1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:06,240 S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond its cast 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:11,239 S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced guide. Overcome 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:16,280 S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined. Start 4 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:17,800 S1: your morning with a laugh. 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:23,360 S2: Practical from the Bible. Tips and tricks to kill. Not tricks, 6 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:29,960 S2: but tips and tricks. Tips and tricks to kill. Simple tricks. 7 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,120 S1: Delivering the truth daily. 8 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,160 S3: All of my attempts to, you know, prop myself up 9 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,920 S3: with achievement and good works. Well, God wasn't impressed by that. 10 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:40,400 S3: Even if other people were. 11 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,400 S2: The gospel changes everything. 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,080 S4: Freedom in Christ. Man, it's like that backpack of cement 13 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,120 S4: just falling to the ground. 14 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:53,840 S1: Now, from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl 15 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:58,240 S1: and crew. Quick update on this Freedom Friday. Want to 16 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,190 S1: let you know we opened up the gates and we 17 00:01:01,190 --> 00:01:03,590 S1: provided a little more bandwidth so we could get more 18 00:01:03,590 --> 00:01:09,390 S1: prayers in here. We had we had some notifications going, hey, 19 00:01:09,990 --> 00:01:13,470 S1: you guys filled up all these slots and I didn't 20 00:01:13,470 --> 00:01:15,550 S1: get a chance to get in there. And we don't 21 00:01:15,550 --> 00:01:20,990 S1: want to create obstacles here. We do have to, um, 22 00:01:21,110 --> 00:01:24,390 S1: wrap this thing up here today, but super Di, before 23 00:01:24,390 --> 00:01:28,310 S1: she left for a little R&R today, she opened up 24 00:01:28,310 --> 00:01:31,990 S1: some bandwidth and some more seats at the table. And 25 00:01:32,270 --> 00:01:37,030 S1: here's why. We've got a third party kind of roster 26 00:01:37,030 --> 00:01:40,069 S1: here for everyone that's going to be praying throughout. Share. 27 00:01:41,150 --> 00:01:44,350 S1: And we're so thrilled that you are jumping in at 28 00:01:44,350 --> 00:01:47,870 S1: these levels. We had 620 seats filled in about two 29 00:01:47,870 --> 00:01:51,950 S1: days and one hour. That's nine hours of programming, which is, 30 00:01:52,830 --> 00:01:55,030 S1: for us, astounding. 31 00:01:55,030 --> 00:01:58,350 S3: Oh yeah, I mean, that's that's the quickest that it's 32 00:01:58,470 --> 00:01:59,270 S3: ever filled. 33 00:01:59,310 --> 00:02:03,870 S1: Yeah. For sure. So it's a it's a joy man 34 00:02:03,870 --> 00:02:06,910 S1: to see that kind of response. And then some of 35 00:02:06,910 --> 00:02:10,350 S1: you weren't listening Monday and Tuesday because for some reason, 36 00:02:10,350 --> 00:02:12,990 S1: I don't know why you aren't tuned in here for 37 00:02:12,990 --> 00:02:16,190 S1: hours a day, every day. I don't get it. But 38 00:02:16,190 --> 00:02:18,270 S1: you weren't tuned. I'm tongue in cheek, guys. 39 00:02:18,310 --> 00:02:18,989 S2: Of course. 40 00:02:19,030 --> 00:02:22,030 S1: Um, I want to make sure everybody gets that. Uh, 41 00:02:22,110 --> 00:02:25,430 S1: but we opened it up the tolerances a little bit 42 00:02:25,430 --> 00:02:29,190 S1: more to allow, um, more of you to get in. 43 00:02:29,630 --> 00:02:31,989 S1: Even though we opened it up, we did fill up 44 00:02:31,990 --> 00:02:35,190 S1: a few half hour slots already, but there's ample half 45 00:02:35,230 --> 00:02:38,630 S1: hours left for you to join the prayer crew. And 46 00:02:38,630 --> 00:02:41,670 S1: this is going to be really sweet. We're going to 47 00:02:41,669 --> 00:02:45,910 S1: have two so far, two specific targeted prayers that we're 48 00:02:45,910 --> 00:02:48,310 S1: going to be going after. And we're going to lay 49 00:02:48,310 --> 00:02:50,630 S1: hold of the willingness of God. This is going to 50 00:02:50,630 --> 00:02:53,190 S1: be great to taste and see that God is good. 51 00:02:53,190 --> 00:02:54,790 S1: Some of you who've never been a part of a 52 00:02:54,790 --> 00:02:58,859 S1: prayer movement where you've seen God move. And we're going 53 00:02:58,900 --> 00:03:02,540 S1: to give you report backs and updates. And 30 minutes 54 00:03:02,540 --> 00:03:06,380 S1: of prayer is going to be beautiful from you, because 55 00:03:06,380 --> 00:03:08,620 S1: you're going to hear things from the Lord personally that 56 00:03:08,620 --> 00:03:10,780 S1: are going to be so enriching. I think it's going 57 00:03:10,820 --> 00:03:12,940 S1: to really put a fuel in your belly for more 58 00:03:12,940 --> 00:03:17,299 S1: prayer down the road. So again, we've opened up some 59 00:03:17,300 --> 00:03:20,260 S1: more seats. There's ample half hours for you to jump 60 00:03:20,260 --> 00:03:22,300 S1: in and grab one right now. Just text the word 61 00:03:22,300 --> 00:03:27,459 S1: crew to 805 five, five, 78, 98. Just the word 62 00:03:27,460 --> 00:03:34,100 S1: crew to 805 five, 578, 98. And I just am 63 00:03:34,100 --> 00:03:36,700 S1: blown away at the response of folks here. 64 00:03:36,740 --> 00:03:39,220 S3: I'm just looking at it, and I don't have a count, 65 00:03:39,220 --> 00:03:41,580 S3: but it looks like we moved from 10 to 15 66 00:03:41,620 --> 00:03:43,860 S3: per half hour. And yeah, we do have some of 67 00:03:43,860 --> 00:03:47,220 S3: those earlier in the week, half hours totally full, but 68 00:03:47,260 --> 00:03:50,220 S3: there are still slots available. So if you missed out 69 00:03:50,260 --> 00:03:52,540 S3: we yeah, we don't want anyone to feel like they're 70 00:03:53,220 --> 00:03:56,290 S3: not being included. so please. 71 00:03:56,530 --> 00:03:57,050 S1: Pray. 72 00:03:57,210 --> 00:04:00,090 S3: Oh man, what a cool problem to have, right? 73 00:04:00,690 --> 00:04:04,010 S1: One of the one of the greatest problems going. You 74 00:04:04,010 --> 00:04:07,210 S1: want to choke up this old timer? Well, you're you're 75 00:04:07,210 --> 00:04:10,290 S1: doing it. Boom! Crew. This is beautiful. No matter where 76 00:04:10,290 --> 00:04:12,570 S1: you are in this world, man, you can be a 77 00:04:12,570 --> 00:04:17,130 S1: part of the gospel changes everything. That's going to be 78 00:04:17,130 --> 00:04:20,210 S1: our theme for week and a half. Little less than that. 79 00:04:20,210 --> 00:04:22,289 S1: When we kick this thing off in earnest, it's going 80 00:04:22,290 --> 00:04:24,170 S1: to be beautiful. By the way, I want to give 81 00:04:24,170 --> 00:04:25,650 S1: you a heads up, and I'm going to I'm going 82 00:04:25,690 --> 00:04:28,409 S1: to mention this. Oh, don't let me forget this, Sally. 83 00:04:28,410 --> 00:04:30,650 S1: I want to mention this all day long. We're going 84 00:04:30,690 --> 00:04:34,530 S1: to be having one hour per day of pre share 85 00:04:34,570 --> 00:04:38,890 S1: starting on Monday. But during our show one of the 86 00:04:38,890 --> 00:04:41,130 S1: four hours. So we're going to have one hour of 87 00:04:41,130 --> 00:04:45,010 S1: pre share. And here's why we just I mean we've 88 00:04:45,010 --> 00:04:48,250 S1: got a big stretch here. And some of you have 89 00:04:48,250 --> 00:04:52,890 S1: the spiritual gifts of quick starts. Yeah. You got the 90 00:04:52,890 --> 00:04:55,969 S1: spiritual gift of getting us out of the chute, and 91 00:04:55,970 --> 00:04:59,010 S1: we're so grateful for you. Quick starters. And there's so 92 00:04:59,010 --> 00:05:01,570 S1: many of you already that have already given online or 93 00:05:01,570 --> 00:05:06,410 S1: called in and just grateful. Um, man, it's just beautiful. 94 00:05:06,410 --> 00:05:10,290 S1: And look at these more, more folks are getting the 95 00:05:10,290 --> 00:05:12,650 S1: crew link to jump in in prayer here. This is 96 00:05:12,650 --> 00:05:17,010 S1: just amazing. Just a beautiful, beautiful thing. Well, Young Thunder 97 00:05:17,010 --> 00:05:19,890 S1: said to me a couple of days ago, several days ago, 98 00:05:19,890 --> 00:05:22,530 S1: he said, hey, I've I've got something the Lord has 99 00:05:22,529 --> 00:05:25,450 S1: shown me in the word. I'd love to be able 100 00:05:25,450 --> 00:05:29,210 S1: to pour my heart out about it. I'm like, absolutely 101 00:05:29,210 --> 00:05:33,730 S1: young Thunder. Are you kidding me? So he's been prepping 102 00:05:33,730 --> 00:05:37,130 S1: for it, and, uh, we're going to be unleashing that here. 103 00:05:37,130 --> 00:05:39,890 S1: You buckled up. Ready to go yourself, young Thunder? 104 00:05:39,930 --> 00:05:40,570 S2: Yeah. Let's do it. 105 00:05:40,570 --> 00:05:41,370 S1: All right, man. 106 00:05:42,490 --> 00:05:46,970 S5: Breaking chains and running free. You're listening to Carl and crew. 107 00:05:47,370 --> 00:05:50,490 S2: Talking about different types of prayer that we can pray, 108 00:05:50,490 --> 00:05:54,120 S2: praying for God to provide in our lives and show up. 109 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,440 S2: Show up in our lives. We've been talking about answered prayer, 110 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,720 S2: how God has answered prayers. You know, as latest as 111 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,360 S2: this week. But before we get into any of those 112 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,599 S2: types of prayer in our lives, we need to focus 113 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,720 S2: on one very specific type of prayer. It's Freedom Friday. 114 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,600 S2: Of course we're going to the gospel. There's a prayer 115 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:18,279 S2: that needs to be prayed for you before we can 116 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,200 S2: ever focus on any of these other ones. What is 117 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,240 S2: that prayer? Has that prayer been prayed for you? We're 118 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,200 S2: going to talk about that three minutes. 119 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,080 S5: Helping you take the next step in your walk with Jesus. 120 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:35,240 S6: God longs for us today to seek him and ask 121 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,440 S6: him to move in ways that we never could. 122 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,479 S5: You're listening to Carl and crew. 123 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:40,400 S6: It's a pretty. 124 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,760 S1: Cool thing when you open up the Word of God 125 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,520 S1: and you see something and you go, oh my goodness. 126 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,640 S1: Young Thunder had an oh my goodness moment. And boy, 127 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,560 S1: it's the goodness of God isn't it? My man. 128 00:06:51,630 --> 00:06:54,990 S2: It is the goodness of God. He. He reveals to 129 00:06:55,029 --> 00:06:57,990 S2: us new things. Things that can refresh our soul and 130 00:06:57,990 --> 00:07:01,029 S2: give us new clarity on him each and every day, 131 00:07:01,029 --> 00:07:03,830 S2: if we just come willing. You know, I was listening 132 00:07:03,870 --> 00:07:07,750 S2: to a quick shout out for Doctor Ron Sowa's podcast 133 00:07:07,750 --> 00:07:09,989 S2: here on Moody Radio. Uh, they they have a podcast 134 00:07:09,990 --> 00:07:12,230 S2: called Quiet Time with Doctor Sauer, and I've been listening 135 00:07:12,230 --> 00:07:14,150 S2: to it a lot, and they had an episode recently 136 00:07:14,150 --> 00:07:17,110 S2: on prayer. And as we're talking this week about prayer, 137 00:07:17,110 --> 00:07:20,030 S2: I thought it was really timely. So I was sitting 138 00:07:20,030 --> 00:07:23,470 S2: and listening and they mentioned a had a quick conversation 139 00:07:23,470 --> 00:07:26,750 S2: in there about a passage from the Book of Job. 140 00:07:26,790 --> 00:07:33,230 S2: Job 42 eight where where job's friends had sinned against 141 00:07:33,230 --> 00:07:36,590 S2: God and job. Because this whole book is about job 142 00:07:36,590 --> 00:07:39,910 S2: experiencing a lot of pain, a lot of loss in 143 00:07:39,910 --> 00:07:43,990 S2: his life, and his friend's conclusion about God was, well, 144 00:07:43,990 --> 00:07:47,390 S2: this must be because you're a bad person. You you 145 00:07:47,630 --> 00:07:50,460 S2: look great on the outside, but you have this. You 146 00:07:50,460 --> 00:07:52,780 S2: must have this sin because God wouldn't have done this. 147 00:07:52,820 --> 00:07:53,900 S1: Such great friends. 148 00:07:53,940 --> 00:07:56,540 S2: I know good friends. Good friends. You must be really 149 00:07:56,540 --> 00:07:59,620 S2: bad and we just don't know about it. Uh, but 150 00:08:00,220 --> 00:08:02,740 S2: the truth is, is that this didn't happen to Joe 151 00:08:02,740 --> 00:08:05,260 S2: because he was right or unrighteous. It happened because he 152 00:08:05,260 --> 00:08:08,860 S2: was righteous and God had a different thing working in 153 00:08:08,860 --> 00:08:11,420 S2: his life. And and so at the end of it, 154 00:08:12,460 --> 00:08:15,220 S2: God talks with job and he talks with his friends. 155 00:08:15,220 --> 00:08:17,980 S2: And he says to his friends, you've spoken to me, 156 00:08:17,980 --> 00:08:21,340 S2: you've spoken about me incorrectly, and therefore they had sinned. 157 00:08:21,380 --> 00:08:23,300 S2: Ali read job 42 eight. 158 00:08:23,500 --> 00:08:26,820 S3: Now therefore, take seven bulls and seven rams, and go 159 00:08:26,820 --> 00:08:29,780 S3: to my servant job, and offer up a burnt offering 160 00:08:29,780 --> 00:08:32,940 S3: for yourselves. And my servant job shall pray for you. 161 00:08:32,940 --> 00:08:35,500 S3: For I will accept his prayer not to deal with 162 00:08:35,500 --> 00:08:38,740 S3: you according to your folly. For you have not spoken 163 00:08:38,780 --> 00:08:41,580 S3: of me what is right as my servant job has. 164 00:08:41,860 --> 00:08:45,060 S2: Now, when I first heard this passage, you know, not 165 00:08:45,100 --> 00:08:48,140 S2: reading it, I'm just listening to it. My mind went 166 00:08:48,140 --> 00:08:51,900 S2: to a place of. well, that doesn't it doesn't feel right. 167 00:08:51,900 --> 00:08:55,540 S2: Why does job have to pray for his friends? Why 168 00:08:55,580 --> 00:08:58,300 S2: can't they just pray and repent? And God hears it 169 00:08:58,300 --> 00:09:00,700 S2: and takes it? Well, why is it that job has 170 00:09:00,700 --> 00:09:02,500 S2: to do it in order for God to hear it? 171 00:09:02,940 --> 00:09:05,260 S2: And and so I went to the passage and I 172 00:09:05,260 --> 00:09:08,740 S2: took a look at it. And God showed me, in 173 00:09:08,740 --> 00:09:11,460 S2: the midst of reading this, that this is actually a 174 00:09:11,460 --> 00:09:15,740 S2: deeply biblical design that God had set up really, all 175 00:09:15,740 --> 00:09:18,459 S2: throughout the Bible. You see, in the Old Testament, the 176 00:09:18,460 --> 00:09:24,340 S2: purpose of priests was to be a mediator between God 177 00:09:24,340 --> 00:09:27,620 S2: and man. When man sinned, there was a break in 178 00:09:27,620 --> 00:09:31,900 S2: the connection between God and man. And God had set 179 00:09:31,940 --> 00:09:37,420 S2: priests to come and accept sacrifices from the people, and 180 00:09:37,420 --> 00:09:41,540 S2: then sacrifice them and pray to God fervently on behalf 181 00:09:41,540 --> 00:09:44,420 S2: of the people for the forgiveness of their sins. And 182 00:09:44,420 --> 00:09:48,089 S2: with that mediation, God would accept the sacrifice, and then 183 00:09:48,090 --> 00:09:51,530 S2: they would be connected again. It brought forth the idea 184 00:09:51,530 --> 00:09:55,530 S2: of atonement being at one with God. And so I 185 00:09:55,530 --> 00:09:57,530 S2: looked at this passage in a different way after I 186 00:09:57,530 --> 00:09:59,250 S2: saw that and I said, oh, you know what? This 187 00:09:59,250 --> 00:10:03,450 S2: is just the the implication of what God does with 188 00:10:03,450 --> 00:10:08,250 S2: the priests to his people, that that job was, in 189 00:10:08,250 --> 00:10:11,930 S2: a sense, acting as a priest for his friends, accepting 190 00:10:11,929 --> 00:10:15,570 S2: the sacrifice and praying to God on their behalf for 191 00:10:15,570 --> 00:10:19,809 S2: the forgiveness of their sins. And then God showed me 192 00:10:19,809 --> 00:10:24,850 S2: something else. He said, that's exactly what I'm doing for 193 00:10:24,850 --> 00:10:30,170 S2: you right this minute. This is still a biblical idea 194 00:10:30,170 --> 00:10:33,770 S2: that's lived out to this day, but it's not lived 195 00:10:33,770 --> 00:10:38,850 S2: out with an imperfect human priest anymore. We don't have 196 00:10:38,850 --> 00:10:42,890 S2: to go to a human priest to get our sins forgiven, 197 00:10:42,890 --> 00:10:46,290 S2: to have them go to God on our behalf. We 198 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:51,560 S2: have a new reality in the priesthood of Jesus. Ali, 199 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:57,600 S2: can you read Hebrews 723 and 23 to 25? Actually, 200 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:58,640 S2: do you have that? Yeah. 201 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,280 S3: Let me just let me get one more verse for you. 202 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:01,959 S3: Give me a second. 203 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:02,480 S2: Thank you. 204 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:08,240 S3: This is in the English Standard version. Starts with the 205 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,560 S3: former priests were many in number because they were prevented 206 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,960 S3: by death from continuing in office. But he holds his 207 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:19,880 S3: priesthood permanently because he continues forever. Consequently, he is able 208 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,400 S3: to save to the uttermost those who draw near to 209 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,160 S3: God through him, since he always lives to make intercession 210 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:26,760 S3: for them. 211 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:32,439 S2: This is the new reality that we have in Christ Jesus. 212 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,199 S2: It says that he's able to save us to the uttermost. 213 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,760 S2: When you take that Greek word uttermost and translate it, 214 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:41,840 S2: it means one of two things. And I actually think 215 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,800 S2: it means both in this scenario, it either means that 216 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,800 S2: he's able to save us perfectly, or he's able to 217 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,680 S2: save us forever. So either in its completion or over time, 218 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,040 S2: and I think it's both. He's able to save us 219 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,680 S2: both to its fullest, and he's able to save us forever. 220 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,560 S2: Our salvation is guaranteed in him forever and ever because 221 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,560 S2: of his perfection. He is our new priest. And not 222 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,160 S2: only is he our new priest, he actually took the 223 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:14,160 S2: place of both sacrifice and priest. He came to earth 224 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,280 S2: to live the life that we couldn't live. And then 225 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:20,800 S2: he died as our sacrifice, the sacrifice, the perfect sacrifice 226 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,880 S2: to God for our sins. He took our sins to 227 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,800 S2: the cross and nailed them there, and they stayed dead. 228 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,920 S2: And now he lives forever as our priest. And I 229 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,200 S2: think this is so interesting. I had never thought about 230 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,760 S2: it before, but in verse 25 it says, those who 231 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:37,559 S2: he's able to save us to the uttermost, those who 232 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,040 S2: draw near to God through him, since he always lives 233 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,910 S2: to make intercession for them, he is in heaven right 234 00:12:45,910 --> 00:12:51,670 S2: now praying on my behalf, intercession to God for me, 235 00:12:51,710 --> 00:12:55,030 S2: for Ali, for Carl. Because I'm still a sinner. Even 236 00:12:55,030 --> 00:12:58,110 S2: though I am saved through grace in his sacrifice, I 237 00:12:58,110 --> 00:13:01,750 S2: still sin. But my sins are not counted against me 238 00:13:01,750 --> 00:13:06,230 S2: because Jesus is right there making intercession for me in 239 00:13:06,270 --> 00:13:10,630 S2: this very moment. I don't have to be afraid because 240 00:13:10,630 --> 00:13:15,470 S2: he's praying for me right now. I have that assurance. 241 00:13:17,150 --> 00:13:20,150 S2: He's praying for each of us. I know where Carl 242 00:13:20,150 --> 00:13:23,030 S2: is with Jesus. I know where Ali is with Jesus. 243 00:13:23,990 --> 00:13:30,030 S2: Is Jesus praying that prayer for you right now? That's 244 00:13:30,030 --> 00:13:33,870 S2: a question we have to ask ourselves because we can't 245 00:13:33,870 --> 00:13:39,110 S2: come to God on our own. Romans 323 says, all 246 00:13:39,110 --> 00:13:42,070 S2: have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. 247 00:13:42,940 --> 00:13:48,219 S2: Me by myself in my sinful ways, have no ability 248 00:13:48,220 --> 00:13:51,940 S2: to stand before God and make myself right with him 249 00:13:51,940 --> 00:13:55,579 S2: in any type of way. No equivocation. I have no 250 00:13:55,580 --> 00:13:59,300 S2: ability to do it, and none of us do. We 251 00:13:59,300 --> 00:14:03,540 S2: can't just go to God on our own, by our 252 00:14:03,540 --> 00:14:06,980 S2: own merit, by our own sacrifice, and say, God, I'm 253 00:14:07,020 --> 00:14:09,540 S2: good with you now. I can't make it right with him. 254 00:14:10,940 --> 00:14:16,020 S1: You have the power of this young thunder, which is powerhouse. Wow. 255 00:14:16,500 --> 00:14:21,700 S1: Great insight is that there's people listening right now that 256 00:14:22,060 --> 00:14:25,340 S1: the Spirit of God is so working in their life, 257 00:14:25,660 --> 00:14:29,940 S1: they will become an answer to the prayer of Jesus. Yes, 258 00:14:29,940 --> 00:14:32,980 S1: they will become that answer 100%. 259 00:14:33,300 --> 00:14:33,860 S2: It is so. 260 00:14:33,860 --> 00:14:37,940 S1: Right. They will repent. Yes, they will believe in Jesus. 261 00:14:37,940 --> 00:14:43,580 S1: And that's because Jesus is praying for their soul and salvation. 262 00:14:44,020 --> 00:14:49,180 S2: And and just like we are job's friends in this scenario, 263 00:14:49,340 --> 00:14:53,100 S2: we are the friends who were unrighteous and unable to 264 00:14:53,140 --> 00:14:56,940 S2: come to God with our own, our own ability to 265 00:14:56,980 --> 00:15:00,540 S2: receive his forgiveness. Job had to pray for his friends. 266 00:15:00,540 --> 00:15:04,820 S2: He was the righteous one who made intercession. Jesus is 267 00:15:04,820 --> 00:15:08,140 S2: job in this scenario. He is the righteous one that 268 00:15:08,140 --> 00:15:11,300 S2: makes intercession on your behalf so you can be connected 269 00:15:11,300 --> 00:15:16,740 S2: with the father. Hebrews 24 says, or actually Hebrews 25 says, 270 00:15:16,740 --> 00:15:20,500 S2: those who draw near to God through him. John 14 271 00:15:20,500 --> 00:15:22,660 S2: Jesus says, I'm the way, the truth, and the life. 272 00:15:22,660 --> 00:15:26,620 S2: No one comes to the father except through me. If 273 00:15:26,620 --> 00:15:28,580 S2: you want to be connected to God, if you want 274 00:15:28,580 --> 00:15:31,740 S2: forgiveness and relationship with the father, you have to come 275 00:15:31,740 --> 00:15:35,940 S2: through Jesus. And maybe you've been sitting here today and 276 00:15:35,940 --> 00:15:39,380 S2: you're listening to Christian radio because you've either focused on 277 00:15:39,380 --> 00:15:41,690 S2: your own merit, your own ability to get it done, 278 00:15:41,690 --> 00:15:43,850 S2: your own ability to get it right with God. Or 279 00:15:43,850 --> 00:15:46,050 S2: are you focused on maybe maybe you're sitting here because 280 00:15:46,050 --> 00:15:48,370 S2: you focused on going to a priest? I've gone and 281 00:15:48,370 --> 00:15:51,090 S2: I've talked to the priest and I've received he's told 282 00:15:51,090 --> 00:15:52,690 S2: me what to do. He's told me to pray these 283 00:15:52,690 --> 00:15:54,890 S2: prayers on how to make it right with God. No 284 00:15:54,890 --> 00:15:58,130 S2: human priest nor our own actions can make us right 285 00:15:58,130 --> 00:15:58,690 S2: with God. 286 00:15:58,730 --> 00:16:01,650 S1: Yeah, and it's a priest or pastor or leader. 287 00:16:01,690 --> 00:16:04,530 S2: No one can do it for you. Yeah, Jesus can 288 00:16:04,530 --> 00:16:08,330 S2: do it for you. His sacrifice and his priesthood are perfect, 289 00:16:08,330 --> 00:16:12,930 S2: and they continue forever. And how how do we receive it, Karl? 290 00:16:13,290 --> 00:16:15,410 S1: Well, I mean, and here's what's really cool about what 291 00:16:15,410 --> 00:16:18,330 S1: you're saying, because there's a lot of people that have 292 00:16:19,450 --> 00:16:24,490 S1: responded to a earthly figure and the words that he 293 00:16:24,490 --> 00:16:29,370 S1: or she said to say yes, but only response and 294 00:16:29,370 --> 00:16:32,850 S1: being an answer to the prayer of Jesus will save 295 00:16:32,850 --> 00:16:36,010 S1: you thoroughly and completely for eternity. 296 00:16:36,010 --> 00:16:38,250 S2: Absolutely. That is the only way. 297 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,680 S1: Some of you want to be an answer to Jesus's 298 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,280 S1: prayer today, and you never even thought of it until 299 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,120 S1: this moment, because the Spirit of God has quickened your soul. 300 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:53,680 S1: Jesus has been praying for your salvation since you were 301 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:59,800 S1: born before, and today he's calling you to be an 302 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,120 S1: answer to his prayer. This isn't going to a priest 303 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:07,320 S1: or a pastor. This is going to the Holy One 304 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:12,160 S1: who stands in that high priestly role, the Savior of 305 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,640 S1: the world. You say, how do I do it? You 306 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,320 S1: repent and you surrender all that you are to Jesus Christ. 307 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,680 S1: And you say to him, you are my Savior. You 308 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:27,040 S1: are my authority. I am answering your prayer for me today. 309 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:31,919 S1: I turn over my life completely to you. It's a 310 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:36,560 S1: cry of the soul. It's so personal. You go to 311 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,240 S1: the great High priest Jesus today, right now, and you 312 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,840 S1: surrender all you are to him. If that's you right now, 313 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:48,400 S1: come to Jesus. Be an answer to his prayer. You 314 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:52,000 S1: might say, well, how does that work, exactly? Do you 315 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,280 S1: believe that Jesus is the Son of God? Do you 316 00:17:55,280 --> 00:18:00,520 S1: believe now, quickened by the Spirit of God, that he 317 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:05,439 S1: died to make full remission of your sins? So you 318 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,760 S1: gotta see yourself as a sinner, but you come to 319 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:13,000 S1: Jesus and you say, I'm an answer to your prayer today. 320 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,920 S1: Today I repent, I turn, and I'm going to follow 321 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:22,239 S1: you all the days of my life. And if that's you, 322 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,160 S1: we want to help you in your first steps with 323 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,800 S1: Jesus today. If that's the cry of your soul before, 324 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,400 S1: you've never been an answer to the prayer of Jesus. 325 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,640 S1: You've responded to earthly words and earthly person, but you've 326 00:18:35,750 --> 00:18:39,110 S1: never looked to heaven and said, Jesus, thank you for 327 00:18:39,109 --> 00:18:42,430 S1: praying for me and today I surrender all that I 328 00:18:42,470 --> 00:18:46,630 S1: am to you. And if that's you today, it's a 329 00:18:46,630 --> 00:18:49,070 S1: cry of the soul, right, guys? This isn't some. 330 00:18:49,550 --> 00:18:50,550 S2: No words, man. 331 00:18:50,590 --> 00:18:52,750 S1: It's. It's no words. It's a cry of a soul 332 00:18:52,750 --> 00:18:57,790 S1: that says, thank you for praying for me today. I 333 00:18:57,830 --> 00:19:01,590 S1: surrender all that I am to Jesus. And if that's you, 334 00:19:01,630 --> 00:19:04,869 S1: we want to help you in your brand new first steps. 335 00:19:05,230 --> 00:19:08,230 S1: Being an answer to prayer to Jesus today by texting 336 00:19:08,230 --> 00:19:14,350 S1: the word new. New to (800) 555-7898. We're going to do 337 00:19:14,350 --> 00:19:18,629 S1: all we can to help you, and now is the 338 00:19:19,109 --> 00:19:22,870 S1: first offering we can give you in you being an 339 00:19:22,869 --> 00:19:25,990 S1: answer to Jesus's prayer today. God caught you at a 340 00:19:25,990 --> 00:19:29,630 S1: moment when you realized, man, there is there's no other 341 00:19:29,630 --> 00:19:31,990 S1: hope that I have in this world. But Jesus died, 342 00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:36,060 S1: paid the price, spilled his blood To take full remission 343 00:19:36,060 --> 00:19:40,900 S1: of your sins past, present, and future. And today you 344 00:19:40,900 --> 00:19:44,340 S1: are answering the call of Jesus. You're an answer to 345 00:19:44,380 --> 00:19:46,420 S1: his prayer. If that isn't the coolest thing, I don't 346 00:19:46,420 --> 00:19:49,700 S1: know what is. Text the word new wherever you are 347 00:19:49,700 --> 00:19:56,580 S1: right now to 800 555 7898 new. One word to 348 00:19:56,619 --> 00:20:03,940 S1: 800 555 7898. What a game changer. Passage of scripture 349 00:20:03,940 --> 00:20:05,620 S1: Young Thunder has given us today. 350 00:20:06,820 --> 00:20:09,979 S5: Get to know the team behind the scenes. Follow Carl 351 00:20:09,980 --> 00:20:12,100 S5: and crew on Facebook and Instagram. 352 00:20:12,140 --> 00:20:13,540 S6: I think one of the slipperiest. 353 00:20:13,540 --> 00:20:16,940 S1: Slopes that we find in the Christian world is, how 354 00:20:16,940 --> 00:20:21,419 S1: do we handle depression? And there it runs the gamut 355 00:20:21,420 --> 00:20:25,740 S1: all the way from get everyone on medication to medications, 356 00:20:25,740 --> 00:20:29,740 S1: no good to you name it. I mean, there's there's 357 00:20:29,780 --> 00:20:35,340 S1: a lot of opinions when it comes to depression. My 358 00:20:35,380 --> 00:20:39,180 S1: take on this thing is stay off meds if at 359 00:20:39,180 --> 00:20:43,580 S1: all possible, and do everything we can now. Often everything 360 00:20:43,580 --> 00:20:48,419 S1: we can is dealing with things like depression at a 361 00:20:48,420 --> 00:20:53,820 S1: very cellular level. We almost have a counseling approach to 362 00:20:53,859 --> 00:20:59,179 S1: depression that leverages nothing with regard to the Word of God. 363 00:21:00,060 --> 00:21:03,420 S2: Yeah, you're absolutely right. I think, and like you said, 364 00:21:03,420 --> 00:21:05,700 S2: there's so many different ways of handling this that then 365 00:21:05,700 --> 00:21:07,379 S2: you get the kind of the other side of the 366 00:21:07,380 --> 00:21:11,939 S2: pendulum swing where someone goes and says that they're depressed, 367 00:21:11,940 --> 00:21:14,220 S2: and we throw a couple verses at them, and then 368 00:21:14,220 --> 00:21:17,739 S2: we walk away and, and, and so there are so 369 00:21:17,740 --> 00:21:21,859 S2: many ways we can handle this incorrectly. Yeah. 370 00:21:22,540 --> 00:21:26,540 S1: Yeah, it's a big challenge. It really is. So coming 371 00:21:26,540 --> 00:21:28,780 S1: up here in a moment, we're going to be talking 372 00:21:28,780 --> 00:21:34,850 S1: about spiritual Depression. I don't know that I've ever had those. 373 00:21:34,890 --> 00:21:37,290 S1: I've heard those words. But I don't know that anyone's 374 00:21:37,290 --> 00:21:43,730 S1: ever tackled depression from a takeoff point of it's a 375 00:21:43,770 --> 00:21:47,490 S1: spiritual issue. I think most Christian counselors would say there's 376 00:21:47,490 --> 00:21:52,850 S1: a spiritual issue going on here, but when that's your default, 377 00:21:52,850 --> 00:21:57,250 S1: let's talk about spiritual depression. That's a game changer. Hang on. 378 00:21:57,250 --> 00:21:58,169 S1: That's coming up. 379 00:21:59,090 --> 00:22:03,050 S5: Take your next step with Jesus today. You're listening to 380 00:22:03,090 --> 00:22:04,090 S5: Carl and crew. 381 00:22:04,250 --> 00:22:09,490 S1: One of the great misses in Christianity today. Really being 382 00:22:09,490 --> 00:22:14,490 S1: a disciple of Christ is that we often we often 383 00:22:15,010 --> 00:22:20,730 S1: demonize depression. We actually Pooh Pooh it and we think, ah, 384 00:22:21,250 --> 00:22:24,210 S1: I mean, if God came to give us the abundant life, 385 00:22:24,210 --> 00:22:26,409 S1: how dare I be depressed? Well, all you got to 386 00:22:26,410 --> 00:22:29,370 S1: do is read the Psalms and you realize great men 387 00:22:29,369 --> 00:22:33,800 S1: and women of old have gone through seasons of real discouragement. 388 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,040 S1: But I think it's important for us to distinguish between 389 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,200 S1: depression that is commonly categorized in the world today and 390 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,600 S1: how they treat it, versus the spiritual war and the 391 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:51,440 S1: reality of what this guest has spiritual depression. That's his topic, 392 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,320 S1: and we want to get after it. Nate Pinkowitz with 393 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,880 S1: us right now. Nate, I am so grateful that you've 394 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:01,840 S1: tackled this topic, spiritual depression. Delineate for us the difference 395 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:07,120 S1: between what is diagnosed as everyday depression garden variety depression 396 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,000 S1: versus spiritual depression. 397 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,720 S7: Uh, it's a challenging question because I think there's a 398 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,600 S7: lot of confusion, a lot of different opinions about it. 399 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,480 S7: I generally try to stay clear of the so-called medical 400 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,440 S7: or clinical stuff, and I usually tell people if someone 401 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,760 S7: has a condition where there's something wrong with their brain, 402 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,119 S7: with their body, with their physiology, then go talk to 403 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,950 S7: a trusted doctor. But what I'm talking about specifically is 404 00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:33,750 S7: issues of the mind and of the heart. Anytime the 405 00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:37,669 S7: Bible deals with things like anxiety, fear, depression, worry, it 406 00:23:37,710 --> 00:23:40,990 S7: deals with them on spiritual terms. And so, so much 407 00:23:40,990 --> 00:23:42,950 S7: of this in the life of the believer is trying 408 00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:45,070 S7: to get our heart and our mind and our faith 409 00:23:45,070 --> 00:23:48,109 S7: and our walk right with God and do the things 410 00:23:48,109 --> 00:23:50,270 S7: that he is commanding us to do. Again, this is 411 00:23:50,270 --> 00:23:53,150 S7: not under the guise of having something wrong with you 412 00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:56,629 S7: physically or in your brain, but something in your life 413 00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:58,350 S7: and your mind and your heart. So that's really what 414 00:23:58,350 --> 00:24:00,230 S7: I want to get at, is, is how to battle 415 00:24:00,270 --> 00:24:02,870 S7: those on those terms and how to give victory for 416 00:24:02,869 --> 00:24:04,630 S7: the believer who's struggling in this area. 417 00:24:04,869 --> 00:24:08,350 S1: You know, I think we've done a pretty good job 418 00:24:08,350 --> 00:24:14,830 S1: as of late, highlighting the reality that depression, uh, can happen. 419 00:24:14,830 --> 00:24:16,670 S1: In fact, I'm going to be this bold. I don't 420 00:24:16,670 --> 00:24:20,710 S1: know that anyone who's a follower of Jesus can avoid 421 00:24:20,869 --> 00:24:25,830 S1: seasons or bouts with spiritual depression. What do you say? 422 00:24:26,590 --> 00:24:29,390 S7: Yeah, I think that's probably accurate. I know a few 423 00:24:29,390 --> 00:24:32,230 S7: people who tell me they haven't, but most Christians that 424 00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:35,669 S7: I know have gone through either seasons or bouts or 425 00:24:35,670 --> 00:24:38,470 S7: just personal struggles in this area. Sometimes it might be 426 00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:41,710 S7: a lack of assurance of faith. It could be overcoming 427 00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:45,230 S7: or overcome with worry, fear, anxiety, or just a lowness 428 00:24:45,230 --> 00:24:47,470 S7: of spirit. A lot of people struggle, and even a 429 00:24:47,470 --> 00:24:49,630 S7: lot of people in church history and even in the 430 00:24:49,630 --> 00:24:52,270 S7: Bible have struggled with this very thing. So it's a 431 00:24:52,270 --> 00:24:54,510 S7: very real experience for most believers. 432 00:24:55,070 --> 00:24:58,070 S1: Yeah, you mentioned it and it's so true. We talk 433 00:24:58,070 --> 00:25:00,790 S1: a lot about this here with Carl and crew in 434 00:25:00,790 --> 00:25:03,709 S1: the mornings, and we tackle it from a perspective of 435 00:25:04,030 --> 00:25:06,869 S1: the mind is the battlefield. And we know that we're 436 00:25:06,869 --> 00:25:10,830 S1: to take thoughts captive and we're to be renewed, becoming 437 00:25:10,830 --> 00:25:14,670 S1: worshipers of God by renewing our minds. So the mind 438 00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:19,950 S1: is a battlefield. I think we underestimate Nate, how significant 439 00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:21,510 S1: this is. What do you say? 440 00:25:21,950 --> 00:25:25,629 S7: Yeah. There's an old adage that your mind affects your emotions, 441 00:25:25,630 --> 00:25:28,900 S7: which affects your will. So what you think about what 442 00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:32,139 S7: you focus your mind on the immaterial part of who 443 00:25:32,180 --> 00:25:35,220 S7: you are, your whatever your mind is focused on is 444 00:25:35,220 --> 00:25:37,899 S7: going to inform how you feel, and how you feel 445 00:25:37,900 --> 00:25:41,260 S7: will dictate what you do. So there's a connection between 446 00:25:41,540 --> 00:25:45,020 S7: your thinking and your believing and your feeling and your actions. 447 00:25:45,020 --> 00:25:47,940 S7: And so if we don't learn to discipline and control 448 00:25:47,940 --> 00:25:50,700 S7: our mind and have a presence of mind, to follow 449 00:25:50,700 --> 00:25:52,940 S7: the Lord and obey him and do the things he's 450 00:25:52,940 --> 00:25:54,660 S7: calling us to do, even in the way that we 451 00:25:54,660 --> 00:25:57,660 S7: respond to trials, if we don't learn how to do that, 452 00:25:57,660 --> 00:25:59,580 S7: we are going to struggle. And so, so much of this, 453 00:25:59,580 --> 00:26:01,459 S7: as you said, is a battle of the mind. And 454 00:26:01,460 --> 00:26:03,260 S7: that's what I try to help people tackle. 455 00:26:03,980 --> 00:26:08,100 S1: The only offensive spiritual weapon of war that we find 456 00:26:08,140 --> 00:26:13,820 S1: in the Ephesians six passage on these, uh, implements of 457 00:26:13,820 --> 00:26:18,260 S1: armor and battle is the Word of God. And it's, 458 00:26:18,260 --> 00:26:20,660 S1: by the way, the rhema word of God, the spoken 459 00:26:20,660 --> 00:26:23,619 S1: word of God, getting it off your lips. It's almost 460 00:26:23,619 --> 00:26:27,490 S1: like a spiritual Self-talk kind of a thing. How much 461 00:26:27,490 --> 00:26:29,889 S1: do you drill down on in your new book, Overcoming 462 00:26:29,890 --> 00:26:34,170 S1: the Darkness Biblical Help for Spiritual Depression. How much do 463 00:26:34,170 --> 00:26:38,250 S1: you think? Wait it out versus just having good conversations 464 00:26:38,250 --> 00:26:40,930 S1: and being in fellowship and giving your lives away, which 465 00:26:40,930 --> 00:26:43,570 S1: you prescribe, are some of the most important elements here. 466 00:26:43,890 --> 00:26:47,210 S1: How central is the Word of God to getting victory 467 00:26:47,210 --> 00:26:48,890 S1: over spiritual depression? 468 00:26:49,250 --> 00:26:52,810 S7: It's absolutely key. And you know, when you look at 469 00:26:52,850 --> 00:26:55,730 S7: the what I've written, so much of my book is 470 00:26:55,730 --> 00:26:59,770 S7: just trying to understand and apply Scripture. Scripture is there. 471 00:26:59,970 --> 00:27:02,610 S7: I also have Scripture guides. You know, sometimes when you're 472 00:27:02,609 --> 00:27:06,330 S7: in about a depression like that, when you're struggling, sometimes 473 00:27:06,330 --> 00:27:09,209 S7: you can't, you know, listen to a whole long talk 474 00:27:09,210 --> 00:27:11,290 S7: or a sermon or even a whole book, but you 475 00:27:11,290 --> 00:27:13,969 S7: can grab a verse, you can grab a part of 476 00:27:13,970 --> 00:27:16,970 S7: a verse sometimes. And it's the truth of God's Word 477 00:27:16,970 --> 00:27:19,770 S7: that informs and changes us. You know, we live in 478 00:27:19,770 --> 00:27:22,210 S7: a world that's just embedded with lies, and even we 479 00:27:22,210 --> 00:27:25,169 S7: lie to ourselves. We believe things that aren't true about 480 00:27:25,170 --> 00:27:28,330 S7: who we are, who God is, and what our situation is. 481 00:27:28,369 --> 00:27:31,889 S7: And so to reinforce truth and there is no greater, 482 00:27:31,890 --> 00:27:34,970 S7: truer truth than the Word of God. And so we 483 00:27:34,970 --> 00:27:37,570 S7: need that to learn it, to read it, to know it, 484 00:27:37,609 --> 00:27:42,490 S7: memorize it, to ponder it. It's so important to recovery. Absolutely. 485 00:27:43,050 --> 00:27:47,369 S1: You know, I used to think depression was something that 486 00:27:47,369 --> 00:27:53,330 S1: was characteristic of certain personalities until I hit about when 487 00:27:53,330 --> 00:27:57,369 S1: I got into a bout of spiritual depression. It created 488 00:27:57,369 --> 00:28:00,850 S1: in me way more empathy. Nate. It created way more 489 00:28:00,850 --> 00:28:03,330 S1: empathy in my heart. And that's maybe one of the 490 00:28:03,330 --> 00:28:07,930 S1: best takeaways for me. But when you're in spiritual depression, 491 00:28:08,690 --> 00:28:12,649 S1: it's a fog that is unusual and you don't even 492 00:28:12,650 --> 00:28:17,730 S1: know your way out. Have you experienced this yourself, Nate? 493 00:28:17,730 --> 00:28:20,050 S1: And what was the first thing that you hung on 494 00:28:20,090 --> 00:28:24,159 S1: to that made some some path clarity before you. 495 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,200 S7: Yeah, I've struggled with various kinds of spiritual depression since 496 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,359 S7: I was a child. I remember just being a really 497 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,240 S7: anxious kid and struggling in those areas. And when I 498 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,359 S7: became an adult, it just began to overtake me until 499 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,160 S7: I became a Christian. And then once I became a Christian, 500 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,560 S7: I started reading my Bible and realizing that that wasn't 501 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,120 S7: God's desire for me, that he didn't want me to 502 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,360 S7: be anxious or worried or fearful. So for me, I 503 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,560 S7: just held on to the promises of God. I would 504 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,160 S7: go to places like Matthew six where Jesus says, do 505 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,120 S7: not be anxious for your life, things like that. When 506 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,080 S7: he says, come to me, all you who are weary 507 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,440 S7: and heavy laden, and I will give you rest. I 508 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,640 S7: begin to go to God's Word and minister the truth 509 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,120 S7: of God's Word to my own heart. And you know 510 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,760 S7: the challenges to believe, to focus in, on, and believe 511 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,640 S7: on what God is saying to you and not listening 512 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,120 S7: to what yourself is saying to you. That's what David 513 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,320 S7: does in Psalm 42. You know, he's asking himself, why 514 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,470 S7: are you so downcast? And then he gives himself the answer. 515 00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:25,070 S7: Hope in God. I'll again praise him. So. So important 516 00:29:25,070 --> 00:29:28,070 S7: to to know the Word of God. And as you said, 517 00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:31,070 S7: to experience that. And when you have experienced that, to 518 00:29:31,070 --> 00:29:33,310 S7: be able to help other people and have empathy and 519 00:29:33,310 --> 00:29:35,470 S7: a heart for other people, it's so important. 520 00:29:35,470 --> 00:29:38,590 S1: I gotta believe there are tens of thousands right now 521 00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:41,830 S1: listening that are hanging on this word. It's hopeful just 522 00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:45,270 S1: to have it identified that, wow, you can get into 523 00:29:45,310 --> 00:29:48,910 S1: spiritual depression, but there is biblical help for it as well. 524 00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:52,550 S1: Nate Pickett's my guest right now. He's a pastor, unusual 525 00:29:52,550 --> 00:29:56,510 S1: pastor in that he got his chops in financial services. 526 00:29:56,550 --> 00:29:58,790 S1: God called him out of this. I love those kind 527 00:29:58,830 --> 00:30:01,630 S1: of stories. When we get back, we're going to get 528 00:30:01,630 --> 00:30:05,150 S1: into some specifics. This will prime the pump for some 529 00:30:05,150 --> 00:30:08,510 S1: of you to go grab this resource, this book. But 530 00:30:08,510 --> 00:30:11,030 S1: yet we want to give you hope today. Hang on 531 00:30:11,070 --> 00:30:12,469 S1: more with Nate straight ahead. 532 00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:16,870 S5: Your spiritual pit stop to keep you going in the race. 533 00:30:17,030 --> 00:30:19,230 S5: You're listening to Carl and crew. 534 00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:22,550 S1: Nate Pinkowitz my guest right now. He's the pastor of 535 00:30:22,550 --> 00:30:26,990 S1: Harvest Bible Church in New Hampshire. And Nate, I'm thrilled 536 00:30:26,990 --> 00:30:29,430 S1: that you're tackling this topic, and I'm thrilled that you're 537 00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:32,670 S1: not you're not putting a big bucket. It's like biblical 538 00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:38,670 S1: help for depression. You've quantified it as spiritual depression. Explain 539 00:30:38,670 --> 00:30:41,230 S1: why you put in that word spiritual. And then we're 540 00:30:41,230 --> 00:30:43,070 S1: going to get to some anecdotes here. 541 00:30:43,470 --> 00:30:45,790 S7: Yeah, I think the reason it's important to talk about 542 00:30:45,790 --> 00:30:48,190 S7: it as being a spiritual thing is because we're not 543 00:30:48,190 --> 00:30:50,910 S7: talking about something that's physically wrong with a person. There's 544 00:30:50,910 --> 00:30:54,310 S7: nothing wrong with their brain. You know, sometimes our physical 545 00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:57,270 S7: can affect our emotions in a way, and you need 546 00:30:57,270 --> 00:30:59,989 S7: some kind of help outside of that. And like I 547 00:30:59,990 --> 00:31:01,870 S7: tell people, go to a doctor if you think there's 548 00:31:01,870 --> 00:31:04,750 S7: something wrong with you physically. However, when you're talking about 549 00:31:04,750 --> 00:31:07,710 S7: the issues of the mind and of the heart, your faith, 550 00:31:07,710 --> 00:31:10,430 S7: your feelings, you know what's going on inside of you 551 00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:13,750 S7: on a spiritual level. Uh, that's something, you know, a 552 00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:16,990 S7: person can't deal with you on those terms. On medical terms. 553 00:31:16,990 --> 00:31:18,780 S7: You need the Lord. You need the Word of God 554 00:31:18,780 --> 00:31:21,140 S7: to minister to you? So that's what I'm hoping to do, 555 00:31:21,140 --> 00:31:24,260 S7: is just take the Bible's remedies for these problems and 556 00:31:24,260 --> 00:31:26,500 S7: try to apply it in the life of the believer, 557 00:31:26,620 --> 00:31:29,340 S7: so that all of us, as believers, can can access 558 00:31:29,340 --> 00:31:32,380 S7: the Word of God and have those helps for spiritual depression. 559 00:31:32,380 --> 00:31:34,540 S7: So something that's near and dear to my own heart, 560 00:31:34,540 --> 00:31:36,140 S7: and hopefully it's going to be helpful to a lot 561 00:31:36,180 --> 00:31:36,700 S7: of people. 562 00:31:36,740 --> 00:31:39,740 S1: Yeah, I believe it will. You know, you outlined causes 563 00:31:39,740 --> 00:31:46,540 S1: for spiritual depression as exhaustion, laziness, selfishness, fear, spiritual rebellion, 564 00:31:46,780 --> 00:31:51,500 S1: but you also mentioned spiritual forgetfulness. What do you mean 565 00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:52,180 S1: by that? 566 00:31:52,540 --> 00:31:54,860 S7: That's an interesting one, because I think there are times, 567 00:31:54,860 --> 00:31:58,660 S7: especially as believers, when we know certain truths, you know, 568 00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:02,020 S7: we understand the gospel of our salvation. We understand that 569 00:32:02,020 --> 00:32:05,460 S7: Jesus died on the cross to pay for our sins, 570 00:32:05,460 --> 00:32:08,460 S7: that the penalty for our sins is gone. And yet 571 00:32:08,460 --> 00:32:11,140 S7: when we get into these bouts where we're struggling with 572 00:32:11,140 --> 00:32:15,420 S7: depression or anxiety or fear or worry, and sometimes we forget, 573 00:32:15,460 --> 00:32:18,050 S7: we forget that God has already done the work. We 574 00:32:18,050 --> 00:32:20,650 S7: forget that we belong to Christ and we're, as the 575 00:32:20,650 --> 00:32:23,490 S7: Bible said, seated with him in the heavenly places. We 576 00:32:23,490 --> 00:32:26,250 S7: have reason for hope. We tend to forget those things 577 00:32:26,250 --> 00:32:28,810 S7: and we have to remind ourselves, wait a second here. 578 00:32:29,010 --> 00:32:32,010 S7: I actually belong to the Lord and he loves me. 579 00:32:32,050 --> 00:32:35,130 S7: He has a plan for my life, for my future. 580 00:32:35,370 --> 00:32:39,050 S7: He wants something for me to be his child and 581 00:32:39,050 --> 00:32:42,850 S7: to grow. So I think to remember his promises. Remember 582 00:32:42,850 --> 00:32:45,610 S7: the work he's done. It's vitally important to pulling out 583 00:32:45,650 --> 00:32:46,170 S7: of this. 584 00:32:46,410 --> 00:32:50,650 S1: Okay, let's get really pragmatic, because the one significant bout 585 00:32:50,690 --> 00:32:53,489 S1: of spiritual depression that I had and I did it, 586 00:32:53,490 --> 00:32:55,930 S1: was it came on the heels of a deep, deep 587 00:32:56,130 --> 00:32:59,970 S1: wound of betrayal. And I felt like the world was 588 00:33:00,010 --> 00:33:03,410 S1: against me and I didn't. I couldn't even hear. I 589 00:33:03,530 --> 00:33:07,850 S1: heard the words, God is for you. But it almost 590 00:33:07,850 --> 00:33:14,690 S1: didn't cut through the fog of that opposition and depression. Pragmatically, 591 00:33:14,730 --> 00:33:19,770 S1: how do we take the truth of God's Word and 592 00:33:19,770 --> 00:33:24,570 S1: penetrate the darkness and the fog in a distorted thinking 593 00:33:24,610 --> 00:33:25,810 S1: to set us free? 594 00:33:26,490 --> 00:33:29,050 S7: Yeah, I think the first thing anyone has to do 595 00:33:29,050 --> 00:33:31,850 S7: is go directly to the Lord. You know, even though, 596 00:33:32,050 --> 00:33:34,930 S7: you know, we're called to examine ourselves and to look 597 00:33:34,930 --> 00:33:37,650 S7: and ask questions and really try to drill down, why 598 00:33:37,650 --> 00:33:39,530 S7: do I feel the way that I feel? Again, that's 599 00:33:39,530 --> 00:33:43,490 S7: David in Psalm 42. Ultimately, we're going to find our 600 00:33:43,490 --> 00:33:47,290 S7: source of hope and joy and healing in Christ. The 601 00:33:47,290 --> 00:33:49,530 S7: first thing you have to do is go to him 602 00:33:49,530 --> 00:33:52,810 S7: in prayer. If you know that you're struggling, maybe it's 603 00:33:52,810 --> 00:33:55,250 S7: a sin issue that you have to confess. Or maybe 604 00:33:55,250 --> 00:33:57,610 S7: you've been sinned against, and you have to ask the 605 00:33:57,610 --> 00:34:00,850 S7: Lord to help you to to forgive them, or even 606 00:34:00,850 --> 00:34:03,330 S7: to just put your hope and your trust in him 607 00:34:03,330 --> 00:34:06,570 S7: and trust in his work of restoration, to trust in 608 00:34:06,570 --> 00:34:09,969 S7: his judgments. But I think going to God, recognizing that 609 00:34:09,969 --> 00:34:12,490 S7: you can't do it on your own, you need his help. 610 00:34:12,530 --> 00:34:14,960 S7: He's able to do things in you spiritually that you 611 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,440 S7: just can't do for yourself. So I think on the 612 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,880 S7: most practical level, get some time alone with God. Open 613 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,320 S7: God's Word. I think the Psalms are a great place 614 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,239 S7: to be because the Psalms sort of resonate with our 615 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,759 S7: hearts emotions. But I think getting alone with God and 616 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,839 S7: just pouring out your heart to him, tell him what's 617 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,880 S7: going on. And then even in light of that, talking 618 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,480 S7: to a trusted friend, you know, a spiritual leader, a 619 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,720 S7: pastor or a counselor, and just talking these things through 620 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,480 S7: getting it out of yourself, otherwise you'll start to believe 621 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:44,880 S7: lies that just aren't true. 622 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,399 S1: Yeah, I believe that there is something about opening your 623 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,799 S1: chest cavity, pouring out your soul to someone. Articulating what 624 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,840 S1: you're feeling can be one of the big breakthroughs. It's 625 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,760 S1: interesting to me because as you think about spiritual depression, 626 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,480 S1: and I can testify to this because when you're in 627 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,319 S1: spiritual depression, sometimes the last thing you're thinking about is 628 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,240 S1: being obedient to the Word of God because you're thinking, 629 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,560 S1: for crying out loud, I'm depressed. I need a pass 630 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:17,590 S1: on some of these things. Maybe not forsaking the fellowshipping 631 00:35:17,630 --> 00:35:22,590 S1: together with other saints. All right. It can be a battle, 632 00:35:22,590 --> 00:35:27,430 S1: but you've seen real hope in staying obedient, even though 633 00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:30,790 S1: you're going through the fog of spiritual depression. Speak to that. 634 00:35:31,110 --> 00:35:33,509 S7: Yeah. I think one of the things that depression will 635 00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:36,469 S7: do to you is it isolates you. It stops you 636 00:35:36,469 --> 00:35:40,670 S7: from forward progress. It just, you know, ultimately this drives 637 00:35:40,670 --> 00:35:42,549 S7: you to the very bottom of the pit, as I 638 00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:44,629 S7: like to describe it, where you just can't see your 639 00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:47,670 S7: way out. But I think part of pulling out of that, 640 00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:49,430 S7: and that's part of why I wanted to write the 641 00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:51,509 S7: book the way that I did, is to try to 642 00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:53,750 S7: give people a couple of steps just to take a 643 00:35:53,790 --> 00:35:57,989 S7: little push forward, and sometimes even just the basic disciplines 644 00:35:57,989 --> 00:36:00,230 S7: of like what you're talking about, even just showing up 645 00:36:00,230 --> 00:36:03,390 S7: and being at church with God's people, or just the 646 00:36:03,390 --> 00:36:07,190 S7: discipline of opening your Bible and just reading something, or 647 00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:10,350 S7: even the discipline of just stopping and praying and talking 648 00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:13,870 S7: to God. Sometimes the most simple things. It's not going 649 00:36:13,870 --> 00:36:15,910 S7: to set the world on fire, but at least it's 650 00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:19,270 S7: forward progress. And sometimes it just takes that little step 651 00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:22,870 S7: of discipline and obedience to break the dam and everything 652 00:36:22,910 --> 00:36:26,670 S7: starts coming out. So don't underestimate the value of just 653 00:36:26,670 --> 00:36:30,070 S7: the small things. Even just getting up and making your bed. 654 00:36:30,110 --> 00:36:33,310 S7: Taking a shower. Small things can make a big deal. 655 00:36:33,350 --> 00:36:35,950 S7: A big difference when you're struggling with spiritual depression. So 656 00:36:35,950 --> 00:36:38,190 S7: don't underestimate discipline and obedience. 657 00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:42,069 S1: Amen. Nate Pinkowitz is, uh, our guest, and he's got 658 00:36:42,070 --> 00:36:46,510 S1: a workout from Moody Publishers. It's dynamite. I want you to. 659 00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:49,950 S1: There's thousands of you right now that are saying, man, 660 00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:55,350 S1: this is so practical. This is so pragmatic. This might 661 00:36:55,350 --> 00:36:59,510 S1: be a resource you need to grab if it's throwing 662 00:36:59,510 --> 00:37:03,029 S1: a few shekels down to get some freedom from spiritual depression, 663 00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:07,190 S1: you're like, yeah, let's do it. Text the word overcome 664 00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:10,940 S1: right now. Overcome. The name of the book is Overcoming 665 00:37:10,940 --> 00:37:18,420 S1: the Darkness. Biblical help for Spiritual Depression text overcome to 805, 666 00:37:18,460 --> 00:37:24,260 S1: 55 7898, 805, 55, 78, 98. 667 00:37:24,739 --> 00:37:27,420 S5: Your shot of hope to help you through the day. 668 00:37:27,739 --> 00:37:30,859 S5: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio. 669 00:37:31,020 --> 00:37:33,740 S1: Okay, I got some good news for you guys. Ready 670 00:37:33,739 --> 00:37:34,820 S1: for some good news? 671 00:37:34,860 --> 00:37:36,140 S2: Always. Please give it to me. 672 00:37:36,380 --> 00:37:40,700 S1: Chivalry still gets style points. Yeah. What do you say? 673 00:37:40,739 --> 00:37:41,419 S1: Super guy? 674 00:37:41,460 --> 00:37:42,060 S3: Yes. 675 00:37:43,180 --> 00:37:45,740 S1: I mean, it's one thing for you to say. Amen. 676 00:37:45,739 --> 00:37:48,660 S1: It's another thing for super guy to say amen. 677 00:37:48,940 --> 00:37:51,500 S2: I say amen from the context of being a man 678 00:37:51,500 --> 00:37:54,379 S2: who's married to a wife. Who knows? Who knows that 679 00:37:54,380 --> 00:37:56,060 S2: chivalry isn't dead. 680 00:37:56,100 --> 00:37:57,180 S1: It's not dead. 681 00:37:57,219 --> 00:37:58,500 S2: Baby still gets still. 682 00:37:58,540 --> 00:38:03,420 S1: Gets style points. And what is manhood? Well, manhood in 683 00:38:03,460 --> 00:38:08,020 S1: the context of marriage is loving our wife. Men as 684 00:38:08,020 --> 00:38:12,250 S1: Christ loved Love the church now he died for the church. 685 00:38:12,250 --> 00:38:16,530 S1: So get ready to die, dudes. No. I'm serious. 686 00:38:16,570 --> 00:38:17,090 S2: It's true. 687 00:38:17,650 --> 00:38:20,689 S1: If we don't die to self and learn to live 688 00:38:20,690 --> 00:38:23,689 S1: with our wives in an understanding way, we're going to 689 00:38:23,730 --> 00:38:26,689 S1: miss the blessing of God. Like the broad side of 690 00:38:26,690 --> 00:38:29,890 S1: a barn. Yeah. And so we are going to feature 691 00:38:29,890 --> 00:38:32,490 S1: something coming up here in a little bit. That is 692 00:38:32,489 --> 00:38:36,689 S1: going to be dynamite. It is a conference that there 693 00:38:36,690 --> 00:38:40,330 S1: is time to get signed up for you can you 694 00:38:40,330 --> 00:38:43,330 S1: don't even have to be in Ohio to be a 695 00:38:43,330 --> 00:38:45,650 S1: part of this thing. Some of you are like, good, 696 00:38:45,690 --> 00:38:48,410 S1: because I don't want to go and I'm too far away. 697 00:38:48,969 --> 00:38:51,170 S1: But you can do this online. We're going to give 698 00:38:51,170 --> 00:38:55,170 S1: you details. And we got a special guest ducking in here. Yep. 699 00:38:55,170 --> 00:38:56,770 S1: The man, the myth, the legend. 700 00:38:56,810 --> 00:38:57,410 S2: Another one. 701 00:38:57,610 --> 00:39:01,370 S1: 10th president of Moody Bible Institute, doctor Mark Jobe, is 702 00:39:01,370 --> 00:39:03,370 S1: going to be with us in just a little bit. 703 00:39:04,290 --> 00:39:06,810 S5: The gospel changes everything. 704 00:39:07,010 --> 00:39:09,210 S8: Where else am I going to gonna find peace? Joy, 705 00:39:09,250 --> 00:39:13,330 S8: eternal life not found in anyone else. 706 00:39:13,370 --> 00:39:15,210 S5: You're listening to Carl and crew. 707 00:39:15,410 --> 00:39:16,570 S6: With us right. 708 00:39:16,570 --> 00:39:20,610 S1: Now. The man, the myth, the legend. The 10th president 709 00:39:20,610 --> 00:39:24,370 S1: of Moody Bible Institute, pastor Mark Jobe. How are you doing, 710 00:39:24,370 --> 00:39:25,050 S1: my friend? 711 00:39:25,290 --> 00:39:26,890 S9: Carl, I'm doing great. 712 00:39:27,050 --> 00:39:29,009 S1: So good to have you with us. All right. Big 713 00:39:29,010 --> 00:39:33,730 S1: announcement came out recently. I'm not going to sing. Turn 714 00:39:33,730 --> 00:39:35,690 S1: out the lights. The party's over because the lights are 715 00:39:35,690 --> 00:39:38,610 S1: still on and cooking here. But, boy, God is. God 716 00:39:38,610 --> 00:39:42,090 S1: has shown you that. It is time for you to transition. 717 00:39:42,090 --> 00:39:47,010 S1: For those that don't know, pastor Mark Jobe has announced 718 00:39:47,010 --> 00:39:51,210 S1: that he is going to begin a transition. Uh, we 719 00:39:51,250 --> 00:39:54,689 S1: are in the process of looking for the 11th president 720 00:39:54,730 --> 00:39:57,969 S1: of Moody Bible Institute, and I got to start by 721 00:39:57,969 --> 00:40:01,969 S1: saying I was so sad and yet glad at the 722 00:40:01,969 --> 00:40:04,969 S1: same time. Give us the back story on this, mark. 723 00:40:05,010 --> 00:40:08,160 S9: Yeah. You know, most of the listeners know that I've 724 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:13,600 S9: been pastoring in pastoral, church planting, evangelism type ministry for 725 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,879 S9: many years. When Moody called me up to see if 726 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,759 S9: I would entertain being the 10th president, I kind of 727 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,680 S9: laughed at the time. And my wife said, why are 728 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,200 S9: you laughing? I said, well, I love moody, but I 729 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,279 S9: don't want to leave lead Moody. I love what I'm doing. 730 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,400 S1: That sounds like an Abraham Sarai story, right? Exactly. 731 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,799 S9: It does a little bit. And you know, I've learned 732 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,560 S9: to listen to the Holy Spirit and my wife over 733 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,439 S9: the years. And, um, she said, I think you should 734 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,719 S9: at least pray about it. And I was a little 735 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,879 S9: bit surprised because she loves what we're doing as well. 736 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,960 S9: So we did. We fasted, we prayed and felt this. God, 737 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,560 S9: if you want us to take this, make it very 738 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,400 S9: clear at the end of four months a unanimous vote 739 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,680 S9: by the board. Just a lot of things in line. 740 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,470 S9: We knew God was saying, take this assignment. And so 741 00:41:09,150 --> 00:41:14,630 S9: I stepped in with never desiring to to do this, 742 00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:18,109 S9: but with a clear sense. This is my assignment and 743 00:41:18,110 --> 00:41:21,910 S9: it's been a great run. I've so enjoyed Moody. I 744 00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:25,109 S9: tell I told someone last week I'm leaving Moody as 745 00:41:25,110 --> 00:41:29,950 S9: a super fan. I appreciate Moody more as I'm leaving 746 00:41:29,950 --> 00:41:32,710 S9: than I did when I came in. I value it more. 747 00:41:32,750 --> 00:41:36,310 S9: I see the hand of God on this place, but 748 00:41:36,510 --> 00:41:40,230 S9: I also, when I started, Carl had a sense that 749 00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:44,190 S9: it was an assignment for a season. Yeah. In fact, um, 750 00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:47,390 S9: the coup that started with me, he asked me, Mark, 751 00:41:47,390 --> 00:41:49,149 S9: how long do you plan to stay at Moody? I said, 752 00:41:49,150 --> 00:41:51,390 S9: I don't know, but I feel like it's an assignment. 753 00:41:51,790 --> 00:41:56,070 S9: If Moody's going well, if we're on mission, if Enrollment's good, 754 00:41:56,070 --> 00:41:59,509 S9: if our finances are good, if we're in a good place. 755 00:42:00,030 --> 00:42:03,230 S9: I told him seven years ago I didn't make this public, 756 00:42:03,230 --> 00:42:06,420 S9: but I told him, you know, 2026 would be a 757 00:42:06,420 --> 00:42:11,940 S9: great time. It's the 100th year anniversary of radio 140th 758 00:42:11,940 --> 00:42:15,339 S9: year anniversary of the school. It's a great time to 759 00:42:15,380 --> 00:42:18,660 S9: celebrate the past, but also cast a vision for the future. 760 00:42:19,020 --> 00:42:21,900 S9: That would be a great time if we're doing well. 761 00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:26,140 S9: And by God's grace, we are. And so I let 762 00:42:26,140 --> 00:42:29,540 S9: the board know that that was my intention. They've been 763 00:42:29,540 --> 00:42:34,180 S9: super supportive. We have a great team in place. And, um, 764 00:42:34,219 --> 00:42:37,100 S9: the other thing that struck me, Carl, is, you know, 765 00:42:37,140 --> 00:42:41,060 S9: we had said we wanted to double our impact by 2030. 766 00:42:41,100 --> 00:42:41,460 S6: Yeah. 767 00:42:41,900 --> 00:42:44,020 S9: And, um, you know, at the time, I'd asked how 768 00:42:44,020 --> 00:42:48,859 S9: many people is moody impacting currently through radio, through publishing, 769 00:42:48,860 --> 00:42:53,580 S9: through education. And they estimated in 2019 that it was 770 00:42:54,020 --> 00:42:57,900 S9: between 8 to 10 million people a year. And so 771 00:42:57,900 --> 00:43:01,020 S9: we started praying that we would impact 20 million people 772 00:43:01,020 --> 00:43:04,259 S9: a year. I had a board member tell me recently that, 773 00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:06,380 S9: you know, it was a tough time at Moody at 774 00:43:06,420 --> 00:43:09,140 S9: that time and education and all these things were going 775 00:43:09,140 --> 00:43:11,459 S9: on and they thought it was, she said. I thought 776 00:43:11,460 --> 00:43:16,860 S9: that was crazy. But I was informed this past year, 2025, 777 00:43:16,900 --> 00:43:20,980 S9: as we came to a close, that minimal we impacted 778 00:43:21,020 --> 00:43:25,700 S9: 20 million, probably closer to 30 million or more. So 779 00:43:25,739 --> 00:43:28,900 S9: I just have realized the hand of God in this, 780 00:43:28,900 --> 00:43:34,100 S9: and I'm returning really to my first passion, which is preaching, evangelism, 781 00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:38,220 S9: church planting. And so I'm going back to church ministry. 782 00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:38,860 S1: It's great. 783 00:43:38,860 --> 00:43:43,020 S9: Yeah, very excited for where Moody is at. The vision 784 00:43:43,020 --> 00:43:47,219 S9: that it has the team that's in place and leaving. 785 00:43:47,219 --> 00:43:49,900 S9: Like I said, my wife and I are super fans 786 00:43:49,900 --> 00:43:50,460 S9: of Moody. 787 00:43:50,540 --> 00:43:54,220 S1: That's beautiful. Uh, it's I want you to know, boom crew, 788 00:43:54,219 --> 00:43:57,859 S1: that there is a search committee in place and they 789 00:43:57,900 --> 00:44:00,540 S1: are working it as we speak. They've been on it 790 00:44:00,540 --> 00:44:05,210 S1: now for a month or two and plans are in place. 791 00:44:05,210 --> 00:44:07,569 S1: The wheels are moving and Mark's right. We got a 792 00:44:07,570 --> 00:44:09,610 S1: lot cooking. I mean, in in a week and a 793 00:44:09,650 --> 00:44:13,110 S1: half mark, I'm staring at a dashboard that says, $4 794 00:44:13,110 --> 00:44:15,810 S1: million we gotta raise for spring share. And you know what? 795 00:44:15,850 --> 00:44:18,330 S1: You know what? I'm so confident of God's work here 796 00:44:18,730 --> 00:44:22,170 S1: that by God's grace and through a movement of prayer, 797 00:44:22,170 --> 00:44:25,770 S1: unleashing hundreds and hundreds of prayer warriors through that week, 798 00:44:26,290 --> 00:44:30,090 S1: we're going to see this go on 100 years celebrating 799 00:44:30,130 --> 00:44:32,529 S1: Moody Radio, and we're going to see it go on. 800 00:44:32,530 --> 00:44:35,250 S1: So I want to thank you. You've been incredible, but 801 00:44:35,250 --> 00:44:37,410 S1: I don't want to leave you there because we want 802 00:44:37,450 --> 00:44:42,129 S1: to spike an event that's going on starting tomorrow, and 803 00:44:42,130 --> 00:44:46,049 S1: it's going to be an event for men across the world. 804 00:44:46,050 --> 00:44:48,730 S1: Anyone listening can be a part of this. Give us 805 00:44:48,730 --> 00:44:51,250 S1: a vision for Walk Worthy in Ohio. 806 00:44:51,610 --> 00:44:54,450 S9: So, you know, I've always had a real passion to 807 00:44:54,489 --> 00:44:59,010 S9: see men step up to the plate, break cycles, take 808 00:44:59,010 --> 00:45:03,640 S9: bold steps in Jesus name. And so since I've, uh, 809 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,240 S9: before I even started as president, I was a regular 810 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,799 S9: speaker at some of these walk worthy events. We are 811 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:15,359 S9: having a tremendous response already to this event that will 812 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,520 S9: be hosted in Akron and Cleveland, Ohio, all serving all 813 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:25,320 S9: that area. We have three speakers. Worship. This is a 814 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:30,880 S9: an event that challenges men not to be passive. Challenges 815 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,359 S9: men to step up to their God given call with 816 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,200 S9: their family, in their marriages, with their children, with, uh, 817 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:42,600 S9: the leadership that God has placed on them to break 818 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:48,680 S9: the chains of passivity, to engage in understanding that they 819 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,400 S9: legitimately have a call upon their life and not to 820 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:56,200 S9: waste their life. That's the essence of walk worthy. And, um, 821 00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,840 S9: we have some great speakers lined up for this as well. 822 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,839 S9: And God uses these events. I've had so many men 823 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,759 S9: that have come back to me and said, I gave 824 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,319 S9: my life to Christ. I broke up with the unhealthy relationship. 825 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,279 S9: I went back and and talked to my wife and 826 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,080 S9: asked forgiveness and said, I need to step in. So hey, 827 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,879 S9: don't come unless you expect to be changed. So I'm 828 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,239 S9: just giving you a warning here. This is a dangerous 829 00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,719 S9: place to go, wise. If you're listening. It's a dangerous 830 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,600 S9: place to send your husbands because they may come back 831 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,400 S9: very transformed. 832 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,720 S1: Oh. That's awesome. All right, guys, you want details on this? 833 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,640 S1: The conferences tomorrow, Mark and others are going to be there. 834 00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,640 S1: If you heard pastor tanks earlier this week, you're like, yeah, 835 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:49,600 S1: got to get there, Tex. Walk to (800) 555-7898. Again, live 836 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,960 S1: or across the world via the internet. Text walk to 837 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,240 S1: 800 555 7898.