05:49.150 then it says. Blessed are all those who take refuge 0:05:49.150 --> 0:05:52.150 in him. There's this great offer that we can put 0:05:52.150 --> 0:05:56.210 our trust in him. Take refuge in him. Find protection 0:05:56.210 --> 0:05:58.690 in him. And that's how we will bring joy and 0:05:58.690 --> 0:06:01.970 happiness into our lives. Blessedness into our lives. So it's 0:06:01.970 --> 0:06:05.210 not enough to know that he's the eternally enthroned Son 0:06:05.210 --> 0:06:07.490 of God. It's important to know that we need to 0:06:07.490 --> 0:06:11.450 take refuge in him first, by putting our faith in him, 0:06:11.450 --> 0:06:16.330 and then by living within his, uh, walking with him 0:06:16.330 --> 0:06:19.370 as our King. So that's Psalm two. 0:06:20.610 --> 0:06:24.730 Yes, I'm Linda from Ely, Minnesota, and I've been wondering, 0:06:24.730 --> 0:06:28.810 when did Moses write the Pentateuch? Was he in Sinai, 0:06:28.850 --> 0:06:31.250 the wilderness? Did he have some of that knowledge when 0:06:31.250 --> 0:06:34.330 he lived with Jethro? Um, just kind of wondering how 0:06:34.330 --> 0:06:35.890 he put that all together. 0:06:35.930 --> 0:06:40.490 Yeah. Me too. Uh, you know, why did you think 0:06:40.490 --> 0:06:42.890 he had to get the 70 elders there with him and. 0:06:42.890 --> 0:06:46.130 And that whole system of tens of. Because he was 0:06:46.130 --> 0:06:49.250 so busy writing the Bible. You know, I write books, 0:06:49.250 --> 0:06:51.650 and I know I can't find any time. I can't 0:06:51.750 --> 0:06:54.230 imagine what it would be like to be writing books 0:06:54.230 --> 0:06:58.469 in the wilderness, right? Uh, people knock on his door. Moses, 0:06:58.470 --> 0:07:00.430 we have a question. He says, leave me. It's my 0:07:00.430 --> 0:07:05.229 writing time. Uh, I think that he probably was writing. 0:07:05.270 --> 0:07:09.550 There are different segments when he was writing, when he 0:07:09.550 --> 0:07:13.670 had direct revelation, and he would write those things down. Also, 0:07:13.710 --> 0:07:17.510 there were probably other times when, uh, he had resources 0:07:17.510 --> 0:07:20.390 of some sort, things that he may have remembered from 0:07:20.390 --> 0:07:25.550 his upbringing, from, uh, Jochebed. Uh, you know, he was 0:07:25.550 --> 0:07:28.310 raised in a in a nice Jewish home, even though 0:07:28.310 --> 0:07:32.190 he was adopted by the Pharaoh's daughter. So he must 0:07:32.230 --> 0:07:34.550 have had some materials that he had from that, I 0:07:34.550 --> 0:07:38.750 think oral traditions that he had received from, uh, his 0:07:38.750 --> 0:07:43.030 family about Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. And then he wrote 0:07:43.030 --> 0:07:45.110 these down as they were traveling. I think there was 0:07:45.110 --> 0:07:48.350 a song by Keith Green that, you know. So you 0:07:48.350 --> 0:07:50.470 want to go back to Egypt? Do you remember that song? 0:07:50.810 --> 0:07:52.290 It was a long time ago. But he says what? 0:07:52.290 --> 0:07:55.050 Moses sitting around writing the Bible. Well, that's exactly right. 0:07:55.050 --> 0:07:57.210 That's what he was doing. So as he found time, 0:07:57.210 --> 0:07:59.930 he wrote, I think, different segments. And by the end 0:07:59.930 --> 0:08:03.610 of his wilderness wanderings, that's when he put it together. 0:08:03.610 --> 0:08:05.930 And one of the things that's really important when we 0:08:05.930 --> 0:08:09.330 read the Pentateuch, this is not just the Daily Journal 0:08:10.010 --> 0:08:14.930 of Moses. Uh, it's really clear that there is structure 0:08:15.570 --> 0:08:19.370 in the Torah, in the in the Pentateuch, the Five 0:08:19.410 --> 0:08:22.570 Books of Moses. It's really one book. And it's kind 0:08:22.570 --> 0:08:28.250 of interesting because it follows a structural pattern. There's story 0:08:28.250 --> 0:08:35.969 or narrative followed by a poem, followed by an epilogue. 0:08:36.330 --> 0:08:41.010 And it follows this structure four times through the Pentateuch. 0:08:41.010 --> 0:08:44.610 So you can go Genesis one through 48. That's the 0:08:44.610 --> 0:08:48.370 story of creation and the patriarchs. And then chapter 49, 0:08:48.370 --> 0:08:53.030 you've got this poetic piece by Jacob when he blesses 0:08:53.030 --> 0:08:56.390 the 12, uh, 12 sons. And then chapter 50, The 0:08:56.390 --> 0:08:59.870 Death of Jacob and Joseph. And that's the epilogue, and 0:08:59.870 --> 0:09:02.829 that's the structure. And then with Exodus, you start the 0:09:02.830 --> 0:09:06.190 narrative again. You get the the Exodus narrative, the story 0:09:06.190 --> 0:09:08.949 of the departure from Egypt. You have the Song of Moses, 0:09:08.950 --> 0:09:11.230 and then you have traveling to Sinai as an epilogue. 0:09:11.230 --> 0:09:14.830 And this continues through the Pentateuch. So you have narrative 0:09:14.870 --> 0:09:18.950 poem epilogue. And why is this important? It shows that 0:09:18.950 --> 0:09:21.870 Moses took all these materials that he was writing, and 0:09:21.870 --> 0:09:24.670 structured them in a very clear way to lead us 0:09:24.670 --> 0:09:27.750 to the end of the book, which has a double 0:09:27.750 --> 0:09:31.310 poem by Moses, the two songs of Moses, and then 0:09:31.309 --> 0:09:34.790 the epilogue, which is the the, the death of Moses 0:09:34.790 --> 0:09:37.390 at the end, and the reminder to keep looking for 0:09:37.390 --> 0:09:41.270 the prophet like Moses. So that's that's the structure of 0:09:41.270 --> 0:09:42.470 the book. Okay. 0:09:42.510 --> 0:09:43.030 Thank you. 0:09:43.070 --> 0:09:43.510 Um. 0:09:44.390 --> 0:09:48.819 Hi, I'm Aaron from Rogers, Minnesota. Question is from Zephaniah 0:09:48.820 --> 0:09:52.500 three nine. What is the pure language or pure? Pure speech? 0:09:52.700 --> 0:09:53.660 Could it be Hebrew? 0:09:54.620 --> 0:10:00.780 Yeah. It's a language of heaven, don't you think? Yeah. 0:10:00.860 --> 0:10:05.420 Uh uh, I often wonder what was the original language 0:10:05.420 --> 0:10:09.579 before the. The Tower of Babylon? Right where they all 0:10:09.620 --> 0:10:12.540 were broken up. I'm guessing they were all speak in Hebrew, 0:10:12.580 --> 0:10:18.220 because that's what Adam and Eve were speaking in, in Genesis, right? Actually, 0:10:18.220 --> 0:10:20.860 we don't know. That's how Moses wrote it. I don't 0:10:20.860 --> 0:10:23.540 know what the pure speech is. Uh, I have a 0:10:23.540 --> 0:10:25.980 lot of jokes that Russian Jews used to tell. I 0:10:25.980 --> 0:10:29.579 won't tell them on the radio about about learning Hebrew 0:10:29.580 --> 0:10:33.980 versus speaking Russian. I won't repeat them. But the they 0:10:33.980 --> 0:10:36.100 were so much oppression in Russia. They were really looking 0:10:36.100 --> 0:10:38.980 forward to the language of heaven in the land of Israel. 0:10:38.980 --> 0:10:43.020 And so when they were trying to get out. So, uh, yeah, I, 0:10:43.059 --> 0:10:45.500 I don't know what the language of heaven is, but, uh, 0:10:45.500 --> 0:10:49.080 or the original language, the IR language. I would guess 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:51.640 it may may have sounded a lot like Hebrew if 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:54.640 it wasn't Hebrew. Okay. Yeah. Hey, we're going to take 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.120 a break here. And when we come back, we're going 0:10:57.120 --> 0:11:00.920 to take more of these questions from this wonderful live 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:04.720 audience here in Eden Prairie, Minnesota. My name is Michael Redlich. 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:08.240 This program is called Open Line, and it's our Bible 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:11.480 study across America. So keep listening because there's more questions 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:33.160 coming up straight ahead. We'll be right back. Welcome back 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:37.040 to Open Line with Michael Riedel. We're pre-recorded today, so 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:41.200 don't call in. We're listening to a program from 2023 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:44.400 when Open Line traveled to Minnesota at a Chosen People 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:48.300 Ministries conference called Finding Shalom in a Troubled World, hosted 0:11:48.300 --> 0:11:50.420 by Wooddale Church. Let's listen in. 0:11:51.420 --> 0:11:53.660 I'm David Johnson. I actually know the answer. I wrote 0:11:53.660 --> 0:11:56.860 this for others. What is a completed Jew? Okay, and 0:11:56.860 --> 0:11:58.260 there's two of them sitting at the table. 0:11:58.300 --> 0:12:02.220 Okay. I am a completed Jew. Uh, that's a term 0:12:02.220 --> 0:12:06.780 that some people use. It's actually a reactionary term. Uh, 0:12:07.059 --> 0:12:11.460 because so often Jewish people have been called who come 0:12:11.460 --> 0:12:16.100 to faith in Jesus. In Yeshua, we are called converted Jews. 0:12:16.300 --> 0:12:20.540 And the problem with the word converted is for Jewish people. 0:12:20.540 --> 0:12:23.700 That means that I've converted from being Jewish, and I 0:12:23.740 --> 0:12:27.140 have now become a Gentile. And that's not true. I 0:12:27.140 --> 0:12:30.740 will always be Jewish. In fact, my faith is now 0:12:30.900 --> 0:12:34.580 complete because Jewish people are looking forward to. I was 0:12:34.580 --> 0:12:37.339 raised to look forward to the coming of the Messiah, 0:12:37.940 --> 0:12:41.300 and now I understand the Messiah has come. My faith 0:12:41.300 --> 0:12:44.680 is complete. I've put my trust in Yeshua. I once 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:48.640 heard someone say, I've converted from my sin, not from 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.960 being Jewish, and it's no sin to be a Jew. So, uh, 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:56.760 that that's, uh, one, one approach. And some people call 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:02.200 some call Messianic Jews, call ourselves Messianic Jews. Uh, some 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:07.880 call ourselves fulfilled Jews. Some people say we are Jewish 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:11.800 followers of Yeshua. There's all sorts of terms that we use, 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:14.400 but the term that we stay away from, if we can, 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:19.559 is converted Jews, because that is different. It when Jewish 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:23.520 people hear it, it's it says something different than when 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:25.959 other people hear it. We hear we cease to be 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.679 Jews and that will never be the case. God made 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:32.840 us Jewish and our destiny as Jews. That makes us, uh, 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:37.200 complete in our in our faith is faith in the 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:40.200 Jewish Messiah, Jesus. And so that's that's why we use 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:41.199 those other terms. 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:43.260 May I put in a plug for Marty. 0:13:43.300 --> 0:13:45.180 Yeah. Put Marty gets us here. 0:13:45.220 --> 0:13:48.420 I've heard him many times at community Bible study with 0:13:48.420 --> 0:13:51.620 Tom Berkowitz. Always dragged him in here. And I've got 0:13:51.620 --> 0:13:54.339 several CDs, and I'll be shocked if he doesn't have 0:13:54.340 --> 0:13:55.380 CDs to sell out there. 0:13:55.420 --> 0:13:57.660 Okay, there we go. They're going to sell CDs for 0:13:57.700 --> 0:14:00.620 Marty gets. Marty gets is my friend everyone listening on 0:14:00.620 --> 0:14:04.820 the radio? Marty gets is my friend for, oh, 35, 0:14:04.860 --> 0:14:07.420 36 years. And I was just noting that he'd never 0:14:07.420 --> 0:14:11.860 listened to Open Line before. And now this is my 0:14:11.860 --> 0:14:15.340 really good friend, is all I'm saying. Okay. So anyway, 0:14:15.340 --> 0:14:17.380 thank you, Marty, for doing that. And thanks for the plug. 0:14:17.380 --> 0:14:19.060 We're going to go away. I'm not getting a commission. 0:14:19.100 --> 0:14:20.380 Okay, good. Thank you. 0:14:21.580 --> 0:14:25.700 Hi, I'm Nancy from Waukesha, Wisconsin. So I guess this 0:14:25.700 --> 0:14:29.180 is another language question here. But in John 21 when 0:14:29.180 --> 0:14:33.060 Peter and Jesus are talking, Jesus asks Peter, do you 0:14:33.060 --> 0:14:36.740 love me? And the Greek words are agape and phileo, 0:14:36.980 --> 0:14:41.840 denoting different levels of love. In the original language, you know, 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:45.280 maybe Hebrew or Aramaic. What would those words be, do 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:46.800 you think for agape? 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.920 And let me just say that the only thing we 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:54.600 have to interpret are the Greek words. And so I 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.040 am a firm believer that we ought not to try 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:00.200 to go back to the Aramaic words that might have 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:04.760 been spoken that happened in the events there. But what 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:10.080 what is inspired? What is inspired? Revelation is the written text. 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:13.320 You know, it doesn't say that those events were inspired. 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:17.680 It says all Scripture is inspired or God breathed. So 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:19.760 we're going to stick to those words. Now, what I 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:25.280 will tell you is this in John 21, uh, this 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:27.720 is actually one of my favorite passages because it gives 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:30.680 hope to all failures like me, because Peter really failed. 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:34.360 How many times did he deny the Lord? Three times. 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:37.200 Peter always had to do everything in threes. You know, 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:38.760 how many times did he have to be told to 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:41.350 eat later on when he had that vision of the 0:15:41.350 --> 0:15:45.350 unclean animals three times. He's just a three time kind 0:15:45.390 --> 0:15:47.510 of guy. And it took a lot to get into 0:15:47.550 --> 0:15:51.550 his head. Well, anyway, he denied the Lord three times. 0:15:51.990 --> 0:15:55.670 And then three times he's asked, do you love me? 0:15:55.830 --> 0:15:58.990 And each time he says, yes, Lord, you know I 0:15:58.990 --> 0:16:01.670 love you, I love you. And a lot of people 0:16:01.670 --> 0:16:03.270 want to make a big deal that the Lord is 0:16:03.270 --> 0:16:09.190 using the word agape or agapao, because that means unconditional love. 0:16:09.670 --> 0:16:15.110 And Peter answers with the word phileo, which means friendship, love. However, 0:16:15.550 --> 0:16:20.710 that is what those words meant in classical Greek. By 0:16:20.710 --> 0:16:22.670 the time you get to Koine Greek, the language of 0:16:22.670 --> 0:16:27.790 the New Testament. They are absolute synonyms. There is no difference. 0:16:28.310 --> 0:16:32.229 And so all those sermons you may have heard about 0:16:32.870 --> 0:16:38.530 agape versus Phileo. They were misinterpreting those words. Wow. Uh, 0:16:38.690 --> 0:16:43.970 but there is significance because three times the Lord asks Peter, 0:16:45.210 --> 0:16:49.050 do you love me? And three times he's given an 0:16:49.050 --> 0:16:53.330 opportunity to affirm his love for the Lord. After his 0:16:53.330 --> 0:16:56.690 three denials, remember what he does. He's he's seen the 0:16:56.690 --> 0:16:59.170 risen Lord. He says, I'm going back to where I 0:16:59.170 --> 0:17:03.090 used to be. Uh, and he he goes back to 0:17:03.130 --> 0:17:06.850 being a fisherman. I'm going fishing. It leads the other 0:17:06.850 --> 0:17:09.889 disciples with him. Remember, he was the one that Lord 0:17:09.890 --> 0:17:12.850 said to him, I will make you fishers of men. 0:17:13.330 --> 0:17:16.050 And now he's going back to being a fisher of fish. 0:17:16.930 --> 0:17:18.850 And the Lord looks at him and says, do you 0:17:18.850 --> 0:17:23.290 love me more than these? A lot of people mistakenly 0:17:23.290 --> 0:17:26.409 understand him to be pointing at the other disciples. Do 0:17:26.410 --> 0:17:28.129 you love me more than them? Does that sound like 0:17:28.330 --> 0:17:31.050 like the Lord Jesus? I'm going to compare your love 0:17:31.050 --> 0:17:35.290 to the other disciples. No, he's pointing at the fishing boat. 0:17:35.330 --> 0:17:39.150 At the nets. Do you love me more than all these? 0:17:39.190 --> 0:17:43.149 Accouterments of fishing. And three times Peter gets to say 0:17:43.150 --> 0:17:47.230 I love you. And then each time he's commissioned. Feed 0:17:47.230 --> 0:17:50.830 my sheep. Tend my sheep. Shepherd my sheep. What is 0:17:50.830 --> 0:17:55.109 he doing? He's restoring him to ministry after his great failure. That's. 0:17:55.109 --> 0:17:57.310 It's a great passage. But it has nothing to do 0:17:57.310 --> 0:17:59.750 with the words agapao and phileo. 0:18:00.150 --> 0:18:01.230 Thank you so much. 0:18:02.470 --> 0:18:05.550 I'm Stephanie from Maple Plain, Minnesota. I have a family 0:18:05.550 --> 0:18:08.910 member who struggles to accept that God designed a system 0:18:08.910 --> 0:18:10.910 or a reality where we are destined to be born 0:18:10.910 --> 0:18:13.669 sinful and we must ask to be saved. He likens 0:18:13.670 --> 0:18:15.670 it to throwing a baby in the pool and expecting 0:18:15.670 --> 0:18:18.310 them to ask for help. The idea of our free 0:18:18.350 --> 0:18:21.310 will being essential for a love relationship doesn't satisfy him 0:18:21.310 --> 0:18:23.190 because he says, God set it up that way, and 0:18:23.190 --> 0:18:25.510 he gave me my rational mind to question this and 0:18:25.510 --> 0:18:28.790 to struggle. I think that he hasn't been overwhelmed by 0:18:28.790 --> 0:18:33.030 God's good goodness so he can trust God's sovereignty and 0:18:33.030 --> 0:18:35.669 his plan. And so I pray for him. But do 0:18:35.670 --> 0:18:38.130 you have an answer for this confusion that he has? 0:18:38.450 --> 0:18:40.889 Just clarify again, what's his objection that that. 0:18:41.210 --> 0:18:43.889 God set up this system. So I'm born sinful and 0:18:43.890 --> 0:18:48.490 I have to accept forgiveness or request forgiveness. He agrees. 0:18:48.490 --> 0:18:51.410 It's a free gift. Salvation is offered to us. But 0:18:51.410 --> 0:18:52.730 why did God set it up this way? 0:18:52.770 --> 0:18:54.570 Did you ever think that God didn't set it up 0:18:54.570 --> 0:18:55.090 this way? 0:18:55.650 --> 0:18:56.330 I don't know. 0:18:56.530 --> 0:19:00.090 Well, think about it. He created Adam and Eve, told them. 0:19:00.090 --> 0:19:01.889 Don't eat from this tree over here. You can eat 0:19:01.890 --> 0:19:05.810 from every other one. And they opted not to listen. 0:19:06.330 --> 0:19:10.290 And that's how the system got started. So God's intention 0:19:10.290 --> 0:19:14.850 was for them to obey him. However, they didn't. And 0:19:14.850 --> 0:19:18.810 as a result, we all sin in Adam. He. He's 0:19:18.810 --> 0:19:21.250 our our head. He's our leader. He's the one that 0:19:21.250 --> 0:19:24.090 voted for us to be sinful. Now, I'm not saying 0:19:24.090 --> 0:19:26.369 that God didn't know that would happen, because the scriptures 0:19:26.369 --> 0:19:29.090 say that Jesus is the lamb slain before the foundation 0:19:29.090 --> 0:19:31.210 of the world. So before the first brick was laid 0:19:31.210 --> 0:19:32.970 in this world, the Lord knew what they were going 0:19:32.970 --> 0:19:34.810 to do and knew he was going to plan a 0:19:34.810 --> 0:19:39.070 plan a redemption, uh, for us. But, you know, it 0:19:39.070 --> 0:19:43.390 was not his desired will for Adam and Eve to sin. 0:19:43.830 --> 0:19:48.790 And yet they did. And as a consequence, we sin. Um, but, 0:19:49.590 --> 0:19:51.389 you know, I guess it's all a matter of perspective. 0:19:51.430 --> 0:19:54.030 If you're going to think. I don't want to believe this. 0:19:54.190 --> 0:19:56.430 I don't want to trust in this, we'll say, oh, boy, 0:19:56.470 --> 0:19:59.350 this is a bad plan that God has set up. However, 0:19:59.350 --> 0:20:01.830 if we think I am desperate and I am drowning, 0:20:01.950 --> 0:20:04.350 and God has given me a life preserver here, and 0:20:04.350 --> 0:20:07.430 he has planned this life preserver from eternity past, and 0:20:07.430 --> 0:20:10.990 he wants me to grasp Ahold of it. Uh, and 0:20:10.990 --> 0:20:14.470 he's going to even as and this is what's really 0:20:14.470 --> 0:20:17.790 amazing is he opens our hearts to believe, just like 0:20:17.790 --> 0:20:22.909 he did with Lydia in Acts 16. Uh, how is it, uh, 0:20:23.510 --> 0:20:26.590 that that's how as, uh, there was a movie I saw, 0:20:26.630 --> 0:20:28.750 Count of Monte Cristo. How was this a bad plan? 0:20:28.790 --> 0:20:32.350 It seems like a good plan. However, I know the response. Well, 0:20:32.350 --> 0:20:35.130 if God has to open my opened my heart for 0:20:35.170 --> 0:20:38.810 me to believe this. He needs to give me the enablement, 0:20:38.810 --> 0:20:42.930 divine enablement to believe. Then, just like in Romans nine, well, 0:20:42.930 --> 0:20:45.530 why does he still find fault with those who don't believe? 0:20:45.609 --> 0:20:48.850 Who can resist his will? And I don't have the 0:20:48.850 --> 0:20:50.690 answer for that. When I read that in Romans nine, 0:20:50.690 --> 0:20:54.210 the very first time, I was like, wow, I'm really 0:20:54.210 --> 0:20:56.730 going to get the answer I've always wanted. And then 0:20:56.730 --> 0:20:58.370 then the next verse says, who are you, O man, 0:20:58.369 --> 0:21:01.370 to talk back to God? And the answer God has 0:21:01.369 --> 0:21:05.929 about his sovereign plan for opening hearts and choosing and 0:21:05.930 --> 0:21:10.770 predestining and all that is, uh, don't talk back to God. 0:21:11.090 --> 0:21:11.650 That's it. 0:21:11.690 --> 0:21:13.050 And so pride comes into play. 0:21:13.090 --> 0:21:15.609 Yeah. Yeah. But God opens our hearts and we trust 0:21:15.609 --> 0:21:19.410 in him. And it's sort of a mystery, I believe 0:21:19.410 --> 0:21:22.930 how those two factors work together. Our responsibility to believe. 0:21:22.970 --> 0:21:26.170 But God opening our hearts and enabling us to believe. Uh, 0:21:26.170 --> 0:21:30.290 but I think, amazingly, you know, maybe I would suggest 0:21:30.290 --> 0:21:32.330 for your friend, have him read The Lion, the witch 0:21:32.330 --> 0:21:35.720 the witch and the wardrobe. Uh, I just listened to. 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:39.000 I recently listened to The Lion, the witch and the 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:42.119 Wardrobe on Audible books, and the reason I did it 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:44.159 is because some students told me that they think of 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:47.399 my wife and I on campus as Mr. and Mrs. Beaver, 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:51.040 and so I thought I got it, I got to 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:54.560 go back and listen to that. But the thing is, 0:21:54.560 --> 0:22:03.560 when you hear Aslan's willingness to take Edmund's sin and, 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:06.800 and go through that humiliation and take the punishment that 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:09.480 he deserved, I don't believe that. You know, the deep 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:12.080 magic is that we are owed to Satan, the ransom 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:14.639 to Satan. But I just would say to your friend, 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:17.720 look at what the Lord Jesus did, and maybe take 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:20.040 it out of the Gospels and put it in the 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:24.000 Chronicles of Narnia, and maybe he'll get a grasp about 0:22:24.000 --> 0:22:26.879 God's great love for him for this plan. Okay. 0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:27.399 Thank you. 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:27.880 Um. 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:32.379 Hi. My name is Kevin from Austin, Minnesota. I'd like 0:22:32.380 --> 0:22:35.660 to know how far different are the original boundary lines 0:22:35.660 --> 0:22:39.180 of the Promised Land from the modern day borders of Israel? 0:22:39.220 --> 0:22:42.139 They're really different. I can't give you miles, but I 0:22:42.180 --> 0:22:47.300 will tell you, uh, the biblical boundaries as found in 0:22:47.300 --> 0:22:52.940 Genesis 15, as you go north, they encompass, uh, Lebanon, 0:22:53.380 --> 0:22:58.540 Syria and most of Iraq. So that's how far it 0:22:58.540 --> 0:23:01.700 goes up to the north. It goes down just about 0:23:01.700 --> 0:23:06.540 where it is in the south. It encompasses Gaza, which is, uh, 0:23:06.780 --> 0:23:10.460 no longer governed by Israel, but it goes all the 0:23:10.460 --> 0:23:12.860 way to the river of Egypt or the Wadi el Arish, 0:23:13.060 --> 0:23:15.899 down by El Arish, Egypt, in the northern part of 0:23:15.900 --> 0:23:19.940 the Sinai Peninsula. And that's by Kadesh Barnea. That that's 0:23:20.140 --> 0:23:23.180 as you head eastward. So I wish I could show 0:23:23.180 --> 0:23:25.820 you a map on the radio, but I can't. But, uh, 0:23:25.820 --> 0:23:28.740 it goes from there, and it encompasses all the way 0:23:28.780 --> 0:23:33.840 up north. It's much bigger than than what Israel ever 0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:36.840 has been, even in the times of David and Solomon, 0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:39.440 which tells me that one of the reasons we have 0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:45.680 to have confidence that God's going to fulfill the Abrahamic 0:23:45.680 --> 0:23:49.560 covenant is so that those boundaries can be fulfilled which 0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:52.399 have never been fulfilled. So when God, God promised to 0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:57.240 Abraham a land seed blessing, all those things must come true. 0:23:57.359 --> 0:23:59.679 When the Lord Jesus returns, he will establish a kingdom 0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:04.520 with those boundaries for Israel. Okay. Okay, we're going to go. 0:24:04.560 --> 0:24:06.440 One more question. Let's see if I can answer it. 0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:12.080 Good morning, I am Carmen, I was born and raised 0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:15.560 in San Antonio, Texas. I'm a Texas midget. 0:24:15.600 --> 0:24:15.959 Oh. 0:24:16.160 --> 0:24:21.760 And my question is, God has chosen the Jewish people 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:26.919 as his special people, the chosen ones. And I was wondering, 0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:30.060 after hearing the different testimonies that I've heard the last 0:24:30.060 --> 0:24:34.260 couple of days. How can we pray for the Jewish 0:24:34.260 --> 0:24:38.340 people from our heart, not just, you know, Lord, bring 0:24:38.340 --> 0:24:41.260 them to salvation, but to really pray? 0:24:41.300 --> 0:24:43.620 I would say Romans ten one is the only example 0:24:43.619 --> 0:24:46.659 of praying, evangelistic praying in the whole Scripture. And it's 0:24:46.660 --> 0:24:49.060 for the Jewish people. It says where Paul says, my 0:24:49.060 --> 0:24:51.739 heart's desire and prayer to God for them is that 0:24:51.740 --> 0:24:55.740 they might be saved. So we can pray for God 0:24:55.740 --> 0:24:58.859 to open hearts among Jewish people. We can pray for 0:24:58.859 --> 0:25:04.260 God to raise up a genuine, godly followers of Yeshua 0:25:04.260 --> 0:25:06.900 of Jesus, to be near them, that they would have 0:25:06.900 --> 0:25:10.860 opportunities to talk, that they would take. They would be bold, 0:25:10.900 --> 0:25:14.300 yet sensitive when they talk. Those are all specific prayer 0:25:14.300 --> 0:25:16.179 requests that we can pray for the salvation of the 0:25:16.180 --> 0:25:20.100 Jewish people today in this time of antisemitism. We can 0:25:20.100 --> 0:25:24.940 pray for the God's protection and preservation of the Jewish people. Uh, 0:25:25.220 --> 0:25:28.840 we can also pray for ourselves, that we would meet 0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:33.560 Jewish people and God would give us opportunity to boldly 0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:36.240 yet sensitively speak with them, and that God would open 0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:38.800 their hearts. That's what I would say. Well, we're going 0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:40.439 to take a break here. When we come back, we're 0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:42.520 going to talk a little bit with Mitch Glazer, president 0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:45.040 of Chosen People Ministries. I might ask him that very 0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:48.280 same question, but we'll see. Uh, my name is Michael Ray. 0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:51.119 We're in Eden Prairie, Minnesota, at Wooddale Church at the 0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:55.080 Chosen People Ministries Finding Shalom conference. Stay with us. More 0:25:55.080 --> 0:26:02.120 questions coming up straight ahead. We're so glad that Febc 0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:06.240 partners with Openline, with Doctor Michael Melnick bringing the Febc 0:26:06.280 --> 0:26:10.199 mailbag every week. Learn how Far East Broadcasting Company is 0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:15.040 taking Christ to the world at Febc on their weekly podcast. 0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:18.000 Until all have heard with Ed Cannon. 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I'm not going to give you a 0:28:24.190 --> 0:28:26.510 big introduction. I'm just going to say thank you. 11 0:28:26.510 --> 0:28:29.989 years now, you have had an open line underwritten by 0:28:30.030 --> 0:28:33.430 Chosen People Ministries from the very first week we were 0:28:33.430 --> 0:28:35.390 on the air. And I want to say thank you. 0:28:35.430 --> 0:28:37.909 You're welcome. Michael, it's been more than a privilege. 0:28:37.950 --> 0:28:39.470 Thank you. Now, why in the world would you do that? 0:28:39.470 --> 0:28:41.150 That's the question I have always wondered. 0:28:41.910 --> 0:28:43.110 Well, it helps us raise money. 0:28:43.150 --> 0:28:43.670 Yeah, I know. 0:28:43.990 --> 0:28:49.790 But. The main reason we did it was because you asked. 0:28:50.070 --> 0:28:52.110 And because I love you. And you've been my friend 0:28:52.110 --> 0:28:55.790 and co-laborer in ministry for many, many years. But to 0:28:55.790 --> 0:29:00.950 have a Jewish believer as the voice for answering Bible 0:29:00.950 --> 0:29:06.470 questions that Christians have, and knowing that biblically and theologically, 0:29:06.470 --> 0:29:10.190 you would make sure that people understood the important role 0:29:10.190 --> 0:29:14.190 that Israel and the Jewish people play in God's ongoing plan. 0:29:14.630 --> 0:29:18.630 And you would emphasize Jewish evangelism and all the things 0:29:18.630 --> 0:29:21.110 that we love and have shared together for so many 0:29:21.110 --> 0:29:24.410 years was just like a little bit of a dream, Michael. 0:29:24.570 --> 0:29:28.170 I mean, to have you as our voice was just fabulous. 0:29:28.170 --> 0:29:30.090 And so we praise God for Moody and we praise 0:29:30.090 --> 0:29:30.890 God for you. 0:29:30.930 --> 0:29:33.290 Well, I I'm really grateful. And, you know, I think 0:29:33.290 --> 0:29:36.250 one of the most amazing things is moody and, you know, this, 0:29:36.250 --> 0:29:40.290 but maybe our audience doesn't. I am the fifth Jewish 0:29:40.290 --> 0:29:44.690 studies professor at Moody, so that must be like ten years. 0:29:44.690 --> 0:29:47.170 But no, I've been there 30 years. But the Jewish 0:29:47.170 --> 0:29:50.930 Studies program at Moody Bible Institute just this year is 0:29:50.930 --> 0:29:56.730 celebrating its 100th anniversary, 100 years of Jewish studies. So 0:29:56.850 --> 0:30:00.130 it wasn't really hard to think about Moody having those themes. 0:30:00.170 --> 0:30:04.330 Moody Bible Institute has had a great heart for Jewish people, 0:30:04.370 --> 0:30:08.170 always concerned theologically. In fact, when it's it's a fairly 0:30:08.170 --> 0:30:11.170 small major. People don't know that. They think there are 0:30:11.170 --> 0:30:14.090 hundreds and hundreds of Jewish studies students. But it's a 0:30:14.090 --> 0:30:16.050 it's a small major. It's had a great impact for 0:30:16.050 --> 0:30:18.930 Jewish ministry, I believe, as you look at the people. 0:30:19.090 --> 0:30:22.230 But when I started counting how many missionaries who have 0:30:22.230 --> 0:30:25.790 worked with chosen people went to the Moody Jewish Studies program. 0:30:25.830 --> 0:30:27.510 I stopped counting at 200. 0:30:27.550 --> 0:30:30.070 Oh, wow. Wow. Yeah, it's had a great impact. And 0:30:30.070 --> 0:30:32.150 I'm really grateful to God that I got to play 0:30:32.150 --> 0:30:34.990 a little part of it. But when I interviewed, the 0:30:34.990 --> 0:30:37.790 provost said to me that he's the head of education 0:30:37.830 --> 0:30:39.510 at Moody. He said this would be a good time 0:30:39.510 --> 0:30:41.270 to shut down the program. Did you ever wonder why 0:30:41.270 --> 0:30:44.550 we're not? And I'm like, ah, no. I think, why 0:30:44.550 --> 0:30:47.790 am I here for this interview? And he said, because 0:30:47.790 --> 0:30:53.870 we have a a biblical, theological and practical commitment to 0:30:53.910 --> 0:30:55.150 reaching Jewish people. 0:30:55.190 --> 0:30:57.390 Absolutely. And it was wonderful to be part of the 0:30:57.390 --> 0:30:59.990 celebration at the missions conference, to have a whole missions 0:30:59.990 --> 0:31:05.230 conference at Moody Bible Institute, dedicated and focused on Jewish missions, 0:31:05.230 --> 0:31:07.310 was one of the great privileges of my life. 0:31:07.350 --> 0:31:09.030 Yeah, it was it was great. Loved it. Thank you 0:31:09.030 --> 0:31:09.670 for being there. 0:31:09.710 --> 0:31:10.710 And the food was good. 0:31:10.750 --> 0:31:14.710 The food was really good. So now it's the first 0:31:14.710 --> 0:31:16.870 time at Moody. I think they had Jewish food for things. 0:31:16.910 --> 0:31:17.630 But anyway. 0:31:17.670 --> 0:31:18.510 Bagels for all. 0:31:18.550 --> 0:31:22.090 Bagels for all. for all. Exactly. Let's talk about this conference. 0:31:22.130 --> 0:31:24.729 It's called finding Shalom in a troubled World. 0:31:24.770 --> 0:31:25.330 Yes. 0:31:25.570 --> 0:31:27.010 Why would you choose this theme? 0:31:27.330 --> 0:31:33.450 Because we're living in a very fractured, divided wall world 0:31:33.450 --> 0:31:37.850 right now. Unfortunately, it's also impacted the church and it's global. 0:31:37.890 --> 0:31:40.010 We just did a conference like this in the UK 0:31:40.410 --> 0:31:44.170 because they're having the similar problems and also in Australia. 0:31:44.850 --> 0:31:49.050 And I think that the answer to our lack of unity, 0:31:49.090 --> 0:31:52.690 the answer to our being divided within ourselves and within 0:31:52.690 --> 0:31:56.330 our families and churches is the Prince of Peace. And 0:31:56.330 --> 0:31:58.450 so we want to focus on the peace that we 0:31:58.450 --> 0:32:01.570 can have, not only peace in our own soul, but 0:32:01.570 --> 0:32:04.890 of course, peace with God, peace with one another, and 0:32:04.970 --> 0:32:08.770 peace within the greater body of Messiah. Because that unity 0:32:08.810 --> 0:32:11.450 was supposed to be, according to John 17, was supposed 0:32:11.450 --> 0:32:14.690 to be a testimony of the very nature of God. 0:32:14.730 --> 0:32:17.970 And so it's vitally important that we have peace with 0:32:18.150 --> 0:32:20.830 ourselves and peace with one another, so that the world 0:32:20.830 --> 0:32:23.710 can see that God is indeed true and Jesus is 0:32:23.710 --> 0:32:24.270 the Messiah. 0:32:24.310 --> 0:32:26.590 Yeah, I'm really excited. I get to preach tonight on 0:32:26.590 --> 0:32:29.950 one of my favorite passages at this conference. It's, uh, 0:32:30.550 --> 0:32:33.750 I'm speaking on Isaiah nine one through seven about finding 0:32:33.750 --> 0:32:37.430 peace or shalom through the Prince of Peace. So I'm 0:32:37.430 --> 0:32:38.670 pretty excited about that. 0:32:38.710 --> 0:32:41.030 Yes. Well, that was my choice, Michael. 0:32:41.070 --> 0:32:44.030 I know, yeah. I didn't have any choice. Uh, we 0:32:44.030 --> 0:32:45.350 have a question here for us. 0:32:45.470 --> 0:32:49.470 Hi. My name is Gaye Rieger, and I'm from Savage, Minnesota, 0:32:49.870 --> 0:32:52.390 and I am. I would love to hear both of 0:32:52.390 --> 0:32:56.630 you share how you came to Messiah. How you found him. 0:32:56.670 --> 0:32:59.350 Wow. Well, I'm going to just say that I did 0:32:59.350 --> 0:33:01.870 a whole program. I think. What date was it on? 0:33:01.910 --> 0:33:03.750 If people want to go back and listen to the podcast, 0:33:03.750 --> 0:33:06.350 I think it was like April 17th or 15th or 0:33:06.350 --> 0:33:08.510 something like that. Uh, you can go back to the 0:33:08.510 --> 0:33:13.310 podcast in mid-April if you go to Moody Radio. Uh, and, 0:33:13.350 --> 0:33:16.350 and you can find the podcast. And because it was, 0:33:16.390 --> 0:33:18.980 it was a was a rebroadcast actually from last year. 0:33:18.980 --> 0:33:24.700 It had, uh, we took over an hour because it 0:33:24.700 --> 0:33:27.500 was my 50th spiritual birthday last year when I did 0:33:27.500 --> 0:33:31.820 that program. So we rebroadcast it and actually, Chris Fabry 0:33:31.820 --> 0:33:34.660 from Moody Radio came on and interviewed me about how 0:33:35.020 --> 0:33:37.900 about my whole faith story. And so that was pretty exciting. 0:33:37.900 --> 0:33:41.300 So I've been a follower of Yeshua for 51 years quickly. 0:33:41.620 --> 0:33:44.260 My parents were Holocaust survivors. I never dreamed I would 0:33:44.300 --> 0:33:48.420 believe in Yeshua. And when I was confronted through the 0:33:48.420 --> 0:33:52.860 Chosen People Ministries Brooklyn director, a woman named Hilda Kozar, 0:33:53.020 --> 0:33:55.340 we argued the scriptures. I wouldn't say we studied them. 0:33:55.340 --> 0:33:58.979 We fought over the scriptures. But through her explanation of 0:33:58.980 --> 0:34:03.020 messianic prophecy, I became convinced that Yeshua was the Messiah 0:34:03.020 --> 0:34:05.220 and became a follower of Yeshua. When I was in 0:34:05.220 --> 0:34:08.620 high school. It was the broadcast, by the way I 0:34:08.620 --> 0:34:12.260 just heard in my headset was April 8th. There we go. 0:34:12.300 --> 0:34:14.420 So you can go back and listen to that. 0:34:15.140 --> 0:34:17.400 Well, I was raised a good Jewish boy. Became a 0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:20.680 bad Jewish boy after my bar mitzvah. Went to college. 0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:24.320 Dropped out of college all before I was 17. Majored 0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:28.680 in unregistered pharmacy and minored in marketing. And then? And 0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:31.439 then I went. Then I went, like all good Jewish boys. 0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:34.520 I went out to San Francisco looking for. For truth. 0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:38.000 No flowers in my hair. But it was long. My 0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:41.160 two best friends betrayed me and became believers in Jesus. 0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:43.320 I tried to talk him out of it and lost. 0:34:43.920 --> 0:34:46.440 And so I read a New Testament that I found 0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:48.200 in a phone booth in the middle of the redwood 0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:52.120 forest and discovered, unbelievably, that Jesus was Jewish. I thought 0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:56.359 he was the chief of anti-Semitism. And I fell in 0:34:56.360 --> 0:35:00.400 love with Jesus and accepted Jesus. And he transformed my life. 0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:04.000 And like Michael, I'm a 51 year veteran of the 0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:05.640 of the spiritual warfare. 0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:13.840 So, you know, I just, I just, I just. Watched 0:35:14.739 --> 0:35:19.379 For the second time. Jesus. Revolution. And you know, I 0:35:19.420 --> 0:35:21.980 was just the first time I saw that movie. I 0:35:21.980 --> 0:35:24.219 was thinking about, you know, I was on the East Coast, 0:35:24.260 --> 0:35:26.820 not on the West Coast, but how many. 0:35:26.820 --> 0:35:27.620 Were much younger? 0:35:27.660 --> 0:35:34.460 I was much younger. Uh, better looking too. Uh, but no, uh, I, 0:35:35.700 --> 0:35:38.779 I was amazed when I started thinking about how many 0:35:38.780 --> 0:35:42.420 people in Jewish ministry came to faith in that period, 0:35:42.420 --> 0:35:46.700 between 1967 and 1973, which was sort of the Jesus 0:35:46.700 --> 0:35:49.259 Revolution period. And it was you and me and my 0:35:49.260 --> 0:35:52.540 friend Larry out in California and, uh, our friend Jan 0:35:52.540 --> 0:35:56.100 Moskowitz and Bruce Goldstein and and there were so many 0:35:56.100 --> 0:36:00.460 of us, uh, that went to Jewish ministry. So that 0:36:00.460 --> 0:36:04.100 that movie didn't really hit the revival among Jewish people. 0:36:04.140 --> 0:36:06.260 The revolution. But it was there. 0:36:06.739 --> 0:36:10.220 Yeah. Uh, you know, my interest in, in church history 0:36:10.219 --> 0:36:13.680 and Messianic Jewish history, every time there's been an outpouring 0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:17.359 of the Holy Spirit, people have been drawn to the scriptures. 0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:20.120 And actually the role of Israel and the Jewish people 0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:22.839 in God's plan has become prominent. And a lot of 0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:26.040 Jewish people have become believers in Jesus. So whenever you 0:36:26.040 --> 0:36:28.040 see an outpouring of the Holy Spirit, if there are 0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:30.440 Jewish people around, Jewish people. 0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:30.960 Hit them too. 0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:34.000 Jewish people are being touched. It happened between World War 0:36:34.000 --> 0:36:36.520 One and World War Two in Europe, and it happened 0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:42.280 incredibly during the early, late 60s and early 70s. And 0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:45.320 so whenever there is a movement of the Holy Spirit, 0:36:45.719 --> 0:36:48.400 Jewish people get saved. So pray for a movement of 0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:51.160 the Holy Spirit. Yeah, and there's a big one coming, 0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:53.319 according to Romans 11. So we're going to see the 0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:54.000 best yet. 0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:57.520 Yep, yep. Greg Laurie was on a moody radio program 0:36:57.560 --> 0:36:59.839 and a Jewish believer I know, who also is a 0:36:59.840 --> 0:37:02.560 product of the Jesus Revolution. She called up and said, 0:37:02.560 --> 0:37:04.759 how come you didn't mention all the Jewish people that 0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:08.000 came to faith there at Costa mesa and all that? 0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:10.480 And he said, forgive me. We were just kind of 0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:15.500 focused on what happened there at that time with me. So, uh, but, uh, 0:37:15.540 --> 0:37:18.299 he then he laughed and he acknowledged that there was 0:37:18.300 --> 0:37:22.020 even then in California, the back story of that movie 0:37:22.020 --> 0:37:23.940 was there were many Jewish people who came to faith, 0:37:23.980 --> 0:37:24.580 even there. 0:37:24.620 --> 0:37:26.660 So a lot of the leaders of the modern messianic 0:37:26.660 --> 0:37:29.820 movement in Israel came to faith outside the country during 0:37:29.820 --> 0:37:32.739 the Jesus movement. And I remember my first trip to 0:37:32.780 --> 0:37:35.299 Israel in 1976. There may have been a half a 0:37:35.300 --> 0:37:40.940 dozen congregations. Today there's probably between 150 and 160. And 0:37:40.980 --> 0:37:44.620 I mean, this is the ongoing fruit of the Jesus movement. 0:37:44.660 --> 0:37:45.980 Yeah. And that's how, you know, it was a real 0:37:45.980 --> 0:37:50.739 revival because it has ongoing fruit. So let's ask, uh, Jason, 0:37:50.739 --> 0:37:52.060 why don't you come up and see if you have 0:37:52.060 --> 0:37:56.660 a question? Great. Jason Rose is. I'm going to give 0:37:56.660 --> 0:37:59.299 your last name. I think it's okay. Is it not? Yeah. 0:37:59.340 --> 0:38:02.940 Jason Rose is a former student of mine who graduated 0:38:02.940 --> 0:38:05.500 from Jewish Studies and serves with Chosen People Ministries. 0:38:05.820 --> 0:38:08.700 So my question is, since you lead tours to Israel, 0:38:08.820 --> 0:38:12.960 what's the most theologically or biblically significant site, in your opinion? 0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:14.320 Well. 0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:19.359 I would say the Temple Mount, the Western Wall. I 0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:23.920 don't usually go on the mount because it's a little bit, uh, touchy. 0:38:24.280 --> 0:38:27.719 But I think the Western Wall that what people used 0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:30.440 to call the Wailing Wall, it's not the Wailing Wall. 0:38:30.480 --> 0:38:34.239 The Western wall, the supporting wall of the Temple Mount. 0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:39.839 I think that's the most significant because, uh, God said, well, 0:38:39.840 --> 0:38:45.320 that's where on that mount is where Abraham almost sacrificed Isaac. Uh, 0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:49.600 it's where when the temple was built. The spirit of God. 0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:52.400 The first temple, the Spirit of God was the Shekinah. 0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:56.560 The the presence, the Shekinah glory was present there. Ezekiel 0:38:56.600 --> 0:39:02.000 ten describes its departure before the Babylonian conquest. Uh, but 0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:05.239 Ezekiel also talks about the day when the temple is 0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:09.750 rebuilt in the Messianic kingdom, when the Spirit of God 0:39:09.750 --> 0:39:14.469 will be present there again. Uh, and so it is 0:39:14.469 --> 0:39:17.270 a remarkable place, the Lord Jesus. A lot of people say, well, 0:39:17.310 --> 0:39:19.509 you know, now that you believe in Jesus, it wouldn't 0:39:19.790 --> 0:39:24.950 matter because, uh, you know, we are the temples today, 0:39:24.989 --> 0:39:27.270 you know, and I think there's a sense of truth. 0:39:27.310 --> 0:39:29.270 Doesn't matter where you worship. We need to worship God 0:39:29.270 --> 0:39:32.149 in spirit and in truth. But it says the Lord 0:39:32.150 --> 0:39:36.910 Jesus had zeal for his father's house. He cared about it. 0:39:36.950 --> 0:39:39.029 Do you have a quick one minute answer of your 0:39:39.030 --> 0:39:40.310 favorite place to take people? 0:39:40.350 --> 0:39:42.910 You know what I usually say about the Garden Tomb 0:39:42.910 --> 0:39:45.230 is that if it wasn't there, it was like there. 0:39:45.790 --> 0:39:49.230 And I'd say taking communion at the Garden Tomb, which 0:39:49.230 --> 0:39:52.230 is a part of many tours, is still, for me personally, 0:39:52.230 --> 0:39:55.509 the most meaningful moment of my trips to Israel. I 0:39:55.510 --> 0:39:58.430 highly recommend you come to Israel. You can go with 0:39:58.430 --> 0:40:01.430 Michael or you can go with Chosen People Ministries. Take 0:40:01.430 --> 0:40:02.070 your pick. 0:40:02.110 --> 0:40:04.149 I don't care how you go, just go. That's what 0:40:04.150 --> 0:40:04.750 I think. 0:40:05.030 --> 0:40:07.270 And I hope that you get to take communion at 0:40:07.270 --> 0:40:10.410 the At the Garden Tomb. It's so incredibly powerful. 0:40:10.450 --> 0:40:13.330 Yeah, I love that. I think that's a really exceptionally 0:40:14.130 --> 0:40:18.450 special place. I agree with Mitch. Uh, what's your favorite place? 0:40:19.290 --> 0:40:22.770 My favorite place is Capernaum. Actually, because of the significance 0:40:22.770 --> 0:40:25.850 of the beginning of the Messianic Jewish followers of Jesus. 0:40:25.890 --> 0:40:30.810 It's the oldest site where you can see, uh, Jewish 0:40:30.810 --> 0:40:33.050 community of fellowship. 0:40:33.250 --> 0:40:36.569 Yeah, that's the hometown of Jesus. And it's also that 0:40:36.570 --> 0:40:39.009 some go to that synagogue there, and they think that 0:40:39.010 --> 0:40:42.450 may have been actually a messianic Jewish synagogue, not necessarily 0:40:42.450 --> 0:40:45.770 a traditional synagogue. So that's that's pretty amazing. We're going 0:40:45.770 --> 0:40:48.009 to come right back with more questions in just a moment. 0:40:48.050 --> 0:40:50.489 You're listening to Open Line with Michael, and that was 0:40:50.489 --> 0:41:03.930 Mitch Glazer on the program with me. If you've always 0:41:03.930 --> 0:41:06.270 wanted to see Israel but haven't been able to able 0:41:06.270 --> 0:41:09.629 to travel there. Or maybe you were there and you'd 0:41:09.630 --> 0:41:14.149 like to remember better. Chosen People Ministries is offering a book, Israel, 0:41:14.390 --> 0:41:17.830 the land and the people. It's filled with some of 0:41:17.830 --> 0:41:21.470 the best photos of Israel anywhere. It's a coffee table 0:41:21.510 --> 0:41:24.509 sized book and it presents the beauty, history, culture and 0:41:24.510 --> 0:41:29.430 variety of the land, from snow capped Mount Hermon to Masada, 0:41:29.790 --> 0:41:33.550 from ancient Jerusalem to modern Tel Aviv, and much more. 0:41:34.310 --> 0:41:37.710 If you'd like a copy, just go to our website openlibrary.org. 0:41:37.710 --> 0:41:40.469 Scroll down and click on the link that says A 0:41:40.510 --> 0:41:44.830 Free gift from Chosen People Ministries, and you'll receive your 0:41:44.830 --> 0:41:59.469 copy of Israel, The land and the people. Welcome back 0:41:59.469 --> 0:42:02.830 to Open Line. I'm Michael Ray Melnick. No phone calls 0:42:02.830 --> 0:42:05.569 today because we're listening to a program first aired in 0:42:05.570 --> 0:42:10.330 2023 at a Chosen People Ministries conference in Eden Prairie, Minnesota. 0:42:10.370 --> 0:42:13.730 Let's go back to the conference. We're going to have 0:42:13.730 --> 0:42:16.050 a question here. Who are you, miss? 0:42:16.090 --> 0:42:19.210 My name is Tricia. I produce Open Line and you 0:42:19.250 --> 0:42:21.490 went out to the break. I have a question for you. 0:42:21.530 --> 0:42:25.210 You went out to the break saying Jesus hometown was Capernaum. 0:42:25.210 --> 0:42:27.450 And I said, wait, wait, wait what? I thought his 0:42:27.450 --> 0:42:28.570 hometown was Nazareth. 0:42:28.610 --> 0:42:30.089 He was born in Nazareth. 0:42:30.130 --> 0:42:31.250 He was born in Bethlehem. 0:42:31.370 --> 0:42:34.290 Born in Bethlehem. Raised? Yeah, right. Born in Bethlehem. Raised 0:42:34.290 --> 0:42:37.370 in Nazareth. So that was his hometown in that sense. 0:42:37.370 --> 0:42:39.969 But when his public ministry began, he switched over to 0:42:40.010 --> 0:42:42.530 Capernaum and lived in Capernaum. 0:42:43.010 --> 0:42:43.530 Okay. 0:42:43.570 --> 0:42:47.370 And so, uh, when you go into Capernaum, there's a 0:42:47.370 --> 0:42:49.890 sign that says the hometown of Jesus right there. But 0:42:49.930 --> 0:42:54.490 it really wasn't his hometown so much as his adopted hometown, 0:42:54.730 --> 0:42:57.170 born in Bethlehem. Right, I remember that. Okay. 0:42:57.969 --> 0:42:58.370 Okay. 0:42:58.930 --> 0:43:03.210 Raised in Nazareth, but adopted Capernaum as his hometown. 0:43:03.670 --> 0:43:08.270 Hi, I'm Lisa from Richfield, Minnesota. With the interfaith dialogue 0:43:08.270 --> 0:43:11.910 happening in the world, how do we make sure we 0:43:11.910 --> 0:43:15.150 as Christians are not being deceived, but that we are 0:43:15.150 --> 0:43:16.910 following the truth of the Lord? 0:43:17.830 --> 0:43:21.310 Well, I think interfaith dialogue is great. You know, one 0:43:21.310 --> 0:43:24.390 of the things that I believe about interfaith dialogue is 0:43:24.390 --> 0:43:27.109 that we should always express if we're interfaith, we should 0:43:27.110 --> 0:43:30.350 be able to express what we believe as well. Listen 0:43:30.350 --> 0:43:33.670 carefully to people. I always think that one of the 0:43:33.670 --> 0:43:38.670 best things we can do when we're dialoguing about interfaith, 0:43:38.830 --> 0:43:41.870 instead of telling people, you know, that, you know, believe 0:43:41.870 --> 0:43:44.150 on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved. 0:43:44.190 --> 0:43:47.270 That's probably not what I would do in an interfaith dialogue, 0:43:47.390 --> 0:43:49.710 but I would look for every opportunity to tell my 0:43:49.710 --> 0:43:52.989 faith story, how it is that I came to faith, 0:43:53.469 --> 0:43:56.390 what it was that God did in my life, how 0:43:56.390 --> 0:43:58.750 he worked in my life, how it is that I 0:43:58.790 --> 0:44:01.669 came to believe in the Lord Jesus the Messiah, and 0:44:01.670 --> 0:44:04.210 how he forgave my sins. And the reason I would 0:44:04.210 --> 0:44:06.890 do that is it's interfaith and it's a dialogue. You 0:44:06.890 --> 0:44:09.930 want to hear my part, I'll listen to yours. And, uh, 0:44:09.930 --> 0:44:13.129 hopefully that would as we talk about what God has 0:44:13.130 --> 0:44:17.130 done in our lives, when we dialogue, people will be 0:44:17.130 --> 0:44:21.730 challenged and want to hear more, uh, part from the dialogue. 0:44:22.130 --> 0:44:24.250 So that's what I would do, uh, if I were 0:44:24.250 --> 0:44:26.690 engaged in interfaith dialogue, it would be to learn what 0:44:26.690 --> 0:44:30.250 people think. To learn how they feel. But always looking 0:44:30.250 --> 0:44:32.570 for an opportunity to tell my faith story as well. 0:44:33.050 --> 0:44:33.850 Yes. Thank you. 0:44:33.890 --> 0:44:34.290 Um. 0:44:36.170 --> 0:44:37.730 Okay. Here we go. 0:44:38.770 --> 0:44:43.290 Linda from Minneapolis. Uh, we have some acquaintances, friends who 0:44:43.290 --> 0:44:48.049 are Russian Jews. And English is their fifth language. They're 0:44:48.050 --> 0:44:52.569 extremely intelligent, sophisticated people. Do you have any advice on 0:44:52.570 --> 0:44:56.690 how to share with people who are rather intimidating, but 0:44:56.690 --> 0:44:57.410 very dear. 0:44:59.210 --> 0:45:03.800 Oh, boy. Well, uh. they you don't don't be intimidated. 0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:08.560 They're just people. And, uh, I think they Russian Jews 0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:12.759 were raised in an atheistic culture, and they would they 0:45:12.760 --> 0:45:17.160 would like to experience a real God. The thing that 0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:20.040 I do is, uh, when I talk to anyone, but 0:45:20.040 --> 0:45:23.680 particularly Jewish people, uh, I do something I call raising 0:45:23.680 --> 0:45:26.480 the flag. I'll. I'll mention something that God has done 0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:28.160 in my life. If I'm friends with them, I can 0:45:28.160 --> 0:45:29.919 talk about what God is doing in my life. They're 0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:32.880 talking about their lives. I might say that, you know, 0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:35.239 someone was ill. I prayed and God was working and 0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:38.279 provided this doctor and they're better or something that God 0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:42.719 has done that, uh, that I feel like just raise 0:45:42.719 --> 0:45:47.160 that flag. Uh, God is, uh, if they're having a problem, say, 0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:50.320 can I pray for you? Something like that. Raise that flag. 0:45:50.400 --> 0:45:52.399 And then as time goes by, they'll want to hear 0:45:52.400 --> 0:45:58.440 more because they are searching for a real experience with God, 0:45:58.440 --> 0:46:01.259 not religion, not, you know, going to this place or 0:46:01.260 --> 0:46:05.140 doing that thing. They can't hardly believe that there's someone 0:46:05.140 --> 0:46:08.700 who's experiencing God working in their lives. So keep raising 0:46:08.700 --> 0:46:11.500 those flags. And then as you have opportunity, tell your 0:46:11.500 --> 0:46:14.340 faith story. And before you know it, they'll want to 0:46:14.380 --> 0:46:15.940 know more and more. Okay. 0:46:15.980 --> 0:46:16.900 Thank you. Yeah. 0:46:17.140 --> 0:46:19.940 Uh, well, can't believe it. That's the first hour, but 0:46:19.940 --> 0:46:23.380 there's a second hour coming up on most of these stations. Remember, 0:46:23.380 --> 0:46:26.339 if your station doesn't carry open line, you can always 0:46:26.340 --> 0:46:30.100 listen online or with the podcast during the break. Check 0:46:30.100 --> 0:46:33.060 out our webpage, online radio.org. It's got all sorts of 0:46:33.060 --> 0:46:36.700 links that you'll like. How to ask a question or, uh, 0:46:37.300 --> 0:46:39.580 how to get our current resource or become a kitchen 0:46:39.580 --> 0:46:43.060 table partner. When we come back, there'll be more questions 0:46:43.060 --> 0:46:46.300 from this great audience here in Eden Prairie, Minnesota. 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