1 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,039 S1: Welcome to a new week here on Chris Fabry Live 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,680 S1: in a conversation today that might just help transform your life. 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,720 S1: And I don't say that lightly. I think our guest 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:18,080 S1: today has something to say that has the potential to 5 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,640 S1: be a game changer for you and me. You've had 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:23,840 S1: a lot of conversations here at the back fence about 7 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:28,080 S1: decluttering your closet and paring down your possessions, and figuring 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,680 S1: out how to tame the paper on our desks. That's 9 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:36,240 S1: my bailiwick. The email inbox, your office, your living room, 10 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,120 S1: the pantry. You've heard that here. Today, we go deeper 11 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:44,800 S1: than just uncluttering the spaces we inhabit to focusing on 12 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,160 S1: our souls. How do we live freely without the accumulation 13 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:53,000 S1: of stuff that society tells us makes us successful? Our 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,480 S1: guest today says this as Christians, we are swimming in 15 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,120 S1: a culture of materialism, but it feels so normal and 16 00:00:59,150 --> 00:01:03,510 S1: And expected. We don't realize we're drowning in it. Sacrificing 17 00:01:03,510 --> 00:01:07,350 S1: the fullness of life to it. We need to reassess 18 00:01:07,350 --> 00:01:11,270 S1: our situation and grab on to a life buoy and 19 00:01:11,270 --> 00:01:16,510 S1: let it pull us to safety. That life buoy is minimalism, 20 00:01:16,510 --> 00:01:20,750 S1: methodically and deliberately taking a different course with our money 21 00:01:20,750 --> 00:01:26,630 S1: and possessions than the model presented by society. Joshua Becker 22 00:01:26,630 --> 00:01:29,990 S1: is standing by with our featured resource. It's a really 23 00:01:29,990 --> 00:01:33,949 S1: good one. It's his new book, uncluttered Faith own Less, 24 00:01:33,950 --> 00:01:38,270 S1: Love More and Make an impact in Your World. There's 25 00:01:38,270 --> 00:01:41,910 S1: a reason why this was a New York Times instant bestseller, 26 00:01:41,910 --> 00:01:43,470 S1: and you're going to hear about it straight ahead on 27 00:01:43,470 --> 00:01:45,709 S1: the program. From the heart to the heart for the heart. 28 00:01:45,830 --> 00:01:48,830 S1: Let me thank our team. Ryan McConaughey doing all things technical. 29 00:01:48,870 --> 00:01:51,710 S1: Trish is our producer. Lisa's helping out. Josh is going 30 00:01:51,710 --> 00:01:53,590 S1: to be answering your calls. We will open the phone 31 00:01:53,590 --> 00:01:57,350 S1: lines about the topic today because I'm. I'm guessing you 32 00:01:57,350 --> 00:02:01,070 S1: have questions and comments. But before we get to that, 33 00:02:01,070 --> 00:02:02,990 S1: if you were one of those who contributed to our 34 00:02:02,990 --> 00:02:06,310 S1: spring share campaign on Moody Radio last week, thank you, 35 00:02:06,310 --> 00:02:09,190 S1: thank you, thank you. I realize not everybody heard that, 36 00:02:09,590 --> 00:02:13,390 S1: but it was so encouraging to hear stories from you 37 00:02:13,590 --> 00:02:17,230 S1: of people who have benefited from the programs you've heard 38 00:02:17,230 --> 00:02:20,270 S1: on Moody Radio through the years. So if you didn't 39 00:02:20,270 --> 00:02:23,310 S1: have a chance to respond to that, go to chris.org. 40 00:02:23,350 --> 00:02:25,630 S1: Scroll down. You'll see how you can become a friend 41 00:02:25,630 --> 00:02:28,990 S1: or a partner right there and receive the latest book. 42 00:02:28,990 --> 00:02:32,070 S1: Our thank you from Colleen Chow on our way home. 43 00:02:32,270 --> 00:02:36,270 S1: Peek through the shadows of this world into the solid 44 00:02:36,270 --> 00:02:39,989 S1: realities to come. Give a gift of any size again 45 00:02:40,030 --> 00:02:47,030 S1: at Chris Fabry live.org. Or you can call 86695. And 46 00:02:47,030 --> 00:02:49,109 S1: thank you for your support. That allows us to have 47 00:02:49,110 --> 00:02:51,550 S1: conversations like the one we're going to have today with 48 00:02:51,550 --> 00:02:56,590 S1: Joshua Becker. He is the founder and editor of Becoming Minimalist, 49 00:02:56,940 --> 00:03:00,540 S1: a website dedicated to inspiring others to find more life 50 00:03:00,540 --> 00:03:04,500 S1: by owning less. Let me say it again. Find more. 51 00:03:04,500 --> 00:03:08,579 S1: Life by owning less. He's also the founder of the 52 00:03:08,620 --> 00:03:13,220 S1: Hope effect, a non-profit changing how the world cares for orphans. 53 00:03:13,460 --> 00:03:17,260 S1: He's written the more of Less Things That Matter, The 54 00:03:17,260 --> 00:03:21,180 S1: Minimalist Home and several other books, including the one we're 55 00:03:21,180 --> 00:03:25,900 S1: talking about today, uncluttered Faith. He lives in Peoria, Arizona, 56 00:03:25,900 --> 00:03:29,619 S1: which is on the other side of Phoenix from me, 57 00:03:29,740 --> 00:03:34,260 S1: and he has his wife and two children, adult children. 58 00:03:34,260 --> 00:03:36,780 S1: And Joshua Becker. It's a great pleasure to welcome you. 59 00:03:36,820 --> 00:03:37,740 S1: How are you doing today? 60 00:03:38,700 --> 00:03:41,980 S2: Well, I am doing fabulous and the pleasure is mine. 61 00:03:41,980 --> 00:03:43,980 S2: Thank you so much. You are right. This is a 62 00:03:43,980 --> 00:03:49,220 S2: very important, life changing conversation for us as individuals and 63 00:03:49,220 --> 00:03:51,980 S2: for the church as a whole. So thank you for this. 64 00:03:52,220 --> 00:03:54,900 S1: Tell me the Joshua Becker story. Go back as far 65 00:03:54,900 --> 00:03:55,770 S1: as you want. 66 00:03:57,210 --> 00:04:01,130 S2: Oh, as far back as I want. Let's see. Um, 67 00:04:01,250 --> 00:04:06,970 S2: I grew up in Aberdeen, South Dakota. Uh, my grandfather 68 00:04:06,970 --> 00:04:12,450 S2: was a pastor for 78 years in South Dakota. Harold 69 00:04:12,450 --> 00:04:16,730 S2: Salem uh, that was my mom's side. My dad's side 70 00:04:16,730 --> 00:04:20,530 S2: of the family were farmers. Uh, my dad became a banker. 71 00:04:21,810 --> 00:04:24,650 S2: I went to college to go into banking. Uh, when 72 00:04:24,650 --> 00:04:26,969 S2: I had a year and a half left in my 73 00:04:26,970 --> 00:04:30,570 S2: college degree. I felt God called me into ministry. And 74 00:04:30,570 --> 00:04:34,010 S2: so I, uh, followed rather than my dad's path. I 75 00:04:34,050 --> 00:04:37,370 S2: followed my grandfather's path. And I was a pastor for 76 00:04:37,370 --> 00:04:41,490 S2: 15 years. Uh, 13 years into the process, I was 77 00:04:41,490 --> 00:04:45,890 S2: introduced to minimalism and my life changed dramatically. 78 00:04:46,290 --> 00:04:51,729 S1: HMM. All right. And that happened in 2008, I believe. Uh, 79 00:04:51,730 --> 00:04:54,920 S1: Memorial Day weekend, in a sense. Take me back to that. 80 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:01,600 S2: So 2008 a mid. I'm in my mid 30s. My 81 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,800 S2: son Salem is five. My daughter is two. I like 82 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,960 S2: to tell the story that I grew up going to church, 83 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:13,240 S2: but it took my unbelieving neighbor to introduce me to 84 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:18,720 S2: what Jesus had been saying about money and possessions all along. Uh, 85 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,120 S2: we're living in Vermont. It had been this long winter. 86 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,960 S2: My wife and I woke up to do our spring cleaning. 87 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,359 S2: My son was five. I had this vision of him 88 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,480 S2: helping his father clean out the garage. After this long winter. 89 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,480 S2: We were going to have this amazing Saturday together, cleaning 90 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,760 S2: out the garage. He lasted about 30s and ran into 91 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,440 S2: the backyard to play. Asked me to come play catch 92 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,520 S2: with him. I declined. I was. My mission was to 93 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,279 S2: clean the garage that day. Uh. Hours later, I'm still 94 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,440 S2: working on the same garage. My son is asking me 95 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,039 S2: every 20 30 minutes if I'm finished, if I can 96 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:02,000 S2: come out and play. My neighbor notices what is happening 97 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,720 S2: and we struck up a conversation. One time. She was 98 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,320 S2: doing all of her yard work at the time, and 99 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,400 S2: I complained a little bit about how much had gone 100 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,360 S2: into my project of cleaning out the garage. And she 101 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,320 S2: changes my life with one sentence. She says, you know, 102 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,599 S2: that's why my daughter is a minimalist. She keeps telling 103 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:26,039 S2: me I don't need to own all this stuff. And 104 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,200 S2: I remember looking at the pile of dirty, dusty possessions 105 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,760 S2: I'd pulled out of the garage. I would have said, 106 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,400 S2: just like anybody else, my possessions weren't making me happy. 107 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,800 S2: I'm not looking for happiness in my possessions. But out 108 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,080 S2: of the corner of my eye, I saw my five 109 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,600 S2: year old son swinging alone on the swing set in 110 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,400 S2: the backyard where he had been all morning long, and 111 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,550 S2: I suddenly realized that not only were my possessions not 112 00:06:52,550 --> 00:06:56,390 S2: making me happy. But even worse, all the things I 113 00:06:56,390 --> 00:07:00,630 S2: had accumulated were actually taking me away from the very 114 00:07:00,670 --> 00:07:04,750 S2: thing they did bring me happiness and meaning and purpose 115 00:07:04,750 --> 00:07:08,430 S2: and fulfillment, significance and joy. And so that was the 116 00:07:08,430 --> 00:07:11,270 S2: story of discovering minimalism. And I think that is when 117 00:07:11,270 --> 00:07:14,870 S2: minimalism makes sense. It's when we realize that all the 118 00:07:14,870 --> 00:07:19,790 S2: money and time we have spent accumulating and pursuing physical 119 00:07:19,790 --> 00:07:23,070 S2: possessions are distracting us from the life we wish we 120 00:07:23,070 --> 00:07:24,310 S2: were living instead. 121 00:07:25,710 --> 00:07:29,510 S1: Has it surprised you? The response to your website, to 122 00:07:29,550 --> 00:07:33,510 S1: your books, your writing? Uh, and and how popular this 123 00:07:33,510 --> 00:07:34,230 S1: has become? 124 00:07:35,630 --> 00:07:41,670 S2: Yes, absolutely. Um, I guess probably if I had been 125 00:07:41,670 --> 00:07:45,310 S2: pressed at the time, I would have thought to myself, 126 00:07:45,310 --> 00:07:48,230 S2: this isn't just a me issue. This is a problem 127 00:07:48,230 --> 00:07:50,820 S2: that a lot of people have in the world. But 128 00:07:50,820 --> 00:07:53,620 S2: I started the website, so I got introduced to minimalism 129 00:07:53,620 --> 00:07:57,100 S2: on the Saturday. By Monday I had started the website 130 00:07:57,100 --> 00:08:00,740 S2: and it was just going to be an online diary, 131 00:08:00,820 --> 00:08:03,620 S2: a journal. What we are getting rid of, what we 132 00:08:03,660 --> 00:08:06,980 S2: are keeping, what I was learning along the way. But 133 00:08:06,980 --> 00:08:09,900 S2: more and more people resonated with the story and started 134 00:08:09,900 --> 00:08:13,940 S2: reading the website and it just grew and grew. Um, 135 00:08:14,940 --> 00:08:17,220 S2: three and a half years. We'll take that back. Five 136 00:08:17,220 --> 00:08:22,460 S2: years later. Um, I began writing full time about minimalism, 137 00:08:22,460 --> 00:08:26,220 S2: inviting people to own less stuff. And, um, something about 138 00:08:26,220 --> 00:08:31,100 S2: my story resonates with people and I thank God for it. And, um, 139 00:08:31,100 --> 00:08:34,980 S2: somehow he uses a broken person like me to introduce 140 00:08:34,980 --> 00:08:38,420 S2: people to the distraction that possessions have become in our lives. 141 00:08:38,820 --> 00:08:41,220 S1: What did you do with the stuff in the garage 142 00:08:41,220 --> 00:08:43,540 S1: that day? Then did it start that day? 143 00:08:45,380 --> 00:08:48,699 S2: Uh, most yeah, it did start that day, but not 144 00:08:48,740 --> 00:08:51,940 S2: all the stuff in the garage. All the stuff in 145 00:08:51,940 --> 00:08:57,620 S2: the garage went back in. The very first minimizing decluttering 146 00:08:57,620 --> 00:09:01,620 S2: project was my car. Both of our cars, if you 147 00:09:01,620 --> 00:09:04,740 S2: can picture it, I pulled the cars out to clean 148 00:09:04,740 --> 00:09:07,900 S2: out the garage. Just put everything back in and I 149 00:09:07,940 --> 00:09:10,180 S2: pulled my cars back in at the end of the day, 150 00:09:10,179 --> 00:09:13,859 S2: and I just noticed all the stuff in my car 151 00:09:13,900 --> 00:09:17,819 S2: that didn't need to be there. Coins and pens and 152 00:09:17,820 --> 00:09:23,500 S2: receipts and CDs and Happy Meal toys in the backseat 153 00:09:23,500 --> 00:09:27,020 S2: and ketchup packets. And I just took everything out of 154 00:09:27,059 --> 00:09:29,179 S2: both of the cars that didn't need to be there. 155 00:09:29,179 --> 00:09:32,660 S2: And that was literally the start of, of the process 156 00:09:32,660 --> 00:09:33,260 S2: for us. 157 00:09:33,740 --> 00:09:36,939 S1: Would your son, who was five at that time, would 158 00:09:36,940 --> 00:09:41,340 S1: your son say dad was a different dad to me 159 00:09:41,380 --> 00:09:42,380 S1: after that day? 160 00:09:45,580 --> 00:09:48,250 S2: Well, he was five, so what have you been able 161 00:09:48,250 --> 00:09:53,290 S2: to articulate that I'm. I'm not sure. Um, certainly by 162 00:09:53,450 --> 00:09:57,290 S2: the end of the summer, um, we were able to 163 00:09:57,290 --> 00:10:01,170 S2: spend more time together as a family. Um, I was 164 00:10:01,170 --> 00:10:04,490 S2: more focused on him, uh, more focused on my daughter, 165 00:10:04,490 --> 00:10:08,450 S2: more focused on spending time together. It's, it's really unbelievable 166 00:10:08,450 --> 00:10:12,490 S2: that change that happens in our lives when we intentionally 167 00:10:12,490 --> 00:10:16,810 S2: own less stuff. The amount of time that goes into 168 00:10:16,809 --> 00:10:21,330 S2: our possessions, most people have no idea. Statistics tell us 169 00:10:21,330 --> 00:10:25,890 S2: that the average American spends two hours a day on 170 00:10:25,929 --> 00:10:32,570 S2: their physical possessions, whether it's shopping, cleaning, organizing. Um, we 171 00:10:32,570 --> 00:10:35,130 S2: own so much stuff, it's become more of a burden 172 00:10:35,130 --> 00:10:39,170 S2: than we realize until we start to actually remove them 173 00:10:39,570 --> 00:10:41,969 S2: and we start to get back some of that time 174 00:10:41,970 --> 00:10:43,569 S2: that has been wasted. 175 00:10:43,809 --> 00:10:46,640 S1: Yes. So today I want to talk about how to 176 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,760 S1: do that. But before we talk about the how, I 177 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,760 S1: want you to talk about what it does on the inside, 178 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:58,240 S1: what it frees us up to move toward. And you've 179 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:02,360 S1: written about that very well in the book, uncluttered Faith, 180 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,320 S1: own Less, Love More and make an impact on your world. 181 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,000 S1: Joshua Becker is our guest today. You can find click 182 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:15,360 S1: through today's information@chris.org, and you'll see a link right there 183 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,840 S1: to uncluttered Faith and his website as well. And I'm 184 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,360 S1: going to open the lines if this resonates with you, 185 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:36,400 S1: I have a question. Comment (877) 548-3675. There's a reason why 186 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:40,080 S1: every time we do a program on decluttering your life, 187 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,640 S1: we get a number of people who say, that's it. That's, 188 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,959 S1: that's what I'm struggling with. You have all of these 189 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,760 S1: disorganized piles in your house and you can't get you 190 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,080 S1: can't do what you were made to do because of 191 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,680 S1: all the stuff that's holding you back. And so this 192 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,439 S1: conversation is taking us a little deeper, though, than just 193 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:05,040 S1: getting my desk cleared off or getting my email answered and, 194 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,840 S1: you know, have no messages in the email box. This 195 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,640 S1: is what Joshua Becker is talking about. Well, let me 196 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:17,600 S1: say what he says. He defines minimalism as the intentional 197 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:22,400 S1: promotion of the things we most value and the removal 198 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:26,079 S1: of everything that distracts us from it. He talks about 199 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:31,520 S1: that in uncluttered faith own less, love more, and make 200 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,560 S1: an impact in your world. And here is the thing 201 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,079 S1: that I sense from going through this, Joshua, and that is, 202 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,920 S1: this is a no judgement zone on other people's lives. 203 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:49,630 S1: You are not condemning anybody for having a lot of stuff. Um, 204 00:12:50,030 --> 00:12:54,030 S1: I don't get that. But you are gently urging us 205 00:12:54,030 --> 00:12:58,829 S1: to move toward that which Jesus talked about being the 206 00:12:58,830 --> 00:13:01,870 S1: abundant life. AM I getting you right? 207 00:13:03,429 --> 00:13:08,189 S2: I think you're nailing it perfectly, inviting us to better. 208 00:13:08,190 --> 00:13:10,030 S2: Which is what Jesus always did. 209 00:13:11,470 --> 00:13:14,470 S1: Uh, in uncluttered faith, I'm making the case that my 210 00:13:14,470 --> 00:13:18,870 S1: fellow Christians need minimalism. Not because it's a trendy topic 211 00:13:18,870 --> 00:13:23,550 S1: or because we're seeking self-actualization, but because it is God's 212 00:13:23,550 --> 00:13:26,830 S1: design for our lives. What do you mean by that? 213 00:13:26,830 --> 00:13:27,950 S1: God's design? 214 00:13:30,510 --> 00:13:35,630 S2: Well, the best way to explain it is we began 215 00:13:36,150 --> 00:13:41,340 S2: intentionally owning fewer things. We got rid of about 50 216 00:13:41,490 --> 00:13:45,900 S2: to 60% of our stuff over the course of nine months. 217 00:13:45,900 --> 00:13:48,179 S2: So this didn't happen in a week or two. It 218 00:13:48,179 --> 00:13:53,300 S2: was a long process, but as we started owning less stuff, 219 00:13:53,540 --> 00:14:00,980 S2: I started realizing some very practical, life giving benefits. And 220 00:14:00,980 --> 00:14:03,740 S2: they're not hard to think about if we are going 221 00:14:03,740 --> 00:14:05,820 S2: to own less stuff, it would mean that we would 222 00:14:05,820 --> 00:14:09,780 S2: have more money. We would have more time. We would 223 00:14:09,780 --> 00:14:13,620 S2: have fewer distractions. We would have less stress. We'd be 224 00:14:13,620 --> 00:14:16,179 S2: a better example for our kids. We could find more 225 00:14:16,179 --> 00:14:20,060 S2: opportunity for generosity and gratitude and contentment. All these good 226 00:14:20,060 --> 00:14:24,020 S2: things were coming into our lives, both as individuals and 227 00:14:24,020 --> 00:14:27,860 S2: as a family. As we were cleaning out, I don't know, 228 00:14:27,900 --> 00:14:30,500 S2: our third bathroom in the house that we used to 229 00:14:30,500 --> 00:14:34,300 S2: live in. I remember turning to Kim and I said, 230 00:14:34,860 --> 00:14:39,700 S2: where has minimalism been my entire life? Like all these 231 00:14:39,700 --> 00:14:44,530 S2: good things that have come into my life by owning less. 232 00:14:44,770 --> 00:14:47,570 S2: And yet, it wasn't until my mid 30s that anyone 233 00:14:47,570 --> 00:14:49,810 S2: introduced me to it. How come no one told me 234 00:14:50,210 --> 00:14:55,330 S2: about minimalism before? And I stopped myself about halfway through 235 00:14:55,370 --> 00:14:58,930 S2: the question, because it occurred to me that my neighbor 236 00:14:58,930 --> 00:15:04,090 S2: wasn't the first person to tell me about minimalism. Jesus 237 00:15:04,090 --> 00:15:08,490 S2: was saying the same thing 2000 years ago. Life is 238 00:15:08,490 --> 00:15:11,970 S2: not found in the abundance of possessions. He goes on 239 00:15:11,970 --> 00:15:14,250 S2: and on about sell your possessions and give to the 240 00:15:14,290 --> 00:15:16,730 S2: poor and come, follow me, and you'll have treasures in heaven. 241 00:15:16,730 --> 00:15:21,570 S2: And yet, for some reason, I had heard countless messages 242 00:15:21,570 --> 00:15:26,090 S2: about the evils of consumerism or materialism. I don't know 243 00:15:26,090 --> 00:15:29,850 S2: for some reason, everything Jesus said about getting rid of 244 00:15:29,850 --> 00:15:32,970 S2: our things or being more generous led me to think 245 00:15:32,970 --> 00:15:39,650 S2: he was inviting me to this boring, sacrificial life. Until 246 00:15:39,650 --> 00:15:45,610 S2: I started actually doing it in realizing no, Jesus just 247 00:15:45,610 --> 00:15:49,610 S2: had the better formula for life all along. He was 248 00:15:49,610 --> 00:15:52,690 S2: inviting us to something bigger and better than what the 249 00:15:52,690 --> 00:15:55,530 S2: world could ever offer you. 250 00:15:55,570 --> 00:15:58,850 S1: You begin the book with a story of a woman 251 00:15:58,850 --> 00:16:01,330 S1: who pulls into a big box store, and she's ready 252 00:16:01,330 --> 00:16:03,650 S1: to go in. And you can buy at this store, 253 00:16:03,650 --> 00:16:05,890 S1: you can buy clothing, you can buy groceries, you can 254 00:16:05,890 --> 00:16:09,010 S1: buy just about anything you need or that you want, 255 00:16:09,210 --> 00:16:12,330 S1: whether you need it or not. And so she's sitting 256 00:16:12,330 --> 00:16:14,690 S1: out there in the parking lot, and she's thinking about 257 00:16:14,690 --> 00:16:18,729 S1: her husband and her kids at home. Tell me that story. 258 00:16:20,890 --> 00:16:25,770 S2: Yeah. Amy Schlenker Smith, she tells a story of her 259 00:16:25,770 --> 00:16:28,610 S2: usual routine. As she would go to work, she would 260 00:16:28,610 --> 00:16:31,650 S2: pick up her son on the way home from daycare. 261 00:16:31,930 --> 00:16:33,730 S2: A lot of times she would stop at a store 262 00:16:33,730 --> 00:16:37,050 S2: on the way, and so she made her usual stop. 263 00:16:37,050 --> 00:16:40,600 S2: She gets out. It's raining. She's about to. Pull your. 264 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,280 S2: Pull her two year old out of the back seat. 265 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,480 S2: To walk into the store and she looks up at 266 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,640 S2: the logo through the rain. And she just thinks to herself, 267 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,720 S2: what am I doing? I don't need anything. From this 268 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:59,160 S2: store today. I have enough at home already. And she 269 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,560 S2: puts her son. Well, she never got her son back, 270 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,040 S2: but she gets back in the car and she drives home. 271 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,200 S2: And she said it was a life changing moment for her. 272 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:14,480 S2: The moment she decided, I don't need more stuff. I 273 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,520 S2: already have enough. And she talks about this transformation that 274 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,080 S2: happened not just in her family's life, but also in 275 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,520 S2: her spiritual life, and what happened when she had more 276 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,000 S2: time in the evenings and less focus on acquiring more 277 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:28,960 S2: and more stuff. 278 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:34,640 S1: So talk about that. Then talk about the advantages, because 279 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,270 S1: the more you have, the more it has a hold 280 00:17:38,270 --> 00:17:40,790 S1: on you, the more you have to, you know, the 281 00:17:40,790 --> 00:17:43,310 S1: nicer car you have, the more the more time you're 282 00:17:43,310 --> 00:17:46,469 S1: going to spend polishing it. And is that really how 283 00:17:46,470 --> 00:17:48,470 S1: you want to spend your life now and again? No 284 00:17:48,470 --> 00:17:51,390 S1: judgment there. If you polish your car, wonderful. You want 285 00:17:51,390 --> 00:17:54,030 S1: to take care of your the things that God has 286 00:17:54,030 --> 00:17:57,750 S1: blessed you with. But, but if you get down to 287 00:17:57,790 --> 00:18:00,390 S1: the very heart of your life, is that the way 288 00:18:00,390 --> 00:18:03,590 S1: that you want to spend your time? Is it it's 289 00:18:03,590 --> 00:18:07,070 S1: the things. Are they the most important thing in your life, 290 00:18:07,070 --> 00:18:10,790 S1: or are people more important or your relationship with God? 291 00:18:10,830 --> 00:18:11,710 S1: Talk about that. 292 00:18:13,109 --> 00:18:16,030 S2: Yeah. Well, a couple, couple things. Um, I mentioned the 293 00:18:16,030 --> 00:18:19,310 S2: stat earlier that the average American spends two hours a 294 00:18:19,310 --> 00:18:24,270 S2: day on their physical possessions. Uh, equally, the average American 295 00:18:24,270 --> 00:18:28,590 S2: spends ten minutes a day on their faith, uh, on 296 00:18:28,630 --> 00:18:31,710 S2: their faith practices. And that counts going to church and 297 00:18:31,710 --> 00:18:35,830 S2: individual disciplines as well. So two hours a day on 298 00:18:35,830 --> 00:18:40,669 S2: our things, ten minutes a day on knowing Christ and 299 00:18:40,670 --> 00:18:45,750 S2: following him. Um, there's a story, there's two parables in 300 00:18:45,790 --> 00:18:49,750 S2: Matthew chapter 13 that have a small part in the book. 301 00:18:49,750 --> 00:18:51,950 S2: But the more I talk about the book, the more 302 00:18:51,950 --> 00:18:55,550 S2: I come back to these parables. Most people know them well. 303 00:18:55,590 --> 00:18:59,469 S2: There's two parables side by side the parable of the 304 00:18:59,470 --> 00:19:03,629 S2: great treasure, the parable of the great Pearl. If you 305 00:19:03,630 --> 00:19:07,750 S2: know the stories, they're exactly the same. A man finds 306 00:19:07,750 --> 00:19:10,869 S2: a treasure, sells all of his things so that he 307 00:19:10,869 --> 00:19:13,950 S2: can buy the field that has the treasure. The merchant 308 00:19:13,950 --> 00:19:17,590 S2: discovers the great pearl sells all his other goods, so 309 00:19:17,590 --> 00:19:20,910 S2: he has the money to buy the great Pearl. And 310 00:19:20,910 --> 00:19:25,629 S2: we love those stories. We love the parables. We love 311 00:19:25,630 --> 00:19:30,550 S2: the idea that God's kingdom is bigger and better than 312 00:19:30,550 --> 00:19:34,260 S2: anything this world could ever offer, and it pales in 313 00:19:34,260 --> 00:19:38,260 S2: comparison to what God offers us in his kingdom. But 314 00:19:38,260 --> 00:19:41,580 S2: the part in the middle is the part that we 315 00:19:41,619 --> 00:19:45,580 S2: skip over so much. But I think it is Jesus's 316 00:19:45,660 --> 00:19:49,700 S2: main point, and that is that the man sold all 317 00:19:49,740 --> 00:19:53,460 S2: of his possessions, so he had the money to buy 318 00:19:53,460 --> 00:19:56,860 S2: the field. The merchant sold all of his other goods, 319 00:19:57,060 --> 00:20:00,419 S2: so he had the money to buy the pearl. We 320 00:20:00,580 --> 00:20:05,660 S2: so often try to hold on to both. We want 321 00:20:05,660 --> 00:20:08,820 S2: all that God offers us, but we're also holding on 322 00:20:08,859 --> 00:20:13,020 S2: to so much of the world. But Jesus parable is. 323 00:20:13,020 --> 00:20:18,020 S2: We can't afford both. Our hearts are too small to 324 00:20:18,060 --> 00:20:20,980 S2: hold on to both. And it's when we release the 325 00:20:20,980 --> 00:20:26,340 S2: world from our affections, from our attention, that we can 326 00:20:26,340 --> 00:20:29,300 S2: fully grasp what God wants to offer to us. 327 00:20:29,940 --> 00:20:31,860 S1: I think of the old song this world is not 328 00:20:31,859 --> 00:20:35,250 S1: my home. I'm just passing through. And if I took 329 00:20:35,250 --> 00:20:39,330 S1: a really hard look at my own life. Would those 330 00:20:39,330 --> 00:20:43,330 S1: people on the outside looking in say, yeah, he's just 331 00:20:43,330 --> 00:20:46,889 S1: passing through here? Or would they say, boy, he's he's 332 00:20:46,890 --> 00:20:50,409 S1: making up a pretty nice place. Pretty nice nest, a 333 00:20:50,450 --> 00:20:53,650 S1: pretty comfortable nest for himself here in this world that 334 00:20:53,650 --> 00:20:56,690 S1: he's just passing through. That's kind of what you're talking about. 335 00:20:57,609 --> 00:21:01,290 S2: It is. And again, in Luke chapter 12, we have 336 00:21:01,290 --> 00:21:05,970 S2: that exact story. Again, a parable. The farmer has a 337 00:21:05,970 --> 00:21:09,650 S2: really big harvest. And what does he do? He builds 338 00:21:09,690 --> 00:21:12,610 S2: a bigger house, he builds a bigger barn, and he 339 00:21:12,650 --> 00:21:15,930 S2: sits and he says, I've acquired enough. I'm going to eat, 340 00:21:15,930 --> 00:21:21,129 S2: drink and be merry. And in many ways, um, the 341 00:21:21,130 --> 00:21:24,850 S2: farmer is living the American dream. Like in many ways, 342 00:21:24,850 --> 00:21:28,530 S2: this is what we want for our lives. We want 343 00:21:28,530 --> 00:21:32,640 S2: to be really successful. We want to accumulate wealth. We 344 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,360 S2: want a big house. We want a big business. We 345 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,520 S2: want to retire as soon as we possibly can. But 346 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,720 S2: of course, if you know the story, um, God says 347 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,280 S2: that is a foolish way to live. Uh, and that night, his, 348 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,400 S2: his life is taken from him. And, uh, Jesus says, 349 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,320 S2: be on your guard against all kinds of greed because 350 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:57,600 S2: life does not consist in an abundance of possessions. And, um, 351 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,000 S2: I think in a lot of ways, um, if we're 352 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,720 S2: going to live like pilgrims, if we're going to live 353 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:07,400 S2: like we're just passing through this world, then, uh, where 354 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,600 S2: we spend our money and how big, how big of 355 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,880 S2: a kingdom we try to build for ourselves should change dramatically. 356 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,440 S1: Joshua Becker is with us today. Uncluttered Faith is our 357 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:24,080 S1: featured resource at Chris Dot. Take your calls here a 358 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,280 S1: little bit. If you have a question or a comment, 359 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:30,320 S1: maybe you've seen exactly what Joshua is talking about. But 360 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:31,960 S1: you don't know how to get from where you are 361 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,840 S1: to where you want to be. You don't know how 362 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:43,840 S1: to start the process. (877) 548-3675. What does uncluttering do to 363 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,600 S1: worry and anxiety? Does it have any effect at all? 364 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:56,600 S2: Yeah. In uncluttered faith, I go through 13 spiritual benefits 365 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,760 S2: that come into our lives when we live out Jesus's 366 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:05,240 S2: teachings on money and possessions. Uh, for me, it was 367 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,280 S2: I grew up in church hearing countless sermons about all 368 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,040 S2: the evils of materialism, but I don't know if I 369 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,440 S2: ever heard a pastor stand up and say, let me 370 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,040 S2: tell you about all the good things that happen when 371 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,560 S2: you intentionally own less. And so that's what I sought 372 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,880 S2: to do in the book very, like we mentioned earlier, Invitational. 373 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,710 S2: It invites us to a, to a better way of living. 374 00:23:29,070 --> 00:23:33,909 S2: It's really fascinating when you start seeing how many well 375 00:23:33,910 --> 00:23:39,669 S2: known passages, well-known verses have to do with teachings on 376 00:23:39,670 --> 00:23:43,590 S2: money and possessions, as if Jesus knew this was going 377 00:23:43,630 --> 00:23:46,950 S2: to be a problem for us, a problem for followers 378 00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:50,030 S2: of him from the very beginning. In that Luke chapter 379 00:23:50,030 --> 00:23:53,710 S2: 12 passage where, um, it starts out with the farmer 380 00:23:53,710 --> 00:23:56,390 S2: who builds the bigger barns and Jesus says, be on 381 00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:59,150 S2: guard against all kinds of greed. If you look at 382 00:23:59,150 --> 00:24:04,750 S2: the passage, Jesus continues teaching and he moves specifically into 383 00:24:04,790 --> 00:24:09,629 S2: talking about worry. His very next teaching is about not 384 00:24:09,630 --> 00:24:12,390 S2: to worry about what you eat or drink or wear. 385 00:24:12,430 --> 00:24:14,429 S2: The lilies of the field and the birds of the 386 00:24:14,430 --> 00:24:17,310 S2: air are taken care of, and it ends with seek 387 00:24:17,310 --> 00:24:19,630 S2: first the kingdom of God, and all these things will 388 00:24:19,630 --> 00:24:25,990 S2: be added unto you. Almost as if greed and worry 389 00:24:26,540 --> 00:24:32,220 S2: Produce the same effect on our lives when we're greedy. 390 00:24:32,460 --> 00:24:37,340 S2: We collect more than we need. When we worry, we 391 00:24:37,380 --> 00:24:41,899 S2: collect more than we need. And Jesus says the way 392 00:24:41,900 --> 00:24:45,139 S2: through this is trusting in me. The way through this 393 00:24:45,140 --> 00:24:49,340 S2: is owning what you need to fulfill your purpose here 394 00:24:49,340 --> 00:24:52,780 S2: on earth and trusting me to take care of you 395 00:24:52,780 --> 00:24:56,340 S2: going forward. And, uh, I have found that owning less 396 00:24:56,340 --> 00:25:00,100 S2: has changed my view of how much I need, uh, 397 00:25:00,100 --> 00:25:05,300 S2: who I'm trusting to provide for me. Um, both amazing benefits, 398 00:25:05,300 --> 00:25:11,780 S2: overcoming greed, overcoming worry, living more intentionally, having better relationships, uh, 399 00:25:11,780 --> 00:25:15,380 S2: seeing the way we do work differently, being more generous, uh, 400 00:25:15,380 --> 00:25:18,140 S2: all incredible benefits that come into our life that Jesus 401 00:25:18,140 --> 00:25:20,540 S2: offers and promises when we own less stuff. 402 00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:23,540 S1: MM. Joshua Becker is with us today. I'm going to 403 00:25:23,540 --> 00:25:30,659 S1: go to your calls after our break. Eight. (877) 548-3675. Uncluttered 404 00:25:30,660 --> 00:25:34,379 S1: Faith is his latest book. It just came out last month. 405 00:25:34,420 --> 00:25:39,980 S1: Own less, love more and make an impact in your world. 406 00:25:40,180 --> 00:25:45,660 S1: Just click today's information right there. Chris Fabry dot your 407 00:25:45,660 --> 00:25:49,700 S1: calls and more with Joshua Becker straight ahead on Moody Radio. 408 00:26:04,340 --> 00:26:08,179 S1: Uncluttered Faith is the title of Joshua Becker's book on 409 00:26:08,180 --> 00:26:11,820 S1: less love, More and Make an Impact in Your World. 410 00:26:11,820 --> 00:26:16,020 S1: It's our featured resource, Chris Fabry live, so get several 411 00:26:16,020 --> 00:26:19,180 S1: copies and put them on your on your shelf. No, no, 412 00:26:19,220 --> 00:26:22,900 S1: that's not it. You read this well, there are ways 413 00:26:22,900 --> 00:26:26,010 S1: that you can now own books without having them take 414 00:26:26,050 --> 00:26:28,129 S1: up any space at all if you get them digitally. 415 00:26:28,210 --> 00:26:30,650 S1: I prefer to be able to hold a book in 416 00:26:30,650 --> 00:26:33,770 S1: my own hand, but that's me. Um, and I love 417 00:26:33,770 --> 00:26:36,290 S1: this comment. We had a caller who couldn't hang on. 418 00:26:36,290 --> 00:26:39,409 S1: She says, after hearing your conversation today, I was really 419 00:26:39,410 --> 00:26:45,129 S1: bothered because I've accumulated so many crafting supplies. So I 420 00:26:45,130 --> 00:26:48,490 S1: can just imagine all of the the yarn and the 421 00:26:48,490 --> 00:26:51,410 S1: material that she has and whatever the room. And then 422 00:26:51,410 --> 00:26:54,170 S1: she said, but I asked the Lord about it and 423 00:26:54,170 --> 00:26:56,370 S1: I felt him saying, if I can pass it on 424 00:26:56,369 --> 00:26:59,810 S1: and someone else can use it, it's not a waste. Um, 425 00:27:00,050 --> 00:27:03,050 S1: so it sounds like in her heart that the crafting, 426 00:27:03,050 --> 00:27:07,050 S1: the things that she has accumulated craft wise are not 427 00:27:07,050 --> 00:27:11,490 S1: for her. It's her heart is to, to, to make 428 00:27:11,530 --> 00:27:14,689 S1: or to give to others. So what do you say 429 00:27:14,690 --> 00:27:16,530 S1: to our friend who called Joshua? 430 00:27:18,690 --> 00:27:23,040 S2: Well, hobbies are very important to us and everybody has 431 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:29,240 S2: different hobbies. Um, it happens very often that, uh, we 432 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:34,680 S2: do less of the hobby and more collecting of the 433 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:39,240 S2: stuff to do the hobby. I think it's just the, 434 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,119 S2: the more is better mentality that is all around us 435 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,960 S2: in the world and constantly tells us. And so you 436 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,080 S2: see it with not just yarn stuff, but camping gear. 437 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,280 S2: I can think of tons of stories of people who 438 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,840 S2: bought all this stuff to go camping and never really 439 00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:00,520 S2: did much camping or tools or whatever your hobby might be. 440 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,320 S2: So that is the first thought I think is an 441 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,160 S2: important one to have. Like, am I just collecting the stuff? 442 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,000 S2: Have I collected more than I need to enjoy this hobby? 443 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,120 S2: And then certainly I think passing it on, uh, regardless 444 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,520 S2: whether it's, I do the craft and I pass it 445 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,920 S2: on or I'm passing on the yarn to someone who's 446 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,669 S2: just getting into the hobby or who would need it. 447 00:28:23,230 --> 00:28:27,070 S2: One other thing she said. I forget the specific phrase. 448 00:28:27,070 --> 00:28:30,030 S2: Maybe you can remind me. I feel bad or something, 449 00:28:30,030 --> 00:28:31,270 S2: she said at the beginning. 450 00:28:31,390 --> 00:28:32,270 S1: Really bothered. 451 00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:37,470 S2: And I bothered. Yeah, I think that happens a lot 452 00:28:37,630 --> 00:28:42,990 S2: when we start minimizing our possessions. When we start decluttering, 453 00:28:42,990 --> 00:28:45,430 S2: there's a lot that we bought that we didn't need, 454 00:28:45,470 --> 00:28:47,270 S2: a lot that we held on to for a long 455 00:28:47,270 --> 00:28:51,710 S2: time that we didn't need. And rather than feeling bothered 456 00:28:51,710 --> 00:28:55,830 S2: or regret or feel guilty, I think we should find 457 00:28:55,870 --> 00:28:59,310 S2: pride in the change that we're making and the person 458 00:28:59,310 --> 00:29:01,150 S2: that we are becoming. And so it might just be 459 00:29:01,150 --> 00:29:05,830 S2: a more healthy redirection of her attention into who she's becoming, 460 00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:08,910 S2: rather than who she was when she bought all this stuff, 461 00:29:08,910 --> 00:29:11,430 S2: which you can't unsee by now anyway. 462 00:29:12,150 --> 00:29:16,310 S1: You know, that's really important. The guilt or the shame. 463 00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:19,790 S1: I've got all this stuff and that shame can keep 464 00:29:19,790 --> 00:29:23,470 S1: you back from hold you back from doing something, from 465 00:29:23,470 --> 00:29:25,310 S1: moving forward. And that's what I hear from a lot 466 00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:28,350 S1: of people. I've kept these magazine articles or I kept 467 00:29:28,350 --> 00:29:30,230 S1: these books for all this time. It's like, I can't 468 00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:34,550 S1: let go of them because I've invested so much in them. 469 00:29:34,750 --> 00:29:38,590 S1: And that's kind of a lie of the enemy to 470 00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:42,590 S1: keep you hanging on rather than to opening your hands up. Right? 471 00:29:43,710 --> 00:29:47,070 S2: Yeah, it is true. You know, a big source of 472 00:29:47,270 --> 00:29:53,190 S2: clutter in our lives is possessions that we needed, that 473 00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:57,830 S2: we used, that we had during a past season of 474 00:29:57,830 --> 00:30:01,150 S2: life that might have served us. It might not have. 475 00:30:01,190 --> 00:30:04,670 S2: Maybe the season was a season we loved. Maybe it 476 00:30:04,670 --> 00:30:07,310 S2: was a season that didn't turn out the way we 477 00:30:07,310 --> 00:30:10,750 S2: wanted it to. But the older we get, the more 478 00:30:10,750 --> 00:30:15,870 S2: we hold on to things from our past seasons of life. 479 00:30:16,510 --> 00:30:20,100 S2: The more of a burden they become in the present 480 00:30:20,100 --> 00:30:23,700 S2: season and the future season. And so I think it 481 00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:27,780 S2: is wise to think to ourselves, hey, I needed that 482 00:30:27,780 --> 00:30:30,860 S2: back then. But in order for me to live my 483 00:30:30,860 --> 00:30:33,820 S2: best life today, to make the most of this current 484 00:30:33,820 --> 00:30:37,540 S2: season of life, to accomplish what God wants to do 485 00:30:37,580 --> 00:30:41,300 S2: through me during this next season of life. I can't 486 00:30:41,300 --> 00:30:45,020 S2: carry it all with me. Um, I don't know. I 487 00:30:45,020 --> 00:30:47,180 S2: think in a lot of ways that's the, that's the 488 00:30:47,180 --> 00:30:49,980 S2: story of the, of the rich young ruler, right? Comes 489 00:30:49,980 --> 00:30:52,940 S2: up to Jesus and Jesus is like, if you want 490 00:30:52,980 --> 00:30:55,300 S2: to follow me, you got to sell your stuff and 491 00:30:55,300 --> 00:30:57,540 S2: give to the poor. Come follow me. You'll have treasures 492 00:30:57,540 --> 00:31:01,580 S2: in heaven. Um, almost as if to say, we can't 493 00:31:01,580 --> 00:31:05,340 S2: follow Jesus and carry as much of the world as 494 00:31:05,380 --> 00:31:07,340 S2: we're trying to carry along the way. 495 00:31:07,740 --> 00:31:12,540 S1: MM. And in a sense, it's an investment. Invest in 496 00:31:12,820 --> 00:31:17,100 S1: in the kingdom rather than in the here and now. 497 00:31:17,730 --> 00:31:21,210 S1: and and what you're saying is this opens up, this 498 00:31:21,210 --> 00:31:24,530 S1: opens up your own heart to see, to begin to 499 00:31:24,570 --> 00:31:28,130 S1: see the world and and the people around you as 500 00:31:28,130 --> 00:31:34,890 S1: God sees them, rather than the possessions that narrow your vision. Um, 501 00:31:35,010 --> 00:31:36,850 S1: and that's all in the book. And you can read 502 00:31:36,850 --> 00:31:41,930 S1: more about uncluttered Faith. We have it linked@kris.org. And Fay 503 00:31:41,970 --> 00:31:44,970 S1: is in Wisconsin. And Fay, why did you call today? 504 00:31:47,730 --> 00:31:50,730 S3: Um, I am in a new season of life with 505 00:31:50,730 --> 00:31:56,090 S3: the kids leaving the nest and my marriage died and 506 00:31:56,090 --> 00:31:59,610 S3: the spouse chose not to do his part. So I'm 507 00:31:59,610 --> 00:32:03,970 S3: left with the stuff that people didn't want and been 508 00:32:03,970 --> 00:32:07,770 S3: diagnosed with ADHD. So I need help with my executive 509 00:32:07,770 --> 00:32:11,930 S3: functioning and trying to declutter. I get discouraged because there's 510 00:32:11,970 --> 00:32:14,770 S3: 25 years of stuff and I have to do, you know, 511 00:32:14,810 --> 00:32:19,170 S3: daily life responsibilities. Work a part time job. You know, 512 00:32:19,210 --> 00:32:23,170 S3: like I only have so much energy mentally and physically. 513 00:32:23,610 --> 00:32:26,610 S3: You know, just the limitations that it's hard to move forward. 514 00:32:26,650 --> 00:32:29,010 S3: And I do find it easier for me to let 515 00:32:29,010 --> 00:32:30,850 S3: go of stuff. If I can pass it on to 516 00:32:30,890 --> 00:32:36,490 S3: someone or some, some, you know, it represents money or 517 00:32:36,490 --> 00:32:40,010 S3: it represents my time, you know, being a homeschool mom 518 00:32:40,010 --> 00:32:42,690 S3: or my kids, you know, who I valued. And I 519 00:32:42,730 --> 00:32:45,250 S3: heard that part about, you know, I needed it then 520 00:32:45,250 --> 00:32:48,090 S3: in that season, but not now in this season. But 521 00:32:48,090 --> 00:32:51,810 S3: how do I move forward to make progress when I 522 00:32:51,810 --> 00:32:56,450 S3: feel like there's so much I need to get past? Yeah, 523 00:32:56,690 --> 00:32:58,770 S3: to keep making forward progress. 524 00:32:59,610 --> 00:33:00,410 S4: Great question. 525 00:33:01,330 --> 00:33:03,410 S2: Well, I got a couple thoughts for you, Anne. So 526 00:33:03,410 --> 00:33:07,570 S2: sorry that happened, um, in your life. I don't know 527 00:33:07,570 --> 00:33:13,290 S2: how recent it was, but, uh, changes of seasons in 528 00:33:13,290 --> 00:33:19,120 S2: life always require different possessions, different level of possessions. And 529 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,640 S2: so give yourself some time and space if you're just 530 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,360 S2: navigating what that's going to look like. My kids just 531 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,520 S2: graduated high school and are graduating college, and so I 532 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,160 S2: don't know for sure what's going to look like for 533 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,040 S2: me and Kim once the kids are gone. Um, so 534 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,000 S2: give your time, give yourself some time and space there. 535 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:43,360 S2: Number two, you keep being generous. You keep giving your 536 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:51,280 S2: things away. Generosity is not just the byproduct of minimalism. 537 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,400 S2: Decluttering in meaning. When we get rid of stuff, we're 538 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,560 S2: able to give things away. Generosity is very much the 539 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:03,160 S2: lifeblood of it. And when we start giving things away, 540 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,320 S2: seeing people who can use the stuff that we have 541 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,879 S2: on our shelves, it becomes very motivating to us to, 542 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,750 S2: to give more away. And then just one last third thought. 543 00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:15,790 S2: And this is not just for you, but this is 544 00:34:15,790 --> 00:34:22,549 S2: for anyone and everyone. The idea of decluttering your entire home, 545 00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:25,870 S2: 25 years worth of stuff, or just ten years of stuff, 546 00:34:25,870 --> 00:34:29,870 S2: or 40 years of stuff. Decluttering the entire home is 547 00:34:29,870 --> 00:34:34,710 S2: always overwhelming, and overwhelm comes when we see too big 548 00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:37,630 S2: of a project in too little of a time to 549 00:34:37,670 --> 00:34:43,629 S2: accomplish it. And so you, you break your project into smaller, 550 00:34:43,870 --> 00:34:46,870 S2: bite sized pieces. I'm just going to do the living 551 00:34:46,870 --> 00:34:50,549 S2: room first. I'm going to do the bedroom. Second, I'm 552 00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:55,270 S2: going to do my close third, the bathrooms for. And 553 00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:58,750 S2: you just keep working through your home room by room. 554 00:34:58,870 --> 00:35:01,350 S2: Start in those areas that you live in and spend 555 00:35:01,350 --> 00:35:04,109 S2: time in. Eventually you'll get to the things in the 556 00:35:04,110 --> 00:35:06,430 S2: attic and the basement and the garage. But it's a 557 00:35:06,430 --> 00:35:09,110 S2: little bit like building up a, a muscle, you know, 558 00:35:09,150 --> 00:35:12,420 S2: start with the easier things and build up that de-cluttering 559 00:35:12,420 --> 00:35:14,660 S2: muscle to get to some of those harder, more painful 560 00:35:14,660 --> 00:35:17,100 S2: decisions you're going to have to make down the road. 561 00:35:17,500 --> 00:35:19,459 S1: You know what has helped me, Joshua, is to find 562 00:35:19,460 --> 00:35:22,020 S1: somebody who's better at this than I am. You know, 563 00:35:22,060 --> 00:35:25,300 S1: because I'm emotionally invested in that, in that t shirt 564 00:35:25,300 --> 00:35:29,819 S1: that you've fallen apart. Uh, to find somebody and let's 565 00:35:29,820 --> 00:35:32,779 S1: stay with the closet who can take everything out of 566 00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:35,820 S1: a closet and say, and just hold it up and say, okay, 567 00:35:35,860 --> 00:35:38,259 S1: when's the last time? When's the last time you wore this? 568 00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:40,140 S1: Do you do you want to save this? So you 569 00:35:40,140 --> 00:35:43,259 S1: have a keep save a keep pile, uh, and a 570 00:35:43,260 --> 00:35:46,660 S1: and a question pile and then a giveaway pile. Um, 571 00:35:46,739 --> 00:35:50,460 S1: somebody else who can come alongside you and help you 572 00:35:50,460 --> 00:35:53,500 S1: with that executive function. Is that a good idea? 573 00:35:54,580 --> 00:35:57,660 S2: Absolutely. I think it's a great idea. I think if 574 00:35:57,660 --> 00:36:00,940 S2: it's a friend or a family member, um, I always 575 00:36:00,940 --> 00:36:04,859 S2: mention to people if they are going to invite someone 576 00:36:04,860 --> 00:36:07,779 S2: into their home to help them, which is a great idea. 577 00:36:08,219 --> 00:36:12,380 S2: Make sure it's someone you love. And then I think 578 00:36:12,420 --> 00:36:18,020 S2: you need to trust their opinion. Um, I just fear, 579 00:36:18,060 --> 00:36:20,300 S2: you know, we bring someone into our home and they 580 00:36:20,340 --> 00:36:22,540 S2: identify all these things that we can get rid of, 581 00:36:22,540 --> 00:36:25,180 S2: and we decide to keep all of it. Like that 582 00:36:25,180 --> 00:36:28,620 S2: would be pretty unfair for that person. But if you 583 00:36:28,620 --> 00:36:32,219 S2: love them, if you trust them, if you admire the 584 00:36:32,219 --> 00:36:35,820 S2: way that they live their life, then that certainly becomes 585 00:36:35,820 --> 00:36:38,940 S2: much easier to, to make some of those decisions. And you, 586 00:36:38,980 --> 00:36:41,740 S2: you mentioned the clothes closet. I'll give everyone a super 587 00:36:41,739 --> 00:36:45,580 S2: helpful tip that I ran across years ago. If you 588 00:36:45,580 --> 00:36:49,419 S2: take all the, all of your hanging clothes and you 589 00:36:49,460 --> 00:36:54,300 S2: hang all of your hangers backwards, so they're facing you, 590 00:36:54,580 --> 00:36:57,819 S2: and then every time you wear an item and you 591 00:36:57,820 --> 00:37:01,899 S2: return it, return the hanger in the correct way that 592 00:37:01,900 --> 00:37:04,700 S2: you would normally hang a shirt or pants or whatever. 593 00:37:04,900 --> 00:37:08,420 S2: And after a few weeks, after a couple months, you'll 594 00:37:08,420 --> 00:37:11,730 S2: be able to clearly see all the clothes that you 595 00:37:11,730 --> 00:37:14,969 S2: haven't worn, all the clothes that you do wear. The 596 00:37:14,969 --> 00:37:18,290 S2: average American wears just 18% of their clothing over the 597 00:37:18,290 --> 00:37:21,330 S2: course of a year, and so that backwards hanger trick 598 00:37:21,330 --> 00:37:23,410 S2: is a is a great one to help us identify 599 00:37:23,410 --> 00:37:24,970 S2: what we don't actually wear. 600 00:37:25,170 --> 00:37:30,050 S1: Wow, that is a great tip. Uncluttered Faith by Joshua 601 00:37:30,090 --> 00:37:34,330 S1: Becker is our featured resource. You can find it@crisp.org. Click 602 00:37:34,330 --> 00:37:39,170 S1: through today's information right there subtitled Own less love More 603 00:37:39,810 --> 00:37:43,130 S1: and make an impact in your world. Again, go to 604 00:37:43,170 --> 00:38:00,890 S1: chris.org more straight ahead on Moody Radio. Hey, the two 605 00:38:00,890 --> 00:38:03,450 S1: Michaels are back tomorrow on Chris Fabry live. If you 606 00:38:03,489 --> 00:38:07,610 S1: would like to leave a message for them ahead of time. Eight. Six. Six. Nine. 607 00:38:07,610 --> 00:38:11,399 S1: 6.95 is our number. You can use that and leave 608 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,040 S1: a message. You can also support the program by using 609 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:20,640 S1: that number. (866) 953-2279. Don't miss the two Michaels right here tomorrow. 610 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,000 S1: You can also leave your question on Facebook and respond 611 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,640 S1: to our question today. The quote that I put up 612 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:30,960 S1: there by Joshua Becker, author of uncluttered Faith, it's our 613 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,960 S1: featured resource. Chris fabry.org. Angela's in Illinois. Angela, what's your 614 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,080 S1: question or comment? 615 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:43,000 S5: Hi. Thanks, Chris. My question is, I was wondering, um, 616 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:48,799 S5: if the guest knows how clutter affects mental health and 617 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,520 S5: emotional health? I know I always feel frustrated and flustered 618 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,279 S5: when I'm trying to declutter. 619 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,360 S4: HMM. Great question. 620 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:03,840 S2: Yeah. There are dozens of studies on how clutter negatively 621 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:11,080 S2: affects our mental health. Randy Alcorn says every increased possession 622 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:17,400 S2: adds increased anxiety onto our lives, and it is true 623 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,600 S2: every physical possession we own, um takes up not just 624 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,600 S2: physical space in our home, but mental space in our mind. 625 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,600 S2: It's something that we are responsible for. It's something we 626 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:34,640 S2: have to care for. Um, just the, you know, a 627 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,720 S2: listener can just picture, you know, if you just close 628 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,480 S2: your eyes and put yourself in like the most cluttered 629 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,080 S2: room in your home and then with your eyes closed, 630 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,440 S2: picture yourself in like the least cluttered room in your home, 631 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,400 S2: the calmest room in your home. And even just sitting 632 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,879 S2: with our eyes closed, we can feel the weight of 633 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,040 S2: all the possessions around us. So yeah, I would, you 634 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,120 S2: could just Google clutter and mental health and you'll find 635 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,840 S2: tons of tons of studies on that. 636 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,790 S1: And if it's affecting your mental health, it's also affecting 637 00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:08,630 S1: your physical health too, right? 638 00:40:08,670 --> 00:40:09,310 S6: Mhm. 639 00:40:09,469 --> 00:40:11,950 S2: Yep. Absolutely. Absolutely. Good point. 640 00:40:11,989 --> 00:40:16,590 S1: Great question, Angela. Thank you. Alice is in Sandusky, Ohio. Hi, Alice. 641 00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:17,350 S1: Go right ahead. 642 00:40:17,469 --> 00:40:21,310 S7: Hi. Hi. I was very interested in the topic. I 643 00:40:21,350 --> 00:40:23,589 S7: came upon it, and I'm so excited because. And what 644 00:40:23,590 --> 00:40:27,230 S7: I was wondering is, um, is this the book? Does 645 00:40:27,230 --> 00:40:30,989 S7: it have like an area or some explanation of possibly, um, 646 00:40:31,110 --> 00:40:33,910 S7: materials to use for a group study? Because I think 647 00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:35,670 S7: this would be exciting for some of the women that 648 00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:39,070 S7: I know. And, um, just to help declutter and then 649 00:40:39,110 --> 00:40:41,589 S7: pardon my other question or comment is, you know, when 650 00:40:41,590 --> 00:40:43,230 S7: you have things for so long and a lot of 651 00:40:43,230 --> 00:40:45,989 S7: them are memory tied, do you have suggestions on how 652 00:40:45,989 --> 00:40:49,710 S7: to eliminate the piece, but still keep, you know, the object, 653 00:40:49,710 --> 00:40:52,029 S7: I guess, or whatever, and still keep the memories? 654 00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:57,109 S2: Well, number one, I appreciate the first question. We are 655 00:40:57,110 --> 00:41:02,830 S2: actually in small group video curriculum production right now, so 656 00:41:02,830 --> 00:41:06,420 S2: it should be released in April in time for small 657 00:41:06,420 --> 00:41:09,100 S2: groups in the. In the fall or in the summer. 658 00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:10,900 S2: If you have a. If you have a summer group, I, 659 00:41:11,060 --> 00:41:14,379 S2: I agree, I, I am very passionate about this message. 660 00:41:14,380 --> 00:41:18,540 S2: It is a message that the church needs. If you 661 00:41:18,540 --> 00:41:22,500 S2: read in Luke chapter eight the parable of the four soils, uh, 662 00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:26,779 S2: it is, uh, pleasures, worries, and riches that choke out 663 00:41:26,780 --> 00:41:30,180 S2: the fruitfulness of God's Word in our lives. Uh, no 664 00:41:30,180 --> 00:41:33,379 S2: doubt that defines the American church. And so my hope 665 00:41:33,380 --> 00:41:37,060 S2: is that uncluttered faith indeed blesses the church and the 666 00:41:37,060 --> 00:41:40,060 S2: world and the kingdom because of it. Uh, when it 667 00:41:40,060 --> 00:41:45,100 S2: comes to items that hold memories and sentimental value, uh, 668 00:41:45,100 --> 00:41:49,620 S2: real quick, three pieces of advice. Number one, don't start 669 00:41:49,620 --> 00:41:53,779 S2: by getting rid rid of your most sentimental items. Uh, 670 00:41:53,780 --> 00:41:58,660 S2: number two, when you do remember that less is different 671 00:41:58,660 --> 00:42:02,819 S2: than none. And so as you declutter those items. I 672 00:42:02,860 --> 00:42:05,580 S2: don't think the advice is we don't want to have 673 00:42:05,580 --> 00:42:10,020 S2: any items of sentimental attachment. It's just that we can 674 00:42:10,060 --> 00:42:13,500 S2: own less of them. In fact, a lot of ways 675 00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:18,700 S2: we honor our past best by living our best life 676 00:42:18,820 --> 00:42:21,379 S2: in the present and in the future. And if all 677 00:42:21,380 --> 00:42:25,540 S2: the things we have accumulated from relationships or experiences or 678 00:42:25,540 --> 00:42:30,060 S2: accomplishments are burdening us going forward, then I think we 679 00:42:30,060 --> 00:42:34,260 S2: honor our parents and grandparents and legacy best by owning 680 00:42:34,260 --> 00:42:37,380 S2: just what we need to live our best life going forward. 681 00:42:37,380 --> 00:42:41,420 S2: And then there's actually studies that will say that taking 682 00:42:41,420 --> 00:42:45,860 S2: a photo of an item makes it something like 60% 683 00:42:45,860 --> 00:42:49,500 S2: easier to get rid of, because the memories aren't in 684 00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:53,339 S2: the object, the memories are in us. And so a 685 00:42:53,340 --> 00:42:56,299 S2: photo can spark those same memories in the same way 686 00:42:56,300 --> 00:42:57,700 S2: that an object can. 687 00:42:58,380 --> 00:43:01,730 S1: Alice. Great questions. Okay, so let me push back a 688 00:43:01,730 --> 00:43:06,570 S1: little bit. You can also make minimalism your god that 689 00:43:06,930 --> 00:43:10,770 S1: you get on a treadmill of minimalism. And this is 690 00:43:10,770 --> 00:43:14,569 S1: always and you want to arrive and you can never 691 00:43:14,570 --> 00:43:18,330 S1: really arrive at minimalist living because there's always something you 692 00:43:18,330 --> 00:43:21,010 S1: can get rid of. Probably. How do you respond to that? 693 00:43:22,130 --> 00:43:27,010 S2: Well, you are right. The goal for my life is 694 00:43:27,010 --> 00:43:29,130 S2: I think the goal for all of our lives should 695 00:43:29,130 --> 00:43:34,250 S2: be that my possessions are not a burden, either in 696 00:43:34,250 --> 00:43:39,450 S2: excess or in lack. Uh, I want to own what 697 00:43:39,450 --> 00:43:42,930 S2: I need to own in order to fulfill the good 698 00:43:42,930 --> 00:43:46,730 S2: work that God prepared in advance for me to do. 699 00:43:47,130 --> 00:43:50,610 S2: And if I own too much stuff and it's keeping 700 00:43:50,610 --> 00:43:54,890 S2: me from full fruitfulness in the kingdom, then I should 701 00:43:54,930 --> 00:43:56,730 S2: own less. But I don't want to get to the 702 00:43:56,730 --> 00:44:00,680 S2: point where I can't accomplish anything for the kingdom because 703 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,800 S2: I don't have the tools that are necessary to do it. 704 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,239 S2: So my, um, my first book, uh, we named it 705 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:11,000 S2: the More of less, but my original working title was optimal. Uh, 706 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,160 S2: that was my goal. That was, I said, that's what 707 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:17,040 S2: I'm talking about, that we would own the optimal amount 708 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,400 S2: of possessions to live our best life. And that, of course, 709 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,680 S2: looks different for each person based on their family, based 710 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,000 S2: on where they live, their career, their passions, even, even 711 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,799 S2: in Jesus's call to the fishermen, he says, get rid 712 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,920 S2: of your boats and your nets and come follow me. 713 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,239 S2: In Mark chapter six, he heals the demon possessed man. 714 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,239 S2: The demon possessed man is ready to get on the 715 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,280 S2: boat and follow Jesus. And he goes, no, no, you 716 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,840 S2: go back home. You be my witness in your city 717 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,719 S2: where you live. And so even the call that Jesus 718 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,399 S2: places on our lives can be different. That's why it's 719 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,520 S2: so important to just follow the spirit, figure out what 720 00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,750 S2: his voice sounds like in your life, and follow him 721 00:44:59,750 --> 00:45:01,310 S2: as closely as he possibly can. 722 00:45:01,670 --> 00:45:05,149 S1: Okay, so do you have a coffee maker? I've got 723 00:45:05,150 --> 00:45:08,509 S1: to know you. Do you have a coffee maker? So 724 00:45:08,510 --> 00:45:10,870 S1: you didn't throw that out, but you don't have 15 725 00:45:10,910 --> 00:45:11,670 S1: of them, right? 726 00:45:11,950 --> 00:45:14,670 S2: I'm not a I'm not a I'm not a maniac 727 00:45:14,670 --> 00:45:20,589 S2: over here. I get asked sometimes they're like, so tell me, 728 00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:23,710 S2: you know, what does your house look like? And I say, 729 00:45:24,030 --> 00:45:26,870 S2: I don't have a great answer for that. We have 730 00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:30,390 S2: all of the things that most people would have plates 731 00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:34,190 S2: and silverware and cups and clothes. We just own less 732 00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:37,590 S2: of them. Um, which I found to be a far better, 733 00:45:37,950 --> 00:45:39,270 S2: more effective way to live. 734 00:45:39,469 --> 00:45:39,950 S4: Yes. 735 00:45:40,590 --> 00:45:42,950 S1: Oh, I've got so many more questions and a lot 736 00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:44,750 S1: of them are answered in the book. If you go 737 00:45:44,750 --> 00:45:50,790 S1: to chris.org, you'll see uncluttered faith, own less, love more 738 00:45:51,469 --> 00:45:55,950 S1: and make an impact in your world, tightly hanging on 739 00:45:55,989 --> 00:45:59,630 S1: to the stuff of life. It feels like this doesn't 740 00:45:59,630 --> 00:46:01,710 S1: get me where I really want to go and where 741 00:46:01,710 --> 00:46:04,310 S1: I really want to be. That God has something more 742 00:46:04,310 --> 00:46:07,710 S1: for me. And if you catch that vision, maybe Joshua 743 00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:10,870 S1: Becker's latest will help you. Joshua, great to meet you. 744 00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:14,150 S1: Thanks for coming alongside us today. And we'll talk again 745 00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:15,230 S1: down the road. Okay. 746 00:46:16,270 --> 00:46:17,470 S2: I'd love that. Thank you. 747 00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:21,870 S1: Again. The book title uncluttered Faith. And you can find 748 00:46:21,870 --> 00:46:24,710 S1: more about Joshua and his website. Boy, there are a 749 00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:29,030 S1: lot of people that go to that becoming minimalist website 750 00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:31,109 S1: and have been helped by that. You might be one 751 00:46:31,110 --> 00:46:33,070 S1: of them as well. If you haven't heard about it yet, 752 00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:37,070 S1: go to chris.org. And remember, the two Michaels are coming 753 00:46:37,070 --> 00:46:40,790 S1: along tomorrow. Ask your question on Facebook or give us 754 00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:45,950 S1: a call 8669543. Always remember Chris Fabry Live is a 755 00:46:45,950 --> 00:46:49,950 S1: production of Moody Radio, a Ministry of Moody Bible Institute.