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So 33 00:01:24,430 --> 00:01:27,350 S1: either way, thank you in advance for prayerfully considering the 34 00:01:27,350 --> 00:01:30,670 S1: opportunity to financially support in the market with Janet partial 35 00:01:30,670 --> 00:01:32,670 S1: and keeping it on the air now, I hope you 36 00:01:32,709 --> 00:01:34,869 S1: hear something that will encourage you to get out and 37 00:01:34,870 --> 00:01:37,830 S1: influence and occupy in the marketplace of ideas. 38 00:01:44,350 --> 00:01:47,069 S2: Welcome to In the Market with Janet Parshall. Today's program 39 00:01:47,069 --> 00:01:49,510 S2: is where Janet and her husband, Craig, take some of 40 00:01:49,510 --> 00:01:52,710 S2: the stories making headlines this week and offer their insight 41 00:01:52,710 --> 00:01:55,590 S2: and analysis. Before they get started, let's take a quick 42 00:01:55,590 --> 00:01:57,750 S2: look back at some of the highlights from the week. 43 00:02:03,540 --> 00:02:07,140 S3: The whole concept of a wrath and forgiveness and love 44 00:02:07,140 --> 00:02:10,860 S3: and grace and all these things. Ask yourself. Think deeply. 45 00:02:10,860 --> 00:02:13,820 S3: If in fact, retributive justice is not a part of 46 00:02:13,820 --> 00:02:18,060 S3: God's character and it wasn't necessary that it be satisfied 47 00:02:18,060 --> 00:02:20,580 S3: and propitiated. Why did Jesus have to die? And if 48 00:02:20,580 --> 00:02:23,220 S3: you say, well, he died because he wanted to give 49 00:02:23,220 --> 00:02:26,980 S3: us a good example of how to serve others well, honestly, 50 00:02:27,340 --> 00:02:30,060 S3: I don't see how that helps me very much. I mean, 51 00:02:30,100 --> 00:02:33,380 S3: my greatest need is to be free of the guilt 52 00:02:33,380 --> 00:02:36,220 S3: of my sin. And if the death of Jesus doesn't 53 00:02:36,220 --> 00:02:40,260 S3: deal with that, it's not loving. It's not kind. So 54 00:02:40,300 --> 00:02:44,260 S3: there's just an inescapable reality in Scripture of why the 55 00:02:44,260 --> 00:02:46,860 S3: death of Jesus was necessary and what it did for us. 56 00:02:47,460 --> 00:02:50,940 S4: Isn't that interesting? That it isn't, you know, the typical 57 00:02:50,940 --> 00:02:53,339 S4: things that we've thought about for years, but they get 58 00:02:53,380 --> 00:02:56,339 S4: they get anxious in the public. They get anxious in crowds. 59 00:02:56,610 --> 00:03:01,050 S4: They get anxious in job situations. Um, and then of course, 60 00:03:01,090 --> 00:03:04,250 S4: you know, friends family is in there too. But there 61 00:03:04,250 --> 00:03:07,730 S4: just seems to be a difference if this generation that 62 00:03:07,730 --> 00:03:13,169 S4: has been overexposed to a virtual world and they've been 63 00:03:13,169 --> 00:03:18,170 S4: under protected in that world and they've been underexposed to 64 00:03:18,210 --> 00:03:21,209 S4: the physical, real life stuff like play as a child 65 00:03:21,210 --> 00:03:24,369 S4: because of screens and they're digital natives. So they've been 66 00:03:24,370 --> 00:03:27,130 S4: on social media their entire life. 67 00:03:27,690 --> 00:03:32,169 S5: For us, as Bible believing Jesus in the parable of 68 00:03:32,210 --> 00:03:37,410 S5: the prodigal son. Uh, Doctor Bailey, Kenneth Bailey, my professor 69 00:03:37,450 --> 00:03:40,010 S5: on New Testament, you say it's the name should be 70 00:03:40,010 --> 00:03:44,210 S5: changed to the parable of the Waiting Father. 71 00:03:44,490 --> 00:03:44,890 S1: Um. 72 00:03:45,290 --> 00:03:49,090 S5: It proves to us that our human effort is not 73 00:03:49,090 --> 00:03:54,890 S5: good enough. It's the human effort coming to sin. Sin 74 00:03:54,890 --> 00:03:59,450 S5: is an insult to God. The son's insulted their father. 75 00:03:59,930 --> 00:04:03,410 S5: No deed can be done to cover that insult. 76 00:04:03,690 --> 00:04:07,170 S6: It's just this crazy world of technology I really don't understand. 77 00:04:07,170 --> 00:04:10,570 S6: But I think that the the enemy of our souls 78 00:04:10,570 --> 00:04:13,650 S6: is is capitalizing on it. He's all over it. Or 79 00:04:13,650 --> 00:04:16,409 S6: something was meant for good. He has twisted for evil. 80 00:04:16,810 --> 00:04:20,890 S6: And so people if they're going to date on the 81 00:04:20,890 --> 00:04:24,570 S6: dating apps, I if you look at those statistics, I 82 00:04:24,570 --> 00:04:29,530 S6: think over 25% of marriages were due to meeting someone 83 00:04:29,570 --> 00:04:32,810 S6: on a dating site. They can be a really good thing, 84 00:04:32,810 --> 00:04:36,570 S6: but you have to be very, very shrewd. Like Matthew 85 00:04:36,610 --> 00:04:39,570 S6: 1016 says, we need to be innocent as doves, but 86 00:04:39,570 --> 00:04:41,290 S6: also shrewd as serpents. 87 00:04:43,089 --> 00:04:45,530 S2: To hear the full interviews from any of those guests 88 00:04:45,570 --> 00:04:48,770 S2: go to In the Market with Janet Parshall and click 89 00:04:48,770 --> 00:04:52,330 S2: on Past programs. Here's some other stories making headlines this week. 90 00:04:53,089 --> 00:04:57,200 S7: Shares of Nvidia fell as much as 5.5% Thursday morning, 91 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,600 S7: after the AI bellwethers upbeat results failed to soothe investors 92 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,040 S7: nerves about massive AI spending. 93 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,400 S8: President Donald Trump gave an upbeat assessment of the country 94 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,840 S8: in his state of the Union address to a joint 95 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:11,840 S8: session of Congress on Tuesday. 96 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,720 S9: Iran and the United States are holding talks for a 97 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,680 S9: third time as the Trump administration works to delay Tehran's 98 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,840 S9: nuclear program, and is deploying a massive number of aircraft 99 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:24,320 S9: and warships to the region. 100 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,600 S2: Janet and Craig have lots to share, and they'll put 101 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,120 S2: the first story on the table when we return. To 102 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,720 S2: get more information or to download the podcast of any 103 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,720 S2: of the interviews, go to In the Market with Janet Parshall. 104 00:06:01,470 --> 00:06:04,150 S1: Are you constantly feeling like God is disappointed in you, 105 00:06:04,150 --> 00:06:06,950 S1: or do you feel like he's too busy for your problems? Well, 106 00:06:06,950 --> 00:06:09,349 S1: that's why I've chosen secure how to have a healthy 107 00:06:09,350 --> 00:06:12,349 S1: attachment to God as this month's truth tool. Learn to 108 00:06:12,390 --> 00:06:15,190 S1: grasp the depth of God's love for you. Ask for 109 00:06:15,190 --> 00:06:17,070 S1: your copy of secure. When you give a gift of 110 00:06:17,070 --> 00:06:22,750 S1: any amount in the market, call 87758. That's 87758 or 111 00:06:22,790 --> 00:06:28,230 S1: go to in the market with Janet for. A very 112 00:06:28,270 --> 00:06:30,390 S1: happy Friday to you friends. Thank you so much for 113 00:06:30,390 --> 00:06:32,909 S1: choosing to spend the hour with us. Mr. Craig partial 114 00:06:32,910 --> 00:06:34,990 S1: is with me as he is on Fridays. And here's 115 00:06:34,990 --> 00:06:36,950 S1: what we do. Bit different from the rest of the week. 116 00:06:36,950 --> 00:06:38,870 S1: We take a look at the pile of stories that 117 00:06:38,870 --> 00:06:41,230 S1: are coming out of the marketplace of ideas. And then 118 00:06:41,230 --> 00:06:42,710 S1: we take out our Bible because you hear me say 119 00:06:42,710 --> 00:06:44,630 S1: all the time, you want to walk through this pilgrim's 120 00:06:44,630 --> 00:06:46,710 S1: progress of ours with the Bible in one hand and 121 00:06:46,710 --> 00:06:49,630 S1: the newspaper in the other. Why? Well, without the Bible, 122 00:06:49,630 --> 00:06:51,820 S1: you'll get lost. It's just that simple. In fact, John 123 00:06:51,820 --> 00:06:55,540 S1: Bunyan smartly called it the map in Pilgrim's Progress. And 124 00:06:55,540 --> 00:06:57,740 S1: when you think about what the word says of itself, 125 00:06:57,740 --> 00:07:00,060 S1: it is a map, isn't it? Thy way, thy word 126 00:07:00,060 --> 00:07:02,260 S1: is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto 127 00:07:02,300 --> 00:07:04,620 S1: my path. And there are a myriad of other verses 128 00:07:04,620 --> 00:07:07,020 S1: that talk about how Scripture is there for our edification, 129 00:07:07,020 --> 00:07:09,380 S1: for our instruction. Thy word have I hid in my 130 00:07:09,380 --> 00:07:11,380 S1: heart that I might not sin against thee. The Bible 131 00:07:11,420 --> 00:07:12,860 S1: goes on and on and on and on and on. 132 00:07:12,860 --> 00:07:15,580 S1: So we need the Bible. Otherwise we're stumbling in the dark. 133 00:07:15,580 --> 00:07:18,260 S1: We're like just people without vision and we can't see 134 00:07:18,300 --> 00:07:20,780 S1: right from wrong. We can't see darkness from light. So 135 00:07:20,780 --> 00:07:22,900 S1: it's imperative that you and I get in the word. 136 00:07:22,900 --> 00:07:24,620 S1: And by the way, note to file, we're not doing 137 00:07:24,620 --> 00:07:26,460 S1: so good in that area. If you look at all 138 00:07:26,460 --> 00:07:29,100 S1: the social science that's done about people who are churchgoers 139 00:07:29,100 --> 00:07:31,220 S1: in America, we're not in the word. And as a 140 00:07:31,220 --> 00:07:34,020 S1: result of that, we're drifting. We're falling away. As it 141 00:07:34,020 --> 00:07:36,820 S1: says in Scripture, we're being taken captive, as it says 142 00:07:36,820 --> 00:07:40,140 S1: in Colossians, by vain and hollow philosophies. And we don't know. 143 00:07:40,140 --> 00:07:42,500 S1: We don't have that internal Geiger counter, the power of 144 00:07:42,500 --> 00:07:45,340 S1: the Holy Spirit predicated on the knowledge of his word 145 00:07:45,340 --> 00:07:48,180 S1: to say, oops, something's out of alignment here. And that 146 00:07:48,180 --> 00:07:50,930 S1: takes me to what's in your other hand. That's the newspaper. 147 00:07:51,130 --> 00:07:53,290 S1: You know, as awful as it looks like, it's getting 148 00:07:53,290 --> 00:07:55,410 S1: out there. And here's another good word. It's going to 149 00:07:55,410 --> 00:07:57,809 S1: get worse, by the way. It's got to get worse 150 00:07:57,810 --> 00:08:00,250 S1: before our redemption draws nigh. So the world is right 151 00:08:00,290 --> 00:08:02,770 S1: on track. It's doing exactly what it's supposed to do. 152 00:08:02,930 --> 00:08:04,370 S1: You and I don't have to panic. I don't know 153 00:08:04,370 --> 00:08:06,130 S1: about you, but I'm thrilled. I feel like we have 154 00:08:06,130 --> 00:08:07,970 S1: a front row seat. I don't know when he's coming. 155 00:08:08,250 --> 00:08:11,090 S1: He could come tonight. His return is imminent. There's not 156 00:08:11,090 --> 00:08:13,730 S1: a single prophecy in Scripture that has to be filled yet. 157 00:08:13,730 --> 00:08:15,930 S1: And there will be no signs. Boom! He's going to 158 00:08:15,930 --> 00:08:18,090 S1: come like a thief in the night, in a twinkling 159 00:08:18,090 --> 00:08:19,970 S1: of an eye. And no one knows the hour or 160 00:08:19,970 --> 00:08:22,650 S1: the day. So, friend, I hope you're ready. Because when 161 00:08:22,650 --> 00:08:26,010 S1: he comes, there's no second chances. Either you accept him 162 00:08:26,010 --> 00:08:28,730 S1: as Lord and Savior, you confess your sins. You believe 163 00:08:28,770 --> 00:08:31,850 S1: he's exactly who he says he is. The unblemished Lamb 164 00:08:31,850 --> 00:08:33,730 S1: of God who took away the sins of the world. 165 00:08:33,730 --> 00:08:36,810 S1: And you recognize your sinful state, and you ask him 166 00:08:36,809 --> 00:08:38,730 S1: to come into your life as your Savior, and then 167 00:08:38,730 --> 00:08:40,970 S1: you want to grow up with him. And that's where 168 00:08:40,970 --> 00:08:43,809 S1: the Lordship of Christ comes in. You start really hungering 169 00:08:43,850 --> 00:08:48,000 S1: to be conformed and transformed to the image of Christ. Well, then, 170 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,880 S1: once you're growing up, it isn't just growing up. It's 171 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,880 S1: getting out. And we're supposed to go out and we're 172 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,600 S1: supposed to share the good news of the gospel of 173 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,000 S1: Jesus Christ. How can you do that if you don't 174 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,160 S1: know the tribe where God is sending us, which is 175 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:00,839 S1: right outside your front door? If you don't know what 176 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,680 S1: they think and believe their customs, their choices. My missionary 177 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,760 S1: friends used to go to boot camp to learn about 178 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,560 S1: the customs, the food, the diet, the rituals of the 179 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,760 S1: tribe they were going to go to and they were 180 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,760 S1: going to share the gospel with. We have to do 181 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,040 S1: the same thing, by the way. We're all missionaries. And 182 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,080 S1: so this is your opportunity to hear what's going on 183 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,079 S1: in the world, but to apply the truth of God's 184 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,480 S1: Word to everything around us. So that's what we do 185 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,240 S1: on Fridays. It's a kind of well, applied Christianity, knowing 186 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,360 S1: the Word of God and applying it to the world 187 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,800 S1: around us. And this is the stuff you hear all 188 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:32,600 S1: week long in the headlines. So Craig and I just 189 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,920 S1: take it, look at it and see if there's an 190 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:36,760 S1: issue in there where we can find some truths from 191 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,880 S1: Scripture that helps us address that issue in the public square. 192 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:41,800 S1: So we're going to start with an interesting one. There 193 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,679 S1: was a first grade teacher. And I love this story, 194 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,680 S1: by the way, because it has everything to do with 195 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,040 S1: where we are. I just said it's going to get 196 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:49,959 S1: rougher and it is going to get rougher. You and 197 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,240 S1: I are going to be more and more removed from 198 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,240 S1: the world if we are recognized as a follower of 199 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,000 S1: Jesus Christ. The marginalization of who we are is going 200 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,400 S1: to get greater, not less, by the way. And I'll 201 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:01,960 S1: give you a perfect example. So I'm going to turn 202 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,640 S1: to Nashville. There's a first grade teacher at a Nashville 203 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,760 S1: charter school there, and he says he was threatened with 204 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:12,520 S1: termination and reassigned after requesting a religious accommodation to avoid 205 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,280 S1: reading a children's book depicting a same sex family. What more? 206 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:17,920 S1: Listen to this news report. 207 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,240 S10: The teacher said. This all started with a first grade 208 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,120 S10: reading lesson involving this book about a child and her 209 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,960 S10: two dads. Now, his attorneys say the school should have 210 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,840 S10: accommodated to his religious beliefs. The school has not yet 211 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:36,200 S10: responded publicly. The teacher works at KIPP Antioch College Prep Elementary, 212 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,400 S10: a public charter school. He says the issue started when 213 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,160 S10: his class was assigned the book Stella Brings. 214 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,350 S11: The family refused to read a book that was had 215 00:10:45,350 --> 00:10:49,070 S11: two fathers on the cover and one daughter. And I 216 00:10:49,070 --> 00:10:53,229 S11: believe that that is not what God designed a marriage 217 00:10:53,230 --> 00:10:55,550 S11: to be in a family to be. So I asked 218 00:10:55,550 --> 00:10:57,429 S11: for religious accommodations. 219 00:10:57,470 --> 00:11:00,590 S10: He says the school initially let another teacher read it, 220 00:11:00,590 --> 00:11:03,390 S10: but the next day he was given a final warning, 221 00:11:03,429 --> 00:11:07,350 S10: telling him to teach the lesson or risk termination. Now, 222 00:11:07,350 --> 00:11:10,550 S10: a legal group has sent a demand letter arguing federal 223 00:11:10,550 --> 00:11:14,949 S10: law requires schools to accommodate religious beliefs. His attorneys say 224 00:11:14,950 --> 00:11:18,189 S10: that the school has ten days to respond to that letter. 225 00:11:18,230 --> 00:11:20,670 S10: Of course, we're going to let you know when or 226 00:11:20,790 --> 00:11:24,510 S10: if they respond. Reporting here in Nashville, I'm Madeline Nolan, 227 00:11:24,510 --> 00:11:26,830 S10: Fox 17 news, your code red station. 228 00:11:27,110 --> 00:11:29,390 S1: All right. This is an important story because this is 229 00:11:29,390 --> 00:11:32,109 S1: a brother in the Lord who said I can't. He believes, 230 00:11:32,110 --> 00:11:35,470 S1: rightfully that a family defined by God very clearly in 231 00:11:35,470 --> 00:11:37,390 S1: the book of Genesis is made up of one man 232 00:11:37,390 --> 00:11:40,510 S1: and one woman. God institutes it, he designs it, he 233 00:11:40,510 --> 00:11:43,620 S1: starts it. It's the first of the three major institutions 234 00:11:43,620 --> 00:11:45,980 S1: that he creates the family, the government and the church 235 00:11:45,980 --> 00:11:48,699 S1: in that order. Family first does it in a place 236 00:11:48,700 --> 00:11:51,500 S1: of perfection. So there's zero ambiguity as to what God's 237 00:11:51,500 --> 00:11:53,940 S1: position is on this. A family is made up of 238 00:11:53,940 --> 00:11:56,780 S1: a mom and a dad, a mother and a father. 239 00:11:56,780 --> 00:11:59,260 S1: And God bless this teacher who said, no, I can't 240 00:11:59,260 --> 00:12:02,660 S1: do it. And so I'm simply asking for a religious accommodation. Now, Craig, 241 00:12:02,660 --> 00:12:04,100 S1: I have to tell you, I don't think anybody at 242 00:12:04,140 --> 00:12:06,220 S1: that school would have broken out in a sweat. They 243 00:12:06,260 --> 00:12:08,140 S1: got another teacher to read it. He should be able 244 00:12:08,140 --> 00:12:09,860 S1: to do it. It's just a pass. It wasn't any 245 00:12:09,860 --> 00:12:13,580 S1: big deal. But if you don't, let me just contextualize this. 246 00:12:13,580 --> 00:12:17,220 S1: This is coerced speech. It is the government forcing a 247 00:12:17,220 --> 00:12:19,900 S1: government employee. Now he works at a school, so it's 248 00:12:19,940 --> 00:12:23,140 S1: a government school. He's being coerced by the government to 249 00:12:23,179 --> 00:12:25,579 S1: have to say something he doesn't believe in. So if 250 00:12:25,580 --> 00:12:28,060 S1: this were Nazi Germany and you were part of the 251 00:12:28,059 --> 00:12:30,780 S1: Confessing Church and you had to read a book that said, 252 00:12:30,780 --> 00:12:32,780 S1: the Jews are fill in the blank with a myriad 253 00:12:32,780 --> 00:12:35,100 S1: of demonic words, and he said, I would like a 254 00:12:35,100 --> 00:12:37,219 S1: religious exemption. Not that you ever have that in a 255 00:12:37,220 --> 00:12:40,540 S1: fascist state under Nazism. But he asked for an out 256 00:12:40,540 --> 00:12:42,650 S1: and the government said, no, you can't. You have to 257 00:12:42,650 --> 00:12:45,170 S1: do it. Well, you're a prisoner of the state in 258 00:12:45,170 --> 00:12:46,449 S1: many respects. Talk to me about that. 259 00:12:46,490 --> 00:12:50,490 S12: Yeah. What it also means is, well, Christians are not welcome. Uh, 260 00:12:50,530 --> 00:12:54,610 S12: believers in biblical values and the text of Scripture are 261 00:12:54,610 --> 00:12:58,130 S12: not welcome in the public school venue. So therefore, don't 262 00:12:58,130 --> 00:13:02,250 S12: even apply. Now, uh, you know, over the history of 263 00:13:02,250 --> 00:13:07,530 S12: the United States, uh, mistakes of discrimination, uh, not just 264 00:13:07,570 --> 00:13:11,730 S12: errors of judgment, but bigotry has been addressed by, uh, 265 00:13:12,130 --> 00:13:15,250 S12: civil law. Uh, that has said, look, you can't discriminate 266 00:13:15,250 --> 00:13:20,929 S12: based on, um, certain factors. Now, many of those factors, uh, 267 00:13:20,929 --> 00:13:26,170 S12: are unchanging conditions, like, uh, what sex you were born, uh, 268 00:13:26,170 --> 00:13:29,290 S12: or what your nationality is or what your skin color is. 269 00:13:30,010 --> 00:13:34,170 S12: But the one area that the Constitution protects, uh, that 270 00:13:34,170 --> 00:13:37,250 S12: has nothing to do with how you were born, where 271 00:13:37,250 --> 00:13:40,010 S12: you were born, or the color of your skin is 272 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,960 S12: free exercise of religion is right there in the First Amendment, 273 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:49,679 S12: and that has been protected against all government suppression or discrimination. 274 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,920 S12: Now the question here is accommodation. We've already had the 275 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,320 S12: Mahmood case, where the Supreme Court very recently said the 276 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,880 S12: rights of parents and their children cannot be violated, particularly 277 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:05,560 S12: without any accommodation by public schools where they say, look, 278 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,960 S12: don't give this propaganda about gender identity to my child 279 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:14,800 S12: because it clashes violently with the belief of us as 280 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:19,200 S12: Christian parents and our children as Christian children. Um, the 281 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,840 S12: Supreme Court affirmed the rights of the parents in that 282 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:26,120 S12: regard and their religious views. Now it's a public employee 283 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,040 S12: saying you need to accommodate me, but I think the 284 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:33,200 S12: same rule should apply. Janet, we have federal civil rights 285 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:37,560 S12: laws that say you cannot discriminate based on on the 286 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:43,070 S12: basis of Traces of religion against an employee. Well, isn't 287 00:14:43,070 --> 00:14:47,550 S12: this discrimination against the religious beliefs of this teacher under 288 00:14:47,550 --> 00:14:50,229 S12: the Civil Rights Act, if not under the First Amendment? 289 00:14:50,630 --> 00:14:52,390 S1: Couldn't agree more. And you know, when you stop and 290 00:14:52,390 --> 00:14:54,630 S1: think about this. Let me just put this in common parlance. 291 00:14:54,630 --> 00:14:57,950 S1: So he was not only asked to read the book, 292 00:14:57,950 --> 00:15:00,750 S1: he was asked to teach the book. So this was 293 00:15:00,910 --> 00:15:04,270 S1: endorsement of a worldview. Look, there are millions of people, 294 00:15:04,310 --> 00:15:06,550 S1: I would say billions of people on planet Earth who 295 00:15:06,550 --> 00:15:10,510 S1: believe that homosexuality is wrong, that sexual expression and activity 296 00:15:10,510 --> 00:15:13,790 S1: should take place between a man and a woman, preferably 297 00:15:13,830 --> 00:15:16,190 S1: God's way within the context of marriage, between a husband 298 00:15:16,190 --> 00:15:18,950 S1: and a wife. This is anathema. It's sin. There's zero 299 00:15:18,950 --> 00:15:21,390 S1: ambiguity in God's word that this is sin. And yet 300 00:15:21,390 --> 00:15:23,750 S1: he's supposed to teach this. And remember, this is a 301 00:15:23,750 --> 00:15:27,150 S1: room full of first graders. There's so many layers to this. 302 00:15:27,190 --> 00:15:31,630 S12: That's such a crucial point. Um, at that age of, uh, 303 00:15:31,830 --> 00:15:37,700 S12: underdevelopment of the child, uh, emotionally and Intellectually, you know, 304 00:15:37,700 --> 00:15:40,580 S12: abstract thinking doesn't happen till, you know, ten, 15, 20 305 00:15:40,580 --> 00:15:45,980 S12: years later. So, uh, it's, uh, it's it's baffling that 306 00:15:45,980 --> 00:15:51,420 S12: they would want to take one of the most controversial, uh, sociological, 307 00:15:51,460 --> 00:15:55,580 S12: theological and political issues of our time and forced it 308 00:15:55,580 --> 00:15:59,060 S12: on first graders in this context and on public school 309 00:15:59,060 --> 00:16:02,460 S12: teachers having to teach this stuff. Now school boards are 310 00:16:02,460 --> 00:16:04,220 S12: going to say, well, what do you want us to do? 311 00:16:04,260 --> 00:16:06,900 S12: You know, pretty soon if we bow to this teacher, 312 00:16:06,900 --> 00:16:09,020 S12: then we're going to bow to every teacher who doesn't 313 00:16:09,020 --> 00:16:11,180 S12: like the curriculum that we're teaching. And I have a 314 00:16:11,180 --> 00:16:13,940 S12: simple solution to that. And I think it's very commonsensical. 315 00:16:14,460 --> 00:16:18,420 S12: First of all, are you teaching core curriculum, or is 316 00:16:18,420 --> 00:16:21,460 S12: this something outside of how we ought to define core curriculum? 317 00:16:21,500 --> 00:16:25,420 S12: For instance, suppose someone's a member of some religious sect 318 00:16:25,580 --> 00:16:29,100 S12: that doesn't believe in mathematics. Okay, but he decides to 319 00:16:29,100 --> 00:16:35,260 S12: apply for a position teaching, um, arithmetic, uh, to children 320 00:16:35,260 --> 00:16:39,860 S12: in math. Well, you can't accommodate someone who refuses to 321 00:16:39,900 --> 00:16:44,380 S12: recognize a core curriculum curriculum of academics. And we need 322 00:16:44,380 --> 00:16:46,780 S12: to define if we go back and define the the 323 00:16:46,820 --> 00:16:58,860 S12: specifics and basics of what academics are. Uh, arithmetic, geometry, uh, uh, geology, geography, history, civics, uh, 324 00:16:58,860 --> 00:17:03,380 S12: athletics and so forth. The core curriculum. Once we define that, 325 00:17:03,380 --> 00:17:08,060 S12: then we say, okay, um, outside of that is very questionable. 326 00:17:08,060 --> 00:17:12,540 S12: And we will accommodate you teachers, you parents, you students, 327 00:17:12,540 --> 00:17:14,619 S12: if it clashes with your religious beliefs. 328 00:17:14,619 --> 00:17:17,619 S1: Our friends at First Liberty are now defending Rivera. And 329 00:17:17,619 --> 00:17:20,660 S1: they sent a demand letter that in fact, his religious 330 00:17:20,660 --> 00:17:23,580 S1: views be protected. But he made the statement, I still 331 00:17:23,580 --> 00:17:24,980 S1: have that fear in me that I could lose my 332 00:17:24,980 --> 00:17:27,900 S1: job for anything that I do based on my religious beliefs. 333 00:17:28,140 --> 00:17:30,619 S1: So here we go. Stand up and be counted or 334 00:17:31,100 --> 00:17:51,770 S1: you fill in the blank. More after this. So let 335 00:17:51,770 --> 00:17:54,010 S1: me linger a little bit longer in Tennessee, which is 336 00:17:54,010 --> 00:17:56,290 S1: interesting because that's where this challenge is coming to. The 337 00:17:56,290 --> 00:17:59,210 S1: first grade teacher, the Tennessee House now has passed a 338 00:17:59,210 --> 00:18:04,610 S1: bill allowing clergy, companies and companies to refuse same sex marriage. 339 00:18:04,609 --> 00:18:07,850 S1: So a private individual or organization who doesn't want to 340 00:18:07,890 --> 00:18:10,649 S1: perform a same sex marriage in Tennessee would not face 341 00:18:10,650 --> 00:18:14,090 S1: sanctions under a bill that passed the House of Representatives 342 00:18:14,090 --> 00:18:17,570 S1: this week, it's House Bill 1473, and it would protect 343 00:18:17,570 --> 00:18:21,450 S1: individuals and private entities who aren't going to be compelled 344 00:18:21,450 --> 00:18:24,050 S1: to do something to violate their sincerely held religious beliefs. 345 00:18:24,050 --> 00:18:26,410 S1: Isn't it funny how that just keeps working its way through? 346 00:18:26,570 --> 00:18:28,650 S1: By the way, that whole idea of sincerely held religious 347 00:18:28,650 --> 00:18:31,169 S1: beliefs that is foundational to this country. You can go 348 00:18:31,170 --> 00:18:34,359 S1: back to the 1700s, and you can find writings from 349 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,280 S1: the fathers about protecting your right to believe what you 350 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:41,119 S1: want to believe, you're sincerely held beliefs, and why coercion 351 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,440 S1: is the antithesis of that. It says we don't care 352 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,800 S1: the state. The government can decide what you will believe. 353 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:47,960 S1: You don't have the right to do that. That that 354 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,639 S1: is the antithesis of what it means to be a 355 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,000 S1: free people. So the Tennesseans passed a constitutional amendment in 356 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,800 S1: 2006 that defined marriage between a man and a woman. 357 00:18:55,800 --> 00:19:00,280 S1: Then 2015 Obergefell comes down. It legalizes same sex marriage. 358 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:04,280 S1: Federal overreach, some would say, uh, but now the 14th amendment, 359 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,399 S1: ratified in 1868 after the Civil War, says no state 360 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,520 S1: shall make or endorse any law which shall abridge the 361 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,080 S1: privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States. Nor 362 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,720 S1: shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or 363 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,080 S1: property without due process of law, nor deny to any 364 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,520 S1: person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the law. 365 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,040 S1: So I don't want your eyes to glaze over. But, Craig, 366 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,560 S1: this is the the will of the people is the 367 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,400 S1: law of the land. And so if the people in 368 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,990 S1: the House of Tennessee, said, look, nobody has to be forced. 369 00:19:32,990 --> 00:19:36,470 S1: We're not outlawing it. Obergefell still stands, you know, and 370 00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:38,510 S1: by the way, that six three decision, that means six 371 00:19:38,510 --> 00:19:40,990 S1: people in black robes decided that they would thumb their 372 00:19:40,990 --> 00:19:42,990 S1: nose at God and tell you that marriage is a 373 00:19:43,030 --> 00:19:45,030 S1: anything you want it to be. I've got a story 374 00:19:45,030 --> 00:19:47,790 S1: on polyamorous relationships. If I got time to fit it 375 00:19:47,790 --> 00:19:50,110 S1: in this hour as well. But the bottom line is 376 00:19:50,109 --> 00:19:53,230 S1: that didn't eradicate the states to decide to do something 377 00:19:53,230 --> 00:19:56,550 S1: within their own state. So they're not outlawing marriage. They're 378 00:19:56,550 --> 00:19:59,470 S1: saying you don't have to be forced as a clerk 379 00:19:59,470 --> 00:20:02,710 S1: or a pastor or a judge to have to perform 380 00:20:02,710 --> 00:20:03,590 S1: a same sex marriage. 381 00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:05,670 S12: That's certainly correct. And if you look at the fine 382 00:20:05,869 --> 00:20:12,710 S12: details of the Obergefell decision that constitutionalized same sex marriage. 383 00:20:13,030 --> 00:20:18,030 S12: Justice Kennedy was fully aware of the quagmire he was 384 00:20:18,030 --> 00:20:21,510 S12: taking the United States into. And toward the end of 385 00:20:21,550 --> 00:20:24,590 S12: that opinion of the Supreme Court, he made it clear 386 00:20:24,750 --> 00:20:29,940 S12: this decision does not mean that people may not have 387 00:20:30,060 --> 00:20:34,460 S12: religious based ideas in opposition to the decision of this 388 00:20:34,460 --> 00:20:37,699 S12: court with regard to marriage, and what he was saying 389 00:20:37,700 --> 00:20:42,900 S12: is religious liberty rights are still fully intact. All right. 390 00:20:42,940 --> 00:20:46,859 S12: If they are fully intact, despite Obergefell saying that same 391 00:20:46,859 --> 00:20:51,180 S12: sex marriage can still take place, it also means that 392 00:20:51,180 --> 00:20:56,020 S12: clergy can never be forced to participate in any active way, 393 00:20:56,180 --> 00:21:00,340 S12: or even inactive or passive way, in what they believe 394 00:21:00,340 --> 00:21:04,780 S12: the Bible condemns. So that's the result that should happen. 395 00:21:04,780 --> 00:21:08,540 S12: And therefore the Tennessee Assembly is fully within its rights 396 00:21:08,540 --> 00:21:12,300 S12: to pass that. And I think the other house, the 397 00:21:12,300 --> 00:21:15,260 S12: other uh, body, uh, legislative body ought to pass it. 398 00:21:15,260 --> 00:21:17,060 S12: I think the governor ought to sign it, and I 399 00:21:17,060 --> 00:21:19,660 S12: think it'll be upheld in court. But of course, it 400 00:21:19,660 --> 00:21:22,500 S12: becomes not just a matter of law, but a political 401 00:21:22,500 --> 00:21:26,100 S12: football as the news media has picked up down there. 402 00:21:26,180 --> 00:21:30,770 S12: So a politics reins in legislative halls. But if you 403 00:21:30,770 --> 00:21:34,490 S12: if you talk about what the Constitution says, it still 404 00:21:34,490 --> 00:21:37,450 S12: says free exercise of religion in the First Amendment, regardless 405 00:21:37,450 --> 00:21:40,810 S12: of Obergefell. And I think Tennessee is right to uphold that. 406 00:21:40,850 --> 00:21:42,250 S1: I got to go back to do my math. Craig, 407 00:21:42,250 --> 00:21:44,169 S1: I think Obergefell wasn't six three. I think it was 408 00:21:44,170 --> 00:21:46,929 S1: five four. Yes. So five justices. 409 00:21:46,970 --> 00:21:48,330 S12: It was close. It was a close decision. 410 00:21:48,369 --> 00:21:48,649 S1: Yes, it. 411 00:21:48,650 --> 00:21:52,090 S12: Was. And there were some very strong dissents without obviously 412 00:21:52,090 --> 00:21:56,490 S12: with good reason. Um, but that was then. This is now. 413 00:21:56,690 --> 00:21:59,770 S12: And it what it does. And if you, uh, Justice 414 00:21:59,770 --> 00:22:05,450 S12: Kennedy wrote the majority opinion for those five justices. So 415 00:22:05,810 --> 00:22:10,170 S12: having ruled that way, he then added that language at 416 00:22:10,170 --> 00:22:14,090 S12: the end to remind the justices and the American people 417 00:22:14,090 --> 00:22:16,970 S12: the free exercise of religion Clause of the First Amendment 418 00:22:16,970 --> 00:22:22,450 S12: is still fully intact and must be accommodated, regardless of 419 00:22:22,450 --> 00:22:25,250 S12: our decision about same sex marriage here. So how do 420 00:22:25,250 --> 00:22:27,770 S12: you accommodate it? Well, one way is to have states 421 00:22:27,810 --> 00:22:32,650 S12: pass laws saying clergy, you're safe. You will not be 422 00:22:32,650 --> 00:22:36,449 S12: under any duress or coercion or penalty for refusal to 423 00:22:36,490 --> 00:22:41,850 S12: participate directly or indirectly, in what you believe is unbiblical 424 00:22:41,850 --> 00:22:42,930 S12: in terms of marriage. 425 00:22:42,970 --> 00:22:45,689 S1: Mom. Well, I have to find I have to find 426 00:22:45,730 --> 00:22:48,770 S1: some way of saying thank you to what happened in 427 00:22:48,770 --> 00:22:51,370 S1: the house. And you know, when you see that sometimes 428 00:22:51,369 --> 00:22:53,930 S1: it gives other states a kind of Dutch courage, does 429 00:22:53,930 --> 00:22:56,250 S1: it not to say, okay, you know, I know it 430 00:22:56,250 --> 00:22:58,130 S1: might not be the politically correct thing to do, but 431 00:22:58,130 --> 00:23:00,730 S1: really and truly, if you're going to be inclusive, if 432 00:23:00,730 --> 00:23:04,810 S1: you're going to be protective of that penumbral right, to 433 00:23:04,850 --> 00:23:08,889 S1: have your own sincerely held wishes, your beliefs, then you 434 00:23:08,890 --> 00:23:11,650 S1: shouldn't be coerced to do anything. Whether it's a child 435 00:23:11,650 --> 00:23:13,730 S1: hearing a story where Mom and dad said, no, I 436 00:23:13,730 --> 00:23:15,689 S1: don't want them to hear it. Mahmoud, whether or not 437 00:23:15,690 --> 00:23:17,969 S1: you're the first grade teacher in Tennessee. Wait, you violated 438 00:23:17,970 --> 00:23:19,889 S1: my religious rights? I'm not going to teach a lesson 439 00:23:19,890 --> 00:23:22,609 S1: on homosexuality to first graders. Or whether or not you 440 00:23:22,650 --> 00:23:26,440 S1: happen to be a justice of the peace in Tennessee. 441 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,119 S1: You shouldn't have to be forced to perform a marriage. 442 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,359 S1: You know, when the justices handed down Obergefell, they knew 443 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,400 S1: that they opened a Pandora's box, didn't they? They knew that. 444 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,800 S12: There was no question. In fact, as I think about it, 445 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:41,000 S12: Justice Kennedy rendered his decision. And what they do before 446 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,480 S12: it's released publicly is they pass it around in each 447 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,720 S12: of the justices weigh in, and then you count noses. 448 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,720 S12: And if you have a majority, um, and if the 449 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,640 S12: justice if the chief justice is in the majority, then 450 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,879 S12: he can delegate who writes the decision. Otherwise, um, you 451 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,119 S12: get one of the, uh, the members of the court 452 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,200 S12: that is part of the majority to write that opinion 453 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,120 S12: was Justice Kennedy. It's clear to me that he knew, 454 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,680 S12: because he was reading the dissents before they were released, 455 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:14,400 S12: and he knew strong objections from a religious, um, expression 456 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,760 S12: or religious liberty standpoint were going to be raised. So 457 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,600 S12: he addressed them and made it kind of a pledge. 458 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,080 S12: Don't worry, free exercise of religion is still in the 459 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,950 S12: First Amendment. It will protect you and you will need 460 00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:29,030 S12: to be. You will be accommodated if the Constitution is 461 00:24:29,030 --> 00:24:31,510 S12: obeyed in the future. So let's see if that works. 462 00:24:31,550 --> 00:24:34,470 S1: Yeah, absolutely. Let's see if it's worked. Okay. Halfway through 463 00:24:34,790 --> 00:24:37,030 S1: goes really fast on Friday, doesn't it? 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And Jesus 495 00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:21,209 S1: tells us in Matthew to beware of false prophets who 496 00:26:21,210 --> 00:26:23,450 S1: come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are 497 00:26:23,490 --> 00:26:26,169 S1: ravenous wolves. And what we want you to do is 498 00:26:26,170 --> 00:26:28,690 S1: to get used to hearing that sound. Oh, whoa whoa whoa. 499 00:26:28,810 --> 00:26:31,850 S1: Does that person, uh, that can't be possibly true. In fact, 500 00:26:31,850 --> 00:26:33,530 S1: if I'm listening with the ears of my heart, what 501 00:26:33,530 --> 00:26:36,370 S1: they're really doing is they're howling like a ravenous wolf. 502 00:26:36,570 --> 00:26:38,169 S1: So one of the things we love to do is 503 00:26:38,170 --> 00:26:40,570 S1: to put out a piece of wolf audio, which is 504 00:26:40,570 --> 00:26:42,810 S1: what I call it, so that you, as a good Berean, 505 00:26:42,810 --> 00:26:45,450 S1: can start recognizing the howling of the wolf. Oh, they 506 00:26:45,450 --> 00:26:49,090 S1: look like they're in sheep's clothing, but in reality they 507 00:26:49,130 --> 00:26:52,010 S1: are ravenous wolves. Now, I never say the denomination because 508 00:26:52,010 --> 00:26:54,450 S1: it's immaterial. I don't say the person's name. I'm not 509 00:26:54,450 --> 00:26:57,010 S1: interested in giving them free publicity. But I want you 510 00:26:57,010 --> 00:26:59,610 S1: to hear what this person said, and then we'll talk 511 00:26:59,609 --> 00:27:02,490 S1: about whether or not this is a ravenous wolf howling. 512 00:27:02,490 --> 00:27:03,210 S1: Have a listen. 513 00:27:03,490 --> 00:27:05,929 S13: Oh, my friends, it's such a privilege to come to 514 00:27:05,970 --> 00:27:10,450 S13: something called the Holy Spirit Conference, where we are centering 515 00:27:10,450 --> 00:27:14,369 S13: ourselves in the presence and the power of the Holy Spirit. 516 00:27:14,730 --> 00:27:16,850 S13: This is a first for me. I have never been 517 00:27:16,850 --> 00:27:20,000 S13: invited to a Holy Spirit conference and I am all 518 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,120 S13: on board. The Holy Spirit is my favorite person in 519 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,120 S13: the Trinity. That's where all the mystery is. That's where 520 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,680 S13: all the fun is. That's where all the guidance is. 521 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,320 S13: That's where all the woo woo is. And I love it. 522 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,239 S13: I love the Holy Spirit. So I'm so glad to 523 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,680 S13: be here. And I believe that she deserves her own conference. 524 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,280 S13: I don't know if you know this, but in Orthodox Christianity, 525 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,720 S13: in historic Orthodox Christianity, the Holy Spirit is known to 526 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:53,360 S13: be the feminine aspect of the Trinity. And so I 527 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,200 S13: hope all of the women in the room today feel 528 00:27:55,200 --> 00:28:00,800 S13: very elevated by that. I have an icon, actually, that 529 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:05,240 S13: shows the the Holy Trinity, with the Holy Spirit being 530 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,600 S13: depicted as a as a feminine person. 531 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,800 S1: Yeah, I really don't care what an icon says and 532 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,800 S1: icons a drawing by somebody. I'm interested in what the 533 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,560 S1: Word of God has to say. And you didn't see 534 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,239 S1: that one coming, did you? I mean, she came out 535 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,190 S1: of left field. She deserves the a place of her own. Um, 536 00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:23,270 S1: by the way, there's absolutely zero feminine pronouns in scripture. Ever, ever, 537 00:28:23,670 --> 00:28:26,310 S1: ever used to refer to the person of the Holy Spirit, 538 00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:28,429 S1: God the Father, God the Son, and God is the 539 00:28:28,430 --> 00:28:29,750 S1: Holy Spirit. Craig, your thoughts. 540 00:28:29,950 --> 00:28:31,830 S12: Um, first go to the word. 541 00:28:31,950 --> 00:28:32,430 S1: When all else. 542 00:28:32,430 --> 00:28:35,110 S12: Fails. Second of all, make sure you understand what you're 543 00:28:35,109 --> 00:28:39,750 S12: reading and read it carefully because it's all there. Um, no. 544 00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:45,110 S12: She's absolutely wrong. Absolutely untrue. Let's talk about what is true. 545 00:28:45,310 --> 00:28:47,910 S12: And that is what Scripture has to say. First of all, 546 00:28:47,910 --> 00:28:55,070 S12: let's go to the Gospel of John, chapter 14, verse 17, um, 547 00:28:55,430 --> 00:29:02,190 S12: where the Jesus refers to the spirit as you've you've 548 00:29:02,190 --> 00:29:05,190 S12: known basically, you've known me because I've been with you 549 00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:11,790 S12: masculine tense in the Greek, um, and the spirit as well. 550 00:29:11,790 --> 00:29:16,990 S12: Also masculine. Uh, parakletos. Which is the Greek word that 551 00:29:16,990 --> 00:29:21,750 S12: has a masculine connotation not only in chapter 14, but 552 00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:30,110 S12: also chapters 15 and 16, where Jesus refers to specifically, um, the, the, uh, 553 00:29:30,150 --> 00:29:34,190 S12: the comforter, uh, and the helper, the counselor who's going 554 00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:36,390 S12: to come along, that is the Holy Spirit. And in 555 00:29:36,390 --> 00:29:40,550 S12: each case, that Greek word which has a clear masculine. 556 00:29:42,750 --> 00:29:46,750 S12: Reference in its historical use in that language in which 557 00:29:46,750 --> 00:29:51,230 S12: it was written, uh, was used for he when he comes, 558 00:29:51,230 --> 00:29:54,990 S12: the Holy Spirit comes. So Scripture doesn't support that. Doesn't 559 00:29:54,990 --> 00:29:59,630 S12: support that at all. Uh, what it does say is that, um, uh, 560 00:29:59,630 --> 00:30:04,750 S12: the understanding of the apostles who walked, talked and observed 561 00:30:04,750 --> 00:30:08,350 S12: all that Jesus did include, including his resurrected state and 562 00:30:08,350 --> 00:30:10,870 S12: what he had to say after his resurrection and right 563 00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:14,469 S12: before his ascension. Uh, and then when they preached in 564 00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:17,260 S12: the book of acts the same thing. So then they 565 00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:20,180 S12: went on to write epistles about the truth that they 566 00:30:20,220 --> 00:30:24,060 S12: had learned from Jesus. Uh, Paul, having been commissioned by 567 00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:28,380 S12: the risen Christ, Peter having been commissioned by the risen 568 00:30:28,380 --> 00:30:31,700 S12: Christ face to face, then carrying on that message and 569 00:30:31,700 --> 00:30:35,580 S12: dutifully doing it in gospel form, uh, or in the 570 00:30:35,580 --> 00:30:38,540 S12: epistles that they wrote, all in your New Testament today 571 00:30:38,540 --> 00:30:43,660 S12: and all very, very accurately copied over 2000 years by 572 00:30:43,660 --> 00:30:46,940 S12: those that made very few errors. And when the errors occurred, 573 00:30:46,940 --> 00:30:50,900 S12: it might be a, it might be, um, a, uh, 574 00:30:50,940 --> 00:30:55,860 S12: a small segment of, uh, syntax. And none of it 575 00:30:55,860 --> 00:30:58,220 S12: has to do with any of the basic teachings or 576 00:30:58,260 --> 00:31:01,500 S12: orthodox beliefs of Christianity. And I have to tell you, 577 00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:05,220 S12: I was shocked at the audacity of saying Orthodox Christianity 578 00:31:05,420 --> 00:31:10,740 S12: treats the word Holy Spirit in the feminine entirely. Entirely untrue. 579 00:31:10,780 --> 00:31:12,820 S1: No can can I say, and you can't say this 580 00:31:12,820 --> 00:31:13,570 S1: because you're a guy. 581 00:31:13,690 --> 00:31:15,930 S12: Well, and I'm not. Look, if it if it said 582 00:31:15,930 --> 00:31:18,729 S12: if it said she, then I'd say. And it came 583 00:31:18,730 --> 00:31:21,890 S12: from God, I'd say okay, then apparently. God, that's what 584 00:31:21,890 --> 00:31:24,290 S12: you want me to believe. The scriptures are for our 585 00:31:24,290 --> 00:31:29,370 S12: edification and for information, and there is no support for 586 00:31:29,410 --> 00:31:30,450 S12: that whatsoever. 587 00:31:30,490 --> 00:31:34,130 S1: And and I'm so glad that God is such a 588 00:31:34,170 --> 00:31:37,650 S1: loving God and such a patient God. He must get 589 00:31:37,690 --> 00:31:40,370 S1: irritated with us mere mortals when we get hung up 590 00:31:40,370 --> 00:31:44,250 S1: on such small minutia. God is God. Jesus is Jesus 591 00:31:44,250 --> 00:31:46,490 S1: and the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit. In my mind, 592 00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:48,850 S1: in reading the word sex doesn't come into it, I 593 00:31:48,850 --> 00:31:52,050 S1: don't care. It's not germane. You know, the idea that 594 00:31:52,050 --> 00:31:54,450 S1: women have to be coddled to that we have to 595 00:31:54,450 --> 00:31:56,570 S1: have a feminine pronoun in there that's. 596 00:31:56,570 --> 00:32:01,570 S12: Otherwise it's overly masculine, you know? And so. So don't 597 00:32:01,570 --> 00:32:05,810 S12: you feel like there's really a political message behind what 598 00:32:06,050 --> 00:32:07,050 S12: sounds like a sermon? 599 00:32:07,090 --> 00:32:09,250 S1: I don't know if it's political or heresy either way. 600 00:32:09,250 --> 00:32:11,010 S1: I just I guess I'm going to be one of 601 00:32:11,010 --> 00:32:13,080 S1: those women who's going to stand up and say, stop. 602 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,840 S1: I'm not offended when we talk about mankind. I don't 603 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,800 S1: need to have a policewoman or a male man and 604 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,200 S1: get all hung up on those kinds of things. 605 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,560 S12: You can't. You can no longer say that was that 606 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,520 S12: was really manhandled. I mean, you and I could probably 607 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,760 S12: list a hundred manhole. Right. Well, how about when I 608 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:34,360 S12: get men hung mangrai. There we go. I can't use 609 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:35,040 S12: that anymore. 610 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,920 S1: What is it, girl? Then if I get hungry, I 611 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,320 S1: don't know, but I really can. I tell you ultimately. 612 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:42,680 S1: And I bet you I'm not the only woman who 613 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,160 S1: thinks this way. I think it's so condescending. You know, 614 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,480 S1: this person said when she was speaking at this conference. 615 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,600 S1: I hope you all feel elevated. I don't feel more 616 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,880 S1: elevated because you think the Holy Spirit has a feminine 617 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,960 S1: attribute of God. By the way, nothing in Scripture says 618 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,640 S1: that that's made up out of thin air. I don't 619 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,160 S1: care if you have an icon, which you're nothing more 620 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,200 S1: than drawings. As I said before and the Orthodox, she 621 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,840 S1: said Orthodox Christianity. She didn't say Biblical Christianity, so I'm 622 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,360 S1: not quite sure even how she means that word contextually. 623 00:33:10,430 --> 00:33:13,070 S1: But the bottom line is don't condescend to us at 624 00:33:13,070 --> 00:33:15,870 S1: women that somehow you have to have a specific pronoun. 625 00:33:15,870 --> 00:33:19,190 S1: This whole kerfuffle that the Church of England got involved in, 626 00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:21,150 S1: where we have to change some of the language of God, 627 00:33:21,150 --> 00:33:24,310 S1: so it's all inclusive. God is about as inclusive as 628 00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:25,670 S1: it could possibly get. 629 00:33:25,710 --> 00:33:29,229 S12: To that point. Uh, if I if I had an 630 00:33:29,230 --> 00:33:31,830 S12: opportunity to have a cup of coffee with this woman, um, 631 00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:36,830 S12: this lady, um, and I'd say, look, you obviously want 632 00:33:36,830 --> 00:33:41,950 S12: to honor the place of women in the church, in society, 633 00:33:42,270 --> 00:33:44,750 S12: in the world. Well, the best way to do that 634 00:33:44,750 --> 00:33:48,550 S12: is to go to all of Jesus's interactions with women 635 00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:53,590 S12: and see how he recognized the worth of women as 636 00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:58,830 S12: well as men. And yet all have sinned, man and woman. 637 00:33:58,830 --> 00:34:01,750 S12: We've all sinned, and we all need the same redemption 638 00:34:01,790 --> 00:34:06,030 S12: at before the same cross that can be reconciled to 639 00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:07,950 S12: the same blood of the one Savior. 640 00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:09,779 S1: Well, to your point, Craig, and it's a good one. 641 00:34:09,780 --> 00:34:12,460 S1: Jesus broke boundaries all the time because he was God, right? 642 00:34:12,460 --> 00:34:14,460 S1: And he's not willing that any should perish, but that 643 00:34:14,460 --> 00:34:16,259 S1: all should come to repentance. So here he is. I'll 644 00:34:16,260 --> 00:34:18,259 S1: give you John four. So he meets the woman at 645 00:34:18,260 --> 00:34:22,460 S1: the well, right? He's violating ethnicity and its boundaries because, oh, 646 00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:24,939 S1: Jews aren't supposed to have anything to do with Samaritans, right? 647 00:34:24,940 --> 00:34:26,660 S1: One of the prayers of the rabbis was, thank you, God. 648 00:34:26,660 --> 00:34:29,540 S1: I'm not part of woman, a dog or a Samaritan. Okay, 649 00:34:29,580 --> 00:34:31,299 S1: so you can tell how much they hated him. It 650 00:34:31,300 --> 00:34:34,020 S1: was a racist comment. It was prejudicial and it was 651 00:34:34,020 --> 00:34:36,979 S1: steeped in sin. Jesus violates that because he's a Jew, 652 00:34:36,980 --> 00:34:38,779 S1: going out of his way in John four to go 653 00:34:38,780 --> 00:34:42,219 S1: through the Samaritan territories as opposed to around, which is 654 00:34:42,219 --> 00:34:44,180 S1: usually what Jews did on their journey, just to avoid 655 00:34:44,180 --> 00:34:47,180 S1: those bad, terrible, awful Samaritans. Second of all, he's talking 656 00:34:47,180 --> 00:34:50,580 S1: to a woman. Not only that, she's sexually lewd, okay? 657 00:34:50,620 --> 00:34:53,020 S1: She's sexually very. 658 00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:55,580 S12: She has a long history of promiscuity. 659 00:34:55,620 --> 00:34:57,620 S1: Exactly. That was the word I was looking for. So 660 00:34:57,620 --> 00:34:57,979 S1: he does. 661 00:34:58,020 --> 00:35:00,300 S12: And so do the men, by the way, who consorted 662 00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:00,540 S12: with her. 663 00:35:00,580 --> 00:35:03,340 S1: So let me put it again. More common parlance, he's 664 00:35:03,340 --> 00:35:05,380 S1: speaking to a woman, not just a woman, but a 665 00:35:05,380 --> 00:35:08,730 S1: woman of ill repute. Right. Gender doesn't come into it. 666 00:35:08,770 --> 00:35:11,210 S1: He was looking at man looks on the outward appearance. 667 00:35:11,210 --> 00:35:13,529 S1: God looks on the heart. So he pierces all of 668 00:35:13,530 --> 00:35:16,049 S1: those boundaries. And he goes to where that woman's at 669 00:35:16,050 --> 00:35:19,210 S1: and what he needs to do to rescue her. So, um, again, 670 00:35:19,210 --> 00:35:21,529 S1: every time I hear someone, whether it's the Church of 671 00:35:21,530 --> 00:35:23,810 S1: England or a speaker like this, have to say, don't 672 00:35:23,810 --> 00:35:26,250 S1: you feel liberated because we've given you a pronoun that 673 00:35:26,250 --> 00:35:29,689 S1: connects with you? My challenge is to connect with God. 674 00:35:29,690 --> 00:35:32,770 S1: God is always there, waiting for me to be able 675 00:35:32,770 --> 00:35:35,609 S1: to worship him, to know him, to speak with him 676 00:35:35,610 --> 00:35:38,450 S1: through the power of prayer. Wonderful conversation yesterday with Doctor 677 00:35:38,450 --> 00:35:40,850 S1: Erwin Lutzer about prayer and the day before that, a 678 00:35:40,850 --> 00:35:44,930 S1: fabulous conversation with Doctor Sam storms about substitutionary atonement. So 679 00:35:44,930 --> 00:35:47,610 S1: the idea of this whole concept of who God is. 680 00:35:47,650 --> 00:35:50,570 S1: Every time we introduce these Mickey Mouse arguments about saying 681 00:35:50,570 --> 00:35:53,370 S1: there has to be a specific pronoun, we are diminishing 682 00:35:53,370 --> 00:35:56,410 S1: the power, the authority, and the glory of God. I, 683 00:35:56,450 --> 00:35:59,810 S1: as a woman say, please stop it. Don't condescend anymore. 684 00:35:59,850 --> 00:36:01,649 S12: Yeah. Now, it would be one thing if it were 685 00:36:01,650 --> 00:36:04,810 S12: a debatable issue and there were a few minor issues 686 00:36:04,810 --> 00:36:08,930 S12: that are debatable, but this isn't debatable, because the language 687 00:36:09,570 --> 00:36:14,090 S12: in the history of the words that were used to 688 00:36:14,130 --> 00:36:20,290 S12: write the gospel accounts and and frankly, they were eyewitnesses. 689 00:36:20,330 --> 00:36:24,570 S12: In fact, Luke makes a Doctor Luke, in the beginning 690 00:36:24,570 --> 00:36:27,730 S12: of the Gospel of Luke as well as acts really, uh, 691 00:36:27,730 --> 00:36:31,810 S12: reminds us that this information is from eyewitnesses. Those who walk, 692 00:36:31,850 --> 00:36:38,930 S12: talked and observed Jesus in his ministry. Um, recording and then, uh, 693 00:36:38,930 --> 00:36:41,370 S12: sharing that and based on the language. 694 00:36:41,810 --> 00:36:43,049 S1: All right. So let me take a break and we're 695 00:36:43,050 --> 00:36:44,690 S1: going to come right back again. This is in the 696 00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:47,250 S1: market with Janet partial. Don't forget, our book is called 697 00:36:47,250 --> 00:36:49,810 S1: secure and it's yours for a gift of any amount. 698 00:36:49,810 --> 00:36:57,770 S1: We'll be right back after this. Okay. As long as 699 00:36:57,770 --> 00:37:00,810 S1: we've got you thinking like a Berean where you're testing 700 00:37:00,810 --> 00:37:03,649 S1: all things because you are a person of noble character. 701 00:37:04,010 --> 00:37:09,040 S1: You just heard that feminist diatribe and grotesquely unbiblical idea 702 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,440 S1: that the Holy Spirit is the she part of the Trinity? Uh, 703 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,839 S1: let me talk about syncretism, because this is very much 704 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,879 S1: a hallmark of these latter days. If you looked up 705 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,120 S1: that word, it's a noun, and it basically means the 706 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:25,279 S1: merging of different religions together or different cultures together, or 707 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,640 S1: different schools of thought together. So it's an amalgamation. So 708 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:29,839 S1: you take a little bit of that, a little bit 709 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:30,960 S1: of that, a little bit of that, mix it all 710 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,439 S1: together and you've synchronized. So rather than having a pure 711 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,120 S1: school of thought, you've got all of these other thoughts 712 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,360 S1: tied in together. You don't know what I mean. Well 713 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,080 S1: listen to this. Because this is also Wolf audio. And 714 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,520 S1: I want you to listen. And I want you to 715 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,480 S1: hear what syncretism from the pulpit sounds like. Have a listen. 716 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,200 S14: I've been surprised since coming to this parish how often 717 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,720 S14: people have asked me some version of the same question. 718 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,719 S14: It goes something like this. Is it okay with you 719 00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:03,990 S14: that I sometimes practice Buddhist meditation? And sometimes the question 720 00:38:03,989 --> 00:38:08,190 S14: comes off almost as an apology. And I'm always a 721 00:38:08,190 --> 00:38:13,630 S14: little surprised. And the answer is yes. It's okay. And 722 00:38:13,630 --> 00:38:19,390 S14: me too. Sitting with Zen practitioners has helped me to 723 00:38:20,030 --> 00:38:23,750 S14: practicing yoga keeps my body moving, but also my mind 724 00:38:23,790 --> 00:38:28,190 S14: able to focus my spirit. Able to pray. I believe 725 00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:31,790 S14: God can be found out beyond the church. And the 726 00:38:31,790 --> 00:38:35,630 S14: experiences of God we have in other traditions can inform 727 00:38:35,630 --> 00:38:39,830 S14: our approach to God here. It's not either or. It's 728 00:38:39,830 --> 00:38:41,710 S14: both and with God. 729 00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:45,270 S1: Okay, should we call my friend Doctor Carl Payne? Because 730 00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:46,710 S1: I bet he'd have a thing or two to say 731 00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:49,270 S1: about this. So if you look up the word Zen. Okay, 732 00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:52,629 S1: this is the Oxford Dictionary. It is a Japanese school 733 00:38:52,750 --> 00:38:58,790 S1: of Buddhism, emphasizing the value of meditation and intuition. Well, 734 00:38:59,070 --> 00:39:01,859 S1: one drop of arsenic. The Bible says, can poison the 735 00:39:01,860 --> 00:39:06,340 S1: whole well. Water and oil do not mix. So either 736 00:39:06,340 --> 00:39:08,939 S1: you have a Buddhist worldview, which is, by the way, 737 00:39:08,980 --> 00:39:13,020 S1: Christ less. It is about you, the exaltation of you, 738 00:39:13,020 --> 00:39:15,219 S1: you getting better in every iteration so you can come 739 00:39:15,219 --> 00:39:17,540 S1: back better the next time, or you come back worse 740 00:39:17,580 --> 00:39:22,259 S1: the next time, based on totally 1,000% works. How in 741 00:39:22,260 --> 00:39:25,060 S1: the world could that possibly be compatible with the principles 742 00:39:25,060 --> 00:39:29,020 S1: of Christianity, where Christ becomes the propitiation? There's an important 743 00:39:29,020 --> 00:39:32,660 S1: word for us as maturing saints the propitiation of our sins. 744 00:39:32,660 --> 00:39:35,060 S1: You and I are guilty as charged. The wages of 745 00:39:35,060 --> 00:39:37,620 S1: sin is death. The gift of God is eternal life, 746 00:39:37,620 --> 00:39:39,500 S1: and without the shedding of blood, there is no remission 747 00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:41,540 S1: of sins. You and I are the ones who sent 748 00:39:41,540 --> 00:39:43,100 S1: Christ to the cross. I guess the worry of these 749 00:39:43,140 --> 00:39:45,259 S1: arguments that say it's the Romans that killed Jesus, it's 750 00:39:45,260 --> 00:39:48,100 S1: the Jews that killed Jesus. I'm raising my hand. I 751 00:39:48,140 --> 00:39:50,939 S1: sent Christ to the cross. It was my sin that 752 00:39:50,940 --> 00:39:53,620 S1: separated me from God. And Jesus stepped in and paid 753 00:39:53,620 --> 00:39:56,140 S1: the wages. So these were characters that were simply met 754 00:39:56,180 --> 00:39:58,540 S1: ahead of time, before time began to play a certain 755 00:39:58,540 --> 00:40:01,930 S1: role in the final act of crucifixion, but they weren't 756 00:40:01,930 --> 00:40:04,689 S1: the ones who were guilty I was guilty. I was 757 00:40:04,690 --> 00:40:06,650 S1: guilty of sin and price had the price had to 758 00:40:06,650 --> 00:40:10,250 S1: be paid. So here you've got this, this individual in 759 00:40:10,410 --> 00:40:13,969 S1: religious garb saying again that he practices all the time 760 00:40:13,969 --> 00:40:16,609 S1: and you can find God outside the church. Well, sometimes 761 00:40:16,610 --> 00:40:18,649 S1: you can go so far outside the church, Craig, that 762 00:40:18,650 --> 00:40:20,810 S1: quite frankly, you're just plain lost your thoughts. 763 00:40:20,850 --> 00:40:23,410 S12: Yeah. This is an example of one of the trends 764 00:40:23,410 --> 00:40:28,170 S12: of cultural Christianity rather than biblical Christianity. Um, I recently 765 00:40:28,170 --> 00:40:31,609 S12: read a newsletter. It was actually a column from a 766 00:40:31,610 --> 00:40:36,370 S12: mainstream denominational church, and it was advocating the idea of 767 00:40:36,410 --> 00:40:40,730 S12: let's fuse Buddhism with Christianity because, quote, many have found 768 00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:44,890 S12: Christ through Buddhism. Well, the Christ you find through Buddhism 769 00:40:44,890 --> 00:40:47,370 S12: is not the Christ of Scripture, so it's really not 770 00:40:47,370 --> 00:40:51,570 S12: Christ at all. Buddhism teaches that we are all born 771 00:40:51,570 --> 00:40:55,770 S12: with a Buddha nature. All we have to do is 772 00:40:55,770 --> 00:41:00,960 S12: find the enlightenment to release it. Said. Now, completely contrary 773 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,080 S12: to that is Christianity based on the gospels, based upon 774 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,040 S12: the Bible that says we are all sinners. All have 775 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,560 S12: fallen short of the glory of God. We don't have 776 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,600 S12: anything good in us that we need to be enlightened about. 777 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,320 S12: Unlike Buddhism, rather, we have to come to grips with 778 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,200 S12: the fact that we are sinners. We're made in the 779 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,239 S12: image of God, and that's why we should respect each other. 780 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,839 S12: And that's why we should respect the life that Christ 781 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:33,040 S12: or that God has given us organically in the birth process, 782 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,160 S12: so we can believe in the sanctity of life and 783 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,680 S12: also respect for our other human beings in the way 784 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,760 S12: in which we transmit the truth of the gospel. Love 785 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:48,239 S12: plus grace and truth, Paul said. But that doesn't mean 786 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,760 S12: that we already have God within us, and it also 787 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,880 S12: means that the sayings of Buddha will not save us. 788 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,880 S12: Buddha never claimed to be a messiah. He never claimed 789 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,600 S12: to be a savior. Rather, each of us are our 790 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,640 S12: own saviors. And that Buddha nature is what we simply 791 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,840 S12: need to find. If you dig deep enough in yourself 792 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,480 S12: under true reflection in the mirror of Scripture, you will 793 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,880 S12: see yourself as a sinner in need of redemption. And 794 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,120 S12: what you also need to see is the fact that 795 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,839 S12: there is a cure for that moral cancer. And that 796 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,360 S12: is what Christ did on the cross, the Son of God. 797 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,399 S12: And you'll find that in the scriptures, you don't find 798 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:25,800 S12: that in the sayings of Buddha. 799 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,799 S1: Well, and more importantly for a pastor, and I guess 800 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,959 S1: I'm using the term loosely because this particular person of 801 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:38,120 S1: religious practice, uh, basically says he doesn't himself, that he 802 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,640 S1: uses the Zen ideas and meditation, etc.. Well, I, I 803 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,479 S1: believe in meditation, but I meditate by setting my mind 804 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,799 S1: on things above. I meditate by thinking on the Word 805 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,799 S1: of God. I don't say some nonsensical vowel and hope 806 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,799 S1: that the enlightenment comes to me while I'm sitting in 807 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,400 S1: a lotus position with my thumb and my pointer finger 808 00:42:55,469 --> 00:42:59,629 S1: touching together. Um, that's in fact. Here's again the stunning part. 809 00:42:59,670 --> 00:43:01,950 S1: The more you have a greater understanding of who God 810 00:43:01,950 --> 00:43:04,350 S1: is and a deeper understanding of His Word, the question 811 00:43:04,350 --> 00:43:05,830 S1: that has to come to mind when you hear something 812 00:43:05,830 --> 00:43:08,109 S1: like this is, sir, why in the world would you 813 00:43:08,110 --> 00:43:09,870 S1: go from light to darkness? 814 00:43:10,070 --> 00:43:13,870 S12: Exactly. Wrong direction, wrong direction. Hey, Paul and Jesus both 815 00:43:13,870 --> 00:43:19,670 S12: said look repetitious, meaningless. Uh, chanting prayers are not what 816 00:43:19,710 --> 00:43:22,910 S12: God is after. He wants you to seek him. And 817 00:43:22,910 --> 00:43:25,870 S12: once you found him, then you can have dialogue with 818 00:43:25,870 --> 00:43:29,069 S12: him in prayer. You speak to him, and through His Word, 819 00:43:29,070 --> 00:43:31,189 S12: in His Spirit he will speak to you well. 820 00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:33,470 S1: And not only that, but Buddhism is such a perfect 821 00:43:33,469 --> 00:43:37,750 S1: example of you can save yourself. You determine your eternity 822 00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:39,150 S1: based on what you do. 823 00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:40,430 S12: Which makes us all little. 824 00:43:40,430 --> 00:43:42,509 S1: Gods, doesn't it? But when you think about it, that's 825 00:43:42,510 --> 00:43:43,750 S1: kind of Genesis all. 826 00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:44,069 S12: Over the. 827 00:43:44,070 --> 00:43:46,709 S1: Place, number one. But it's also Buddhism at its core, 828 00:43:46,750 --> 00:43:48,830 S1: is it not that it's the spark of the divine? 829 00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:52,070 S1: So again, this is why we play this. It isn't 830 00:43:52,070 --> 00:43:54,700 S1: about putting the individual down. I don't care about the individual. 831 00:43:54,900 --> 00:43:56,940 S1: That's why I don't say their names. I don't mention 832 00:43:56,940 --> 00:43:59,140 S1: their denomination. I do it because the Bible tells us 833 00:43:59,140 --> 00:44:01,180 S1: out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks. 834 00:44:01,180 --> 00:44:03,620 S1: So what's coming out of that woman's mouth? That man's 835 00:44:03,620 --> 00:44:07,380 S1: mouth is what they believe. Okay, so it isn't about personalities. 836 00:44:07,380 --> 00:44:10,259 S1: It isn't about people. It's about principle. So you heard 837 00:44:10,260 --> 00:44:12,860 S1: one person say that the Holy Spirit was a she. 838 00:44:13,020 --> 00:44:15,020 S1: You heard this person say that he had no problems 839 00:44:15,020 --> 00:44:18,219 S1: whatsoever putting Buddhism and Christianity in the same boat and 840 00:44:18,219 --> 00:44:20,820 S1: thinking they could sail together. Now, you can either believe 841 00:44:20,820 --> 00:44:23,540 S1: that or you take out the plumb line. The book 842 00:44:23,540 --> 00:44:25,939 S1: of Amos talks about the plumb line Dwight L Moody 843 00:44:25,980 --> 00:44:28,780 S1: talked about, which is the straight stick of God's truth, 844 00:44:28,780 --> 00:44:31,419 S1: and you can measure it, and if it's crooked, have 845 00:44:31,420 --> 00:44:33,660 S1: nothing to do with it. There you go. That's the 846 00:44:33,660 --> 00:44:35,299 S1: end of our one. We do this for another hour. 847 00:44:35,340 --> 00:44:37,340 S1: Hope you can stick around. If not, go to wherever 848 00:44:37,340 --> 00:44:40,460 S1: you find your favorite podcast in the market with Janet Parshall. 849 00:44:40,460 --> 00:44:42,460 S1: Put in the second hour today or the first if 850 00:44:42,460 --> 00:44:44,580 S1: you want to listen again or recommend it to a friend. 851 00:44:44,580 --> 00:44:46,460 S1: And then that way you can always listen whenever it's 852 00:44:46,460 --> 00:44:49,260 S1: convenient for you. Don't forget your copy of secure. Thanks friends. 853 00:44:49,260 --> 00:44:50,820 S1: Have a great weekend. See you next time!