WEBVTT - Hour 2: Let's Study the Scriptures 0:00:10.940 --> 0:00:14.300 Hello friends. It's time for the second hour of Open 0:00:14.300 --> 0:00:18.020 Line with Doctor Michael Redlich. That's me. It's Moody Radio's 0:00:18.020 --> 0:00:22.700 Bible study across America. We're talking about your questions about 0:00:22.700 --> 0:00:27.260 the Bible, God and the spiritual life. I'm my. As 0:00:27.260 --> 0:00:29.870 I said, my name is Michael Melnick. I'm the academic dean, 0:00:29.870 --> 0:00:33.620 and I'm also a professor of Jewish studies and Bible 0:00:33.620 --> 0:00:38.059 at Moody Bible Institute. We're live sitting around the radio 0:00:38.060 --> 0:00:41.120 kitchen table today taking your questions. So now's the time 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:43.339 to give me a call. Always best at the beginning 0:00:43.370 --> 0:00:45.470 of the hour. Uh, it's the best way to get 0:00:45.470 --> 0:00:59.000 through the phone number here. (877) 548-3675. That's (877) 548-3675. And remember, 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.460 if you can't call, you can always go to our 0:01:01.460 --> 0:01:06.110 website openline radio.org and click on the link that says 0:01:06.140 --> 0:01:09.020 Ask Michael a question. You can post your question there. 0:01:09.050 --> 0:01:11.450 Trish will put it in the mailbag for upcoming weeks. 0:01:11.450 --> 0:01:13.640 I hope you have your Bibles open and a second 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:16.550 cup of coffee, because we're going to talk about the scriptures. 0:01:16.550 --> 0:01:19.130 So you need your Bible right there. And I think 0:01:19.130 --> 0:01:20.810 we need the coffee to keep going. There's a couple 0:01:20.810 --> 0:01:23.959 of things I do want to mention. Uh, first of all, 0:01:24.110 --> 0:01:28.970 our current resource, which is a book called The Story 0:01:28.970 --> 0:01:31.640 of the Bible. It's written by a friend of mine, 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:37.429 Carl Laney, and I. I actually picked this book up myself. Uh, 0:01:37.430 --> 0:01:40.399 I saw that he had published it, and I liked 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:43.460 it so much that I thought, well, I like the title, 0:01:43.459 --> 0:01:47.089 and I get questions about this so often that I 0:01:47.090 --> 0:01:49.340 bought a copy myself, and then I liked it so much, 0:01:49.340 --> 0:01:52.040 I said, let's use this as a resource. The reason 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.670 is people wonder all the time, how did those ancient 0:01:55.670 --> 0:01:59.150 manuscripts become the book that we're supposed to read every day. Uh, 0:01:59.150 --> 0:02:03.740 how did it go from divine inspiration to canonicity? How 0:02:03.740 --> 0:02:05.720 did the books get put in the Bible to the 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:08.570 transmission and copying of the books all the way to 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:13.400 modern translations? And since people always ask about this, I thought, 0:02:13.430 --> 0:02:17.209 what a great resource. How God worked through human authors, 0:02:17.210 --> 0:02:21.620 how he used scribes, how he used translators. This book 0:02:21.620 --> 0:02:26.030 will give you great confidence in the Bible, in its reliability, 0:02:26.030 --> 0:02:29.780 and why we should constantly be reading it and transformed 0:02:29.780 --> 0:02:32.270 by it. If you'd like a copy of the story 0:02:32.270 --> 0:02:34.700 of the Bible, it's yours. When you give a gift 0:02:34.700 --> 0:02:37.610 of any size to open line, just go to our website, 0:02:37.610 --> 0:02:48.050 Open Line radio.org or call (888) 644-7122. And also, uh, some 0:02:48.050 --> 0:02:50.660 people have been asking me about a Bible study, uh, 0:02:50.660 --> 0:02:54.980 thing that I'm doing next year in December, a Caribbean cruise. Uh, 0:02:54.980 --> 0:02:57.280 if you're interested in, in joining me for a Bible 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:00.010 study on a cruise ship on a tall ship in 0:03:00.010 --> 0:03:04.120 the Caribbean. Just go to my website Michael Wright. Org. 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:06.430 There's a link there with a picture of a cruise ship. 0:03:06.430 --> 0:03:09.190 Click on that. You can learn more about that. Now 0:03:09.190 --> 0:03:13.510 we're going to go to the phones and talk with uh, 0:03:13.510 --> 0:03:18.730 Bob in Chicago, Illinois listening on Wmbi. Welcome to Open Line. Bob. 0:03:18.730 --> 0:03:19.840 How can I help you? 0:03:20.050 --> 0:03:23.920 Yes. God's blessings. Uh, Michael, uh, listen, I'm working with 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:28.480 a young man who's, uh, who's approached me. Uh, he's 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:32.889 he's a student over at Moody. Okay. And, uh, you 0:03:32.889 --> 0:03:37.060 and I studied under you. Okay. Messianic. Uh, okay. And 0:03:37.420 --> 0:03:39.940 it was in messianic ministry. Still am. 0:03:40.060 --> 0:03:40.360 Huh? 0:03:40.570 --> 0:03:44.230 Uh, but but he but he's he's the issues. I'm 0:03:44.230 --> 0:03:48.340 looking for clarification. Uh, because we hear so much, uh, 0:03:48.670 --> 0:03:52.540 it's to the Jews first. And yet Jesus says he 0:03:52.540 --> 0:03:59.250 will not return Until the Great Commission is fulfilled, and 0:03:59.250 --> 0:04:01.620 I need clarification on that point. 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:06.089 Well, I'm not sure. I'm not sure what your question 0:04:06.090 --> 0:04:08.460 is that. Should we not go to Jewish people with 0:04:08.460 --> 0:04:09.540 the gospel? 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:13.830 No, no, it's not that. It's it's the reason the 0:04:13.830 --> 0:04:19.410 Jews were the ones that were to initially carry the message. Yeah, okay. 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:23.670 That's to the Jews first. But to reach the Gentiles, 0:04:23.670 --> 0:04:28.050 the Gentiles who have become believers in the, in the, 0:04:28.380 --> 0:04:35.730 in the King of the Jews has to be fulfilled. Uh, ultimately, 0:04:35.730 --> 0:04:37.230 before Jesus returns. 0:04:37.260 --> 0:04:40.080 Well, listen, the gospel needs to be proclaimed throughout the 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:43.830 earth in Matthew 24. That's during the tribulation period. Not now. 0:04:43.830 --> 0:04:47.640 The rapture can happen at any time. Uh, but it's 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:50.909 really important to know that God always treats the gospel 0:04:50.910 --> 0:04:55.450 message in Romans 116 as to the Jewish people pre-eminently 0:04:55.450 --> 0:04:58.240 not historically that it went to the Jews first, and 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:01.479 now it's not to the Gentiles. But when it says 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:05.050 in the Great Commission to make disciples of the nations, 0:05:05.050 --> 0:05:09.610 what nation is included in there? The Jewish people. Paul 0:05:09.610 --> 0:05:13.210 means in Romans 116 that the gospel has primary relevance 0:05:13.210 --> 0:05:16.420 to the Jewish people, but it's for all nations. And 0:05:16.450 --> 0:05:19.210 I think even even in the book of acts, when 0:05:19.210 --> 0:05:24.940 you see it going from Jerusalem to Judea to Samaria, 0:05:24.940 --> 0:05:29.409 and then finally to the Gentile world, you have acts 12, 0:05:29.410 --> 0:05:32.110 which is the end of the gospel to the Jewish world. 0:05:32.110 --> 0:05:34.000 And then it's going to in acts 13, you have 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:37.750 the missionary journeys pick up Richard Longnecker. I pulled this 0:05:37.750 --> 0:05:42.490 up right from my computer. He's got a great quote, uh, 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:47.260 about the purpose of acts 12. He says, before Luke 0:05:47.290 --> 0:05:50.020 turns to his portrayal of the Christian message to the 0:05:50.020 --> 0:05:53.640 Gentile world. He takes the opportunity of presenting two further 0:05:53.670 --> 0:05:57.390 glimpse glimpses of God's working on behalf of the believers 0:05:57.390 --> 0:06:01.350 in Jerusalem. Luke seems desirous of making the point that 0:06:01.350 --> 0:06:03.720 though he is about to portray the advances of the 0:06:03.750 --> 0:06:07.260 gospel within the Gentile Gentile world, it should not be 0:06:07.260 --> 0:06:11.040 assumed that God was finished with Jerusalem, or that his 0:06:11.070 --> 0:06:14.580 activity in the Jewish world was finished. Divine activity on 0:06:14.580 --> 0:06:18.390 behalf of the Gentiles does not mean divine inactivity on 0:06:18.390 --> 0:06:23.010 behalf of the Jewish world, or unconcerned for Jews. This 0:06:23.010 --> 0:06:27.150 is a heresy that has often afflicted, afflicted Gentile Christians 0:06:27.150 --> 0:06:30.900 and resulted in horrendous calamities. Do you hear what he 0:06:30.900 --> 0:06:33.659 is saying? That just because the gospel is now going 0:06:33.660 --> 0:06:36.690 to spread to the Gentile world, doesn't mean that God 0:06:36.690 --> 0:06:39.450 isn't working in the Jewish world? And so if someone's 0:06:39.450 --> 0:06:45.360 going to go, uh, uh, reach the Jewish people, that's 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:48.180 something that God is working in. He still it still 0:06:48.180 --> 0:06:51.530 has primary relevance for Jewish people. And by the way, 0:06:51.529 --> 0:06:53.479 one of the things that happens whenever you go reach 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:57.679 Jewish people, everyone gets reached. What I found is if 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:00.440 people go to the Gentile world, they're not usually looking 0:07:00.470 --> 0:07:02.930 to reach Jews. But when you go to reach Jews, 0:07:03.380 --> 0:07:05.780 the result is there are so many Gentiles wherever you 0:07:05.779 --> 0:07:09.800 go that you're still going to be reaching Gentiles. So 0:07:10.550 --> 0:07:13.010 does that does that answer your question? I hope, Bob. 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:18.560 It wasn't a question. I'm in Jewish ministry. I understand that, 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:22.010 but he's confused. He's confused about whether or not he 0:07:22.130 --> 0:07:25.700 needs to move to Israel to set up a church 0:07:25.700 --> 0:07:30.200 in Israel, as opposed to possibly going out and preaching 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:31.760 the word elsewhere. 0:07:31.910 --> 0:07:32.930 Well, okay. 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.420 You don't have to go to Israel to reach Jewish people. 0:07:35.450 --> 0:07:36.260 The Jewish. 0:07:36.260 --> 0:07:36.620 People. 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:37.190 Are. 0:07:37.220 --> 0:07:38.780 No, no, no, ah, ah. The. 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:42.200 The, the Jewish people are the unreached people right in 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:45.500 our very midst. So hopefully he will if God's calling 0:07:45.500 --> 0:07:48.530 him to Jewish ministry, wherever he goes, he'll go out 0:07:48.530 --> 0:07:52.890 and reach Jewish people with the gospel. Appreciate your call. Bob, uh, 0:07:52.890 --> 0:07:56.070 we're going to talk to James in Webster, Florida, listening 0:07:56.070 --> 0:07:59.700 to Wcqs. Welcome to Open Line, James. How can I 0:07:59.730 --> 0:08:00.570 help you today? 0:08:01.830 --> 0:08:06.780 Yes, sir. I just wanted to ask, uh, it says to, uh, 0:08:06.930 --> 0:08:11.880 leave behind all your worldly possessions to follow him. And 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:15.510 he tells the man to sell all of his stuff 0:08:15.510 --> 0:08:19.050 and follow him. But then everywhere you see that, it 0:08:19.050 --> 0:08:22.800 says to, uh, when you get to heaven, that you'll 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.020 walk on streets of gold and live in mansions. And 0:08:25.020 --> 0:08:29.640 I was just wondering why. Why is it to give 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:33.240 up everything down here? So when we get to heaven, 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:35.520 we can have it there. 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:36.690 Well. 0:08:37.260 --> 0:08:40.770 Is this a genuine question, James? I, I just need 0:08:40.770 --> 0:08:42.540 to know. Are you. Are you really thinking you have 0:08:42.540 --> 0:08:44.790 to give up all your worldly possessions? 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:49.370 No, sir, I'm not meaning about it like that, but 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:52.699 I mean, he he tells the man. 0:08:52.820 --> 0:08:55.849 I understand what you're. I understand the verses. I'm just asking. What? 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:58.880 What is your real question here? James? What are you 0:08:58.910 --> 0:09:00.050 concerned about? 0:09:01.730 --> 0:09:02.120 Uh. 0:09:02.809 --> 0:09:05.690 What if if I make it to heaven? What if 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:07.250 when I get to heaven, I don't want to walk 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.489 on streets of gold. And, uh. I don't want to 0:09:10.490 --> 0:09:12.230 live in a mansion. I want to live in a 0:09:12.230 --> 0:09:15.979 little cabin and have fields of green grass. I mean. 0:09:16.100 --> 0:09:17.330 Okay, I don't. Well. 0:09:17.660 --> 0:09:22.430 Okay. Now, now, let me clarify what the scriptures actually say. Uh, 0:09:22.429 --> 0:09:26.600 the the rich young ruler, he he was told to 0:09:26.630 --> 0:09:29.719 sell all his possessions because his possessions meant more to 0:09:29.750 --> 0:09:33.500 him than anything else. And and the Lord Jesus knew 0:09:33.530 --> 0:09:35.870 what was in humanity. And that's why he told him that. 0:09:35.870 --> 0:09:39.590 It's not like he tells that to everyone. Uh, and 0:09:39.590 --> 0:09:44.720 then further the streets of gold in heaven. That's metaphorical. 0:09:45.620 --> 0:09:52.420 And and not, uh, not necessarily, uh, something to be 0:09:52.420 --> 0:09:56.710 taken literally. And in John 14, when the Lord Jesus says, uh, 0:09:56.710 --> 0:10:01.989 in my father's house there are many mansions. Uh, let's 0:10:02.020 --> 0:10:05.350 be honest that the literal translation, that's King James Version, 0:10:05.350 --> 0:10:08.230 but the literal translation is in my father's house there 0:10:08.230 --> 0:10:11.890 are many apartments or places to live. So it's not 0:10:11.890 --> 0:10:17.890 talking about mansions, necessarily, James. It's just talking about this. 0:10:17.890 --> 0:10:20.980 And what is most important is not how you're going 0:10:20.980 --> 0:10:24.310 to live, whether the streets are paved with gold or 0:10:24.309 --> 0:10:28.240 whether we get a mansion or an apartment. What I 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:33.099 think is really the issue here is what what we 0:10:33.100 --> 0:10:40.990 know from, uh, the, uh, Elliott, uh, Jim Elliott, who said, uh, 0:10:40.990 --> 0:10:43.569 he is no fool who gives up what he cannot 0:10:43.570 --> 0:10:48.080 keep to gain that which he cannot lose. We sometimes 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:52.790 give up our everything about our lives so that we can, 0:10:52.790 --> 0:10:57.470 because that's what what knowing him and following him may entail. 0:10:57.500 --> 0:11:02.210 But we gain something by following Jesus that we cannot lose. 0:11:02.210 --> 0:11:06.200 And that's an eternal relationship with God. And and that's 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:09.229 what it's not talking about streets of gold. That's a metaphor. 0:11:09.230 --> 0:11:12.410 It's not talking about many mansions. It's talking about having 0:11:12.410 --> 0:11:16.220 an eternal walk and relationship with God that will never 0:11:16.220 --> 0:11:19.340 fail us, that will never be taken away from us. 0:11:19.340 --> 0:11:22.610 And that's what our goal should be, not worrying about 0:11:22.610 --> 0:11:25.040 how we're going to live or where we're going to walk, 0:11:25.070 --> 0:11:28.250 it's that we're going to be with the Lord forever. Uh, 0:11:28.250 --> 0:11:32.300 and if you're listening and you're thinking, oh, the the 0:11:32.300 --> 0:11:36.740 faith is just pie in the sky, it's not. It's 0:11:36.740 --> 0:11:42.110 Jesus promised us an abundant life now, an eternal life 0:11:42.110 --> 0:11:45.400 with him forever. All our sins will be forgiven, will 0:11:45.429 --> 0:11:48.819 be with him forever. I hope. If you're listening and 0:11:48.820 --> 0:11:52.540 you would like to experience a forever relationship with God, 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:55.270 all you have to do is trust that Jesus died 0:11:55.270 --> 0:11:58.420 for you, taking the punishment for your sin and that 0:11:58.420 --> 0:12:01.480 he was raised again, proving he's God and now he's 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:05.230 got the power to to live through you by His 0:12:05.230 --> 0:12:08.440 Holy Spirit. Uh, I hope you'll put your trust in 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:10.569 the fact that Jesus died for your sins and rose 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:16.150 again and experienced that forever relationship with God. Uh, you 0:12:16.150 --> 0:12:19.059 don't have to wait. You can trust in him right now. 0:12:19.059 --> 0:12:23.020 Just tell him by faith. Just tell him I believe 0:12:23.020 --> 0:12:25.270 that you died. The Lord Jesus died for me and 0:12:25.270 --> 0:12:29.380 rose again. And I'm accepting that in my life right now. 0:12:29.380 --> 0:12:31.480 That's all you have to do. Just tell him, uh, 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:35.710 and and then you'll have that forever relationship with God. 0:12:35.710 --> 0:12:39.250 We're going to take a break right here. Give you 0:12:39.250 --> 0:12:42.010 a chance to respond to that. Let me know. Give 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:44.730 me a call If you've put your trust in Jesus 0:12:44.730 --> 0:12:47.970 for the very first time right now by listening and 0:12:47.970 --> 0:12:51.960 hearing that and responding to that. Uh, this is open 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:53.580 line with Michael Ray. Dominic. We're going to be back 0:12:53.580 --> 0:12:55.860 with more of your Bible questions in just a moment, 0:12:55.860 --> 0:13:14.370 so don't go away. Uh, we'll be right back. Welcome 0:13:14.370 --> 0:13:17.670 back to Open Line. So glad to be with you. Hey, 0:13:17.670 --> 0:13:20.550 I've been talking to a bunch of young people, uh, 0:13:20.550 --> 0:13:24.300 speaking in different schools of late. One of the things 0:13:24.300 --> 0:13:26.550 that I was struck by is what a great school, 0:13:26.550 --> 0:13:30.210 Moody Bible Institute, is for young people as they finish 0:13:30.210 --> 0:13:32.940 high school, people think, well, I need to get a job. 0:13:32.940 --> 0:13:36.540 And so I have to major in something that will listen. 0:13:36.660 --> 0:13:40.740 The most important foundation you can get for life is 0:13:40.740 --> 0:13:43.240 understanding how to grow your walk with God, how to 0:13:43.270 --> 0:13:46.540 understand His Word, how to serve him no matter what 0:13:46.570 --> 0:13:49.660 job you're in. And so I really want to encourage 0:13:49.660 --> 0:13:51.820 you no matter where you're going. We're all called to 0:13:51.850 --> 0:13:55.959 serve the king. And if you're interested in and no 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.660 matter what it is that you're going to do, you're 0:13:58.660 --> 0:14:01.930 going to be serving him. That's our first priority. Get 0:14:01.929 --> 0:14:04.329 the foundation that you need to do that. The best 0:14:04.330 --> 0:14:07.660 way to do that is by checking out Moody Bible Institute. 0:14:07.690 --> 0:14:09.969 Now you think I'm too old to go to school, 0:14:09.970 --> 0:14:14.620 but you have children, grandchildren really encourage them to check 0:14:14.650 --> 0:14:17.949 out if they know the Lord and want to serve him. Uh, 0:14:17.950 --> 0:14:21.130 check out, uh, no matter where they're going to get 0:14:21.130 --> 0:14:24.010 their job, no matter how they get their paycheck, Moody's 0:14:24.010 --> 0:14:26.320 the best place to learn how to serve the Lord. 0:14:26.350 --> 0:14:29.650 The Lord in anywhere they go. Check out Moody, Dot, 0:14:29.650 --> 0:14:32.380 Edu and maybe even come visit the school. I really 0:14:32.380 --> 0:14:35.890 want to encourage people to check that out. Uh, and 0:14:35.890 --> 0:14:38.710 we're going to talk now to Doug in Akron, Ohio, 0:14:38.740 --> 0:14:42.900 listening on Wtxf. Welcome to Open Line, Doug. How can 0:14:42.900 --> 0:14:43.800 I help you today? 0:14:45.060 --> 0:14:47.880 Well, my question is, I've heard in the past that 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:51.540 the Holy Spirit will convict you of sin. And I 0:14:51.540 --> 0:14:55.590 wondered if there's any scriptural proof or evidence that it 0:14:55.590 --> 0:14:57.359 says that that is one of the functions of the 0:14:57.360 --> 0:14:58.260 Holy Spirit. 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.410 Do you ever feel convicted of sin? 0:15:03.210 --> 0:15:05.820 Yes. Yeah. And I yeah. My question is, is that 0:15:05.820 --> 0:15:07.739 my conscience or. 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:09.030 Yeah. 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:13.290 Well, I think it's both, actually. Uh, the Holy Spirit 0:15:13.290 --> 0:15:18.660 is what our conscience will convict us of sin. But, uh, 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:23.700 generally it doesn't help us if we just feel guilty. 0:15:23.730 --> 0:15:28.530 The benefit of the Holy Spirit's ministry is that he 0:15:28.530 --> 0:15:30.900 convicts us of sin. So that we put our trust 0:15:30.900 --> 0:15:33.360 in Jesus. This is not talking about a believer. In 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:37.470 John 16 it says, uh, this is what the Lord 0:15:37.470 --> 0:15:43.970 Jesus says, uh, in John 16 seven. Uh, it's for 0:15:43.970 --> 0:15:46.520 your benefit that I go away. He's talking about the 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:50.150 ascension there. Because if I don't go away, the counselor 0:15:50.150 --> 0:15:52.640 will not come to you. If I go, I will 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:55.850 send him to you. So it's talking about the Holy Spirit. 0:15:56.120 --> 0:16:00.680 He says when he comes, he will convict the world. 0:16:00.710 --> 0:16:02.840 It's not talking about believers here. It's talking about the 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:09.530 world about sin, righteousness, and judgment, about sin, because they 0:16:09.530 --> 0:16:12.080 don't believe in me. Now think about this. He'll convict 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:15.590 you of sin. Uh, maybe it's the great sin of 0:16:15.590 --> 0:16:18.410 not believing in him. Or maybe because you don't, you'll 0:16:18.410 --> 0:16:23.000 feel convicted of sin by the Holy Spirit. Because. Not forgiven. 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:29.480 And then about, uh, righteousness. Because I'm going to the father. 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:33.170 He will convict people about the righteousness that is needed 0:16:33.170 --> 0:16:35.990 to stand before God. And no one else has it 0:16:35.990 --> 0:16:38.850 but the Lord Jesus. He can go stand before the father. 0:16:38.850 --> 0:16:42.330 And so it's sort of a sense of he'll convict 0:16:42.330 --> 0:16:46.800 them of their lack of righteousness that Jesus alone has. 0:16:46.830 --> 0:16:54.390 And then, uh, and then about judgment, because the ruler 0:16:54.390 --> 0:16:57.090 of this world has been judged, if the the one 0:16:57.090 --> 0:16:59.700 who causes all the rebellion and sin in the world 0:16:59.700 --> 0:17:02.550 has been judged through the death of Jesus, and ultimately 0:17:02.550 --> 0:17:05.550 through being bound and cast into the abyss and ultimately 0:17:05.580 --> 0:17:07.920 cast into the lake of fire, if that one will 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:12.720 face judgment. Anyone that that doesn't know the Lord has 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:16.110 that same destiny. And so there's a sense of I 0:17:16.109 --> 0:17:18.929 will be judged for my sin. And so this is 0:17:18.930 --> 0:17:21.270 talking about the way the the Holy Spirit works in 0:17:21.270 --> 0:17:24.450 people's lives to convict them of sin, righteousness, and judgment. 0:17:24.570 --> 0:17:26.909 I often say to people, in order to get saved, 0:17:26.910 --> 0:17:28.619 you have to first have to get lost. People have 0:17:28.619 --> 0:17:33.090 to have a sense of, uh, of being separated from 0:17:33.090 --> 0:17:35.959 God because of their sin. That's what the Holy Spirit 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:41.149 is doing. And then, uh, the result is that they 0:17:41.150 --> 0:17:46.370 will trust in Jesus, be forgiven, and by application, if 0:17:46.369 --> 0:17:48.560 the Holy Spirit can do that with people who don't 0:17:48.590 --> 0:17:51.530 know him, how much more will he do it with 0:17:51.530 --> 0:17:54.260 those of us who do know him, in whom he 0:17:54.290 --> 0:17:59.929 is dwelling within us already. So that's that's where I 0:17:59.930 --> 0:18:02.959 think the scripture is for about the convicting work of 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:04.040 the Holy Spirit. 0:18:04.970 --> 0:18:06.080 Okay. Thank you very much. 0:18:06.109 --> 0:18:07.129 Okay. Yeah. 0:18:07.130 --> 0:18:10.669 Thanks. Thanks for your call. Uh, and we're going to 0:18:10.670 --> 0:18:16.280 talk to Stephanie in Cleveland, Tennessee. Uh, listening on Wmw. 0:18:16.310 --> 0:18:19.010 Welcome to Open Line, Stephanie. How can I help you today? 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:22.969 Hi, doctor Michael or doctor Nick. I'm sorry. 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:24.109 You can call me Doctor Michael. 0:18:24.109 --> 0:18:25.010 You can call me Michael. 0:18:25.010 --> 0:18:26.690 You can call me. Uh. 0:18:27.020 --> 0:18:29.119 I don't care what you call me. That's fine. 0:18:29.390 --> 0:18:29.690 So. 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:30.980 I'm sorry. Um. 0:18:31.010 --> 0:18:33.919 Hey, you know, I think I always like it when. 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:34.120 Uh. 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:35.980 There are kids. 0:18:36.670 --> 0:18:41.500 That they want to call me Mr. Nick. My friends, children, grandchildren, 0:18:41.530 --> 0:18:43.870 they want. And I say, just call me Michael to 0:18:43.900 --> 0:18:46.810 those kids. And and they they can't do it. They 0:18:46.810 --> 0:18:48.430 call me Doctor Michael. I think. 0:18:48.430 --> 0:18:48.970 That's. 0:18:49.030 --> 0:18:49.570 Well. 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:49.899 So. 0:18:50.109 --> 0:18:53.710 Yeah, I can understand that. Yeah. Um. Thank you. Thank 0:18:53.740 --> 0:18:55.990 you for taking my call. I was asked a question 0:18:55.990 --> 0:19:00.100 last night, and I, I know you've talked about this before, 0:19:00.100 --> 0:19:04.090 and I'm sorry that I could not give a proper answer, but, um, 0:19:04.090 --> 0:19:10.300 they asked me about salvation after the rapture, uh, during tribulation. 0:19:10.300 --> 0:19:14.050 And I know that, um, there's a remnant and there 0:19:14.050 --> 0:19:17.470 was some something about that that you've talked about and 0:19:17.470 --> 0:19:19.900 was hoping maybe you could help me answer this question 0:19:19.900 --> 0:19:23.320 about the possibility of salvation after the rapture. 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:24.430 Yeah. 0:19:24.430 --> 0:19:28.210 Well, at the rapture, everyone that knows this is my belief. 0:19:28.210 --> 0:19:32.080 I believe in the pre-tribulation rapture. That means that, uh, 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:37.340 The the Lord will snatch the church up any genuine 0:19:37.340 --> 0:19:42.230 believer to be with him, and that will happen sometime 0:19:42.230 --> 0:19:47.330 before the tribulation. Then the tribulation begins when Israel signs 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:52.760 a covenant with the false Messiah, the Antichrist. And that's, uh, 0:19:52.790 --> 0:19:56.840 found in Daniel 924 through 27. Uh, that's the passage 0:19:56.840 --> 0:20:01.190 about that. Uh, but can people so I think just 0:20:01.190 --> 0:20:05.180 be clear, Stephanie, you're saying can people be saved in 0:20:05.180 --> 0:20:09.350 the tribulation once the tribulation begins? Am I am I 0:20:09.380 --> 0:20:10.520 hearing you right? 0:20:10.790 --> 0:20:12.560 Yes. That is my question. 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:13.400 Yeah. 0:20:13.430 --> 0:20:17.720 Okay. So, uh, it does appear to be so because 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:21.439 you keep seeing people getting saved in the book of 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:27.200 revelation after the tribulation has begun. So here I am 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:32.500 in revelation chapter seven, as I'm turning my pages here. Uh, 0:20:34.090 --> 0:20:39.550 and it says that there are 144,000, 12,000 from each tribe. 0:20:39.580 --> 0:20:43.780 144,000 people of Israel. Uh, and they this is what 0:20:43.780 --> 0:20:45.850 it says. Don't harm the earth or the sea or 0:20:45.850 --> 0:20:49.060 the trees until we seal the slaves of our God 0:20:49.090 --> 0:20:54.250 on their foreheads. Uh, and they are sealed to serve him. 0:20:54.700 --> 0:20:58.810 It doesn't say what they are sealed to do. What 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:02.770 how their service is going to be, but they, uh. 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:07.000 But it just says that they are sealed as servants 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:11.859 of God. And then the very next paragraph talks about 0:21:11.859 --> 0:21:16.960 the vast multitude from every nation, tribe, people and language 0:21:17.140 --> 0:21:19.780 which no one could number, standing before the throne and 0:21:19.780 --> 0:21:22.780 before the lamb, robed in white with palm branches in 0:21:22.810 --> 0:21:25.630 their hands, crying out, salvation belongs to our God. These 0:21:25.630 --> 0:21:29.020 are the people who get saved in the tribulation. So 0:21:29.020 --> 0:21:32.170 it sounds to me like what we have in revelation 0:21:32.170 --> 0:21:37.810 seven is 144,000 Jews who believe in Jesus. They get 0:21:37.810 --> 0:21:40.869 saved in the tribulation. They're sealed to serve God. I 0:21:40.869 --> 0:21:43.780 think their service is proclaiming the gospel. Think of about 0:21:43.780 --> 0:21:49.090 144,000 Jewish. Billy Graham's out there proclaiming the gospel during 0:21:49.090 --> 0:21:52.120 the tribulation, and they win people from every tribe and 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:55.930 tongue and nation. And so that, yes, there's most people 0:21:55.930 --> 0:21:58.149 don't realize this, but there's going to be a great 0:21:58.150 --> 0:22:04.240 revival in the tribulation period. Okay. There and there, they're 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:06.909 going to win a lot of people to the Lord. 0:22:06.910 --> 0:22:09.399 And then those people who are from every tribe and 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:12.010 tongue and nation, they'll win people to the Lord. And 0:22:12.010 --> 0:22:15.550 so I think there's going to be a great revival. 0:22:15.550 --> 0:22:18.699 I think just as many people as ever, maybe the 0:22:18.700 --> 0:22:21.639 greatest revival in history will take place in the worst 0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:26.500 time in history, in the tribulation period. Okay, Stephanie. Yeah. 0:22:26.530 --> 0:22:29.050 Thank you. Thank you very much. I appreciate. 0:22:29.050 --> 0:22:31.360 That. And by the way, then you'll see that there 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:34.720 will be martyrs in revelation six during the tribulation. How 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:38.380 can they be martyrs in the tribulation if if they 0:22:38.380 --> 0:22:40.990 didn't get saved in the tribulation, since every believer will 0:22:41.020 --> 0:22:44.230 be removed? So yeah, there will there will be martyrs 0:22:44.230 --> 0:22:48.010 and there will be great revival. Okay, okay. Thanks for 0:22:48.010 --> 0:22:48.400 your call. 0:22:48.609 --> 0:22:49.780 Appreciate it. Thank you. 0:22:50.859 --> 0:22:54.910 Uh, we're going to talk with Ronald in Elmwood Park, Illinois, 0:22:54.910 --> 0:22:58.990 listening on Wmbi, our flagship station. Hello, Ronald. How can 0:22:58.990 --> 0:23:01.209 I help you today? Welcome to the young man. 0:23:01.210 --> 0:23:02.410 How are you doing? 0:23:02.770 --> 0:23:06.040 Thank God. Doing okay? How can I help you? 0:23:06.070 --> 0:23:09.160 I am far from a biblical scholar, so please accept 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:11.260 some of my babbling. But anyhow. 0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:14.320 There's no babbling, no babbling allowed. Just go ahead with 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:15.100 your question. 0:23:15.310 --> 0:23:18.639 There's a. I'm sure there's there's a verse or several 0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:24.429 in the Bible. Moses meets Jesus on Mount Sinai and 0:23:24.430 --> 0:23:28.050 they and it says to I'm paraphrasing or whatever I'm 0:23:28.050 --> 0:23:32.189 doing with it. That day, Jesus spoke to Moses face 0:23:32.220 --> 0:23:37.380 to face. And I believe that there's another instance where 0:23:37.380 --> 0:23:41.340 Moses is going across the desert, where he goes back 0:23:41.340 --> 0:23:44.730 to his tent, and that one evening and Jesus comes 0:23:44.730 --> 0:23:48.600 down and he meets him face to face. And pretty sure, 0:23:48.630 --> 0:23:52.140 at least in the Mount Sinai, when it says face 0:23:52.170 --> 0:23:55.620 to face as a man speaks to another man. But 0:23:55.619 --> 0:23:59.730 I believe there's several places in the Bible where it says. 0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:03.540 Okay, I got you, I got you. So what's your question? 0:24:03.660 --> 0:24:06.899 No one has seen the face of God and lived. 0:24:07.230 --> 0:24:11.100 Okay. That's it. And you want to know about how 0:24:11.100 --> 0:24:13.260 can Moses speak to God face to face? 0:24:13.530 --> 0:24:14.370 Yes, sir. 0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:26.780 Okay, good. Uh, so in the book of numbers, when, uh. Uh, 0:24:26.780 --> 0:24:30.800 Miriam and Aaron speak against Moses because they get jealous. 0:24:30.830 --> 0:24:34.070 They're like, we're we're prophets, too, you know? You should 0:24:34.070 --> 0:24:37.730 listen to us, too. God calls them out, and he 0:24:37.970 --> 0:24:41.960 and he says in numbers 12, verses six through eight. Uh, 0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:44.210 if there is a prophet among you from the Lord, 0:24:44.210 --> 0:24:46.159 I will make myself known to him in a vision. 0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:49.730 I speak with him in a dream. Uh, not so 0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:53.090 with my servant Moses. He is faithful in all my household. 0:24:53.119 --> 0:24:58.669 I speak with him directly and literally. It says mouth 0:24:58.670 --> 0:25:01.970 to mouth. And that's what some versions translate with him. 0:25:01.970 --> 0:25:06.590 I speak face to face openly and not in riddles. 0:25:06.590 --> 0:25:11.300 He sees the form of the Lord. So what you 0:25:11.300 --> 0:25:15.080 have here is Moses speaks to God directly. That's it's 0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:18.860 a metaphor, uh, that that they have direct conversation, not 0:25:18.859 --> 0:25:22.250 dreams and visions. But it doesn't mean that Moses actually 0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:26.490 sees God. That comes from another place. When Moses goes 0:25:26.490 --> 0:25:32.910 up on the mountain and they see God. But I 0:25:32.910 --> 0:25:35.610 believe what they only see there is they see in 0:25:35.609 --> 0:25:40.530 a vision in numbers 2411. Uh, they saw him in 0:25:40.530 --> 0:25:44.160 a vision. That's the Hebrew word that's used. So that's 0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:47.160 how Moses could see God. Uh, we'll talk more about 0:25:47.160 --> 0:25:49.590 that another time. Thanks for your call. We're going to 0:25:49.590 --> 0:25:52.350 be right back with the mailbag, so don't go away. 0:26:10.050 --> 0:26:13.470 Welcome back to Open Line. I'm so grateful to be 0:26:13.470 --> 0:26:17.850 with you. I so appreciate Tricia being back with me. 0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:26.450 She's got all the mailbag questions, the Febc mailbag questions, and, uh. Hey, Tricia. Yes, I'm. 0:26:26.450 --> 0:26:30.530 I am just amazed. Uh, I have to say, to 0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:32.600 hear it did a great job the last couple of 0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:35.840 weeks when you weren't in the studio. Uh. And did 0:26:35.840 --> 0:26:39.170 she tell you what I told her to warn you about? 0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:41.150 I'm not sure if she did. 0:26:41.270 --> 0:26:43.910 I told her to worry that you should. She should 0:26:43.910 --> 0:26:45.890 tell you the story of Wally Pipp. 0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:47.360 Oh. You know. 0:26:47.570 --> 0:26:49.190 Do you know the story of Wally Pipp? 0:26:49.220 --> 0:26:50.090 I do not. Wally. 0:26:50.330 --> 0:26:53.869 Wally Pipp was the first baseman of the Yankees, and 0:26:53.869 --> 0:26:57.590 he got injured. And so this is in, uh, this 0:26:57.590 --> 0:27:00.320 is about 100 years ago. And so a guy named 0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:02.660 Lou Gehrig was replaced him. 0:27:02.990 --> 0:27:04.760 Yeah, I've heard of him. Yeah. 0:27:04.790 --> 0:27:08.000 Lou Gehrig, Hall of Famer. He set the record for 0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:13.550 most continuous games without missing one, uh, 2130 games. That 0:27:13.550 --> 0:27:16.399 was later broken by Cal Ripken. But he set the 0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:20.570 record for a long time, 2130 consecutive games. And Wally 0:27:20.570 --> 0:27:24.130 Pipp lost his job. And so I told her that 0:27:24.160 --> 0:27:26.440 you should be a little concerned. 0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:29.200 That she should. 0:27:29.530 --> 0:27:31.840 Yeah, because you don't want to become the Wally Pipp 0:27:31.869 --> 0:27:32.830 of producers. 0:27:32.830 --> 0:27:38.260 That's it. It's true, it's true. But we're working together 0:27:38.260 --> 0:27:40.720 as a team, she and I. And so. Yeah. So 0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:43.060 that neither of us has to be here every week 0:27:43.060 --> 0:27:46.240 because we've both been here every week. Um, yeah. In 0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:50.050 the background. Often she was in the background. And so, um, yeah. 0:27:50.050 --> 0:27:52.780 So we're kind of sharing this and working together as 0:27:52.780 --> 0:27:53.619 a team. 0:27:53.650 --> 0:27:56.710 Yeah. Which most people don't know about why we need 0:27:56.710 --> 0:28:00.970 a team for something like this is because you are 0:28:00.970 --> 0:28:03.070 also the producer of Chris Fabry Live, and you're here 0:28:03.070 --> 0:28:05.620 during the week. You're I feel bad for you having 0:28:05.650 --> 0:28:09.550 to be here on the weekends, but we're part of 0:28:09.550 --> 0:28:11.920 a team and I really appreciate the whole big team. 0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:15.940 And that teamwork is what makes open line work people. 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Kevin in Minnesota listens to Ktis and says, 0:30:04.790 --> 0:30:08.270 I had decided that quoting job's three friends to make 0:30:08.270 --> 0:30:11.180 a correct biblical point is a bad idea and should 0:30:11.180 --> 0:30:16.310 not be done even if they said something accurate because, um, 0:30:16.310 --> 0:30:21.930 they were so wrong in the whole book, in the 0:30:21.930 --> 0:30:27.000 story with job and have problematic credibility, even if they 0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:31.230 have a nice, concise quote. I'd rather use biblical people 0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:36.150 who are more accurate and living rightly. Um, but there 0:30:36.180 --> 0:30:38.790 are other places where the Bible quotes unbelievers when they 0:30:38.790 --> 0:30:41.580 say untrue things. But I was also assuming we shouldn't 0:30:41.580 --> 0:30:45.480 use those to support things that we have. However, in 0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:51.630 first Corinthians 319, Paul quotes Eliphaz from job 513 so 0:30:51.630 --> 0:30:55.080 that seems to shoot my cherished theory down. Can you 0:30:55.080 --> 0:30:56.490 please help me with this? 0:30:56.520 --> 0:30:59.160 Yeah, I think that shoots your theory down. That's what 0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:04.590 I would say. Uh, it's, uh, think about this. Let's 0:31:04.590 --> 0:31:07.080 let's just take it out of the hole. Job's friends. Context. 0:31:07.110 --> 0:31:12.330 Matthew 16 Jesus says to Peter, who do men say 0:31:12.330 --> 0:31:15.030 that I am? He says, you know these different options. 0:31:15.060 --> 0:31:16.290 Some say this, some say this. 0:31:16.330 --> 0:31:18.370 Yeah. And then he says. But who do you say 0:31:18.370 --> 0:31:20.770 that I am? He says, you are the Messiah, the 0:31:20.770 --> 0:31:24.250 son of the living God. Jesus says, flesh and blood 0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:28.120 has not revealed this to you, but my father. It's 0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:30.790 a big deal that that Peter gets that very next 0:31:30.790 --> 0:31:33.670 thing the Lord Jesus says is that he's going to Jerusalem. 0:31:33.670 --> 0:31:38.320 He's going to be crucified. Peter says, absolutely not. No, no, no. 0:31:38.530 --> 0:31:41.260 And what does the Lord Jesus response to him there? 0:31:41.290 --> 0:31:44.320 Get behind me, Satan! Isn't that right? 0:31:44.350 --> 0:31:46.060 That's it. That's right. 0:31:47.620 --> 0:31:52.510 Well, here's the question. Uh, what do we what do 0:31:52.510 --> 0:31:54.580 we do with that? Do we never quote Peter because 0:31:54.580 --> 0:31:56.320 he was so off on that. 0:31:56.320 --> 0:31:59.680 So off or that Jesus calls him Satan? 0:31:59.920 --> 0:32:00.850 Exactly. 0:32:01.180 --> 0:32:01.840 That's pretty. 0:32:01.870 --> 0:32:02.560 Far off. 0:32:02.590 --> 0:32:06.130 We just have to assess whether the thing the person 0:32:06.130 --> 0:32:12.100 says is true. You're the Messiah. Uh, or uh, or 0:32:12.100 --> 0:32:15.970 the or wrong. Never. Lord, you'll never be crucified, right? 0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:16.570 Right. 0:32:16.930 --> 0:32:20.020 And the same thing with Eliphaz. The same thing with. 0:32:20.020 --> 0:32:25.480 With anyone in Scripture. We have to establish whether what 0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:29.050 they're saying is overall true. We have the whole Bible 0:32:29.050 --> 0:32:32.410 to evaluate it or not. True. And it's okay to 0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:34.810 quote one of job's friends as long as what they're 0:32:34.810 --> 0:32:39.400 saying is true. Okay. Not not mistaken. So. 0:32:39.430 --> 0:32:40.330 Okay. 0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:42.040 That does shoot the theory, doesn't it? 0:32:42.220 --> 0:32:45.430 It does, it does. But that's a good helpful um, 0:32:45.460 --> 0:32:48.820 tool as we're tip as we're studying the Bible. Like 0:32:48.820 --> 0:32:52.000 we shouldn't be quoting those that say there is no 0:32:52.000 --> 0:32:55.630 God because that's not what we believe. And we have 0:32:55.630 --> 0:32:59.710 an entire book that talks about. Yeah, you know, that 0:32:59.710 --> 0:33:01.870 kind of supports the opposite of that, even though that 0:33:01.870 --> 0:33:05.920 is in the Bible. But but quoting the truth, even 0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:09.100 if it is said by someone who is false, like, 0:33:09.100 --> 0:33:12.100 like even Balaam and his donkey, like those are not 0:33:12.100 --> 0:33:15.830 people that you would quote, generally speaking, however, you know, 0:33:15.860 --> 0:33:16.220 there was. 0:33:16.250 --> 0:33:18.620 Why can we quote Balaam? Because he got it right. 0:33:18.620 --> 0:33:20.810 And that's why we have the story of Balaam's donkey. 0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:23.150 Because if God could speak through one donkey, he can 0:33:23.150 --> 0:33:24.590 speak through another donkey, right? 0:33:24.620 --> 0:33:26.330 That's right. Okay. 0:33:26.480 --> 0:33:29.060 Thank you for that question, Kevin. Our next question is 0:33:29.060 --> 0:33:33.800 from Franco in Florida. Um, who is confused about Exodus 30? 0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:38.240 And actually, any time that something, um, talks about a 0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:41.270 perpetual like this is a perpetual thing that God is 0:33:41.270 --> 0:33:44.000 setting up or a forever thing was commanded by the 0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:50.810 people to do this forever. Um, specifically like sacrifices. Should 0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:55.340 Israel still be offering sacrifices like God set up in 0:33:55.340 --> 0:33:59.870 Exodus 30 day and night? Um, and then beyond that 0:33:59.900 --> 0:34:03.020 kind of, he said, I thought that Jesus had fulfilled 0:34:03.020 --> 0:34:05.360 the law. And yet Matthew five he says it will 0:34:05.360 --> 0:34:07.910 not pass away before passing, before the passing of heaven 0:34:07.910 --> 0:34:09.050 and earth. Can you explain? 0:34:10.070 --> 0:34:12.750 Well, first of all, the a lot of the commands 0:34:12.780 --> 0:34:16.950 are oh, this is forever. The the words olam the 0:34:16.950 --> 0:34:24.149 world forever in Hebrew means until its lifespan for its lifespan. Okay, so. 0:34:24.300 --> 0:34:26.670 So when the lifespan of the event is over. No, 0:34:26.670 --> 0:34:29.880 you don't have to do it anymore. Uh, so, for example, 0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:33.629 in Exodus 21 six, it talks about the the slave 0:34:33.630 --> 0:34:36.299 that wants to become doesn't want to be liberated, but 0:34:36.300 --> 0:34:39.779 wants to become his master's servant forever, and he gets 0:34:39.780 --> 0:34:43.320 his ear pierced. Do you remember that story in Exodus 21? 0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:47.880 And then it says he will be his servant forever? Well, 0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:50.969 that doesn't mean for all eternity. It means for as 0:34:50.969 --> 0:34:54.839 long as he lives. And that's how very often we 0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:59.820 have to understand these commands. Like how often should Israel, uh, uh, 0:34:59.850 --> 0:35:03.840 offer these sacrifices or burn this incense for as long 0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:08.009 as the sacrificial system exists, as long as it lives, 0:35:08.010 --> 0:35:10.620 that's how long we do it. Uh, and yes, the 0:35:10.620 --> 0:35:14.330 Law of Moses is forever. I open my Bible. We 0:35:14.330 --> 0:35:17.000 talk about it all the time. It's right there. The 0:35:17.030 --> 0:35:20.150 Torah is in my Bible, and I still can live 0:35:20.180 --> 0:35:23.719 by its principles and wisdom, as as we all should. 0:35:23.750 --> 0:35:26.870 Because it's the word of God. Uh, but the what? 0:35:26.900 --> 0:35:33.500 What the law. What has, uh, been rendered inoperative? Not 0:35:33.500 --> 0:35:35.570 that it doesn't exist, but it's not our it's not 0:35:35.570 --> 0:35:42.290 our operating system is what it is. Uh, so, uh, 0:35:42.290 --> 0:35:45.860 that's that's the key idea. It's not our operating system. 0:35:45.860 --> 0:35:49.400 That's the Sinai covenant, the laws that were given. So. Okay, 0:35:49.430 --> 0:35:52.969 but they still exist, and they're still there. Okay. And 0:35:52.969 --> 0:35:55.430 the reason I say that is the Lord Jesus doesn't 0:35:55.430 --> 0:35:58.730 say the law alone. He says the law and the prophets. 0:35:59.210 --> 0:36:03.170 And in Matthew, in Matthew five, he's talking about the 0:36:03.170 --> 0:36:04.160 Bible as a whole. 0:36:04.190 --> 0:36:09.580 Okay. Um, so when it comes to Matthew 28, When 0:36:09.580 --> 0:36:12.370 Jesus says, I am with you always. 0:36:13.030 --> 0:36:14.529 Different Greek word is it. 0:36:14.530 --> 0:36:16.210 I was going to ask what it is even to 0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:18.129 the end of the age. Is that just just for 0:36:18.130 --> 0:36:20.350 the time, or is that an actual. 0:36:20.590 --> 0:36:21.880 For the eons? 0:36:21.910 --> 0:36:26.620 Okay, so that is, that is longer than than these 0:36:26.620 --> 0:36:27.129 do these. 0:36:27.130 --> 0:36:27.850 Sacrifices. 0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:30.819 Forever. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Good. That makes me feel good. 0:36:30.850 --> 0:36:33.100 Makes me feel better sometimes. You know, you never ask 0:36:33.100 --> 0:36:34.540 a question you don't know the answer to. But I 0:36:34.540 --> 0:36:36.940 was like, oh, I don't know what the actual Greek 0:36:36.940 --> 0:36:39.430 says in that. So thank you for that reassurance. So 0:36:39.430 --> 0:36:44.140 that one actually is a forever eternal. Yeah. An eternal 0:36:44.140 --> 0:36:48.910 promise from Jesus. Yeah. Okay. That's it. Wonderful. Okay. You 0:36:48.910 --> 0:36:49.960 want to do one more? 0:36:50.110 --> 0:36:51.100 No. We're going to take a break. 0:36:51.130 --> 0:36:52.570 Okay. All right. Sounds good. 0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:55.359 Had a good time with that. We'll we'll take more questions. 0:36:55.390 --> 0:36:57.759 Send your question in to open line radio.org. All you 0:36:57.760 --> 0:36:59.650 have to do is go to our website. Click on 0:36:59.650 --> 0:37:02.739 the link that says ask Michael a question and Trish 0:37:02.739 --> 0:37:05.320 will uh you can post it there and Trish will 0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:08.600 put it in the mailbag. Thanks for your help with this, Tricia. Always. 0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:10.910 And thanks for. Thanks for not being Wally Pipp and 0:37:10.910 --> 0:37:14.330 coming back. Appreciate it. We're going to be right back 0:37:14.330 --> 0:37:16.370 with more of your questions in just a moment, so 0:37:16.370 --> 0:37:18.259 don't go away. This is open line with Michael Ray 0:37:18.260 --> 0:37:28.759 Dolnick and Tricia McMillan. Welcome back to Open Line. You know, 0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:32.660 I should have mentioned this earlier. Uh, someone called in 0:37:32.660 --> 0:37:35.480 and wanted to know, is it okay for someone to 0:37:35.510 --> 0:37:38.150 still go to the Jewish people today? Because the gospel 0:37:38.150 --> 0:37:43.819 was to the Jewish people first and therefore, uh, you know, now, 0:37:43.820 --> 0:37:48.680 shouldn't we be reaching the Gentiles so that Jesus can return? Uh, well, 0:37:49.280 --> 0:37:52.760 here's the thing. When the Bible says the gospel is 0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:56.390 to the Jew first, it doesn't mean that the historically 0:37:56.390 --> 0:37:59.780 the gospel went to the Jewish people earlier, and that 0:37:59.780 --> 0:38:02.180 now is to the Gentiles. It means to the Jewish 0:38:02.180 --> 0:38:05.930 people especially. And and for the whole world. It says, 0:38:05.930 --> 0:38:09.070 I am not ashamed of the gospel. It is present tense, 0:38:09.070 --> 0:38:11.890 the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, 0:38:11.890 --> 0:38:15.430 to the Jewish people especially, and also to the Gentiles. 0:38:15.430 --> 0:38:18.969 That's what that verse means. And yes, we should reach 0:38:18.969 --> 0:38:22.270 Jewish people. And there's a great little booklet called To 0:38:22.300 --> 0:38:28.120 the Jew first by In the New Millennium, uh, by, uh, 0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:31.090 Doctor Al Mohler. And it's being offered for free by 0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:34.180 Chosen People Ministries. I hope you'll get a copy. It's 0:38:34.180 --> 0:38:38.739 a wonderful little booklet, and it really shows how being 0:38:38.770 --> 0:38:41.500 faithful to this message of reaching the Jewish people with 0:38:41.500 --> 0:38:46.930 the gospel will, uh, show our our commitment to the 0:38:46.930 --> 0:38:50.260 Great Commission and how important it is. And if you'd 0:38:50.260 --> 0:38:53.290 like a copy of this wonderful little booklet, all you 0:38:53.290 --> 0:38:55.780 have to do is go to our website, openline radio.org. 0:38:55.780 --> 0:38:58.509 Scroll down till you come to the link that says 0:38:58.510 --> 0:39:01.660 A Free gift from Chosen People Ministries. Click on that. 0:39:01.660 --> 0:39:03.430 It'll take you to a page where you can sign 0:39:03.430 --> 0:39:06.270 up for your own copy of Al Mohler's to the 0:39:06.270 --> 0:39:09.150 Jew first. And now we're going to go to the 0:39:09.150 --> 0:39:15.450 phones and talk with Linda listening in Lakeland, Florida on Wcqs. 0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:17.790 Welcome to Open Line, Linda. Now is a good season 0:39:17.790 --> 0:39:20.460 to be living in Florida, isn't it? It's not too hot. 0:39:20.489 --> 0:39:24.960 It's beautiful. It's absolutely gorgeous. It is. It's great times 0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:29.490 all around. That's great. My question was I was reading 0:39:29.969 --> 0:39:35.040 about when Moses was on the mountain and he was talking. 0:39:35.070 --> 0:39:37.830 God was talking to him and he passed by him. 0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:41.580 And then Moses came down the mountain. And when he 0:39:41.580 --> 0:39:47.850 got down there, they were all worshipping the golden calf. And, um, 0:39:48.600 --> 0:39:51.419 he I don't know if he said something to Aaron 0:39:51.420 --> 0:39:54.390 or not, but Aaron says, I don't know how it happened. 0:39:54.420 --> 0:39:57.660 It just kind of all the pieces, it just formed itself. 0:39:57.690 --> 0:40:00.300 I tossed the gold in the fire and out came 0:40:00.300 --> 0:40:01.350 this calf. 0:40:01.380 --> 0:40:10.509 And out there it is. And then God smote 3000 people. Why? 0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:16.270 Why was Aaron, um. You know, not smote. 0:40:16.719 --> 0:40:21.880 Why was he not smote? Yeah. Yeah. I wonder about 0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:26.890 that myself. Why was Aaron not smote? Uh, here's what 0:40:26.890 --> 0:40:30.070 I think. I don't think, uh, not why? I don't 0:40:30.070 --> 0:40:34.930 think Aaron really wanted to do this. Uh, I think 0:40:34.930 --> 0:40:43.960 that what happened was, uh, that Aaron Aaron was just 0:40:43.960 --> 0:40:48.670 pressed by the people. Uh, and I also believe what 0:40:48.670 --> 0:40:51.430 happened is that when Moses came down and got really 0:40:51.430 --> 0:40:54.069 ticked off, as he should have been, he said, what 0:40:54.100 --> 0:40:56.770 did these people do to you that you have led 0:40:56.800 --> 0:41:00.370 them into such a great sin? Uh, that's, by the way, 0:41:00.370 --> 0:41:03.120 that's in Exodus 32, verse 24, he says, when I 0:41:03.150 --> 0:41:08.489 threw it in the fire, out came this calf. And 0:41:08.489 --> 0:41:11.160 Moses saw the people were out of control, for Aaron 0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:15.210 had let them get out of control, resulting in weakness 0:41:15.210 --> 0:41:19.500 before their enemies and the Levites. So then this is 0:41:19.500 --> 0:41:22.260 what the Lord, the God of Israel, says. Every man 0:41:22.260 --> 0:41:24.509 fastened his sword to his side. Go back and forth 0:41:24.510 --> 0:41:27.030 through the camp from entrance to entrance, and each of 0:41:27.030 --> 0:41:30.420 you kill his brother, his friend, and his neighbor. The 0:41:30.420 --> 0:41:33.660 Levites did as Moses commanded in about 3000 men fell 0:41:33.690 --> 0:41:37.020 dead that day among the people afterward. Today you have 0:41:37.020 --> 0:41:39.600 been dedicated to the Lord since each of you. Each 0:41:39.630 --> 0:41:42.330 man went against his son and his brother. Therefore you 0:41:42.330 --> 0:41:45.780 have brought a blessing on yourselves today. Okay, here's what 0:41:45.780 --> 0:41:49.530 I think happened. Moses came down, yelled at his brother, 0:41:49.530 --> 0:41:54.630 as he should have, and probably many, many more people 0:41:54.630 --> 0:42:01.820 had been involved in in Golden calf worship. But Aaron stopped, 0:42:01.820 --> 0:42:05.930 as did the rest of Israel. But 3000 were like, 0:42:05.930 --> 0:42:08.570 we're not going to listen to Moses. We're going to persist. 0:42:08.570 --> 0:42:11.960 And those are the ones that perished, the ones that 0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:15.440 would not stop worshiping the golden calf when Moses put 0:42:15.440 --> 0:42:18.860 a stop to it. That's why. And Aaron had put 0:42:18.860 --> 0:42:20.569 a stop to it in his own life. He wasn't 0:42:20.570 --> 0:42:24.020 even doing it. He was just stupidly, you know, those 0:42:24.020 --> 0:42:26.180 are my people. I must lead them. Let me. Let 0:42:26.180 --> 0:42:29.510 me do whatever they want. That is ridiculous. So, yeah, 0:42:29.510 --> 0:42:32.570 but that's what he did. Yeah. And by the way, 0:42:32.600 --> 0:42:37.279 what follows after that are all the Levitical laws. Uh, 0:42:37.310 --> 0:42:40.760 the Priestly Code follows because Aaron was a failure as 0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:43.010 a priest. So they had to get more laws for 0:42:43.010 --> 0:42:44.540 the priest. So. 0:42:45.770 --> 0:42:48.169 Um, can I ask you one more question. 0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:50.719 Related to this? Uh. 0:42:51.500 --> 0:42:53.299 Well, it's about Moses. 0:42:53.330 --> 0:42:54.380 Okay. Go ahead. 0:42:54.710 --> 0:42:59.660 When Moses, uh, it says that Moses can see the 0:42:59.670 --> 0:43:03.900 Promised land. He couldn't go in it because of his sin. 0:43:03.900 --> 0:43:07.680 But he saw the Promised Land. Did Aaron go into 0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:08.879 the Promised Land? 0:43:08.910 --> 0:43:09.660 No. 0:43:09.660 --> 0:43:14.549 Both. Aaron died before Moses did. Before, even while they 0:43:14.550 --> 0:43:18.000 were still in the wilderness wanderings. And in Leviticus, it 0:43:18.000 --> 0:43:21.480 tells us, remember that it's the whole story that Moses struck, 0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:27.299 not Leviticus. In, uh, in numbers. Moses struck the rock twice. 0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:30.540 Mhm. Yeah. Okay. 0:43:30.540 --> 0:43:33.660 Well thank you very much for taking my question. It 0:43:33.870 --> 0:43:36.090 it really helped me with Aaron. 0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:52.110 We are having technical difficulties again with Michael. Um, and 0:43:52.110 --> 0:43:58.610 so we, um, we will uh, checking the clock here. 0:43:58.610 --> 0:44:02.000 We are going to try and reconnect with him. Um, 0:44:02.120 --> 0:44:08.960 and our next caller is Marlena in Cleveland, Ohio. Marlena, 0:44:09.050 --> 0:44:11.720 go ahead with your question on Open Line. 0:44:12.620 --> 0:44:17.060 Okay. Uh, a Jewish friend of mine asked me this question. 0:44:17.090 --> 0:44:22.460 Jesus remembered the Passover by participating in a Seder. If 0:44:22.460 --> 0:44:26.839 Jesus did it, why don't Christians practice this today? 0:44:27.710 --> 0:44:32.089 Um, that is a great question. And I know Michael 0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:37.489 thinks that, um, that people should I mean, it is 0:44:37.489 --> 0:44:43.550 a good thing to do. It is not required. Um, um, 0:44:43.580 --> 0:44:48.860 it is not a required thing by Christians to do 0:44:48.890 --> 0:44:53.029 to live under the Jewish feasts. However, it can shed 0:44:53.030 --> 0:44:55.759 great light on, um, I think it gives a lot 0:44:55.790 --> 0:45:01.510 of great. Um. It helps. It gives a fuller understanding 0:45:01.540 --> 0:45:07.360 of what was happening at the Passover and remembering that, um, 0:45:07.390 --> 0:45:12.700 what was happening, um, when, when they were doing. Okay, 0:45:12.700 --> 0:45:16.089 we've got Michael back. Michael. Not much time. But you 0:45:16.090 --> 0:45:18.670 want to try and you want to try and help Marlena. 0:45:18.700 --> 0:45:21.430 I told her that there's it is not required for 0:45:21.430 --> 0:45:26.230 Christians to celebrate and do Seder services, but it does 0:45:26.260 --> 0:45:29.500 give great, um, addition to help us understand them. 0:45:29.650 --> 0:45:32.020 Yeah, it's kind of fun. And I would say every 0:45:32.050 --> 0:45:33.850 time you have the Lord's Supper, in a sense you're 0:45:33.850 --> 0:45:36.669 having a little mini Seder, and that's something that we're 0:45:36.670 --> 0:45:40.000 supposed to do. And then I think a full seder 0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:42.790 is great, but there's no obligation to do it. It's 0:45:42.790 --> 0:45:46.270 just a meaningful thing. And it's. I have to tell you, uh, 0:45:46.270 --> 0:45:48.730 there are so many believers that agree with you that 0:45:48.730 --> 0:45:52.330 it's meaningful, that if I wanted to spend every day 0:45:52.330 --> 0:45:55.610 for the month of April and part of March Speaking 0:45:55.610 --> 0:45:58.760 someplace and leading a Seder. I would have a very full, 0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:04.160 full time because many, many believers would like that. So. 0:46:04.219 --> 0:46:05.120 Absolutely. 0:46:05.420 --> 0:46:08.120 Yeah. And that's why it's good that people learn. Anyway, 0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:10.730 thanks for your call, Marlena. Sorry about the glitch and thanks. 0:46:10.880 --> 0:46:13.969 That's the program for this week. Thanks for listening, everyone, 0:46:13.969 --> 0:46:18.110 and thanks to the Open Line team. Tricia. Omar. Lisa, 0:46:18.110 --> 0:46:20.629 thanks for all that you do. 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