1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,480 S1: Hi friends, thanks so much for downloading this podcast and 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,480 S1: I hope truly that you will hear something that will encourage, edify, 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,160 S1: equip and enlighten you to get out there and influence 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:10,880 S1: and occupy until he comes. And on that note, may 5 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:12,760 S1: I take just a few moments here to describe this 6 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,800 S1: month's truth tool? It's by pastor Jack Hibbs. He's written 7 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,599 S1: the book called Called to Take a Bold Stand. 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The president won a pledge. 41 00:01:45,209 --> 00:01:47,250 S4: Americans worshiping government over God. 42 00:01:47,490 --> 00:01:50,970 S3: Extremely rare safety move by a 17 years. 43 00:01:50,970 --> 00:01:53,050 S4: The Palestinians and Israelis negotiated. 44 00:01:53,250 --> 00:01:54,650 S5: Today is not. 45 00:02:08,669 --> 00:02:11,270 S1: Hi, friends. Welcome to In the Market with Janet partial. 46 00:02:11,270 --> 00:02:13,710 S1: Thank you so much for choosing to spend the hour 47 00:02:13,710 --> 00:02:16,709 S1: with me. We're going to have a wonderful conversation about 48 00:02:16,710 --> 00:02:19,630 S1: what it means to let your light so shine before men, 49 00:02:19,669 --> 00:02:22,150 S1: what it means to be an ambassador for Christ, what 50 00:02:22,150 --> 00:02:25,989 S1: it means to be a living epistle. Henry Blackaby said 51 00:02:25,990 --> 00:02:28,870 S1: the Christian needs to walk in peace, so no matter 52 00:02:28,870 --> 00:02:32,310 S1: what happens, they will be able to bear witness to 53 00:02:32,350 --> 00:02:35,230 S1: a watching world. Well, to that end, let me pick 54 00:02:35,230 --> 00:02:37,510 S1: up on what Blackaby just said, because that's so insightful. 55 00:02:37,510 --> 00:02:40,110 S1: What happens if you happen to be a person filled 56 00:02:40,110 --> 00:02:42,710 S1: with anxiety that you're worried, you're worried you're going to 57 00:02:42,710 --> 00:02:45,630 S1: lose your husband and your child. You're worried because the 58 00:02:45,630 --> 00:02:48,230 S1: headlines of the day are filled with anxiety and the 59 00:02:48,230 --> 00:02:52,389 S1: unknown threats actually to life and limb. What happens if 60 00:02:52,430 --> 00:02:56,230 S1: you come from a very strong religious background that identifies 61 00:02:56,230 --> 00:02:59,560 S1: you and your family and has for generations, and that 62 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,160 S1: you if you moved away from who you were or 63 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,200 S1: who you thought you were, and you stepped into a 64 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,800 S1: personal relationship with Jesus Christ, that would radically change everything 65 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,120 S1: about who you are and how you see the world 66 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,119 S1: around you. Would you be willing to do that? Well, 67 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,040 S1: you're going to hear a story this hour that's going 68 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,560 S1: to show you the power of a witness. It's going 69 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,320 S1: to show you also about how one little Bible verse 70 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,960 S1: can make a dramatic change, how a conversation in a 71 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:28,520 S1: hallway can radically change somebody's eternal destiny, to be absent 72 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,800 S1: from the body and present with the Lord because somebody 73 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,720 S1: was just that. They dared to bear witness to a 74 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,040 S1: watching world. We're going to spend the hour with Kare Shine. 75 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,680 S1: Kare is an author, a speaker, and an award winning 76 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,760 S1: elementary school teacher, and she joins us today because she 77 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,600 S1: has written the book The Hallway Miracle The Prayer that 78 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,200 S1: Opened a Jewish Heart to Jesus. Kare, the warmest of welcomes. 79 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,160 S1: I'm so glad you're here. Just right out of the 80 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,520 S1: gate and full transparency. I loved your book and I 81 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,600 S1: have to tell you, as I was reading it, somebody 82 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,570 S1: needs to pick this up and they need to turn 83 00:03:57,570 --> 00:04:00,290 S1: it into a movie. It read like I was watching 84 00:04:00,290 --> 00:04:02,130 S1: a movie, so I hope that happens someday. 85 00:04:02,610 --> 00:04:04,930 S6: Oh, Janet, thank you so much. I just am so 86 00:04:04,930 --> 00:04:07,369 S6: excited to be here with you and you just segwayed 87 00:04:07,370 --> 00:04:10,010 S6: that in so beautifully and, um, yeah, just an honor 88 00:04:10,010 --> 00:04:11,570 S6: to be here. And I look forward to see what 89 00:04:11,610 --> 00:04:13,650 S6: God will do with this, this time for your listeners. 90 00:04:13,970 --> 00:04:16,210 S1: Amen. I couldn't agree more. So let me start with 91 00:04:16,210 --> 00:04:17,890 S1: your background. Tell me what it's like growing up in 92 00:04:17,890 --> 00:04:18,810 S1: a Jewish family. 93 00:04:19,490 --> 00:04:24,130 S6: Oh. It's wonderful. It was absolutely wonderful. I grew up 94 00:04:24,130 --> 00:04:28,089 S6: just sitting at the feet of rabbis and in synagogues, 95 00:04:28,089 --> 00:04:31,610 S6: surrounded by beautiful traditions and hearing the words of the 96 00:04:31,610 --> 00:04:36,250 S6: Shema and watching the bema as the Torah was opened. 97 00:04:36,650 --> 00:04:38,410 S6: And they would walk it around and we would kiss 98 00:04:38,410 --> 00:04:40,610 S6: our fingers to touch it. And I had a real 99 00:04:40,610 --> 00:04:46,010 S6: sense of community and culture and heritage growing up that way. 100 00:04:46,330 --> 00:04:51,370 S6: But unfortunately, we didn't live in a Jewish community, which 101 00:04:51,370 --> 00:04:54,370 S6: sets the stage for the rest of the story. 102 00:04:54,490 --> 00:04:56,670 S1: So much of it let me linger in the synagogue 103 00:04:56,710 --> 00:04:59,070 S1: a little bit longer. So, sure, I love the way 104 00:04:59,070 --> 00:05:01,229 S1: you just described that. And I want people to understand 105 00:05:01,230 --> 00:05:04,790 S1: that that Jewishness is not only a religion, it's an ethnicity, 106 00:05:04,790 --> 00:05:06,790 S1: and it is a definer of who you are. And 107 00:05:06,790 --> 00:05:10,390 S1: people need to understand that. So when you talked about, um, 108 00:05:11,310 --> 00:05:13,589 S1: opening up the scroll and listening to what the rabbis 109 00:05:13,589 --> 00:05:15,510 S1: had to say, and you didn't even mention the cantor, 110 00:05:15,510 --> 00:05:16,870 S1: which I think is one of the best parts of 111 00:05:16,870 --> 00:05:19,469 S1: the services it is. 112 00:05:19,510 --> 00:05:21,790 S6: There's nothing like those voices. They're so rich. 113 00:05:21,830 --> 00:05:22,990 S7: And isn't that the truth? 114 00:05:23,790 --> 00:05:24,589 S6: Yeah. Mhm. 115 00:05:24,790 --> 00:05:27,670 S1: Wonderful. So did you in the midst of all of that, 116 00:05:27,710 --> 00:05:30,190 S1: did you sense God. I mean you talked about the 117 00:05:30,190 --> 00:05:32,910 S1: Shema but did you sense that God was real and 118 00:05:32,910 --> 00:05:36,030 S1: that somehow you were connected with him or was God there? 119 00:05:36,390 --> 00:05:38,910 S1: But he was so there that he was far away? 120 00:05:38,910 --> 00:05:40,830 S1: In other words, there's two primary schools of thought on 121 00:05:40,830 --> 00:05:43,710 S1: a lot of Judaism today, which is, um, the idea 122 00:05:43,710 --> 00:05:47,110 S1: of God being close to you is anathema. The idea 123 00:05:47,110 --> 00:05:50,470 S1: that God is far away is kind of redundant and useless, 124 00:05:50,470 --> 00:05:53,190 S1: because if you pick up on the kabbalism, he's in 125 00:05:53,230 --> 00:05:55,390 S1: you already, so you don't really need him. So where 126 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,599 S1: were you personally in the midst of this growing up? 127 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,480 S6: As a as a young child, I think I always 128 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,240 S6: had a sense that God's hand was over my life. 129 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:08,400 S6: There there was a firm sense for me that I had, um, 130 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,120 S6: I had this ABBA father. I had, fortunately, a wonderful 131 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,239 S6: earthly father as well, who was in the military. Um, 132 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,640 S6: and then I had this heavenly, um, I wouldn't say 133 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,839 S6: heavenly because at that, at that time, probably that wasn't 134 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,680 S6: a word I would use. But I knew that there 135 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,120 S6: was something bigger over my life, and it was a 136 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,160 S6: part of what we did. It was a part of 137 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,919 S6: our culture and our heritage and something that I leaned into. 138 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,839 S6: And I remember going to sleepaway camp early on as 139 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,840 S6: a child and kind of sitting under the stars with 140 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:44,159 S6: my my Jewish camper friends and singing pieces, peaceful songs. Oh, 141 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:49,800 S6: say shalom and and feeling, feeling that there was something there. 142 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,279 S6: So I've always had a sense that God was a 143 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:53,920 S6: part of my life. Definitely. 144 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,890 S1: Yeah. And it would make sense, because it goes to 145 00:06:56,930 --> 00:06:59,250 S1: Blaise Pascal's idea that there resides in the heart of 146 00:06:59,250 --> 00:07:02,210 S1: every man, a God shaped void, and only a personal 147 00:07:02,210 --> 00:07:04,650 S1: relationship with him can fill it. So that doesn't surprise me. 148 00:07:04,650 --> 00:07:07,050 S1: So he was there, but he wasn't as intimate as 149 00:07:07,050 --> 00:07:08,850 S1: you wanted him to be. Then you said something else 150 00:07:08,850 --> 00:07:11,210 S1: that I think is important. And boy oh boy, given 151 00:07:11,210 --> 00:07:14,970 S1: the headlines of the day and post January 7th, 2023, 152 00:07:15,450 --> 00:07:17,530 S1: you know, you would have thought if the clearing call 153 00:07:17,530 --> 00:07:20,490 S1: was never again after the camps in the World War 154 00:07:20,490 --> 00:07:24,170 S1: two that it would be literally never again, that that 155 00:07:24,170 --> 00:07:26,850 S1: kind of demonic abomination would stop and we'd never see 156 00:07:26,890 --> 00:07:30,170 S1: it again. And after October 7th, 2023, I would have 157 00:07:30,170 --> 00:07:32,369 S1: thought the world would have rallied and said, yes, it's 158 00:07:32,370 --> 00:07:35,490 S1: happening again. Let's immediately speak against it. And instead it 159 00:07:35,490 --> 00:07:38,650 S1: was almost like this demonic release where all of a 160 00:07:38,650 --> 00:07:42,810 S1: sudden now anti-Semitism has spiked in the most unbelievable ways, 161 00:07:42,810 --> 00:07:46,050 S1: to the point where we're seeing things like it was 1939, 162 00:07:46,050 --> 00:07:48,490 S1: in Germany. I mean, you can't show your Judaism if 163 00:07:48,490 --> 00:07:51,490 S1: you're on the campus of Columbia University, you better not 164 00:07:51,530 --> 00:07:54,100 S1: wear anything outside that gives an indication of what you 165 00:07:54,100 --> 00:07:57,260 S1: believe inside. We've got people shot in the streets of D.C., 166 00:07:57,300 --> 00:07:59,100 S1: as you and I both know, living in this neck 167 00:07:59,100 --> 00:08:02,460 S1: of the woods. And now it's at this unconscionable rate. 168 00:08:02,940 --> 00:08:05,020 S1: It's stunning to me. One of the things because you're 169 00:08:05,020 --> 00:08:06,460 S1: talking to. Please go ahead. 170 00:08:06,740 --> 00:08:07,900 S6: Go ahead. I was just going to say, as you 171 00:08:07,900 --> 00:08:09,700 S6: were saying, that I think that was one of the 172 00:08:09,700 --> 00:08:15,220 S6: reasons I wanted to write this story, because anti-Semitism is 173 00:08:15,260 --> 00:08:17,500 S6: is on the rise for so many of us. I 174 00:08:17,540 --> 00:08:21,700 S6: felt this need to try and be brave. It's interesting. Obviously, 175 00:08:21,740 --> 00:08:25,500 S6: today is Purim and we celebrate the bravery of Esther. 176 00:08:25,500 --> 00:08:28,620 S6: And I held on to this story for so long, 177 00:08:28,780 --> 00:08:31,460 S6: Janet and I, I had so many people saying, Carrie, 178 00:08:31,500 --> 00:08:34,540 S6: you have to write this story because the world needs 179 00:08:34,540 --> 00:08:38,340 S6: to understand that we are the same people, it is 180 00:08:38,340 --> 00:08:41,500 S6: the same God, and we have to build bridges with 181 00:08:41,500 --> 00:08:45,699 S6: one another in order to kind of bridge this chasm 182 00:08:45,980 --> 00:08:50,100 S6: that we have between us. So there's an understanding that 183 00:08:50,100 --> 00:08:53,840 S6: we can be a united people and there's there's just 184 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,160 S6: no reason for us to treat one another with disdain 185 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,200 S6: or misunderstanding when we come from the same, the same God. 186 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,200 S1: I'm so glad you went to that spot. And if 187 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:04,920 S1: I may, Karen, want to pick it up exactly at 188 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,120 S1: that point on the other side. And another reason why 189 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,360 S1: I think that your story is so powerful and so 190 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,760 S1: timely and necessary. Speaking of Esther, because I think this 191 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,400 S1: is a book that's been called for such a time 192 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,559 S1: as this. It really and truly helps us, as followers 193 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,880 S1: of Yeshua, to understand that when we are anti-Semitic and 194 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,439 S1: our actions, that becomes a profound encumbrance to the proclamation 195 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,280 S1: of the gospel, and that should burden every single one 196 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,400 S1: of us. We're just getting started with Caroline. She's got 197 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,760 S1: a brand new book out. I couldn't put it down. 198 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,679 S1: I literally read it cover to cover. It's called the 199 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,640 S1: Hallway miracle, the prayer that opened a Jewish heart to Jesus. 200 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:50,079 S1: And there's a lot to this story. Be back. As 201 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,930 S1: culture continues to stumble into darkness. It's easy to lose 202 00:09:52,929 --> 00:09:55,050 S1: heart and grow weary in your faith. And that's why 203 00:09:55,050 --> 00:09:57,410 S1: I've chosen Called to Take a Bold Stand by pastor 204 00:09:57,410 --> 00:09:59,770 S1: Jack Hibbs as this month's truth tool. Learn how to 205 00:09:59,770 --> 00:10:02,850 S1: represent Christ courageously in a hurting world. As for your 206 00:10:02,850 --> 00:10:04,770 S1: copy of Call to Take a Bold Stand, when you 207 00:10:04,770 --> 00:10:06,650 S1: give a gift of any amount to in the market, 208 00:10:06,650 --> 00:10:11,050 S1: call 877 Janet 58. That's 877 Janet 58 or go 209 00:10:11,050 --> 00:10:16,450 S1: to in the market with Janet Parshall. We are spending 210 00:10:16,450 --> 00:10:19,050 S1: the hour with Kara Shine, who's written a wonderful new 211 00:10:19,050 --> 00:10:22,050 S1: book called The Hallway Miracle, The Prayer that Opened a 212 00:10:22,050 --> 00:10:24,650 S1: Jewish heart to Jesus. So I want to go back 213 00:10:24,690 --> 00:10:27,010 S1: again so we can understand what it's like to be 214 00:10:27,010 --> 00:10:29,770 S1: on the receiving end of anti-Semitism. We talk a lot 215 00:10:29,770 --> 00:10:32,890 S1: about that here on this program. Kara. I'm I'm rather 216 00:10:32,890 --> 00:10:34,290 S1: passionate about this subject. 217 00:10:34,370 --> 00:10:35,090 S6: I know you are. 218 00:10:35,130 --> 00:10:35,930 S7: I know you are. 219 00:10:36,130 --> 00:10:38,970 S1: And this is it's it's demonic. I'll use the word 220 00:10:38,970 --> 00:10:40,610 S1: over and over again. And when you think about it, 221 00:10:40,610 --> 00:10:43,050 S1: I'm being spiritually accurate. I mean biblically accurate when you 222 00:10:43,050 --> 00:10:46,690 S1: understand that this this, the satanic spirit against the Jewish 223 00:10:46,690 --> 00:10:48,929 S1: people is just it's ancient. It's old. In fact, you 224 00:10:48,929 --> 00:10:51,340 S1: just talked about Purim, so I wrote the word Hayman 225 00:10:51,380 --> 00:10:52,980 S1: on the bottom of my shoe and stamped it a 226 00:10:52,980 --> 00:10:54,780 S1: bunch of times today, so I'm feeling better. 227 00:10:54,820 --> 00:10:57,420 S6: I love that you need a you need a grogger. 228 00:10:57,460 --> 00:10:59,940 S6: You just need a grogger to. Whenever we say his 229 00:10:59,940 --> 00:11:01,180 S6: name so we can, we can. 230 00:11:01,220 --> 00:11:02,580 S1: Twist it around. Make the noise. 231 00:11:02,980 --> 00:11:07,020 S6: That's right, that's right. I love that. Solidarity with our souls. 232 00:11:07,220 --> 00:11:07,620 S1: And the. 233 00:11:07,660 --> 00:11:09,980 S6: Soul of our. On the soles of our feet. We 234 00:11:09,980 --> 00:11:13,179 S6: won't let our souls, our souls do anything wrong. That's right. 235 00:11:13,460 --> 00:11:17,420 S1: That's exactly right. So, um, this idea that it's come 236 00:11:17,420 --> 00:11:19,580 S1: up again, I think is so horrific, and I want 237 00:11:19,580 --> 00:11:21,140 S1: people to understand what it's like to be on the 238 00:11:21,140 --> 00:11:24,380 S1: receiving end, so I stand. I mean, I know beyond 239 00:11:24,380 --> 00:11:26,340 S1: a shadow of a doubt that I have been grafted on. 240 00:11:26,380 --> 00:11:29,180 S1: You are the root of Jesse. Salvation came by way 241 00:11:29,179 --> 00:11:32,020 S1: of the Jews. God. And I say this a thousand times, 242 00:11:32,020 --> 00:11:34,220 S1: but I think it bears repeating a thousand times. He 243 00:11:34,220 --> 00:11:37,179 S1: could have chosen the picks the Normans, the Saxons, the Celts. 244 00:11:37,179 --> 00:11:39,500 S1: He didn't. He chose the Jewish people. If you have 245 00:11:39,500 --> 00:11:41,380 S1: a problem with it and you know Christ as your Savior, 246 00:11:41,380 --> 00:11:42,900 S1: when you get to heaven and you get in line, 247 00:11:42,900 --> 00:11:45,060 S1: you can ask God why he chose the chosen people 248 00:11:45,059 --> 00:11:47,819 S1: for me. It's enough that he did. Period. End of statement. 249 00:11:47,860 --> 00:11:50,000 S1: They've played a significant role in the past. They're there 250 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,360 S1: playing a significant role in present history, and they will 251 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,160 S1: play a significant role in the future history. And no 252 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,680 S1: gopher is going to change my mind about that or podcasters. 253 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,720 S1: So I just want you to know that if you're 254 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,040 S1: grounded in the Word of God, you're unashamed about your 255 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,440 S1: position on this. So what is it like to be 256 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,360 S1: on the receiving end? Because unless you're wearing a Star 257 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,800 S1: of David, unless you're wearing a yarmulke, unless you're wearing 258 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:16,120 S1: some outside manifestation of your Judaism on the inside, where 259 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,920 S1: how does that hatred manifest itself? Does the word get 260 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,480 S1: out that you might be Jewish? Tell me about your experience. 261 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,880 S6: Sure. So growing up, my parents, my dad was military. 262 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:27,840 S6: They were born and raised in New York. And then 263 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,040 S6: once he got into the military, he found himself transferred 264 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,120 S6: to a small town in southwest Ohio. And they had 265 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,120 S6: to make a decision. Do we pick a neighborhood that's 266 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,280 S6: close to the base or close to the synagogue? And 267 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:45,520 S6: they decided to pick something closer to home, and that 268 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,840 S6: meant the nearest synagogue was 45 minutes away. And it 269 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,329 S6: was very clear from the beginning in our Christian community 270 00:12:52,330 --> 00:12:55,130 S6: that we were the only Jews. Uh, it was it 271 00:12:55,130 --> 00:12:58,210 S6: was obvious to everyone. It was something that we wore 272 00:12:58,610 --> 00:13:01,970 S6: every day on us just because we, you know, most 273 00:13:01,970 --> 00:13:03,970 S6: of the other people in our community were blonde hair, 274 00:13:03,970 --> 00:13:07,170 S6: blue eyed, and we just looked very ethnic. I look ethnic, 275 00:13:07,210 --> 00:13:09,890 S6: I'm proud of my ethnicity. That's just what it was. 276 00:13:10,170 --> 00:13:14,210 S6: And unfortunately, even though I know that there were some beautiful, 277 00:13:14,210 --> 00:13:17,969 S6: wonderful Christians in our midst on the school bus, when 278 00:13:17,970 --> 00:13:22,290 S6: my brother and I were unprotected by teachers or parents, we, 279 00:13:22,450 --> 00:13:24,449 S6: the Christians that were the loudest in our, in our, 280 00:13:24,490 --> 00:13:27,090 S6: in our world were also the cruelest. So at the 281 00:13:27,090 --> 00:13:29,410 S6: age of seven, eight years old, I'm on the bus 282 00:13:29,410 --> 00:13:32,490 S6: and a a Christian boy walked past me. He grabbed 283 00:13:32,490 --> 00:13:35,130 S6: a handful of my hair and and then yelled to 284 00:13:35,170 --> 00:13:38,490 S6: the bus, checked her for horns. It's all safe and 285 00:13:38,530 --> 00:13:42,410 S6: I'm just a child. At this time I heard things like, um, 286 00:13:42,410 --> 00:13:44,690 S6: you know, hope you have shorts and short sleeves because 287 00:13:44,690 --> 00:13:47,970 S6: you're going to be burning in hell where you're going. And. 288 00:13:47,970 --> 00:13:50,140 S6: And then I had another child say something to me 289 00:13:50,140 --> 00:13:53,580 S6: along the lines of your parents must be ignorant since 290 00:13:53,580 --> 00:13:56,140 S6: they don't believe in Jesus Christ. And she would she 291 00:13:56,140 --> 00:13:58,740 S6: would hiss the word Jesus Christ at me. And it 292 00:13:58,740 --> 00:14:01,460 S6: just sounded so ugly coming out of her mouth. And 293 00:14:01,460 --> 00:14:05,260 S6: it was really hard for me to reconcile what they 294 00:14:05,260 --> 00:14:08,460 S6: were saying about Jesus, because I remembered one day in 295 00:14:08,460 --> 00:14:12,420 S6: synagogue on Sunday school, somebody asked the rabbi about who 296 00:14:12,420 --> 00:14:15,020 S6: Jesus was, and I remember it like it was yesterday. 297 00:14:15,020 --> 00:14:18,900 S6: This rabbi paused, and he was a trusted, beloved teacher 298 00:14:18,900 --> 00:14:21,380 S6: for me. And he paused and he just smiled. And 299 00:14:21,380 --> 00:14:25,460 S6: he said, Jesus was a wonderful rabbi who should be respected. 300 00:14:25,460 --> 00:14:27,700 S6: And he gave us the golden rule do unto others 301 00:14:27,700 --> 00:14:30,460 S6: as you would have them do unto you. So I 302 00:14:30,500 --> 00:14:34,140 S6: couldn't reconcile what these kids were saying on the bus 303 00:14:34,340 --> 00:14:37,660 S6: to what I had heard. So I just, I decided, okay, well, 304 00:14:37,660 --> 00:14:40,980 S6: I guess Jesus is not for me. And and worse yet, 305 00:14:40,980 --> 00:14:43,620 S6: I spent 30 years thinking Jesus wanted nothing to do 306 00:14:43,740 --> 00:14:44,739 S6: with me either. 307 00:14:45,380 --> 00:14:48,640 S1: Wow. Well, you know, I'm so glad that you're transparent 308 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,200 S1: and open about what you experienced because again, it's it's 309 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,200 S1: the subject now of podcasters broadcast. But I don't think 310 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,360 S1: very often we hear from someone who said, look, I'm 311 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,640 S1: downstream of that. I have been the recipient of that 312 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,000 S1: kind of hatred. And I want to go back particularly 313 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,920 S1: to the idea. Look, I checked and there's no horns. 314 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:09,000 S1: That goes back hundreds and hundreds of years. Uh, you know, 315 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,800 S1: and the blood libel against the Jewish people is just 316 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:16,040 S1: absolutely unconscionable to me. So when that happened, I want 317 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,520 S1: to know your reaction. First of all, it was terribly wounding, 318 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,200 S1: and it gave you a choice. Either you were going 319 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,000 S1: to hide your Judaism, or you were just going to 320 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,720 S1: just have a stiff upper lip and, uh, keep calm 321 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,280 S1: and carry on. And then I wonder what you thought 322 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,960 S1: of Christians writ large, if that was the reaction of 323 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,160 S1: so many people, particularly when they brought Jesus names, Jesus's 324 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,640 S1: name up when they were acting in an unbiblical way. 325 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,840 S6: Right. Well, there was there was no hiding from it. Right? 326 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:40,920 S6: I would I would have never done that. And we 327 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,760 S6: weren't taught to do that. So my mother actually decided 328 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,450 S6: she was going to do what she could to help 329 00:15:47,450 --> 00:15:49,610 S6: protect us. And she she went up to the elementary 330 00:15:49,610 --> 00:15:52,530 S6: school and met with the principal and said, hey, what 331 00:15:52,530 --> 00:15:54,930 S6: can we do to protect the kids from anti-Semitism? And 332 00:15:54,930 --> 00:15:57,690 S6: they had this wonderful idea that she could come into 333 00:15:57,690 --> 00:16:01,490 S6: the school on Hanukkah and throw our classmates a Hanukkah party, 334 00:16:01,490 --> 00:16:04,930 S6: and she would bring her her skillet and make potato 335 00:16:04,930 --> 00:16:07,050 S6: latkes and fry them up for us. And we play 336 00:16:07,050 --> 00:16:10,170 S6: the dreidel game. And on that day, it was a 337 00:16:10,170 --> 00:16:13,850 S6: wonderful thing, and it felt like we were accepted. But 338 00:16:13,850 --> 00:16:18,570 S6: there was always this sense of unease around everything else. 339 00:16:18,890 --> 00:16:22,410 S6: And it felt it was. It was unusual to be 340 00:16:22,450 --> 00:16:25,490 S6: able to feel on any given day that it was 341 00:16:25,490 --> 00:16:28,010 S6: okay just to be who we were on Passover. We 342 00:16:28,010 --> 00:16:30,530 S6: would bring, you know, matzo crackers with peanut butter and 343 00:16:30,530 --> 00:16:32,490 S6: jelly and sit in the cafeteria while the rest of 344 00:16:32,490 --> 00:16:35,890 S6: the kids had baloney on Wonder Bread. So there was 345 00:16:35,890 --> 00:16:39,210 S6: no hiding who we were. And I think in some 346 00:16:39,210 --> 00:16:43,810 S6: ways it set up this beautiful story that God allowed 347 00:16:43,810 --> 00:16:46,540 S6: in my life. 30 years later, I think about like 348 00:16:46,580 --> 00:16:50,900 S6: the verse from Genesis 5020 when we see Joseph reconciled 349 00:16:50,900 --> 00:16:53,700 S6: with his brothers, who have hurt him so desperately and 350 00:16:53,700 --> 00:16:57,100 S6: thrown him into slavery, and then at God's will, he 351 00:16:57,100 --> 00:16:59,860 S6: just happens to be in a position of power to 352 00:16:59,900 --> 00:17:02,140 S6: save the entire nation and his family. And he says 353 00:17:02,140 --> 00:17:06,540 S6: in Genesis 5020, you intended to harm me, but God 354 00:17:06,900 --> 00:17:10,100 S6: intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done. 355 00:17:10,100 --> 00:17:11,940 S6: And that's what happened with the bullying. 356 00:17:12,260 --> 00:17:13,139 S3: Wow. Wow. 357 00:17:13,420 --> 00:17:16,020 S1: All part of Caroline's story. And it's all in her book, 358 00:17:16,020 --> 00:17:18,980 S1: The Hallway Miracle. The prayer that opened a Jewish heart 359 00:17:18,980 --> 00:17:21,220 S1: to Jesus. Now we're going to fast forward a little bit. 360 00:17:21,260 --> 00:17:23,500 S1: And boy, did I feel an affinity with Kara when 361 00:17:23,500 --> 00:17:26,340 S1: I was reading this part. Everything changed in the fall 362 00:17:26,340 --> 00:17:29,500 S1: of 2002. You heard it on the national news. We 363 00:17:29,540 --> 00:17:56,470 S1: were living it more after this. We're talking to Cara Shine, 364 00:17:56,470 --> 00:17:59,149 S1: who's an author, a speaker, and an award winning elementary 365 00:17:59,150 --> 00:18:02,389 S1: school teacher who's the author of The Hallway Miracle, The 366 00:18:02,390 --> 00:18:05,229 S1: Prayer that Opened a Jewish heart to Jesus. So let 367 00:18:05,230 --> 00:18:06,910 S1: me just fast forward a little bit to this. You 368 00:18:06,950 --> 00:18:08,830 S1: fall in love with the love of your life, and 369 00:18:08,830 --> 00:18:11,310 S1: clearly you are madly in love with your husband. The 370 00:18:11,310 --> 00:18:13,470 S1: way you write about Jeff in the book is fabulous. 371 00:18:13,790 --> 00:18:14,590 S1: The Lord bless you. 372 00:18:14,590 --> 00:18:15,629 S6: Happy to hear you say that. 373 00:18:16,190 --> 00:18:19,950 S1: It's true. I thought, this guy sounds fabulous and your 374 00:18:19,950 --> 00:18:22,510 S1: Lord blesses you with a precious little girl named Emma. 375 00:18:22,670 --> 00:18:25,470 S1: And you're a teacher, and it's clear that you absolutely 376 00:18:25,470 --> 00:18:28,790 S1: love teaching and you love being in a classroom and 377 00:18:28,950 --> 00:18:33,109 S1: teaching kids. Um, your husband was from West Virginia. You were, 378 00:18:33,150 --> 00:18:36,190 S1: as you alluded to, Ohio before Ohio State. You grad 379 00:18:36,750 --> 00:18:38,750 S1: tells me where your heart is for football and will 380 00:18:38,750 --> 00:18:40,149 S1: never change, I'm quite sure. 381 00:18:40,190 --> 00:18:42,910 S6: No, no, I'm a Buckeye through and through. That's true. 382 00:18:43,230 --> 00:18:45,330 S1: So we won't say the name of Michigan at all. 383 00:18:45,330 --> 00:18:46,609 S1: I promise we won't bring that up. 384 00:18:46,650 --> 00:18:49,730 S6: Funny, I have, I've met so many wonderful Christians on 385 00:18:49,730 --> 00:18:51,810 S6: my journey that just happen to be from Michigan, so 386 00:18:51,810 --> 00:18:53,369 S6: I'm having to rethink my stance. 387 00:18:54,609 --> 00:18:57,770 S1: There you go. I'm glad to hear that. So tell me, 388 00:18:57,810 --> 00:18:59,970 S1: I want our friends and Kara, I'm telling you, I 389 00:18:59,970 --> 00:19:03,010 S1: don't know if people didn't live this, um, if they 390 00:19:03,010 --> 00:19:06,250 S1: understood what this was like, it made the national news. 391 00:19:06,250 --> 00:19:08,490 S1: But for those of you who weren't living with this 392 00:19:08,490 --> 00:19:12,410 S1: unknown terror, it was unbelievable. So talk to us just 393 00:19:12,410 --> 00:19:14,850 S1: generally before we get into the particulars for you so 394 00:19:14,850 --> 00:19:17,090 S1: that people can be reminded of the headline, what happened 395 00:19:17,090 --> 00:19:18,449 S1: in the fall of 2002? 396 00:19:19,010 --> 00:19:20,810 S6: Oh my goodness. Well, I want to back up just 397 00:19:20,810 --> 00:19:23,530 S6: a year before that. So because I live in Virginia, 398 00:19:23,530 --> 00:19:26,930 S6: I'm just 20 minutes outside of Washington, DC and the Pentagon. 399 00:19:27,170 --> 00:19:30,330 S6: So the year before was nine over 11, and we 400 00:19:30,330 --> 00:19:32,449 S6: had family and friends, and my father was in the military. 401 00:19:32,490 --> 00:19:34,610 S6: He would travel back and forth in the Pentagon. So 402 00:19:34,609 --> 00:19:36,970 S6: nine over 11 rocked all of us and we were 403 00:19:36,970 --> 00:19:40,530 S6: already on edge. So in the fall of 2002, for 404 00:19:40,530 --> 00:19:45,459 S6: three weeks, two snipers used the trunk of their car, 405 00:19:45,500 --> 00:19:48,379 S6: they as a rolling sniper's nest, basically, and they were 406 00:19:48,380 --> 00:19:52,180 S6: indiscriminately drive around the DMV, which would be the District 407 00:19:52,180 --> 00:19:56,740 S6: of Columbia, Virginia, Maryland, and just shoot at anything. And 408 00:19:56,740 --> 00:19:59,699 S6: you could be pumping your gas. You could be loading 409 00:19:59,700 --> 00:20:02,260 S6: groceries into a car. You could be walking down the street. 410 00:20:02,420 --> 00:20:05,300 S6: And in one horrible situation, a child, middle school child 411 00:20:05,300 --> 00:20:08,379 S6: just getting out of his aunt's car, walking into school. 412 00:20:08,700 --> 00:20:11,220 S6: And we were we were terrorized. We were we were 413 00:20:11,220 --> 00:20:13,220 S6: filled with terror. At the end of their reign, they 414 00:20:13,260 --> 00:20:16,540 S6: killed ten, wounded three. But as you can attest to, 415 00:20:16,580 --> 00:20:20,980 S6: Janet terrorized millions of us. Exactly. We we couldn't go outside. 416 00:20:21,020 --> 00:20:24,380 S6: They the authorities told us, if you have to go outside, 417 00:20:24,380 --> 00:20:27,620 S6: duck and weave, stay low to the ground. And everything 418 00:20:27,619 --> 00:20:30,420 S6: we took for granted, we had to rethink. Just being 419 00:20:30,420 --> 00:20:34,220 S6: outside was was something we couldn't do anymore. Recess was canceled. 420 00:20:34,220 --> 00:20:36,219 S6: Football games, all of it was awful. 421 00:20:36,619 --> 00:20:40,260 S1: And just to to echo exactly what Cara's talking about, 422 00:20:40,980 --> 00:20:43,750 S1: we happen to be, by the way, in Fredericksburg at 423 00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:46,070 S1: the time when the man was killed at the Exxon 424 00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:46,830 S1: gas station. Just. 425 00:20:46,869 --> 00:20:47,710 S6: Were you really? 426 00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:49,710 S1: I kid you not. So when we would go, like 427 00:20:49,710 --> 00:20:51,990 S1: to the hardware store, to Lowe's, we'd say to our kids, 428 00:20:52,030 --> 00:20:54,750 S1: zig zag, zig zag, zig zag before you ran into 429 00:20:54,750 --> 00:20:57,390 S1: the store because we didn't know where the shooter was 430 00:20:57,390 --> 00:20:59,869 S1: coming from. Like you said, it ended up being a 431 00:20:59,869 --> 00:21:02,030 S1: white van that he converted literally so he could be 432 00:21:02,030 --> 00:21:03,869 S1: on his stomach as a sniper shooting out of the 433 00:21:03,869 --> 00:21:05,790 S1: back of the van. And of course, that's not the 434 00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:08,430 S1: first thing that comes to anybody's mind. And he was 435 00:21:08,430 --> 00:21:11,350 S1: able to take multiple lives before they finally tracked down 436 00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:13,909 S1: who this person was, because ultimately he made a mistake. 437 00:21:13,910 --> 00:21:16,190 S1: Thank you Lord. And the authorities were able to track 438 00:21:16,190 --> 00:21:18,590 S1: down that one. But the two people that were responsible 439 00:21:18,590 --> 00:21:20,790 S1: for this but care, the part that was so scary 440 00:21:20,790 --> 00:21:23,670 S1: is there was no rhyme or reason. There was no pattern. 441 00:21:23,670 --> 00:21:25,949 S1: It was a 72 year old or it was a 442 00:21:25,950 --> 00:21:29,430 S1: middle school student. There wasn't any rhyme or reason to 443 00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:31,110 S1: the kind of people that were being killed. It was 444 00:21:31,109 --> 00:21:33,430 S1: just like target practice that he would go out. They 445 00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:34,070 S1: would go out. 446 00:21:34,590 --> 00:21:37,150 S6: That's right. And it made us it shook us to 447 00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:40,990 S6: our core. It really did. But but again, like, just 448 00:21:41,090 --> 00:21:43,210 S6: like that Genesis verse. You intended to harm me, but 449 00:21:43,210 --> 00:21:46,730 S6: God intended it for good. I know those snipers could 450 00:21:46,770 --> 00:21:50,010 S6: have never imagined that the bullets that they used to 451 00:21:50,050 --> 00:21:53,010 S6: cause their anxiety would cause the heart of a Jewish 452 00:21:53,010 --> 00:21:55,810 S6: woman like myself to burst wide open for Jesus Christ. 453 00:21:55,970 --> 00:21:58,170 S6: Because that's exactly what happened during this time. 454 00:21:58,850 --> 00:22:01,850 S1: And in the midst of all of this and and that. 455 00:22:01,850 --> 00:22:03,810 S1: It's the backdrop to the story. And you do that 456 00:22:03,810 --> 00:22:07,370 S1: brilliantly because it represents the chaos of the world while 457 00:22:07,369 --> 00:22:10,490 S1: you're looking for personal peace. It's a beautiful juxtaposition. And 458 00:22:10,490 --> 00:22:12,369 S1: I thought it was it was truth, but it was 459 00:22:12,369 --> 00:22:15,410 S1: a brilliant way to position it. And you had very 460 00:22:15,410 --> 00:22:19,409 S1: strong anxiety reactions and you were you're unashamed to say 461 00:22:19,410 --> 00:22:21,570 S1: that in the book, which I really appreciated because there 462 00:22:21,609 --> 00:22:24,530 S1: are so many believers in Jesus Christ who suffer from that. 463 00:22:24,810 --> 00:22:26,490 S1: And it's like, oh, there must be something wrong. I 464 00:22:26,490 --> 00:22:28,290 S1: don't have enough faith. Why would I be anxious? Because 465 00:22:28,330 --> 00:22:30,969 S1: we're we strut the stage of life in this costume 466 00:22:30,970 --> 00:22:33,729 S1: called flesh, and it's part of the human experience. But 467 00:22:34,210 --> 00:22:36,690 S1: it would bother you because you didn't know if Jeff 468 00:22:36,690 --> 00:22:38,650 S1: would be safe. You didn't know if Emma would be safe. 469 00:22:38,650 --> 00:22:40,540 S1: You didn't know what would happen. The kids at your 470 00:22:40,540 --> 00:22:43,419 S1: school couldn't go out for recess, so there was a 471 00:22:43,420 --> 00:22:46,179 S1: general anxiety to the point where the school had to 472 00:22:46,220 --> 00:22:48,540 S1: actually pull the shades down on the windows because you 473 00:22:48,540 --> 00:22:50,020 S1: didn't know if a sniper was going to shoot through 474 00:22:50,020 --> 00:22:50,540 S1: a window. 475 00:22:51,260 --> 00:22:55,020 S6: That's right. And in setting that stage, though, the thing 476 00:22:55,020 --> 00:22:58,220 S6: that spoke to my heart as I looked around, I, 477 00:22:58,380 --> 00:23:01,260 S6: I just happened to be positioned at this elementary school 478 00:23:01,660 --> 00:23:04,820 S6: that was full of Christians. And I'm going to use 479 00:23:04,820 --> 00:23:07,380 S6: I'm going to use this next term carefully. They were 480 00:23:07,380 --> 00:23:08,820 S6: full of and I describe it in the book, they 481 00:23:08,820 --> 00:23:15,619 S6: were good Christians. Yep. Because for me, they were relationally 482 00:23:16,100 --> 00:23:19,500 S6: life changing examples to me of what it looked like 483 00:23:19,780 --> 00:23:23,820 S6: to love Jesus Christ. And they did small little things 484 00:23:23,820 --> 00:23:27,300 S6: that to them were probably ordinary, but that caught my 485 00:23:27,300 --> 00:23:30,340 S6: attention and got me to a place where I noticed 486 00:23:30,340 --> 00:23:35,100 S6: in the middle of this chaos, they're walking in peace 487 00:23:35,619 --> 00:23:39,389 S6: and they're saying things like, it's okay. God's in control 488 00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:43,790 S6: and I pray with you. I'll pray for you. And 489 00:23:43,790 --> 00:23:46,270 S6: setting the stage for something that happened in my life 490 00:23:46,270 --> 00:23:48,790 S6: that would have never happened if they had been reacting 491 00:23:48,790 --> 00:23:51,470 S6: in different ways. And I think it's important to share 492 00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:55,510 S6: that anxiety is a part of our everyday lives, and 493 00:23:56,030 --> 00:23:58,470 S6: it's something that we we have to walk into and 494 00:23:58,470 --> 00:24:00,310 S6: be honest with one another. Because when we are, it 495 00:24:00,310 --> 00:24:04,710 S6: creates community that can strengthen us as believers when we 496 00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:06,070 S6: share those struggles together. 497 00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:09,070 S1: Amen. So well said. So when we come back, I 498 00:24:09,070 --> 00:24:12,149 S1: want you to introduce my friends to the person known 499 00:24:12,150 --> 00:24:15,030 S1: as Sharon. Uh, I want to meet her someday. I 500 00:24:15,030 --> 00:24:16,750 S1: know I will in glory, but I tell you what 501 00:24:16,790 --> 00:24:19,350 S1: a precious ambassador for Christ. And I want you to 502 00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:21,710 S1: begin to tell her story. And how in the midst 503 00:24:21,710 --> 00:24:25,670 S1: of this cultural panic that was taking place, creating anxiety, 504 00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:29,230 S1: there were these people at this elementary school that God 505 00:24:29,230 --> 00:24:32,750 S1: puts together who just happened to be walking in peace. 506 00:24:32,750 --> 00:24:35,630 S1: They were trusting the Lord. They were not fearing because 507 00:24:35,670 --> 00:24:39,010 S1: they had that peace that passes His understanding and Cara 508 00:24:39,050 --> 00:24:41,290 S1: saw that and was attracted to it. More after this. 509 00:25:06,210 --> 00:25:08,330 S1: Jesus told us to go into the world and not 510 00:25:08,330 --> 00:25:09,970 S1: run away from it, and he didn't say it would 511 00:25:09,970 --> 00:25:11,889 S1: be easy in the market with Janet. Partial is a 512 00:25:11,890 --> 00:25:14,090 S1: program designed to come alongside and walk with you into 513 00:25:14,090 --> 00:25:17,090 S1: the marketplace of ideas. Partial partners are those friends who 514 00:25:17,090 --> 00:25:19,650 S1: support our program on a regular monthly basis. They know 515 00:25:19,650 --> 00:25:22,370 S1: the mandate of influencing and occupying until he comes. So 516 00:25:22,369 --> 00:25:25,010 S1: why don't you become part of the inner circle of support? 517 00:25:25,010 --> 00:25:28,530 S1: Call 877 Janet 58 or go to in the market 518 00:25:28,530 --> 00:25:34,090 S1: with Janet Parshall. We're visiting with Cara Shine, who's an author, 519 00:25:34,130 --> 00:25:37,820 S1: a speaker, and an award winning and an award winning. 520 00:25:37,859 --> 00:25:41,260 S1: Say that three times. Real fast elementary school teacher. She 521 00:25:41,260 --> 00:25:43,380 S1: joins us today in a new book that she's written 522 00:25:43,380 --> 00:25:45,700 S1: that is very much her story of how she came 523 00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:48,340 S1: to faith in Christ. But it's such a powerful reminder 524 00:25:48,340 --> 00:25:50,700 S1: of the sovereignty of God and the peace that he 525 00:25:50,700 --> 00:25:52,820 S1: gives us, by the way, and how to be those, quote, 526 00:25:52,859 --> 00:25:56,740 S1: good Christians that Carol talked about before real ambassadors for Christ. 527 00:25:56,780 --> 00:25:59,260 S1: Her book is called The Hallway Miracle, The prayer that 528 00:25:59,260 --> 00:26:02,020 S1: Opened a Jewish heart to Jesus. Now I just want 529 00:26:02,060 --> 00:26:04,980 S1: to add to your need for peace. So you've got 530 00:26:04,980 --> 00:26:07,899 S1: nine over 11. Your dad's in the military, the snipers 531 00:26:07,900 --> 00:26:11,980 S1: show up 2002, and then you discover that precious little 532 00:26:11,980 --> 00:26:14,940 S1: Emma has a food allergy. Touched on that real quick because, 533 00:26:14,980 --> 00:26:17,060 S1: I mean, you talk about fiery darts. They were coming 534 00:26:17,060 --> 00:26:18,380 S1: at you from every direction. 535 00:26:18,859 --> 00:26:22,140 S6: Honestly, it was just one thing after another. God, literally 536 00:26:22,140 --> 00:26:25,300 S6: just setting the stage for something beautiful to happen. Because 537 00:26:25,300 --> 00:26:28,020 S6: we know he loves to jump into our lives when 538 00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:31,780 S6: things are broken. And that's exactly what happened. We, um, 539 00:26:32,060 --> 00:26:37,070 S6: on the day that the snipers really began. And there 540 00:26:37,390 --> 00:26:40,389 S6: their reign of terror. At the end of that day, 541 00:26:40,430 --> 00:26:43,150 S6: I was talking with Sharon in the hallway, and our 542 00:26:43,150 --> 00:26:46,350 S6: principal came running down the hallway to to grab me 543 00:26:46,350 --> 00:26:50,110 S6: and say, hey, Kara, there's something wrong with Emma. Which 544 00:26:50,109 --> 00:26:52,310 S6: was which was more painful to me than than a 545 00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:55,030 S6: sniper bullet or anything else. At that moment when I 546 00:26:55,030 --> 00:26:57,389 S6: realized there was something wrong with her. We rushed her 547 00:26:57,390 --> 00:27:00,470 S6: to the hospital, and she had had an allergic reaction 548 00:27:00,470 --> 00:27:04,590 S6: to some peanut M&Ms that I had given her. And 549 00:27:04,790 --> 00:27:08,830 S6: it was in that fear that I found myself really 550 00:27:08,830 --> 00:27:12,790 S6: spiraling and wondering where I could find any kind of 551 00:27:12,830 --> 00:27:18,030 S6: peace or control. But that night, my teacher friends, including this, 552 00:27:18,030 --> 00:27:20,109 S6: this wonderful Christian that we're going to talk about here 553 00:27:20,109 --> 00:27:23,429 S6: in a minute, Sharon, they called and they had gathered 554 00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:27,830 S6: after I left school and prayed for my family, and 555 00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:30,710 S6: they called and left a message on our answering machine. 556 00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:32,350 S6: So when we got home from the hospital that night, 557 00:27:32,350 --> 00:27:35,970 S6: there was this beautiful message on our answering machine saying, 558 00:27:36,010 --> 00:27:38,050 S6: you know, we gathered and we prayed for you and 559 00:27:38,050 --> 00:27:41,169 S6: your family and Janet, what that did to my heart 560 00:27:41,570 --> 00:27:45,730 S6: just began like a little mustard seed dropping into my 561 00:27:45,730 --> 00:27:48,889 S6: heart about that. Somebody would stop what they were doing 562 00:27:48,930 --> 00:27:51,490 S6: to pray for me. It was just the beginning of 563 00:27:51,490 --> 00:27:52,490 S6: something beautiful. 564 00:27:52,530 --> 00:27:54,650 S1: Wow. I want to pause because I want to point 565 00:27:54,650 --> 00:27:57,290 S1: out again to people who think, well, I'm not called 566 00:27:57,290 --> 00:27:58,970 S1: to be a missionary. Listen, every single one of us 567 00:27:58,970 --> 00:28:01,489 S1: is a missionary when you're an ambassador for Christ. The 568 00:28:01,490 --> 00:28:03,930 S1: mission field is the ground between your two feet. So 569 00:28:04,170 --> 00:28:08,090 S1: here is this precious woman who has suffered the slings 570 00:28:08,090 --> 00:28:11,650 S1: and arrows of outrageous anti-Semitism pulling your hair. I don't 571 00:28:11,650 --> 00:28:14,610 S1: see any horns to a group of teachers without her 572 00:28:14,650 --> 00:28:16,970 S1: knowing it at the time. By the way, while M 573 00:28:16,970 --> 00:28:18,810 S1: is in the hospital and they're dealing with the fact 574 00:28:18,810 --> 00:28:21,370 S1: that she's got this anaphylactic shock now because she's got 575 00:28:21,369 --> 00:28:24,449 S1: a reaction to peanuts. And that means and you write 576 00:28:24,450 --> 00:28:26,929 S1: in the book with such transparency, again, I'm going to 577 00:28:26,970 --> 00:28:29,210 S1: use the word, you know, she's not dying. She just 578 00:28:29,210 --> 00:28:30,889 S1: has an allergy. But I'm afraid I'm going to lose her. 579 00:28:30,890 --> 00:28:33,330 S1: And you could just feel the anxiety building as you're 580 00:28:33,330 --> 00:28:36,420 S1: walking through a mother's heart with her daughter dealing with 581 00:28:36,420 --> 00:28:39,060 S1: this and unbeknownst to you, at that time, there were 582 00:28:39,060 --> 00:28:41,860 S1: teachers gathered at school praying, and when they finally let 583 00:28:41,860 --> 00:28:43,900 S1: you know that they were praying for you. This is 584 00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:46,020 S1: a far cry from pulling your hair and saying, I 585 00:28:46,020 --> 00:28:48,740 S1: don't see any horns to I'm praying for you. So 586 00:28:48,740 --> 00:28:52,340 S1: all of a sudden it's a new reiteration, if you will, 587 00:28:52,380 --> 00:28:55,300 S1: of who a Christian is. But then Sharon, she had 588 00:28:55,300 --> 00:28:57,220 S1: it in her shoe leather, didn't she? Because she's got 589 00:28:57,220 --> 00:29:00,180 S1: this little calendar on her desk. Talk to me about that. 590 00:29:00,820 --> 00:29:02,660 S6: So I do want to back up a little bit 591 00:29:02,660 --> 00:29:07,300 S6: and just say the reason that those prayers were acceptable 592 00:29:07,300 --> 00:29:10,420 S6: in my heart were because for the years prior, when 593 00:29:10,420 --> 00:29:13,780 S6: I first got to this elementary school there. There was 594 00:29:13,780 --> 00:29:17,540 S6: this sense that these were good, wonderful people, and there 595 00:29:17,540 --> 00:29:21,020 S6: had been years of relational learning on my part and 596 00:29:21,020 --> 00:29:25,260 S6: watching them. Their words and their actions, lining up with 597 00:29:25,260 --> 00:29:27,140 S6: people that could be trusted. So it was kind of 598 00:29:27,180 --> 00:29:31,340 S6: this like presence over persuasion. They were curious about my 599 00:29:31,340 --> 00:29:36,190 S6: Judaism in a way that didn't feel scary. They were kind. 600 00:29:36,390 --> 00:29:41,790 S6: They were supportive. And because of that, when they prayed 601 00:29:41,790 --> 00:29:45,670 S6: for me, there was already a foundational relationship where I 602 00:29:45,710 --> 00:29:49,190 S6: knew where their hearts were, and it felt right and 603 00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:52,390 S6: wonderful that they would pray for me. And it didn't 604 00:29:52,390 --> 00:29:56,910 S6: feel like they were trying to convert me or push 605 00:29:56,910 --> 00:29:58,950 S6: me up against a wall to say, this is how 606 00:29:58,950 --> 00:30:02,870 S6: to do it. They had laid the groundwork by washing feet, 607 00:30:03,390 --> 00:30:05,870 S6: just like Jesus did with his disciples, to say, this 608 00:30:05,870 --> 00:30:08,630 S6: is this is how we share with one another in 609 00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:11,110 S6: our everyday, ordinary lives. And one of the ordinary things 610 00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:14,590 S6: that Sharon did was she had this little desk calendar 611 00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:19,550 S6: of Christian devotionals and Bible verses that she just had 612 00:30:19,550 --> 00:30:23,710 S6: displayed on her desk, very boldly and unbeknownst to her. 613 00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:26,510 S6: During all of this, when my anxiety was really at 614 00:30:26,510 --> 00:30:29,550 S6: the height, I would sneak into her room and read 615 00:30:29,550 --> 00:30:32,630 S6: them over her shoulder. The first time I saw it, 616 00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:35,240 S6: I remember thinking, I shouldn't be reading this. This isn't 617 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,160 S6: for me. But I couldn't help but be drawn to 618 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,600 S6: them especially, you know, I read the words of John. 619 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,120 S6: John 1427 do not let your hearts be troubled. Do 620 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,400 S6: not be afraid. And it spoke to my heart because 621 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,000 S6: it was exactly what I needed. I didn't know who 622 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,400 S6: John was, but I wanted to know who John was 623 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,440 S6: at that moment, because John was saying, do not be afraid. 624 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,440 S6: And and I would find myself going back and reading 625 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,640 S6: the verses another day. It was Isaiah 4110, right? Fear not, 626 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,080 S6: for I am with you. And these two verses kind 627 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,520 S6: of just round around my head over and over. Fear 628 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,360 S6: not due afraid, Sharon. And actually, I spoke to Sharon 629 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,960 S6: right before, um, I got to speak with you here 630 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,760 S6: and she said, make sure you tell them that this 631 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,120 S6: was nothing I did. This was the Holy Spirit. And 632 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,200 S6: it's important to understand that she was just living her everyday, 633 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,640 S6: ordinary life. But because the Holy Spirit was welcomed into 634 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,760 S6: this place, into this elementary school in a way that 635 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,460 S6: was kind and beautiful and loving and not, um. I 636 00:31:33,460 --> 00:31:34,900 S6: don't know how to say. I don't want to say offensive, 637 00:31:34,940 --> 00:31:39,140 S6: but it felt safe. The principal, unbeknownst to me at 638 00:31:39,140 --> 00:31:43,380 S6: the beginning of school, was walking around doing prayer walks. 639 00:31:43,580 --> 00:31:46,620 S6: At the beginning of the school year, to claim that 640 00:31:46,620 --> 00:31:49,900 S6: school on behalf of the Holy Spirit. And then at night, 641 00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:53,340 S6: when we would leave, I found out later, um, he 642 00:31:53,340 --> 00:31:55,219 S6: would walk around and lay hands on our doors. And 643 00:31:55,220 --> 00:31:57,300 S6: when he got to my my door, my, he would 644 00:31:57,300 --> 00:32:00,460 S6: go in and lay his hands on my desk out 645 00:32:00,500 --> 00:32:03,780 S6: of love, but out of love, not because there was 646 00:32:03,780 --> 00:32:06,340 S6: an agenda of, you know, let me convert her. It 647 00:32:06,340 --> 00:32:09,780 S6: was just, father, I love this child. I love this child. 648 00:32:09,780 --> 00:32:12,380 S6: She is fearful. And she is. She needs she needs 649 00:32:12,380 --> 00:32:15,820 S6: your love and your purpose. And just an ordinary death 650 00:32:15,820 --> 00:32:19,620 S6: calendar that Sharon had no idea would open up my heart. 651 00:32:19,620 --> 00:32:21,980 S6: But because the Holy Spirit was welcomed in, it did. 652 00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:26,340 S1: Well, Sharon obviously has true humility because in the end 653 00:32:26,340 --> 00:32:28,660 S1: of the book, when you let several people offer their 654 00:32:28,660 --> 00:32:31,270 S1: closing thoughts, Sharon is one of them, and she makes 655 00:32:31,270 --> 00:32:32,990 S1: that point there as well. It's not me, it's the 656 00:32:32,990 --> 00:32:35,270 S1: Holy Spirit. She was bold enough to do it, but 657 00:32:35,270 --> 00:32:37,390 S1: let me just pause and talk about the sovereignty and 658 00:32:37,390 --> 00:32:40,709 S1: the mercy of God if the principle. And he also 659 00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:42,190 S1: writes in the back of the book, which I think 660 00:32:42,190 --> 00:32:44,950 S1: is fabulous, too, the man who was doing the prayer walks, 661 00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:46,670 S1: if he had had a different worldview, he could have 662 00:32:46,670 --> 00:32:48,750 S1: said to Sharon, no separation of church and state. You 663 00:32:48,750 --> 00:32:50,310 S1: have to take that off your desk. But not only 664 00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:53,150 S1: was he not having a problem with that, he himself 665 00:32:53,150 --> 00:32:57,390 S1: was praying quietly, um, and petitioning heaven, if you will, 666 00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:59,750 S1: on behalf of so many people that were in his school. 667 00:32:59,750 --> 00:33:02,110 S1: So God allows that calendar to be there. You get 668 00:33:02,110 --> 00:33:04,670 S1: a chance to read it, and it spoke right to 669 00:33:04,670 --> 00:33:06,630 S1: your heart at exactly the moment you needed to have. 670 00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:09,070 S1: Now let me just pause and just count some concerns 671 00:33:09,070 --> 00:33:12,190 S1: that Kara's got at this point. So again, we're shortly 672 00:33:12,190 --> 00:33:14,470 S1: after nine over 11. The sniper is loose. Her daughter 673 00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:17,230 S1: now has a food allergy that she's afraid, you know, 674 00:33:17,270 --> 00:33:18,590 S1: the rest of her life she's going to walk around 675 00:33:18,590 --> 00:33:20,310 S1: with an EpiPen and this is going to be the 676 00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:24,110 S1: new normal. And then these anxieties are building and building 677 00:33:24,110 --> 00:33:26,270 S1: and building. And you're thinking, I don't want to lose 678 00:33:26,270 --> 00:33:28,550 S1: my world. But at the same time, in the midst 679 00:33:28,550 --> 00:33:32,320 S1: of the chaos that surrounds everything that you know at 680 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,760 S1: that point in time, there's this unbelievable peace that you 681 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,800 S1: find first introduced to you in a devotional calendar. But 682 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,000 S1: it goes on from there. And I want people to 683 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,640 S1: understand the struggle because again, as we started your conversation. 684 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,360 S1: Judaism is an identifier. So it's like, I can't get 685 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,680 S1: too close to Jesus. I mean, in fact, my mother 686 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,640 S1: used to say, and she she taught me how to 687 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,440 S1: deeply love the Jewish people. She said, honey, no one 688 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,760 S1: becomes more Jewish than when you talk about Jesus. And 689 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,680 S1: that's because it's really the way, oh, this is the 690 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,920 S1: dividing rod. Uh oh. Everything changes from here. So you 691 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,120 S1: said this isn't for me, but yet there was something 692 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,160 S1: that drew you to that. So talk to me now 693 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,320 S1: about how God systematically starts stirring and stirring and stirring, 694 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,200 S1: which eventually leads. And that took a lot of chutzpah, 695 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:13,440 S1: this prayer in the hallway. 696 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:19,040 S6: I love that you used the word chutzpah. There was 697 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,200 S6: there was just an undeniable pursuing of my heart through 698 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,320 S6: my fear and my anxiety in a way that I can't, 699 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,620 S6: I can't describe, but would wake me up every morning. 700 00:34:30,700 --> 00:34:36,060 S6: Seeking for something that would provide me with a steadying 701 00:34:36,060 --> 00:34:40,180 S6: of the ground. Because this sniper time felt like an earthquake. 702 00:34:40,219 --> 00:34:42,259 S6: If you've ever been in an earthquake the first time 703 00:34:42,260 --> 00:34:45,220 S6: you're in one. It shakes everything that you know, everything 704 00:34:45,219 --> 00:34:48,700 S6: that you thought you could count as, as predictable all 705 00:34:48,700 --> 00:34:53,900 S6: of a sudden is not. So the morning of October 10th, 706 00:34:54,140 --> 00:34:57,219 S6: I remember I pulled up to the elementary school, and 707 00:34:57,219 --> 00:34:59,419 S6: I got there early because I had lots of work 708 00:34:59,420 --> 00:35:02,340 S6: to do, and I heard on the radio that a 709 00:35:02,340 --> 00:35:06,420 S6: middle school student had just been shot getting out of 710 00:35:06,700 --> 00:35:10,780 S6: his aunt's car and was critically wounded. And I sat 711 00:35:10,780 --> 00:35:14,819 S6: frozen in that empty elementary school parking lot, wondering how 712 00:35:14,820 --> 00:35:17,420 S6: I was going to get out from my car into 713 00:35:17,420 --> 00:35:21,460 S6: the elementary school. And as luck would have it, Sharon 714 00:35:21,780 --> 00:35:24,219 S6: happened to come to school early that morning, too, and 715 00:35:24,219 --> 00:35:26,899 S6: she pulled up in the parking lot not far away 716 00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:29,469 S6: from me, and I could tell she was singing in 717 00:35:29,469 --> 00:35:33,390 S6: her car. She was singing. I couldn't get out of 718 00:35:33,390 --> 00:35:36,230 S6: my car. I was frozen because I was so afraid 719 00:35:36,270 --> 00:35:39,350 S6: to leave the car. She opened up the car door, 720 00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:41,790 S6: walked straight into the elementary school with a smile on 721 00:35:41,790 --> 00:35:45,310 S6: her face, got to the door, turned around and realized 722 00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:48,230 S6: I was still in my car, and she held the 723 00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:50,509 S6: door open for me and kind of waved me in like, 724 00:35:50,510 --> 00:35:52,190 S6: come on, come on, we got to get to school. 725 00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:56,630 S6: And at that moment, the verses that I had been reading, 726 00:35:56,670 --> 00:36:01,430 S6: unbeknownst to her, found me. Fear not. Do not be afraid. 727 00:36:01,630 --> 00:36:05,110 S6: Fear not. Do not be afraid. And I, I garnered 728 00:36:05,110 --> 00:36:08,870 S6: the courage, grabbed things, and ran as fast as I 729 00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:11,630 S6: could into that elementary school. And I looked at her 730 00:36:11,630 --> 00:36:14,190 S6: and I just said, aren't you afraid? And she said, 731 00:36:14,190 --> 00:36:17,030 S6: I am afraid, honey, but I know that Jesus Christ 732 00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:20,030 S6: is my Lord and Savior, and I can't let that 733 00:36:20,030 --> 00:36:21,070 S6: define my life. 734 00:36:21,590 --> 00:36:23,430 S1: Oh, and there's more to the conversation. So we're going 735 00:36:23,469 --> 00:36:25,350 S1: to pause right there and pick it up at that point. 736 00:36:25,350 --> 00:36:27,430 S1: By the way, there's so much more in Cara's book. 737 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,440 S1: it's called The Hallway Miracle, the prayer that Opened a 738 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,279 S1: Jewish heart to Jesus. It is really the story of 739 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,880 S1: lifestyle evangelism, just living out in authentic Christianity, your relationship 740 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,600 S1: with Jesus Christ. But it's also about the sovereignty of 741 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,759 S1: God and how he draws us to him. We think 742 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,000 S1: we find God. He's been pursuing us all the time. 743 00:36:46,040 --> 00:37:25,680 S1: More with Cara right after this. Shane is the author 744 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,460 S1: of The hallway miracle, the prayer that opened a Jewish 745 00:37:29,460 --> 00:37:31,540 S1: heart to Jesus. We're going to go right back to 746 00:37:31,580 --> 00:37:33,740 S1: that hallway because that's where we left the story. So 747 00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:37,900 S1: Sharon's gotten there early and she's singing and you're worried 748 00:37:37,900 --> 00:37:40,460 S1: and you're dashing into the school because the sniper is 749 00:37:40,460 --> 00:37:43,259 S1: still very much out and about at this point. And 750 00:37:43,260 --> 00:37:47,780 S1: you say to Sharon, this precious living epistle. Aren't you afraid? 751 00:37:47,780 --> 00:37:50,420 S1: And then she says, yes, but I have Jesus as 752 00:37:50,420 --> 00:37:52,540 S1: my Savior. Pick up the conversation from there. 753 00:37:53,020 --> 00:37:57,380 S6: Oh, gosh. So I, I just looked in her eyes 754 00:37:57,380 --> 00:38:00,380 S6: and I said, I don't understand what you mean by that. 755 00:38:00,860 --> 00:38:04,460 S6: And because we already had a relationship, because she had already, 756 00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:07,460 S6: through word and deed in action, become a dear friend 757 00:38:07,460 --> 00:38:10,300 S6: of mine who I trusted at this point. The next 758 00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:14,500 S6: sentence that she said did not feel so frightening to me, 759 00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:16,820 S6: and she just looked at me and she said, Kara, 760 00:38:17,380 --> 00:38:18,820 S6: would you like to pray with me? 761 00:38:19,100 --> 00:38:19,500 S3: Mm. 762 00:38:20,020 --> 00:38:22,820 S6: And and I had that moment in my heart where 763 00:38:23,140 --> 00:38:26,070 S6: the the bullies flashed in my head from the bus 764 00:38:26,070 --> 00:38:29,109 S6: and what I had learned in synagogue and what how 765 00:38:29,150 --> 00:38:31,910 S6: confused I was. And I was desperately in need of 766 00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:34,870 S6: hope at that moment. And I trusted Sharon. And I 767 00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:37,750 S6: just looked at her and I said, okay. And she 768 00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:41,670 S6: took my hands and we bowed our heads. And in 769 00:38:41,710 --> 00:38:44,270 S6: that empty hallway, before any of the kids were there, 770 00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:47,549 S6: she just started talking to God like he was her 771 00:38:47,550 --> 00:38:51,790 S6: very best friend. And she spoke these words that made 772 00:38:51,790 --> 00:38:54,310 S6: me feel from the top of my head to the 773 00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:59,030 S6: bottom of my toes, a warmth and a peace that 774 00:38:59,070 --> 00:39:03,070 S6: made the entire hallway just disappear. And I felt like. 775 00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:05,270 S6: I felt like the rest of the world just disappeared 776 00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:09,629 S6: and we opened our eyes. Eventually we were both crying, 777 00:39:09,950 --> 00:39:12,469 S6: and I looked up at her and I just. Sharon, 778 00:39:12,469 --> 00:39:15,910 S6: what was that? And she said, oh, honey, that was 779 00:39:15,910 --> 00:39:21,190 S6: Jesus and Janet. What happened next was this holy ripple effect. 780 00:39:21,230 --> 00:39:23,990 S6: The only way I can describe it of God just 781 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,759 S6: pursuing me until I got to a place where I 782 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,279 S6: was able to learn and meet the real Jesus. The 783 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,600 S6: Jesus who who washes feet. 784 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,120 S1: Wow. What I love about the story going forward from 785 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,120 S1: this point is you're like Peter and John who couldn't 786 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,120 S1: stop talking about that which they'd seen and heard. You know, 787 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,640 S1: it's it's in you. Now you got to tell somebody. 788 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,319 S1: And obviously Jeff is going to be one of the 789 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,200 S1: first people, but then you're going to have to tell 790 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,560 S1: your parents. So talk to me about that. Talk to 791 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,160 S1: me about finding the church, what it's like for a 792 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,319 S1: good Jewish girl to show up in a church and 793 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,480 S1: all of a sudden how everything is different there, and 794 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,359 S1: even a baptism. I mean, there's so much to this 795 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:01,280 S1: part of the story. 796 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,600 S6: Yeah, the rest of the story is, is I liken 797 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,040 S6: it to if you have your life in puzzle pieces 798 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,319 S6: and you spend your whole life putting all of these 799 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,160 S6: puzzle pieces together until they fit beautifully and you think 800 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,279 S6: you know exactly where your life is, and all of 801 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,799 S6: a sudden somebody shows up and says, yeah, but I 802 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,759 S6: have a whole nother idea. And they just send the 803 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,570 S6: pieces onto the floor. That's kind of how it felt 804 00:40:24,570 --> 00:40:26,930 S6: for me. And in the beginning, I had a really 805 00:40:26,930 --> 00:40:29,690 S6: hard time even talking to Jeff about it, because I 806 00:40:29,690 --> 00:40:31,969 S6: knew the moment I said it, it would be like 807 00:40:31,969 --> 00:40:35,569 S6: Pandora's Box. So I needed to know for sure for myself. 808 00:40:35,890 --> 00:40:39,489 S6: And so the person that I confided in was my 809 00:40:39,489 --> 00:40:43,969 S6: Muslim neighbor, Shiku, who I knew would understand what I 810 00:40:43,969 --> 00:40:47,890 S6: was going through. And we had these conversations in her 811 00:40:47,890 --> 00:40:51,730 S6: sunroom about what was happening in my life. And Sharon 812 00:40:51,730 --> 00:40:54,730 S6: gave me my first Bible, and we went to church, 813 00:40:55,090 --> 00:40:57,690 S6: and I almost walked out of the church, because when 814 00:40:57,690 --> 00:41:00,250 S6: I got there, it was in an elementary school with 815 00:41:00,250 --> 00:41:03,730 S6: a makeshift drop down white screen and a rock band. 816 00:41:03,930 --> 00:41:06,609 S6: And at one point I almost thought, what am I 817 00:41:06,610 --> 00:41:08,370 S6: doing here? I have to get out of here. And 818 00:41:08,370 --> 00:41:11,370 S6: then God met me. God met me there with all 819 00:41:11,370 --> 00:41:14,890 S6: these I call them. God winks, telling me like, you 820 00:41:14,890 --> 00:41:17,570 S6: belong here. And the pastor just happened to be preaching 821 00:41:17,570 --> 00:41:22,730 S6: on Isaiah 4110. Fear not. Wow. Wow. Yeah, yeah. 822 00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:26,910 S1: No coincidences in God's classroom, that's for sure. Unbelievable. Let 823 00:41:26,910 --> 00:41:29,030 S1: me go back to Sharon again because I got teary 824 00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:31,910 S1: eyed when I read this. You talk about being an in-tune, 825 00:41:32,070 --> 00:41:36,070 S1: living epistle. She raps in a bag. Girls do this, 826 00:41:36,110 --> 00:41:38,270 S1: you know. She gives you this bag. It's kind of heavy. 827 00:41:38,270 --> 00:41:40,830 S1: Not only is it a Bible, but it's a CD 828 00:41:40,830 --> 00:41:44,109 S1: for praise and worship music. Um, and when you get 829 00:41:44,110 --> 00:41:46,750 S1: to the church, one of the. It must have just 830 00:41:46,750 --> 00:41:49,190 S1: knocked you when you saw the words up on the 831 00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:53,590 S1: screen a little different than the canter and it says, shine, Jesus, shine. 832 00:41:53,590 --> 00:41:55,950 S1: Nothing like having your name in neon lights as you're 833 00:41:55,950 --> 00:41:57,590 S1: coming to know the Lord is your savior. 834 00:41:57,989 --> 00:42:00,910 S6: Yeah, well. And the moment we got to church, I really, 835 00:42:00,910 --> 00:42:03,589 S6: honestly was going to turn around and leave. But then 836 00:42:03,590 --> 00:42:06,910 S6: I looked up onto the stage and this band was 837 00:42:06,910 --> 00:42:10,030 S6: full of, um, you know, mostly adults. But there was 838 00:42:10,030 --> 00:42:13,069 S6: one teenager and I knew who it was. She was 839 00:42:13,070 --> 00:42:15,750 S6: one of my original first grade students from the first 840 00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:19,270 S6: years that I taught. And I thought, okay, I'll stay 841 00:42:19,310 --> 00:42:21,670 S6: just because I want to see this child. I want 842 00:42:21,710 --> 00:42:24,280 S6: to see my old student. And then we sat down 843 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,600 S6: and the very first song that they sang was shine, Jesus, 844 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,080 S6: shine and I. Sharon and Jeff and we all looked 845 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,520 S6: at each other like, is this happening? Is this really 846 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,840 S6: what is happening? And yeah, it was just like I said, 847 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,279 S6: God was pursuing me. And then the the word got 848 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,319 S6: out in this elementary school, uh, because I love my 849 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,479 S6: girl Sharon, but she was so excited and on fire, 850 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,520 S6: she couldn't help herself. She and the principal, Rob, started 851 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,120 S6: sharing with other people that love me. Hey, Jesus is 852 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,120 S6: pursuing Cara. And every morning I would show up and 853 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,200 S6: there was a present on my desk from these lovely, 854 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,160 S6: beautiful women. One day it was a red rose that said, 855 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,560 S6: Jesus loves you. Another day it was, uh, the the 856 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,520 S6: framed verse, Isaiah 4110 and one day it was a 857 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,879 S6: wooden cross keychain. And that moment was really difficult for 858 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,359 S6: me because that was a real concrete symbol of what 859 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,279 S6: I was doing. And I, I had to I had 860 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,290 S6: to reconcile in my empty classroom before my kids got there. Okay. Carol, 861 00:43:22,290 --> 00:43:24,969 S6: what are you really doing here? And I remember I'd 862 00:43:24,969 --> 00:43:28,450 S6: had a conversation with my principal earlier. Um, he had 863 00:43:28,450 --> 00:43:31,210 S6: a desk calendar, too. I was like, they were. It 864 00:43:31,210 --> 00:43:34,010 S6: was like a secret. A secret society of desk calendar 865 00:43:34,010 --> 00:43:37,330 S6: people at this school. And I sat in that in 866 00:43:37,410 --> 00:43:39,450 S6: that room with him, and he had the verse, be 867 00:43:39,450 --> 00:43:42,209 S6: still and know that I am God. And I stood 868 00:43:42,210 --> 00:43:45,570 S6: in my classroom holding this wooden cross keychain, thinking to myself, 869 00:43:45,570 --> 00:43:48,770 S6: what am I doing? And he had said, if you 870 00:43:48,810 --> 00:43:51,969 S6: want to seek God, you have to make space to 871 00:43:52,010 --> 00:43:54,330 S6: hear from him. So I closed my eyes and I 872 00:43:54,330 --> 00:43:57,450 S6: just asked God to open my heart so that I 873 00:43:57,450 --> 00:43:59,529 S6: could know who he was. And the first thing that 874 00:43:59,530 --> 00:44:02,290 S6: was revealed to me was I needed to forgive. I 875 00:44:02,290 --> 00:44:05,210 S6: needed to forgive these kids on the bus because they 876 00:44:05,210 --> 00:44:09,649 S6: were just kids. And I needed forgiveness too. And there 877 00:44:09,650 --> 00:44:11,930 S6: was a uniting and a breaking down of my heart 878 00:44:11,930 --> 00:44:14,650 S6: that allowed me then to step into being able to 879 00:44:14,650 --> 00:44:16,689 S6: open up my very first Bible and read the words 880 00:44:16,690 --> 00:44:18,930 S6: of Matthew. And it changed everything. 881 00:44:19,170 --> 00:44:19,970 S8: Wow. Wow. 882 00:44:20,590 --> 00:44:22,870 S1: And I want to tell my friends again. You know, 883 00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:25,149 S1: when I'm really touched by a book, I really tell 884 00:44:25,150 --> 00:44:26,630 S1: you to get it. And I'm touched by this book, 885 00:44:26,670 --> 00:44:28,230 S1: and I want you to get it because you need 886 00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:30,989 S1: to read about her baptism. And then I'm going to 887 00:44:30,989 --> 00:44:32,989 S1: leave this question hanging as a catalyst for you to 888 00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:36,270 S1: go and get a copy of the book. Cara has 889 00:44:36,270 --> 00:44:37,870 S1: to go back and tell her mom and dad. And 890 00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:41,109 S1: you know, I have known Jewish families where when someone 891 00:44:41,110 --> 00:44:43,070 S1: in the family comes to faith in Christ, they will 892 00:44:43,070 --> 00:44:44,870 S1: go so far as to say, you're dead to me. 893 00:44:45,150 --> 00:44:47,950 S1: They'll hold funerals sometimes. I mean, it is. It's your 894 00:44:47,950 --> 00:44:51,710 S1: total identification. And now you're going to say that one 895 00:44:51,710 --> 00:44:54,069 S1: thing that you're never, ever supposed to do, that the 896 00:44:54,070 --> 00:44:58,229 S1: promised Messiah's name is Yeshua from Nazareth. And she's got 897 00:44:58,230 --> 00:45:01,069 S1: to tell her parents now what the story is in 898 00:45:01,070 --> 00:45:02,509 S1: her life. You're going to have to read the book 899 00:45:02,510 --> 00:45:04,310 S1: to find out how that goes, because I'm out of 900 00:45:04,310 --> 00:45:06,710 S1: time and I loved the book. So I've got a 901 00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:08,310 S1: link on my website for you to get a copy. 902 00:45:08,310 --> 00:45:11,310 S1: It's called the Hallway Miracle, the prayer that opened a 903 00:45:11,310 --> 00:45:14,589 S1: Jewish Heart to Jesus. Cara, what a wonderful testimony. May 904 00:45:14,590 --> 00:45:17,150 S1: the Lord give you many opportunities to share it. Thanks, friends. 905 00:45:17,150 --> 00:45:18,030 S1: We'll see you next time.