WEBVTT - Choosing to Walk in the Light – Part 1

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<v S1>Today on Bold Steps with Mark Jobe. Learn how you

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<v S1>can reflect the identity of your Heavenly Father for all

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<v S1>to see.

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<v S2>If you can begin to live like Jesus and begin

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<v S2>to imitate Jesus and what he did and how he

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<v S2>walked and how he talked, then you can begin to

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<v S2>live like God, imitators of God. And if you're going

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<v S2>to really live like children of God, then there's a

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<v S2>few things you need to understand and a few things

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<v S2>you need to change.

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<v S1>And welcome to Bold Steps with pastor Mark Jobe. Mark

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<v S1>is senior pastor of New Life Community Church and president

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<v S1>of Moody Bible Institute here in Chicago. I'm Wayne Shepherd. Well,

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<v S1>we've come to Ephesians chapter five now in our series,

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<v S1>and Paul gives us a seemingly difficult command. He doesn't

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<v S1>go easy on us here, does he, Mark, be imitators

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<v S1>of God? Now, what does that mean?

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<v S2>Yeah, that feels very elusive. How do I imitate God?

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<v S2>But then he goes on to explain. Be imitators of

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<v S2>God and walk in love just as Christ loved us.

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<v S2>And I think that's the key. It's hard to get

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<v S2>Ahold of. How do how can I be like God?

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<v S2>But when I look at Jesus, I know how God is.

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<v S2>So be imitators of Christ.

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<v S1>Well, let's get into this study now. Once again, we're

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<v S1>in Ephesians chapter five. And here's Mark.

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<v S2>Ephesians chapter five, verse one. Be imitators of God. Go ahead.

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<v S2>You can read it. First phrase Ephesians chapter five, verse one.

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<v S2>Be imitators of God. I don't know what goes through

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<v S2>your mind when you think of imitating God. But it's

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<v S2>a hard image to grasp, isn't it? Because you think, well,

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<v S2>how can I imitate God? I mean, God is God.

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<v S2>I mean, I don't even know how to start on that.

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<v S2>I mean, he's so far up. I'm so far down.

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<v S2>How can I even begin to imitate God? The word

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<v S2>in the Greek is mimic. Uh, it comes from where

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<v S2>we get our English word to mimic, to be like,

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<v S2>to take on the pattern of something. Now, if we

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<v S2>were just to stop there, it would seem like it

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<v S2>would be too hard, too confusing, too big to grasp.

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<v S2>But he clarifies it a little bit when he says,

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<v S2>be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children. Ah ah. Okay,

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<v S2>maybe now you can grasp the concept a little bit more.

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<v S2>Just as a child would seek to grow up and

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<v S2>be like their father or mother, so we as children

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<v S2>of God imitate God because he is our father. I

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<v S2>have three children of my own. I have an 18

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<v S2>year old daughter. She's in her first year of college.

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<v S2>I have my my son, who's a junior in high school.

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<v S2>Then I have my 11 year old. He's in sixth grade.

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<v S2>And as they've grown up, I've realized that children tend

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<v S2>to imitate their parents in certain ways. Uh, whether you

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<v S2>like it or not, they imitate the good. Hey, and

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<v S2>they imitate the bad. And I'll never forget my daughter.

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<v S2>When she was about two years old, she was sitting

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<v S2>on a couch. Her legs wouldn't even hang over because,

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<v S2>you know, she's small, her legs are sticking straight out.

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<v S2>And she had a big catalog on her lap that

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<v S2>she got somewhere. And she's looking through the pages of

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<v S2>the catalog. And here's what she was doing. She was

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<v S2>imitating her mom. She had seen her mom do it,

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<v S2>so she was licking her finger. And with the other hand,

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<v S2>she was turning the page. You know, she kind of

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<v S2>had the idea, right? But it wasn't quite working for her. But,

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<v S2>you know, she had seen it done. So she was

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<v S2>imitating what she had seen done. And so it is

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<v S2>with children. They begin to talk like their parents and

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<v S2>use expressions that their parents have. And some people tell

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<v S2>me that my daughter, they've seen my daughter walk and

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<v S2>they said, she walks like you. And I'm not sure

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<v S2>that's good or bad, but but she walks like now.

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<v S2>I never told my daughter, hey, honey, here's how you walk.

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<v S2>I want you to walk like dad, you know, throw

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<v S2>your leg out this way. That. No, no, no, I

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<v S2>never explained that just by being around. Just by her biology,

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<v S2>just by being a part of the family, there are

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<v S2>certain things that she just takes on because. Because she's imitating,

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<v S2>because she's around. It's by it's by relationship that she

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<v S2>begins to take on the characteristics of her father. My

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<v S2>brother and I are about 22 months apart, and when

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<v S2>I call up my mother now, he's an artist, independent filmmaker.

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<v S2>So he's got if you've ever he's been here a

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<v S2>few times, he's got like spiky hair and a couple

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<v S2>earrings and so forth. He's he's the artist side of

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<v S2>the family, but we sound a lot alike. And so

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<v S2>when I call up my mother, who lives in Spain,

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<v S2>she always asks the first question she asks, is this Bob,

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<v S2>or is this Mark? Because our voices sound a lot alike. Why?

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<v S2>We grew up in the same household. We use the

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<v S2>same expressions. Um, we've been around each other a lot.

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<v S2>We have the same father and mother, so therefore we

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<v S2>develop those characteristics. This is what God is saying because

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<v S2>you're a child of God and have been born again

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<v S2>of God. Now live like a child of God. If

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<v S2>he is your father, now start living like he's your father.

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<v S2>Start imitating him in what he does and how he

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<v S2>acts and his values and his characteristics. And if you say, well,

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<v S2>it's too hard for me to imagine imitating God because

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<v S2>I just don't know what that means, then it makes

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<v S2>a lot more sense. If you can understand that Jesus

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<v S2>is God, the manifestation of God. And so therefore he says,

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<v S2>be imitators of God, therefore as dearly loved children, and

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<v S2>live a life of love, just as Christ loved us

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<v S2>and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering

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<v S2>and sacrifice. You see, if you want to know how

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<v S2>God would live here on earth, then all you have

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<v S2>to look is at Jesus. Because Jesus is God made man,

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<v S2>manifest in the flesh, living his life here on earth.

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<v S2>That's where we get our little bracelets. Many of you

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<v S2>have seen those bracelets that say w w JD, what

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<v S2>would Jesus do? And it's a little bit that idea

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<v S2>that if you can begin to live like Jesus and

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<v S2>begin to imitate Jesus and what he did and how

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<v S2>he walked and how he talked, then you can begin

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<v S2>to live like God, imitators of God. And Paul says,

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<v S2>be imitators of God, because your children of God, and

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<v S2>live a life where you show concern for other people

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<v S2>just like Jesus did, and who offered the ultimate sacrifice

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<v S2>that raised up to God as a fragrant aroma. And

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<v S2>then he goes on to describe to us, if you're

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<v S2>going to be imitators of God, and if you're going

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<v S2>to really live like children of God, then there's a

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<v S2>few things you need to understand and a few things

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<v S2>you need to change. And so we jump into this passage.

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<v S2>I'm going to begin reading in verse three. If you're

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<v S2>taking notes this morning, write this down. The first thing

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<v S2>that helps us reflect God has to do with identity. Identity.

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<v S2>Remember that your desires and speech should reflect your new

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<v S2>identity and be consistent with your calling, your desires, and

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<v S2>the way you talk. Your speech should be consistent with

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<v S2>the new you. Some of us have a new have

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<v S2>a new us in God, but we still have a

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<v S2>little bit of the old way we talk and a

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<v S2>little bit of the old desires. And what God is

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<v S2>saying is you have a new you, so let the

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<v S2>old leave the old behind and take on the new

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<v S2>you who you are. Look what he says in verse three,

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<v S2>but among you there must not even be a hint

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<v S2>of sexual immorality or any kind of impurity or greed,

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<v S2>because these are improper for God's holy people. Verse four.

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<v S2>Nor should there be obscenity. Foolish talk, coarse, just joking,

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<v S2>which are out of place, but rather giving thanks. So

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<v S2>he says, hey, if you're going to be imitators of God,

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<v S2>there's two things that you need to start working on

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<v S2>in the beginning. One is your desires, and secondly is

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<v S2>your speech. So let's talk first about our desires. He said,

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<v S2>among you there must be no, not even a hint

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<v S2>of sexual immorality. Let's talk about this for a second.

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<v S2>What is sexual immorality? Well, first of all, let me

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<v S2>clarify this. He's not talking about just sex. He's talking

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<v S2>about sexual immorality. How many of you know there's a

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<v S2>difference between sex and sexual immorality? Some people grow up

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<v S2>in a setting where all they've heard is no, no.

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<v S2>Know about sex. Bad, bad, bad about sex. Don't don't,

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<v S2>don't about sex. And you kind of grow up thinking

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<v S2>that it's a bad thing or that it's a dirty thing,

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<v S2>or that it's something that shouldn't, shouldn't, shouldn't be celebrated

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<v S2>or expressed. Let me just go on record here. I've

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<v S2>told you this before. If you've been around for a while,

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<v S2>you know that sex is a good thing. We are

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<v S2>pro sex here at New Life Community Church. Absolutely. 100%

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<v S2>made by God, engineered by God, designed by God to

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<v S2>be celebrated and to be often engaged in. Here at

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<v S2>New Life Community Church in the right setting. Okay, so

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<v S2>I just want you to know that we're pro sex.

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<v S2>Sex is not dirty. Sex is not bad. Sex is

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<v S2>a great thing, a good thing, as long as it's

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<v S2>in the boundaries of how God engineered it to happen

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<v S2>and basically how God engineered it to work is that

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<v S2>when a man and a woman commit themselves to one

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<v S2>another for a lifetime and we call it marriage, engage

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<v S2>in the act of marriage and say, I am committed

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<v S2>to you. You are committed to me. We are in

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<v S2>a monogamous, loving relationship until death do it part. Then

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<v S2>let the party begin. Enjoy it often. Enjoy it as

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<v S2>much as you can. Celebrate it. I know some husbands

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<v S2>that say, I'm going to get that tape. I never

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<v S2>get a tape. Where do I buy that CD? Now

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<v S2>I'm going to get that one. I'm going to get

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<v S2>that one. Um, seriously, I really believe that if if

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<v S2>that that sexual intimacy is something that God engineered and

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<v S2>God knows how it works. And actually, contrary to common myth,

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<v S2>some people. Now, if you look at any TV sitcom,

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<v S2>anytime it portrays a married couple, it's usually they're bored

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<v S2>out of their minds with each other. They're they're unhappy,

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<v S2>it's dysfunctional. And it seems like the people that are

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<v S2>really enjoying their sexual life are the single 20 something

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<v S2>that are out there clubbing, having one night stands and

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<v S2>that's where the action is really happening. But married couples,

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<v S2>it's boring. Nothing's happening. It's, you know, everybody's always got

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<v S2>a headache and, you know, it's always that kind of thing.

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<v S2>But contrary to public opinion, the truth is that in

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<v S2>surveys done among 20 something singles that are living a

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<v S2>party life, sleeping with whoever they want to sleep with,

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<v S2>and monogamous married people that have been married for some time.

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<v S2>They have done surveys, secular and Christian surveys that indicate

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<v S2>that married people that have been married for some time

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<v S2>are actually much more satisfied and enjoying their sexuality than

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<v S2>those that are out there partying and clubbing and going

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<v S2>from place to place. Aha! I bet you never see

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<v S2>that on sitcoms, huh?

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<v S1>This is Bold Steps with pastor Mark Jobe. We're pausing

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<v S1>our message to thank our bold partners right now. Mark,

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<v S1>these are these are friends of this ministry who are

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<v S1>making a sacrificial gift to see this ministry continue.

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<v S2>Yeah. Bold partners. If you don't know what that is,

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<v S2>those are our partners that give monthly to support this ministry. And, uh,

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<v S2>it may be $5 a month. It may be 30, 40,

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<v S2>$50 a month. Whatever it is, we are very grateful

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<v S2>for your monthly donations.

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<v S1>And in return for becoming a bold partner, we want

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<v S1>to offer you some things. First of all, you receive

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<v S1>a bi monthly communication from Mark and exclusive greeting from Mark, actually.

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<v S1>And then there's Mark's book, unstuck. Now let me say

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<v S1>this about the book, Mark, because I read this comment

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<v S1>recently from a friend, and I just want to share

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<v S1>what he shared with us. He said, I just wanted

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<v S1>to reach out to Mark and his ministry, and thank

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<v S1>him so much for his faithfulness in writing this book, unstuck.

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<v S1>He's really helped me realize how stuck I am. I

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<v S1>received this book at a pastor's conference three years ago,

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<v S1>and I kept it because I thought one day I'd

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<v S1>find someone stuck. Little did I know that as I

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<v S2>I want to make sure that we understand what we're

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<v S2>talking about. God is he engineered sex. He created Sex.

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<v S2>The fact that a young man is attracted to a

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<v S2>young woman. Normal. Natural. The fact that a man desires

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<v S2>to see the naked body of a woman. Normal. Natural.

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<v S2>May it be his wife that he desires. That's. That's

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<v S2>normally that's just engineered by God. When God created Adam,

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<v S2>he created Eve. They saw each other and said the

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<v S2>equivalent to wow, you know, great God. God. It was

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<v S2>part of God's design. Now, outside of the parameters of marriage,

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<v S2>when a single is engaging with sexual activity with another single,

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<v S2>it's called fornication. When a married person is engaged with

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<v S2>sexual activity outside of marriage, it's called adultery. And then

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<v S2>there's all kinds of other things in between. The word

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<v S2>here where it says, May there not be even a

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<v S2>hint of immorality, sexual immorality. The word used in the

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<v S2>Greek is the word porneia, which is where we get

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<v S2>the word pornography Nography from so in other. In other words,

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<v S2>what it's saying is there should be not even a

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<v S2>hint of sexual activity outside of the confines of marriage

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<v S2>when it's in marriage. Great. Enjoy it. Don't feel guilty. Listen,

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<v S2>if you're in, if you're in a married relationship right

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<v S2>now and you're not enjoying sexual intimacy and and you're

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<v S2>not having sex together, and that's not happening in your marriage,

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<v S2>you need to get help. Seriously? Because there's something that's

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<v S2>broken down there. There's something that has happened. You've allowed

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<v S2>something wall to break up. You've allowed something to to, uh,

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<v S2>take away from what God engineered it to be. So

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<v S2>get counseling. Figure out what are the barriers that need

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<v S2>to be broken down. But but that's that's part of

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<v S2>God's plan for your marriage. Seriously. It is. It's part

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<v S2>of God's plan for your healthy marriage. However, it needs

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<v S2>to happen within the confines of marriage. Anything outside of

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<v S2>that is strictly forbidden by Scripture. Now, I know that

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<v S2>when I say this, I am going absolutely 100% counterculture

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<v S2>to what exists in our society today, where we live

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<v S2>in a society that by and large accepts the the

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<v S2>culture of friends with benefits more and more. If you

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<v S2>go to a college campus today, if you go down

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<v S2>to UIC, if you go down to northwestern, every college

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<v S2>campus pretty much here in the US, and you talk

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<v S2>to a college kid that's 22 years old, 21 years old,

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<v S2>and you ask, what is the culture that exists in

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<v S2>the campus? Pretty much the culture is this we can

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<v S2>hook up sexually, even though we may. We're not dating,

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<v S2>you know, I can I can give sexual favors to

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<v S2>an individual. Doesn't mean I like them. Doesn't mean we're

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<v S2>boyfriend girlfriend. doesn't mean we're dating. We can give each

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<v S2>other sexual favors. Why? Because it feels good. And then

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<v S2>we can walk away. Don't expect a letter. Don't expect

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<v S2>that we're together. Don't expect that we're somehow involved each other.

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<v S2>And I can do that for this person. I can

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<v S2>do that for another person. It's pretty much the one

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<v S2>night stands, the sexual favors pretty much accepted practice ingrained

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<v S2>into the mainstream of our culture at a college level,

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<v S2>at a high school level. And unfortunately, now more and

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<v S2>more at a junior high level. It's the culture. It's accepted.

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<v S2>It's not like our society is much different than the

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<v S2>society that Paul was talking to. Paul was talking to

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<v S2>the Ephesians in Ephesus. There was a big temple to Diana,

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<v S2>the god of fertility. Part of the practice of the

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<v S2>god of fertility is that there were priestesses in the

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<v S2>temple of Diana. And in order to go and engage

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<v S2>in a sexual experience in the temple of Diana, people

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<v S2>would get drunk and basically have orgies with the priestesses

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<v S2>of the Temple of Diana. And so sexual immorality and

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<v S2>sexual playing around was rampant in the society that Paul

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<v S2>was talking about as well. So it was counter the

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<v S2>culture for Paul to say, now that you are children

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<v S2>of God, there shouldn't even be a hint of sexual

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<v S2>immorality among you or of any kind of impurity. Impurity

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<v S2>has to do with anything. It's related to sexuality, but

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<v S2>it could have to do with pornography. It could have

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<v S2>to do with fantasizing. It could have to be with

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<v S2>X-rated movies. It could have to be with it could

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<v S2>have to do with, uh, the latest, uh, Sports Illustrated

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<v S2>Swimsuit edition. It could have to do with a lot

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<v S2>of issues out there that have to do with sexuality

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<v S2>out there. So not even a hint of sexual immorality

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<v S2>or any kind of impurity. And he says, or greed,

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<v S2>you say, well, what does greed have to do with it? Well,

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<v S2>greed is it's the word covetousness. Covetousness means I desire

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<v S2>something that doesn't belong to me, that I can't have.

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<v S2>But I still want it, even though it's not legitimate

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<v S2>for me to have it. So you could be greedy

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<v S2>towards money or towards things. You could see someone driving

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<v S2>a car that's nicer than your car and say, man,

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<v S2>why does he get to have that car? I want

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<v S2>that car. I should have that car. And I'm kind

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<v S2>of frustrated that he's got it and I don't. But

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<v S2>it could also have to do with, um, it could

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<v S2>have to do with sexuality. It could have to do

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<v S2>with desiring another man's wife or desiring someone that's illegitimate

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<v S2>for you to have. But you desire and covet something

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<v S2>that is illegitimate for you to possess. And so basically

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<v S2>what Paul says is, I know you live in a

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<v S2>culture that is a sex saturated culture. We live in

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<v S2>that kind of society. And the fact that people live together,

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<v S2>the fact that people hook up together, the fact that

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<v S2>people have multiple partners when they're in their 20s or 30s,

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<v S2>it's pretty much just accepted by society. It's just the

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<v S2>way it is. It's just kind of normal, right? Well,

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<v S2>God says it may be normal for the world out there,

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<v S2>but hey, you are the people of God. And it

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<v S2>may be normal for society at large, but because you

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<v S2>are children of God, it's not normal for you because

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<v S2>you live by different standards.

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<v S1>Well, if you had to give an assessment, how different

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<v S1>are your values from the world around you? That's the

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<v S1>takeaway today from a message titled Choosing to Walk in

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<v S1>the light from Mark Jobe, and you're listening to Bold Steps. Well,

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<v S1>we have a special bold step gift available for our

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<v S1>listeners a book titled envy A Big Problem You Didn't

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<v S1>Know You Had written by our guest, Mark. His name

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<v S1>is pastor Mike Fabares.

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<v S3>Yeah. And by the way, many of you are familiar

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<v S3>with pastor Mike because he's on the radio. He's written

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<v S3>several books. He's a graduate from Moody Bible Institute and

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<v S3>actually on the board of directors as well. And so

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<v S3>love pastor Mike and his ministry. I was thinking about

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<v S3>this topic of envy and how oftentimes we we just

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<v S3>don't consider ourselves envious. Pastor Mike, if you were to

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<v S3>help someone self-diagnose whether they have envy, what would you

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<v S3>point to? What should they be looking for?

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<v S4>Well, I would start by saying, are there any people

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<v S4>in your everyday world that you just find yourself erring

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<v S4>on the side of being critical when you really shouldn't

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<v S4>be and you think, well, why am I not happy

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<v S4>applauding their success, right? This is hard, but we need

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<v S4>to look at the people that we are critical of.

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<v S4>And if you look hard enough, you often find it's

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<v S4>because I'm really envious of what they get that I

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<v S4>don't have what they've accomplished, that I haven't been able

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<v S4>to accomplish, that they make so much money, so much

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<v S4>more money than I make. There's a lot of reasons

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<v S4>that we, um, just spring into gossip and criticism and

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<v S4>just talking behind people's back in a negative way. And

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<v S4>usually we can start to realize what's happened is something

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<v S4>really between me and God. It's really not between me

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<v S4>and them.

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<v S1>Pastor Mike, are envy and jealousy interchangeable?

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<v S4>Not really. There's a kind of jealousy that's appropriate in

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<v S4>the Bible, right? God says he's a jealous God in

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<v S4>Exodus 34. There's a time for you right to rightly

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<v S4>in your marriage. Be jealous if there's something threatening that relationship.

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<v S4>But envy is always seen as something wrong in Scripture,

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<v S4>and we're never to envy anyone. And what envy is,

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<v S4>is taking a jealous feeling when I'd have no right

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<v S4>to feel jealous. And now I start to have a

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<v S4>a bitterness toward that person for accomplishing or achieving or

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<v S4>securing something that I haven't been able to. And Jesus

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<v S4>tells parables about this. You've got to be careful in

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<v S4>your own heart to guard your heart against this kind

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<v S4>of envy, because it is different than jealousy, because sometimes

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<v S4>jealousy can be appropriate.

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<v S2>That's great. So there you have it, pastor Mike Fabares.

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<v S2>We would love to get this book into your hand.

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<v S2>It's called a Big problem. You didn't know you had envy.

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<v S2>Thank you, pastor Mike.

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