1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,480 S1: Hi friends, thanks so much for downloading this podcast and 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,480 S1: I hope truly that you will hear something that will encourage, edify, 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,160 S1: equip and enlighten you to get out there and influence 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:10,880 S1: and occupy until he comes. And on that note, may 5 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:12,760 S1: I take just a few moments here to describe this 6 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,800 S1: month's truth tool? It's by pastor Jack Hibbs. He's written 7 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,599 S1: the book called Called to Take a Bold Stand. 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Welcome to In the Market 45 00:02:09,860 --> 00:02:12,500 S1: with Janet partial. Happy Wednesday to you. I hope you 46 00:02:12,500 --> 00:02:15,579 S1: are having a wonderful week thus far. I just got 47 00:02:15,580 --> 00:02:17,580 S1: to tell you because I can't believe it. Don't forget 48 00:02:17,580 --> 00:02:21,020 S1: this weekend we changed those clocks. I cannot believe that 49 00:02:21,020 --> 00:02:24,100 S1: spring forward fall back. So we're going to move those 50 00:02:24,100 --> 00:02:26,900 S1: clocks forward and we're going to lose an hour of sleep. Yeah, 51 00:02:27,139 --> 00:02:29,020 S1: I'm telling you. So you won't show up late for church. 52 00:02:29,020 --> 00:02:30,859 S1: So now you can't say you ain't been warned. Okay. 53 00:02:30,860 --> 00:02:32,980 S1: Just remember that. But I want to talk about news. 54 00:02:32,980 --> 00:02:34,740 S1: We're going to talk about a lot of things. Really 55 00:02:34,740 --> 00:02:38,060 S1: interesting things this hour. But let's start with Operation Epic 56 00:02:38,100 --> 00:02:40,940 S1: Fury and let's go to the Secretary of War, because 57 00:02:40,980 --> 00:02:44,700 S1: Pete Hegseth gave a briefing on the operations today. Have 58 00:02:44,700 --> 00:02:45,220 S1: a listen. 59 00:02:45,580 --> 00:02:50,220 S6: The Iranian Air force is no more built for 1996. 60 00:02:50,380 --> 00:02:55,459 S6: Destroyed in 2026. The Iranian navy rests at the bottom 61 00:02:55,460 --> 00:03:01,829 S6: of the Persian Gulf. Combat. Ineffective. Decimated. Destroyed. Defeated. Pick 62 00:03:01,830 --> 00:03:06,030 S6: your adjective. In fact, last night we sunk their prized ship, 63 00:03:06,830 --> 00:03:13,230 S6: the Soleimani. Looks like POTUS got him twice. Their navy. 64 00:03:13,230 --> 00:03:16,110 S6: Not a factor. Pick your adjective. It is no more. 65 00:03:16,230 --> 00:03:20,750 S6: In fact, yesterday in the Indian Ocean. And we'll play 66 00:03:20,750 --> 00:03:24,510 S6: it on the screen there. An American submarine sunk an 67 00:03:24,510 --> 00:03:30,550 S6: Iranian warship that thought it was safe in international waters. Instead, 68 00:03:30,550 --> 00:03:35,190 S6: it was sunk by a torpedo. Quiet death. The first 69 00:03:35,190 --> 00:03:37,630 S6: sinking of an enemy ship by a torpedo since World 70 00:03:37,630 --> 00:03:41,869 S6: War Two. Like in that war. Back when we were 71 00:03:41,870 --> 00:03:45,550 S6: still the War Department. We are fighting to win. 72 00:03:47,510 --> 00:03:50,070 S1: Pete Hegseth also was asked when he was doing a 73 00:03:50,070 --> 00:03:53,270 S1: press gaggle about his thoughts on the loss of troops, which, 74 00:03:53,310 --> 00:03:55,440 S1: of course happens when you go to war. We are 75 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,840 S1: in a fallen world. And I thought his response was interesting. 76 00:03:58,880 --> 00:03:59,720 S1: Have a listen. 77 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,400 S7: As you've said, there are a large amount of U.S. 78 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,400 S7: service members that are in harm's way right now. What 79 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:06,480 S7: is your prayer for them? 80 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,400 S6: Uh, first of all, my prayer for them is that 81 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,560 S6: I do pray for them. Um, my wife prays for them. 82 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,920 S6: Our family prays for them. Our cabinet prays for them. Um, 83 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,880 S6: none of this is done. Um, on a whim. Um, 84 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,640 S6: having been in their boots. Having been in their shoes, 85 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,920 S6: having been in their flight suits, um, I think we 86 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:28,960 S6: I mean, I know we think about them with every 87 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,359 S6: decision that we make and every recommendation that we make 88 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,080 S6: to the president of the United States. Those those those 89 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:39,119 S6: recommendations are made prayerfully. Uh, and when I pray every 90 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,280 S6: day for them and for this mission, I pray simply 91 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,400 S6: for the biblical wisdom to see what is right and 92 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,440 S6: the courage to do it. It's going to take courage 93 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:48,960 S6: to follow through on this. There's going to be a 94 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,240 S6: lot of noise. Uh, and we pray for that. And 95 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:52,520 S6: we hope all of you do, too. 96 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,530 S1: What a reminder, Paul to Timothy. Pray for those in authority. 97 00:04:56,770 --> 00:04:59,250 S1: So they're having to make very important decisions. There are 98 00:04:59,250 --> 00:05:02,770 S1: real lives that are in harm's way. We remember and 99 00:05:02,770 --> 00:05:05,050 S1: we praise God for the lives of those that we've 100 00:05:05,050 --> 00:05:07,450 S1: lost thus far. They poured out, in the words of Lincoln, 101 00:05:07,450 --> 00:05:10,849 S1: that last full measure of devotion. And their sacrifice will 102 00:05:10,850 --> 00:05:13,730 S1: not go unnoticed. And we do appreciate so much what 103 00:05:13,730 --> 00:05:15,969 S1: they did, and we may lose more lives going forward. 104 00:05:15,970 --> 00:05:18,930 S1: So be in prayer. You and I need to understand 105 00:05:18,930 --> 00:05:21,610 S1: that a sin sick, fallen world has wars in it. 106 00:05:21,610 --> 00:05:24,289 S1: At the core of all of this is a spiritual issue, 107 00:05:24,290 --> 00:05:26,570 S1: so you cannot forget. Let me turn to Julie Stahl 108 00:05:26,570 --> 00:05:28,210 S1: now from CBN news who will give us an update 109 00:05:28,210 --> 00:05:29,089 S1: on what's happening. 110 00:05:29,450 --> 00:05:33,529 S8: Israel flattened a building where Tehran's 88 member Assembly of 111 00:05:33,529 --> 00:05:37,970 S8: Experts reportedly had gathered to choose Iran's next supreme leader 112 00:05:37,970 --> 00:05:41,250 S8: on Tuesday, Iran says the building was empty and the 113 00:05:41,250 --> 00:05:46,490 S8: council met virtually. Ayatollah Khomeini died Saturday in the initial 114 00:05:46,490 --> 00:05:48,690 S8: strike of the war, and his son is said to 115 00:05:48,690 --> 00:05:52,460 S8: be the leading choice to take over, Centcom announced there 116 00:05:52,500 --> 00:05:56,539 S8: are more than 50,000 American troops deployed in the region Tuesday. 117 00:05:56,540 --> 00:06:00,180 S8: President Trump said Israel did not push the U.S. into 118 00:06:00,220 --> 00:06:01,300 S8: war with Iran. 119 00:06:01,700 --> 00:06:06,460 S9: We were having negotiations with these lunatics, and it was 120 00:06:06,460 --> 00:06:08,620 S9: my opinion that they were going to attack first. They 121 00:06:08,620 --> 00:06:11,060 S9: were going to attack if we didn't do it. So 122 00:06:11,100 --> 00:06:13,539 S9: if anything, I might have forced Israel's hand. 123 00:06:13,900 --> 00:06:18,299 S8: Israel continues to strike sites in Tehran, including a storage, 124 00:06:18,300 --> 00:06:23,860 S8: production and missile launch facility. It's also hitting security organizations 125 00:06:23,860 --> 00:06:28,460 S8: responsible for putting down protesters and separatists. The CIA is 126 00:06:28,460 --> 00:06:32,700 S8: reportedly working to arm Kurdish forces on the Iran-Iraq border 127 00:06:32,700 --> 00:06:36,940 S8: to help spark an internal uprising. Iran is continuing to 128 00:06:36,980 --> 00:06:41,740 S8: launch missiles and UAVs at civilians in Israel, forcing citizens 129 00:06:41,740 --> 00:06:46,380 S8: to take shelter, though most are intercepted by Israel's missile defense. 130 00:06:46,580 --> 00:06:49,740 S8: The war is a growing regional conflict, as other Middle 131 00:06:49,740 --> 00:06:52,350 S8: Eastern countries are being attacked. 132 00:06:52,630 --> 00:06:56,550 S9: They've hit UAE, they've hit Saudi Arabia, they've hit Oman. 133 00:06:56,870 --> 00:06:59,870 S9: They were helping us negotiate. They got hit. Everybody got hit. 134 00:06:59,910 --> 00:07:04,910 S8: Iran also struck the Kurdish region of Iraq. Jordan, Bahrain, 135 00:07:04,910 --> 00:07:09,350 S8: Kuwait and Cyprus. On the other side, Iranian proxy Hezbollah 136 00:07:09,550 --> 00:07:14,470 S8: formally entered the war, launching deadly drones and rockets at Israel. 137 00:07:14,710 --> 00:07:18,910 S10: Hezbollah is basically it's the Lebanese branch of the Iranian 138 00:07:18,910 --> 00:07:24,190 S10: Revolutionary Corps inside Hezbollah. There were sort of liaison officers 139 00:07:24,190 --> 00:07:27,830 S10: of the IRGC with the past from Damascus now, much 140 00:07:27,830 --> 00:07:31,870 S10: less who were actually giving the orders inside Hezbollah at 141 00:07:31,870 --> 00:07:35,550 S10: every single level. They are totally under the control of 142 00:07:35,790 --> 00:07:36,710 S10: the IRGC. 143 00:07:36,870 --> 00:07:41,870 S8: Israel warned civilians in southern Lebanon to evacuate certain areas 144 00:07:41,870 --> 00:07:45,630 S8: as it launched a ground operation into the region. Doctor 145 00:07:45,630 --> 00:07:51,400 S8: Shmuel Bar, former senior Israeli intelligence official and regional affairs expert, 146 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,160 S8: said troops needed to enter Lebanon to protect Israeli citizens 147 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:56,040 S8: in the north. 148 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,119 S10: The first thing is Israel did not want to tell 149 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,720 S10: the population in northern Israel to get out and, you know, 150 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,640 S10: like it did at the beginning of the war after 151 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,400 S10: 7th of October, because that was highly considered a very 152 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,480 S10: bad decision. The role of the government is to give security. 153 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,000 S8: Julie Stahl, CBN news, Jerusalem. 154 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,520 S1: Four hours ago, it has now been reported that Iran's 155 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,200 S1: state TV has been hacked again. You will remember that 156 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,080 S1: all communications were cut off. And our conversation with Doctor 157 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,320 S1: Shahriyar that included the transmission of Iran alive in the 158 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,680 S1: gospel message into Iran, that all got shut down. Obviously, 159 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,640 S1: you can't control the people if you don't cut off 160 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,240 S1: their media sources. Well, this time the hacking has been 161 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,679 S1: the other way, and Iran's state TV is up on 162 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,680 S1: the air and running. And now Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi, 163 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,439 S1: who is the presumed person who would step in as 164 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,920 S1: a transitional leader, back on the air talking to the 165 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,170 S1: Iranian people. So all of this, by the way, is 166 00:08:49,170 --> 00:08:52,970 S1: clearing away the shrubberies, the bushes, the overgrowth, the weeds, 167 00:08:52,970 --> 00:08:56,970 S1: if you will, to prevent people having a conversation about self-governance, 168 00:08:56,970 --> 00:08:59,970 S1: freedom and liberty. So be in prayer. This is not 169 00:08:59,970 --> 00:09:02,089 S1: going to be a 50 yard dash. This is going 170 00:09:02,090 --> 00:09:05,370 S1: to be a marathon. And to quote the president yesterday, 171 00:09:05,410 --> 00:09:07,809 S1: the heavy stuff hasn't even started yet. So be in 172 00:09:07,809 --> 00:09:10,090 S1: prayer for those in authority, for those who have to 173 00:09:10,130 --> 00:09:14,050 S1: make tough decisions for troops, for wisdom, for what's going on, 174 00:09:14,050 --> 00:09:17,410 S1: for protection for the Iranian people, for the prince of 175 00:09:17,410 --> 00:09:20,010 S1: the air to be bound over that land, and for 176 00:09:20,010 --> 00:09:23,850 S1: people to really experience true liberty and freedom again. Isn't 177 00:09:23,850 --> 00:09:25,689 S1: it interesting you and I have a front row seat 178 00:09:25,730 --> 00:09:27,890 S1: to history. I don't know when he's coming. I certainly 179 00:09:27,890 --> 00:09:30,089 S1: know the pieces are being moved around. And I do 180 00:09:30,130 --> 00:09:33,569 S1: know that his return is imminent. Which raises the question, 181 00:09:33,570 --> 00:09:36,610 S1: are you ready? Only you can answer that back after this. 182 00:09:46,580 --> 00:09:49,219 S1: Are you living with a biblically based, passionate faith? Or 183 00:09:49,220 --> 00:09:51,820 S1: are you pulling back from letting your light shine? That's 184 00:09:51,820 --> 00:09:53,860 S1: why I've chosen Cole to take a bold stand as 185 00:09:53,860 --> 00:09:56,500 S1: this month's truth tool. Learn how to influence the culture 186 00:09:56,500 --> 00:09:59,220 S1: for Christ in a transformative way. As for your copy 187 00:09:59,220 --> 00:10:01,100 S1: of Call to Take a Bold Stand, when you give 188 00:10:01,100 --> 00:10:03,020 S1: a gift of any amount to in the market, call 189 00:10:03,059 --> 00:10:07,380 S1: 877 Janet 58. That's 877 Janet 58 or go to 190 00:10:07,420 --> 00:10:13,020 S1: in the market with Janet. So being here in Washington, D.C., 191 00:10:13,059 --> 00:10:14,580 S1: I'm very aware of the fact that we have a 192 00:10:14,580 --> 00:10:17,460 S1: myriad of think tanks who produce what we call white 193 00:10:17,500 --> 00:10:21,740 S1: paper reports. The then get distributed on Capitol Hill that 194 00:10:21,740 --> 00:10:25,260 S1: then become the stuff of which ideas stem that create 195 00:10:25,260 --> 00:10:28,300 S1: proposals for public policy. And then we have a series 196 00:10:28,300 --> 00:10:31,020 S1: of hearings on the Hill. And then if the hearing 197 00:10:31,020 --> 00:10:34,020 S1: gets enough traction, it then becomes a legislative proposal, then 198 00:10:34,020 --> 00:10:36,180 S1: it becomes a fully drafted bill, then it becomes a 199 00:10:36,179 --> 00:10:38,340 S1: vote in the House and the Senate. And then it's 200 00:10:38,340 --> 00:10:40,660 S1: either approved or disapproved by the president of the United States. 201 00:10:40,660 --> 00:10:42,940 S1: If approved, boom! It becomes a statutory and it becomes 202 00:10:42,940 --> 00:10:45,429 S1: the law of the land. So, in other words, ideas. 203 00:10:45,470 --> 00:10:48,270 S1: I'll just distill this for you. Ideas have consequences. Good 204 00:10:48,270 --> 00:10:51,590 S1: ideas have good consequences. Bad ideas have fill in the blank. Yep. 205 00:10:51,630 --> 00:10:55,110 S1: Bad consequences. So I love when people do research. I 206 00:10:55,110 --> 00:10:57,949 S1: love when people do survey as a follower of Jesus Christ, 207 00:10:58,150 --> 00:11:01,230 S1: because it helps me to be intentional and targeted for 208 00:11:01,230 --> 00:11:05,590 S1: my transcultural missionary experience. So when surveys get done, I 209 00:11:05,590 --> 00:11:08,190 S1: don't go, oh, yawn, it's just another white paper report. 210 00:11:08,190 --> 00:11:10,510 S1: I go, what can you tell me about the culture 211 00:11:10,510 --> 00:11:12,750 S1: in which I live and what people are thinking and 212 00:11:12,750 --> 00:11:15,110 S1: believing so I can be most effective for the gospel 213 00:11:15,110 --> 00:11:17,550 S1: of Jesus Christ? Well, I want you to know that 214 00:11:17,550 --> 00:11:20,230 S1: back to the Bible has just put out an absolutely fascinating, 215 00:11:20,230 --> 00:11:22,910 S1: somewhat disturbing. We'll get into that in a minute report 216 00:11:22,910 --> 00:11:26,270 S1: that I think bears are learning about. And I'm thrilled 217 00:11:26,270 --> 00:11:28,590 S1: I get to spend time with Doctor Ernie Cole. He's 218 00:11:28,590 --> 00:11:30,830 S1: the CEO of back to the Bible and chief research 219 00:11:30,830 --> 00:11:34,350 S1: officer of the center for Scriptural Absorption. Doctor Cole, what 220 00:11:34,390 --> 00:11:36,630 S1: an honor to spend time with you. Thank you so much. 221 00:11:37,070 --> 00:11:39,910 S1: First of all, a trigger point. Tell me why you 222 00:11:39,910 --> 00:11:41,910 S1: felt it was important to take a look at the 223 00:11:41,910 --> 00:11:45,410 S1: soaring Bible sales and whether it was having an impact 224 00:11:45,410 --> 00:11:47,050 S1: on believers and their lives. 225 00:11:48,010 --> 00:11:50,450 S11: Yeah. You know, Janet, thank you for having me on 226 00:11:50,450 --> 00:11:54,770 S11: the program, by the way. Um, Bible sales are definitely up. Um, 227 00:11:54,770 --> 00:11:57,850 S11: and so we were very interested in knowing, well, does 228 00:11:57,850 --> 00:12:01,450 S11: that mean life transformation is up? And, you know, you 229 00:12:01,450 --> 00:12:04,969 S11: have people like Jelly Roll, uh, Greg, Laurie, all these 230 00:12:04,970 --> 00:12:08,890 S11: people saying, man, I think we've got maybe a revival 231 00:12:08,929 --> 00:12:13,450 S11: going on. So, um, we decided to, um, take a 232 00:12:13,450 --> 00:12:18,410 S11: look at the state of Christianity in America, and we 233 00:12:18,410 --> 00:12:22,730 S11: did a general population study, um, of the US to 234 00:12:22,770 --> 00:12:27,610 S11: find out where people are in, uh, their, their walk, uh, 235 00:12:27,690 --> 00:12:28,970 S11: in Christianity. 236 00:12:29,450 --> 00:12:32,450 S1: Um, a brilliant idea. Can I just first of all, 237 00:12:32,730 --> 00:12:36,130 S1: your astute cultural observations. It's so interesting. If you listen 238 00:12:36,130 --> 00:12:39,210 S1: to the pre research and their ideas, they'll say, oh, 239 00:12:39,210 --> 00:12:42,100 S1: there's no evidence whatsoever a revival If you talk to 240 00:12:42,140 --> 00:12:45,339 S1: some ministries whose sole and single purpose is to impact 241 00:12:45,340 --> 00:12:48,179 S1: Christ and the gospel on college campuses, they will tell you, oh, 242 00:12:48,220 --> 00:12:51,700 S1: we're seeing record numbers. So we get a wide variety 243 00:12:51,700 --> 00:12:53,939 S1: of reports. But if we use as our metric the 244 00:12:53,980 --> 00:12:57,620 S1: sale of Bibles, it presupposes that there's already an interest 245 00:12:57,620 --> 00:13:00,540 S1: in Christ, or at least all things spiritual, or a 246 00:13:00,540 --> 00:13:03,260 S1: curiosity about what the Bible has to say. But what 247 00:13:03,260 --> 00:13:06,100 S1: you're saying is in this survey is that even though 248 00:13:06,100 --> 00:13:08,740 S1: there's an uptick in the sale of Bibles, we're not 249 00:13:08,740 --> 00:13:12,580 S1: seeing it as transformational in believers lives. First of all, 250 00:13:12,820 --> 00:13:15,180 S1: there's two questions in that. Number one, why do you 251 00:13:15,179 --> 00:13:16,740 S1: think the uptick in Bible sales? 252 00:13:18,020 --> 00:13:22,340 S11: So I think people are definitely interested in, uh, you know, 253 00:13:22,380 --> 00:13:26,459 S11: most surveys ask people, do they identify as a Christian? 254 00:13:26,660 --> 00:13:31,300 S11: And what we do is we ask people if, um, 255 00:13:31,300 --> 00:13:36,660 S11: your belief is producing measurable life change. So it's quite 256 00:13:36,660 --> 00:13:40,950 S11: a bit different than just asking someone point blank. Um, 257 00:13:40,990 --> 00:13:44,830 S11: if if they're a Christian. So people are definitely more 258 00:13:44,830 --> 00:13:50,150 S11: curious and we can say we don't have an access problem, um, 259 00:13:50,470 --> 00:13:53,630 S11: to the to the gospel. People can get the Bible 260 00:13:54,590 --> 00:14:00,229 S11: on their cell phones. I mean, uh, and people are buying, uh, Bibles. Um, 261 00:14:00,550 --> 00:14:04,230 S11: I think it's about 22%, but does that mean that 262 00:14:04,230 --> 00:14:07,350 S11: their lives are being transformed and that that's what we've 263 00:14:07,350 --> 00:14:08,110 S11: looked at? 264 00:14:08,150 --> 00:14:10,510 S1: Yeah. Amazing. And I'm going to get to that. Uh, 265 00:14:10,510 --> 00:14:13,350 S1: the outcomes and and how you're using metrics to measure 266 00:14:13,350 --> 00:14:16,550 S1: whether there's real transformation. But you point out that these 267 00:14:16,550 --> 00:14:18,750 S1: Bible cells that we've been talking about are at a 268 00:14:18,750 --> 00:14:22,870 S1: 20 year high. Now, maybe it's because I'm here in Babylon, 269 00:14:22,910 --> 00:14:25,430 S1: often referred to as Washington, D.C., but I'm interested in 270 00:14:25,430 --> 00:14:28,750 S1: cultural trends. So I wonder, and I'd love to hear 271 00:14:28,750 --> 00:14:30,990 S1: from a brother in the Lord like you, Doctor Cole. 272 00:14:31,030 --> 00:14:33,750 S1: Why do you think? Yes, it's a curiosity, but if 273 00:14:33,750 --> 00:14:36,710 S1: it's a 20 year high, what's happening in the world 274 00:14:36,710 --> 00:14:38,760 S1: around us that would make people think that the Bible 275 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,480 S1: now is something more than found in a drawer in 276 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:41,280 S1: a hotel room. 277 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:46,320 S11: I think people are curious. I think people do know 278 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,560 S11: what the Bible has to say. We talk a lot 279 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,920 S11: about Bible illiteracy, but in our survey, we found some 280 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:59,680 S11: pretty shocking things that, um, people know a lot about 281 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,440 S11: who Jesus is. It's just a lot of them don't 282 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:08,560 S11: follow him. So, uh, uh, Bible sales is one indicator. But, 283 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,760 S11: you know, even in the good old days, uh, we 284 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,080 S11: found that Christians owned four Bibles and never read them. 285 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:20,720 S11: So it's like, it's, um, it's definitely a step in 286 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,600 S11: the right direction, but it's just a baby step if 287 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,160 S11: if that makes sense. 288 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,400 S1: It makes perfect sense. So now and I'm so glad 289 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,520 S1: I have two segments with you because I'm so curious 290 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,040 S1: about this study. So how does one measure, particularly from 291 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,650 S1: your vantage point, Doctor Cole? How do you measure transformation 292 00:15:38,650 --> 00:15:40,530 S1: in a believer's life or in a reader's life? I 293 00:15:40,530 --> 00:15:42,610 S1: don't know yet that they're a believer, but if they've 294 00:15:42,610 --> 00:15:44,810 S1: bought that Bible, how do we look for you? And 295 00:15:44,810 --> 00:15:46,770 S1: I would call it fruit. But if I'm talking to 296 00:15:46,810 --> 00:15:49,490 S1: a secularist here in DC, how do I say, well, 297 00:15:49,490 --> 00:15:51,850 S1: this is evidence of a life that's been impacted by 298 00:15:51,850 --> 00:15:53,490 S1: what they read in the Bible. What do we use 299 00:15:53,490 --> 00:15:54,250 S1: as our metric? 300 00:15:54,890 --> 00:15:58,730 S11: Sure. So remember, we've been doing this now for 20 years. 301 00:15:58,730 --> 00:16:03,730 S11: So so what we look at is belief and discernment, um, 302 00:16:03,770 --> 00:16:09,970 S11: how they handle scripture practice and discipleship, life transformation and 303 00:16:09,970 --> 00:16:15,730 S11: then community engagement. And we ask people to rate themselves 304 00:16:15,730 --> 00:16:18,450 S11: so they're not rating their neighbor. It's just tell me 305 00:16:18,450 --> 00:16:22,370 S11: about you and your spiritual life. And then we do it, um, 306 00:16:22,370 --> 00:16:27,610 S11: like Gallup or Pew does, and with random selection across 307 00:16:27,610 --> 00:16:30,730 S11: all age groups. And then it's balanced. So it's truly 308 00:16:30,770 --> 00:16:36,060 S11: a scientific study that, uh, we've conducted. 309 00:16:36,260 --> 00:16:38,780 S1: Wow. Okay, so you said you've been doing this for years. 310 00:16:38,780 --> 00:16:40,940 S1: As I come up to a break, Doctor Cole, from 311 00:16:40,940 --> 00:16:44,900 S1: your vantage point, are you seeing drastic differences in the 312 00:16:44,900 --> 00:16:47,620 S1: metrics you're getting back now than you were ten, 15 313 00:16:47,620 --> 00:16:48,220 S1: years ago? 314 00:16:49,180 --> 00:16:49,700 S11: No. 315 00:16:50,140 --> 00:16:50,660 S1: Really? 316 00:16:51,340 --> 00:16:56,900 S11: Yeah. What? What is mind blowing is well, after the break. 317 00:16:59,060 --> 00:17:00,060 S11: It's mind blowing. 318 00:17:00,100 --> 00:17:02,660 S1: Yeah, that's what we call a tease, I love it. 319 00:17:02,700 --> 00:17:05,140 S1: It'll keep people hanging. What a privilege to spend time 320 00:17:05,140 --> 00:17:07,300 S1: with Doctor Cole. I love back to the Bible, by 321 00:17:07,300 --> 00:17:10,060 S1: the way. He is the CEO of that wonderful ministry 322 00:17:10,060 --> 00:17:12,859 S1: and also the chief research officer of the center for 323 00:17:12,859 --> 00:17:15,340 S1: Scripture Absorption. I've got a link, by the way, to 324 00:17:15,380 --> 00:17:17,420 S1: both of those on my website. This is a wake 325 00:17:17,420 --> 00:17:18,859 S1: up call for you and me. Did you hear what 326 00:17:18,859 --> 00:17:20,740 S1: Doctor Cole said? Okay, once upon a time we said 327 00:17:20,740 --> 00:17:23,260 S1: we had four Bibles. Now you had the devices that 328 00:17:23,260 --> 00:17:26,300 S1: we've got. We've got one on every floor in every room. 329 00:17:26,300 --> 00:17:28,500 S1: But if it's collecting dust and it doesn't change the 330 00:17:28,500 --> 00:17:30,220 S1: way you live, if you're not using it to be 331 00:17:30,220 --> 00:17:33,140 S1: conformed to transformed to the image of Christ, then what 332 00:17:33,140 --> 00:17:34,950 S1: is it? We're going to talk more with Doctor Cole 333 00:17:34,990 --> 00:17:53,510 S1: right after this. We are visiting with Doctor Cole, who 334 00:17:53,510 --> 00:17:55,710 S1: is the CEO of back to the Bible and chief 335 00:17:55,710 --> 00:17:59,430 S1: research officer of the center for Scripture Absorption. And they've 336 00:17:59,430 --> 00:18:02,030 S1: just put out a new survey that says, yes, Bible 337 00:18:02,070 --> 00:18:04,830 S1: tales are in fact soaring, but Christian identity is far 338 00:18:04,830 --> 00:18:08,750 S1: more symbolic than it is behavioral. So when last we met, 339 00:18:08,790 --> 00:18:10,750 S1: Doctor Cole, you talked about the fact that you've been 340 00:18:10,750 --> 00:18:13,469 S1: doing this for 20 years. But there's something particularly and 341 00:18:13,470 --> 00:18:16,550 S1: I love your words mind blowing about this most recent data. 342 00:18:16,550 --> 00:18:17,389 S1: Tell me about it. 343 00:18:17,790 --> 00:18:22,270 S11: Yeah. Check this out. So 72% of all Americans affirm 344 00:18:22,270 --> 00:18:28,270 S11: Christ's atoning death. The Holy Spirit's present. 67% recognize God 345 00:18:28,270 --> 00:18:34,840 S11: as the Trinity. 66% affirm the virgin birth, and that 66% 346 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:41,240 S11: affirmed Jesus's resurrection and 61% identify as followers of Jesus. 347 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,800 S11: But 50% of Americans never read the Bible according to themselves, 348 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:50,360 S11: and only 33% affirm that they are saved by grace 349 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:56,360 S11: alone and in engaging the Bible at a where they're really, uh, 350 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:01,840 S11: where it's transformative, you're down to 21%. And then those 351 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:06,080 S11: people that say their lives consistently align with God's standards 352 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:11,679 S11: is 13%. So really, what we see here is being 353 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,400 S11: right about God is not the same as being right 354 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,719 S11: with God. Like people. They've got the head knowledge they've got, 355 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,040 S11: they've got it down right. But they have decided not 356 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,840 S11: to follow Jesus. So it's just bizarre. 357 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,440 S1: It truly is. Okay, so I'm a firstborn and I'm 358 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,370 S1: a typical y person. I I want to know why 359 00:19:31,369 --> 00:19:33,850 S1: this happens. So just like here in DC, the data 360 00:19:33,850 --> 00:19:36,810 S1: is meaningless if the data isn't used as a catalyst 361 00:19:36,810 --> 00:19:40,050 S1: for some kind of a change. With this, quite frankly 362 00:19:40,050 --> 00:19:43,250 S1: heartbreaking information that says that there's. I'm glad you got 363 00:19:43,250 --> 00:19:45,250 S1: a Bible. That's wonderful. And I want you to remember, 364 00:19:45,250 --> 00:19:47,170 S1: faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. 365 00:19:47,170 --> 00:19:50,050 S1: But if it's not changing what we believe, why we 366 00:19:50,050 --> 00:19:53,210 S1: believe it, and how we behave, then what is taking place? 367 00:19:53,210 --> 00:19:54,570 S1: So how do we turn this around? 368 00:19:55,410 --> 00:19:59,250 S11: So what we're looking at is a lot of us how, um, 369 00:19:59,290 --> 00:20:03,850 S11: most of us have been raised as Christians is we 370 00:20:03,890 --> 00:20:07,730 S11: have been gotten the impression that someone else does a 371 00:20:07,730 --> 00:20:11,890 S11: far better job at sharing their faith than we do 372 00:20:11,930 --> 00:20:15,090 S11: we the individual. And that's why we. The other mind 373 00:20:15,130 --> 00:20:20,250 S11: blowing thing is when when it comes to discipleship, um, believers, 374 00:20:20,250 --> 00:20:23,650 S11: that is they they will talk to mentor, disciple someone 375 00:20:23,650 --> 00:20:31,700 S11: to the Jesus worldview 14.3% however non-believers who will mentor 376 00:20:31,740 --> 00:20:38,260 S11: or disciple is 13.8%. So really, we we share our 377 00:20:38,260 --> 00:20:43,300 S11: beliefs about as much as non-believers share their world view. Wow. 378 00:20:43,340 --> 00:20:49,020 S11: So we we have a tremendous bottleneck in not sharing 379 00:20:49,020 --> 00:20:53,540 S11: our faith with, um, with anyone. Oh, okay. We say 380 00:20:53,540 --> 00:20:56,340 S11: it's important, even though we say it's important. We just 381 00:20:56,340 --> 00:20:57,060 S11: don't do it. 382 00:20:57,380 --> 00:20:59,700 S1: Uh, and I'm on my soapbox because this is this 383 00:20:59,700 --> 00:21:01,739 S1: is such an issue for me, and I don't understand it. 384 00:21:01,740 --> 00:21:04,220 S1: And I'm looking at one of your graphs of self-reported 385 00:21:04,220 --> 00:21:07,260 S1: behaviors between the agrees and the disagrees. I find it 386 00:21:07,260 --> 00:21:10,859 S1: fascinating that there is an intersection of self-reported behaviors on 387 00:21:10,859 --> 00:21:15,179 S1: the quote I feel called to share about Jesus. Oh, good. 388 00:21:15,500 --> 00:21:17,300 S1: Then what are you doing about it? And then there's 389 00:21:17,340 --> 00:21:19,500 S1: a difference. And they begin to fall apart again. And 390 00:21:19,500 --> 00:21:21,620 S1: where they fall on the graph. So I loved what 391 00:21:21,619 --> 00:21:23,820 S1: you said about somebody else is supposed to do it. 392 00:21:23,859 --> 00:21:26,540 S1: I understand there might be the gift of evangelism, but 393 00:21:26,540 --> 00:21:29,310 S1: the Great Commission is still great, and every single one 394 00:21:29,310 --> 00:21:31,350 S1: of us is called to go and share our faith. 395 00:21:31,470 --> 00:21:34,310 S1: So then how do we get Christians to become. I mean, 396 00:21:34,350 --> 00:21:35,790 S1: it should be like fire in our bones. If I 397 00:21:35,790 --> 00:21:37,870 S1: can borrow from Jeremiah, we can't keep this good news 398 00:21:37,869 --> 00:21:40,350 S1: to ourselves. How do we get people to get excited? 399 00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:41,990 S1: I went to a church where I walked out the 400 00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:43,750 S1: door under a sign that said, you're now entering your 401 00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:47,189 S1: mission field. We've lost sight of weeping for the lost 402 00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:49,470 S1: and feeling passionate about sharing the good news. How do 403 00:21:49,470 --> 00:21:50,590 S1: we reinvigorate? 404 00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:53,510 S11: So what we're trying to do is we call it 405 00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:57,350 S11: spiritual fitness. And just like you want to get physically fit, 406 00:21:57,390 --> 00:22:01,270 S11: you've got to work on your spiritual life daily. And 407 00:22:01,270 --> 00:22:04,310 S11: and what we the research has shown is if you 408 00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:06,830 S11: can engage the Bible, it'll help you move closer to 409 00:22:06,830 --> 00:22:10,870 S11: Jesus today than you were yesterday. And then it's not 410 00:22:10,869 --> 00:22:13,790 S11: just about you, though. You need to share that with 411 00:22:13,790 --> 00:22:17,790 S11: someone else. So it becomes a daily habit in your 412 00:22:17,790 --> 00:22:22,190 S11: life of absorbing what Scripture had, taking it in, and 413 00:22:22,190 --> 00:22:26,800 S11: then breathing it out. We believe just this simple. Step 414 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:32,080 S11: two of life transformation will not only take place with yourself, 415 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,560 S11: but with someone else. 416 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,720 S1: Oh, I love that. And I love the way you 417 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:40,200 S1: underscore that. It isn't a methodology. It's not a systemic approach. 418 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,920 S1: It's breathing. It's in and out. You just can't keep 419 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,840 S1: the good news to yourself. So someone listening goes, okay, 420 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,679 S1: I'm going to start taking very seriously the directive to 421 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,240 S1: go and tell, but what do I start? I mean, 422 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:52,680 S1: I get in the book of numbers and I can't 423 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,320 S1: get past it. So where do I begin? How do 424 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:55,040 S1: I do this? 425 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,480 S11: I think it's a lifestyle of starting with where you 426 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,720 S11: are spiritually, and then reaching out to people that are 427 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,760 S11: just around you, and just talk about what you found 428 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,960 S11: today in the Bible or what applies to you. How 429 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,920 S11: Jesus has made a difference. It's not like you have 430 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:19,320 S11: a sales pitch or anything like that. It's just doing 431 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:24,160 S11: life as a Christ follower, which is, um, not keeping 432 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:28,290 S11: it to yourself for some reason. We've got this idea. 433 00:23:28,290 --> 00:23:32,570 S11: We have no business talking to other people about Jesus. 434 00:23:32,570 --> 00:23:36,570 S11: When the vast majority of people in America know who 435 00:23:36,570 --> 00:23:39,730 S11: Jesus is, they just don't follow him. And the reason 436 00:23:39,730 --> 00:23:42,130 S11: they don't follow him is because they don't know why 437 00:23:42,130 --> 00:23:42,850 S11: they should. 438 00:23:43,050 --> 00:23:43,690 S1: Exactly. 439 00:23:43,850 --> 00:23:46,369 S11: It's just bizarre. Bizarre. 440 00:23:47,090 --> 00:23:50,250 S1: And doesn't that indict us if we are living epistles, 441 00:23:50,250 --> 00:23:53,410 S1: if we are ambassadors for Christ as we are? As 442 00:23:53,410 --> 00:23:55,410 S1: my mom used to say, maybe the only Bible some 443 00:23:55,410 --> 00:23:58,010 S1: people will ever read are we, as it says on 444 00:23:58,010 --> 00:24:01,050 S1: the tomb of William Wilberforce at Westminster Cathedral. Are we 445 00:24:01,050 --> 00:24:04,130 S1: living our lives with the eloquence of the gospel? Are 446 00:24:04,130 --> 00:24:07,290 S1: people seeing in us something where they go? Who is 447 00:24:07,290 --> 00:24:09,810 S1: this Jesus? I want to know more about him. So 448 00:24:10,050 --> 00:24:13,169 S1: what a challenge for the church. Yes, guilty as charged. 449 00:24:13,170 --> 00:24:16,330 S1: But now it's. It's an opportunity to a sin sick, fallen, 450 00:24:16,369 --> 00:24:19,690 S1: hurting world. We have the opportunity to really just. And 451 00:24:19,690 --> 00:24:22,409 S1: I wrote it down doing life as a Christ follower. 452 00:24:22,410 --> 00:24:25,100 S1: I love that Doctor Cole. Just breathing in, breathing out. 453 00:24:25,100 --> 00:24:27,859 S1: But it all starts by getting in the word. Don't 454 00:24:27,859 --> 00:24:31,220 S1: just own it. Own it. Get into it and let 455 00:24:31,220 --> 00:24:33,380 S1: the truth of the scriptures be written on the tablets 456 00:24:33,380 --> 00:24:35,300 S1: of your heart. I'll tell you, once you start getting 457 00:24:35,300 --> 00:24:38,060 S1: into the word, it is well you can't be satisfied 458 00:24:38,060 --> 00:24:39,699 S1: with one day. You can't wait to get back to 459 00:24:39,740 --> 00:24:42,180 S1: the word the next day. So start right now. Doctor Cole, 460 00:24:42,220 --> 00:24:44,820 S1: bless you for all you do. Thank you. We'll be back. Friends. 461 00:24:55,619 --> 00:24:57,460 S1: Going through life with the Bible in one hand and 462 00:24:57,460 --> 00:24:59,340 S1: the newspaper and the other is essential for each of 463 00:24:59,340 --> 00:25:01,020 S1: us on our walk with Christ. And that's what we 464 00:25:01,020 --> 00:25:04,220 S1: do on in the market. We examine culture, interpret the headlines, 465 00:25:04,220 --> 00:25:06,580 S1: and look at the news from a biblical perspective. When 466 00:25:06,580 --> 00:25:09,380 S1: you become a partial partner, you're directly responsible for putting 467 00:25:09,380 --> 00:25:11,780 S1: this program on the air. Reaching men and women across 468 00:25:11,780 --> 00:25:14,780 S1: America with the practical application of God's Word. Become a 469 00:25:14,780 --> 00:25:18,260 S1: partial partner today by calling 877 Janet 58 or go 470 00:25:18,260 --> 00:25:22,790 S1: to in the market with Janet. Oh, I've been looking 471 00:25:22,790 --> 00:25:25,630 S1: forward to this conversation with my dear friend, Doctor Mitch Glazer, 472 00:25:25,630 --> 00:25:29,190 S1: who is the president and Chief Executive officer of one 473 00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:32,750 S1: of my favorite ministries, Chosen People Ministries. I want you 474 00:25:32,750 --> 00:25:35,669 S1: to know that Mitch writes and talks widely on Jewish 475 00:25:35,670 --> 00:25:39,230 S1: evangelism and Messianic Judaism, and he and his precious wife 476 00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:42,230 S1: have labored for more than 50 years in ministry among 477 00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:45,350 S1: the Jewish people. They just released a new survey that 478 00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:47,830 S1: takes a look at evangelicals and where we stand on 479 00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:49,710 S1: the subject of Israel, and I can't wait to dive 480 00:25:49,710 --> 00:25:53,670 S1: into that. But oh, no, Mitch, I'm not going there first. First. Shalom, friend, 481 00:25:53,910 --> 00:25:56,510 S1: and tell me you have boots on the ground. You 482 00:25:56,510 --> 00:25:58,149 S1: have boots on the ground in Israel. Tell me what 483 00:25:58,150 --> 00:26:00,910 S1: happened when you woke up Saturday morning and Operation Epic 484 00:26:00,950 --> 00:26:03,150 S1: Fury had started. What went through your heart and mind? 485 00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:06,990 S12: Well, Israel, seven hours ahead. So I woke up pretty early. Janet. 486 00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:11,910 S12: The the message. The messages were coming fast and furious 487 00:26:11,910 --> 00:26:13,470 S12: by 3 or 4 in the morning. 488 00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:13,950 S1: Wow. 489 00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:17,950 S12: Well, I mean, we have about 25 staff members in Israel, 490 00:26:17,950 --> 00:26:21,960 S12: and God's really been blessing the work there. and it's 491 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:27,840 S12: been nothing but incredible tension even before June when we, uh, 492 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,160 S12: because of all the rockets coming in, people were getting 493 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,240 S12: used to a lifestyle of going in and out of 494 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,720 S12: bomb shelters. Then there was a 12 day war with Iran, 495 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,159 S12: and one of those missiles actually hit our new messianic 496 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,720 S12: center in Tel Aviv that we had just developed. Of 497 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,680 S12: all the places, of all the places, why did God 498 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,120 S12: love us so much to allow us to be hit? 499 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,120 S12: I mean, I mean, it's really incredible, but but and 500 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,000 S12: I had a group of 70, uh, tourists with me 501 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,320 S12: dedicating the center, and we couldn't get out of Israel. 502 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,080 S12: So we actually escaped through Jordan. And then and then 503 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,600 S12: we were able to fly out. So. And we went 504 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,960 S12: to Mount Pisgah on one day when we were in Amman, 505 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,639 S12: we had a couple of days there waiting for flights. 506 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,680 S12: And I realized now that I'm the new anti Moses Janet, 507 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,770 S12: you know, I'm taking people out of the promised Land 508 00:27:20,810 --> 00:27:22,129 S12: in Jordan. 509 00:27:22,450 --> 00:27:23,650 S1: Backwards. Exactly. 510 00:27:24,090 --> 00:27:26,929 S12: It's a little backwards. I've always been a little afraid 511 00:27:26,930 --> 00:27:29,410 S12: of Moses when I meet him. And this is going 512 00:27:29,450 --> 00:27:33,250 S12: to be worse, you know. But but, you know, then 513 00:27:33,250 --> 00:27:36,170 S12: there was a little bit of peace, and we were 514 00:27:36,369 --> 00:27:41,369 S12: all caught up with rebuilding and rebuilding. And then, of course, uh, we, 515 00:27:41,570 --> 00:27:44,930 S12: you know, we're not privy to everything that's going on. Uh, 516 00:27:45,010 --> 00:27:49,450 S12: secretly and privately between nations. And we have leaders who 517 00:27:49,450 --> 00:27:54,090 S12: are not not us. And then all of a sudden, uh, 518 00:27:54,330 --> 00:27:57,730 S12: you know, we had the attack, uh, on, on Iran. 519 00:27:57,730 --> 00:28:03,369 S12: And then, of course, Iran retaliated and, uh, and, uh, 520 00:28:03,369 --> 00:28:08,330 S12: it was just so odd, Janet, because usually our enemies 521 00:28:08,330 --> 00:28:11,050 S12: attack us on Saturday because it's Sabbath. 522 00:28:11,090 --> 00:28:11,730 S1: Yes. 523 00:28:12,530 --> 00:28:15,850 S12: They, you know, we're all resting and they attack, you know, 524 00:28:15,890 --> 00:28:18,940 S12: and it makes it harder. October 7th was on a Sabbath, 525 00:28:18,980 --> 00:28:22,340 S12: you know. But this was not only a Sabbath, it 526 00:28:22,340 --> 00:28:26,900 S12: was just before Purim. And Purim, of course, is the celebration, 527 00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:31,100 S12: the great celebration where we we get dressed up and 528 00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:33,780 S12: have a good time. And the rabbis tell us actually 529 00:28:33,780 --> 00:28:36,700 S12: to get so drunk we can't tell the difference between 530 00:28:36,740 --> 00:28:40,420 S12: Haman and Mordecai. Some of us don't do that. But 531 00:28:40,980 --> 00:28:44,940 S12: but the point of it is, is that God preserved us. 532 00:28:45,180 --> 00:28:47,620 S12: From who? From our enemies. Who were the enemies? The 533 00:28:47,620 --> 00:28:52,900 S12: Persian Empire, and instead gave Mordecai a favored place. Favored 534 00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:56,060 S12: place by the end of the Book of Esther. You see, 535 00:28:56,100 --> 00:29:00,860 S12: God had completely turned things around. And Hammond. Hammond died 536 00:29:00,860 --> 00:29:04,620 S12: on the gallows that were intended for Mordecai. And we 537 00:29:04,620 --> 00:29:07,660 S12: saw God. Even though God's name is not mentioned in 538 00:29:07,660 --> 00:29:10,540 S12: the Book of Esther, we see his hand handprint on 539 00:29:10,580 --> 00:29:14,220 S12: absolutely everything. And so I think that's an important lesson. 540 00:29:14,220 --> 00:29:17,470 S12: And it's not lost even on Jewish people that don't 541 00:29:17,470 --> 00:29:19,470 S12: know the Lord, because they do read the Book of 542 00:29:19,470 --> 00:29:23,510 S12: Esther on Purim, uh, and all through the night. Really. 543 00:29:23,670 --> 00:29:27,830 S12: And we know that God is still in control and 544 00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:31,310 S12: God is in control. But, you know, people are dying. Uh, 545 00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:35,510 S12: people are dying on the Israeli side much more than, uh, 546 00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:39,950 S12: in the interim bombings, uh, in the bombings before October 7th, 547 00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:44,350 S12: of course. October 7th. 1200 Israelis died. But then. So 548 00:29:44,350 --> 00:29:48,510 S12: right now, uh, our our staff is in bomb shelters. 549 00:29:48,510 --> 00:29:52,390 S12: I call them my, my international Israeli youth group because 550 00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:55,710 S12: they're all so young. Israel is a very young country, 551 00:29:56,150 --> 00:29:58,710 S12: and a lot of them have small children. These kids 552 00:29:58,710 --> 00:30:01,190 S12: are not going to school. These kids are not sleeping. 553 00:30:01,590 --> 00:30:04,790 S12: Some of these kids have allergies to mold in bomb shelters. 554 00:30:05,030 --> 00:30:08,270 S12: I mean, uh, the adults are, you know, they're trying 555 00:30:08,270 --> 00:30:10,990 S12: to share the gospel in their local bomb shelters. And 556 00:30:11,030 --> 00:30:12,990 S12: if they don't have it in there, and even if 557 00:30:12,990 --> 00:30:16,240 S12: they have it in their apartment. You know, a bomb shelter. 558 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,240 S12: The one in Beit Shemesh that was blown up was 559 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,200 S12: a bomb shelter. It was a bomb shelter under a synagogue. 560 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,600 S12: And there was a direct hit by an Iranian ballistic 561 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,920 S12: missile on a bomb shelter, and almost ten people died. And, uh, 562 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,880 S12: so this kind of scares the daylights out of people. 563 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,880 S12: And so we're doing our best. We can't we can't 564 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:44,740 S12: do our ministry realistically, because you basically only have ten 565 00:30:44,740 --> 00:30:47,320 S12: minutes to get back to the bomb shelter. So people 566 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,120 S12: go out for a breath of fresh air and then 567 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,320 S12: go right back in. So that's where we are right now, Janet. 568 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,800 S12: And so I hope that you'll pray for our staff 569 00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:00,480 S12: and pray for Israelis, because this is intolerable. And, you know, 570 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,120 S12: I'm praying that this is going to, you know, really 571 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,400 S12: make a difference so that Israelis don't have to live 572 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:11,880 S12: like this. And so that all those Iranians, to a 573 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,210 S12: lot of lot of believers among them these days. But 574 00:31:15,210 --> 00:31:18,290 S12: so we're just hoping and praying that we'll all be 575 00:31:18,290 --> 00:31:23,930 S12: set free from this terrible tyranny of, uh, of the ayatollahs. 576 00:31:24,290 --> 00:31:27,370 S1: Yes. Amen. Well, you answered one question, which is I 577 00:31:27,370 --> 00:31:29,489 S1: know it's rough, but praise be to God that the 578 00:31:29,490 --> 00:31:32,850 S1: 25 staffers are okay at this point. But I want 579 00:31:32,890 --> 00:31:35,090 S1: to go back to the center. You know, I pray 580 00:31:35,090 --> 00:31:39,050 S1: for this center. I've been lovingly supporting this center. Is 581 00:31:39,050 --> 00:31:41,050 S1: it going to be rebuilt? What's happening to it? 582 00:31:41,610 --> 00:31:44,969 S12: Well, it's in a it's in a building that's 32 583 00:31:45,010 --> 00:31:49,930 S12: floors of two bedroom, very expensive condominium in an incredible 584 00:31:49,930 --> 00:31:53,450 S12: spot in Tel Aviv. Right on, right on the light rail. 585 00:31:53,850 --> 00:31:59,970 S12: And so it the missiles, the missile took out one 586 00:31:59,970 --> 00:32:02,410 S12: side of the building and the garage, and there was 587 00:32:02,410 --> 00:32:05,690 S12: another commercial unit at the bottom, where we have one 588 00:32:05,690 --> 00:32:11,580 S12: commercial unit of 4500ft², which was beautifully done. And, uh, 589 00:32:11,580 --> 00:32:16,140 S12: and so we actually had probably the least damage because 590 00:32:16,140 --> 00:32:18,540 S12: we were on the other side of the missile, but 591 00:32:18,540 --> 00:32:20,500 S12: we still had to put quite a bit of money 592 00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:23,340 S12: and fix it up. Maybe the government will reimburse us. 593 00:32:23,380 --> 00:32:25,260 S12: You know, they've got a lot of they got a 594 00:32:25,300 --> 00:32:28,700 S12: lot of fish to fry. The Israeli government. And so 595 00:32:28,900 --> 00:32:31,660 S12: they've got they're going to spend tens of millions of 596 00:32:31,660 --> 00:32:35,900 S12: dollars fixing the building. And so they keep saying one year, 597 00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:38,420 S12: which in New York, Jewish language means two, two and 598 00:32:38,420 --> 00:32:43,260 S12: a half years, you know, and but it's it's okay, 599 00:32:43,300 --> 00:32:46,420 S12: you know, because we never let our rental place go. 600 00:32:46,820 --> 00:32:52,260 S12: And so we had this place will seat 65 comfortably, comfortably, 601 00:32:52,620 --> 00:32:58,620 S12: 75 comfortably, but illegally. And, uh, and so I'm in 602 00:32:58,620 --> 00:33:02,780 S12: another country. I can confess my sins. And so, Janet, 603 00:33:02,780 --> 00:33:05,020 S12: the other night, we had a messianic singing group in 604 00:33:05,020 --> 00:33:08,500 S12: there called Sowelu. They're incredible. And we had over 100 kids. 605 00:33:08,540 --> 00:33:12,390 S12: I mean, the average age probably was 25. And a 606 00:33:12,430 --> 00:33:16,270 S12: lot of unbelievers and, you know, it was it was 607 00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:20,270 S12: I wasn't there. But I I've been to similar events. 608 00:33:20,510 --> 00:33:22,870 S12: And so God is still blessing. We're still able to 609 00:33:22,910 --> 00:33:27,750 S12: do our ministry. But, you know, we we we lost we, 610 00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:33,150 S12: we were going to have about we had 600 boxes 611 00:33:33,150 --> 00:33:37,670 S12: of presents, which is customary on Purim. And we had 612 00:33:37,710 --> 00:33:43,390 S12: we had children's events all over Israel planned. And well, 613 00:33:43,910 --> 00:33:49,030 S12: we now have 600 presents boxes. And if anybody's interested 614 00:33:49,030 --> 00:33:52,030 S12: in one, let me know. And so we'll try and 615 00:33:52,030 --> 00:33:54,630 S12: get them out. But but our, our, our folks are 616 00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:57,510 S12: so faithful and so dedicated. And you know, we have 617 00:33:57,510 --> 00:33:59,630 S12: a whole bunch of moody graduates among them. 618 00:33:59,630 --> 00:34:02,950 S1: I know I'm thrilled. I'm absolutely thrilled. So what is 619 00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:06,270 S1: the general atmosphere? It's so wonderful to have the story 620 00:34:06,270 --> 00:34:09,050 S1: behind the headlines, because that's where the real stories are anyway. 621 00:34:09,410 --> 00:34:12,450 S1: So is there a feeling among the Jewish people right 622 00:34:12,450 --> 00:34:15,969 S1: now that they're glad that this is happening? Because Iran 623 00:34:15,969 --> 00:34:18,690 S1: is an existential threat always. So they're glad that this 624 00:34:18,690 --> 00:34:19,370 S1: is happening? 625 00:34:20,050 --> 00:34:24,330 S12: Absolutely. Yeah. No, they everybody knows what's going on, you know, 626 00:34:24,370 --> 00:34:28,529 S12: and this is I mean, we've had enough, you know, because, 627 00:34:28,930 --> 00:34:32,930 S12: you know, Iran has done it a few times, but 628 00:34:32,930 --> 00:34:36,730 S12: their proxies, who they've been supplying are terrible. And so, 629 00:34:37,010 --> 00:34:39,250 S12: you know, I keep hearing the word about it's a 630 00:34:39,290 --> 00:34:44,650 S12: brutal word, but it's decapitating the leadership, you know. And 631 00:34:45,010 --> 00:34:48,969 S12: but I understand it. You know, it's gruesome. But but 632 00:34:49,010 --> 00:34:52,450 S12: you've you've got to take them down from, from the top. 633 00:34:52,770 --> 00:34:56,489 S12: And then you might have some years of, of some 634 00:34:56,489 --> 00:35:00,650 S12: kind of peace. Now if there's a regime change, you know, 635 00:35:01,170 --> 00:35:04,009 S12: you know, we'll throw a party. But but I but 636 00:35:04,010 --> 00:35:09,500 S12: I don't know because their young people are there in 637 00:35:09,500 --> 00:35:14,380 S12: an echo chamber. They're in a a, not a normal, 638 00:35:14,420 --> 00:35:18,380 S12: even Islamic echo chamber. They're in some kind of death cult, 639 00:35:18,380 --> 00:35:22,219 S12: Islamic echo chamber. And and so these kids are going 640 00:35:22,219 --> 00:35:27,460 S12: to grow up hating Israelis and hating America and everything else. But, 641 00:35:27,580 --> 00:35:29,980 S12: you know, I pray for peace. The Prince of Peace 642 00:35:30,020 --> 00:35:31,779 S12: is going to bring peace, and it's going to be 643 00:35:31,780 --> 00:35:35,779 S12: a permanent peace. And, uh, and I can't wait for 644 00:35:35,820 --> 00:35:39,460 S12: that day. But I think that we have to be realistic. 645 00:35:39,660 --> 00:35:43,500 S12: And so every time we can, so to speak, by 646 00:35:43,540 --> 00:35:46,819 S12: some years or months even of peace right now in 647 00:35:46,820 --> 00:35:49,299 S12: this world, that's a that's a good thing and a 648 00:35:49,300 --> 00:35:52,339 S12: wonderful thing. And I'm so sorry that it's coming at 649 00:35:52,380 --> 00:35:58,620 S12: the cost of, of, of people's lives and especially, uh, the, 650 00:35:58,820 --> 00:36:01,819 S12: the American soldiers that have died. I mean, we're so 651 00:36:01,820 --> 00:36:02,820 S12: grateful for them. 652 00:36:02,980 --> 00:36:05,910 S1: Yes. Amen. I'm so glad you said that, much? Wow. 653 00:36:06,110 --> 00:36:08,629 S1: I did not allocate enough time for this conversation. So much. 654 00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:10,549 S1: I want to ask you when we come back, I'm 655 00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:13,950 S1: dying to hear about this survey. Because since October 7th, 656 00:36:13,989 --> 00:36:16,710 S1: I mean, anti-Semitism has never gone away. It's as old 657 00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:19,910 S1: as day one, so that doesn't surprise me. What does 658 00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:24,750 S1: surprise me is the shocking uptick in anti-Semitism post October 7th, 2023. 659 00:36:24,910 --> 00:36:27,549 S1: And then the way this anti-Semitism is working its way 660 00:36:27,550 --> 00:36:31,310 S1: into the right politically, okay. But it's working its way 661 00:36:31,310 --> 00:36:34,550 S1: into the church as well. This is stunning to me. 662 00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:36,670 S1: So I really want to find out about your survey 663 00:36:36,670 --> 00:36:39,469 S1: and what your results shown. Doctor Mitch Glazer is with us. 664 00:36:39,469 --> 00:36:41,790 S1: He's with Chosen People Ministries. I have a link on 665 00:36:41,790 --> 00:36:44,149 S1: my website. Love this ministry. Love the work they're doing 666 00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:47,150 S1: in Israel. Check it out. They're worth your prayerful consideration 667 00:36:47,150 --> 00:36:57,350 S1: of support back after this. We're talking with Doctor Mitch Glazer, 668 00:36:57,350 --> 00:37:00,469 S1: who is the president and CEO of Chosen People Ministries, 669 00:37:00,469 --> 00:37:03,190 S1: and they commissioned a survey that took a look at 670 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,040 S1: evangelicals and where they stand on Israel, and I can't 671 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,680 S1: wait for you to share the results with our audience. 672 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:09,600 S1: So what did you find? 673 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,560 S12: It's a bit surprising, and there's some really good news 674 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,719 S12: in it, actually. Janet. That actually surprised me. Shocked me actually. 675 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,840 S12: First of all, we defined evangelical by the National Association 676 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,160 S12: of Evangelicals definition of an evangelical, because a lot of 677 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,240 S12: people can say they're evangelical, but we don't know, uh, 678 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,160 S12: if they really are. So we we went with these 679 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,200 S12: four questions. So before we interviewed them about the issues, 680 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,839 S12: we interviewed them about their faith. So one is the 681 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,279 S12: Bible is the highest authority for what we believe. It's 682 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,200 S12: very important for me to personally encourage non-Christians to trust 683 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,960 S12: Jesus Christ as their Savior. Jesus death on the cross 684 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,600 S12: is the only sacrifice that could remove the penalty of 685 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,440 S12: my sin, and only those who trust in Jesus Christ 686 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,720 S12: alone as their Savior, receive God's free gift of eternal salvation. 687 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,400 S12: You know, I mean, a lot of us would say 688 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,930 S12: in one way or the other, but it's a those 689 00:38:02,930 --> 00:38:06,450 S12: are very good for pillars on which on which to 690 00:38:06,489 --> 00:38:12,370 S12: build a survey, because we also did mainstream Protestants and 691 00:38:12,410 --> 00:38:19,129 S12: we and then there were evangelicals who were self self-defining evangelicals. 692 00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:22,970 S12: So we were able to mark a difference between, uh, 693 00:38:23,290 --> 00:38:27,770 S12: quote unquote, Protestants or those who might be loosely, evangelicals 694 00:38:27,770 --> 00:38:30,970 S12: that could not totally agree with our four statements, though 695 00:38:30,969 --> 00:38:34,490 S12: that's beyond me. But it's true. And so, uh, here's 696 00:38:34,489 --> 00:38:39,529 S12: what we found out. This is shocking. Uh, let me 697 00:38:39,530 --> 00:38:42,169 S12: start with one that nobody would have expected us to 698 00:38:42,210 --> 00:38:46,850 S12: maybe to ask, but, uh, there's this. Remember, the guys 699 00:38:46,850 --> 00:38:49,010 S12: who are doing these surveys for us are not believers, 700 00:38:49,010 --> 00:38:51,529 S12: so they have no skin in the game. They're very objective. 701 00:38:51,850 --> 00:38:55,489 S12: They're both academics. One runs the summer school programs at 702 00:38:55,489 --> 00:38:58,049 S12: Boston University. It's a huge job. Another one is a 703 00:38:58,050 --> 00:39:02,780 S12: professor of Hebrew. He's an an Israeli graduate of Hebrew University, 704 00:39:02,820 --> 00:39:07,100 S12: and he's a professor at University of North Carolina. And 705 00:39:07,100 --> 00:39:11,100 S12: so there is this thought among people that Christians only 706 00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:15,980 S12: love the Jewish people if they get converted because because 707 00:39:15,980 --> 00:39:19,540 S12: if they're converted, then the more they're converted. Then there 708 00:39:19,540 --> 00:39:22,220 S12: is this understanding that when the Jews come to Christ, 709 00:39:22,219 --> 00:39:26,220 S12: Christ returns. And so, uh, and that's what my survey 710 00:39:26,260 --> 00:39:29,939 S12: guys believed. And one of them called me up and said, Mitch, 711 00:39:29,980 --> 00:39:31,980 S12: we found something out in this survey, and I think 712 00:39:32,020 --> 00:39:35,939 S12: I've been wrong and I'm just stunned. I apologize for 713 00:39:35,940 --> 00:39:39,819 S12: thinking less of Christians. And I said, well, what was it? 714 00:39:40,180 --> 00:39:43,180 S12: And here it is. We asked Christian. We found out 715 00:39:43,180 --> 00:39:47,020 S12: that Christians love and support Jewish people, whether or not 716 00:39:47,020 --> 00:39:52,180 S12: they accept Jesus as their Messiah. So we did get 717 00:39:52,180 --> 00:39:57,620 S12: that among those who signed the knee statement that salvation 718 00:39:57,620 --> 00:40:00,950 S12: is in Christ alone. So that's clear. They want Jews 719 00:40:00,950 --> 00:40:05,589 S12: to believe in Jesus. But if they don't believe in Jesus. 87% 720 00:40:06,110 --> 00:40:10,430 S12: agreed that we should still love and support the Jewish people, 721 00:40:10,430 --> 00:40:12,910 S12: whether they believe in Jesus or not. And I got 722 00:40:12,910 --> 00:40:15,430 S12: to tell you, I don't often say it, but I 723 00:40:15,469 --> 00:40:17,590 S12: am one proud evangelical Janet. 724 00:40:17,870 --> 00:40:18,870 S1: Yes, Amen. 725 00:40:19,390 --> 00:40:22,910 S12: I hope I hold down the kosher wing of the evangelicals, 726 00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:26,989 S12: you know. But but I am really, really proud. And 727 00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:30,910 S12: there's a basis for why people said this, and it's astounding. 728 00:40:31,390 --> 00:40:34,550 S12: We asked, do you believe God's covenant? And we defined 729 00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:37,470 S12: it as the Abrahamic covenant? Do you believe God's covenant 730 00:40:37,469 --> 00:40:40,790 S12: with the Jewish people remains intact today? So this would 731 00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:44,350 S12: mean that they'd have to believe in the, um, in 732 00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:49,549 S12: in the ongoing nature of the Abrahamic covenant, that it's unconditional. 733 00:40:49,590 --> 00:40:53,670 S12: It's God's responsibility to turn the Jewish people to himself 734 00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:58,160 S12: and belief, and that the land, the land is not 735 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,680 S12: does not belong to the Jewish people because they deserve it. 736 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,080 S12: The land belongs to the Jewish people because God gave 737 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,360 S12: it to the Jewish people. Okay. And and so here's, 738 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:14,120 S12: here's the number from the evangelicals. 70%. 739 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:15,200 S1: Wow. 740 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:21,040 S12: Wow. 70% and 20% didn't say no. They said, I 741 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:26,320 S12: don't know. And so, I mean, I was so shocked 742 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,880 S12: I couldn't believe it. And then another one was, and 743 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,400 S12: I think this would be extended into the war with Iran. 744 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,560 S12: Do you believe Israel was justified in responding militarily after 745 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,239 S12: the Hamas attacks on October 7th? Because that's where a 746 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:43,640 S12: lot of the anti-Semitism. 747 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:44,840 S1: Exactly. Yeah. 748 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,640 S12: You know, proportionality. Israel reacted too harshly. They were killing 749 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,319 S12: little children. And, you know, and, of course, those little, 750 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,960 S12: little children were being used as human shields, which people forgot, 751 00:41:56,330 --> 00:42:02,210 S12: Didn't remember. But here's the number on on responding. Just 752 00:42:02,210 --> 00:42:05,570 S12: when you think that all so many evangelicals or Christians 753 00:42:05,570 --> 00:42:10,730 S12: are beginning to believe that anti-Semitism is the proper posture 754 00:42:10,730 --> 00:42:13,450 S12: in all these things, and that Jewish people have been 755 00:42:13,489 --> 00:42:18,129 S12: acting morally and ethically? Uh, terribly really. And so what 756 00:42:18,130 --> 00:42:21,930 S12: we found out is that between the partially justified and 757 00:42:21,930 --> 00:42:26,970 S12: completely justified on the part of evangelicals, 75%. 758 00:42:27,570 --> 00:42:27,970 S3: Wow. 759 00:42:29,410 --> 00:42:30,370 S1: That is stunning. 760 00:42:30,969 --> 00:42:34,730 S12: It is stunning, isn't it? And so and I was really. Listen, 761 00:42:34,730 --> 00:42:37,370 S12: I'm Jewish, Jen, and I always expect the shoe to drop, 762 00:42:37,410 --> 00:42:41,210 S12: you know? And, you know, never get suckered in by 763 00:42:41,250 --> 00:42:43,410 S12: by the shoes being okay, you know? You know, it's 764 00:42:43,410 --> 00:42:45,770 S12: going to fall. And then there was. And then there 765 00:42:45,770 --> 00:42:49,850 S12: was another one which, uh, we stuck in because we 766 00:42:49,850 --> 00:42:52,490 S12: know a lot of the young people are really concerned 767 00:42:52,810 --> 00:42:57,860 S12: about these issues. And actually some of the older people 768 00:42:57,900 --> 00:43:00,820 S12: like me, you know, are concerned about these things too, 769 00:43:00,860 --> 00:43:04,819 S12: you know, and that's this Christian support for Israel can 770 00:43:04,820 --> 00:43:07,620 S12: be grounded in concern for the dignity and rights of 771 00:43:07,620 --> 00:43:11,860 S12: all peoples in the Holy Land. In other words, Israelis, 772 00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:18,299 S12: Christians do care about Palestinians. And Janet, that number was 80%. 773 00:43:18,860 --> 00:43:19,260 S1: Wow. 774 00:43:20,180 --> 00:43:23,060 S12: And so those who think that we just blindly care 775 00:43:23,060 --> 00:43:28,020 S12: about Israel, irrespective of these issues, they're just dead wrong. 776 00:43:28,060 --> 00:43:30,540 S1: Yeah, exactly. And it's not reflective of any ministry that 777 00:43:30,540 --> 00:43:32,500 S1: works in that part of the world either. I mean, 778 00:43:32,500 --> 00:43:34,620 S1: that's what boots on the ground show all the time. 779 00:43:34,780 --> 00:43:37,300 S1: So what's the takeaway for this? It's a good news story, 780 00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:42,180 S1: and yet it's palpable that there's anti-Semitism at marked increase 781 00:43:42,180 --> 00:43:45,660 S1: and predicated so much of it on really rotten theology. 782 00:43:45,660 --> 00:43:47,660 S1: So how do we stem the tide here and make 783 00:43:47,660 --> 00:43:49,660 S1: the numbers 100% in all categories? 784 00:43:50,780 --> 00:43:55,110 S12: I don't know, category being between 20 and 30% is encouraging. 785 00:43:55,350 --> 00:43:59,470 S12: So it means there's an educational opportunity. So chosen people, 786 00:43:59,469 --> 00:44:04,070 S12: ministries and great organizations and teaching institutions like Moody Bible 787 00:44:04,070 --> 00:44:08,549 S12: Institute have an opportunity because we have we believe the 788 00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:11,950 S12: same way about God's unconditional covenant for the Jewish people 789 00:44:11,950 --> 00:44:14,109 S12: in the future of the Jewish people. So we need 790 00:44:14,110 --> 00:44:17,469 S12: to do everything we can to teach our brothers and sisters, 791 00:44:17,469 --> 00:44:22,230 S12: particularly the younger people who, by the way, over 53% 792 00:44:22,270 --> 00:44:24,029 S12: say that they favor Israel. 793 00:44:24,350 --> 00:44:28,430 S1: Wow. That's stunning. Mitch. Thank you. What a fascinating survey 794 00:44:28,430 --> 00:44:30,670 S1: and hope there. But as you say, let's look at 795 00:44:30,670 --> 00:44:32,950 S1: this also as an opportunity. There's some gaps that have 796 00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:35,030 S1: to be closed. And that can be done through sound 797 00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:40,149 S1: Bible teaching and supporting wonderful ministries like yours. Chosen PEOPLE.com. 798 00:44:40,190 --> 00:44:42,950 S1: Chosen PEOPLE.com. I've also got a link to an article 799 00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:44,989 S1: from Chosen People called What Does the Bible Say about 800 00:44:44,989 --> 00:44:47,469 S1: Israel's Future? Take the time to read it. Lord bless you. 801 00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:49,590 S1: Mention all that you do. See you next time, friends.