1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,880 S1: Hey, thanks a lot for listening to this program, Chris 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,840 S1: Fabry live. I want to let you know that in 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,280 S1: the program, you're going to hear music that we've had 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:13,280 S1: to edit out for copyright reasons and restrictions. We cannot 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,440 S1: play those songs for you. So thank you for understanding. 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,000 S1: They're back three years ago, Shelly, Denise, and Lee joined 7 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,040 S1: us here at the Radio Backyard Fence, and we talked 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:32,040 S1: about music and awards and success and life and faith 9 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,919 S1: and everything in between. Today they return with a new album. 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,400 S1: Point of Grace is in the House, and you're going 11 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,520 S1: to hear from them straight ahead on the program. From 12 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,240 S1: the heart to the heart for the heart. I cannot 13 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,120 S1: wait to hear their voices again. So let's get started. First, 14 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,560 S1: we begin with a thank you to the team, Ryan 15 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,360 S1: McConaughey doing all things technical. Trish is in the chair today. 16 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,080 S1: Lisa is helping out. Josh will be answering your calls. 17 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,960 S1: If you've always wanted to talk with point of Grace, 18 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,610 S1: boy howdy. Today is your day and thank you. The 19 00:00:59,610 --> 00:01:02,410 S1: other team members are our back fence friends and partners 20 00:01:02,850 --> 00:01:06,490 S1: who make this connection possible because of your support. And 21 00:01:06,490 --> 00:01:09,369 S1: we can't do what we do without your participation. All 22 00:01:09,370 --> 00:01:11,810 S1: this month I've been telling you about our thank you, 23 00:01:11,850 --> 00:01:14,970 S1: which is basically an antidote to the negative voice in 24 00:01:14,970 --> 00:01:18,050 S1: your head that says you're not enough. You're not up 25 00:01:18,050 --> 00:01:20,490 S1: to this task. You're too broken. Who do you think 26 00:01:20,530 --> 00:01:24,009 S1: you are? Do you struggle with that whisper or shout 27 00:01:24,290 --> 00:01:27,490 S1: in your ear? My friend John Gager has written powerful 28 00:01:27,490 --> 00:01:31,970 S1: self-talk from the Psalms 40 days to a biblical mindset, 29 00:01:32,209 --> 00:01:34,330 S1: and we only have 11 days left in the month, 30 00:01:34,330 --> 00:01:38,850 S1: so do not delay. Become a friend or partner today@chris.org. 31 00:01:38,890 --> 00:01:43,209 S1: I'd love to send you a copy, chris.org or call 32 00:01:43,209 --> 00:01:52,050 S1: the number 866958669532279. And thanks for your support of the 33 00:01:52,050 --> 00:01:57,130 S1: radio Backyard fence where we can bring you guests like today, 34 00:01:57,490 --> 00:02:01,450 S1: Three years ago in August, Shelley Breen, Denise Jones and 35 00:02:01,450 --> 00:02:04,690 S1: Leigh Cappillino joined us for one of the most fun 36 00:02:04,690 --> 00:02:08,850 S1: conversations ever and I'm expecting big things from them today. 37 00:02:08,889 --> 00:02:13,370 S1: Their first album came out in 1993. They've had 27 38 00:02:13,370 --> 00:02:17,690 S1: number one singles, two platinum, five gold certified projects. They've 39 00:02:17,690 --> 00:02:21,530 S1: been inducted into the Oklahoma Music Hall of Fame. They've 40 00:02:21,530 --> 00:02:25,010 S1: written books, they've got a cookbook. They appear regularly at 41 00:02:25,010 --> 00:02:28,049 S1: the Grand Ole Opry, and their new project is out. 42 00:02:28,050 --> 00:02:32,010 S1: It's called Lady Wisdom. It's the first all new album 43 00:02:32,010 --> 00:02:34,290 S1: in more than a decade. I think it's been like 44 00:02:34,290 --> 00:02:37,130 S1: 14 years. You can find it a link to it 45 00:02:37,130 --> 00:02:42,090 S1: at Chris dot Shelley. Denise Leigh, welcome back. How are 46 00:02:42,090 --> 00:02:42,690 S1: you doing? 47 00:02:42,810 --> 00:02:44,930 S2: What's up? Thank you. 48 00:02:46,490 --> 00:02:47,730 S3: That was quite a setup. 49 00:02:47,770 --> 00:02:48,210 S2: Yeah. 50 00:02:48,250 --> 00:02:50,570 S1: Yeah. That was I think that was good. I wouldn't 51 00:02:50,570 --> 00:02:53,370 S1: mind having that said about me. Okay. So so let 52 00:02:53,370 --> 00:02:56,140 S1: me ask you about that self-talk question that we're, you know, 53 00:02:56,180 --> 00:02:59,820 S1: given this book, powerful self-talk. Have you ever struggled? Any 54 00:02:59,820 --> 00:03:02,019 S1: of the three of you ever struggled with the voice 55 00:03:02,020 --> 00:03:06,700 S1: of doubt inside? And if so, what did it say? 56 00:03:06,740 --> 00:03:10,060 S1: And how did you overcome that? Who wants to start? 57 00:03:10,820 --> 00:03:13,180 S3: Oh my gosh, I mean, who who hasn't? Yeah. 58 00:03:13,540 --> 00:03:14,260 S4: They're right. 59 00:03:14,580 --> 00:03:16,620 S3: There's no way anyone which one of us has overcome 60 00:03:16,620 --> 00:03:18,820 S3: the most? Who wants to go I don't know. Oh, 61 00:03:18,860 --> 00:03:19,620 S3: I don't know about them. 62 00:03:19,660 --> 00:03:21,980 S4: I mean, I can just say a voice that I 63 00:03:21,980 --> 00:03:24,980 S4: heard for a long time was, you know, you're just 64 00:03:24,980 --> 00:03:28,459 S4: not good enough and you're just not a good finisher. 65 00:03:28,460 --> 00:03:32,899 S4: You can't finish. And I learned that through. It was 66 00:03:32,900 --> 00:03:35,060 S4: a voice that I heard from basketball back in my 67 00:03:35,060 --> 00:03:38,500 S4: high school days. And it's something I carried a long time. 68 00:03:38,500 --> 00:03:42,540 S4: And just I, you know, over time, the Lord has 69 00:03:42,540 --> 00:03:46,300 S4: just been kind to me to just remind me that 70 00:03:46,300 --> 00:03:49,820 S4: Christ was enough, therefore I am enough, and that he 71 00:03:49,820 --> 00:03:52,660 S4: is not finished with me and that he continues to 72 00:03:52,700 --> 00:03:55,380 S4: work in my life. And it's so it's just been, 73 00:03:55,420 --> 00:03:59,300 S4: you know, scripture and just reminding myself of of who 74 00:03:59,300 --> 00:04:02,100 S4: I am because of Christ and not because of what 75 00:04:02,100 --> 00:04:03,300 S4: I can accomplish. 76 00:04:03,380 --> 00:04:04,620 S3: Mhm. That's good. Yep. 77 00:04:05,180 --> 00:04:09,420 S1: I like that. Okay. Is that Shelly? Shelly. Denise. 78 00:04:09,460 --> 00:04:10,340 S3: Yeah, that was me. 79 00:04:10,660 --> 00:04:10,900 S1: So. 80 00:04:10,940 --> 00:04:13,940 S3: Denise. Denise. For that? No, that was Denise. 81 00:04:14,260 --> 00:04:17,099 S1: What position did you play in basketball? And did you 82 00:04:17,140 --> 00:04:18,980 S1: dream of being in the WNBA? 83 00:04:19,779 --> 00:04:23,420 S4: Well, actually, Chris, when I was in middle school, I 84 00:04:23,420 --> 00:04:26,140 S4: really did hope that there wasn't I don't even know 85 00:04:26,140 --> 00:04:28,700 S4: if there was a WNBA at that point. It's been 86 00:04:28,700 --> 00:04:32,820 S4: so long ago. Here's the funny. I played forward, but 87 00:04:33,500 --> 00:04:36,700 S4: but I was in Oklahoma and we were the last 88 00:04:36,700 --> 00:04:42,140 S4: state to turn from three on three to or, you know, 89 00:04:42,180 --> 00:04:44,940 S4: six on six versus five on five. And so I 90 00:04:44,940 --> 00:04:47,380 S4: was kind of like a point guard, but I was 91 00:04:47,380 --> 00:04:49,339 S4: really a forward. Does that make sense? 92 00:04:49,460 --> 00:04:50,580 S1: Okay. So is it. 93 00:04:50,620 --> 00:04:50,820 S4: Did. 94 00:04:50,820 --> 00:04:52,110 S1: You know they called it? Did you. 95 00:04:52,110 --> 00:04:52,390 S3: Know. 96 00:04:52,950 --> 00:04:56,550 S1: That I called it, uh, when we played in elementary school. 97 00:04:56,550 --> 00:04:59,990 S1: It was roving forward. The roving forward. Is that what 98 00:04:59,990 --> 00:05:00,550 S1: you played? 99 00:05:00,950 --> 00:05:03,589 S4: Probably. Yeah, I would say I was, you know, I 100 00:05:03,589 --> 00:05:06,750 S4: was up front. I wasn't a big man, so I was. 101 00:05:07,029 --> 00:05:09,029 S3: Me and me and Shelly just cheered on the side. 102 00:05:09,029 --> 00:05:10,870 S3: We don't have a clue. There you go. 103 00:05:11,190 --> 00:05:13,589 S1: Shelly, did you have any of that voice of doubt? 104 00:05:13,630 --> 00:05:16,350 S1: You know, the self-talk thing that you had to overcome? 105 00:05:16,950 --> 00:05:20,030 S5: Oh, yes. I mean, mine goes kind of goes back 106 00:05:20,029 --> 00:05:25,349 S5: to high school too. Um, and, and it's funny because 107 00:05:25,350 --> 00:05:28,710 S5: I was kind of known as at least in like 108 00:05:28,710 --> 00:05:31,110 S5: the choir program at my school as like one of 109 00:05:31,110 --> 00:05:34,110 S5: the quote unquote, like good singers or, you know, she's 110 00:05:34,110 --> 00:05:36,710 S5: one of the ones that can sing and she'll from 111 00:05:36,710 --> 00:05:41,429 S5: time to time get a solo. But I remember I 112 00:05:41,470 --> 00:05:45,110 S5: never tried out for a musical ever, because it was 113 00:05:45,110 --> 00:05:47,790 S5: out of my comfort zone. And I was so afraid 114 00:05:47,790 --> 00:05:51,520 S5: that I wouldn't get a part. And I totally would have, 115 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:56,160 S5: you know, but I was so fearful of, of failing 116 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:00,320 S5: and also disappointing my parents, which is absolutely crazy because 117 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,280 S5: they were so supportive and would not have cared, um, 118 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:08,520 S5: at all, but I just not trying things based off 119 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,000 S5: of fear and based off of rejection would be a 120 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,880 S5: big thing for me. And I don't know, I just 121 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:17,920 S5: think it's true. Like the older you get and the 122 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,159 S5: more you learn about the Lord, you just go, you 123 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,160 S5: know what? Like you're no matter what you get or 124 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,839 S5: don't get, you and your own flesh are never enough. 125 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,159 S5: So once you kind of accept that, then it gives 126 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:34,720 S5: you like the power I think, to, to try new 127 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,040 S5: things and not worry about, you know, to do your 128 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:38,480 S5: best and then let the chips fall. 129 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,599 S1: That fear can really control you all through your life, reading. 130 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:43,119 S3: All. 131 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:43,920 S5: Through your life. 132 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,920 S1: A biography, an autobiography of a, of an actor who 133 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,320 S1: said that. He laments the fact that we don't allow 134 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,760 S1: younger people to fail anymore. He said, I failed so much. 135 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,320 S1: I learned so much from the failures in my life. 136 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,040 S1: And we think we raise kids to think you got 137 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,480 S1: to succeed and you got to do everything all right. 138 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,600 S1: And it's like, no, that's not the way life is, 139 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:07,240 S1: is it? 140 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,679 S5: Yeah. There's no there's if I can say one thing, 141 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,120 S5: I think the three of us could all say we 142 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,520 S5: have resilience. I don't know that our kids have as 143 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,160 S5: much as we do, you know, and that's something that 144 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,360 S5: trying and failing builds. And you want to protect your 145 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,720 S5: kids and you want them to get everything and you 146 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:27,720 S5: try to help them along to, to be able to 147 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,040 S5: do that. And I don't know if it's really helping. 148 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:30,560 S5: You know. 149 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,640 S1: Lee, three years ago, your mom had been playing at 150 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,400 S1: the church for 48 years as a church pianist. So 151 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,200 S1: now it's been 51 years as she's still playing. 152 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:47,929 S3: She is still playing. And she she actually was struggling 153 00:07:48,210 --> 00:07:51,130 S3: because she couldn't see the music very well. And so 154 00:07:51,570 --> 00:07:54,170 S3: you talk about the little whisper in her ear. She 155 00:07:54,170 --> 00:07:57,050 S3: was thinking to herself, I'm not going to be able 156 00:07:57,050 --> 00:08:00,210 S3: to keep doing this because I can't keep up. And, um, 157 00:08:00,210 --> 00:08:03,770 S3: so she had cataract surgery and now she is playing 158 00:08:03,770 --> 00:08:06,530 S3: the piano like, like a crazy woman. 159 00:08:06,570 --> 00:08:07,730 S4: Just excited. 160 00:08:07,770 --> 00:08:11,130 S3: Excited to play again with beautiful, brand new eyes. 161 00:08:12,210 --> 00:08:15,330 S1: Excellent. Oh, I'm so glad to hear it. All right, 162 00:08:15,330 --> 00:08:18,770 S1: so I have tons of questions for you, but one 163 00:08:18,770 --> 00:08:20,650 S1: of the reasons why you're here is I want people 164 00:08:20,650 --> 00:08:23,050 S1: to hear a little bit of the music from the 165 00:08:23,050 --> 00:08:27,250 S1: new album. We have it linked at Chris Fabry live.org. 166 00:08:27,290 --> 00:08:29,090 S1: This is one of the songs that I wanted you 167 00:08:29,090 --> 00:08:32,250 S1: to hear, at least some of it's titled Star Band 168 00:08:32,490 --> 00:08:36,810 S1: from point of Grace, right here on Chris Fabry Live. 169 00:08:37,570 --> 00:08:42,290 S1: Can you stand on God's Word? Is it an anchor 170 00:08:42,290 --> 00:08:45,540 S1: for your life? That's from the new album Lady Wisdom 171 00:08:45,540 --> 00:08:48,140 S1: from point of Grace. Before we take a break, I 172 00:08:48,140 --> 00:08:51,619 S1: want you to respond that Lee. Why? Why is this important? 173 00:08:51,660 --> 00:08:53,540 S1: Why is this song important on the album? 174 00:08:54,780 --> 00:08:57,339 S3: Well, the song, it was actually the very, very first 175 00:08:57,340 --> 00:09:02,660 S3: song that was written for this record. Um, it was 176 00:09:02,660 --> 00:09:06,979 S3: a time in my life personally where I was not standing. 177 00:09:06,980 --> 00:09:10,420 S3: I was face down because I had I was going 178 00:09:10,420 --> 00:09:13,860 S3: through such grief and sorrow, losing my father in law, 179 00:09:13,860 --> 00:09:18,860 S3: and 16 days later, losing my dad, um, very unexpectedly 180 00:09:18,860 --> 00:09:24,860 S3: and was just paralyzed by grief and extreme pain. And 181 00:09:24,860 --> 00:09:28,700 S3: at the same time, Denise was also going through a 182 00:09:28,700 --> 00:09:32,660 S3: family trauma with her son. Um, and she was having 183 00:09:32,660 --> 00:09:35,300 S3: a hard time standing, too. And so when we went 184 00:09:35,300 --> 00:09:39,059 S3: into that writing room, we went in very vulnerable, very 185 00:09:39,059 --> 00:09:45,179 S3: transparent about we feel numb. We feel. We feel like 186 00:09:45,179 --> 00:09:48,220 S3: it's going to we're going to require more than just 187 00:09:48,220 --> 00:09:51,860 S3: somebody leaning, you know, leaning on someone's shoulder. But we're 188 00:09:51,860 --> 00:09:55,219 S3: going to really need God's strength to empower us in 189 00:09:55,220 --> 00:09:58,939 S3: our weakness and be that refuge that he promises that 190 00:09:58,940 --> 00:10:00,420 S3: he will be. Okay. 191 00:10:00,420 --> 00:10:04,100 S1: There's somebody listening right now. There's somebody listening right now 192 00:10:04,100 --> 00:10:06,740 S1: who's staring at the radio and they're saying, I'm going 193 00:10:06,740 --> 00:10:09,740 S1: through exactly the same thing. So let me take a break. 194 00:10:09,740 --> 00:10:12,020 S1: We'll come back and I want you to talk more 195 00:10:12,020 --> 00:10:15,380 S1: about that. The struggle, the, the valley that you both 196 00:10:15,380 --> 00:10:19,180 S1: went through, and then the power of the music that 197 00:10:19,179 --> 00:10:22,340 S1: talks about the power of God's Word. Point of grace 198 00:10:22,380 --> 00:10:25,420 S1: is with us today. Lady wisdom is the first new 199 00:10:25,420 --> 00:10:29,059 S1: album in more than a decade. All new album, all 200 00:10:29,059 --> 00:10:32,860 S1: new songs. There's more coming straight ahead on Moody Radio. 201 00:10:44,390 --> 00:10:47,190 S1: Point of Grace has a new album, Lady Wisdom. We're 202 00:10:47,190 --> 00:10:50,670 S1: talking about all things, about some of the songs that 203 00:10:50,670 --> 00:10:53,390 S1: they've written, that they've sung. I think nine out of 204 00:10:53,390 --> 00:10:58,470 S1: the ten they've co-written. Um, and we just played stand 205 00:10:58,590 --> 00:11:04,470 S1: and we heard right at the end this deep wall of, 206 00:11:04,470 --> 00:11:07,150 S1: of pain that all of you have, have gone through. 207 00:11:07,150 --> 00:11:09,030 S1: And I, this is what one of the things I 208 00:11:09,030 --> 00:11:11,670 S1: wanted to get to today is I see so much 209 00:11:11,670 --> 00:11:14,670 S1: change that I don't like change at all. I see 210 00:11:14,670 --> 00:11:17,990 S1: so much change. I see so much loss. I see 211 00:11:17,990 --> 00:11:21,030 S1: so much struggle. I got an email from a family 212 00:11:21,030 --> 00:11:24,350 S1: member today and a dear friend, you know, has been diagnosed, 213 00:11:24,390 --> 00:11:27,829 S1: you know, diagnoses and all of these things. Yeah. And 214 00:11:27,830 --> 00:11:30,670 S1: when you'd mentioned that about your dad and then Denise, 215 00:11:30,670 --> 00:11:32,790 S1: about your, your son, and you don't have to go 216 00:11:32,790 --> 00:11:35,550 S1: into detail about that, but you got the younger generation, 217 00:11:35,550 --> 00:11:38,030 S1: you got the older generation, and there you are sandwiched 218 00:11:38,030 --> 00:11:40,910 S1: in in the middle of it. So, Denise, how did 219 00:11:40,910 --> 00:11:43,670 S1: you feel about that song stand? 220 00:11:45,070 --> 00:11:47,750 S4: Well, I do think it's one of those that it 221 00:11:47,750 --> 00:11:50,670 S4: was a heart cry of ours, Lord, if we're going 222 00:11:50,710 --> 00:11:53,670 S4: to make if we're going to continue on in this 223 00:11:53,670 --> 00:11:56,070 S4: life of making it through every day, you're going to 224 00:11:56,070 --> 00:11:59,670 S4: have to help me stand. And for me, I had 225 00:11:59,670 --> 00:12:04,030 S4: precious friends who just wrote me little notes and they 226 00:12:04,030 --> 00:12:07,989 S4: would put little scripture in. Because sometimes in our grief, 227 00:12:07,990 --> 00:12:12,550 S4: in our pain, we can't even our brains can't even 228 00:12:13,190 --> 00:12:15,390 S4: dig ourselves in the word at the time. You know, 229 00:12:15,429 --> 00:12:18,590 S4: sometimes you're so numb and you need other people to 230 00:12:18,630 --> 00:12:21,070 S4: come and remind you of his word. And so it 231 00:12:21,070 --> 00:12:24,390 S4: was those scriptures that would would remind me, you know, 232 00:12:24,429 --> 00:12:26,710 S4: the Lord is the one who holds your hand. Do 233 00:12:26,710 --> 00:12:29,470 S4: not fear. Do not be afraid, for he is with you. 234 00:12:29,510 --> 00:12:33,150 S4: You know all of those things that I know those scriptures, 235 00:12:33,150 --> 00:12:37,720 S4: and I have learned those scriptures over my lifetime. But 236 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,000 S4: just to have that reminder through people I know that 237 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,439 S4: love me and are walking with me. And that made 238 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,840 S4: me feel like, um, they would be there beside me, 239 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,440 S4: encouraging me into the Lord, in the Lord. So I 240 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,840 S4: think for us just to say that to, to those 241 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,640 S4: that just to say, I have been there, I've been 242 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,840 S4: on my knees, on my face going, I don't know 243 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,920 S4: how I'm going to stand. And we're just trying to 244 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,679 S4: encourage those who are in that spot, if you will 245 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,679 S4: turn your eyes to him, if you will look to 246 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,000 S4: him and reach, he will reach you and he will 247 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,640 S4: help you to stand. And so that is our hope. 248 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:18,440 S4: And it is everyone we know is going through pain. 249 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,760 S4: I the other day we were, you know, we've, we've 250 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,480 S4: got so many things on our prayer list of friends. 251 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:24,400 S2: It's ridiculous. 252 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,280 S5: Yeah. It's like some of these need to get answered. Lord. 253 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:28,920 S2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 254 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,560 S4: Um, but we also know and his word has proven 255 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,569 S4: himself that he is faithful and he is in control. 256 00:13:36,010 --> 00:13:38,250 S4: And we can't. He can be trusted. 257 00:13:38,290 --> 00:13:38,809 S2: Mhm. 258 00:13:39,690 --> 00:13:41,410 S1: The hard part for me is it's all going on 259 00:13:41,410 --> 00:13:44,930 S1: at the same time, you know? It's all everything's happening 260 00:13:44,929 --> 00:13:46,890 S1: and there's highs over here and there's a baby being 261 00:13:46,890 --> 00:13:51,250 S1: born and there's somebody who's having a memorial service. And Shelly, 262 00:13:51,250 --> 00:13:53,090 S1: how do you come at that song? 263 00:13:53,809 --> 00:13:57,929 S5: Well, I, I always get a picture in that song 264 00:13:57,970 --> 00:14:02,850 S5: of it's, it's like a desperation picture of like, Lord, 265 00:14:02,890 --> 00:14:05,610 S5: it's almost like we're not sure ourselves. Like we're asking 266 00:14:05,610 --> 00:14:09,210 S5: the question. Like I picture someone down on their knees 267 00:14:09,210 --> 00:14:11,610 S5: or just like down in like a literal hole. And 268 00:14:11,610 --> 00:14:14,170 S5: they're just like with everything that's in them, they're like 269 00:14:14,170 --> 00:14:17,689 S5: reaching out. It's as is just as far as they can. 270 00:14:17,690 --> 00:14:20,690 S5: And it's not very far up toward God. And is, 271 00:14:20,730 --> 00:14:23,090 S5: is he going to come down far enough to pull 272 00:14:23,090 --> 00:14:26,130 S5: us up? Like that's the and we're asking that question 273 00:14:26,490 --> 00:14:29,970 S5: in the song. If I reach out my hand, I'm. 274 00:14:29,970 --> 00:14:31,970 S5: I'm really going through something. If I reach it out 275 00:14:31,970 --> 00:14:33,530 S5: even just a little bit, Will you pull me up? 276 00:14:33,530 --> 00:14:36,130 S5: Will you help me to stand? Will you? You know 277 00:14:36,170 --> 00:14:38,330 S5: that's how you feel sometimes you're like, ah, are you 278 00:14:38,330 --> 00:14:40,290 S5: going to be there? Can we trust that? But I 279 00:14:40,290 --> 00:14:43,130 S5: love the bridge of the song where we we kind 280 00:14:43,170 --> 00:14:45,930 S5: of answer the question. We say, yes, you're the rock 281 00:14:45,930 --> 00:14:48,690 S5: I set my feet upon. You're holding me and all 282 00:14:48,730 --> 00:14:51,450 S5: other things together. And so that's the promise. So we 283 00:14:51,450 --> 00:14:53,970 S5: will not fall completely apart. It may feel like we 284 00:14:53,970 --> 00:14:56,530 S5: are in the process of doing that sometimes in our pain, 285 00:14:56,530 --> 00:15:00,890 S5: but we will not fall completely apart. And sometimes you 286 00:15:00,930 --> 00:15:03,370 S5: got to ask somebody else to hold up your hand 287 00:15:03,450 --> 00:15:05,250 S5: just a little bit, because you can't even do it 288 00:15:05,250 --> 00:15:08,530 S5: for yourself, you know? And so that's kind of what, 289 00:15:08,530 --> 00:15:12,810 S5: what I think about when I think about desperation, um, 290 00:15:12,890 --> 00:15:15,450 S5: when I listen to that song, um, there's a lot 291 00:15:15,450 --> 00:15:17,690 S5: of if I do this, will you do this? Yes, 292 00:15:17,690 --> 00:15:18,210 S5: you will. 293 00:15:18,410 --> 00:15:20,770 S1: There's a lot of people though, who have kind of 294 00:15:20,770 --> 00:15:23,530 S1: walked away because they felt like what they'd signed up 295 00:15:23,530 --> 00:15:26,290 S1: for was one thing, and what they got was another 296 00:15:26,290 --> 00:15:28,650 S1: with God. You know, if I do this with my kids, 297 00:15:28,650 --> 00:15:30,530 S1: then they're all going to turn out, if I could 298 00:15:30,530 --> 00:15:32,660 S1: do this in my marriage, then it's all going to, 299 00:15:32,700 --> 00:15:35,740 S1: you know, turn out and it hasn't. And so they've 300 00:15:35,780 --> 00:15:38,980 S1: turned from God because he didn't hold up his end 301 00:15:38,980 --> 00:15:42,140 S1: of the bargain, that he didn't necessarily say that was 302 00:15:42,140 --> 00:15:44,860 S1: part of the bargain. And that's the hard part is to, 303 00:15:45,020 --> 00:15:47,460 S1: to try to figure out what is so, so the 304 00:15:47,820 --> 00:15:51,780 S1: standing is all about, am I going to trust him 305 00:15:52,060 --> 00:15:54,900 S1: even if I don't see some of the things that 306 00:15:54,900 --> 00:15:57,740 S1: I thought were supposed to be happening? Will I trust him? 307 00:15:57,740 --> 00:15:58,780 S2: Right, right. 308 00:15:58,820 --> 00:16:01,260 S5: That's right. Right. And I would ask that person that's 309 00:16:01,260 --> 00:16:03,980 S5: done that the question, who else under heaven do you 310 00:16:04,020 --> 00:16:06,300 S5: have with him? Where else are you going to turn 311 00:16:06,300 --> 00:16:09,180 S5: to yourself? I mean, you can try that, but it 312 00:16:09,180 --> 00:16:12,180 S5: is not going to be good, you know. And so 313 00:16:12,740 --> 00:16:15,940 S5: I think that but people have to everybody has to 314 00:16:15,940 --> 00:16:17,300 S5: figure it out. You know. 315 00:16:17,740 --> 00:16:21,460 S3: I mean, David was a great example of talk about 316 00:16:21,460 --> 00:16:28,820 S3: lamenting and calling out in absolute desperation. But, um, I do, 317 00:16:28,860 --> 00:16:32,070 S3: I do know that this is where it's key to 318 00:16:32,070 --> 00:16:36,150 S3: have the body around you. Um, in those times of 319 00:16:36,150 --> 00:16:39,910 S3: numbness and paralyzation, that they can hold you up and 320 00:16:39,910 --> 00:16:44,350 S3: reintroduce you to God's Word at the appropriate time and 321 00:16:45,270 --> 00:16:48,910 S3: the faithfulness of God that we can't see. Um, his 322 00:16:48,910 --> 00:16:53,670 S3: track record for me, for me, my sadness and my, 323 00:16:53,710 --> 00:16:58,070 S3: my grief, um, still had a celebration at the end 324 00:16:58,070 --> 00:17:00,070 S3: of it because I knew I would see my dad 325 00:17:00,070 --> 00:17:03,510 S3: again and I knew I would see red again. It 326 00:17:03,510 --> 00:17:06,869 S3: was a different type of pain that on earth I 327 00:17:06,869 --> 00:17:11,189 S3: was struggling with. I didn't want to laugh anymore. I didn't, um, 328 00:17:11,670 --> 00:17:13,869 S3: I didn't know how to enter a room without him 329 00:17:13,869 --> 00:17:18,629 S3: being in that room. And where we can ask God 330 00:17:18,790 --> 00:17:21,950 S3: in our everyday life to have eyes to see and 331 00:17:21,950 --> 00:17:26,830 S3: ears to hear, and discernment to those that are entering 332 00:17:26,830 --> 00:17:29,230 S3: a room that don't want to be there. To me, 333 00:17:29,230 --> 00:17:31,790 S3: that is another part of this song. Help me to 334 00:17:31,830 --> 00:17:34,190 S3: stand in the gap for those people as well. 335 00:17:35,630 --> 00:17:38,670 S1: Are you? When you sing then do you think about him? 336 00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:41,670 S1: Do you. Do you imagine? Yeah. 337 00:17:42,390 --> 00:17:45,109 S3: Absolutely. I mean, when I sing, I'm always thinking of 338 00:17:45,109 --> 00:17:48,030 S3: my daddy because he always was singing. If he wasn't singing, 339 00:17:48,030 --> 00:17:48,990 S3: he was whistling. 340 00:17:50,030 --> 00:17:52,590 S5: I always think about her daddy after we sing, because 341 00:17:52,590 --> 00:17:54,949 S5: he would always bring us snacks and food when he 342 00:17:54,950 --> 00:17:55,350 S5: would come. 343 00:17:57,990 --> 00:18:01,270 S1: And the hope of heaven to the hope of seeing 344 00:18:01,270 --> 00:18:04,950 S1: him again. That is. Yep. Um, there's one song on here. 345 00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:06,870 S1: I won't play it now. The night will be no more. 346 00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:10,669 S1: You know that has some of that longing in it. 347 00:18:10,670 --> 00:18:13,270 S1: And that brings me to the power of music. I 348 00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:15,270 S1: was listening to a few of your songs a little 349 00:18:15,270 --> 00:18:18,070 S1: earlier today, and Circle of Friends and Jesus will still 350 00:18:18,070 --> 00:18:20,949 S1: be there, and all I had to do was listen 351 00:18:20,950 --> 00:18:24,510 S1: to the intro of the song. And I'm right back there, 352 00:18:24,550 --> 00:18:27,199 S1: you know, 25, 30 years ago when I first heard 353 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:31,120 S1: it or was playing that. Why is music so powerful? 354 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,480 S1: Why can it do that? Do you have any idea? 355 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,439 S3: I wonder if it's because it has a point of reference. 356 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,880 S3: You can go back to a certain time in your 357 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:44,560 S3: life and either that time is joyous or not, but 358 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,040 S3: it's a point of reference. And you know, for me, 359 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,760 S3: certain songs, especially the year I graduated high school, because 360 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,640 S3: I remember the the prom, you know, certain songs, it's 361 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,280 S3: a point of reference. And, um, I have certain songs 362 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,879 S3: that I play. Um, I have a little routine that I'll, 363 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:07,440 S3: I'll do certain mornings getting ready for church and it's 364 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,959 S3: a point of reference. It just, it, it removes my 365 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,440 S3: humanity as best it can, and it allows me to 366 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,840 S3: enter into a time of worship because that music just, 367 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:23,159 S3: it removes the barriers of my everyday nonsense and helps 368 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,760 S3: remind me of what worship is. It's to to center 369 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,760 S3: my soul, um, to recognize the King of Kings and 370 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:31,760 S3: the Lord of lords. 371 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,679 S1: That's really good. Okay. Somebody else will say something. Go ahead. 372 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,080 S4: Oh, no. I was just saying. I just think it's 373 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:42,600 S4: a gift that the Lord created in us. Music is 374 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:46,560 S4: something that translates in the brain through the heart and 375 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,840 S4: all of that. You know, you think you hear about 376 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:54,720 S4: people with dementia, that or Alzheimer's and, and it's music 377 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,840 S4: that they recognize. And, and so I think it's just 378 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:04,520 S4: a gift that God gave humans to, uh, hear and 379 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,320 S4: feel in a different way. 380 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:12,000 S3: Don't you find it interesting, Chris, that music and singing 381 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,680 S3: will be what we do forever? 382 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:14,119 S1: Mhm. 383 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:15,440 S3: So it's pretty important. 384 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:20,159 S1: Well, and that that's what God, he made us to sing. 385 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,450 S1: He made us to to praise. And we, even those who, 386 00:20:23,490 --> 00:20:29,129 S1: you know, don't believe God exists, praise something. They believe something. 387 00:20:29,130 --> 00:20:31,730 S1: Even if they say they believe in nothing, they believe 388 00:20:31,730 --> 00:20:32,530 S1: in it, you know? 389 00:20:32,570 --> 00:20:33,090 S2: Right. 390 00:20:33,210 --> 00:20:35,690 S1: And so it is. It is in the DNA. But 391 00:20:35,690 --> 00:20:37,609 S1: the thing that gets me is I was just I 392 00:20:37,690 --> 00:20:41,130 S1: got an email this morning of a family member who 393 00:20:41,130 --> 00:20:44,450 S1: has a dear friend who's had a diagnosis. And as 394 00:20:44,450 --> 00:20:46,730 S1: soon as I started reading about and they've had a 395 00:20:46,770 --> 00:20:50,290 S1: friendship for 50 or 60 years, and as soon as 396 00:20:50,290 --> 00:20:52,570 S1: I started reading it, I started thinking of a song 397 00:20:52,570 --> 00:20:54,890 S1: from the time just like your prom song, that you, 398 00:20:54,930 --> 00:20:56,649 S1: you know, came back to your mind. I started thinking 399 00:20:56,650 --> 00:21:01,010 S1: a song. I bet they listened to Billy Joel singing. 400 00:21:01,050 --> 00:21:04,610 S1: You know, this song over here. And it's like, that 401 00:21:04,609 --> 00:21:08,330 S1: stuff is written on the inside, you know, and it 402 00:21:08,330 --> 00:21:11,930 S1: and it can be used for really bad things and 403 00:21:11,930 --> 00:21:14,370 S1: it can be used for great good as well. 404 00:21:14,410 --> 00:21:14,890 S2: Right. 405 00:21:15,010 --> 00:21:18,050 S1: And I'm so glad that you, uh, got in the 406 00:21:18,050 --> 00:21:21,139 S1: studio and got in that writing room. And you, you 407 00:21:21,180 --> 00:21:23,780 S1: came up, you hammered out these songs. I don't know 408 00:21:23,780 --> 00:21:26,060 S1: how hard it was to come up with them. But 409 00:21:26,060 --> 00:21:30,100 S1: you wrote these songs. Lady wisdom is the title of 410 00:21:30,100 --> 00:21:32,820 S1: the album. Tell me where that song came from. Is 411 00:21:32,820 --> 00:21:34,740 S1: it about Proverbs? Wisdom? 412 00:21:35,260 --> 00:21:39,660 S5: Yeah it is. Um, Lady Wisdom comes from the book 413 00:21:39,660 --> 00:21:42,899 S5: of Proverbs. Um, chapters eight and nine, I think is 414 00:21:42,900 --> 00:21:45,980 S5: where she makes her first appearance. But, um, it's, it's 415 00:21:45,980 --> 00:21:51,580 S5: a personification of God's wisdom and taking on the form 416 00:21:51,580 --> 00:21:55,820 S5: of a lady. Um, and it's, it's really just a, 417 00:21:56,420 --> 00:21:58,699 S5: a way, like a way of writing a figure of 418 00:21:58,700 --> 00:22:04,619 S5: speech to make wisdom, um, be more, I guess, understandable 419 00:22:04,619 --> 00:22:08,540 S5: and relatable to the reader. And so it's kind of that, 420 00:22:08,580 --> 00:22:12,420 S5: that type of writing that, that King Solomon used. But, um, 421 00:22:13,300 --> 00:22:16,459 S5: you know, lady wisdom, we want to know her. We want, 422 00:22:16,500 --> 00:22:20,300 S5: we want to study her ways. And you know, the 423 00:22:20,300 --> 00:22:23,699 S5: Proverbs say she existed before time began, meaning not a 424 00:22:23,700 --> 00:22:28,620 S5: literal person, but the wisdom of God. And there's just 425 00:22:28,619 --> 00:22:33,300 S5: so many little nuggets in Proverbs. I mean, you know, 426 00:22:33,460 --> 00:22:35,300 S5: if you took them like a pill and swallowed one 427 00:22:35,300 --> 00:22:37,219 S5: a day, I mean, you'd be in really good health 428 00:22:38,420 --> 00:22:42,460 S5: because they are just so such good directions for, for living. 429 00:22:42,460 --> 00:22:44,980 S5: And so we just wanted to take some of those 430 00:22:44,980 --> 00:22:48,100 S5: and shape an album around them. 431 00:22:48,500 --> 00:22:51,380 S1: It's a wonderful album and it's a great thought. And. 432 00:22:51,540 --> 00:22:54,460 S1: 31 Proverbs. So you can take one like May is 433 00:22:54,460 --> 00:22:56,660 S1: 31 days. So you could take one and read one 434 00:22:56,660 --> 00:22:59,340 S1: every day. Let's hear a little bit of Lady wisdom. 435 00:22:59,340 --> 00:23:01,700 S1: This is the new album from point of Grace, and 436 00:23:01,700 --> 00:23:07,820 S1: we'll also take your calls at (877) 548-3675. Today on Chris 437 00:23:07,859 --> 00:23:25,790 S1: Fabry Live. Denise, Shelley and Lee. Point of grace with 438 00:23:25,790 --> 00:23:28,950 S1: us today. The new album is Lady Wisdom and this 439 00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:33,390 S1: is Fire. Okay, that's the song fire. That's the new 440 00:23:33,390 --> 00:23:36,190 S1: song from point of Grace. Lady wisdom is the album. 441 00:23:36,190 --> 00:23:39,270 S1: And I gotta say, when I heard the the banjo, 442 00:23:39,310 --> 00:23:41,310 S1: I hear a little bit of banjo that's in. 443 00:23:41,310 --> 00:23:43,550 S2: There and then that. 444 00:23:43,790 --> 00:23:47,030 S1: And then that, uh, that harmony that you have in 445 00:23:47,070 --> 00:23:50,310 S1: that wow, like that is like Cindy Morgan had to 446 00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:52,949 S1: be a part of this project. Was she a. 447 00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:53,310 S2: Part. 448 00:23:53,630 --> 00:23:54,470 S4: I guess? 449 00:23:54,510 --> 00:23:55,030 S2: Oh yeah. 450 00:23:55,070 --> 00:23:57,190 S3: Her thumb prints all over it. 451 00:23:58,190 --> 00:24:01,670 S1: I love it, I love it and, and so what 452 00:24:01,670 --> 00:24:04,630 S1: are you saying there? You want God ignite this? That 453 00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:07,750 S1: was in there a long time ago and bring it back, right? 454 00:24:07,790 --> 00:24:11,190 S3: Yeah, yeah. Cindy and Keith were talking in a room, 455 00:24:11,550 --> 00:24:13,350 S3: and they were just talking about the fact that, first 456 00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:15,390 S3: of all, that they were grateful that they grew up 457 00:24:15,390 --> 00:24:19,110 S3: in Christian homes and being grateful in that. And sometimes 458 00:24:19,109 --> 00:24:22,590 S3: growing up in Christian homes, it's to be assumed your 459 00:24:22,590 --> 00:24:24,630 S3: faith is to be assumed and all that. And she 460 00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:28,429 S3: was just saying that she wanted to make sure that 461 00:24:28,430 --> 00:24:31,270 S3: her fire never burned out. And as she's the hands 462 00:24:31,270 --> 00:24:34,750 S3: and feet of Christ that, um, her fire stays ignited. 463 00:24:34,750 --> 00:24:36,390 S3: So that's what that song's about. 464 00:24:37,310 --> 00:24:41,150 S1: Love it. Okay, so we do this series called Voices 465 00:24:41,150 --> 00:24:43,629 S1: of Wisdom, and it's usually for people who are a 466 00:24:43,630 --> 00:24:46,230 S1: lot older, it's like double your age. Okay. 467 00:24:46,270 --> 00:24:48,109 S2: Yes. Of course. 468 00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:50,230 S1: What I like to say is people are a little 469 00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:52,550 S1: further down the trail than I am, and you're not. 470 00:24:52,550 --> 00:24:57,070 S1: So it's like, but but since this album is about wisdom, 471 00:24:57,270 --> 00:25:00,669 S1: I thought I can ask you some wisdom questions here. 472 00:25:00,670 --> 00:25:03,750 S1: The things, especially for people who aren't, you know, are 473 00:25:03,790 --> 00:25:08,070 S1: coming up behind you. So here's, here's the, the one 474 00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:10,830 S1: question I was thinking about this morning. You meant it 475 00:25:10,830 --> 00:25:13,720 S1: for evil. God meant it for good. Is there anything 476 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,680 S1: in your life, individually or as a group, that pops 477 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,400 S1: into your mind that kind of fits into that Joseph 478 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,120 S1: perspective when he was talking to his brothers? 479 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,840 S3: Um, well, there's a lot of things that pop through. 480 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,520 S3: First of all, Joseph is my favorite Bible story. I 481 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:34,840 S3: love that you referenced that, but, um, kind of answering 482 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,280 S3: your question and going back to the very first one, um, 483 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:43,639 S3: just as far as that whisper, I think oftentimes when 484 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,920 S3: you part of my story is that I have a 485 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:52,400 S3: lot of baggage, a lot of sin baggage. And oftentimes 486 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,879 S3: growing up in the Christian, growing up in a Christian home, you, you, 487 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,760 S3: you miss a very important step. And that is to 488 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,560 S3: understand what Christ did on the cross and that it 489 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,840 S3: was enough for all sin, every sin, even my own sin. 490 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,530 S3: And there's not anything that can separate us from the 491 00:26:13,530 --> 00:26:18,090 S3: love of Christ. And for me, I thought, well, what 492 00:26:18,090 --> 00:26:20,450 S3: I had done in my past was going to be 493 00:26:20,770 --> 00:26:24,530 S3: so bad that God couldn't use me. And what he 494 00:26:24,530 --> 00:26:31,970 S3: redeemed out of my miry pit verifies, proves it, exalts 495 00:26:31,970 --> 00:26:36,490 S3: who Jesus is. And he's a Redeemer. He is a forgiver. 496 00:26:36,850 --> 00:26:41,890 S3: He is full of mercy. And where my sin is, 497 00:26:41,890 --> 00:26:46,490 S3: his grace is more. And so that's my Joseph's story. 498 00:26:46,530 --> 00:26:50,410 S3: He redeemed my past because of what he did on 499 00:26:50,410 --> 00:26:51,050 S3: the cross. 500 00:26:52,450 --> 00:26:56,130 S1: And that grace is available for anybody. See, I think 501 00:26:56,130 --> 00:26:58,530 S1: that we were talking about singles issues, and a lot 502 00:26:58,530 --> 00:27:01,090 S1: of people who walk into church as a single feel 503 00:27:01,090 --> 00:27:04,290 S1: out of place, or they feel like I've got to 504 00:27:04,290 --> 00:27:08,090 S1: fit into, you know, the family group or whatever it is. 505 00:27:08,490 --> 00:27:11,410 S1: And then a lot of people feel like, well, Christians 506 00:27:11,410 --> 00:27:15,170 S1: are people who smile at everything and nothing ever gets 507 00:27:15,170 --> 00:27:18,770 S1: them down and they don't struggle at all. And if you, 508 00:27:18,810 --> 00:27:20,650 S1: you know, you can play that game for a while. 509 00:27:21,250 --> 00:27:23,050 S1: What have you said a little bit ago? You play 510 00:27:23,050 --> 00:27:25,210 S1: that game for a while, but at some point you 511 00:27:25,250 --> 00:27:28,570 S1: got to realize you're not doing this in your own strength. 512 00:27:28,570 --> 00:27:32,250 S1: You're not being forgiven because you're so good. You're being 513 00:27:32,250 --> 00:27:37,330 S1: forgiven because he was so good to die in your place, right? 514 00:27:37,530 --> 00:27:38,170 S2: That's right. 515 00:27:38,210 --> 00:27:39,250 S3: That's exactly right. 516 00:27:40,850 --> 00:27:43,810 S1: Who else wants to add to that? That was pretty good. 517 00:27:44,730 --> 00:27:45,130 S2: Yeah. 518 00:27:45,890 --> 00:27:46,490 S4: That was pretty. 519 00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:47,490 S2: Good. I can beat it. 520 00:27:47,530 --> 00:27:51,530 S4: Yeah. No, I just think that what what he has 521 00:27:51,530 --> 00:27:56,409 S4: done is the places where maybe I feel like looking back, 522 00:27:56,930 --> 00:28:02,330 S4: I wish I had done some things differently in parenting. Um, 523 00:28:03,690 --> 00:28:07,380 S4: I wish that I wouldn't have worked so hard in 524 00:28:07,420 --> 00:28:11,660 S4: trying to show my kids what a godly person looks 525 00:28:11,660 --> 00:28:15,500 S4: like and just let them see my relationship with Jesus. 526 00:28:15,500 --> 00:28:16,979 S4: And I don't know if that makes sense, but I 527 00:28:16,980 --> 00:28:19,460 S4: just worked hard and this is what it looks like 528 00:28:19,460 --> 00:28:21,300 S4: to be a Christian. This is what you guys need 529 00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:27,140 S4: to do. And let them just see that Christ is 530 00:28:27,820 --> 00:28:32,060 S4: dealing with me every day. And, um, so for that, 531 00:28:32,060 --> 00:28:35,460 S4: I think I have a lot of grace and some 532 00:28:35,460 --> 00:28:40,340 S4: of the areas where I know that I failed, I 533 00:28:40,380 --> 00:28:45,180 S4: have grace for parents whose kids make choices or things 534 00:28:45,180 --> 00:28:47,940 S4: happen because I've, I've walked some of that and I 535 00:28:47,940 --> 00:28:51,340 S4: can say, you know, I just, I just have a 536 00:28:51,340 --> 00:28:55,620 S4: lot more grace for people because I've messed up and therefore. 537 00:28:55,620 --> 00:28:55,860 S2: Because. 538 00:28:55,860 --> 00:28:56,340 S5: We're idiots. 539 00:28:56,340 --> 00:28:56,740 S2: Too. 540 00:28:58,980 --> 00:29:00,980 S5: That's the bottom line. I mean, we all are. 541 00:29:01,180 --> 00:29:02,580 S2: Yeah. Yeah. 542 00:29:02,620 --> 00:29:03,140 S5: You know, and. 543 00:29:03,140 --> 00:29:05,670 S1: The wonderful thing about that, the wonderful thing about that 544 00:29:05,670 --> 00:29:09,710 S1: is that there's time. Now, you know, you don't you 545 00:29:09,710 --> 00:29:12,990 S1: can you can live in regret and guilt and shame. 546 00:29:12,990 --> 00:29:15,470 S1: And that's exactly what the enemy wants you to do. 547 00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:18,430 S1: What Jesus wants you to do is live in forgiveness 548 00:29:18,430 --> 00:29:21,630 S1: and grace. Yes, fully right here, right now. 549 00:29:22,150 --> 00:29:24,910 S5: It is never too late to right the ship. Never. 550 00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:25,750 S2: That's right. Right. 551 00:29:25,790 --> 00:29:28,230 S3: That's right. And I think one of the things that 552 00:29:28,270 --> 00:29:31,750 S3: when when Denise was talking about talking about parenting and stuff, 553 00:29:31,790 --> 00:29:34,430 S3: I mean, hey, I'd love, I'd love a do over. 554 00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:37,990 S3: I mean, are you kidding me? Yeah. Um, but one 555 00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:40,910 S3: thing that a, a dear, dear friend of mine, she 556 00:29:40,910 --> 00:29:43,750 S3: would say to me, she would say, now, you know, 557 00:29:43,790 --> 00:29:45,990 S3: just remember one of the greatest things you can do 558 00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:49,590 S3: for your kids is this if they see you argue, 559 00:29:49,630 --> 00:29:53,390 S3: make sure they see you forgive one another. And she 560 00:29:53,390 --> 00:29:59,030 S3: just said, live out life, but live life with Christ 561 00:29:59,190 --> 00:30:03,310 S3: as the one that corrects your wrong. And it can 562 00:30:03,310 --> 00:30:07,310 S3: be in the simplest things. I mean, the simplest things 563 00:30:07,310 --> 00:30:11,310 S3: we try to we try to use manners in our house. 564 00:30:11,310 --> 00:30:13,270 S3: Now we yell a lot, but we do use try 565 00:30:13,310 --> 00:30:20,190 S3: to use manners and the simplicity of saying thank you, um, please, 566 00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:24,229 S3: all those things, it transcends time. It doesn't, you know, 567 00:30:24,270 --> 00:30:27,150 S3: it doesn't matter what your age is, but I just 568 00:30:27,150 --> 00:30:31,750 S3: think we could show a lot more kindness in our 569 00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:35,270 S3: faith and towards one another, and especially to, to those 570 00:30:35,270 --> 00:30:38,270 S3: that we love because it's the ones we love that 571 00:30:38,270 --> 00:30:42,670 S3: we are brutal to sometimes. Yes. Um, and I just 572 00:30:42,670 --> 00:30:45,950 S3: think parenting, I would love a few do overs just 573 00:30:45,950 --> 00:30:48,870 S3: to be able to tell my kids, hey, I know, 574 00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:51,030 S3: you know, mom's not perfect, but I'm just going to 575 00:30:51,030 --> 00:30:55,470 S3: wear the banner today. I am so left of center. 576 00:30:55,470 --> 00:30:58,230 S3: And because of that, I just want you to know 577 00:30:58,430 --> 00:31:03,720 S3: that in spite of my humanity. I'm so glad that 578 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:09,480 S3: the Lord is living in me and loves me in 579 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:10,680 S3: spite of myself. 580 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,440 S1: I think you've just put your finger on the nerve 581 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,680 S1: of why your music has reached the numbers of people 582 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,640 S1: and the depth. And that is because you're just real 583 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,320 S1: people living under the mercy and the grace of God 584 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,560 S1: and making mistakes, just like the disciples. I love reading 585 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,680 S1: the Gospels and seeing what knuckleheads, the disciples. It encourages me. 586 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,000 S1: And they wrote. They didn't make it all pretty. They're, 587 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,360 S1: you know, they they showed their foibles as well. And 588 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,200 S1: it comes through in the music of point of Grace. 589 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,479 S1: Lady wisdom is the new album. We haven't looked at 590 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,560 S1: Chris fabriclive.org. You can find it right there. Chris Fabriclive 591 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,760 S1: dot ORG. More with Shelley, Denise and Lee coming up 592 00:31:53,760 --> 00:32:06,880 S1: straight ahead on Moody Radio. It's just like old home week. 593 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,440 S1: Like going home when point of grace comes along. Lady 594 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,440 S1: wisdom is the new album. You can find it linked 595 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:17,880 S1: at the website. Chris Fabry live.org. Chris fabriclive.org. Here's a 596 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,560 S1: little of their song. Hard, right? Oh that'll speak. Sometimes 597 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,600 S1: you got to choose a hard right over an easier wrong. 598 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,360 S1: There's a lot of longing in that song, and a 599 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,360 S1: lot of brokenness and a lot of struggle. And I 600 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,800 S1: want the pieces to fit in my life. Okay. Who 601 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,080 S1: wants to talk about that one? 602 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:37,160 S5: Oh. 603 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:37,840 S2: Well. 604 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,600 S5: You missed my joke because you're being nice about the song. 605 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,800 S5: But I said, oh man, that girl singing it so good. 606 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,080 S5: That was me. Shelley Breen. Um, no. For real? Um, 607 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:54,960 S5: that actually, that phrase comes from something called the Cadets Prayer, 608 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,210 S5: which is a Christian prayer that the cadets that attend 609 00:32:59,250 --> 00:33:05,090 S5: West Point Academy have to learn. And I love the 610 00:33:05,090 --> 00:33:10,530 S5: line that says, Lord, grant me the courage to do 611 00:33:10,570 --> 00:33:15,730 S5: the thing that is a hard right over an easier wrong. 612 00:33:15,730 --> 00:33:20,770 S5: And I just always loved that line. And I think 613 00:33:20,770 --> 00:33:23,770 S5: that's a lot of what the Christian life is, is that, 614 00:33:24,210 --> 00:33:29,330 S5: you know, God is God is asking us to live 615 00:33:29,330 --> 00:33:35,210 S5: holy lives. And that's not our natural bent. You know, 616 00:33:35,250 --> 00:33:39,810 S5: when we're born and when we receive the Holy Spirit, 617 00:33:39,850 --> 00:33:44,250 S5: he gives us power to choose the right thing over 618 00:33:44,250 --> 00:33:48,130 S5: the wrong thing. Um, but it's not always the easiest way. 619 00:33:48,170 --> 00:33:50,209 S5: A lot of times we have to lose something or 620 00:33:50,210 --> 00:33:54,490 S5: we're going to have to sacrifice something to pick the hard. Right. 621 00:33:54,770 --> 00:33:58,540 S5: And so but like the song says that that's what's 622 00:33:58,540 --> 00:34:02,940 S5: going to bring you ultimate peace. And so I guess 623 00:34:02,940 --> 00:34:05,180 S5: the song's just kind of an encouragement to people that 624 00:34:05,180 --> 00:34:08,620 S5: sometimes that's just what we, what we need and have 625 00:34:08,620 --> 00:34:11,500 S5: to do, um, to get to where we really want 626 00:34:11,540 --> 00:34:13,500 S5: to go, not just where we want to go in 627 00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:14,140 S5: the moment. 628 00:34:15,140 --> 00:34:18,660 S1: I, I've got the prayer here, strengthen and increase our 629 00:34:18,700 --> 00:34:22,419 S1: admiration for honest dealing and clean thinking and suffer not 630 00:34:22,420 --> 00:34:26,780 S1: our hatred of hypocrisy and pretense ever to diminish, encourage 631 00:34:26,780 --> 00:34:29,420 S1: us in our endeavor to live above the common level 632 00:34:29,420 --> 00:34:33,380 S1: of life. Make us to choose the harder right instead 633 00:34:33,380 --> 00:34:37,140 S1: of the easier wrong, and never to be content with 634 00:34:37,140 --> 00:34:40,500 S1: a half truth when the whole can be one. 635 00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:42,460 S2: Um, that's. 636 00:34:42,739 --> 00:34:45,299 S1: Yeah, that'll, that'll speak. 637 00:34:45,460 --> 00:34:46,140 S2: That'll preach. 638 00:34:46,460 --> 00:34:47,140 S1: To the marrow. 639 00:34:47,180 --> 00:34:51,140 S5: Live above the common level of life. You know we're 640 00:34:51,140 --> 00:34:55,180 S5: supposed to, we're not supposed to be status quo, right? Like, 641 00:34:55,180 --> 00:34:58,460 S5: the line in the song says, the shortest, easiest road 642 00:34:58,780 --> 00:35:00,980 S5: to the status quo is not going to leave you 643 00:35:00,980 --> 00:35:04,500 S5: any peace leaves you no peace at all. So living 644 00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:08,980 S5: above the common level is, uh, not really possible without 645 00:35:08,980 --> 00:35:10,900 S5: the Holy Spirit in you, I don't think. 646 00:35:11,060 --> 00:35:13,660 S1: You just reminded me of a song I remember from 647 00:35:13,700 --> 00:35:18,580 S1: years ago, uncommon. And it was a duo male female 648 00:35:18,620 --> 00:35:22,020 S1: duo and had that same kind of feel of I 649 00:35:22,020 --> 00:35:25,420 S1: don't want to live just a normal life make me uncommon. 650 00:35:25,620 --> 00:35:27,620 S1: I think it was after a Tony Dungy book that 651 00:35:27,620 --> 00:35:29,260 S1: he wrote about that. But so. 652 00:35:29,460 --> 00:35:29,660 S2: Yeah. 653 00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:33,180 S1: With that question, is there any song in the last 654 00:35:33,180 --> 00:35:36,459 S1: 30 years that you that you think, oh, I wish 655 00:35:36,460 --> 00:35:40,180 S1: we'd have sung. I wish we'd sung that. Is there 656 00:35:40,219 --> 00:35:41,900 S1: one that comes to mind? 657 00:35:42,380 --> 00:35:45,939 S4: Oh, you know, what's funny is she actually wrote it 658 00:35:45,940 --> 00:35:50,540 S4: for us years ago. Yep. And then I don't know 659 00:35:50,540 --> 00:35:52,630 S4: who talked. Somebody encouraged. 660 00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:52,830 S2: Her. 661 00:35:53,469 --> 00:35:56,150 S4: I'm talking about I know my Redeemer lives. 662 00:35:56,190 --> 00:35:57,070 S2: Oh I. 663 00:35:57,230 --> 00:36:01,350 S4: See. Mullins was actually writing that song at. Because she 664 00:36:01,350 --> 00:36:04,430 S4: had heard point of Grace was looking for music and. 665 00:36:04,469 --> 00:36:04,629 S2: I. 666 00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:05,669 S5: Don't remember ever getting. 667 00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:06,310 S2: We didn't. 668 00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:10,950 S4: Get. I think she. After she wrote it, someone encouraged her, hey, 669 00:36:11,150 --> 00:36:12,430 S4: I think you need to hang on. 670 00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:13,630 S2: I'm about to riot. 671 00:36:15,469 --> 00:36:18,069 S4: And you know, I heard it the other day on 672 00:36:18,070 --> 00:36:21,110 S4: something and I was like, oh, that song. And just 673 00:36:21,110 --> 00:36:25,390 S4: her delivery on that song was just. I mean, you know, 674 00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:30,630 S4: you're talking about, um, you know, people who go, well, Lord, 675 00:36:30,830 --> 00:36:33,390 S4: you know, you're, you're not answering the questions for me. 676 00:36:33,390 --> 00:36:37,310 S4: And I think about Jobe and, and where she wrote 677 00:36:37,310 --> 00:36:42,750 S4: that from and how Jobe life was horrible. And he 678 00:36:42,750 --> 00:36:44,750 S4: begins to kind of question all these things. And the 679 00:36:44,750 --> 00:36:48,069 S4: Lord is like, who wrote this? You know, who put 680 00:36:48,070 --> 00:36:51,160 S4: the stars in the sky? Who who did all this 681 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,840 S4: and and, and then he recognizes and says, I know 682 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,680 S4: my Redeemer lives. Love the song. 683 00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:58,760 S2: Yeah. Yep. 684 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,759 S1: Any other one that you think, oh, not that it 685 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,400 S1: necessarily got away, but it's like, oh, if Rich Mullins 686 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:06,840 S1: would give me that, you know? 687 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,680 S2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I. 688 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,480 S3: Love Michael W Smith like, you know, love, love, love 689 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,120 S3: and Agnus De. That would have been a nice one 690 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:15,920 S3: to have pinned. 691 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,160 S2: Yes. Mhm. Wouldn't it. 692 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,320 S5: Though. And then we did pass on the song. Um, 693 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,880 S5: held by Natalie Grant. Yeah. I was like, oh, I 694 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,640 S5: don't know, it's a little too flowery. I don't know. 695 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,239 S5: And then I was like, oh, oops. 696 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:30,799 S2: Whoops whoops. 697 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,080 S5: Whoops. 698 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,680 S1: But but you can, you can rejoice in that. Those 699 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:42,240 S1: songs did something that, you know, in somebody else's life, 700 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,880 S1: you know, through somebody else's voice. 701 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,680 S2: Absolutely do. God knew. 702 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,279 S5: God knew that Natalie needed to sing that song and 703 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:49,640 S5: it's fantastic. 704 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,560 S1: And she did. And she. 705 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:52,120 S2: Sang it. 706 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,200 S1: Really well. 707 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:53,680 S2: Flat out. 708 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,680 S1: What were you afraid of when you were 30? 709 00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,120 S5: MM mm. 710 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,160 S6: What was I afraid of when I was 30? 711 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:03,680 S5: Turning 30. 712 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,280 S2: Well, I mean. 713 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,680 S3: I remember it being 30 and I hadn't had kids. 714 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:10,680 S2: Yeah. I. 715 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,759 S4: I remember I had had a child and we were 716 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:21,040 S4: on the road at our probably our busiest, quote, worldly 717 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,640 S4: successful time of traveling. 718 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:24,400 S3: Gone, gone, gone. 719 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,600 S4: And I was just, I was worried about everything. I 720 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,000 S4: was worried about raising a kid on the road. I 721 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,480 S4: was worried about bothering the other girls that didn't have kids, 722 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:38,400 S4: you know, causing commotion. If I said no to anything, 723 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,400 S4: you know, just all of that stuff. 724 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:42,960 S2: Carrying other people's burdens. 725 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:51,290 S5: And I was afraid of her kids. Not really, not really. 726 00:38:51,330 --> 00:38:53,529 S1: You three are a riot. I just you got to 727 00:38:53,530 --> 00:38:55,770 S1: come back here every week. It's. It's just like, one 728 00:38:55,770 --> 00:38:58,770 S1: thing after another. And and there's a song on this 729 00:38:58,770 --> 00:39:01,890 S1: album called Lunch Box Notes that comes from the heart 730 00:39:01,890 --> 00:39:03,810 S1: of a mom. We're gonna do a whole program just 731 00:39:03,850 --> 00:39:08,330 S1: on that song. Yeah. In the future. So, uh, the 732 00:39:08,330 --> 00:39:10,609 S1: the latch string is on your side. You come back 733 00:39:10,610 --> 00:39:16,090 S1: anytime you want to. And thank you for sharing your 734 00:39:16,090 --> 00:39:19,370 S1: hearts with us as well as the music and keep 735 00:39:19,370 --> 00:39:21,250 S1: doing what you're doing friends. Okay. 736 00:39:21,530 --> 00:39:23,810 S2: And thank you as well. Chris. You as well. 737 00:39:24,850 --> 00:39:29,730 S1: Point of Grace. Lady Wisdom is the new album. Shelli, Denise, 738 00:39:29,730 --> 00:39:31,810 S1: and Lee have spent a little bit of time with 739 00:39:31,810 --> 00:39:34,850 S1: us here at the Radio Backyard Fence. I hope you 740 00:39:34,850 --> 00:39:37,770 S1: feel like I do that. We've just kind of dropped 741 00:39:37,770 --> 00:39:42,730 S1: in on a conversation among friends and a conversation among 742 00:39:42,730 --> 00:39:46,930 S1: people who have seen God at work in their own lives, 743 00:39:46,969 --> 00:39:50,770 S1: not in their perfect lives, but in their imperfect lives, 744 00:39:50,969 --> 00:39:52,969 S1: where he has come around and knocked on the door 745 00:39:53,010 --> 00:39:55,529 S1: of their heart and led them to some good place. 746 00:39:55,650 --> 00:39:58,890 S1: That's what the lady wisdom metaphor is all about. To 747 00:39:58,930 --> 00:40:03,049 S1: reach out, to bring you to a place of of 748 00:40:03,050 --> 00:40:08,969 S1: wholeness and of compassion. And if you want to find 749 00:40:08,969 --> 00:40:11,049 S1: out more about that new album, just go to Chris 750 00:40:11,090 --> 00:40:16,890 S1: Fabry live.org. It's titled Lady Wisdom. Point of Grace has 751 00:40:16,890 --> 00:40:19,649 S1: been with us today at the Radio Backyard Fence. You 752 00:40:19,690 --> 00:40:23,170 S1: come on back tomorrow for another conversation that I guarantee 753 00:40:23,210 --> 00:40:26,290 S1: you will be. From the heart to the heart and 754 00:40:26,290 --> 00:40:29,690 S1: for the heart. We call it Chris Fabry Live. We are. 755 00:40:29,690 --> 00:40:33,650 S1: Production of Moody Radio, a Ministry of Moody Bible Institute. 756 00:40:33,770 --> 00:40:35,009 S1: Thanks a lot for listening.