WEBVTT - Pouring into the Young and Weak 0:00:00.350 --> 0:00:04.430 Coming to you from the Morning Star Mission sponsored studio. 0:00:04.460 --> 0:00:08.270 This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio. 0:00:08.300 --> 0:00:13.580 Man, it matters more than anything. Okay. I hinted around 0:00:13.580 --> 0:00:16.700 my big old sled dog, Alaska. I got to tell 0:00:16.700 --> 0:00:19.400 the story, and then I'll tell the rest of the story. 0:00:19.430 --> 0:00:22.880 Because there's a great spiritual principle. Whenever you whenever you 0:00:22.910 --> 0:00:25.010 watch a dog, you can learn a lot about the 0:00:25.010 --> 0:00:26.299 spiritual life. 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:30.290 Carl. So when we asked recently on social media, I 0:00:30.290 --> 0:00:34.610 asked people to share what is their favorite Carl Alaska story. 0:00:34.610 --> 0:00:39.140 This story that you're about to tell about Alaska, about 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:42.409 this is your favorite story, about that Carl tells about 0:00:42.409 --> 0:00:46.040 his Alaskan adventures, the story about Alaska. The sled dog 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:48.530 was the number one vote getter. Yeah, this was the 0:00:48.530 --> 0:00:51.949 one that is the favorite of the boom crew. Okay, 0:00:51.979 --> 0:00:53.240 so go ahead and tell it. 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:56.720 So I'm finishing up the last. I had 70 miles 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:58.610 to go on the Yukon River and it was tough. 0:00:58.610 --> 0:01:00.350 I was going right into the wind. I was so 0:01:00.350 --> 0:01:04.640 sleep deprived. I'm tying myself to the sled handle bar sleeping, 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:07.670 standing up. I mean, I was I was a hurting 0:01:07.670 --> 0:01:11.150 young man. I'm 18 years old. Came sliding into the 0:01:11.150 --> 0:01:15.500 village of Caltech at about 3 a.m., and I look 0:01:15.530 --> 0:01:18.380 around and like, there's no checkers there. This is like 0:01:18.380 --> 0:01:21.620 six years into the Iditarod, guys. It's hard for me 0:01:21.620 --> 0:01:26.210 to remember that I ran that race back in 1979 0:01:26.209 --> 0:01:28.940 when it was just it was just new, you know, 0:01:28.940 --> 0:01:30.590 and back then it felt like it had been going 0:01:30.590 --> 0:01:33.470 on forever. But it was just six years. So it 0:01:33.470 --> 0:01:36.890 was wild. I get into the village checkpoint and I 0:01:36.890 --> 0:01:39.050 couldn't find any checkers anywhere, so I put in my 0:01:39.050 --> 0:01:43.490 emergency brake, which is a Snowhook, stomped it into the ground, 0:01:43.910 --> 0:01:45.620 told the dogs, I said, hang on guys, I'm going 0:01:45.650 --> 0:01:47.180 to get you fed up here in a moment. But 0:01:47.180 --> 0:01:49.160 I got to get checked in. You talk to your 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:51.290 team after a while when you're out with dogs only 0:01:51.290 --> 0:01:53.240 for a couple of years, pretty quick. You're carrying on 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:56.930 conversations with them and they've amazingly, they know exactly what's 0:01:56.930 --> 0:01:57.410 going on. 0:01:57.440 --> 0:01:58.070 Of course. 0:01:58.070 --> 0:02:01.370 So I'm looking around. I see a light in this 0:02:01.370 --> 0:02:04.730 cabin and I knock on the door. I get inside 0:02:04.730 --> 0:02:09.590 and the minute I get inside, I hear all hell 0:02:09.620 --> 0:02:14.180 breaking loose outside with a dog fight. And I'm like, no. 0:02:14.270 --> 0:02:16.430 And I knew it wasn't my team because they didn't 0:02:16.430 --> 0:02:21.440 fight with each other. And I come out and by 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:23.930 this time, by the time I get back outdoors to 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:27.740 the team, the aftermath is there. Some dogs in the 0:02:27.740 --> 0:02:30.470 village had been loosened off their chains and out of 0:02:30.500 --> 0:02:35.390 their kennels, and they saw these, my team infringing on 0:02:35.419 --> 0:02:37.430 their turf, and they had attacked my team. But I 0:02:37.430 --> 0:02:40.220 had one dog in the wheel, which is right next 0:02:40.220 --> 0:02:44.510 to the sled. His name is Alaska and he decided 0:02:44.510 --> 0:02:50.149 to defend the whole team. He's big, strong, beautiful, white haired, 0:02:50.150 --> 0:02:56.660 blue eyed, husky, beautiful man. And I looked down in 0:02:56.660 --> 0:03:00.000 the snow, guys. And it's just the snow is running 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:05.760 red with blood. And I'm like, no, no. And Alaska 0:03:05.790 --> 0:03:08.730 looks up to me and he goes, I defended him dead. 0:03:10.110 --> 0:03:14.190 I took care of him. So I grab up Alaska 0:03:14.190 --> 0:03:16.800 and I take him inside. Now I've got a veterinarians 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.290 awake and he's looking them over and he says, oh, man, 0:03:19.290 --> 0:03:23.100 he's chewed up. They went after his belly and went 0:03:23.100 --> 0:03:28.710 after his hind legs. And I said, I'm going to 0:03:28.710 --> 0:03:31.109 stay here for seven hours. I'm going to feed my team, 0:03:31.110 --> 0:03:32.940 and I'm going to try to try to get him 0:03:32.940 --> 0:03:35.490 because I need him. He's my muscle. I got to 0:03:35.490 --> 0:03:38.010 have him, especially when I get on to the Norton 0:03:38.010 --> 0:03:40.470 Sound coast of the Bering Sea. Man, I got to 0:03:40.500 --> 0:03:45.670 got to have my dog. He's my muscle. Waited seven 0:03:45.670 --> 0:03:47.370 hours and I should have known it. I think the 0:03:47.370 --> 0:03:48.990 vet knew it and he didn't want to break it 0:03:48.990 --> 0:03:53.070 to me at the time. But Alaska had gotten so 0:03:53.070 --> 0:03:55.950 seized up from his wounds he couldn't even get up 0:03:55.950 --> 0:03:59.820 to walk, let alone Won't run. And I'm looking at him. 0:03:59.820 --> 0:04:02.370 I said, Alaska, I got to drop you here, man. 0:04:03.210 --> 0:04:08.670 And he let out a couple little whimpers like, come on, man, 0:04:09.030 --> 0:04:14.700 don't tell me my race is over. I gave him 0:04:14.700 --> 0:04:16.650 to the checker and I said, hold him here. And 0:04:16.650 --> 0:04:19.770 they put him off in a kennel that had he's 0:04:19.770 --> 0:04:22.830 on a he's on a restraint. And then he's inside 0:04:22.830 --> 0:04:30.450 a fenced area really secure. And I pulled the snowhook 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:34.080 after seven hours and gave my team the command, and 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:37.919 they were all down a little bit. We rounded this corner. 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:40.410 They looked left, saw the last guy, couldn't even look left, 0:04:40.410 --> 0:04:50.010 and he's up trying to stand up and he's. Going, hey, hey, 0:04:50.130 --> 0:04:56.190 you're leaving me. As heartsick, we climbed up out of 0:04:56.250 --> 0:05:00.960 Caltech over pretty steep paths. And I'm like, man, do 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:06.000 I need Alaska? Took me 24 hours to make it 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:08.219 99 miles. I had to get out in front of 0:05:08.220 --> 0:05:11.520 my team several times and put on snowshoes. And they 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:13.560 don't have to do that anymore. And the Iditarod. It's 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:18.090 pretty groomed relative to what it was. And I got 0:05:18.270 --> 0:05:22.530 I mean, I was it was a long haul to Unalakleet, 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:26.940 got into Unalakleet, got there, got my team staked out. 0:05:26.970 --> 0:05:29.610 Now I'm focused on the race in front of me, 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:32.190 and I go into a home that invited me in 0:05:32.220 --> 0:05:36.029 for a big old bowl of like, caribou chili, and 0:05:36.029 --> 0:05:39.630 I'm sitting on this bowl. I've still got my bark on, 0:05:39.630 --> 0:05:43.110 but my fox mittens are off and my beaver hat 0:05:43.140 --> 0:05:45.510 is off. And, you know, I got sweat pouring off 0:05:45.510 --> 0:05:51.930 my scalp. I mean, it was quite a sight. Knock 0:05:51.930 --> 0:05:55.620 at the door, they open it up. There's a young 0:05:55.620 --> 0:05:59.850 girl from the village of Unalakleet. Is is musher number 0:05:59.850 --> 0:06:04.110 seven in here? And I said yeah, I'm number seven. 0:06:04.140 --> 0:06:09.299 That's my bib number. Says you're your dog got loose 0:06:09.300 --> 0:06:11.400 from your team out here. One of your dogs got loose. 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:13.860 And I walk outside and I walk around the corner 0:06:13.860 --> 0:06:18.419 and look at my dogs and they're all here. I said, 0:06:18.420 --> 0:06:21.240 what do you mean? She said, because we got a dog. 0:06:21.270 --> 0:06:25.050 And I walk around the corner right near the the 0:06:25.050 --> 0:06:28.080 checker station where the ham radio operators are and everything. 0:06:28.110 --> 0:06:37.170 And about that time there's Alaska. I said, oh, hold 0:06:37.170 --> 0:06:41.190 it here. The ham radio operator, he's watching all this 0:06:41.190 --> 0:06:44.580 go down and he gets on the horn and he says, hey, Caltech, Caltech, 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:53.460 this is Unalakleet. Yeah. Go ahead. Unilaterally. He says, hey, uh, 0:06:53.460 --> 0:06:55.560 if you had any planes come out of there because 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:59.460 they transport dogs that are dropped to bigger towns villages 0:06:59.460 --> 0:07:04.110 like Unalakleet. They transport them in small planes like 180 0:07:04.140 --> 0:07:08.970 or super cubs. They said, no, we've not transported any 0:07:08.970 --> 0:07:11.670 dogs out of here in the last 48 hours. Too 0:07:11.670 --> 0:07:17.100 much cloud cover. But we have had a dog that 0:07:17.100 --> 0:07:23.220 we lost and we can't find them. A ham radio 0:07:23.220 --> 0:07:27.360 operator says from team number seven. Yeah. Team number seven. 0:07:31.500 --> 0:07:37.080 My dog Alaska, my wheel dog, somehow chewed his way 0:07:37.110 --> 0:07:42.360 or broke his way free from a chain, jumped the 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:46.980 fence and probably crawled a good bit of the way, 0:07:46.980 --> 0:07:52.080 but did everything he could to follow me 99 miles 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:53.220 all the way to uniquely. 0:07:55.860 --> 0:07:59.340 Oh, man. Wow. 0:07:59.370 --> 0:08:04.500 And when I saw him. It was quite a reunion. 0:08:06.870 --> 0:08:11.130 I'd already officially dropped him. He'd walked off most of 0:08:11.130 --> 0:08:16.470 his wounds, guys, so I had to leave him in late. 0:08:17.130 --> 0:08:20.130 But to this day, I'll never forget the tenacious love 0:08:20.130 --> 0:08:27.450 of my wheel dog, Alaska. What a dude. What a dude. 0:08:30.420 --> 0:08:33.750 So that's all you're getting today about my dog, Alaska? 0:08:35.550 --> 0:08:39.450 That is just one of the most epic stories ever. 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:41.910 You could retell that story again and again, and it's 0:08:41.910 --> 0:08:42.810 just fine. 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:44.520 It needs to be. I mean. 0:08:45.210 --> 0:08:46.679 I love that story. 0:08:46.710 --> 0:08:47.640 I mean, how did he. 0:08:47.670 --> 0:08:49.860 The reunion of the two of you. So many. 0:08:50.010 --> 0:08:52.560 How did he track you for 99 miles? 0:08:52.590 --> 0:08:54.580 Well, I mean, there's one trail and they've got a 0:08:54.580 --> 0:08:55.689 good nose. 0:08:56.410 --> 0:08:57.610 But yeah. 0:08:57.730 --> 0:09:00.429 How to get free? How do you walk it off? 0:09:00.429 --> 0:09:01.510 How do you walk it off? 0:09:01.540 --> 0:09:02.590 How do you jump a fence? 0:09:02.620 --> 0:09:04.510 I mean, I had an image in my mind of 0:09:04.510 --> 0:09:07.510 him dragging his hindquarters on his front legs, and I'm 0:09:07.510 --> 0:09:09.910 assuming he had to do that a little bit. I mean, 0:09:09.940 --> 0:09:12.130 he had a little bit of kind of giddy up 0:09:12.130 --> 0:09:14.020 in the back legs, but not a lot. 0:09:14.050 --> 0:09:15.940 How far behind you do you think he was? 0:09:16.330 --> 0:09:18.490 Well, he caught up to me, so I don't, you know, 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.340 it took him 24 hours or. I don't know how long. 0:09:21.340 --> 0:09:22.930 We don't know how long it took him to cover 0:09:22.929 --> 0:09:25.150 that ground. Yeah, no one will ask. He probably made 0:09:25.150 --> 0:09:26.950 it in 8 to 10 hours, man. 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.860 And then to leave him again? Oh, man. 0:09:33.190 --> 0:09:36.580 Yeah, but he knew then what was going down. Yeah, 0:09:36.580 --> 0:09:39.160 he knew then what was going down. He he's just 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:41.500 taking a long shot on rejoining the team. 0:09:41.710 --> 0:09:44.020 Like hey, how much he loved you. 0:09:45.370 --> 0:09:51.849 Yeah, he loved me, man. He loved me. He loved me. 0:09:52.270 --> 0:09:55.000 Goodness sakes. I'm sorry, I'm in Unalakleet right now. Well, 0:09:55.210 --> 0:09:56.140 sorry about that. 0:09:56.170 --> 0:09:59.350 If you want that story in written form, if you 0:09:59.350 --> 0:10:00.640 want to see it, if you want to read it 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:02.650 again or share it, we do have that for you. 0:10:02.650 --> 0:10:08.440 You can just text the word Alaska to 800 555 78, 98. 0:10:08.470 --> 0:10:10.449 If you want to share that or read it again, 0:10:10.450 --> 0:10:15.160 just text Alaska to 800 555 7898. 0:10:17.350 --> 0:10:20.950 I think I think we got misty eyes super dry 0:10:20.950 --> 0:10:23.229 in here right now. Kind of. 0:10:23.260 --> 0:10:23.500 Good. 0:10:23.500 --> 0:10:25.630 Doesn't it? Oh boy. 0:10:25.660 --> 0:10:28.270 Someone just texted and said, I'm not crying with my coffee. 0:10:28.270 --> 0:10:29.020 You are. 0:10:30.850 --> 0:10:35.439 No, I'm crying, I admit it. Yeah, I admit it. 0:10:35.470 --> 0:10:38.620 He's a good guy. Every once in a while, I 0:10:38.650 --> 0:10:41.500 cry about my dogs. When I think about them, I 0:10:41.500 --> 0:10:43.960 don't cry, but I get a little misty eyed. 0:10:45.130 --> 0:10:46.150 Of course. 0:10:46.330 --> 0:10:49.330 Yeah. Get that story. Just text the word Alaska to us. 0:10:49.330 --> 0:10:52.780 I didn't know you had that handy there. Okay. Our 0:10:52.780 --> 0:10:56.949 number here (800) 555-7898. It's a good one to read to 0:10:56.950 --> 0:10:58.839 your kids or grandkids, right, Ali? 0:10:58.870 --> 0:11:01.030 Yes. Yeah. I'm going to read this one to my kids. 0:11:01.030 --> 0:11:04.840 I told them about it before and they were like, how? What? 0:11:04.870 --> 0:11:06.520 I'm going to tell them again. Yeah. 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:11.349 That story made it into a 50th anniversary of the 0:11:11.380 --> 0:11:13.480 start of the race called Iditarod, the early years or 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:17.020 something like that, a big old hardback book. And when 0:11:17.020 --> 0:11:19.780 I submitted it, they texted me. They emailed me back 0:11:19.780 --> 0:11:23.709 and said, Holy cow, this is epic. And there's epic 0:11:23.710 --> 0:11:26.469 stories in there, but this has got to be one 0:11:26.470 --> 0:11:29.170 of the better ones for sure. I'm a little biased. 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:30.760 All right. Coming up in a few minutes. Have we 0:11:30.790 --> 0:11:32.170 got a treat for you? Right, Ali? 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:35.350 Another story that might make you a little teary eyed, 0:11:35.350 --> 0:11:39.819 but this one is one of absolute rescue a unique 0:11:39.820 --> 0:11:41.980 ministry will introduce you to. Coming up. 0:11:42.340 --> 0:11:46.900 A basketball mom who's mastered the dad joke. Ali is 0:11:46.900 --> 0:11:50.770 in the crew. It's Karl and crew on Moody Radio. 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:53.470 One of the toughest things that I ever encountered, and 0:11:53.470 --> 0:11:55.330 I don't mind sharing this. Here is I had a 0:11:55.330 --> 0:11:58.510 teacher that said something about me when I was in 0:11:58.510 --> 0:12:01.960 high school, and she actually printed it in the yearbook. 0:12:02.770 --> 0:12:04.540 It was one of these things where I'm supposed to 0:12:04.540 --> 0:12:08.559 get this, this life statement underneath my photo, and I'm 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:10.990 busy training for the Iditarod Trail Race. And the last 0:12:10.990 --> 0:12:13.480 thing in my mind was a life statement. It's like, 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:15.250 run to Nome. I said, what I probably would have 0:12:15.250 --> 0:12:18.309 put or who knows what I put, but she put 0:12:18.309 --> 0:12:20.920 one in for me because I didn't get mine in. 0:12:20.950 --> 0:12:23.380 And she said, after all is said and done, there's 0:12:23.380 --> 0:12:28.179 a lot more said than done. And that etched its 0:12:28.210 --> 0:12:30.880 way onto my heart and mind, and I know that 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:32.950 it did, because I remember I can quote it to 0:12:32.980 --> 0:12:34.000 this day, Ali. 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:35.110 And it was back in. 0:12:35.260 --> 0:12:36.700 Senior year of high school. 0:12:36.730 --> 0:12:40.720 Yeah. You know, and it's it's wild how you can 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:44.860 hear 50 positive things in a day. But if someone 0:12:44.860 --> 0:12:49.000 says something to you that's critical or hurtful or negative, boy, 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:52.000 you go home thinking about one thing, that one thing 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:53.439 and not the 50 others. 0:12:53.470 --> 0:12:58.870 It brands you. So what happens? You get grown up 0:12:58.870 --> 0:13:01.090 in Christ. And now I got a way to process 0:13:01.090 --> 0:13:03.220 that because I know who I am in Jesus. And 0:13:03.220 --> 0:13:06.850 that's certainly not my life moniker. In fact, it's the 0:13:06.850 --> 0:13:10.720 opposite of that. But what happens when you get something 0:13:10.750 --> 0:13:15.189 physically that's just like, shh. This is who you are. 0:13:16.330 --> 0:13:19.840 We got one of the most crazy ministries going. If 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:21.910 you sit there and you go, well, let's think of 0:13:21.910 --> 0:13:22.960 a ministry. 0:13:22.990 --> 0:13:26.860 You ain't thinking of this one. There's no way you're thinking. 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:29.020 No way you're dreaming this one up, Ali. 0:13:29.050 --> 0:13:34.030 No, no, but one guy did. Chris Baker, founder of Inc. 180. 0:13:34.059 --> 0:13:37.329 For those who are new listening, tell us what is 0:13:37.330 --> 0:13:38.679 Inc 180? 0:13:38.860 --> 0:13:42.070 So Inc 180. We started in 2011. I've been a 0:13:42.070 --> 0:13:44.950 tattoo artist for 31 years, and when I found Christ 0:13:44.950 --> 0:13:47.200 at 38, I was really looking for a way to 0:13:47.230 --> 0:13:50.950 serve and just prayed. Prayed a lot about it. And 0:13:50.950 --> 0:13:52.809 the answer I got was go do what you love 0:13:52.809 --> 0:13:54.429 to do more than anything else, and do it for 0:13:54.429 --> 0:13:56.800 free to help people that are trying to change their lives. 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:59.200 And I was like, well, I love tattooing more than 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:01.540 anything else, but there's enough people that give me a 0:14:01.540 --> 0:14:03.520 hard time about that, and I don't really know that 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:06.459 that's doing God's work. But, uh. 0:14:06.550 --> 0:14:06.910 I. 0:14:06.910 --> 0:14:07.420 Kept praying. 0:14:07.420 --> 0:14:08.710 Testament passages at. 0:14:08.710 --> 0:14:09.520 You, man. Yeah. 0:14:09.820 --> 0:14:13.059 Amen. Yeah. All day, every day, brother. Yeah. But it's all. 0:14:13.090 --> 0:14:15.729 It's all good. I kept praying, and the Lord was like, hey, 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.040 I told you what to do and stop questioning me 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:20.739 and get to work. And we started in 180 to 0:14:20.770 --> 0:14:24.550 start removing gang tattoos in 2011 for free. And just 0:14:24.550 --> 0:14:26.890 trying to help people live as a new creation. Like 0:14:26.890 --> 0:14:30.190 Second Corinthians 517 says, you know the old is dead 0:14:30.190 --> 0:14:32.170 and the new has come. But it's pretty hard to 0:14:32.170 --> 0:14:34.210 live out that new life when you're wearing the evidence 0:14:34.210 --> 0:14:36.130 of your old life all over your face, neck and 0:14:36.130 --> 0:14:37.090 hands every day. 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:37.720 Yeah. 0:14:37.750 --> 0:14:40.690 Explain that a little bit more. This idea that there 0:14:40.690 --> 0:14:44.050 are physical markings that would identify you with a certain gang, 0:14:44.050 --> 0:14:46.960 or a lot of times in the world of trafficking, 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:50.840 there are tattoos that are used in a really destructive way. 0:14:50.870 --> 0:14:54.440 Explain that for people who that's that's brand new information 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:54.950 to them. 0:14:54.980 --> 0:14:57.350 Yeah. You know, so when when people are in gangs, 0:14:57.380 --> 0:15:00.170 they're proud of that. That's their whole identity. That's what 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:03.650 that's their family. And they're very proud to wear those 0:15:03.650 --> 0:15:08.180 markings of the gang, whatever it is, pitchforks or crowns, whatever. 0:15:08.210 --> 0:15:12.470 Different gangs have different symbols that they use to identify themselves. 0:15:12.470 --> 0:15:14.600 But of course, when they want out of that life, 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:16.580 it's the first thing they want to get rid of 0:15:16.610 --> 0:15:20.510 is those visible, in-your-face kind of markings, because they want 0:15:20.540 --> 0:15:23.540 to now get out of that life and fly under 0:15:23.540 --> 0:15:28.910 the radar. The trafficking stuff, really, it just disgusts me. 0:15:28.910 --> 0:15:32.150 I mean, when I learned about sex trafficking through a 0:15:32.150 --> 0:15:35.720 meeting I had with Homeland Security back in 2011, they 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:39.080 started showing me pictures of of these branding tattoos that 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:42.170 pimps and traffickers would put on their victims to symbolize 0:15:42.170 --> 0:15:46.190 them as a piece of product that could be bought, sold, traded, 0:15:46.190 --> 0:15:49.520 or thrown away at any, any given time we saw 0:15:49.550 --> 0:15:54.140 things like barcode tattoos or property of tattoos. Right? We 0:15:54.140 --> 0:15:55.670 see a lot of we see a lot of gang 0:15:55.700 --> 0:15:58.880 tattoos also forced onto them, because gangs, of course, are 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:02.330 very prevalent in the world of trafficking. So when they 0:16:02.330 --> 0:16:04.250 get out of that life, you know, a lot of 0:16:04.250 --> 0:16:07.340 people tell me they're like, well, what's the big deal there? 0:16:07.370 --> 0:16:09.830 Aren't they just happy to be out of that life? Well, 0:16:09.860 --> 0:16:12.859 of course they are. That's a silly question. But, you know, 0:16:12.890 --> 0:16:15.410 you don't want to walk around with these tattoos. They're 0:16:15.410 --> 0:16:22.220 often vulgar, disgusting words tattooed against their will onto their face, 0:16:22.220 --> 0:16:25.460 their neck, their hands. They're always in very prominent, very 0:16:25.460 --> 0:16:29.870 visible areas because those traffickers also want it known that, hey, 0:16:29.870 --> 0:16:32.900 this is my property. And, you know, for the second 0:16:32.900 --> 0:16:35.030 time in modern world history, I saw the art form 0:16:35.030 --> 0:16:37.910 that I love so much used in such a disgusting way. 0:16:38.090 --> 0:16:39.890 Of course, the other was the Holocaust. 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:44.330 Yeah. Chris Baker is our guest right now. Chris, I 0:16:45.110 --> 0:16:48.890 when you. Yeah, it was State Department or the feds 0:16:48.890 --> 0:16:50.900 basically got Ahold of you and said, hey, can you 0:16:50.930 --> 0:16:53.720 help us out here? Right? I mean, you ultimately had 0:16:53.750 --> 0:16:55.580 at least a stretch of time. I'm sure you get 0:16:55.580 --> 0:16:58.850 called out from time to time still. What was that 0:16:58.850 --> 0:17:01.880 like the first time you did? Is it a cover 0:17:01.910 --> 0:17:04.340 up or is it. Can you actually take that and 0:17:04.340 --> 0:17:08.179 artistically kind of totally rename. I mean, I'm curious how 0:17:08.180 --> 0:17:09.230 does that work? 0:17:09.260 --> 0:17:11.389 Yeah, a lot of times, you know, we offer free 0:17:11.390 --> 0:17:14.120 removals or free cover ups. So a cover up for 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:16.639 those that don't know, basically you're just putting a different 0:17:16.670 --> 0:17:19.970 tattoo over the old one to blend it out, to 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.310 disguise it so that it can't be seen anymore. And 0:17:22.310 --> 0:17:25.400 all you see is the new design. And quite often 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:27.800 that's what survivors want to do. They want to cover 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.409 it up because they do like tattoos. They just hate 0:17:30.410 --> 0:17:33.230 the one that they were forced to get. And, you know, 0:17:33.260 --> 0:17:34.940 I'll ask them, hey, what do you want to cover 0:17:34.940 --> 0:17:37.639 this with design wise? And they're like, you know, just 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:39.530 black it out, just put black ink over it. I 0:17:39.530 --> 0:17:41.960 just don't want to see it. And I'm like, well, 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:45.350 I want to give you something beautiful that gives you hope. Yeah, yeah, 0:17:45.350 --> 0:17:47.899 I've been doing this for a minute. So, you know, 0:17:47.930 --> 0:17:51.710 I always offer, I offer up ideas, things that symbolize 0:17:51.710 --> 0:17:57.680 transformation or hope or change. Things like butterflies or floral designs. 0:17:57.890 --> 0:18:02.930 Phoenix tattoos, Lotus blossoms are a very popular option because 0:18:02.930 --> 0:18:07.160 they're beautiful, vibrant flowers that grow out of mud and swamps. 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:10.790 So they symbolize something beautiful growing out of something not 0:18:10.790 --> 0:18:11.630 so beautiful. 0:18:11.660 --> 0:18:14.210 We've got Chris Baker with us right now, founder of 0:18:14.210 --> 0:18:18.590 ink 180, a phenomenal ministry that offers cover up tattoos 0:18:18.590 --> 0:18:21.350 and tattoo removal. This is a ministry. Give us a 0:18:21.350 --> 0:18:24.710 story that stands out in your mind. That's kind of like, 0:18:24.710 --> 0:18:26.990 this is why I continue to do this. 0:18:27.050 --> 0:18:30.230 Yeah, I was in the Super Bowl this year down 0:18:30.230 --> 0:18:34.159 in New Orleans, removing covering tattoos for survivors and helping 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:37.430 our federal, state and local law enforcement partners look for 0:18:37.430 --> 0:18:41.600 other victims. And, you know, we had a number of 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:44.330 of cover ups and removals. I did 212 of them 0:18:44.330 --> 0:18:45.470 this year at the Super Bowl. 0:18:45.470 --> 0:18:46.580 My goodness. 0:18:46.609 --> 0:18:51.169 Yeah. There was one young survivor that just really touched 0:18:51.170 --> 0:18:55.340 my heart. She was a 12 year old African-American girl. 0:18:55.340 --> 0:19:01.070 And on her lower back, her trafficker etched property of 0:19:01.070 --> 0:19:05.840 daddy into her skin. And I removed that tattoo for her. 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:09.379 But the beautiful part about that interaction with her and 0:19:09.380 --> 0:19:12.140 being able to help her with that was not really 0:19:12.140 --> 0:19:14.899 the tattoo itself or the tattoo removal. It was the 0:19:14.900 --> 0:19:19.040 conversation and holding space for these survivors and letting them 0:19:19.070 --> 0:19:23.120 talk if they choose to. Never really asking them questions. 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:26.990 But I had a beautiful conversation with her about just 0:19:26.990 --> 0:19:30.890 the the idea of this property of daddy, and we 0:19:30.890 --> 0:19:34.010 see that on a lot of these trafficking survivors, unfortunately. 0:19:34.010 --> 0:19:37.310 But we had a really great talk. She grew up 0:19:37.310 --> 0:19:40.550 in the church, uh, Southern Baptist Church with her, her 0:19:40.550 --> 0:19:44.030 mom and her grandma. And we were really starting to 0:19:44.060 --> 0:19:47.480 talk about what a father really is. And daddy, what 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:53.150 that represents and her foundation in Jesus. And that's the 0:19:53.150 --> 0:19:56.900 only father she needs to really look up to. And 0:19:57.020 --> 0:19:59.330 these others that try to tell them that's what they 0:19:59.330 --> 0:20:02.540 were and who she was and what she was were wrong, 0:20:02.540 --> 0:20:06.139 and that she's rooted in Jesus and he was going 0:20:06.170 --> 0:20:09.590 to restore her fully in this situation. So just to 0:20:09.619 --> 0:20:12.800 be able to to have those conversations and be present 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:15.470 for people, you know, I used to be a person 0:20:15.470 --> 0:20:20.150 that would very quickly hear part of somebody's problem and 0:20:20.150 --> 0:20:22.790 throw like four solutions at them. And what the Lord's 0:20:22.790 --> 0:20:26.120 taught me over the last 14 years is, you know, 0:20:26.150 --> 0:20:29.810 I'm not about the solutions. Jesus is about the solutions. 0:20:29.810 --> 0:20:34.400 And just having those kind of conversations with folks is 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:35.840 the best part of my job. 0:20:35.869 --> 0:20:40.550 Chris Baker, the numbers from the Super Bowl. Does that 0:20:40.550 --> 0:20:41.420 shock you, Ali? 0:20:41.450 --> 0:20:44.400 Very much so. How many did you say you did? 200? 0:20:44.430 --> 0:20:45.510 Over 200. 0:20:45.630 --> 0:20:48.780 I did 212 cover ups and removals. And then, um, 0:20:48.780 --> 0:20:51.240 as far as the search goes, we were able, as 0:20:51.270 --> 0:20:54.780 a huge group of people, we were able to find 0:20:54.780 --> 0:20:58.950 519 victims and turn them into survivors. 0:20:58.980 --> 0:21:02.220 You know, I think we hear stories like that. And 0:21:02.220 --> 0:21:04.949 I think the question is, what can we do? And 0:21:04.950 --> 0:21:06.000 we're going to have a link for you in a 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:08.760 little bit here. The Spirit of God convicted me that 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:11.939 we need to get Chris, who's a great communicator, as 0:21:11.940 --> 0:21:15.270 you can tell, into as many churches across the United 0:21:15.270 --> 0:21:20.580 States and youth ministries and collegiate ministries as possible, because 0:21:20.580 --> 0:21:25.470 there is an appetite nationally that is growing to address 0:21:25.470 --> 0:21:27.810 this need. There is a bit of an appetite growing, 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:30.270 isn't there, Chris? I mean, if you get the I mean, 0:21:30.300 --> 0:21:33.000 if you get the federal government and state and local 0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:37.230 governments asking you to pitch in, they see the need. 0:21:37.230 --> 0:21:39.929 They might not even know the spiritual component behind it, 0:21:39.930 --> 0:21:44.460 but they see the need to to remove this mark, right? 0:21:44.490 --> 0:21:47.700 Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I travel all across the country 0:21:47.700 --> 0:21:50.910 and beyond. I was in Kathmandu, Nepal last year, which 0:21:50.910 --> 0:21:54.389 was a tremendous blessing. But yeah, you know, the need 0:21:54.390 --> 0:21:58.470 is great, unfortunately. We're always trying to add other tattoo 0:21:58.470 --> 0:22:01.950 artists and tattoo removal companies across the country to set 0:22:01.980 --> 0:22:04.800 up a network. But, you know, I was just down 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:07.890 in Austin, Texas last week at South by Southwest, speaking 0:22:07.890 --> 0:22:10.409 about what we do. And you know, I love the 0:22:10.410 --> 0:22:14.100 educational side of of what we do because people can't 0:22:14.100 --> 0:22:17.400 help fix what they don't know about. And trafficking is 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:19.290 one of those things that the media has done a 0:22:19.290 --> 0:22:22.830 much better job over the last few years of educating folks, 0:22:22.830 --> 0:22:27.120 but I just feel anything I can do to educate 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:30.359 a parent or a child about things like social media 0:22:30.390 --> 0:22:34.350 safety or just trafficking in general will help keep them 0:22:34.350 --> 0:22:37.770 safe and out of my tattoo chair getting something removed. 0:22:38.220 --> 0:22:41.159 Yeah, this is one of those stories that you hear, Ali, 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:43.080 and I mean, it grabs you by the throat and 0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:44.580 it won't let you go. If you if you got 0:22:44.580 --> 0:22:47.670 a spiritual pulse at all and and but the hope 0:22:47.670 --> 0:22:51.300 in this is that Chris Baker. And that's cool that 0:22:51.300 --> 0:22:54.720 you're building a network of of tattoo artists that have 0:22:54.720 --> 0:22:58.080 the same heart as you, bro. That's unbelievable. So when 0:22:58.080 --> 0:22:59.760 you hear this, you're like, oh boy, what do we 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:03.090 do with this? I feel prompted by the spirit that 0:23:03.090 --> 0:23:08.159 we need to get Chris on your campus, at your church. 0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:10.139 And I don't care if you got a church of 0:23:10.140 --> 0:23:14.970 15,000 people. People need to hear this. And I don't 0:23:14.970 --> 0:23:17.250 care if you got a youth group of 40 kids. 0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:20.430 Kids need to hear this. And so we set up 0:23:20.430 --> 0:23:23.189 a link today that goes to his website. There's ways 0:23:23.190 --> 0:23:25.770 to donate on there too. So make no mistake about 0:23:25.770 --> 0:23:27.690 it because some of you are like, hey, come on man, 0:23:27.690 --> 0:23:29.430 we're going to give this guy some money for this. 0:23:29.430 --> 0:23:34.770 He's doing this for did you hear the price he's charging? Free. Free. 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:38.220 So come on man. You want to link to find 0:23:38.220 --> 0:23:41.520 out more about Inc One-eighty and Chris Baker? We got 0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:42.540 it for you right now. 0:23:42.540 --> 0:23:49.200 Just text ink to 800 555, 78, 98. Ink, ink 0:23:49.230 --> 0:23:54.359 to 800 555 7898. You can check out the website. 0:23:54.359 --> 0:23:56.429 There's some cool pictures. You can find out how to 0:23:56.460 --> 0:23:59.910 book him to speak, how to contribute to this great ministry. Inc. 0:23:59.940 --> 0:24:02.940 to 800 555 7898. 0:24:03.060 --> 0:24:07.140 He was running from God, but God's love brought him home. 0:24:07.140 --> 0:24:11.100 Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on 0:24:11.130 --> 0:24:12.450 Moody Radio. 0:24:12.570 --> 0:24:15.030 Good morning, I'm Jonathan and hey, let's get you updated 0:24:15.030 --> 0:24:17.430 with your top news story for the day. This story 0:24:17.430 --> 0:24:20.429 from Fox News. The cease fire between Israel and Hamas 0:24:20.460 --> 0:24:23.790 is over. As Israeli fighter jets began striking the Gaza 0:24:23.820 --> 0:24:28.530 Strip after Hamas refused repeated hostage deal extension offers. Officials 0:24:28.530 --> 0:24:32.609 have said. Defense Minister Israel Katz made a statement saying, quote, 0:24:32.640 --> 0:24:35.790 the decision comes after Hamas repeatedly refused to release our 0:24:35.790 --> 0:24:40.050 hostages and rejected all proposals presented by the US president's envoy, 0:24:40.050 --> 0:24:44.440 Steve Witkoff as well as the mediators. Israel will intensify 0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:48.609 its military actions against Hamas moving forward. Authorities have said. 0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:51.280 I'm Jonathan and that is your update. 0:24:51.430 --> 0:24:54.220 I saw this breaking news last night. It's it's not 0:24:54.220 --> 0:24:57.550 just in Gaza Strip against Hamas. I mean, there's been 0:24:57.550 --> 0:25:04.360 strikes in Lebanon and Syria and actually, uh, Iran dispatched 0:25:04.390 --> 0:25:07.000 a lot of their air force. They got a little jittery. 0:25:07.690 --> 0:25:10.510 I instantly thought, I got to get Michael Roy on here. 0:25:10.540 --> 0:25:13.300 Not only get an overview of what's going on right 0:25:13.300 --> 0:25:16.030 now with this attack and kind of where we stand, 0:25:16.060 --> 0:25:18.220 but also talk to some of the theological angles here, 0:25:18.220 --> 0:25:22.300 specifically just war. Uh, Michael, thanks for ducking in here 0:25:22.300 --> 0:25:24.700 this morning. So early. Appreciate you, brother. 0:25:24.730 --> 0:25:26.379 Good to be with you. Thanks. 0:25:26.410 --> 0:25:30.609 Okay. What what is going on? There's so much misinformation, 0:25:30.609 --> 0:25:33.219 quite frankly. Yeah. Um, what's what's going on? 0:25:33.250 --> 0:25:36.370 First of all, the cease fire is actually officially been 0:25:36.369 --> 0:25:40.109 over for about two and a half weeks. Uh, whatever 0:25:40.109 --> 0:25:44.550 March 1st is when it officially ended. The phase one 0:25:44.550 --> 0:25:49.379 of it. Uh, the there there have been repeated attempts 0:25:49.380 --> 0:25:53.490 to extend it by Steve Witkoff, our negotiator from the 0:25:53.490 --> 0:25:57.869 United States. Uh, Israel has been trying. They they've held 0:25:57.869 --> 0:26:01.859 quiet even though the cease fire has been over. Uh, 0:26:01.859 --> 0:26:05.490 they've been quiet at this point. Hamas, if they are 0:26:05.490 --> 0:26:08.580 just going to continue like Israel was continuing, continuing. Nine 0:26:08.580 --> 0:26:11.639 more hostages would have been released, but they have just 0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:16.050 been obstructing because the only reason they will release hostages 0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:18.629 is if Israel surrenders, which is never going to happen 0:26:18.630 --> 0:26:24.689 on this. So, uh, the United States president, President Trump, 0:26:24.690 --> 0:26:30.060 pretty much has said, uh, if if Hamas doesn't release hostages, 0:26:30.060 --> 0:26:33.360 then he said that there will be a very serious 0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:41.409 consequence for Hamas. And and this looks like it's begun now. Uh, the, uh, 0:26:41.410 --> 0:26:47.410 there there have been strikes. Israeli air force strikes in Gaza. 0:26:47.770 --> 0:26:51.280 A lot of the leaders of Hamas have been taken 0:26:51.310 --> 0:26:54.820 out or been eliminated. Yeah, yeah. Overnight. And then the 0:26:54.820 --> 0:27:00.790 attacks in Syria and and in Lebanon are like in Lebanon, 0:27:00.790 --> 0:27:07.510 they took out two Hezbollah terrorists that were, uh, practicing surveillance, uh, 0:27:07.510 --> 0:27:10.510 in southern Lebanon, which is against the cease fire that 0:27:10.510 --> 0:27:15.910 they have. They were taken out. Assad's military stores in 0:27:15.910 --> 0:27:19.659 southern Syria were taken out. And the reason Israel, I believe, 0:27:19.690 --> 0:27:22.480 did this, I am I don't have any special insight, 0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:26.710 but just looking at it in the past, Hezbollah and 0:27:26.710 --> 0:27:30.070 other countries have tried to get involved. So when Israel 0:27:30.070 --> 0:27:31.840 was going to start this up, I think there was 0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:35.470 a real clear message sent to Hezbollah and Lebanon and 0:27:35.470 --> 0:27:38.710 to the new regime in Syria, this Al-Qaeda leader that 0:27:38.710 --> 0:27:42.070 has become the president is don't get involved in what's 0:27:42.070 --> 0:27:42.670 going to happen. 0:27:42.700 --> 0:27:47.020 Abu Mohammed al-Qahtani Abu Mohammed al-Qahtani, who ironically, had a 0:27:47.020 --> 0:27:49.629 $10 million bounty on his head for his affairs with 0:27:49.630 --> 0:27:53.200 the al Qaeda. He's a he's a he's a bad dude. Um, 0:27:53.380 --> 0:27:55.900 I want to shift gears here a little bit, Michael. Uh, 0:27:55.900 --> 0:27:59.530 I got up early this morning and was studying just 0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:01.930 war theory, and I was curious who in the world 0:28:01.930 --> 0:28:05.590 invented this. It's actually Thomas Aquinas who had originated with 0:28:05.590 --> 0:28:08.679 13th century. And he has three stages of the of 0:28:08.680 --> 0:28:11.830 this legitimate authority. It can't just be individuals or groups. 0:28:11.830 --> 0:28:14.320 It's got to be a declared waged war by a 0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:18.430 proper authority, sovereign, ruler or government. Just cause a war 0:28:18.430 --> 0:28:21.790 must be waged for a morally right reason such as self-defense, 0:28:21.790 --> 0:28:24.700 the punishment of evil, or the protection of the innocent. 0:28:24.700 --> 0:28:27.429 And he has tons of biblical citations for these. And 0:28:27.430 --> 0:28:30.250 then the third one is right intention. I love that one. 0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:32.980 A primary objective of war should be to achieve justice 0:28:33.010 --> 0:28:35.560 and restore peace. You know, it's really weird. We live 0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:38.770 in this soundbite age today, Michael, that's so bizarre. It's 0:28:38.770 --> 0:28:43.150 like we don't want. And I understand this. This is 0:28:43.150 --> 0:28:45.640 the great dilemma. Because there are going to be innocent 0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:49.510 lives that are lost even when you're. But the attempt 0:28:49.510 --> 0:28:51.250 is to stave off. 0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:51.940 Yeah. 0:28:52.180 --> 0:28:55.390 A more intense massacre. Pour out your heart on just 0:28:55.420 --> 0:28:56.260 war theory. 0:28:56.290 --> 0:28:59.770 Well, I think that a simple thing to understand. People 0:28:59.770 --> 0:29:02.050 have a hard time with. War is always wrong. Know 0:29:02.050 --> 0:29:05.110 when you read Romans 13 four, which is talking about 0:29:05.110 --> 0:29:09.250 secular government. It's not talking about a theocracy, a government 0:29:09.250 --> 0:29:12.730 by God. This is secular government. And in Romans 13 0:29:12.730 --> 0:29:17.200 four Paul writes, for government is God's servant to you 0:29:17.230 --> 0:29:20.020 for good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, because 0:29:20.020 --> 0:29:22.930 it does not carry the sword for no reason. For 0:29:22.930 --> 0:29:26.740 government is God's servant and avenger that brings wrath on 0:29:26.740 --> 0:29:29.380 the one who does wrong. So twice in this passage 0:29:29.380 --> 0:29:32.830 it says that secular government is God's servant. God's going 0:29:32.830 --> 0:29:36.400 to use it. There's a responsibility that governments have to 0:29:36.460 --> 0:29:40.510 punish the wicked and protect the innocent. And that's right 0:29:40.510 --> 0:29:43.570 there in that verse. It's God's servant as an avenger 0:29:43.570 --> 0:29:46.210 that brings wrath on the one who does wrong. And 0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:49.270 it's been given the sword. It does not carry the 0:29:49.270 --> 0:29:51.850 sword for no reason. I think that's so important to 0:29:51.850 --> 0:29:55.570 remember that the sword in first century talking here about 0:29:55.570 --> 0:29:59.620 the Roman government, for example, that would be the assault 0:29:59.620 --> 0:30:03.610 weapon of the first century. The sword wasn't just anything 0:30:03.610 --> 0:30:05.620 that was like the M-16 of that day. 0:30:05.650 --> 0:30:07.330 And Peter carried one, by the way. 0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:11.050 Yeah. And so the point of that is, yes, it 0:30:11.050 --> 0:30:13.840 has to be for the right reason, against the right enemy, 0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:16.570 for the right purpose. Yeah. But it is something that 0:30:16.570 --> 0:30:20.950 God has ordained, and that's hard for a lot of 0:30:20.950 --> 0:30:25.390 Bible believers to accept. But, you know, in Ecclesiastes chapter three, 0:30:25.420 --> 0:30:28.690 there's a time for war and a time for peace, 0:30:29.110 --> 0:30:32.170 and there are reasons to go to war. Yeah, that's 0:30:32.170 --> 0:30:35.170 a wisdom principle. That's not just, you know, something that 0:30:35.170 --> 0:30:36.370 happened in the past. 0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:38.740 Doctor Michael Riedel, our guest. Right now, I'm going to 0:30:38.770 --> 0:30:41.230 ask you for a little bit of advice, Doctor Rydell. 0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:43.840 I hope that this is okay. I have a I 0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:46.300 have a high school student who goes to a public 0:30:46.300 --> 0:30:49.480 high school here in Chicago. And because of how a 0:30:49.480 --> 0:30:53.110 lot of the narrative of this conflict has played out, 0:30:53.350 --> 0:30:57.520 we've seen a rise in anti-Semitism. It's it creeps into 0:30:57.520 --> 0:31:01.270 a lot of different spaces. How would you advise young 0:31:01.270 --> 0:31:04.540 people who are trying to talk to their peers who 0:31:04.540 --> 0:31:08.980 are very anti-Israel? How would you advise young people and 0:31:08.980 --> 0:31:14.410 anyone who wants to navigate this, trying to explain why 0:31:14.410 --> 0:31:19.150 we stand with Israel in the face of growing opposition. 0:31:19.180 --> 0:31:20.620 Give me some advice. 0:31:20.650 --> 0:31:24.880 I'm not sure that I always have to convince my peers. 0:31:24.910 --> 0:31:28.420 You know, it's just like anything you have to kind 0:31:28.420 --> 0:31:31.870 of evaluate do. Do I need to change their mind 0:31:31.870 --> 0:31:34.000 or do I not? Are they open or are they closed? 0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:36.580 That's those are some of the issues. But if I'm 0:31:36.580 --> 0:31:40.840 asked why I stand with Israel, I would say that 0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:45.130 the media doesn't always present the facts as they are, 0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:49.000 particularly where young people are getting their facts. Not usually 0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:54.490 from school, but really from reels on on their phones. 0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:58.030 You know, they're watching little minute videos and that's not 0:31:58.060 --> 0:32:02.380 a trustworthy source. If you are looking at at Instagram, 0:32:02.380 --> 0:32:06.280 that's not where you're going to get your information. And 0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:08.740 to me, I think that's one of the most important 0:32:08.740 --> 0:32:12.220 things to say that there's I would say if there's 0:32:12.220 --> 0:32:15.730 no context of history, there's no listen, they they have 0:32:15.730 --> 0:32:18.910 forgotten October 7th. Yeah, I think that that's amazing. 0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:21.010 Michael, let me let me jump in here and say 0:32:21.010 --> 0:32:24.459 that here's what's wild. We live in such a soundbite culture, 0:32:24.460 --> 0:32:27.280 we can't even remember. Back to October 7th this morning, 0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:31.600 I spent 40 minutes reading the forensic report that has 0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:35.840 come out recently on the massacre on October 7th. Michael, 0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:37.880 I could not read every sentence. 0:32:37.910 --> 0:32:38.420 No you. 0:32:38.420 --> 0:32:39.020 Can't. I couldn't. 0:32:39.050 --> 0:32:44.330 Take it. It is so unbelievably evil. And yet we 0:32:44.330 --> 0:32:46.760 live in a world soundbite culture. Allie's right man. These 0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:49.220 kids are getting these reels, man. They're getting these clips. 0:32:49.220 --> 0:32:54.020 And it's like, okay, do we have the broader context here? 0:32:54.020 --> 0:32:57.980 And you know what's interesting, Michael? You just you really 0:32:57.980 --> 0:33:02.420 can't talk people into this because for some behind this 0:33:02.420 --> 0:33:07.400 thing there is a spiritual component. Right, Allie. I mean. 0:33:07.430 --> 0:33:07.730 Yeah. 0:33:07.760 --> 0:33:11.900 It's like it's like trying to convince people that we're 0:33:11.900 --> 0:33:15.020 made with intelligent design. Some people are going to that's 0:33:15.020 --> 0:33:18.980 a spiritual blindness issue. Isn't that in play here? Sometimes, Michael, 0:33:18.980 --> 0:33:19.580 let's get real. 0:33:19.610 --> 0:33:21.050 I do think I was listening. I was talking to 0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:23.930 a young person, a follower of Jesus loves the Lord, 0:33:23.930 --> 0:33:30.260 and he has been talking, like you say, to peers, Allie. 0:33:30.260 --> 0:33:34.940 And when I mentioned the massacre of October 7th. He 0:33:34.940 --> 0:33:40.580 basically repeated the Hamas propaganda that it was massacre, denial, 0:33:40.580 --> 0:33:43.610 that it didn't happen, that it that it was a 0:33:43.610 --> 0:33:47.210 false flag, that Israel did it to give them a reason, 0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:50.090 a justification for going to war with Hamas. 0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:52.250 You can't argue that. You can't argue that. 0:33:52.340 --> 0:33:55.220 That's that's that's denial of facts. But what are you 0:33:55.220 --> 0:33:55.730 going to do? 0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:56.120 What are you going to. 0:33:56.150 --> 0:33:57.860 I think we have to stick to the facts. By 0:33:57.860 --> 0:33:59.540 the way, there is a new movie. I haven't seen 0:33:59.540 --> 0:34:02.210 it yet. I'm planning to see it called October 8th. 0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:04.580 It only has seven minutes about the seventh and the 0:34:04.580 --> 0:34:07.430 rest of the movie. This documentary is about the explosion 0:34:07.460 --> 0:34:11.779 of anti-Semitism, and it just was released this past weekend 0:34:11.780 --> 0:34:14.299 and I'm going to go see it. I think we 0:34:14.300 --> 0:34:18.110 need to get facts like that into the minds of people. 0:34:18.140 --> 0:34:20.210 Hopefully this movie would do a good job with it. 0:34:20.239 --> 0:34:21.830 I'm going to go look. 0:34:21.950 --> 0:34:22.460 And. 0:34:22.460 --> 0:34:24.980 We pray. Um, we're going to do that. Michael, I 0:34:24.980 --> 0:34:27.140 want you to pray for peace in Israel right now. 0:34:27.170 --> 0:34:28.040 Would you do that? 0:34:28.070 --> 0:34:34.820 Yeah, sure. Father in heaven, we pray for peace Through deliverance. Lord, 0:34:34.820 --> 0:34:38.899 we ask that you would bring this terrorist group to 0:34:38.930 --> 0:34:41.240 its knees and bring them to a point where they 0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:44.930 would surrender, that they would give up the hostages, and 0:34:44.930 --> 0:34:48.950 they would see that this is a lost cause. Lord, 0:34:48.950 --> 0:34:54.080 I pray for the protection of the innocent Palestinians who 0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:58.130 just want Hamas to go away. Lord, I pray that 0:34:58.130 --> 0:35:01.430 that you would, uh, keep them safe. I pray God 0:35:01.430 --> 0:35:06.530 you'd give great skill to the IDF as they target Hamas. 0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:11.900 That they would be able to avoid civilians. And, Lord, also, 0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:14.810 I pray for Israel now that you would give wisdom 0:35:14.810 --> 0:35:18.140 to their leaders as they they are compelled to carry 0:35:18.140 --> 0:35:21.259 out this just war. Lord, I pray for our culture 0:35:21.260 --> 0:35:25.819 and our young people that they wouldn't succumb to the falsehoods, 0:35:25.850 --> 0:35:29.090 TikTok and Instagram and things like that, but would really 0:35:29.090 --> 0:35:30.469 know the truth of your word. 0:35:30.530 --> 0:35:30.800 And. 0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:33.110 The truth of the facts in the world, and I 0:35:33.110 --> 0:35:35.810 pray this in Jesus name. Amen. 0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:36.680 Amen. 0:35:36.770 --> 0:35:39.469 Michael, I love you, hot dog. You're a good man. 0:35:39.469 --> 0:35:41.180 And thank you for popping in here this morning. 0:35:41.210 --> 0:35:41.360 Yeah. 0:35:41.390 --> 0:35:43.040 My pleasure. Thanks for having me with you. 0:35:43.070 --> 0:35:43.520 Yeah. 0:35:43.550 --> 0:35:44.540 Tough stuff. Ali. 0:35:44.570 --> 0:35:45.290 It is. 0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:48.229 Tough stuff. Good question. You asked, by the way. I mean, 0:35:48.260 --> 0:35:52.640 it's just like. It's just amazing, man. It's what's crazy 0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:57.320 about our. The way we process information now is October. 0:35:57.320 --> 0:36:01.370 Might as well be in a Holocaust time period. It's. 0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:02.239 You know what I'm saying? 0:36:02.270 --> 0:36:02.719 Yeah. 0:36:02.750 --> 0:36:08.660 October 7th. Might as well be 40 years ago. It's 0:36:08.660 --> 0:36:12.110 a spiritual battle, man. And we pray. Okay. Coming up 0:36:12.110 --> 0:36:13.640 here in a few minutes. I'll tell you what's up 0:36:13.640 --> 0:36:15.710 here today. Bottom line, guys, is our God is on 0:36:15.710 --> 0:36:19.790 the throne. The tomb is empty. Jesus is alive today. 0:36:20.270 --> 0:36:25.190 She's a choreographer extraordinaire, and everything is Greek to her. 0:36:25.219 --> 0:36:29.180 Super dei is in the crew. It's Carl and crew 0:36:29.210 --> 0:36:30.620 on Moody Radio. 0:36:30.650 --> 0:36:33.469 I don't know how. 0:36:33.469 --> 0:36:36.500 You quantify spiritual growth. What are the ways we quantify 0:36:36.530 --> 0:36:39.380 spiritual growth? That's a good question. There's a lot of 0:36:39.380 --> 0:36:41.779 good ones. I mean, there's a lot of ways I 0:36:41.780 --> 0:36:47.480 mean good fruit being born. But what's your favorite fruit, Allie. 0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:48.709 Spiritual fruit. 0:36:48.739 --> 0:36:53.390 Spiritual fruit. Are we talking the grape watermelon variety? 0:36:53.420 --> 0:36:53.570 Yeah. 0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:56.930 Let's go. What's. What's your favorite fruit? I'm going to go. 0:36:56.960 --> 0:37:00.650 I'll start so that you get time to cogitate. Mine 0:37:00.650 --> 0:37:05.270 is self-control. The last fruit listed in Galatians five. It's 0:37:05.270 --> 0:37:07.160 a great fave. It's my fave. 0:37:07.190 --> 0:37:08.630 I'm going with peace. 0:37:08.660 --> 0:37:10.910 Peace. Good one. 0:37:11.450 --> 0:37:13.040 I'd say patience. 0:37:14.780 --> 0:37:17.060 Good one. Especially when working with me. 0:37:17.570 --> 0:37:18.830 It's going to say not. 0:37:18.860 --> 0:37:20.120 Hey. No. What do you mean you were going to 0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:20.930 say no? 0:37:20.930 --> 0:37:23.960 Not that specifically, but it is just in general. One 0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:26.000 of the ones that I feel like I need the most. 0:37:27.230 --> 0:37:28.280 Super die. 0:37:28.310 --> 0:37:31.130 They're all so good. Kindness. because I think there's such 0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:35.870 a lack of it today. It's just true. Pure kindness. 0:37:35.900 --> 0:37:37.640 I thought you were going to say bear hugs. 0:37:37.910 --> 0:37:40.850 Well, it's in there. 0:37:41.780 --> 0:37:46.340 Coming up, what does Dallas Willard say? The ultimate evidence. 0:37:46.340 --> 0:37:46.969 Hang on. 0:37:47.030 --> 0:37:50.300 He's a sports fanatic with a stat for anything you 0:37:50.300 --> 0:37:54.560 can think of. Young Thunder is in the crew. It's 0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:56.989 Karl and crew on Moody Radio. 0:37:57.020 --> 0:38:00.950 So, what is it? The evidence of being a disciple. 0:38:00.950 --> 0:38:03.110 There's a lot of them. I mean, it's not just one, 0:38:03.110 --> 0:38:05.060 but when a guy like Dallas Willard, who's kind of 0:38:05.090 --> 0:38:08.030 like the modern day father of spiritual formation, helping get 0:38:08.030 --> 0:38:10.370 our lives aligned with Christ, I just love this guy. 0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:14.420 My goodness. Divine conspiracy. If you if you want a 0:38:14.420 --> 0:38:18.320 thick book that will change your heart with regard to 0:38:18.350 --> 0:38:23.239 spiritual formation. Divine Conspiracy by Dallas Willard. But I saw 0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:29.730 one of these crazy short thingies and on social media 0:38:29.730 --> 0:38:32.730 and it popped up and I'm like, oh my goodness, 0:38:32.730 --> 0:38:35.640 how come I never heard that one before? He's being 0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:40.170 interviewed or something. And somebody asked him the question, Dallas, 0:38:40.770 --> 0:38:43.650 how do you know when you're really biting on the 0:38:43.650 --> 0:38:47.160 edges of real discipleship? He says, well, that would be 0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:49.650 when you let me try to do a Dallas Willard. 0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:53.130 That would be when you. That's a bad Dallas Willard. 0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:55.799 Um, tell us. 0:38:55.830 --> 0:39:00.570 That would be, uh, coming up in 90s. I'll tell 0:39:00.570 --> 0:39:01.080 you about. 0:39:01.230 --> 0:39:01.740 Uh, get. 0:39:01.739 --> 0:39:06.569 There. Dallas Willard said it's when you are unoffendable. 0:39:07.170 --> 0:39:07.710 Wow. 0:39:07.739 --> 0:39:12.060 And I'm like, yeah, I did what you did. I'm like, oh, boy, 0:39:12.060 --> 0:39:19.050 that is so convicting. And I want you to think 0:39:19.050 --> 0:39:24.060 about that for a moment. Unoffendable. And then I started 0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:26.160 because I'm like, I want to test this with the 0:39:26.160 --> 0:39:33.480 word Jesus. Was that this guy was maligned, mocked, beaten, crucified, 0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:36.930 and abandoned by all of his disciples except for a 0:39:36.930 --> 0:39:40.049 few brave women. You know what I'm saying? 0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:40.770 Yes. 0:39:42.180 --> 0:39:47.759 And he was unoffendable. Oh, oh, somebody else's opinion or 0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:51.120 the way they say something or this and that and 0:39:51.150 --> 0:39:54.690 or a position they take. And if we can get 0:39:54.690 --> 0:39:59.610 to the point of being unoffendable what a rich life 0:39:59.610 --> 0:40:03.359 we're going to live. And by the way, it just 0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:05.550 makes things a whole lot sweeter. 0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:08.820 But we know it doesn't happen apart from the power 0:40:08.820 --> 0:40:09.870 of the Holy Spirit. 0:40:09.900 --> 0:40:10.440 Oh, no. 0:40:10.469 --> 0:40:13.440 This is because, oh boy, offense comes easily. 0:40:13.469 --> 0:40:17.460 Oh, yeah. This is spirit driven. This is this is vertical, 0:40:17.460 --> 0:40:26.460 constant awareness of God's presence in my life. Oh, cogitate 0:40:26.489 --> 0:40:28.710 on that one for a couple of days. Boom! Crew.